Crime in Sports - #409 - Lousy Driver, Honest Man - Dale Ellis

Episode Date: May 21, 2024

This week, we find out about a seemingly mild mannered, and upstanding NBA 3 point specialist. He was raised with military precision, and won't allow his emotions to overtake him. Even when he's 9, and his father dies. He does let his emotions take over, at least a couple times, when he's arrested for hitting his wife, in addition to being one of the worst drivers that has ever gotten behind the wheel. Plus, his middle name is one for the books!!Don't shed a tear, as a 9 year old, with a dead dad, tell people that you'e better than Michael Jordan, in the late 80s, and drive your car across several lanes of freeway, while insisting you're not drunk with Dale Ellis!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Where we read Ed Gaines diary. Oh, dude, it's so weird. So that said, let's get to it. Let's do it with the asshole of the week here. By the way, his middle name, this guy, also not mentioned on Wikipedia. Really? Which I think maybe he didn't want it on there, because it's pretty funny. It's Dale Ellis, first of all, the NBA player,

and the guy who I constantly would mix up with Dale Davis on the Pacers. All through, even during those times, I was like, Dale Davis, Dale Ellis, I thought they were the same guy in my head for some reason. He went from flat top to bald at one point, right? Yes, yes. Yeah, that was a weird time.

That's a tough transition. He had a great flat top, a real nice one. Yeah, that's a tough transition. And a bit his face. Then when it was gone, it was like, oh, who's that bad man? You got to a point in the 90s where you just couldn't do the flat top anymore. It wasn't cool anymore.

And people were like, dude. And he went fucking way bald. Hey, kid and play, what are we doing here? It just got silly after a while. So his full name, Dale Monique Ellis. Ah! His middle name is Monique. Ah!

Monique. Damn. We're just calling him Monique for AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 001 Monique. We're just calling him Monique for the rest of the episode right Monique Alice over here. His name Dale's the most masculine name you can get. Dab Dale. How you doing? And then Monique. Monique sounds like you have like big long nails and lots of jewelry like it sounds that's a woman Monique. Is it a grandma? What happened?

We're naming you after your grandma young man. Why the fuck is my middle name Monique? Was Big Mama real special to him? What happened? Imagine like in school like elementary school they got a substitute teacher. Dale, Monique. Don't say it! Don't say my middle name! I'll get the shit beaten out of me for the next two weeks, please fuck I am Jimmy Stephanie Wissman welcome. That is amazing Moenique I'm James Catherine Petragallo nice to meet you

Moenique is the greatest thing ever. Mo'Nique! It hurts. It's so fucked up. How do you look at a baby and go, that is Dale Mo'Nique? Especially one that's going to grow up to be Dale Ellis. You know what I mean? And be like, yeah, you know, if you don't know if you've never seen him, Dale Ellis is a very tall black guy like you wouldn't think Monique. He's 6'8 or so right? I think 6'8 we'll find out here but yeah he's big he's a tall he's a small four. Monique.

6'7 6'7 205 Monique. Walk up to a man who's 6'7 over 200 pounds and go what's up Monique? You never would do it. You know he got to full size and then beat the shit out of both of his parents for that. Fuck yes. Fuck you naming me Monique for. He's gonna beat the fuck out of both of us for this. We're telling everybody.

Yeah, he's acting like he's a nice guy now. So, he can't. He thought he got it removed. We can say whatever we want because he's trying to be all nice now. Monique. Monique. Not on Wikipedia, like I said. You've got to dig deep for Monique.

Oh, that's so good. Monique. He's got some nicknames also. Apparently, he's not the most exciting guy. Not exactly an electric personality here. So good Monique. He's got some some nicknames also apparently He's not the most exciting guy not exactly an electric personality here He seemed very dull and like a drip. Yeah his sonics teammates Nicknamed him Lamar mundane Lamar Monique mundane show some respect

Put my middle name on it, motherfuckers. They called him Mundane. Mundane. And he's also been nicknamed the silent assassin by his teammates as well. Yeah, I think the Spurs named him that, yeah? Yeah, not a lot of personality going on there. I like Lamar Mundane better though. Lamar Monique Mundane.

I can't picture a face he made other than fucking blank. You know what I mean? It was just, there was no personality in that man's face. No, there's one, and it's funny because the only time I've seen it is in our, can't get enough at the end here. There's a picture of him that's for sale where he's shooting a jump shot, in the jump shot.

Like his eyes are focused, he's like, with his mouth. Like a big, like a kissy face. Blue steel. Yeah, almost, no, no, no, like Jamie Foxx in Living Color. Do him. What, he's dressed as a woman? Like, yeah, when he do that with his lips, like that. He's doing that while he shoot.

Hilarious. That's what I see here. He played for one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven teams, because he played, oh, six, because he played for a couple of them twice. Had to have him back. Needed Dale Ellis back. No, he played for the Mavs, the Sonics, the Bucks,

the Spurs, the Nuggets and the Hornets. And he played twice. And then he went back to the Spurs, right? He was with the Sonics and Bucks twice. Oh. So that was it. Yeah, he only played for the Spurs 92 to 94. Wow, he went to the Nuggets after the Spurs, huh? After the Spurs, yeah. Yeah. Wow. So that was it. Yeah, he only played for the Spurs 92 to 94. Wow, he went to the Nuggets after the Spurs, huh?

After the Spurs, yeah. Wow. So that was 94 to 97. He played for a fucking long time, too. He played for 17 years. He was out there forever here. We'll talk a little bit. His dad is a junior.

So there's always a junior in the fray. He's not a Monique. That's why he said, no, no, son, we're not gonna name him there. We're gonna name him. Yeah, his father's name is John Henry Ellis. So he gets a manly name, John Henry Ellis Jr. And he's like, we'll name the boy Monique, so he never thinks he's gonna take over my role

in the household. What's that, Monique? He had some Freudian shit going on, I think, Dad. I've heard a lot of black guys with nice, I don't know, I guess feminine-ish names, but I've never heard of a black man named Monique. I was going to say, I've seen Laverne as a middle name, shit like that. That's where it could go either way, and it, whatever. Monique is a fucking. That's a very specific gal.

That's a very specific, we all see Monique in our heads, don't we? Yeah. I see nails. I just see them. I hear clicking, a lot of clicking. There's a lot of nails. Don't you fucking touch her hair.

No, Monique, you can't touch Monique's hair. You're not allowed to. You stay away from Monique's hair. Monique will be cool with you. Ah, shit, that's funny. So his mother's name is Lucille, so it's not Monique. There's something. He's got a twin brother as well.

Why, really? Yeah, named Darryl. So Darryl and Darryl, I hope they gave him just as feminine a middle name too, by the way. Penelope. That's something really, that's not even enough. That's not even enough, I don't think, Penelope. I think we gotta go, what's more feminine than Penelope?

Linda. Linda. Even that sounds kinda tough, you know what I mean? Linda'll punch you right in the face. A Linda waits tables at a biker bar, you know what I mean? Is it Mulinda then? She's not taking... Brittany. Brittany. Brittany's a girl. Brittany and Monique. Darryl Brittany Ellis and Dale Monique Ellis, I think, would be the twins. That's fucking amazing.

That's great. He's got an older brother. You know what his older brother's name is? What? Here it is, Jimmy. When I was saying I've heard the feminine names and bubble, this is, his older brother's name is Vivian. Stop it! Which is an old lady's name. That's not even like a fucking current, that's like a lady from the 30s is named Vivian.

Yeah. That's his first name? That's his first name, Vivian Ellis. Why did they do this? Why not give him Vivian as a middle name at least for Christ's sake? And then his two sisters Chuck and Burt. No, his sisters names are Stephanie and Nina. He's got a Stephanie? Yes, there is a Stephanie.

That's fucking great. Nina and Nina. So these parents are all over the fucking place with these names. They don't give a fuck They've got a hat. They just pull names out We didn't know first whether we're having a boy or girl, so they're all the same fucking that we let we let the rune stones pick Yeah, and nowadays it's a little it's a little people don't really give a shit about the names, but he was born in 1960 in Marietta, Georgia. With the name of Vivian? Vivian, and my brother Monique, and my other brother fucking Brittany, and here's, what are you talking about?

What is going on? That's cold blooded in 1960. You get beat up just for leaving the house with that shit. In Georgia? Oh my God. And his wife, by the way, who later on, they're on and off, and his wife by the way who later on with the run and off And we don't know if they're still married or not, but yeah, she went through some stuff You know her name is no Monique

Get the fuck out of my life. Are you? He married a Monique. This is my these are my parents Monique and Monique Did he take her her name as a no name when they got married her name is fucking Monique Did he take her name as a middle name when they got married? Her name is fucking Monique! How wild is that? I'm gonna hyphenate. Dale Monique Ellis. Oh shit, I did it wrong.

So, he'll end up having a daughter named Ashley. Good, there you go. For no reason at all. No reason at all. So his dad, I guess, was a Korean War veteran. Oh really? It's 1960, yeah, so that makes sense. So he his dad I guess was a Korean War veteran 60 yeah, so that makes sense Dale and Darrell the twins raised on serious discipline. Oh

Boy, that makes us that makes so much sense. It is a fucking blank It's blank like you would be with a drill sergeant who right will yell at you for having an emotion So in indeed he grows up there. They didn't have a lot of money, but everything is fucking spotless clean and regimented and none of this running around bullshit for you guys. We don't have a lot, but what we got is paid for. What we got is cleaned off, swept and fucking paid for. It's been swabbed up and paid for. Don't worry about it. Don't fuck it up.

Until junior high school, him and his brother just wore the same clothes. Because they're twins. They just wore the same clothes. And then everybody said they had the same temperament as well. Like they were very similar. Yeah, very low key in temperament. But then Dale shot up. Really?

So which is interesting. He got taller and his twin brother didn't grow that much taller. Oh, shit. And he got to be a good athlete. Darrell, they played two on two. This is interesting. He got taller and his twin brother didn't grow taller. Oh shit. And he got to be a good athlete. Darrell, they played two on two. This is funny. Darrell and Dale would play two on two against Vivian and somebody else. So, um, I guess he would, even though Dale was bigger, his brother would,

their game was go inside and then draw the defense and kick it out to Dale and Dale takes A shot which makes sense because Dale was a good three-point shooter. That's the exact play he ran for 18 years That's it. He's same one. He did as his brother So Darrell the the brother here said as early as junior high school, no one ever thought he wouldn't make it to the NBA Yeah, me. I tried to get wise in other fields. He knew he wasn't six foot seven is what he knew. That's a good hint that you're not making it. You can look at yourself, oh, I'm not as big as that. Self-awareness is fucking amazing.

It is amazing. It's beautiful. Having a twin, having someone that close to you that is so much above you would, I think, help you with that too. Go, well, I can't do that. Fuck, that's not gonna work. You're reminded every single day everywhere you go yeah Darrell

was the hot-tempered one as they grew up too he would really skip practice and get into trouble and all that kind of shit but Dale on the other hand no none of that shit he is mr. consistency yeah they I guess qualify they were so poor of the family they qualified for welfare but their parents wouldn't take it. No. So they still, even though they, even working they didn't make enough so they could qualify but they wouldn't take it.

They were, you know, proud people. Proud people, yeah. Proud people. So proud they named their son Monique. That's proud. I'll put every obstacle in this boy's way and he'll still make it. That's how much confidence I have in them. So they lived in the projects but everything, everybody said clean as a fucking floors, waxed, furniture, clean, perfect, vacuumed, everything nice.

Fucking curtains, bright white and clean, that sort of shit. They had to go to Sunday school, they had to go to church, and they had to do their homework. I mean, it was regimented here. There was a lot of, a lot of, this is what's right and this is what's wrong with his parents. Really? Moral thing, yeah. And you don't, you don't do the wrong thing. Even if you're poor, you're going to be righteous, you know what I'm saying? And that type of shit here. So he, as a boy I guess, he said when he was young, which he wouldn't have been that young,

I guess he would have been, he would have been in his teens here, he watched Roots here in the mini series, Roots, in his room with his mother. And he said, I'm gonna go to school and ain't no one gonna say nothing to me. That's what he said. People went okay. His mom just said okay. It was just this emotional outburst after watching Roots and she was like that was weird. He never did that before. Just yelled him this is gonna happen. So I was like okay. Meant a lot to him. Meant a lot to him. Kids weren't allowed to

hang out outside at night and do all that kind of shit They had to stay in their apartment. No other kids were allowed to come over Either none of that shit family time they played all the other kids are outside running around They're playing board games together as a family really yeah, that was the rules, and I feel like people are afraid of dad here I think dad sounds like it. It's military regimentation for dad So they don't fuck around with him or they watch TV together That's how it goes. They went to they had uniforms that their parents made them wear even though They went to school school and did public school

No white shoes blue pants white collared shirts creases in the pants, no mud on the shoes. Shirts had to be starched a certain way too, every single day. What? That's how they went to school, because that's how their parents wanted them to look going to school. Wow.

Yeah, I mean they are, that is regimented. Public school. In the 70s. Yeah. The 70s, everybody's loose and all these clothes. Yeah, bell bottoms, James. Yeah, they 70s, everybody's loose and all these clothes and these kids are like- Bell bottoms, James. Yeah.

