Crime in Sports - #407 - Cocaine, Fake Hair & Bar Brawls - Joe Pepitone - Part 3

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

This week, we finish this crazy story with tales of getting Mickey Mantle stoned, having a woman stolen by Frank Sinatra, and being pushed out of baseball. He ruins another marriage, and poses fully nude for a magazine, but sets up a successful men's beauty salon. He also gets busted with a LOT of cocaine, and a ledger of his customers. Plus, bar fights, and drunkenly crashing a car in an NY tunnel!Get Mickey Mantle so stoned that he can barely swing a bat, Have Frank Sinatra swoop in on the woman you've been talking to, and never be dull, a moment in your life with Joe Pepitone!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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When we left Joe Pepitone off, he was with his second wife, and he had come home to find that the wrong suitcase had been delivered from the ballpark and his wife had gone through and found all of his clothes were in storage. Yeah, his clothes that he needed were in storage, but all of his road trim was displayed on the living room carpet in the form of small pieces of paper with phone numbers on them that and a lot of them were her friends, by the way, as well. Including personal friends. Including her personal friends. These are all women he's been

fucking over the course of the year. So yeah, he's in a lot of trouble, we'll just say, there at home. So let's start out in the 1967 season for the Yankees. The Yankees were on the major downward slide here, fast. They were 72, 90 and one this year. So that is not great. 72 and 90 is not the records you're really looking for. And the team is too, I'm catching, I'll give you the lineup. Jake Gibbs, Mickey Mantle, Horace Clark, Ruben Amaro,

Charlie Smith, Tom Tresh, Joe Pepitone, Steve Walker, or Steve Whitaker. Good for them to be able to play with Mickey Mantle. They get to tell the kids about that someday. Yeah, he's 35 and not doing too well anymore. He did play 144 games this year, which is a lot for Mickey Mantle, actually. But he's hurting. His body is destroyed. His body's all fucked up.

Yeah, nice of these, the rest of these. That's not exactly Murderer's Row. No. Think of DiMaggio and and mantle and Ruth and Garragh and you don't think of all of them and you know Ruben Amaro as well Joe Gibbs No, not who was it? Oh Jake Gibbs Jake. Jake. Yeah 233 with four homers that year for Jake. Yes, great hoof four homers that year for Jake. Yeah, he did great. But he knows Mickey Mantle. He knows Mickey Mantle. He played with him. He can say I am

right there with Mickey Mantle. I've seen Mickey Mantle's junk. Oh man, you got Mel Stottlemeyers pitching for him there. Okay. Whitey Ford at 38 still hanging on. Jesus Christ. And old Jim Bouton there from ball four still on the squad. This is right after they dump him. So this year for Joe, though, he plays in 133 games and he hits 251 with 13 homers. So, yeah, he's not doing as well as he was. Very good fielder always though. Never anybody talking shit about his fielding over there at first base.

1968 season, there are at least 500, 83, 79 and two there. I guess those are games that couldn't be finished due to darkness, I don't know. Rain or something? Who, yeah, rain outs. At the end of the year, if there's a rain out that isn't gonna affect anything,

they don't reschedule it. They just kinda just go away. If it's not gonna put them in the World Series or anything anyway, what's it matter? Yeah, they're not going to make two teams figure out how to fly in on an off day to make up a game that doesn't matter. So yeah, this year, Mickey Mantle again still on the team, but I think the next year is his last year.

So coming to an end pretty quickly here. Speaking of that, Mickey's in the waning years of his career, and Joe's now a veteran. He's been on the team a long time, and so he's hanging out always with Mickey Mantle. He lives with Mickey Mantle in his hotel suite most of the time, Joe does during the baseball season. So he tells this story.

Mickey, by the way, is known as a big time drinker. I mean, one of the biggest in baseball history. baseball history it took him. He died because of his liver I mean, he's just a I think he got a new liver and then destroyed that one, too It's I'm pretty sure the reason you're not allowed to get a liver if you drank and destroyed it I put it was Mickey man. He's like I swear to God this one's gonna be better Way better care of this one. It's gonna be so much good for you to do this for me. Just put it in there. You don't even have to take the old one out.

Just put it on top. Just put it side by side by each. I think I could use two. Wire them together. So yeah, and he's known as like, he's an Oklahoma guy. He's like a real country guy and all that kind of thing. So last thing you think of with Mickey Mantle in the late 60s is weed smoking. He's known as like, he's an Oklahoma guy, he's like a real country guy and all that kind of thing. So the last thing you think of with Mickey Mantle in the late 60s is weed smoking, you

know what I mean? The last thing anybody, he was Mr. Down Home kind of guy. So here's a story. Is that what he was doing? Well, here's a story from the book. He wasn't doing it, but Joe Pepitone, when you're around Joe Pepitone, you do different things that you might not do normally. So he said, Mickey and I were sitting around the St. Moritz one afternoon, that's the

hotel Mickey lives in. That's a nice one. Yeah. And I was cleaning a new batch of grass I'd just gotten. Okay. Cleaning it all up here. Not Bermuda. Mickey never smoked marijuana, refused to even try it, saying Scotch whiskey was plenty

good enough for him. I had been after him to just take a toke or two told him it wasn't as harmful to your body as booze and then it made you feel a lot better like Mickey won't wake up tomorrow and not want to play the game I promise you're gonna feel so much better the guy who'd gotten me this batch had told me it was super good so he's got a real real strong good batch of media. Real dank set. He said, I kept after Mickey, told him he really ought to give grass a shot, but he declined. Didn't want to do it.

I finished cleaning the grass, rolled a joint and lit up. Wow, I said, it tasted different from anything I'd ever smoked before. In seconds I was up and a second toke delivered me to the following Tuesday. This is good weed he's got. And Joe's a smoker as we know. He sits around in his house smoking so he can hear his wife. Otherwise he can't listen to her. He said, oh man, he was all sorts of excited.

He said, this is sensational, Mick. I said, I was beaming, I couldn't stop smiling. So Mickey's watching him just in heaven here, just two tokes. He's like, wow, you look like you're happy as fuck Wow, so Mickey said quote shit. Let me have that thing. He said he said I just have to hold the smoke in He was you know how to smoke it. He said just draw it into your lungs and lean back I said feeling like my lips were spread so wide they were gonna to split. Smiling. Yeah. He said very pleasantly.

He took a toke, sat back, waited a minute, and a smile came to his face. He took another. Kind of nice, Joe. This was over three hours before game time. Oh, yeah. And I knew this stuff would wear off way before we had to play. No, it won't. Not if it's good.

Yeah. And not if you're not a seasoned smoker. It always wore off within a couple hours. We finished the joint and drove to the stadium, giggling all the way. Finished it. Oh my god. Finished it. Oh boy. Yeah.

Not good, Mick. You are in trouble. But instead of wearing off, this dope seemed to get stronger. Oh no. This is great. Se seemed to get stronger. Oh no. This is... Oh, this is great. Seemed to get stronger. Seemed to get stronger.

He's like, oh fuck. It keeps happening. It keeps happening. Why does it keep happening? I found out later that it was Colombian, which I had never used before. Two toques of it will keep you aloft for hours. There you go. Yeah Mickey went to bat in the bottom of the first inning I watched him swing from my seat in the dugout and I had to hold back the laughter This is hilarious his swing was perfectly level but was so relaxed, it looked like he was swinging

underwater. It's just a chill, man. He's just like, oh, that felt good. He's like, oh, that's a swing. Swing felt good though. Even, smooth. Let me do that again. Oh, strike two.

That's okay. He said that Mickey, of course, was notorious after he struck out for slamming his bat into the ground, throwing his bat into the ground throwing his batting helmet in anger. Yeah he was one of those guys. This day when he took his third slow motion swing he turned around very carefully placed his bat on the ground and carrying his batting helmet back and carried his batting helmet back to the dugout tenderly. I had to cover my mouth with my hand. He's just cracking up. Mickey's stoned. So he went from, ah, to just gentle like, that's all right. That's okay. Sometimes you strike out. Yup. Everyone was looking at him strangely as he walked back with

the tiniest little grin on his face. He's high. He's so high. None of this matters. I can't do this game like this. He struck out twice in that game and I struck out three times. The dope still seemed to be getting stronger. I finally took myself out of the game in the eighth inning. I was afraid I'd get killed by a fly ball. He was afraid of it. Jesus, I can't do this.

I'm going to lose it. I don't know how, but Mickey played perfectly at first base. This was the end of his career when he took him out of center field and played him on first base, which is just, it's like seeing Willie Mays at first base, it's just weird, you know? If I'd had to handle the throws there,

I think I would've taken myself out in the fifth. Incredibly, Mickey came up in the ninth inning with a man on second and singled in the winning run. Holy shit. That's how good Mickey was. He said he still had that little smile on his face when he walked into the clubhouse, but he came right over to me and whispered, don't ever give me any of that shit again. I don't ever want to do this again. This was a long, long day. Really bad. He said, I didn't know it was that strong, Mick. And he said, the next time I rolled a joint at his place Mickey got up and left the room.

I never smoked before another baseball game again ever. That was it. Just I don't even want to smell it. Not good. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. There's some guys that after their careers are over would say that they smoked weed before football games and I'm like how the fuck do you do that?

I don't know how you could do that. No baseball I could see it because it's almost strategic So it would be hard down the ball a little at the plate probably there But for like a pitcher it seemed like it would be great is you'd be like I can really feel the spin on the ball I really can feel like I'm in one with it and focus. Yeah, I would then for the field, too I would think it would be good, too, but I don't know football seems terrifying to do Playing short it might not

be easy to do. Balls come pretty fast. Like left field? That seems great. Maybe. Pop fly? Perfect. Yeah I'm under it. Look at it go. Yeah look at it. Be fine I think. So another thing here is Sinatra. He gets to hang out with Sinatra. And if you're number one in the Northeast, that's a big deal, as big a deal as it could be. And back then, it's hard to explain how famous Sinatra was back then. I don't know how to even put it into perspective as far as fame goes. And especially in the Italian community, he was literally, I mean, God, I mean, it was him and Joe DiMaggio could have taken over anything they wanted to.

And everyone was, oh my God, and worshiped them. It's just the way it was. So he said that he got introduced to Jilly Rizzo. Jilly Rizzo is Frank Sinatra's right-hand man. He's kind of his protector, fixer. Not a great guy? Tough guy? I mean, a tough guy, yeah.

Definitely a tough guy. Yeah, definitely a tough guy. Yeah. Considered a tough guy. He said he was probably Sinatra's closest friend and unofficial bodyguard. And that's anybody who hung out with Sinatra for 25, 30 years. It was, you know, I had to meet Jilly Rizzo and Jilly Rizzo will take you to him type of deal. What a cool name. Jilly Rizzo. Yeah, that's a good one. He said the actor Henry Henry Guardino comedian Pat Henry who was just going backstage because he let off shows for Frank and about six beautiful girls This is talking about going to a Sinatra show. Yeah, Sinatra did a great show and afterward We all went back to congratulate him. Leo said Frank. I want you to meet Joe Pepitone of the Yankees Yeah, that's cool. Hey Pais, Frank said, jumping up and hugging me.

