Crime in Sports - #428 - Prince Of Peace - Jayson Williams - Part 4

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

This week, we finish up this epic tale of a fall from grace with Jayson repeatedly getting his reckless manslaughter trial delayed. While we wait, his wife files for divorce, making some pretty strong accusations, and Jayson is arrested a couple more time. One of these arrests has him telling police a hilariously ridiculous lie, to try to keep from getting arrested. Does he actually end up in prison? Will he turn it around & be "good, now"? Repeatedly delay your retrial, get arrested for other dumb stuff, while telling everyone how you're just a wonderful guy, and sweep it all under the rug with a newfound obsession with God with Jayson Williams - Part 4!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That said, let's get right into, oh you get a shout out too at the end of the show. Yeah, of course, yeah. Let's get back into this here. Now we're going to pick back up with Jason in 2005. He had just sold his giant estate. That was his, you know, 65 acre, 27,000 square foot. What did he get? Eight million for it? That's all? Only eight million for it because he sold it in 2005. Still the real estate was going up. I don't know shit It's almost peaked there. Yeah, I don't understand why it was only that. I mean, I guess there's not a lot of buyers for a rural

rural, New Jersey 65 who the fuck wants 27,000 square foot 65 acres of the taxes on that to the property taxes are probably ridiculous So better off buying a brownstone and fucking Queens or something. Oh, you know, that'll go up and up and up. So where is this rural New Jersey shit? I don't know how that's going to be. So I don't know. The guy that bought it was a guy who owned a petroleum services corporation. So that boring guy, I doubt the same, the same level of craziness will be going on at the house, I don't think. Yeah.

I don't know. Those guys have a shitload of shotguns. You know what? Possibly. It's possible. Who knows? Don't go to his house. He might be a little more boring, I'm thinking, but maybe not.

He might be a little crazy. He probably has a little better trigger discipline. I'll bet you that. Either that or he's like a crazy Yosemite Sam guy. Yeah, just shooting holes in the drywall every day. He's like, one time when I was a kid back in Oklahoma, I just shot, he basically tells the Beverly Hillbilly story and he's just like, I shot a hole in the ground and I'll tell you what, next thing you know, I'm a rich, rich man.

He's firing slugs through quarter inch drywall. Which is crazy because poor family, when I was a kid, kids were the plow. We didn't even have no donkeys or horses or nothing. Yeah, no horses, nothing. We'd drag it. By the way, that's Lyndon Johnson's story. Is that, he said that he would drag it? No, no, no.

When he was a kid, his family was so poor that he was the plow. Him and his siblings, they could not afford animals on the farm, so they would strap the plows to the kids. I was like, no, that's poor. I don't think we know what poor is anymore. I don't think we know what poor is anymore. That's poor. No running water either.

That's probably how he grew such a giant crank, because he did have a huge crank. Oh, everybody knows that Lyndon Johnson had a giant dick. Huge dick. And he used to hold meetings while he took a shit, which is hilarious. He used to hold meetings while he's taking a dump and there's fucking eight guys standing outside the stall taking notes as he talks, smelling his shit, his presidential fucking dump. That's hilarious.

So anyway, December 27th, 2005, it is announced that Jason Williams will be retried on a manslaughter charge, on that reckless charge for the shooting here. He tries to fight it and obviously appeals that and so the court finally goes all the way through and the court decides that yes, he can be retried for that even though he was acquitted of the aggravated manslaughter. Because I guess there's...

Oh. He was acquitted of that, so they're trying to say it's double jeopardy to try him again, but it's like, no, no, no, you got acquitted of that, not this. Which is interesting. So they're trying a different charge. It's very, very interesting. Yeah, that's wild. I'm surprised nobody tried that with O.J.

Like, okay, how about this? What do you think of that? It seems as though the court and the judge is not thrilled with what he was given. No, no, absolutely not. They definitely want to give him something here. Justice is not served. The judge said it isn't really a second prosecution, it's a continuation of the same prosecution and the panel said that it is impossible to determine what evidence the jury used to support the acquittal on the aggravated

charge. So that's what they're talking about here. So May 1st, 2006, four years later, they're talking about how basically the Gus Christofi's family is like still waiting for something to fucking happen here. Yeah, entertain that. Been four years. I mean, we got some money out of this guy, but who gives a shit basically. Yeah, they said that his sister, Christoffi's sister, said that she's very angry about how

he was killed. She believes that Williams humiliated and taunted her brother at the restaurant and then came in and shot him in the house. And she said if it had just been an unfortunate accident, I could accept it, but it wasn't. She thinks it's calculated murder, huh? Yeah, I think she thinks that he just didn't give a fuck

about this guy so much that he was, didn't care if he shot him even. So, which I mean, that's, from what everybody said, that seems correct. Most plausible, yeah. Yeah, he didn't shoot one of his ex-teammates, he shot the even. Which I mean, from what everybody said, that seems correct. Most plausible, yeah. He didn't shoot one of his ex-teammates, he shot the limo driver. It wasn't pointing the fucking...

