Crime in Sports - #418 - Prison Poppins - Ted Turner - Part 2

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

This week, we finish up this insane tale with his father being a murderer, and never having to stay in prison. Meanwhile, Ted has o ne of the shortest careers, of all time, then starts a career as a full time gangster. As part of a safe cracking/housebreaking crew, they went all over the country to steal. Ted breaks out of prison, several times, making him both famous & infamous!Pitch less than 2 innings, in your entire MLB career, become part of a national crime syndicate, and break out of jail using crazy cartoon methods, that somehow work with Ted Turner - Part 2!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Here we go. Let's do this with our asshole of the week here. Back to Ted Turner, and if you missed last week, you should probably check out last week and then come back. You're gonna be lost. But it's not Ted Turner, the Ted Turner that you might know, not the guy who started TBS and CNN and all that stuff.

It's just a guy who. He's still alive. Yeah, Ted Turner's still alive. That's wild. It's amazing what being a billionaire can do for your health. Isn't that wild? He has made so many things happen for America. Isn't that crazy?

It's amazing that he still exists. Wild how long billionaires live. It's also very rare that you live long enough to see the statue of yourself erected. And he's seen it. Yeah, well, he probably paid for it, too. He probably did. He probably commissioned it. Use this picture, please. It's my favorite one. No, for it too. He probably did. He probably commissioned it.

Use this picture please, it's my favorite one. No, no, no, me. Put me on a horse, will ya? I really wanna look. Yeah. Make me look like Teddy Roosevelt, but me. Put me on a fuckin' bear. Yeah, put me on, I'm riding a bear.

But with like reins and shit, like it's a horse. You know what I mean? Do that, can you do that? Standing up. Yeah, standing up. Would you ever watch the critic, the cartoon with John Lovett do that? Standing up. Yeah, standing up. Would you ever watch The Critic, the cartoon with John Lovitz? Yes.

I loved The Critic. That was a great fucking show back in the day. John Lovitz is obviously very endeared and everybody loves him, but I still think with how much he's adored, I still think it's under adored. I still think he's under appreciated. He is.

He is. Fantastic man. Well, The Critic didn't last very long. It wasn't a hit at all. It didn't, no. I still think he's under appreciated. He's a fantastic man. Well the critic didn't last very long. It wasn't a hit at all. Was it three? Four seasons? Three seasons I think. And it's one of those that when it was on Comedy Central in the late 90s all the time, that's when I would watch it because it was on in the middle of the night.

So what were we talking about? The critic? I don't remember. I'm sorry. No, no. I'm the one who went off on the critic here. Oh, his boss on the show was based on Ted Turner. Ted Turner, oh, is that right? And he had Duke, and he had a big statue of him on a horse,

and it was like the whole thing. That's where that came from. That's what I was thinking about. Wow. Anyway, so, onto Ted Turner, though. This Ted Turner, different Ted Turner. When we left off, his dad was like throwing elections, was like hanging out at voting places with clubs beating the shit out of

people who weren't voting the way he wanted them to. And then stuffing boxes, is that what they did? They burned some? He stole the ballot box from a district that had votes that they didn't want and burned it and burned the whole ballot box, stole other ballots. His dad was fixing shit. His dad is majorly connected though, because his dad keeps stealing chickens and livestock of all kinds, getting busted, getting sentenced to these long sentences and getting like pardoned by the governor in like three months. So unbelievable. And then he's like doing election shit. So I can't help but think that he's, you know, like a, he knows somebody.

He's definitely on the inside here. He's playing somebody with something. Is he giving chickens to the governor? I think he gives the best turkeys is the thing. He's giving the governor his Thanksgiving bird every year. Thanksgiving and Christmas, he's very reliable. Every time. So Ted, on the other hand, at this point, is still playing baseball,

and this is fun because he's been in and out of jail as he's been playing baseball. Remember like a team a team bails him out for the season and then when the season's over they revoke their bond and he goes back to jail. It's like a fucked up movie this guy. I don't know how this guy's life isn't a movie by the way. This is unbelievable. This is wild. So in 1919 he's on the Bloomington Bloomers is the team. This is unbelievable. This is wild. So in 1919, he's on the Bloomington bloomers is the team. This is the Illinois, Indiana, Iowa league. That's the league. Just a few states. Yeah, this is before there was like, clearly defined single double, triple a this was there was a million independent baseball teams and they were some of them were roughly affiliated with major league clubs and shit like that,

but they weren't like, you know, they weren't an affiliate like now. Now the team like pays for shit. And 1919, there also was a lack of like mass transportation to get you anywhere other than a train, so you'd have to like, either ride a train or ride a horse. Yeah, or carriages through them.

Yeah. There was cars, but not everybody had them true though. It should get to these places. Yeah. There was cars, but not everybody had them, and they were not reliable at the time either. It didn't hold fucking 19 people. No. It didn't at least hold the starting nine. No. Back then too, this was like these small teams, these guys were like celebrities in the town.

This wasn't like some little thing that nobody watched. This was the sports, and they all watched. There's no fucking TV. This is right at the beginning of radio. So I mean there is fucking nothing to do. Nothing. If you're going to a baseball game because it's sad or sit and stare at the wall. There's nothing to fuck especially in a small town. There was nothing to do. Some tiny town in Iowa or Indiana. At that, you were lucky if you had a movie theater in the town.

I mean, literally, that's at the time, because movies were new too. So on this team, there's a guy named Heine, which I like. His name is Heine Sand, which is what you complain about at the beach. I have Heine Sand, it's gross. Me and my Heine Sand, and there's also shag Thompson is on the team, which is a fun one there. And Ted of course, pitches on this team. Ted has a 192 ERA this

year. Oh, that's good. That's great. Under two, which is spectacular. If you're not a baseball fan, that's really good. And a 253 innings pitched, which nowadays they've never let a guy pitch 253 innings And these they only have to pitch 200 for Christ's sake they pull guys out of perfect games for fuck's sake Yeah, nothing sacred with that kind of shit anymore. So yeah, that's that's the squad He's a he does a has a good year that year. So good for him. He's 27 though. Oh my 27 is kind of pushing it for a yeah up-and-comer. You know what I mean? Oh my. 27 is kind of pushing it for an up and comer.

You know what I mean? Oh boy, he's got bad hips. Yeah, by then, I mean back then 30 was old. You know, like 30 was like, oh boy, you can't be playing anymore. You're 30. Holy shit. Picture of a 30 year old is not, doesn't look good. So right after the September 23rd, 1919, here is the father.

And this is from the Courier Journal. And it says, this is the headline, seven shot from the Courier Journal and it says this is the headline seven shot in rioting in Pittsburgh district Steel Chiefs predict long and bitter war three men eight boys arrested in car dynamiting Eight boys dying dynamiting three men and eight children apparently blew some shit up So that's a much more sinister movie. Right. Than the one with the baby.

This is wild. This is so fucked. And then this is the greatest. This is the picture of the dad and the two guys held. This is the three men here. Yeah. Look at them. That's turkey bob back here.

Is that right? That's turkey bob and here is accomplices. Yeah, he looks like a turkey thief. You can tell these three have something in common, like whatever their cause is, because they don't hang out together. No. Now, Turkey has no collar,

and he looks like he crawled out of the field, whereas the other- He looks 75. He looks old as shit, and the other two guys, one of them looks like he's in his 20s, and he's very well dressed, and then the other guy looks like a banker in his 40s. And they have eight children they're dynamiting cars with?

Apparently, yes. This is Kirby, Philip, Samuel Anderson, and Robert Turner. And there's eight children also that have done this. And it says two strikers held on story of quarry worker 68, both deny charge, youths had explosives. What the fuck? 68 both deny charge youths had explosives a dragnet drawn about Louisville since the first dynamiting outrage has been drawn tighter by federal authorities city police one night this was no series of events this is a whole thing I think

this has to do with because it's the steel people so I think it has to do with people wanting more money, unionizing and things like that too. So this result of three men and eight youths been arrested on a statement made to police by Robert Turner, 68 years old, that's Turkey Bob, that's our guy's dad, 1009 West Market Street, that he had been approached a week ago and offered $25 to place dynamite charges under cars. That's very affordable for that, I would say.

That's really an affordable, right? I would expect to pay more to have people dynamite cars. 25 bucks. Yeah, that's probably what all those cars cost. Yeah, they weren't very expensive. And Kirby Phillips, this is Samuel Anderson, 43 years old, Kirby Phillips, 23, yeah, the guy's young as fuck, were arrested yesterday afternoon and charged with banding together to injure property. The three men were held under bonds of 2,500

each. Turner said, this is dad, men have been coming to my house for about a month and asking for me. I have worked inquiries and done other blasting work and I know how to set off dynamite. Sunday a week ago or two, a week ago two men, I've never saw them before, came to my house and offered me $25 if I would dynamite some cars. Last Wednesday they came back after a car had been blown up out in the country and asked me if I would plant the dynamite. I said I would. Okay, well he's just admitting this really in the press. Attaboy. Okay, then they took me to a shop on Main Street and showed me some clothes lockers and a box in one of them. They told me there was dynamite in there under an oilcloth cover.

They asked me to put my hand in and feel. I did. It was dynamite. Unreal. They had a sack there and they said there was dynamite in and feel. I did. It was dynamite." They had a sack there and they said there was dynamite in that too. Jesus Christ. So Turner said that there were other packages containing fuses and dynamite caps in the lockers. He told police that he did not know the name of the shop but took detectives Urell and St. Clair to Drummond's machine shop, 1214 West Main Street. There, detectives found an oil cloth covering, but no dynamite.

Officials of the Drummond company visited police headquarters and failed to identify the prisoners. So they didn't work there or anything. They just went in some machine shop and hid their dynamite, which is fucking insane. They told Chief Petty that they never had seen the men before or heard of any packages being placed in the shop.

Now also that would behoove them to say, yeah, we weren't letting fucking people store their dynamite here to be used in nefarious ways. I never saw these people in my fucking life. So Turner said the men told him they would call for him Thursday morning, but he told them to wait until Friday, it being his intention to tip off the police is what he said. So he said, I wanted to have a few extra days so I could tell on them. He said, I went out on the prospect car line, the prospect car, I guess on the street prospect car line early Thursday morning to look over the ground near the golf links.

He said, here, he said, I tried for shooting a man and was, oh, okay, Robert Turner, this resulted in the arrests of the other two guys. So somehow he's arrested too, even though he's telling on them. Doesn't make sense. He said at this point, I was tried for shooting a man and was given 21 years. I beat the case on my next trial. Another time I went to the penitentiary for shooting I served less than four weeks." He killed two men? Marshall Bullitt got me a pardon before a month was up. A pardon. He fucking shot a guy. Less than four weeks. I don't know what to say about that. Some corrupt ass shit. Wow.