That's the thing, you're in. I stood there paralyzed with a stupid little smile on my face. Frank said, I know he's with the fucking Yankees, Leo. Like, I know the Yankees. I'm aware. Hits left-handed, plays first base better than anyone the Yankees ever had, and makes the All-star team every year

Even when he's brand new and then he hugged him again and said good to see you Joe This is the coolest fucking thing you could ever get is Frank Sinatra knows everything who has my baseball card. This is why yeah You gotta go like you gotta go home and call your mother after that until tell her about it And she can tell all the aunts and uncles that Frank Sinatra knows who Joe is. You stand next to a guy who sounds like how Snoop Dogg would say Jelly Roll. Yeah, Jilly Rizzo. My man, Jilly Rizzo. He said, Jilly had a houseboat, a huge fantastic showpiece dug right across from the Eden

Rock and afterward we went over there and partied all night. Oh God my dream. Yeah, he said when the Sun came up I was still sitting there just staring at Frank the same thing I've been doing all evening No pep from Brooklyn hanging out with God Staring God in the face on a houseboat on the ocean. This is what Frank does every night He fucking sits on a insane houseboat and has sex with six women while drinking scotch This is wild what a crazy fucking life So he goes on to tell this story and I'll kind of synthesize the story here

he tells a story about they're hanging out one night and Frank just starts saying everybody everybody cough up a hundred bucks everybody cough up 100 bucks, let's go, let's go. It's a bunch of guys hanging out at, I think his house maybe. Pulling our money for 100. Vegas, Palm Springs, one of those. So, pull everybody 100 bucks, 100 bucks, pony up, pony up, and he said,

I don't worry, I'll cover the rest of it, but everybody 100 bucks out of you guys. So, everybody ponies up 100 bucks, Frank takes it, goes in another room for a while. Little while later, all of these like, very, very beautiful for a while. Yeah, a little while later all of these like very very beautiful women show up Yeah Frank called yeah and said send me your best. Yeah, send me your best and they're all gonna pay for it So there's all these women here and you know fucking hanging out

They're all like young and hot and all this type of shit. So there was one particular chick apparently that all the guys were going after. And Joe Pepitone said he put in this whole night's work with this girl trying to be the guy that banks her. And then another guy was doing the same thing. So it was like him and Joe going back and forth and like just for like trying to outdo each other and ridiculous. So he said, Frank sat there and he watched this for like an hour and he was laughing and he thought it was funny and he's going back and forth. He goes, watch all these guys come up and not be able to hook up with her

and then have these two fighting over. And he said, Frank disappeared for a little while. He goes, next thing you know, they were outside of his bedroom there. Frank opens the door and he just goes, hey, and he goes like this with his finger. And does a little, he mirrored him twice, goes boop, boop. And the girl got up and walked in there with Frank.

And she walked in and Frank just said, have a good night fellas and closed the fucking door. It's been cute that you guys thought you were gonna do this all night. It was a party. I got this one. You guys really entertained me. Yeah. Said an hour of his best shiz-a game cute that you guys thought you were gonna do this all night. How's the party? I got this one. You guys really entertained me.

Yeah. Said an hour of the, his best shiz A game for an hour. This guy's A game. Frank one finger like that. And fucking, oh boom, here she is done. He's like son of a bitch. He said couldn't even be upset because it's Sinatra. He's like what are you gonna do?

It's literally Frank Sinatra. Like oh fuck, this is crazy. At least I didn't lose her to you. Yeah, that's what I mean. Fucking scumbag. This fucking jerk off from the bar I didn't lose her to. She's gonna bang Frank Sinatra, I guess, you know, whatever, you know, she's gonna have a story.

That is a fun game for Frank too, to pony up this cash for all these girls to come in, that he's paid for them to do this shit. You know what I mean? And you still can't win her, but guess what? Guess who can? Yeah. Really easy like.

Frank. Didn't even have to make a, say anything. That's amazing. No! Just a motion. A little cheat code. Hey, just get everybody's, over here. That's enough.

Give me a minute. Let's go. My Christ. So 1969, Yankees are 80, 81 and one. Or 80, 81, yeah at 80 81 and 1 here and Again, it's getting bad Very very bad for this team. This is actually Thurman Munson's rookie year though, so oh yeah He comes into the mix, but he's not playing Jake Gibbs is still the main catcher here

They're splitting time him and Thurman so Thurman only played 26 games that year so split in time him and Thurman. So Thurman only played 26 games that year. So this year, obviously not a spectacular time for the Yankees again going way downhill. Pepitone in August just didn't show up for a game against the Twins. Really? Yeah, just for no reason, it just didn't.

Just stayed home that day. Hauke said that he knew Pepitone had personal problems. Ralph Hauke is the manager, but there was no sign that he knew pepitone had personal problems ralph hawke is the manager But there was no sign that he would be a no-show He never said like I got a court date or something or I got something. They just didn't show up He said that pepitone got house approval to skip the next game. He took that one off and Two weeks later though The Yankees are gonna suspend pepitone and find him five hundred500 because he left during the middle of a game against the White Sox. Just didn't tell anybody, just left.

He doesn't think anybody will notice this? No, I guess if he wasn't playing he was like, well, I guess I'll leave and then how's like, I need a pinch hitter. Oh, I got it. Where's I need a lefty. Where's Pepitone? Where the fuck is Pepitone? Where's JLP? Yep. So he said it was the fourth game that Pepitone was sitting out because of back and shoulder problems And he just you know took off now the Yankees owner Mike Burke at the time. This is priest Steinbrenner He didn't buy the team for like three four more years Said it was it was about Pepitone's personal issues back alimony separation from his second wife. Oh god

He said all of that. Yeah, He said it was negatively impacting his mood. He said, but of late I've noticed a change in his makeup. He's not been effervescent. Oh, he's not as bubbly? No. Gee, that's quite the shame. Not refreshing this guy, huh? He's not like a sprite, unfortunately.

Yeah, not a seven up here. Not a lot of ah after a conversation with him. Those bubbles tickling your lip, none of that. He seems drained of enthusiasm after a conversation with him. Those bubbles tickle in your lip? None of that. He seems drained of enthusiasm and desire to play baseball. Yeah, back alimony will do that to you. That's the problem. They said spending is a problem. He owes people a lot of money.

The Yankees GM explained that the team frequently advanced Pepitone's considerable salary. So frequently giving him advances and he then left a game against the Royals at Yankee Stadium on August 30th and Because he got fined so he was mad and left. Yeah, which is gonna get him fined again. You can't yeah Yeah, correct the issue man. That's it. He's doubling down He said I didn't stay Friday night because I didn't think I should have been fined. So Yeah, and He said, I didn't stay Friday night because I didn't think I should have been fined. So yeah. And he said it's getting annoying too because he's starting to, people are starting to bother

him about shit because his personal life is in the newspapers. So people in bars will shout it out to him and break his balls all the time. That's the thing about print. Yeah. Unless he's a, can be good or bad. Unless he's around, cause he tells stories. If he's around like, you know, he's in New York and he's around some, you know, a bunch of gangsters

and anybody says anything to Joe Pepitone, four fucking, four thick neck guineas get up and beat the shit out of him and throw him outside. But anywhere else, it's, you know, they just pick the people, fuck with them. He said, going out wasn't all that swell. For the last few seasons, I'd been hearing more and more bullshit in saloons.

Everyone knew who I was because I was always in the papers. My whole life has been a newsprint. I was colorful, I was news, and I always talked to writers. So I'd be in a joint sitting across from a guy who had a few drinks in him, and he'd say purposely loud enough for me to hear, there's Joe Pepitone, the asshole. Okay. Okay. That's an interesting way to razz somebody. The asshole, there he is.

Not you suck, that's personal. There's Joe Pepitone, the asshole. Like he's done something to you. I mean, my son said, who's that? And I said, about Johnny Manziel, and I said, the world's biggest loser son. Yeah, a complete asshole. But I didn't say, oh son, that guy's an asshole. There's Johnny Manziel, complete asshole. But I didn't say, oh Sonny, that guy's an asshole.

There's Johnny Manziel, the asshole. While sitting eight feet from him in a bar with no one else around. That didn't even occur to me. No. That is pretty funny, though. That's something you'd whisper, there's Johnny Manziel, the asshole.

No, the asshole. The world famous asshole. That's the guy. There he is. And you whisper like he's a zoo animal so he doesn't scamper away. He said, or because of the fact that I dressed mod, which if you don't know, mod, in the late 60s,

mod was like. Oh, like mod squad. Modern is what it was. The mod squad came from that, from the word mod. So mod So yeah mod was like they'd wear like the funky boots and different kinds of clothes and weird Oh that late 60s, you know classier Yeah, just different not not a checkered sport coat with a fucking you know what I mean and wingtips and not Dick Tracy Exactly, that's how everybody on in America dressed and then this came around So he said maybe because I dressed mod and because of the way I wore my hair Tracy exactly that's how everybody on in America dressed and then this came around

So he said maybe because I dressed mod and because of the way I wore my hair Well, you wore you did wear you wore what was your hair is what you are and what was left of your life Maybe because of that I'd hear there's Joe Pepitone the faggot or I'd walk into a place And a girl at a table would squeal. Oh, that's Joe Pepitone I want his autograph and the guy sitting with her would say what do you want his autograph for? He's a queer What? How'd that go? Cuz he cuz he had a quaff of hair Yeah, it was you know dressed in the mod style and not a clean way

Yeah, he didn't look like Mickey Mantle basically so okay, but he out with Mickey Mantle. So Mickey Mantle didn't care how he dressed. Calling him fascinated by the gay slur. That's anybody with hair that touch your ears was. Yeah, that's that was a queer back then. It was to that kind of, you know, that subsection of society of a lot of the country. He said, I don't know how many times I heard that kind of shit the words would vibrate through my head and make me furious I wasn't brought up to sit still behind bullshit not by Willie not by the neighborhood I came up in I had to learn to control myself learn to bite my tongue or leave the place I'd say to myself fuck it they're envious of you don't let it bother you that's a good

attitude to have here Yeah, he said this may be one of those hard-ons who gets off on trying to push ballplayers I like how they used to call guys hard-ons This fucking hard-on over here. Yeah, that's hilarious Called him a boner Who gets off trying to push ballplayers who wants to provoke you into slugging him just so he can sue you There's a lot of those around and there's Jesus. There's a hundred times more of them now. You just wait, Joey It's gonna get way worse. So worse. That's the beginning of it back late when you did

Yeah, that's the beginning of it back then because even 10 15 years earlier If you beat the shit out of a guy and the cops would show up and go what the Hell you're talking to you know don't say things you can't don't cat right checks your ass can't cash mister And they take the other guy athlete yeah Wrong with you don't don't bother people, but then they got into lawsuits He said I'd often meet a meet a guy in a club, and we'd exchange two sentences And the guy would say I always thought you were a prick, but you're a nice guy two sentences and the guy would say, I always thought you were a prick, but you're a nice guy.

Okay. Again, I'd have to bite my tongue. Sometimes I'd get disgusted and say, well, fuck you, buddy. You thought I was a prick? Well, I am a prick. Shove it up your ass if you don't like it. Which is funny because I get that myself sometimes. Yeah.

Yeah. You're so nice. You're so nice. I thought you'd be a prick, James. You're so nice. I'm like, why? Because I make fun of fucking, are you a professional athlete? I'm making fun of other show? Probably not.

You don't fucking know me. Are you Johnny Manziel? Calm down. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny when people have different opinions. It's like, well, you didn't know us. Why would you have opinions?

Yeah. You don't even know us at all. You know. Isn't it interesting that your perception is wrong? Weird for people you've never met strange, isn't that weird? He said then I'd walk away because I just didn't need that shit Why should anyone think that way about a person if they don't know even know them and I and if I did think it Why and if they did think it why did they when did they find out and who? Why would you say it?

He said, I also had a problem that year in a bar in Detroit. Mel Stottlemeyer and I went in for a drink after a game. Earl Wilson, the Tiger pitcher, was sitting at the bar. I met a girl from the Playboy club and started dancing with her. I was wearing trim fitting pants, which I always wore, and a shirt that was open in the front to show my hairy chest. Yes you were, Joe. Picture it. This scene, yeah. This is quite the scene you're setting here.

Was there a horn nested in that chest hair? There is certainly, well, the maloica, Jimmy. I mean, Jesus, you got to protect yourself, you know what I mean? Just resting right there in the nest. The evil eye can come at any time. You got to have it. Everyone's given one of those by like an aunt or a grandmother or something when you're fucking like five.

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When we danced a little bit closer to the bar, I heard him say, quote, look at that faggot dancing with that pretty girl. I just laughed and said to the girl, don't pay attention to that clown. I like girls. But Mel turned to the guy. Uh oh. Yeah, look at that big homo

about to get laid over there. Look at him, yeah. What a homo. Look at that homo with his hand on that chick's ass. Look at that. Oh, he just left with her like a complete and total queer. Look at him, he left. He just left with a girl and they had their fucking hands in each other's pants.