They look like it's 1953. Bell bottoms with a loose flowing button up shirt. Yeah, with patches on them and shit. Bell bottoms- With three, four buttons open. Yeah, like peace signs and fucking black fist patches and shit and he's wearing creased khakis on. And he's got a white button up.

Jesus. He's not even khakis, blue pants. And he's got a white button-up. Jesus. He's not even khakis, blue pants. Blue pants. Like a fucking dork. He's like Urkel. Yeah, like he works at Culver's. Yeah, it's some sort of fast food uniform. So Vivian, the older brother, said,

the kids at school didn't care to see that stuff. They're like, no it's not. It is. It is. Some of the kids at school didn't care to see that stuff. They're like, no, it's not. Oh, yeah, it is. It is. Some of the kids at school didn't care to see that stuff because some of them would be wearing the same clothes as yesterday. It made us look a bit uppity as if we thought we were in the wrong place, meaning the projects.

So like, oh, who the fuck you think you are? You're not dressing like shit. You guys think you're fucking at prep school. You think you're rich? Yeah. Where do you think you are? He prep school. You think you're rich? What are you doing? Yeah, where you think you are. He said, quote, we were poverty. We were destitute, as destitute as anyone else, but we were respectful and destitute.

We were not your regular individuals in the projects. What are you, moving on up? Who are you? That's what it is. Everyone's like, who, you think you're better than me? That's tough. So he said that this was hard on the father is what Vivian said here on September 22nd 1969 John Henry Ellis jr. Dad was shot to death. At age 42. Oh no. Yes apparently it was someone in the family too. That's the fucked up part. Do they know who? Yeah. Yeah, yeah Jiga he knew the guy dad knew the guy. He was a distant in-law. So somebody on some of the sisters

You know somebody's in-law here and they used to ride to work together for years They'd worked at the Lockheed plant together lucky Martin plant. They'd worked together but Vivian said that the guy didn't like the family the Ellis's and but Vivian said that the guy didn't like the family, the Ellis's, and on that day, I guess they were at a restaurant in Marietta, and they got in an argument, and the man shot dad in the back. Sean took the shot, turned around,

pulled his gun out and fired back at the guy and hit him. Oh wow. And then the guy ended up shooting back at him. This is all in a restaurant. Just a gun fight. A gun fight in a fucking fucking restaurant even in the Old West you they go outside You know what I mean set up a place for the shit. This is this is insane Okay, Corral and in a fucking Perkins, you know, just working it out in the Denny's So they apparently though they the guy shot again and shot John through the heart and that was that. Wow.

And Lucille said they argued, he shot him, he died. That's a succinct way to put it. Sure is. That's some way to, we buried him after that. Wow. Yeah. We put him in the ground. Done.

Out of service. So the older children were very sad, obviously. And I guess they were, all the kids were upset about this, obviously, about their dad dying. And it's such a, especially- In front of them, right? No, no, no. They were driving to work together, or driving home together.

Oh, I thought it was at a restaurant. It was. They were stopped for food. The guy- Oh, just the two of them. The families weren't there. Yeah, they were driving back and forth to guy. Oh, just the two of them, the families weren't there. Yeah, they were driving back and forth to work. Yeah, no, families wasn't in front of the kids too.

That would be horrible. Thank God, yeah. Whole family. Vivian was just heartbroken. So, you know, he's kind of the sun rose and set with this guy in the house, so it's kind of, what do you do then? One time, mom discovered Vivian on his knees

in the bathroom praying and weeping. And just after- Asking for Dad to come home. Saying that he didn't have no one but himself anymore. That's what he said. Ah, geez. Because he was so close to his dad. Dale though, Dale wasn't like that.

He was, nobody could tell. He's got no emotion. He's like wallpaper, this guy. Yeah. Like they can't get a read on him So he said that dad and Dale and Darrell the twins stayed home when the family went to the hospital They said they were too young So they were nine years old. So they said you're too young to see your dad in this condition

So stay home say left him home and that's that Vivian the older brother said he can never recall Dale ever crying over this at all. Yeah, I can't recall him ever having an emotion. That's what I, yeah, they said. This may have done it. The twins never really talked about, he was like that before and just plowed right through this, like it never happened, that's just the way he was.

The twins hardly ever talked about it after that, they just put it out of their head like it never happened. I guess the only thing that he left to because they were poor He didn't leave a lot behind and Lucille just has taken care of the kids 737 dollars and 20 cents is what he left her that was that was that was his pay that he was back owed at the time and He's she's got five. He's got five. She has five children at this point He's she's got five. He's got five charge. She has five children at this point

Vivian's 12 Stephanie's 11 Nina's 10 and then the the twins are the youngest 120 each ought to get them to 18 9 10 11 and 12 That'll do it So she took jobs at a restaurant in the morning. She worked the breakfast shift there then went to a Chicken preparation company she parts and that is the grossest job that exists in America. James, when chicken's done and prepared, it's gross. Yes. When it's ready to go, it's gross.

This is the grossest thing there is to do. I can't imagine. Fucking gut and part chickens. That's disgusting. Then would come home late and cook dinner and press the clothes for all the kids for school for the next day and would basically just like fall asleep in her clothes on the couch. That is a hell of a day. That's a rough day and with five kids and by the

time the kids were up she was already at work again. She left breakfast on the stove for him and took her. She would cook breakfast before leaving to go to the breakfast shift at a restaurant before she parts out chickens. Oh boy. So they were hardly seeing their mother at all, but John's death brought in social security payments now, because also he was in the Korean War, so there was death benefits to that.

That allowed them to have enough money to move out of the projects. Really? Yeah, so this guy was worth more dead than alive, essentially. Unbelievable, yeah she is. them to have enough money to move out of the projects. Really? Yeah. So this guy was worth more dead than alive essentially. Unbelievable. Yeah, she... That's fucked up.

That's fucked up. If you die, we can get out of here. What do you say? If you work your balls off 12 hours a day to support your family, fuck you, you can sit there. But if you croak, then we can leave. Wow. So that's fucking amazing. So they ended up buying it. They moved into a house and

they apparently had enough money to keep buying new basketball sneakers when the kids would tear them up because that's all they do. Vivian said, you wonder what would have happened if he had lived. That might have been the break that we had to have. Now that's a hell of a way to go through a break, but that's the way it was. Literally, if he lived, we would have stayed in the projects. The fact that we got out of a way to go through a break, but that's the way it was. Literally, if he lived, we would have stayed in the projects. The fact that we got out of the pro- he died might have been the best thing that ever happened in the family. He just said, how fucked up is that?

That's fucked up. Apparently, Dale, they said every time, you know, he would just internalize everything and go play basketball. That's what he would do. He must have been letting it out there. He loved it. So, later on he told somebody, and this kind of makes sense too, a little bit about kind of the courts always the same. So that's no matter what fucking fluctuates in the world,

the rims are right there and it's 10 feet high. And I know that shit for a fact. Yeah. And behind this line, 23.9 feet away, is an extra point. And that is, back then it wasn't, but still ABA it was. But yeah, that's something that a kid would see as, you know, this place is a solid place that I can come to and it's always the same. And the sands never shift under your feet here. Right. And the rules are always the same. Everything's the same out here.

Every court in the world, the rules are the fucking same. You know, a here every court in the world the rules are the fucking same You know if I was a foul this is that travels a travel So and there he could kind of control everywhere else as a kid you have no control and basketball I felt like he could control them say what he did and that sort of shit He would actually spend lunch at school in the library reading Reading what just anything studying reading? That's yeah, he didn't go fuck around in the library reading. Reading what? Just anything? Studying, reading. That's, yeah, he didn't go fuck around in the cafeteria or anything like that.

He never missed practice, was never late. His coaches all said never even one word of argument. Just yes sir, and he does what you tell him to do. That's it. Weird. He was among the first group of children to go through integrated schools in that area too. Is that right? Yeah, which was a whole other can of children to go through integrated schools in that area too.

Is that right? Yeah, which was a whole other can of worms. That's not easy. That's tough to do. He, I guess, his popularity at the school at Marietta High, they still know who he is because he was considered a social pioneer. He brought together black and white kids to hang out because they liked watching the basketball team and then he would go to parties

and all the white kids liked him because he played great basketball and he was cool and nice guy and then the black kids were allowed to hang out because, oh, Dale's not that bad, I guess he's okay. So he kind of helped kind of get these kids together who've never really been around each other. You know what I mean?

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just before a state tournament. I don't have this. Georgia? I don't have the song here. I'm terrified to hear the song. A song from there, yeah. It would be more about what he's not, it would be terrible, you know what I mean?

Thank God he's light skinned. Yeah. He never tries to have sex with white girls. No, he don't. He knows his place. Yes, he does. That would be like the song they would sing probably. That's considered a celebration. Certainly his hue helped him tremendously in that way, right?

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah mean? If he is Dale Davis, this ain't happening. No, no, no, no. No, that's probably different. Yeah, if you're Dale Davis, this isn't going down at all. Six foot 10 and as dark as Dale Davis is, it's not happening. No, they would have been less. I think it was about basketball too though. Yeah, that's a good point.

That's a weird thing. Anybody, they watch somebody dunk and they're like, that's great. I don't give a fuck what that guy is. Did you see that? Who cares? Amazing. Yeah. That's what you see like Billy Ray Bates when he went to the Philippines. They were like, yay, I don't even care.

Just fucking look at him go. People love watching cool shit, but that definitely probably helped him. I vaguely remember they tried to, I think, turn this into that he was, that he had some activism as a young man, but I don't think this is activism as much as just him being a- He's just being himself. Yeah, just go along to get along guy. Yeah, yeah.

He's no- I don't know how it goes. He's being himself, and people just like to be around him because he's got a basketball and he's a nice guy. And they respond to it. And he's a clean cut guy. And also, he's one of those guys that even, okay, if your coach was like an old school southern or whatever fucking just an old school racist

guy he would go yeah but he's one of the good ones look at him he comes to school with the creased pants and that's a representation so I think there was a lot of that too like yeah he act you know he's always in the library with a book like he went against the stereotype. So they yeah that would help His coach Charlie Hood. I hope he wasn't wearing a hood. Yeah, I hope that wasn't Hope he didn't get that name after his chosen hat But he's famous right Charlie Hood, I don't think so No, it sounds oh, he's a Marietta high school coach Marietta high school Familiar Charlie Hood. It's a cool name sounds like might be a might be a country singer It sounds like a rapper like Charlie Hood. You know what I mean like a 1993 guy

I mean, my man's Charlie Hood, and he's like yeah motherfucker Charlie Hood in this bitch Charlie Hood represent Marietta motherfucker. It's one way or the other that's for sure bitch. So they wrote a song about him before a state tournament, then the coaches sang it before him at a pep rally where sheets of the lyrics were sold for a dollar each to help raise money for the trip to Macon for the state tournament. Wow. The pep rally where all the coaches got together and sang a song about one of the players. Holy shit. Wow. That is silver.

I went to high school with, nobody sang shit about Mike Bibby, not a word. No, didn't give a fuck. And he won the championship. They sung songs about this man, this child. They were like, what rhymes with Monique? Fuck, that's hard. That's a tough one, what rhymes with Monique?

God damn it. Unique, that's too close, that's the same thing. Oblique, no, that's not gonna work. I don't know how to squeeze that into a song about a teenage basketball player. How do we do that? So Charlie Hood said people respect him because he always did the right thing. He didn't go to the wrong places and hang around with the wrong kids.

See what I mean? Yeah. We know what you're saying Charlie. I'd take any number of Dales on my next team, even if they can't play a Lick. So just loves his attitude there. In a 1987 interview, he said, this is Dale, whenever I had problems, I'd go out on the court and shoot until I couldn't put it up there anymore. I'm the kind of person who holds everything inside. Goes out and plays, shuts the fuck up. Yep, that's, so he said that he would turn it

into motivation on the court and concentration, and he would let all that shit fire him up, it was his own little boiler, you know? His own little boiler, he'd put some coal on there every once in a while and fire himself up here. He started in his sophomore year at Marietta and was all state in his last two years. Wow. And was just, you know, college scholarships

coming out of his ass, like anywhere he wanted to go. What was he playing in high school? Shooting guard or small forward? I don't know in high school probably and he might have been a four in high school maybe. Yeah. That's what happens a lot of times if you're... He was playing three in the NBA. Three yeah he's always playing three in the NBA. He didn't play two? I think I mean I'm sure. Six, seven, probably three most of the time. Three most of the time. He'd be a good matchup switch off. Yeah. If you wanna go with a big lineup.

Today, he'd be great. Oh, today, the game's meant for him today. Yep. Meant for him. Guys like this, the guys that are six, seven to six, 10 that can shoot the ball, NBA's fuckin' made for you today. No one's allowed to play defense on you.

They're not allowed to touch you. And you can take four steps. No fuck, yeah. Take four step, yeah, what do we say? Carry, carry, travel, fucking eight steps. Three pointer. Fucking 26 footer, and no one is okay. And no one will like tackle you out of the air either.