Turner said that he's a member of the Turner family of Middlesborough, Bell County, which figured in the famous quarter house battle in which nearly half a score, half score of men were killed. Turner said he is 68 years old. He looks like a typical Mountaineer. Sure does. Yeah. So he said about the other thing, he said that he went to look over the ground

near the golf links, that quote from before, and he said at the old Standard Club, and I wanted to arrange things so that my nephew, James Lacks, who's a policeman, could come out there and catch me and the men out there. So he's setting up a sting operation. Right. And he's gonna act, Oh no, I got busted.

Hey Mac, what's the, hey, whatever. Hey, it's Donnie Brasco. Whatever old timey bullshit he's gonna say. Yeah. He was arrested near the links by County Patrolman Joe Martin. Turner described one of the men as being a motorman on the Portland Avenue car line. He was taken to the offices of the Louisville Railway Company Sunday and shown pictures of former employees. 150 pictures were shown him and from the list he picked Phillips. No picture of Anderson was in the collection but officials of the railway company said he answered Turner's description of Phillips alleged alleged companion. So he was the guy with Phillips when they arrested him which is the guy he described. Arrest of the two followed.

Anderson and Phillips said they had never, which is the guy he described. Arrest of the two followed. Anderson and Phillips said they had never seen each other except on streetcars. I don't even know this guy. Never saw him before. They said that they both worked on the streetcars. He goes, that's the only time I've seen him. I don't know him though. Just some other guy that works in a big company.

I don't know. He said they don't know each other's names either. Both of them said. Anderson said that old man is either crazy or the biggest liar that's ever lived. Yeah I think both probably if we're talking about Turkey Bob. He's certainly out of his fucking mind. He's definitely out of his fucking gourd. He said I've seen him before or I've never seen him before I've worked for the Louisville railway company for 21 years and have

never done anything against the company except go out on a strike. This Sunday, this man mentions, I was over on Sand Island where my father has a watermelon patch. Two fishermen rode me over to the island and left me there. In the night, some of the street car men rode over and brought me to Louisville. Jesus, you have to row back and forth. That's tough. and brought me to Louisville. Jesus you have to row back and forth. That's tough. Wednesday I worked all day in a soft drink stand on Fast Market Street. I have no fear of this man's false accusations and can prove my innocence. So this guy saying he made it all up. I was working all day everybody saw me. Philip said, yeah, Philip said he definitely didn't do that on Sunday. You know why? Why? He's a church. Oh he's a church going guy. He can't be. This on Sunday. You know why? Why? He's a church.

Oh, yeah. He's a church going guy. He can't be. This is crazy. How could I? I was praying. Yeah, he said that he was in church on Sunday and then was on picket duty on Wednesday, the time that he was alleged to have been arranging for the dynamiting of cars.

He's like, I was picketing. Turner insists that Anderson and Phillips are the men who approached him in regard to the dynamiting. Turner's wife said she identified Anderson as one of the men who came to the house and inquired the whereabouts of her husband. Bud McGarvey, a newsboy, said he saw men go to Turner's home on the Sunday in question, but could identify neither of them. So somebody came over there. He said Anderson looked like one of the men he saw but quote, that man was taller and had gray hair and a gray mustache. So in other words, he doesn't look like him. Not at all.

I'm sorry, but he looks like him. I mean, he's a man. That's about the only thing. He looks like a younger man. Much younger. I mean, yeah. If that guy, does he have a father, that guy? Because I think he might be the one that I saw. Could be his dad. If it's his dad, possibly. But taller with gray hair and mustache is a completely different person. Slight resemblance.

The guy's bigger, has gray hair. Yeah. So yeah, his dad. That's like, what does Jimmy Wissman look like? He kind of looks like James, but shorter and with a beard. No, no, we're both guys, but no, that's not, very similar. Doesn't make any sense. Ridiculous.

He said Anderson's hair and mustache, or now they say Anderson's hair and mustache are both black, so not gray hair and beard. So the police say this is only the start, only the beginning. They said the mystery of disappearance of 100 sticks of dynamite from the magazine belonging to the United States government in the canal banks. They were leaving caches of fucking explosives in canal banks, our government in the 20s, in the 1919. That doesn't seem safe at all.

They just stored it on the fucking side of a creek until people could just steal it. This is insanity I guess they said this is but it was stolen from the storehouse by chick with him chick And chick is obviously in parentheses there 15 years old by the way Oh my god, and Arthur shoo shoo. Ler who's 12? Because if I was 15 or 12 and was walking around out and I saw a big cache of explosives, I'd probably have taken some too just to have them. This is how I lost a finger, man. Yeah, exactly. The captain of the police force said, these boys admit they took the explosives.

Detectives Haller and McDonald were tipped off Saturday afternoon that the boys in Portland had been with Dynamite and they worked on the case until 5 o'clock Sunday morning. The Dynamite was found buried under earth and weeds in Happy Hollow between the Canal and High Street and 20th and 23rd Streets and the arrest of the boys followed. Charles Ulrich, who's 14 years old, Albert Adzinger, who's 14, William Blake, who's 16, Theodore Burrell, 19. I guess he's a fireman, by the way. Of course he is. He's five years into his fucking career, James. He's a railroad fireman, a K&L terminal railroad fireman.

He's already got a nasty alcohol habit. Well, he got out of the mines, which he's happy about. He was in the mines till he was about 12 and a half. Back then, kids had, it was child labor. I mean, that's just the way it was. They've got TNT in their pockets. These are very mature men. Kids are way different back then, too.

William Hall, 18, William Zinniger, no age. They were found to have dynamite in their possession and they were all arrested. Yeah, they said Wittam was the guy who gave the dynamite to all the others. That's what they said anyway. So, whatever. Now, October 7th, 1919, this is the Lexington Herald headline police court. Theodore, Theodore Turner, our buddy here, of course, because it's October 7th. So when is that after the baseball season?

He's like Eddie Johnson. In fact, like he needs to be playing baseball or else he's in a lot of trouble. So as soon as he's not preoccupied, there's problems when he's playing ball. He never gets in trouble. That's the thing. He does fucking fine. He minds his P's and preoccupied, there's problems. When he's playing ball, he never gets in trouble. That's the thing. He does fucking fine. He minds his P's and Q's. He plays ball.

He shuts the fuck up. As soon as the season's over, it's a nightmare. He's back under Turkey Bob here. Back to stealing. So he was arrested for disorderly conduct. Yes. And it says that, yeah, recognized to keep the piece 12 months in the sum of $100.

I'll get to sentence, I guess. Other people here, running an automobile while drunk, A.B. Dorgan, $5. Running one. Running one, that's driving while shit-faced back then. $5 also, same amount for violating the traffic ordinance. You got the same fine as running while shit-faced, which is pretty

cool. Another guy, John Thomas, being drunk, $1 fine. Being drunk. Being drunk. Just drunk, this guy. Public drunkenness, I think is what it was. I imagine, yeah. Emma Lewis discharging a firearm in the city, and that got dismissed. Emma.

Emma, what are you doing? That got dismissed and released. So now the Cubs, because Indiana's close to Chicago, Illinois, they heard good things about this great pitcher who had an ERA under two in Bloomington and they don't fucking know anything else about the guy. They don't know shit. There's no Google search.

We can't do a been verified background check on this guy. So they didn't know, or they didn't give a shit is the other thing. Because back then a lot of these guys were hard cases. So who cared? Also 1919 Chicago ain't a great place. Yeah, we're talking, you know, this is the beginning right now of a prohibition.

It's supposed to Al Capone's gonna come up. Yeah, it might not be, people might not be so morally outraged at this point. But they end up buying him from Bloomington for $2,500. Take a flyer, fuck it. Yeah, but then the Roger Breschnehan, who is the president of the Toledo Mudhans, claimed that they, not the Bloomers, were owed the money because they were like renting him out to... I don't care. Here's 25 grand you guys sorted out 2500 not 25000 $2500

which is still a good amount of money back then but still it's incredibly low well Toledo had just loaned Turner to Bloomington to avoid the rule that prevented teams from farming out players so yeah yeah, obviously if Turner's involved, there's gonna be some rule bending and breaking. If anybody in this family's involved, if everyone's intact and not blown up by the end of it and has all their chickens, we win at that point. So the Cubs get him and they put him on the roster

for the 19-20 season. So he is a fucking major leaguer at like 28 years old after being in jail like eight times. Unbelievable. This is a wild story that he's even ever making it. And he'd be so done and never in the majors nowadays. Forget it. Too much backstory that would be exposed. Yeah. And the 20 cubs Grover Alexander Hall of Fame pitcher on that team. And let's look for some good names here otherwise. Zeb, we got a Zeb. That's nice. Zeb Terry, we got a babe.

We got a Hippo. There we go. Hippo Vaughn. That's what I'm talking about. Hippo, that's fucking awesome. We got a Buck of course. There's always a Buck around somewhere. A Speed, Speed Martin.

That would bring different connotations nowadays. Someone called him Speed. A lot of Charlies and Clauds and people like that. But the 1920 team goes 70 and 79. So fifth place, nothing spectacular, mediocre team. It's not even called Wrigley Field yet by the way, it's called Cubs Park at this point. Same place though. Same place. Yeah it was built in what? 1415 something like that. 12, 13, 14. Brand new. Brand new. Still smells nice. Oh yeah no Ivy. This is no centerfield bleachers. No outfield bleachers. This was the wall and the

street. That was unbelievable. They didn't build the bleachers till like the 30s I want to say. That's when they put the ivy up too I think. But the buildings were there that you could still see inside. Oh absolutely yeah yeah even better because there was nothing blocking your view. Nothing there. It was just a fucking wall so I mean if you were on the second floor or above you could watch every game. Pretty neat. Was there a crime committed? As far as I'm concerned there wasn't. Guilty by Design dives into the wild story of Alexander and Frank, interior designers who in the 80s landed the jackpot of all clients. We went to bed one night and the next morning we woke up as one of the most wanted people in the United States.

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binge all episodes of Hysterical early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus. So he makes his debut here April 20th, 420 baby. Is that right? April 20th, 1920 he makes his debut. It was a 10-3 loss to the Cardinals. The starting pitcher, Chippy Gaw, I saved that one by the way. Chippy Gaw. Chippy Gaw is his name.

G-A-W? G-A-W. Chippy, Chippy Gaw made the only start of his career giving up two runs in the first inning and allowed the first two batters of the second inning to get singles. So they pulled him out, and manager Fred Mitchell calls to the bullpen. Give me the turkey. Give me Turkey Jr.

Bring him on in here. Bring in Turk Alerk. Two outs, or I'm sorry, two on base, and nobody out he comes on, because the guy gave up two singles. He walked Bert Schottin to load the bases. That's his first batter. Uh-oh.