What a fucking homo, Jesus. Have you ever seen somebody be such a queer in one night? I can't believe it. Had his tits, had his head right in between her tits going back and forth like a big queer, you know what I mean? Holy shit so don't pay any attention to that but Mel Stottlemeyer and Mel Stottlemeyer is kind of a tough guy and Yeah, even his son was like a real like real angry kind of a guy when he for no reason no reason with a real puss face Yeah real angry kind of a guy when he for no reason no reason with a real puss face Yeah

Asshole wouldn't hold together either He'd try and try but it just wouldn't stay together Bad slider. Yeah, Mel's a pretty big guy to Mel Stoudelmeyer So but Mel turned to the guy and said keep your mouth shut The guy ignored him look at the faggot he said loudly. Oh no. Listen said Mel that guy's a friend of mine and he's no faggot so keep your mouth shut. He's dancing with the girl. He's about to fuck this chick. Show your evidence man. Look at his hair. Yeah alright she seems to like it. But look at at his he's got tight pants on yeah, so that chick can see his cock and now he's gonna bang her

You should maybe try tight pants. It's called bait man 1969 Thrusting his pelvis at her. Yeah So when I heard this I had to say something to Mel or it was gonna get into a thing with the fat mouth And if you don't keep your mouth shut I said said to the guy, I'm going to shut it. You ain't going to do nothing, faggot, the guy said. Uh oh. Geez, he has one.

He really likes that word. He's a real button he wants to push. A real one-weapon man. Joe should have fucking French kissed him. That would have been the best way to handle it. And then him and the rest of the Yankees beat the living shit out of him. That would have been great. Just pull it out and be like, well, I'm going to fuck you in front of everybody.

Mel, hold him down. Mel, grab him, hold him down. I'm going to fuck him. I'm going to fuck him in the ass in front of this chick. Just start to open your pants and say, Mel, hold him. If he would have just laid a huge kiss on him and then had the whole team beat the shit out of him, that would have been hilarious because this guy would have had the most confusing night ever. I mean, really he would have got beaten, stomped, kissed. He doesn't know what happened to him. He's all confused. He's so Joe says, I leaped over the railing between the dance floor and the bar. I grabbed the guy around the throat and

my momentum drove his head down onto the bar. I started banging it as hard as I could. Unfortunately against the bar, not with his cock. He broke my grip. Not right in the mouth. He broke my grip, flopped to his feet and picked up a chair. He threw it and I ducked. Now we got a melee.

Now we got a roadhouse melee. Artie. Yeah. Let's get Swayze involved. He said, then I stepped in and punched him. As I started to hit him again, two arms wrapped around me from behind. This guy spun me around and said he was a detective. He snapped handcuffs on my wrist saying you're under arrest. What? Did you hear what he said? Jesus Christ. I'm in trouble. I mean what the fuck? Yeah. Wow. He said what the hell are you arresting me for? That guy started the whole thing and the cop said I saw what you did. You attacked him. Okay. The cop just saw it. He wasn't there listening to the whole thing. Right. Mel confirmed my story and I glanced at Earl Wilson because he's a local. He's a Tigers pitcher so maybe they'll believe

him who was still at the bar and who'd I whom I've known for years With a second witness I'd be freed in a moment, but Earl Wilson wouldn't even look at me you motherfucker You cocksucker help help you queer You queer earl! You chicken shit. Chicken shit. He said Mel and I had to sit down with the detective. This is a hilariously. Oh my.

He's going to sit down in a nightclub with music blasting with Mel trying to explain it and Joe also speaking with his hands while handcuffed in front. Going listen, I was over here trying to... That guy. When you see that, it's those movements to get... Two hands going back. You know, the thing. And then this guy, he was over, no, when you see that, it's those movements to get good. Two hands going back. You know, the thing, and then this guy, he was over, no, right here, right here!

He's pointing with his hands out. Trying to smoke a cigarette like that, like, so I'm telling you right now, I love that, that's the funniest thing. Then I had- While screaming the word queer and faggot into a detective's face. Yeah, and he kept saying it over and over.

He said that we had to explain the whole incident in detail before he took the handcuffs off me. Then I had to go to the station house and press charges against the other guy to protect myself in case he pressed charges on me. Oh, God Jesus. This turned out into a big fucking mess obviously. So the Yankees are going to fine and suspend him on August 30th here. An indefinite suspension without pay. I got a feeling he didn't bang that chick from the Playboy Club either.

No, I don't think he did. Once the smoke cleared he's like, where'd that chick go? Where'd she go? Shit. She went home with the big mouth, damn it. So this article, by the way, this is like you know, the fucking fucking an AP article here, UPI article. So it's going out to every newspaper in the land. It says Pepitone, the perennial team jester whose practical jokes have provided some of the few laughs enjoyed by the club in another dull Yankee season. That's what they say. Pepitone, known to be in money difficulties, was said to be on the threshold of a financial deal they could give him his first business success

Whether the outcome of this venture affected his playing status is unknown Yankees first baseman is also encountering marital troubles He's paying alimony to one wife and is separated from a second spouse. He has three children by these marriages So they're talking just all of his business the back then that was this was like the very beginning of this This is the late 60s. You didn't see this shit They used to not they used to purposely not tell you when players had troubles Yeah, but all of those all of those numbers equate to a giant number Leaving his bank account every couple of weeks. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of holy hell. And he's suspended probably without pay. Yeah

So he said Pepitone had apologized to Ralph Houch saying I was 100% in the wrong for what I did I apologized to Ralph and we'll do the same to the players tomorrow. That's for missing games He said I respected how I respected how so much he let you know, this is later on He said this he let you know his disappointment if you made an error swung late or didn't run hard but he never yelled he'd give you a nasty look or tell a coach about your error and make sure that you didn't do it again so 1969 Joe plays in 135 games it's 242 with 27 homers actually that you're not bad at all and he is a gold glover as well so problem is is on base percentage is only 284.

So he's not walking a whole lot. No. That's a fucking issue here. He's just swinging for the fences. Every time he's up to bat it sounds like. He's a lefty at Yankee Stadium. So he's trying to yank it into the short porch and stay on the team here.

So he makes $35,000 in salary that year. Yeah. Now he says, up until this time time I'd been too embarrassed to admit I was wearing a hairpiece Really some more hair shit. Yeah a year or so before I had done a hairspray commercial on television a Hairspray commercial. Yeah spraying the the toupee the rug you can make it do anything. It's you don't even have to have it on your head It's way easier. Yeah, just do it in front of you. I put it on on the palm of your hand fuck Yeah, that's so much easier. He said and later had been offered

$5,000 to do a hairpiece commercial which I turned down an embarrassment It had taken me a while to realize that the fact that a man wore a hairpiece was nothing to be embarrassed about That a man wore a hairpiece was nothing to be embarrassed about Hell guys wear hats on their heads to make them look better if a hair if a hair hat made you look better And feel better why not a hair hat I? mean know All of his logic is out the fucking window I don't understand why that is by the way like no we make fun of guys for getting pieces Like I feel bad for guys who have like don't have why that is, by the way. Like, we make fun of guys for getting pieces.

Like, I feel bad for guys who have, like, who don't have the hair they want. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I feel lucky. But that, care about that, want the hair. You don't care, though. I want it. Oh, forget, I want it more than anything.

Yeah. But I can't have it, and I know it, and it's okay. That's what I mean, you've accepted it. Some guys can't accept it, I know it and it's okay. That's that's what I mean You've accepted it. Some guys can't accept it though. And those guys that wear that's the sad part It's not that they're wearing it. It's the sad part that they can't Understand that it's okay not to but a woman has a boob job after she has four kids and they fucking deflate her tits And everybody goes. Oh, well, it makes her feel better. Why is that? Okay, you should do that for yourself later tits and everybody goes, oh, well, it makes her feel better. Why is that? Okay. You should do that for yourself. It's not glued on receptacles. Why can't she accept

it? Well, they even get transplants or whatever. I don't know. They were a little trees up front, little rose. But why is that? Why is it? If a man tries to fucking look half decent like, oh, you fucking loser. Except, except that you're a bald piece of shit accept that you're fat yeah your dick doesn't work all that but yeah with a woman it's like oh it's great for her to you know except that you're flat yeah except that your tits are awful now the same way a man had to accept his fucking hair fell out because he's older guess what your tits got batter worse got batter got worse your tits are worse than my English because you got older And I'm not saying women should get the tits and guys

Get the tits get the hair is what I'm saying if you want I'm saying if you want it. I don't know. Who cares? If you're going to wear a piece, make it ridiculous though. Make it so I can tell it's a piece. Really make it a- Well, here's the thing. There are very few out there that you can't tell.

It's very obvious. For God's sake. That's true. They're pretty funny. They're pretty clear. There's a lot of famous guys that are wearing them and they don't even acknowledge it. It's like, come on, man. Burt Reynolds for fucking 50 years,

he wore a guy like this. Or the transplants, get your fucking transplants or whatever they do. I don't know how that fucking works. The fucking staple shit into your skull, that's crazy too. Well, I mean, something's being stuffed into your tit hole. That's the same thing, I think, right?

Joe Buck's done it like four fucking times. A lot of these guys have. It's a fucking famous guy because it's expensive. It's an invasive surgery. It's very expensive. It takes a long time for that shit to heal and then you got to do it a bunch. It seems rough. That's what I'm saying. It's not, I wouldn't undertake it, but no. That's what I'm gonna run this shit. If that makes you feel good, I guess great. Go for it. You got me a Phillips Norelco, and I'm saying if it's... That's how I'm gonna run this shit. If that makes you feel good, I guess, great, go for it. You got me a Phillips & Rilko and I'm thrilled about it. If a hair hat made you look better and feel better, why not?

That's a great line. Hair hat. A hair hat. Like it's that visor with the Guy Fieri hair hat. Yeah, yeah. Well, it reminds me on Seinfeld, he called when Costanza had a wig on the one time, he goes, your little hair hat there. Sari says it on the one time, he goes, your little hair hat there.

Jerry says it about his hair. Your little hair hat there. That's why I like hair hat. The underwriters agreed to invest $100,000 in Joe Pepitone's My Place, and we're all excited about the shop. It was going to be a beautiful place. It's a hair place. We got 20 of the- That's great. Yeah, it be a beautiful place. It's a hair place. We got 20 of the best.

That's great. Yeah, it's a smart idea. People put him together with hair, so why not? He said, we got 20 of the very best hair stylists in New York to take care of our customers. We made them an offer they couldn't refuse. We rented them the chairs for a flat fee, and they in turn paid us 5% of the profit and kept everything else they made, which is a good deal for the people cutting hair if it's a busy place. George and Dominic and I were there every day supervising construction.

We could hardly wait for my place to open, but I just couldn't believe any of it. Everything, single thing I touched turned to horse shit usually. Even when I made an effort, tried my damnedest, nothing ever fucking worked out right. All my past failures were also bombarding my head without let up. In the blackest, quietest moments of the night, I was still hung up on Diane, his second wife, on the fact that I'd destroyed a marriage to a fine woman. I couldn't live with her, couldn't make it with her, but I couldn't get her out of my mind either.

I visited her and Lisa, his daughter, less and less frequently. Even though Diane and I were still married, we were not even legally separated. I was separated by some 3000 miles from Eileen and my son, his first marriage, and those kids. And that fact continued to fester in the back of my mind like a tumor. And if I didn't have enough shit coming down on me, I was now such a popular target for subpoena servers that even friends were nailing me No, I bought a hairpiece from a friend for $300 early in the season How I'd love to see his hairpiece closet cuz it's I bet it is vast Just vast hilarious that his friends are like I don't like this one anymore

I'm gonna call Joe about and see if he wants it See if he wants it. Maybe he'll like it. Yeah, I think maybe a guy makes it I don't know. He asked me for the money several times and I told him I would take care of the bill as soon as I got The cash it's a guy with a shop. Okay, you know one night He was in a box seat at the stadium and he called me over before the game Joe. Come here I want you to meet someone I Walked over at the end of batting practice and he introduced me to the girl with him Then he said I'm sorry and handed me a subpoena. I Saw all fans I saw all all around fans all around looking at us. Thanks a lot. You prick

I said I really appreciate you doing this in front of all these people Jesus fucking asshole. So Joe Pepitone's My Place opened to sensational reviews. All kinds of men were getting into long hair, mod clothes, and jewelry, and we happened to have some of each. So it was like a modern, yeah, it wasn't a barber shop, it was like a beauty salon for men, which was a completely different idea. Clean you up. Get you, yeah.