Yeah. No one's gonna take you like that. And the crowd cheers, nobody says boo. No one goes, you fucking dumb asshole, what are you doing? You just turned it over, man. That's what we would say. That was a stupid shot. That's a turnover, you asshole.

And the coach would probably pull him out on the next fucking, the next time out. Go what are you doing? Take a better shot. Dummy. So he did all of this. He said that he, I guess he wanted to use his whole life as fuel for basketball, he said. Sure. Yeah, he ends up in college, he sits on the bench in his freshman year and he doesn't like that at all because he's got to get it out. Where does he go? Tennessee. Really?

Tennessee. This is funny because last week, where did Travis Henry go? Valls, yeah. Fucking Valls. Not on purpose, by the way. We're not trying to pick on the Valls here, but yeah, they're putting out a good product. Let's say that. They're putting out a good product. Let's say that. They're putting out a good crime and sports product.

You're putting out good criminal athletes, Tennessee. Good job. A good product that turns to a life of crime. Yeah, it ends up on this show. So I'd like to find out what colleges have put the most crime and sports alums out. Great chart. Ohio State's gotta be high up there.

Yeah, it's gotta be challenging. Sure, State's got to be high up there. It's got to be, yeah, it's got to be challenging. Sure, there's Florida schools that are up there high just based on the odds of so many players playing there, not even based on Florida. Virginia. We have some people out there that are sick enough to put that together and figure it out. That's the thing. That's what I love about our listeners.

There is somebody who will have a chart in like three days about this and I salute you. Thank you. Somebody will just look at every episode, find the player and jot down their college and move on to the next one. Enter it into an Excel sheet or some shit and that's how they're doing it. And then there's some that played for multiple colleges. Yeah, then you got to add those in there too. It gets confusing after a while. So 7980 Tennessee volunteers, they're 18 and 11. They go to the tournament actually.

Really? At 18 and 11. They win in the first round versus Furman, which you know, Mark Furman University is a little weird. Just Mark's kids. Mark Furman University. All the players look very similar. Put it that way, they're all.

A lot of white guys. Yeah, and their coach is named Hood also, so it's very interesting. And their coach is named Hood also. So it's very interesting. And their coach is just a Hood. Coach David Duke out there in full regalia. Park Ferman University. Coach Grand Dragon. Yeah.

I'm not the coach. I'm the Grand Dragon. Don't call me coach. Call me drag. So then they lose to Maryland, who is the number two seed the next time. So that's what happens here. That team, you got a couple of NBA players here.

You have Reggie Johnson, who played in the NBA. You have Howard Wood, who I don't remember. I don't remember Howard Wood, but he played in the NBA. I don't remember either of them. Reggie Johnson sounds familiar, but not Howard Wood. And then they had a guy, they had Gary Carter on the team, the Expos and Mets catcher probably I assume curly hair playing for Tennessee he was in the majors by then so then they had Dale Ellis and then a bunch of guys you've never heard of oh you know who you

have heard of on this list though say a bunch of guys you've never heard of one guy you have heard of but certainly not for basketball this year as as a junior, a six foot 10 center named Kevin Nash played there. Is that right? Yeah, I knew he played for Tennessee. This is Kevin, he was fucking on the same team with Kevin Nash, the wrestler, in case you don't know. How about that?

Yeah, Big Daddy Cool, or all that shit, and WWE, and then Big Sexy, and NWO, and all that kind of shit, Kevin Nash. That's great. Yeah, Ralph Parton is on the team. That's Dolly's son, I'm sure. Dolly's kid, yeah. Dolly's kid, he's playing there.

We named him Ralph and he's a hell of a player. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Dale Ellis, by the way, before that was a high school parade All-American. Before that, when he came into here, so does that. He plays all 27 games in his freshman year, but doesn't only start sixth, so he's on the bench a lot.

21.2 minutes, that's half the fucking game in college. That's not bad. That's pretty good. He averages, let's see, what are his points? Where the hell did I put his, oh there, 7.1 points per game. So I mean, 3.6 rebounds, he's a freshman. He's got time to mature.

80-81, they're 21-8, getting better. Hey. Getting better. They beat Virginia Commonwealth in the first round of the playoffs. Is that a? VCU, I think, Virginia Commonwealth University. And then they lose to number one overall ranked

Virginia the next game. So. Yeah, yeah, no. Not that it's a shame. The one seed's fucking you up here. I don't see Kevin Nash on the roster. It looks like he took off after his junior year. I know he had a knee injury or some shit. So he's out wrestling by now. Oh, no, he's putting it together thinking

about it. So here he is. We have 29 games played, 28 started now, so now he's a player. 17.7 points per game. Wow. That's something, 6.4 rebounds, 1.2 steals, that's a good fucking year. How did he do that? Nah, he's a good player. Yeah. He's a damn fine player, he's a good shooter in college.

If you can shoot, man, you can play. I mean, a jumper will kill everybody. Turned it around though, Jesus. 81, 82, they're 20 and 10. They beat Louisiana in the first round of the playoffs. So they always beat the team they're supposed to beat, even though they're a lower seed, actually, because they're a nine seed and they're an eight seed.

Last time they were a 12 that beat a five, so that's not bad. But then they lose the next game, a three-point game, to 54-51 to number one overall, Virginia. Again, Virginia. Who did they have? I don't know, they played them tough though, I guess. So there's that, 82-83, oh that year he started

all 30 games by the way, that year, started all 30, 21.2 points a game in his junior year. 21-2, 6.3 rebounds, 1.6 steals, that's good. He's not bad. Only.7 assists, they're like, Dale, just shoot the fucking ball. Don't pass it to Gary Carter, what is wrong with you? Shoot the goddamn thing.

You don't have big sexy down there anymore. No, you don't have big sexy in the post. This team, by the way, he is the only NBA player on this entire squad. Wow. The only guy I'll ever play in the NBA on the squad. So he's carrying this fucking team. For. He's got a bad back by now. He's got to be ah Gary get off me. Jesus Christ. 82 83 they're 20 and 12. They beat Marquette in the first

round got every year first round they win 57 66 then lose to the number one seed Louisville in the next round. So wow. How do they keep getting tossed to the number one the second round? Keep drawing the number one. It's I guess where they are in the seeding. So that's tough. And on this team, he again is the only NBA player on this team. So for two years, he completely carried this team. He started all 32 games they played 22.6 points a game.

Even even better 6.5 rebounds is best year scoring best year rebounding 1.6 deals to so he's crushing it Absolutely, I mean that's a that's a fucking prospect for sure the best player on that team and he said later He thought he was misused at Tennessee, too. He didn't even think they used him right and he was still having better Yeah, he says I they could have actually helped me out a little more but didn't so 1983 draft baby here we go 83 83 draft this is a kind of a famous draft I guess I guess not as famous as the next year the next year's the big one with Jordan and Mark Lee and all those guys Elijah on but this is different the fuck came out

in 83 number one overall in without even a fucking question Because he was overall what do you say Jimmy number one overall pick 1983? Samson And then when bias yes, no that was 86 Lynn bias, oh who's late who's 83 83 is just Ralph Samson It's he was after him. I mean Steve step on of itch What yeah, what is happening here? Everyone's going to 84 80 that Houston took Sampson and then they took a Lajo on to have the Twin Towers the next year So there's their whole game and then a Lajo on became a Hall of Famer and one of the greatest players of all time

And Sampson had a lot of injuries So there was nobody else that came out in 83 that was worth a fuck? And there's some guys that are good but not like Jordan or Barclay, none of that. Steve Stepanovich, Rodney McCray, number three to Houston, Byron Scott, who was a very good part of that. Better coach than he was player. He was a good player, part of that 80s Lakers Showtime thing, so I mean he fit right into that.

Russell Cross for Golden State, number six. Thorol Bailey for Utah, number seven. Antoine Carr, I remember him from the late years with the jazz later on. Detroit took him. Then Dale Ellis, number nine overall. Number nine overall by Dallas. A top ten draft pick? Top ten pick. Look at those stats. He was killing it. Oh, he was. The best timing of all time too to come out the year before all that, Jen. Yeah, you would

have been pushed way back. And out of everybody in the first round, he had the longest NBA career, Dale Ellis. Sure. Behind him, Antoine Carr had 16 years, and then Derek Harper is also in this draft. And Derek Harper is number 11 overall to Dallas, so they got Ellis and Harper in the same draft here, two spots apart. He also played 16 years. Also, Darrell Walker, Ennis Watley,

Clyde Drexler, number 14. OK. Yeah. So a lot of teams could have had Clyde Drexler number 14. Okay. So somebody, a lot of teams could have had Clyde Drexler and didn't. The Knicks picked Ennis Watley, the pick before Clyde Drexler. So the Knicks could have had fucking Clyde Drexler through the 80s. They could have had Drexler and Patrick Ewing and instead we had not Drexler. Oh my God, they could have had Drexler, Ewing and Oakley.

That's crazy. That would have been great later. That's tough. John Paxson later on. Not to the Bulls right? Number 19 to the San Antonio. He went to San Antonio first. Greg Kite the big stiff. Yikes really? To Boston. That's the first round. That is fucking depressing. The best two players in the second round, Mark West and Doc Rivers. Wow.

Who are, you know, neither of them were, you know, MVP's Craig Elo in the third round. He was a decent player for a while. I mean, he was going to get, he's going to get immortalized forever by Jordan in a couple of years. That's it. And that's it. So he's the number nine overall pick. That is a terrible draft.

It's one of the worst. It's a terrible draft. It's one of the worst. It's a terrible draft. It's fucking awful. It's a shit draft. And then the next year it's loaded. It's fucking hilarious. That's how drafts go. NFL, the 83 draft was fucking loaded.

And then the 84 draft was Boomer Esiason. Craig Elo. You know, yeah. The Craig Elo of the NFL. The Craig Elo of the, yeah. Boomer Esiason, same guy. So I'm gonna say You know, yeah. Craigie Lowe of the NFL. Craigie Lowe of the NFL. Yeah. Boomer Esiason. Same guy. So I'm going to say it now, Grace.

That's Grace. For sure, right? He's the fucking best thing picked in this draft. It's going great. Well, and it's not even on the court that makes it not Grace anymore. It is that two weeks after he's drafted, he's arrested and charged with DUI or DWI. Really? Yeah.

Immediately. two weeks. In 1983? Yeah, just fucked up. How drunk do you have to be in 1983 to get a DUI? Well, let's find out here. 4 AM, he was in Knoxville, so he's still hanging out in his college town. Go to Dallas.

Why would he do that? Look, because he's driving his new Jaguar. That's why oh He's getting fucking yeah. Hey Big man on campus now showing up on my new Jaguar what top 10 draft pick he probably said Let's see how many girls we can fit into this Jaguar. It's like a clown Let's see how many girls I can fit my dick in their mouth at the same time That's what he's doing ladies close off and grease up. Let's go. Come on. Close off and spread them. Let's squeeze in there. So he's driving. He drove up to the rear of a state

patrol car at about 70 miles an hour and then slowed down and passed him. Because he didn't see him. Yeah. Then the cops watched as he weaved back and forth across both lanes. Surrounded and seeing a cop as he weaved back and forth across both lanes Surrounded and seeing a cop up ahead and staying back and being cool. He's like, yeah, fuck it. I'll pass him I'm down. I was too too faster than him. He told the cop he was drinking beer I've been drinking some beer, you know nothing much and he had slightly above a point one Oh blood alcohol content, which was the legal limit. So he got arrested Problem is he refused the blood alcohol test. That's the problem. Yeah. So not good here. Not doing well with that. That's not gonna work. So the Mavericks, there's a Fort

Worth Star Telegram, the headline is Mavericks mum on arrest of Ellis. Ain't saying shit about it. Now they said quote we don't know anything except what's in the newspaper is what the director of communications said. Really? From an official standpoint we don't feel there's anything we can say. What can we say? He's our draft priority but he's not our employee and we don't know enough about him enough to say anything about his character. To be sure you hate to have a story like that come out but we don't have any reactions to it at all. Silver.

There's a reaction. I'm just not giving it to you. Not gonna do shit. Yeah, the trooper said he had an extremely high rate of speed, and they said if he was a little less drunk, he wouldn't have got arrested, but he admitted. He's 83, yeah. Yeah, he admitted he'd been drinking,

and the communications guy, oh no, this is the cop. He said he wasn't the only one that I, oh no, I'm sorry, I just fucked that all up, Jesus Christ. He said, I usually read the affidavit and if it presents sufficient facts from which I can make a determination of probable cause, I can sign a warrant. That's the judge that said that. So anyway, he had just dropped off Derek Harper at his hotel an hour earlier. So Derek Harper skated on that shit.

Derek Harper drunk his piss a little bit more of a lisp. So he said that while Dale Ellis, they said that everyone at home was shocked because they're like, he doesn't even drink? What are we talking about? That's crazy. I assure you, he drinks. Don't know anything about that. No, he doesn't drink at all. He's in college plowing chicks sober as shit.

So Darrell, his brother said in Marietta, he focused on basketball and that's all he wanted to do. He said now he's gotten to where he wants to be, he's got his focus on a lot of other things. That sums it up. He just gets more frustrated now when things don't go right for him. Okay.

