Crime in Sports - #419 - Success On Spite - Jimmy Hitchcock

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

This week, we look at a man who started out with a chip on his shoulder, and never lost it. Luckily for him, that landed him a decent NFL career, and the goodwill of the state of North Carolina. This probably also led him to allegedly being involved in a shooting, then being tied up in quite a large scandal involving his post NFL career, real estate. This leads to prison, and a need for Mexican yoga!! Plus, legal updates on LT, and Jarryd Hayne!!Start fighting at an early age, hang around the NFL long enough to have a couple of team records, and throw away all the good will that you've built your entire life with very stupid decisions with Jimmy Hitchcock!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We're going back into football this week, American football, I should say. And we are going, because those are fun always for us. And somebody who played at a time that we know, drafted in 1995. So I mean, right in our wheelhouse here, we're gonna talk about Jimmy Hitchcock. Do you remember this guy?

He's a cornerback. He played for a long time too. Yeah, he played for like eight years. Who'd he play for? I remember him. No, he started out with New England, Minnesota, Carolina. He'd go everywhere for two years.

That was his thing. They'd sign him to a two year deal and then they'd be like, all right, we don't need him. Yeah, that's not enough. That's, hmm, that's probably more deaf. I'll bet a lot of a lot of people that played in the NFL that you never heard of did that because absolutely. Yeah, there's never, you don't hype up a guy that you're about to keep for two years. You never mean that that guy got on the squad because they needed to fill a spot. Yep. Kept

him for a couple of years. He didn't pan out and become a superstar. They move them on to the next one. They signed him hoping he'd be a starting corner. He for a couple years. He didn't pan out and become a superstar. They move them on to the next place They sign them hoping he'd be a starting corner He was a backup corner and then they got another guy who's cheaper coming up or they drink fourth round draft pick They grab the corner. So fuck you you're out or they drafted somebody high and they're like look this kid's gonna be a superstar Goodbye one of the others. So this is Jimmy Davis Hitchcock, Jr. Of course, is that right? Absolutely It never it never stops man with the junior shit. He's born November 9th, 1970 in Concord, North Carolina. That's where he's from.

And he went to Concord, North Carolina High School. Really? So yeah, he stuck around there, stuck around old Concord. His grandmother's name is Roberta, and his father's name is James Davis Hitchcock scene Hitchcock senior, of course No relation to Alfred at all. He has I don't know his mother's name, but his younger brother. He's got Angelo

latte Hitchcock latte la Apostrophe te I'm going with lot latte Hmm. I think it's latte hmm I think it's late I think it's latte no the the emphasis is on the a that's gotta be latte I think it's latte Angelo's mom was like I love lattes she's not a spell it don't spell it well but I know I know I love it he's got another delicious another brother named. We I believe Khadija K a di J a and he has sister. Oh, yes, sis. That's better than latte probably

Yeah, and he has sisters named Roz and and Kim Mm-hmm. All right, so he apparently they went he was born in Concord Then they moved to New Jersey He grew up in New Jersey and then moved back to Concord and went to high school. Wow. So yeah, from NC to Jersey to back to North Carolina is interesting here.

I'm gonna give you some quotes from him. Now, he has a podcast that's terrible lately. Like the last, yeah. For the last like four months or so. Because he has a podcast, he'll probably listen to this, which is funny, because I, yeah. For the last like four months or so. Because he has a podcast, he'll probably listen to this, which is funny, because I, yeah. Does he have guests, are they good guests? I think he has guests, yeah, but he, it's not a.

He has to, right, because it's not about him. Nobody gives a fuck about his, and I thought, great. Well, he's not famous enough to do it on his name, and he's not talented enough to do it on his talent, so in terms of broadcasting. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Right. He played football. So his brain's fucked up. Guarantee you, you're a better football player than both of us, but you couldn't hold our dicks in podcasting, Jimmy Hitchcock. Let me tell you something buddy. Or comedy you saw. Or comedy. Guarantee you we're way

funnier than you for sure. So here is a bunch of quotes from him, from his podcast. So we have no idea if this is true. This is his words, his recollections and whatever makes him feel better, I guess, because there's no like, this isn't like his sister going, Oh, I remember when this happened or any witnesses or anything. So this is a memory he said he has from kindergarten, where is his mom sliding, quote, sliding up under my bed when she was running from someone who was trying to abuse her. He cut her on the back of the leg and really injured her

and she ended up in the hospital. So that's what he, like one of his first memories that he can remember was like kindergarten age. He was running from, he was running from abuse? No, his mom was running away from somebody who had cut her in the leg and ran in his room and just slid under his bed and hit under the five-year-old's bed. That's a fun memory. Well if someone's chasing you with a knife you don't run toward your five-year-old number one. You run away from that kid.

You don't make it so the only thing between you and me is my five-year-old. That's not, because that's how it is now. I'm under the bed, he's on top of the bed. So what does that fucking say? I don't think that's a smart move. This bingo is his name, oh motherfucker. Run in front of him. This is crazy.

Another memory, this is a quote, another memory that I have is we moved to New Jersey and my mom, she was just an incredible protector of her kids. That's ironic after what we just talked about right or she You in front of her one or the other maybe she had her knife under his bed And that's what she was going for amazing protector of herself with her kids with her kids. Yeah We fixed it for you Jimmy. Yeah, my sister had a bully that was bullying her and the bully was 18. Well, how old was she? We went to a school kindergarten through 12th grade, so a K through 12 type of deal here, and we used to walk home from school.

That bully would pull her hair every single day and say, Hitchcock, Hitchcock, and would pull one ponytail one way and one the other way. But sister kept telling me hey don't tell mom but I was just boiling inside eventually when my sister was asleep I went in and told my mom what was going on with her that's good the next day that a boys got a crush on her this yeah I don't know if it's even a boy no it's a girl it's a girl it's a girl quote that's right the next day my mom waits for the girl to get off the bus. See, that's the thing. We think of this behavior automatically as boy shit

because we're like, yeah, that's what we were because that's what boys did. Girls bully less, but girls do bully. Sure. They do, they just stay frequently less physically and more mentally. Right. Mostly mentally about their appearance.

Yeah. It's fucked up. The goal is to cause an eating disorder with them. Yeah. I believe. Or suicide. Or suicide. Yeah, it's so fucked up.

With boys it's to show that I'm tough. Whereas with girls it's to destroy you, it's weird. Boys inflict the harm, girls inflict self-harm, psychological warfare to make you self harm. To make you self harm, yeah. It's fucking weird. Make you fucking force your own hand. Which is exactly how relationships are too.

Men might beat the shit out of you into all that and women will make you want to beat the shit out of yourself. So it's like a... Make you drink till you die. It never ends. They're just training. They're just in training. It never ends. They're just training. They're just in training He'll be dead by 64 this guy I'll run him into the ground I swear to God

Yeah, they're in for the long game. I'll be taking that 401k right about then So she said the next day my mom waits for the girl to get off the bus and grabs her by the hair and slams the girl to the ground. Okay, now it's child abuse. Your mom can't. Well if she's 18, this is two consenting adults maybe. I don't think she's 18. Oh, I guess she was 18. I guess it is. Otherwise, go find her mom and kick her ass, you know what I mean? So I always tell my kids, you get picked on, you tell me. I'll find their fucking dad. I guess I mean, I'm not going to go after the kid, I'll find you. I'm trying to get arrested for this.

I wanna start at the fucking root of this problem. Why isn't their parent doing something about it? Yeah, well the kids like that though too, you know the father probably isn't gonna be in much of a position to make a difference at that point. No, he's probably in a wheelchair. And that's why they're like that. He's in the garage drunk.

Yeah, he's too shit-faced or in jail or something He says alright She's hitting the girl in the face And then she says don't you ever put your hands on my daughter while she was hitting this girl and beating this girl up We don't hit wow The girl's 18 years old, but my mom couldn't have been too much older. Well if your sister Yeah, how could your mom not be older than 18? So it's K through 12, so I guess was your sister a little kid and getting picked

on by an 18 year old? That's a crazy story. That's a crazy fucking story. What 18 year old is wandering around pulling the pig tails of a fucking 8 year old? But if that's the case maybe I'll knock the shit out of an 18 year old If you're 18, you're picking on my eight-year-old now. We're gonna fight. Yeah Throwing down now. Yeah, so my mom's okay. Yeah, I couldn't have been too much older I was seven years old so she was around 24 So he said my mom's 24 and this girl's 18 my mom's beating this girl up and her gun falls out beside her What mom's gun not the girls mom is? Crazy mom took a long time gun to a high school

Wow never mind the gun to a knife fight. Holy shit. She brought a gun to a trapper keeper fight. That's crazy Lisa Frank Wow Her gun falls out beside her. Alright this is the type of woman my mom is. A phenomenal human being, a phenomenal person has been through a lot in her life. I love her to death, that's my hero. So that's- Who may have accidentally shown an 18 year old a pistol.

Yeah. She was lucky she wasn't pistol whipping her. No shit. She says, some of my other vivid memories I have of my childhood is when we moved from New Jersey to North Carolina and we had a serious thick accent. We used to talk like the Northeast talk. You know? How long?

When you're a little, if you move there when you're five though, you'll pick that accent up quick as a motherfucker. Really? Yeah. When you're five and shit, like people who move to even America, if they move before they're about 10, they won't have any accent usually by the time they're 30. That shit's gone. But if you, anything after that, like my grandmother moved to America when she was 16 and she never

lost, came close to losing her accent. I mean, it was just the way it was, yeah. But her sister has a little less of an accent and she was like 12, you know what I'm saying? So it's... Very interesting. That kind of shit. So yeah, she said that we had a serious accent.