He shot the guy that he was fucking with. Yeah, he didn't point the gun at a Harlem Globetrotter and say, hey, what do you got? Benoit Benjamin didn't have a gun in his face. So it's very fucking interesting. Anyway, they had the last one on the reckless manslaughter charge. The jury was eight to four in favor of acquittal when they were deadlocked. So I mean, he was two thirds of the way acquitted of that too.

So that is rough though. She also, the sister also says it was a mockery, not a fair trial. The judge ruled in favor of the defense on everything That is true, too They really got a lot of favorable rulings in that you'd have to To shoot a guy in front of a bunch of people and not get anything for it You'd have to be you you know you have to get a lot of good rulings for that man. That's That's fucking crazy. So and then they keep talking about whether the dogs, the shooting of the dog where he made

his friends go bury the fucking dog, if that is going to be admissible in this, because that's a big deal here. Because I mean, that shows just cruelty. Callous, yeah. Callous and with a gun too. Disregard. Not even disregard. He shot the dog on purpose and then pointed it at his friend and said

I'll shoot you too. I mean he's just, this guy uses guns to solve all of his problems. Want menace. Which usually if a guy's got that much money, use money to solve your problems, not guns. What's wrong with you, Jesus Christ. So among all this great publicity that he's got, because obviously he's a valued member of the community, clearly you gotta have him around. June 25th, 2006, Jason Williams and his wife

open up a restaurant. Well, that's the- But not a franchise, but something he's gonna attach his name to? They're gonna open a, him and his wife, Tanya, they plan to open a franchise of try J's waffles and chicken and Trenton in about two months they said which a restaurant you need the most like positive likeable people likeable people a positive just image and it's a restaurant

you know like it's a it's a total choice It's there's the most restaurants you can buy you can get food anywhere So, yeah, why would they people want to give him their money for chicken? I don't understand you got to trust the guy that you're there. Yeah, Peter Piper pizza and Phoenix that Tony come He was the most trusting that's we have to be on TV. Yeah have to be you can't be fucking you The Wendy's guy he was a total asshole in real life, but on TV he was, hey, let me get one of those doubles. He looked like a great dad. Yeah, he looked like a great guy.

He's operating the fry machine. Fucking man, yeah, he's back there just doing it up. He's got Wendy on the other fry machine. It's a real personalized fucking. He's wearing a paper hat, for Christ's sake. No shit, man. Even Colonel Sanders, who was cosplaying a... Some racist...

Antebellum fucking... Who's some sort of weird, like... Yeah. I don't know, some sort of weird slavery cosplay program he was running. I don't know what was up, but he seemed friendly enough to eat his chicken. Seemed like he probably had some really nice slaves making that beautiful chicken or it seemed like he's so well trusted that even the people He owned ate the chicken happily or at least that part was the chicken was good You know what I mean like that's what it seemed like they were trying to tell us herbs and spices right they can have some too

Whereas I know this guy's who's gonna be like buckshot in the chicken. I don't want this did he shoot it himself Plantation owning very strange bad guy Mask I I'm gonna drive. I turned him into like a cartoon now, which is different, but at the time it was like, hello. It's a real face. Yeah. I'm sure at one point in the 60s when he was doing a commercial,

he said the word darkie and didn't mean a thigh. You know what I mean? Didn't mean meat. No, not at all. You're like, what the fuck are we watching right now? He definitely didn't mean a wing. Yeah. I stole this recipe. Yeah. That's the thing. So they also said that not only are they going to do that, they say that, well, they say they, the other thing they're doing is they're saying that they want to have several investments in downtown

Trenton like this is a publicity effort To show what good guys they are or what good people they are. They said because Trenton had a lot of violence That year they said Trenton saw a record 31 homicides the year before so they're like maybe if we open up some businesses She's saying she says they also plan to open up some consignment shops and a wellness center so you're gonna open up a pawn shop which is just what a shit low-income neighborhood needs right anything else you want to open maybe a liquor store or a casino or you know something like that for these people they can really fucking that's Here, here's unhealthy food and a place to sell us your shit for cheap. That's great. Thanks. Thanks for revitalizing the neighborhood,

folks. And that's what Jason Williams is up to now. That's what he's doing. They said they're going to do that, a consignment shop, a wellness center, a wellness center which will feature a library and fitness facilities. Great. And they said they're already invested in car washes in Plainfield as well as businesses in Newark and a construction company in South Carolina. And they said, we're just very happy to be contributors to the communities of something

