Crime in Sports - #377 - Feeling Pretty Good - Bernard Gilkey & A "Pacman" Jones Arrest Update!!

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

This week, we check out a man who turned his back on basketball, and made it all the way to Major League Baseball. He seemed to have a charmed existence, until he suddenly stopped being able ...to hit a baseball, and seemingly couldn't get behind the wheel of a car without ending up in handcuffs. He also got one of the craziest deferred contracts of all time!! Plus, an Adam "Pacman" Jones arrest update!! Choose your passion over a college scholarship, seem to be on the road to being an all time great, then deny your problems, while continuously having problems with Bernard Gilkey!! Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:29 My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Lissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another fun, crazy, wild edition of Crime and Sports. We have a fun one today. We have a baseball player. We'll go back to baseball. And this is someone I've actually met, and I've actually witnessed the things that he's been in trouble for i watched them happening before my eyes and it was like oh this is sad so we'll talk about that and we have an adam pac-man jones update for the end of the show as well we have a pac-man update because he did get arrested about a month ago and uh wow was wow, it's just ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:02:06 Adam. He's Pac-Man. A Pac-Man going to be Pac-Man. And a Pac-Man will never change. We'll just say that. I'll be honest. Every time I go through the Atlanta airport. Pac-Man going to eat.
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Starting point is 00:05:31 If you haven't checked it out yet, it's out right now, and it is fucking great. We're not going to lie. It's fire. Get in there and get that shit. So do it up. We got that. So that said, let's talk about it. Our guy of the week here.
Starting point is 00:05:43 I didn't know his first name was this, I got to tell you. What? We're going to talk about Otis Bernard Gilkey. Bernard Gilkey's first name is Otis? Otis, yes. I didn't know that either. Did you? Wow.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Is he named after the family dog? No, I'm pretty sure he's a junior. His dad's name is Otis Gilkey. He is. So unless the middle names are different, it seems like he's a junior. So that would make sense to call him Bernard to differentiate in the house. You know what I mean? That's what happens.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Like when you get a mom that has two people, they will. A lot of guys, too, when you're named Bernard, they go by like Bernie or Bernie. I mean, they change it up a little bit. Something like that. Bernard. He's stuck with Bernard the whole time. Bernard Gilkey. His friends probably call him something different.
Starting point is 00:06:26 You'll get that a lot, too, where people's professional names are different than their whatever. On the team, they probably just called him B. Yeah. Yeah. B. Gilk. Yeah. B.G.
Starting point is 00:06:36 What's up, B. Gilk? Yeah. So he's born September 24th, 1966. He is from St. Louis originally here. Is he? He's a St. Louis guy, absolutely. How about that? Mother's name, Mary Gilkey.
Starting point is 00:06:49 And father, like I said, Otis. He's got an older brother named Steve. He's got a sister named Deborah. So, you know, he's got a family here, grows up with them. Mary Gilkey here, remembered regularly taking her three children to um to the arch which is i guess the st louis arch yeah uh they she said it was the kids loved it they couldn't wait to get there i don't know for you maybe it seems like it would be boring for a kid after the first time you'd be like i saw the city ma it's st louis it's still not that impressive i'm moving on just because
Starting point is 00:07:20 it's got the elevator and you can go up and view? Is that it? Maybe. She said that Bernard was not into it. Yeah. He was the youngest. He was the youngest and wasn't into it. She said that he told her, quote, this isn't where I want to be. Oh, is that right? Coming from a kid. I don't want to be here right now.
Starting point is 00:07:39 It's pretty fucking funny. And she said, where do you want to be? And he said, I want to be at Bush Stadium. Really? I want to be at the ballpark is where I want to be, which, shit, as a kid, if you said, do you want to go to the St. Louis Arch or the ballpark, I would have picked the ballpark, too. Fuck yeah. Fucking day of the week, yeah. He was super into baseball.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Lou Brock was his favorite player. Is that right? Lou Brock was a beast before Ricky Henderson. He was the all-time stolen base leader and a really great player all around. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So they said also Bernard was great at basketball, though.
Starting point is 00:08:11 That was his sport. Okay. They said he was a great shooter. He's a great ball handler and everything like that. And everybody said in the town or around in St. Louis, all the school and everything, they were thinking that he was going to be a basketball star they never even thought about really baseball but he liked baseball he said i want to be an outfielder and i want to play at bush stadium that's this motherfucker is clairvoyant too he's got a goal and he sets it and he's in uh mary said i didn't tell him he couldn't
Starting point is 00:08:43 i just kind of thought it would be fun to watch him do it so yeah if he wants to be a baseball player let him be a baseball player so he uh he liked to he shared a room with his older brother growing up yeah so that's um that's there's people who share rooms and people who don't and that's a sharing a room growing up is a totally different lifestyle than if you had your own room. Yeah. If you have your own room. I mean, jerking off in the shadows is a completely different thing.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Trying to make bed bugs. I hope you're not trying to make bunk beds. Not shake. It's not easy. That's got to be hard. So they said they like to clean the room by themselves all the time. So she said and their mother would be like before she could tell him to clean the room, they'd clean the room by themselves all the time. So she said, and their mother would be like, before she could tell them to clean their room,
Starting point is 00:09:28 they'd cleaned the room already. So mom, rather than being like, oh, my boys are good, she was like, what the fuck are they up to? Which is a good mother. A good mother knows that when their kids are doing something too good and they're up to something. You know what I mean? Mary's smart, I think.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Where's the broken lamp? Hold on a minute here yeah she said she decided to investigate one day and noticed some large lumps in the mattress oh she said there was like lumps in the bed yeah like you know whatever so she lifted the mattress up underneath it because it like wasn't under the covers it was like the lifting the mattress and it was a stash of bats baseballs gloves and fucking uh baseball hats just baseball gear he had baseball gear that he slept on top of so keep mom from finding it not only that just i guess to osmosis just like get this baseball to get better yeah keep his hat under there it's weird um strange bernard's father otis said three days a week every week me and bernard and steve
Starting point is 00:10:26 would go out uh to work out at the park i'd stand there batting out some balls to them for hours to tell the truth i thought steve would be the one to make it to pro ball if either of them would he was born with that talent bernard he really had to work at it bernard yeah so he wasn't even the most talented one in his family at baseball. Fuck on the field, even in his family, under his own roof. That's tough. He had to really work at it, I guess. So basketball, though, like we said, everybody around, there's tons of pickup games in their neighborhood all the time, and basketball is kind of the sport of the area.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And he said that he was playing, they said he's playing basketball all the time. He graduated high school in 1984. And they got him at a university or at a city here. What is this? University City? What is that? U City. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Is that his college here? I don't know. But Coach Ed Crenshaw said he was the school's best guard since hassan houston and oh that's his high school and local coaches said he was the best outside shooter in the area oh yeah they said we didn't have the three-point line back then this is the coach but he was shooting three-pointers 20 feet was no problem for bernie there you go bernie before before three- point shots that's how long ago it was he's jacking threes because even in the nba they didn't have three pointers till the early
Starting point is 00:11:50 80s is that right yeah they got it from the aba and when they merged that was one of the things boring ass game if every shot's two points yeah it was stretch it out a little bit well that was all the it's weird because you can either that was everybody clogging the middle because why bother shooting from further if it's there but then when they put the three-point line in it's it stretched nice yeah to where there was a lot of open space in the middle for mid-range jumpers and now they've just taken that completely away and why would you shoot a mid just dunk it or fucking shoot a three-pointer and now we're at this stage so you're already out there may as well just go a couple feet further now we need to take three pointers away for five years and then put them back.
Starting point is 00:12:27 And it'll fucking, every five years we have to keep doing that. Or make the half-point line five points. I guess. Half-court. I don't want any of that bullshit. I don't want people shooting from half-court. They already are. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:12:39 It's fucking stupid. It's ridiculous. It's so dumb. That's asinine. And that's a coach's fault also. Yeah. That's, you know, if you fucking let a, if a guy shoots from half court and you don't immediately call timeout and yank him out of the fucking game, you're not worth a pile
Starting point is 00:12:53 of shit. I'm sorry. You're not. Unless it's Steph Curry. And he drills him. That's what I mean. Drills him. Unless it's him.
Starting point is 00:12:59 What are you doing? Stop shooting from half court. I've never seen that before. It's so dumb. You know what the percent, because because this is it's all based the three-pointer is all based on analytics so right if we're doing that do you know what the analytics are in a half court shot terrible fucking pass it inside you asshole fucking stupid so um anyway yeah gilkey started three seasons for the uh basketball team there they
Starting point is 00:13:23 had a 66 and 12 record with him in the lineup wow he averaged at least 13 and a half points each of the three seasons he had 21 points a game in a senior season 83 84 in high school in in high school they played 80 fucking games over three years oh okay yeah that's over three years i was was like, Jesus Christ, man. When do they learn anything? It's like 25 games a year. Wow. Jeez, that sounds like a full schedule. Holy fuck. So Missouri and St. Louis University both recruited Gilkey, but he already promised to attend Drake.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Oh, is that right? Yeah, he committed to Drake. In baseball, he had a good year as well. He had a.389 average in his senior year. Jesus. Four homers, 14 RBIs, seven stolen bases, and he also pitched and struck out 26 batters in 20 innings. Shit. So he seems just really good there.
Starting point is 00:14:18 But he, basketball, they kept trying to pull him into basketball, but he kept thinking about baseball. He wanted to do it. So he ended up wanting to play baseball. And there's a guy who was a sponsor and manager of a senior men's team, meaning like an adult men's team in St. Louis County. And they usually wouldn't take kids on their team. But they heard that Gilkey had a falling out with an American Legion manager and he needed somewhere to play. So they got Gilkey on the team, but they heard that Gilkey had a falling out with an American Legion manager and he needed somewhere to play. So they got Gilkey on the team. And this coach said he was such a likable kid. He was the youngest guy ever to play for me. You know, most of the guys on the team are
Starting point is 00:14:55 at least 24 or so. They've got jobs, wives, families, and a lot of baseball experience. A lot were college stars and some played pro ball. Yeah. But Bernie, he fit right in. He steps on the field, a 17 year old kid in a senior men's league and hits over 400 that summer. You could see that he was a diamond in the rough. And somehow this is luck is shit because this is a senior men's team. This isn't like a college team where people are scouts watching or anything, but this is where people start. This team where people are scouts watching or anything but right this is where people start this where people end this is where people end and play for fun right you know what i mean they play for a good time they're not playing to go to any level or
Starting point is 00:15:33 anything like that but apparently there was a cardinal scout named tom mccormick who saw him play oh and they said he watched gilkey all summer and then at the end of August, they signed him as a free agent. What? The St. Louis Cardinals signed him as a free agent at the end of August. Out of no college. Out of Senior Men's League. Literally. Out of the Elks Lodge League.
Starting point is 00:15:59 What the fuck? The scout watched him all summer and said, I like this kid and signed him. That was that. Unbelievable. So, I mean, that's a very rare way to get signed up. The only other guy I've heard that did that was Sparky Lyle. It was the same way. And Tone Ash, right?
Starting point is 00:16:14 And who? And Tone Ash, too, right? And Tone Ash. Yeah, yeah, Tone Ash. But didn't he play? I can't remember exactly. Did he play college? I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:16:20 I don't remember. But I remember Sparky. They found him in like a cornfield. Yeah, Sparky Lyle was playing like some just league ball. He was playing for some dairy or something like he was Gina Davis in fucking League of Their Own. Yeah, and that's how he got. I guess he struck out 20 batters one day and it was in the newspaper. And somebody saw a newspaper clipping.
Starting point is 00:16:40 It was like, yeah, some kid's striking out 20 guys. I'll go take a look at him while I'm passing by that town. And it turns out he got lucky. How about it? It's very strange here. So he said, though, Bernard said, everyone thought I was going to play basketball and go to school. I even thought so. But something inside me told me I should concentrate on baseball.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Thank fuck for that, man, because it is the 80s. It's about to blow up for those stories yeah and those stories don't exist that no scout popped by the senior league that doesn't happen the men's league game wow no that doesn't happen now at all now there's there these kids are scouted from the time they're eight and anybody else they don't care is there something clairvoyantly special about this son of a bitch he's a lucky bastard and he how the hell the timing on this guy until up until grace this guy has remarkable timing everything works out perfect right place right time yeah hits well right when
Starting point is 00:17:39 contracts are a certain way he gets it it's. He just grooves everything perfectly and then life just takes all of the last dozen years of good things that have happened to him and just puts it in his face like a pie. Like a fucking Three Stooges pie to the face and says fuck you. Just shakes him off. Yep. Here you go. Lemon meringue
Starting point is 00:18:00 all in your beard, asshole. Take that. So yeah, Mary and Otis didn't want him to go play baseball. They wanted him to go to college. They were like, you got a fucking scholarship to college, dude. What are you, crazy? What are you doing? Otis said he was shocked when Bernard
Starting point is 00:18:16 decided that he was going to drop his scholarship to Drake and play baseball instead. Wow. Shocked. Bernard said, this is what Otis says, quote, Bernard said, this is what Otis says, Bernard said, this is what I want to do. And that's fair.