Oh, shit, his second batter, my Itta Grand Slam? Well, Cliff Heathcote hit a fly ball to left field, and they tried to tag up from third, because it's a sacrifice fly, you don't know much about baseball, the guy can score from third on a fly ball that's caught to the outfield. Bernie Freiburg, the left fielder threw him out threw him out at the plate. Holy! Exciting Vern Clemens got got uh you know fucking thrown out at

the plate there. Now we got runners on second and third? No well now yes second no now we got runners on first and second because third base just got picked up. Second base didn't move over? I don't know if they advanced or not though. I'm not sure. Then he got another guy to fly out to left field and the inning was over because that was his third base. So he comes in in his second inning here of work and Rogers Hornsby is a hall of fame,

one of the best hitters of all time. and Rogers Hornsby is a hall of fame. You know, one of the best hitters of all time. Yeah, he's amazing. He hits a fly ball to center field and out. So he gets Rogers Hornsby out, which is pretty fucking cool. Then he gives up back to back triples by Jack Fornier and Austin McHenry. He just sat down Roger Tornsby

and we don't know who these people are. Back to back triples. This would have to be in St. Louis because there's no way you're getting back to back triples in Wrigley, it's too small. That field is too, there's not a lot of triples hit at Wrigley because the corners aren't very big. So you're not, and even center field is not big either.

Unless they were super fucking fast. They might have had both of them, who knows. So, and Sportsman Park had a little more, where St. Louis was playing, had a little bit more, Little bit more room in the outfield. Little more character to the dimensions, basically. So, anyway, the manager then yanks Turner and brings in Speed Martin.

Okay. Who allowed McHenry to score on a fielder's choice, then yanks Turner and brings in Speed Martin. Okay. Who allowed McHenry to score on a fielder's choice, which that then gets tacked on to Turner's, because it's his runner. He put him on, yep. Yep, that run is charged to Turner. So this next guy walked a bat,

or I'm sorry, Turner walked a bat or gave up two hits. The Cubs then on May 15th, they never used him again till May 15th. What? And then on May 15th, they never used him again till May 15th. And then on May 15th they sent him back to Toledo. Oh no! They kept him around for a month for some reason. Cubs for four weeks. He has his grand MLB career,

his 1.1 innings pitched, two hits, two runs, one walk, and a 1350 ERA. And they knew, wow. And they shipped his ass back. They knew right away, this guy ain't no good. Why'd you keep him for another 25 days though? That makes no sense.

You don't keep people you don't. So weird to not use people you have on the roster in baseball, other than like a third catcher maybe or something, but like a pitcher, you don't keep pitchers you're not using, you ship them down, get somebody else. It's the weirdest thing I ever heard. So he goes. 13 ERA.

13. He did make $1,800 that year though. Not bad. So good for him. At that point though, they said that he ended up on Indianapolis of the American Association. We don't have any stats for that. And that was it.

After that season, nobody else ever wanted him. But he faced Hornsby. He goes awesome. He got Rogers Hornsby out. That's the thing. He can tell everybody that I made it to the show. Number one, because that's the big deal. Did you ever make to the show?

I made it to the show and I got Rogers Hornsby out. And that's all true. Put anything beyond that that you're gonna put a grandeur on him, it's gone. What was your ERA? Don't you worry about it. Don't worry about that. Got Rogers Hornsby out is the point here.

That's the whole deal. He didn't even make base. Nope, he's out. So that's interesting though. So he got a grand total of four outs in his major league career. And that's it. So now he's out of baseball. He's done.

Done. Now he has no money. Because he was making money playing baseball. At least it was a career. So he returned to Kentucky to help support his family. After, by the way, Turkey Bob, there's a reason why in the early twenties here, Turkey Bob leaves his family kind of high and dry when he's arrested again for stealing fucking chickens again, stop stealing chickens. You know, they lay eggs and hatch,

just get a few chickens and you'll have more chickens very soon. Yeah. The, the, the thieving life. It calls me. I need to steal chickens. It's so weird. It's like an obsession. Every morning around 6 AM I'm reminded how much I love those. Remember when they got Dahmer when into the fucking box there in the interrogation office, they were like, so what would make a person do all this? He goes, I wish I knew. I don't know. I feel like that's what it is about the chickens like Bob. Why do you keep stealing these chickens? He's like I wish I could tell you I don't know I have my own chickens. I just need more

It pointed its little fucking foot its little pointy nails This little fucking wrinkled up pointy, nail foot at me. Yeah, his little talon, his little claw. His little fucking wrinkled up foot claw at me and said, you. It's you. You're coming to see me. I smell the shit and I just, I'm drawn to it. I don't know what it is, I can't help it.

I just, I'm obsessed with feathers. Is that what it is? It's a sexual fetal. I'm a head pet, do you get me? Is it a feather fetish? What's he got going on here? So April 1st, 1923, straight out of the Lexington Herald here. This is our guy Ted now, not dad.

I'll just read right from here. The agents started the week, the agents by the way, these are anti-liquor agents, federal agents, yeah. Started the week by making two raids Monday which resulted in a like number of arrests and the seizure of more than 20 gallons of moonshine whiskey. This is in Kentucky too, so they're still making shit in the hills there and you can buy whiskey anywhere. Everywhere and anywhere. You can fucking order that there. And you can buy whiskey anywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere and anywhere.

You can fucking order that shit online, you can get it anywhere. Back then, when it was during Prohibition, holy shit. I mean, Kentucky was keeping this country going on booze. So, M. Lee Brown was arrested in a room over the Mecca soft drink stand. Awesome, the soft drink stand. He's making booze on stock. Is that right? He was making the booze up there just shipping it down to

mix it. Throw this in the coke. It'll be amazing. He was relieved of eight half pints of liquor. So four pints of liquor is what he had. That's what we're putting resources into. That's what we've got the federal agents chasing down. Four pints of liquor. The residents of Theodore Turner 123 Payne Street yielded 20 gallons of liquor. Oh, shit. Ted had the stock, yeah. Yeah. He had the stock.

So it says nine men arrested on liquor charges. Action taken on indictments returned by grand jury. Deputy Sheriff Lewis Johnson made nine arrests yesterday acting on 10 indictments returned by the Fayette County grand jury last Monday. Most of the indictments were for liquor violations. They were Theodore Turner, Payne Street, possessing liquor, Pat Slaughter, Jesus, operating a disorderly house. You got shit all over the place. Clean this joint up or I'm taking you in.

A disorderly house. My kids are so disrespectful. I'm sure I would be arrested for that. I was going to say, you should arrest your kids for operating a disorderly room. You should fucking, that's a charge. Oh man, Jesse Williams possessing liquor, Robert White possessing liquor, Saranda, Saranda Martin, negros. Okay, why put that there? Don't like that. possessing liquor, Saranda Martin, negros.

Okay, why put that there? Don't like that. It doesn't say that any of the other guys, white guy, negros, South Broadway possessing liquor, James McLaughlin, Vine Street possessing liquor, M.L. Brown running a disorderly house and possessing liquor, again, interesting. There's that, and Robert Scroggins is possessing liquor

and what 20 gallons net you not in time for for the possession charge but like cash wise yeah I don't know what could what could 20 gallons jet fuck how much do you think liquor prices shot up after prohibition yeah that shit was that's like drugs, probably a lot. But you don't need 20, 20 gallons will fuck up a county. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Moonshine too. It's not even, it's not like he's making fucking brandy over here. Yeah.

That's the other part. Like you can drink, you could drink beer all night and not get near as drunk as one shot of fucking moonshine will do. It's banana stuff. It's a different drunk too. Yeah. That's an aggressive drunk. Ooh, boy, yeah. You are so sick. April 22nd, 1923, this is fucking wonderful,

shots exchanged between neighbors. And they don't mean liquor. They don't mean they were getting along and really just trying to. That was not a housewarming party. You pour me one, I pour you one, and then we talk about our lives. No, this is a... That's a great way to put it after all the liquor busts, though.

And this is like what? The day after he's busted for liquor? A disagreement between the Underwoods and Turner's living three doors from each other. Oh boy. You know the Turner family's all crazy. Dad's a lunatic chicken thief. This guy's nuts. They're all crazy. Living three, and there's ten of them as we found out, or eleven or nine. We don't know. There's a lot. We don't know. Living three doors from each other on Payne Street approached serious proportions late Saturday night with each side exchanging shots. The

Underwoods claimed to police, claimed to police called to the scene that the Turner's called them bad names and shot at them. Well one of those is important. Yeah you know and then a shot is bad. The Turner's asserted that they were maligned and shot at themselves. They talk shit and shot at us. What are you talking about? They're lying on me. Ah, Turner got a warrant out for Walter Underwood's arrest. When taken to the police station, he claimed Theodore Turner shot at him.

The bullet whizzing by his head, and he was avowed that he was forced to fire back with a rifle, the bullet lodging in the Turner home. My God. This turned into a melee. Holy, you got a rifle? Yeah, shooting at the house. It's just in the Turner home. My God. This turned into a melee. Holy, you got a rifle? Yeah, shooting at the house. Just at the fucking house.

Enemy could be in there. Yeah, you could shoot grandma or one of the 11 kids. No casualties resulted. Underwood was charged with breach of peace and gave $50 bond for his appearance in court. Holy shit. So there's more on this the next day. The cases of Bob Turner and Walter Underwood,

each charged with breach of the peace following a neighborly quarrel. No, that's not neighborly, is what that is. That's the least neighborly thing you can do. I would call that an unneighborly quarrel, probably, if I had to put a name on it here. Late Saturday night on Payne Street, when the Turners claimed the Underwoods called them dirty names and vice versa were continued until April. And then we never heard about it. April 25th, a couple days, we never heard about it.

May 7th, here we go, 1923. So this is like a week and a half later. More arrests and whiskey robbery. Oh boy, James Brewer, J.C. Rose, and Theodore Turner held by dry forces warrant for another. Dry forces. What a, when they go to bed at night, ah Jesus, they gotta feel like pieces of shit, right?

I'm a part of the dry forces. Oh God. Nothing good is, dry is bad, whether it's liquor or you know, you're trying to fucking, I was gonna say, you're trying to fucking stuff it in an orifice that doesn't want it. One or the other, dry is never good. Dry's terrible, that's so bad.

Not great. James Brewer, young white man of the city, what a great term. Why does it matter? Young white man of this city, which is just funny. That's how Tommy Tutone wrote that song. Oh, it's a guy. Pop child.

In the city. Young white man in the city. It was about James Brewer. It's called the James Brewer song, is the name of it. Was arrested early Sunday morning by Prohibition Agent F.G. Fields on a charge of complicity in the robbery of the Wise Cop Distillery at Midway, April 27th, making the fifth man now under arrest in connection with the case.