other than shotgun shells into people. And sadness. And sadness and shit. So last, the week before this, she hosted, Tanya, his wife, hosted a presentation on slavery and emancipation at a downtown storefront for Juneteenth that year. So they're trying to really play, they're trying to really play the we are just good, like leaders of our community card rather than we are half on trial for shooting a guy who's also was a member of this community. So there's that. The court then August 25 2006 the court reinstates a suit against Jason Williams. This is a lawsuit

charging that Jason, Jason Williams and his lawyers slandered a state trooper who investigated the shooting. Because that was part of their legal strategy was to denigrate the investigators. So they said a three panel judge ruled that trooper James Kiernan was entitled to have complaints in his defamation lawsuit considered true before any dismissal, finding that a judge failed to give him the required benefit of the doubt when they tossed the lawsuit. So yeah, they just tossed it out. Now I guess the yeah, that's what happened there.

So October 31st, 2006. It's Halloween, baby. The Supreme Court to decide limits in the retrial. The New Jersey Supreme Court hears arguments and they're gonna decide whether Williams's conduct after the shooting, which authorities claim was an attempt to cover up, will be revealed to jurors at his retrial.

What? Why would he? Okay, you shot a guy and you wiped the prints clean, put the gun in his hand, took all your clothes off, told the guy to get rid of them and jumped in your fucking swimming pool. I think that's extremely relevant to whether you thought what you did was a fucking wrong or an accident or anything. Whether you see right or wrong here, all of those facts matter.

That's a huge attempt at cover up. I mean, fucking, that's what they always get people on for the murder. Yeah. Well, why is he trying to cover. Yeah. What's your behavior before and after? Yeah, especially if they say it was an accident or self-defense. They really look at the behavior before and after to see what you did. Did you sit right next to the body and try to give CPR while on the phone? That's the only thing that really you should be doing. If you do anything outside of that, that's fucking weird.

That's fucking ridiculous. When Williams though, he wants the evidence left out of the trial, they're talking about anything that could be potentially inflammatory in nature. You know, like shooting a guy for no fucking reason. Potentially infl- seems, what the fuck man. So they said to allow, the prosecutor said to allow the current ruling to stand is to withhold from the jury what truly happened that night. Because at the moment is, you know, they're saying that you can't have that stuff in. So that's why they're appealing this.

So the chief justice of the Supreme Court said the court would reserve decision on whether to allow the evidence. So man, there's by the way, the trial is not expected to start until spring of 2007. Wow, this happened so fucking long ago, man. That is, that's crazy. They said that it seems, one of the judges said, it seems to me that if the cover-up evidence gets to a jury, most prosecutors would only need about a three-minute summation. Yeah, that's why I don't understand how the jury just acquitted him last time.

That's wild. It's fucking crazy. I agree with that shit there. Now, April 12th, 2007, they say, they now say that Jason Williams' jury can hear the coverup evidence. So they're gonna hear all about the wiping of the prints and all of that.

They overturned both, the New Jersey Supreme Court overturned both the trial and appellate court decisions to do this so they had to take it all the way to the Top top court to do this Yeah They said post consciousness of guilt evidence can illuminate the defendant's state of mind in a crime involving recklessness is what the Decision wrote which I think is very fair here But then I judge bars part of the 911 call

from the retrial. It's not the facts, it's what is allowed to be, it's like rules in a game, you know what I mean? That's the important part. Like people always talk about like in the NBA, could players now play in the 80s and 90s? Could 90s players play now? Well, it depends on what fucking rules we're playing under.

Are we allowing that gather step? If we're allowing a travel, it's a travel. It's not a gather step, it's not a euro step. It's a travel step is what that's called. It's a fucking step. It's a travel as well. All it is. Yeah, if you're allowing a travel and well actually if you're allowing a fucking travel and carrying is allowed, then I think the guys in the fucking 90s would do better than they did in the 90s because no one can touch them. And a bunch of calls wouldn't have been called.

Do you remember, let's take, okay, a guy that was not a gigantic superstar, but an all-star and a very underrated player, and a guy we'll probably do an episode about one day too, because he had some things. Kevin Johnson, think about a guy like Kevin Johnson. Kevin Johnson does not get remembered really nowadays. No, well I mean, there's no reason to forget. But I mean on the court though.

