Crime in Sports - #426 - A Murdery Kind Of Suicide - Jayson Williams - Part 2

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

This week, we start off with a man, being killed with a shotgun, in Jayson's bedroom. The claim is that it was a suicide. Until we find out that Jayson & his friends did a lot to alter the evidence, including wiping Jayson's fingerprints off the gun, and trying to put the victim's prints on it. He denies any wrongdoing, and uses his money to delay the trial as long as possible, and get his own publicity out there! Its Jayson Williams - Part 2!!Buy a 30,000 square foot mansion, collect a $15 million dollar paycheck for shooting your limo driver, and wipe your prints off the gun & take a swim in the pool with Jayson Williams - Part 2!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Thank you so much for joining us today to continue the saga that is Jason Williams And we're gonna get into some fun stuff today some very very crimey stuff We'll say this guy has a lot of crime going on in his life as we'll talk about and a lot of fucked up things happening Here he's he's very irresponsible and he has tons of guns So when you mix those two things together, when you mix together booze, irresponsibility, and lots of gun play, like loaded weapons lying around your house everywhere, you tend to come up with some weird shit.

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Slash crime in sports and you also get a shout out at the end of the show Jimmy You'll fuck your name up. Don't you worry about that? So that said let's get into this with here, too Okay. Now we left off with Jason just retiring and He just got in trouble for pushing a cop That was his latest His latest fuck-up and by the way all of his fuck-ups. I've noticed are alcohol related all of them Seems to be so far. Yeah, every single time he's in trouble. It's cuz he's drunk and that's the problem So I feel like alcohol is a big issue with this guy that he could solve a lot of his problems I think it does it's bad decision juice for him. It really is. Let me get a bad decision elixir if you could.

Can I have a terrible decision and mix that with a bad decision please? Can I get some bullets in that possibly? On the rocks? Yeah. How about a shotgun shell? Now what I did here is I went back and I said for a while, I'm like, I don't want to read his book. I don't want to read his book. I don't want to read his book.

I don't want to give him money. But then I found it on Kindle for like $5. And I'm like, you know what? There's some stuff in here I want to find. So I'm giving him the $5. So I feel like an idiot. But then again, I think the $5 to him is probably less advantageous than being made fun of for like 10 hours straight on three, four podcasts.

So have a beer on us, Jay. Yeah, there you go Jay well a real cheap beer in a dive bar so have that so I went back and looked and he's got his writing is very funny because it's not he's not a writer obviously he just says shit and somebody recorded it and then typed up what he said obviously and it's so it's pretty amusing because it sounds like it's very much in our own in his own words so here's some things that I wanted to catch up on from the first part. Number one is he has like a few things of NBA players like this guy's the cheapest, this guy's the this, this guy's the that.

So we're gonna talk about a few of those just for fun. But I wanted to start out with the story that was glossed over in part one which was his mom shooting at his father in the house. Because that's a formative moment, I would say. Sure. When there's gunplay at home between your parents. So I wanted to find out more about that. And I've got the story here. It is under a chapter entitled, Yoo-hoo.

Yoo-hoo, like the drink, with a dash and an exclamation point. Yes. OK, here we go. We all get our ideas about sex growing up, which is a weird way to start talking about your mom and dad. I mean, strange intro. How else? I don't know. So I guess I can't really talk about sex

without mentioning the time my mother found out my father had been cheating on her. I was 12 years old then. After my mom found out my father had been cheating on her. I was 12 years old then. After my mom found out about my dad, she waited till he got home when he was in the shower. My mom grew up in Brooklyn and was a little crazy. So when he was in the shower, she took his gun and shot three times into the bathroom.

Indiscriminate, no aim, just fire him. Is there anything more terrifying than being naked and soaking wet in a slippery surface while somebody fires guns at you? You can't run. You can't do anything. What do you do? Hunker. You just drop down flat I feel like and try to hide in a tub like it's a fucking tornadoes coming or something. He didn't get hit? No, he didn't get hit. Wow.

So she said that... He got soap in his dick though, I betcha. Oh, he didn't give a fuck about that. His dick was itching later and he didn't care. It was all dried out. He said she was pissed off about that other girl. My father ran out and pushed her down and ran into the bedroom. And my mom grabbed a butcher knife and then came running after him.

I was just lying in bed and my dad came into my room yelling at me, what are we gonna do? We? No. I said, you mean what are you gonna do? She's mad at you, Pop, not me. Like, I don't know, I don't want her firing guns at me. Yeah, once you take the, once you go that way and I'll get under the bed.

I'll say you went the other way. How about that? That's as much as help as I'm going to give you. I'm trying to take cover, man. Yeah, I don't want to get hit by bullets here. He said, my dad climbed out my window. This was in the late 70s and all the brothers are wearing cowboy boots and one of his heels got caught on the window sill and I had to try to loosen it.

Get my heel out, son. He's a god damn it. Try. Can't you stop fucking other people dad? Jesus Christ. Just get my Tony llamas. Wow. When I finally did he fell and hit his head on our bird bath. This is a. It was the only thing holding him up. I would pay to watch what's going on right now in this house by the way. Just this whole scene. Have him coming in, whistling, getting in the shower, gunplay, fucking falling out a window, stuck with his cowboy boots.

My mother heard him and came running out and he jumped into the Yoohoo truck he had then because he was a beverage distributor. So this is probably a yellow truck that's like the happiest drink of all. That big blue riding down the side while he's got his damn post heel wedged in a fucking bellow window. He's lucky he's got his dick put away. I mean, Christ Almighty. That's why he didn't run out naked. He had a Yoohoo distributorship. My mother was chasing him

with her butcher knife trying to stab him through the window and by then I was hanging on the other side of the truck because I figured if she was so tripped out and he got away mom might come after the guy who helped him escape out the window. Me! He feared reprisal for mom. I'm the lookout man now. Oh god he said I rode on the... yeah you got to be like son look out for make sure she's not coming up in a taxi behind us or something, please. Yeah, but now he pitted me against mom and I don't want that. She's the one that's armed.

I rode on the outside of that Yoohoo truck for about 30 minutes. What? He's just hanging out like a garbage man. And it felt like I was going about 60. I think my dad thought my mother must have still been behind us finally he stopped and pulled me in hey dad it's been a half hour I don't think mom's that fast can you let me in the fucking car please yeah we've crossed state lines that Jesus let me in that we're in Connecticut now really I think she's really good she's not that fast

but damn dad I said that was the only time I ever saw my parents argue. That one time was plenty. Yeah, I guess so. I'd rather have- I don't wanna see it ever again. I'd rather have how I grew up with minor arguments spreading over time rather than this. Mom shot Mr. Bubble.

I don't want, why is she firing weapons? They're an apartment, right? Yeah, oh yeah, this is a Brooklyn apartment. They're in the Lower East Side. It's not even Brooklyn. He grew up on the Lower East Side. Yeah, those aren't bulletproof. No, that's a crazy Italian lady is what that is.

That's what that is, which is why I would never marry an Italian woman. No offense, Italian ladies, I love you, but I know how the- I don't need to get shot. I grew up with you, that's why I know already that I will get shot, and I don't need that. or stabbed my mother's stabbed people. Are you kidding me? That's what they do. It's fucking insane

Lord. All right. Here's another story from the beginning that I thought was very funny too here. This is About his I think is his rookie year or a second year or something like that. He's in Philly All right, by the way, this I found out why he didn't go to the Suns, too. He got drafted by the Suns. He said he went there, and Colangelo told him right away that he didn't like his attitude and he didn't like this and he didn't like that. So Jason Williams said, well, fuck you. I don't want to play here then.

You're going to treat me like shit when I just got here. Fuck off. And Colangelo said, he said he got up and swept everything off Jerry's desk, Jerry Colangelo's desk, the old owner of the of the sons right and told me go fuck himself and walked out and Jerry was trying to tell him oh we'll meet in your hotel we'll meet in a hotel we'll talk about it and he said he went to the airport went home told his dad they were they were practically calling me boy I didn't want to fuck in any part of that place his dad said fucking well come on home and you know they it's a

first-round draft pick they're not gonna waste it they'll have to trade it so yeah that's the good part and but playoffs here he talked about the the Sixers made the playoffs and has been in the beginning there and he asked Barkley what they get for because Charles Barkley's a veteran he said what do we get for the playoff bonus and Charles said 55 what do we get for the playoff bonus? And Charles said 55. What do we get for the series? And they lost the series. So he asked him, what do we get for the series?

Charles said 55. So he said, okay, cool, 55 grand. He said, awesome. And he says this, this is how it works when you're a young man with a lot of money and not a lot of sense. Springtime in 1991 and the Sixers are in the playoffs. I might be a dumb benchwarming rookie,

but I'm smart enough to see that we're not gonna make it very far. So I ask Charles Barkley, my drinking buddy and teammate, how much extra money we'll be earning if we lose in the first round, because I'm thinking about summer vacation. 55, he says. Whoa, I say.

Wow, he said the day we lose I go down to the neighborhood and I get 17 kids I grew up with he's gonna go get the whole crew gather them together and I tell everybody to go and pack for a week We're getting out of here Okay, I hire limousines to pick everyone up in front of their buildings. So this is like Yeah, okay. I got the whole first class section of the airplane. Are we calculating what this is costing so far? This is bad.

This is so insane. Put it all on. You get $55. Put it all on my American Express. We fly down to Puerto Rico get seven sweets seven This is exponentially growing. This is such a big it gets worse. Why don't we get back on the plane? It's like crazy Oh worse than that After a week, it's time to come back and we're all sitting in the first-class cabin again. I noticed that everybody has alcohol

Everybody's drinking from those little bottles of liquor they serve on the plane, but I don't see any stewardesses and these guys are holding bottles by the hundreds. He said they had bags that were like, he said bags of bottles is his words. That's fun. Those are two things that hold things. Yeah, bags of bottles. We have bags of bottles. You can't have bottles

of bags though is the thing. That's much harder to do. It's much easier to do with this. Bottles of bags and stacks. Yeah, much easier. So I'm thinking what's going on here? And I asked some of the guys, hey man, how'd you get all that alcohol already? I didn't see no stewardesses come by. And one of my pals says, hey Jay, check this out. He's like conspiratorial too, like you're getting away with something. Jay, check this out man, would you believe it? Every time we would clean out the refrigerator and leave the hotel to go down to the beach, I mean every time,

when I come back and they filled it back up again. Yeah, cause you're buying all that. They're happy to sell you as many little bottles of liquor as you wanna buy for $14 a piece. Holy shit. He said, we were doing this like three, four times a day. I'll fucking strangle you. And storing them up in bags.

So when they walked, it was rattly. So he goes on, no, with five O's, I say. No, please say you didn't he said It's like a kid candy bar out of there Every time but all the booze instead all of it. Oh my god, but sure enough They did they had been cleaning out the fridge three times a day in seven rooms including the three hundred300 bottles of champagne. I felt sick.

I must have drunk 20 of those bottles on the way back to New York just to try to ease my pain. I bet. Well, fuck it, hand them over, assholes. Yeah. I bought them. I bought all these. At the time my father was paying my bills,

I gave him all my money and he paid my bills. He was like this financial guy. So a few days after I get back, my father comes knocking on the door upstairs in my house. He's yelling, Jason, wake up, wake up. What's the matter, daddy? I say, what's the matter? Someone's someone stole your American Express card. All those bastards. He he said this idiot took 17 people to Puerto Rico on your card He said but don't worry. I'm gonna call the police and the credit card company We'll nail that boy who stole this from you. He said you're not gonna have to pay for that lowdown dogs crime He said he keeps going yelling and I and I say, no, no, dad, dad, that was me.

Yeah, I'm the low down dog. I'm the dog. I'm the dipshit dummy. He said he stops and he says, you make $500,000 a year and you go to Puerto Rico, take 17 people, spend $41,000 on that. year and you go to Puerto Rico take 17 people spend forty one thousand dollars oh my god on that and then he got his bonus check and it's fifty five hundred not fifty five thousand and he went fuck cost him thirty six thousand dollars and Charles sparkly said we think you get 55 grand for losing the first

round of the fucking playoffs hell no you're dumb winning the finals yeah so yeah he ended up costing himself you know $36,000 to take all his friends to Puerto Rico so they could drink tens of thousands of dollars in alcohol overpriced booze. Overpriced. Because it's no-sell booze. Yeah, that's what I mean. You could have spent $300 at Walgreens and had the same experience in Queens.

Oh my God, gallons you could have bought. He's drinking expensive champagne and everything else. Oh Jesus. He also has an interesting thing on Barkley where he says that, he always said he likes Charles Barkley but he said toward the end of his career, he said he was just getting older you know what I mean? It's the mid 90s, 96, 97 that's Barkley was getting older and he was just losing some of his game because he's an older guy.

You know he's been playing the league for over 10 years now and he said that Barkley would just drink and drink and drink he he said, because for Barkley, it was easier for people than for him to say, oh, I'm not playing as well because I'm a drunk, then I'm just losing my skills. He goes, that was like his way of not losing his skills. People were like, oh, portrait, what's Charles doing? I wish he'd stop drinking and play well again.

Meanwhile, he said he was just not capable of doing that anymore So I found was kind of an interesting Thought there and it makes a lot of sense. He goes on in his book to say the cheapest NFL or NBA player he's encountered The cheapest Armand Gilliam is cheap. He said right. Yeah extremely cheap also real conservative to from like not like politically but in terms of he would yell at the yellow no no no He would yell at the guys for calling each other the n-word What he's like don't do that and blah blah blah, and they're like

Black is you motherfucker. What are you talking about say whatever I want well? He said Armin Gilliam was frugal. Nah, frugal isn't the word. This boy was damn cheap. He had short arms and deep pockets. He was a special kind of guy. When I played for the Sixers, he lived next door to me in a $400,000 condo, but his lights were never on. So I never believed Armin even had lights.

