Crime in Sports - #417 - Turkey Bob & The Beggars - Ted Turner - Part 1

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

This week, we tell an old timey story about one of the craziest families, that has ever existed, who happened to have produced a son, who had a very brief baseball career. His parents passed their criminology down to all 11 siblings, causing them to turn into a gang of sneak thieves, muggers, saloon brawlers, prostitutes & murderers. In part one, Ted is already in jail, before he's anywhere near an adult, but already involved in some serious crime!Be born into crime, have your father be the most prolific poultry thief in the state of Kentucky, and be in & out of jail, before you even play in the major leagues with Ted Turner - Part 1!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And we have, this is, these are my favorite. We have an old timey episode. And this family puts Joe Pepitone's family to shame in terms of insanity. He has a crazier father than Joe Pepitone. Terrific. I never thought we'd say that. Cause at the time we were like-

Just fighting children. Yeah, we say a whole team of children. At the time we were like fighting children yes we say a whole team of children at the time we were like well no one's ever had a crazier father and then within a few months here we are again with someone who's even crazier before we get to that though quickly definitely head over to shut up and give me murder.com if you have any interest in anything that we're putting out there merchandise there's all sorts of shit there to get so it's a lot of fun follow us on social media patreon.com slash crime and sports. All your bonus material, hundreds of episodes, new ones every other week. We'll talk about them at the end of the show. What

the hell we'll have there, son, a big deal. Let's get right to the show though. Let's get it. Because it's crazy because we have a wild, wild asshole this week. Terrific. And his name is Ted Turner. Is that right? Yes. Now, that's the funny part here, obviously, right off the bat is he's name is Ted Turner. Is that right? Yes. Now that's the funny part here obviously right off the bat is he's not that Ted Turner. No, because this Ted Turner

was born May 4th, 1892. You sure it's not the same guy? Definitely not. He's not a yachtsman this guy by any stretch. That Ted Turner, obviously the famous Ted Turner who started CNN and TBS and all that kind of shit. TNT. TNT, that guy, you know, his dad was like an advertiser. He did signs, billboards and all that, and that's how Ted made his money, is he took over his dad's business.

But his dad was like. He's an idiot already. Well his dad, yeah, but his dad was like a fuck up and an alcoholic, and he ended up, his dad killed himself. That's how. Jesus. He did it, yeah, and his dad was an asshole to him too. Like Ted had to, yeah, Ted got kicked out of college

for writing some article and all this type of shit. That's the type of, yeah, yeah, Ted Turner's a fucking, he's a crazy motherfucker, so. I've never heard anything that I hated about him, to be honest. Everything I keep hearing is great. He closes deals by making people, like high level businessmen smoke weed out of a corn cob pipe with him in his office. He's deals by making people like high-level businessmen smoke weed out

of a corncob pipe with him in his office. He's a fucking weirdo. He's hilarious. Wow. So anyway, Ted Turner took his father's fledgling shitty billboard business and turned it into what he turned it into because he's a psychopath and his father was just not. He made America love the Braves for Christ's sake. Or at least he made it. He forced us to watch them anyway. Whether or not you like them, it's on you. He sure forced us to watch them. When I moved to Phoenix, that was like, well, because Phoenix didn't have a baseball team

in the early 90s, and it was like, well, I guess I'm watching fucking Braves games every day even though I hate them. I watch a lot of Braves Cubs and Sox games, man. They were on all the goddamn time. WGN was a lifesaver. It was great. Yeah, the White Sox will play the Yankees once in goddamn time. WGN was a lifesaver. It's great. Yeah, the White Sox will play the Yankees once in a while so I get to see a Yankee game and then, you know, you get to see the Cubs which I like watching Wrigley games and all that kind of shit.

But this Ted Turner is totally different. His name is Theodore Holtop Turner. H-O-L-T-O-P. Holtop. What is that? I assume it's probably a family name from his mother's side, last name. That was very common back then to give your kids the middle name of a family last name. He's born in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky, and his family are just wild hill people. Terrific.

This is holler time. I mean, they're all crazy. There's like nine kids. They're awesome. They're all complete delinquents. It's a fucking disaster and his dad's the worst of them all. And by the way, I'll tell you right up front, very little sports in this episode. He probably has had the shortest career of anybody we've ever covered. Literally. It's hilarious how short of a career he's had it. We'll get to that later short of a career he's had it. We'll get to that later though, I won't ruin the surprise.

So his father is Robert Lee Turner. And he has two different nicknames that are pretty, same spirit to both of them, let's just say. He's either Turkey Bob or Chicken Bob, either one. He's Pou poultry bob either way Depending on how you can recognize the bird. It's either a chicken or a turkey either a chicken or a turkey We're not sure you need meat Bob lean meat Bob. That's it white meat fucking dark meat Bob here crispy skin Bob So and that is because he steals chickens and turkeys constantly he steals them repeatedly like

Goes to prison for stealing chickens because he can't stop stealing chickens. He's such a fucking maniac. He's Dana Carvey in Lost in Paradise just stealing only chickens. Only chickens, yeah. Chickens, this guy will steal chickens, turkeys. He'll steal anything with a beak that's not nailed down. He's got it. It's all his. What is that about?

It's so weird. Does he like the taste? Does he eat them? I don't know if he's just obsessed with having them but his kids do it too. All of his kids steal livestock and corn and tools they're like these people are like a fucking... Meth heads minus the meth. It's a band of like disgusting meth heads with like nine kids and they're all the father sends them all out to be delinquents. I don't even know what I, we've never heard of a family like this before. It's so strange. That's incredible. Yeah. They're the trashiest people ever. So his mother's name is Mary Turner and he has either nine or 10 siblings. We're not sure either eight, nine or 10. We're not sure cause it's said it's said different and various places, and this is 130 years ago, so we don't have no idea.

It's kind of difficult here. It's safe to say he has too many, either way. Either way, he shouldn't have this many kids. He has more children than he can support, for sure. I feel like, yeah, all the kids here weren't like miracles. They were just irresponsibilities, is how this goes. So he'll eventually, our guy Ted here will eventually have a wife named Mamie who is, that's a very old timey name.

Yeah it is. And he'll have a son named Walter who they call Tootsie. Like the famous Dustin Hoffman character. He would not, he just liked to cross dress and walk around New York City. So what? Curly hair and moomoos. That's it. He liked it. What do you want from him? That is fascinating about men that, in the movies when they cross-dress to be convincing,

it's always just a dress that's way too big so you can't see their manly thing. Yeah, so you don't see that and they still have like fucking huge calves and shit and you're like, what's going on here? Yeah. So Dustin Hoffman did not look like a hot woman in that movie.

No, no, no, no. But every guy in there was like, who's this piece of ass? It's like, it's fucking Rain Man. What are you talking about? You want to fuck Rain Man? It's Captain Hook, you guys. Yeah. Wow.

You are not good at this. So he'll also have Elmer, who he'll nickname Buddy. He's like, Elmer's a pretty redneck-y name, but let's make it worse. Why even name him if you're just gonna give him dumb shit names like that? That's a really good question. There's so many questions that I have for this guy, it's not even fucking funny.

So that's, we'll start with that one. So he's born in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky, like we said, and there's anywhere from nine to 11 children in the family here. The 1900 federal census refers to Bob Chicken slash Turkey Turner, the father, as a farm laborer. But various Kentucky newspapers in the time, and we'll go over a bunch of them, call him quote, one of the most hardened criminals in the state, in the whole state.

The scourge of Kentucky. Like turn of the century Kentucky, and he's the worst of all of these fucking hardened, you know, he goes back into the holler at night, and fucking you just see his eyes peeking out. Just a woods guy. Yeah, just in the dark there. Just yikes.

Using, oh God, this is some... Can't wait for you to turn your back on that chicken. So, January 25th, 1907, here's an article from the Courier Journal here, and it says Charges after contempt rule, sensational developments in alleged bribery case. Robert Turner, that's chicken slash turkey bob, accuses juvenile court officers. Criminations and recriminations follow his reply. Now this is because his kids, specifically two of his teenage sons at this point, one is is our guy Ted and then there's another son, at some point here they get in trouble a lot. They're always getting arrested for various

thieverys. They've got a reputation for it. And apparently Turkey slash chicken Bob decided to bribe one of the juvenile court officers to get him out of here and that was an accusation against him and he said well they asked for the bribe so it became like a big corruption case. Oh hilarious. Yeah Yeah, I paid it, but it's because they implied that I could get away with it. That's why, I mean, they asked for it, and I said, well, sure, it's not my fucking, I'm not the one with a job that I signed something

to say I would be honest about, sure. Nobody ever in Mexico today says, I'll give you $100, and you look the other way on it. The federales will tell you, give me 300 pesos and I'll walk away. Yeah, they name their price. I mean, obviously, you're not gonna just offer things. That's what it is, in bribery.

Yeah, yeah, that's how it works. It's usually not bribery, it's fucking crooked, crooked somebody that- You say, what'll it take and they tell you. Yeah. That's it. What's it gonna take? And I'm in trouble? That's not fair. Well, believe me, I'm Italian, I know a lot about bribery. You say, what's it gonna take and then tell you. Yeah. That's it. And I'm in trouble? That's not fair. Well, believe me, I'm Italian.

I know a lot about bribery. You say, what's it gonna take? And then it works, yeah. That guy offered it. I didn't fucking do it. Don't talk to me. What the fuck you want from me? Sure, I paid the bribe,

but what I felt was I was paying the fine. Just without paperwork. I don't know who's acting officially at this point. Maybe it's him. Maybe he's got some kind of fucking providence behind him here, I don't know. I just put the money in the envelope. I'm just a guy who steals chickens. I have no idea how the government works.

I paid the fine, that's what I'm telling you. It says a rule of contempt issued by county judge Charles A. Wilson against Robert Turner requiring him to appear in court and show cause why he should not be punished for making alleged offers of money to officers of the juvenile court to secure the release of his son now in the industrial school. This is when Ted got sent to the quote industrial school which was like it was like a bad a

bad juvenile hall mixed with some sort of vocational training. Yeah like here's how to weld you little delinquent which is actually good. Yeah sure. Unless it's doing it for General Motors. If the kid takes that and does something with it, excellent. If he takes it and decides he's gonna now like you know weld a car to a building just to fuck with people then he's... Or make a still. Yeah that's gonna be an issue. They say this gives rise to a series of grave charges and counter charges and will, on next Thursday afternoon, receive a thorough investigation by the court.

Whether Turner's move is made in good faith or is merely a political play inspired by certain elements to discredit the juvenile court and its work has yet to develop. Suspicion, however, indicates so far that the latter is the case. So yeah, he's trying to discredit this here. Indicates so far, wow, yeah, indicates so far, that's how the newspaper put it, that the latter is the case. Turner is represented by attorneys, Bruce Helm, blah, blah, blah, who has it happens, our leading counsel for the fusionists in the election contest cases. Okay.

Okay. The affidavit or response which they prepared for Turner and to which their excellent, their, what is this? It's a 1907 newspaper, so some of the, it's not a great scan in some of this. Their client swore, it looks like, man like there's a line through it, client swore charges, among other things, Mrs. Kate Heyman, Chief Probation Officer and for years, Matron of the jail, with having introduced someone to Turner as Robert W. Bingham, County Attorney, for the purposes of getting certain papers out of Turner's possession. It later developed that Bernard Flexner was the person who Mrs. Hayman introduced to Turner. His assertion that Turner was deceived was indignantly denied by Mr. Flexner, who said that Mrs. Hayman did not identify him to the man at all. Furthermore, he said that Turner was himself accompanied by Samuel Tate, who was his lawyer at the time, and Mr. Tate was well acquainted with Mr. Flexner. Okay. When Mr. Turner filed his response, Judge Wilson passed the matter until 2 o'clock for further consideration,

and they said they were going to do all this. Now, Turner, they talk about having two sons, 17 years of age, and 15. Now, they're saying Turner, they're saying Theodore is 17 at this point. Okay. Even though on his date of birth is 1892. saying Turner, they're saying Theodore is 17 at this point. Even though on his date of birth is 1892. No, so he'd be 15. I don't know if his date of birth there is wrong or if the court, here's what I think. Because his dad is saying he's 17

and if his dad's saying he's 17, at that point he would be released from the industrial school because he's out of their age. But the court is saying he's younger, so that's how this is working. So he's trying to break him free by saying he's older. He's too old to be there. He's too old to be there, but there's also bribes. So it says, in his response he says that five weeks ago Detective Belzer and Myers came to his home when he was absent and took both boys away and that he was never able to learn what charge had been placed against them. It's a thievery, general thievery, by the way.