Brewer was lodged in the Fayette County jail in default of $7,500 bond. He'll be given a preliminary trial with the other four accused here, which as we know is Ted in the mix here. So yeah, this is interesting. So back then, by the way, there was prohibition, but there were still big distilleries making alcohol and making booze because it's kind of a misnomer that it was just 100% prohibition because you could get, number one, the churches could still get liquor. They needed booze, yeah. So they all got booze and you could get religious exceptions to, the churches could still get liquor. They needed booze, yeah. So they all got booze. And you could get religious exceptions

to have wine in your home. And you could buy wine. So tons of people did that. And also, you could get a doctor. It was like when it was medical marijuana. You could get a doctor to prescribe you whiskey. And you could literally go to a pharmacy and get whiskey. Wow.

And there was still people making it legitimately and they would get robbed constantly obviously. Imagine there was a big cocaine factory in the middle of the city that was a legitimate place that just put out tons of cocaine every day. They'd be getting robbed constantly. Isn't it amazing that nobody robs the dispensaries for the weed? Like they're so happy that this shit's legal. They're like, yeah, I won't bring a weapon in here. No, no, no. What are you going to be carrying out all those containers?

It's not like it's sitting in a big giant garbage bag back there. Small containers. You can carry out all these falling everywhere. It'd be a terrible robbery. Yeah, you'd need a fucking big plastic bag over your shoulder. Most people debit also, so it's not like there's a lot of cash laying around. It's a bad robbery. The other point is just be happy that we got it so goddamn good.

Go make money, come back and buy this amazing weed. And it's so good now. Great concentrates and fucking ridiculous. So they said, yeah, there's federal prohibition agents began a roundup of suspects here and for this robbery one was JC Toppy Rose and Theodore Turner were arrested. Turner lodged in the county jail in default of $7,500 bond. Of course, you know, where the hell is he gonna get that? So that's that is May 7th. May 11th he's arrested again. Oh boy. At 445 o'clock yesterday from the Lexington Herald. Of the

clock. Of the clock. That's how they used to say it. Afternoon, Deputy Sheriff Louis A. Johnson arrested W.A.W. Poindexter and Theodore Turner on charges of attempting robbery and interfering with Deputy Sheriff Joe Houston in the line of duty. Poindexter was released on a bond of $1100 and Turner was placed in the county jail, not being able to make bail. The preliminary hearings been set for May 18th. Poindexter and Turner are also under federal charges in connection with the Weisskopf distillery robbery on April 27th. You know, that we just reported to you about four days ago.

They say 13 men have been arrested or cited to appear before Commissioner Ward Saturday morning in connection with the Midway case. Eight have been released and now one of them was Turner and now he's back. So here it is, May 13th, man confesses to big midway whiskey theft. A.H. Poindexter turns state's evidence. Oh no. Flipped on him. Oh shit. Here we go. An aider held on robbery of distillery.

Is dismissed after presenting testimony, trial of defendants in Weisskopf case. So he is testifying against them. He introduced the prosecution, confessed to being a member of the band, which held up three distillery guards and took 35 barrels and eight cases of whiskey from the distillery. That's so much.

Yeah, they held up the guards at gunpoint. Like this was a hardcore robbery. According, this was, you know, to the sky, pal, one of those old timey, you know. Reach for it. Reach for the sky. Yeah. According to the sky, pal, one of those old timey, reach for it. Reach for the sky. Yeah, according to his testimony, Poindexter was acquainted with the other men arrested before the robbery was committed.

He stated that plans were made on the afternoon of April 27th and that he met other members late that night and went to Midway. His confession is as follows. Here we go, we have a quote. It's very hard to follow him, not knowing whether or not he's a hot child in the city or a negros.

Or a negros. Yeah, that's the thing. Are you? I wish they would specify. Yeah, I don't know if he's a hot child. Yeah. Where are your negros credentials? I'd like to see them.

I don't see it. It's very difficult otherwise. I can't understand the whole story. Remember that small town murder one where they kept mentioning how Asian the kid was and it was like Jesus it was like before and after his name Asian child this who's super Chinese anyway and it was like what is happening right now. More oriental than a rug. Oriental they kept calling her yeah that was fucking hilarious that was hilarious. So here's this confession from here is to quote this hot child in the city. 1130 o'clock on Friday night, April 27,

I met an automobile in which James Brewer, Lee Sarton and Theodore Turner and Dave Clark were riding. According to our plans, I got in that machine, that's a good way to put that in the car, got in that machine and rode to Midway. Another automobile followed us. Tommy Barnes, Pat O'Hara, Toppy Rose and Omer Kincaid were in this one. We arrived in Midway shortly after midnight and waited for the trucks which were to come later. I do not know who were the drivers of these trucks. After the arrival of these trucks, we were notified that the road was clear and we went to the office of the Weisskopf distillery where we overpowered the guards.

I helped tie them together and remove them to a warehouse while we left them, while other members of our gang got the whiskey. Tied them up? Tied them up. Tied up the guards here. Like an old timey robbery. So they said after making his statement, he was questioned by Harry Miller, one of the

attorneys for the defendant. When asked if he had been in conference with federal agents, Poindexter answered that he had. He admitted that he believed he would be dismissed for disclosing this testimony. So like he said, are you doing this to get off on the charges? And he said, absolutely, yeah, I believe I'm done after this, yeah. They're all gonna go to jail, but I'm good now.

So he said that he had not been steadily employed for more than two years, which brought on the accusation that he'd been a bootlegger, which he said, no, it's not true. We're trying to say, you're acting like you're this innocent guy. You're the one flipping, you're the worst fucking one of all right Yeah, what are we doing? How you been? How do you even live your boot? You're a bootlegger

That's how it works So formal charges were placed against the men for conspiring to possess the transport and possess and transport liquor Which they gained by breaking into and robbing a whiskey warehouse of the United States government. It's a government warehouse, okay. You can't do that. The first witness called was Charles Neal of Willsmore, Kentucky, employed at the distillery by the government as a guard. He stated he was in the office of the distillery

when the holdup took place, being tied hand and handcuffed by a group of masked men who put him along with two other guards who were employed by the Weisskopf Company into an empty warehouse. Managing to free themselves, the men called the prohibition officers in Louisville and Lexington. Neil said that he went to Lexington and notified police and started in pursuit of the whiskey trucks.

One of them he overtook about seven miles out of Georgetown. There was a chase with whiskey trucks. Unbelievable. Fuckin' bottles rattling. This was a chase with whiskey trucks. Unbelievable. Fucking bottles rattling. This is awesome. Yeah, this is crazy. Where he summoned aid, the trucks were loaded with whiskey and the trucks loaded with whiskey had disappeared.

He said that he could identify three of the men, two of whom he saw without their masks. Neil pointed out Theodore Turner and Dave Clark. Oh, dammit. As being with the band who attacked him and the other guards. After being questioned by Harry Miller, King Swope and R.S. Crawford he was dismissed as well.

William Logden, tenant of the farm of A.D. Woods on the Huffman's Mill Pike, said that James Brewer came to his residence on the morning of April 28th and asked him for the use of his barn so he could store whiskey. Logden consented and the seven barrels his barn so he can store whiskey. Logden consented and the seven barrels of whiskey were left in his care. He afterward buried the liquor in his yard where it was discovered by federal agents. He buried it. So Harry Miller, attorney who questioned Logden, brought a laugh from spectators who crowded

the courtroom when he asked the witness about flowers planted over the grave of the whiskey. Miller remarked that the quote forget-me-nots would have been appropriate for the occasion. Genius! Yeah he's like yeah I should have because that's a shame. Yeah. Stating that he might get into trouble if it were found in his tobacco farm. His wife was also questioned in this whole thing. Logden was not arrested in connection with the case. That's odd. He's fucking, he's storing, he's storing stolen contraband. That's crazy. And he admitted that he said that, wow, okay. He admitted burying the whiskey stating he might get into trouble. So he wasn't arrested somehow though. Attorneys then asked for records showing names of the persons upon whose affidavits federal agents took out warrants for

Men arrested they were shown that mr. Collins was also questioned as to whether he talked to any of the defendants He replied that he had consulted several persons in connection with the case So they said the deputy sheriff who recovered part of the stolen whiskey Testified that an attempt to hold him up was made by Turner and Poindexter. He tried to fucking hold up the sheriff, these two. Wow. They said the pair threatened his life and followed him in an automobile

several miles on the parkway. This is not how it works. Threatened to kill the sheriff and chased him. And chased him. Cops chase you, generally. You don't chase the cops. Until he got to the station. He rode to the station. Poindexter admitted stopping the truck driven by the deputy sheriff, but denied holding it up.

Saying that he merely wanted to see what was in the truck out of curiosity. I was just curious, so I chased him for seven miles. The cases of Rhodes, Donnell, Ben Harney, and William Drake were set at 11 o'clock Monday morning. Okay, the following men were released on bond, not Ted basically is what we're getting at. Oh no, Turner, no, no, Trucker, that's not Turner. Okay, so he's not, he's still in jail.

Turner and six others were found guilty and sentenced to, you sir, may fuck off, two years in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta. All that for two years. Two years, which seems light when you're chasing fucking sheriffs and holding people at gunpoint and hostage and kidnapping and all this shit. Tying people up. Yeah, that's a kidnapping charge for each person usually.

So yeah, that's crazy. He was released from prison in 1925 and he was hanging out with his brother Wesley and within weeks of being released from prison on August 15th 1925 he's at Wesley's house at 415 West Pine Street and he's arrested again. Well you gotta do something to pay your bills. Yeah well they found a quantity of rare wines and cordials there. Oh. So you had like good shit.

They were selling like to upper crust people, doing people cordials and that's after dinner rich people shit. Right. Stealing from the church or something. Fucking brandy and fancy wine. Lacors. Lacors, yeah. The aperitif and digestif, yeah, all that shit. The liquor had been stolen from the seller

of Dessa Breckenridge, the editor of the Lexington Herald. So he had like a collection of fancy shit that they stole. The brothers denied stealing the liquor, but Ted admitted to transporting it to Wesley's house. I didn't steal it, somebody just gave me all this rare liquor and I just brought it here. I don't know how to how to do that He refused to admit how he got the goods because he said he didn't want to incriminate the quote higher-ups who engineered the whole thing You didn't want to oh, I was trying to say that he's involved in a rocket. I'm a mere pawn in this game

I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy. I'm a I'm a negros and a patsy game. I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy. I'm a negress and a patsy. So Lexington Herald Leader, Monday, August 31st, 1925, two men accused of stealing liquors, but both deny charges is the thing here. They were busted. They found 26 quarts and four pints of imported liquors of various kinds of gin vermouth and fine wines That's what they had the assistant chief of police and patrolman Roy sharp Arrested Theodore Turner while other men was well of the other man was taken into custody by these other two here both accused men denied the charges of the police and They were unable to account for the reputed presence of the liquor though. Then why do you have this? I'm not sure. I can't tell. I don't know. Theodore Turner recently was released from the

federal penitentiary at Atlanta, police said, where he was sent when convicted of being implicated in the Midway distillery robbery of a few years ago. When called in police court this afternoon, the Turner Brothers cases were postponed until Friday. They were placed under bonds of $5,000 each, which they failed to make, and they were held. So the amount of liquor in total was not given by the police that was stolen, but it was believed to be large judging from the large amount of bonds set by the judge, the high bonds. So Wesley, earlier in the year, he had gotten arrested

for public intoxication. And by the way, he's out and about and stealing liquor. Listen to what he did earlier in the year, Wesley. He was thrown in jail for being publicly intoxicated, fucking wrestled a pistol away from the fucking guy in jail, the cop, the jailer. The jailer, yeah. And shot a guy named Wayne Grigsby to death.