We used to talk like the Northeast talk, you know? Before we got our Southern twang back, I'd talk like a Northerner, and what would happen is the kids, they did not like it for some reason. Oh gee, I wonder why Yeah get to a higher grade level and you'll understand once you start or doing history Or get a podcast and they'll come out of you out. You like that too They'll tell you they've told me often. Trust me They used to talk and you know, I'd say,

you know I'd say ball and then they'd ball. What? Ball, but he'd be, oh ball, yeah. I'd say ball with a W and they'd say ball. It's not like ball, it's ball, you know? It's not like ball, it's ball, you know? So we'd just get into skirmishes over the way I talked and it seems like that got, that from time

to time I touched back, I touched down back home in the bottom that I got into a fight which amounted to like what seemed like 365 days of fighting. I don't know what he's talking about. It seems like he has to fight every day because he's got an accent, which I doubt is, it might be true too and maybe in the fucking 70s. It's probably, that's probably an exaggeration because it's got to be frustrating to be like having to have a conversation and then say something and that of meaning of value and then somebody corrects it with like a different pronunciation.

You're like, just answer the fucking question. Yes. What are you talking about? Especially when you know, when you know they know what the fuck you're saying. That's what's fucking annoying down south, because they'll do that. And then at the same time, you'll ask for something to write with and we'll go, Ink pen? And you're like, what?

Ink pen! What the fuck are you talking about? What is that? Ink pen! You mean a fucking pen with an E? I will send Sherman down here, I swear to God. To the ocean! To the fucking sea! I swear to Christ,

you ink pen music motherfuckers. Yeah. It's like, but yeah, when you have a conversation with people that don't travel, and you know what I mean? When you're in a little bubble, you don't go fucking anywhere and then somebody says something to you and you correct my words? I just listened to the bullshit

that came out of your fucking face hole, and now you're not gonna just take what, you know what I mean, fuck off. Yeah, let's go play basketball. Yeah, we're playing, we're ballin'. So, because I remember in the fourth grade, a girl moved, I was friends with her for years, is what I remember, in fourth grade,

a girl moved from Tennessee to New York, where I lived, and came to the class, and she had a Tennessee accent, like a motherfucker. I mean, it was really Tennessee twangy. And everyone went, holy crap, your accent's cool. They're like, oh cool, cause you're different, that's cool. And they were all like, everyone was like, say this. Oh man, that sounds so cool when she says that.

Yeah, say that, come on. And then show me, no wait. So yeah, I know that we're more welcoming. Put it that way. Yeah, but you know that's part of the charm of living in New York is that everything's welcome because it's a fucking melting pot. Well, we expect people to come here.

There is a lot of abrasive name-calling. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's in love and it's affection. Down there the name-calling is from eight. That's the thing. Here's someone, you'll be walking on the street, they'll call you a fucking asshole, you step out off the curb, get hit by a car and then they'll go, no, I got to go help this fucking asshole and they'll go help you.

But you're still an asshole. Come on, asshole. Let's go. Let me help you out. Let's get you an ambulance. Let me put pressure on that wound asshole. Come on. There we go. It's a little different. You're causing a backup with your fucking problems. So Jimmy goes on to say, I had so many, I had so many people that I would get into skirmishes with. I became one of those people that was just a terror in the neighborhood. I became a really bad kid. Okay, now he describes a boy scout trip in North Carolina. I hope isn't true. Let's

put it that way. I hope it isn't true. And yeah, so there's a couple details where I'm like, that doesn't seem physically possible, but the main gist of it I don't know. We'll see he said I was a Boy Scout We went on a camping trip with the troop and I was so excited about going camping I had gotten my bag together and gotten all the things together that I need to get to go camping Jesus that's a lot to say to say I wanted to go camping Wow Whoa, once we got to the campground there was really excited. Wow. Whoa.

Once we got to the campground, there was a fire in the middle and there were tents around the fire. You know, like a campground. Like any other campground. Well, we started roasting marshmallows and I ended up getting lifted for some reason. Or lifted up for some reason. I was like, you got high?

Yeah. He's getting stoned out there. Yeah, what the fuck. I'm in the air after about five seconds of roasting marshmallows and I turn and look and there's the two scout leaders. One's got my hands and one's got my feet and they're swinging me back and forth, back and forth saying, throw the N in the fire. Throw the N in the fire. Okay. I hope that's not true. Yeah. I hope two adults aren't taking a child and

fucking picking him up by hands and feet, calling him a horrible racial slur and threatening to throw him in a fire. I hope to. He's a black guy, yes? Yeah, Jimmy Hitchcock's a black guy. I said he's an NFL cornerback, Jimmy. That's not named Jason Sehorn. Yes, he's a black guy. there have been one starting white cornerback in the NFL in the last 30 years one and it's Jason Seahorn right no starting there's been one starting that's the truth one starting white cornerback in the NFL in the last 30 years it's Jason Seahorn yeah so if you've got a white

child in high school that's playing cornerback the problem away punt returner move them away from that. No, make them, probably toward punting would probably be better. Yeah, not returning. Yeah, returning, you got a 4-3-40? Nope, we'll go kick it then, because we don't need you to return shit.

Kick the ball, Welker. Yeah, that's exactly right. So that's what he said, he said they're saying that. He said, and I'm squirming, and it was so much fear that took over me during that time, but I also had packed a knife in my sock What I had a switchblade that one of my mom's baby daddies So one of the fathers of one of his siblings would always tell me to keep a switchblade in my sock or somewhere You can get to it. That's not where the Boy Scouts tell you to carry it.

They say always be prepared but they don't say with a switchblade in your fucking sock. That sounds like something my family would have instructed you to do. Always keep one on you, you never know. Also, Mr. Hitchcock, that blade's illegal. You can't have a switchblade. Oh yeah, tell a child to keep it in his sock. He said, so I was squirming around and I ended up getting one hand in my sock and I popped it open and they dropped me right away.

Okay, well how would they have been swinging you by one hand? Each person had both hands and both feet. How did you get an arm all the way down to your sock to pull a knife out if they were swinging you back and forth? They're stretching you out. Right. Yeah, that's what I mean. Logistically, it doesn't make sense.

So the story doesn't make sense. And if it happened a long time ago, too, they might have done that, then let him down. But in his mind, he doesn't remember, but then at some point, he popped out with the knife. So who the fuck knows? But he said it popped it open and they dropped me right away. So he said, I was just one of those kids that was really bad and I ran back and me and Brian both got in the tent and I'm sitting in front of Brian with the knife drawn because we're

thinking that they're going to try to throw us in the fire. Later on that night, I got pushed out of the tent literally out of the tent and into the rain They pushed me out while I was asleep and I'm in the rain. I used to sleep so hard like that I didn't even know until later like as soon as the day breaks Okay, so you didn't wake up from being pushed out of a tent or having rain fall upon you for hours You just slept out there thinking that they were still in the tent. That's called a coma, I believe.

I don't think that's sleep. I've not even. That's probably signs of trauma though, right? Maybe. If you can just sleep through anything. How many ambient would it take for that to happen? Like to not notice you're in the rain outside and wake up. And also, who pushed you out of the tent?

Your tent mate or those fucking assholes? Was that where you stayed with Kevin Bacon? That's the other thing, we don't know. He said, who pushed you out of the tent? Your tent mate or those fucking assholes? So is that where you stand with Kevin Bacon? That's the other thing we don't know. He said, yeah, is this Whitewater Summer? Talk to me. Where's Sean Astin, where is he? Was it because of the radio? Where the fuck is Sean Astin?

I don't know what's going on. So that's, I mean, logistically these stories, I don't like, and if you remember something from when you're a kid, you don't remember it exactly right sometimes. So I mean, that could be the gist of it was maybe he woke up and then decided, fuck it, I'll just stay out here and go to sleep. And then later on, forgot he woke up, or 30 years later, definitely forgot he woke up, 40 years later, whatever. So who knows? Or, and there's also the aspect of like fear., if he's afraid of these guys, he doesn't remember this shit, right?

Yeah, that's what I mean who knows but uh, clearly there was something that happened that made him scared But I don't those logistics of that so story sound a little shaky Yeah, I also don't like the fact that that was with the fucking Boy Scouts with the Scouts Yeah, that bums me out so much. No shit He said in sixth grade told he told his mom that if she let him play football that he'd buy her a home someday Which is very confident for an 11 year old to play the NFL if you let me play today I'll eventually do it professionally and make shit loads of my I swear she laughed and said, you know All the kids say that.

When she laughed, it lit a fire under me that made me really want to do it. To show, to disprove that laugh. So I set on my journey in the sixth grade. Wow. I said, he decided there. Mom ended up going to jail, which honestly is not surprising based on the fact that she came to fight a child armed. I'm not surprised.

Yeah, you got mama drew down coming to fucking do this. This is fucking insane. So he said we're virtually on our own raising kids. There's me, my brother, my sister. My sister ended up having babies and then they ended up moving out. So it ends up being just me and it ends up being me and just a brother for a couple years and my younger sisters and my younger brother Angelo. Wow. So from seven, yeah, he said from seventh to twelfth grade he had Bible class and he said it shaped his views because he was really grounded in biblical principles and always wanted my family to just be Christians as opposed to a

few Hindus and you know a couple other people there so he plays football all through the weirdest fucking part is during high school he fucks his knees up so bad that he has his ACLs removed removed he played in the NFL with no ACLs at cornerback you can you can have that done Heinz Ward had no ACLs as well. What John Elway had no ACLs Is that why you walked like that? That's a fact and ran like that. Yeah, no ACLs That's and you know, there's a long list of players. Those are just really Walked funny too. Yep, and no ACL What does it doesn't it It doesn't affect your speed apparently because

one's a wide receiver and one's a fucking cornerback and one was a fast guy before he was old. Yeah. So I mean that's interesting as fuck. I never knew that. I never knew that was even possible. I didn't know you could operate without them. No. Apparently back then they could repair them and then you wouldn't be able to play anymore but if they took them out or you would fuck you up but if they took them out completely then I guess there was a chance you could come back and be fine. I thought you needed that to keep your leg from falling apart. I thought when you walked that was the thing that brought it back. I thought if you take that out your bottom half of your leg will fall off of the top

half of your leg. It seemed to be holding it on. I guess that's the knee. I don't know what's going on there. So he ended up, he almost went to South Carolina. That was to that college and he didn't though he got, he ended up going to the University of North Carolina. So Chapel Hill there. Yeah. Yeah. It's Tar Heels. Tar Heels. So he goes there in 1991. He's there from 91 to 94. He apparently, they say that in the early 90s, he played a high profile role in students' struggle to persuade administrators and trustees to approve a freestanding building for the Sonia Haynes Stone Black Cultural Center. So he-

Tell me what you just said. He, a bunch of students, apparently partially led by him, were petitioning the administration of the school. Oh, they're saving the building. No, they're trying to get a building. Oh. They're trying to get a building to be approved that would just be a building for Black Cultural Studies.