Yeah, yeah. We talk about everybody, that's great. So they talk about fucking Allen Iverson, he did way more than him, you know what I mean? True. So a great player too, don't get me wrong but Kevin Johnson watch his highlights was a bad motherfucker like yeah he was a quick son of a bitch he dumped on a 6'1 dunking on Olajuwon he had ups he was fucking nasty he could

shoot he could pass when he used to drive the lane to kick the ball out they would fucking just salivate to clothesline him to the ground. If you couldn't do and when he's on the outside they're hand checking him so he's got his back to the basket he's playing he's not playing straight looking at the guy. If you take all that away Kevin Johnson would have been fucking 28 points a game he would have fucking if you put him in the league today he will own that fucking league you know what I'm saying you might be right it'd be certainly he'd certainly be one of the best point guards because his because fundamentals were insane too can shoot he's got ups he's crazy athletic all these people go passes were crazy good yeah they're saying people are all

there's they're more athletic now no no no when you're 6-1 and you jumped up last time guys would fucking tackle you from the air. So it didn't matter if you were athletic. That was the point. Whereas now you could display that. Not a lot of athleticism you can pull when a forearm is in your fucking neck. No, of a guy that outweighs you by 80 pounds and is a foot taller than you. There's not much you can do about that.

But that's what they did. Even Michael Jordan, the fucking pistons used to tackle him when you come in the fucking lane Oh god, there's there there are videos of people not even making a play on the ball just to tackle him macking That's it. That's all they do. Don't bring that shit here. No easy layups. Now. Nobody does that You're yeah, you'd be fucking oh you get you get ejected if you if you took one half of any You get you get ejected if you if you took one half of any Utah jazz Basketball game Carl Malone would be thrown out of the league for just his pick setting back then That was just the pick setting back then would get a guy tossed out of the league in one fucking game

Nowadays, you're not those are and that's fine Fuck they were great fucking checks and and screens so I enjoyed I enjoyed it But that's a different game, but I mean if you put those guys if you put everybody equal maybe But if you put the guys now back then I don't think they're used to the game But if you think it's gambling that did that to it. Yes, I gotta be right. They wanted to get everything soft They wanted the game to be more entertaining. They wanted it to be more high scoring So that's when they took away the hand check in the late 90s there. When they took away the hand check that changed the game completely because now you can face to the basket beyond the three point line. Whereas before you'd be turned and the guy would have your fucking, he'd be gripping your fucking hip. So you have less vision to pass, you

have less everything. Plus he knows where you're going, there's fucking hip. So you have less vision to pass, you have less everything, plus he knows where you're going, there's no movement. When you're facing the guy and he can't touch you at all, he doesn't know whether you're gonna pass, whether you're gonna go by him, whether you're gonna fucking pull up. They have no idea now.

So it's just a matter of rules, it's not a matter of skills or anything else. Yeah, and it seems like it was done this way too, to make the game more more and make sure that those players are in so that they could predict better too. That helps too. I mean, yeah. Keeping those guys in to predict the score and make the gamble, because gambling has

changed everything. Everything, yeah. Every sport has new rules in the last 15, 20 years. And the only thing that's really changed is that now you can legally bet on the shit. That's true. That's true I but that every sport has tried to keep it like moving more Yeah, that seems to be like keep it flowing don't take take the hitches out of the games Which is and I think that's because the hitches are what get people injured in which change the game tremendously Yeah

And if you if you keep the guys in and have a numbers game going that you can figure out based on statistics how these guys are going to perform, you can pick what the score is going to be. And if that person is out, then you can't fucking pick it. And it was fantasy and then it kind of went into gambling after that. And baseball, they just tried to take away. People would go, baseball, it's too slow. Okay, well then we'll speed it up. Okay, well now it's not baseball anymore. Now it's a different game. Now you got guys. It's very weird to watch.

Now you got guys going 50-50, and I get, listen, Otani's amazing. He's fucking amazing. If you put him up there, he's just, he is just as good as any of the guys that you're gonna talk about in the past. Prime Barry Bonds or fucking Otani, I'll take Bonds all day long just because he's meaner.

Yeah, but I didn't get to go to a lot of games when I was a kid. Going to a game and watching, I've never seen a swing like that in my entire life. The, he's fucking incredible. His swing, I don't know, that's not what's impressive. He's a great hitter, he's a great player. The mechanics of what he's got is is unbelievable

I mean not any better than anybody else though. That's that doesn't Ken Griffey jr. Swing was literally Yeah, it was fucking art Barry Bonds again. I never got so amazing I never got to watch it in real life like on on on the field You know you can watch anything on TV, and it looks amazing I guess but I never got to go to many games watching Otani up close, I've never seen anything like that before. That's, I, he looks like a robot. He looks like a lot of guys used to look. Ken Griffey Jr. looked exactly the same. Bo Jackson looked like a fucking robot. He climbed fucking walls and jumped up. He's nothing special when it comes to that. They try to make it because they want

the game to be marketed and that's great. Yes. They need the money. He's a new type of human that's better than every, whatever you want to fucking marketed and that's great. Yes, he's a new type of human that's better than every whatever you want to fucking say. He's a great player but there hasn't been a 50-50 until you said you can't fucking throw over to the bag more than a couple times and you can't. So yeah, after twice now you can steal. And you have a play clock. Oh what? And there's a play clock. That's the other thing. So no pitcher can ever have any gamesmanship either anymore. You can't you can't fuck up a hitters rhythm and timing by taking longer or shorter is what guys used to do and fuck up Their timing which would cost you a few home runs a year