He doesn't have a contract yet because the Mavs just said he's not an employee. Which means he better straighten it the fuck up before he doesn't have a career. He gets cleared of the DUI charge very quickly here. Oh! Within like a couple of weeks. Charge is dropped.

Everything's all fine here. He was going to have a plea bargain and this newspaper article said he put the brakes on a plea bargain that would have kept his charge of drunken and reckless driving out of court and was found not guilty instead. In completely unrelated news, the police department has seven new squad cars. It's weird, right? And a lot of autographed pictures of Dale Ellis hanging in fucking cubicles and shit. Really strange. And you should come to this weekend's pancake breakfast and basketball game between the police department and the firemen's and the fire department.

We got a special guest on our team. No telling you who it is though. Buy your tickets for the benevolent ball there. We're all wearing Mavericks jerseys. Oh my God. Brand new Mavericks jerseys with our own names on them. So the judge did find him guilty of going over the speed limit, 65 and a 55. But the cost of a speeding ticket is a lot less obviously than why. What? He got a speeding ticket. That's it. His agent said they put five witnesses witnesses on the stand and all of them including the arresting officer said that Dale was cooperative, a

gentleman and quite polite. Well that doesn't matter if you're shit-faced. Sometimes they're a little drunk or all that. Yeah. Dahmer was polite too. Yeah. He was great. They sat him down. That's how he got people back to his room. I mean, once they caught him with heads, he was like, I mean, yeah, sure. That's great. But they didn't say, we're going to let him go now.

When a man's drunk and being a criminal, sometimes he's just a sweetheart. He's got to be bad. He likes to, this is where he wants to be. He said it was the judge's opinion that Dale was not driving under the influence And he threw out the DWI and reckless driving charges even though he blew it. It was his opinion You know what talking to the guy? I don't think he was drunk I know a lot of guys named Monique none of them are drunk

And this is in Knoxville where he just carried the vols to the tour right straight years drunk. And this is in Knoxville where he just carried the vols to the tournament two straight years. I don't think he was drunk. I just don't think so. He's not the kind of guy to do that. I don't... Tests and numbers on blood alcohol. I'm paid to literally judge. Yeah, I'm judging him. A sober. A fine man and a sober fine man. I judge him a speeder. That's it. You're a speeder and that's it. So the district attorney and the arresting officer had agreed to drop the charge as if Dale Ellis would attend DUI school for one week, but he wouldn't do that. And he said, no, we're going to trial. I went to a week of DUI school. Fuck your mother. No. I got playbooks to remember. Monique doesn't play that shit. Let me tell you that right now." So he wouldn't comment on it, but his agent

would. His agent said, he's very happy Dale couldn't have gotten all of this cleared up if he had stayed out of court. So he said he had to get it cleared up, man. That's all it was. So the manager, the general manager of Dallas here, Norm Sanju said, that's encouraging. I'm glad for his own good that it was a not more serious than it was. Maybe he will learn from this and put it behind him. What do you think everybody? Yeah. Crime and sports listeners, anybody? Anybody think it's over? Man named Monique is going to get it together now. He's going to get it all together. Everything's fine. Clean slate. Everything's okay here. So apparently a pathologist here testified for him. He had

a University of Tennessee pathologist. I bet he did it for free. He certainly didn't do it because his alma mater asked him to. No, he testified that equipment can be inaccurate by up to 0.01, meaning that he could have been a 0.09, not a.10. So at that point, he wouldn't have been drunk, so presto change-o, it's all good. When was it last calibrated? Probably not guilty. He was fined $25 for speeding.

Wow. That is fucking amazing. I love it. That's fucking awesome. Think about that every time you reminisce about the DUI that ruined your fucking life. Yeah, think about it. It's like, well, you know, the thing that cost you $10 grand. Yeah, and your parental responsibilities.

Yeah, everything else blowing into that fucking thing in your car. You should have been taller. Think about that. Maybe you should have went for the dance, man. I don't know. It's your fault. Maybe you should have taken a little more practice

on those outside jumpers. Ever think of that, motherfucker? Probably not. That's what you get. So 83, 84 Mavericks, they're 43 and 39, actually. Which is, I didn't know they were half decent even back then. That didn't do anything for them, did it?

50, 50? They went to the playoffs. You go to the playoffs if you're over 500. Yeah, they beat the Supersonics in five games in the first round. Then they lose to the Lakers, who were a dynasty at that point. So that's going to happen.

So this is what he's used to. Win in the first round, then get smoked by the eventual fucking steamrolling champion here. Head on home after you played the best that there is to offer. Yup. This is Rolando Blackman, Mark Aguirre, Pat Cummings, Derek Harper. Yikes. That guy looks like a penis man. He looked like a- I think you're thinking Terry Cummings. No, no, no, no, no. This is the super white bald guy that had like no eyebrows. Okay, yes.

He was a black guy that just looked like, he looked like a fucking mole. He was the ugliest man. Terry Cummings looks like he's a, looks like a penis with a condom on over it. He's a little, he's weird looking too. Like it looks like one has put over him, but you can see him through it. Yeah.

It's very strange. Like he's robbing a bank with a pantyhose on his head. See him through it. Yeah. Yeah, like a pantyhose robbery. Yeah. So this year he goes, he plays in 67 games only starts to he's a rookie, 8.2 points, 2.1 rebounds a game. So not bad. A 41 point

or a four, four one four three point percentage as well because the NBA, I believe 80 was the first year of the three-point line in the NBA. I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was then. I don't know what it was. That makes sense. That makes sense. Or 79-80.

80 was involved in that at some point. 84-85, Mavs, 44 and 38, pretty much the same record, one game different. This year they go to the playoffs again and lose to Portland in the first round. Nothing to be ashamed of. They got Terry Porter. They got everybody. They got a good squad back then. Did they have Terry Porter yet?

I don't think they had him. In 85? 86? I think they had him in 85. Maybe not. It might have been later. I'm not sure. But they had Drexler.

Yeah, for sure. We know that. They had guys like that. So not too shabby. Yeah, yeah. 72 games he plays and starts for 9.3 points a game, 1.9 rebounds per game. So you know, he's coming along but it's slow going in the NBA, especially back then they would ease you in, they didn't expect you to be a star immediately.

He does make 200 grand that year from the Mavs though. Which is not too shabby. 85, 86, they're 44 and 38 again. It's just the same team over and over. They beat the Jazz in the first round, but then lose to, again, the Lakers in the second round there. What are you gonna do? I believe the Celtics beat the Lakers in the playoffs.

No, because they, the end of that is losing to the Pistons in like 89. Oh, was it that late? Or 90 even, I think. Wow. And then they actually made the finals again and lost to the Bulls the next Right. Yeah. Yeah, their showtime went all the way through Jesus to 91 to 91 and then Magic Johnson had AIDS right after that. He got HIV. There was that then there was the dream team

That's how that went. Yeah, if you believe he's got it. Yep, if you believe it So this day they've added Sam Perkins now, too, who I always like. Yeah, and Fat Lever. He always looks fucking stoned as shit. I don't think they have Fatty yet. No, they have Detlef Shrimp, though. They had Detlef Shrimp.

Oh, yeah. He was drafted there. That's right. Bill Wennington. This is a very young team. The oldest guy on the team is 30, and there's only one 30-year-old. A lot of guys, 22, 23, 24.

It's a very young team. Who's the other Harper? Not Ron, the other one. Derek. He's on the team. Okay. Yeah, Derek Harper. Yeah, Derek's his boy there.

They got drafted. Oh, I was thinking of Ron Harper. No, no, no, different guy. Ron Harper was drafted by the Clippers, I believe. You're right. He played for the Clippers at first. So, sometime in 86, he's got all sorts of traffic issues, we'll find out through the year.

He gets a lot of tickets and reckless driving and not having a fucking insurance or not having this, not having that, a lot of speeding, a lot of that kind of shit. In 86, he has a speeding violation again here. So yeah, he's having some problems here. Now they talk about, Dale talks about how they, I guess Dallas was leading by 20,

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they said they liked me too much to give me away. He said, that's fucking ridiculous. You like me, but you treat me like this. I kind of understand what he's saying. Yeah, you like me, but then you sit me and you don't use me. Thanks a lot. So he, that year he played, he only started one game that year. And they were offered a first round traffic. Yeah. he's 15 minutes a game. He's playing garbage time They're playing with the half's and you know, we'll sub out and shit like that. It's so clutch He makes 225 grand that year. He's pissed off and on July 23rd The Mavs trade him to the Seattle SuperSonics for Alwood

So they could have got a number one draft pick instead. They got Alwood This is why the Mavericks stunk until 1996. Exactly, yeah, they were a fucking disaster. Terrible, a fucking horrible choices. As a kid, like in the 80s, if you said to me, like name all the basketball teams, I would have named them all and then went, oh yeah, Dallas, that's right.

You just forgot they fucking existed Yeah, they never made the bucks of the West they they never made the fucking playoffs They were always awful and if they did they were just first round bump out. Yeah, the first It was it was a it was the one that the number one seed got in the first round that would just bounce them Anyway trounces the shit out of has a nice warm up for this best of five They're gonna they're gonna get swept in three and we aren't going to think about them in a week. And then we never have to think about Dallas again here as a basketball team. So 86-87 Seattle, they're 39 and 43, which is good enough to make the playoffs at under

500. 39 games? Yeah, 39 and 43. Fucking under the, that's wild. Fucking terrible was the West. That is wild. Well, they beat Dallas in the first round, that must have felt good, the playoffs.

And then they beat the Houston Rockets in the second round, six games. They go all the way to the Western Conference Finals. Is that right? They weren't even 500 and they get swept by the Lakers who were, I believe won the championship that year. And they got Perkins, they probably have Shrimp, do they have Kemp and fucking Payton yet?

They have Ellis, they have Xavier McDaniel who will punch you right in the face. Hell yeah, that's a weapon. Tom Chambers on this, underrated as fuck Tom Chambers. He's a great player Tom Chambers. Alton Lister, Nate McMillan who is terrific, Nate McMillan was really good. It's his, I think, second year, first year. They have a 31-year-old Eddie Johnson, not that Eddie Johnson, I think. A good one. The other Eddie Johnson, who didn't rape a nine-year-old. So that's good. That's what

he did. And do a lot of cocaine. And do a lot of cocaine and steal a Porsche he was test driving. And we're going to do a multi-parter on Eddie Johnson coming up by the way. Oh, the real, yeah, the bad one. Yeah, we couldn't, we did our original, it was like episode five.

It was only an hour long, he got arrested 110 times. We covered that in an hour somehow. So we gotta really focus on him, so we'll do a good multi-parter. So that's the team. No Gary Payton, no Sean Kemp on that yet. No Sean Kemp, and not even Perkins, huh? Kemp was what, 89 I think? No, Perkins was. No Sean no Sean camp and not even Perkins. Ah Kemp was what 89? I think no

Perkins was on Dallas still oh Perkins was still there May 5th 87 these Sonics are going to have no Comment on some arrests that happened here. Okay, they got nothing to say No comment here. I guess the Kevin Williams a reserved Guard shoved a television camera woman while Dale Ellis Responded amicably to media questions in the wake of their arrests following an incident a nightclub. Here we go. Oh Yeah, I guess the they wouldn't talk to these camera crews

I guess Williams was shoving camera women and Dale Ellis was being polite. Dale Ellis and other players declined to discuss the incident. Ellis said, I'd like to tell you all of what happened, but at this time I've been advised not to. I can't let it bother me. It's just something that happened. It's not even a big deal.

It's already blown out of proportion. Apparently they were at the Ocean Club. According to the manager of the Ocean Club Williams punched the the manager Scott Shelton then struggled with two off-duty police officers who tried to take him into custody afterwards Well the club manager said that after a waitress complained, he asked Williams to move out of an area that allows waitresses access to the bar. He was by where the waitresses go behind the bar.

It's where they order. Move. I'm coming through with trays. Get the fuck out of here. So I guess Williams looked around, this is what Shelton said, quote, he looked around and told me, don't tell me what to do. Okay. He said, if you want me to move, then you'll have to move me.

Then he pushed me in the face. So yeah, they were arrested. I don't see what Ellis was doing really, but we'll find out here. Ellis. Guilty of the association. They were arrested at 1245, which isn't great. Shelton said he looked for a bartender or another manager

to help after Williams took a swing at him, and he sent a waitress to get two police officers. He then says he walked up to Dale Ellis who was standing by the speakers on the edge of the dance floor. I couldn't hear what he said to him. Then the police came walking up and I tapped him on the shoulder, meaning Williams. He looked back and punched me in the side of the head jaw area. Oh my God. He hit him again.

He struggled with police the whole time. The whole time he was cussing away saying it's not right. I don't know what Dale Ellis did. He doesn't sound like he did anything, but he got arrested. Sounds like he was with the guy and he was just, I mean he's being a gentleman so he's probably drunk. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense of why he's arrested.

This guy punched the manager, pushed him and then punched him. This guy, Dale manager, pushed him, and then punched him. This guy, Dale Ellis talked to him for a minute. I don't understand how you're in cuffs. You're with him? Hands behind your back. I guess, I don't know. That's weird here.