Another person in the jail? Yes, an inmate, a moonshiner and fellow inmate shot him to death. How much did the jailer hate that guy? No shit. He got nothing for this. No time, no anything. He was out to steal liquor because he was acquitted during the trial of murder after explaining that he went to the dentist earlier that day and it gave him a shot of opiates and he was disoriented and didn't know what he was doing. I don't remember any of it. Didn't know what he was doing. That's what he said.

Novocaine, I get it. I've been there. Murdered a man. And they said acquitted. Fine. I've done it too. Wow, so if you go to the dentist, you can kill somebody that day and it's fine. Evidently, wow.

So September 27th, 1925, General Rao halted. So there's a brawl starting in the streets. Patrolmen called to quiet affairs on Georgetown Street. Theodore Turner of 714 Payne Street was once more arrested by police yesterday afternoon. He's a fucking mess. Once more. And this time, three charges being drunk, breach of peace, and loitering were lodged against him at the station.

So the patrolman William Curtin and R.H. Preble were ordered to go to Georgetown yesterday, at Georgetown Street, to quell a disturbance which had arisen there when they arrived, according to the story told at the police station. They found Turner, his sister Bessie, if we remember her, one of the prostitute sisters, and two Negroes,

McKinley Allen of 232 Scott Alley, and Clayton Crowe of 417 Oak Street, engaged in free for all combat in an automobile. She was, she's fighting two guys with a bus. She's fighting, yes, it's two on two, her and her brother, versus these two dudes. Wow.

Yes, and apparently in an automobile, they were all in the same car. Fighting in an enclosed space. I've seen, wow. Very strange. I've seen this as a sport now too, but that's crazy. That's close contact. Yeah.

Close quarters, you can't fight in that. With his fucking, his sister, wow, that's wild, with his sister involved in the whole thing. Unbelievable. Two charges were placed against Crowe, loitering in Breach of the Peace, Alan was charged with Breach of the Peace, and Bessie Turner was also charged with

Breach of the Peace. You're right. He, this is fine though, he's let out of jail, Turner here. That's, you know, fighting in a car is no big deal for them It's a family affair. He's then gonna be given though a another problem here, he's gonna be given a Three year sentence because he gets arrested for housebreaking. Oh, he's breaking into people's houses now Yes

and we don't know if this is for all the liquor he stole from the newspaper editor or if this is for an unspecified another thing, which is by the way hilarious that it's in the paper now they're going arrested again. Now the fucking editor has a beef with you because you've broken his house. So every time you get arrested, he's going to call you an asshole and motherfuck you in the paper. He's looking at all the arrest records going this dick again. I can't wait. This asshole. So he's given a three year sentence sometime in this era, but he's let out early we know, because obviously he's a good bet for reform, this guy. It's all fixed now. We know this because by 1928 he's in Cincinnati, so that's how we

know. He, it says, yeah, he was pleaded not guilty for the charge of housebreaking, that's how we know. He it says the yeah, he was pleaded not not guilty for the charge of housebreaking. That's in 26. And then he ends up being arrested for that or being, you know, put in jail for that. So here's just a fun article from below that. And it says tied to tombstone.

Oh, youth said he was stationed in cemetery to frighten girls being initiated into sorority. What? Okay, a young man was found today tied to a tombstone in St. Joseph's Cemetery here with a tattered sheet at his feet. He told the astounded police that he was there because girl students from Bradley Institute insisted on being on tying him up. He said he had been stationed in the cemetery to frighten the girls who were being initiated

into the into the sorority. His ghost like attire and fearsome groans had little effect. The girl sailed in, pulled his hair, ripped off his masquerade and used stout ropes and lashing him to a gravestone. The girls said fuck this weirdo, beat the shit out of him and tied him to a fucking gravestone. Rather than scaring him, they overtook him and beat the shit out of him. That's awesome. Those girls are in. If that's my sorority, you're fucking in. Your sorority is fucking badass. You're badass, yeah. We need chicks like this. Who is the girl who said, no, don't run, let's fuck this asshole up? That's the chick I want to know.

She's cool as shit. That's the sorority that's not getting raped by the fraternities. Not likely. You'll find guys tied to shit in the morning. I was just, I swear, I was just trying to get her to drink from the keg. I don't know what happened. Yeah, right. They all raped me.

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Rinse and repeat until we arrive at the one most important thing on planet Earth that week. Follow Over the Top on the Wondry app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to Over the Top ad free right now by joining Wondry Plus. For the record, this is not a wrestling podcast. No, no, but it is inspired by wrestling. Isn't everything inspired by wrestling, Beatle? Fair point. November 4th, 1928. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the Herman Jacobs & Company clothing store. Uh huh. He approached the car and found two men trying to pry open a rear door near the Dayton Street. Police Doyle, Policeman Doyle drew his revolver, but a lookout he had not seen standing in the shadows near the Citizens Bank and Trust Company shot him in the back. Oh fuck! Somebody was looking out and they shot his ass. Probably didn't know he was a cop, huh?

Who knows? I'm sure he said police when he pulled his gun out, probably. Stopped police or some shit. Or he was trying to sneak up on him with his gun out. Maybe, yeah, that's possible. Somebody just saw a gun and shot him. You see a guy two in the morning creeping up with a gun, you shoot him I guess, right? Through the wounded and falling, Policeman Doyle turned and shot five times at the lookout. The lookout continued shooting and the burglar shot at the officers also. So now there's three people shooting at him. Doyle believed that he struck the lookout once. Otherwise, none of the shots took effect in any direction. This is a quote from the report. The shooters jumped into the auto and sped away. Newport

police hastened to the scene and called an ambulance that took policeman Doyle to st Elizabeth hospital with a bullet lodged in his abdomen. Oh, he's got shot Dial Doyle died from his injuries days later Days later took three days to die. That's not she's three days like fucking reservoir dogs to go off over there He was only 44 years old He's like fucking reservoir dogs to broth over there. He was only 44 years old, wife and three kids under the age of four. Oh dear Lord. Yep.

Luckily he would be dead anyway by now, so it doesn't matter. Yeah. So it was a hundred years ago and all of his kids are dead too, so it's fine. Probably yeah. Yeah, for the most, unless they're like 97, they're dead. So the police followed the leads and eventually indicted Foreman Price. That's a guy's name. Herman Gerke Finan Gerke and Theodore Turner, of course, for murder. By the time police identified the killers, all three had already been

arrested for other crimes. They are all. Oh my God. They went looking for him. Well, he's in jail. We have him all for other shit. He gets arrested every five minutes. If you're looking for him, it's 50-50 whether to check jail or his house first. He's probably gonna be in jail if he's not playing baseball.

This is bad though. If he's a thousand. Murder of a police officer. Of a cop, oh boy. Not good. Turner and Price were in the Jefferson County jail in Louisville. Turner had been convicted for housebreaking

in Paris, Kentucky, and as a habitual offender, he was sentenced to life in prison. He's already in for life. He got out, yeah. None of the three were ever prosecuted for the murder of this policeman, by the way. Is that right? They never were prosecuted for it.

How crazy is that? Cause these got life? Yeah they were, well they end up, they arrest them I guess. It says two men held to grand jury, Theodore Turner and Harry Fennin, this is December 8th, 1928, brought to Fayette County Jail. In the Bourbon County Court Friday afternoon, the county attorney Dee Dee Klein placed Mrs. Belle Jones, one of the four defendants in the Brent and Company attempted burglary case on the stand, who as did the other woman Mrs. Josephine Staley gave damaging

testimony against Theodore Turner and Harry Feeney and he was breaking into other shit. Yeah. Both held there and Foreman Price alias Price Meredith and Jack Leroy now being held by Covington authorities on the charge of robbing the telephone exchange in Covington. They robbed a fucking phone company. Why would they do that? Probably money, pay phones maybe. The Mrs. Jones outlined the detail of the trip herself and her and her associates from

the time they left Covington until they were arrested in Paris. Attorney Raymond Connell, after consulting with Turner, announced that he would not introduce any testimony. Judge Batterton then said that in his opinion, the prosecution had made an almost positive case against the defendant and that he would hold him to the grand jury in the sum of $5,000. Okay.

So that's what's going on here. I guess they said they have witnesses against them and they seem pretty fucked here. So they said that immediately after the trials had ended, Turner and Fennan were taken to Lexington by Chief Link and jailer Henry Bowling, where they were placed in the Lexington jail until the March term of court. It developed at the trial that Mrs. Jones was the former wife of Fennin from whom she's divorced. She should have stayed away. The importance of the arrest of Turner Fennin and Price accused of having entered the office of Brenton Company last Saturday night was emphasized when J.H. Elthridge, manager

of the Crest 5 and 10 cent store in Paris, positively identified Fennin as being one of the two men who on Saturday night, about three weeks ago, entered the Crest store as they were closing at the point of guns, compelled him and his assailant, his assistant, Charles Terry, to accompany them to the office of the store where Mr. Elthridge was made to open the safe, from which they took several bags of money and made their escape. So this is, they're like a robbery crew. No kidding.

They're like fucking Omar and his pals at this point. Like they're going around just house to house robbing shit. Police say this gang for the last few months has been making weekly trips into the bluegrass section robbing stores in Lexington, Versailles, Winchester and other points, then returning to Covington. Jesus Christ, they're just running, keeping base in Covington but running all over the place robbing everything. All over the fucking place.

So also in December 1928, December 12th, headline released from prison held on another charge chicken bob turner 79 let out on Tuesday right let out on Tuesday and immediately arrested in house breaking claim he got out and went directly to go rob somebody he had to go steal some food man he was hungry this is great the first paragraph is hilarious chicken Chicken Bob Turner, 79, widely known poultry fancier. He definitely, that's a great way to put it. He certainly wants chickens. The man loves the club sandwich. He fucking loves it so much. It's amazing. Who has served four terms in the state penitentiary, was released from that institution Tuesday, and before daylight this morning had been arrested again on a housebreaking charge. terms in the state penitentiary was released from that institution Tuesday and before daylight

this morning had been arrested again on a housebreaking charge. He couldn't make it 24 hours without being arrested. One of his sons, Tom Turner, was arrested with him. The veteran defendant, whoever wrote this article is awesome, the veteran defendant and poultry fancier, are great fucking lines, declared that if Tom will tell the truth about this, there won't be any case against me. That's what he said.

