Crime in Sports - #406 - Sexy Stroke Victims & Unwanted Mafia Help - Joe Pepitone - Part 2

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

This week, we continue this crazy story with a new marriage, and the beginning of a NY Yankees career, next to names like Mickey Mantle. He also has mafia members offer to "take out" the guy playing in front of Joe, and even more sexual stories, including one, that certainly a prison worthy crime. Divorce, and mental breakdowns follow, with even more craziness happening!!Get VERY turned on by a woman that you caused to have a stroke, beg the mafia not to kill the starting first baseman, and kick in your wife's front door with Joe Pepitone - Part 2!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It will only get worse with Joe Pepitone Part 2. Something really, I mean, this is one where he's not getting arrested a lot, but he's telling us all about these horrible crimes he's committed. There's some this week that are just like, wow, that's very illegal. His own words. You should probably be in jail for that, but instead you wrote a book about it. Okay. Statute of limitations are up. Quickly before we get to this, just want to say first of all, thank you for everything that you guys do for us. If you'd like to buy merchandise or get tickets

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Nothing to see here. Also the NBA guy who got kicked out. That's gonna happen a lot, by the way. You can just do it on your phone. Oh, that's common. Yeah. That's common. It's gonna be, there's gonna be a reckoning there. Yeah, yeah.

You're gonna have to change some rules about that because you can't advertise something and then suspend players for life for using it. That's not gonna work, I don't think. What are we doing? It's a little bit odd. And also some other gambling incidents that aren't Pete Rose, too.

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Vargain there's gonna be very little baseball here. The only baseball you'll really hear about is like some pranks or something that happen in the locker room, but we're not gonna talk about much on-field shit, which is wild because this is like going into the era of the early 60s Yankees with Mantle and Maris and all that kind of stuff,

and we don't even have time for it. It's just not even a factor. It's a blip. Watch 61, that Billy Crystal made movie with Barry Pepper in it and Tom Jane from the 2000s if you wanna know more about that. So spring of 1959, he is going to the Fargo-Moorhead Twins of the Class C Northern League.

Class C organization. That's Class C. He hit 283 with 35 doubles, 12 triples, 14 homers that year. And then 1960 went up to class A ball of the Binghamton triplets of the Eastern League. And he's also knows that he met a girl now that he likes named Barbara. And he is going to really put her through the wringer and completely, completely pretty much destroy her life for a while Yeah, this is gonna be there's gonna be a lot here

He says this is from his book again quote while I was seeing Barbara and waiting for the minor league spring training camp to open I asked permission of the Yankees to work out at Miller Huggins field with the regulars They already had started getting in shape and Casey Stengel was the manager. Oh Stengel yeah, you know Stengel is the guy He's like Yogi Berra where he has a million quotes that are Stengel was the manager. Oh. Stengel, yeah, you know, Stengel is the guy, he's like Yogi Berra where he has a million quotes that are Stengelisms, these weird quotes. He managed the Yankees for a shitload of years, all through the 40s and 50s, and he's got a ton of rings,

and he's just legendary, and he's nuts. He's just a nuts old guy. He said, quote, I was six feet, one inch tall, and still weighed 140 pounds Oh wow that's in as a beanpole with his nose, too. That's really gonna make it good. Yeah He's gonna look like the fucking Froot Loops to can He said I don't think the Yankees had ever before seen a player as skinny as me the uniform They gave me was so big it flapped He said but that wasn't why everyone was laughing at me.

The uniform number was 69. Which, they give you a high number. If you get over 50, it means, back in the day, it used to mean you're not gonna be here when the season starts. They give you a better number if you're lower. But nowadays, some guys want that kind of shit. But 69, he said, guys kept kidding me about it

and I'd smile back but I didn't know what the hell they meant until somebody told me. So he had no idea why they were even laughing at him. Ah, he just thought it was a dirty number. He thought it was, yeah, he's like, oh, I guess this is a stupid number, I guess I suck. You know, and they're like, no, stupid, this is, You're not gonna be here.

You know, no, it's not that, it's also the sexual connotation. Yeah, right. Right. He knew that it was, he knew he thought they were laughing at him because it was high and he didn't want it. It wasn't going to be there. Oh, the opposite.

The opposite. He had no idea about the sexual connotation of it. Ha. What? No clue. He didn't know what 69 was. How old are you? Yeah.

He just thought they were laughing at him because obviously 69 ain't going to be here in April. Instead it was they were like, dude, you're,, dude, you're eating pussy and getting your blood at the same time. You got pussy blow on your back. Yeah, that's what's going on here. You don't get it. He said, Stengel was beautiful.

He called me pepperon instead of Pepitone. Not bad. Pepperon and talked to me a mile a minute for about 10 minutes one day and then he had me sit next to him in the dugout during an intra-squad game watch this mr. scour and around first pepperone he said I've I had been watching him and scour and moved like a dump truck that's moose scour and by the way it's a man named moose that's what they call him so you can imagine I imagine yeah not real light on his feet not a yeah you know not a gold Glover or anything not Not a dancer. Yeah, he said, Casey, I'm an outfielder,

but I can play first better than that. And he ends up, by the way, he's going to end up playing first and eventually replacing Scowron at first base. Oh. That's why he was telling them to watch. There's no room for you in the outfield, because it's Mantle and Maris out there.

You think you're going to break it. And then Tom Tresh, who is also a good player, not breaking into that outfield. So. Not going to happen. No, he said, in in 1959 I was moved up to class C ball playing with Fargo Morehead and he talks about that he said that fall I went back to the instructional school in St. Petersburg only this time I stayed out of trouble. Cleet Boyer the Yankees regular third baseman who was at school

to work on his hitting Rich Barry and I went out quite a bit and did a lot of kidding around in the locker room I and did a lot of kidding around in the locker room. I always did a lot of kidding because I always had this tremendous need for people to like me. Okay, Barbara though is the girl he likes. He said, I spent most of my free time with Barbara because I was in love, or I thought I was in love.

Well, that'll happen. He said, I turned 19 on October 9th, 1959. Yeah, a lot of us think we're in love when we're 19 It's pretty easy. Yep, and I was finally starting to pull out to fill out a bit not to pull out a bit It's finally getting my pullout game going They began to look a little less like a Robin, but I was still very much a baby mentally and emotionally We were engaged to be married in December Jesus Christ jumping right already already

He said it seemed like the thing to do at the time Just what I needed until the night before the wedding when my first doubts arose in my mind Little late for that chief. Yeah, see what I mean. Yeah, he said naturally I didn't heed them Barbara and I never made it never made it and all the time we'd been going together. They never fucked They're literally gonna fuck on their wedding night Wow And the night before he's like, uh-oh, and he said yeah now we've never been since we've been going together No balling whatsoever It's the old guys always call fucking balling, which is hilarious to me

It was just a lot of hugging and kissing and getting getting excited and then going home and playing with myself She said she was a virgin and that we should wait and that was cool with me. Oh my God, this is another time in another place right here. Wow, he said, but the night before the wedding I was staying at the Kogerman's house and when it got late and her parents went to bed I snuck into Barbara's room, so at their house.

And so, yeah. We started kissing and fondling and panting and what the hell, we'd be man and wife in a few hours. I forced it and the next thing I knew was great disillusionment. I don't know if he forced it that way or if he talked her into it or whatever the deal is, but that's not great.

Then he said- Casually admits to maybe raping somebody? Possibly raping his future bride the night before their wedding. That's not- What the hell? We'll be man and wife soon. That's not even close to the weirdest thing he's going to admit to. Oh boy.

Yeah. So then he said, quote, what's this about? What about this? I said to her, you said you were a virgin. I am, she said. I used to do a lot of horseback riding. Meaning, already. What is happening? There was no blood? So he has a cat? Exactly. That's the question? He was like, I thought you were a virgin. And if you ride horses, anybody that rides horses has no hymen. That'll snap it right out. Right away. That's a...

They call this one the hymen popper. That's the big just a little. That'll snap it right out, yeah. Right away, that's a. Yeah. They call this one the hymen popper that's the big horse on the, in the barn. We call her hymenia, she's taken many. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha. Look at her back. Look at her, yeah, it's covered, it's really gross. But that's okay, you know what,

this is a fun job as she knows it. He says, I didn't sleep much that night. I lay there thinking, should I marry this girl? Then I realized how silly I was. He didn't believe her that she was a virgin. He thought she was lying to him. She'd been lying to me this whole time. She's gonna lie about that.

What won't she lie about? Well, he said there were ways to lose a hymen other than through sex, and I didn't believe Barbara would lie. Okay. So, yeah. I was in love with Barbara, who was so pretty and so nice, I needed her.

The next day. And she just gave you sex, too. Yeah, she just gave you sex on the guise of, we're gonna be married tomorrow anyway, so you better marry her now, otherwise, super shitty. The next day we were married and I felt great, but in no time at all there were problems. We lived with her parents initially,

waiting for spring training to start. That's a nightmare They had liked me when we were going together always welcomed me seemed to enjoy talking to me Then we lived with them had a few normal newlywed disagreements and her parents turned on me They treated me as if I weren't there. Well, what did you say? I mean honestly, hey listen Yeah, I so what I called your daughter a mean, honestly. Hey, listen. So what? I called your daughter a filthy twat. What's the difference? I called her a lion, whore, twat, fucking cunt.

I don't get what the problem is. I came home from work and I expect some dinner on the table. I mean, Jesus. I don't care who cooks it. It's just dinner. You know what I mean? You could cook it if you want. I expect her to cook it, but if you want to cook it, that's fine too.

Hey, want to help your daughter? Procure dinner. That's what I want. I expect her to cook it but if you want to cook it that's fine too. Hey, I want to help you do it. Procure dinner, that's what I want. I don't care where it comes from. Dinner on table. January 5th, 1960 is the wedding day here. It's funny too, they hear us from a Binghamton sports writer. Described him as darkly handsome. Pepitone stood at 6'2 and weighed 178 pounds. Once boasting ahead of curly hair, he conformed to baseball's shorter, sometimes shorn style, but not voluntarily. After Pepitone refused a mandate to get a haircut, the Yankee management took matters into their own hands and clippers to ensure Pepitone's shorter locks. They just did it on their own. They full metal jacketed him basically. They just pinned him down and were like, let's go, pile.

Fucking here comes the hair. It's your choice. Your way or our way. That's how the Yankees were though. I mean, they were, Jesus Christ, they were pretty, they still are, you're still not allowed to have a beard. You can have a dumb, puffy, child molester Fred Goldman mustache, no problem.

That's perfectly, you can look like an insane carnival barker and they're happy with that. But you can't just have a normal, nicely trimmed beard. That's wild to me. They shaved Johnny Damon down for Christ's sake. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They made him shave down, which he needed to by the way. He looked ridiculous. He was getting real James Harden-y out there. It was like, okay, he's starting to by the way. He looked ridiculous. He was getting real James Hardeny out there.

It was like, okay, he's starting to look dirty now. They brought his ass over from the Red Sox and said, not in our clubhouse, pal. Leave that shit outside. We'll give you 140 million, but Clippers are by the door. So he said, the more depressed I got, the worse my attitude got. I began playing like I didn't give a shit,

which I did, but this was kind of a defense, I guess. I began playing like I didn't give a shit, which I did, but this was kind of a defense, I guess. I stopped hustling after balls, stopped running as hard as I could on grounders, I hit to the infield. It just got so bad, the Yankees sent me, sent a special coach to talk to me, Bill Skiff. My average was around 220. I'd show no power and it looked like I wasn't even trying. Who is he? Samson? That's, he's just, see, they cut his hair. No, the hair came later,? He's just, see they cut his hair. No, the hair came later, but he's just depressed. He doesn't like living with his fucking in-laws that hate him

and he's just, I think he's, I don't know what his deal is here, Joe's an emotional guy. Yeah, yeah. He's an emotional guy too. Where's it on his sleeve, James? Yep, he does, and on his head too, as we'll find out. He wears something on his head. What?

Skiff came over to me after it came and said what's the problem Joe the problem is I'm all fucked up I said That's one way to put it. Yeah I said I said feeling the moisture swell behind my eyes baseball is all fucked up and I want to go home fuck the Yankees What that's what he told him fuck the Yankees? He said hotly listen you clown the Yankees are the best organization in baseball and you're damn lucky to be with them. They sent me here special just to help you out. Now stop feeling sorry for yourself and start playing baseball, god damn it!

There's no crying in baseball. Yeah, no crying in baseball. That's how depression was treated in 1959. That's the baseball version of cheer up, bitch. I don't know. Yeah. Here, I'll write it down like a prescription if you'd like cheer up comma bitch. There you go Enjoy the best organization of baseball and you're sitting here crying. How dare you? Yeah, you have a job motherfucker Like back in the day they didn't understand that yeah, you know and swing the fucking bat you dipshit and the older generations Don't really understand any kind of depression Yeah, they don't really understand any kind of depression. Yeah.

They don't understand feelings. Fuck depression. No, if I told my grandmother, if I told Italian grandma I'm depressed, she'd go, for what? What are you talking about? You know, like are you starving? Is the SS hunting you down?

What the fuck do you care? Was it 1920? What depression? Yeah, there's no depression. What do you mean? Yeah, she would not have that at all. You have food, don't you? I don't know what the problem is.

Like, what's your story? Smile the Sun will come out. Maybe tomorrow apparently it worked Really? Yeah, she told me that's what they saw they gave him the Annie song and they said well Yeah, the Sun will come out tomorrow and the following spring I hit well in Florida around 500 with power Wow It's all shut the fuck up quit being a little bitch and he was like, okay Yep, I will. I made the Amarillo ball club in the Texas league, double A ball, even though I started slowly

and I didn't get down on myself, I had my confidence now. And I knew that if I kept taking my natural swing, the hits would start coming. So he did it for the Amarillo Gold Sox. He hit 316 with 21 homers and 87 ribbies, which is pretty fucking good. He does very well here. He's on the Texas League All-Star team and all that. And he also had some fun.

How so? Well, quote, Texas is where I started banging around a bit at night. Gals or drinking? Yeah, hanging out, fucking, both, drinking and fucking. As most players did when we were on the road, I didn't have a lot of luck picking up chicks, but the hooker scene was fun.

Ah! I've been there, all right. Particularly in San Antonio. You're not a pay-for-it guy, though. No, I'm just saying, I've been there where that like, what's the difference? Oh, where it seems like an option at that point. It's absolutely an option.