Anyway, this year, Dale Ellis is gonna play in all 82 games. He's gonna start 76 games. 76 games, and he is going to average 24.9 points per game MVP told you motherfuckers you know what I mean I mean Jesus Christ told you yeah they they wouldn't listen 3.2 I'm sorry 5.5 rebounds 2.9 assists 1.3 steals filling up the fucking stat sheet though for sure yeah doing very well here fucking any I think he leads in minutes per game in the NBA too so he's crushing not bad at all he starts all 14 games averages 25.2 in the playoffs too so even steps his game up better in the playoffs so he's good now July 2nd 87

Williams is gonna end up getting fined and Dale Ellis they dropped the charges against him because I'm sure the judge was like Why are you here again? Right? Who are you? I don't understand what you're talking. What did you do in this scenario? I can't figure it out. I don't know what you're doing. I stood next to the music feeling the groove Oh, yeah, and then my friend came up and talked to me and the next thing you know, I was in fucking handcuffs I don't understand what's going on here. You may go feel the group. Sorry You're tall too. Let's have you groove in this cell I'll turn the radio on in my car. How's that? So there's Williams gets 20 hours of community service

Which isn't much here 1987. He gets Dale Ellis has three more moving violations whole bunch of shit going on there He's so bad at driving so bad at driving 87 88 Seattle 44 and 38 if you get Dale Ellis your team will be 44 and 38 Every fucking year. This is the way it works just above five will be better than mediocre Playoff team will make it. Yeah, we'll make it and then they'll find itoff team. We'll make it, yeah. We'll make it. We'll grind it out and then we'll try and reset in the playoffs. Absolutely.

They lose in the first round to Denver this year, which isn't great. They got Sadal Threet on the team. Olden Polenice, our old friend, CIS alumni. Yeah, the bad bin. Oh yeah, right in the bad bin with you, Olden. Still no Gary Payton and no... So Dale Threatt's dead, isn't he? I don't know.

Maybe he was. I think he is. He was 26 at this point, so. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's dead. He wasn't dead yet, but he might be dead now. He also, February 1988, Dale gets his third late night ticket in two months, this time for running a red light. So he's out at night and he's driving poorly.

That we know. Traffic laws are a suggestion to this man. Doesn't give a fuck. If it's applicable, I'll do it, but I'll make the judgment call. Yeah, I see a red light. It's a depth perception thing. I'm really tall, so it's different for me.

There's also, nobody was there, so I'm not stopping. I just went went fuck it. March 3rd 1988 the NBA is investigating a fight that occurred between Dale Ellis's wife Monique and Alton Lister's wife. What? A teammate. Uh huh. That's amazing. Why are they punching each other? Fucking amazing. Well the club said that Monique Ellis and Bobby Joe Lister fought outside the Sonics locker room ten minutes after a 114-100 Seattle victory. They won the fucking game. Based on her name. What are you fighting about? Miss Lister wins. Bobby Joe? Yeah. I'm not fighting a girl named Bobby Joe. No, Bobby Joe Lister? The house. I'm betting the house. Lister. I'm getting the house on her. She sounds badass

She's beating Monique's ass cuz Monique has to like tuck her nails. It's harder for her to hit You know what I mean? Keep screaming don't touch my hair. Oh Monique's sister was involved also Not Dale sister. It's a family affair. Yeah, they had a fucking brawl Bobby Joe beat up two of these fucking broads This is in the middle of coach Bernie Bickerstaff press conference in a room a hundred feet fifty feet away So the whole assembled media is here in Seattle and they hear a fucking a throwdown street fight outside of the locker room, a cat fight going on. A cat fight where a one Bobby Joe is beating the shit out of two women. Monique and a relative.

Supersonics president said, quote, in my mind, this is a family matter. But we can't hide it. The incident did occur. This is embarrassing, is what he says. That's the way it is. It is a family affair and I beat off to it. It was pretty hot. I'm not going to lie. It was pretty amazing. A tit fell out.

I was going to say I know a tit was going to fall out so I watched. The wives had been arguing several times in recent months mainly because this is the reports Lister signed a four year $4.2 million contract during the exhibition season while Ellis and the club failed to renegotiate his contract and it remains at $325,000. They're arguing about your husband makes money he don't deserve and my husband's scoring 25 a fucking game and how the fuck you're taking money out of my fucking pocket. Don't worry, why are they fighting? Your bum ass husband has my husband's money.

Fight the general manager. He's the one giving out contracts. Don't fight him. Punch the shit out of your agent, man. It's his fault. What the fuck? Yeah. It's not her fault.

Jesus Christ. No. Be happy for them. March 5th, 88 here. They're saying the wives could be banned from the arena, which is hilarious. And the guys have never been happier. Oh my God. For the first time, Dale Ellis showed emotion.

That's fucking amazing. That is Nadia, Monique's sister. Bobby Joe, her friend Bernita, they might be banned as well as Monique and Nadia, her sister, Monique's sister. So, holy shit, that's fucking funny. May 26, 1988, Dale's got two lawsuits against him. Oh? Oh yeah. This is Dale and his wife are being sued. This stems from an alleged attack in March outside the Seattle Coliseum and they said that apparently they say the plaintiff says that a wrecked abandoned BMW sports car and an unpaid repair bill is what he's suing for here. Bernita Johnson a personal injury lawsuit in a lawsuit claims Monique kicked and punched her after a Sonics game. This is the attack. Yeah. You know that's that was yeah they originally had it as Bernita Horton but

this is that'd be too close of a coincidence here Bernita Johnson I guess after a Sonics game hurting her emotionally and physically causing the loss of an expensive wash a watch and bracelet also named our Dale Ellis Nadia Gordon who was Monique's sister, who allegedly took part in the attack, and the Sonics team itself because the suit said that the officials did not attempt to prevent Monique Ellis from attacking patrons. Oh my God. Yes, doesn't specify how much money she seeks here. A second lawsuit also filed here. An auto broker claims that Dale Ellis crashed,

then abandoned an older model BMW he borrowed while his 83 Jaguar was being repaired. The company Complete Automotive Inc. contains that he totaled the car in the early morning hours last November 21st while exiting the interstate. And from what I understand too, he was like found wandering off, like hitting the head in groggy.

Like a drunk would do. Like a drunk. Apparently I don't think he was drunk, he just had an injury. The car is seeking $6,900 for the value of the car and $813 that he didn't pay to repair his Jaguar either. So there you go. On 87-88 season, he starts 73 games, 25.8 points a game. Doing great. That is really a lot. That's impressive. 4.5 rebounds, 2.6 assists. He's doing just fucking fine here, but he makes 325 grand

as we've noted and his wife will fight over that shit. Uh, 88, 89 Seattle, 47 and 35 this year. So, um, yeah, this year, that's not bad at all. A little better. They beat Houston in the first round of the playoffs and then our swept by LA again, who I think goes on to lose to the Pistons, if I'm not mistaken. So there you go. Um, and also in 88 88 a total of seven moving violations for Dale seven moving by and a crashed fucking car that's from the

right for so I mean somebody else's car yesterday December 88 he's tell he speaks to the press and says that he has checked into a hotel because of marital problems and they said, what's going on? And he said, things are falling apart. Yeah, she wants to make more money and they don't want to pay me more money. She fights other teammates' wives because they make more money than me. That's why. Because she's got a better bag. Wow. So January 9th, 1989, he's going to be arrested and charged with domestic violence and resisting arrest. Oh boy.

After police received a telephone call from his home phone here, which is fucked up because he, right before this, he had a career high 49 points like the week before against Sacramento. So the police get a Bellevue Washington police respond to a domestic violence call from his wife. He's booked at 1030 a.m. on charges of domestic violence, civil assault, resisting arrest, and having an outstanding warrant for driving without a license. There's that too. He's held for two hours before he is released.

And this is the supersonics president said this, quote, this is for domestic violence arrest, okay? Imagine this now being said, quote, this is a domestic problem with Dale and Monique and we hope they're able to work it out. He will definitely play as far as we're concerned. When asked- Imagine the fucking Raven said that. Private problem, yeah.

Ray's gonna be in the game. I don't know, we hope him and his wife, we hope once she wakes up, once someone puts some smelling salts under her nose, that they'll be able to work that out. Oh my God. Holy shit. I guess that's the benefit of today's society

of having cameras fucking everywhere, because if we saw the Ring doorbell footage of this shit, like we saw of Richard Sherman, you would never think the same of him ever again. Because every time I see Richard Sherman now, I'm just like, oh my god, that guy is a lunatic. It's just seeing it. Yeah, people can know it happened, but if they saw it,

then it's in their brain. Experiencing it and feeling that emotion that you feel in the moment of what they say, it's crazy. Our brains feel like computers, but they're not. They're really, they're dumb. And we will put more weight on something that happened that's less that we saw than something that happened that's more that we didn't see,

because we saw that. So that's how our brains are fucked up, man. Just because we weren't there. That's it. Right, it means it wasn't near as vicious as it was. I mean, we weren't there. That's it. Right. It means it wasn't near as vicious as it was. I mean, we weren't there. We don't know what happened. If you just told me Ray Rice punched his wife in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, He actually drug her out like a caveman hit the fuck out of her now He does have a renegotiated contract worth seven point three million over six years, so He did well. He's got some cash. Yeah. Well, that's good. So January 10th 1989 He enters a plea of not guilty here pleads innocent says he did not beat up his wife at all doesn't know what you're talking about

Obviously he has expressed interest his civil prosecutor or city, obviously. He has expressed interest, he's civil prosecutor, or city prosecutor, said that Ellis has expressed interest in being considered for Bellevue's domestic violence program, which I think is a place where you go and they teach you how to really lay it into your wife good. It's a program they got now, you really hit her with a phone book this time, that way when the cops come. Upon entry you get, you are issued gloves. This involves up to a year of counseling and probation. If he declines to enter the program, he's got to go to trial with a maximum penalty of a year in jail. So now this is all he will

say about this. He says that we did have a problem between us Sunday, but we honestly were surprised the authorities were called to the scene. To us, the matter has been blown out of proportion as we understand will happen when you're in the public spotlight. It's exactly what OJ said to Roy Firestone after he got on New Year's Eve was smashing the shit out of Nicole's car and she was coming away bleeding and running from the house saying he's gonna kill me. As far as we're concerned, there's nothing especially dramatic about the entire situation. We've resolved the matter privately and that's how we would like to keep it. That's what they used to say.

They used to just be like, listen, it's a private matter. It's been blown out of proportion because we're famous and people go, that makes sense and they just let it go. But the judge says no, he won't enter the city of Bellevue's domestic violence diversion program. His lawyer says, I'm sorry, not the judge, his lawyer said that his recent dispute with his wife was an isolated incident and not part of an ongoing problem that he needs treatment for. Okay.

He said such a problem would unduly and unnecessarily stigmatize his client as a wife beater. What do you think, are getting arrested stigmatizes you as? We're still talking about it, it's 35 years ago. What do you think? Yeah, he thinks that just because he was arrested for it doesn't mean that that sticks.

If it goes, I mean, a lot of people have been exonerated and we still think of them as fucking monsters. You know what I mean? It just happens, yeah. He said this too, I can tell you this, Dale Ellis is not a wife batter. Okay. Not a wife batter.

And they said that, Haynes said that Ellis, this is the lawyer, Ellis has agreed to enter family counseling program with a private specialist beginning this week. Monique will also take part in the program. So he'll do that, but nothing else. So this is from 1990 here from the Seattle Times. While perhaps no player dominated All-Star Weekend in Houston last year as thoroughly as Ellis, he was equally conspicuous with his absence of enthusiasm. as thoroughly as Ellis. He was equally conspicuous with his absence of enthusiasm. Yeah, Dale Ellis boomed the announcer at the All-Star presentation the evening after he won the three-point shooting contest, because he did that year. His several thousand corporate sponsors,

league executives and other well-dressed visitors peered through the darkness to the glittery stage as the spotlight swung to where Ellis was supposed to walk out. He wasn't there. He skipped it, he just didn't come. He didn't show? Didn't show. He went 12 for 16 in the All-Star game with 27 points and finished third in the MVP balloting. And that's when it was magic and Jordan and Isaiah

and like a lot of stuff. This was a big deal. Bird, fucking stars, stars, stars. Then he dressed and left the locker room Bird, fucking stars, stars, stars. Then he dressed and left the locker room. That's it, just took off. Holy shit. That is fucking funny.

Derek Harper, who is friends with him, said, my mother always said, quiet people are the ones you gotta watch out for. That's the way Dale is. He'll do anything to win when we play tennis. Cheat, call the ball out, and if we beat Seattle, he's just sick even today So Derek had that really bizarre mustache little one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, you're like a big small man villain mustache. It was weird. Yeah, a little too small like little like a good hitler

But a little too small like a debonair guy in the 30s is what he looked like. Yeah. Well too small for a guy that plays basketball. A little too small. Weird. Because if you're a black guy, you can get away with Hitler shit though. Yeah, you can. Michael Jordan had a Hitler mustache in 2012 and everyone went, fuck, he was a great player.