Starting point is 00:18:31 That's fair. He's 18. He wants to do this is what the career he wants. You have to be passionate about sports. You can't be like, but you're good at basketball. All right, I'll play. If you're not passionate about basketball, you're going to wash out. You're not going to be able to beat guys who are at the level at your same athletic level your same skill level but also have passion you're not gonna beat those guys the worst player in the nba is incredibly passionate
Starting point is 00:18:54 about basketball yeah he has to be and if he's not he's gonna beat you he's playing well below his potential if he's not you know what i mean that's what happens so mary though um she said the thing is any of the anything that my children do i've always supported them by telling them that they can do it in fact i usually say that's good but do it better he had his mind set on baseball and also he said then this is bernard and this makes perfect sense his argument was i'm six feet fucking tall 170 pounds yeah great great point excellent point for me to be in the nba i mean you can be a nice college player and get an education but to go to a to be a pro guy at that height you got to be something you got to be the fastest i gotta be joe dumars you gotta be isaiah you gotta be alan iverson you gotta be someone of
Starting point is 00:19:43 that kind of skill level right which i don't know if he is or not. He even said, quote, if I was 6'5 or even 6'3, I'd have been into basketball and never looked at anything else. But it's tougher if you're six feet. So he said, I would have been recruited by a lot more schools also, he said, if it wasn't for his height. He said, but I thought about wanting to be a pro athlete, and it's tough at six feet to make it in basketball. No kidding.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I agree. He was thinking about pro sports. His parents were thinking about college was the difference. That was the difference. So anyway, in baseball, though, he doesn't do very well in the beginning. In his first three seasons in the Cardinals system, he has a cumulative average of 223 in the first three seasons, which happens a lot to baseball. Baseball takes a long time for guys, for the most part, to get into the groove. I go to season tickets to the Hudson Valley Renegades and I go to a lot of these games.
Starting point is 00:20:37 It's a high single A. And you see guys who, you know, who are hitting low here, but you know that they're trying to work it out and they can't hit certain things. And now I'll see them in the majors and I'll be like, oh, three years ago he couldn't hit a curveball. So that's pretty cool. So you see guys, it takes them a while sometimes. Baseball, some guys don't get it until they're 24 and some guys are Ken Griffey Jr. when you're 19. You're cranking shit. You never know.
Starting point is 00:21:02 And he also has the other part of he hasn't faced anything no he's faced fucking high school and and senior league he doesn't know what a baseball looks like coming from no a dude with talent and in the minors those guys they all throw fucking heat that's the thing and there's a ton of guys i see every guy that comes into these to pitch in these single a games throws 95 96 97 miles an hour and they all throw heat they all have very accurate i mean pretty well accurate but that's that's it's going in the general vicinity of where they want to put the ball that's why they sign them and then from there you see if they can then work on other pitches and figure out how to be a pitcher if not if all they can
Starting point is 00:21:38 ever do is throw 95 then they wash out you know that's that's how it goes. In the third season, he had a broken thumb and had a terrible Class A year here with a broken thumb. He hit.228. He was terrible. Things weren't good. Gilkey said, quote, growing up playing basketball, that's a very competitive sport.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Going one-on-one, that's like a challenge. I try to take that into baseball, make every make every bat a personal at bat a personal challenge with the pitcher which is not how you approach baseball really no no no no he said finally i got real fed up with not doing well i put my mind on uh as being as good as i can be i was playing for manager mark dejean in Springfield that year, and he really rode me hard. Oh, that's terrible. Okay. That's rough.
Starting point is 00:22:28 He was on me from morning until night. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. I was too sore to play basketball or baseball or anything after that. It was terrible. He's getting you morning till night and letting you rest, at least. That's nice. Up until night.
Starting point is 00:22:40 It gets worse. Pushing me to do things I just hadn't been able to do. Oh, no. Is this in his memoir? I couldn't get the leg of that table up my ass yesterday, but today I can. Thanks, coach. I've never been able to get my legs over my head. This is great.
Starting point is 00:22:57 This is terrific. Much easier this way. Man, he was tough. That was an inspiration to make me do better, though. So he was tough. That was an inspiration to make me do better, though. So he does that. He finishes that season with a.244 average, six homers, 36 RBIs, and leads the team in walks. He led all Cardinals minor leaguers with 54 stolen bases that year as well. Really?
Starting point is 00:23:18 So he's fast. Yeah, he's fast. He gets a promotion to AA, hits.278 there. Has a league-leading 53 stolen bases. He's doing great. Leads the outfielders in assists. He's kicking a lot of ass. And Otis said, his dad, whenever he puts his mind to, he seems to make happen. So, yeah, that's what he's doing. His sister and brother ended up being,
Starting point is 00:23:45 you know, leading regular lives. His sister, I believe is a teacher and his brother is a factory worker. Okay. At the time. So dad worked at the, back in the day in the Allen foods warehouse,
Starting point is 00:23:59 Mary worked at engineered air systems. Yeah. So Mary said, we're just working people. No better and no worse than a baseball player. And Bernard is the same outstanding person he's always been. Okay. They love old Bernard here.
Starting point is 00:24:13 That's nice. So, yeah, it's tough, man. Miners are tough, dude. That's a different. I can't imagine. That's a different fucking, different. What did you ask a minute ago, too? You were surprised at something.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Oh, was that in his memoir? Where did you read that? In the newspaper. The newspaper article about him. They quoted him saying, he rides me like this. He rides me like this. Wow. In the newspaper.
Starting point is 00:24:35 And this is a positive article. This isn't like we're telling you why he got taken away in cuffs or anything. Unbelievable. This is why he's good. I can't believe he said those words to somebody and they put it in black and white he rides me hard day till night man at least i can do things i never thought i'd be able to do i always thought jizz would be disgusting tasting but i mean now i can gargle that's all right so he uh in 89, like I said, led the league with 53 stolen bases in AA.
Starting point is 00:25:07 1990 leads the league while playing in AAA with 75 walks and makes it to the MLB team in 1990. He is called up. Wow. 1990 Cardinals, not a good team. 70 and 92. So, you know, Whitey Herzog still managing and then he's gonna smith is there yeah he's gonna get yeah yeah um whitey's gonna get fired this year and joe tory will eventually
Starting point is 00:25:32 replace him as a cardinals manager absolutely so this team todd bernanski on this team i forgot about him jesus pedro guerrero yes yeah too to commit crime. We have to do an episode on him because that's the best excuse ever. I couldn't have had a drug empire or whatever, bad checks or whatever it was. I'm too dumb to do that. He said he has trouble tying his shoes. So how could he? Literally, that's what he said in court. Trouble tying his shoes.
Starting point is 00:26:00 He was arrested for it, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Lee Smith, Ozzie Smith, both the Smith guys on this team here. double-tying his shoes he was arrested for it though oh yeah yeah um definitely uh lee smith ozzy smith both the smith guys on this team here we got tom pagnazzi oh shit willie mcgee on this team so still a lot of those 80 80s cardinals left over here yeah todd zeal there's a newer guy i was gonna say is todd zeal got there absolutely so you know good team for not too shabby so um 19 but they don't do well on the field they're terrible good names they used to be good so 1990 august 15th of 1990
Starting point is 00:26:32 uh here when he comes up they said he still lives at home in the off season with his parents bernard said his mom likes says she likes making life easy for him. Quote, he wakes up to breakfast, goes and works out and comes back and dinner is ready and his clothes are washed for him. Wow. He's got it made. 24 year old man. He's got it made. But I love doing it for him. Yeah, this is like he's a fucking Major League Baseball player.
Starting point is 00:27:01 He stands alongside Todd Zeal and Guerrero as equals yeah hangs out with fucking ozzy smith so my mom my mom's ironing my my uniform mom's at home iron yeah i'll go out with you guys tonight i'm gonna stop home my mom should be ironing my shit right now so it should be ready for me when i get there so i'll change and i'll meet you guys uh they said they have a lot of pride in him. Mary said, every time I pass Bush Stadium, I say a little prayer now. I hope I see him there so he can be close with me looking after him. All right.
Starting point is 00:27:34 So 1990, that year, he only plays in 18 games. He's a September call-up. So they just come up at the end of the season. Hits.297, though. Not bad. And has more walks than strikeouts. Not bad. Not bad..484 slugging five doubles two triples a homer he's doing well not bad at all yeah they like the looks of him here the cut
Starting point is 00:27:53 of his jib is what they like you bet um yeah 1990 there he makes a hundred thousand dollars that year fantastic yeah that's enough to have someone else do your fucking laundry. Maybe take it somewhere. It's enough to have your own place, you fucking weirdo. There you go. 1991, he becomes the first Cardinal, I believe, since 1945 to start opening day in left field. The first rookie Cardinal. Is that right? To start in left field on opening day since 1945.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Yeah. So they think a lot of him yeah is what that says five years yeah and this day night or this year 1991 under joe tory they go 84 and 78 better good better not bad second in the nl east so not too shabby at all um and it's pretty much the same team uh yeah you know not too many different guys on here joe tory's words of of uh affirmation and fucking helping him out yeah and a couple other guys thrown in there but still that's about all it is it's not much more than that this year he plays an 81 game so exactly half the games. He has 268 at-bats. Only hits 216 here, though. 216, 313 slugging. Not the best here, we'll say. He has 14 stolen bases, though.
Starting point is 00:29:14 They like that. More walks than strikeouts still, which is good. 20 RBI, five homers, two triples, seven doubles. He's young. They had him play the whole year and take his lumps, which some teams will do that. The Yankees did that this year with the shortstop they called up. They were like, well, you're going to hit 225 this year and you're going to either get through it or you'll be gone. So feel it or open a vein. That's it. Taylor Swift is
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Starting point is 00:31:20 Only on Freebie. 1992, 83 and 79 with Torrey. So they seem to be mediocre at this point. The best way. Third in the NL East. And, you know, not the best here. And it's, again, not a lot of changes on this damn team. Really?
Starting point is 00:31:40 Really not a lot of changes. All the big salary guys are kind of older guys. Ozzie Smith, Lee Smith, you know, guys like that. Milt Thompson. How the hell is Milt Thompson making $1.6 million? Jesus Christ. That seems excessive. Jose Akendo, $2 million.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Pedro Guerrero with a big old salary, not producing as well as he used to. Jose DeLeon has a $2 a half million dollar contract i don't know who that is i remember him but i don't remember him being that good to warrant that kind of contract jesus a million dollars so this year he plays in 131 games and she has a much better year 38 384 at bats he hits 302 this year so shit from 216 to 302 is a pretty good come up. 792 OPS. I mean, he's doing pretty damn well. He has 18 steals, 43 ribbies, 7 homers, 4 triples, 19 doubles.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Good year. Makes $135,000. There you go. So he's still making that low entry wage for baseball there. Better than what he made last year. Christ for baseball they're better than better than what he made last oh christ yeah much better than working at a factory too you know for 1992 1993 the cardinals are 87 and 75 another mediocre season yeah they did this for quite some time yep they finished third that year again and roster same shit they got ozzy uh ozzy conseco this year
Starting point is 00:33:01 and roster, same shit. They got Ozzie Canseco this year. What? Yeah, Greg Jeffries came on the team. Still Lee Smith and Ozzie Smith and those guys, Bob Tewksbury and all that crew. 1993 for Bernard. He plays in 137 games, which is a lot.
Starting point is 00:33:21 557 at-bats. Hits.305 this year. Not bad. Even better than last year. 851 Not bad. Even better than last year. 851 OPS, even better than last year. He's got 16 homers, showing a little more power. Yeah. Five triples, 40 doubles, 15 steals. He got caught stealing 10 times, though, so he should stop stealing.
Starting point is 00:33:37 You don't want to. That's a bad ratio. Out of five, you only get three of them? That's not good. That's not a good ratio at all. So, 1993, though, he makes $200,000 for Bernard. Look at you, Bernard. Fucking kicking some ass here.
Starting point is 00:33:54 1994, 53-61-1, I think. How the hell do they have a tie? It must have been one of those. Oh, you know what? It was probably tied, called to rain and then never played again because 94 was a strike short in season so they never they never picked it up so that's how that works okay uh under tory again third in the ml this is why tory ended up managing the yankees in a couple years because he was very mediocre in st louis extremely extremely
Starting point is 00:34:23 mediocre here oh they got r Sutcliffe this year. Interesting. Because they got rid of Lee Smith. So this year he plays in 105 games, Bernard does. Hits.253. I think he had an injury this year, too. .253 with six home runs. So not that great of a year.
Starting point is 00:34:42 But a great year at the bank, though. Yeah. Now that he's done with his rookie contract, he makes $1,635,000 for that year. He's getting paid. And that's a strike-shortened year, too. So he's a free agent at the end of this year. Yeah. And then April 8, 1995, he is signed again by the Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:35:06 So they re-sign him. They re-sign him this year, Jesus Joe Torre no wonder why the next year he was coaching the Yankees, they were 62-81 Jesus God how did the Yankees hire him? I don't know why they would he was 20-27 when they fired him and then the Yankees picked him right up
Starting point is 00:35:23 from there and they won the World Series that year. Who the fuck would have thought that would happen? That is very weird. So anyway, there you go. They had Terry Bradshaw was on the team this year. That's nice to have. They did. They had a guy named Terry Bradshaw who was 26 at the time,
Starting point is 00:35:37 6 foot 180 pounds and not very good baseball player. Probably about the same productivity terry would have given him yeah by by 1990 fucking three probably yeah 1995 i don't think terry had much left in the tank so uh this year 121 games played for bernard hits 298 again okay at 848 ops which is almost his highest he's ever had 17 homers 33 doubles four doubles, four triples. Now we're talking. Yeah. That's the kind of production you need out of a corner outfielder. Makes $1,625,000 this year, too. This is great.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Not bad. Now, in 1996, though, in the offseason, January, he's kicking it at home, asking mom if his laundry's done yet. Yeah. Well, he stacks millions in his bank account. Mom, where's my meatloaf and clean underwear? And he's just chilling
Starting point is 00:36:34 and on January 22, 1996, the Cardinals trade him. Yeah, they trade him to the Mets. Yeah, for Judith Osorio, a minor leaguer, Eric Hiljus and Eric Ludwig.