And he used to store food in the snow especially his cranberry juice what are you doing sir I get cheap whereas like oh I'm gonna wait for that to go on sale and stuff like that but I'll pay for electricity to keep my juice cold that's good I can't wait for winter so that I can shut off the fridge that's a special kind fridge? That's a special kind of cheat. That's a different kind of cheat, bro. That's like, I can picture some of my older relatives that are immigrants doing that, you know what I mean? But not- I can't wait for winter to shut off the fridge. That is a fucking wild thing to say. I've never heard of anyone born in America living like that, you know what I mean? Like I said,

my foreigner relatives, I get it, but not, you're from here, what are you doing? To stick his cranberries in the snow. In the snow. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. He said it was always in the snow. I guess he was saving on the cost of a refrigerator. Yeah, you unplug it. What do you think a fridge costs you

an electricity all year? It says it on the sticker when you buy it. It's like $180 a year. And he's living in a $400,000 condo, which in the mid-90s is a very expensive, that's a luxury, as luxury as you get condo. That's really nice. That thing looks like Weekend at Bernie's condo. Oh, it's beautiful.

It's fucking gorgeous. So wow. He shuts off his fridge. It's beautiful fucking gorgeous, so wow Fridge He said I can still see that big five gallon bottle of cranberry juice Which means he was buying it like a Costco to he's even cheap like that Five gallons, that's what you put in the water cooler five gallons. Yeah, that's what a big gas can I have a gas can that's five gallons. It's huge How much cranberry juice you know the jugs that you get delivered of water? That's five gallons.

That's a lot of water. Did cranberry juice that big jammed in the snow? In the snow. Maybe it didn't fit in his fridge. Maybe that was the problem. That makes sense. Shit. That makes more sense. Unless it takes out the shelves. Yeah, they have to. It would just make it a like a juice fridge. He said, and then one day he had company because I heard people over there and I go outside and look and I see he does have lights. They're on. That's great. It just uses them like the fine china when company comes over. No, this is it gets better. It gets better. Oh my god. He said, and then I trip over something and I see Harmon's whole apartment going dark. No, I had tripped over an extension cord that he had run under my patio and was stealing my lights. He was stealing. He makes millions

of dollars. He's stealing. What the fuck are you doing? He's plugged into the neighbor and it's Jason now. He's a guy he knows even. I'm gonna steal his electricity. He said that boy was more than frugal. I guess so. Armand Gilliam better have so much money now. He better have so much fucking money because otherwise. He's gonna be set.

Oh man. Wow. He's not broke. I know that much. Holy shit. Another guy, best bad dresser he calls it. This is a category best dresser best bad dresser kind of Yeah, I guess you could say well, it's Charles Oakley so it's a it kind of goes both ways Yeah, it's it's good, but it's like he's he's wearing eight thousand dollar suits But they're like cantaloupe colored and shit like that. He's dressing like Steve Harvey for Christ's sake like it's a little weird

He said Michael Jordan was the number one dresser Scotty Pippen learned from Michael, so he was a good dresser He said Kevin Willis is always pretty sharp. I'll tell you who's the worst dressers the white guys Well, there was no pressure among their social group to dress well whereas I read a book about the Knicks and Charles Oakley if a guy was new when he come to the Knicks Charles Oakley would rip his clothes up if they were bullshit. He'd go your clothes are bullshit and he'd rip them up and say you gotta fuck that shit he goes I'm gonna take you I'm gonna take you where to go to get the good clothes. Like he would make you'd have to dress a certain way or he'd fuck you, break your fucking balls.

So he said they invented the grunge look about 15 years ago. Guys like John Konkak, who's maybe the one of the worst contracts in NBA history, John Konkak. He'd be making $3 million a year back then and he'd step off the steam, the team plane like he just got off the surfboard. He said the sharpest dresser and the worst dresser are the same person, Charles Oakley. Really?

He dressed like a pimps fantasy, basically. Fascinating. He said he's got nice suits, but they're always purple and yellow and stuff. Yeah. He said he's got the best suits with the worst colors, but he's 6'10", 265, so nobody tells him about it. Nobody's gonna say anything. No one's gonna say you look stupid.

He's dressing in the colors of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air logo. That shit. That early 90s graffiti colors yeah Fresh Prince graffiti colors yeah and that's fucking wild man and also a guy that big in a bright yellow suit. Oh boy. Holy shit he looks even bigger. He gets attention. Yeah that's everyone notices him when he walks in. Here's one that's I found very funny because in a bright yellow suit. Oh boy. Holy shit, he looks even bigger. He gets attention. Yeah. Everyone notices him when he walks in. Here's one that I found very funny because you hear very little about him personally and that's Hakeem Olajuwon.

Oh. You just see him on the court and he's so controlled and so technically perfect in everything he did and he's pivoting and everything. He said a lot of people think Hakeem Olajuwon is real easy going because they don't see him yelling much and because of that nice sounding Nigerian accent, which it does, it sounds real calm. He said, but Hakeem has a temper. At practice

one day when the Rockets were supposed to be working on free throws, Hakeem takes the ball and starts shooting jumpers. So one of his teammates, a rookie then, he takes the ball from the net after Hakeem hits a jumper and he walks to the free throw line to work on his free throws like he's supposed to do. Yeah. Hakeem says, quote, give the dream his change. Which is hilarious. Give the dream his change.

He uses his own nickname. He uses his own nickname. Give the dream his change in that accent. I love that phrase so much. By the way, we should probably explain, some people don't play basketball and we have international listeners. I'm not sure if it's the same, but if you're playing on a playground or in any basketball court and you hit a jump shot or any kind of shot that's not from four feet away, somebody

else grabs the ball, they give it back to you, that's called your change because you hit the shot, so you get to make another shot. That's how it works. So, and that's internet. You keep shooting. As long as you keep making it, you keep shooting. You keep shooting. You keep giving me my change, motherfucker, and people say that's just a known thing. Or people say change and they give it back to you. So, but dude, the rookie says, we're supposed to be working on free throws. Okay. Hakeem walks over to him and slaps him across the face. Wop. He said, you don't do that.

You must always give the dream back his change. You don't do that. He said, so yeah, dream does have a temper a little bit. Yeah. I would say here. Sing me a song, Hakeem. Holy shit. And then here's another little story about married guys.

Oh. He said, you want to know the quick way to figure out who's married in this league? Look at the, look at the old timers. He said, those old horses who've been playing 20 years aren't all playing because they love the game or they need the money. They're doing it because they got a wife that needs the money. They don't want to be away. No, he said some of them are playing because they don't know how to be home with the wife

and kids. They don't want to. They don't want to be a dad. They want to be an NBA. They want to be an NBA. It's much more fun. Much more fun. Plus, plus it's a very common thing in sports is when a player retires, within a year they

get divorced because these people have never been with each other for the whole year. Usually they're used to being apart for six months a year. Fuck, I don't like this person. He said they- Oh my God, your hair is a mess sometimes. Fuck, yeah. You never stop bitching, do you? Just always.

For the past five years I've never smelled you poop. This is a nightmare. It's a lot. It's a lot. You shit a lot. You do this a lot. Is it a medical problem? You should probably go to the doctor or something. We have health insurance for Christ's sake.

It's wild man. I mean it is a lot. I don't think five times a day is, I think that's too much. I'm going to be honest, medically, not from my standpoint, from a medical standpoint. He said they've never been home, so how can they retire? They don't know how to bring a kid to school in the morning. They don't know how to cook breakfast. They don't know how to be a house husband. I've seen some of these guys retire and they stay home for the first time and

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And then finally a very funny story here. The next part I'll have more stories from the book that fit into the timeline. But here's another story. This is about Benoit Benjamin or Benoit Bunjammin as he's more well known here. He says, one of the nicest places to play in the league is Los Angeles. You've got the nice arena and all the movie stars sitting courtside. Plenty to do after the game. Yeah, it's a great place to be rich and famous. Like LA. Yeah. A good place to be rich and famous. It's been known slightly as that for a while now.

You know what I mean? He said also the Lakers have the prettiest cheerleaders in the league, but you can still get in trouble there. One day when the Nets were in LA to play the Lakers, I had to go to Western Union and Benoit Benjamin says, I'll drive you there. He put me in his Porsche and he drove me all around this neighborhood, this ritzy neighborhood. He told me it was called the Black Beverly Hills. Benoit was with the Nets, but he had played in Los Angeles for a lot of years before that for the Lakers and the Clippers. He had some big money. He's got his Porsche and he's showing me that it can go 60 miles an hour in first gear.

I don't think it's supposed to, by the way. Probably should. I mean, yeah, it's in the red, but you know. It's 8,000 RPMs, but it'll do it. He said it's about three o'clock and kids are coming out of school and Benoit's going about 90 miles an hour. It's only second gear, babe. Yeah, he barely got out of first.

What do you want? He says, and he kind of misses a stop sign. I don't know how you kind of miss a stop sign. You either stop or you don't. He said, well, he's telling me about life in Los Angeles. Man, I'm large, he's telling me. I played with the Clippers here. I played with the Lakers out here.

They love me out here. Everybody knows my name. He says, as soon as he says that, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Police, pull us over. They found the only two dudes in LA that don't know him. Damn it. Well no they know him. He said I say I say oh hell we in trouble. Benoit says don't worry about a partner I'm large.

Cop comes over says license registration. Benoit says don't you know who I am? Cop says yes I do sir license and registration. So Benoit says, what did I do then? The cop says, there was a stop sign back there. Benoit says, well I slowed down. By the way, go a little slower through the sign. That's not what it says at all. It's a little wordy for a sign, know what I mean yeah he says well I slowed down the cop says but the sign says stop right but no it says yeah but I slowed down and the cop says sir the sign says stop but no it says stop slow down it's all the same stuff partner what that's

when you're very wealthy that's's all same stuff, partner. Fuck it. I don't care. Give me a ticket. That's wild. That is a cavalier approach to four-way stops. It really is. I think Benoit ended up playing for the cavaliers too on purpose, I think maybe.

It's very cavalier. He says, and the cop takes out his blackjack and starts hitting Benoit over the head with it. Oh my God. He says and the cop takes out his blackjack and starts hitting Benoit over the head with it the leather God the leather blackjack and says now do you want me to stop or do you want me to slow down? But I love the story I Hope there wasn't a cop beating a fucking wealthy man because he blew a stop sign And then being funny about it. That'd be How's that feel? Oh and I am benoit laughing like oh, okay I get it as he rubs the source. Oh, you're right. I want you to stop you're right. Oh Christ

So back into the timeline here December 28th 2001 Jason is in trouble with his old team, the New Jersey Nets. Coach Byron Scott is not happy with him at all at this point. Well, apparently Jason Williams is an analyst for NBC at this point. And he said during halftime of the New York-Toronto game that Byron Scott used to offer his players $50 to take out Carl Malone. You can't.

How would you do that? There's tons of bounties, but not $50. You don't disclose them. No, that's the thing. Yeah, that happened in New Orleans and it was literally a federal case they made out of it. It was a big fucking deal. You can't do that.

But this is like in basketball forever. Like in the ABA in the late 60s, they would offer guys 50 bucks. First guy who punches so and so gets 50 bucks. Shit like that. But those guys are making eight grand a year. Yeah, you know, these people are making eight million. I don't think 50 bucks is much here. He said to take out Carl Malone.

By the way, he says in his book about Carl Malone, too, that he's the biggest whiner. He's the biggest baby. He said as soon as you get to Utah, all the fans are like, don't touch Malone, you leave Karl Malone alone, just leave him alone. He's like, he's the biggest most muscular guy in the fucking world, and he's like, they're so afraid I'm gonna hurt him, it's ridiculous. And he said he acts like a little bitch too a lot,

Karl Malone. I believe that. Yeah, I believe that too. You can listen to the Patreon episode on him. Karl likes him a little young, as we'll put it. So let's see. A little? A lot young.

Carl likes them not in high school yet, apparently, based on his impregnation history. Carl liked at least one around the same age as a baby. As a very, very young girl. So nets forward, Kenyon Martin was suspended for one game and fined $7,500 for a flagrant foul against Malone on that game. And he said that, and Byron Scott got mad and said,

if I'm going to pay Kenyon Martin to take out somebody, it's going to be a lot more than $50. And that's a ridiculous statement. I mean, no way. I wouldn't pay my guys Not for that anyway Find seven grand 7,500 for a flagrant. Yeah on purpose later box. That's not nice. Jesus Christ It's shit pay for for the for the actual job itself. Yeah, that job cost him. That's a little bit overhead

That's about the 70 for you was negative 74 50 on that one. That's not great. It overhead. That's a bad business model. That would be 74, negative 74.50 on that one. That's not great. It's not good. Not at all. So Jason this year, 2000, 2001, he made $13,800,000 for that, by the way. Holy shit. Yeah, in addition to 12 million, 375 the year before

and 11 million the year before that. You don't have to work anymore, it's over. He's got a lot more coming too. And he's for some reason working for NBC. I wouldn't do a thing. Then he became the owner of an indoor lacrosse team. Okay, well, now he's going to have to work forever. Yeah, because that's going to fall apart.

That's going to hurt. The owner of the, the principal owner too, so he put the most money in, of the New Jersey Storm. Really? The owner of the the principal owner, too. So he put the most money in of the New Jersey storm. Really? Yeah. A professional lacrosse team. Field hockey. That's lacrosse, right? They're different. But yeah, that's the male male male field hockey. I guess you call it's kind of a similar. It's kind of a similar thing here.

And he's the chief executive, the CEO of this company. He he put the money. He put the money, he put the money up apparently. So yeah, boy, boy, you know, he's, he's trying. It's it operated for two seasons. Oh, thing. So he had two seasons here. 2000, 2002, 2003. And maybe that's all it was too, for him. Someone might have advised him that he could use a loss. You know what I mean? You need something to dump some money in. Yeah, why not? People at least got some work out of it.

Sure. Better than pissing it away. Before the team moved to Anaheim and became the Anaheim Storm, they went out of business before the 2006 season. So he owned it for a few years. So that's a good amount of money to lose. Not bad. February 15, 2002. Jason's

at his house. By the way, Jason's property is enormous. It's 65 acres. He says his house is 30,000 square feet. And I've seen it. It's obscene. It's absolutely, it's absolutely obscene. This fucking house is it 30,000? might be it might be it looks like it could be like like remember the old pictures of a van der holie fields house he bought for some reason that's like rotting away now it's like that it's similar size it's got so many buildings like attached but it looks like a city it looks like this it's got the giant ranch entryway thing it's it just ridiculous. He's got shooting ranges, basketball courts, crazy. It's so much stuff going on. So his house is like its own little thing here. Now, he is at his house one night and he said that in his bedroom here during a gathering in his home that included four Harlem Globetrotters by the way in the mix here. He's also got Costas Christoffi who is his limo driver as well.