100% I would. The difference is you didn't and they did. They didn't, yeah. Yeah, and he's like, he's like, that's not bad. This San Antonio hooker seems fine. Because that's where he said, particularly in San Antonio.

He said, hell, just hanging around saloons in San Antonio was fun. One night after- In what year? 1960. Wow. Must have been some wild times back then. 1960 saloons. Amarillo's wild now.

That must have been crazy shit back then. He said, one night after a bunch of drinks, another player named Joe Miller and I came into the hotel where the club was staying at about 4 a.m. Sheriff Robinson was our manager and he relied on the elevator operator at this hotel to report the late players. We hated that stool pigeon who was this night asleep in a chair just outside the elevator. We got down on the floor crawled past him into the car and closed the door It banged shut woke up the old stool pigeon and he started hollering

We took the elevator up but stopped between the third and fourth floors smart move I climbed through the trap door in the ceiling and Pride open the door to the fourth floor. These guys are insane. What? See what pussy will do to you. The Jim Bouton book, they talk about beaver shooting that they would do, which was peeping Tom shit. These are some of the most famous people in the world. There's Mickey Mantle is on the roof of a hotel with binoculars and a bunch of guys giggling like they're 12 running around trying to see in windows to see girls undressing. That's literally what they were doing. Doing incredibly illegal things. Guys like hanging off the flagpole

like I mean, incredibly dangerous. There could be a story in the morning. Mickey Mantle plummets to death from hotel roof. And it would that he was just trying to look at some pussy. That's crazy. That's insane. Baseball fucking Pirates of the Caribbean ride. That's how they all used to be. Jim Bouten said guys used to have beaver shooting kits. Kits? Kits, where they'd have different, you know, different like a telescope, a thing, beaver shoots. Yeah, they had little hand drills to drill through hotel walls to see into people's rooms

and shit. Yeah, little mirrors that they could see into, like under doors of the hotel. The Aaron Andrews kind of thing. Yeah, that's what they were doing. Wow. But they were all doing it, they just thought it was good fun back then. I guess the difference is they're not recording it

and jerking off to it later or selling it. No, no, no, they're selling it or putting it online. They're just spank banking it for later? Or are they tugging right then? No, no, no, it was fun. It was just like a thing to get away with. I saw it, yeah. Like hee hee hee and they'd run away giggling

like they were 12. I don't understand. I don't get it, I don't know. Different atmosphere. Then again, even in like early 80s movies, every like, you know, teen movie has the boys doing something to look, the porkies looking into the shower and that was considered like, hey, if they they can see it then it's that's a

win. Cover up that pussy if you don't want it seen I don't know what to tell you. I'll tell you never have it out never unsheath it. Yeah I'm sorry do it at home and make sure the doors are locked the windows are closed I don't know what to say. Never shower. No man so he's prying open the door here though to the fourth floor Joe Miller climbed up behind me and we looked through the peephole of the door. All you could see was the shaft, no car. We snuck down to the third floor and checked the peephole there. It's perfect, I said. Let's go to bed. So they were looking the peephole of the elevator doors and you couldn't see the elevator. So it

looked like the elevator was nowhere because it was right in between the floors. So the old stool pigeon called our manager, Sheriff Robinson, and said, one of your goddamn players stole my elevator. Because he can't find it. He can't find it. So he said, how the hell can anyone steal an elevator? Have you been drinking? Is what the sheriff said.

What the fuck is wrong with you? He said, no, I've been sleeping and my elevator's gone. I checked every floor and it's gone. One of your goddamn players took it. An elevator, an entire elevator. How do they take that? That would be hard. A little while later, the phone in my room woke me up.

I looked at my watch and said into the phone, who the fuck is this at five o'clock in the morning? I hear, you know who it is. This is Skip Robinson. And very loudly, he said, quote, I want you to tell me why you stole the hotel elevator. Where's the elevator? And what the hell you did with it?

Where is it? We can't even find it. You stole it. Where'd you leave it? Did you pawn the elevator at four o'clock in the morning? He said, Skip, what the hell are you talking about? I've been asleep for hours. Why do you call me and blame me?

It really pisses me off that I get blamed for everything. Ah, he's gotta do that, though. The manager said, don't try to talk your way out of it, Peppy. I know you stole that goddamn elevator. He said, Skip, I didn't steal no elevator. He said, damn it, let me talk to Miller. Put him on the phone. Why don't you find Willy Wonka?

Maybe he wrote it out. I don't know, up through the ceiling. Is there a hole in the roof? Jack, you might have kidnapped a child and taken him on a little weird Jeffrey Epstein air tour. We don't know. Willy Wonka, the original Epstein. Yeah.

It's like child seven. It is. It's gone. Seven for kids. Oh my god. So he says, he's asleep, Skip. And he says, wake him up. Said Joe Miller had his face in his pillow

to muffle the laughter, but he had control of himself and took the phone. Yeah, he's dying laughing. Hell no, Skip, Peppy didn't steal no elevator. We've been in the room since 11 o'clock, I swear. And then you hear a pause and he says, okay, good night, Skip. See you tomorrow.

That's it, they just, they didn't know. So they said the hotel manager and the old stool pigeon finally opened the lobby elevator door and looked up the shaft and saw the car, but they haven't had a hell of a time getting to it. Down with stoolies, he says. He's got to climb down to it. He's got to, yeah, this is probably some older fat guy now. He's got to climb through a fucking, he's probably terrified.

A guy that sleeps on a fucking stool, James. Yeah, literally a probably terrified. A guy that sleeps on a fucking stool, James. Yeah, literally, a stool pigeon. Yeah. Absolutely. He said 1962 was spring training, and he's going, this was after the 61 Yankees and all that kind of thing, and, you know, huge deal. So he goes to the Yankees in 1961. He's gonna have some kids here too, as we'll talk about.

Out of this one, he's gonna have a son, Joe Jr. of course. Of course Joe Pepitone Jr. will be born around this time. And BJ Pepitone as well. And then he'll have daughters later on with somebody else. So we'll talk about that. Bet that J stands for Joseph in that second one. Probably, yeah, it probably is. Probably like Brian Joseph or something.

His daughter, with Barbara he has, I believe, Eileen and Joe Jr., and then he has the rest with somebody else. So, 1962, and this is a thing they used to do back in the day, I've heard this from a lot of old players, books and shit, is if you're a rookie, you get no calls from the Ups. Oh?

The Ups haze you worse than the players do, by far. They fuck with you. They don't give you shit. You haven't earned anything. Is that part of why being a rookie and being a real good rookie is such an impressive thing? Well, not really because you just have to swing a lot as a rookie. That's your thing, which is good because people will probably throw you a lot of strikes because they're not afraid of you So that's why guys have great rookie years and terrible sophomore years

Yeah, it's because they're throwing you curveballs in your sophomore year. Yeah, usually your rookie year You'll be hitting behind someone who's really good and they're not afraid of you So you're getting a lot of fastballs down the middle, which is the easiest thing for hitter to hit so and And if you miss it you're if they miss the plate, you're getting ahead of the count fast. Yeah, that too. So exactly, they're just not afraid of you. You're gonna have to put in, you have to like earn, you have to hit yourself into getting a reputation

that you don't wanna throw it down the middle to you. So he said, my first at bat in the majors taught me a lesson. The first pitch was way up around my shoulders and the ump said, strike. Oh. I stepped out of the box, shoulders and the ump said strike. I stepped out of the box, turned to the ump and said, what the fuck is this? Which your first at bat is a good way to get thrown out. The pitch was at my shoulders. They got better umpires in the minors is what he said to the ump. He stepped right over to me, his face six inches from mine. Listen, you guinea bastard, from now on,

you better be swinging at every pitch, he said. Ah, I'm calling them all. Yeah, that's what they used to do, it's all strikes. He said, well, I'll tell you something, you blind bastard. I'm gonna be swinging at every pitch because you're horse shit. And I have to, because I have no choice. I know it, I will. He said, that's one reason why I never walked much

in the majors, why I always went up there swinging. I swung at the second pitch that day and hit it with double play. I went back to the dugout mumbling about the fucking umpire. Mickey Mantle came over to me and said, don't mess with that guy. He always tests rookies. Thanks for the early warning, Mick. So yeah, I could have told him that ahead of time. This 62 team is Elston Howard, Moose Scowron, Bobby Richardson, Tom Tresh, Cleet Boyer, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Yogi Berra is still on the fucking team playing utility. Yeah, there's a lot of this is the tail end Whitey Ford still pitching. This is like, you know, legendary fucking guys here.

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So he hangs out, now that you're a Yankee, now you don't hang out at some saloon in Amarillo. It's a different story now. Now he hangs out at the fucking Copacabana, baby. Oh, is that right? Yeah, so if you don't know what that is, legendarily huge nightclub where all the stars hang out back in the day.

Stars and mobbed up folks, it's a whole scene. It's a whole scene. If you've ever seen Goodfellas, it's where Henry Hill and Karen went through the kitchen, and Frankie Valli sent us a bottle of champagne and all that shit, that's the copa. What do you do? I'm in contracts.

I'm a union delegate. You don't feel like you're in construction. I'm in construction. I'm a union delegate. You don't feel like you're in construction. I'm in construction. I'm a union delegate. So he said that Coppa was also liberally sprinkled with older Italians in dark expensive suits who sent drinks over to our table and came over to meet me. Many of them spoke in very deep, hoarse voices as they wished me well with great sincerity." Quote, you gotta make us Italians proud, Joey.

Don't you fuck this up for us. I'm telling you, it's a huge deal when there's a Yankee star. The new guy Anthony Volpe that came up last year, I'm telling you, people would kill for this guy because he's a fucking Italian Yankee. It's crazy. He said, quote, we read all about you. There aren't many Italians in the big leagues with your kind of ability. We're counting on you to make us all proud. Come on. This is on you now. Yup. He said then they'd walk away with their huge diamond rings and Carmine or one of the

other maitre d's would say, that's a very important man, Joe, and not a pet. Very important. Don't fuck with that man. Don't ruin that guy's life. If he'd like to be proud, you should facilitate that. You should probably make him fucking proud. Make him proud. He said, translation, those are racket guys, some of the biggest names in the New York area.

Because only the, you had to have money to go hang out at the Copa, so these weren't a lot of low-level shitheel guys, too. There's a lot of important guys that had a lot of pull going on. He said, I started hanging out at the Copa. So these weren't a lot of like low-level shit heel guys too. There's a lot of important guys that had a lot of pull going on. He said, I started hanging out at the Copa without Barbara because the second time I went there alone the racket guys not only made me feel good, but they invited me to go to one of their private after hours places. Oh yeah. There's girls and stuff. There's going to be all sorts of shit. None of them had their wives with them.

They were out for a good time, and to them, good times meant sex. Yep. And not with each other, I assume. Right. Not with fat, greasy Tony over here. He said, these guys had chicks in every burrow who welcomed them and their friends with open thighs. Ah!

Joe. Joe, Joe, Joe. Wow. No chatting, no courting, no nothing. You just walk in and fucking take your pants off and start plowing. Wow. These are just you're ready made hoes as fucking unbelievable. Yep. He said this was a different type of sex than I'd ever known. I didn't have to go out and meet a girl and go through the whole big routine to get her into the sack. The girls were there.

They'd say, quote, Joey, I'd like you to meet this girl, a racket guy would say. You'd like her. She's got all the moves. I mean, nice. Here, take this number. Ginny. I mean, nice.

I mean, nice. That's his whole sentence. I mean, comma, nice. I know exactly how that's said. I mean, nice. Nice. Nice. Here, take this. I know exactly how that said. I mean nice nice Here take this girl. He said here take this number Ginny mention my name say I thought the two of you would like each other Ah, it's like I do

If you're in He said we might like each other. I don't know that means all right pull it out Vinny said we might like each other I mean, I don't know what that means. All right, pull it out. Vinnie said we might like each other. I mean, I don't know. I guess that means you fucked him. I guess you fuck. And part of this too, he's a goddamn, he's an Italian Yankee. So there's burros full of girls that will happily bang him too. So he doesn't really need this, but this is easier, I guess. You don't even have to talk to these guys the way he's looking at it. He said he'd hand me the phone number, I'd call. Terrific.

She'd say at 4.30 in the morning. Terrific. 4.30 in the morning he'd call. Terrific. Terrific. She'd meet me at the door in a see-through robe or bare ass naked and say hi. And sure enough she'd have all the moves and then some. Wow.

This is some kind of wild style life going on here, man. That is a life I could, my word. This is a lot. How would this not get overwhelming after a while? Yeah, but doesn't that make you really wanna fuckin' hit? Like I would, boy would I make them proud. That's what I mean. Your whole life would be like, this is crazy.

I'm gonna make sure they are proud every day of if I hit 275 yeah I can make phone calls at 430 in the morning and naked women will answer doors. It's a pretty great life. Pride is a wonderful thing everybody. So yeah he said no, no bullshitting around, instant flesh on flesh, flesh in flesh, and yeah, screams of pleasure. At least I thought they were, and many of them certainly were, passion, which translated to me as, I not only love you, Joe,

but you're great, an all-star lover. My grandfather once told me he was proud of me. Never this. No, this is a better, what kind of proud did he give you? His proud of me. Never this. No, this is a better price. What kind of proud did he give you? Whose number did he give you? Bullshit. Yeah. Whose number did he give you? He's a guy you can get a paper route through. Yeah. If you call him and call him and tell him I sent you, he'll hire you to deliver papers at 4 30 in the morning, not get pussy at 4 30 in the morning. Never. Wow. He said, the racket guys really pushed me to do well.

They kept saying, you gotta make us proud. So when you go out there, we want you to bear down, do good. And if we can help you in any way, in any way at all, Joey, you just let us know. Mostly these phone numbers. It's fucking dangerous, actually. It gets a little bit dangerous when you have these guys get that involved with you. This happened, too, to Bruno San Martino. When he would, the wrestler, he would get in the big feuds.

The guys back then, they didn't fucking know it was fake or whatever. A lot of the people used to think that all the rest of the matches were fake, but Bruno's matches were real. That was a literal thing that adult people thought. What the fuck, man. The emotion he'd bring out in people. He would have these beefs and guys would come up to him

and say, that son of a bitch, I saw what he fucking did to you. I'll fucking cut his throat. We're gonna take care of that son of a bitch. You don't even fucking worry about it. He's not gonna go, I heard he's gonna be in Boston. He ain't gonna be in Boston. He ain't gonna make it.