Sure sure and also throwing over to the bag and keeping you on the bag cost a lot of stolen bases a year So that 50-50 is the giant asterisk on it, and it's nothing to take away from Motani. It's just Yeah, I mean, let's be realistic if you gave Barry Bonds those fucking rules. What would he be doing? You know what I mean? priest of himself priest steroids though Prefuckin if you gave kengar V jr. Those rules off we gave Jose Kinseko those rules in 1988 You know might have might have rings in Seattle because of it. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm just saying, there's all these guys that, you know, if you told a pitcher, you got to pitch in 10 seconds or less to babe fucking Ruth, I think

he would have had more than 714 home runs. I'm just saying that. So I don't want to seem like I'm shitting on Otani because I'm not, because I think he's fucking incredible and just as good as anybody else has ever been. I really do. But I don't think to seem like I'm shitting on Otani because I'm not because I think he's fucking incredible and just as good as anybody Else has ever been I really do but I don't think he's any better than anybody else has ever been That's probably true. I think the game is made to make him look as good as possible. I watched him go over four Yeah, I mean it happens just like every other time they make it sound like he walks on water But look at all the stats now Yeah

And these guys still still nobody's stealing a hundred fucking twenty bases anymore Even though the game is made to have it. They made the bases bigger You're fucking closer to them for Christ's sake and somehow and somehow the Sox have figured out how to lose 120 You still need to have talent on your boy. No matter what? Stink my god. Yeah, they're the fucking worst. ever. I don't know how the hell we got off on that Now the whole point was it different Different doesn't mean better or worse. Yeah old old shit wasn't better because it was different new shit It's not better because it's different. It's just different. It's apples and oranges

I just like it better when we Pretended that nobody was gambling on this when it's wide open. it's wide open, I don't like that. I don't like that at all. Well, I just still don't understand how we're not bringing up that every time they mention Otani's name. Oh, by the way. Oh, by the way, he's a horrible gambler. Probably shouldn't even be in the league, also.

Oh, shouldn't even be allowed to do that. If we held him to standards that we held anybody else to ever, he'd be out of the fucking league right now. But hey, you know, it's cool. Let's all worship it. It's great, yay. He swings like a robot. That's fucking amazing, right?

Nobody fucking cares, man. So anyway, Jason Williams here. They're trying to, he gets some breaks here. A judge rules a few things in his favor. Number one is that a 911 call, part of the 911 call won't be allowed into the trial, which is kind of rough. Which part?

The entire trial was played in the, the entire tape was played in the 2004 trial, but statements heard during the course of Victor Williams call included someone saying, you could hear it on the tape. I don't know why this wouldn't be admissible wipe the gun off man wipe the gun Wipe the gun off man wipe the gun and you can hear that another you can hear this quote You have to tell her meaning the 911 dispatcher that Gus reached for the gun You have them Setting up a fucking Post-crime fucking cover up and you're like, we can't have that in there.

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on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge even the royals ad-free right now on Wondery Plus. That's fucking amazing, man. Wow. So the jurors at the retrial will also never hear Williams brother tell the dispatcher that Christophe shot himself because that's what they told him originally. He said he shot himself and in the background you hear wipe the gun you got to say he reached for the gun. Shot himself. That's all my whole fucking case would be. Play the whole 911 tape and sit there and go, would you do that? Would any of that sound reasonable to you?

They said he shot himself. Why would they be saying this on the tape? Oh man. So they said they can tell the jury though that he wiped down the gun, jumped in the swimming pool to conceal evidence. That's so kind of a split decision here. December 12th, 2007. Now there's a racial slur flying about here.

What? Yes. Lawyers defending him are seeking details made by an alleged fucking racial slur made by a prosecution investigator against Jason Williams. In the court filing, the Hunterton Prosecutor's Office in New Jersey only recently revealed the slur, I guess because it was during discovery, it was in one of the reports or something, and the lawyer could have used it to discredit the prosecution case during the first trial.

So this is fucking interesting. Was it the one? The one what? The one what? The one investigate? Oh, the one word? That we don't know. Don't know exactly what that was. Probably the worst one.

I would assume so. I don't know. You never, what's the, I guess if you're investigating somebody, you really shouldn't call them any, whether it's the worst one or the. Whatever it is, yeah. But he's a lot of different things too,

so I wonder which one they wonder what 20 picks Something Colonel Sanders would consider folksy. You know what I mean? We don't know Some Colonel Sanders and considered enduring Would say with a smile while he holds a chicken leg and tries to sell you mashed potatoes. Yeah Christ like corn on the cob with that? Oh Christ. So the prosecutor here who I guess former first assistant prosecutor Stephen C. Lember who helped Tri Williams in 2004 told the press that he knew of an internal affairs investigation regarding the investigator but was never given any details or a report.