And somehow in this whole mix Costas ends up being shot in the chest with a shotgun. Like indoor close range not by accident outside or anything like that. They said his death was considered suspicious and suicide has been ruled out. Yeah, moving around, shooting in the chest. With a shotgun, especially then it would be contact wound. It would be, you know.

Say, said so far, except to say the Harlem Globetrotters are not likely to be involved in any illegal activity, no suspects have been identified. The cops said, we know it's not suicide. Somebody had to fire that weapon that resulted in this man's death. Who it was and how it happened is what we're investigating. They believe the weapon is a 12 gauge shotgun, no one else is injured, and no reports of missing or damaged property or anything.

Jason Williams had hired Christophe to bring friends from a Harlem Globetrotters game Wednesday night in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania to dinner at a place called Mountain View Chalet, which is a really apparently a upscale restaurant on Route 173, and then to the Williams Estate. So Jason's taken the Globetrotters out for a night on the town. Showing them. Yeah, they're really Globetrotting. This is what happens when you have another $70 million coming to you and nothing to do.

You start entertaining half of basketball teams. Is his name Merriweather? What was the guy's name? Costas? No, no, the famous Globetrotter. Oh! Probably on the team at that point, right? Jesus, I don't remember. I don't know Globetrotter. Oh, probably on the team at that point, right? Jesus, I don't remember.

I don't know Globetrotters from that time. I mean, it was, well, I guess probably wasn't that much. These guys are probably all gone. Yeah, they got to be gone. Yeah. I only know the 80s guys that we grew up with watching. And then like the guys who played for the Globetrotters like Will Chamberlain played for a year and Connie Hawkins played for a bit and shit like that. The ones that they animated and ran around with Scooby Doo, those are the ones. I think that one of them was Harry Weathers. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, that sounds right.

Yeah, what show is that where somebody was adopted by the Globetrotters? What fucking show is that? Is that the fucking- Oh, it was American Dad. It was a cartoon. Oh. Never mind. Okay.

Stan got adopted by the Globetrotters when he was a kid or some shit. That'd be great. He loved it. And then they made him go back to his parents and he was very sad. So they said, three Mountain View Chalet restaurant employees declined to say whether Williams was a guest there Wednesday night. Wow, he must spend a lot of money in that joint. Well, or just be 6'10".

Be the only guy that's 6'10 in there. Well, I mean, this is a death investigation. And they're like, we won't say whether he was here or not. Like, oh, yeah? Wow, how much money does he spend? So at 2.54 AM Thursday, someone called 911 from Williams home about the shooting. The unidentified caller reported it as a suicide.

So at first, they weren't like, hey, we had an accident, blah, blah, blah. They said this guy killed himself. Police found Christophe in Williams' bedroom with the shotgun wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead in the 30,000 square foot home at 328 AM. The shotgun believed to be used came from within the home,

they say. Williams, they say. Williams, they say, is a commentator for NBC, has shotguns, a skeet shooting range on his 65-acre property. Nobody answered a call to get some commentary from him on this here. I guess there's someone who's his spokesperson said that he couldn't comment about the shooting.

So if your spokesperson won't say shit, you're not really probably getting anything out of him here. A Harlem Globetrotter statement released Thursday expressed sympathy for Christophie's family. The bad we feel bad. It didn't identify which players were at the house, but the state said the players will willfully cooperate with law enforcement. From what we've learned, four of our players were guests of Mr. Williams for dinner after our game in Bethlehem last night. Two of the players were longtime friends and teammate of Jason Williams when they played together with the Nets. Our understanding is that our players are safe and none of

the Globetrotters were involved in the tragedy. In other words, wiping it clean, not about us. Focus shifts to that guy. Have a good one. By the way, we got a game in fucking Portchester tomorrow in case you're interested. So silly gags to pull. So let's not one guy. He always puts it in his shirt. If you're looking for the ball, it's always in his shirt. It's in the back. It's in the front. He moves the bucket of confetti. They think that's the best. Some poor ref is going to go down and then boom, there it is. Just confetti. No, that's all it is. Just confetti that they think is really funny. Ah, that's the best. Some poor ref is going to go, oh no, and then boom, there it is. Just confetti.

No, that's all it is, just confetti. And then he's going to be very angry, but not call a foul or anything. Don't worry. He's going to point his finger. Harlem Globetrotters Chris Morris, that's how I remember Chris Morris, was William's teammate with New Jersey from 1992 to 1995, but it was not known if it was him at the house here. Christophe's family had no comment. Investigators with the Hunterton County Prosecutor's Office and the New Jersey State Police were working to piece together a timeline of the events that occurred that night.

The group likely arrived at Williams' home no later than 2 a.m. So within an hour you're shooting people? Wow. Within an hour a man got so depressed. He was just so down. In the middle of his work day too. He's still at work. Got real down. He's still wearing a suit. Man, they said there was no evidence of a party. Adding toxicology reports will determine if any drugs or alcohol were in Christophe's bloodstream when he died. Those tests could take four to six weeks. Williams' last involvement with police occurred when he obviously shoved a police officer. That's the last we talked about that. They go on to really kiss his ass too, which is funny in this article. Williams also is known for his

generosity, having donated to several Central Jersey charities. That's nice. Last month he and several other former players, former basketball stars played in a charity basketball game at Hunterton Central Regional High School to raise money for sick children. Oh, that's nice. Wow. That's very nice. And since his 1999 retirement, Williams and other local basketball players have been known to frequent the Somerset Valley YMCA as well. So clearly he's probably innocent here. But then they're saying not so much a couple of weeks later when he is charged with manslaughter. Here's what they're looking at here.

He surrendered to police and was charged with manslaughter in the shooting. The they say that he he had to go like turn himself in. Essentially, they didn't come knock on his door and grab him Or anything because he's gonna try and If a man is dead at your property and you've got file chart yet, what else you can what that's what it is Hide out near property. So he said according to this complaint here They say that Williams was the only person near Christophe when the gun went off They said the death of Mr. Christoffy

was a tragic accident, but it was an accident. That's Williams' lawyer. He said, we're very confident that after a full, fair and thorough exploration of the facts, it will be clear that Mr. Williams is innocent of reckless and innocent of any recklessness and innocent of any criminal conduct. Of course he is. Yeah, obviously. And the prosecutor said, I agree it was a tragic, it was tragic and it may even have been an accident, but at base every reckless manslaughter is an accident. Yes. Yeah. The idea of it. It's an avoidable accident. That's the problem. That didn't have to happen. Yeah. You were fucking around doing something you

didn't have to do. Someone died. That's what that is. Yeah. So they said they want to get to the truth. The, uh, the they said they want to get to the truth the Prosecutor said that it was initially reported as a suicide which is why this seemed shady because yeah They're trying to say he did it himself, but then the examiner medical examiner said it's a homicide So Williams's brother and 11 other guests including four so there was like 16 people there That's too many people so many people for the middle having guns out. That's too many people. So many people for the middle of the day. To be having guns out, man. That's exactly, yeah, hey, check my guns out.

What are we doing? Not at 3 a.m. Especially at 3 a.m. Let's see your weed collection. That's what I'd like to see at 3 a.m. Let's take me to your bar. I'd like to see the spare bed where I'm going to sleep because I should have been in it hours ago.

Are there snacks here? That's what I'm concerned with at 3 a.m. What kind of snacks are we working with? How can I soak up all this booze we just drank? Oh also there was a 14 year old and a six year old in the house the night of the shooting. Oh my god. They said we're most interested in getting to the truth in this case and witnesses should come forward and do the right thing. If they do nothing, if they do they have nothing to be concerned about. He was released on $250,000 bail, required to turn over his weapons to police as well.

Now they go on to say they're still investigating whether Williams allowed Christofi to bleed to death before authorities were notified. Oh, before they called? Was he even alive? Did they wait for him to die before they called so he couldn't say what happened? Oh my God. Is what they're looking at. So that's interesting.

They said that the medical examiner said he believes that Christophe died quickly though and there was really no, there was nothing to wait. No choice to what, yeah. No time to make a choice of whether or not to call. He was, it was vast. Shot in the chest with a 12 gauge. Shot in the chest with a 12 gauge.

At close range. It's gonna take your internals, yeah. Oh, it's going to take half your fucking, half of your organs with it. So they said that, um, he was published reports at this point are saying that Williams was twirling a shotgun playfully. Well, giving a tour of his mansion. So loaded shotgun, twirling it around. He's giving a 30,000 square foot tour with a loaded shotgun in his hand. That's gonna take all day. What?

No shit, plus that's, why? Were you expecting? Well, see James, you may wanna, if you got 30,000 square feet. You never know who's living in there. You haven't been in there in a while. There might be bears in there by now. Might be bears, drug addicts, attacking you outta nowhere. I haven't been in there in a while. There might be bears in there by now. There might be bears, drug addicts, attacking you out of nowhere.

I haven't been in this room in six months. There might be a bear in here. It could very well be, at least a whole family of them, gonna move in by now. There could be some possum, we don't know. You never know. There could be porridge and bears and everything else in this fucking place. Or a blonde girl sleeping in our beds. The good one too, the good bed she's got.

The best one. The one that's just right, it's not fair. So this is fucking, why are you doing that? Why do you have a shotgun giving a tour of the house? A loaded shotgun. What is that, is he using it to point to things? Does he have like, oh maybe one of his rooms is like one of those police target ranges where like if something pops up And it's like a picture of a guy with a gun like holding it to a woman's head

He's gonna blast him quick you never know what he's got set up in there. Some of the rooms got things You don't shoot like a cute bunny rabbit. Yeah, it pops up It's a little girl with like a big lollipop with a bunny rabbit next to her. If you shoot her you lose points. That's it Yeah He's trying to get it down. Which with this guy, all the shit he has in this house, that wouldn't surprise me if one of his rooms has that. So at first they denied there was any horse play as well.

Or his side, Jason's side is denying any horse play. They said that the authorities were investigating whether Williams had been drinking, because you really shouldn't be twirling a loaded shotgun around while drinking. That's also a thing. They said, every day we learn more and more in this investigation, we're getting closer to the truth.

So, Christofi's nephew, Chris Adams, not the wrestler, said that, which is an episode, a very funny one too, back in like eight years ago from the 30s, yeah, from the episode in the 30s, somewhere in there and those numbers He said Chris Adams that relatives were relieved that William surrendered and was sure I was charged as planned He said now that they've charged him so that means that they believe he did it It puts us to ease a little bit that they have a person who shot my uncle now justice has to be served

Yeah, he said that his uncle had overcome burglary convictions and drug addictions to become a drug counselor and then taking a job with the limo company. And he said it's been 15 years since he's been in trouble, so he had a good foundation built on his new life. It took him so long to get straight. Now a careless night out cost him his life. Well, for him, he was working. It wasn't even a night out. Jesus Christ. He, they talk about Williams admitting his past mistakes and they said he had his 2000 autobiography said,

a lot of beers and bar room brawls and some scrapes with the law too, and many fights and some yelling matches with coaches and a bunch of headlines. That's what he's saying is inside the book there, which it is too, That's basically it. So they go on to talk all about that. He almost killed Wayne Corbett, he told in his autobiography, as we know about what we talked about last week.

He's a concussion, knocked him down. He could, he knocked a wide receiver. That's a tough man. He goes over the middle and gets hit by guys that are one and they're full speed. That man gets leveled by Steve Atwater. Yeah. Yeah, well, in a different time, but yeah. He gets leveled by Ronnie Lott. Night Train Lane is out there leveling this man.

Yeah. Fuck, who's the Cardinals guy? Damn, he's on the tip of my tongue. The old Cardinals fucking, from the 60s and 70s, Larry. Oh Jesus, oh yes, fuck. He's one of the best. The old Cardinals fucking, from the 60s and 70s, Larry. Oh Jesus. Oh yes. He's one of the best. Giant, big, giant.

One of the best defensive backs of all time. I know him. I know that man. He used to hit the, Larry something. Fuck. God damn it. All right. We'll think of that.

I keep thinking Zonka, but that's not him. It's the other one. He was a defensive back and he wore like number eight for some reason. He wore like a low number or some shit. I think it's retired too. It should be, yeah, I think he was. It was when they were in St. Louis. Look up Cardinals Hall of Famers.

St. Louis Cardinals. There's probably what, him, Aneas Williams, and I don't know who else. That's it. Dan Deardorff. Yeah, damn it, NFL. The problem is it was the St. Louis Cardinals and and those exist in baseball. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you just look up Larry Wilson, Larry Wilson. Thank you. Larry Wilson. God damn it. There we go. And I know him because he still lives in Phoenix and I've done work at his house. And that man's hands are frightening. Oh, I bet they're mangled.

Yeah. They look crazy. Oh, he played back when it was like there was no... He had everything broken. Everything was broken. And it just fused back together in whatever position it was. If you had a concussion, they'd just come out, do smelling salts, and you were in on the next, you had to come out for one play because they stopped playing, and you were coming back.

That was it. So different time. He might be dead by now, but he was still a very large man when he was old. Yeah. And his hands were fucked up. I've never seen that before. Big for a defensive back, too.

Yeah. February 27, 2002, Jason Williams is now off the NBC telecast. They were like, you know, let's clear up your murder rat before we proceed with you doing color commentary. Why don't we? Based on a dead man in his living room. You know, things like that.

Their first comment from NBC said NBC Sports and Jason Williams have reached a mutual agreement that's best for Jason to focus on his personal issues and not be on the air till those issues are resolved. This has nothing to do with us looking like a jackass for putting a murderer on television. Totally different reason. We're being very thoughtful for Jason. Holy shit. So on March 1st, 2002, there's an article that said that Jason Williams fits the description. He's a charming he is charming he has a wonderful sense of humor he is Esquire magazine handsome was a professional athlete and his filthy rich his profile is so upper class he could have

shouted from the bow I'm the king of the world. Jesus I hate fucking some of these reporters. What a titanic reference really?, good. Well, this is even 2002. That's a little over. Yeah. No, it's five years late. Too late. Nice topical fucking meter dipshit as a, as I heard on Larry Sanders one time, he said, so unfortunately in 1994, um, they said that Jason Williams over the top profile giving him kid gloves treatment. I do not suppose you or I would have expected or deserved. Yeah, that's everybody's turned mad silver on this. Well,

he's so wealthy and he does charity work and stuff. So there's no way he's could be an idiot who almost killed Wayne Corbett. And you know, Williams was accused of firing a semi automatic handgun in the parking lot of the metal lands arena following a game. I forgot all about that with remember that is yeah. Shut the hubcap. He was charged with reckless endangerment and possession of a weapon without carrying a permit. Had justice worked the way it was supposed to, Williams would have forfeited his right to bear arms. Williams applied to enter a partial intervention program, which would allow him to avoid admitting guilt and have the arrest erased from the books if he finished the program.