Yeah. They don't care. They didn't even talk. Yeah, that tag on the back of the shirt is annoying. It is annoying. Yeah. What about your Hitler mustache, what about your mustache chief? How about that? So this year Dale's an all-star like we said he plays in all 82 games

He averages 38.9 minutes a game. He is fucking playing He has 27.5 points a game 4.2 rebounds to 2 assists. He's badass. One of the best in the league. He's killing it, man. Absolutely killing it. The Sonics pay him $1.2 million this year.

89-90, Sonics are 41 and 41. No playoffs this year. Wow. How many three spots are scoring like he is? He's lighting it up. They have Sean Kemp now, Dana Barrows. Wow. Avery Johnson on the team. I forgot about him on this team.

Dana Barrows? What? Played back then? Yeah, yeah. Then he went to the Sixers after that for a long time. Sixers, Celtics, fucking everywhere. 89 here. He gets four more moving violations in 1989, by the way. It's like part of his stats. He has 25.6 points, 3.2 rebounds, 1.2 steals, and 4 moving violations. Every year you got to give his whole stat line, that's part of it. The next year, 89-90, he only plays in 55 games. Average is 23.5 a game. I think he's hurt for a while here. So 2.7 rebounds, not terrible. An article from January says,

Ellis accident puzzles teammates. Okay, well, Nate McMillan and other Seattle supersonics players said they couldn't figure out the circumstances surrounding their teammates arrest for suspicion of driving while intoxicated and reckless driving after he was injured in an early morning automobile accident. Oh no. Everybody's asking the same questions. Who was he there with? Where was he at? intoxicated and reckless driving after he was injured in an early morning automobile accident. Oh, no

Everybody's asking the same questions. Who is he there with? Where was he at? Did anybody's out here see him? We are puzzled McMillan said everybody is shocked. It happened. It's a tremendous loss for us. He's hurt he's in satisfactory condition at the hospital here and He said yeah, he said it was horrible He said McMillan every the press said Macmillan looked haggard and tired and deeply troubled at practice here. Macmillan said, that's a close friend, not just a teammate. We came here together, we've been through thick and thin.

He was behind me in the change of the lineup and tried to keep me up. Big deal. Apparently. He got in a car accident that took him out of the lineup? Yeah, yeah, and they said Macmillan said the apparent involvement of alcohol in the accident was uncharacteristic of Alice Everybody says he doesn't drink everybody says he quote. He's not an alcoholic or big-time drinker Well, yeah, if he was an alcoholic he'd be able to drive better when he's drunk

Big time drinkers figure it out they can get there He said to hear that that alcohol involvement when an athlete is in trouble or has an accident, that's the first thing they look for. It's sad to hear it. I don't even want to comment on that. He said that he also found it uncharacteristic that he didn't know Ellis had gone out or with whom he went out with after their win. He said normally I would know when he would go out.

Normally when he goes out he asks me if I want to go. We all go together two or three of us but I was late getting to the locker room from a radio interview. He said a certain group of us, Dale, Sadat, X meaning Xavier McDaniel, we have a bond where we hang together and do things together. Olden Polenice, who said he socialized occasionally with Ellis, said he was a moderate drinker. Well, compared to you. Right. He said, a lot of times, this is Olden here,

a lot of time when we go out to a nightclub or something, he won't drink. Other times he drinks a beer. That's all I've ever seen Dale drink is a beer every now and then. That's being honest, that's what I've seen. And then the reporter said, fuck, my camera lens broke. This guy broke, I tried to take a picture of and it just it's cracked everywhere hideous motherfucker. Just broke my shit

He's totally hideous this guy McDaniel Xavier said that he could not suggest any circumstances that would cause Ellis to drink heavily When the suggestion was made to McDaniel that Ellis had endured a pressure-packed season because of an erratic shooting year, McDaniel said, I don't think that can lead a person into doing something he doesn't want to do. Yes, stress has never made anyone drink. McDaniel acknowledged that he, Ellis and other players socialize occasionally, but he didn't know what or how much Ellis would drink under normal circumstances. McDaniel said Ellis' absence will be felt in the locker room as well as on the court. Ellis was a locker room leader. He said anytime you have a person of his caliber, he's a good person. Naturally, you're going to miss that. The fun and the

joking around the locker room. Guys listen when he talks. These are the qualities that we're going to be missing. But that's where the team unity comes in, where we all have to pull together. This is because nobody else on this team is putting up 30 tonight and now averaging that for Christ's sake According to the Washington State Patrol it happened at 147 a.m On the northbound on ramp to the i-5 at Mercer Street His 89 Mercedes brand-new Mercedes new ish struck a barrier that divides the express lane ramp from the main ramp, careened across the express lane and struck the gate that closes the express

lanes, which were open at the time. He went across the fucking freeway. The whole freeway. Twenty thousand dollars damage to his car. He was offered a blood alcohol test, but they at the time refused to say whether he took it or not. So we'll see what happens. But they said this is another a lot of problems in the last three years for Dale. He's been cited at least nine times on traffic violations, including five speeding violations. In 87, he crashed a car off the Dearborn Street exit

of the I-5 and abandoned it. Remember that was when he wandered off? Yeah, that's to be in a W. All fucking stew nod there. Somebody else's car. Somebody else's shit. That car had been loaned to him. Ellis was also cited two years ago on the domestic dispute, obviously, here. Yeah, and then also him and Kevin Williams, there's that issue.

The Sonics president, this guy's busy talking about Dale all the time. Bob Witzett, his hair is just silver as fuck. He looks like Einstein, this guy. He said, I'd be foolish to say we condone that. Of course not. If you want your players to understand their responsibilities, but you also need to understand

your players as people and as young adults growing up. Young adults? I think he's like 28 or some shit. That's an adult adult. Yeah, the man's almost 30. Young adults? I think he's like 28 or some shit. That's an adult adult. Yeah, the man's almost 30. Man. So January 20th, 1990, two restaurant bouncers have been accused of trying to extort $50,000 from Dale Ellis.

Really? Yes, for withholding damaging bogus testimony in a pending criminal driving case. King County prosecutors will decide by Thursday whether to charge 22-year-old federal weigh man and a 24-year-old Seattle man in connection with the case. The men are suspected of calling Ellis' attorney last week with an offer to remain quiet about information damaging to Ellis' case in exchange for money. Give us some cash and we won't tell them that you were cut off because you were so drunk. He cut off and did a fucking zigzag to your car. That is fucking wild. A decision on whether criminal charges will be filed against Ellis isn't expected until

next week. The bouncers were arrested and booked in Kings County Jail and released. Fucking idiots. Yeah. By the way, he suffered three broken ribs and a collapsed lung in that accident. That's the- He's so lucky. He's so fucking lucky.

So the lawyer said they claimed to have information that was very damaging to Dale, including allegations of drug use. We knew this information was false because a blood test revealed Dale had not consumed any drugs. So that's that. They said the two offered to reveal this claim

to the prosecutors in return for $50,000 from Dale. Yeah, and the lawyer said they didn't care how much they were asking, they didn't want anything to do with it. So he agreed that Dale said that they needed to contact the prosecutor's office and say that. He said what Dale did was decent and right and I think he deserves credit for that. He's a lousy driver driver but he's an honest man.

That's amazing. His lawyer said quote, he's a lousy driver but an honest man. That is fucking funny as shit. That is- He got in a car accident and he was probably not wearing a seatbelt. If he collapsed a lung and broke ribs, that man hit the steering wheel. Yeah, he hit the steering wheel like a motherfucker man. Holy fuck.

That is hilarious. So January 26 1990 Ellis will be charged with drunk and driving. Yeah Absolutely. Yeah, they're gonna charge him. Finally. They said that it's about fucking time here The the bouncers by the way, I guess worked Oh the charges that they're that they're charging with are on statements from the patrons of the celebrity bar and grill who observed him before he left. Yeah, they said another person, a firefighter and a two different people, a firefighter and a federal bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms agents.

Both told police they saw his car speeding shortly before the accident. Then moments later, ATF agent Edward Hopkins said he and car speeding shortly before the accident then moments later ATF agent Edward Hopkins said he and his friend came upon the accident and found Ellis stumbling and falling down as he tried to Walk around his car was there a worse person Jesus you could have Come upon your fucking accident. I bet he has alcohol tobacco or firearms He's got something. He's got something in there. Who's worse to fucking show up?

Jesus. Oh, shit. State trooper reported his speech was slurred, his eyes watering, and he reeked of alcohol. Yeah. Not great. Now, the other two guys, their names are Guy Thomas and Russell Holliday, the two bouncers.

They could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted of bribery. So they are in a way, he can get at most a sentence of one day in jail and a maximum of a year in jail. So he can get at maximum a year in jail or they can get 10 years in jail. Oh my God, they almost killed some, he almost killed somebody.

No shit, they said at no point did anyone threaten anybody with saying anything derogatory about Dale Ellis. That's the one guy's attorney. At no time did this happen. We're not that stupid. This is an obvious attempt to make us look like two complete idiots. Whatever comes out of our mouth is wrong. Okay.

So February 11th, 1990, he enters a plea of innocent. I was drunk. What are you talking about? You know those things can be off. Remember my last time here point oh one at least. So February 24th 1990 he decides to enter a oh no this is the I'm sorry the the extortion guys enter guilty please. Good.

What are they? Guy Tom Guy Thomas said I attempted to get money from an attorney in exchange for giving favorable trial testimony on behalf of his client. Guy Tom has said, I attempted to get money from an attorney in exchange for giving favorable trial testimony on behalf of his client. So yeah, they're guilty of bribe receiving by a witness. That's the crime they're going to attempt it, I guess, of trying to receive a bribe here, sentencing. It'll be later on.

But yeah, they're pleading guilty. So February 25th, 1990, they said, Dale's expected to recover and be fine. He just has to stop driving. This is a lot, James. This is a whole life story already. And I hadn't even, I had no fucking idea of any of this. Neither did I. This is crazy. This is crazy. None of this is on his Wikipedia. Before he even plays for the Spurs and becomes a big deal in the NBA.

Like, you know what I mean? I didn't even know he was this big of a, he was one of the best players in the league before he went to San Antonio. Definitely a top 10 score. And I had no idea. Top 10 points per game score. Bicker staff, the coach said, quote, it's time for Dale Ellis to step up to the plate and deal with Dale Ellis.

That's hilarious. Bernie's had enough. He's had enough. We can't do anything for him anymore. He must address his own problems. First of all, take a cab and fucking quit it and your wife. So they said apparently he had, his family spent the night in his room

after he got hurt at the hospital. I guess they stayed at a hotel and all that kind of thing. They were saying how he was in bad shape and he had tubes coming from his chest to drain blood that was in his lungs and all this type of shit. He barely moved or spoke and they were all scared that he wasn't going to play again ever and he might die. know that sort of shit his mom said I don't want him to die and be lost I want him to be safe I want him to go to church he's grown up in the church you know that's what I want for him how much is not in the car how about that doesn't matter

how about a cab or he could a uber would have made a fortune off him back oh boy Bernie Bickerstaff said right now Dale needs to recognize by himself what his I don't know man. He could a uber would have made a fortune off him back. Oh boy Bernie Bickerstaff said right now Dale needs to recognize by himself what his problems are Deal with Dale Ellis damn it. He's a lousy driver That's fucking amazing now Derek Harper said this and I think he I don't know if he was in the car and had a head Injury after he said this or what but he was on a lot of drugs I definitely blood test him for something after this. Was he balls deep in mind comp when they asked him this question? Oh never mind, never mind. He said Dale thinks, I thought he said I think.

He said Dale thinks he's the best shooting guard in the league including Jordan. He thinks he can score 40 points on anybody. Okay, calm down, Chief. Calm down. That's just silly. Does Dale really think that? I guess you kinda have to think that, I suppose, to, you know, I don't know, you kinda have to, I think. Yeah, I think you have to. So, Darrell, they talked to him

and we're his twin brother here. Darrell said he tried to play basketball at Piedmont College, but couldn't get along with the coach, and then he tried to play basketball at Piedmont College but couldn't get along with the coach. Then he went to Savannah State, couldn't get along with that coach. Remember, he's the boisterous one, Darrell. So he joined the Marines and that's what he's doing. He says that he's in awe of the kind of money that Dale makes. And he says he definitely feels some envy sometimes. He says, I feel he's his twin. It's not even like, we have to save genetics.

Spread that money into the Marines, not just on these guys. Damn it. He said, but what I always say, I'm happy for him. The fact that he made it tells me I could have made it. No. Okay, no, that doesn't tell you that at all. He's bigger and better.

Jesus Christ. Apparently, Darryl here, he said that, I guess Darryl got arrested for tussling with his wife, I guess, in the front lawn. And that happened there. So that's interesting. Oh, no, not Darryl. They're talking, Darryl's talking about Dale. I got confused because Daryl and Dale feel so similar.