Starting point is 00:36:50 So we need two guys named Eric that spell their names different ways. That's what we'd like in exchange for Bernard Gilkey. We have another Eric. We got another Eric. Is it a C or a K? A C? Okay, we're looking for a C. Okay, bring him in. So 96 Mets, they suck under Dallas Green,
Starting point is 00:37:06 who sucked as a manager for the Yankees earlier. And Bobby Valentine comes in when he gets fired. He'll coach them for the next few years and take them to the World Series and also be a huge embarrassment. So little column A, little column B. The fast history of him. That's the quick history of Bobby Valentine.s the quick history of bobby valentine little column a little column b moving on so there's 71 and 91 here on the 96 mets and um
Starting point is 00:37:34 this is another fucking shit heap of a contract mess they have they're paying pete harnish almost four million dollars oh my god oh yeah. John Franco is worth it. They're paying him $2.6 million. Who else do they have that's expensive? They seem to have a lot of expensive guys. Oh, who is this? Jose Vizcaíno making $2.2 million. That was a lot back then, too.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Yeah. That feels like that's adjusted for market value and how far your dollar goes in New York. You got to pay him a shitload for them to get a fucking apartment and jeff kent is on the team here really before he went to the to the giants and became a major contributor there yeah he's on the team making almost two million dollars lance johnson's making 2.7 he's a good catcher he's an all-star that year but uh this year he's pretty gilkey's pretty goddamn nasty i guess here um yeah he's really nasty here uh he gilkey leads the league with 18 outfield assists that year oh which is very good he hits 317 this year as well my god which is eighth in the national league he's fourth in the
Starting point is 00:38:40 uh national league and doubles with 44 jesus not bad bad, I would say. That's a Mets single season record at the time. I'm sure it's not anymore. And he finished 14th in the MVP voting that year, Gilkey did. Not bad. So if you're even in the top 20, that's pretty goddamn good. Yeah. 117 RBI, that's production
Starting point is 00:39:00 right there. That's producing, man. Not bad. 955 OPS. All the stats are working out. And this stat's working out, too. $2,787,500 for that year, baby. Almost $3 million. Yep. He had a big good deal with them.
Starting point is 00:39:17 1997. This is all going so well in the beginning of the offseason before he goes to play baseball again. He lands a part in a little tiny movie. A little tiny independent feature that most people haven't seen called Men in Black. What? Yeah. He's in Men in Black. What is he in Men in Black?
Starting point is 00:39:38 He's Bernard Gilkey. Oh. In Men in Black. Oh. The climax takes place. You remember during the whole thing? Yeah. It's at the game. whole thing they're at the
Starting point is 00:39:45 game they're at the game and gilkey is he's standing there and the ball hits him in the head that's him yeah distracted by the spacecraft and it hits him in the fucking head that's what it is yep wow that's how it goes he's the guy who gets in the head so not bad you know what i'm gonna say i didn't recognize that no i forgot all about all about it, too. Oh, yeah, look at that. That was fucking Bernard Gilkey. I think that's pretty safe to say grace on that, right? He's a hardworking kid. His mom does his laundry.
Starting point is 00:40:15 He's making good money. He's all effort. He had to craft himself into a baseball player. He's in Men in Black. He's hitting 300. Plays himself as a baseball player in a Will men in black he's hitting 300 himself as a baseball player yeah in a will smith movie fucking phenomenal yeah he's got three 300 seasons so far in the majors damn life couldn't be going much better for him honestly so 1997 the mets are 88 and 74 they
Starting point is 00:40:39 finished third in the division there and um this is like, oh, yeah, these are, you start to get to those Ray Ordonez, John Allarude. Oh, my God, yeah, McRae, Turk Wendell. Turk Wendell was nuts. I loved him. He was crazy. Oh, this is when they signed Todd Hundley to that huge deal. Todd Hundley made $4.1 million that year. Where did he come from?
Starting point is 00:41:03 The Mets re-signed him, I believe, because he's a catch because he hit some home he's a catcher who hit some home runs and then he signed a deal and then was fucking terrible forever so that's how todd hunley works yeah not good anymore that's sad shit so he's like a matt noakes type of player so 97 he hits 249 bernard does. So it goes down quite a bit there. He has more caught stealing than stolen bases. He has seven steals and 11 caught stealing. That's not good.
Starting point is 00:41:33 18 home runs. Last year he hit 30 home runs. He hit 317 with 30 home runs and 117 RBI. Who's he thinking? Is he Todd Hundley? That's what I mean. What are you, Todd Hundley over here? Instead he hits 249 with 18 home runs, so much different season this year.
Starting point is 00:41:48 But he does make $3.85 million this year, Bernard. Holy shit. Bernard is crushing it. Life is wonderful, I'm telling you. 1998, the Mets go 88-74, which I believe is the exact record they had the year before. Yes, it was, 88-74. Is he going to reprise his role in Men in Black 2? I think that means that he should get a role in Men in Black 2. which I believe is the exact record they had the year before. Yes, it was, 88 and 74. Reprise his role in Men in Black 2?
Starting point is 00:42:09 I think that means that he should get a role in Men in Black 2. Sequel money, babe. Sequel shit, man. So March 4th, 1998, though, before the whole thing starts, the season starts, that's like beginning of spring training, this is an article from the Daily News in New York, and the headline in large letters is Proven Gilkey. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Uh-oh. And it says shifts gears on story after arrest for DUI. Oh, no. Yep. Bernard Gilkey here, who received a vote of confidence from the Mets 10 days ago because of what they considered his good character, became the source of a spring training headache for the club yesterday. It's been going so well. He's the picture of a good guy you want on the team and all this.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Not good here. Oh, no good. He spent a night in a country and a county jail after being charged with drunk driving and needed prodding from the team officials before acknowledging that drink driving after drinking was a mistake. He's like, I don't want to just put a blanket on it. He needed help. Yeah. He's like,
Starting point is 00:43:10 I mean, you know, to say drinking is bad. No, I mean, sometimes, but sometimes you got to get where you got to go. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:43:19 And they're like, no, Bernard, you have to say every time it's a, it's a, it's a fucking mistake. But what if it's like, but what if it's like late at night? There's not a lot of people on the road. no, Bernard. You have to say every time. It's a fucking mistake. But what if it's late at night? There's not a lot of people on the road.
Starting point is 00:43:28 No, Bernard. But what if I really got to get there? That's the thing. Call a cab. No, it's bad. What if my kids have to go to school, though? Then what? They have to get in the car.
Starting point is 00:43:38 What am I supposed to do? Bernard. What are we going to do with you? Please, Bernard. He's released on a 600 bond port st lucie police said gilkey failed three roadside sobriety tests after he was stopped at about 1 30 in the morning that's about having a nice time in florida that's all yeah driving erratically and without taillights that seems like just a night in florida no taillights drunk and driving erratically and without taillights? That seems like just a night in Florida. No taillights, drunk and driving erratically.
Starting point is 00:44:08 Yes, you just described a Tampa driver. Anything else you'd like from us? I think we're good now, right? You don't understand, officer. I'm in Tampa. Same thing, right? Yeah, there's a rooster. There's a rooster on the street, man.
Starting point is 00:44:24 That's okay. That's okay. St. Lucie, I think it's on the other side of the state, man. That's okay. That's okay. Fort St. Lucie, I think it's on the other side of the state, isn't it? I don't know. It's all the same. It's all. It's all the same. We went from one side to the other.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Anything change? Not a lot. Nope. Not really. So, yeah, driving erratically, too. Couldn't even be keeping it cool while he has that taillight. Couldn't even keep it between the lines. Nope. He's swerving even keep it between the lines.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Nope, he's swerving around. Driving on the shoulder. Singing fucking If I Were King of the Forest and shit out the window. What's happening? Singing it's five o'clock somewhere. Holy shit, he's charged with driving under the influence of alcohol. He refused to accept and sign a summons which is then another criminal offense right it doesn't matter he's like i will not say that i did this i know it's bad so shortly after his 10 a.m 10 15 a.m release he met briefly with mets gm steve phillips at their spring training complex
Starting point is 00:45:22 right after he got out of jail idiot Idiot. And was excused from the exhibition game against the Expos. They're still around, barely, in nearby Jupiter. Gilkey returned to the complex late in the afternoon to address reporters and disputed the police account of his arrest. Of course he did. He denied that he was intoxicated
Starting point is 00:45:40 when police stopped him and said he, quote, had two beers at a bar. Yeah. That's it. And he wouldn't say that's why I'm here. That's why the cops are here, man. Then he said this.
Starting point is 00:45:54 This is not what you want to say when you're saying I wasn't drunk. Quote, I felt good. Yeah. Of course you felt good. That shit does. That's what it does. It makes you feel pretty warm and good and also makes you feel like you can do things that you can't do. That's one of the things.
Starting point is 00:46:10 That's why driving is bad when you're drunk because when you're drunk, you feel like I could fight that bigger guy. I can talk to that girl and she'll definitely want to fuck me. Like there's a lot of crazy thoughts you have that you shouldn't have. Real confident. I feel good about myself. That's the idea, man. Like, there's a lot of crazy thoughts you have that you shouldn't have. And I drive fine. Real confident. Feel good about myself. That's the idea, man. He said, I don't feel like I was inflicting any danger to myself or anybody else on the road.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Also, the idea. Also, your judgment's impaired when you're drunk is the other thing. So, you're making the case for them. That's why you think you can fuck her and she looks really hot. And then you wake up and you're like, oh, I shouldn't have fucked her. She's not near as hot as I thought. Or she wasn't as hot and she still didn't want to fuck you. That's the other thing that happens. Because your judgment is trash.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Yeah. And you're like, she didn't want you. And then you saw her later on and you're like, oh, God, thank God she didn't want to fuck me. I don't want her anyway. Yeah. Thank you for having standards. Because I didn't at that time. One of us has to have standards. Also, you just said Jupiter, Florida.
Starting point is 00:47:11 I'll bet you, apart from L.A. and New York being cities of horrible things that happen to celebrities, I'll bet you Jupiter, Florida is right up there. It is. Constantly in the fucking news. But because celebrity athletes live there and then there's spring training down there happens all the time it's just athletes are constantly in trouble there tons of people drinking and then going well i gotta get home somehow i think tiger woods has a dui in jupiter florida if you think he does i think that whole thing
Starting point is 00:47:40 happened down there so i felt this listen to this statement in terms of from the top in terms of I'm not drunk. This is the worst statement you can give. Yeah, I felt good. I didn't feel like I was inflicting any danger to myself or anybody else on the road. I was almost home and he pulled me over. Yeah, I almost made it home. I felt like I was competent enough to make it home. Does he understand what the law is no
Starting point is 00:48:06 he also doesn't know the stats that most car accidents and they're all real close to the house real close to the destination well you you'd think that a guy who's like livelihood and contracts and everything depend on statistics would understand blood alcohol level statistics and how those work and it doesn't matter if you felt like you had a good season if you hit 220 everyone else doesn't think you had a good season so you hit 220 go i felt good i was swinging the bat well a lot of balls just didn't fall in like that's not you can't say that so way too many matter of fact wow i almost had it home was almost home, and he pulled me over. I felt I was competent enough to make it home.
Starting point is 00:48:48 I don't drive when I don't feel fine. I was at a point where I felt fine. What does that tell you? Yeah, that tells me he does this a lot. And also, at a point means he didn't have two beers. He had more beers, waited until he felt fine. He's like, I'm good now. Oh, yeah. And then left, and they were like, still drunk.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Sorry, Bernard. Yeah, because you don't know when you're fine. He's like, I'm good now. Oh, yeah. And then left. And they were like, still drunk. Sorry, Bernard. Yeah, because you don't know when you're fine. No, because you got drunk. And now you're not going to know until you sober up tomorrow. And then when you're less drunk, you feel like, oh, Christ, I could rule the world now because I'm not nearly as drunk as I was. But you're still drunk is the problem. So no good here. so it was a five minute news conference he acknowledged making a mistake and then identified it as quote driving with no
Starting point is 00:49:31 taillights no that's what he said that was his mistake because they pulled him over and for the taillights that's what he he says the infraction that's what he said and he said that shit that we just talked about that that was five minutes. Everybody dispersed. Media went into the media room. He went into the players area. 15 minutes later, he pops up in the media workroom again. Next to the assistant or next to the general manager of the baseball team, Phillips,
Starting point is 00:50:02 and assistant GM Omar Minaya and their publicist jay horowitz he has something to say guys he'd like to revise his comments he said these guys have told me that i have another thought yeah they said that i i must die what i said yeah not great uh no taillights wasn't really what I was going for. How do I get out of this? Shit. I'm in trouble. Fuck me. He then said, yes, I did make a mistake.