And they would call it the Sonia Haynes Stone Black Cultural Studies Center. I love that. That's awesome. They want to do that. So the the center had an office in the Student Union Building, but a university feasibility study had recommended a much larger space. So they said, Well, let's do that. So he was in there. Apparently, because that year in 1991, a advisory board member named Professor Sonya Hayne Stone prompted students to request and university trustees to approve the renaming of the center in her memory because she died in 91. She dropped that sudden death. So I think she was a younger person.

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Hitchcock said it opened my eyes He said being at the in the in the mix for this for the to try to get this to try to get it to happen Yeah, he said the center helped me become a more diverse person. It helped me express feelings I have about what goes on in the world. It helped me communicate better with people I didn't know anything about and respect their viewpoints if the BBC can do that for ten people It's worth fighting or the BCC not the BBC if my big black cock can do this Or the pretend people. Yeah are the British British news if BCC could do that for ten people. It was worth fighting for

So he got a black history taught to him and it opened his eyes and made him more accepting? Is that what he's saying? That's what he's saying I guess. Yeah, he learned more about other shit. I don't know. Yeah, he has to be saying. Yeah. In 1992, he, Jimmy and three other student athletes formed the Black Awareness Council

to work with other student groups in order to press for this building. The athletes were later joined by George Lynch, who was a big basketball player, if you remember him, and not the guitarist for Docken. And he was a starting forward on the team and he ended up playing in the NBA too. He was on the national championship team in 93 though. So at that point, he's a god at the school. Yeah, no shit. I mean, forget about it.

So they said activism by football and basketball players wasn't usual around there. They usually kept kind of quiet about it. So they got media attention. Jimmy Hitchcock was interviewed on Nightline. How about that? Yeah, he and other students spoke on university campuses, including Vanderbilt, Harvard and

Columbia. Wow. And then in July 1993, funny about three months after the four months after they won a national championship in basketball and got that guy on the team here, UNC trustees voted in favor of a freestanding building. And so they got it. They got that. So he would end up going to jail in USC, well, here's that UNC, I'm sorry,

for different protests he was involved in to get the cultural center going. Some activism shit, attaboy. Some activism jailings, which on this show, we very, very rarely get a jailing for a good cause. Rarely get a good trouble, dude. It's something selfish or like, you know, short sighted or awful. So 1993, the Tar Heels football team, they were not like considered a national powerhouse

for a long time, but in the 90s, they started to get a little bit better. They were 10 and three this year, actually. No shit. The football team. Yeah, they were ended up being 19th in the final AP poll. So top 20, an actual top football team. Yeah, they were ended up being 19th in the final AP poll So top 20 an actual top 20 team. That's amazing that the top 20 is mostly three losses or less. That's crazy Yeah, that's it is. It's it's tough. It's a tough to get in there Well, there's a hundred and six teams back then in 1a

So, I mean that's there's a lot of competition on this team. Also, Freddie Jones Bucky Brooks Corey Holliday is different guys who played in the NFL, Leon Johnson. So, yeah, some NFL players in here. Mike Morton, Sean Boyd, Tracy, or Bracey Walker. I think Jimmy was red-shirted for this season, though, it seems like, because I'm not getting any, oh no, he wasn't, he did play, that's right, he had kick returns, but he wasn't playing

cornerback here. Yeah, he played in all 12 games, no, he wasn't. He did play. That's right. He had kick returns, but he wasn't playing at corner back here Yeah, he's I he played in all 12 games though or no Yeah, he had to have but he only returned one kick for 36 yards. Hmm. Maybe they I don't know. He ended up having a daughter while he's a junior at UNC He will okay have a daughter with somebody. So that's how that goes 1994 tar heels are 8 and 4 so not yeah not bad but a little more toward the mediocre side of the pack here there's a lot better teams in that. That's the bottom 40. That's yeah that's kind of in the middle there so he plays just 93 and 94 really for the team 92 93 94 and he is

ready for the combine for the NFL. Now combine stats here he was 24 during the combine so older than a lot of the kids were. That's interesting his 40 yard dash is 4.62 seconds. Okay 4.6. 4.6, which is not a great starting cornerback speed. That's OK for a safety or somebody like that. But a guy who's got to run off the line with a wide receiver and keep up with him for 40 straight yards, maybe, you've got to be really fast. The fastest guy in the league.

You've got to be as fast as him or faster. The fastest guys are corners and receivers, so you gotta be there. I mean, look at like Deion at like a 4.2, and he was a corner, so I mean, that's how that goes. He has a, his 40 yard, 40 yard miles an hour, that's interesting. They have a, he went 17.71 miles an hour during that time.

Fuck, that's fast. I find that interesting for some reason. I don't know why here. So yeah he's he's doing all this shit and ready to do this he's his height is 70.4 inches. 6'2 what is that? Yeah that would be what 1260 would be five feet so he's 5'10. 5'1111"? Not tall enough to have a 4'6 40 by the way. No, no, no. Yeah, corner you can be big and that's another kind of different corner but you can't be small and small. You better be fast. You better be fast as fuck, weighs 194 pounds, all of that, 4.62 there. Okay, so he's ready for the draft, he thinks he's ready his I guess they say his speed score was

25 out of 100 his size rating was 52 out of 100 and then there's that so those are bad numbers the court this is what they put to is like the basic things cornerback success factors one of the things they're looking for just in basic outline of a cornerback, is faster than a 455, 40-yard dash. Faster than that. He's not there. So that's kind of tough. So the 1995 draft comes around.

By the way, 1995, who was the MVP of the NFL that year, Jimmy? 95? Who the hell was that? Jesus. Fuck, Brett Favre? It is Brett Favre. Is it? Absolutely, absolutely is. I was like, think about it for a minute.

Yep, yeah, the Packers had it all. They had him as the offensive player, the defensive player of the year was Bryce Pop, who was on their team. Oh, Bryce Pop, yeah. Yeah, I think Reggie White came. He might be with the Eagles, huh? Yeah, I think he came the next year.

Oh, did he? Jerry Rice receiving leader, Emmett Smith rushing leader. So all-time leaders in both of those were the leaders in those that year. That's pretty fucking interesting. Okay, so this year, 1995 NFL draft, number one draft pick, who you got? Ryan Lee, I don't know.

We know it's not him. Number one overall, it's a big bust. Oh, oh, then fucking shit. I don't know. He was injured, but he was injured like immediately and it's become a punch line. Oh, it's become a punch line in the NFL. It's got to be a quarterback. Yeah. Nope. Kajana Carter, the running back. Oh, yeah. I would have never gotten that. Who drafted him? Cincinnati, of course, because they're terrible at everything so they drafted him and I think he blew his knee out in like the second play from Scrimmage in preseason and was never the same. He must have been teetering in college then right? There's no way that just happens. Well I mean they went through the whole training camp and all that and these

were the exhibition games that are halfway through training camp started and just second play. boop he fell down. He had to have been hiding something. That's possible. And number two overall though, Cincinnati has to kick themselves in the ass as they've sure they've done a million times over their 60 years of futility that they've had. Number two overall, Tony Baccelli, the hall of fame left tackle to the Jags who played for fucking ever and was a great player.

Number three overall, another guy that could have changed your franchise, Steve McNair. Number three, Aaron McNair, who we've done a bonus episode about. If you kept him up there in Cincy, maybe you wouldn't have found that bitch that shot him. That's exactly right. Maybe he would have stayed there. Michael Westbrook, the wide receiver at four. Kerry Collins at five.

Quarterback Kerry Collins. So a little bit of that. You don't get, and you get like Kyle Brady, J.J. Stokes, Joey Galloway, a bunch of kind of mediocre guys, then number 11 overall is Warren Sapp, another Hall of Famer. Really? Yep, another Hall of Famer there.

Then number 23 overall, after a bunch of Hugh Douglas's and Tyrone Wheatley's and guys like that, although Oakland got Napoleon Kaufman, who was a nice player. He's good, yeah. And so is Hugh Douglas, actually. He was good, too. You get Ty Law, another Hall of Famer.

New England drafted him. And then 28th overall, Tampa again, two picks, fucking 16 picks apart. They pick another Hall of Famer, Derek Brooks. What? They got Derek Brooks and Hall of Famer, Derek Brooks. What? They got Derek Brooks and Warren Snow? Yeah, two Hall of Famers in the same round they got. That's impressive.

That'll change your defense right there. Round two is just a bunch of guys you've never heard of. A lot of Ron Davises and fucking... Not a lot of Jimmy Hitchcocks, huh? No, Sherman Williams, guys like that, you know. And then finally in round three, pick, by the way, in round three there is a Hall of Famer at around three. Curtis Martin, picked by New England in the third round.