And Bruno'll go, no, no, no, no, I gotta take care of it. This is for my pride and I gotta take care. I You know this is for my pride, and I got to take care I can't have nobody fighting my battles and blah blah blah cuz it's fake you fucking moron don't kill a man for this We're and we hang out together Yeah Our wives and us we all go out to dinner. This is insane so this is what happened He said one night I'll be god damned if a couple of them didn't think they'd come up with a way for me to get off the bench

Because he's a you know, you rookie guys platooning. Yeah He said we were sitting around an after-hours place when this guy turned to me very seriously nodding his head quote We're gonna help you get out. We're gonna help you out with that little problem. You got with scouring Who scour in the first place? I said what, what do you mean? He said he's gonna have a little accident. He's not gonna play baseball for a little bit. This is crazy. They're gonna fucking kill a man named Moose for Christ's sake. For no reason. He's gonna have an accident. He said no, no, I'll win the job on my own

next year. That's baseball. That's how it works. And they said, Joey, why wait? Why waste time? Well, take care. What? Six months from now. It's ridiculous. We'll just do it now. We'll just destroy a man's life and career for no reason. It's got nothing wrong to us. You might take a fall. You never know. He said, we'll just get in touch with him after a game and the next day you got the job. No problem He won't play real good with cracks in his legs. Oh my god We're just gonna break this guy's legs for no reason. He won't play real good. He said quote shit No, don't do that. I pleaded he said yeah Joey another guy said he's not supposed to be playing ahead of an Italian. Yeah, he's not supposed to be what does that mean?

That's the rules. That's crazy. Where's that in the bylaws of the league? Yeah, it's in the union contract. So one bounce over the wall, that's a dub. That's a ground rule double. Ground rule double. Yeah. And guys named Moose don't start ahead of Italians. Subsection Q. Not ahead of the old country. Paragraph one. I see. Okay. Nevermind. You're right, you know what, you're right. He said, they were not kidding.

I finally made them promise not to go near Moose Scourin. Wow. Because they thought maybe they'd get an idea. Yeah. How does he not tell Moose, whatever you do, don't go to this bar or this bar or this bar? He said, I began to see that while being around these guys could be fun, it could also be a little frightening. Of course, I was floating so high at this time with my whole glorious future in front of

me that I wasn't really frightened of anything." Okay. Okay. Now, his hair is a hilarious source of entertainment here for everybody because he starts losing his hair pretty early on here. Oh no. Early 20s and by later he's going to have like a whole kit for his hair, like different rugs and all sorts of shit. Oh no. Early twenties and by later he's gonna have like a whole kit for his hair like Really?

Different rugs and all sorts of shit. Oh no! Oh it's hilarious. He's embarrassed? He has no shame about, oh no he has no shame about, no everyone knows he's got a rug and everything. That's the thing. He'll tell anybody, he doesn't care.

But why do it then? If everybody knows. He doesn't want to be bald. I guess for the ladies I don't fucking know. Oh my god. He said I was only 21 years old but I was already starting to lose my hair in front I used to stand in front of a mirror for a half hour combing it padding it telling it to hang in there fellas We'll not do it hang in there fellas

Give it a pep talk stick around guys. Maybe if I make the follicles feel good about themselves. They'll stick around Tried words of affirmation? Oh my god. He said, I do this before a game and after a game. Of course everyone would notice and make fun of me, but it was good nature. It's something I came to expect and even look forward to. That was the way I was. Wow.

He said he didn't care. Now in 1962, in the middle of June, there's an article here in the newspaper, and I'm going to show you just so you know Just so you know I'm not making it up. Oh Why do you say this The headline is this is June 3rd 1962 in the progress bulletin newspaper another pizza eater for NY Joe Pepitone pizza eater eater for NY Joe Pepitone. Pizza eater. Oh pasta sucker. What the fuck is that about?

Yeah. He said with the celebrated Yogi Barrow reduced to the status of a part-time outfielder, the Yankees are banking on the 21 year old Joe Pepitone to perpetuate their line of fine Italian hands. You know the Parmesan slinger. He's going to have it on there. That's what he does when he hits a home run is he's trotting around the bases. He leaves a trail of Parmesan behind him. That's a fucking, so everybody knows. The rosin bag's just a bunch of fucking Romano. He said, through the years, the Yankees pie in the sky has been pizza. Un-fucking-believable.

And it's paid rich dividends. The Italian touch was first acquired with Ping Bodhi, who was born French, a Frenchetto sanguinatia pizzola in the, a little round outfielder in 1918, but really became important when the, when Tony Lazare came up from Salt Lake in 1926 to be, Tony Lazare, sorry, not Lazare, Lazare, then followed Frank Corsetti, the matchless DiMaggio, Phil Rizzuto, Vic Rashie, Yogi Berra, and now Joe Pepitone. So yeah, he said, Pepitone comes to the New York club a little ahead of the others. He's already had a pie named after him.

Joe played as a semi-professional you see with Nathan's famous hot dogs of Coney Island. If you think the Italian strain isn't important at the box office, consider that official figures show that there are two and a half million people of that extraction in New York at the moment. Is that right? Fuck, that must have been a good time for us. 2.5 million. God damn it.

That's how many are in Italy. Yeah, there's a shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, more than that, but doing it in one place. Yeah, it's in one city. Yeah, now we're all spread out and now we've been watered down a lot too. So it's different. It's a different thing. I said that's more one city. Yeah, now we're all spread out and now we've been watered down a lot too. So it's different It's a different thing. I said that's more than the population of Rome. So there you go

Okay Yeah Just the capital there if you take the entire metropolitan area The figure is even more staggering and you'll hardly find a good fan without a trace of Italian heritage within the boundaries Who isn't a rabid Yankee Rooter and the Italians are noticeably enthusiastic about anything they like We're passionate people. Yeah Thank you and Lazari, Korsetti, DiMaggio, Little Scooter, Rizzuto, Rashi and Barra were and Pepitone is now something to get excited about About Pepitone is flamboyant starting with his tag that could be a good trade name for a toothpaste or a hi-fi set

I don't know what the fuck that means. Pepitone? Pepit, I guess just Pepitone. Yeah, yeah, you could have a Pepitone brand stereo. Yeah. That sounds like a real good toothpaste. Yeah. Pepitone, bright white, yeah. It's not bad.

Pepitone does sound like a stereo. A stereo hi-fi, yeah. That's a good, like back then I got a new hi-fi. It's a Pepitone. It's a Pepitone. Oh, listen, sweet tones coming. One of those big ones. You open the top and you put the record in. One of those big cabinets. back then I got a new Hi-Fi, it's a Pepitone. It's a Pepitone. Oh, listen, sweet tones coming over there.

You open the top and you put the record in, one of those big cabinets. He said, the work goes on, Ron Solomini out of Long Island University is battling so well for Amarillo of the Texas league that the front office considered moving him up to Richmond. Well, he never made it anywhere, so we know that. Lou Romanucci is a promising 20-year-old right-handed pitcher in the Florida State League. The way things are, you'd think they'd play the Garibaldi him with the Star Spangled Banner before games

at Yankee Stadium. Garibaldi him. Pizza eaters. So, wow. He spends part of his 62 season in the Miners because he tries to, I guess during a June road trip, Pepitone wanted to take off at 1.30 a.m. when that's past curfew.

So when I guess he saw the Yankees GM and manager exit the elevator, he snuck in past them. So he said they saw him and he made an excuse about he was looking for his roommate and you know blah blah blah blah blah. So they ended up saying oh yeah you're looking for your roommate. They went in and he was in bed already. His roommate. There he is.

Get in. That's a lie. So he got shipped down to the miners for that. For fucking around. Yeah. So that's kind of tough there. He does get two of his seven home runs came in the majors in one day on May 23rd

against the Kansas City A's, and he had two home runs, and he was very excited. Two home runs in one inning, by the way. Oh. Yes, he was one of only 14 players that hit two home runs in one inning up to that point. Yeah, because you gotta get through the whole fucking lineup. through the whole fucking line up and then do it again. And then do it again. There's only one guy who's hit two grand slams in an inning.

Who's that? Fernando Tatis, not junior senior. He was at 99 or something. He did that for the card to grand slams in the same fucking inning. Yeah, that's why it's only happened once in, you know, 25 million at bats that have happened in the majors. It's pretty wild. If you can get through the lineup twice like that, you should probably at least get several RBIs, whether or not it's two Grand Slams. Yeah, but two actual Grand Slam home runs.

That's impressive. You know, I mean, not in your control of it to come up with the bases loaded twice. That just happens, and then you happen to hit home runs. It's pretty pretty impressive here, but the Yankees Well, we'll start with Pepitone here on the Yankees He hit 239 with seven homers that year and got sent down But the Yankees ended up going all the way to the World Series against the San Francisco Giants and winning the World Series that year Oh damn it. So that cost him, yeah. Yeah.

That was tough. But yeah, the Yankees won. The 1963 Yankees trade Moose Scourin away. Luckily, Moose doesn't know how lucky he is that he got traded, but... He doesn't know how lucky he is that Pepitone got sent down. But Pepitone wasn't a scumbag and was like, yeah, break his fucking legs, that'd be great.

So they couldn't have sent him down then. Right. When they decided to send me down, maybe I changed my mind at that point. You know what, maybe Moose does need the limp. They may have called me back up. Fuck it, that's what I mean, we need a first baseman. So this makes Pepitone the starting first baseman for 63.

And he said, this is, Pepitone tells a story about Moose. He He says moose was always on my ass about my partying all the Yankees were like that in those days Don't fuck with my money get home early. That's the way it was they ruined with they roomed me with moose one time He really went to bed at 10 o'clock and drank milk and all that shit Wow, so everybody else is going out party and yeah all doing all this. He was actually. He was drinking warm milk and climbing into bed at 10 o'clock. Yep. He said, I went out one night with Billy Hunter, and Moose said, if you're not home by one o'clock curfew,

I'm putting the chain on the door. Ha ha ha ha ha. What is he, a pissed off wife? Locking it and telling everybody. I'm shutting the light off and fucking putting the chain on. Ha ha ha ha. He said, I came home about three in the morning,

bombed out of my head with Billy Hunter. Sure as shit the chain was on the door. He wasn't kidding. Sleep out in the hallway, he yelled out. I kicked the door down. Now we're getting in trouble. The chain went flying and he grabbed me. I weighed about 175 pounds at the time and Moose weighed about 220. His name is Moose. Waste about as the time and moose weighed about 220 his name is Moose I said oh fuck That was dumb the net he was shitface the next day Ralph Howe came to me and said you're not rumored with moose anymore

He doesn't want you. No, I know Yeah, good deal. So 63 Yankees here. They finish 104 and 57, which is good enough to go to the World Series that year, but they lose to the Dodgers in the World Series that year. And that's Kofax, Drysdale, that whole mess. And yeah, Elston Howard, Joe Pepitone, kind of the same team. Mickey Mantle's hurt a lot now. He's starting to get injured all the time here. So Trash is going to fill in in center and Whitey Ford still pitching. Here's some snippets about Joe here. This is from Jim Bouten's book Ball Four, which I've said a hundred times. It's excellent. Check it out if you like baseball stories. He said, ovations are nice and some guys sort of milk them like Joe Pepitone. If he had just the touch of an injury, he'd squirm on the ground for a while and then stand up gamely and he'd get his ovation.

After a while, the fans got onto him though and he needed to at least have a broken leg for them to move them. Like, get up, Pepitone, we know you want an ovation. Shut up. He's selling it a little hard. Here's another prank. This is called the hot foot,

which I think we've talked about in baseball. Have we? Yeah, well we've seen it definitely because we've seen it in like major league and shit. This is where guys light each other's shoelaces on fire while they're sitting on the bench and they don't notice and all of a sudden they go, Jesus Christ and their foot's on fire.

And then they start stomping it, yeah. And they start stomping. That's a little joke that guys do. That's a funny joke. That's hilarious, yeah. They put a whole thing of matches, you know, like tucked in. Fire, that's funny.

Fire on their shoe. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Guys, whole legs get set on fire sometimes. Yeah, because fire goes up. That's fucking crazy. It's rough, and yeah, interesting. Some guys don't notice it right away. Right.

So he says, this is Jim Bouten again, one of the great hot foots of all time was administered by Joe Pepitone to Phil Linds The beauty part was that Pepitone Was giving a hot foot to somebody else at the time and just as he started to turn around and grin At the havoc he had wrought a look of horror crossed his face as he began to do an Indian dance The hot footer had been hot-footed himself. Joe Pepitone's a gas So yeah, he's fucking was being set on fire while he was lighting someone else on fire yeah

while he was doing that apparently there was some a lot of fighting going on one day when people were throwing at Joe Pepitone during a game here he says Barry Latman hit Pepitone on the right wrist in the third inning of a game on August 21st. He said sending pain shooting up to my elbow and then in the eighth Gary Bell threw a fastball behind Pepitone and then his next pitch threw it right in his ribs. Oh my god why are they throwing at him? Clearly throwing at Pepitone. Yeah. So the ball nicked his jersey, he said though, didn't even get him. And he said Pepitone then charged the mound.

But the umpire got to him before he got there. Like he saw it coming and grabbed his ass beforehand and restrained him. And then they find Bell, the umpire find Bell $50 on the field, which I didn't think he could do that. Right now? Right now. I don't know if he had to have it now to go into your back pocket and pull it. Right at check. Yeah, but that's how it happened. And on his way to first base, Pepitone screamed at Bell, who said, all right, then come on,

motherfucker. So they said, Pepitone didn't get more than two running steps toward the pitcher when the Indians' first baseman, Fred Whitman, tackled him from behind. So he went to attack and he got tackled, a bench clearing brawl ensued and it was a big fucking melee apparently. So that's how that went. It was a big deal though. I mean back then that was a fun thing.