Starting point is 00:50:32 And the mistake most definitely was driving after having a couple of beers. I want to clarify that because these guys yelled at me. And they all said, Bernard, what the fuck are you talking about? I forgot to say I didn't mean to drink and drive oh yeah that's what i was going for did i say taillights and by the way i felt fine did i i want to reiterate that i was fine i meant i went i meant miller lights the miller lights when i'm really drunk and i touch my nose it feels numb on the end so when i know how i'm not that drunk anymore when my nose has feeling in it again and i felt my nose, it feels numb on the end. So when I know how I'm not that drunk anymore, well, my nose
Starting point is 00:51:05 has feeling in it again. And I felt my nose so I wasn't that drunk. Trust me. That didn't mean taillights. I meant beers. Phillips, the GM, said that Gilkey faced a possible disciplinary action for breaking the team's 1 a.m. curfew. How about
Starting point is 00:51:23 getting arrested? That would be the thing to do he declined to comment on his behavior and said the incident did not change his opinion of gilkey who is guaranteed 15.8 million dollars over the final three years of his contract holy shit he's gonna get average five million a year yep he is getting paid so um they said that they would this was after they they said that they would not lay earlier two weeks ago. They said they weren't going to pursue a trade for Gary Sheffield. And when they said that, they had cited the leadership Gilkey provided and a desire to maintain team chemistry is what he said. And if they got Sheffield, they might have traded Gilkey.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Now they're like, fuck should have gotten gary shit um philip said i said to bernard and i believe it will not have an effect on the way his teammates or teammates or coaches look at him fuck no they drive home drunk every night too they don't fucking care didn't didn't the manager of the st louis cardinals get pulled over and like tony larusa yes lots of times and scream scream about do you know who i am we'll have an episode about him he is just like wow what a menace he is a captain of a drunken ship boy he just what a fun he's a pirate yeah he should have he should have managed the pirates instead so he said this team faced with adversity always has pulled closer together. From what I've seen so far and heard so far, I believe that will be the case.
Starting point is 00:52:48 Obviously, I wish it didn't happen, but I feel the same way about Bernard and how important he is to the team. Bobby Valentine, the manager, said that it was an apropos time to remind players about the dangers of driving and drinking and suggested the club ought to reconsider its policy of serving beer in its clubhouse. Oh, they're doing what? You shouldn't serve beer in the clubhouse, they're saying. Which the guys drink beer after games. Right. They do.
Starting point is 00:53:15 They have a couple of beers in the clubhouse and then take off. That's always been baseball. Driving that way, huh? Always, yeah. So they said Valentine declined to say whether he thought Gililkey had a problem with alcohol or whether drinking affected his performance as long as he's not drunk in left
Starting point is 00:53:30 field it's probably okay valentine said it's a logical question i'm not smart enough to figure it out but it's a logical question and an obvious inference yeah so the cops here from this police sergeant, Mike Mason, he had offered a different account of what Bernard said here. He said that Gilkey said his only offense was driving with a broken taillight. This officer disagrees and said that Gilkey was way too drunk to drive. Oh, more than two. Gilkey had said, I wasn't feeling feeling impaired he said this about the cop i wasn't feeling impaired he thought i was which there's only one person's opinion that matters in that case that's yeah it says yeah yeah i didn't want to go to jail for murder but the judge had a different opinion
Starting point is 00:54:20 so according to the affidavit he was driving in his white 1998 car westbound along port st lucie road when mason noticed the vehicle from an on from the oncoming lane the officer reported that he turned around and attempted to follow gilkey who was driving about 55 in a 40 which is that's called florida speed limit it's fine yeah he noticed he was doing okay yeah going the other direction well he thought he was going too fast no no no he said he noticed that he was quote half in the turn lane and half in the driving lane that'll that'll get the no that draws a little attention yeah that's gonna be it's gonna be different there half in the middle of the road j Jesus Christ, Bernard.
Starting point is 00:55:05 When the officer flicked his lights on, popped the blue lights there, Gilkey's vehicle, quote, almost came to a stop as it headed toward the raised median. Then swerved away from the median and right across three lanes to come to a stop. Yeah, as he looked in his rear view. He went, ah, fuck, Jesus Christ. Shit. lanes to come to a stop yeah as he looked in his rear view he went ah fuck jesus christ so the cop reported a strong odor of alcoholic beverage on his breath and he said that gilkey seemed to be confused as i spoke to him as the cop attempted to administer one sobriety test he said guilt gilkey quote swayed from side to side or as he puts it is in a pretty good place right there at a good point.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Feeling pretty good. Feeling good at a good point. I felt good. That's why he felt good. He's swaying. When instructed to touch his nose with his right hand, Gilkey twice touched his mouth. He attempted once with his left hand, striking his mouth as well. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:56:03 I'm better with my left. No, you're not. Let me try with my left seriously he also reported that gilkey failed to walk a straight line as instructed uh gilkey though insisted that he walked a straight line every time i watched that like live pd there's someone doing that and they get done half fallen all over the place they go huh right that was good? I'll be leaving now. Thanks, guys. And they're like, no, no, no. Hands behind your back.
Starting point is 00:56:28 You're shit faced. I wish you could have seen the video. No, that was real bad. Good God. Gilkey said he declined to take a breath test. Why did he decline? Because, quote, he didn't think it would help anything. It's certainly not going to help.
Starting point is 00:56:45 Yeah. He said, I didn't think it would help anything. It's certainly not going to help. Yeah. He said, I didn't think it would help anything. I thought he was going to do his policeman duties. That's what he said. Which is give you a breathalyzer if he thinks you're drunk at 2 o'clock in the morning on the road. Wow. So, obviously, a little different kind of a year for them here. Wow.
Starting point is 00:57:02 For him, anyway, starting out like that. That's not great then uh june 3rd 1998 he's going to plead no contest to the dui charge okay yeah so he um he denied to police that he was too drunk obviously but now he's saying i guess maybe i was here they give him you sir may fuck off a year of probation and 50 hours community service really yeah that's that's not a lot that's very light very light here but i think it's his first offense so yeah we'll go easy on him july 28th 1998 from the daily news the headline is going from left field to left out oh this is when out of nowhere bernard gilkey becomes like this just outcast of major league
Starting point is 00:57:47 baseball well no one wants to put him on the field it's very strange because when the diamondbacks the same thing for one wobbly dui i don't know here's the thomas hill is the writer he says bernard gilkey doesn't really play for the mets anymore he wears their uniform cashes their checks and does as he's told gilkey though rarely makes a significant contribution to the club these days, and his chances to help are disappearing. Shit. A cornerstone of the Mets two years ago, when he signed a four-year, $20.4 million contract. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Gilkey became a puzzle to the Mets last year when his production diminished. His slump deepened even further early this season. In the past few weeks, he has fallen completely out of sight. Disappointing, Bobby Valentine said. I don't have any theories. I hope it gets better. We'll get the most out of him we can. Hopefully, that's two good months.
Starting point is 00:58:40 In other words, he's on borrowed time, it sounds like. Yeah, they said they hope that he'll just turn it around because he had the talent at one point here. Gilkey started only one game on the just-completed seven-game trip to Milwaukee and Chicago, although a migraine cost him at least one other start. He sat on the bench at the start of the Mets' last six games, wow, and seven of their last eight. They said in Valentine's
Starting point is 00:59:07 performance-based system, Gilkey has been left reduced to Todd Hundley's defensive replacement left. Oh, boy. Jesus. I want to play, Gilkey said. I can't do nothing unless I'm in the lineup. True, but he's also been shitty, especially
Starting point is 00:59:23 against right-handed pitching, which they're saying that's not great uh gilkey said it's hard i'm not used to hitting 220 but it's like that right now there's nothing i can do except take it from one at bat to the next i feel pretty good i really do okay don't say that let's just anytime he says i feel pretty good it means he's either drunk or hitting 220 so i guess when he feels bad then it's good so i'm leaning on he's drunk and he's drunk again i think maybe he's i'm feeling good right now oh baseball oh you want to talk about that that's fucking amazing i think this episode's gonna be called feeling pretty good bernard gilkey so uh yeah i feel pretty good i
Starting point is 01:00:06 really do and the mets want him to produce they gave him a bunch of money they'd like him to produce valentine said it looks like he has more than a clue it looks like he's not getting his pitches and when he does he's not when he does he's hacking the mets hitting coach rejects any suggestion that gilkey uh gilkey has lost aggressiveness at the plate after becoming after getting because he got beamed. He got hit on June 12th. And they're saying the people in the media were trying to say he's lost his aggressiveness and he's shy late now because he's scared. This guy said he considers it a lack of continuity as part of his problem. He said Gilkey was on the disabled list with a stress fracture in his right
Starting point is 01:00:45 elbow for three weeks early in the season. And he missed a week after the beating. Most recently, Hunley's return cost him playing time. Robson said, I always thought he'd get real close and something would happen every time. It's like starting over again. You want him to do good so bad.
Starting point is 01:01:01 It's the anticipation of wanting him to do good. That drives you nuts. And Gilkey says quote i just believe in my ability i believe things will turn out well hitters are going to hit i know i'm a good hitter numbers don't tell the whole story of a man whether it be be it batting average or blood alcohol content i believe in the next four years i I'm going to make $20 million. I'm feeling pretty good. I'm feeling okay about that. I'll be honest.
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Starting point is 01:02:34 I'm not going to give up. Nobody's going to make me give up. Okay. This seems like the classic case of needs a change of scenery. You know what I mean? A lot of guys have these problems and they're buried and then they have a change of scenery and they what i mean a lot of guys have these problems and they're buried and then they have a change of scenery and they're revitalized and everything's great yeah so he's traded here july 31st 1998 on the trading deadline traded by the mets with
Starting point is 01:02:56 nelson figueroa and some cash to the diamondbacks for willie blair and jorge fabregas so that's when they got him that's when they got him, huh? That's when they got him. It was mid-1998, which I remember very clearly. This is the Diamondbacks' first year in 1998. They are 65-97. This is their expansion team. Buck Showalter there is the guy. Jesus, this roster, too.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Tony Bautista, who I used to live two doors down from. Really? Third baseman at the time, yeah. I lived right by him. Jay Bell. Wow. Andy Benes. This brings back memories.
Starting point is 01:03:32 These old Diamondbacks. Omar Dahl. Remember him? Dave DeLucci. Paisan. Yeah. Over there. DeLucci there.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Oh, they had Devon White in center. Different guys, I think, because they had, I'm thinking later on of that. What was it, J. Bell? Devon White, Matt Williams. All these guys. Okay, right field. Right field, their main right fielder. That's split all around.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Brent Breed. Yamil Benitez. DeLucci played some games out there. Kareem Garcia. That's right. Kareem Garcia. I remember him. Andy Fox.
Starting point is 01:04:11 Must have been a couple years later. Yeah. I got spit on by one of those guys. What a dick. Well, he hit the fence and I was sitting in those stupid bleachers on the front row and he hit the fence with his face and his cheek just sprayed shit all over us. He probably regrets that as much as you, I would think. I'll bet he does.
Starting point is 01:04:30 His face on a wall. It was just nothing but tobacco yak all over people's chests. Jesus. That's not great. Oh, nice. Bad day. Copenhagen on me. Thanks.
Starting point is 01:04:42 Nice. Now I got to go home with this. Thank you. So, 98. Thank you, right fielder who Iagen on me. Thanks. Nice. Now I got to go home with this. Thank you. So 98. Thank you, right fielder who I won't even be able to remember. I don't even remember your fucking name. You spit on me. I still don't know you.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Yeah, like Barry Bonds lost his chew on you. That would be something. So 98, he plays in a total of 111 games, 365 at-bats, and hits a grand total of 233. Better with the Diamondbacks, though. Raised it to 248 with the Diamondbacks. So they have hope for him. He does make $5,050,000 that year, though. Really?
Starting point is 01:05:14 He's the highest paid player on the team, huh? No, because they had Matt Williams. They had Randy Johnson came then. So they were way higher paid. I'm trying to look here. Yeah, we got Matt Williams, $4.8 million. He didn't make as much. Devon White, $3.15 million. $5 million for J. Bell.
Starting point is 01:05:33 $6,450,000 for Andy Bennis. Really? Yes. Unbelievable. They needed bodies. They were like, he's's our ace even though he's fucking mediocre so um there we go he makes five million fifty thousand dollars 99 arizona they flip it totally around 162 that year is that right yeah yeah they made the playoffs they were first
Starting point is 01:05:58 in the nl west yeah that year is when i that's when i worked at the ballpark or i worked at the uh before i worked for the diamondbacks when i worked at the bar right by there, Jackson's on 3rd. And so I was standing outside for all of these fucking games when they let out. And they had a lot of people coming. They were over 3 million in attendance. They did well that year. Wow. would come in and on days off,
Starting point is 01:06:26 on their days off, he would come into the bar and when there's no games going on down there in the summer. Oh, it is barren. Ghost town. Nobody. Nobody.