Yep, there you go. New England had him? New England picked him in the third round, yep. They got him and then later on in the third round, New England has another pick and they pick Jimmy Hitchcock with the 88th overall pick. Fuck, that's almost done, right? There's seven rounds, but still, that's the type of guy that if they had a mediocre corner

who's a veteran, who's a backup, that guy's going to get bumped out for this guy because he's going to be cheaper and younger, basically, less chance of injury. And probably running the same speed at this point. That's what I mean same thing 1995 New England Patriots roster here and TN year they're six and ten under Bill Parcells that year that's when he took them over and the next year they went to the Super Bowl so yeah there's that on the team you have definitely not Tom Brady I'll tell you that's fucking much no you got blood soledsoe for sure there yeah. You got Bledsoe, you got Troy Brown the wide receiver, guys like that. What's his name on the team

here? Hold on. Bob Cratch. I remember that name. I always thought that was the worst name. Is that a lineman? Bob Cratch is a right guard in one of those. And I also like Andre President. That's a great name. President! Andre President is his last fucking name. That's amazing. And Reggie White, not that Reggie White, a different Reggie White is on the team. He is a nose tackle, a 6'4", 296 pound nose tackle though. My Christ! And then Wright's a defensive end, but still, that's interesting. Yeah, just learn the gospel and you can pretend to be a him.

I can do it. I'm Reggie, god damn it. New England though, here with Jimmy Hitch he is he plays in eight games that year starts none Parcells hates rookies by the way. Yeah doesn't like them. So he's not big on playing rookies unless they're phenomenal. He has four tackles all year. So that's all he does doesn't do too much. 1996 now they're 11 and 5 New England is beat the Steelers in the first round of the playoffs beat Jacksonville in the second round of the playoffs and then go to the Super Bowl and lose to Green Bay 3521 so there's that and yeah so we all know how that

fucking season went that year though he plays in 13 games, starts five games, has two interceptions, and 32 tackles. Now we're talking. Now he's starting to get into the system. And a third round draft pick guy is gonna kinda sit his first year, unless somebody's, you know, they have a lot of injury problems or something.

Next year is not coach Bill Parcells. Do you remember who coached them after Bill Parcells and before Bill Belichick? I do, who the fuck was it? Very, very famous guy. Who was it? Pete Carroll. Oh, that's right, yeah.

That was Pete Carroll's little- And that was a disaster. A complete disaster. They were 10 and six this year and then they fell off the table after that. They were shit. And they fired his ass and sent him back to college. Yep, and he had a huge run there

that broke records and also made people give back Heismans. Broke records illegally. Illegally. So that year they went to the playoffs and beat Miami 17 to three. And I think the next year was Dan Marino's last year, if I recall.

And then they lost seven to six to Pittsburgh. Ouch. That is brutal in the divisional round. Seven to six, man, that's tough. Pittsburgh went to the Super Bowl that year, yeah? That was 97, the 98, no they didn't go to the Super Bowl that year. Oh, it was here before. No, yeah, they went to Denver.

Oh, it was way earlier. Yeah, they went, Denver goes that year. Yeah, Denver did. Yeah, Pittsburgh didn't go again until a few years later, and they hadn't been since fucking 79 or some shit 80. It was the last time they were in the Super Bowl in the early 90s. Oh no no no no no no 96 they were in the Super Bowl against Dallas. There you go. 95 season 96. So you got the year before wrong. Yeah I was thinking that was included in that and I'm like

no that's this is after that what am I doing Yeah, got confused there. So this year, he became the record holder for the longest interception return in Patriots history with a 100 yard run back against the Dolphins. Got it on the goal line. How about that? Picked it on the goal line that year. He started all 15 games and he had two interceptions including the 100 yard touchdown run backs. Which made him look like he did a lot more that year so that's good for him.

And Patriots fans will never forget that. At least for the next 5-10 years. Well the Patriots management certainly forgets it because April 20th 1998 they trade him. What? Yeah they're like fuck that his value has never been higher. They trade him in that highlight to the Vikings for a 1999 third round draft pick. Oh my, for a third round? Which is what he was, so they're like, we don't expect anything much better than you.

That's rough, football does not get good trade value, you always end up with draft picks. 1998, Vikings here, they're 15 and one, that was a badass team. That was a good team, yeah. They were great're 15 and one. That was a bad ass team. That was a good team, yeah. They were great, 15 and one, but then they lost to Atlanta in the championship game. Was that Moon?

That was Warren Moon, wasn't it? I believe that was Randall Cunningham, wasn't it? Oh, Cunningham, yeah. I think that was Cunningham. Yep, Randall Cunningham, he started 15 games that year. Randall was nasty, because Randall was like the the most mobile quarterback ever. And then he got hurt, and then he came back later

in his career as a fucking great pocket passer. Unbelievable pocket passer. Unbelievable how he developed, man. He's a very underrated player, Randall. And in the beginning of his fucking career, oh my god. Like if he played, if 1988 Randall Cunningham played today, yeah, he would own that fucking leader Yeah, my homes is like a not even he's like a Shadow of what Randall was but they have the same skill sets but Randall's was so much to another level

He was bigger and he had that fucking you couldn't tackle him. He was like And then he had an arm he He could throw the ball fucking 80 yards. He even had the record for longest punt at one point. Did he really? Yes. He had a, he, their puncher was hurting. He punted and it was like a fucking 88 yard punt or some shit. Not in the air. It rolled, but still the guy's just good. Just a, he's a, he's got all kinds of power. He kind of, you know, Vic, Vic could have been that how do he not been a fucking idiot. But he had an arm and legs and everything.

And he was a lefty too, so fuck, you couldn't guard that like you guard everybody else. And he was so good. Well, your defense is backwards. God damn it. Yeah. You know, you left your, you know, this side. He's so good.

Yeah, your weak side guy is now your strong side guy, unless you switch everybody around. Cordell was left too, right? No, Cordell was right handed. Is it right handed? Yeah, he was a righty. He was side guy unless you sort of left to right now cordell was right-handed Is it right-handed? Yeah, he was a righty. He was cordell was yeah. He was played everything equally mediocre Yeah, and eventually you learn how to play him and it was nothing. Yeah, mediocre receiver mediocre fucking quarterback. Just mediocre so this year they beat the Cardinals and then lose to the Falcons in the playoffs here.

Offensive coordinator Brian Bilek on that team. Oh no shit. Yeah it's weird because all of his teams are such defensive teams and he's an offensive coordinator. It's very strange here. It's fine too they lost to the team that went to the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl was very handily won. Very handily won by the Broncos.

But that was a bad, that was a tough game too because the Vikings should have won that but whatever. Well 98 he ends up, this is a this is his huge year for Jimmy, it's big. He starts all 16 games, seven interceptions, three return for touchdowns. Wow. And one of them was a 79 yarder which is pretty goddamn good. He led the entire NFL in interception return yards with 242. So he had the most yards off the pick. Three touchdowns yeah. That's pretty fucking impressive. I mean that made everyone in the league go who the fuck is this guy? Wow Jimmy. Goddamn Hitchcock. Son of a bitch. Avoided the Patriots shit the bed on this one. And that's what it must have looked like. 1999 Vikings here they they go 10 and six as well. Dennis Green coaching now there.

And, oh, old ex-Shitty Giants coach, Ray Sherman is the offensive coordinator. Yikes. So this year for Hitchcock, this is a game against the Packers. That little clip from here, they said there was a fourth and one on the 20th, a fourth and one, and there was a 23-yard scoring pass to Corey Bradford with 12 seconds left yeah

that beat Jimmy Hitchcock oh but Brett Favre beat you in the last seconds with a good throw and that's just kind of what he does you know what I'm saying so he either throws a dart or throws it to the other team yeah either one either way it's a dart be careful try. Try to catch that shit. But this caused Chris Carter to fucking berate Jimmy Hitchcock all the way off the field. Oh, shit damn it. His own teammate. Yeah. Oh no. Like you've never fucked up Chris Carter. I'm sure he didn't want to give up the fucking game winning touchdown. And Chris Carter is on offense. So he came onto the field and got you and then sheared your fucking ear the whole walk back. And if he wasn't a fucking veteran that everybody, you Carter is on offense so he came onto the field and got you and then sheared your fucking

ear the whole walk back. And if he wasn't a fucking veteran that everybody you know everybody knew who he was other guys on the defense would have came over and kicked the shit out of him and told him to go worry about your own side of the fucking ball asshole. If we had more points that wouldn't have mattered. Right. But he starts all 16 games has has two interceptions this year. And we've talked about this before.

Interceptions are less, they're about skill, but the difference between three interceptions and eight interceptions is sometimes zero. It's a matter of a tip coming easily, a tip ball, because half of these interceptions are off a tip ball. It falls right into your hands or the receiver falls down. Also sometimes the receiver falls down. Also, sometimes the receiver falls down, it's just you and the ball, so I mean, it depends on your luck in a lot of these.

A lot of picks are luck. Or a quarterback is hit when he throws, and the ball just, it's a free ball, those happen, yeah. Yeah, you can get a couple. Champ Bailey had, yeah, he had eight in one season, and probably five of them were fuck-ups, like not very impressive. Everybody who has 10 picks or eight, nine picks usually has three, four like that, that, yeah. He had eight in one season and probably five of them were fuck-ups like you get three or like

Everybody was ten picks or eight nine picks usually has three four like that that yeah, you know, so February 24th 2000 this is after the season. He returns home. Yeah to and signs with the Carolina Panthers Really? Yep. They signed him as a hometown UNC guy, even though it's in Charlotte and one's in Raleigh, doesn't matter, it's still home state. So yeah, he loved it. He signs a four year, $11 million contract. Wow. Getting his money, so that's good.