That's what his son said. Or that's what he said about his son. Tom, yeah, Tom. Tom, however, As long as Tom doesn't talk. Well, he said as long as Tom tells the truth, in other words, as long as Tom says he did it and not me, we're good.

So Tom, however, refused to absolve his father from blame and both were held in connection. He's like, I'm not fucking taking the heat for this. Turkey Tom and chicken Bob. The theft, the connection, this is what they took, by the way. Three hams, What?

some cigars and chewing tobacco from the SA Glass Grocery number eight at Broadway and seven streets Above which the younger Turner has an apartment this fucking idiot He went downstairs and robbed the grocery store you live above it you jackass He's I know you man, dude. They said I well I know where we can get ham I'd love it. Where can we go get food? I mean, right downstairs. That's the laziest robbery. So lazy.

You know what I'd really love? Just a big ham and then a big cigar afterwards. You know, that'd sound good after I'm done eating. Yeah, well, let's go downstairs. Holy shit. Policeman Jesse Wilburn and Thomas Moses of the Motor Patrol, who investigated the grocery robbery and arrested the Turners, declared that they narrowly escaped injury when they started around the building and a ham came hurtling from the upper window dangerously near their heads.

They threw a fucking ham at them. Take cover. There's fucking flying swine. Salty meat, six o'clock. Oh my god. Run! Fuck it! Run! I think they're just gonna come back. They're throwing sodium bombs at us, guys. Come on. It's pink. It's so pink. The ham was taken to police headquarters as evidence.

Along with other recovered groceries that have been taken from the store. We put it in the fridge because after this trial, we're all having sandwiches. We're all having a Sammy and a cigar when this is done. So the chicken Bob is quoted as saying, quote, this is something I was never charged with before. Housebreaking is a new one on me. Now if it was chicken stealing, I would know better how to defend myself."

Oh, so… Because he's always getting busted for that. I'm out of my element here. I don't know how to… Wow, yeah, I don't know what to say about this. It says, besides his prison experiences, Turner has served various workhouse terms. Several years ago, while serving a term for petty larceny, the aged man was put to work on the city farm cutting weeds.

Unattended, he walked off. Of course he did. And although he has been in custody several times since then, he's never had a chance to get back and finish his sentence. What with being tried for this and that and going to Frankfurt. There's just so many demands on him. He has a hard time getting around to all those places. This is a great, I love this. I would read his column every fucking week this guy because this is hilarious. The sentence which he had finished serving

Tuesday was given him in the circuit court of Jefferson County. Bob is the father of Theodore Turner who's being held at Paris as a suspect in an attempted robbery there. Why? Because you fucked with the editor of this newspaper. Right. You shouldn't have broken into his house, man. So now it's not going to be just a dry recount. They're going to say a known poultry fancier and make people laugh at your ass now.

The turkey tickler. The old turkey tickler. Turkey taint tickler. That's what you are. March 23rd, 1929. Okay. Headline, again, Lexington Herald leader. Trio held in City Hall jails.

Theodore Turner, Foreman Price, who we know that name. And Harry Fennan, again, this is his crew, arrested at Paris on charges of storehouse breaking in connection with a robbery at the Brent seed company were taken back to Paris this morning after spending the night in police station cells at the Lexington Municipal Building the three are being tried in the Bourbon Circuit Court and were brought to Lexington for safekeeping we'll keep them here. They stole seed this time? Were they gonna try to lure the chickens away? Yeah, you're gonna make a trail back to their house and get all the chickens.

Just come in the room. We can go down and fuck one, let's go down, let's walk down and fuck them all. So prior to Friday, they'd been kept in steel cages. Oh yeah, brother, that's right, they had a contest. They had a match. They had a match in there. All of them were bloody. At the Fayette County Jail, a discovery was made at the Jail Friday that a steel plate had been sawed away but left in place. They fucking... Escaped for this. They tried to escape. They were already sawing bars out. These fucking people. They're a

menace. 16 bolts. this is fucking crazy this would have permitted them to escape from the cage 16 bolts had been cut in removing the plate an account of the discovery appeared in the Friday's issue of the newspaper how the fuck did they do that I don't know they snuck in a file or some shit wow this is where they kept them for safekeeping. Like a steel rope, you know what I mean? That you can like saw on a bolt and get it off. It's got to have been that, right? But even if you do that, that just saws off the side. You got to saw off the top of the bolt. This is crazy. I don't know how the fuck they did this. I don't know how they did this. That's what I mean. It's fucking crazy. They said they're permitted. 16 bolts have been cut. an account of the discovery appeared the

prisoners were transferred from Lexington to Paris and returned under heavy guard I would hope so the bourbon County officers carried sawed-off shotguns police say this gang for the police say this gang for the last few months has been making weekly trips to do this. Again, March 24th, 1929, he's in court here, Theodore, and indicted jointly with Foreman Price and Harry Feenan for all of these charges. The case was resumed. There's witnesses here. We have the defense then called two women who were arrested with the three men at the time of the house breaking and then without putting the defendant on the stand announced that they were closing, closed the case for the defense. Upon the reading

of the verdict, which is guilty by the way, Turner's wife who was sitting near him screamed and lamented but was comforted by her husband whose only comment was, well they certainly gave me plenty. Like I guess plenty of chances. He is sentenced to, let's see, you sir may fuck off life in prison. Oh my. Life. It's about time. I mean at what point, you know what I mean? Jesus man. Jesus Christ. They said Turner was formerly a member of the Lexington baseball team of the Bluegrass League in 1919. Who cares? Not a member of the Chicago Cubs. They don't mention that at all. Jesus. That's how big these small leagues were back then, though. That was a bigger deal.

He got Roger's Hornby out. The man fence to Rogers. But the Bluegrass League, Jimmy. It's more important. The Bluebloomers. Mrs. Turner, who was penniless, was cared for tonight at the home of the chief of police. The chief of police took his fucking wife in! That's amazing! That's incredible! You know, the only thing worse than getting life in prison is if the chief of police fucks

your wife. Takes her home to fucking flower. Oh my God. That's amazing. By the way, as he was taken away and for several weeks afterwards, he swore to anyone who would listen that he would never serve time in a penitentiary. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

Ain't gonna happen to me. I'm Ted Turner. What's they gonna do? Well, Sunday, June 2nd, 1929, Turner and Price in jailbreak at Louisville. That's what he's gonna do. Oh my God. He's out. He's out.

That sheriff better watch his fucking ass. I'm telling you. Yeah. Oh shit. Honey, you gotta leave, sweetheart. Let's go. You gotta wipe off and get out. Get the fuck out of here, yeah.

Change the sheets before you leave, though, because I really, we make a mess of that. Bourbon County prisoners with two others saw way to freedom once one of the nation's safest Bastille. So it was once one of the most impenetrable, and now they're just leaking out everywhere. Escape fuels fulfills boasts made by accused men. One had been given life sentence. The other face trial this month.

The other one wasn't even at fucking on trial yet. He hadn't been sentenced four prisoners left behind empty cells, a trail of sod steel bars and a rope of sheets dangling into the courtyard. A rope of sheets. It bars and a rope of sheets dangling into the courtyard. A rope of sheets! A rope of sheets! It's like an old fucking cartoon! This must be the first time it happens. This is the hackiest way ever to get out of jail. Yeah, so this is how Bugs Bunny would escape from jail.

This is awesome. Awesome. Was there a cake left behind with a hole in the middle of it? Oh, the big fucking...where the file came in? Oh my God. They were still at large. There Tom Crawford, ringleader in the break, I don't believe that, I believe Theodore

is always gonna be the ringleader, serving a 21 year term for the murder of Frank Steele, Jesus, so he's a murderer. Ted Turner, 35, convicted in Bourbon County of housebreaking and being a habitual criminal and brought here under a life sentence for safekeeping. They brought him here. Make sure he didn't escape by the way.

That's the best place we can put it. London McQueen, 23, serving five years for carrying a concealed weapon in larceny and Foreman Price, 28, also brought here for safekeeping while awaiting trial for the housebreaking with Turner. The Jefferson County Jail is considered one of the safest in the country. Well, wow. Not anymore. The jailer, Thomas A. Dover said the four men had sawed three bars from the cell doors.

How are they doing this? This is incredible. I always see it in cartoons and like old shows. They'd be like, that's so unrealistic. Why do they do that? Apparently it was fucking real. That's why people actually used to do that. Well and in the old west too, they would take like a spoon or whatever and chip at the bottom

of the bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then at the bottom of the bar you could get it, you could get, because the bars were sunk into concrete or whatever. Yeah, yeah. You don't have to break the bar. You just cut around the bar and pop the bar out and then you can fit. Oh man, this is fucking amazing.

This is unbelievable that they're actually cutting the fucking bar. They sawed through steel bars, three bars from the cell doors, cut through a steel ventilator. Oh my god. Do they have like a fucking welding torch set up with them? What do they have with them? Do they have a pocket torch? Axi-acetylene set up? What's happening?

How are they doing this? Axi-acetylene setup what's happening? Sawed an inch square tumbler of on a door lock Cut out one bar from a window and sawed one end of another bar and bent it So they fucking sawed and bent the bars like a cartoon. Well, they got a saws all How do they do that? How long did all this take? This is so much sawing Nobody was paying attention to them for 10 hours at a time. James, they sawed a deadbolt out of the door. This is crazy. Nobody noticed any of this shit.

Didn't hear it. Cut one bar out from a window, sawed one end of another bar and bent it, forced out a heavy wire screen and after lowering themselves to the courtyard on sheet rope, used a painter's scaffold to scale the 30-foot wall. Oh my god. And where did you get his painter's scaffold? And they had just a 30-foot high scaffold sitting there, too.

Oh my god. I knew it wasn't good. I knew we shouldn't have painted the wall. Damn it, I said, what's the difference if the paint's chipping? Told you. They got Felix the Cat's bag. It just pulls everything out of it.

Oh my god. Yeah, Mary Poppins is over here. The Mary Poppins of prison. Prison Poppins is what we got here. Holy shit. Prison Poppins. Yeah. Oh my god.

So their escape was not discovered until several hours after their break They didn't see all the fucking bent broken and cut shit in the jail. Not at all. They didn't know nobody That's I mean no one noticed shit I I know it's like a cartoon but was the jailer sitting there with his feet up on the desk and his big cowboy hat Over his face while he went like Like the snored with the dog batting at his keys. Yeah, batting at his keys and a pie cooling on the windowsill that the scent is drawing Bugs Bunny to. What's happening?