Starting point is 01:06:38 The only time you will get people in there is when a baseball game lets out. That's it. Or a Suns game. Or a Suns game. So in the summer though, it's just baseball and it's mid-July in downtown Phoenix when a baseball game lets out. That's it. Or a Suns game. Or a Suns game. So in the summer, though, it's just baseball and it's mid-July in downtown Phoenix on a weekend.
Starting point is 01:06:49 No one's fucking there, or even a weekday. So the bar would be empty. I mean, it's this giant bar. I don't even know the square footage. It's enormous. You remember. Cavernous room with zero bodies in it. No people, just our boss employees walking around. Us and Bernard Gilkey.
Starting point is 01:07:07 Kidding, shit hammered? Sitting in the evening light with the dust particles around where you can see it. Sitting by himself at the end of the bar, drinking and chain smoking. Really? Chain smoking, man. I'm talking light one, put it out, light another, and drinking. Just not, dude, not watching TV. This is 99 before looking on his phone.
Starting point is 01:07:30 Yeah, there's nothing on his phone. Staring at the bar. Wow. That's how, dude, he was distraught. Like, you could see it in his carriage. It was killing him. The way he sat, bro. He sat just like, he sat like a guy that just lost his job at the
Starting point is 01:07:45 factory and he's got like three felonies and no one else wants to hire him and he doesn't know what to do and his child supports do that's what he looked like like the weight of the world on his shoulders and he just sat there and the weird thing was if anyone came up to him if because anybody who did would come in they go shit bernard gilkey he'd go hey how you doing he'd be real friendly shake their hand nice to meet you and all that shit soon as they'd walk away right back to staring at the it was weird because i said hi to him after he'd been there like three times i'm like man he's here all the time we've walked by this guy 7 000 times i might as well say he's a regular now yeah so i was like shit bernard gilkey i was like what the fuck why don't the diamondbacks play
Starting point is 01:08:20 you dude you can rake i remember saying you could you can fucking rake man because i remembered him on the mets hitting yeah and he was like wish i knew man that's exactly what he said he said wish i knew man and i said well shit that's i go well maybe you'll get back you know you'll get back in there you show him what's up and he's like and he just nodded and went back to his drink shook my hand that was that was he drinking hard liquor was he drinking beer liquor liquor wow liquor liquor with rocks rocks drink chain smoking ashtray right next to him like a fucking uh like a detective that's seen something bad like a hard-boiled detective who's on his third divorce that's what he looked like
Starting point is 01:08:56 but he's just hitting 230 that's his problem and he can't solve the case of that dead girl and her mother keeps calling and he's sad about it none of that dead girl and her mother keeps calling and he's sad about it none of that he's just hitting 230 and is embarrassed about the lead detective of btk just sipping and smoking sipping and smoking so it was fucking sad to watch man it really was that was i remember thinking god this guy is fucking depressed you could just see it in his in his face not just sad depressed it was a depressed man then he'd wander out of the fucking place and i assumed to go drive drunk that's all i can assume now i'd see him fucking wander out and i'm like he just had
Starting point is 01:09:35 five drinks probably yeah he just had five drinks like he is either he's going to another bar he's going to drive home either way it's a little frightening. This year, though, he hits.294 in 94 games. Oh. Gets it back together again. Yeah. .294 does a little bit better. Eight home runs, 39 ribbies.
Starting point is 01:09:57 He's a platoon player, obviously. Maybe it's your magic words, man. You don't know. Maybe my encouragement. You can rake. He left that bar and was like, I can fuckingake he goes man i can rake i can rake i can he walked across the street went right back to that fucking stadium and just shagged fly balls for the next that tall 20 year old bouncer really fucking had some wisdom i'm gonna go hit him out of the fucking park tonight there's no game i can do it
Starting point is 01:10:25 fuck this he pushed the ashtray away put his last cigarette out i'm gonna clean it up i'm gonna do it for him i'm gonna rake i'm gonna do it man i'm gonna do it so uh 2000 with the diamondbacks 85 and 77 that year third in the nl west back to earth you know what i mean now they have randy johnson and oh young young kim was their closer at that point they have kirk schilling by now todd stottlemeyer that's their crew here matt williams oh now he's making eight million five hundred thousand yeah this this payroll exploded at this point yeah these guys are making fucking bank um here we go uh june 25th 2000 though bad times for bernard he is designated they designate him for assignment really yeah oh my god matt manti remember him the clothes of matt manti
Starting point is 01:11:15 he's such a douchebag okay he looked like it when i oh he's exactly what you think he is on the mountain when i worked at jackson's players would come in all the time because it was right there and it was a nice bar so they'd come and it was the popular one and it was popular it was you knew that's where players were so like you know you'd meet all these different fucking players and it was their fox and hound and then uh alice cooper's town those were the three places that you would see people all the time yeah so jackson's you could tell like that people when people are assholes you could just tell based on how they are with other cedric sabalis nice guy says hi to everybody what's up he knows he's the center of the party he gets it guys like that matt manti sits there
Starting point is 01:11:57 with his fucking major league baseball hat on with the major league baseball symbol on it literally the major league and sits on it literally the major league and sits there cross his arms looking like he's hot shit it was fucking closing time he's still there yeah and we're like all right time to go gotta go don't you know who i am yeah yeah mediocre closer for a third place team. Get the fuck out. I don't care. That's what you are. Fuck off. And that's exactly what we said to him.
Starting point is 01:12:30 Fuck off. There was like eight of us. He's not, you know what I mean? It was time to go, motherfucker. You're out now. Do you want to leave or are you going to be on Channel 12 tomorrow for getting in a brawl with the bouncers? For getting the shit kicked out of you by eight people who don't make nearly as much as you combined and would love to kick your fucking snarky ass right now punch me and i'll sue you
Starting point is 01:12:50 and then i'll make as much as you one or the other but it's this at 2 a.m we want to go home yeah like you're you know who i am i don't give a fuck who you are be him on the sidewalk though the fuck out i've put up with those same words coming out of a fucking car salesman's mouth tonight so get the fuck out meanwhile the guy that was there yeah when he was at the peak of his fame in 99 every broke the record and all that couldn't be a nicer guy to everybody sammy sosa even with his fur coat and all that couldn't be a nicer guy to everybody these are famous people this guy's sitting, don't you know who I am? No, fuck off.
Starting point is 01:13:26 The guy that owns London Gold was just thrown out too, so you get the fuck out of here. You're out, asshole. So yeah, he gets designated for assignment, which means he can either go down or he can refuse the assignment and then they have to figure out what to do with him, which is what most people do because if you refuse the assignment, then they either have to trade you or they can cut you and just pay you all your money for the remainder. You're fucked.
Starting point is 01:13:50 So this year he was hitting 110 with two home runs. Yikes. And had one hit in his last 29 at-bats. This might have been when I encountered him was 2000 because I worked there both years. This is certainly when. So I think this is when it was going on. This was probably one of the days they had games, for Christ's sake, if he was playing like this.
Starting point is 01:14:13 So Arizona now has 10 days to trade or release him. So that's what they have to do. Wow. He was released when they activated Yerubial Durazo. Remember him? Yeah, the catcher, right? First baseman. Was he a catcher no first baseman who was better than Travis Lee and then they ended up sending him to
Starting point is 01:14:29 the Mexican League because yeah yeah couldn't hit me more yeah so yeah there you go and because he was hitting 287 that guy released by the Diamondbacks they just release him but a week later July 4th a 4th of July miracle here he signed as a free agent with the boston red sox is that right damn it i wish rod was still alive for so many fucking reasons
Starting point is 01:14:51 and one of them is i could talk about his time on the red sox because rod was on the fucking team with him now was he drinking rod no shit yeah this is uh was i'm sure he was yeah did you make him a daiquiri rod rod did you make him one of your daiquiris? Because those things were fucking dangerous. They were. They were full of alcohol but tasted like fruit. And you'd drink one and be like, I can't walk. What did you put in that?
Starting point is 01:15:16 It's all real good. You got to use a real banana. Soaks up the alcohol. Okay. I'll buy that, Rod. Love it. Love it. Yeah, Rod, that year, let's see who's on this team here.
Starting point is 01:15:28 Carl Everett's on this team. Nomar Garcia-Para. Pedro Martinez, of course. Ramon Martinez is a good team. Second in the AL East to the Yankees that year. Not bad. Who's making the money on this team? Carl Everett, $5 million.
Starting point is 01:15:40 $11 million for Pedro. $11.5 for Pedro. Not too shabby. Jose Offerman making fucking $5 a half million dollars that's unexpected hey rod made three and a half that year good for him yeah uh two million for real cormier yikes yes exactly so some guys not not exactly a good value there john valentin six million three hundred thousand. And the recently just passed away Tim Wakefield. Is that right? Seemed like such a great fucking guy, Tim Wakefield.
Starting point is 01:16:09 That's sad that he died. $4,500,000. And even sadder that Curt Schilling proved his contitude again with that whole thing. He made $4 million? Tim Wakefield, yeah, $4.5 million. Wow. Did you hear what Schilling did when he died? No. That piece of shit. He's the worst. Loud mouth, yeah, 4.5 million. Wow. Did you hear what Schilling did when he died? No.
Starting point is 01:16:25 That piece of shit, loud mouth, blowhard fucking piece of utter trash garbage said that fucking, this is like three days before Wakefield died, Schilling went on his podcast and revealed that Wakefield had brain cancer, which is something that the family was trying to keep private what the fuck shilling because he's in the league knew that and said i'll get some extra listens to my shit fucking podcast nobody listens to about kurt shilling fucking yap and blowhard who listens to that his fucking wife honestly his family yeah his family and awful people the only good thing about Curt Schilling was the way he pitched. Nothing else about him.
Starting point is 01:17:07 It was like everybody that ever met him said, oh, what a great guy if he would just not open his fucking mouth. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up and pitch. He can't pitch at all on the podcast. It's all his mouth. And no, fuck you, Curt Schilling. So he divulged that Tim was battling brain cancer three days before his death? And then it was all a big public thing that he has brain cancer when the
Starting point is 01:17:26 family tried to keep it private. And for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. It's their business. They don't have to fucking tell him anything. So ridiculous. So anyway, Bernard hit two 31 for the red socks that year,
Starting point is 01:17:37 but he did make 5,000,000, $250,000. So not bad. October 10th, 2000 season just over another dui arrest in boston in boston yeah i don't know if it's in boston or but while he's playing for boston yeah it's after the season so he's probably back wherever he's living now or maybe not november or he might live in boston now november 1st 2000 he's granted free agency so okay they release him
Starting point is 01:18:06 november 8th 2000 another dui arrest what yes less than a month after the last one he gets another what the fuck he fucking falls apart man this he doesn't care anymore no he's just whatever um so uh yeah they end up uh what is this oh yeah 2001 there's a buyout with the diamondbacks that's how they did that whole thing so january 5th 2001 he's at the bottom right he's at his bottom wrong he's been released he's been signed didn't hit well released again multiple duis this is one of those things where sometimes the only thing that can solve it is to break a major crime and sports rule and go home again. He's signed by the St. Louis Cardinals as a free agent. He went right back, huh?
Starting point is 01:18:52 Yeah, they want to dust him off. That happens a lot when a team guy will leave and then they end up wanting to dust him back off again. Hometown boy, too. Maybe we can fix him. Yeah, that's the other thing. So April 2001, though, he gets another DUI arrest. Three in fucking five months? Three in less than seven months.
Starting point is 01:19:13 Wow. This is not good at all. This is now becoming a problem. Not great here. Patterns are emerging. He's in trouble. One's a fuck up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:24 Two, you know, three, four years apart is i mean i guess it could happen this is now dude you drive drunk all the time what was stopped in a few months man that's jesus christ terrifying so april 3rd 2001 he is released by the st louis cardinals really and these duis are driving him out of the league i mean he didn't even play for him he fucking april 3rd it's before opening day that also might have been too the duis are why they shipped him out of town yeah and then he got another one right when they hired him back and you can't do that no i don't think that's st louis where beer is made no yeah that's a lot of balls too you mean he got a DUI leaving Bush Stadium? Shocking.
Starting point is 01:20:08 And then came back and got another one? God, our fucking country is weird. It's so weird. It's bizarre. It really is. It's called Bush Stadium, and everything there is about beer and the commercials, and it's all beer and beer, beer, beer, beer. Don't drive home, though, even though we made a giant parking lot that has 40,000 fucking car spaces.
Starting point is 01:20:25 Everyone here is driving. Come on. We have the weirdest wink and a nod society. It's fucking crazy. You know they're going to do it, and it's on you because you've applied them with it. The guy at the concession stand isn't like when you're on your fifth beer going, Hey, are you driving tonight? They don't fucking care.
Starting point is 01:20:44 Yeah. They don't give a shit what you're doing. They've seen 30,000 people. So he's released by the Cardinals. Nine days later, though, on April 12, 2001, he is signed as a free agent by the Atlanta Braves. Is that right? Yes.