And he started 53 consecutive games, his last game. So he looks like a very dependable guy who gets a lot of picks at this point and he says he does not plan to take a reserve role in his hometown not gonna do that he said I'm not content being a backup to anybody I'm a starter in the league and that's the way I want to approach this I'm a competitor and I want to play I expect to be on the field and other fucking new team I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna be playing on this expansion ass shit Yeah, well they were around for they were gonna run for five years five years or six seven years But it's still at that point if you're a free agent

They sign you to a four-year deal you expect they're gonna be a starter at least here So they also have though their cornerbacks Eric Davis and Doug Evans They were the starting cornerbacks the year before and they're both slated to make more than four million a year this season. And you're going to challenge them, huh? Yeah, that's another thing. Money wise, it's hard to displace a guy who's making more than you. So they were talking about, are they going to release any of these guys and all that?

But the Panthers say that all three corners will compete for the starting jobs and training camp. Very strange. I'm going to say Grace at this point. Right now. He just signed a big deal. Yeah. He couldn't be, this is as high as his stock could be. It's going great for him. So 2000, the Carolina Panthers are seven and nine under, I forgot George Seifert went and coached there after the Niners. Completely forgot about that. Wow, that is crazy. Is Kerry Collins the quarterback of this? No, no, he was on the Giants by now.

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But he's gotta be like, what the fuck, man? I would be saying, who gives a fuck, man? They gotta pay me 11 over the next four, this is great. They don't though, they have to pay me what they paid me so far, and then they can cut me tomorrow and I never get another cent, so I'd be like, hey I want to show I'm worth three million dollars a year here. So let me fucking play He has three picks though in two games started and a hundred and sixteen return yards On interceptions and a touchdown do and his touchdown was an 88 yard return. Why wouldn't you play that guy this guy?

He can break it once he gets it. That's interesting because he's not the fastest guy either so that's impressive. He must be slippery. 2001 Carolina is 1 and 15. Holy shit. They were in the Super Bowl in like two years though. That's remarkable that they came back from that. 1 and 15. What a piece of shit season that is. Oh my God. Did Berline get hurt or something? I didn't even see him on here.

He had to, right? I don't know, man. This is... Does he have Bianca Batuka playing and throwing? They had Matt Little start a game. That's one quarterback. What a fucking mess. Who was at the bottom there?

So he started, so Berline definitely got hurt. Chris Wanky started 15 games. The Florida State guy who was 29 as when he was a rookie Remember that he came late. So October 9th 2001. There's an article called the man without an ACL Without two right or just one Well, it said just like Jamal Anderson and Jamal Lewis and all the other players who have suffered season-ending knee injuries in 2001, Carolina's cornerback Jimmy Hitchcock also has serious problems with his ACL. He doesn't have any ACLs.

Yes, indeed. While it can take some players two years to come back from an ACL tear, talking about Terrell Davis and all these guys, they say Hitchcock has carved a nice career out for himself sans ACLs. And the Panthers strength and conditioning coach said, this is extraordinary and unique. I haven't come across anything like this in my 14 years in the NFL. And if I hadn't actually seen it firsthand, I'd say to you, come on, give me a break. There's no way this could be true.

To be honest, I don't even really understand it. That's amazing. Which is not what you want your strength and conditioning coach to say. Your medical guy. You probably figure out how the body works before you start telling me what weights to lift. Your medical guy's like, I didn't know you could live without it. Yeah. You know, shitty said, those are of us unfortunate souls who have blown out a

knee. For me, it ended a collegiate wrestling career that was remarkable for only its unremarkableness. Know that when an ACL goes it makes a loud, sickening sort of knuckle cracking pop, which leaves you with the distinct feeling that the only thing holding your leg together is skin. Now, imagine having that feeling on both legs and then going out and covering Rams wide out Tori Holt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Hitchcock, he said that he first heard that telltale sound and felt that wobble when he was a sophomore in high school. He rehabbed his right knee without the benefit of surgery and was back on the field a year later when he blew out his left knee while celebrating after a blocked punt. Yeah.

Oh, that's horrible. He pulled a grammatica. Yeah, and with the one knee that's bad, he knows it so he favors it, and he probably put a bunch of weight on that one. Too much weight. Oh, damn it. Sure, and did it for a long time

when he was rehabbin' it and tryin' to get it back. He said that, this is what Hitchcock said, we just didn't have the money or the medical insurance, we couldn't afford to fix them. Wow. Sometimes we underestimate the body's ability to adapt. I just think of it this way. What did people do before there was knee surgery? Not play in the NFL would be my guess. Or chopped their legs off and had eggs.

I don't know dude. Fuck man. He said the article goes on to say, well if they were anything like Hitchcock in order to stabilize their knee joints that developed the kind of they developed the kind of quad muscles that would make Arnold wear long pants. Plus, Hitchcock says with a straight face, all the arthritis in there helps hold them together. He means that. Keeps it all together.

He said, then they would build up an incredible tolerance for pain. He said, some days they don't hurt at all and some days the pain is excruciating. Then they'd go on with their careers as if nothing ever happened and the process makes the rest of us feel like surgically repaired cry babies. The trainer guy, the strength and conditioning guy said, all these guys who have hurt knees recently in the back of their minds are thinking, can I come all the way back or have I lost that little edge that made me special? Well those guys should point to Jimmy and think, hell yeah, I can come back. My situation may be bad, but heck, at least I've got an ACL.

Right. Yeah. He said that he not only earned a scholarship to North Carolina in 1995, he was projected as the top cornerback in the NFL draft Until doctors got a look at his knees and then oh So he slid because of it. I don't believe that though. I think that's bullshit because if he had a four six two Forty he's not gonna be the first cornerback taken. They're not looking at your knees to find out What's wrong with them at four six? He might have been a second round late second round pick that slid to the third, but you

weren't going to be a top 10 draft pick. Just be honest here. That's an interesting claim. Yeah, it's a very interesting claim. It's a local Carolina paper with a fluff piece on Jimmy, so they're going to say that. They said in 1997 he picked off a Dan Marino pass and returned it 100 yards for a TD. The following year he swiped a career high seven passes. Um, so he talks about that. Um, he says, I think of my knee, like a door.

Yeah, that's an interesting thing. I never heard of that before. Um, he said that he draws strength and old family herbal remedies from his grandma Roberta as well. She's giving him. What about the door? She's giving him, well I think that's what he's talking about. He's trying to figure out why, but his grandma gives him herbal remedies for no ACL, which is a very weird. Drink this mushroom tea.

It'll regrow your ACL. The hinges. What about my knee as a door, my foot as an end table, my other foot as an ottoman. Yeah, my shoulders feel like lamps today. What is he talking about? The hinges at the top and the bottom are gone and the middle hinge is the only thing holding the whole door together.

So that would be your MCL which goes across it sideways, which if you blow that out you're fucked. I've been lucky to be able to use that door for a long time, but sooner or later that one hinge is going to give way and pop out. Yeah. That's what he said. But he said eventually he'll probably need a knee replacement surgeries here, but he has no intention of doing anything until he's retired.

He said he's doing not doing that. He said that he had a nasty fall in training camp while covering a tight end. And he said, I'm pretty sure that would have been an ACL tear that is if I had an ACL to tear so November 8th 2001 I guess he get there's an article about him giving to a bunch back to North Carolina to this the college for the Stone Center that he helped get up there which is pretty nice. He said he opened up his own pockets for his alma mater. He's pledged $150,000 to Carolina's Sonia Haynes Stone Black Cultural Center.

The gift will help pay for construction of the new 44,500 square foot academic building. The $9 million cost is being met entirely with private gifts. Construction is scheduled to begin next spring. Incredible. Not too shabby. Hitchcock said, I want to show other athletes I'm putting my money where my mouth was.

I want to show that the BCC is a cause not only worth fighting for, but also donating to, I want to give back. And his gift is among the largest to the building fund by a living person. Not somebody's trust that does that kind of shit So that's nice a guy who actually is gonna he needs the money Right and he gives it so he said at first he didn't want to have a room named after him because he thought it was Too much, but then he said he reconsidered after the death of his former teammate Corey Stringer And he said it leaves a legacy for my kids.

If anything happened to me they could see what was important to me and what I did, which makes sense. It's a legacy you're leaving behind. So that's pretty cool. It's Madeleine Barron from In the Dark. I spent the past four years investigating a crime. When you're driving down this road, how do I plan on killing somebody?

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which is pretty impressive. He has three interceptions that year too so not bad but they don't want him back the next year. So August, all that local love and all that shit don't want him back so they cut him. So that four-year deal is only a two-year deal at that point. August 14th 2002 New England Patriots signed Jimmy Hitchcock getting them back getting them back Which is interesting because it's a new coach. Yeah, it's Bella check now. It's bar parcels drafted him So I mean, it's a we're three coaches later now and shit. It's just weird that they would sign him back But they do get him. He's nine and seven are there nine and seven the Patriots are that year

They don't make the playoffs that year. Oh god, that was a glorious year. What a time. If only we could go back in time and relive it. Here is Tom Brady again this year. So there you go, yeah 2002. Okay, so Jimmy on the other hand, on September 6th, 2002, this is right at the end of training camp,

he's caught, he's released done That on September 17th, they resign him again. New England does Somebody somebody got hurt. I think probably that meant the guy in front of him got hurt So they went and got him then November 19th 2002 apparently when this guy feels better. They waved Jimmy Hitchcock again ouch, so that is They wave Jimmy Hitchcock again. Ouch. Ouch. So that is uh He ends up playing one game that year for New England and having no stats whatsoever November 2002

Same time November 20th. He's signed by the Lions Okay, and then November 22nd. He's waved by the Lions. Oh So they only wanted him for two days They took a look at him and didn't like what they saw. And that's it. I don't know. That's it for his NFL career though. Done. Done and fucking done. He played in 101 games, started 61 at 19 picks. Oh no. That's his whole career. So he just gave 150 grand and now he's got no income. Yeah, that's. Magnanimous guy. I know, yeah.

People really like him. I mean, if he's ever homeless, maybe he can go sit there for a while. Yeah, he's got a room, a building. He's got his own room. Get out of the rain. Shit, that's brutal. So he stays very quiet for about six years here.