Completely different idea. First clear eye for the straight guy. Except these were all straight guys for the most part. These are probably a lot of still Italian barbers I'm sure he got. Actually women I think is what he got. That's smart. He was saying he got the hottest stylist. So I think he got hot women in a place where guys can come in and feel cool.

I think that was the point of the whole thing. So he said, the money poured in. George Dominic and I were suddenly entrepreneurs. We started making plans to franchise the shops in cities around the country and in Puerto Rico. The underwriters were also excited and talked about the corporation going public and issuing stock. Wow. It's going to be like, yeah, a huge deal. That would really make us tycoons. More on that later, obviously. He ends up December 4th, 1969 here after the 69 season. He is traded by the Yankees. Right.

Yes, he is traded to the Houston Astros this year. Really? Yes, for Kurt Bleffrey. So that's, he is like synonymous with the Yankees at this point. So it's very strange to see him going to Houston. That is some fish out of water shit from New York to Houston. To Houston, yeah. It's very, very, it's very odd here.

So very different. And Houston back then too was a very like a new city. It wasn't a- Yeah, in the 60s? That's like the wild west still. Yeah. I think 69 is when the Astrodome opened too. So it was like this new, everything was new, new, new.

So they said this was the 19, December 4th, 1969, New York Times wrote, Joe Pepitone, the last and most controversial of the old Imperial New York Yankees was traded to the Houston Astros yesterday for Kurt Bleffrey. The straight interleague exchange ended Pepitone's eight-year career as the long-haired, long-talking Peck's Bad Boy of Yankee Stadium. His exit had been long rumored but never quite attained, though the Yankees had been making

strenuous efforts to trade him after he disappeared twice last August the general manager said in a sense I feel relieved of a problem believed of a problem but it'll be hard to imagine the Yankee Club without him he's been a real good player but not as good as everyone hoped he'd be he was colorful and had the spirit of youth and some problems that go with that in other words, not good enough to justify him being kind of a pain in the ass anymore. Being a story. So he talked about, by the way, that the hairdryer that they blew the talcum powder out here, he told Rolling Stone that when I brought a hairdryer into the clubhouse, they thought I was a hairdresser or something. They didn't know what the hell

was going on, you know. I'd walk in with a black Nehru jacket on, beads, my hair slicked back. It was ridiculous. I think about it now and I laugh. Because you're walking into the Yankee locker room which was Mickey Mantle and his old-timey country music and like a bunch of these old guys going, all right there let me get that Crack me open a beer and he's like who wants to smoke a joint and fucking you know Where's your blow dryer like it's just a Vidal Sassoon with a joint wall. Yeah, very different so 1970 here he goes to the Astros there's

7983 that year So not that great, but I think they had a run toward the end of the year, but then kind of fell off That's Joe Morgan's on that team and Bob Watson and one of the aloos Jesus aloos say sarsaddae neos on that team. So a bunch of kind of a What's the Larry Dirk or I think yeah, Larry Dirk or was on that team the manager for a long time there He was a pitcher that year. So pretty damn good team, but the Astros were very much, they were, the Yankees were so used to having veterans for so long,

they had all these veterans that you kind of were allowed to do what you wanted. There wasn't real, weren't real strict on curfews or any of that shit, because you couldn't enforce it on Mickey Mantle. So how the fuck are you to enforce it on other people? But the Astros, it's a completely different deal. Their manager Harry Walker is known for being a real stick up his ass kind of a guy.

Really? Oh yeah, bed checks. You'll do what I tell you. Yeah. So they said the Astros were very stringent. A player could get fined $250 for missing curfew. Wow. Yeah.

They said when Pepitone didn't show up for a team workout during the All-Star break, he was fined $250. So he said he was hurt because he got hit by a pitch and they said, well, tough shit. He said quote about his manager quote, I can't stand Harry Walker. I can't stand general manager spec Richardson. I can't stand all the regulations. I can't stand a million rules. Yeah. Well also Houston where the fuck you're gonna go in 1969 it can't be no much of a fucking hotspot right no not really I think it was just mainly the like the space stuff was there so that's it was kind of a new newer city in terms of like you know becoming a kind of a place yeah a hub

right a place where people would move to. So he said he would argue with Harry Walker about everything. He'd go, why? I don't understand these stupid rules. Why are why do you have this dumb rule? Why? Why do you have to enforce it? Why do you have to be picky? So he, he went back to New York at one point and just got on a plane and went home. And then he said the next day told the press that he wasn't going to go to St. Louis for the team's next road trip. So they suspended him indefinitely without pay. I'm not going to hang out with those guys.

No. So he ends up being picked up. They put him on waivers because he doesn't want to be there. Well, we'll give you a thing here. He said the Astros went off on road trip on a road trip after this starting in Pittsburgh a notice was posting regarding Regarding rooming assignments. This was his final straw why he quit by the way. Okay, all of a sudden. I had a roommate Veterans had their own rooms generally and then younger guys would have roommates I had a roommate pitcher George Culver a nice guy and I were to room together

I went right to Harry Walker who was in his office in the clubhouse Harry someone's made a mistake I told him I'm listed to have a roommate on this road trip. I room alone That's my agreement with spec Richardson the general manager. That's part of the deal He said you have no agreement that I know of you have a roommate George Culver So he said Harry I'm rooming alone and he said I said you're getting a roommate and he said no I alone. And he said, I said, you're getting a roommate. And he said, no, I'm not. Harry said, what I say goes and you're getting a roommate. Joe says, quote, what you say is shit. I'm rooming alone. What I say goes. What you say is shit. That's amazing. He said, What you say is shit, man. Queer.

I'm rooming alone. I have an agreement with Richardson. I'm not rooming with anybody. You want to bet? He said, you want to bet I'm not? He said, what makes you think so? And Pepitone says, because I quit. That's why.

Because I'm going to go back to New York. Fuck off. Yep. He said, I went back to my cubicle and packed my personal belongings. George Culver came over and said, Joe, what's wrong with me? What'd I do? As a joke, obvious. That's just fucking funny, which is a hilarious.

Baseball players, no matter what, will break balls. So what's wrong with me, asshole? He said nothing. I said, it's not personal. I just don't want to room with anybody. And he said, smiling, quote, wow, I thought it was me. But Joe, how can you give up the kind of money you're making and Joe said they don't give me any choice yeah so he has purchased for $20,000 off waiver waivers by the

Chicago Cubs at that point okay which Chicago's a perfect place for him by the way there his little brand of colorful and you hit a few home runs you can you'll never pay for another drink in Chicago for the rest of your life they'll fucking love them there. Chicago loves Italians too. There's a bunch of that's the other bunch of Italians there a community there to support you I don't know how much how much of an Italian community there was in Houston really. I can't imagine. In 1969. Getting very thick. No. He said I'm very happy everything has worked out just great going to a contender is the greatest thing of all.

I can only hope I can help them. Because the Cubs are decent. Contender, it's been 50 years. They were decent at that point though. That year they finished the year 84 and 78. And second in the NLE. So they were almost a playoff team. Leo DeRoscher, the Cubs manager,

and a famous loud mouth fighting crazy son of a bitch, Leo DeRoscher is the craziest He said I plan to start him in centerfield I'm not at all worried about the problems he's had with any other club all I know is he's a hell of a player And I think it's a hell of a deal. I'm very pleased and I'm very happy The Rocher does he's done worse. So he's like I don't care what the fuck he said or dead. It's fine Absolutely fine. So yeah, this team has Ron Santo and Billy Williams and the worse so he's like I don't care what the fuck he said or did it's fine absolutely fine so yeah this team has Ron Santo and Billy Williams and the back when Ernie Banks at age 39 playing

first base wow but still a legend you know obviously here what do you do that you're 252-12 homers only played 72 games Ernie Banks so Fergie Jenkins also on that team I mean that's a it's a kind of a loaded team with a bunch of Hall of Famers on it. Not bad at all. So, here is an incident from September 1970. This is when this happened. It was at the Cubs are going against Pittsburgh trying to get first place in the NL East. The Cubs had blown a nine and a half game lead the previous year in 69. That was the year the Mets came on and had their big year. So he said you know they were trying to make up for it this year. They said after

a particularly inept performance, DeRosha locked the clubhouse doors for a talk with his players. The doors remained closed for a full 45 minutes which is Oh that's a talk baseball managers do not do that you can't football coaches do that because there's only one game a week 16 games there's 162 games if you did this all the time it would take no time before people just tune out you can't do that also you're playing again tomorrow night probably these guys at rest exactly so they said the legend surrounding that tongue-lashing grew in stature over the years largely because concrete and steel rendered Leo's roaring unintelligible, but also because

no one on the inside ever talked about it. Ron Santo said, with good reason, he said, even considering the mean, foul, nasty things Leo used to say to us all the time, this may have been his finest hour. Really? God, I wish that was recorded so much. Oh, this may have been his finest hour. Really? God, I wish that was recorded so much. Oh man. Don't you wish you could hear? What could he have said?

Behind closed doors, just you fucking pussy youths. It must have been amazing. Yeah, because the Earl Weaver shit is fantastic. And it's, nobody knew that he was saying that until, I mean, fairly recently, right? It wasn't. This would have been like the Buddy Rich Oh, have you ever heard the buddy rich tapes? No Oh, it's a famous thing like old comics used to pass them around to each other. It's the funniest non non-intention I'm not intentionally funny thing that's ever been recorded buddy Rich is the old drummer and he's great known as one of the legendary fucking drummer in the 40s 50 60s

So he would have this he'd go around doing these shows with this band and have all these brass instruments and all that and They start he used to abuse the guys in the bus for hours afterwards I'm talking why fucking rip them new assholes because they weren't perfect. It wasn't perfect And and so eventually somebody started recording it. There's all these recordings of him just gone you fucking you son of a bitch I swear to Christ I'll pull this fucking bus over and fucking drop you off and I don't need any of you fucking people I'll be out there by myself by alone. I don't care. He's like freaking out. That's where At one point he goes fucking kids in the park play better than you with their fucking instruments. Look at you You're fucking you're off time. I'll tell you what buddy, you're not fucking irreplaceable. You're not. I'll replace you with anybody."

Like just all this shit. He's going, some lines from Seinfeld came out of that actually because Larry, Dave and Jerry thought it was the funniest thing in the world. When George tells the guy, I'll take you outside and I'll show you what it's like. That's a Buddy Rich line from there. Show you what it's like. He threatens, he's just yelling, he goes, I'll take you there. That's show you what it's like. He threatens. He's just yelling. He goes, I'll take you outside and I'll show you what it's like. And he's just threatening to beat the shit out of his band and they're just

silently sitting there. It's hilarious. So they said the first 30 minutes of the rip rated only slightly better than DeRosha's usual fare. He ticked off the failings of every player position by position, questioning their guts, manhood, ancestry, and intelligence. Ancestry and intelligence? Everything's on the table here.