They said that the prosecutor, another prosecutor had the information, not him. And this is prosecutor J. Patrick Barnes. He alerted the trial judge about the quote unspecified slur in a letter October 18th telling the judge that a superior officer was accused of using a racial epithet to describe Williams in a meeting some time before the 2004 trials. This was in a meeting of investigators. He said this which is a pretty fucking crazy time to be busting out racial slurs. Especially you're at it's literally a work meeting yeah and you're like throwing out racial slurs. There's a lot of people that are going to hear that. Especially you're at a, it's literally a work meeting. Yeah.

And you're like throwing out racial slurs. And in all of these investigators, nobody there is of any other persuasion either. Right. It's only, it's only white guys or whatever you're not talking about. In New Jersey? It just seems odd, right? Interesting. So they said that the officer's involvement in the investigation and trial can best be characterized as marginal and was largely confined to assisting the prosecutors transporting evidence to the courthouse.

So it wasn't like he was a guy who found anything. He was just a guy who whatever. So still going on though. December 14th, 2007. This is so long. Yeah. They said racial slur clouds revived case against him. So against Jason Williams. Wow. I'll read the article. Siding with the impassioned requests of attorneys defending former NBA star Jason Williams, a judge decided Thursday to review files related to a racial slur that the law enforcement officer used to describe Williams.

Wow. His lawyer, this is Jason Williams' lawyer, said, in my mind, there's no question there's been a showing that this would entitle the defense to an in-camera review in regard to the incident. So they're really trying to do that. They said that, oh wow, this is the prosecutor. Unfortunately, for the defense, this individual is not the Hunterton County equivalent of Mark Fuhrman, which it's not. Mark Fuhrman found the evidence, the evidence. He's the only one who found, we've gone over it,

he's the only one who found it. He walked away from everybody in the house, went all by himself and came out, I found all the evidence, guys. So that's suspicious. This is kind of like a leader of the KKK. He's kind of a really bad guy. He's a Nazi enthusiast, he's a bad guy,

he's had a lot of other incidents that went on, and he was the guy who found the fucking evidence. Whereas, this is a different story here. This is not the guy who found shit. This is a guy who came in later and was transporting evidence. So they're like, you know, don't try to conflate that. They said that this individual had no pertinent knowledge about the case. He was just, he was just some guy talking out his ass about, I don't like this fucking guy. So January 3rd, 2008, Jason Williams retrial now on hold

Because the state has to appeal a ruling about the racial slur. Okay, this is jury selection was Scheduled and they fucking wow they paused the whole thing when you have money man Well, like a normal person wouldn't want this much delay because this is all money. This is costing you money. Yeah, because every second is a paycheck. Every one of these, you have your lawyers on retainer, every time they file for continuances and file anything, that costs a shitload of money. Any phone call you have. Everything.

It's so expensive. Normal people don't want to drag out something for six years, but if you're rich, the longer you can drag it out, the better. People forget. to drag out something for six years but if you're rich the longer you can drag it out the better you know I mean forget fucking did he'll probably get tried in 2035 you know I'm saying like he'll be 92 years old before they get him on there because he's got a whole time he'll be there he'll be there so light risk he is a fucking flight risk. I don't even know.

I don't know if they're going to keep him forever. He's got so much. He's got so much money and so many lawyers that at some point they're going to, they're going to, they're going to appeal it to where somebody says, well, if you take his passport and he wears a fucking monitor, then there is no flight risk. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, even he should probably be in jail forever I'm not saying that I'm just saying yeah but ankle monitors legally it's yeah ankle monitors don't explode and take your foot off they just tell people that you're leaving you know yeah yeah well I mean that

that would I think that would imply that imply that somebody's gonna sit and watch his monitor that's the other thing is in cases like this when someone is that wealthy, they will say that they will pay for the detail to watch them basically. They'll pay the cost that it costs for Feds to sit outside his fucking house and make sure he doesn't leave. Because he just doesn't want to be in fucking jail. So when you have, I'm just saying when you have so much money, There's way more options that people like us would never even fucking think of but there's also Like isn't that aren't there like rules that you have to try somebody?

After isn't there a certain time period that you have to try somebody? Yes, if they want if they if they want you to that's the thing if you want you start file Once you start filing for continuances and all that, then you've waived your speedy trial at that point. So now it goes into that, yeah, absolutely. So they could just keep him in there forever if they want. If they want, but it's gonna be him that's the one, he can file shit to say you have to bring it to trial

or not at some point in a timely manner basically which with the evidence or whatever but he's the one who you're the one who wants to delay it usually so you usually don't do that. He should probably wait a while though. He should wait a long time. Yeah a thousand he's got so many things. But it's where I think that's just the tip of the iceberg with that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's just the first guy there's think that's just the tip of the iceberg with that fucking guy.