Second game of a double header. Oh yeah. Yeah, guys are pissed off, they're hot. Yeah, and they're still here. Yeah that's what it is. He said he was pissed off. He said I was alright until I got to first base. He said then I began calling him names and he hollered back at me daring him to come at him. So I did. But I got grabbed from behind. I figured I was going to get hit so I might as well start swinging first. I'm not mad at anybody anymore now. I wasn't

trying to hit him said Gary Bell, the pitcher. He said in fact I'm not mad at anybody anymore now. I wasn't trying to hit him said Gary Bell, the pitcher. He said in fact I'm not mad at anybody, but he kept shouting profanity at me and I won't take that shit from anybody. You don't call me names. You don't call me names mister. So that year though, he has a great year, does Pepitone, hits 271 with 27 homers, 89 rebs, 16 doubles.

He's a badass, he's doing great. He makes the all-star team. with 27 homers, 89 rebbies, 16 doubles. He's a badass, he's doing great. He makes the All-Star team. Really? All-Star team and he's 17th in MVP voting. Only 16 better. Only 16 better, which is pretty crazy. So he got, he made an error in the 1963 World Series. It's a famous error.

Where apparently the ball, he lost a ball in the people. He's at first base and he lost a ball in the people and it fucking cost them a run and cost them a game and it was a big mess. So yeah, he said it was right there, I just lost it in the crowd. Nothing he could do about it. You know what I mean? One of those kind of things. Keep that in mind for the next season when

When he's afraid again to have a ball come near him during the World Series. It's hilarious. So Here's a story about him going down on seven girls. Maybe going down on seven girls the same time. We'll talk about it It's not actually him. Oh He said that he goes to someplace and there's some of the wise guys that he knew some of the mob guys They said hey somebody's talking shit about you here. We got him sitting here So, you know, he's gonna confront you about this They said well some shit faces here fucking over your name and I want this straightened out is what the mob guy said Yeah, he said when I walked into the saloon Vince said hi a kid. Come here and have a drink with us

I recognized six of the seven guys at the bar nodded to them He said, When I walked into the saloon, Vince said, Hiya kid, come here and have a drink with us. I recognized six of the seven guys at the bar and nodded to them. Vince said to the guy I didn't know, Say, tell the kid about the party you were at last night. Uh huh. Christ, the guy said, you won't believe it. It was the worst fucking thing I ever saw. Joe Pepitone was at this party and there was a lot of fucking going on, naked girls running

around all over the place. Well right in front of everybody,pitone went down on seven girls Okay, I Was speechless because the older Italians had this thing about sex where the man never demeans himself with a woman That's an all-time mob thing if you've seen the Sopranos. There's a whole uncle. Junior thing about it. Yeah He said and to them going down on a woman was the most demeaning act you could perform. Yeah, don't make anybody cum, God forbid. Make them fuck you harder next time and why.

Don't give her anything unless you're getting something. I mean, Jesus Christ, well, I mean, even if it's quid pro quo, at least have a fucking quid. You know what I mean? Get in there. Get the quid before the quo. Yeah, get the fuck in there, you. What the hell, man? What What are you scared of it?

It won't bite If it does back away. Yeah, you're in control. You gotta give it a chance He said into them going down to the woman was the most demeaning act You just didn't do it period at this time I even believed and I even believed this and I had never gone down on a woman Didn't until a year or so later. I always wanted to but I was hung up on those old beliefs that have been hanging hammered into me Vince said to the guy, you know, Joe Pepitone, huh? Sure Vince, you know Joe Pepitone, huh? Sure Vince not and you saw him go down on seven girls

The guy said yeah right in front everybody Vince then nodded and points at me and says, you ever see this kid before? The guy stared at me and said, no, I don't think I've ever seen him before. Vince said, this is Joe Pepitone. Yeah. Who the fuck did you see? And then he punched the guy in the belly, knocked him down and said, and he don't go down on no cunts. I'm Joe fucking Pepitone. I don't go down on no cunts.

I'm Joe fucking Pepitone. I don't go down on no cunts. Now he's got that as a label because this guy put it in for him. A man got punched over it. He got beat up over this and then he chopped him on the back of the neck. The guy went down on his face and Vince kicked him in the side. He's working him over. God, he is. He said, you come around here spreading lies like that about this kid? He's right here, right in front of him. Jesus, he yelled furious. Several of the others at the bar stepped over and kicked the guy as

well, cursing him angrily. Not to help him, not to pull Vince off of him. To get their shots in too. To get their shots in. Say he licks clam, how dare you? He said, Vince grab my wrist. Come on Joey, kick this son of a bitch. He wants you to participate. Meet him. No, Vince, I don't want to kick him, I said. You hear what he said about you? Come on. He said, kick him, he disgraced you.

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He called you the worst fucking thing you can be the biggest sin that's ever been a muff diver Guys wear that shirt proudly man. Yeah, it's why cheats war has a license Yeah, she's a muff diver license plate. Yeah, nothing to be ashamed of good. No, I make girls come. Oh, no, not that Yeah, nothing to be ashamed of. Good God. I make girls cum. Oh no, not that. How dare you. By this time the guy was all bloody groaning and barely conscious. They fucking kicked the shit out of him.

Look at him Vince I said. He'll never say anything like that again. Then I leaned over and jabbed a finger at the battered hulk on the floor and yelled, but you watch your mouth you bastard or next time I will kick you like that matters They picked him up like a corpse carried him to the door and tossed him into the gutter Jesus Christ Wow, of course when I finally did start going down on girls If there was any chance of them at all running into racket guys, I'd tell them don't ever mention this to anyone, honey I had them cross their hearts and sign their names in blood. So that is fucking hilarious. Um, he talks a bunch of shit here too. Here's

another party that he talks about a lot. We starts hanging out with Mickey Mantle and starts rooming with Mickey Mantle, who Mickey is one of the, the great partiers of all time in sports. Yeah. Story. Yeah. I mean, he rotted his liver out. I mean, he's a legendary drunk and just whatever. He did it really well. He did great for himself. So he said he went to a party with Mick here, Mickey Mantle. And he said, I'd never seen anything like this party at all.

First of all, it was at this lavish place up some canyon, and there were a dozen movie stars and starlets present. These aren't just gangster chicks who hang out in Brooklyn at 4 o'clock in the morning. These are like famous chicks. He said, we got there late after the ball game and there was already people in the pool naked. They were not swimming. So, people fucking.

They were fucking, yeah. He said, anyone who felt like joining the action, guys and girls, they simply dropped their drawers and dove in Pool fuck party couples were disappearing into rooms and when the rooms were all occupied Couples started balling right out in the open all over the place Ballin out baby incredible the later it got the wilder it got Incredible he loves this shit He said finally I turned to mantle and, when are we going home, Mickey?

We gotta play tomorrow. Well, you get to fucking and then we'll get out of here. Well, Mickey said, close, he said, quote, shut your fucking mouth. Shut up. No one here. I'm not trying to go home, shut up. Yeah, well I'm here, why would I go home?

He said, I was watching the balling on the couch over here, the balling on the floor over there, and I began to think less and less about baseball. That's how Mickey does it, I was watching the balling on the couch over here, the balling on the floor over there, and I began to think less and less about baseball. That's how Mickey does it, I think. I saw a girl that all kinds of guys were after. She was small, blonde, gorgeous, and wearing one of those short, short skirts and the high boots that were already in in California back then. So like the go-go style shit.

I kept watching her. She seemed so cool, rejecting in a nice way all the guys who moved on her. I was afraid to approach her, even to talk to her, but she saw me staring at her and started talking to me. Nice. She said her name was Alice, that she was 19 and trying to get into modeling. That sounds good. We stood there. Yeah, he's what 24, 23, whatever. We stood there for a while, rapping, rapping, rapping wrapping with one another and the next thing I knew we were Upstairs balling balling balling. Oh, yeah. She was the best piece of ass. I've had That's what he says

Like the guy in the Godfather she was the best piece of ass I've ever had and I've had him all over the world piece of ass I've ever had and I've had them all over the world. When we finished I just laid there staring at her. She was so good, so beautiful. Every time we went to LA after that I saw Alice. I got really close to her, met her mother, the whole thing. It wasn't until three years later that I learned when her mother called me to see if Alice was with me in New York that Alice had been 13 years old that first night I was with her in LA. He learned that and still said that.

Which means he was she was 16 at that point and he was still banging her. 13. His response to this in the book quote, what a zoo. No, that's it. What a felony. I fuck it! What a felony! What a felony! I sat awake at night waiting for my door to be kicked in, I felt horrible about it, I had to go talk to a fucking

psychiatrist and a priest and five other people because I felt bad about plowing an eighth grader, none of that shit. What a zoo! Moving on. Best piece of ass I ever had. Thirteen. Best piece of ass he's ever had. Wow., best piece of ass he's ever had. Wow.

Holy shit. So, after the 63 season here, he said that the Yankees had a lot of changes, Yogi Berra was named manager, and Ralph Hauk moved up to be general manager, and he said, Hauk offered me a contract calling for a $5,000 raise, which back then was a lot. It was like a $50,000 raise, which back then was a lot. It was like a $50,000 raise,

which was the biggest I'd ever had. But it gave me a salary of only $16,000, which was a few thousand dollars less than a ball player with my record would have been earning if he also happened to be a firm negotiator. This is pre-agents. Got to do it on your own. So the guys would literally go into the general manager's office and the general manager would hand them a contract and go, here's your contract for next year. And the guy would go, oh 16, I think I'm worth like 19. And the guy would go, I don't think so, I don't know. And then they'd negotiate and he'd go,

all right, I'll give you 16.5. It was like, you were fucked, you couldn't do anything because there was no free agency either. So you had no, there was no like, leverage card. Well, I'll just go somewhere else, that didn't work. So he said, I was what the tough negotiators referred to as an easy lay. He said I didn't give a shit whatever figure management wrote on the contract I signed it at this time debts and all I would have played baseball for nothing.

So yeah he said 64 Barbara and I rented an apartment in Fort Lauderdale for spring training. She was pregnant again and my son Joe Jr. would arrive early in the season. My daughter Eileen was 18 months old now and I got tremendous kick out of playing with her in the house there. So he said, at Fort Lauderdale, I hung out with a guy who lived in the next apartment. One day when there was no practice, the two of us were out driving along the beach looking for girls. That's nice.

It's a father. It's a father with his wife right there. We picked up a couple and headed for their place. Easy, they got them. Holy... What we didn't notice was that our wives, who were out shopping together, had come back by way of the beach and were two cars behind us. Oh, sweet Christ.

Oh my God. This is gonna be a bigger fucking melee than the bench clearing brawl here. It's gonna be wild. We were in a convertible with the top down. Could it get any better? It's very much us. Look at those son of a bitches up there. Holy shit.

He said, late in the afternoon, we drove back home and walked into his apartment. Both our wives had very unfriendly looks on their faces. They wanna talk. You do the shopping, hon, I asked Barbara. Yeah. She didn't say a word, just walked into the kitchen. I sat on the sofa and picked up the newspaper.

I glanced over at my friend who was just sitting across the room and his eyes were bulging out of his head. Joe, he yelled. But before I could turn around, I glanced over at my friend who was just sitting across the room and his eyes were bulging out of his head. Joe! He yelled. Before I could turn around, Barbara had brought a big steel frying pan crashing down on my head. Oh Jesus.

Jesus Christ. My brains felt like they were going to spill out of my mouth. I pitched off the sofa onto the floor, my head spinning psychotelically. Jesus. Then I saw her coming at me again, swinging that frying pan. Yeah. Did someone say she went down on some broads or something? Because, wow.

I rolled over, managed to get to my feet, and hit her a glancing blow. She bounced off the wall and came right back at me. The frying pan raised over her head. Total rage in her eyes. I ran out of the apartment, jumped in my car and drove to a motel near the ballpark, feeling a lump get bigger and bigger on top of my head. I went back to her the next day and apologized, swore I'd never

fool around like that again. Of course that's always what I did, mess up and then apologize to her. It wasn't until years later that I realized I was following the same pattern my father had set with me, which I hated so much. Isn't that crazy? Very weird, right? Yeah. It's almost like if you would've talked to that guy, or if that guy would've talked to you

and said something more than, play ball, you fucking lazy shit, would've helped. It's crazy how products of an environment actually really exist. That's fucking great. Here's a prank he pulled in the 64 season. 64 they were 99 and 63 and lost the World Series in seven games to the Cardinals. Ouch. So that was the and that's the end of the Yankees being big and then they're not good again until

the late 70s and Reggie Jackson's there. So it's rough going. So here we go. A prank. This is from Jim Bouton's book. He said, one day, Joe Pepitone inserted a piece of popcorn under his foreskin and went to the trainer claiming a nuvenarial disease. Ah! So they all look in. I got popcorn. Well, it's just a big lump he put under the foreskin,

so they're all looking in to see what the old trainer is going to say. Quote, Jesus Christ, Joe, what the hell have you done? Is what the doctor said. Pepitone didn't start laughing until the doctor had carefully used a forceps to liberate the popcorn. That's hilarious. That's just fun. That's so bored.

You have to pull your cock out. Oh, your cock's going up, but it's the trainer. He sees your cock all the time. These guys in the locker room back then, their cocks were always out there. Yeah, they didn't care. They were waiting to put their jock on in their fucking cups so they weren't gonna crowd them.

Wow. So here is a good one here. Okay. Now, there is a woman that he talked about here named Lucy here that he is going to hang out with and he sees her. She's a neighborhood woman. She's older and lives around his mother. So he hung out with her one day, we'll say. And the next day he said the following day early in the afternoon I got a call from my mother Joe She said the most awful thing has happened Lucy Lucy who was sitting here with us two days ago had a stroke last night

It paralyzed half her body. I Offered my sympathies hung up and immediately called lemon. That's a friend of his from the neighborhood. Okay lemon I said sit down because you won't believe this. Is that? It's Lucy. Remember Lucy with the husband? The gal on the fire escape? No, no, no, no.

That's the young girl. Oh, that Lucy. That Lucy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. From part one here. He said, sit down because you won't believe this, but I want to tell you how good I am.

How good I am. Are you listening? Yeah. I paused. I was with Lucy yesterday. Your first real love. Yeah. Okay.

I fucked her. And we screwed five times. He gave her a stroke. A few hours after I left she had a stroke. Quote, how many girls have you screwed so good they had a stroke afterward? So good. This is how guys are. We love that woman. We'd be really sad, but at the same time we wouldn't be able to wait to tell everyone how she died. It would be in her obituary. It would be absa. His penis killed her.