Wow, Jesus, this is getting racial even. Oh, absolutely. He insulted, cajoled, and threatened each in turn, then moved onto the team in general. So, and then Santo said, just as Leo always did after he worked off steam, he asked whether anybody else had anything to say. Oh, which everyone goes. Nope. No, Santo says now we're all used to Leo carrying on. So most of us would sit there with our heads

down, take it, wait till he goes back in his office and then it's over and fuck him. He said which would have been this kid that which would have been the case this time too, except for Pepitone. I got something to go to. Pepitone had arrived there recently and he said, so he's sitting there. He was presumptuous enough to think that entitled him to talk back to Leo because he's from the Yankees and all that, he said. So Santo says, so Leo finishes and Pepitone says yeah Leo I got something to say he says I've got to agree with you on most of this stuff I'm on your side. He said but then I don't know why maybe it's because

Pepitone and I are both Italians or maybe because he feels somebody ought to defend me He says but one thing Leo, you've got no right climbing on Ronnie's back. Ron Santo. He's a great player. Ronnie's doing everything for this ball club you can ask a guy to do. So he said, words that could indeed chill an Italian heart. I immediately, this is Santo, I immediately bury my face in my hands because I know what's

coming and I'm just trying to control myself. Leo looks at Pepitone with this screwed up grin on his face and says almost sweetly, are you finished? Is that all you got? Oh no. He's so amused he repeats it but louder this time. Are you quite fucking finished? And then Leo tees off.

He said, I've heard plenty of cursing in my lifetime and plenty of it from Leo, but nothing like what I heard that day. He says, why don't you suck his cock? He says, put it this way. I lost it. I jumped up, grabbed Leo, pinned him on the bench. Remember he was in his sixties by now, held his face in one hand and loaded the other one into a fist. I could have killed him. This is Santo. It was too much. But you know what? The whole time I'm holding him helpless, he's not blinking. He isn't flinching. He isn't blinking. He isn't showing any trace of fear in his face. None. Almost like he's daring me to hit him. He's a crazy old man, Leo DeRosier. He said, now I'm looking right into his eyes and this thing is dragging on and the longer it goes on, the more I realize I'm holding a frail old man ready to punch him.

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You little old... I realize I'm gonna beat the shit out of an old fucking frail man here. So because Papatone defended Sant... he let Santo have it worse. Yeah, and that's what he knew. He knew that was coming. That's why he said, oh shit, Jesus, you just fucked me. He knew that was coming. That's why he said, oh shit Jesus You don't say this nice thing about me Oh now he's just gonna attack me twice as hard to show him that you didn't show you that he can you fucking idiot He doesn't give a shit about what you just said and then they laid it to him enough for Santa goes All right. Now I gotta kick his ass. It's too it's too much

so the 71 Cubs finish 83 and 79, third in the NL East here. And yeah, so they're doing okay, but not setting the world on fire. Pepitone plays in 115 games, hits 307 this year, which is a career high in batting average. 16 home runs, 61 RBI, 19 doubles, not too fucking shabby, honestly. Pretty good year.

He says, this is off the field, I remember one time we had a couple of chicks at my place. This'll be good. Here we go. We started smoking some dope, stripped down, paired off and started balling on the king-size bed. Jesus, what a fucking, what a wild style time here. Summing up his night so eloquently, but like, Jesus, what a fucking wild style time here.

Summing up his night so eloquently but like so reckless. So reckless, yeah. Just a couple of chicks started balling them on the same bed together. The girl I was with whom I'll call Jenny, you know it's going to be interesting if you won't name her because he named fucking Strokey the sex pot last time. He said, started groaning and sighing and yipping and screaming. Wow, I said to myself, I must be really great tonight. Alfred, you hear her?

I said, glancing over at him. Okay. Oh, God. It's weird enough that they're fucking in the same room. That's weird. Weird enough that they're fucking on the same bed. But to be like talking to each other in the middle of it. Being involved in it.

Too much. Yeah, brother, you really got her going, he said. Jesus. As he started working faster. Oh, god. Jenny's breathing was becoming heavier and heavier, her groans quicker and deeper and her head was tossing from side to side. I was really turned on and I saw that the girl under Alfred wasn't reacting at all no matter how hard he worked

Oh Jenny grown oh Suddenly her head stopped waggling she opened her eyes and said Joe would you mind getting off me for a minute? I have to take a pee That's the problem here. She's got to pee the whole time and he's probably leaning on her. Hurry up, I got a piss. Alfred let out a roar and collapsed on his girl. Oh, you're good, he said.

You're so good tonight. She's been putting on an act all this time and you've been digging it. He rolled off his girl and just lay there laughing. You ruined his sex too. You fucked his sex. Everybody's sex is fucked up. Joe's sexual adventures are hilarious. They really are.

He's a disaster. It's crazy how much he gets. Good for him. And he still can't put it all together. No. That's the fun part. He still has a hard time. He's got so much practice.

1972, the Cubs were second place in the NL East, 85 and 70. So there's bridesmaids every year here, every single fucking year. He was upset because they wouldn't increase his salary. Yeah, after he bat 300, fuck yeah. Yeah, he wants a salary kind of upped a little bit. And yeah, so by the end of May, Pepitone meets with Cubs general manager John Holland and DeRosier and he agreed to come back because he didn't want to come back in the beginning of the year because they weren't going to give him money.

He was holding out. So he basically said, I'm retiring. And they were like, are you retiring or are you trying to angle for a trade or what are you doing here? So yeah, he ends up playing 66 games that year and hitting 262 with eight homers. So not the best 1973 the Cubs are 77 and 84. But that doesn't matter because he'll be on the Braves by the end of the season. So really, that's fine. Yeah, he's he's going to be there May 19 1973 traded by the Cubs to the Atlanta Braves and for Andre Thornton. And he said, it's a shock to me.

He said, I knew I gave the club a little bit of trouble, but I didn't think it would lead to this. This is extreme. It sent me all the way to Atlanta, that's far. I believe the reason I was traded was the money troubles I've had with the team. I don't believe it was because of my ability. I can do as good a job as any first baseman.

So Atlanta, 76 and 85 baseman. So, Atlanta, 76 and 85 that year. Wow, they were managed by Eddie Matthews, who's the legendary Hall of Fame 500 home run guy. I had no idea he was a manager ever, so that's interesting. The Braves, by the way, were 11th out of 12 teams in attendance in the National League. Really? Second to last in National League attendance. Under a million people that year. 800,000, 655 were their year-long attendance. Is that why Ted put it on fucking everywhere? To try to get the popularity up? Before Ted bought it.

Yeah. Ted bought the team for programming for a station, not the other way around. That was all he bought it for, huh? Yeah, because it was cheap and he could, it was a good place to dump a lot of, write off a lot of money. And they put out 162 games a year, He bought it for huh? Yeah, cuz there was cheap and he could have you know good place to dump water right off Yeah, and they put out 162 games a year and I can get you know 90 of them and play them on the great fills Three hours a night perfect because he had no programming. So uh, yeah this he goes here

This is a Davey Johnson. The ill manager of the Mets is there Darrell Evans playing third base and of course Dusty Baker in centerfield Oh look at that and Hank Aaron is there too 73 74 is when he broke the record So he played with Hank Aaron and Ernie Banks Hank Aaron Ernie Banks and Mickey Mantle Yeah, and Roger Maris and I was coached by Joe DiMaggio Like he's Wow been around so many of these legendary fucking people. What a cool life. What a cool fucking life. That'll need girl on this team. That'll need no fucking money. Made no money to show for it.

All those other people doing great, him not so much. So he ends up only playing three games for the Braves where he goes four for 11, which isn't bad. That's actually over 300, that's good. And, but he ends up on May 26th, he quits. Just done. He's done, he leaves the Braves, doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. And June of 73, a couple weeks later, he is lured away, and I mean away, like away away,

not just to Atlanta, not just to California, to the Nippon, fucking, to Nippon fucking to Nippon Japan to play with the Tokyo Yakult Adams meaning Adams like atom bomb, which is incredible for a place that was destroyed by an atom bomb. That's why why would they do that? Yeah, so pepito goes to Japan they pay they give him a two-year $70,000 contract and they pay the Braves year $70,000 contract and they pay the Braves $150,000 for him. Just to get him. Just to get him. So, in his first game, he had a sixth inning single that knocked in the winning run and they had a two to one win over the Yamamori Giants.

After 14 games, Pepitone asked for his release. He's batting 163 also. I just don't think he doesn't really like Japan that much. In his brief career there, he skipped games for injuries that he claimed, but then he would be seen out at the nightclub that night. So I just think he wasn't interested here. The Japanese basically, they said that around his team, his name became the slang word for goof off. Isn't that funny?

I don't know if it still is, I don't know if it's spread all over Japan or not. If you have Japanese listeners, let us know. That's what happens when they spend 190 grand to get you and you do this shit. That's not that's a problem. So January 9th 1974 Nothing's going well. No couldn't be going worse. What are you gonna do Jimmy? Let's find out You gotta break a crime and sports rule. He's getting married. Let's let's go. I don't fix it all Who's he gonna marry that'll fix it all this chick. Here's a picture of them together in the newspaper Who's he gonna marry that'll fix it all this chick. Here's a picture of them together in the newspaper

Okay, there. He is sir. I don't know some lady now. It's a former Playboy Club bunny Stephanie Shipley I wonder if that's the gal from the club that night. Maybe you'd never know fight over her They get married in Chicago, and that's that May 21st 1974 He pepetones. There's a big article here because that says Joe pepetones tail is denied in Japan So they said an official of the Tokyo ya killed Adams baseball club flushed with anger Tuesday When told that ex-major leaguer Joe Pepitone had accused the club of forcing him to play despite an ankle injury when he was in Japan.

The team said, this man said, don't remind us of that guy. His story is not even worth a comment. This guy said that Pepitone disappeared after playing 14 games. He said that he was released after he failed to join the workouts of the clubs in spring training. He said Pepitone wrote of his Japanese experiences for the New York Times in which he said Japanese manager ordered him to play despite ankle trouble and that he was charged $2,000 a month for a two bedroom apartment that had doors only four feet, five inches high, which is hilarious.

Obviously. I would hope they're higher than that, probably. The general manager said, everybody in Japan knows it's a flat lie. His apartment doors were six feet high and as are most of the other Japanese apartments. Holy shit. Six feet? That's all you get? So many concussions. Oh my god. I'd have fucking CTE in six months if I lived there. That's fascinating. What's the standard here? It's eight and a half. Seven I think. Seven feet, seven and a half. For interior? I think there's seven foot doors. Yeah that makes sense. So yeah he said the club paid his rent. We took him to a

top-notch doctor who assured us nothing was wrong with his ankle. So 1975 is when his autobiography comes out. Joe, you could have made us proud, which we've heard so many excerpts from. And that's why we won't hear any more because it ends at 1975. So there you go. It's called a tell-all baseball memoir and it's in the vein of Ball Four and a couple of the others at that time. Where he admits to crimes. Where he admits to having sex with 13 year olds. It received a lot of attention. A lot of it was about obviously his self-destructive ways, but also about how he just make fun

of himself so much. I mean, that was a big deal. The next year, and this is amazing, he is going to pose for a magazine called Foxy Lady, which is fucking hilarious. Yeah, in the book, they talk about how funny it was that he was smoking weed with Mickey Mantle and all that kind of shit. So, Pepitone says that in this, he says that he, I gave them ample reason to be concerned about me, about my self-destructiveness, meaning my family, because this is when his autobiography comes out, it's a big deal. He says that, he said everything he does that he knows he has to pay a price. He says, I know now that you can't fuck yourself over without messing up the people you care

about most. And with that knowledge comes the greatest pain of all. You do what you have to do and you pay the price but you pay it doubly when you see how it hurts others you love. So his Foxy Lady centerfold comes out. Oh boy, Foxy Lady. Foxy Lady. That's dudes? Entertainment for women. Yeah it's a chick playboy except with full frontal Oh just cocks just cocks day everywhere. Yeah. Yep, and I the articles in it too Here's the articles from the front cover IUD a woman's compromise for pleasure Male ego explode exposed Florence King first women's bank. That's another story Joe Pepitone bigger than ever centerfold

in interview. That's what you want when you have your cock out in a magazine. You want it to say Joe Pepitone, bigger than ever. That's on the cover, perfect. Enter at your own risk, male locker room and subordinate housewives. Those are the six articles that they have. Here are some choice cuts from the spread. Oh wow, Joe. Look, he has got the hairiest chest ever. He's proud of himself, huh? There's his gunshot wound scar there. There it is, yeah. And that's his cock. It's cut off on

here but his cock is dangling. There he is. That one's hilarious. He's standing there. Oh, he's sitting on a couch. Oh yeah, he's laid out on a couch with his hands behind his head big smile like look at my penis Which is very funny. Yeah, that is hilarious By the way, we'll tell you where you can find that an issue that magazine So 1975 Here's an article from the Daily News it says two weeks ago Joe Pepitone walked into a Chicago apartment, turned on the television

set and there he was watching all the familiar figures he'd known so well. There was Moose Scourin and Elston Howard and Dick Houser playing baseball. So then Joe Pepitone heard Harry Carrey, the announcer for the White Sox say, Joe Pepitone was supposed to be here folks, but nobody has heard from him. It's an old timers game. He was supposed to play and he didn't know. So Joe said they didn't hear from me because nobody ever contacted me directly about being there.