He's just the first guy. There's going to be a lot of shit coming out now. Shit's going to fall. Shit's going to fall. It's not just going to be... It won't just be famous celebrity people. It's going to be business people that you don't even fucking never heard of. You've never heard of them. Yeah.

But they're very, very wealthy and this is the type of shit that they don't get to do very often. It's the people that invented a function on your phone. Yes, people like I'm thinking more corporate people not people Fuck yeah, but I mean corporate in that world though like very wealthy guy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah Those people don't invent anything though. They just okay. Yeah, yeah fucking Yeah, when the hell last time you think Steve Jobs invented a thing before he like in 1975 like But the guy that did invent it is the guy that Steve Jobs pays every month You know I mean pays a lot and that's the guy with the real money. That guy's a nerd though

He's he doesn't get invited to diddy fuck parties the nerd. He doesn't matter how much I did but somebody brings him He's not there. No, no, no, he's a nerd. He's a hideous nerd that sits in the corner the guy with the suit on at the board meetings He's the guy covered in baby oil on diddy's head It's the ugly guy that is upstairs with somebody like fucking Trey songs So somebody nobody hears about it because nobody knows that guy Well, I mean that's not who did he wants to hang out with because he's not on television He wants to hang out with the famous CEO guy That's it

I want to hang out with cuz that's not on television. He wants to hang out with the famous CEO guy. That's what he wants to hang out with because that's what this is all about. But that famous CEO guy is the guy that everybody knows. I'm talking about the fucking incredibly wealthy that nobody knows is the guy that invented some function on your phone, has shit piles of money, and is in a room somewhere with three male models. Yeah, he's not doing that at Diddy's house

because he's not out for attention. That's why he's the inventor guy. He's doing that at the Drury Inn somewhere. Exactly. He's doing that on his own. All these CEO guys, those are the ones who like want to be seen with fucking puffed-eye. But those are the people that we know who they are. So that's going to be crazy.

I don't know who the fuck they are. I don't know who the fuck runs the business. You don't know who Michael Eisner is? I Eisner, I think that's an extreme example. That's like saying Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. But if I pick a random company out, you know fucking, you know who the CEO of Yum Foods is? I bet I could Google that shit and find out. But you wouldn't know off the top of your head,

you know, that's the guy though. But that's not the wealthy guy, right? Yum Foods, how much money do they have? Billions, that's not the wealthy guy that owns foods. How much money do they have? Billions that's Pepsi owns them. They own Kentucky Fried Chicken Pizza Hut Taco Bell Taco Bell 100 other chain restaurants. That's Yum Foods. Yeah an ironic name. Yeah See what I mean though like that's yeah, we don't know the fuck that guy is but did he knows who that is and I want to hang out with did he Because that guy has a mansion in the Hamptons where did he loves Johnson and Johnson baby?

Oh, and he loves it big fan every time he smells that he comes Fucked so yeah, it's gonna be gross. That's gonna be oh, man. It's gonna get the details are gonna be incredible I guess yeah, I can't wait pretty gross pretty fucking gross I wonder how much of it'll come out that'll be fun. I mean if it goes on trial, it's everything right? Everything that's led into the trial. Otherwise, I mean, yeah, which will be a very minimal amount of what's actually They won't even let in that they said wipe the fucking prints off the gun which is extremely relevant to this and they won't even Let that in so anything that's considered inflammatory is not gonna be any like telephone Voicemail of Diddy saying come makes me burp. No, cuz that's irrelevant

You could have a juror who cum makes them fucking gargle in their stomachs. It doesn't matter. Cum makes me fart. Yeah. Never know. I get gassy. It's a little gassy from the jizz.

Baby oil and jizz makes me gassy. Ha, that's funny. So the prosecutor is replaced on the trial in 2008. Now we're getting a new prosecutor. This was Katherine. Katherine Erickson, who was the assistant prosecutor, who was the one that was supposed to lead the prosecution here, is no longer with the office here, apparently. Oh, she's fired.

We don't know. I don't know if she's fired, she quit. Relieved of duty, retired, whatever. Who the fuck knows here. So later on that month, there's an appeal date set over the slur allegation. He is so dragged out, man. This is fucking ridiculous. Like, like these episodes on him. He's making this drag out. We wanted this to be three parts and Jason Williams wouldn't fucking allow it. He used, he used his fucking money to make us do an extra episode.