Really? Don't hear shit from him, doesn't do anything, his name's never in the paper, just retired NFL player. Just living off of that whenever he's got left. Trying to make his way in the world. Then, June 26th, 2008, he's going to be arrested and charged with two other people after, and they're gonna be charged with robbery and assault.

Holy. Yeah, this article says Jimmy Hitchcock and two others were charged after a shooting in Waxhaw. Yeah, this was a big deal. Shooting? They said a former Carolina Panther was charged with assault and robbery after a Sunday shooting at a home under construction in a Waxhaw neighborhood. So they said he played and talked about that. They said the two other suspects turned themselves in late Tuesday. They are Mitchell Antonio Watts and Hitchcock's 34 year old brother Angelo Latte Hitchcock. Hey Latte!

Latte made the paper. I'm so happy. He said both Hitchcocks are charged with robbery with a dangerous weapon and assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, inflicting serious injury. Yeah, that robbery and assault sounded light for what the fuck happened. For shootings. Intent to kill. So they said that Watts faces those charges and a count of attempted first degree murder

as well. Oh boy. Watts and Angelo Hitchcock were in Union County Jail on a $50,000 bond. Jimmy's is a $60,000 bond for some reason. What the shit. Police said the shooting happened after the Hitchcock's got into an argument with 33-year-old Brian Cross who was working on a house on Connells Point Avenue in the subdivision off NC 16 north of Waxhaw. Cross was shot four times in the chest and back. What? But still managed to pursue his assailants because his wallet was taken. These motherfuckers shot him four times and robbed him of a wallet. Unbelievable.

He's working on a house for Christ's sake. He's just doing drywall and he's getting shot and he's and he's His life savings to the drywall job Probably all he had and he's you're not taking my money. He chased him. He gave her but he didn't get him, right? No, he's shot four fucking times in the chest and back and still managed to do that. That's that's fucking wild man What why is this guy involved with anybody, let's rob the construction guy? The fuck is wrong with this guy? The crazy thing is though,

they said that he had to be in court on August 7th and then no word is ever heard about it again. What? Nothing, there's no. No sentence, nothing? No follow up, no charges were dropped, no we tried him and he's not guilt. Nothing. It's just never heard of again. I don't know what, I don't know if they dropped the charges against the brothers and just charged the guy who did the shooting or what the fuck it is.

He might have taken all the brunt of it. I don't know. December 22nd, 2010, his dad dies. Oh no. So that's rough there for him. Yeah, senior, Jimmy Hitchcock, senior dies. September 21st, 2012, here we go. Okay, this is his dipshittery in a nutshell. The article says,

promoters and real estate professionals indicted in Waxhaw mortgage fraud cell. Oh what? Mortgage fraud cell. No, he stays right there. He does all his shooting and robbing in Waxhaw and frauding. A total of 50 real estate professionals

and others charged to date in operation here. Okay. When did he do? He said nine defendants have been charged in the latest takedown in the Operation Waxhaw's mortgage fraud investigation. It's, wow in the Operation Wax House Mortgage Fraud Investigation. It's wow, it's Waxhaw so they call it the Operation Wax House.

Very fucking creative government. U.S. Attorney Tompkins has joined in making today's announcement by Chris Bresie, Special Agent in Charge of Federal Bureau of Investigation and a couple other people here. A second superseding indictment in the Western District of North Carolina charging six defendants with federal offenses including mortgage fraud, conspiracy, bank bribery conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy, and wire fraud. What are they trying to do? What's their scam?

All these indictments here, yeah, they are all handed down by a US district or US federal grand jury. Three additional defendants were charged separately by criminal bills of information accompanied by plea agreements. The mortgage fraud and bank bribery conspiracies alleged in the superseding indictment represent a part of an ongoing investigation conducted by the FBI and IRS into mortgage fraud targeting the Mecklenburg and Union County communities of North Carolina's Western District They said mortgage fraud makes a mockery of the American dream Devastates neighborhoods and wreaks havoc on our financial system. We will continue to go after those responsible and bring them to justice Yeah, we get it. They robbed some shit. Tell us yeah

They said the long-term investigation is proof of the FBI's commitment to protect okay we get it Jesus Christ FBI your your tax dollars hard at work here we know just tell us what the scam is then they go to an IRS guy and he says mortgage fraud creates a significant loss of tax revenue, drives buyers into foreclosures. We get it, it's bad. The word fucking fraud is right there in the title of it. That's all you needed to say. It ruins lives, we know. Lies, that's what that means.

So according to the allegations here, not to hold it any longer, from about 2006 through 2007, a mortgage fraud cell was operating in Union of Mecklenburg Counties, primarily targeting the neighborhoods of Providence Downs South, Woodhall, Chatelaine, Firethorne, Piper Glen and Stratford on Providence. Operations of the mortgage fraud cell, according to the charges, began when a promoter would

agree with a builder to purchase a property at the true price. Okay. So, the cell would then arrange for a buyer to purchase the property at an inflated price. In most circumstances, the buyer would agree to purchase the property in his or her own name and sign whatever documents were necessary in exchange for a hidden kickback. Right. So yeah, they would have somebody buy it basically just to inflate the price. Yeah. So okay, the builder would sell the property at the inflated price, the lender would make a mortgage loan on the basis of that inflated price,

and the difference between the inflated price and the true price would be extracted at closing and distributed amongst the conspiracy. So they would lie. They tell people you're going to pay this much, but you're going to say you're going to pay this much. And that's how it would work. And they get a little something out of it and they'd still have the same mortgage payment and then the money in the middle, the lump sum would go to all these people that were doing this shit. Individuals and entities participating in the alleged mortgage fraud activities included

promoters, mortgage brokers, lawyers, real estate agents, builders, and buyers. The bill of indictment also describes a bank bribery conspiracy to bribe a bank insider to provide false verifications of deposit and an embezzlement scheme by attorney Michael Mallard or Michelle Mallard from her trust account This is not good. No, this is very Complicated to that. They're like Yeah, making value be a property be valued at a higher value But where does that money go just in their fucking pockets, but I was it recovered it isn't nope. It's gone. It's spent pockets but how is it recovered? It isn't. Nope it's gone it's spent. So this is here the one guy Chris Bellin is charged with mortgage fraud conspiracy money laundering participated

as a real estate agent and a promoter in the scheme. We have James E. Fink which couldn't be a better name for a fraud guy here. He's a builder, a builder involved in the scheme. Jimmy Hitchcock of Raleigh, charged with mortgage fraud, bank bribery and money laundering conspiracies. There's got to be millions of dollars involved, right? Fuck, after a while, yeah, that adds up if you do this with a whole new subdivision or a whole, that's crazy. He was a promoter in the scheme and he is in federal custody pending a detention hearing,

so he is actually in jail. A lot of these people are still yet to appear, but he's sitting in fucking jail. There's all sorts of people. Builder from Charlotte, what is this, a broker who participated, all these people, Jesus Christ. The mortgage fraud conspiracy charge and the indictment carries a maximum prison term of 30 years.

Ooh. Can't do the paperwork crimes. They will get you for that shit. Yeah, those records are ugly. And there's no way to say years can't do the paperwork crimes they will get you shit yeah there's no way there's no way to say you didn't do it because you left a paper trail right right you can think it right it should be punished highly because all you had to do is not do it you had to go out of your way to think of this shit like OJ can say he didn't kill his wife from now till the end of fucking time and no matter how much DNA or proof or

Whatever we don't know right if he went over there and signed a piece of paper that they both signed said I'm gonna kill you now, and she said fine and then chopped her head off. They'd be fucked Because that's what these people are doing. It's all in the paperwork. It's crazy. There's notaries and time stamps Dude, all of these crimes depend on no one ever looking at it. That's the only thing it depends on There's no hidden anything. It's just that it'll go undetected and no one will notice it And when it's money like that the government is so mad because you got to pay your share to the government if you've got Dollars untaxed they are Livid for they come in they come in like the fucking mafia and you own protection money and they're like you're saying this is 10% of your take this week

Come on, it looked pretty busy in here and you're going. No, I swear. It's all yeah. I don't know I saw a line out the fucking door. I think you're holding out on me break your fucking kneecaps So yeah The bank bribery charge carries a maximum term of five years and the money laundering conspiracy Carries a maximum term of five years and the money laundering conspiracy carries a maximum term of 20 years in prison. So he's set up right now for a maximum of 55 years in prison for this, which no one should do 55 years in prison unless they've seriously injured or killed somebody at that point.

You know what I mean? Rape somebody or something. Yeah, that's what I mean, some shit like that. Even hurt children. Did your raper kill them? No? There better be a sexual aspect to this crime. 55 years is fine.

Unless it's rape or death, or near death and now you don't have any legs or something, some shit like that. But otherwise, everything else can be repaired in less than 55 years, hopefully. So the mortgage fraud conspiracy charge and the bills of information carries a maximum term of five years in prison. So Operation Wax House, they're saying, the prosecution for the government is being handled by Kurt Myers and Maria Vento. The announcement is a part of efforts underway by the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force,

which was created in November 2009 to wage an aggressive coordinated and proactive effort to investigate and prosecute financial crimes. This is all because of the 2007 and 8 mortgage crisis when so many it was so many fucking loopholes that needed to be tightened up. And then they had to bail banks because they were the fucking main benefactors of this shit and when we just get that all sorted out and you are now fucking it over what the fuck is wrong with you? There's a lot of people trying to get rid of all of this shit now. They wanted to go right back to that

because we never had a 2007. What happened? I don't get it. Well we did the same fucking thing in the 80s. The fucking economy was good for two years in the 80s. It was good for 85, 86 and part of 87 stock the fucking economy was good for two years in the 80s It was good for 85 86 and part of 87 until the fucking stock market crashed and it was called black Whatever the fuck day it was literally that shit doesn't work and then years 2000 by 2000 were going Hey, let's try supply-side economics again, and that doesn't fucking work and falls apart again And then 15 years later like one more try with that. What do you say? I know every time we've tried it Yeah, I know every time we've tried it since the 60s it never worked But let's try again

And you always got what it does happen and it and even if it inflates it inflates phony and then when it deflates You've got people that have been fucking the system taking advantage of this stuff and now you got to throw them in prison That's yeah, it's the whole thing's a fucking insane mess. So they said there's more than 20 federal agencies 94 US attorneys offices and state and local partners. It's the broadest coalition of law enforcement, investigatory and regulatory agencies ever assembled to combat fraud. Since its formation the task force has made great strides in facilitating increased investigation and prosecution of financial crimes, enhancing coordination and cooperation among federal, state and local authorities, and all that bullshit.