It would be in her obituary for sure. Death by penis. Sorry. Picture, Picture of you up there with your face like looking on. Men just love to take credit for possibly causing any sort of health thing. Oh, any injury? Yeah. Oh, God. Remember that club owner had a stroke and I claimed responsibility for it because I made him freak out an hour before yes So because he got mad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, imagine if you would have fucked him into that I'm really taking credit for it. If you just face fuck that guy You would have never shut up about that I I'd be doing a podcast about the same story every day, it's all we do

I'd be like Jimmy Jimmy, we gotta move on, bro. Tell the story again, Jimmy. I was fucking, so I had him by the ears, right? I just had him by the ears, and I was really going to town. The blood pressure spiked. This is how guys are, though. We wanna feel like we have some impact in the world, whether it's with our cocks or our minds or our force. Any words, anything.

He said, that's how fucked up, depraved, degenerate I was. I feel like we have some impact in the world, whether it's with our cocks or our minds or our force. Any words, anything. He said, that's how fucked up, depraved, degenerate I was at the time. Worse, a couple months later on our trip out west, I went to see Lucy at her place. He went and saw her again? She was paralyzed on one side. Only half her body could move. I did her.

Again! half her body could move. I did her. Again. She could only move one hand, one side of her mouth, but it was wildly sensuous to me. That was the bag I was headed for. That was the way my mind was working. The freakier the sex, the better. I did this to her. Therefore it's still hot. He's like, I'll fuck her in the lip half of her mouth, it'll be hot. Because I did it. Wow. So, he said that through all this, he's got like a, he bought a house in the suburbs and moved in and acted like Mr. Family Man with his kids. He said, I knew the only reason I was staying married was because of the kids, and Barbara

may have felt the same way for all I know. We had absolutely nothing going together. I was making no effort to bring us together, and neither was Barbara. The bad vibes, arguments, attacks on one another were constant. But Barbara wanted a house in the suburbs so he bought a $40,000 colonial in River Edge, New Jersey. Which was a big purchase back then. That was a good house. It's been a real nice house. We thought it might change things, which was stupid. We didn't stand a chance if I didn't change my lifestyle and I was not about to.

I was still out screwing around all the time. Even when Barbara was with me, I was coming on with other girls right in front of her. Wow, that is balls. If I really dug a girl, I'd give her my home phone number. I was compelled to fuck everything I could, compelled to keep going night after night in search of fun and happiness. It surely was an elusive rascal. Home phone number? Like what if she answers? He doesn't care. That's how much he doesn't give a fuck anymore. He said, soon after we moved into our house, I found that I couldn't make it with Barbara anymore. Couldn't fuck Barbara anymore. He

said, we're not going to make it. It said, I'm not going to make it. My dick couldn't make it with Barbara anymore. Couldn't fuck Barbara anymore. It wasn't, no. He said- Not that we weren't gonna make it. It said, I'm not gonna make it. My dick won't make it all the way in. That's it. Which we hear every guy who gets tons of road gash, this is what they always talk about. I remember in the Jake the Snake Roberts episode, he said it got too freaky and then at home

he couldn't even fuck his wife anymore. Yeah, vanilla sex is just not good anymore. Yeah, it wasn't what he was into. Even if it was freaky, it wasn't four girls in freaky because that's what he wanted now. And it's not four girls that are going to fucking disappear in a minute. That's the other thing, that might be a part of it. And those girls probably brought crack over too for everybody to smoke.

I don't know them so it's fun to come on all their faces. Yeah, and then smoke some crack and kick them out. That's probably what he was thinking. Snort, snort it off their ass. He said that he couldn't make it with Barbara. That didn't help my head. For years I'd merely had to look at my dick and it would pop up. Suddenly I couldn't do anything with my wife and I quickly gave up trying.

Outside I was always ready. At home, always limp. It wasn't just because I was tired from all the other activity either. I was tired after screwing three other girls in one night, but I'd done that in the past and always managed to take care of my homework. In River Edge with my wife, I had a perpetual headache. It was sure as hell my fault, not hers.

I guess not. Yeah, you're a fucking million other people here. So yeah, this is this team. He's an all-star again this year, by the way. 251, 28 homers, 100 ribbies. And he's an All-Star again this year, by the way. 251, 28 homers, 100 ribbies. And he's an All-Star. Like I said, they go all the way to the seventh game of the World Series, and they lose.

So that's tough. Now, he got hit with a Bob Gibson curveball in one of them here, yeah. And he said that he, it wasn't that hard. He didn't get hit that hard. It was a soft curve ball and he was lucky. So yeah, which is good for him. Good for him. This is about him not wanting the ball to come to him after the last year's error. Oh yeah. This is Jim Boughton. He said, which reminds me of Joe Pepitone's pickoff play in this 1964 World Series with Lou Brock on first base who was you know the guy who Ricky Henderson broke all his records

I gave the pickoff sign to peppy. So I'm gonna throw a pickoff throw over there When I took my stretch position and looked over toward first He was standing there shaking his head tiny shakes because he didn't want anyone to see no Yeah, he said it was the first time I ever saw anybody shake off a pickoff sign. You can't do that. It's the pitcher that shakes off the... Yeah. He said it was in the 63 series that he lost a throw from third base in the shirts of the crowd and that he was the go to the game. Now he didn't want to handle any more ball, any more, handle the ball any more than he had to. Just for the hell of it. I gave him the sign a few pitches later. I wanted to see if he'd shake me off again

He did Don't throw it over here. Just let it happen. Fine Shaking me off. So in both of his World Series appearances 63 and 64. He hit 154 in both series Oh, no, not good not good. Disaster. Yep. Here's another thing from from ball four where he describes finally the hair pieces of Pepitone. Okay. His hair goes real quick and Joe replaces it. So he said quote, in the bullpen Fred Talbot revealed an awful truth about Joe Pepitone. He has two different hair pieces.

Two different ones. He's got a massive piece, which he wears when he's going out. That's his big puffy one. It's show piece. That's his show piece. That's his peacock feathers right there. Really lets those pop.

And a smaller one to wear under his baseball cap. He calls it his game piece. His gamer. It's my game piece. He is my gamer. Takes that off, puts on the going out piece, which is fucking hilarious. Holy shit. How great is that? On opening day, he was wearing his game piece and he hadn't put it on very well. So when he was forced to take his cap off, there it was sitting on his head all

askew. He was so embarrassed he tried to hide his head in the shoulder of the guy standing next to him. He was like, yeah. Pepitone took to wearing the hair pieces when his hair started to get thin on top, and the hair he still has is all curly and frizzy when he lets it grow long. No shit, John, I get it.

Duck, oh god. I get it, no, no, I don't mean that. I think it's Guinea hair. He's just got curly Guinea hair, that's all. He doesn't mean it like that. He's frizzy, right? Yeah, oh god. I get it, no, no, I don't mean that. I think it's guinea hair. He's just got curly guinea hair, that's all. He doesn't mean it like that. He's frizzy, right? Yeah, frizzy. Like the baby duck hair?

No, no, no, like a fucking guinea has. Okay. Yeah, we get some frizz going and some curls. Shit. Joe had that for a while, he had the real curly. But it's thin. Now it's thin. He's just got like eight long, curly, frizzy hairs,

which is bad. Oh, no. Not good at all. He said so when he lets it grow long so he carries around all kinds of equipment in a little blue Pan Am bag little airline 60s Things like that things like a hot comb various greases and solves glue for the hairpiece hair straightener Even a hairdryer god damn it solves, glue for the hair piece, hair straightener, even a hair dryer. He carries it wherever he goes, on the buses, to the park, on airplanes, you never see him

without that little blue bag. At any rate, one day, Fritz Peterson and I, which we know about, that's the guy who traded wives with the other guy, there's a Patreon about that, a bit bored during the game, we were winning by about six to two So the guys out in the bullpen, they're not gonna pitch and we got some room Yeah, we're gonna win this game and we're bored. Yeah, so we went into the clubhouse and filled his hairdryer with talcum powder Everywhere Then we cleaned it up left it where he had and went back to watch the game

Yeah, by this time it was six to three and then they tied it up Shit, and then we lost seven to six and extra innings fuck and one of the reasons We lost is that pepitone struck out in a clutch situation? Oh, Joey we lost is that Pepitone struck out in a clutch situation. Oh, Joey P. you deserve it. Oh no. So everyone was tired and angry and upset and you could hear a pin drop in the clubhouse because after a loss that's the way it's supposed to be. No one's supposed to be having fun and partying. I guess it takes a shower. After a while Pepitone came out of the shower and turned his hair dryer on. Whoosh instant Instant white. He looked like an Italian George Washington wearing a powdered wig.

Oh my god. Oh god. There was talcum powder all over everything. His hair, his eyebrows, his nose, the hair on his chest. Oh God, there was talcum powder all over everything. His hair, his eyebrows, his nose, the hair on his chest. Of course everybody went crazy. Loss or no, they all laughed like hell. To this moment, Pepito never knew who turned on the powder.

He always thought it was big Pete Sheehy. Wrong again. Not Pete. Oh man. So here's an incident where he's on the road and when he's on the road, he likes to call home and say goodnight to the kids and say hi to Barbara and all that kind of shit. Plus he's jealous, he wants to check on Barbara.

Oh boy. So a lot of times, Barbara will be like at her mom's house or her sister's house or something, so he'll call there. He said one night she gave him a number of where to be reached, where she could be reached. And he goes, I know this fucking number. And he looks it up in his phone book and it's a guy in the neighborhood that he knows. He goes, this son of a bitch. So he calls and he goes, what the fuck are you doing Barbara? And she goes, Oh Joe, calm down. And he says, no, I know

where the fuck you are and hangs up. Okay So, he said, she hung up the phone, I slammed down the receiver and went back into the all but cleared banquet hall. Blackie Gennaro, who's obviously a gangster, who handles all the blacktop paving around Youngstown, oh boy, because he's in Ohio at this point, that's we can't even go over there and confront this situation,

who ran the banquet, saw that I was depressed. What's wrong? He asked told him tell you Gee blacky. It's a lot. I went down on her. Don't tell anybody I Told him briefly what was going on earlier He had told me that he was going to Florida in the morning and that he had asked me to join him I told him I couldn't and that I had to get home now. He said well shit, man Don't go home angry come on down to Florida with me for a few days relax and get away from your troubles. I Don't have any clothes with me. I told him no problem. It was almost two o'clock in the morning, but blackie called his tailor In 15 minutes, we met him at his store Lord Chesterfield

Lord Chesterfield clothes. Oh my god, Only a gangster's getting somebody to open a tailor to open a shop at two in the morning. Yeah. In the middle of the night. Blackie gave me two suitcases and filled them with four suits, slacks, socks, shirts, underwear, shoes, about $1,000 worth of apparel back then. Yeah.

By noon the next day we were in Miami. Unbelievable. We were supposed to stay two weeks, but we were partying every night and I think we might have stayed forever. About a month later two private detectives knocked on the door of my room. Your wife's looking for you Mr. Pepitone, if you don't get home today you're going to be hauled in and charged with desertion. She couldn't find him. He just disappeared.

You're a deadbeat dad already. Yeah, exactly. Just to pay bills. Throughout the trip home my head was all messed up. What am I going to say to the kids? Being gone a month in the off season? I knew it was time to end the marriage, but how could I give up on my kids? How could I leave my little girl and my son?

The big thing in my mind was, no matter what happens, when you get there, don't let anything hurt you. You've gotta push aside any pain and say fuck it. Wow. So she cheated on me, I'm okay. I fuck different girls every night. So I went home with a head that was scrambled, not knowing what to expect.

What I would do, except that I was determined not to let anything hurt me. I drove up to our house and sitting on the front porch were six suitcases full of my clothes She's already packed you out. Well the suitcases were open to the weather lying flat No for the last four weeks. Yep I bent down and looked at the clothes which were mildewed moldy as if they'd been there for weeks as they have been Will you look at this shit? I thought I tried the front door and it was locked my key wouldn't open it Barbara had changed the lock

Yeah, I kicked in the door and walked into the living room. Yeah. Yeah Barbara came running in from the kitchen carrying Joseph in her arms. What the fuck is the matter with you? I asked I want a divorce, she yelled. Why? I said. What? Why? You know why. I think you know why.

Let me show you this private detective bill. This is why. Fucking. Are you kidding me? I think why is very obvious. Yeah. Because that guy believed your foreskin VD joke. That's why.

He believed you. Yeah, because popcorn in your foreskin was VD, joke, that's why. He believed you. Popcorn in your foreskin was believable. Believable, that's why. I said, it occurred to me that it wasn't a very clever question, but I didn't dwell on it. Barbara started screaming about my behavior, all my fucking around. What the hell are you talking about, I yelled.

What do you mean? What do you mean? I don't know what you're talking about. What fucking around fucking around Wow I want you out of this goddamn house right now. She screamed for good And he said I salvaged the clothes that weren't damaged closed the suitcases and tossed them in the trunk of my car I had just slammed the lid when Eileen came running toward me from next door her arms outstretched and tears in her eyes Daddy don't leave she said said, hugging my leg. Daddy, don't leave, I'll never see you anymore. She was crying.

I knelt, hugged her to my chest, swallowing the choke in my throat. I'll be back, sweetheart, I told her. I just have to go away for now, but I'll be back to see you. I love you, don't cry. She was only two and a half, but she knew. She knew.

I cried all the way home to my mother's in Brooklyn. Yeah, that ain't easy. So he goes to his mother's in Brooklyn, and then he ends up moving in with some other guy in some apartment in the Bronx, and he's like, now it was time to really party, is what he said. So. What?

Now he doesn't even have to worry about checking in every once in a while. Now he can do whatever the fuck he wants. All bets are off. Jacked. He said that he gets a call, though, from Barbara. And he said, she sounded hysterical, and I heard screaming in the background. She mentioned the name of a man who lived in the area and said, he's here in the house,

Joe, and he's making Eileen cry. He won't leave. Joe, I'm afraid he's going to hurt our daughter. I'll be right there now tell any guy that They're they're a common going to be a problem. It's gonna be a problem You tell a 1965 Brooklyn Guinea that He's packing he's fucking loading eight guns is what he's doing thin socks and loafers Oh in socks loafers and is and is going out hairpiece on he's doing. A man with thin socks and loafers? Oh boy.

Thin socks, loafers, and his going out hair piece on. He's ready to collect some fucking scalps. He took his going out piece and put his gamer piece on and that's when he knew he meant business at that point. That's when I'm getting less blood in it. Yeah, this is better. It's going to be easier to clean. I got so upset I started trembling.