He denied any delinquency in connection with the children. It is further alleged that they were brought before the juvenile court and committed to the industrial school. Regarding the charge that he had been offering money to officers of the juvenile court to get his younger son released, the respondent said that on the day after the commitment of both of them, he was approached by Edward Bloomfield, an attorney, and told that he could secure the release of the elder son if he could raise $25. That's the bribe, which is a you know, a lot of money I guess in 1907 too. So, 25. Turner says he raised $22. Pretty good deal. You know how many chickens I had to steal for that?

A lot. Chickens are cheap. A dozen a nickel. Yeah, absolutely. And gave it to Bloomfield and the elder boy was released. So the bribe worked. And it developed later in the inquiry that Mr. Bloomfield received the money as his fee for his services and that he moved the juvenile court for Theodore's release on the grounds that he was over the legal age of custody.

So the lawyer's saying, that was just a fee for my legal services to file the paperwork saying that they have him falsely incarcerated because of his age, not a bribe. That's what he's saying. Okay. So in the original inquiry, Judge Wilson explained that when under oath, Turner gave the age of his elder boy is 16, which put him in the jurisdiction of the court, which is closer to true. And I don't think he knows how old his son is, by the way. You might be right, he may have lost track.

Nine kids? Think about it. Nine kids, would you start remembering everybody's fucking age? I got two, and sometimes I mix them up, so I get it. How often do you go, oh, you remember the year they were born, and then you do math, and you're heading, oh yeah, geez. You remember the year they were born?

Yeah, yeah, I do. I don't know. One was born right after September 11th, so that's like, yeah, yeah, Jesus Christ. You remember the year they were born? Yeah, yeah, I do. I don't know. Well, one was born right after September 11th, so that's like, Oh, yeah, that's easy. Right before, I mean, a few days before. So that was an easy one. And then the other one I have to fucking concentrate for a second.

Okay. To remember the year, so. I tattooed one of them so I remember. That's helpful. But I only know the date. Shit, where's the mirror? I don't know the year. Shit, where's the mirror? Jimmy's gotta find a mirror to find out if he needs to buy a birthday card for his daughter.

That's very... And then in the mirror it's backwards. I'm like, is it 10-9 or 9-10? Jesus Christ, I love it. So I guess that it developed all of this here. He's under 16. They're saying, when it was shown that the boy was 17 Judge Wilson immediately sustained a motion for his release. So this guy just had to make up some false paper saying he was 17

Let me get released. That's what he paid for his dad Turner in his response states further that on the same day of his transaction with Bloomfield Joe Forsting who he thought was an officer of the juvenile, came to him and asked how much he would give to get his younger boy released. Yeah, this guy's up for giving bribes. They're all coming out of the fucking woodwork now. Respondent alleges that he said that he would be willing to pay $20. Older ones were 25, but I'll only give you 20 for the younger one, sorry. Forsting is then alleged to have collected W.F. Belzer and Wallace Coulter when he heard

Belzer say he will have to put it up first. So yeah, we want money up front is what they're saying. I think 12. I think 10. I think see it. How do I know that it's not a 20 with a bunch of ones wrapped around it? I don't know what it is. I want a 10 before and a 10 after I'm paying you produce the kid you get the other 10 so

they said a moment later Turner alleges that culture and forced thing and informed him that it would cost $25 to get his younger son out of the industrial school an extra five yeah so old turkey Bob said that he tried to raise the money before the court adjourned but could only borrow $10 which with he returned and gave it to Wallace Coulter. Mr. Coulter then said to have informed him that he could not take the case for that sum. Too low of a bribe. So Turner then charges that on January 13th he met Bessler in Foresting and that they asked him if he was able to raise the money, whereupon he replied that he could not get more than $10, and they informed him that it would still take $25.

So they keep coming to him. How about now? Still only you get $10. Yeah. I got a down payment of $10, but I'll get the rest or just accept that. Chicken prices are plummeting. Yeah. I'll pay you in pilfered turkeys.

How's that? Does that work for you? I got $10 and three turkey heads. How's that? Does that work for you? Ten dollars and three turkey heads. How about it? Anything? Then follows the allegation regarding Mrs. Heyman. Turner concludes with the request that his younger son be discharged from custody to be allowed to remove to Jesamine, where he says he can find employment. Let my son come with me, or I'll move away.

I won't bother you and I can find a job." Regarding the incarceration of the boys, Judge Wilson took action against them because he believed that there was before the court sufficient proof of their misconduct to warrant it. In taking up the matter of Turner, of the Turner response in the afternoon, Judge Wilson stated that it comprehended such serious charges and reflected in one way or another upon such a large number of persons that he was not going into the case at hand, but would pass the matter over for a later day

when it could be given a thorough hearing. The judge said, too complicated. Yeah, not today. Another time. Sleepy. Yeah, I didn't eat breakfast, I'm a little. There's a turkey sandwich in my chambers, I gotta get out of here. There's a turkey.

Who put that there? Oh, it was you. Turkey Bob. He strikes again. I got to get to it. What if he got his nickname from just leaving turkey sandwiches for people? Acts of kindness. Acts of lunch kindness.

The avocado's turning brown. I got to get to it. I got to go. Really, it doesn't last very, it doesn't last long. It's got to. Right below that article, by the way, there's a very uplifting article. Oh yeah. Young woman burns to death in home. Physician who tries to save her sprains, legs and hands are scorched. Welcome to 1912. This is great. Mrs. Ethel Brady, the 17 year old daughter. Oh, miss Ethel Brady, the 17 year old daughter, oh, Miss Ethel Brady, the 17 year old daughter,

I was like, Mrs. 17, Jesus, of James Brady. 17 and dead? Of the Stanley neighborhood, met death in a horrible manner today. No shit. I guess so. The young woman was standing before an open fire when her dress skirt caught. Oh Jesus. And she was soon enveloped in a mass of flames. Oh my god. Yeah, I don't know how this didn't happen every fucking day.

Constantly. Yeah, like to Tony Soprano's girlfriend there. The amount of clothes they were wearing was insane. Clothes, they had long ass hair. Yeah. Shit. She ran screaming from the house. Just screaming on fire.

Stop, drop, and roll. Open fire in the house. In the house. That's how you cooked. You had your wood stove and you'd have to heat it up. So she ran screaming, like I said, stop, drop, and roll training, not instituted. Not there yet, yeah.

No, so Dr. Dawson was passing the house at the time, just happened to pass by, see a girl on fire. Pronounced her dead. That's how, yeah. Kept walking. That one's dead and he put a stamp on her forehead and left. And rushed to her rescue. The frightened girl threw her arms about left and rushed to her rescue. The frightened

girl threw her arms about him and it was necessary for the doctor to use considerable force before the girl released her hold on him. He threw her in the mud and rolled her over several times in an attempt to extinguish the flames. In the tussle with the girl, the doctor's leg was sprained and he was burned about the hands. It sounded like he fought her in the tussle. The girl died in agony in a few hours. Jesus! Jesus Christ! I love the extra details the old newspapers put in. She died in the next year. Died in agony. She died whilst screaming and bleeding through wounds of fire. Of fire. Then it gets worse on account of the high water. Apparently it was a flood at the time.

A minister was unable to get to her to conduct a funeral service to. So they had to have a funeral service without the minister too. Not good. Tough time. Creeks too high. All right. Come hell or high water. Well, it's high water.

I can't. I can't bring it. So Ted's a juvenile delinquent whose turkey pilfering father has paid bribe money to have him released from an industrial school. I'm going to go ahead and say it now, grace. That's grace. This is the best. This is the best it ever is for him. Released from juvie to his dad's custody is the best that it's ever is ever gonna get.

Tremendous. January 31st 1907 there's another article here so it's like right after this they're following up on it and the title of this is Turner's family altogether bad. Jesus. This is a headline damning the whole family. This whole family sucks. Wow. Commonwealth files replying contempt case answers charges against juvenile court officers. Most disgraceful state of affairs described false statements alleged. So attorneys for the Commonwealth in the case of Robert Turner cited Judge Charles A. Wilson to show cause why he should not be punished for contempt for an alleged attempt to bribe officers.

So that was the original thing here, how this all started. So they accuse him now of apparently having been, this is the dad, have been involved in numerous shady transactions, quote unquote, on various occasions of having been before the court on criminal accusations The wife and daughters are alleged to be bad characters the wife and daughters Bad 12 year old girl bad character burn her up in a house put a long dress on her tell her to cook dinner I don't know what to say Holy shit. Okay, So they're also bad characters and the younger children guilty of petty thievery. Judge Wilson had ordered the younger Turner

boy taken to the industrial school as to remove him from the influence of his home. His parents are a bad influence. His siblings and parents, which has, which was regarded as of the worst is how they put it in the newspaper. House of ill repute, James, minus the repute. Where are we? We need houses of the worst, as of the worst. Those are good, you know what goes on in there. So they said that Turner's counsel had taken pains

to entertain any discriminating views when they drew their clients' response and attacked the characters of Mrs. Heyman and Mr. Flexner. Mr. Bruce answered that he had not intended such attacks in Turner's response. We didn't mean to attack them. We were just saying that they were incompetent thieves. They were awful people. They just take bribes at their jobs.

We just wanted to do all the note. Oh, Jesus. They said Benjamin F. Washer for the Commonwealth argued that the reply was pertinent to the issue because it bore directly on Turner's character and the character of the members of his family. His children they're talking about. He said further that the reply had been drawn in moderation and that every allegation it contained could be backed up by overwhelming proof.

In honoring the reply to be made as part of the record, Judge Wilson said that because of the serious charges made against the officers of the juvenile court taking bribes to release children, the reputation of the Turner family could not stand in the way of an investigation. So he's saying because the Turner family is making such a serious accusation, their character is completely in play in this hearing.

Any bad rumors or shit they've done, let's bring it out in the open because we're seeing if we can trust this guy enough to make accusations. So they said Robert Lee Page, assistant county attorney, Charles Shield, Benjamin Washer, Bernard Flexer, and Norman Goldsmith are representing the commonwealth in the case. The hearing of witnesses in this case, for which it is said that over 30 have been summoned and the hearing of arguments is set for two for which it is said that over 30 have been summoned, and the hearing of arguments is set for 2 o'clock. Okay, response here.

The complaintant of the Commonwealth of Kentucky in reply to the response filed herein by Robert Turner would present the facts to the court as these. Here we are. One, the response of Robert Turner has not been made in good faith. The purpose of filing the same was not to purge the said Turner of the contempt charge against him in circulating the report that he had been approached by officers of the juvenile court in an effort to extort money from him. So they're saying that, yeah, he went forward. This wasn't them trying to extort him.

He tried to bribe them, and it didn't work, is what't them trying to extort him. He tried to bribe them and it didn't work, is what they're trying to say. So they say the object of the response is manifestly the effort on the part of the respondent to discredit the juvenile court, disgrace its officers and prejudice its good influences with the people of the state and city. So they're saying that Johnny Cochran's saying the LAPD fucked OJ and that's wrong. So the response in every essential allegation is false. Its many and varied falsehoods were known to be such at the time the respondent signed and swore of to the pleading. More than this, the falsity of large number of statements contained in the response could easily have been ascertained from an explanation of public records,

examination of public records. Crisis is so hard to read. Look at this, turn your chair, look at this shit. It's a real light scan of this newspaper and it's fucking brutal. And it's old, so it's like those printing press, I don't know how anybody read the fucking newspaper. That printing press mashed letters together, they don't make the fucking newspaper. That print press mashed letters together.