And I've read this like three times. I need them to just write Monique so that we can know them. Monique, it's Monique and Daryl and Vivian. Speaking of Vivian, Vivian said when we talked to Dale, we told him, yo, it's like every year something's going down. When you're a superstar, you've got to shine like a superstar a superstar and we told him you're dulling it up like a rock Yeah, I don't know what it is. I mean nobody believes it around here. He could do no wrong about you know All the fucked up things he's got going on here

Lucy will Lucille the mother wanted a Dale to come back home She talked with Atlanta coach Mike Fratello that year. His mom called the coach in Georgia and said, will you bring my son to Atlanta? That's not how that works. That's wild. But Dale didn't even want to. When he became a free agent, he wanted to stay in Seattle. He didn't want to go play for Atlanta.

Smart. Yeah, he's like, fucking no. Plus, I'm a three and so is Dominique Wilkins. Right, I'm not playing there. I'm not playing there. So yeah, they said it's better for him to stay away. This article says he's kind of more of an icon than a person in Marietta.

So maybe it's better to keep that sheen on him. They said when he goes there, quote, the children just wanted to touch him. That doesn't sound good. He said, I said then to Dale, you see why you got to do something with your life. And this is his old guidance counselor said that his old guidance counselor said, I want him to keep his image. People here have a great deal of respect for him and I don't want me. I don't want him to let me down. Wow. So he's

they also, Darrell says, I expected this to happen to Dale, meaning his DUI charge. He said, it's what happened to all pro athletes when they get to that status. They drive drunk. They don't have to drive drunk. You don't really have to. He says he doesn't know if Dale has a drinking problem or anything like that. He just says that he has a skepticism of the whole sports in America process and how it always seems that no matter how real or exaggerated the transgressions of these sports figures are, they all seem to make more money in the end. He said, quote, next thing you know, he'll be doing a rehabilitation commercial.

Then he'll get a discover card at or something. Because he said, Darrell's fucking jealous is what that is. Wow, that is fucking wild. His agent though, Dale's agent, David Falk, has got the same agent as Jordan. He predicted that the car crash throws a damper on his endorsement possibilities that were already limited because of his past troubles anyway. He said, you can't just snap your fingers and make that go away. So yeah, man, that is, I have Darrell, I'm disappointed in Darrell's

fucking sitting there just stewing about him. They don't fucking get that. He'll probably come out on top for that fucking asshole. Go to rehab, get a Samsonite ad that the Samsonite briefcase can hold up to Dale, Dale, Dale, Dale, Dave, driving Dale Ellis's crashes. He said, I don't think he'll ever do it again Vivian his brother says because because he's got a mind of what can happen. He never thought it'd be like this. I know he didn't. So yeah that is he's had some problems obviously here March 8 1990 Ellis apologizes about his accident. He just apologized.

To who? Because I didn't hear it. To the team. I didn't know. To the team. That's who he apologized to. Yeah, he said, I know a lot of people have been talking about, have been bothered by me

not talking about it, the accident meaning. I want to apologize to all the fans and everyone else for the problems I've caused the team. I realize I have a responsibility not only to my family, but to my teammates, the Sonics, and the fans caused the team. I realize I have a responsibility not only to my family, but to my teammates, the Sonics and the fans in the community." And Bicker staff, hair getting more silver by the second said, we're 100% behind Dale Ellis. I've conveyed to Dale Ellis how I feel. I think he's ready to play now. He's been working with us. Everything's going to be great. So he's all good here. Okay, now April 30 1990 Ellis's attorney will seek to move

his trial outside of King County. Really? So trying to it's a DUI trial and they're trying to get it moved like it's from Seattle, like it's the OJ trial, like we get it to it's fucking ridiculous. So April 19 1990 here. Now people are saying everyone's been too hard on Dale Ellis. There's all these editorials and people who write letters to the paper going, you leave Dale alone. He crossed every lane man. So I don't care. He had a couple of drinks. He smacked his wife around. None of this matters yeah here is here is an editorial here quote there have been many articles on Dale Ellis in this newspaper many have been written by the same sports writer they have been very negative and hurtful to Dale his family and to people

who personally know and work with him some of the material read by your readers would lead them to believe Dale Ellis was a very irresponsible, selfish person. Yeah. Based on information, yeah. That Dale Ellis had many personal problems and was a heavy duty partier. Well considering all of his traffic violations are at two in the fucking morning, I'm going to say yeah, probably. He crossed the freeway.

Yeah, I've never done that. The whole thing. Never. Yeah. Statements have been written that are misleading and altogether not true. We know Monique and Dale through running our basketball camp. This will be our fourth year working with this couple. They are a wonderful couple and nice individuals.

Dale is a private, intelligent, polite person. He enjoys working with his 500 campers. The kids love him and he takes the time to work and talk with them. He's a superb basketball player and an exceptional example to learn from. Really? All of that except for the last part and all of that can be true as well as hit a guardrail and crossed the fucking freeway. Yeah. It's he's all good until midnight hits between the hours of midnight and

4am. He's an asshole. So that's what he's got to work on. He's great. 20 hours a day, The drinking time. Drinking times. So we just wanted to let your readers know that Dale Ellis is not only a Seattle supersonic basketball player but also more importantly a very kind and nice human being from Terry and Donna Robinson. Oh they signed it. Yeah there you go. He by the way April 21 1990, he set the single game record at the time in the NBA with nine three-pointers in a game. Yeah, and that was going to be broken.

I think Del Curry broke it later. Yeah. Rex Chapman broke it. I think that was just the playoffs, though. Yeah, that might have been playoffs. And afterwards, when he was coming off the court, a fan shouted, now you can buy a new Mercedes Dale he makes 1.5 million that year September 25th 1990 his trial begins a jury of three men and three women has been impaneled

for his trial on drunken and reckless driving charges and so now we got a fucking that's wild an impaneled jury. Went to trial for DUI before I'd even heard of him. That is fucking crazy. He testifies at his own trial saying he was driving too fast before he crashed his car, but no, of course he wasn't intoxicated. That's ridiculous. He said he had been, he became confused when he had to decide between going north or south on the i-5

Even though he's lived here for years. Yeah became confused Phoenix there's a lot of those east west north south I've never confused when I go I know exactly where I'm going west is west that way. Okay, great I mean, there's there's an exit for a freeway from a freeway But and there's two lanes, but one lane says north one lane says south It's very obvious and you know where you're you know, whether you're going north or south usually whether you want to go north or south So September 29th 1993 man three woman jury here. They deliberate for more than 10 hours over two days

He seems like more than is necessary for this type of thing. And they reach a unanimous verdict. He is found guilty of drunken driving and reckless driving. Both counts. Sentencing will be in six weeks. He denied he was drunk. They thought he was. They decided he was. So he also refused to take a breath test at the scene.

And refused, then refused to take a blood alcohol test at the Harbor View Medical Center where he was being treated to. You don't get to claim that you're not with it. We've all decided that those scientific ways of determining it are accurate. That's a problem. Yeah, you want to prove it, prove it. So that is not good here. Anyway, the maximum penalty for the one is 90 days driver's license suspended.

The maximum for reckless driving is a 90 days in jail. And it's a year in jail also for the drunken driving, 90 days in jail and all that shit. So 90, 91, he is, he's with Seattle for part of the year here and they're going to end up, they're going to end up getting rid of him here. But October 5th, 1990 is his sentencing. He receives. Here it comes. By the way, the coach said this is

going to be an adjustment for him. He's been through a great deal from the accident, then through the court and the media blitz. It's a difficult thing to get through. I'm proud of the way he's hung with it. It just gives me more respect for him. Okay. Okay.

He is sentenced to you, sir, may fuck off one day in jail. What? One day in jail at community service. And he has to go to driving school, which that should have been like six days a week of driving school, number one. He should have like at least a semester of that to go. Yeah, he's gotta pass like finals. He needs a lot going on here.

He got a day in jail. He crossed the whole fucking freeway. He has to appear before a panel of drunk driving victims and their families also. Ooh, that's not easy. He's gotta do, yeah. He's been through such a great deal. What a great, he's been through such a great deal. What a great deal he's been through.

Oh my goodness. Even who is this? The prosecutor said that he has a terrible driving record, including 10 offenses in a two year period. Jesus Christ, please. Good Lord. And then his lawyer said he has some bad driving, but that habits that's there's no question about that,

but he's improved They were like one day in jail so that is fucking funny He already had his driver's license lost for a year for refusing the breath test and now he's gonna get it all that money To go to trial to give a man one day. That's that's what a waste and then October 26th He fails to show up. He failed to report for his scheduled day one day in jail It's probably work for a low Yeah, well, they said he got home at 3 a.m. After a Super Sonics exhibition game against Chicago and Vancouver They didn't get home too late. And so, you know and that's a game that didn't matter

They didn't get home till late and so, you know. And that's a game that didn't matter? Yeah, he said he thought he should not report with only a few hours sleep, because he's also supposed to do classes on alcoholism and drunk driving and you know, he wasn't gonna be awake for them. So, you know, he said we'll just reschedule him. This isn't a fucking hair appointment.

It's your day in jail. Halloween, he finally goes to jail. He'll serve his time at the North End Rehabilitation Facility, they said. His fucking day in jail. A rehab center. And then he gets out and he's fine. Everything's fine. Doing well, walking around. No children, huh?

Nope. He's got one, Ashley, the daughter. Oh, that's right, yeah. He at least doesn't have like a dozen like Travis Henry. It's the middle of the night. No car now, though. Middle of the night, he's walking around in a drunken ha Henry. Right. It's the middle of the night. No car now though. Middle of the night he's walking around in a drunken haze and what's he going to do? He does smell something cooking that smells pretty good though.

He smells something. He's hungry. A night of drinking will make you hungry. You know that 2 a.m. hunger? Oh God. I need something to soak it up. It's deep. It's deep.

You know what's good for that? Meat. It's shwarma, Jimmy. That's what's good for that. Lucky for Dale, he finds the shwarma man and he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? No, seriously, I ask how you come here.

You didn't drive, do you? Because you're not supposed, he's not supposed to drive. Check outside for Mercedes with big dent inside. That would be his probably, I would say. and liquor spill in driver's seat you can't stay here you're too drunk you have to you go sign say closed you go I know make for you throw up on my floor again no we do this last time you throw up on floor remember now you go you go and don't take his keys someone there hey take his keys from him I don't know and poof in a cloud of shwarma and spits, he's gone.

And Dale is very confused of what just happened to him. Hopefully he's not driving though, so that's good. So that year he averages way less. He averages 16.8 points a game, and he has traded from the Sonics to the Bucks for Ricky Pierce, who was a really good player at one. Yeah 9091 bucks he ends up there with Dell Harris as the coach the future Laker coach the white haired guy Dell Harris. Yeah, and oh, yeah. Yeah, Dell Harris D. E. L. L. Yeah, D. E. L. 1l. Yeah

He makes 1 million two hundred fifty thousand dollars this year Not too shabby. It's 1L. 1L, Dell with 1L. Like of Harris? Like Spanish? Like taco. Yeah. Like Dell taco.

Wow. The Bucks are 51 and 31, or 31 and 51, I'm sorry, and 91, 92. That's a big difference, by the way. Alvin Robertson on that team, another alum here. Very nice. Brad Lohas, I remember him from NBA Jam. He was the white guy that the Bucs had on NBA Jam who was terrible.

We called him Blow-Has, just because it was B. Lohas. You're just asking for it. This year, 15.7 points per game. So two years ago, he was averaging over 20, and now he is 15.7. Right. He's gonna be traded to the Spurs for Tracy Murray who I believe was a UCLA guy. Yeah Tracy Murray

is a good player. Spurs are 49 and 33 this year which they had three coaches this year. One game with Rex Hughes, a bunch with John Lucas and then Jerry Tarkanian 9 and 11. The UNLV coach, yeah, forgot it that he was there for a second. They go to the playoffs, beat the Blazers and then lose to the Suns. This is the 92-93. So they lose to the Suns. January 31st, 1993, he gets a ticket again disregarding a stop sign. In San Antonio. San Antonio. Yeah, he's going to move it all down there now and get these things.

He's Texas's problem now Yeah, that's it. We're done with him 16.7 points. He averages that season So again, he goes from 25 to fucking 16, which is Wow Not wonderful makes a million dollars that year for the Spurs next year Spurs are 55 and 27 But they lose to the Jazz in the first round of the playoffs So that was their thing for a while. That was when they had Dennis Rodman, David Robinson, Dale, Willie Anderson will have his own episode someday.

Avery Johnson, Vinny Dell, Harris Negros. Vinny Dell, I'm not saying it. Sleepy Floyd. Oh wow. Yeah, Antoine Carr on that team, so he's back now. JR Reid on that team. 15.2 points a game for Dale. Avery Johnson was not there yet huh? No no he's not there yet. He comes later on. Yeah he was Dallas for a long time. I remember from video games he

was always Derek Harper on Dallas always too. So 93-94 10.5 points a game. He's down to- It is getting worse. He's also busted for speeding in San Antonio again in 1994. 94 he signs as a free agent with the Nuggets. They go 41-41 that year. Again, three coaches that year. Really?

He goes to these teams who are just in flux. Dan Issell, who was a great player back in the day, Gene Jean Littles and Bernie Bickerstaff is here now from Seattle Bernie came down here Yeah, this is butumbo and stiff and Abdul Rauf once he changed his name Robert pack Rodney Rogers Jalen Rose bison Dele this ain't a lot great Greg Grant Lafonzo Ellis There's some decent players in that mix there. Not too shabby. He scores 12 points a season, a game this year. Abdul, or Mahmood was, he was Mark Macon first, right?