So they said in the past three fiscal years, the Justice Department has filed more than 10,000 financial fraud cases against nearly 15,000 defendants, including more than 2,700 mortgage fraud defendants. Wow. That's a fucking lot. So they have all of these people's names here too. It's a ton of fucking people all over the place. Hitchcock is in the promoters camp here, which it looks like there's a lot of people in the

promoters camp. That's a fucking big deal. That's probably the easy side to do, just like going out and try and recruit and get more people involved Right. Well, yeah, you're saying you can make this money. It's super easy and people go is that illegal and they go I mean, you know, it's a gray area, but no one's I got no ACLs. Who cares? Yeah, who cares? Yeah, fuck it It's also a gray area to play cornerback with no ACLs and a four six to forty time. I did that Why can't I do this? So he in June of 2013 is going to plead guilty to one count of mortgage fraud conspiracy, one count of bank bribery conspiracy, and one count of money laundering conspiracy.

That's a lot, man. He is going to be, they said by the way, Hitchcock's bad dealings incurred losses of approximately four point five million dollars and In addition, so that's how much that was defrauded out of other people in addition Hitchcock personally received more than $500,000 and fraudulently obtained loan proceeds Wow, that's what he's been up to Scumbag. Yep. He was and he sat in federal custody from the time he was arrested in September 2012 all the way up till he pleading guilty in June of 2013. He is sentenced to USA may fuck off 46 months in federal prison. Federal prison. Three years to go. Three almost four years in federal prison followed by two years of probation

Okay, so that was Yeah, that's to be started. Oh, he pled guilty then so that's September 2014. He sentenced him. So there's that June of 2017 here. It's a very very fucking strange thing here. Okay It's a very, very fucking strange thing here. Okay, he, there's a lawsuit, and this is like a out of country travel memorandum here. Mr. Hitchcock, before your honor, on September 26th, 2014, for all the things he did here, Mr. Hitchcock sat in the 46 months, blah, blah, blah.

Supervised release began on January 22nd, 2016. Okay, so he did. Two years from that. Two and a half years he did there. He submitted a request to travel to Quintana Roo, Mexico. Yeah. Not only does he wanna go out of state, he wants to go out of country.

Country, yeah. While he's on supervised release. While he's on supervised release for this. With his girlfriend, and do you know why they wanna go? To loom, to get married. Nope. No? Nope, nope, nope, nope.

I could give you a million guesses, I don't think you get it. It's very important for him to leave the country to go with his girlfriend for a yoga retreat. There aren't any of those in North Carolina? Wow, dude, what says white collar prison more than, I'd love to be able to go out of country for a yoga retreat.

Holy balls. They say he'll leave on July 6th, 2017 and return on July 9th, 2017. He's maintained a stable residence and employment since he's been under supervision. That's good. Was it is the employment? Right? Is it legal? Right? Is he? Is he a boss anywhere doing paperwork? That's I hope not not with fucking money I'm in charge of a bank account somewhere. Oh man According to a supervising officer from the Eastern District, there have been no known incidents of non-compliance.

Terrific. It's recommended by them that he be allowed to travel to Quintana Roo, Mexico as long as he remains in compliance with the terms and conditions of supervision. Right. Which they wouldn't be able to figure out anyway. And the court orders the permission to travel is approved by the court that is that hot yoga get on down to some hot yoga that is june 5th 2017 and since then jimmy has remained quiet yeah uh but there's other people here that you know must feel bad about it

number one a little embarrassing yeah not nearly as bad as i feel. For Jimmy Hitchcock, who is Jimmy Hitchcock Jr. Oh. Yep, he is a football player and Major League Baseball player during the Depression era. Yeah. It's been a while. If you look up Jimmy Hitchcock football, you're getting nine out of 10 of this guy.

This guy was way more famous in his era than Jimmy Hitchcock was in his era. Yeah, Hitchcock attended college at Auburn where he was the school's first all-American in both football and baseball. Wow. Known as the Phantom of Union Springs, he earned three varsity football letters from Auburn from 30 to 32. He played quarterback, running back and punter and led his team to the 1932 SEC or SEC championship. How many blowjobs did that guy get? So fucking many. The girls did not know what they were doing because it was the 30s. He's like, just put your mouth on

it, sweetheart. Don't worry about it. I'll put your mouth on it. Go up and down. We'll figure out the rest later. I'll throw my hips around. Well, once you go up and down a little bit, then we'll start talking about suction. But till then, just worry about getting it in there. Just keep your jaw relaxed. I'll do the rest. Just keep your jaw relaxed, and we'll work it out there. So you wanna keep your teeth

on the other side of your lips, very good. So he was named 1932 Walter Camp College Football All-American Team, and was inducted into the National Football Foundation's College Football Hall of Fame in 1954. And he was also inducted into the Helms Athletic Foundation Hall of Fame in 1966, the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame in 1969. He lettered in baseball and garnered All-America honors in baseball as well.

He played professional baseball for seven seasons, including playing shortstop for the Boston Bees, now known as the Atlanta Braves of the National League. So it was the Boston Braves, not the Bees. I know they changed it for a year. Following his playing career, Hitchcock returned to Auburn as head baseball coach and assistant football coach as well. How many guys are at a major university coaching two different sports? That's fucking incredible. Just having the best life. He also took a position on the University of Auburn, Auburn University Board of Trustees,

which was responsible for the hiring of legendary football coach Shug Jordan. His foot Alabama's baseball facility, Hitchcock Field at Plainsman's Park is named in honor of Jimmy and his brother Billy Hitchcock as well. Outside of sports, Jimmy, this guy served in the US Navy in World War II and also served in a political position on the Alabama Public Service Commission and then he died in 1959 so he only lived to be 48. That's Jesus, that's a hard life man. That is so much action stuff.

That's a lot of victory. Football, baseball, over Hitler, just winning. One day we're beating fucking Georgia, the next day We're beating Hitler who cares. It's all good The award named after him is the Jimmy Hitchcock award. Yeah, it's a program of the YMCA of Greater Montgomery Established to recognize leadership and athletes and encourage others to emulate the man whose memory is perpetuated by this award It was created with the year he died man whose memory is perpetuated by this award. It was created the year he died. Good for him. He played third base for the baseball team,

later signed with the New York Yankees at some point. So not probably with the farm team, you know. So you have to have strong personal character, dependability, 100% effort, team leadership, church leadership, school activities leadership, and scholastic leadership. Jesus Christ, that's asking way too much. I have none of those things. As a child, you have to have all that? All that shit as a kid, which is pretty fucking amazing. Here so the, and then the YMCA, blah, blah, blah.

Okay, there's that. Now, another guy, Jimmy Hitchcock, or James Hitchcock, generating valuable connections for you and your business in London, England. So there's him. Also here, a man who shot self made up story shows off wound to judge. Jimmy Hitchcock pulled up the leg of his jail orange pants to show the judge the gunshot wound in his calf. Holy smokes said Allegan County Circuit Court

Judge Kevin Cronin on Monday during Hitchcock's sentencing. It just says Allegaine. They cut it off short in the newspaper. I have a screenshot. They cut it off short. The wound happened Christmas Eve when Hitchcock shot himself in the leg then blamed the wound on a non-existent attacker. He's guilty of possessing a firearm and filing a false police report. He said it was accidental. The gun fell and went off and I shot myself in the leg. I was just scared because of my previous record what it would look like for me, he told the judge. So Hitchcock could have been sent to jail for a year or more, but the judge sentenced him to only 109 days in jail,

which he has already served, three months probation, and six weeks, whatever, yeah. That's interesting, he said, the defendant has substantially suffered because of his wounds. No shit. So they gave him a thing there. He said that he would like, the judge said

he'd like to have the gun melted down so he could keep it on his desk as a reminder about people making bad decisions. He's going to get a paperweight out of it. And he says, so I can tell people not to shoot themselves in the foot. You could just do that with the gun. You can make it inoperable. Yeah, no problem. No, he's melted.

Put it on my desk. Paperweight that shit. I needed a blob of metal Jimmy's podcast is the P Ast like roast but with a P and with it's an acronym though and it stands for plan of action stop talking Which makes no sense here It doesn't seem to really have a lot going on there. He's also apparently into some weight loss bullshit.

He's a rep at Isagenix, which sounds like some multi-level marketing bullshit. Isagenix? Isagenix, I-S-A-G-E-N-I-X, Isagenix, at Halo's List. That sounds hardcore multi-level marketing to me. I don't know. I mean, everything you're doing sounds like bullshit to me. And his job is listed as rep with Isagenix,

so that sounds like quite a lot of that. So yeah, the POAS podcast, which doesn't seem to be doing too well, honestly, based on the amount of likes and things, don't think it's killing it out there. Can't get enough of Jimmy Hitchcock well. You can head over, get a mortgage and deal with him there. He's probably banned from any of that shit in the future.