They don't make any fucking sense. That's the other thing. Yeah, and they use different, completely different syntax and words. Weird font too. Man, yeah, weird, exactly, not a newspaper font. No investigation seems to be, have been made by those filing the response to ascertain the truth or falsity of the many serious charges contained therein. But upon the naked, unsupported word of a most notorious character. to ascertain the truth or falsity of the many serious charges contained therein, but upon

the naked unsupported word of a most notorious character, like you can't just take this bum, Turkey Bob over here, whose record and known reputation entitles him to no faith or credit, as herein specifically appears. He's known as a bum. You gonna take his word for it? That's what he is, yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm Michelle Beatle. And I'm Peter Rosenberg. Hey Peter, tell the people about our new podcast.

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and get more to the story with Wondery's top history podcasts, including American Scandal, Legacy, and Black History for Real. The response it filed assailing both the court and its officers. Plainly the proceeding on the part of the respondent has other and different motives than the legitimate objects of a proceeding in court. The assault comes in the train of a systematic crusade of vilification and abuse, which certain parties and publications have without the slightest justification or reason have been conducting. So just befouling the good name of this whole institution.

All that shit. So they go on to say all of this. Now here are the deliberate falsehoods. The respondent has knowingly falsified facts in alleging the response he was never able to learn and does not know the charges against his two sons upon which they were presented to juvenile court. So he's saying he doesn't even know what charges were against his sons.

Why are they even here? Nobody's even telling me that. Yeah, it is a willful and deliberate untruth on the part of the respondent to say he has not been at all times thoroughly conversant with every phase and feature of the proceeding through which his sons were presented in juvenile court and their case is heard. They're saying he knew exactly what the fuck they did. Okay. Period.

And now by the way, this page, Jimmy, look at this one. Here we go. What is that, handwritten? What is this? Dude, it looks like it's from fucking Egypt. It looks like it's from ancient Egypt and I have to decipher it off a fucking cave Wall, this is ridiculous So it's just hard. There's nothing else. This is the information here. It's fucking great. I love it, too. So they said

on December 4th 1906 two petitions were filed in the juvenile court I get one against Theodore Turner our guy and the against John Turner, both sons of the respondent Robert Turner. The basis of the petition was that the boys were delinquent under the law, creating the juvenile court. Both boys, or something with juvenile court, both boys were at the time of the petitions,

and for years prior thereto, notorious petty thieves. So the one- Bad seeds. For years prior there too notorious petty thieves. So the one... Bad seeds. For years prior to the one kids 15. From the beginning. Yeah. How many years could he have been here? So they are petty thieves here. In every, what is this, in every something in which they have, oh, every locality in

which they have lived for the past seven years, they have been known as the perpetrators of many offenses. They move around, just trash people that move around until the townsfolk are going to string them up and then they leave. Yeah. They take the, all of the supplies they can muster and live off of it until they're caught and then they fucking move on. Their thievery has included chickens, coal, corn, furniture, tools, and other articles easily portable.

They're like the aliens in Independence Day. Yeah, anything not nailed down. They're just collecting weird shit. They're just sucking the resources and leaving. And leaving, yeah. They said they have been under almost constant police surveillance Well, that's pretty shitty surveillance that they're getting if there's no feeling

You guys watch it and don't do anything fucking lazy bums in the latter part of November or the first part of December 1906 Mrs. Somebody complaint. I was a complainant Made that she's shit was stolen from her premises here in an what is this something officers with mr. oh my god this is oh what the fuck that's really hard to read I thought I had it down and then I'm like that's not the word I thought it was other complaints have been made against made to the police department in the juvenile court all to be attributed to Turner's children okay the petitions were therefore filed against them and a in the juvenile court, all to be attributed to Turner's children. Okay.

The petitions were therefore filed against them and a hearing in the juvenile court resulted. It was ascertained that in addition to their record in juvenile crimes, the boys were confirmed truants from school. How would they have time with all this crime? That they rarely attended school and then only to disorganize it. When they showed up it was just to fuck around and cause a disturbance. To destroy school. Hell yeah. That sounds fun.

That they were beggars of the lowest sort. Okay, that's the title of this show. Beggars of the lowest sort. That is fucking amazing. I know a kid that was just like this. We all know kids, yeah. And he ended up going to jail for murder. That's what these guys do eventually, which is funny you said that.

We'll get to that later. Okay. The beggars of the lowest sort, that their language at all times was depraved, these are children, and their morals the very worst. Both boys smoked, chewed, and prowled the streets at night. Oh, my kind of guy.

This sounds like a, when I was 15, this is the life I wanted to live. Yeah, I love them. This sounds great. Yeah, smoking and chewing and prowling the streets at night, never going to school and then just going into fuck things up. This sounds like a lot of fun for a 15-year-old. Hell yeah. This is great, but not good for your future.

No, no, this'll fuck everything up. This'll fuck it all up. The home conditions of the boys, the character of their father and mother, their mother's not just some nice, you know. She's a shitbag too. Shriveling flower in the corner. She's just as much into this.

The daughters too. Whores and thieves of the whole lot of them. The conduct of their sisters were also learned to be the very worst. Yeah. All of them. Record of the children, it says now. The family of Robert Turner consisted of nine children.

See, it's nine, 10, 11. Yep, yep. Varying. Theodore and John were the elder boys. I guess he's the oldest, Ted, our guy. And Susie, the elder girls. These girls, although still children of tender years, were and are notorious prostitutes.

Their children. Notorious, Jimmy. Not just, they turn a trick and they forced their daughters to turn a trick to put food on the table once in a while notorious prostitutes oh her you know 12 year olds a total whore yeah you could get her you could get her anybody with two bits five yeah five five and seven or that we're doing dead wood prices So I wonder what all three costs that's what Nick go to change or whatever his name was what asked

What all three So yeah, no notorious prostitutes, even though they're children of tender years How about get them away from their abusive pimp parents and fucking help these kids. Also teach them their ABCs because I'm sure they don't read. Probably not. I don't know how you'd have time when there's a dick in your face. It's difficult to read a book. Notorious prostitutes having been- Trying to read if you give a mouse a cookie, excuse me. Jesus. Love it.

Having been discovered frequently in houses of ill repute and also, so brothels, bordellos, also in other places in illicit intercourse with boys and men. Golly. No, they catch children fucking and they're like, get over here, you little skank. Why are men having sex with 12 year olds? Let's talk about that for a minute. Why are we arresting her? Yeah, guys like I paid good money to have sex with this child What what are we talking about? All the girls are also habitual truants from school and were beggars like the younger boys

Little begging yeah selling chicklets on the street and shit like. And their ass. And their ass, whatever you want. What do you want, chicklets, my ass? It's all for sale. Chicklets are ass. Chicklets are ass. And we can laugh at this

because all these people will be long dead no matter what. Certainly, and this is the lifestyle that, can you, oh, the history of America is befouled and disgusted it's all gross it's absolutely all disgusting and selling that selling children is the is the oldest form of commerce oh god damn it whenever there's like pictures of like you know turn of the century times and they show old pictures look on any social media there'll be all these comments or those are the good old days

when people had class no they didn they didn't. Like 3% of the people dressed real nice and took pictures. Everybody else fucked children for money. That's what everyone else was doing and stole chickens and it was just filthy and they died when they were 27 from a curable disease and the whole thing's a mess. Yeah. Jeez, Al Capone was the most powerful organized crime member in the country and he died of syphilis. Think about that. In his, it went from his dick to his brain. Yes, that's how little control we had over anything back then.

Tell me this shit was better. There's girls in trouble. The man was public enemy number one. That's where the phrase came from. And he was locked into Alcatraz. They let him out because the syphilis was killing him. Yeah. You're too fucked up for here. Oh, the language of the girls was also so indecent that reputable witnesses hesitated to repeat it. Fill your gutter mouths. Imagine a 12 year old saying the worst thing you've ever heard. Yeah, these girls are like Trixie from the gem on Deadwood, all of them.

Way worse. Worse. One of the two elder girls, Susie, has been the mother of a bastard child. Of course she has. And the prosecuting witness is a bastard proceeding heretofore pending in court. The prosecuting witness is a bastard proceeding heretofore, pending in court. The prosecuting witness is a bastard proceeding heretofore. Oh, I guess they're having a hearing over that. Pending in court.

The witness is a bastard too? Pending in court. The prosecuting witness in a bastard proceeding heretofore. Oh, I guess she is suing a guy for making her child a bastard and not taking care of it. I got it. Okay, that's Hard to figure out the remaining girls of the Turner family are being raised in the ways of their two sisters Just mentioned and are already notorious in their locality for many Offendings against indecent or against decency and morality

Both the younger boys and girls were permitted by the parents to run about the streets entirely naked. What? And such conduct only stopped upon protest of the neighbors. Just put fucking pants on. Children's dicks. Yeah. Yeah.

Put fucking pants on. Yeah. All your 11 imagine 11 naked kids running around all the time. That's creepy If I can't do it y'all can't yeah, this is ridiculous, but they'd be like you can just give her a dollar and you know Fuck it after the filing of the petitions against Theodore and John Turner Processes issued and the boys were regularly brought into the court for the hearing. The respondent Robert Turner was notified at the time the boys were taken into custody, appeared the same day at the probation office of the juvenile court and had the children paroled to him. On December 7th, 1906, the juvenile court on its regular session considered fully

the cases of Theodore and John Turner with all the circumstances and conditions before it, decided that both boys were delinquent and that the interests and welfare of both dictated that they should be taken from the control of their father and placed for better education and training in the Louisville Industrial School of Reform." For once I agree. It's never good to like throw children in a reform school or all, but this is their parents? Fucking, you say they're just going to learn things from bad kids in there.

They don't know as much as their father probably, so he'll be teaching those kids. That's fucking crazy. They might know a little bit more than him, Christ. Yeah, that's exactly. The respondent Robert Turner was in court throughout the entire hearing of the cases of Theodore and John Turner, participated in the proceedings and understood fully every step taken and every order entered. So they're saying he lied when he wrote an affidavit saying that he didn't know what

the charges were against the kids because he was at like three hearings. That knowledge he continued to possess at the time he swore the falsehoods of his response. So yeah, so anyway, they were, they said that they released Ted because he was either 16 or 17, and he was aged out of this whole thing because they said he was 17, I guess, and that made it easier. So John Turner, under the court of the juvenile, or under the order of juvenile court,

was taken to the industrial school where he still remains. Wow. And it is the release of this boy and the record and home surroundings as an appearance that the respondent attempts to, so he's trying to get them out and they're saying his house is too fucked up,

he can't have his kid. Right, these are not for you. You've ruined so many. Why do you think you can just take these back? And have them do all the same shit? If we hold them, at least they're not stealing everybody's chickens. Exactly.

So Robert Turner's earlier something, earlier career, this is one of those really bad pages, was spent in Boyle and Jessamine, something from the former of which he placed, had to escape criminal indictment and now pleading in the Boyle court. So he's going from place to place running from cases is what they're saying basically. He had previously been indicted, convicted and contained in the state penitentiary.

After leaving the Boyle County, Turner located for a short time in Jeffersonville, Indiana, and from that place he moved six or seven, or he moved to this area some seven or eight years ago to Louisville. He has during his residence in the city occupied a number of homes moving with great frequency from one locality to the other. They're saying he is notorious in every portion of the area, every place he's lived. They said that, where is this? Jesus, this is hard to read. Oh, there was a tax bill he fucked up. He has made a practice of chicken stealing and has

been barred from saloons, all of them. Oh, oh. Not allowed in anymore. From which he has sought to frequent on account of stealing liquor. He's such a thief, he goes to bars and tries to steal liquor. Outstanding. Wow. He has admitted to numerous parties that he should, that he could quote skin people at cards and to offers he made the proposition a skin game, he started with himself as the chief operator. He has attempted to start illicit whiskey stills, admitting that he was very adept in the manufacture of moonshine goods.