I jumped in the Corvette and stood on the gas. 90, 100 miles an hour. Be there in a sec. Be there in a minute, yeah. I made it from Brooklyn to River Edge, New Jersey in about 25 minutes. I screeched up to the house, ran to the door, and didn't even try the knob. I kicked it in. He didn't even try to see if it was open.

It may be unlocked. Who gives a shit? Who cares? He didn't even... Never mind knocking or, you know, oh it's locked out, then I'll kick it open. No, fucking boom, I don't care if it was open. Even if it's unlocked, this looks way more menacing. Yeah, if the door flies off the hinges and you're standing there in the dust cloud, when

it opens, someone will go, oh shit, I'm in trouble. That was unlocked. Oh shit, yeah, I left it open for you, Joe. Standing in the living room was a man in his 40s. He was arguing with Barbara as I burst in, and my daughter was bawling, trying to knuckle away the huge tears rolling down her cheeks. I grabbed the guy by the front of his shirt, and for a split second, I thought I would kill him.

I don't blame him. You'd try. You'd certainly try. You'd beat him till you were tired, whichever. Either I'm too tired. You'd try. You'd certainly try. You'd beat him till you were tired. Whichever. Either I'm too tired or you're dead. One's coming first. I'm too tired or you're too not alive. Yeah. In that situation, I will beat you till like my arms don't move anymore. Yes. Absolutely. Whatever happens, happened at that point. You may be nothing. I don't know what's left of you. Sorry. Or you may still be okay enough

to whip my ass. If that's the case. But I'm going to be too tired. Shit. I better go call Vince at that point. Yeah, I made a horrible mistake. Yeah, I'll tell him you're trying to push in on my first base job. You'll really be fucked. Terrible miscalculation. Your turn, sir. Oh boy. He said, I thought I'd kill him. I threw him away from me in disgust and he fell down the four or five steps into the playroom I stood at the head of the stairs fitch fist clenched enraged my mind swirling and then the guy got up off the floor crying I Love her. He said I thought she loved me and that she was going to marry me

He was crying so loud. He couldn't talk for a moment. She says she doesn't want to have anything to do with me. He was crying so loud he couldn't talk for a moment. But she says she doesn't want to have anything to do with me, he sobbed. Okay. So now you don't even want to beat the guy anymore. No. You're crying over a lady that I threw away. This is just pathetic. I can't even get it up for her. What are you talking about? How dare you be such a pussy about this? Holy shit. He said, I turned to Barbara and said, I'm taking Eileen out of here. Like, this is some weird shit you two need to deal with. The girl doesn't need to be involved here. And I don't need my daughter around a weak son of a bitch like that.

No, this guy sucks. He said, I packed some of her clothes and drove her to my mother's place, meaning the daughter. The next day, the police came and took Eileen back. So there's some police interaction for you. Is that kidnapping? He's fucked a 13-year-old, broken, entered. He's done a bunch of crimes here.

This is the first time the police have actually been involved here. I can't say, that might be kidnapping, though. You can kidnap your own kid. I think it is. I think it is. Yeah, I think it is, but it was probably like, just get her back type of deal.

I didn't technically tell him he couldn't take her, so it's fine. There was some domestic violence happening when he took her. Are we going to press charges for that? Nah, maybe we'll drop the kidnapping too. He came over, kicked the door in and threw my boyfriend down some stairs and then took our daughter. That sounds like a kidnapping. Breaking and entering assault and battery and kidnapping? That sounds pretty bad. It sounds like a lot. Yeah. But he was really the one on the right though if you really look at it the correct way. You say, I called him. Yeah, but he was really the one in the right though If you really look at it the correct way you say I called him, you know, yeah, sometimes Superman does the same thing

Yeah, it's what I'm saying. Sometimes he fucks the house all up. Yeah You know what to save somebody the firemen have to chop in a wall sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do Lex Luthor's lair is fucked up all the time big holes in the wall Yeah, you think that any of the alarm systems work? No, they have to disable them. They'd be going off constantly. So yeah, he said that a few days later, I called Barbara and I got no answer.

I kept calling for over a week and nothing. Finally, I drove to New Jersey to see my daughter. When I pulled up to the house, I knew they were gone. There was a for sale sign in the front yard. Yeah, you know for sure. Wow, I went to the neighbors and asked. Barbara had taken the children and moved to her sister's in Oakland, California.

The other side of the country? Jesus, 3,000 miles away. Jesus Christ, I thought I'll never see Eileen. He's got a son too, by the way. What about Junior, sir? Fuck him. He carries my name, good enough. I'm worried about the girl. I got Junior? Fuck him. He just carries my name good enough. I'm worried about the girl. I got to keep an eye on Eileen. Wow. I stayed with my mother

for a week or so but I couldn't stand it. All I could think about was Eileen and how far away she was. I had to distract my head, get some shit going so I wouldn't have time to think. I moved in with a friend of mine whom I'll call Mike Jackson. So this guy did horrible things. He won't even name him. Yeah. I won't even give him his real name because he's problems. He's a lot of problems. Who owned a motel in the Bronx where he also lived. Yeah. Mike was a good guy, but he was about as careful with his finances as I was. He also had a wife and two kids to support in Jersey and liked to party. We piled up the bills between us. I couldn't wait for spring training to start,

knowing my basic living expenses would be taken care of at that point and figuring playing ball would help keep my head out of my loss. I was partying day and night and I still had too much time to think. So yeah, 65 season the Yankees go to 77 and 85. Not the same thing anymore at all. Mickey Mantle only plays, he plays 122 games, which is actually not bad for late Mickey Mantle season because he was injured a lot. So yeah, not too great on that season.

Here's a story about their harmonica on the bus thing, which is very fucking funny here. Well, apparently when you lose, you're supposed to be very, back in the when you lose you're supposed to be very back in the day anyway you're supposed to be very solemn and there's no phones or iPads or music anyone can listen to. No but you better be fucking disappointed too. You better be sad and the bus better be quiet on the ride to the hotel. So he said the guy's never tired of ribbing me for my nose which I couldn't do a lot to improve and my hair which I was

constantly rearranging because it was leaving the front of my head. He said he needed something, some kind of something, so he said he got a harmonica. And he said at one point they're on the bus after a loss, and he said, I'm going to practice my harmonica. And so Phil Lind said, you got to be shitting me. Phil said, Mickey Mantle sitting across from us, you better put that away. You know, whatever.

We lost, Phil says, but there's no reason to cry about it. And so Phil started playing, Mary had a little lamb. And there was no question he needed some practice. Most of the guys smiled, which was good, because the bus had resembled a morgue. But Yogi, Yogi Berra, who was the manager at the time sitting up front got Angry, he stood up and yelled Phil shove that harmonica up your ass Christ Phil said to me we lost but we don't have to act like we're dead. This is fucking ridiculous

Yeah, Phil I said you got to do what you got to do, but you might get in trouble So he brought the harmonica back up to his mouth and started playing again This is from Jim Bouton's book by the way. This isn't from Peppetones yogi hopped up and came storming back to us saying I told you to shove that harmonica up your ass. I Mean it who why don't you do it Phil said here and he tossed with that He tossed the harmonica to bury to bear a oh who was furious He tossed the harmonica to Barry to Barra. Oh, it was furious slapped at it in midair The harmonica slammed down on my lower thigh tearing my pants and scratching my leg

Phil and yogi were yelling at each other now and it was getting ugly. I jumped up shouting Corman Corman I'm wounded. I was trying to get everybody laughing to break the tension in the vibes Then a poor for a then dour Frank Corsetti Not one of the most popular Yankee coaches stood up and yelled, God damn it, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in 30 years of baseball. That's all. And he says the next day the entire incident became a big joke and Phil Linds ended up getting signed up to a harmonica company and getting $25,000 for a sponsorship deal, which was more than a salary. Unbelievable.

So it was worth it to get yelled at there. Yeah. July 5th, he talks about 65, double header here, three run homer, a double, a single, and in the first game of a double header at Tiger Stadium. And then another one in the second game had a good game here. Apparently there was another, he's always fighting with the Tigers here.

They said Joe Sparma, that's quite the name, it's almost Burma. Yikes, that's too much. Yeesh. Fired close shave pitches to Kubek and Pepitone in the first inning of game two, forcing them to the ground. Chin music, that's all. It was a continuation of bad blood circulating since 64 when there was this one on before. Steve Hamilton answered in kind

when Sparma stood in the batter's box, which triggered the untamed tiger to take three bold steps in front of the plate, waving his bat as he went. Kubeck tried to defuse the tension by heading toward Hamilton, but Sparma seemingly invited his Yankee counterpart to continue toward him.

When the Yankees infield closed ranks, Pepitone sprang like a wind-up toy from right field with laser-like focus on Sparma, the Yankee bench completely empty to prevent a disaster. Phil Linds was ejected for cursing at umpired to Cal Drummond That's fucking hilarious tiger fans responded to the brawl by hurling things onto the field including firecrackers Oh my god, that's why you have that in your pocket. Just at the ready at the ballpark. They used to do that kind of shit batteries Fucking firecrackers firecrackers. That is wild shit. Apparently UMPs, by the way, could give $50 fines on the field back then.

Wow. Which is, that's crazy, I didn't know that. So. Just trigger fines. That's not okay. Just need your fines. Hey you, $50. Yeah.

Wow. And now they've got slow motion replay. Like they've arguably admitted that they don't have it right all the time what you can't just allow guys to be costing people money no that's fucking allow guys as much as you miss strikes you're gonna fucking decide who owes what that's nuts it's one thing that you know then the league assesses the penalty or manager gives you a penalty but the umpire hey you just miss the moment You just missed ball three on the last time I was up now. You're gonna find me

I got me that I owe you 50 bucks suck a dick He said I do remember this is Pepitone many nights sitting in the lobby of the mule box hotel in Kansas City between 11 and 1 because that was where the airline stewardess is checked in He knew where they stayed and when they came and waited for them. I like it. Yeah, that's good, you gotta think ahead is what that is. Listen, that's a man that's been, yeah. That's a man that's struck out a lot.

And he's just, he's seen what happens. He goes, about 11 and a couple years later, 11 to one, yeah, this is where they come. It is fascinating that travel makes people fucking horny and that's their job, so the natural presumption is they're always horny. They're horny too. I'm on the road in horny, so they're horny and that's their job so the natural presumption is they're always horny. They're horny too. I'm on the road and horny. They've got to be. They've got to never not. And back then all the stewardesses were all single girls. They had to be singles. They were all under 26 and single. And on the road? on the road fuck my agri falls Viagra Falls nevermind Niagara Falls. I am going to our dicks everywhere give all of them a stroke

Yeah, every last one of them and fuck their limpside He said two fine-looking girls would come in I'd casually follow them to the deck to the desk over here their names and room Numbers go to my room and call them What that is stalking. That is wild. If you did that now... Hey, remember me from the lobby? Ten minutes later, the cops would absolutely knock on your door if you did that now.

And they would be moving to a new room. Yeah, they'd be checking your room for holes, for Aaron Andrews' holes. Unbelievable. Checking for peep holes, looking for fucking... Manifesto's. Air tags. Check your shit for air tags. They'd be all sorts of... So he said, quote, hey Michelle, you don't know how lucky you are, I'd say.

The New York Yankees are staying here tonight and there's a party in room 704. Can you make it? And they'd say, yeah, sure. And he's the only one there if they beautiful see you in 15 minutes they'd knock I'd open up the door standing there in my shorts with Tommy sitting in the room behind me they'd laugh and come in or suggest what I might do to myself what so either they fuck him anyway or they'd be like you know you're a scumbag fuck you he goes

either way gave it a shot somebody else will come in 50 50. I'm gonna go back down to the lobby. He said He said if they walked away, I'd get dressed and go back down to the lobby That's exactly what he would do round two He said I don't think it ever took more than two tries to acquire company two tries Wow, so why wouldn't you do that, I guess, if it works? If it works that easy, yeah. And they're thrilled about it. He said, the girls who flew into the mule-buck were fun and Tommy was very understanding.

The worse my head got, the more bizarre my escapes became. I'd bring a girl into our room at 3 a.m. and Tommy would be asleep until the bed springs woke him up. Then very coolly, he'd sleepily raise his hand in front of his face and peek through his fingers at us. He was a fantastic actor. I'd be really into it, glance at him and see him make a little signal,

move over this way a mite so I can see better. I'd be laughing and bawling at the same time. I am disgusted. Mortified by this shit? Yeah. Here, I want to say. There you go. If he wakes up, hopefully he'll watch.

What? Now you see my balls slapping against her better, right? Okay. You can see it going in, right? That's what I'm doing. Wow. He said, I love to party with group. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, moves so I can see. I love to party with groups to direct the action with another couple or two. Pardon me. Would you move your tongue down a little lower? Fine, thank you. God damn it. If it was a good show, I'd applaud. If it was a bad show, I'd boo.

It was fun while it was happening. I didn't think anything else of anything else during the performances. Just a great escape. Unreal. Jesus Christ. Loves group sex. He doesn't care. He just loves freaky shit and whatever he gets his hands on.

Yeah, it went too far. So now he always needs it to be far. He's only been on the road like five years, but it's just completely debauched him. The whole time. Yeah. Yeah. He can't get his life together. So, um, Jen, on June, July of 65, July 17th, 65, he gets fined and benched here. The newspaper says, quote, Joe Pepitone, the New York Yankees' uninhibited first baseman. You have no idea.

You have no fucking clue here. He should have stuck with 69 as his number. What's the difference? Well, so he gets fined for reporting to the park late and failing to participate in batting practice. So he was in a severe slump, had been reprimanded and fined for arriving an hour and a half late to the ballpark.

Jesus, that's not good. That's a lot. So the benching only lasted one day. He put him in the lineup the next day, even though Pepitone had been 0 for his last 12. Wow. I feel great again declared Pepitone. I've been upset and said a lot of things I shouldn't have but I had a talk with Johnny

and Ralph Hauk today and everything's fine. All I want to do is help. So yeah apparently the it was a double header against the A's. He was supposed to get there at 1115 and got there at 1225. So you got to find $100 each and15 and got there at 12.25. So you gotta find $100 each. And he just said, overslept. That's the only excuse I've got. He said, quote, honest, John, they didn't wake me up.