Bergen County prosecutor John Fahey opposed the application and Williams was denied. His attorney though appealed the ruling and a judge permitted him to enter the program that would place, if he would place ads in the record of Hackensack urging kids to avoid guns. He did so with the ads that included the tagline, shoot baskets not guns. Shoot baskets not guns. Not only did- Bring us a gun and you can watch them shoot baskets.

Come to my house, we do both over here. You could do both if you have a 65 acre, 30,000 square foot mansion. He said, not only did Williams have the money to pay for $15,000 worth of ads, he fit the profile of someone kids might listen to. He also maintained the right to own guns. It is not the kind of deal,

or it is not the kind of deal that any of us should expect if we leave work on our shift is over and then playfully shoot semi-automatic weapons in the employee lot. True. You know the rest of the story. In the wee hours he shot the blah blah blah. Okay. Whoever shot the gun violated two gun-related commandments according to Larry Farrell, director

of Gun Owners of New Jersey. Always assume a gun is loaded. Right. Yes. And never point a gun is loaded. Right. Yes, and never point a gun at someone you do not intend to kill. There it is. That's it, and always assume that it's loaded. Those are the two best, those are the two,

if you maintain both of those rules, you'll never hurt somebody on accident. Never would happen, it'd be really hard. Ferell also went on to say, if you were in the military, you would know if you turn another direction, you automatically point the gun to the floor or the ceiling. Right. So you're not accidentally pointing it at someone. For an experienced gun user, these moves become as natural as dribbling is to a basketball

player. However, we would not be talking about the rules if there were no weapons in the house, which might have been the case had Williams not fit the profile of someone a judge could fawn over. If he didn't turn into a silver-haired man immediately. There would have been no accident, as Williams' attorney called it. The limo driver would be alive and Williams would maintain his career as an entertaining member of the NBC television team.

Williams also would not be in a position to lose his estate when lawsuits are settled in civil court. Yeah. You got a guy with a hundred million dollars and he just accidentally drunkenly allegedly shot your family member. Holy fuck. Are there every law?

Imagine how many lawyers are calling the Christoffy family right now. Oh, and I can help you. Every mid afternoon commercial is calling them. People are like swimming up with their fucking card in their mouth like tie thrown over Every mid-afternoon commercial lawyer is calling them. Jesus. People are like swimming up with their fucking card in their mouth, like, tie thrown over their shoulder in a full suit swimming up. Joe Pesci wasn't even a lawyer in My Cousin Vinny. He's calling.

He's calling. He's like, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Did he get hurt on your property? It was his property, right? Yeah, that's him. So they say apart from one man's death, the pity of this is what it has done to Williams. His generosity is legendary. His life has been marked by tragedy before. Two sisters died

of AIDS, including one who died when she received tainted blood following a brutal beating. Jesus Christ. All of this happened because evidence suggests Williams did not know how to handle a gun. Yeah, he's irresponsible. He's a dipshit, at least. Next up now, May 3rd, the two sides of Jason Williams. Oh. Yeah. And it says, no one here is sure how to reconcile the two Jason Williams's. Ooh, William I. The Jason and Hyde. Yeah, there's the fellow who rides a gleaming chrome beast of a motorcycle and walks into a local joint and tells the bartender, I'm buying drinks for the house. He's the six foot 10, oh Jesus, Bon Vivant,

a pool shooting pal of carpenters and electricians and celebrities too. Dude. An alcohol drinking celebrities too. Dude. An alcohol drinking motorcycle rider. Yeah. Out of his fucking mind. Imagine you're walking through the park one day and you see a suspicious backpack

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This day, it sounds like he's running for office. That sounds like the way they would announce someone running for office in 2024. He drunkenly rides his motorcycle around, but he's friends with carpenters, and he's friends with other basketball players. He's the only choice for whatever county county you live in I suppose drinking and driving the motorcycle one probably mostly only hurts the motorcycle rider I was gonna

say are if you hit a car yeah which a person should be able to get out of the way of a motorcycle I'm just gonna say it right now you got about you can see it coming you got a yeah you can hear it coming. You hear it coming, see it coming and you don't have, it's not very wide. A car I get, oh shit, I even if you jump that way I could still get you. But a bike, if you get hit by a bike, it's at least half your fault. At least half your fault if you get hit by a bike. Less than he rides it into your living room. Unless you were just watching TV at home and he came through the front door.

Parks it in your lazy boy. That would be a different story. So they even go on to say he throws fundraisers for kids with cancer and has adopted the children of his dead sisters. You know what? Let's just let him off. We're being too hard on the guy. Why don't we have him?

He adopted his nieces and nephews. Oh boy. What a guy. A few weeks back he took an arthritic goat from a local animal shelter and brought it to be cared for. It is 38 or 31,000 square foot mansion, a place named who knew? Really? He's literally, he's literally, arthritic words. This article, actually, if I said name the most ridiculous thing they could say, would he fill an arthritic farm animal and bring him to his house?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. What the fuck? A goat with knuckle pain. An arthritic goat, that's how good of a guy he is. God Jesus, those don't live that long anyway, that poor fucking goat. Fucking his aides. What a shit hand to be dealt. Aids sisters children fucking arthritic goats. He'll take everybody in. He doesn't care. Most people

don't get multiple aid sisters. No, it doesn't happen very often. He got more than one. That's crazy. Let's say he got more than his fair share, I think, of AIDS sisters, probably. Someone else is very lucky that none of their sisters have AIDS, because Jason Williams took the extra AIDS sister. The other Jason Williams faces manslaughter charges. He's a retired jock, fond of guns and booze. Well, when he drove his motorcycle into a bar and said, drinks for the house, we knew that then.

You were great with it then. Yeah, you were fine with it then. A fellow who threw a party on February 14th and prosecutors say, twirled a loaded shotgun until it went off and the blast hit his chauffeur full in the chest. The limousine driver died in Williams' bedroom. Jesus Christ, man. By the time he had walked out after his arraignment or his posting his bond, his life had become a cliché, rendered in news accounts as that of another pro athlete with too much money, too much arrogance and too little judgment. Yeah, that's about right.

Except nothing about Williams life or this incident tracks quite so neatly. Oh really? This is a man about whom Sports Illustrated wrote in 1999. Wow. More than any other player, Williams makes sure that the face of the NBA has a smile on it. He was such a beloved guy. Even prosecutors have noted there's no evidence that Williams intended to hurt anyone that night. Even they're like, hey, he's a good guy. No one even says he was angry. But Williams, a retired pro athlete, is a retired pro athlete and has discovered that life's defining moments are often accidental. Williams came of age on Manhattan's Lower East Side, a self-described knucklehead. He talks about being called a

zebra and he talks about his... They basically give his life story about how he was sent and everything was so hard for him and all this type of shit. He said, I got a big contract in 1998 because I'm a good citizen and a good teammate and I don't do some of the wild stuff I used to do. That's what he said. That's why they gave him his money. Sure. Yes. He's donated

$2.5 million to St. John's, devoted hundreds of hours to aid stuff. Unbelievable. He said Williams insisted on giving everyone, Christophe included, a tour of the mansion. Lucky him. Great. That's a bad tour, man. Yeah, if you're dead at the end of it, yeah. You get shot in the chest. It's a bad tour. Yeah, you got to bleed out on a nice carpet, but other than that, it's pretty shitty still. Probably imported.

Yeah. Oh, what is this? Jesus. They walked past the indoor basketball court, the pool, the par-three golf course, and the movie theater. At some time after midnight, as they walked upstairs, Williams playfully twirled a shotgun in his hand. The gun went off and Christophe was hit.

Prosecutors are still examining whether he was drunk. Williams has remained secluded in his mansion. It's 30,000. This is, it's like a whole village. He's secluded in his village hold up 65 acres 65 acres and 30,000 square foot house. That's He's Roman

Like saying he's holed up in Central Park. He's wandering around a lot of area to wander Holy shit his lawyer and agent do not respond for requests to an interview. His friends say he feels terrible. Oh well that sucks. I believe you. Oh he feels terrible. He's praying. He had hoped his home would stand as a symbol of everything that had gone right in his life. Right. So more charges are filed against him after that. This is about a week later after we're talking about that article Saying that now it's saying he wiped his own fingerprints off the shotgun and told guests to tell police it was a suicide He wiped it down it was like I didn't do that shit right you guys saw him he was all sad and shit, right

Wow people ratted him. They got him. They're not gonna they... They don't want to be charged with shit. That's why. Yeah, that's obstruction. That's lying to police. Yeah, that's your house. Yeah, it's a lot of things. Your shotgun. Yeah. I don't want any part of this shit.

So he's already been charged with manslaughter, as we know. The new charges are hindering apprehension, evidence tampering, witness tampering, fabricating physical evidence, and conspiracy to obstruct the law. Not good. They can carry a combined penalty of more than 14 years in prison and manslaughter only carries up to 10 years in prison. But that's if every, that's if a judge was, if he was found guilty of all those things and a judge sentenced him, sentenced him consecutively, which isn't gonna happen. Generally, when you get that sentence, it's one of those sentences where like,

golly, that's pretty stiff for what he did. This would be this is a different one. This is yeah, you get that sense. You're like what? Well, yeah, if I hear because here's the thing he can say it's an accident all he wants if I hear you shot a guy Wiped your fingerprints down off the fucking gun and then told everybody don't say shit. This wasn't me, right? That's a murder in my book. Yeah, that doesn't, that doesn't sound good. It's not great. We do a lot of episodes of Small Town Murder,

525 to be exact, and if somebody did that, I go, they sound pretty fucking guilty of murder to me. Yeah, yeah. I could, and getting 10 years, if you set a shotgun on the counter Yeah, and then a cat jumped down on it and pulled the trigger and it shot somebody in the chest That's a ten-year of that's a guess you had a loaded counter on the shocker of shotgun on the counter for some odd reason that you Should have been there and you gave the cat all that opportunity

there and you gave the cat all that opportunity. You fed it all that nine lives, gave it all that catnip. If you haven't changed its litter box in at least three days, it's not a happy cat. It's pissed off. You got it good and pissed off now. Haven't trimmed its nails in several weeks. Son of a bitch. Yeah. But that is really murdery stuff to be wiping fingerprints down. To get 10 years for that, that's like, my god, that's lenient. Wow, yeah, that's what I mean.

That just sounds like, why don't we just say murder? Because it sounds like it was, if it wasn't on purpose, put yourself in that situation. If you do that, you go, oh my god, you call the cops, you go, we were fucking around, I accidentally shot this guy. You don't go wipe it down and go, all right, everybody, let's get our story straight first

before the cops get here. So this is a great, by the way, headline from the Miami Herald that week. Williams's actions abnormal, wrong. Abnormal and wrong they say. Slash, yeah. Abnormal, wrong. That is hilarious. They talk about how prosecutors charged him with second degree manslaughter believing

the accident occurred because of Williams' reckless actions. And they talk about how they think they can agree on above statements. Okay, we part ways on the reaction to what occurred after the shooting as a driver. He lay dying, obviously, here. As he's fucking dying on the ground they say that Williams Actions are what make sympathy for him a tough sell So he tried to cover up the crime so I think Dan Lebatard was saying that oh really it's yeah It was an accident. Let's not be too mean to the guy

So this is on the wrong side of history Dan so this guy's saying I believe it was an accident But let's be honest here, you know, if it wasn't a fucking athlete, you wouldn't be saying that shit. So he tried to cover up all of his crime based on his on all indications. He tried to make it appear to be a suicide by trying to place the victim's palm print and fingerprints on the gun. He put a dead man's hand on a fucking shotgun. Which is. Dead or dying. Either way. That's even worse. He touched and injured.

He just went from murdery to holy shit you've murdered a man. Trying to put his own prints on it. That's fucking diabolical dude. You can't do that. That's fucking crazy. That's and by the way, that doesn't work either because Whenever they do that they say like if you try to kill someone even if you put it in their hands before rigor sets in Anything they say it basically looks like a an action figure holding a weapon that you stuck in his hand to cops It never looks real. Yeah. Well because yeah, it's on that even when the sometimes when the gun drops it They know yes that it's a friend Sometimes it's hard to tell because if a gun drops a gun drops gravity does exactly it's weird

But yeah, if you if you if you you can't put a shotgun in a man's hand, that's wild and that's why I know how shotguns work and how the The distance all that stuff happens distance Distance, angle, everything, it's all there. You can't put that in his hand, man. That's a drunk man making a 2.30 in the morning decision. It's fucked, cause this whole show, we've been saying, go home, why are you out at three o'clock in the morning when you have all this money in these mansions?

Have a party at your house. Okay, put the guns away while you're doing that. Now we have to add that caveat. Jason, stay out, don't go home. Jason, go, just push cops. It's easier. At least no one's dead. So they said Williams and two house guests turned accomplices then disposed of the ex players blood spattered clothing. He, okay. What? He stripped the corpse? No, himself. He took his own clothes to show that. So he didn't want to say I was right next to him when it happened, which is what happened. This is murder. I don't

care. You have made this murder. You've taken an accident and made it look as much like murder as humanly. Like if you were trying to frame a man for murder, you couldn't do it better than this. Framing yourself for murder. Taking your clothes off. Holy. Did you take a shower? Shit. That's what I mean. The cops get there, he's in a bathrobe dripping wet, smelling like herbal essences and shit. What the fuck are we doing?

A bathrobe that says the plaza. Oh shit. Armand Gilliam would. Armand Gilliam would have, he'd have probably sold the robe to somebody or something. Traded it for cranberry juice. Armand Gilliam wore this stolen pilfered closet. Fuck, Jason should steal from him to get his electricity back. Armand Gilliam has a lot of Dallas hominy umbrellas.

Yeah, him and Larry David have all the umbrellas. So this is, one of the witnesses told that, said that, about that. Wow, that he changed his clothes. Changed his clothes, wiped his own prints off, tried to put the gun in the guy's hand. Put some other prints on it. Wow, that is, whew, that is bad form.