Moonshine goods. Turner has therefore heretofore been connected with attempts to bribe public officers. He sought to stop a criminal proceeding in the court of some lawyer here, I can't know, constable, $15 to supra... He tried to bribe somebody else too. He offered police officers money in an attempt to release John Turner and in every case he has been rebuked. Robert Turner has been in Louisville for about eight years

and the largest part of that entire time has been spent in crime. None of his family has during that time worked. Nobody's worked in eight years. Wow. Nobody. How do you, that's just leaving then obviously. Yeah, he thieves to be able to get into a place

and then doesn't pay the rent till he gets kicked out. Eight years. Eight years of that. That is some kind of life. The residents of several localities where he has lived wonder at his means of sustenance and that of his family. How do you feed 11 kids on no job? During the excitement incident, okay,

to the murder of Mrs. John Fally, Robert Turner became conspicuous in an attempt to swear away the life of an innocent man, whom he conspired to convict of the murder for the purpose of obtaining the reward offered by the governor. He tried to frame a man for murder so he could get a reward for the fucking thing. That is awesome. Wow. Turner and his brother-in-law, one, Lax it looks like his name is, okay, reported to the police that they could and would discover the murderer if reward was paid to them in full.

Accordingly, they charged a certain Negro with having committed the crime. Certain. Jesus Christ. After the investigation, the falsity of the charge was ascertained and Lacks confessed to the police that the whole matter was a quote job framed up by Robert Turner. The time of Robert Turner is spent largely in saloons and low gambling houses, not even good ones. He's a frequent visitor to dives frequented by Negroes. No, he's not hanging out with black people, is he? Jesus. He's a drunkard of the worst kind and when drunk is a brawler always looking for trouble. He just

sounds like a wonderful man. When he's sober he's scheming, when he's drunk he's fighting. He's looking for shit. There's no one in the Commonwealth of Kentucky more unfit to have custody and raising of children than Robert Turner, the perpetrator of every crime, the patron of every vice. That is what the prosecutor said. Then the next article or the next part of their prosecution's case is unspeakable depravity is the title. Unspeakable.

Unspeakable. So let's speak of them. Let's say it. The home surroundings of the Turner family have been at all times and now are fatal to the development of every worthy trait in children. The two or three rooms tenanted by the family with 11 kids, Jesus. Holy shit, are choked with dirt and filth of every kind. No effort is made to preserve any of the decencies of family life.

The girls dress and undress in plain view of other members of the household and the public. Yeah, because it's for sale. He's got like a store window is what that is. Gross. On several occasions the neighbors have protested against the girls using windows on public highways for purposes calling for the completest privacy. They're on public highways in front of them displaying themselves. Like fucking...

Like red light district. Yeah. Red light district shit. Jesus. Yeah. Several members. How fucked up is that? Like a carvana.

Yeah. Just in a big fucking, in a big plastic tube. Like vending machine of teenage vagina. That's disgusting. Several members of the family employ the floors of the home for purposes not to be mentioned in this reply. In other words, they're fucking all over the floors. Oh, they're like mice.

Gross. They live like mice. The visitors at the house consist to a large extent of disreputable women, thieves, disreputable and immoral persons, including Negroes of the lowest sort. Of the lowest sort. Of the lowest sort! Why bring it? Well, I don't know. It is known throughout the neighborhood where Turner lived that one of his daughters kept

company with a Negro and that she was ejected from a Negro dance hall because of bad conduct. She was beneath them. Beneath the lowest sort of Negro, as they put it. This is wild. What a thing to write. What a fucking crazy shit. And as illustrating the behavior of Mrs. Turner, the wife of the respondent and mother of the children herein referred to,

mention is made of the fact that she enters public bar rooms and drinks whiskey there. Oh, oh, my God. Not not whiskey in a bar. Mention is made of the fact that she enters public bar rooms and drinks whiskey there. Oh my God, not not whiskey in a bar. Is that what you drink there? Yeah. But respectable women don't go to saloons back in the day is the thing here. That on one occasion, she borrowed from the proprietor of a neighborhood neighboring saloon, two dollars and a half on the plea that her children were starving and her husband sick.

Please, sir, ma'am, $2.50. So I can feed my family and cure my husband. Yeah. You get a lot done for a little money back then, I'll say that. $2.50. $2.50, you could fucking get it all done. These statements were found to be untrue and the money was afterward employed for drink and dissipation.

And dissipation, yeah,. Yes, it says the home surroundings of the respondent are depraved. The home life demoralized and the entire atmosphere calculated to develop in children those tendencies which make criminals. They found the perfect breeding ground for criminals, you know, like they find soil that plants grow well in or like the perfect habitat for an animal This is the perfect habitat for criminal growing right here to grow a criminal grow a crop of criminals. That's nice Like those those little pellets you used to buy at the grocery store that you drop in water and it makes a little foam Dino. Oh, those are great. Yeah, let's fucking yeah, there's like a Shrinky Dink with reverse

sea monkeys Yeah, this fucking, yeah, like a shrinky dink, but in reverse. Sea monkeys. No more unfit or improper place for the training and education of the young could be found than the Turner home. The literally ground zero, worst place you could fucking raise a child. The respondent willfully and deliberately stated a further untruth in the allegation of his response to the effect that Mrs. Kate Hyman introduced the respondent to a man who she stated was the county attorney of Jefferson County, when in fact the man was not the county attorney. The truth, as exhibited by the affidavit of Bernard Flexner Esquire, is as follows.

The respondent Robert Turner, after the commitment of John Turner to the School of Reform, came to the probation office of the juvenile court for the purpose of attempting the release of his son. He was accompanied by his attorney, Mr. Tate, and now associated with Colonel Bennett H. Young, Mr. Tate was personally acquainted with both Mr. Bingham and the county attorney, or Mr.

Bingham, the county attorney, and Mr. Flexner, chairman of the board of visitation of the juvenile court. Or vilification? I don't know. I can't read it, so I don't know. While Turner and his attorney were in the probation office, Mr. Flexner came in and was introduced to Turner as a gentleman interested in the juvenile court, the chairman of the board of visitation and if Turner had objection to the case of John might be discussed in Flexner's presence.

Turner once approved of Mr. Flexner being conferred with and a brief discussion of the case resulted. At the conclusion, Turner was told that the matter would be brought to the attention of Judge Wilson and blah, blah, blah. So they're saying he came in, tried to get his son released through normal means, and then he said that he bribed people. Okay. And he's trying to get the whole thing dismissed based on the fact that he's bribing people. It's another scam that he does. Yeah.

So they go on to say that, yeah, they talk about the engaged in conversation and I guess he was trying to bribe them. This was the entire connection of the Forsting, what is that? Oh, I don't even, I can't read it. It's all fucking blotted out with Turner in the case of his son. So, okay, Robert Turner here. I don't know what the result of that was, by the way, that whole thing, but that's, I don't know what the result of the case was the way that whole thing, but that's I don't know what the result of the case was. Right. That's what they're involved in.

That's what they're involved in. That's the table set of who these people are. Okay. He grows up. Children out of jail. Yeah, he grows up in a brothel. That's not as clean as a brothel. Right.

Where the young sisters fucking present their wares in the windows on the highways to get customers. And obviously there's Negroes of the lowest sort all about. What a time and place. What a time and place. His father did several prison terms. Later on he'll be convicted in 1912 for stealing chickens and he's sentenced to one to eight years in prison his father One to one to how many one to eight which is a big window

That would have been even worse even bigger window eight on chicken theft that's a Well, we'll explain it with this article here from the Lexington Herald leader from January 5th 1912 Title is in giant bold fucking capital letters chicken thief Yeah, Bob Turner formerly of Mercer County steals eight years worth of fouls is what it says Oh, he's done it for years. Well, he's he got eight years. So saying so it was Chickens, I think is what they're getting that he was sentenced got eight years, they're saying. So it was eight years worth of chickens, I think is what they're getting at.

He was sentenced to eight years in the penitentiary in Jeffersonville. He's been doing it for way longer than eight years. Probably. In Indiana last week for stealing a lot of turkeys and chickens. I don't know if that's a whole lot in the city. Is it a measurement, or are they just saying,

I don't know, it's a lot? Oh, buts, and I'm wondering. Yeah, is this like a full city lot of chickens? We're not sure how many particularly, but it was definitely a lot. Turkeys and chickens. On one occasion when Turner lived in Harrodsburg, Harrodsburg, I've never heard of that place, he, Abe Maples and James Neakirk went up to Dry Branch Pike with two wagons in the broad daylight, visited the poultry yards of several farmers and got several hundred chickens.

Oh boy. That's not just stealing a chicken for dinner. That's hundreds. They were arrested but in court the wives of the three men with 12 or 15 half-clad children presented such a pitiful sight that they were released with the understanding they leave the county. They just said, just get the fuck out of here. Take your ragtag rickets and scurvy laden children the fuck out of our goddamn county.

This is pathetic. Wow. So that was the, how that he got out of that shit. They'd look pathetic and they would, you could bring all these kids in there. They obeyed the mandate of the court, but later Turner came back and stole a bunch of hogs from Major Castleman at Shaker Town and drove them away in daytime. Inquiry for the missing hogs elicited the information that Turner had been seen driving hogs near Salvisa about 20 miles away. He was overtaken and the hogs he was

driving proved to be the ones that he had stolen from Major Castleman. Not gonna be a coint, they're probably not his hogs. If you see this guy with animals, he stole them. Not his, yeah. No. For this Turner was sent to the penitentiary but a kind-hearted governor turned him loose on a long-suffering public. He got like pardoned. Right. Turner and his gang are believed to have been the ones who murdered Mr. Castle, one of the wealthiest farmers in Jessamine County,

who went out in the yard one night to investigate a noise in his hen house and was shot down. So these people will murder you. No kidding. Also, this is a lot, man. After being sentenced to Jeffersonville last week, Turner created a sensation, fuck that's hard to read, goddamn it, by ramming his head against a post as if trying to commit suicide. Holy. So he got sentenced to this time, got in jail,

and tried to bash his head in and commit suicide. Right. Wow. His wife. Nobody's done that recently, right? I've never heard of that as a way to commit suicide. Destroyed your own doll. Ah, just bashing your head into something till you die? That seems like a lot. I've heard of people with mental illness doing it in prison to get attention to be able to get to the medical shit or whatever, but not like just, I'm gonna kill myself this way. In an attempt to end this sentence.

It's a bad plan as if committing suicide his wife and children Who were present added to the excitement by screaming at the top of their voices? When he got sentenced after moving from this place to Louisville Turner was arrested for chicken stealing and while in charge of an officer While in charge of an officer slashed his throat in a presented effort to slay himself. Wow. Yeah, he was in custody and tried to slash his throat. Yeah. Yeah. He had been in trouble a score of times and nearly every instance it was a case of chicken stealing. He fucking loves it. Right under this, by the way, in other news, it says, quote, girls disappear by the hundreds. Hundreds?

That seems like a lot. Amazing number of baffling cases reported to Gotham police in 1911. Gotham? New York, yeah. That was a real place? No, they just call New York Gotham always. That's why.

Oh, really? Yeah, that's why Batman they called the city Gotham. Yeah, they called New York Gotham City in the 1800s. I thought DC just made that shit up. No, no. That's what we just had. I just had this conversation yesterday with somebody where they... Really?

Yeah. Isn't that weird? That's fucking... That's funny. So during the year 1911 here, the New York police were called to the aid of families from which some members had disappeared exactly 3500 times. And during the same time approximately a thousand women, most of them young girls ranging in age from 14 to 20, have utterly disappeared.