I never knew I was invited. What the hell? He said I jumped clubs in Houston, Chicago and Tokyo. They'll just think I jumped an old timers game now. That's what people think and he was like, what the fuck man? This is ridiculous. They say that Joe Pepitone, it's because he never cared that when you mention his name around major league ballparks, people will shake their heads, shrug their shoulders and

say he could have been something special. He could have been one of the great ones. Could have made us proud, Joe. Yeah, could have made us proud. That's why he said that. Pepitone though he said I think I want something special he said I had over 200 home runs how many guys did that which is true. Yeah he's all-star games got old gloves I mean he's got World Series easy what the fuck he said they say the official count is

219 homers and 721 RBI not Not bad for a guy who played with no sleep and with the constant fear for the next person he shook hands with could be a process server or a bill collector. Joe Pepitone had a pretty good, very flamboyant career. He earned a lot of money playing baseball, not really. He earned almost as much as he spent, they said. Yep. That's not a good sentence. And he said the same thing. He earned almost as much as he spent they said Yeah

That's not a good sentence. And he said the same thing He said he could have if he had a different attitude He could have been better He said if I had the attitude of a Tommy trash, I could have been a hundred thousand dollar ballplayer But what the hell when I was playing ball I made good money and I couldn't hold on to it if I made more I wouldn't have been able to hold on to That either like he would have saved it. Yeah, he said I blew a lot of money and I'm not even a gambler and I'm not a drinker. I blew all that money.

He said, that's not easy to blow all the money I did without drinking or gambling, but I did just that. How the fuck do you do it? Just pisses it away, goes out, picks up tabs. He's one of those guys. Gets married. Yep. So he said he has a book now out that out they're talking about and he said writing that book was such therapy

he said he just talked into a tape recorder and had the Ghost writer just put it on paper, which is exactly what it sounds like when you read it It's exact what I've read just so many passages. It's just a guy talking, you know So he said it was like going to a psychiatrist just rapping It took all these years to get all these things out, and I'm glad that I did. Talking about them made me realize how dumb I was, how many mistakes I made. He said, it's a heavy book and it gets into everything. Maybe you will rate it triple X, but maybe it will help some young kids coming along.

Maybe they'll read it and say, look at that guy, man. He really screwed up, man. I can't make those mistakes. He said, I won't knock baseball. No way. I don't want to hurt baseball because it's been good to me. I enjoyed a lot about baseball. I loved it. Then it got like work and all the pressure involved and I didn't like it anymore. He said, but that's not baseball's fault. It's mine. I couldn't cope. Everything that happened to me, all the trouble, it's my own fault. I have else to blame maybe if I if my father had lived things would have been different He was tough on me and he would have kept me in line

I didn't understand him at the time being tough on me and beating up on me But now I realize it was the only way he knew how to show me he loved me Now I realize what he was trying to do. I kind of got I now I I got a kid of my own Billy Joe He's 16 months. He's got another kid with this other wife here. Jesus God. This is his third family he's started. What the fuck, Joe? And a terrific wife.

When she gets mad at me, she tells me to get the hell out of here. My other wives wouldn't dare tell me that because I do it. You just take off for a month. I could have been whatever I wanted to be in baseball. If I got the proper rest, you get the proper rest, you gotta play better, right? But that's done now. I got a new life and I'm digging it. Digging, seeing my kid all the time. I never saw my other kids. I don't have much

money but I don't need much, just enough to feed my wife and kid. I can handle it. Really, I can. Okay. So he decides in October of 1975, he is going to open up a Chicago disco called the Silver Palace. Here we go. Here we go. Wow, that's fucking hilarious. Where's it at?

Does he say? It's in Chicago. Yeah, but where in Chicago? Does it say? Well, here's an article. It says during his playing days, Pepitone started a bar and a hair salon both bore his name and went under the bars bottom line cratered when the Chicago PD caught the bar in a crackdown on drug use in the Rush Street area as The only celebrity owner he unwillingly dominated the media coverage if there were drugs in my bar

I didn't know about it said Pepitone Street there was a fucking fucking drugs in a disco in 1976. On Rush Street. On Rush Street. On Chicago. What disco, you should, oh fucking Studio 54, their fucking heads would have melted. Are you kidding me? Oh my God.

What disco didn't have tons of drugs at that time? You couldn't help that as an owner. That's insane. It's not his fault. Fucking ridiculous. So he returns to professional baseball in 76 where in Hawaii where everybody goes to play professional baseball He played 13 games. That's about his limit 13 14 games Yeah a couple weeks. Yeah for the Hawaii Islanders who was in the triple a Pacific Coast League He had 12 hits scored five runs and hit 222

Okay 1978 to 1980 the American professional slow pitch Baseball league here softball league beer league beer league It was the first of several of these leagues formed during the 70s and 80s It built is you know, they were trying to get old guys and come and pay to watch them. Pepitone joined the Trenton Statesmen, they assumed Trenton, New Jersey, and put up respectable numbers. He's fucking better at softball. It's slow pitch. It may as well be T-ball. I think it's against guys who played though,

but still. But it's still slow pitch. He hit $4 489 with 14 homers and 61 RBI and that's not even impressive I don't think for now I really hit a thousand and then in 79 he hit 410 with nine homers and 30 RBI The Detroit Caesars, I assume Little Caesars Ownership probably cuz that's Detroit that's owned from Detroit. Yeah ownership probably, that's owned from Detroit, was offered $30,000 to the, they offered the statesman $30,000 to buy Pepitone's contract and they rejected it. They said no, no, we're keeping him. So then the Trenton franchise disbanded in 1969 and he became the team president and first baseman for Chicago Nationwide advertising

of the North American Softball League, a different league, during 1980. He was suspended at one point for six games. How? You can drink beer while you're playing. What could you get suspended for? What the fuck? Conduct detrimental to professional softball. What could possibly?

What? Did he play basketball instead? Conduct detrimental to professional softball. What could possibly? What, he played basketball instead? Yeah, like what? That's ridiculous. I don't know, what if he throw a football instead of a softball at the guy? It's ridiculous, yeah. Then he was out for the season in August with a thigh injury.

October 1980, Pepitone is hired as a minor league hitting coach for the New York Yankees. One of his main pupils being a left-handed first baseman was a very young Don Mattingly, who he taught the intricacies of first base because Mattingly wasn't originally a first baseman. Really? Taught him how to play first base. Mattingly, by the way, one of the top defensive first baseman who's ever played the game.

Just an incredible first baseman who's ever played the game just Incredible first baseman fucking defensively wild So he said that he would even trim his wigs to comply with the Yankees grooming policy I got to trim my wig up now his wig He said this one told telling the New York Times holding one wig is my gamer It's got gray in it. The longer one is my going outer. It's got some gray. I want to look like an elder statesman out there on the field, but when I go out, it's party time. All black, baby, like my chest hair. So February 20th, 1982 from the Daily News, it says, prodigal son Pepitone's back in fold because he's

back in spring training and all that kind of thing. He says they talk about how there's players now that make $300,000 a year and they said, are you jealous of that? And he said, I was a $300,000 a year player. That's how much I was fined. He makes a joke about it. So yeah, that's how he goes. He said my base pay was $4,000. And by the time they deducted my fines and incidentals, I was left with $34.50. They said that was real in one year. Really? He said, there's no telling what I could have done

if I had the desire and determination of Tommy Trash. He says that again. So he keeps, Tom Trash apparently really did that. Yeah. So Pepitone, he says, I came home one day, meaning recently, and my wife said, Joe, all you talk about is baseball. All you think about is baseball. Why don't you try to get a job in baseball? I said, who's going to give me a job? Nobody will hire me with my reputation. She said,

I've written this letter to George Steinbrenner. Send it to him. What have you got to lose? And it said that, explained that he'd straightened out all his financial problems, has paid his debts and he got his act together and he would like to be considered for a job in baseball and Pepitone added his own touch PS I'll cut my hair as short as you want so three days later he got a call actually Steinbrenner got his letter and said there's several jobs opening for you here how about minor league hitting instructor and he said that's what I know how to do best. I'd love to do that. So he said, getting back was a blessing. I love it. I owe it all to George Steinbrenner. Steinbrenner

said, I've never regretted hiring him one bit. The kids love working with him and Joe conducted himself perfectly. I call as if I call him and ask him to go somewhere. He says, I'll be there. That's the kind of loyalty I want he's a free spirit, but there's nothing wrong with a free spirit. I don't have a single worry about show pepitone I see him going up up up in this organization that didn't happen but still Yeah, he says see what you guys did to me at one point He stepped out of the shower and he's got his his rug off And he says to the guy see what you did to me He said he yelled he said one year with you and I lost all my hair

Yeah, so June of 1982. He says that the majors are ready for him Yeah, he said now I could have played he said well now I could have played back then I wasn't he said now I could all the stuff that I did then Would fuck all the guys do now, you know There's no big deal little blow dryer in the locker room and shit like that all the balls that were broken on me was Wouldn't be broken now August of 82 Yankee say Pepitone is no longer a coach He was being moved to the front office with duties yet to be determined and then they let him go

To sit in a corner until we tell him to go home. To go home and fucking we're not going to pay you anymore. Don't show up here anymore. They said once again Pepitone hadn't been showing up again. What? And the word was that he was using drugs and that was the problem. So can't stop using drugs and we'll find out a bit more about this. February 20th 1983, by the way here is a an ad here's what he looks like now with his nice rug. Okay wow he looks better. Yeah he is shilling for the Adam and Eve hair replacement center in Scarsdale, New York and you

mail in this coupon with his picture on it and you get a free brochure. Oh, a brochure. And it says on this ad, question, why did Joe Pepitone of the New York Yankees and so many other men have their hair replacements created by Adam and Eve? Answer, because you can't tell our hair replacement from the real thing. Yes, you can. Yeah, that'll only do. March 20th, 1985th 1985 hair and all he is arrested. Here we go. Yeah he is 44 and he is facing quite a prison sentence as he and two other men

are charged in Brooklyn with felony possession of cocaine. Okay. Also there's weapons charges that they're charging him with so to have felony possession of cocaine. Okay. Also, there's weapons charges that they're charging him with. So to have felony possession of cocaine and a weapon at that point carries a maximum 25 to life sentence upon. Holy. Yeah, they were fucking insane back then with these fucking sentences.

So according to a complaint filed in criminal court, he and his co-defendants had more than four ounces of cocaine. Yeah, they had a QP That's a lot. That's a lot as well as a supply of heroin and illegal pills Okay, so is he dealing now? Fuck? Yeah, you got a quarter pound of cocaine a bunch of heroin and pills Yeah, that's your selling that money. He doesn't have a job. Yeah got fired from the Yankees here He was pulled over at 10 3030 p.m. on a Monday in Brownsville, I think Brooklyn. They were riding in a 1982 Buick Riviera which ran a red light at Rockaway Avenue, Newport

Street. Why would they do that? The complaint states that the police confiscated in excess of four ounces of cocaine, 344 Quaalude pills. Uh-oh. Holy shit. of cocaine, 344 Quaalude pills, holy shit, one bag of heroin, a 22 caliber derringer, one butane burner, one sifter, one plastic screen, several glassine envelopes, and one bottle containing isocetal, which is a cutting agent for coke at the time. They are in so much trouble.