And it's fine if your fingerprints are on the gun, it's your gun, they expect your fingerprints on it. Yeah, absolutely. Just put his on it too, You don't have to do this. I guess his thing was like, Christophe wandered off from the tour and found my gun and offed himself. He was so sad from my tour that he couldn't do anything but put a shotgun in his chest. Wandered off from the tour.

Yeah. Which happens all the time at museums and everything else. People are constantly killing themselves on tours. Yeah, a kid just broke a 4,000 year old pot because of it. See? Someone shot themselves over that, I'm sure. If I'm a dad, I do. Fuck yeah, oh, Jesus Christ. How much is that pot worth? How much? He's got to pay for something, right?

It's assured, but there's a deductible. There's got to be some kind of... Something that he has to pay restitution. Also, I say this, anything that's 4,000 years old and insanely valuable should not be anywhere near the reach of a four-year-old. You should probably store that. Because I can't, when you have a little kid...

Put that behind glass, yeah. Did you have anything that was worth more than $12 sitting at kid's level of hand? Fuck no. I didn't have much worth $12, but anything that I did, yeah, was up away. I didn't have much worth $12, but anything that I did, yeah, it was up away. Anything. A speaker or this, anything. Oh Jesus, don't break that. The cable box back then, all that shit would be up. Everything's up high. So

they said, meantime, prosecutors investigate whether the corpse was moved in an attempt to make the suicide ruse more believable. Dude. They may have moved the body too. Couldn't get any worse. And whether Williams told friends at the house to lie on his behalf. And the victim's family wonders, Jesus, whether Christoffy may have survived if Williams had notified authorities more quickly.

No, he wouldn't have, by the way. He took the towel faster than the chest, man. Yeah, and it's a rural property too. It would have taken a minute to get there. The other guy on the page here finds Williams's behavioral He took the 12 after the chest, man. Yeah, and it's a rural property too. It would have taken a minute to get there. The other guy on the page here finds Williams' behavior to be a natural reaction, even understandable. We've all been there. We've all shot an employee of ours in our home and then tried to stage it to look like

he killed himself, right? We've all done that. That's normal. I don't think I want to touch him after I shoot him. No, oh my god. So they're saying that's understandable. This guy said, I do not. I can appreciate feelings of shock or even panic after such a tragedy. Still, I find Williams' actions to be criminal and justifiable by no means. Maybe the disagreement hinges on how we perceive human nature. I do not think that most people knowing what had just happened was an accident would connive to make it appear as a suicide Dispose of evidence then lie to the police

No, would you do that? I wouldn't do that. I'm not coming near the body fuck. No, I'm gonna say it was an accident Take whatever medicine I have to for that. That's you know, that's life I shouldn't have been fucking around. I'm still rich who cares Yeah Williams offered what he called his heartfelt condolences to the victims family The condolences might have seemed more sincere if the ex-player had done the right thing after the shooting Jason Williams would be a largely sympathetic figure today if his first thoughts and actions showed concern for Costas Christofi. Instead, the concern was obviously for Jason Williams. Oh, and if you think former athlete is guilty of just poor judgment, consider this. Had Williams' cover-up succeeded, the victim's family would be left to wonder forever why

Mr. Christofi would take his own life while Williams would have lied his way out of what could be a 15-year prison sentence. Yeah, and I remember when this happened too, there was a lot of people going, what? It was confusing. It was very confusing. And shortly thereafter, I think Jason, the other Jason from the Redskins,

was shot in the leg from a home robbery. Yes. Is that shortly after this? It was, right? Yeah, it was a couple years after this, I think. I think so, yeah. It was like 2004ish, maybe 2003. And that one was less baffling than this shit.

This is fucking, yeah, people. This is crazy. I remember not being able to understand it because it just, it seemed like why, I just kept going, why would you do that? It just never made sense. What, why? So now a co-defendant will testify against him

April 26th, 2002, they say. A former college basketball player will testify against Jason Williams under a plea bargain in the case. Oh. Yeah, because they're charging other people who don't have a hundred million dollars to hire lawyers and they're making plea bargains here. This is Kent Kalukko, 29. He pleaded guilty to tampering with evidence and witnesses.

He agreed to testify against Jason Williams and co-defendant John Gordnick, 44, and could avoid serving any time in jail under a provision of state law for first-time offenders. Caluco admitted in court that he wiped the gun and moved it after the shooting and told the other people in the room to say they were downstairs when it happens. He said he did these things at Williams' request. Oh. Excuse me, you wipe your own fucking gun down. Are you fucking joking?

I mean, in that time too, there was this like giant. Wiping your gun down? These unsuccessful old basketball players though love to hang on. You know, hang around people that they've known for a long time. Steve McNair had one. Great guy for everything that I've heard, but unsuccessful in everything he did except for anything he did with Steve McNair. Yeah, it's the hangers on. Yeah, yeah. A money guy. If there's a big backer, fuck man, things can be successful. Surprise, surprise. No shit.

So this guy's probably one of them and doesn't want that money trying to stop. I'll do whatever you want, Jack. He knows if he ever comes up with some horseshit fucking check cashing. Yeah, some stupid car wash opportunity. Yeah, check cashing place or car wash. Jason Williams will throw the money at him.

He knows that. Absolutely. Remember when I wiped that Winchester? Let's get these car wash. Yeah, see I imagine me with a windshield sparkly clean Shit So Caluco's lawyer said his client soon backed off the claim because at first I guess Caluco was one of the people who? You know said that that he that Jason Williams didn't fire the gun. Oh. So then his lawyer said he acknowledged wiping down the gun after the fact and he acknowledged

influencing others into telling a story that was different from the truth. The important thing is, and the prosecutor's office acknowledged this by admitting him to the pretrial program, is that later that day Kent and others informed authorities that this was an accident and not self-inflicted. He had played basketball at James Madison, this guy, and he didn't specify in court which witnesses he influenced. A spokeswoman for Williams, Judy Smith, wouldn't comment on the guilty plea, saying only Jason Williams intends to enter a plea of innocent to all charges at the appropriate time.

The fucking balls on this guy. They don't expect any kind of plea with any of the others, just him. So he agrees to testify against him, but they said that even this is fucking wild. Coluco's attorney said they've remained friends though. Jason and him. Yep. And Jason Williams, even within the last several days, encouraged Kent to cooperate with authorities and tell the truth.

And he did so. He's still giving him lots of money to definitely make this feel a little easier here. Jason Williams, April 30th, 2002. Jason Williams' wife says the truth will come out. He's married. We barely knew you existed, bitch. Where'd you come from? You just show up after shooting, sticking up

for this motherfucker? Where were you going? Hey, dumb shit. Don't be twirling a fucking shotgun around when I know you've been out drinking. It's 3 o'clock in the morning. Get these people out of my fucking house. There's the answer.

Where were you when? Our blaming her Get the fuck out of my house. She's sleeping 26,000 square feet away We're blaming her for but yes You didn't even hear the shotgun blast if you had any control over your house and your husband this shit wouldn't happen If you brought 14 people over twirling a shotgun around in the middle of the fucking night, Emily would be like, what the fuck are you doing? Anybody would say that.

Are you kidding me? Yes. Sarah would be very upset with me for that. I think my dog would be pissed. Yes. What the fuck are you doing, bro? Roar. It's awfully late.

I'm trying to sleep. Jesus. Now there's gunshot going on here. So Jason Williams' wife calls her husband a good man and says, people should not rush to judgment about the shooting death at the house. You shouldn't rush to judgment. She said a very tragic accident occurred. She said, Jason doesn't read the newspapers, nor does he watch the TV.

And so how things have played out in the media is a very Very little significance to us The TV he doesn't watch the TV the facts will come out Okay, that's what we know you better hurry I love that she's sticking up for him though. She's like this gravy train will continue We will not pay all of this to a family though she's like this gravy train will continue. It's the 30 million dollars we have in the bank right now. We will not pay all of this to a family. So yeah, May 2nd here, he is indicted here and now the grand jury has indicted him on

two counts of manslaughter and other crimes giving him, he could get up to, and like I said this is all guilty, all consecutive, 44 and a half years in prison. Wow. Not good. That's a lot of fucking time. Even if it's less than that, it's still, it's a ten count indictment. That's a big exposure that you're leaving yourself open for. Fuck yeah. Reckless manslaughter for doing that and additional charge of aggravated manslaughter now they've

added. That's the one that's got more. Yeah. That's the- And as a 30 something year old old man 44 years is a long, long time. Even if you're out in 20, that's a long time. They said can the reckless manslaughter is the five to 10 years in prison aggravated manslaughter is 10 to 30. That's real. That's murder time right there. That's real time. The new manslaughter charges added by the grand jury based on the evidence and the reckless manslaughter charge was the one that was there to begin with. And the prosecutor said, I told you that the investigation would be continuing and I did tell you all that

if the evidence led to a particular direction, the grand jury would be free to do whatever it wished. This isn't a meat charge, this is a grand jury returning those charges. Said if you point a firearm at or in the direction of someone, whether or not it's loaded, whether or not you know it's loaded, that's aggravated assault, whether or not it even discharges. Yeah, that's a dangerous weapon. Point guns at people.

So when the law presumes that that weapon is loaded, you fucking better well do. I would fucking say so. So he's free on bail. They said the indictments we received today is the next step in the criminal process. So Williams, his lawyer says he's innocent of all criminal conduct again. Christophe's aunt Dora, who is a principal of a high school, said that she and her nephew were as close as brother and sister.

She said, I don't want to rejoice about someone possibly going to jail. This has been a rough time for us. This is just so senseless and tragic for everyone involved. I'm just glad the justice system is doing what it can to see that justice is served. A human life was taken so senselessly. So he said whether it was an accident or not, it could have been avoided. There are consequences when people act without thinking. Okay. Lawyer now says a kook threatened witness in Jason Williams case. A kook is the headline. Yes. A telephone threat made to a friend of Jason Williams who agreed to testify in the trial was the work of a kook, the man's attorney said. Said it wasn't even my guy. This is Kent Coluco again, told a Virginia newspaper that he had received a threatening

phone call from someone who told him a delivery was on the way to his home. We got some cheese for a rat, is what they said. We're going to come over and mess you up. His attorney confirmed the threat but said it was not being taken seriously. We attribute it to some kook who decided he would call to play a rather stupid practical joke. Jason Williams is going to plead officially innocent here in June, so he gets to do that. He's still going to remain out on bail. He stayed outside for, you know, take pictures and do all that with people. They said that they're lining up, both sides are lining up nationally known experts, including

Henry Lee, who's been, and Doc, oh Jesus, the two most- Both? And Dr. Bodden. The two most discredited people in the history of forensic science. They got them both. Dueling assholes. Both of them. Never mind.

It's a long story. But we have a small town murder that we're doing live now at the end of the year. We'll do it where we really run down how shitty Dr. Michael Bodden is and how if you're an asshole and you're famous, boy, he'll say anything basically, allegedly for you. Kind of a shill for some assholes, isn't he? Wow, oh, everybody from the fucking Epstein family, to O.J., to, you think of a bad person who's been in trouble with the law,

Dr. Bodden has worked for them, absolutely. He'll give him my hand. Wow, and of course, O.J. is where they all, they both worked on that trial, so there we go. Jay is where they all they both worked on that trial. So there we go. June 10th, 2002 here. Jason Williams pleading not guilty. And they say that this is from loose balls. They're talking about Jason Williams,

a former net who pleaded not guilty to a charge of fatally shooting his limousine driver, wrote in his memoir, Loose Balls once some joker got a hold of the loudspeaker limousine driver, wrote in his memoir Loose Balls, once some joker got a hold of the loudspeaker system somehow and said, will the lady who lost five children please claim them, they're beating the net 70 to 65. It's very funny, by the way. Very funny. Any announcement to somebody uninvolved that there is something horrible happening.

When I leave the sons games, I tell the officers, I'd like to report a murder of five men to the cops that are helping people crossroads. There are 12 men being assaulted in there. Another 12 men of equal size and experience in what they're doing. But they're really... Seems to be a fair fight, but I think it's illegal It's getting out of hand now. It was fair for a while, but now it's really Just mean if you're asking me

So next up July 16th, there's a new report that not only did he change his clothes he jumped in the pool after the shooting. Wow. Yeah, that is covering up murder stuff. He put on another pair of clothes and then just tried to get some blood spatter off just in case. Maybe it's in my ear. I'm sure I have some piece of his fucking lung in my hair probably. There's some viscera in the curvature of my ear.

So this is in according to an article in GQ magazine. They talk about unnamed sources. Williams had been seen in the bedroom with him when the shooting happened. They said the 12 gauge closed with a snap of a wrist and the weapon immediately fired sending 12 pellets into the left side of Christophe's chest. They talked about how they would not comment on aspects of the magazine's account because he has not discussed those matters in court.

However, regarding the shooting, they said it's been our contention that he handled it recklessly. Yeah, people are saying he jumped in the fucking pool afterwards. Wow. I wonder if it was a single shot or an under-over or a... Not sure.

...under whatever. Yeah. Or maybe one of under, whatever. Yeah. Or maybe one of those double barrels. Maybe, oh, like a big, like an Elmer Fudd? Yeah, cause you snap that close. Yeah. But a single shot, you snap close too. True.

But maybe it's a single shot, cause he's twirling it and it's a lighter gun. Would he be fucking reckless enough to twirl a double barrel shotgun? I mean, any amount of barrels, what are we talking about? I don't care if it's one barrel, an eight barrel shotgun, you got a 30 barrel. I don't give a shit. This is too many barrels. But twirling and giving them both barrels is crazy. That's insane.

And now they add a retired New Jersey judge to the defense team, Joe Ellen Demetrius, chief executive officer of a Los Angeles trial consulting firm. Here is going to join defense team. Joe Ellen Demetrius, chief executive officer of a Los Angeles trial consulting firm, here is going to join the team. I believe this woman, these people worked for OJ. Yes, again, more OJ. That's what you want to do as an athlete charged with murder. You want to align yourself with OJ as much as possible.

Although, he's probably thinking, OJ got away with it. He killed his fucking wife and all this shit. This is a limo driver under shady circumstances. I can get away with this if I just get those people. It's fascinating that you would get anybody that was successful getting anybody. It's fascinating that those people ever work again because it's like, the public opinion is that that person's shysty and pulled some gray area shit. I would say.