Starting point is 01:20:58 That's the weird thing with talent, man. And you hear GMs talk about it, coaches talk about it all the time. If you've ever done it, if they've ever seen you do it in person they go that's in there i've seen it that's there i can tap into it i know we can it's there not a lot of people can hit over 330 home runs and 117 rbis in the major Sink them, do it. Somewhere inside of his brain and body, that exists. So we can just get it out, and then we'll be great. So this year, the Cardinals finish 88-74, which is very good. First in the NL, or the Braves, I'm sorry, finish 88-74. First in the NL East, they go to the Divisional Series and sweep the Astros,
Starting point is 01:21:43 and then are beat in the NLCS by the Diamondbacks, who went on to win the World Series, as we know. So, yeah, this year, the 2001 Braves, Glavin, Chipper Jones, Greg Maddox, multiple Hall of Famers, John Smoltz, four Hall of Famers on the team here. All he had to do was hold it together for another year, and he could have got himself a goddamn ring. That's it. And he couldn't fucking do it. He couldn't keep it together. And in the middle of the season, July 31st, 2001, he's facing prison time as well. Yeah, he should be.
Starting point is 01:22:16 Yeah, could face up to five years in prison if convicted in his latest drunk driving case, because it's his third in less than a year, which is not good. Gilkey was arrested this time. This is July 31st. They're saying he's arrested Sunday night, so he got arrested again in July. Oh, my God. Four in less than a year. Bernard. Bernard.
Starting point is 01:22:38 Jesus, Gilkey. You're worse than Mookie Blaylock right here. He's honest to Christ. He's in so much trouble. This is bad. And he doesn't even realize it. No, he's just like, well, I'm telling you, I think he's in a haze.
Starting point is 01:22:49 I think he's in a depressive, I can't speak for a man, but at this point, if he's anything like he looked in the bar, he's in a depressive haze. Well, the evidence of getting caught four times means he does it a lot. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:03 That means he's drinking a lot and the fact that god i feel bad for him strictly because he was still a nice guy when people came up to him and a guy who's depressed and drunk could be like man fuck away from me but he now he was always like oh thank you very much and smile and so i'm like deep down there's a nice person in there right you know what i mean but his drinking isn't about anybody else It's about himself and how he feels about himself. But that's exactly what happened to Sonny Sitch. And that's why she's in her. That's in her little sitch, which is going to be 20 years in fucking prison. It's not good.
Starting point is 01:23:34 He was arrested as the Braves arrived at the St. Louis airport for a series against the Cardinals and released the next day on $10,000 bond. So he was in uniform but didn't want to discuss the whole thing. He said, quote, can we talk about baseball? I just want to come here and play well and not let anything affect me. We'd like that too. We would certainly like that. The way to do that would be to stop getting arrested.
Starting point is 01:24:03 That would help. Yeah. Manager Bobby Cox said Gilkey believed the matter would be resolved before the team got to St. Louis. Cox said Gilkey would start that day either in left field or right field. Cox said, quote, it caught him by surprise. He thought it was all taken care of by his lawyers, and it wasn't. I guess they arrested him on like a court thing. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 01:24:23 The general manager said, I didn't know anything about it. I don't know any of the details. We were all sort of caught by surprise. They said, though, they don't plan on taking any action against Gilkey here. The Braves. Yeah. So it's definitely something for the for the past. It has to be.
Starting point is 01:24:38 He just didn't deal with any of it. Scherholtz, the GM, said he's been released on bail. He has a court date later in the fall until the legal process plays out fully. I don't know if it'll have an impact on our team. In other words, the court shits in the fall, which is after the baseball season, which is after we stop caring. So and after you guys stop covering it. Yeah. After you guys stop giving a shit about him as well. So, yeah, this he had three DUI arrests in seven months.
Starting point is 01:25:03 The prosecutors filed felony charges against him because he was deemed a persistent offender. Yeah, you're a menace. The April arrest came less than six weeks after he pled guilty on February 22nd to misdemeanor DUI charges stemming from arrests on October 10th and November 8th. Jesus Christ. All three arrests occurred in St. Louis County, where he lives in the off-season. He was placed on probation for two years in the October and November cases,
Starting point is 01:25:33 and he's ordered to attend counseling. Yeah. So, yeah, this is the Port St. Lucie arrest back in the day there. That resulted in one year probation, 50 hours community service, like we said. His license was also suspended for six months, and he was ordered to attend dui classes back then so i don't think they're working classes i'm gonna go out on a limb here i don't think they're
Starting point is 01:25:54 working classes yeah um that is uh wild now august 5th 2001 the brave said they were surprised when news broke last week of outfielder bernard gilkey's series of duirs they didn't know they didn't what are you kidding me it's all where do you think i got this information from it wasn't like like this underground dark web shit it was in the newspapers you don't know bernard personally and got this from his mom? None of this? None of this? Really? They said, but they might have known sooner if, as often would happen in the real world, Gilkey had been asked to fill out an employment application or undergo a background check.
Starting point is 01:26:36 Well, you're a baseball team. You should do your own background check. These guys cost millions of dollars. What's wrong with you? He didn't bring his background check with him to the interview, so we did not know. We didn't know. We don't look into people, make sure they're not like murderers or child molesters or anything. It's not our job.
Starting point is 01:26:53 The president of the Braves said, routinely, no, we wouldn't do that. We would do a thorough check on a basketball or hockey player coming over from Europe. But Bernard Gilkey, whom we've known or watched, no. If a player's been a major leaguer in any sport, there's a body of information that circulates from players and coaches. If there were no red flags, we would not go out of our way to initiate a background check. Wow. They said, well, would you have liked to have known about his arrest? And he said, oh yes, absolutely. Pay the absolutely pay the fuck attention you idiot i'm sorry but this is the most are they really trying to say they didn't realize that in the fucking in the six months before they signed him he was arrested three fucking times and it was in the newspaper in in the 2000s james you you gotta understand it
Starting point is 01:27:43 it was really hard to get information. It was difficult, yeah. I mean, Jesus, you had to get on the internet, and it was dial-up. It was real hard. It took a long time, and you had to sit through a lot of noises. This is just baseball news. The USA Today would have had this in there, like the most basic shit. Everybody knew.
Starting point is 01:28:02 Everybody had to know. In baseball, if you play baseball, if baseball is anything like any fucking profession on the planet, if you do something, you know when other people that do that are pieces of shit and fuck up. Yes, absolutely. You know everybody's shortcomings that do the same thing you do. It's an insular industry. People know their shit. And this guy, you're telling me the president the gm the manager
Starting point is 01:28:25 nobody in a higher in a higher position on this team that's a billion dollar thing and all these millions of dollars and all this type of shit nobody read the newspaper in the last six months not one of them no one even heard from a friend or from a well that guy yeah god christ he can't stop getting pulled over for drunk driving what what do you mean that never happened they were too busy putting every game they've ever played on tnt yeah what a complete load of shit buck passing bullshit i'm sorry but that makes me fucking sick to fucking hear that that is just they just hate when they do that i think they just didn't know it wasn't taken care of that's all they didn't know i think they didn't give a shit yeah you don't think so i don't think they cared you may be right or they thought it was taking care of whatever it was or thought nobody
Starting point is 01:29:12 would notice they said we didn't know we got arrested three times in six months that was what they chose to say and they figured yeah it's fine no way jesus christ i mean that's so stupid how dumb are you when they say dumb shit like, it almost makes you feel bad for Bernard. You know what I mean? Because it's like, hey, you're acting like he's like a master criminal now. He's just a drunk who came in and figured you knew he was a drunk at the time and had fucked up and done some shit. And don't blame it on him. He's a depressed guy that processes depression with booze.
Starting point is 01:29:42 That's it. You got to almost feel bad for him. I do. I feel bad for him, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Bernard Gilkey from Oklahoma. Oh, yeah. This guy named Bernard Gilkey, who for a 50-year period just got in a lot of trouble. And it's really fucking funny. Bernard Gilkey, starting in 1909. Wow.
Starting point is 01:30:08 fucking funny bernard gilkey starting in 1909 wow yes they said that the the uh the results of the recent grand jury are beginning to show this week and 23 warrants have been served on nine persons charging them with selling whiskey as follows and one of them is bernard gilkey for selling whiskey so they're all gonna get that um that's amazing and then they say 1940 we catch back up with bernard gilkey they say government official saturday swatted bernard gilkey 50 year old oilton man for the second time in as many days and the third time this year oh jesus joe howard assistant u.s district attorney filed an action in federal court seeking confiscation of Gilkey's 1940 Chevrolet and 64 gallons of bonded liquor found in it. Of course he's got problems with booze. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Starting point is 01:30:53 He can't help it. It's Bernard Gilkey, man. This is wild. It's in the name, man. Can't help it. Gilkey was charged with importing liquor into a dry state when federal officers halted his car three miles west of venita on u.s highway 66 on january 29th friday gilkey was charged along with seven other men with the theft of more than 100 cases of federally seized liquor from a government warehouse he stole it back awesome
Starting point is 01:31:17 genius awesome some of the liquor taken from the warehouse was believed to have been uh part of the contraband taken from gilkey in the first place fuck yeah gilkey stole his own shit that's fucking amazing by the way if you happen to have a cold and you live in 1940 yeah that says to relieve the misery of colds uh you take a product called 666. Does it have a skull and crossbones on it, too? You ask Satan to relieve your cold symptoms. Liquid tablets, salves, nose, and drops. It's all devil. That's perfect.
Starting point is 01:31:56 If you can't pray it away, just celebrate with the devil. Celebrate with the devil. So 1940, Bernard Gilkey gets arrested again. And then later on in 1940, nightclub men and liquor deals sentenced to church what yes herman terrell oil to nightclub proprietor and bernard gilkey 37 drum right nightclub proprietor are going to contribute some mighty powerful and earnest amens to the Lord's work in Creek County for the next five years. Federal judge sentenced them to the amen row Thursday morning, quote, unquote. He placed them on five years probation when they pleaded guilty to buying 113 cases of
Starting point is 01:32:38 whiskey stolen from a government warehouse. And and the chief assignment of their probationary period, Judge Murrah declared, is to go to church every Sunday and sit on the front row and pray. Oh, my God. That's a sentence. Sentence to prayer. The court told them to get a minister to guard over their conduct and report their conduct to the federal probation office.
Starting point is 01:33:03 What the fuck? Wow. They also say you must not deal in whiskey and you must not drink whiskey. You must be moral, upright citizens. If you're not, I'll revoke your probation and send you straight to jail. Now you get to church and drink that wine. Yeah. Well, no, Catholic.
Starting point is 01:33:20 This is in the Midwest, I think. Yeah. Tulsa. The Catholics were like, Catholic? What the fuck? Them drunks. Terrell and Gilkey were released under bonds they posted before their court appearance as they promised to be back in the federal building Friday with a minister to go their bail.
Starting point is 01:33:36 They have to go get a minister and come back. Wow. That's crazy. The court's religious training order for Terrell and Gilkey wound up the government's case resulting from the warehouse whiskey raid. Holy shit. That is, I don't even know what to say about that. Sentenced to church.
Starting point is 01:33:54 Yeah, so I can't believe they stole the liquor back. That's pretty fucking awesome. That is pretty awesome stuff. And then 1940, recovered whiskey destroyed by U.S. The last smudge of sin was wiped Tuesday from the federal court records of Bernard L. Gilkey and Herman Terrell, Oilton nightclub operators, recently implicated in the theft of whiskey. George DeLozier, assistant federal probation officer, announced that he had destroyed 56 cases of whiskey, which Gilkey and Terrell surrendered in righteousness after their federal court trial.
Starting point is 01:34:32 Righteousness. Surrendered in righteousness. Also reported the two men are attending services regularly at the Oylton Methodist Church. The two men gave up the whiskey, which federal officers didn't even know they had, The two men gave up the whiskey, which federal officers didn't even know they had after federal judge Alfred P. Murrah placed them on five years probation on the liquor conspiracy theft case. So the federal judge is the guy that the building was named after. Oh, it is.
Starting point is 01:34:59 That's right. Yeah. Well, there you go. He's sentencing people to church. That's who we name fucking buildings after in this fucking country. People who sentence people. Now you boys get out in the first row and pray now. Jesus fucking Christ. I hope he would have changed his mind after he found out what happened to his building.
Starting point is 01:35:16 No shit. Yeah, really. The Oylton attendance, church attendance is in accord with Judge Murrah's probation ruling that Gilkey and Terrell must be present in church every Sunday morning at some church service and sing with the congregation. And sing. You must sing and enjoy it from the lungs. Let's go. Make a joyful noise.
Starting point is 01:35:38 Deep down, baby. You must speak in tongues and feel the spirit of the Lord. You must speak in tongues and feel the spirit of the Lord. So by 1947, we see that Lillian Gilkey is obtaining a divorce from Bernard Gilkey. She's had enough. She has had enough of this bullshit and done. And then in 1955, Muskogee Times Democrat, two arrested and raided back on same charge. Bernard L. Gilkey. Oh, it didn't work.
Starting point is 01:36:05 Just freed from county jail Saturday morning, was among 10 men arrested Saturday night on charges of gambling. Back at it. Oh my god, Gilkey is a monster. He's a scumbag. Gilkey and Windricks accused of operating
Starting point is 01:36:22 the gambling games at Sun's Place 137 South Main, were arrested with five others Friday night in the same place on the same charge. He got arrested two days in a row at the same place. What a fucking idiot. Running a casino. For the same fucking casino. Under Sheriff Bill Vinzant led the raids Friday night,
Starting point is 01:36:38 and Sheriff Neville Kerr surprised the group 24 hours later. They'll never suspect this. Feels like they're very aware of everything you're doing all of it every last fucking drop of it so that is his baseball career it is over at this point yep the Braves end up releasing him 2002 he's done he's done 2001's his last year he played in 69 games that year hit 274 with two home runs, 14 RBI. Wasn't terrible, but he's not Bernard Gilkey. And it's kind of over for him at this point. In the postseason, he didn't do 200 in the series against Arizona.