Yeah, what would happen? It's weird, right? And we go, serial killers, a modern day phenomenon. No, they're not. There are people who are doing this for a long time. From Wondry, I'm Indra Varma and this is The Spy Who. This season we open the file on Oleg Penkovsky, the spy who defused the missile crisis.

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Follow the Spy Who on the Wondry app or wherever you listen to podcasts or you can binge the full season of the Spy Who defused the missile crisis early and at free with Wondry Plus. Nor does the number cover all the young women who drop out of the world on their own Nor does the number cover all the young women who drop out of the world on their own acquaintances suddenly. The police say that not more than half of the actual disappearances are formally reported. During 1911, a police official commented on the figures, quote, we have been confronted with hundreds of cases similar in every degree to that of Dorothy Arnold. Many other cases are just as baffling as hers.

The young girls left absolutely no trace behind, they made no preparations for departure, and few have since been heard from. Yes, they've been murdered and thrown in a river. That's why. They've been raped and murdered, man. That's how it goes. Maybe fucking pulled apart. You don't know. It could be way worse than just that. Who knows? Or sold to like some Western frontier brothel, you know? I have no fucking idea. So we maintain a bureau of missing persons,

especially to carry on the work of search. Our investigations show that there are four reasons which cover most of the disappearances. First, severe home restraint, too strict. Too strict around here, I'm out. Second, extreme poverty. Well, yeah, you're just going to try to find food. Third, theatrical aspirations. That's the third...

That's the third leading cause of a young woman to disappear. They want to be an actress. Too strict, extreme poverty, I need the theater. I must dance! Those are the only three reasons why girls run away. Either I'm tired of you telling me what to do, I'm tired of not having any food, or Broadway is calling. Broadway is calling. Yeah, because this is like movies just started and there's no, you know, this is fucking

crazy. Cast and call. Yep, I gotta get to Broadway. I gotta call back, I gotta go. How fucking bonkers is that? That's too funny. I got a call back. I gotta go How fucking bonkers is that that's it? Honey and the poverty part is probably lending towards family sold or two You know that also yes that happened a lot if you live if you watch deadwood every single one of the prostitutes

Who's talked to every one of them is like when posh sold me to you, right? When I was 12 like that's how they all got there They were poor mom died couldn't take care of him, get out of here. And the fourth reason, lured away. Okay, that's the fourth. I'll put it higher. None of those say taken by fucking sex murderers. Because that's a lot, there's a fifth fucking category. Kidnapped by predator.

Fifth estate, so wow. So also, Dad had been, also he'd admitted he'd been jailed once before for using intoxicants. When he was, by the way, trying to cut his own throat while in police custody, was with a piece of tin. Like a top of a can? Like a top of a can. He found a piece of tin, grabbed it and started slashing at his throat.

Good lord. Because he's being arrested for chicken stealing and drinking. I'll kill myself over this. Yeah, I could see if you killed 14 women and you were like, I'm going away forever, they're going to hang me. So he, this is the article, cuts his throat while under arrest here. After having been arrested for stealing chickens from John Pilkington, Robert Turner, living on the Newton Pike, finally an article I can fucking see and read, near Yellam in

town, attempted to kill himself on Thursday afternoon but was prevented from doing so by County Detective William Jenkins, the arresting officer. Captain Jenkins had learned Turner early in the day and had committed him to the county jail on the charge of stealing chickens from Pilkington, who resides on the stone road near the right of way at whatever the fuck this railroad company is. Later, Captain Jenkins took the prisoner to Pilkington residence for a more complete identification. Is this the asshole?

I guess. Captain Jenkins left the prisoner with Mr. Pilkington and walked a short distance away and talked to some section men. Imagine if that happened now. You took a criminal in to be identified by the complaining party. He's not restrained in any way and the cop just walks away to chit chat with other people, leaving the criminal and the fucking victim who just identified him in the crime. Standing right next to each other.

Wow, quite a one-way mirror lineup, right? What the fuck? So that's fucking funny. And rather than attacking the guy, though, he attacked him. When the officer returned, Turner asked what they had said. Captain Jenkins replied, they say you are undoubtedly the man who stole the chickens. Turner then pulled something out of his pocket

and slashed his throat, which bled profusely. The officer grabbed Turner and found that the weapon used was a piece of tin. Turner struggled to release himself in the act and in the act, Captain Jenkins received a minor cut on the hand. The officer took the prisoner to the county jail where he was, wound was dressed and all that kind of shit there and more people have been arrested. They said that there's a fifth man now, a chicken stealing ring essentially, has been arrested on the charge of stealing fouls in the last few days. He's sentenced to prison so we know he's there for one to eight years but he's pardoned again. He must know the governor or like you know the

governor must like frequent one of his daughters or something. I don't know. Or, or somebody just doesn't see chicken theft as the penalty deserved that it's getting. Yeah, I guess maybe it was a political issue back in the day. But at the same time, like, how the fuck does a lowly scumbag chicken thief get his case in front of the governor to where they would give a shit? You know what I mean?

The governor's pardon like 3% of people based on injustice and 97% based on I know that guy. You know what I mean? That's what presidents and fucking governors, that's what they do. So it's very hard to get a case in front of them for true injustice of someone they don't know. Then he was arrested again for stealing chickens right after that. Unbelievable.

The government has to be pissed about that. So 1916 now, Bob Turner, formerly of Boyle County, still at his old game of stealing chickens, fowls. Robert Turner, age 50, was arrested at noon today by William White, who is a sheriff's deputy, and Edward Morgan on a charge of stealing chickens. Jesus Christ. Some did that in the Pave. Stealing? Why chickens? He's obsessed with chickens. Well, I mean, it's the bottom rung. It's like stealing water or electricity.

But he's stealing them to sell them though. Is he really? He's not stealing them to eat them? Well, he stole truckloads. They stole hundreds of them the one time. Yeah, you can't want to raise those. But here he was identified by John Ray as the man who stole 10 fowls from the yard of Mrs. John Clugston. so he's just going to someone's yard rounding up their ten chickens and stealing them But how do you steal ten? I don't know what's wrong one at a time. I believe Handfuls of feet and running away How you would do that maybe two at a time if you're real good, but otherwise got a real big bag I don't know. Yeah, maybe that's it.

Big sack is the key. I don't know, if you put a bunch of chickens in a sack together, they'll kill each other, I think, probably. That's loud. Yeah. You wouldn't be able to contain that. No. It'd be like a Heathcliff fight.

It would be horrible. So, Friday afternoon, John Ray, who lives a mile from the city limits on the Winchester Road, observed a suspicious-looking man with two sacks hung on his back. There you go. It is. with two sacks hung on his back. There you go. It is. It's sacks of chickens. Sacks of chickens peering over into his backyard. Any chickens to steal in there?

He's grabbing them in a bag. By the bag load. He doesn't sell them by the bucket. He sells them by the burlap sackful. Two sacks of chickens. As he approached, the man fled and Ray gave chase. He was feared by or heard by Matt Jeter, Derek's grandfather, and Foster Helm who joined in. Jeter on horseback and Helm on foot through the cornfield. Being pursued too closely, Turner dropped the sack containing the chickens and made

good his escape. He tried to get away with the chickens at first. Nine of the fowls were dead. Yes, because they killed each other in the fucking goddamn sack. Or because you were running with those slung over your back and they're just bouncing off your back. Bouncing all around. Just beating them to death on your back. If they were alive they would have been pecking you in the back through the bag, probably. They were taken back to the home of John Clugston

and identified as her chickens, her dead chickens. And then buried. Yeah. Deputy Sheriff made into dinner. Said, well, I know what we're having tonight. Deputy Sheriff Ben Freckman was immediately notified and went to work on the case of capturing Turner today on Georgetown Street. When seen by a leader reporter that afternoon, Turner denied all knowledge of the alleged

theft, saying that he was practically a dead man, as he'd been given about three months to live by the doctors, and that if he was guilty, he would admit it. So before the cops catch up to him, the paper hears that they're looking for him, so they find him, and they're like, what of this? And he's like, listen, I didn't do it,

I'm gonna croak soon, trust me, if I was a criminal, I'd tell you. He showed the reporter a large cavity on the right side of his head behind the ear, which he said had been made by an operation for cancer a short time ago. They drilled my head. Yeah, a 1912 brain cancer surgery. That had to be safe. It's still open? I guess he's got a big hole. They didn't fill it back in with anything. It was stated at the sheriff's office that Turner

is an old offender at chicken stealing. It's said that he'd been in the penitentiary for the same offense. So he ends up pleading ignorance to the crime at this point, to the reporter, saying he had cancer. Meanwhile, that's Dad. Ted, on the other hand, has taken to baseball. Really? By the way, this is crime in sports, remember? Right, right. He made his professional debut pitching for the Lexington Colts

of the Bluegrass League in 1912. He's a pitcher. He's a pitcher. Don't have stats for the Bluegrass League of 1912. No. But he lost. His dad has a hole in his head, James. a pitcher. Don't have stats for the Bluegrass League of 1912. No. But he lost. His dad has a hole in his head, James.

No, we don't have stats. No, we don't have that. No wood putty or at least a cork. Nothing. He's got a hole in his head. All of his little sisters are prostitutes. We don't have stats. We don't know what he does.

We don't know. But he did lose a five to four game to Paris, whatever team that is, August 3rd, I think, despite playing well. The locals could not hit Turner very successfully, but their hits came at the time when they were most needed. That's what the newspaper, the Bourbon News of Paris reported. First through sixth inning, it was,

but seventh, eighth, and ninth, he was beating them. So here's a little bit of baseball. In 1913, he's on the Columbus Senators, a double A team apparently, and some people on this team. Old Dixie Davis, we all know of old Dixie Davis. Usually a Skeeter Shelton we got. That's good. Nobody goes by their real name. No, these old timey teams had so many good names. King Cole was on the team, who then had a son named Nat. Yeah, old King Cole was on the team. Who then had a son named Nat. Yeah, old King Cole was on the team.

I would call him old King Cole. Old King Cole had a 146 batting average. So not bad. That's terrible. That is very bad. The guy leaving the team. Well he's a crooner, James. He's not much of a ball player.

What do you want from the guy? Not much of a ball player. This is his dad though. Oh yeah. He's got crooner seed. His son's got a great Christmas album Oh, that's gonna be for years and years and years Make fucking attractive daughters who win Miss America's no that wasn't him no

Golden do anything Natalie Cole is a singer, but she wasn't this America The other one drowned off a boat by probably Christopher walking and his friend. Yes, I think so. No, that's a different totally dad That only what everybody Natalie's let's mix them all up let's just make up shit and then we'll Do an episode of made-up create our own history of Hollywood and famous people in their demise We can fucking do it this year Ted Turner Ted Turner was, he's only 21 years old, he was two and one as a pitcher in 14 games. I think he's a reliever here. King Cole, by the way, 23 and 11,

so he doesn't have to hit. Good for him. Oh shit, he's a pitcher? Yeah, King Cole's a pitcher. That's why he doesn't have a good batting average. Yeah, he's slinging crooner seed. In 1914, the Springfield Reapers, which is a great name. It's terrific. That is great, man, of the Central League. I don't know what

like, it's double A, triple A, it says classification B. I don't know what that is. B team. B team here. Another, we got Dick Donovan, that's a kind of a fun name otherwise we have not a lot of fun names here a lot of Franks and Joes and Williams and Georges a lot of Billy's yeah Bill Keene there he is an Otto kind of a German guy in there sure sure not bad Ted Turner this year has 13 wins and 16 losses and 223 innings pitched and gives up 218 hits in that. So I mean not great, not terrible one of those. He spent three years playing in Ohio and during this time he wins what is this year he's 13 and 16 and has a looks like about a four, four something ERA, 479 possible ERA here.