If I'm sitting on a jury and one of those shysty gray area shit. You know what I mean? I would say. If I'm sitting on a jury and one of those shysty gray area shit lawyers sits down, I'm going, I don't know, man. Why do you need that guy? Why do you need that gray area guy? That scares me. And that's what happens too. Jurors, I think, do have a certain thing of if you bring,

it's a, for OJ it was different. You bring Casey Anthony's lawyer in the room, I know you fucking did it. Yeah, yeah, that's true, cause he was scum too. He's a way for OJ. Casey Anthony's lawyer in the room. I know you fucking did it Yeah, yeah, that's true because he was scum to like scumbag the one guy who defended Michael Peterson he's the same guy who defended Ray Carruth and David Rudolph I think is his name. Yeah, he Does a great job, but he keeps going to North Carolina does a great job, but he keeps going to North Carolina with a fucking New York accent and losing a case, completely winning the case on merit and then losing because they're like,

we don't like this fucking guy coming down here trying to tell us about our laws. You know that's what it is. I watched trials that he's done where I was like, there's no way you could vote for guilty. Fucking guilty because we don't like... If you watch the Michael Peterson trial, which I think Michael Peterson did it by the way, but I think he did. Yeah. There's spatter up high on the fucking ceiling. That doesn't happen from a fucking fall down the stairs. He hit her with the poker and fucking threw up one of the shit up. How many times have you ever been in the room with a psychotic owl James. Oh damn it it's a really good

point. Those murderous owls are crazy. When you watch him walk through his night I'm like I'm not I don't believe any of this shit. Yeah. None of it. Her head was under a lot of pressure. That's true I didn't think about it. If you crack it open it's gonna be like an overri cherry, you know what I mean? It's gonna pop Juicy. Yeah But that that trial He his case was way better than theirs. Yeah, their case was he's gay He writes books and he any any and he's a weirdo that writes books and that's if you watch the trial

That's exactly how the woman talked to the prosecutor he writes gay things and he hooks up with gay people like there it was and then the other guy gets up with a New York accent and says logical things and they're like well I like the lady who hates gays that's explanation of this better if I suck dicks I'd probably murder a woman too that's what happens yeah he just He just wanted to suck more penis. That's all it was. He's a dirty gay. Like there was no allowance for sometimes people have arrangements. Never thought of one. And no allowance for, you know, sometimes both genitals arouse people. Sometimes you

can have that. She knew. So Williams, this is a fluff piece if I've ever seen one this had to be planted by his Publicist is the only way when you have a lot of money you can do this type of shit. It's from July 31st 2002 Williams maintains sense of normalcy Despite uncertain future former net star continues charity work. Oh, that's great. I hope it doesn't involve Shooting another arthritic goat Wow his future and freedom are uncertain But Jason Williams has returned to a way of life. He was always known for He said that he is running a basketball camp for kids at North Hunterton High School

He said there are people in life who are givers and people who are takers, says the director of the All-Star Camp here. This guy's a giver. Yeah, he'll talk. Yeah, he'll give you, yeah. He'll give, that's, I think they said the same thing about Michael Peterson in that trial. He's the giver in this situation.

This guy is a giver and there's no if, ands, or buts about it. Oh, well don't put but in there if you're gonna talk about being a giver and there's no if, ands or buts about it. Oh, well don't put but in there if you're gonna talk about being a giver. Come on, man. Dude, we're trying to maintain professionalism and you're fucking, it's impossible with idiots like this. How do, how are we, we're children.

How are we supposed to be mature? Worse than, shit. Yeah, worse, professional children, it's worse. Hey, what if we pay you to be children, you know bad that is Then he goes on to say some shit that's even worse in the next sentence in that context He's a giver butts and then he says and he's so passionate about children No, no, don't say these things. You're making it worse We do that for free.

But you pay us to make fun of people like this. Oh God, way worse. It's just going to get worse. You're only encouraging us. That's the problem. Encouraging all like us. We can't help it. Children and arthritic goat.

No, not the goat. He's a real giver and trying to make a positive impact. And this is not something that he's doing now. And this is not just something he's doing now. All you have to do is look at his record. He's been doing it for a long time. Williams politely declined to speak with the Courier News about his pending trial or his involvement with the camp on Tuesday.

Two staff members from the camp also asked a photographer not to or asked a photographer to put away his camera while Williams actively instructed a handful of the 163 kids on hand. Quote, he doesn't want any media attention. Oh no? So there's a goddamn article all about it that's obviously fucking given to them by your publicist. No media attention, please.

Please, no questions right now. Wow. Please talk about how much of a nice guy. Oh, please don't talk about my large penis. Not now, please. Please. It's so, yes, it's large and it's satisfied women the world over, but let's not talk about it right now. It's very embarrassing.

He just wants to give the kids the most he can. That also doesn't sound good. No. When you're talking about butts and being a giver. He doesn't want it to be clouded with any nonsense. He's saying hey What is sacred? What is say? How about? Not trying to cut up and cover up a fucking killing in your home. That's pretty sacred a dead body in your bedroom Williams who's retired from the NBA obviously charged with the murders here Williams, who's retired from the NBA, obviously charged with the murders here,

his lawyer said that the shooting was an unfortunate accident still. Much of Williams' fame has come from his work with children and charities. Let me read that again from you. Yeah. For you. Do you know how many people out there dedicate their entire lives to charity and children

and volunteering and working to help? Some lady named Susan G. Komen, I don't know what she looks like. Nope. Outside of that, I don't know. I think that thing was, I think they found out that was a bit of a scammy thing, though, so.

Oh, but they did, yeah. But there's a lot of very, I would venture to say thousands and hundreds of thousands of very nice people who dedicate their lives to that. None of them are famous, though, for doing that. Maybe Mother Teresa, possibly. Or possibly there may be some scammy shit with that too he's not famous for that though no they put him in that because he's

famous they're saying his fame didn't come from being a professional basketball player that signed a hundred million dollar contract and then did color fucking commentary on NBC. It's because he does charity work with kids. That's how he got famous. That's how he got his following. That's how the Nets noticed him and picked him up was for that. That's what they're basically saying with that. We can't help but notice you threw a fantastic fundraiser and you happen to be 6'10".

Are you free this weekend? What do you think here? I am, I can't believe they just said that. Just now that's the craziest fucking quote I've ever heard in my life. Yeah, that's what he's known for. Wow. So he goes on to say that they talk about

he paid $20,000 to his, to Continental Airlines workers. We talked about that. All of his aides. They go down his whole list of charity. Whole list. Wow. Summer basketball camps, all of this type of thing. They said that a 12-year-old from the camp said, it doesn't bother me at all that he's

charged with killing somebody. But he shoots people. No. He said, this has been a lot of fun. I've had fun so it's fine. I'm shooting all day too. I'm a shooter too. It's great. Holy shit.

He seems like a normal person to me said another kid. I've learned how to play my position way better. They also go on if it's not good enough to say that he's a great guy who all of his fame came from charity. If that's not enough for you to know that this is a publicist then they good enough to say that he's a great guy who all of his fame came from charity, if that's not enough for you to know that this is a publicist, then they go on to say this, Williams looking fit and trim. So hot. He's a handsome man.

Penis really, the outline of his penis, very, very nice against his shorts. Really impressive. I was impressed by it, honestly. Those champion shorts are doing him all the favors. Like, I was afraid, but I was also intrigued. You know what I mean? That's how good of a penis it is. Yeah, I thought, is he got a shotgun in his shorts or is he just happy to see us?

They said he taught fundamentals to many of the children at the camp and also made sure everyone was properly hydrated in the hot weather. He's the fucking water boy too now? Oh. Oh. It's too low. Wow. They go on to say, this is not a fad, Rhodes said.

It's been a lot of camps. I've been to a lot of camps where people just have their names on it and usually that person is there for an hour, gives a lecture and then they're gone. Not only is he here during the camp, he's the first employee here in the morning making sure we clean up and that the place looks good. Any kind of grunt work, physical labor, he's right there with everyone. This is something that is genuine, from the heart, endeavor for him. Where is this at? Is this at his house? It's in fucking New Jersey somewhere. Yeah. No, it's in their kids. Hunterton High School apparently. Wow. And they're like, yeah, go hang out with this dude who shot a guy

and wiped his prints off. Jason Williams camp. What the fuck, man? So Gordnick now, his co-defendant, John W. Gordnick, he is going to plead guilty, because again, he doesn't have the lawyer money for this, to helping up cover the shooting here. Gordnick told the judge that he took the clothes Williams was wearing when the driver was shot,

hid them in a car and didn't turn them over to authorities for several weeks. Oh. Yeah. Wow. Kept them. Kept them. Hit them. He said, I guess I just saw Jason in a difficult situation.

I wasn't thinking straight and I reacted. No, Jason told you hide that shit Yeah, and you're like anything for future help. Absolutely Wow He could this is he's gonna get recommended probation now where he could have faced 12 years in prison Fuck man, this is they said John Gordon X plea bargain with the prosecution in no way affects our readiness for the trial. The that's what they said. A tragic accident has occurred. They just keep going back. It's so tragic.

Gordonick helps coach summer basketball camps operated by Caluco, who was the other guy that was testifying against him. Jesus, fuck, this is crazy, man. They said that Gordonick told the judge he walked into the room after the shooting and saw William standing naked Holding his clothes so what Okay That's a scene number one a giant man naked in the middle of the room in the dead guy naked guy. Where's your eyes go first? Wow now here's the crazy part and this this tells you a lot this guy heard the gun smoke. Wow. Now here's the crazy part. And this, this tells you a lot.

This guy heard the gunshot, a shotgun blast inside a house, no matter how big the house is and came running. By the time he got there, Jason Williams was already stripped down. So he didn't think, how can I help this guy on the ground? Oh my God. He didn't panic. Holy shit. He was already fucking adjusting evidence. Jason mode. Yeah. He was already adjusting evidence at that point. From the time it took a man to hear a shotgun blast, an athlete, by the way, a 29 year old athlete and come on there. Yeah. That's, that's fucking wild. Jason's naked standing naked, holding his clothes at' request, he took the clothes. Williams, Gordnik, and Kalukko also allegedly tried to replace Williams' fingerprints on

the shotgun with the victims and persuade other guests to say Kristoffy was upstairs alone at the time of the shooting. Holy shit. February 18, 2003 trial date is set for Jason. He's ready to go. They said everybody wants to get this thing resolved. His lawyer said, this case is about an accident. They just get every, they have to say that in every article

it has to, the word accident has to be in there. It's an accident, really. This case is about a naked man and a dead body. A naked man and another dead man. That would even look worse if you walk in on if you walk in on a scene and one dude's naked and the other guy's dead. That looks terrible. Oh my god what just happened? And he's like wipe down that gun quick. Did you rape this man and then shoot him so he wouldn't tell anyone? Did you fuck him? Peering through the gun, man. That's crazy. Holy fuck.

This is fucking insane. So October 1st, the defense seeks to throw out Jason Williams' indictment. There's no proof here. This is balls, man. They asked the judge to throw out the charges against him, hear the defense accused prosecutors of misconduct before the grand jury and indicated Williams or that indicted Williams on first-degree manslaughter charges. The defense also asked the judge to separate manslaughter and aggravated assault charges from those related to the alleged cover-up. So they said the judge here, the prosecutor, had denied the defense's accusations and said the requests were expected. And so that's going to go on. They're trying to get anything they can thrown out.

Okay, prosecutors, October 30th, 2002. Now they say Jason Williams was drunk. They say it was a night of heavy drinking, which I could have told you that because that's why he got a limo. So he could get shithammered and not have to worry about it and everybody could get drunk. That's why if you're paying for it, you're certainly Fucking getting drunk. Yeah They say that during a night of heavy drinking Jason Williams Humiliated and cursed at a limo driver before showing off with a shotgun and fatally shooting him He's oh he made fun of him? He's making fun of him. Yeah, like you're a loser and I live in a 30,000 square foot house here.

The new details of this shooting came in prosecutors response to a defense motion seeking to dismiss the charges. They go, oh, you want to dismiss them? Here, how about we publicly state way more damning facts then if you want to be plots about it. They said Williams is accused of recklessly handling the gun that killed Costas Gus, they call him, Christophe, then trying to make it look self-inflicted. In Wednesday's filing, the prosecutors gave the most complete picture yet of what

they think may have happened. Before returning to the mansion where the shooting took place, Williams and nine friends drank $627 in alcoholic beverages at a restaurant. They were the whale. Holy shit. That bar loved them. Fuck yes, they loved them. That is ridiculous. Think about nine friends, even at ten friends, that is $62.70 a pop.

Each? That's heavy, man. That's a bunch of drinks. Unless there's food involved, but if there's no food, that's all drinks, that's heavy drinking. That was just an alcohol from the bill. Wow. The two children were also present,

but the filing does not say whether they were drinking. Let's hope not. Let's hope he didn't go that far, too. Tests on a blood sample taken from Williams eight hours after the shooting. Uh-oh. Eight hours later, by the the way so unless you're real shit-faced you're gonna be so you know It's gonna be low by then showed a blood alcohol concentration concentration of 0.1 1 mmm

0.1 1 Still too drunk to drive and that is eight hours after the shooting eight Eight hours That's incredible Wow an expert for the prosecution has concluded that Williams was severely Intoxicated at the time of the shooting with a probable blood alcohol concentration of around point two two percent and they can't make That driver more of a sympathetic character meant a driver named Gus Gus the driver. Yeah that picked you up from being the sweetest sweetheart that ever sweethearted Gus cleans a lot of vomit

up from car seats you know I mean good man a man named Gus come on that's my driver Gus don't fuck with him that's what everybody would say because he's a sweet yeah don't fuck with Gus yeah Gus is cool as shit Yeah at the restaurant Christophe sat apart from the party They didn't let him sit with him and he drank coffee and perhaps had some food. So didn't always take it He's just sitting there enjoying himself. He's a driver. Yeah. Yeah, he's being cool now October 31st 2002 happy Halloween Jason because their family of Christophe Kristoff has filed a wrongful death suit against him, which you knew that was coming here, I would say. The suit was filed by his brother, Anthony Kristoffie, and his sister as well.

And the family contends that Williams owes the family for suffering and for the support Kristoffie provided as well. The lawsuit accuses him of defamation for trying to make Christophie's death look like a suicide as well. Oh that's interesting. It's a smart little angle from the lawyer. They said he killed a man for no reason whatsoever and they've just robbed us of our brother just because he's well-to-do. I don't think that he should get away with that. Fair enough. Jason Williams November 13th 2002 asks for another dismissal.