Starting point is 01:37:16 That's about it. But he's made so much money. Yeah. That year, or 2000, he made $5,250,000. The Red Sox only paid him $200,000. His total career earnings, though, $26,207,500. Oh, God, that's amazing. For really doing nothing.
Starting point is 01:37:36 Nothing. In his entire life. Really doing it. He had one good season. Wow. That's why I said everything fell into place for him until Grace, because it was one good season, right when his contract's up, right when the Mets were looking to spend money. Wow.
Starting point is 01:37:50 Yes. He batted 300-ish for, I don't know, three or four years, but he did nothing. Nothing. That's spectacular. The hype over him. Yeah. That's what it was, man. Wow.
Starting point is 01:38:01 It just didn't work. So November 9th, 2001, he's granted free agency, and that'll be that for him. And then later on in the day, November 9th, he had his matinee. It's a twilight doubleheader. And for the night game, he pleads guilty to drunk driving. It's a bad day for him. They release him the day he's got to go plead guilty. And guilty.
Starting point is 01:38:24 And guilty. they release in the day he's got to go plead guilty and guilty and guilty uh sentencing is scheduled for january facing a maximum of five years in prison here um this is a lot just a lot going on for him too much here january 17th 2002 here he is he's in court for sentencing and gilkey is sentenced to you sir yeah may fuck off four months in jail and five months or five years probation and is labeled a persistent drunk driver that's the penalty there he will not stop he is a nuisance drunk nuisance drunk at this point he's only 35 by the way that's crazy and it's he's yeah depressed washed up done it's sad um 500 hours of community service as well and undergo he must undergo drug and alcohol treatment and
Starting point is 01:39:13 refrain from driving no driving for the next five years oh no license no driving you made 26 million dollars there should be no problem there should be no problem getting cabs here. The judge initially sentenced Gilkey to five years in prison, but then at the end suspended the sentence and ordered probation. That's nice. So he scared the shit out of him and then did that. They said he ordered him to spend four months in the county jail on a related charge of driving with a revoked license because he got busted for that after the DUIs as well as a concurrent 15 day term for a speeding ticket so he's driving with all those DUIs and no license and still speeding
Starting point is 01:39:52 that's really maddening I gotta tell you man that's a fucking lot he's been arrested yeah at least four times that we know of here he's a free agent he politely acknowledged judges questions in court but otherwise did not speak at length and the judge said he hoped the athlete would use his
Starting point is 01:40:10 community service to preach against alcohol to the youths of america oh yeah okay so april 14th 2002 outfielder bernard gilkey here is signed as a minor leaguer to a minor league contract by the Chicago Cubs. Really? Supposed to report to extended spring training in Mesa and join its AAA farm club later in the month. That's what they said. He's out of jail. He's ready to do this. Doesn't make the team.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Doesn't do shit. But his contract keeps on giving jimmy keeps on giving remember i told you that oh no no because he arizona had to work out a buyout with him that was the time when they were having money troubles and working out deferred payments they're still paying randy johnson they're still paying matt williams they're still paying jay bell they still put all these fucking people there's a bunch of baseball players that haven't played in 20 years that are still getting large paychecks every year from deferments they pay the mets guys did that too that's how bobby bonilla gets paid every year from this deferment so what he gets is from 2003 to 2017 he got deferred payments from the Diamondbacks. A million a year. It's 15 years, $12,207,806 for an average salary of $813,854 to not play a fucking goddamn drop of baseball.
Starting point is 01:41:38 That will buy a lot of whiskey sours. Imagine how great you would feel. Holy shit. If you're like, so you're telling me for the next 15 years i don't have to work at all and i'm gonna make eight hundred thousand dollars a year holy shit i'd put a hawaiian shirt on i'd be the fucking i'd be i wouldn't give a shit selfies i would be taking i'd be a i'd be the biggest douche on the planet. No shit, man. Hi, here I am.
Starting point is 01:42:06 Hi, everybody. Having a great time. Wow, that is fucking shocking. What the fuck? That is shocking. That's the deal they had to work out with him. So six years ago, he stopped getting paid finally. Yep, just finally stopped getting paid.
Starting point is 01:42:19 That's amazing. Everybody knows about the Bonilla deal, but nobody knew about the – at least Bonilla was productive at one point in his career, not just for one season. So March 2, 2003, he's been away from the game a year since he got cut by the Cubs. The Brewers signed him to a minor league contract. Yep, he worked out with the Cubs. He's in Brewers minor league camp, and he says,
Starting point is 01:42:43 May well stay there the uh brewers who is this the brewers general manager said we had planned on bringing him into big league camp but then we ended up claiming brady clark on waivers and signing john vanderwall so he's down here now the gm said now we don't see this now we don't see the same need for him so he got kind of fucked there he knows how to play the game if he ends up doing well enough i wouldn't stand in the way of his getting a big league job in other words we're never going to bring him up but if he plays well down there we're perfectly happy to let another team sign him which is what the cubs did with rod in 2003 really the cubs signed him after
Starting point is 01:43:19 he had all these surgeries after he was done with the red socks they signed him to a minor league deal and said we got guys up here, but if you do well down there and another team wants you, we'll let it happen. So then he did really well, and the Padres signed him, and he had 20 straight saves when he came up immediately. Not bad. Yeah, he was Comeback Player of the Year that year. So you never know.
Starting point is 01:43:40 It could happen. That's what I mean. That's what they're hoping for is what I was trying to get at. It was the same time period, period too exactly the same time period so yep he said um he said i wouldn't stand in the way of his getting a big league job if i can pick up a younger player in a deal or a little cash in a waiver transaction or something like that i'll do it so happy to get rid of him no interest in him august 7th 2009 this is an article about the Diamondbacks having to pay him until 2017, which is amazing. His final payoff figures appear to be somewhere around his 51st birthday.
Starting point is 01:44:13 Wow. It's one of those unique baseball stories or baseball unique business stories rarely told when teams defer salaries years into the future to save money in the present. The Diamondbacks payroll shows up at about $73 million this season, but in reality, the team has likely deferred more money than any other team in the history of sports and will cut checks totaling $90 million, even though they only have 70 of it on the field. That's how much they're doing.
Starting point is 01:44:38 What the shit? Those payments go to active players like Dan Harron, Mark Reynolds, who's all strikeout king, but the team will also be paying off past players like Gilkey, Randy Johnson, Luis Gonzalez, Armando Reynoso, Kurt Schilling, Matt Williams, Roberto Alomar. These guys. All this money that they put out to win a World Series. Yeah, that's it. And they had to pay for it.
Starting point is 01:45:00 Still paying for it. They put it on layaway. They really did. They said the Diamondbacks past ownership was all about doing what they had to win. This is after Colangelo family sold it. Still paying for it. They put it on layaway. They really did. They said the Diamondbacks' past ownership was all about doing what they had to win, because this was after Colangelo family sold it. It worked. In 2001, they agreed to pay its roster of players $85 million
Starting point is 01:45:13 and beat the Yankees in the World Series that year. But doing that, they also had to, but doing what they had to do to win also meant deferring $244 million they owed to players. That's what they deferred. Leverage, what the shit, man.
Starting point is 01:45:28 Yep. When Kendrick took over the team in 2004, the Diamondbacks started paying back. The payment schedule was sped up when baseball changed the debt rules a couple years ago. Diamondbacks president and CEO Derek Hall said the team paid off $16 million this year and will pay off $15 million in 2010, $14 million in 2011, $13 million in 2012. And by 2013, the Diamondbacks will have less than $1.5 million to pay off, which is still Gilkey for a couple of years. Matt Williams' payments come off in 2014. And Gilkey, whose annual checks go up to as much as $1 million, will be the last one to come off the books in 2017.
Starting point is 01:46:07 He stretched his the furthest. The furthest. The last guy to Randy Johnson was done being paid. All that. And Bernard Gilkey, they still have to fucking pay. The guy wasn't even on the team when it happened, and they're still paying him. Still paying him.
Starting point is 01:46:22 The hall here, the GM or whatever, said, or the president president when fans look at our payroll they don't realize that we're also paying former players yeah nope um so that's that's fucking insane that's like uh bobby bonilla as the most obviously because he gets 5.9 million dollars or some crazy shit a year for whatever um so, yeah, that's how that works. 2014, as of 2014, Bernard is living in St. Louis with his wife, Patrice. Good for him. Yep.
Starting point is 01:46:56 They have two sons, Jaylene and Kevin, I think. K-A-E-V-E-N. I think that's Kevin. That's Kevin, right? Or Kaven, one of the two. Kaven or Kevin. They have Jaylene and Kaven. Jalen played basketball in NCAA Division II Miles College,
Starting point is 01:47:12 and Kaven played at High Point University. It's got to be Kevin, right? Got to be Kevin. Got both of his kids through college. 2018, inducted into the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame. Who was? Bernard was. What? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:47:26 They must not have a lot going on in Missouri, but he's in the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame. And 2019 through present, according to Wikipedia, Bernard Gilkey is a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker Premier Real Estate. Wow. Yep. So there he is.
Starting point is 01:47:43 And, I mean, he's stayed clean. He hasn't gotten arrested that i've seen yeah alcohol was his problem he was sad and drunk i feel like that was without the without being sad and without the booze i feel like he's fine he seemed like a nice guy in missouri hall of fame yeah brought by a house from him brought to you by budweiser brought to you by the bastard the whole bush family and the whole anheuser-Busch line of beers. I mean, yeah, if I was in there, I'd buy a house from him. I'm sure he's fine and it doesn't scare me or anything like that.
Starting point is 01:48:12 I want to hear stories. He's very lucky that he kicked it. If he's kicked it or he's gotten it under control, whichever way it is, he is so lucky that he did not kill somebody because that's where he was going. He was definitely down that road. He's been with his wife long enough to get kids through college. So that tells me that, you know, I don't think she'd have put up with that kind of drunkenness. Anybody would for 20 years.
Starting point is 01:48:35 So that was post that was post MLB, right? No. Yeah. Yeah. It was right around that time. Sure. His career. So now his net worth, as we time, by the end of his career.
Starting point is 01:48:49 Now, his net worth, as we know, these are never accurate, ever, and I don't believe this, too. As of 2023, via networthpost.org, it says $600,000. He's got more than that. He's got to have more. Net worth from wikiology.com is $1.5 million. Maybe he is 1.5 million dollars so maybe he is broke i mean if he spent it all and then lived up to his 800 000 a year means while he was playing and then i mean i could see that that could be very you could spend 800 grand a year if you're used to the high life very easily so there you go that is bernard gilkey everybody and that's a cautionary tale don't drive stupid boy yeah speaking of not driving
Starting point is 01:49:27 but drinking let's talk about an update everybody pac-man jones is in the news again happened september 11th he did this of this year okay 2023 on what day september 11th he's arrested by being pulled off of a plane oh my god yes that's what i'm saying that on september 11th he's arrested by being pulled off of a plane oh my god yes that's what i'm saying that on september 11th nope arrested early after police responded to the report of an unruly passenger at the cincinnati northern kentucky shithole airport yeah and the covington kentucky airport i could see being unruly in that airport just because it's such a dump and you're angry but i get it. Jones was booked on misdemeanor counts of alcohol intoxication, disorderly conduct and terroristic threatening.
Starting point is 01:50:12 Airport spokesman or spokesperson Mindy Kirschner said police were called at 6 a.m. Monday to help crew members with an unruly passenger on a flight scheduled for departure. unruly passenger on a flight scheduled for departure they confirmed that jones was the passenger and was arrested prior to takeoff and taken to the boone county detention center now here's the flight crew's story of what happened 6 a.m flight 6 a.m this shit is happening at 5 40 because this was during the safety briefing so this is while they're taxiing or some shit so as the flight attendant gave a safety briefing jones was complaining about his charger port not working they never fucking work welcome to commercial flights that's it they never work or they plug you plug it in and it says it's working and then you look at it a half hour later and hasn't moved at all that's the other thing that happens the only thing it's done is the shit your bar is now
Starting point is 01:51:03 red and it's almost dead because your're charged in work the entire fucking flight. It's bullshit. He unbuckled, this is according to them, quote, he unbuckled his seatbelt. His behavior caused annoyance and harm to the other passengers. He interrupted flight operations. He was given one last opportunity to settle down. And after that, they had taken taken after they had taken off they would address his problems like look chill the fuck out once we take off deal with it in the sky
Starting point is 01:51:29 we'll plug you into this guys we'll figure it out don't worry about it but she said jones remained argumentative and both flight attendants both flight attendants could smell a strong odor of alcohol on this person because it's 6 a.m he's probably still up drinking from the night before he called somebody a name probably the captain turned the flight around and airport police tried to de-escalate the situation i think they were on the runway and they said come on back oh okay all right jones threatened physical injury uh well while in the officer's presence he said quote wait i'm going to get you. And that is not a threat. That's a promise. So he clarified.