I suppose the jailers coming in probably saw the scaffolding were like, oh, look, the prison's under construction. And then they and they saw, well, thank God it's under construction. Everything's cut and broken around here. Fucking insane. Yeah, it's all what the hell's going on? I love that they've been lodged there for safekeeping. That's one of my favorite thing in the world.

This is how they noticed. And they just have all the tools. It's unreal. They noticed they were gone after the jailers discovered several steel saws and a knife in their cell. They left all the shit behind. They weren't in the cell, that's also a way to tell. They were removed then to the Fayette County Jail

in Lexington. Oh, that's, they got moved here because they found this shit in their other cell. They had their cell searched and they found saws and all the shit they needed for this, so they took all that stuff away and moved them to a more secure jail, and somehow they got it all anyway.

And then they got more shit. How the fuck did they do that? And they got scaffolding. And they got scaffolding. That's crazy. Several bolts from their cell doors, two steel saws were found in their cell, the jailbreak attempt, steel saws they had.

They didn't take a spoon and chip away at it for six months. This stand had steel saws. This is crazy. That's fucking bonkers. The jailbreak attempt resulted in the men being transferred to this one here, and that's why they're here. Chief of Police Thompson issued orders prohibiting anyone from speaking to the prisoners, compelling the guards

to remain outside the steel enclosure of their cell rooms, five feet from the cells. That's why. Nobody was to speak to them. They were to leave them alone. The men were transported between Lexington and Paris by automobile daily during the trials. Rumors reached the police that Newport gangsters and friends of the prisoners intended to take them away from the police by force on one of the trips. This is the 20s. This is, I mean, this is literally Al Capone

fucking gunning, people were not fucking around anymore. This was crazy amount of crime. Mob was willing to break people out of prison. Oh, fuck yes. It's like the old west. They were still living like that. During these trips, the guards were increased to 10 men armed with automatic pistols,

repeating shotguns and rifles. A follow-up car, also housing armed officers, trailed the prisoners on the trips to make sure they didn't get broken out by the gang. It says verdict made Turner mean man. That's what it says. I'll bet. Yeah. He's probably pretty pissed. Yeah. He was sentenced to his life in prison and he said when it came out he said quote I'll never serve it

Okay, they were like, okay later Turner said that the verdict was all out of reason for the crime, which I agree Probably stealing some booze out of it. Yeah, it's a little much but still this guy's got a record longer than my arm Yeah, they're tacking on all the time that you probably should have done before. That's what it is. Yeah, you're getting that now. And he added that the out of whack sentence has quote, made a mean man out of me. I'll bet.

Feenan by the way, was only sentenced to five years. Really? And this seems, yeah, this seems very silly. A five year term when he was taken from the courtroom, Feenan cursed at the jurors, cursed at the jurors, which I love. I love when they do that, because they're the ones who said you're guilty.

You get mad at other people. Cursed at the jurors, which is obviously fucking hilarious, and also applying an unprincipled epithet to them and said, you would have given me life if you could. You fucking bought and paid for, cocksuckers. So yeah, that's what he got here. Foreman accepted the sentence and was taken to the state reformatory.

Turner's attorney, it's hard to say, filed notice for a new trial which was refused and the case was taken to the court of appeals in its present status. And know he said they talked about him possibly there was a he had a later court date in the end of June and he said I'm sure I won't be there Turner said. So other jailers had refused the men Turner and Price were removed to the Jefferson County Jail to wait the outcome of their cases after the Clark County Jail the Fayette County Jail and the Lexington City Jail to wait the outcome of their cases after the Clark County Jail, the Fayette County Jail, and the Lexington City Jail had refused the request of the Bourbon authorities to house the

men. We don't want these assholes. Paris and Bourbon County officials said last night that they have received warning from Louisville to be on the lookout for Turner and Price. I would fucking say Certainly. So, October 25th, 1929. Months go by. And Turner escaped, Theodore Turner escaped Jefferson to jail, captured. So he is captured at the home of his father. You fucking idiot. He went to his dad's house? He went to his dad's house.

Like criminal guy. You gotta figure the cops are gonna be there for your dad at some point. So this is, around your dad at some point. Yeah. So this is around your dad's the worst place to hide from police. Yeah. He can't stay out of jail for 24 fucking hours. So that's amazing. He was arrested in Paris, Kentucky and whatever.

So there he is. Tonight detectives received a tip that he was at the home of his father. Seven men were sent to arrest him. Turner invited them in, but they invited him out. He came without offering resistance, they said. Eventually, he confessed and admitted he spent most of his time in Madison, Indiana, where he, quote, worked and rambled. At the time of his arrest, he had gotten a job working as a truck driver for a packing company in the area. So he was, he just was

acting like it never happened. Figuring it out, yeah. Yep. So he has sent away for his life sentence on November 14th, 1929, sentence under habitual criminal act taken to Frankfurt. He's 35 and he's being sent away forever now. Yeah, he's got life anyway. Yep. While being pursued through Kentucky by officers for, forfeited his opportunity to an appeal before the time limit in connection with the habitual criminal act. So he lost, he couldn't do his appeal. He was trying to appeal the

sentence and because he was on the run, he couldn't do it. Now the timeline has expired for that. So Thomas Dover, jailer said an indictment against Turner for breaking jail here would be held as a retainer in the case of a parole, in case of parole being granted in the future. That way they could charge him with that again. Turner, with three other prisoners, escaped by sawing the bars off, there we go.

They said that he was recognized, even though he had dyed his hair and grown a mustache. Who was trying to hide? Oh man, so while he's incarcerated, his oldest son, Walter, who had been injured in a car accident on April 21st when a car in which he was riding left the road and went into a ditch here. I guess his son here, oh yeah, okay, he's been injured. Walter and Uncle Robert escaped the accident with cuts and bruises, but a week later Walter Turner was driving home from the hospital with his family in the car when he collided

with another vehicle driven by H.R. Douglas. Elmer Turner, 12, suffered a fractured skull and was killed almost instantly. Remember Elmer? Yeah. Yeah, little Elmer's dead was killed almost instantly. Remember Elmer? Yeah. Yeah, little Elmer's dead now. Almost instantly. Almost a fracture, crushed his head. Oh my God.

Back then when cars got into an accident, it was a motherfucker. Yeah because they didn't have any safety features. No. They didn't have, the car didn't absorb anything. You did. And by the 20s, by the late 20s, the cars didn't look like carriages without horses anymore either. They weren't like those big wooden wheels. And by the 20s by the late 20s the cars didn't look like carriages without horses anymore Yeah, they weren't like those big wheels. They were fucking big heavy steel things that went fast

Yeah, they were fucking dangerous and in the 30s. They were super heavy Well, they were super fucking have super fast to get him real fast. So Walter Turner Who is his other son? Yeah died a day later from internal injuries. Oh my God, he was in the car too. Yeah, everybody dies, kids die. Mamie Turner, the boy's mother, suffered injuries, serious injuries, and the doctors didn't tell her of her son's death for fear the news would kill her.

You're right, she was fucked up too. Mamie Turner's brother-in-law and sister-in-law were in the car and injured as well. How many people were in this fucking car? Maybe that's why. How big was this fucking car? No shit. Douglas was charged with manslaughter. So I don't know. He must have been in the wrong lane or some shit. Driving like an asshole. So that's fucking rough, man. Yeah. Walter Turner, they said this is a, was returning home from accident, brother killed. The newspaper says Mrs. Mamie Oatsen Turner, mother of the three boys,

was severely injured and physicians delayed telling her. The five were in a machine which collided, that just called cars machines back then. It's just a machine. Which collided with one driven by H.R. Douglas of Lexington. He gave himself up and was released on $500 bond on a charge of manslaughter Walter Turner was being brought back to Louisville after just having left the hospital when Sunday's accident occurred last Monday's accident caused him slight injuries

But Clifford Eads was also in it and lost a foot Jesus lost a foot. Mm-hmm January 1st 1931 yeah, Ted Turner escapes prison again. I love it. Ted Turner, 38, former Major League Baseball pitcher. There we go, now we're talking. And John Doherty, alias Callahan, and Donovan, Kentucky convicts, escaped from the reformatory here, police learned today. The two men scaled a wall to gain their freedom, officials of the reformatory said. Although they escaped Monday, the break was not revealed by officials until today, which is Thursday by the way. Didn't tell the public that they

escaped till Thursday. Yeah, police learned. Yeah, that's okay. Turner was serving a life sentence under the habitual criminal laws He had been charged with several robberies and safe cracking cases. Doherty was serving a life sentence for the murder of a Newport policeman He's a cop killer Doherty was also said to have served terms in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois prisons. He's a real fucking charmer that guy Yeah, and a man with nothing to lose to. And he's going to kill cops. Fucking that's dangerous. I don't know how but they escaped. April 2nd 1931 Ted Turner is caught by police. Where? Arrested in Louisville, returned to reformatory. Yeah. Didn't get far.

Successive escapes and recaptures who still faces a life turn. He said that, I guess, him and another fugitive were arrested Wednesday afternoon by Louisville police men who said they, quote, beat them to the draw. Turner, known as a desperate man, was with John Doherty, 47, of Hammond, Indiana, when police found them in a Louisville rooming house. Both made moves to draw their pistols, and Doherty had his weapon completely out of his pocket, but the officers had them covered and they surrendered.

Besides his pistol, Turner had in his pockets a fuse, dynamite caps, and a bottle of nitroglycerin. Ready to fucking let him have it. In the holy fuck are you doing? Who are you gonna blow up? He was gonna blast out of here. I guess so. Like a hole in the wall and then jump through it in the holy fuck. Are you doing? He was gonna go out of here I guess so like a hole in the wall and then jump through it. That's insane He took his capture in good humor and declared police would be looking for him again within a year

He goes I'll be I'm gonna escape again You can't hold me motherfucker Turner and his companion former price al, alias Kid Pricey, why didn't they tell us that earlier? That's great. Were sought after in this vicinity two years ago after they escaped from the jail there. Turner and Dougherty escaped from the penitentiary

December 29th, going over the prison walls. Rewards of $100 each had been offered for them. That doesn't sound like a lot. Turner and Dougherty are under indictment with three other convicts in Franklin County of charges of setting fire to the state reformatory last fall. Oh my God.

He set fire to the prison. That didn't work, so then he escaped. Holy, he's just never gonna stop this guy. This family's amazing. No, he's a problem no matter what happens. I wish, see this, we only have the information that's available from 100 years ago. I wish. I was way worse than this. I wish there was some, we only have the information that's available from 100 years ago. I wish.

I was way worse than this. I wish there was some writer writing his life story that was with them from like 1902 on. I just wish we had everything. This is just the stuff that got into the. The newspaper. That got him arrested. The things that he did that he didn't get caught for

are numerous and crazier. It's fucking amazing, man. So, I can't believe that. By the way, at the time of his arrest, carrying the pistol, the fuse, and dynamite caps, and a bottle of fluid, it's a bottle of fluid, that's a nitroglycerin, a policeman asked him, is this soup?