So much trouble. All that and a gun? And gun and the gun all this this is their whole operation This is like when they busted into Henry Hill's girlfriend's apartment and good friends like holy shit You are in so much trouble. You're making a cake fellas. I mean, it's one of those So before the other they said the Pepitone Was the driver apparently and Thomas Carbone is also there, old Tommy Carbone, you know what I mean? And then Robert Oates, those three. I guess they had purchased the drugs for the purpose of selling them, obviously.

The officials in Brooklyn's district attorney office indicated that $75,000 bail would be on each of them. Pepitone's lawyer would not discuss the case before he's arraigned. A woman at Pepitone's home who identified herself as quote an aunt, said Joe's been living here for the past four months. The house belongs to Joe Pepitone's mother,

adding that Joe Pepitone's family is quite upset about the arrest. We're not happy about it either, all right? Pretty upset. Neighbors said that they didn't realize Pepitone had been staying in his mother's house. is quite upset about the arrest. We're not happy about it either, alright?" Neighbors said that they didn't realize Pepitone had been staying in his mother's house. One neighbor who asked not to be identified said he saw the ex-yaki hitting softballs for the children on the block on several occasions recently. He's hitting the kids' balls. They said so. Yeah, he's arrested here. March 21st, 1985, the next day, he denies the charges.

Didn't happen. Didn't do it, yeah. Bullshit, it's all bullshit. He said he was only, he wasn't the driver. They said he was only hitching a ride with two friends when police stopped their car. Yeah. You don't give anyone a ride when you just picked up

your whole drug supply. It's later, Joe, we got places to go. And yeah, it arrested him. His attorney said that he had been seriously considered having Pepitone testify before a grand jury without immunity from prosecution, just to tell his side of the story. They said that he was in the car 15 minutes prior to being stopped by police and had no knowledge of the gun or drugs found in the car. A spokesperson said for the Brooklyn, a Brooklyn district attorney's office said they weren't going to, they were going to present it to the grand jury and see, but they've all been

charged with it here. And he is released on bail after his brother, who was named Vincent, as we told you, a city police detective. Remember Vincent sometimes called Jim, who was a detective. He posted his $15,000 bond. The other two were released on $20,000 bonds after they were arrested. So, fucking idiot.

So he's definitely facing a drug charge here. He goes to indictment and that's that. I mean, he's known for being out partying, doing all this shit. So, yeah. I guess carbone was driving the car and they said they the drugs had a street value of $70,000 back then wow Pepitone says I just hope to God that everything works out for the best because I'm innocent and I was in the wrong place at The wrong time and that's it a lot of drugs. That's a lot of drugs

Yeah, so he's facing up to life in prison, which is insane. That's way too much for any of that shit. So he denies the charges saying through his lawyer and he said the other two men picked me up and they said the public's well aware that the grand jury is just an extension, a rubber stamp of the district attorney and the district attorney's office indicted are indicated that they had every intention of indicting Joe Pepitone because he is Joe Pepitone. Okay.

But Joe was driving? No, he wasn't driving. Okay. The other guy was driving. He said, we're quite confident he'll be exonerated. Yeah. The district attorney said, it's unfortunate that a former pro sports figure who was a hero to many now faces such serious charges, which carry a maximum penalty of 25 years

to life in prison. Nevertheless, the office must and will prosecute this case with diligence. Jesus Christ. Yeah, they had Diazepam. They called them bootleg Quaaludes, Diazepam. It's a volume. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But back then people were looking for Qu ludes. They as a pan. It's a volume. Yeah. Yeah, exactly But they got back then people were looking for quail ludes. This is close enough. It's you know, so

Anyway, in addition to these six counts leveled against them here He there's also carbon was charged with the criminal possession of heroin. I guess he had it in his pocket or something So they talk about his trial is coming up. He's going to take it all the way to trial. He said unbelievable, unbelievable man. So he, I guess he was apparently Pepitone was carrying cocaine and drug transaction records in a shoulder bag when he was arrested once it comes out a little bit more. Yeah, one of the men arrested with him told the grand jury that too. So the transcript of the grand jury testimony, usually kept secret, was found by a Daily News reporter in a Brooklyn Supreme Court file on Pepitone's case.

So both Pepitone's lawyer and the prosecutor said the testimony of co-defendant Robert Oates should have been sealed and they don't know how it got into the public file. So yeah, by the way, in the end there, they ended up saying it was 10 ounces of cocaine is what they ended up with, not four. That's the grand jury number. So four was just what they said originally, but it was actually 10. $7,000 cash, pills, paraphernalia, and all the other shit, and phone numbers and, you know, amounts owed and shit of the whole ledger, the drug ledger.

Right, yeah, you get the shop book that holds everything. During questioning, Oates testified that Pepitone was carrying the Coke-filled shoulder bag when he and Carbone picked him up at his Bay Ridge home. He was the one with all the Coke. I had the heroin and the pills. He had the Coke. He insisted he didn't know it was in the bag until police examined it here. He said Pepitone maintained he was just a hitchhiker in the car and knew nothing about

drugs or guns. Wow, that is fucking hilarious. They said that his lawyer said that that testimony with the grand jury was categorically rejected by the grand jury. Oh my God, that's ridiculous. So this is fucking a lawyer representing Joe on drug charges asked a judge to bar the media from a hearing on his motion and to dismiss charges against Pepitone. Get let him out. Just let him out. That's fucking hilarious. By the way, right below that, and this is hilarious, I love Billy Martin and we're going to do an episode on him. Don't worry. Yankees manager Billy Martin revealed Tuesday that he'd suffered cracked ribs this weekend during his fight with pitcher Ed

Whitson. He got in a fight with his own pitcher and got cracked ribs out of it, which is amazing. You don't hear that often. So the judge refuses to dismiss the counts against Pepitone here. They tried for dismissal and the judge says go fuck yourself. Everybody's still up for this shit and refusing to to dismiss the charges the Supreme Court Justice Luigi Marano is that right? Can't say he's not getting a fair shake out of Luigi you know what I mean? Said Pepitone was a well-known public figure for this court to dismiss

this indictment could well indicate to the public that people of high stature are immune to the processes of the law. We can't have that. So August 29th, 1986, it's going to trial. A juror is excused in the Pepitone case here. Yeah, so an alternate juror is put in here. I guess Pepitone, this guy was excused after telling the judge an unidentified man accosted her and said, Don't convict Joe Pepitone.

Who knows who that was? So the court concludes there's no basis to believe anyone connected with this case is involved in this incident, they said, but they didn't want this woman to feel threatened, so they let her get off the jury. She described him as a husky white male in his early 30s with a round chubby face wearing a black suit, grabbed her arm and said, don't convict Joe Pepitone. When the woman walked away, the man shouted after her, did you hear me? You know what I said. Yeah, you know what I said.

The woman was clearly upset after the incident and they said, I must believe we are dealing at this time with a misguided attempt to help Joe Pepitone, is what the judge said. Probably nothing else other than that. So September 17th, 1986, still in hearing stages here with these fucking, it's really going slow. He's really trying and they're trying to delay it,

delay it, they figure if they can delay it long enough, maybe they can get it dropped or whatever. So, but it keeps getting like continued and keeps going and keeps going here. But he had all the paperwork. That's a hard thing. Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah. Oates' lawyer said that he was not going to say drugs were not found in the car, which his client was driving. Rather, he focused on the bag he said the police found to be under the driver's seat in yet another search.

That bag also contained cocaine. He said they lied. The police officers lied. He suggested the second bag was placed there because there was nothing in the car. It was only in people's pockets and on them. However, Oates in his testimony admitted that the handgun tucked between the front seats belonged to him. He had no license for the gun, which he said he carried for protection.

You know, when you got all that coke and heroin, you got to have a gun on you, you know what I mean? People just come and take it otherwise. So Pepitone's lawyer disputed testimony that a New Jersey honorary sheriff's badge with Joe's name on it was found in the brown shoulder bag with the coke and all that shit. Just in case. The police officers testified that the shoulder bag was found on the floor in front of Pepitone. His lawyer said that the bag was actually under the seat and the bag could only have

been placed under the seat from the rear, which is where Carbone was sitting. So you know, he said the case, the case against Mr. Pepitone is a disgrace. He said this is the best they could do. There we go. So September 18th here, Joe Pepitone, after a very short trial, he is convicted and acquitted of other things, though, as we'll talk about here. He is convicted by a jury on two drug charges but was found not guilty on the four most serious charges against him, including one for possession of cocaine that carried a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years in prison. Oh boy.

Jesus, you think he's the fucking Boston Strangler for fuck's sake. He had some coke on him. Neither of the convictions, one for possession of Quaaludes, a misdemeanor, and one for possession of drug paraphernalia, a Class D felony, carried a sentence of seven years in jail, specifies a mandatory sentence. So there's no mandatory minimums here. Pepitone's lawyer said he believed that Pepitone had a good shot at getting probation instead. So Pepitone was standing, the jury read the verdict and they said not guilty, not guilty. He was very happy about all that kind of shit. When he emerged

from the courtroom, he said, I'm going home and hugged his mother. And he said, too much, too much. I'm back. I'm back. He's fine. He's good. He said in a question about his ordeal Pepitone said it was the toughest thing ever tougher than COFAX So May 17th 1988 here Yeah, they send him to prison you sir may fuck off six months in jail, okay, which is better than life here He said I'm going to do it and get it over with He said he's been speaking at luncheons and baseball card shows and that all dried up following his conviction. So he's got to get this over with so we can get right back on the on the better path here.

And the judge said his his he's going to Rikers by the way, he's gonna do six months in Rikers, which is a fucking horrible sentence. His lawyer said you can't send him to Rikers. He said he's got to be in protective custody. If you do, he said a certain element might him to Rikers. He said he's got to be in protective custody if you do He said a certain element might want to get Joe Pepitone He said Joe Pep is Joe Pep no matter how big you are there's always somebody bigger He said I don't know. I guess somebody want to make a name for themselves by knocking the wig off his head

Vincent Pepitone his brother the cop said Joe will do all right, Joe's a tough guy. Joe Jr. took it very hard though. He said no one wants their father to go to jail. And he said Pepitone had no criminal record and didn't deserve such a harsh sentence, as the lawyer said. The judge made an example of him because he was Joe Pepitone of the New York Yankees. He should be at home with his family right now.

Bastards. So that's what he says. It's a bunch of coke you had in your bag here. June 16th, 88, he said, I've been playing a lot of racquetball. I hit a few balls out of the yard. I tell the guards I'd go get them, but they'll never let me. I'll go get it. You got a key running around?

Yeah, I do it. 988-3313 is his prisoner number here. George Steinbrenner rehires him in 1988 as part of a work release program. Really? And hires him in minor league development for that. Yeah. He does that with everybody. Did it with Strawberry when he had tax problems. There's an article that says the halfway house that Ruth built, which is fucking hilarious. So he serves about four months and then he's going to work for the Yankees. He said as part of the program I come in here at night, I come in here in the morning and stay through the games at night, then I have to report back to Rikers Island by 2 a.m.

Yeah. Wow. And then he says to thank you to George Steinbrenner. He says he's been nothing but the best since I've known him. He's helped me through a lot of tough things. September 88, released from Rikers Island here, and there's that. So there he is, he's out. February 25th, 1989.