Starting point is 01:52:09 I'm going to get. And then he said again, quote, I'm going to get you. How drunk was he? Very drunk enough to threaten someone in an officer's presence on September 11th and say it's not a threat. It's a promise. Police took him into custody at that point is when they took him into custody and handcuffed him. His story's a little different, though, of what went down. What's he say?
Starting point is 01:52:32 Well, after he's released from jail, he said he simply asked to be moved to another seat because the phone charger for the two seats he had purchased, he purchased two seats, apparently. Oh, he buys two in first class. I'll bet. I wonder if he was if he just said, fuck it, I'll be cheap. It's probably cheaper to buy two coach tickets in a first class. I'll just buy two coaches and spread the fuck out.
Starting point is 01:52:53 I wonder if he did that. That's amazing. If he did that. Wow. That'd be interesting. So he said he simply asked to be moved to another seat. They weren't. It wasn't working.
Starting point is 01:53:04 And he was told that they would have to turn the plane around. He's like, I just said, can I moved to another seat. They weren't, it wasn't working. And he was told that they would have to turn the plane around. He's like, I just said, can I move to another seat? And they were like, we're turning the plane around right now. Yeah. That's his story. He shares this on Twitter here to refute the claims. He says, this is in a video of him talking, quote, the argument was the plug didn't work. So I was like, hey, excuse me, me sir i'm sure that's exactly how he said
Starting point is 01:53:27 can i can i move me to another fucking seat because i brought i bought both these seats and the plug don't work okay oh you want to leave is what he said oh you want to leave we got we got to go all the way back to the gate well shit that ain't got nothing to do with me that's what he said then he said since i wanted to go all the way back to the gate because my plug didn't work i get arrested man this shit gotta be a movie yes the story of your life has to be a movie that's true but you're not in one now that's not what happened either because if you've got two seats and you've got two chargers and if the charger's not working it's probably because they have it turned off right now and we'll get it charged when we're
Starting point is 01:54:15 in the fucking sky because they turn half of them just don't work too yeah they do turn them off sometimes when they when the power's down usually when you're sitting there when they start to taxi it all fires back up again because that's when you're power. They're saving the battery because I asked about that when I was on the runway for fucking three hours two weeks ago. I said, what the fuck is up with that? And they were like, oh, well, we're sitting here when your brain is boiling in the heat. We turn most of the functioning off, so we still have. We turn off everything except for the motors and generate more heat.
Starting point is 01:54:42 That's what we do. Yeah, we want to make it as hot in here as possible. Now, Jones denies, vehemently denies being intoxicated. He was not drunk and also says he didn't threaten anybody. That's bullshit. And then he said, this is my favorite thing of all time, quote, I'm hurt. This is embarrassing. Embarrassing.
Starting point is 01:55:03 Pac-Man, we did a whole episode on you, bro. This is one of the least embarrassing episodes you've ever had. Were you holding a bag of chicken while this went on? Probably not, so it's not as embarrassing. He's been trying to correct all that by adopting Henry's kids and trying to be a good dude. But he's still Pac-Man. Yeah, you're still Pac-Man Jones, man. He does good things and he's a fine whatever and all that but he's also a guy who
Starting point is 01:55:25 likes to get drunk and cause some ruckus he's fucking pac-man where it's not gonna stop he's a guy with a mouthful of gold teeth that acts like a man with a mouthful of gold teeth yeah he remains free after posting 10 of a five thousand dollar bond one of his conditions of his release is that he'd not go back to that airport for now oh don't even go back to since does he live in cincinnati though yes oh no so he faces one count of terroristic threatening disorderly conduct and alcohol intoxication in a public place september 28th just happened yeah he goes to court because he still wants to travel out of that airport he's like yeah i don't want to drive to columbus it sucks yeah i don't want to drive
Starting point is 01:56:04 all the way there. A northern Kentucky judge denied his request to allow him to resume travel through that airport. His attorney told Boone County District Attorney Court Judge Marsha Thomas during a brief morning hearing that the ban is impacting his work. I'll bet it is. Including with the SPN, the judge was not swayed and said, well, we'll figure it out in a pretrial on October 12th. Fuck out of my courtroom.
Starting point is 01:56:29 ESPN doesn't have any ground in here. No, BSPN, we don't care about that here. And that, everyone, is Pac-Man Jones and Bernard Gilkey. We've had two guys named Bernard in the last month. What are the odds? Wild. That's unbelievable. That's strange shit.
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Starting point is 01:58:41 documentary that's currently out on max and Hulu and also the whole story of Bishop Sycamore High, which is a fake high school that basically for the glorification of one lunatic's ego. One guy. He got a bunch of junior college kids injured by high school children. It's a weird story. We'll talk all about it. It's all about fraud.
Starting point is 01:59:00 It's Fyre Festival. It's Anna Delvey. It's Theranos. It's all the shit wrapped into one and he is doing it to some children and some young adults. So we'll talk about that. For Small Town Murder, we're going to talk about something very fun and also terrible. Joey Buttafuoco. Right. And Amy Fisher.
Starting point is 01:59:18 And if you don't know anything about that, the man's name is Joey Buttafuoco. And we're going to talk about him. You definitely want to hear that. Trust me. Don't Google Amy Fisher. No, no, no. You'll see some gross things. Very graphic things.
Starting point is 01:59:31 I don't know what's grosser, that video or shooting a woman in the face on her porch. Those two are both pretty gross. Maybe it's every other video of her dirty talk. Dude, it's so gross. It's bad. So gross. You'll get all of that. Patreon.com slash crime
Starting point is 01:59:47 in sports and you get a shout out where Jimmy will mispronounce your name while he would love so much so much to get it correct and it's about that time right now. Jimmy hit me with the names of the people who wouldn't keep continuously drinking even though they get arrested every other week for driving while drunk.
Starting point is 02:00:03 Jimmy hit me with those names right now. This week's executive producers are Rad Barnert in New York City by way of Australia, but he was also born in Czechoslovakia. Rad, thank you. Oh, my. That's a lot of different continents you got going on there. Very cool of you. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 02:00:19 You made our year better, too. Thank you. Jordan Bennett, Doug Chimeric, I believe it's Chimeric. C. Merrick. Thank you. Thank you. Very much. Happy birthday, Peyton Meadows.
Starting point is 02:00:31 Thank you for everything you've done over the years. Other producers this week are Liz Vasquez. Gary Friedman wonders how many books you read a year, James. Is it multiple at once? Yeah, I'm reading like six at once. Probably a good hundred a year. There you go gary you happy now shanice kobolowski kobolowski all right joe mitchell that uh the uncle buck's
Starting point is 02:00:54 girlfriend it is that it was gary gary wrote it in thinking to sneak that in there you beat him on now uh joe mitchell is a bitch i don't know if you know that. I just learned that today. Haystacks, Calhoun's sweaty overalls. Oh, no. Those are pretty gross. Donated about those. Janice Hill, Rosa Martinez, Scarlett Horby's The Third, and Estevez Jones' wedding registry,
Starting point is 02:01:18 James. They're getting married. Isn't that sweet? We made a love connection. I'm so happy. Eaton Cox, congratulations on that one. Ian Elliott, Dale Crawford, Kristen Beach-Tarpley, Willow with no last name, Damon with no last name, Danelle Minton, Haley Renee, Tommy Palmer, Tigerfan89, Justin Fletcher, Fletcher, Fletcher? Zen.
Starting point is 02:01:40 Zen with no last name, Latasha Lincoln. Heather Bruhl. Dylan Bourne. Stephen Davis. Sin 1 or Sin I. Maybe Sin L. I don't know. Sin. Somebody named Sin. Sin L.
Starting point is 02:01:53 L. Sin. Sarah Helland. David Kaye. Claire Weston. Geordie with no last name. Sarah Lake. Jennifer Brockman. Tyler Herscheler.
Starting point is 02:02:01 Hey, Hetererlo. Hetererlo. Hetererlo. Hetererlo. O-erlo. Hetererlo. O-M-F-S-M. I don't know what any of that is. Do you know what that is? That's an acronym.
Starting point is 02:02:11 O-M-F-S-M? Yeah. I don't know. Oh, my fucking sad memories. I have no idea. I'm not sure. Naima Sanchez. Maybe it's a man with big, sad titties.
Starting point is 02:02:22 Muhammad Sheikh. Sheikh. Sheikh. Kayla Jo. Mackenziezie hill tim with no last name logan johnson audrey sir layless sir sirless seerless uh brooke with no last name yeah yeah with no last name kenneth buckley joshua ritchie stacy hoewerth uh amy segan segan uh segan rachel embry melissa naven naven uh like johnson kaylin campbell uh where am i at morgan okasin Megan, Sagan, Rachel Embry, Melissa Navin, like Johnson, Kaylin Campbell, where am I at?
Starting point is 02:02:48 Morgan Okeson, Kieran Friel, maybe, Nicola Horn, Nicola, Nicola Horn, Nicola. All right. Elvind Nijhoos, Teresa Mendes. I like that name. Yeah. I felt like that was them trying to get me to say something dirty, but I don't know what a Nijhoos is. Nijhoos. That's a good name. I like that name. Yeah. I felt like that was them trying to get me to say something dirty, but I don't know what a Nyhus is.
Starting point is 02:03:07 Nyhus. That's a good name. I like that. Teresa Mendez. Blake Jones. Jennifer Budden. That's Joe's daughter, I imagine. Tyler Kaya.
Starting point is 02:03:15 Tyler Kaya. Sonia. Sonny. Sonny Zuniga. Oh, boy. I don't like that at all. Crystal Duck. Shannon Wilkie. Kymie. Kimmy, Kimmy, Tracy Larson, Candy Eisen, Eastman,
Starting point is 02:03:31 Christian Lee Ohms, Rebecca Smith, Tish with no last name, Ryan Chambers, Anna Walker, Jasmine Rusin, Rasan, Lacey Sonega, Sonega. All right. Loretta with no last name. Jakia, Jaka. Jaka, Jakia. Ratliff, Laura Moth, Richard Winter. Bridget with no last name.
Starting point is 02:03:51 Ashley Bliss, Ashley Spradlin. Derek Whitson, Nico Doza. Do-ay-zma, Do-a-ze-ma. Yeah, there's always a lot of Ashleys. That's a very popular goddamn name. Do-a-ze-ma? Do-a-ze-ma. Jericho Fellerer. Jericho Fellerer. There's always a lot of Ashleys. That's a very popular goddamn name. Dozema? Dozema.
Starting point is 02:04:07 Jericho Fellerer. Jericho Fellerer. Sounded like you ran out of gas there. Victoria Scott. Won't turn over. I need a jump. Ava Sundquist. Stoner. Sarah Stoner.
Starting point is 02:04:19 Holly Phillips. Tara Bollock. Joey with no last name. Will with no last name. Benjamin Pierce. Paige Cade. KD petra petrocelli uh leonardo leonard leonard barkhead uh kimberly kretzinger kretzinger peggy bell blard blarde kristen miller uh andy mullendore john hayes John Hayes, Sarah Zilka Starkey, Casey Fitzberger, Josh Carr, STC, Matt Gabney, Jenna with no last name, Maria Bergman, Lillis Gold, Adam Alvis, Lady Love, Caitlin Davis, Brad Sparks, Isaac G., Melissa Persia, Austin Airstrike, a strike, a strike. Justine Nowicki. Austin with no last name.
Starting point is 02:05:07 Joey with no last name. Kyla Blair. Nicole Weswick. Casey Schweiger. Valerie Hilliard. Michael Mitrick. Samantha Hall. Dakota Delaney.
Starting point is 02:05:18 Ask Brant McGowan. McGowan Zach. McGowan Zach, 88. Sarah Seward. Humphrey Mouinet, Tracy Antinori, Rebecca Merritt, Teresa Shaddy, Tristan M., Colin Powell. Colin Powell. That's pretty funny.
Starting point is 02:05:37 Crystal the Pistol, Regina Carlson, Travis Wallace, Megan Bodo, Beatriz with no last name, Ronald Stavniki, Stavniki, Stavniki, Stavniki, Stavniki, Kathleen Held, Courtney Balika, Balika, Donna Magoo, Magoo,
Starting point is 02:05:57 Magoo, Jamie Soledad, Helen Condliff, Caitlin Motley, Amina Ziegler, Amina Ziegler, Krista Lombard, Krista Lombard, Sarah Mills, Randa Creighton, Chris Gutro, Tiffany Schmidt, Scott McLaughlin, Zach Alvarez, Jeremy Armand, M.K. Ostracaucus, Morris Tayman, and Thomas Bollinger and all of our patrons. You're terrific. Thank you. Thank you, everybody, so much. Holy shit, you guys are awesome.
Starting point is 02:06:27 Hope you're enjoying the content. We're fucking having a good time making it. So if you want to follow us anytime, me and Jimmy here on social media, very easy to do that. There's links to everything at shutupandgivememurder.com. That's the place to go, the central nervous system of the show. So check that out. Come see us. Come listen to more shows.
Starting point is 02:06:44 Listen to your stupid opinions. Listen to Small Town Murder. Keep hanging out with us, everybody. And live from the Crime and Sports studios, we will see you next week. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.
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