Yeah, he's not allowed to do that shit. You can go and get a Jimmy Hitchcock autographed football card on autographed warehouse. It is in his North Carolina uniform. Oh nice. And 95 Leaf, I believe, is is the card and you can get a it also comes with a certificate of authenticity and it's $12. Yeah we went to the Patreon on that. It's $12 or you can get an unsigned Jimmy

Hitchcock 1995 NFL Fleer Prospects rookie card for 99 cents His rookie card everyone is 99 cents a dollar that shows you've not done well His rookie card for cheaper than a hamburger cheaper than a hamburger and so that's Jimmy Hitchcock now before we end though We have an update on another person by the way We have two updates first of all Lawrence Taylor got arrested for not registering as a sex offender, which is fucking dumb. Number two- If you see him, you know he's a sex offender. It's LT.

Well, you know he's Lawrence Taylor, so you know he's a sex offender. Because you know he's- He didn't have to register. Do you not know LT? Come on, man. So then our Dutch rapist, the Dutch volleyball rapist who fucking molested a 12 year old girl I've old for it that motherfucker is allowed on the Dutch Olympic volleyball team Yeah, he's competing for medals and it's one thing for the Netherlands to say okay

We'll let you on the team, but it's another thing for the Olympics to not go no no no He's not allowed on this unleash him on another country no no he's not allowed in the game sorry he's it's we raped a 12 year old so we're not gonna do that multiple times letting him in the country I don't think Canada would let him no Japan wouldn't let him as well England probably wouldn't let him there's a lot of countries that wouldn't let him and he they say in these all these articles that he's staying away from the Olympic Village though.

Don't worry guys, the Olympians are safe. The Olympians who are most of our over 18 are safe. But he just doesn't want to get like beat up by one of the guys on the wrestling team probably. He wants to stretch them out for being a fucking kid rapist. The cocks playing on a fucking rowing team beating the shit out of them with an oar. That'd be great with a fucking big oar. And finally, let's do an update on Jared Haney, who if we remember, he was our Australian

rugby player who then went to play for the 49ers in American football and then obviously wasn't good enough and had to go back. He, June 12th, 2024, this just happened, he was in prison for rape. Was convicted of rape in prison. Well, he wins his appeal from the rape case and walks right out of prison. Where? Set free. I believe it was in Australia, wasn't it?

Wow. Yeah, Newcastle. That sounds like England, but it might be- Very lenient. I would say so. They said it's the prison for the first time more than a year as his rape convictions were overturned on appeal. They said he approached a silver sport utility vehicle. It's in Sydney. Yeah. Outside the Mary Wade Correctional Center in Sydney West just before 5 p.m. Hours after he learned of the outcome of the appeal. Cause that's the thing that sucks. Even if you, if you are, um, not like, even if you are out on bail, I think, but if you're not like out on bail when you get tried or when you have an appeal, even if you get found

not guilty, like OJ got found not guilty and he didn't just turn around and walk out of court with Johnny Cochran. He then had to go back in through all the same procedures and be processed out of jail So I was like had to be searched again and to do all that shit over again. That's pretty wild So apparently he was he was as we know He's been ordered at this point to live with his wife. You live with your wife. How dare you? The court has told him he has to live with your wife. How dare you. The court has told him he has to live with his wife and surrender a surety of $20,000 and not contact the complaintant as he waits to learn

if he will face a fourth trial over rape allegations. I hope his wife is like my ex-wife and makes his life a living hell. Fuck, she might. And imagine now you have to stay in the house and she hates you but you your court ordered to be there Holy shit. He was found guilty of sexually assaulting the woman at her Newcastle home in the Hunter region following the high-profile trial. It was the third time he had faced trial over the same incident. Mm-hmm Yeah, right the second time he was found guilty because there was a mistrial one of the other times He claims it was consensual, but the jury accepted the woman's version of the events that she repeatedly said no and stop

and was bleeding after he pulled her pants off, was left bleeding at the end of it. So he has continued to maintain his innocence and quickly launched an appeal. So he appeared via audio visual link for this, by the way, and the justice delivered the majority decision which upheld his appeal on two of the three grounds argued by his defense team.

The appeal relied on three grounds. First being the verdicts were unreasonable and not supported by evidence at trial. Secondly, the trial judge erred in ruling that the complainant did not have to give evidence about a 2021 interaction with two people she messaged on the day of the alleged sexual assault. And in 2018, and lastly, that the judge's ruling

resulted in a miscarriage of justice. Unbelievable. The Court of Criminal Appeal dismissed the first court, but grant or dismissed the first ground, but granted the second and third grounds.

So not that the verdict was unreasonable and not supported by evidence, but it was more about kind of like appeals shit like legal maneuvering. So they said the court will quash the convictions and order a new trial. This will be trial number fucking five now. Let's just keep doing this.

Wow. Jesus Christ. Whether there's a new trial is a matter for the director of public prosecutions and the appeal was heard and they were divided two to one, the appeals court. So not everybody wanted it. In her reasons, Justice Sweeney concluded that the appeal should be fully upheld because it was quote, not clear to the requisite standard that the woman did not consent to the two sexual acts or If she did not that mr. Haney knew that My own assessment of the quality and sufficiency of the evidence

I have a reasonable doubt that the applicant committed the offenses charged. I am of the view There's a significant possibility that an innocent person has been convicted Okay, by contrast the other dissenting judge here found the appeal should have been dismissed on all grounds because the jury could have been satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt of the, like, we went through this with the jury and they decided twice now. So they said any decision without a possible retrial will be made in accordance with the prosecution guidelines and then they said, I am, this is the prosecutor, I am of the view that in the circumstances of the history of this matter,

to put the applicant on trial for a fourth time would not be in the interests of justice. So yeah, they said that it's unlikely a new trial will be held before the expiration of his non-parole period which he has mostly served. So he's already served out all of his shit. He'd been sentenced to four years and nine months behind bars and, I don't like the way they put it by the way, on charges of digital

and oral assault. They don't mean on your phone. This is fucking rape. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. So he has to be good obviously and live with his wife and do all that shit. The guy representing Jared said that his client should be acquitted rather than face a fourth trial. He argued the woman who cannot be identified for legal reasons had concealed text and social media messages which shows she was consenting. Messages relate to a Snapchat conversation she had with a friend whom she had never met in person.

This woman had messaged a friend before and after meeting Jared where she told her about the sexual encounter but did not say it was non-consensual. So his lawyer, by the way, his name is Mr. Game, Tim Game. Mr. Runninsome Game here argued concealment was the same as lying lying or deception saying that the woman hid her evidence on a large scale. He told the court concealment was front and center in the defense of the case but miscarriage of justice arose when the district court judge Graham Turnbull ruled the defense could not cross examine the woman on her deleted or undisclosed messages with a man and a woman before before and after the incident. So they said she deliberately concealed it and that's what it was. So the court was told the woman had listened to Haney's prior appeal in 2021, contacted the social media friend on Facebook the same day and the message read I hope this was worth it for you. The pain I have endured from all this is unfathomable.

I've never lied. I've never done anything to you. And for you to write something to J.H., meaning Haney, about me having him over does not excuse what happened. I did not tell you because it was disgusting and confusing for me. If he gets out, you can thank yourself. So she's saying this person- I told you he was coming over.

I tell you, and I didn't say it because I didn't know you and I didn't want to expose everything of my life to you at that point. So she said, this has been the hardest, most painful thing I've ever been through and you can thank yourself for helping a guilty person. Okay. So they said the woman had potentially had a view

to influencing the witness account at some point too. So the game told the lawyer it's evidence of dishonesty. It also goes to her credibility in a general sense. She had never met and she said she did not know the person at all is what her lawyer said or what the prosecutor said. So why would she tell her that? But the justices agreed and the justice said by not permitting counsel to cross-examine the complaintant on those topics, then telling the jury that in considering the submission, the complainant had lied about

matters, including deletions from her phone, they should consider whether that was fairly put and that creates an unfairness. Okay, so try it again. Let the jury know about that. The guy's still raped her. Jesus. So July 4th, 2024, This is a game again here. He does some interesting shit. First of all, he called Jared Hain a fine and decent man

and described the rape accusations against him as trifling rubbish, which is a very English Australian way to put that. Imagine if an NFL player's fucking accused of rape and his lawyer calls it trifling rubbish. We'd be like, what the? That is putrid garbage. Putrid, putrid refuse. So yeah, this brings an end to the whole thing and they said there's a second man too

that cannot be named for some fucking reason here. So allegations? Yes, it's unclear if he's also that guy. He's accused of rape and is yet to stand trial. Oh, boy. So yeah, the umbrella of a rel stemming from a Lincoln LinkedIn post praising his character, I guess one of the people a second post, which has now been deleted now emerged of Mrs. Cunneen once again, praising Haney as well as a second post, which has now been deleted, now emerged of Mrs. Kaneen once again praising Haney

as well as a second man who was accused of rape and he had to stand trial. This is somebody who, whoever gets accused of rape, they say they're great guys for social media interaction. There's a ton of people like that. That just, yeah, what are you talking about? I'll say the dumbest thing ever so everyone will click on it. I need angry vitriol.

Yeah, she shared a photo of Haney and the other man drinking some liquor, some champagne at the swanky opera bar in Sydney alongside a caption hailing the two as geniuses and beloved fathers. That's this woman put that out. No greater geniuses in each other's own field and thoroughly decent men and beloved dads. And then says, Jahaney, him, this first guy, and Haney, both falsely accused of trifling rubbish and both cruelly incarcerated in the interim. We pretend we are a civilized society.

Oh, is that right? We're not civilized. Wow. Throwing non-rapists in prison for rape? Jesus Christ. Yeah, We're not civilized. Wow. Throwing non rapists in prison for rape? Yeah that's not civilized at all. Holy shit. So yeah he said that um yeah he agrees that he's a fine and decent man. So there you go everybody that's Jimmy Hitchcock and a little Jared Haney update for that ass. So that's that. Hope you like the updates on the episode. We're going to have some crazy shit again next week too. We got some back into some stuff. I'm going to find some wrestling for us soon, which are always fun. We're going to get into some

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