There's a men's amateur baseball league planning to play here, and one of them is managed by Joe Pepitone One of the teams in Florida. He's what please he said we really need outfielders in an article Registration costs 50 bucks. So you have to pay to play. Yeah a tryout session scheduled He said we have about 15 or 16 guys, but we're looking for another nine or ten So yeah now 1992 here's a here's a quite the headline fan insult sparks fight with Pepitone Joe Pepitone is in the Catskills at a resort up there oh dear god like dirty dancing that's what we're talking about here and this is the dying days of Catskill. I mean Jesus Christ and

Apparently Joe is gonna be charged with misdemeanor assault after a scuffle here He was sitting with a friend in the lounge of the Concord Hotel Like early yesterday morning, which means very late at night. Yeah John Capurso of Bayport began talking to the two of them here Yeah, John Capurso of Bayport began talking to the two of them Here Capurso apparently referred to Pepitone as a has-been He's a has-been baseball player. Yeah, which prompted the melee between the two groups of men because I bet you Joe's Joe's friend said hey fuck you you're never was and this that Joe said they come down the next thing You know, there's wigs flying everywhere

So he was arra that and Joseph ain't come down and the next thing you know there's wigs flying everywhere. So he was arraigned and he is sent and released post on $75 bail. So no matter what his name is always synonymous with fuckery. You know what I mean? I mean he's had all these kids there, where's their dad? Feel bad for all those kids and all the wives that they all alimony to and all these different people. Where's their dad feel bad for all those kids right the wives at the old alimony too and all these different people otherwise Besides his own family really hasn't hurt anybody

Yeah, I guess that's true except for I feel bad for I Wow, not nearly as bad as I feel for these people because it's a very distinctive name. You know what I mean? Yeah, Joe Pepitone from Bethlehem, Pennsylvania district manager at the Dollar Tree. Probably named after him. Probably. Joe Pepitone, chief administrator,

Ariel Home Health at Ariel Home Health in, what is that, Omaha, Nebraska there. My God. Joe Pepitone, graphic designer from Millville, New Jersey. So they're out there. You bet. They're fucking out there, these other Joe Pepitone graphic designer from Millville, New Jersey. So they're out there you bet they're fucking out there these other Joe Pepitone's February 28th 1992

Pepitone says he was just he was just helping a friend of his that's all in the Catskills fight Oh, yeah, he said he was in the he said that's all he was hanging out He said he was he was there doing some promotional work, signing autographs and such. Some guys were giving him a hard time saying he was washed up. And later when he was in the bar with comic Sal Richards, the same guys jumped Richards who apparently looks just like Joe. Oh, poor Joe. They thought it was Joe.

It ended up in a messy brawl with police arresting Joe and five guys all in their 20s and Joe's 51. So last night Pepitone pled not guilty to assault and disorderly conduct charges in a local court. He claimed he was just a good Samaritan who was trying to aid his friend who was being verbally harassed by this bunch of kids. His lawyer, same lawyer by the way who he had for the drug stuff says he's been living a clean life since his release from jail and

No drugs no guns no fights. He's all good Here's an ad in the daily news. Are you crazy about baseball? March 27th 1992 if so you owe it to yourself to find out about Yankees baseball camp Joe Pepitone Mike Torres Hector Lopez and Phil Lins with We'll Work with Kids 7 to 15 personally this summer. Really? Joe's gonna get down and personally fucking do that for you. So that's nice. Very, very fucking nice. October 26 1995, Joe's driving and yeah he's gonna be well he's driving later on he's gonna be, well he's driving later on, he's gonna be released from a Queens hospital where he's treated for minor injuries

suffered in a drunk driving accident. Oh, Joe. He is arrested and charged with driving while intoxicated after losing control of his car at 4.30 in the morning. Oh no. In the Midtown Tunnel, by the way. What? In New York, yeah. Fucking A, what is New York? Yeah fucking a the night before and

Bar's closed at four probably just left. Yeah in the city. Yeah, he just left He's probably driving back to his house out of the city. So Who that is wild Pepitone was given a desk appearance ticket ordering to him to appear in court He was driving a 1995 Ford sedan into the tunnel in Manhattan when he bounced off both the left and right walls before coming to a stop. He bounced over corrected and bashed into the other wall. Probably fell asleep. That is fucking amazing. So they refused to comment that the police found that he was they found him bloody disoriented and mumbling Quote I'm Joe Pepitone. I'm Joe Pepitone. I'm Joe Pepitone as he bloodily

Stumbled through the time he was walking through His car was wrecked and they just found a guy walking through the tunnel. I'm Joe Pepitone all fucking bashed up They charged him with junk drunk driving after he refused to take a sobriety test. So wow, that is fucking bad. So they said, did he just lose control or was he drunk? So they said there's a good sized gash above his left eyebrow. His eye socket is fractured as is his jaw. He hit that shit hard. Fuck yeah he did. Yeah. They said blood was bubbling from his nose, his suit, a tan double-breasted number,

good for bouncing around town, is soaked in red, sticky and cold against his skin. He weaves through the tunnel, oblivious to the wine and fate of the horns. Soon there'll be sirens too, this is a funny article. And the dimness broken by whirring lights red, white, and yellow. As he remembers it, the cop will find him on the side of the road, curled into a fetal position. The cop will ask him to take a breathalyzer. He will shake his head, still spitting up blood. I'm Joe Pepitone, he'll say, as if that name itself suffices better than an explanation.

I'm Joe Pepitone. Then finally, I'm Joe Pepitone and I want a goddamn ambulance. Yes. He says that he doesn't know why but on the way to the hospital, quote, I started crying like a bastard. Well, because you realize the gravity of the situation. That's why. Yep. And then three weeks later, they said they caught back up with him. He was at Mickey Mantle's bar drinking, hanging out, having a good time. Yep. People loving him. Everything's fine. And yeah, they said that he's one of those guys that's just a fucking hard to dislike. He's always gets right back in the fold here. He said, I was a different type of player.

I wanted everybody to like me, but it got so I was paying for my friendships. If you know what I mean, I was always on. That's why he was doing it. He was always picking up tabs and doing shit like that. You can't go to the cope all the time and pick up tabs and expect to fucking have any goddamn money here. So yeah, he tells a couple of Mickey Mantle stories at that point. He's trying to change his image now to like friendly old timer. Right. You know, he said, I could have been anything I wanted to in the game. I could run throw and hit.

I just never thought all that stuff would catch up to me. Whatever Mickey did, I was probably 10 times worse, maybe 20. Oh, I guess so. So yeah, he said in 1968 1968 him and Mickey when they moved in together they were both their marriages were over. So they just hung out and fucking drank and got fucked up together. Yeah. So by the way right under that I don't know if you're interested in sales Jimmy but the sales. large encounters big beautiful ladies and the men who adore them dance party Friday December 1st

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Like large women, 10 bucks will get you in here. OK. So the 1995, the Florida State Collegiate Baseball Association, an 18 and older league, is seeking teams to compete next summer. For information, call Joe Pepitone. They have his phone number here. Joe's running it. He's always trying to get into

some new baseball league here. He is, he pleads for the auto thing here. He does a plea. He says, it's over, it's fine, everything's going to be okay, he says here, while he pleads guilty. As if he was staying away from alcohol, he said, I don't drink that much. I wouldn't say I'm staying away from alcohol, he said, I don't drink that much.

I wouldn't say staying away from it, but I'm definitely not doing it right now. Yeah, he said that he indeed did have a few glasses of wine with dinner. That night, he said he took a bet. So he told the cop he took a pretty good contusion on the left side of his face, which we think attributed to his appearance of being incapacitated. So because he was got hit in the fucking head here. So he is fined $350 and in an order to enroll in an eight week drunk driving rehabilitation program and had his license suspended for 90 days.

Okay, that's all he got. That's not exactly a user may fuck off. That's a week. Yeah, not great here 2000 here Joe received a 1999 World Series ring for his relationship with the Yankees that year really for helping the kids Yeah, wanted to do it. He stops drinking in 2000. He says it's about time done with drinking June 29th

2005 he sold his ring. So fuck that ring. The 99 ring? Yep, five years later, all gone. There you go. I kind of want that ring. How much did he get for it? Do we know?

We don't know. The minimum bid on it was $5,000. Wow, that'd be a great deal. It says the 1999 ring here, the Yankees swept the Braves, blah, blah, blah. This ring is a 14-carat ring, measures a 13 and a half made by Balfour who have manufactured every one of the Yankees World Series rings it is the only known 1999 World Series ring to ever have been available to the public at that time. The ring features a large gold diamond encrusted NY in the center over a

diamond ship platform. So there you go. He's got some, by the way, his nephew, I believe it is, Joseph here, named after him, is a two-time New York Emmy Award-winning writer, producer, director. He's done some stuff, yeah. He co-writes films with his brother, former New York police officer Billy Pepitone,

I guess that's the two brothers that were the ones younger. Either detectives or baseball players, huh? Together they have written award-winning independent films, Stuck in the Middle and The Jersey Devil. So there you go, they're nephews of Joe Pepitone, you can find that. 2020 here, he's almost 80 years old, and he's finally gonna try therapy. Oh Yep, he said I began seeing a psychiatrist and I've learned that I'm bipolar Attaboy, which makes so much sense. Yeah drinking fucking benders for days blah blah blah blah, and then I'm depressed I'm too sad to play baseball. That's up and down. That's makes hard-core bipolar

He said then I built my relationships with my family. I'm closer with my second and third wives and three of my children. The other one, the first ones aren't forgiving him still. I've been in a long-term relationship of 12 years. That's as of 2018 with a wonderful woman named Irene. Therapy can be a painful process. And he says, but he will help play through the pain. So he says he likes doing this and it's fine.

March 13th, 2023, Joe Pepitone dies. Really? Yep, he was living with his mother, or with his daughter, Kara, at her house in Kansas City, and he was found dead Monday morning, according to his son. Oh, that's terrible. Yep, they said cause of death was not immediately clear, but the son said a heart attack was

suspected. Okay. Yep, they are, these are the children, BJ and Kara are children from his third marriage to Stephanie, who died in 2021, and Pepitone's also survived by Joe Jr., Eileen, and Lisa there, and they hadn't decided on funeral plans at that point. Roy White once said about him, or said at this point, Pepitone had the quickest bat that I've ever seen in Major League Baseball and to this day I still say that. He had the most compact swing I've ever seen.

And Whitey Ford once said, the only Yankee first baseman I've ever seen who even came close to Don Mattingly defensively was Joe Pepitone Who could have been one of the greatest Yankees if only he had paid a little more attention to playing right and Pepitone said no matter what I did off the field I gave a hundred percent on the field that included backing up my teammates during brawls if there was trouble I went directly to the middle of it the fans noticed that yeah, we care they like that yeah, can't get enough Joe Pepitone Hey, so he's fucking love Joe Pepitone. Yes, that's he's great. So here is you can get a

autographed baseball here $35 which is not fucking bad at all right. I'm buying that that's tremendous and a Joe Pepitone and Jim Bouton 62 Yankees rookie stars card but it's like a reprint thing it's that's only $4.95 and if you really want something you can get the Joe Pepitone we're buying this by the way the Joe Pepitone nude Foxy Lady Playgirl magazine or it's the Foxy Lady magazine that's how they describe it in the listing here. From June of 1975, January of 75.

And you can get that. No it's not. $49.95 for that. Wow. We're buying that. Here's one of the pictures too. We need this. Oh, Joe.

He's standing in front of the mirror with a hairbrush and his hair all coiffed and his big mustache and his fucking medallion and his chest hair. And you can see his dick is just an inch out of frame. But that's just the pay. If you got the magazine, you can see his whole cock. If you really can't get enough of Joe Pepitone, that's what to buy. And I think we need to buy that and have that because that's fucking hilarious. So there you go, everybody. Joe pepitone all three parts of the pet man and he's an adventure

He's a wild guy every once in a while. We kind of have to do these people who have that much of a wild style life That's just like holy fuck what happened? I kind of want his ring I would love to have his ring at this point is probably $100,000 if not, those are expensive. You think so? Yeah, 99 Yankees World Series ring. Maybe so, huh? It's going to be expensive.

And Joe Pepitone's, you could probably get some other coaches for cheaper, but Joe Pepitone's will be more expensive because he's Joe Pepitone. You have to compete with all the Guineas that are going to go, I'll get Joe Pepitone's ring. That's a cool fucking ring. Homa Bush can suck my dick, I get Joe Pepitone's ring. That's a cool fucking ring. Home of Bush can suck my dick I want Joe Pepitone. Somebody paid five grand for it. No they paid more that was the minimum bid. Oh.

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