Oh, are you kidding me? He wants it. He really wants it off like he wants it to go away. You stripped your clothes off, wiped the gun down, put his fingerprints on it and jumped in a fucking pool, bro. This is going to the trial if you don't bleed. Defense lawyers described to distraught Jason Williams calling for help and diving toward a limousine driver he accidentally shot to counter prosecutors portrayal of him as cursing the other man and showing off with a shotgun. Bro if you had your clothes off and were already forensically trying to clean the scene down by the time a man got there from another room, you got over your fucking grief and your dismay real fast, I would say.

After picking on him. I'm curious what they said to him. He's a pompous asshole. He's a pompous dick who has enough money to do enough charity shit to be as big of an asshole as he wants and still get tons of positive press. That's who he is. He's a pompous dick who has enough money to do enough charity shit to be as big of an asshole as he wants and Still get tons of positive press. That's who he is. He's a piece of shit So they said that the defense said the prosecutors have given a one-sided account of the shooting he What other side is there if that evidence is true and the other side is shot in the chest and dead man

What the fuck man? December 14 2002 the judge is to settle 911 tapes in dispute. He's been asked to decide whether the county prosecutor's office was right in refusing to release the tapes of a 911 call that was made after the shooting. They said that Williams here, authorities have said that a caller placing a 911 call reported the shooting to be a suicide. Williams and two friends, Kent Coluco and John Gordnick, who's also been charged here, they said that the Courier News, based on its request in part for the fact, the part

on the fact that the records of the 911 call predate the investigation into the shooting. However, acting Hunterton County prosecutor rejected the request saying the tapes release would jeopardize the investigation and prosecution of Williams. I mean, they'll come out in court. They're going to be assumed record. They said this is an important test of New Jersey's open public records law, which specifically states that public records, which which later become part of a criminal investigation are still public records. records, which later become part of a criminal investigation, are still public records. The law is meant to curtail secrecy. The public is also entitled to know the details of the state's case against Jason Williams as to what the defense is maintaining. And that's how that goes. So December 19th, the judge again denies a motion to dismiss the charges because holy fuck. Yeah, you're going to court for this. We've gotta hash it out with a judge.

You gotta. December 2002, his daughter Triumph is born. What? Maybe wait till after court for that. You can't name that. No. Now, fuckin', okay. This is amazing. What has he done in the last year? Shoot a guy,

some charity work, quote unquote, do shit like that, got drunk a lot. Do you know how much money he's made for what he's done in the last year? $12 million. $15,125,000. What the fuck? He made that for his, that last year's worth of activities we just described to you. Holy shit. That's incredible.

What an agent. Good job. January 9th, 2003 Williams Lawyers' appeal denial of charge dismissal. So they really want it. They really want this shit dismissed. At some point you got to go, you know, they have evidence. I think this might, might be doing something here. It's possible. So his trial will not be televised or he will be televised. I'm sorry. They decided that it

will be broadcast by court TV. The judge who presided over the trial granted court TV's request and has met with the station to discuss technical issues. Williams is expected to go on trial February 18th, January 25th, 2003. Judge will not allow release of the 911 tapes. No? No, they said they're not. They said, we're disappointed that the case will not be decided on its merits, but was dismissed on procedural grounds, meaning the tapes deal, because they wanted to fight the tapes for future things to be too. It's a lot of people that had nothing to do with this case were getting involved with

that because it's a First Amendment issue that they were trying to deal with here. February 5th, 2003, February 18th trial called off. Called off, yes. Reset a date when it well a appeals court agreed to consider dismissing manslaughter charges against Jason Williams. So they it's an appeal of the denial. And so there we have to wait for them now. An appellate panel is to hear arguments from both sides. So now they have to wait till after that goes on to have a trial. This is what happens when you have a lot of money. You can manipulate

the courts. You can manipulate the courts because it's all just money. If you can pay for it, you can get continuance after continuance. But if you're not rich, you can't afford to pay your lawyer the whole time that they're working. You want to get it over with so you can get the nut over with. Get the bill up and be done. If you're rich, keep, fuck, stretch it out as long. Who gives a shit? Keep sending them. I'll pay them. Yeah. So that's what they're trying to do. February 6th, 2003, he settles the civil lawsuit. Interesting. Undisclosed? Yeah, it's going to be undisclosed. They're not going to say the settlement does not affect Williams criminal trial as well

here. I don't know what the hell he gave them, but I'd love to know that. February. It's a couple million, right? It has to be, right? Oh, yeah. It has to know what the hell he gave them, but I'd love to know that. February, it has to be, right? Oh, yeah, it has to be, has to be. Maybe that check. Maybe. Oh, you know, and you know, maybe it maybe it was in conjunction with insurance for homeowners insurance. Maybe homeowners insurance covered some of it too. Do they cover that? If somebody dies on your property, you can. And if he and if he's not adjudicated criminal behavior though If he's not adjudicated on your part criminal yet, that's true. Maybe that's Bob I think they would hold out until maybe I don't know

That's weird though. Yeah, I was like to I know there's something involved when when people get hurt on you because yeah That's part of it insurance companies pay when like if a robber falls through your roof and lands on a fucking knife An insurance company had to pay something for that Yeah, but if you drunkenly shoot a guy then try to wipe down the shotgun and hand it to him I don't know if that's count that works. Yeah, if I'm an insurance company, I'm going that's too far really Yeah, I get that we we cover a lot. But yeah We cover a lot but Jesus Christ is a lot to ask so So February 14th, 2003, year anniversary of the shooting, ESPN Classic will air a documentary on Jason Williams on the anniversary of the shooting.

It's a half hour program here, part of the Cable Network Sports Century series. Remember those? Yes, yeah. In the documentary, Williams' teammates and coaches discuss his turbulent childhood, party lifestyle and generosity. He's just going to sound like a fun loving free spirit. What a guy. The program follows him from his birth in a small South Carolina town.

His move as a small child to Manhattan's Lower East Side and his reputation as a partier during the early part of his pro career. They said that we have people who have played with him, people who have coached him and covered him, and they all agree that he's a guy who has a number of different sides to them. True, unfortunately one of them shoots people. That's the problem.

One of them's armed, armed and dangerous. Wow, Jesus Christ. So March 20th, 2003, Jason Williams' brother, we found out, is the guy who called 911. He's the guy who said it was a suicide. He said, this man has just got shot. He picked up a gun that was loaded and it shot him. The gun shot him. He didn't shoot himself.

No one else shot him. The gun took it upon itself. Like he picked up a vicious dog and bit him. Exactly. And it shot him the gun took it upon itself. Yeah Like you picked up a vicious dog in a bit exactly and it shot him. Oh, that's what happens You know this cat doesn't like to be snuggled When you hold a baby, sometimes it kicks you in the nuts. That's what happens You got to know better hold them at a distance picked up a baby after right off the tit and it How you knew it was coming? This is Victor Williams his brother who authorities have said did not see the shooting,

implored the dispatcher to send an ambulance. Background voices are audible on a copy of the 16-minute call here. At one point, someone inside the house demanded that Victor tell, Victor Williams tell the dispatcher to send help immediately for the victim. Well, what else would you say? There's a guy shot might be dying. I think they don't take their time. I think. Ask them if they can stop at Wendy's. Well, you

I'd like them to check if KFC still couple of junior bacon cheeseburgers. I'm not asking for a lot here. That is fucking wild here. The Jason Williams spokesman or spokeswoman, Judy Smith said, the call which was made immediately after the accidental shooting clearly demonstrates the concern that Jason Williams and others had for Mr. Christoffi and the desperate attempt they made to get him medical assistance. Was that before or after you swam? Did you get him medical assistance from the pool or not? Yeah. him medical assistance. Was that before or after you swam? Did you get him medical assistance from the pool or not? Yeah. It was certainly after he was naked. Think about the arrogance of just expecting everybody to cover this up for you. People

show up in the room, you're naked and you're like, take care of this for me. Wipe that down, get rid of these. Imagine the balls you have to have and some kind of control over these people. I don't know if it's a monetary thing or what, but you would say like, fuck you. What are you talking about? I'm not tampering with evidence for you. The desire of praise for doing the right thing of like, yeah, get help here fast. Like having he didn't bury the corpse in his yard wow what are we talking about he didn't even stoke the fire you guys he's a great guy he could have dismembered mr. kristoff and scattered him upside down and drained him for crepe and prepped him for

the corner scattered his parts throughout the 65 acres like a deer but he didn't that's the important part that's a stand-up guy right there. It's a hell of a fella. Oh man So he has to plead innocent again Because there's a new indictment filed to head off an attempt to dismiss the original charges It's all legal games now and he's costing people he's costing the taxpayers a lot of fucking money at this point for doing this shit I'm not even gonna get into the legalities of this but it's fucking ridiculous here the prosecutor said that he hoped to proceed to the trial in an expeditious fashion and predicted the trial would last 10 to 12 weeks, three months for this fucking trial.

Wow. That is interesting, I'll say. So they talked about the original counts and these counts, whatever. At the end, the last line of the article is his lawyer saying this was a tragic accident, not a crime. They have like, on little like, like where you can't see them,

only you can see it from the inside of your glasses where it just says tragic accident. Just keep saying tragic accident. It like lights up and flashes in there. Talking points, man. Totally. They say 911 tapes release not an open door. The release of the 911 tapes to the public will still be considered on a case by case basis, they said after they finally, the Courier News won the release of the manslaughter 911 tapes here. So they said this, it'll

still be case by case in the you know in the future. This doesn't like say now anybody can just get the tapes whenever they want. So April of 2003 Jason Williams agent enters pretrial probation. Okay. Yes this is Salvatore DeFazio. Hey Sally DeFazio where's my fucking contract? Sally, what are we doing here? Are we signing this or what, Sally? What's going on here?

So Salvatore DeFazio is charged with illegally transferring ownership of a shotgun to the former NBA star. Oh. That's what he's charged with. Yep, he entered a year-long program saying the charge will be dismissed if he completes it. The gun that DeFazio left at Williams Mansion was not the one used to shoot the guy, but it was another gun and when they were trying to figure out where all the guns came from,

they realized he illegally transferred it. How would this agent think that they're at, he's going to go put it in his 30,000 square foot mansion, no one will ever see this. Now I got to go to court new motions filed in April of 2003 saying Jason Williams attorneys want a racial and Ethnic breakdown of the grand jurors who indicted him now They want to get the grand grand jury indictment thrown out so we can pick them apart Well, you're half black part Polish Irish and Italian. You're pretty covered on whoever they fucking pick What do you got white guys? Well, you're part that what do you got black guys? You're pretty covered on whoever they fucking pick. What do you got, white guys?

Well, you're part that. What do you got, black guys? Well, you're part that. What is that, a Polak? You're part that. The Guineas, you're part that too. It doesn't fucking matter. You're everything.

You're like five things. Who gives a shit at that point? So I get that he's considered black, but still, he's a lot of shit, and he also considers a lot of his Italian. His agent's Sal DeFazio, for Christ's sake. Think there's a lot of non-Guinea players hiring Sal DeFazio. Probably not.

So they said that their attorneys want letters printed on court stationery and sent to the grand jurors asking whether they are black, white or another race and whether they are Hispanic. The lawyers said they need those numbers to know whether one race or ethnicity is routinely excluded from grand juries in Huntington County. And this is the only time we've noticed it is just in this case because, you know, Jason Williams is a downtrodden guy just trying to get a fair shake in the world here. Poor guys hurt.

That is fucking amazing. So the defense layers also are asking to have the charges from the shooting considered separately from those dealing with the aftermath of the, you know the tampering with evidence and that sort of thing here. April 30th, 2003, Jason Williams, they said a police officer is accused of interfering with the investigation into the shooting death at his home. That happened, I guess. Eric Elena was indicted on charges that he went to Williams' home after the shooting and told witnesses to lie or withhold investigation

from investigators. He was off duty at the time. He called the cop buddy of his to come over and talk to the cops, help out with this shit. He was telling them what to say. You know what they're going to do, so come show them don't do that. Wow. And it'll look better if there's a cop.

They're going, oh, I'm a cop too. Yeah, no, this was an accident. I was here, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, homicide cops don't give a fuck about this guy, and it has to be ruled a suicide before they care. So May 10, 2003, former NBA star Jason Williams, who's accused in the shotgun death of a limousine driver at his home, plans to renovate a car wash business and operate it himself. Says his spokeswoman.

That's it. She said the former New Jersey Nets forward will also conduct sports clinics for children. He's just going to be a blue collar down to earth, wash your car, teach your kid how to shoot the fucking fadeaway jumper kind of a guy. That's how he's gonna make his checks, huh? That's it. So now Williams' lawyers are again posing questions on racial bias at this point.

His defense team filed motions to gain access to the records and several other parts of their case, talking about personnel records of state police who investigated the fatal shooting last year. It was all their fault now. They said, while the defense has not had access to private files, a review of the internet and publicly filed documents have revealed that a substantial number, nearly 10 percent of the state police involved on the witness list in this matter have lied or have had incidents, allegations, or investigations

surrounding racial bias complaints against minorities. How many of those minorities live in a 30,000 square foot house and made 15 fucking million dollars a year? That's what I'd love to know. Show me that. Show me that. Because I don't give a fuck, man. When you're...

There's racism, whatever. There's all that shit But no one who lives in a 30,000 square foot house making 15 million a year. It's a lot different Yeah, you can't relate to somebody living in Queens or Yes, and especially a very famous person these cops have tried to kiss his ass for fucking years And that's that's what I'm saying You're gonna get you're much more likely to have your ass kissed than fucking kicked at this point if you're that wealthy. There are some that I'm sure pissy and jealous and this fucking this fucking guy just because he's a tall son now he gets money and but that's probably a lot less I would say.

The court documents which include a 42 page motion to dismiss the aggravated manslaughter indictment against him and also a motion to change venue are intended to directly challenge the integrity of the grand jury that indicted Jason, the defense attorney said. They also challenged the notion of future trial fairness and evidence reliability. Well, it's all fucked now. Let's just let him go. Amazing when you have money to pay lawyers with the fucking what they're able to come up with. Yeah, if I ever do anything, I really, really wish that I have that I have this kind of money.