They didn't wake me up. They didn't wake me up. And the manager said, it can't help that, that's gonna cost you $100. Yeah. That's what they used to say, who was it? Bill Watts used to say that, the old wrestling promoter who ran a territory.

If you came in five minutes late and you said, well the hotel didn't wake me up, he'd go, well I can't find Marriott, but I can find you. Yeah. Sorry, you work for me, I don't give a fuck about them. Not my problem. It's your responsibility. That's, yeah, that's tough.

He said Keen, the manager, did what he had to do. He wouldn't talk about it except to add that the other guy is just as bad and he got it too. It turns out that the desk clerk at the Stadia Motor Inn also forgot to give the other guy a wake up call, but this guy said he didn't. He didn't say anything. Pepitone, though, tells the newspaper, quote, I checked in there last night with my friend Lemon from Brooklyn, who is Clement Sebastopolie

is his name by the way. That's Lemon? That's Lemon, Sebastopolie. That's why he's Lemon, it's a lot easier. So he said, we had to promise the clerk we'd check out early because he needed the room. I said that was fine, I had to be up early. He was gonna wake me up at 10.

The next thing I know, the maid was knocking on the door and it was noon I didn't even wash look I still got pillow marks on my face I knew I was gonna get fined what the heck they can't take this out of my check until 1976 I owe them so much says he gets fined a lot yeah so yeah not good there And he went 0 for 4 also. So that didn't help. Jesus. So not doing well. But people were trying, during the fourth inning, there was banners up, the Bronx loves Pepitone,

let's go Joe. He said, I counted six in all. I've been getting a lot of them lately. My favorite is Calabria is for Pepitone. What? The Italian area, the Italian, in Italy, Calabria. That's a town? It's a province in Italy in Italy, Calabria. Oh, that's a town? It's a province in Italy, yeah, Calabria. It's a place. Not a province, a city, yeah, Calabria. And he said, that's central Italy. At first I thought they loved me, then I realized

they wanted me to go there. A couple of words there? Yeah, go to Calabria. He said, they said, this is a newspaper, the fans alternately boo and cheer Pepitone depending on his performance That's kind of how fans are that's that's called sports. That's called sports Wow It was suggested to pepito and that right field hadn't been so exciting since Roger played out there Roger who he said meeting Roger joking around joking around so There was one fan in right field who kept yelling. Hey pep or oh sorry hey why oh which is a it's an old-time thing that it's an

Italian slur but I don't know what it means really but it's a thing that they always say why why oh why oh and it's it's a lot of Italians will say it about other Italians like this fucking why oh over here it's one of those yeah so I don't get it. Jesus. It's probably like a without paper or something like that. Something, it's like a WAP, but it's less, who knows, there's a hundred different fucking stuff. It's something that has to do with, yeah.

A lot of different something. He said, why don't you, you do something right or I'm gonna come down there and bury you. Okay. And yeah, he said, when Joe was trotting out for the fourth, that same sadistic individual was blowing him kisses, and so are others. Cleet Boyer said, I think it's great.

His fans are more fun than we've ever had here. They even have a Joe Pepitone crying towel sign for when he's going bad. They wave it a lot. So yeah, he, by the way, the hairdryer was a big deal. He's the first guy to bring a hairdryer into a major league locker room. Because it was considered an effeminate thing to do.

He was like, get the fuck outta here. Yeah, I gotta fucking puff up my fucking going out piece. He checked. NFL players are gonna have tights here in a minute. Oh God, forget about it. Yeah, it's no problem. He's an all star this in 65 by the way. 247, 18 homers, forget about it. Yeah, it's no problem. He's an all-star this in 65, by the way. 247, 18 homer, 62 RBIs.

That is not a great all-star, put it that way. But he's also a gold glover that year. He's playing the field well. So he's been up three whole years. He's an all-star every year, interestingly enough. The author of his book, by the way, said this about the writing process with Joe. He said, There was fun, a lot of fun.

And Joe Pepitone is as honest in relating some of the funniest, most startling inside baseball stories that anyone has ever admitted participating in. And he is in bearing the most personal kind of truths. He's a genuinely funny man who can laugh at himself. Many of his early problems stem from his willingness to break rules if he thought he'd get a laugh. Often he would get caught. That says, oh I think we all got in trouble for that shit. It sounds like my school years. He's still playing for certain, or he's still paying for certain indiscretions. One afternoon in the mid-60s when he was with the Yankees, Joe

was late leaving for the stadium. A cop pulled him over for speeding through the battery tunnel. Officer, I'm Joe Pepitone of the New. A cop pulled him over for speeding through the battery tunnel. Officer, I'm Joe Pepitone of the New York Yankees. Maybe you would like a couple of tickets to a game. Very nice, yeah. Which is what they all used to do back then. Maybe forget this. I'm not a Yankee fan, the policeman said.

I don't even like baseball. And he said, oh, you don't like baseball. The guy said, no, but I love the football giants, the New York Giants. And he said, hey, well, I'll getants the New York Giants and he said hey well I'll get you a couple of Giants tickets Give me your name and address and I'll mail them to you Yeah, and he did this whenever he get pulled over he just tried like a maniac

The policeman did so closing his traffic violation book Joe drove on throwing the policeman's name and address out the window Fuck that guy not a chance Recently Joe got stopped for speeding on the West Side Highway in Manhattan. What cop showed up? Officer, I'm Joe Pepitone. I used to play with the New York Yankees. Maybe you'd like a couple tickets to a Yankee game or a Met game. Quote, never mind that shit Pepitone, I'm still waiting for those Giants tickets you

promised me eight years ago. Here, I've got a ticket for you. Never mind that shit, Pepitone. I'll give you some tickets. You son of a bitch. That is fucking hilarious. He apparently, somebody came up to him one day with an autograph to sign an autograph and he signed the autograph and went to hand it back to the guy and he said, I don't want it back. Look at what it is. And it was papers. Oh, oh, he just handed him the papers. Yeah. Getting served. And he said that I started checking out every piece of paper before I accepted it from an autograph seeker. Make sure it's not court documents. I don't need that back. That's yours. Now.

Yep. He said, I got so many subpoenas, I became paranoid. I'd see a guy with a piece of paper the size of a baseball card and wonder do they make subpoenas that small? With my stats on the back they make them that small The other players would look out for me Joe that guy's a process server I duck hustle away when I get a summons to appear in court. I give it to my attorney and he'd go And this was all about bills that were unpaid. He had no money. He's got no money. He's just racking up bills.

Just rolling around. A $600 bill from three years ago was now $875 and my lawyer would have to make a settlement. All my client can pay you is $230. He's flat broke. You can either take that or you can take nothing and get online to collect. You'll be number 384 on the line the guy would take the money and run never not even a thank you he said Thank you not even a thank you He said it was a bitch trying to play baseball with all the worries about bill collectors

I thought any day one of them would run onto the field and serve me in front of 20,000 Is that legal can they do that? I don't think so. I've been a process server. They won't let you do that. Now, I'd go up to bat, the pitcher would release the ball and I'd see a bill flying up on the plate. Very distracted. He said, I think I lost about three inches of hair off the front of my head this season. And after just worrying, and And after a game it would take me 20 minutes to get the remaining hair to cover the bare spot. I combed and combed to get it just right after one game when I hadn't hustled on a play in

the outfield. Mantle was sitting next to me rubbing ointment on his aching knees and watching me. When I finally finished and gave my hair a last pat, Mantle stood and mustered with his ointment-smeared hand. Just fucked it up. Now he's gotta go wash it again. Yeah. Oh, damn it, he said, that's what you deserve. He was right, but if it had been anybody except

Mickey I would have smashed him in the face. His hair is delicate, you don't understand. He said, there was a moment in 65 when I came close to punching manager Johnny Keane The guy who'd beaten us in the 64 World Series when the Cardinals had with the Cardinals had become Yogi Barrett Barrett's replacement and Keane and I didn't hit it off from the beginning Keane reportedly got upset in spring training when he heard I was after his daughter I didn't understand why he was upset shit. I was after his daughter. I didn't understand why he was upset. Shit, I was after everyone's daughter.

I was trying to get everything. Not your manager's daughter. Don't fuck her probably. That'd be bad. So he talks about losing more of his hair too and everything else. He said, by the end of the regular season schedule I was literally disassembling before my very eyes. We had four games left to play in Boston and I couldn't face them. I could barely face myself in the mirror and I didn't know what I was gonna do. But I felt it was something self-destructive,

something crazed. It wouldn't do anything good to go out. I couldn't see any even momentary escape in partying. The party was over, I needed help. Wow, I called my two best friends from the neighborhood, Lemon and Fat John. Of course, Fat John will help. Wow. I called my two best friends from the neighborhood, Lemon and Fat John. Fat John will help you always. If you got a Fat John in your life. Lemon's been there since day one.

Yeah, he's always there. And I called my uncle Louie. If you got an uncle Louie, I advise you to give him a run too. People I could trust, I could count on, people I was safe with. I told them all the same thing. He said, I'm in my apartment in Queens, I could count on people I was safe with. I told them all the same thing. He said, I'm in my apartment in Queens, I'm coming apart. Please come over here right away or you're not gonna see me again. I need someone with me right away. It's Christ, he's suicidal. He said they all came within an hour and I got sucked in and got myself semi together.

The club went to Boston without me that day and Ralph Hout called. Ralph, I'm sorry, I said. I just couldn't make another trip with that man, Johnny Keene, the manager. I'm coming apart. I'm going out of my fucking mind. All right, Joe, take it easy, he said, seeming to understand. I'll call you right back. In two minutes he did. Joe, listen to me, he said. You got to do me a favor. You owe me a favor, right? Right, I said. Just to protect you from the club, let me put you in the hospital for the last four days of the season. So we don't look like jerk-offs when you don't show up for the game.

This isn't for his own good. This is for us. Yeah, we don't want to look like you just AWOL'd the last four games. No, Ralph, I'm not going in any fucking hospital. I didn't want people picking at my head. I just wanted to get through the last nights of the season to get away from the hopeless goddamn season I'd gone through, and I figured I could work out that personal shit with myself. People who don't know anything always think that.

But Ralph kept talking to me, talking to me, telling me he'd appreciate the favor, telling me I could rest up and that I would feel better and that I had to be near exhaustion after the hours I'd been keeping for so many months. He finally talked me into going to Lenox Hill Hospital and I went that night. I'm sure now in retrospect that his protect the club line was a ruse to get me to some shrinks to try and help me. I had so much ability and the Yankees needed me straightened out if that was possible to achieve. I guess Halk wanted to know if it was too. It was great in the hospital. He loved it. Yeah, that was too. It was great in the hospital.

Loved it. Yeah, that's a good play too, because in that moment, he clearly doesn't give a fuck about himself. Maybe he gives a fuck about baseball and the Yankees. No, but sometimes he would have, if somebody says you owe me a favor, then you feel like you have to do that. That's weird.

Don't care so much about me, but god damn it, I do owe that guy a favor. Yeah, and in those moments, we oftentimes, yeah, in that depression, you don't care about yourself, but you still care about me, but god damn it, I do owe that guy a favor. Yeah, and in those moments, we oftentimes, in that depression, you don't care about yourself, but you still care about others, and that's a portion of the depression, is that I want to take this burden from you. Well, you don't want others to dislike you, that just makes you more depressed. Yeah. So you would like these people to like you and feel like that you're not a piece of shit,

because then otherwise it's worse. You're perpetuating it otherwise it's worse. You know you're perpetuating it It's bad But it was great in the hospital four days of total rest and the psychiatrist came right away a man and a woman My mind was engaged with fooling them for the entire stay Okay, they questioned me every day And I really didn't tell them anything about Willie about Eileen about any of the guilt that was smothering me I didn't even tell them about all the debts. Wow.

What are your problems? Nothing. Feeling good. I'm doing great right now. Yeah. He said, I put the whole thing on Johnny Keene in baseball and then it was fucking me up and then I couldn't stand the regimentation, the authority telling me how to dress, how long to wear my hair, telling me everything I had to do like I was a child. To put the other wig on Joe. Put the low wig on. Come on, it's too much hair otherwise. I'm not a child I told them. I'm 25 years old and I'm a good professional baseball player if people would just leave me alone and let

me play baseball and not lay a lot of bullshit on me that has nothing to do with baseball. I yelled, ranted, raved and got a lot of shit off my chest. But none of the real shit. I didn't talk about any of the heavy stuff that was happening inside me. I'm not sure I understood even half of it then, but I knew damn well I didn't want anyone to know what I had done to my father and my own firstborn child, my little daughter, what I had done to my father. Wow.

This guy can take anything and make himself guilty over it. Yeah. He didn't do shit to his father. No, his dad did this. His dad had a heart attack before he got shot, so he can't even say that him getting shot made his dad end up in the hospital. It's just fucking crazy.

So that's fucking weird. So he said, I wanted them to think that except for a few superficial things, this guy is okay. Both of the psychiatrists kept walking out, shaking their heads as if to say, this guy is crazy, but not really. Just momentarily disturbed. Momentarily disturbed. So early 1966, late 65, he meets another woman.

And this is a complicated one He said I met a tough sharp beautiful girl the girl I would marry in early 1966 okay She was an actress named Diane Sandra who had appeared on Broadway with Alan Arkin and enter laughing Incredible that's wild. She was working as a cocktail waitress at the pussycat. That's not quite Broadway wild. She was working as a cocktail waitress at the Pussycat. That's not quite Broadway. And what's a different kind of Broadway. And one day I gave Mike Jackson quote unquote, his Bronx guy there may or may not be his name. Two tickets to a game. And he showed up at the stadium with her. I saw them sit down just before the game started and she

knocked me over. I've got a meter. I said to myself. He said, I went to the Pussycat that night and was introduced to Diane and came right out with some bullshit like, how would you like to go out with a star later? It was not effective with Diane. Well, I'm here with Michael Jackson, so. Yeah, I mean, Christ, he would have been two years old at that point, so I really hope not,

but I'm fucking Jack Nicholson at the moment. He's not real famous yet, but something about him. I think you're gonna like it. I went in there every night when we were home after that and tried to get a date with her. Two months later, I was still trying. Two months? Wow, so you must really like her. And that's a good gal.