He didn't know what it was. He thought he had some soup with him, like a thermos. Is there soup in this bottle? And Turner replied, better handle it carefully. It's hot. Nitro-listerin, motherfucker, yeah, it's real hot. Doherty was upset, they said he was understandably surly

upon his rearrest. Turner, on the other hand, took it well and even kidded his partner for his bad attitude. He said, I don't mind going back because any time I want, I can walk out. That's what Turner said. He said that's how he described his latest breakout. He said, I just walked out.

Yeah? If a guy's in for life, they shouldn't be able to, that's, I don't get it. It's crazy that he can just walk anywhere. Makes no sense, man. So he ends up though, the fucked up part is he ends up staying in prison for the next few years. I don't know if he couldn't get out or if they kept a closer eye on him or what. I'd make him walk around nude the whole time. You're wearing like fucking Speedos because I'm looking for files

and anything else you got. Fuck this. He'd be on like a rope on a fucking, like a dog guide. You know what I mean? You're handcuffed to that shit. You can only go as far as this bar goes. While in your solitary cell, by the way. That's just you in there. You're still on a dog run. You got an eight foot dog run, that's it.

That's all you're getting, bro, I'm sorry. Eight foot that way, four feet this way fuck off so he remained a guest of the of the State of Kentucky for the next few years and then acting governor Edward or Edwin C Dawson. No Granted because this used to be a thing Yuletide paroles. Remember that? Yeah around Christmas. That was a thing back in the day They do Christmas paroles, right? Here's a gift. He paroled 54 prisoners of the LaGrange prison farm and the Eddyville penitentiary on December 14th, 1938 Turner who had been in jail since his last escape was what they fucking paroled him Just let him out. What's the difference? We may as well give him one on paper. He's going to just escape anyway.

And if we let him out, he'll be back soon anyway. It's not like he's going to stay out for long. March 24th, 1941. Four men were arrested on vagrancy charges in Lexington and were suspected of being part of a nationwide safe cracking operation. Wow. Yes. Vagrancy back then didn't mean you were like sleeping under a bridge.

Right. Homelessness. It meant you were in a place you shouldn't have been. You're on the fringe of society and we need to put you away. You're creeping around somewhere but you didn't break in yet but there's no reason for you to be here. It's vagrancy. You're here being suspicious before you did anything and we caught you.

No shit. The people arrested for this were W.S. Sewell, Ted Turner, James Turner, and Thomas Turner. All his brothers. His brothers. The latter two were presumably either brothers or cousins. They're brothers, by the way. A newspaper. Sewell was also charged with possessing burglary tools. They weren't just hanging out. Not just hanging out. They said they may be members of a band of wanted, a band wanted in half a dozen cities. Man, they were held. The Captain Hayes received a tip that one of the men was Robert Nicholson who police said is wanted for safe robberies in Covington, Cincinnati, Orlando, and Tucson. That is getting around. No shit.

Covington and Cincinnati are right next to each other. That I get. Just got to cross a river. Orlando and Tucson? And then Tucson. And what the fuck was in Orlando or Tucson back then? Nothing. Nothing.

Not a fucking thing was there. Dirt and mud. Dirt and mud. Yeah, dirt, mud, and alligators. A man said to be Nicholson abandoned an automobile and his pretty companion, Lois Mae Dalton. Was she a negros? Tell me. Good for Lois. She's hot. I'm the pretty companion. This was in New York when postal inspectors surrounded the machine in Newport, his car. The inspectors who had traced him through several states were prevented from

firing at the fleeing man because bystanders would have been endangered They couldn't shoot his car Covington police recalled that Nicholson was captured on the roof of creeks is store on Madison Avenue in Kentucky After in Covington after a safe in the store had been opened and $400 taken Sawing the bars of a Covington jail window where he was awaiting trial on safe robbery charges He escaped by lowering himself from the third floor with the aid of bedsheets Maybe they should fucking make it so you can't do that get some bedsheets that tear really get some real thin ones 11 count these are quality bedsheets. That's the problem. So I've given them strong shit

After his escape Nicholson is said to have left a trail of safe robberies That's the problem. Stop giving them strong shit. Oh my God. After his escape, Nicholson is said to have left a trail of safe robberies which came to the attention of postal authorities when a safe in the Tucson Post Office was rifled. The police has said another of the four men held in Lexington was believed to be Eddie Ralston who was wanted in connection with the robberies. The four men registered as W.H. Sewell, Thomas Turner, James Turner, and Theodore Turner. Sewell was booked on a charge of possessing burglary tools in addition to the vagrancy charge.

Captain Hayes, for more than two months, has been checking movements of the gang, police want, but authorities have been unable to catch up with them. They were in Wichita, Kansas, January 11th, Salt Lake City, January 20th, San Francisco, January 28th, South Port- A week? A week.

How do you get from Salt Lake to- Train. Yeah. Train. That's how it is. Train. Yeah, nope, they're not flying back then. No shit.

South Port, Louisiana, February 13th. So they're like going though. They get done in one place, they get right on a fucking train. Detroit, February 22nd. Wow. Beaumont, Texas, February 28th. They should have got Beaumont when they were down in Louisiana and then went off. Yeah, you passed it.

You passed it. What the hell is wrong with you? So that's a lot. Since then, they have been in Kansas, Missouri, Indiana, Illinois, and Kentucky. My God. Wow. After the incident, after this incident, Turner, we don't know if he either he figured out not to get arrested anymore or he's got better at being caught because he wasn't caught very much after that anymore. I guess his World War II draft card lists

his residence in Kentucky and his employer as W.M. Parish on Glen Avenue. So that's what he's doing after that. I guess he got a job there. 1943, his father, good night sweet turkey Bob. Chicken Bob here. Chicken turkey Bob Robert Lee Turner dies at 86 good Christ He fucking made it man life a crime in the fucking turn of the century and he made it died a free man, too

Golly almost 90 years old Fuck when this guy was born When this guy was born before the Civil War. Yeah When he was a baby they were like, I don't like the unrest with these southern states. There's some, this is weird as they're, by the way, you can't see this, but I'm like bouncing a baby like you do burping him. I don't know, man. I think something's going to happen. I really do. This is weird. Somebody's not going to take this shit. This is crazy. Something's going on. So Ted manages to keep his nose clean somehow for years now. Years and years and then finally February 4th, 1958 at 65 years

old he dies at 4am at Good Samaritan Hospital. Yeah. Wow. It said he was a former professional baseball pitcher starting with the old Bluegrass League. At one time he pitched for the Cincinnati Red Legs, which is not accurate at all. That's a he pitched for the Cubs, not the Reds. Big difference there. But this is 1958. They couldn't get on baseballreference.com and check on that. They probably also don't give a shit. I mean it's just a guy that played some ball. I heard he lived in Sinsey probably played for the red legs. Yeah He's dead Survivors are his wife who's still alive Wow and still married to him

They stayed together Amy stayed with him that whole time through the death of the kids everything in the sheriff Fuck man. Yeah, you're banging the sheriff and everything else his mother's still alive somehow Really her father fucking died when he was 86, 15 years ago. She was 20 years younger than him though. She was younger, yeah, but she's still got to be in her fucking 80s. If he's 65, she's got to be fucking 80. Yeah, she beat her son, that's for sure. She beat him, so she stayed alive. Yeah, so there's that. He also has three sisters still alive Della Ida Mae and Suzy here Wesley John and Tom are also still alive all the brothers They are a hearty bunch man. They're they stay they hang in there these guys

They say he died after a short illness, which we find out was pneumonia I was just gonna say that's probably pneumonia little Little sick, went into the hospital, fucking died a few days later. That shit will, it's so crazy how fast that shit progresses. If you don't get a hold of it and you're too bad shaped, look at that, that's nice. Gravestone, yeah, nice little stone turner. That looks classy. Mamie there.

Yeah. Trying to see when she died, but the picture's really hard to tell. Still alive. Still alive, Mamie Dash, it's just a dash. Wow. She's born around the same time though. It's in Lexington, Kentucky. Um, by the way, because we really didn't have time to do it in there, I have to do this. I had to do mistaken identities here because there's a few that are a lot of very fucking fun here. Okay. First of all,

you have a guy in 1905 here. Theodore Turner and Jim Lewis, alias Smith, better known as Slim Jim. Hell yeah. Slim Jim, I love that. I used to be called that. Oh, raw. Now I'm a fat guy.

I went from that to chunky Jim. Their examining trial is set for blah blah blah. The warrant for Turner's arrest was sworn out by Faye Lewis, wife of Slim Jim, while Slim Jim's arrest was procured at the instance of Maggie Turner, sister of the other participant. The fight which was with knives occurred at Foley's Grocery and Saloon on Patterson Street. That's why you can't have booze in the grocery store, man. No. The grocery stores by my house have wine bars, and that's going to turn into a problem.

I know it. That's a fucking mess. You can't have that shit. That's insane. No. Ted Turner, or Theodore Turner, program director, entrepreneur, on-air talent at Dallas, Texas, Urban One Media Room 360.

So he does famous stuff here. Yeah he's on the radio. Ted Turner, process engineer at Wolfspeed North Carolina State. Yeah. So he's doing that. We have him. Theodore Turner, shipping and receiving at Fourth Floor Equity Group Limited in Albany, Georgia. Ted Turner, freelance copy or freelance book copy editor, proofreader and writer, editing with care. He'll do for you. You got to be you got to be so upset with the being named Ted Turner.

Now it's got to be so brutal to be successful at all because a man's a billionaire. You'll never be the best Ted Turner. And then finally, yeah, Robert Edward Turner III, Ted Turner, obviously, entrepreneur. He was born in 1938. He's getting old as fuck here. He founded TBS and CNN and basically was one of the guys who went all in on cable

when no one else thought about cable. And he won. And he won. He did it. So there you go. That is Ted Turner. What a thing. What a thing What a fucking fun goddamn family. I'm so I'm so happy we did that story that was I

Found this guy completely by accident somewhere. I was like Ted Turner. What the fuck did he do? I was like he didn't do anything and I was like, oh, that's not Ted Turner And I was like, oh but this and the first paragraph of this article about him was all about turkey Bob He won't stop stealing chickens and I'm like, okay, we're doing this fucking guy. I don't care if he did anything, his dad's awesome. So well, it's also before the time of like drugs and such. Maybe just like got a load of Turkey and was like, I am so sleepy. He's just feeling so good.

I'm never going to bed without turkey ever again. This is great. Oh man, Tripp Defend, he does like fucking Danny DeVito and always Sonny, he scoops into his mouth real quick. Oh man, so there you go. If you like that story, tell everyone about it. Honestly, we know Crime and Sports has been around for almost eight and a half years now.

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