But he also has to have an off season. This guy, what's he gonna do? I don't know how this guy ever plays baseball because he should always be in jail. Like that's how this works. So Lexington Herald leader again, December 26th, 1914. So Christmas, arrested for shooting is the headline. Theodore Turner, who shot Thomas Sloan in the leg, arrested for shooting a guy, not

just shooting a gun off in town, in a row in JD Stamper's saloon in Forest Hill, was arrested by patrolman Henry yesterday morning and locked up. Turner said that Sloan was creating a disturbance in the saloon. So I fixed it. And drew a gun pointing it at several of the men in the place. Quote, when he pulled it on me, I shot him, said Turner. Sloan was shot in the leg and is not seriously hurt. He was taken to the hospital. So self-defense is what he's saying right below that, by the way, get very excited because the pigeon show is coming to Lexington.

Everybody. Yep. IJ IJ, Lexington's pigeon fancier, that means he fucks them in my book, is making an interesting display of some of his finest birds in the Phoenix Hotel store room on Main Street. Come down to the store room. Come look at pigeons? Yeah, Mr. Engle is also showing bantam poultry, which is again coming in favor as pets for children. I don't even know what that is. Just novelty, like decorative chickens?

Definitely, these are fancy chickens, you don't need them. Toy chickens? February 17th, 1915, so before the next season, the Turner-Sloan case was dismissed, or disposed of in police court at least temporarily yesterday by filing them away with leave. Theodore Turner charged with shooting Thomas Sloan and Sloan had a double charge by the way of carrying a pistol and a blackjack. Oh he was a troublemaker. This is a bad man

yeah. The trouble happened Christmas week and the cases have been passed two or three times because of the conditions of Sloan Who was forced to go to hospital to recuperate? William Bush charged with housebreaking by entering the Florida fruit store on North limestone street and stealing two dollars from the cash drawer Was transferred to the circuit court by the way. That's also a From this another one here. this is right from the newspaper, quote, the most amusing case on the docket was that of the breach of the peace against Mary Carr, who had been arrested on a warrant sworn by Ed Graves, a Negro, who charged her with throwing

a brick at him. The woman said that she had thrown the brick and that she did mean to hit him too. Well, that's a hate crime. All right. Yeah, that would be. had thrown the brick and that she did mean to hit him too. She explained her temper toward Graves by saying that he had thrown a spell on her by casting a quote who do powder around her. So she threw a brick at him. The woman was dismissed on the charge with a warning not to do it again.

What the fuck is going on? She was not thought to be mentally right is what it says. Holy fucking shit. The lady said he was doing hoodoo. I mean we can dismiss this right? Hoodoo powder. There was powder. Hoodoo powder.

You know how that goes. And right under that's an ad for the sales, Jimmy. Are you a little thirsty here? I see you got a soda over here. I'm always thirsty. I drink constantly. You know how that goes. And right under that's an ad for the sales, Jimmy. You feel thirsty here? I see you got a soda over here. I'm always thirsty. I drink constant. You grab the soda.

Well, have you tried drinking Roxacola? R-O-X-A-K-O-L-A? Roxacola. Rocks of pop, sweet beet drops. It says under it, in quotes, more than wet. I don't know what that means. That sounds slippery, man. That sounds nasty, but I don't know what that means. That sounds slippery, man. That sounds nasty, but I don't wanna drink that shit.

Okay, does 1915 Columbus Senators of AA here. He is on the team, any interesting player names? Nope, we got Skeeter again. Just Skeeter and Dixie and old Eddie Bacon. Oh, Bugs Bennett, there we go. Bugs. Bugs. Bugs Bennett, there we go. Bugs. Bugs. We gotta go back to that time, man.

That's something that can certainly come back is people having fun, stupid nicknames. Yeah, Bugs. There's no guys named Dixie and Bugs anymore. That's what we need. That's good shit right there. Ted was only 0-1 here in six games, so I don't know what the hell's going on with Ted.

He's not pitching very much, not doing too much. His son is born in 1916. His son is born and Elmer, that's little Elmer there. He got an Elmer. To Theodore and his wife I guess. Mrs. Theodore H. Turner. She doesn't even get a name. Spent hours pushing this kid out of her fucking vag and doesn't even get her name in the paper. Theodore Turner and some gash. Some fucking gash over here with fucking, I don't know what to do. Theodore Turner and his kid's doorway to the world. Yeah.

Theodore Turner and some prostitute he married more than likely. So 1916 Evansville Evaas. EVAS. That's the team? That's the team name of the Central League. The manager's name is Punch Knoll. That's a good name. They're in Evansville, Indiana, this team obviously. Anybody? Oh, Oak Henning. There's no guy's name Oak anymore. No. Oh, Punch also plays. Oh, is that right? Punch is a player coach Manager, I like it like William Peterson in that fucking 80s baseball movie. Yeah, he's that Jake Herman Frank Larry Otherwise nobody fun. That's not fun Ted this year 21 and 16 with a 232 ERA and 43 games. Pitched almost, he threw 294 innings.

Jesus! Which is like three years worth nowadays. They don't let a pitcher go to even 200 anymore. That's crazy. That's so much pitching. Yeah, he did great. One of those wins was a no-hitter that was covered in Kentucky newspapers and all of that. The fun part is though, he's on the lamb. Oh he's running. So if you're on the lamb you shouldn't do things that are good enough to be put in the newspaper because guess what happens? You can't be on the lamb throwing no hitters. Yeah if you got he should have just gave up one hit on purpose just to fucking not be in the paper and it says here Lexington Herald leader Turner pitches no-hit game and this gave him away to officers.

Than they knew. Yep. A no-hit game pitched for the Evansville Central League Baseball Club gave pitcher Theodore Turner so much prominence the other day that his whereabouts became known to Deputy Sheriff Ben Freckman. Telegraphic. Oh my god. Telegraphic advices to the police at Evansville resulted in the arrest of Pitcher Turner on a warrant charging robbery. He's wanted for robbery. The charge grew out of an indictment returned by the Fayette County

grand jury on April 14th alleging that Turner, in company with Charles White, robbed Charles Gilbert of a watch, a stick pin, and some money somewhere on Dewey's street. Just straight mugging people. Street robberies. Pitching no hitters. Street robbing folks. Pulling up street robberies.

This is fucking insanity. So the bench warrant had been in the hands of Deputy Sheriff Freakman for service ever since, but Turner could not be located. The newspaper report of a no-hit game pitched by Turner fell under the eye of Deputy Sheriff Freakman, and the instructions were transmitted to the Evansville police at once. A telephone message was received Sunday by Sheriff Bradley that Turner was under arrest and awaiting an officer from Lexington. Deputy Sheriff William White will leave Tuesday morning for Evansville and bring Turner back from Lexington. Deputy Sheriff William White will leave Tuesday morning

for Evansville and bring Turner back to face trial. Holy shit. And he's splitting the booty. He's splitting the reward three ways. Yeah. That's crazy. For street muggings. This is fucking asinine. There's no money in that. No. So it says on April 19th, 1916, Turner must stand trial at Lexington. So yeah, they

decide that he's going to stand trial on an indictment of robbery returned by the Fayette County grand jury, so they indicted him. Turner is a well-known baseball player in the Bluegrass and Central Leagues and the American Association, is charged with complicity with Charles White, now lodged in the jail. Gilbert said he lost a good watch, a diamond pin, and some money. That's what they took. My favorite watch. My good watch. Yeah, and this is the day when like the local baseball team wasn't like a bunch of no, but people knew who they were. They were like, there's a lot, hundreds and hundreds of leagues and teams all throughout the country and they

were a big deal. That goes all the way up through the sixties where there's a lot of small town teams that like, you know, the dairy will sponsor a team like League of their own and that everyone comes and watches. It's like a big deal. So this is before the minor leagues too. So these are this is essentially the minor leagues. So yeah, he's going to be held over there.

By the way, when he gets out of all this, he should really take up this next ad Jimmy underneath it. It says get it oxy tonic Oxy stash tonic the body cleaner. Oh, it's oxy clean for your lungs Yeah, the germicide for the stomach liver and bowels to clean shit out It says the big appetite producer. Yeah, you clean all your shit out. You need to eat more You hungry sure fifty cents and a dollar get away from that tired feeling It says the big appetite producer. Yeah, you clean all your shit out and you need to eat more. Yeah, that'll make you hungry, sure. 50 cents and a dollar. Get away from that tired feeling.

Everybody was so concerned with shitting back then. Truly, yeah. Medical science was shit as much as possible. That's all we have for you. Just get it out, yeah. We have nothing else. No, medicine, I'm sorry, no. Just shit as much as you can.

April 22, 1916, Turner returns to defend himself of a robbery charge, gives a $300 bond. Wow, I bet that was the baseball team, by the way. He went back to play baseball. So yeah, they had to put up a fee for him, and then he got to go play baseball, which is fucking amazing. They said Turner was in Evansville

where he was doing remarkable mound work for the River team when the bench warrant was sent there. That's fucking hilarious. 1916, August 17th, Dad again, quote, and here's a headline, in toils, Bob Turner formerly of Boyle County, still at his old game of stealing fouls, 1916. He's 50 years old, dad, here. Well, he's in the system now,

and he's gotta go back to that old game. Well, anytime anybody goes outside and goes, I thought I had more chickens than this. They just go arrest him. They know it's him. And guess who he was arrested by? Deputy Sheriff Ben Freckman, again. Oh, that guy.

The whole fucking family. Yeah, on charges of stealing guy. The whole fucking family. Yeah. On charges of stealing chickens, which is fucking hilarious. So, yeah, he's stealing more chickens and doing all that kind of shit. This is obviously he's got cancer. Then here's another ad. Miller's antiseptic oil known as snake oil, literally known as snake oil. Accomplishing most wonderful results.

Holy shit. No, Mrs. E Montgomery Route 1 Jackson Mississippi states, morphine alone would relieve me of my suffering. Morphine alone? Morphine alone. I would hope so. I just took morphine and that worked for a while. Are you kidding?

Morphine? Okay. Would relieve me of my suffering until I tried Miller's oil. I'm sure that's much better than morphine. Yeah. Which gave me such quick results I've used it for rheumatisms, stiff swollen joints, neuralgia, pains in my limbs, and after I applied it to the affected parts, the pains disappeared. And I'm thankful to say I have had no use for dope of any kind since. Okay, good. That's great.

Just this dope. This is clearly dope. It is. I will never be without a bottle of this wonderful oil in my home. No, this is something else addictive that they gave you. There's probably meth in this. It's a topical. It's got to have cocaine or something that's liquid absorbable.

It's a number. Yeah, cocaine's a number too back then. It is a pleasure for me to recommend it to my friends and the public in this manner. Oh boy, so yeah, this wonderful oil. It should be in every home, it says. Just keep it up there. Somebody said that about Coke one day too.

It should be, this should be in every home as they fucking quickly vacuumed and cleaned up and got all their work done. Grind their molars. Shit. The Lexington Herald, September 14, 1916, Bondsman withdraws and Turner is arrested. So Ted Turner's back in the clink here. He's been pitching for Evansville team

of the Central League and returned home a day or two ago following the close of the league season, was arrested last night by, guess who? Deputy Sheriff Ben Freckman. Freckman. He should just fucking keep an eye on both of these guys because he's gonna arrest them. Constantly. He's lodged in jail on a charge of robbery. They withdrew the bond and asked I guess the bondsman withdrew his bond. Oh. He was arrested I assume maybe because the baseball season was over so he didn't know what would happen. Yeah yeah he may run. Yeah that's probably what it was or maybe the fucking team

had it recalled. Sure. We're not gonna keep him out on our bond if he's not even pitching for us. So that year yeah 21 and 16 232 ERA that'll get you out of jail. 1917 Ted is one of eight people arrested for a series of break-ins in Lexington in the spring of that year. They robbed... Is it a ring of them? It's a ring of them, they're like a flash mob, these people.