Wow. So late one Friday night with the place jammed body to body, I was in there and she was waiting for an order at the service bar. I elbowed my way over, dropped down on my knees in front of her and yelled at the top of my lungs. What the fuck do I have to do to get a date with you? How long do I have to stay on my knees to get you to go out with me? Yeah. She said, you crazy bastard and a half whispered plea, get off, up, get up off your knees. I didn't move. I'll meet you when I get off, just get up off your knees,

she says, just please. Yeah. I embarrassed her into going out with me. That's one way to do it. That's been done before, but yeah, good work. We stopped for one drink, then went right to her apartment and I smoked a joint. I'd smoked marijuana occasionally ever since I was 17.

He's a real early adopter on that shit, man. Good for you. Since the late 50s, yeah. Diane was just an all-time super chick. Very deep, very sharp, much sharper and more mature than I was. I dug the shit out of her. I got her into bed and got right into it.

As I finished, Diane looked at me, looked up into my eyes and said, get your clothes on and get out of here. You are terrible you are terrible fuck off that was awful you're so bad at this you thought that was good get out wow yeah that destroyed my ego when i got mad as hell throwing on my clothes as fast as i could and cursing her it's's not my fault you got a snapping gyro. Yeah, gee, I can't help it. I can't help it. I can't handle what you got, I'm sorry.

Take it as a compliment, will you? Jesus. You're hot. I don't know if it was that or he just wasn't fucking her right or it wasn't going down on her maybe. That's probably part of it. He said when I finished, so I got a feeling that was fast maybe but I don't think he just did anything else I think he just stuck it in her probably and probably just

slammed away until he finished yeah I was like well there you go as I walked out the door I could hear her say what a mistake I had to go right back out on the street and find another girl to fuck to prove to myself that I'm good. Wow. Jesus. Actually, that wasn't the first bedroom complaint I heard. I was generally a mechanic in bed. Open up your legs, let me put it in, bang bang, ooh, off, and that was the way it was. I'd ball a girl and I wouldn't want to be with her again.

Thanks for the memory. I wanted a different girl every night, one after another after another after another, and every conceivable type. Blacks, whites, Puerto Ricans, Chinese, Indians, Serbo, Croatians, you name it, I'd surely love to try it. Don't give a fuck. Yeah. Now, somehow he goes from get the fuck out, you're terrible, to look at this. Look at this picture in the newspaper. Who is that? That's Joe and that's this fuck. That's Diane

That's that's get the fuck out your tear. Let's get the fuck out. You're terrible. Yeah, look at the flood There there ice skating okay, and he fell down and he's like look at me. I'm a goofball Maybe you'll fuck me later terribly come on. Yeah,, come on. Fiance. That's his fiance. How about it? It's a newspaper article where he's all happy. That's the whole thing. And he says that his days of breaking the rules and living it up are over. Really?

It's over. He said, the newspaper article said Joe Pepitone not only is getting married, but also getting serious and trying to get rid of his reputation for being a hot dog at the same time. Hot dog. Hot dog. Real tube steak. Real tube, oh man, I missed that episode. I missed Mickey Dora.

Old tube steak. This the Yankees want to see. This everyone wants to see because it could turn out to be the most startling switch since Christine Jorgensen. Christine Jorgensen was the most famous person who had a sex change by that point, by the way. The Ed Wood movie, Glen or Glenda, was originally supposed to be the Christine Jorgensen story. Go ahead and read that sentence again then. Yes.

This everyone wants to see because it could turn out to be the most startling switch since Christine Jorgensen. Since this fucking person chopped their cock off is what they just said because that was not... could turn out to be the most startling switch since Christine Jorgensen. Since this fucking person chopped their cock off is what they just said because that was not a known thing that people did. People did it a lot. It still happened all the time back then, but people didn't really know it happened. Startling. Startling.

Ever since he began playing ball, Pepitone has been well, to put it mildly, a high flyer. The kind of guy who liked to live it up, make every night New Year's Eve and not worry too much about tomorrow. He said my first manager tried to warn me. He told me I had a reputation even then when I was only 17. He said I'd better try to straighten out or that reputation would stick with me forever. I guess it did. Yeah, no doubt. I know I have a reputation. I broke a lot of rules and now I'm fingered. That's not a good way to put it. Oh boy. Well, you have to be punished for breaking the rules. And a $50 fine just isn't going to cut it nowadays,

Joe. You got to be fingered. Sorry. I'd be fingered. If I don't hustle maybe once or twice everyone notices. They look for me not to hustle." So he said, but now he's ready to go. He said, quote, that's all over with now. They've been telling me to get serious for more than eight years. Well, now I am. And I'm all through with that Playboy stuff too. Okay. Yep. He, they said, how come? And with that, he turned to his fiance, Diane, a striking dark eyed beauty whom he'd already

presented with an engagement ring. Quote, it's all for Diane, he said. How about it? How long you think that's going to last? I think I'm finally ready. I'm going to have a good year. Diane corrected, the best. He's going to be MVP this year, aren't you, Joey?

Oh, Diane. I'm going to try, he said to her. Whoa, man, she said she's always been a Yankee fan, and she said that she never had much, she didn't like Joe Pepitone as a player before they got together. She said, quote, I hated him. He seemed more interested in how he looked

than anything else. So show-offy, I used to holler, get rid of that bum from the bleachers Also, terrible way also the first time we fucked Kind of like he's playing right field right now lazy bad lousy Pepitone tried to put a hand over his fiance's mouth But it's the truth he insisted then when he came into the place where I worked to see the other girls, I worked

all the other girls used to tell me stories about him. I didn't want anything to do with him. But I found Joey to be entirely different when I finally did go out with him. He's the most wonderful person I've ever met. I love her. I love him. And I love her, he says. Maybe I took a lot of things for granted with the Yankees the last two years. Not anymore though. I'm anxious to shoulder my responsibilities now. Get after him. Now I do the fingering.

Now I'm fingering everybody. Yeah, she taught me all about it. It's important apparently. I didn't realize the importance, but I apparently gotta do that or it's not good. He said he talked about quitting baseball last summer and he said, I was foolish to talk that way. After all, I have no college education.

I didn't even finish high school. What could I do for a living? Where are you gonna go? I'm a fucking dummy. I'm a dumb fucking, I'm just a dumb getsuit, just guinea fucking moron over here. I swing a bat, that's it. Yeah, dumb ginzo, that's me.

What am I gonna do? I got nothing else going on. You know any place looking for pizza pizza eaters possibly I could do that According to the paper, that's what I got in me So he said I know how much baseball is meant to me if it wasn't for baseball I wouldn't have anywhere near as good a life as I have now wouldn't be fucking this woman. I'll tell you that much. Yeah so he marries her in February of 1966 and he said they found him a financial advisor

and an attorney, the Yankees did, to handle his shit. His debts amounted to something like $70,000 and his salary was $23,000 a year. So, three years salary. That's wild, yeah. So, he said all of his checks went to his financial guy. He would give me $50 a week to live on and use the rest to make settlements with all my creditors. Wow. Fucked. It took me two and a half years to get out of debt. The first year I got $50 a week. The second year he gave me a tremendous raise to $60 and nothing

extra. He was very strict. He said that she did everything she could do to help Diane. He said she had $4,000 saved when we got married and she gave it to me. I had nothing coming in except the $50 a week spending money. Diane worked till she was a few months pregnant and then I made her quit. When our daughter Lisa was born after the 66 season, Diane went back to work to keep us going. We would never have been able to go out to have any fun at all if she hadn't worked as a cocktail waitress. But I was such a jealous bastard I even made her quit that.

Really? Wow. She seems like she's pretty down for you. True. I don't think she's going to cheat on you. And you know it takes a while to get her to fucking even talk to you. Yeah. She'll tell you to go fuck yourself. It's not easy to get her to warm up. No that's that she's aloof that's what you want that's good you know especially if she's gonna be a waitress out there and guys are gonna be hitting on her it's a good perfect. So he said I'd go to the place she worked and I'd see her get hassled and I'd get pissed off. I couldn't stand to see guys coming up and hugging her, grabbing her leg, bullshit like that.

She could handle it, get rid of the guys in a nice way without causing any bad vibes. I'd see that shit and challenge the guy and wanna break his fucking head, just like my father. Not great. So he gets the same salary in 66 that he had in 65, but as we know, he's only getting $60 a week. It doesn't fucking matter.

Yeah, he's getting no fucking money. The Yankees. Long spent. Long spent. The Yankees finished 10th in the American League. They're terrible. Jesus. 70, 89 and one.

Not good at all. Way different lineup now. Still Mantle and Maris, but Mickey's only playing 108 games and he's 34 years old. Elston Howard's 37. I think he's a part-time coach by now. Yeah, it's bad stuff, very bad stuff. So going rough. Still has problems in July here.

One day, this is from a newspaper, one day Joe Pepitone was tooling along the Belt Parkway in New York when all of a sudden the cars in front of him weren't moving anymore. And when this happens, there isn't much you can do except sit there. sudden the cars in front of him weren't moving anymore. Uh oh. And when this happens there isn't much you can do except sit there. When the car in front of him moved again, it was like an hour and a half later, and Joe Pepitone got to Yankee Stadium 30 minutes before game time. So this is one of the big deals.

He gets in trouble and he gets fined $250 for that. So yeah, he said that, he said, you find me, he's like, I got stuck in traffic. Everybody would have got stuck in traffic. He said, it doesn't matter, you're getting fined. So they're talking about all of his fines and he ended up with $2,000 in fines in the last two years, his manager said.

Which he can't afford to pay. No, he can't afford to pay. And yeah, he said he thinks people pick on him a little bit, but he understands. Yeah. He said, quote, if I'd have landed on the schnoz of mine, I'd have torn up. I would have torn up three yards of dirt. Cause he said, he said that he didn't want, he didn't slide. And they're like, why didn't you slide in this play? He goes, I didn't want to bounce on my nose. I don't want to fuck up the field. I had to jacked up the whole field. We'd have to get the grounds crew guys out there.

It's fucking ridiculous. Oh man. So he sues New York City also. Really? Yes. The city of? Sues New York City for the 1958 shooting of himself in a school. Has that happened in a school? Oh great point. Yeah. He sued the New York City Board of a school. Oh, great point. Yeah, he sued the New York City Board of Education for $100,000. Did he win? He wanted $75,000 and his mother wanted $25,000 because of medical expenses and the loss

of her son's services, claiming that the bonuses offered up to $60,000 decelerated to $25,000 and he didn't get signed for the same amount. So he said that the board's carelessness and negligence allowed the pistol on school grounds. So the state Supreme Court okayed the trial to take place. It is an all-male jury, and they vote unanimously against him somehow.

Because it's dudes. Because it's dudes. Like, fuck you. Who didn't get shot in school? Relax, pussy. So this year he hits 255 with 31 homers and 83 RBI. He's 27th in the MVP voting. Incredible.

I don't know how deep they go on that really, but 27th. That's amazing. And not an all-star though. Doesn't make the all-star team. But he is a gold glover again He's a good fielder. He's not bad. Yeah, so He he's hanging out at home with his wife and he's trying to be a family guy

Okay, basically trying to do all of that. Yeah, but he said I was even more crazed the second year of our marriage We had some great times together really nice just the two of us It was a new experience sitting at home and just enjoying being with a wife. There was often a third party present though, pot. We didn't have that many good vibes when I was straight because I couldn't sit still and could seldom relax. But when I was smoking dope, I'd relax and really listen to what Diane had to say. Now I'm interested in what did your mother say again? Tell me. Yeah. Now I care. Yeah.

He said groove on her words on being with her. Like you're just groovy chick, aren't you? It's crazy how like I can feel your words. Keep talking. So nice, man. They're coming out in colors. Yeah. So nice just talking.

Of course, he wasn't actually just doing that. He was also banging tons of girls on the side. Oh, Joey P. He said, I had the names and phone numbers of about 150 girls I'd been balling written on slips of paper in my cubicle at the stadium. Yeah. We had to clean out our lockers for the incoming football giants, and I put those slips of paper in a suitcase, along with some other things I wouldn't be needing over the winter. Right. Those are baseball women.

This isn't off-season women. I told Pete Sheehy, the clubhouse man, to store that bag for me at the stadium. I had to go off to a banquet right after the game. A limousine was picking me up and a friend was dropping off my wife to drive my car home. I had another suitcase of clothes that I did want for the winter and I told Pete to put that one in the trunk of my car. For with my wife. Fine, Joe, no sweat.

No sweat, shit. He put the wrong suitcase in my car. I did the banquet out on the island and got home late that night. I opened our apartment door and Diane was sitting on the couch with a drink in her hand looking like she'd been crying all evening. Her eyes are red and puffy. Laid out on the carpeting like a mad mosaic. Ha ha ha ha! She's a genius.

Oh man, just probably with like, you're terrible, Joe. You're a terrible lay, written out in tiny pieces of paper. She tiled the living room with his fucking, ah, with his fucking little black book. Oh my god. Were those 150 slips of paper with girls' names and telephone numbers on each of them. And among the batch were names of Diane's closest girlfriends I'd balled. For one of the few times in my life I couldn't think of anything to say.

I just stood there staring at all that bloody evidence and feeling the pain on my wife's face creep into my stomach. Shit. It would be like if at the Nicole Brown Simpson murder scene they rolled up and O.J. was still standing there wearing one glove where they picked up the other. Diane finally got up off the couch. Sit down Joe was all she said. Then she turned, walked into the bedroom and closed the door.

I walked through that sea of paper with the name scrawled on them and every time I saw the name of one of her girlfriends I felt a jab in my gut. I laid down on the couch, but I didn't sleep that night. No No, so alright. We're gonna leave off right there with part two We'll finish up next week and part three where he's got his career is gonna come to a pretty abrupt end He's gonna go to Japan I believe a little bit and he's gonna have some some criminal problems and he's gonna pose with his dong out for a magazine so he's gonna be all nude his his pubes are bigger than his going out piece for his head just a huge mound of

fucking mid-70s gin pubes it's wild. Unreal. What a story. There you go. That is Joe Pepitone part two. He is tons of fun, this guy. He really is, yeah. He did have sex with a child this week though, and that's not fun. It's a lot, yeah. That's a bit much. He could have gone to prison for that. Yeah.

Even in the 60s, I don't think that was legal. So, not good. So anyway, tune in next week again for part three and the third and final part of Joe Pepitone. We'll finish it up no matter how long it takes. And it's gonna be so much fun. Less out of his book now, because that's just all fun establishment stuff. Sure.

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