No, he was Chris. Chris Jackson. Chris Jackson, that's, I couldn't remember Jackson or Johnson, Chris Jackson, yeah. He was a fucking good player. Great guard. Because of all of his weird ticks too, because he had OCD.

Remember he'd have all his weird ticks that he did. So that overshadowed. Between that and the name change, it overshadowed what an actually dangerous motherfucker he was on the court. He was good. Denver that 95, 96, 35 and 47. Ouch.

Yeah, not in the playoffs, not good. Dale averages 14.9 a game though, a little renaissance for Dale. They better fucking hurry because Matumbo's about to leave for Atlanta. He's about to go. 96-97, they are 21-60. Oh, he's gone, isn't he? That is fucking ugly. Yeah, they have Antonio McDyse now as a rookie.

He was good too. He was, yeah. Yeah, they do. Yeah, he's gone now, Matumbo. He took off on them. He's like, I can't do this anymore with you fucking losers. 41-04. Yeah, he's gone now.

He's gone now. He's gone now. He's gone now. He's gone too. He was, yeah. Yeah, they do. Yeah, he's gone now. But Tombo, he took off on him. He's like, I can't do this anymore with you fucking losers. 41 and 41 is no good. This is a mess. Dale averages 16.6 a game. So that's the best year he's had since 92, 93. Yeah. After the season, he's right before the 97, 98 season, he's traded by Denver back to Seattle. So he ends up back on Seattle who by now is 61-21 this season. George Carl, these are the Sonics that you remember. Aggressive team. Yeah. Yeah. And they beat those Timberwolves in the playoffs and then lose to the Lakers in the playoffs there. These are the Shaq and Wookiee, Kobe, Raek Lakers there. These is a Shacken right? Kobe rake right here's there This is Gary Payton Vin Baker death left shrimp Hershey Hawkins Sam Perkins

Jerome Kershie Jim McElvee Nate McMillan Greg Anthony. These are the ones you remember David We'll have his own episode Lot of those guys there. So he averages 11.8 points a game, but he's third in the sixth man of the year voting Really? He's a sixth man now not even a starter anymore but that's very valuable a sixth man. A guy that can come off the bench and drill threes is mad important this time. Huge especially in a playoff team. One point nine two million dollars he makes this year too. He only averages in 97-98 five point six points a game in the regular season. That's All right. That's what Robert Ory did, too

Yeah That's what I did too. So 9899 Paul Westfall coaching the Sonics. I forgot he went there. That's weird. That's the strike shortened year They're 25 and 25 Dale averages 10.3 a game that year He makes 1.75 million though. June 30th, 1999, he's traded by the Sonics with Don McLean and his American Pie.

Yeah, right down to Charlotte, huh? Corey McGuetti, Billy Owens, so that's a big group there. Sure is. To Orlando for Horace Grant and a draft pick. So Horace Grant went up to Seattle. Yes. Number that at first he went there after he was a then August of that was June 30th, 1999. Then August 19th, 1999. He's traded by Orlando. He doesn't even have a chain. He didn't even move there. Yeah.

He didn't even have a chance to get it like a DUI there I'm speeding ticket nothing Casey Anthony lasted longer there. Oh shit. Hey, she didn't even go there He's very traded with Danny Manning by the way who yeah is getting up in years to the bucks for Chris Gatling and Armin Gilliam Wow, yeah, I didn't know of any of this shit. So he starts the year out on the Bucks. We won't talk too much about it

because halfway through the year, January 18th, he's traded by the Bucks to the Charlotte Hornets for a draft pick. Just for a pick. For two picks, a second round 2000 pick and a 2002 second round pick two second round picks yikes which with which they got Jason Hart and Chris Owens there you go they did terrific with that Wow 99 2000 Charlotte here

they are 49 and 33 and lose to the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs okay that was the year I think the Sixers went to the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs. That was the year I think the Sixers went to the finals and got stopped because they were just Iverson and nobody else, right? If I'm not mistaken. This team, Eddie Jones on that team, Eldon Campbell, Derek Coleman. Is that Popeye Jones, Eddie Jones? No, no, Eddie Jones who was on Miami for a while.

Oh, who was Popeye Jones? Was that his real name? Totally different player. I don't think so. I think he played for Dallas a lot, I think Popeye Jones. Eddie Jones was that his real name or Lee different play? I don't think so I think I don't think Dallas a lot. I think yeah, Eddie Jones was a really fucking good player. He was a nice player good defender Yeah, he's a he's one of those guys that you forget about but if you look up the stats you go Holy shit, that guy's pretty fucking good this year. He averaged 20.1 points a game for Charlotte, huh? Yeah, 20.1 points 4.8 rebounds 4.2 assists Eddie Jones did not

yeah and this is he's got to be one of the better players on the team that year in 2000. Oh Eddie Jones? Yeah. He's the top scorer by far. Yeah guy he's the man that year yeah he's their their star. That's depressing. Dale that year averages in with both teams 4.2 points a game that year. It's over for Dale. Jesus. He does make $2,095,250 that year. He's going to finish his career with 15.7 points per game.

How much money did he make? Not a lot. No, no. For a guy that played in that era of like big money time? 20,272,750. He really got his in. Minus all the shit? Like he didn't make shit.

He didn't make shit. He's got nothing left from that, I'm sure. I'm sure of it. August 1st, 2000, he's traded by the Hornets with Ricky Davis, Eddie Jones, and Anthony Mason to the Heat. That's where I remember Eddie Jones on the Heat, mainly. For PJ Brown, Rodney Buford, Tim James, Jamal Mashburn, and Otis Thorpe. Jesus.

This is trade 190s team for another. And then he's waved by the Heat on October 30th. So that's that. And he's done. So that is 2000-2001. January 18th, 2002. He is sought by police after his wife reports another assault. Oh Apparently he allegedly hit his wife during an argument this morning around 7 45 a.m.

Yeah, it's too early for that shit, right bright and early come you got to be up still or some shit cuz that's too early I'm like anyone's trying to argue with me at 745. I'm like, get the fuck away from me. The argument we're having is I'm going to sleep. No, you're not. Yes, I am. No, you're not. That's the only thing we're doing. I'll go sit in the bathroom to get away from you at 745 AM. I'll sleep outside. I don't care. I guess she called 911 to report the assault in progress and yeah, they treated her for injuries to her face and hands Dale was gone by then police searched for him all day and as

of last night they didn't know where he was still they do know there was no weapons involved and the wife did not have to go to a hospital for medical interest they treated her at the scene minor cuts and scrapes or whatever so there's that he's been obviously they talk about all his other problems and there's been a domestic violence thing with him before. They said a summons will be issued to him. They said a summons is equivalent to an arrest. If we're able to locate him, he would have been arrested

and booked in jail and he'd have to make a court appearance. Under the new rule which became effective September 1st, domestic violence suspects can no longer post bail until they're arraigned. We have no idea where he is, but there's nothing to indicate he's a flight risk. He's a known suspect. He's not a threat to the community. Unless he's in a car. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Seattle's freeways are a mess. They're just going around looking for anyone driving badly and they're like, you roll it. Dale Ellis? No, fuck, little white lady. Okay, never mind, roll it up. We thought you were Dale Ellis. Go on your way, ma'am.

Nice car. Just looking for poor, yeah, nice car you got there. Just looking for poor drivers. So I mean, they can't find him. It's hard to find him. He's a big mystery. Yeah. And I feel bad for anyone who's had a deal with his driving and his wife, but not nearly

as bad as I feel. For Dale Ellis, director at Heating and Ventilation in the UK. There, it's a company, Heating and Ventilation UK. Dale Ellis, superintendent at Montgomery County Schools in Montgomery County, North Carolina. Dale Ellis, applications engineer at KT Hydraulics. Okay. What? Dale Ellis, federal court reporter at the Arkansas Democrat Gazette as well.

He'll be reporting on all of his arrests, I'm sure. Yeah. And finally, Dale Ellis, general manager of Australian Sports Nutrition in Queensland. Oh. He's involved in sports. OK, January 19th, 2002, he is arrested here for the assault. They said we have probable cause to believe he assaulted her. And there it goes. When the police that he had been gone when they got there, obviously, they said we looked

at every place he likely would have been and didn't locate him. Bars. Bars and, you know, 730 AM fucking jails. And March 28, 2002, he I guess they had arrested him. A judge gives him a suspended one year jail sentence contingent on him having no new offenses and meeting other sentence conditions. Uh oh. He'll be on probation

for 24 months and is ordered to not contact his wife. He's also suspended all but $200 of the $5,000 fine also they did for him. That's awfully nice of him. He's ordered to go to a domestic violence class, undergo evaluation and complete 10 hours of community service a month for one year. So 120 hours of community service. Everything suspended pending don't fuck up over the next 24. Two years James, he's got to keep it between the lines. Got to keep it. The judge said this and this is what he needs to hear.

Her order that Ellis quote, get involved in some useful activity for a change. Ever since he stopped playing basketball, he has no- Figure it out, man. Nothing. His lawyer apologized for him in court and said he knows what he did was wrong and said that he knows he should be held accountable. So he's gotta go to the programs,

he's gotta do all that shit. He pled guilty to this eventually, and that's what happens. So he had had faced a year in jail and a $5,000 fine and got who gots out of it. So He is lucky. I'll tell you what. I'm sitting down Dale Ellis He has really skated by somehow and I haven't found there's no other arrests for him in the last 20 years or so He's clean. Maybe he got involved in something fucking maybe that judge told him what he needed here

Yeah, nowadays if you're looking for him, yeah, he, he's kind of, who does he look like? Oh my God, who does he look like? Like a little bit of like, he looks like, okay, Sam Jackson, Samuel Jackson, looks different as an old man than he did when he was younger. This guy looks like an old man version of Sam Jackson made younger, not the old, not the young Sam Jackson. Either that or he looks a little bit like Mariano Rivera. And he's very, he's gotten a tan.

What happened there? He looks great. He's got a good head shape for bald and shiny. He's doing terrific. Yeah, looks like he's living in like, in South Florida, like having a great time. I like that he has every fucking team he ever played for as his background. As his background, all of them. That's fucking funny on his LinkedIn.

This is his LinkedIn. He is president of the NBRPA Atlanta chapter, shooting skills trainer, and yeah, so some national basketball. NBRP? Some basketball shit, I don't know. He's close enough to the NBA to have them scrub his fucking records. He says, this is his profile, as a professional basketball player in the NBA for 17 years,

I've been lucky enough to live out some of my wildest dreams, like crashing cars in the middle of the night. My wife has no idea about most of them. None. Don't tell her. Shh. I am using the skills I've acquired along the way to help others fill their potential, to reach their full potential. I have a lifetime of experience striving for excellence, which has taught me leadership

teamwork and how to communicate with others effectively. One of the things that brings me the greatest joy is giving back to my hometown community in Marietta, Georgia. As a kid growing up, I had role models who showed me the way and gave me the guidance I needed to succeed. Okay, another way I'm giving back is my working with kids who have a passion for basketball. I know firsthand how much dedication it takes to excel in the sport, blah blah blah. Also focused on training my own son.

Really? He's got a son. I want to pass on everything I've learned. Is Ashley a son? No, Ashley was his daughter. His son's name is Isabel. Get it right. Bernice. It's Bernice. My son Bernice is doing terrific. You're getting a girl's name too, motherfucker. I had to live with it. Ask your uncle Vivian what that shit's all about. Punk bitch, it makes you tougher. He said, I also incorporate mental exercise to help players develop the confidence and

focus they need. He is the Atlanta chapter, the president of the Atlanta chapter of the NBRPA. I am passionate about working with my fellow athletes in the second lives and fundraising causes that we care about. Though the chapter we work tirelessly to raise money through the chapter for organizations that support education, youth development, community outreach, he's working with kids. That's what's going on. Can't get enough of Dale. Here is a, it's on sports memorabilia.com, a Dale Ellis autographed eight by 10 picture of him on the Spurs, taking a jump shot, 33.99.

I know that picture, I know exactly what it is. Yep, there it is. The one, see his lips, that's what I mean. That was a card. Yeah, I know exactly that card, yeah. That's the shit with Clyde Drexler looking back, that's why I remember it so much. And he's number three,

because that's the shot he shot, babe. That's the shot. I don't even remember the card because of him, I remember it because Drexler's in it. And he's looking back like he's gonna hit he shot, babe. That's the shot. Out there in the yard. I don't even remember the card because of him. I remember it because Drexler's in it. And he's looking back like he's gonna hit that shit or what. Is it the top stadium club? It might be a stadium club. Might be one of those.

Wait, was top stadium club? Yeah, upper deck was. Wait, upper deck stadium club? I don't know. It would be 93, 94. It was one of the nice cards. Anyway, that's Dale Ellis, everybody. Had no idea, right?

What a piece of shit. A fucking mess. Who knew? You asshole. But it seems like he's been cleaned up the last 20 years. I hope he didn't name his kid Dale Monique Jr. That's all I can hope. Monique.

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