They did a tobacco store, a grocery store, and several wholesale houses were hit in the spring. Again, people never would've just went into a store and stole a bunch of shit and leave Yes, they would and did a fucking hundred years ago you morons. Yes Overwhelming people they just think you can't arrest all of them That's what they it's been going on for fucking and not to defend people who do that cuz fuck them But I'm just saying that's not new stuff acting like it not acting like it's new, you know what I mean?

Like, oh man, all of a sudden people just lost their minds. No, people have been crazy as fuck always. For a long time. Long time. It's just all documented with cell phone cameras now, so we see it happening. Now it's on Snapchat. Yeah, we see it.

We can't get away from it. March 7th, 1917, three arrested in tobacco theft. Ted, 24. John, his little brother, back at it. Oh, he's joining the family biz, yeah? Yep, age 21. And John Frazier, also 21, were arrested on charges of house breaking. They're breaking into people's street muggings, stores, homes. These people are dangerous, man. Scum. What do you think they would have done if somebody caught them in the house?

Say if they got a gun, yeah Yep, at 317 Hickory Street by detective Stuart Henley and Baker this morning They're charged with entering the store of the Central Kentucky tobacco company 165 East Short Street Saturday night and taking a quantity of cigars and cigarettes according to the arresting officers a considerable considerable number of cigars and cigarettes. According to the arresting officers, a considerable number of cigars and cigarettes were found in a raid on the house this morning, which was identified by T.A. Conway, bookkeeper for the tobacco company, as goods missed from their house Saturday night. Tobacco value at more than $25 was taken, part of which was found at the Turner home. So yeah, they searched his home,

they found all this shit. Also, they found tobacco, cigars, candy, cigarettes, chewing gum, butter, eggs, and three hams, which were all stolen. They stole the Circle K. Turner's brother Wesley was also arrested, but later released. All that was 25 bucks, huh? All that 25 bucks and well just the tobacco stuff was 25 then the rest of it. Wesley was later arrested on charges of knowingly receiving stolen property. Robert and Theodore both

confessed to grand larceny and were sentenced to a year in prison each. So Ted one year fuck off. Stay out of our lives. Somehow he pitches that year anyway. That's in March which is the beginning of the baseball. Somehow he pitches that year anyway. That's in March, which is the beginning of the baseball season. And he does pitch for the 1917 Evansville Evas anyway. He pitches in 38 games, as a matter of fact. So it's not like he got paroled toward the end of it. He just didn't go to prison.

Worked for a lot of some shit? No idea, maybe. And this is the time, if the team is beloved in the area, they have a poll with judges. They can get people out. That was still going on in the 70 70s Billy Martin got fucking Ron LaFleur out of jail for armed robbery He never even played before yeah, so yeah this year. He is 9 and 14 with a No, that's a 450 era so that's not good not great Not as good as he did the year before but he's distracted by prison, so you know that'll happen

Yeah, he's lying. He's lying on a concrete slab for a night. It's that's tough. You know, it's tough on your arm You don't have that good snap on your curveball when that's happening April 12th 1917 here we go. Okay an article in the Lexington Herald Whole family meets behind bars of state penitentiary in reunion for like Thanksgiving Oh just a reunion a reunion a family reunion within the walls of the penitentiary at Frankfurt will be held will be held By mr. And mrs. Robert T. Turner of the forest hill section and their son John Robert Turner was recently sent by a jury in circuit court to the penitentiary to serve a term of one year for chicken stealing.

This was the seventh time for this member of the Turner family. John Turner recently arrested by the detective department on three separate charges of housebreaking and alleged to have been the leader of the so-called Turner gang to whose credit were marked up by the detectives. A number of housebreaking cases was sent to a circuit court, was sent to buy a circuit court to the penitentiary for 12 years. Wow. John's in for 12. Turner, when arrested, was on parole. That's why. That's why. Mrs. Mary Turner, wife of Robert Turner, was sent to the penitentiary yesterday afternoon in circuit court for a one-year term on a charge of knowingly receiving stolen property.

They said that they made in the Turner house last month, okay, that Mrs. Turner was sitting on the stolen goods which they were seeking. The detective said that she had cigarettes, cigars, chewing gum and other goods said to have been taken and stolen by her sons in a sack in her chair and that she tried to hide the Pilford property under her dress when they were making their search. While she sat. Search the house, go ahead. Yeah, she just tried, oh no, I don't know, yeah, no, nothing's under my dress of this

chair. Ma'am, is that a ham in your ginner? Yeah, I think it is. Are you, did you just fucking squirt a ham out of your pussy? What's going on, ma'am? What is that, chewing gum? Is that butter up there the present term of the circuit court? Okay, and Wesley Turner is charged with receiving stolen property and Ted Turner charged again now this time with highway robbery Highway, he's a highway what they charged people with in the 1800s in the old west. Yeah, we just talked about highway robbery.

Is it when you're just basically standing on the road and ambushing and robbing things? Yeah, robbing stage cars and shit. The highway robbers and road agents they call them. So 1918 here, March 13th, Theodore Turner, who was charged with having broken into the country home of John M. Jones, was placed under arrest. So he's out of jail somehow and arrested again. Breaking into houses. Jesus, March 15th, 1918, this is in a few days here,

Sheriff Ollie McFarland went to Louisville to return to Georgetown. Robert Turner, who was wanted for housebreaking, that's the father, Chicken Bob. His son, Ted Turner, wanted for the same charge, was placed in the county jail yesterday, having been found in Lexington and returned. They're doing it together, father-son break-ins.

By the way, when you're thinking about something, you should really consider Germany's new soap, I think. What, their new one? Near soap. Don't use the old one anymore, the old English? Don't use the far soap, I think. What? Their new one? Near soap. Don't use the old one anymore? The old English? Don't use the far soap, the near soap. Germany's near soap.

Soap is not obtainable in Germany at present. Huh? Oh, it's the World War I. It's the middle of World War I. That's why. The Kaiser not getting it. There are many substitutes of chalk, alkali, sodium sulfate, et cetera, bound together with gelatin or glue.

There's no excuse for Kentuckians being without soap when they can buy this soap, whatever the fuck this, the best laundry soap at five cents per cake. There you go. Don't call it that. Paris, Kentucky, by the way. Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't know there was a Paris, Kentucky.

Get your laundry cake in fucking Paris Get it Here's something for you may 1st 1918. Mm-hmm. They're breaking all the rules that we've set forth here Boy, are they dangerous all the crime and sports rules? And this one is that prisoner confesses sins to dread to jailer is baptized in jail bathtub sins to jailer is baptized in jail bathtub. In the bathtub? The sins of the repentant may be washed away in the bathtub of a county jail as well as the waters of a church baptismal pool was the belief of Robert Turner, the father, chicken

Bob here, whose immersion took place yesterday in the bathroom of the Scott County Prison. Turner confessed sin and the desire for a better life last night to jailer Lon Abbott, whose life he had attempted to take several days ago. He tried to kill the jailer and then said, I'm sorry. Baptized me and let's be forgiven. The jailer, after the elderly prisoner had made an effort to kill him,

answered the threat by preaching the gospel in Turner's prison cell. In the silent hours of the night, the prison cell was the scene of his conversion. After the jailer had preached in a midnight sermon on the text, The Wages of Sin is Death, repentant Turner declared in his life of more than half a century he'd been a gambler, a drunkard, a robber, and a burglar. He had served five terms in the state penitentiary. Last night he declared that he was ready to change his manner of life and desired to become

a church member. Yeah. Fixed. All fixed. All good now. See, he's good now. Finding it impossible to obtain release from imprisonment, he was persistent in his entreaty that he be accepted in the church and baptized.

The Reverend Ira M. Boswell, pastor of the Georgetown Christian Church, was summoned, and with a few members of his congregation present, the baptismal ceremony was held yesterday afternoon. Turner and his son Theodore Turner are in jail here, serving on a sentence of giving a charge of housebreaking. Ted Turner, who was formerly a star pitcher in the Ohio State League and last year lost a position of pitcher on an American Association club by his sentence up to confinement.

The father, since he made an attempt on the life of jailer Abbott, has been in solitary confinement. That's why he wants to get out of solitary. He has twice attempted to end his life by cutting his throat and a short time ago finding no weapon with which to attempt suicide, bashed his head into the prison wall until blood gushed from his ears. Oh, he did so much damage. Maybe it's not cancer, man. Yeah, no shit. You're beating the shit out of no shit and by the way what

happened to that that was years ago he was about to die now he's fine after repeated efforts to end his earthly life had failed a new hope came hit to him in the vision of the life of a spirit Wow I don't even know what the fuck to say about that this is wild by the way, right under this. Villa breaks loose again and 30 persons killed. Who the fuck is Villa? Or Villa? Yeah.

30 old men, women, and children were killed by Villa's men. Yeah, at Santa Cruz de Rosas. Wow, this was happening then. That's crazy. This is like the fucking plot of Three Amigos. Yeah, is it really Pancho Villa? I guess so. Yeah, Villa's men, that's who it is.

In Chihuahua City, 40 miles east of Chihuahua City last Friday, according to a report brought to the border today by railroad men, Villa demanded that three young girls be delivered to him. Deliver me three young girls. We'll stop for three women. Wow, when this was refused, his men were ordered to kill everyone living

in the little settlement. Bring me three young girls. No, kill the whole village. And that's what they did. They wiped out the whole village, which is exactly the plot of Three Amigos, as a matter of fact. If they get three silent Western film stars

to come down and try to fight them, we're on to something. It's definitely him. Holy shit. Yeah, from Chihuahua. That's him. That's unbelievable. That is fucking wild. So May 29th, 1918. Oh boy. Dad again here. Robert Turner, who has served sentences in the state penitentiary and has spent many a day in jails and other counties in the state, charged with election frauds, house breaking, grand larceny, and even murder, who was at the age of 67, broken in health and at last contrite of heart, made a confession today of his entire past life to the Herald correspondent. He's ready to confess. About 10 days ago, he attempted suicide in his cell, first by slashing his throat, then by piercing his arteries with the buckle on his vest.

Wow. He had to poke holes in his arteries. Straight jacket vest? And he tried to squeeze the blood out as it shot. Oh, my. Wow. And finally, beating his head against the prison walls until blood gushed from his ears.

Then after attempting the life of jailer Lon Abbott and chasing all of his frenzied fellow prisoners in their cells, he suddenly broke down after nightly sermons from the jailer as Turner expressed it today. Although it was, in the dead of night, his cell became suddenly filled with rays of sunshine and God came to him and forgave him for his sins." That's what he says. He accepted him. Yeah.