In an attempt to prove what he's saying here, Williams lawyers hired their own expert, Paul J. Strand, to survey 908 residents in Hunterton, Bergen and Mercer counties about the case. The survey, which conducted survey which was conducted throughout April and early May had a sampling error of less than 5.6%. Of the 303 Hunterton residents interviewed by phone, 82% had some knowledge about the case compared with 46% in Bergen and 45% in Mercer counties. So that's why they want a change of venue

because they're saying too many people know about the case. But unless they formed opinions on it, that's the main thing, if you formed opinions. It's not about if you've heard the case before, or heard of it. Being aware is one thing, but being so aware that you know what your decision is on it already. You've adjudicated him guilty in your head.

That's what you can't do. Like, you couldn't find 12 people on earth who didn't know who O.J. Simpson was in 1996. So they had to, couldn't say, do you know who he is? Yes, okay, you're dismissed. That didn't work. It had to be, I named my first kid Orenthal, then they might release you. But other than that. So May 25th, 2003, this is from the Central New Jersey Home News. Shame on lawyers for playing the race card. I'm enraged that Jason Williams, the ex-basketball star who accidentally shot and killed a limousine driver while at his home and his attorneys would actually stoop to the level of accusing

investigators who handled the case of being biased. Okay, listen, that happens too. Everybody calm down. There's a lot of bias. There's a lot of bias. Most rich people, it's not against them. Let's just say that. Let's be fucking honest and not stupid here. So they said, how dare Mr. Williams and his multi- million dollar defense team attack the credibility of the police? Well, that is exactly what their jobs are. That's why. Sure. Yeah. Exactly what their jobs are. When it was Mr. Williams who has ducked all the responsibilities for his actions. Well, his only responsibility

is to hire lawyers to plead his case. That's his responsibility at this point, legally anyway. Here we go again with the don't look at what I did. Look at what they have done. Look at what they may have done theory. Sounds like OJ Simpson, doesn't it? Does it? It's a travesty to have lawyers who use the race card as their big defense for their guilty clients. Reports are that the defense team has found that nearly one in 10 police officers in New Jersey

have had a racial bias allegation made against them. I'm actually surprised the number isn't much higher considering the political climate in this state. It's common knowledge in law enforcement that if you happen to stop a minority you may face a racial profiling allegation. So that has made them still be pulled over like eight times more than anybody else. So they're acting like cops are walking around scared of black people to pull oh we can't we can't mess with the black guy, we'll get brought up on charges. No, they're still fucking with them way more.

That's just, if you wanna talk about numbers in reality, that's reality, not fucking politics or whatever. So they said, this has done to cause the officer to shy away from any kind of contact with the minority who may or may not have been involved in some kind of criminal activity. Horse shit, horse shit. This is, this is bullshit. It flies in some kind of criminal activity. Horse shit. Horse shit. This is bullshit.

It flies in the face of everything that we know. This is right wing propaganda. I'm just going to say it right now. That's what this is. That's crazy. I don't like any wing, so fuck you and stick your wing up your fucking asses, cunts, and I don't want any messages saying, you liberal, you can suck my fucking Italian balls. I'll put them right over your face.

I don't fucking care. Me and Sal DeFazio will fucking Eiffel Tower you and clap cannoli clad hands in the middle, you cunt fuck. Don't come at me like that. This is bullshit right wing media bullshit. That shit. Said to muddy the water and cause frustration. To piss dumb people off who don't fucking know any better.

Again, let's be honest, that's what they're doing. Whether it's this one or fucking Tucker dick fuck or anybody else. I got a lot of audience of dumb fucks. Let me tell them shit that they'll make them mad, whether it's true or not. Right. And that's politics.

Common things that are obvious. Very easily googled. For any side. Very easily googled things I'm gonna say them and pretend they're real and it's fucking crazy And that's what this person is doing there They made a straw man that says cops are turned the other direction while well There's a black guy fucking just raping a woman right in the street. Just a blonde woman. Just going at it

Don't touch him. We'll get trouble. Yeah, we're gonna get in trouble guys Don't mess with the black guy. Let him let him finish his rape in first and then we'll get to him Fuck out of here. The allegation itself puts the officer on the defensive and may ultimately cause police officers Perhaps to look the other way past violators. That's crazy horse shit. Yeah Cops, they just shy away from the poor. They've never bust them They've they're going to fucking rich neighborhoods now to fuck with people No past color-crete and all that Wow So to say judge so to Jason Williams and his dream team of defense attorneys you have now stooped to the level of Al Sharpton

Congratulations. Oh my god. Don't make it about me. Who is this person? Who wrote this article? There's no fucking name on it. They don't even take some pussy didn't even put their name on this shit. Well, who paid you for this? That's the Central New Jersey home news. That's what the article is from. So who knows some fucking twat housewife wrote that or some idiot who didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. Well did you know that both Jason Williams wore the same number if they couldn't? I did.

Fucking annoy us enough. That was so fucking annoying. You couple of dicks. Oh man and the other Jason Williams is like look I'm a douche and a terrible fucking passer and everything but I didn't kill anybody. Seriously. Well, this is, you know what? It's partially his fault just for doing that. He should have known that guy wears 55. I can't wear that. And why would you wear that number? Who would choose that?

We're the same name. And then he went by Jay after a while, which there was another guy then that was drafted named Jay Williams from the Bulls. So it was a complete mess. And Jason Williams, the one that actually shot somebody, where is spelled J-A-Y. So it would lead you to that's Jay Williams. Why would you why would you do? Yes. Fucking asshole. You just nailed it, Jimmy.

You just fucking complete. Why would you do any of that? You're doing it on purpose. You know that you're the inferior Jason. You know you are. You know you you are that's why no one paid you 100 million dollars for your bullshit Nobody gives a shit Now you have to go on to podcasts and when you're fucking careers over and tell stupid stories that nobody gives a shit about

Tell stories about how guys were fucking would talk shit that you were white and then see you playing oh no He's all right. That's all his stories. That's all of his stories, by the way. Every single Jason Williams story is that exact. I've heard five of them, they're all the same. Yeah. All the fucking same. I heard one that he got paid to play in another country and he acted up because he wanted to get thrown out of the game and then they had to bring him back in

because they paid him so much money. I don't know. I don't know. People paid for these tickets. What's so much money? What's so much money to, you know what I mean? Yeah, who knows what that's even, especially. Is it the GDP of the country? Is that what they paid you? Yeah, it was the GDP. What's so much money? What's so much money? You know what I mean? That's, yeah, who knows what that's even, especially. Is it the GDP of the country?

Is that what they paid you? Yeah, it was the GDP of Estonia. What are we talking about? Where was it? You're fucked. So July 2nd, 2003, Jason Williams' trial date delayed again. This is just... Golly.

Just years of delay. Retaping your accuracy. Yep. It's amazing that there, if you have lawyers, you can just keep fuckin' doing this. Now, July 23rd, right after that article, it's like two days later, I wanna say, after this article. No, that's just, it's a couple of weeks later. The next article about him in the Courier News

is Williams repaving ball court for tourney. Oh, what a guy. Isn't that nice? He better be doing it by hand. No no no. He better not be paying for it. He better be out there with a fucking... Under the picture it says construction workers lay asphalt Tuesday. So yep he's not even down there with a roller. He's gonna be out there with a fucking front end loader dropping asphalt. I would love to see that. With the help of workers from his father's

construction company. Is that right? H. Williams Paving, I'm sure as he bought for his dad, is repaving the court at Madison Avenue Playground for four day basketball tournament filled with contests, street legends, and some intense competition. Who gives a fuck? He said, I knew, oh this is the organizer, Jabbar Jones.

I knew that from day one, he was a very community-oriented, family-oriented kind of guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Anything he could do for anybody, he would. Yeah. Anything. That's when they take your patriarch out of your family. Oh, wow, that is wild shit, man.

So, that's he keeps going on talking about what a great guy he is and then they of course say you know he's got these charges against him but then they go on to say Jason has a long history of giving to the community and charitable services and unlike a lot of people a lot of other people it's not always money he gives time effort and energy so this is nothing new you know who said that his spokeswoman Judy Smith Judy Smith is like I can't say any more good about this guy these aren't in her paycheck that's for sure holy fuck the tournament's budget couldn't finance the

job because it's a $7,000 job and Jason though he said where they he wanted to do it he just said no, I'll give the money. I mean, it is a write-off, so. August 8th, 2003, Judge refuses to throw out manslaughter case again for Jason Williams, which is this picture you gotta see. It's from the newspaper. He's looking at his lawyer like,

you gonna get me out of this motherfucker? I paid you so much fucking money. I am gonna shoot you with a shotgun in my bedroom if you don't fucking clear this up fast Where's Judy? Where's Judy? So I'd like to testify on me on my own behalf, but instead of me, I'm sending Judy my spokesperson She knows how to say the things just right I fuck it up, you know what I mean? so the She knows how to say the things just right. I fuck it up. You know what I mean? So also the judge granted a defense request agreeing to order gun manufacturer Browning

to present all records on accidental discharge claims for shotguns since 1980. He wants 25 years of accidental discharge. They're going to try to blame the shotgun manufacturer that this just easily goes off on its own all the time. It's not a thing. You shot a guy with 15 fucking people in your house and tried to cover it up.

Plead guilty, get the best deal you can, and move the fuck on, asshole. Jesus, this is just irritating. I've never heard of one firing on its own. I've heard of them not firing when you try, you know what I mean? That happens. just going off. The Tech 9 is storied for never working.

But if they're built to work, they generally fucking work. Generally, yeah, I'm sure they're gonna work and they're not gonna just. And Browning's one of the top fucking manufacturers. That's a nice shotgun. They're saying this is the accidental death gun of the 90s here it's just you got a Browning here in deep shit you're gonna turn it in it's it's worse than boars me boars had me yeah it's you can't there's listeria on those slugs watch out September 20th

2003 yeah oh boy the central New Jersey home news again. Here we go. A former NBA star's case may proceed cops' trial. They talk about how a Hunterton County prosecutors, if they have their way, a Bridgewater police officer accused of interfering in the Jason Williams investigation, won't go before a jury until the trial is over. The prosecutor told a Superior Court judge that Eric Olana's trial will have to take a backseat to the much anticipated Williams trial. Okay, they talk about Olana, the cop, off-duty cop, was indicted on charges of official misconduct

and tampering with witnesses. He had been suspended without pay from the Bridgewater Police Department since the incident. The prosecutor said it's not a realistic possibility to move ahead with this trial, primarily because of how this relates to the Jason Williams case. Jason Williams will probably be subpoenaed and called as a witness. I'm suggesting we try this case immediately after the Jason Williams case. Let's get one out and another out. Elena's attorney, Brian Neary of Hackensack,

said the idea of Williams testifying at his client's trial was a quote, fantasy. He said, this is the first time I've ever heard that Jason Williams is expected to be a witness in this case. Mr. Elena's life is on hold here, and he's entitled to his right to a speedy trial. Okay, change of venue ordered for this case, which it probably should have been a change of venue.

Everybody knows that. We definitely want fairness, even though this guy's a fucking jerk off. Fairness is good. They say that defense lawyers have asked for the move due to an avalanche of publicity. So they're going to be moved here. Now the trooper investigation sues Williams and lawyers, the trooper who's being investigated. Okay, a state trooper who helped investigate a federal, a fatal shooting at the home has filed a slander lawsuit against Jason Williams and his lawyers.

The suit filed by James Kiernan accuses the lawyers of making defamatory, libelous, and slanderous statements in court papers and in open court in their defense of Williams. Charles Skjara Kiernan's lawyer said they got incorrect information about Kiernan's suspension from the job in 1989 and used it with malicious intent. They said, he cast Jimmy Kiernan as an anti-Semite, one of the most malicious slurs that one can be labeled with. Well, I didn't hear in all the things Jason Williams is, fucking Jewish isn't one of them, by the way.

So what are we talking about? He said that Kiernan has had his name attached to purposeful distortions and dragged through the media. Williams' lawyers are seeking the employment records of five state police officers involved in the investigation. Yeah. Generally, an anti-semite is anti-fucking everything. of five state police officers involved in the investigation. Generally, an anti-Semite is anti-fucking everything. Usually, they hate everybody.

Usually Jews are the tip of the iceberg of what they hate. They generally wear that black and red and white thing around their arm. They hate a lot of things. They're specifically, though. That's fucking hilarious. So they're saying they're seeking punitive damages now That if someone says something about you and it isn't true and you believe it's not true to me That that's a good way to say that you didn't that it's not true

You put the put that shit in court and now okay Show me where it's true. Yeah, and if it is true, it'll come out in court So now his trial is now scheduled for January of 2003 Yes, they're saying that two and a half years two and a half years have gone by at the point where they announced that it'll be in January and It's fucking wild man. They stay talk about all this and they're they're really They're acting like it's gonna be this trial of the century and what information is gonna come out They talk about all this and they're really, they're acting like it's gonna be this trial of the century

and what information's gonna come out, but this is very damning information. The thing is. I haven't heard anything that's really exculpatory. OJ, if OJ had 15 people with him, his ass would have been convicted of murder. That's the way it works. Somebody's going to flip.

Yeah. And tell what happened. All of these people have done that and they're all saying he did this shit and it's his shotgun in his house and his limo driver and his clothes with blood spatter on them and his brother, his dick's out. No one else's dick is in the room with a deceased man. Nobody. So it's very fucking strange, but that is where we're gonna leave part two. My Christ!

We're gonna, well, he's gotta go to trial. Yeah. He's gotta go to trial. He's gotta do this. We're gonna talk all about this. Jason! And we will have a part three and he's been quite a jerk off since then too. He's an asshole this guy. He's a real annoying son of a bitch he's a real dickhead this guy I'm just gonna say that he really annoys me and it sucks because he's a guy that minus that and my honestly put it this way if

he just never played with fucking guns I'd probably love this guy because the things I'm really mad at him for are almost killing a wide receiver for no reason and shooting a limo driver All the other stuff is just kind of you know I don't know athlete going out of the town doing and I'm shit and he really did that a great job Fleecing the NBA sure he was he was good Oh, but but not a hundred million dollars go now. He did a great job his timing was impeccable His timing he had the timing of like Garth Brooks in the CD wave like he had the same

Timing of like yeah, just have mediocre shit and he'll get so much money because that's what happens now So sure what I mean, yeah, that's that's his fucking thing. So he's a lucky fucking Wow, what a lucky guy again lucky again fucking Pollock Irishman. So he's a mess and Jason Williams, we'll be going to trial in our next part. So we'll get to that. Now if you enjoyed the show, tell the world about it.

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