Dr. Ira M. Boswell was called in and the man was baptized in the tub in the jail. In a review today of his past career, Turner mentioned the names of many of the most prominent Louisville politicians for whom he said he played the part of wagon horse and declared his interview and his interview at the advice of those higher up. He had destroyed ballots, kept people from the polls with clubs, and in fact had used every means and power to do this. So he's a fucking, yeah, a election person. But he's forgiven James. He's all forgiven. Everything's fine. If Turner's confession is true, the mystery as to the killing of Sampson,

a ticket agent at the depot at Danville is solved for the first time. And the two men who did the killing are still at large, though the crime occurred at the time Mr. Beckham was governor of Kentucky. Wow. He declared in the confession that two of his pals, Joe DeVille and Thomas Williams, acknowledged to him in Louisville that they had shot the man to death after robbing the depot safe of $115 and that they had not meant to kill him but had to get away. When the Herald correspondent arrived at jail, she looked through the bars at a surprisingly kindly face, into clear blue eyes, and noticed the trembling, weak mouth, hidden by a rather

heavy growth of hair. During the interview, which lasted over three hours, the man pulled constantly on the bars with shaking fingers. "'I am not making this confession to you, lady,' but to God Almighty to relieve my heart which has been burdened with the sins I have been since I've been a little boy it's not if it is not for newspaper talk and sympathy I want to make this confession but to warn men and as well as boys of the evils of drink and gambling and bad company yeah it's not common knowledge yet? Yeah. Gee, this guy is a fucking, wow, he's the biggest con man in the area. Did you guys know that if you gamble and drink and carouse

with bad people, you will have a bad life. And sell your daughters? Yeah. Wow, you'll have a very bad life. Good point. They are three things, they are three things which will drag a man down before he knows it. And after a while, he gets so that he doesn't care how far down he gets dragged either. So I plead with the men who read my words to take the advice of one who's been low as anyone, but who now sees the error of his ways to shun his lepers, drink, evil association and gambling. I was born in Madison, Kentucky, Madison County,

Kentucky in the hills and was one of seven children, none of whom ever got any education. My parents both died when I was 10 years old and when I was just 13 years old. So 110, 113. I worked hard all day for 10 days to pay for a secondhand.22 caliber pistol. When I got it in my possession, I found the spring broken and I walked for many miles over the mountains to an uncle who fixed it for me. This pistol was the first step to my downfall. I carried it loaded for six months. When I was arrested and they gave me 10 days in jail and fined me $25, they took my gun from me. So the first thing that I ever stole was another one, but this time it was a.32 caliber." He said,

I found that stealing was easier than I had imagined. Much easier than work, I would say, too. Much easier. And many a neighbor's chicken was caught and cooked by me and my associates before we were caught. My first big theft was 11 hogs, which I stole from a Mr. Robinson about five miles from Danville. They sentenced me to two years in the penitentiary, but I got out in four weeks. What the fuck do you steal that many hogs?

You gotta rope them together, right? You need them like a wagon train? As I said, there's gotta be a big wagon you load them all in. It has to be, it's the only way. Right here, I wanna state that with influential friends always helping me out of my trouble, that's the, see? That's what it was.

Helping me out of my trouble. How do you meet these people? Cry minutes. Yeah, why do they want him in their friend group? Is he bringing them chickens? Does he make a really good chicken? Like, what's going on? Maybe he's the inventor of chicken tonight.

Maybe, fuck, I feel like chicken tonight. Shaken bake guy. Yeah. And its punishment did not have the terror for me that it might have had had I paid the penalty every time I sinned. Another thing, if you give a dog a bad name, everybody wants to give him a hard kick. Jesus. So that- What? That's a- There are so many sayings from the past that refer to just randomly abusing dogs. It's insane. I've heard beaten like a dog, treated them worse than a dog, kicked like a... It's all these dogs.

What would we be doing with dogs? Give a dog a bad name, it'll make people want to kick it? Yeah. Jesus Christ. I named this dog fucking Pussylore. This is Shithead. And they kicked the shit out shit head and they nobody's shit head in the They loved him oh My god, so that's what he said so that many a time

I was arrested for a crime with which I had no connection And was released last October from a year in the penitentiary when another band did the stealing that I would not But I wouldn't squeal on him my son Theodore and I are now lying in jail Charged with housebreaking and when we were presented in circuit court, we can prove that we are innocent So he's gonna he's admitted to everything except for this last thing that I'm actually in here for that. I'm clean We're gonna get our day in court. So after his hog stealing when he was a teenager, that's when he got married. They said when he was but 17 years old, his wife being a barefooted child in knee-length skirts.

God Jesus. That is not a good description of the woman he met. A barefooted child. 11 children have been the result of the marriage. The second boy being Theodore, the baseball pitcher, who for the past three years has been on the Evansville team, winning the pennant for his team in 1915. Since his incarceration, he's had to refuse a big offer to go to Topeka, Kansas to play in the Western League. When a young man, Turner, entered politics, That's his old man, Turner, yeah. He was truly a political mix-up game. He said that he would do anything

to see a Democrat win right or wrong. Back then, that's the, the parties, by the way, that's the, well, yeah, that's the south side, basically, at that point, because that was, you know, they were Democrats, and Lincoln was a Republican. He said that he was challenger at the cabbage patch polls Okay at the election when Paul Barth ran for mayor against JT O'Neill and that O'Neill had a majority of 380 votes He said that according to instructions he shot a hole in the 380 ballots completely disfiguring them

Oh, then he drove a buggy to the Shelby Street Poles where he stole the ballot box and ran through several streets and alleys until he got to Stone's place just a block away from a station house where he burned the contents of the box. As was pre-arranged he said two policemen with blank cartridges shot at him as he rushed out and he in turn fired back at them with blanks so they hadn't put a big show on, he said. He asserted that through Mr. O'Neill he was arrested and served six months and that during

that time every other week was presented before prosecuting attorney Huffaker but that he would tell nothing. Upon questioning he would answer evasively, look for the fortune, look for the fortune, the devil for all, the devil for us all. Look for the fortune, the devil for us all, Turner declared, that his crookedness was done not alone for Barth, but for jailer flans and all of the county officers, and that his deed would have been buried with him had not some officials gone back on him when they needed him, so when he needed them. Because he would not give two policemen a pint of whiskey, they declared vengeance. That's what he

says. So they turned him in. And the following week, his son John placed in Caldwell School of Reform. Going to Judge Wilson, Turner swore, he said, quote, give me back my boy or I'll holler. And then Judge Wilson made no answer to his pleas He said that he then went before Marshall Bullitt and made affidavits about the election which caused the political undoing of many an official Oh, he fucked a lot of things up. Yeah Turner recalled also having been presented in the United States courts During the Brian election where he was an election officer in Jezamine County. He stated that he's that he was instructed to vote only the Democrats and when a Republican appeared he would be held back with a club and that they voted Democrats so slowly that the polls were closed before

a single Republican had cast his vote. Influential friends again came to his rescue he said. according to Turner he was an election officer in the Wilmore precinct in Jesamine County when Goebel ran for government. Goebel like go it's spelled like Goebel's wow that's crazy good he bought voters but kept Republicans away and did all sorts of cricket crooked work to have his man elected when Thomas Jeffries a Republican was kept from votingries shot at him five times and that he, having lent his pistol to Colonel Lillard, who was also expecting trouble, could

only use his pocket knife on Jeffries, whom he slashed several times. Jesus. Turner said that he was not even tried, but that Jeffries was fined a large sum and was in prison for six months because he was shooting. Yeah. Turner declared that in all of his trials and courts, he employed the best Democratic lawyer of the town who would never accept a Republican on his juries. When asked about his connection with the Cassell murder between Nicholasville and Lexington several years ago, Thomas swore that through his two brothers-in-law, Sam Nightkirk and Abe Maples had accused him of the murder. He had proven by two revenue officers that at the time of

the crime, he was with them at High Bridge searching for two men who had stolen whiskey from still houses. He was therefore cleared of the charge. So they said Cassel's turkeys were stolen one night and when he shot at the intruders They fired upon him a Scott County official said that's the that murder in the turkey house there or chicken house Turner said that when governor Beckham was in the chair. He was threatened with mob violence at the time That the ticket agent Sampson was shot to death in Danville and that the governor had ordered the militia to protect him He claimed that at the time of the murder he was lying at the Norton Infirmary having submitted to an operation for cancer. That's the cancer. He stated that he had been at the hospital for

nine weeks at the time and took two weeks to even walk when he was charged with the crime, though the affidavits of his physician said his life was saved and he wasn't too weak to walk. Mulligan's bloodhounds traced the murderer of the agent to the cliffs near the Dix River, and Turner states that Mr. Mulligan thought he had recognized in the pursuing man himself. He said a mob had quickly formed and $500 was offered for his capture, meaning Turner's capture. So about six months later, according to Turner's story, Joe DeVille and Tom Williams, two of his former companions, while drinking with him at a gambling table in Louisville, acknowledged having stolen $115 from the Danville station. He said that he had never exposed the

men before, but felt that now, since he was making an open breast of all of his sins he could not rest until that too was known. He said that at the end of the interview he felt better than he had since he began his life of crime and that he has been prevented from taking his life and that in his desperation had cried aloud to God to help him a God that had never he'd never before known that had a prayer Constantly and both day and night and that all at once he expressed himself meaning God Obviously I felt a light and everything about me was as bright as if the Sun was shining in my dark cell Even though it was the dead of night and I fell into a deep sleep and I awoke singing I continued singing when the draylor and his wife came in Jailers just bring their wives and just bring all the sari cells of a guy who just tried to murder him Imagine that I asked for a minister of the gospel and now that I'm baptized

I'm truly a changed man and I want the world to understand that what God has done for me a poor weak sinner He would do for others who are repentant And I want the world to understand that what God has done for me, a poor weak sinner, He would do for others who are repentant. I hope the good Christian people will help me and pray for me and that I might get out of the world, get out in the world and help change some other weakling like myself. I'm going to fix other people now. I pray that my wicked past may be an example for many others. My constant advice is for everyone to surrender their souls to God and pray for our blessed boys over there.

God bless you all. World War I is what he's talking about over there. The county commissioner said that he listened to the recital of the story as well and thought it was pretty funny. So anyway, so he is pretty fucked at that point as we'll talk about and Ted is here. October 10th, 1918, the jury is unable to agree on the commonwealth against Robert Clifford used of have, oh it's here, Clifford is charged with having accompanied Robert Turner and his son Theodore Turner, both of whom are serving sentences in the penitentiary. So this is the third break-in guy here. So there you go, they

talk, there's so many articles about him being fucking baptized. What is, hmm, I mean maybe that's why they've done it for years and years and years because it got coverage. And yeah, imagine if just any shitheal prisoner every time they got baptized, newspapers were just fucking clamoring every social media site. Hey, burglar in the middle of fucking nowhere in Ohio got decided to be a Christian today. That'd be so fucking weird. It happens every day.

It's not news anymore. No, not at all. So here we go. March 11th, 1919. You noticed he hasn't really played baseball yet. No, there's very little. He will play in the major leagues though. Is that right? How the fuck is he going to get out of prison and go to the majors?

Well here we go. He can turn around. March 11th, 1919, two prisoners released and three are received, it says. Lewis Burns sent from Jefferson County for a term of five to six years for a dwelling house burning. And Theodore Turner from Scott County serving a term of one year for house breaking were released. So he's out and about.

He's 1919 going to play for the Toledo Mudhens and also the Bloomington Bloomers. Yeah. So Toledo Mud Hens here. Any interesting names? No, Howie, Gus, Ham, Ham Hyatt. All right. First name Ham. Ham Hyatt, Binky Jones. There you go. I like that.

I like Binky. That's fun. What's up, Dad? They got a Binky, a Raleigh. Raleigh's good. That's not that weird. That's not weird, though. I don't even know what the fuck that means.

I think it's short for Rollifer. No, I'm kidding. Roll it. Rollin', maybe Rollin', that's possible. On the pitching staff though, Ted is 0-1. By the way, he's 27 at this point. Oh no, he spent so much time behind bars. So much time behind bars.

He goes to Bloomington. There's a guy named Wheat is his first name. A guy named August and a guy named Wheat. Oh oh we got a Butch too and a Shag yeah I used to have a Butch in my life I love that guy. That's fun. Butch is a great name. Butch is usually a good guy. yeah he's always so he was filthy he was dirty but he was great yeah but if you're if you need your carburetor adjusted Oh he's so. Oh, he's so good. Yeah. I'll tell you a great pussy joke, too. Oh, while he's doing it.

What a guy. What a guy. While he's wrenching. Hey, you hear this one? Yeah. Well, he's wrenching. Now, this year for Bloomington, he has a 1.92 ERA in 253 innings. So he is crushing it at that point.

And at that point, well, before this, yeah, we'll cut this off before a shooting and all this stuff. Oh, fuck. All sorts of stuff going on here. And he's about to embark on his own career of insanity. Baseball, number one. Oh. You're going to hear about two more seconds of baseball and then crime for the rest of

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Chin Blossom knows friend named Butch. He was such a good guy. I just- So, such a good guy. He just said Butch and I remembered him. He was great. Yeah. Everybody knows a Butch that they loved.

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