Talk about ripples in a pond. He shoots a guy in 2002, 22 years later, we're stuck for an extra week with this asshole because of his fucking money. And another one. And another one. So February 14th, Valentine's Day 2008,, Jason Williams. This is a great headline. Jason Williams case still ongoing. No shit. And I don't even know why there is an article here because there hasn't nothing has changed here. The even says in this article in the six years

since the shotgun killing of a hired driver by former NBA star Jason Williams There has been both the dramatic change and the sense that nothing has really changed at all Yeah, that's that's about fucking right here. I mean his relatives are gonna start dropping off pretty soon Anybody who cared about this? The sister this is Christophe sister said it hasn't gotten. In two days, it'll be the anniversary of his death and there's no closure yet and we still have no clue what's going to happen. No shit.

So May 15th, 2008, here comes the racial slur thing here. The prosecutors do not dispute that the slur was uttered in 2002 by a senior officer connected to the Hunterton County Prosecutor's Office. However, the prosecutor argued that the unidentified officer, who has since retired, probably not of his own volition. Yeah, yeah. He went home and said, I'll take my vengeance.

You're like, you got your 20 years, don't you? I mean, you can put your papers in tomorrow and probably save yourself a lot of trouble here. Use PTO for the rest of your time. Let's do that. So they called the comment, this is the prosecutor called the comment a grotesque but isolated incident

that was not relevant as evidence could only be prejudicial at trial. So that wasn't relevant to anything, because no one's going to hear about that this guy thinks Jason Williams is whatever the fuck at trial. So they say, you know, that's silly anyway. October 1st, 2008, Jason Williams' lawyers

can use the racial slur evidence in the manslaughter case. OK. So they are allowed to use it. They can say that this guy said that's a good defense man. It's a good defense. Yeah, though you can say that especially with OJ and all that you can say the prosecution was biased and it's completely compromised. If so the second somebody says that word, everything's over. It's it's hard except that when you just when you hear how irrelevant this guy was he didn't come he wasn't an investigator

He was never at a crime scene. He didn't talk to any witnesses He worked for the prosecutor's office Because the prosecutor's office has cops that work there basically They're assigned to the prosecutor's office to carry out duties of carrying evidence back and forth and shit. That's what he was Yeah, he had no part in this whatsoever. You got that gun from that guy's case. If he was a homicide investigator, that would be a different story because then evidence

could have been fabricated. But this is all the evidence that was already existed before this guy even was anywhere near this case. So that's the thing that they're trying to say here. So the Supreme Court will now hear an appeal to determine what role a racial slur uttered by an investigator will play in the court. A whole year has been spent just on this. And Jason Williams, this probably cost him a million and a half dollars to figure out this racial slur thing. Now it's fun. February 13 2009 this is fucking great. His wife Tanya Young Williams has filed for divorce. Oh yeah and she is fucking laying it out too. Now she's mad. She went from we're gonna help the community and Jason's a wonderful man to fuck this guy. I'm accusing him of physical and emotional abuse,

family abandonment, adultery and substance abuse. Cause since the shooting he's had nothing but positive fluff piece publicity and his wife has been a big part of that and now she is saying no In this divorce include allegations that Williams threatened to kill her Faked committing suicide Falsely told her that he had stomach cancer when she wanted to leave him at one point. Why do you do that? So she wouldn't leave him. Yeah. I mean, but that's very easily provable.

And then my favorite thing of all, because my drunk grandfather used to do this in the basement sink all the time. He pissed in the kitchen sink. He would just stop off and piss in the kitchen sink. That's hilarious. Your family did that. My grandfather did that in the basement sink. That's hilarious. Yeah. Your family did that? My grandfather did that in the basement sink for some reason. I don't know.

That sits in the trap, man. I don't know. You gotta rinse that out. He only went to school until he was 13, so I have no idea. I think he went to like the seventh grade tops after that. Just because it goes down the drain doesn't mean it's gone, is my point. He was also, in his defense, shithammered most of the time. Like real drunk, especially by the time he was home and in the basement.

Oh, it was over by then. He'd been drinking all day. Yeah, drink certainly trumps lazy. That's not just a lazy man's thing. But the bathroom was maybe 17 feet away from the sink. That was the thing, though. It wasn't like it was on the other side of the house. It was a basement.

Maybe you can't make it. He stopped off. I think it's because there was a nice window over the sink that like was level with the ground because it was basement and there was a nice tree out there. I think he just liked to gaze out at the trees when he peed. Unbelievable. I think that's what he was doing.

So this is his wife also allegedly found cocaine and condoms in his drawer. I think the condoms are really the thing that probably did this. She also, Tanya Williams, claims in court papers that he cruelly bragged to her that he only performed oral sex on white girls. If you use a condom, did you, did you really fuck? I'm not licking you. I only do that shit to white girls. Huh? What are you talking about? What does that mean? Why'd he do that?

Oh my God. That's supposed to make it okay. I guess so. And the fucked up part is, oh, he's telling her like, I'm not going down on you. That's what he's telling. That's supposed to make it okay. I guess so. And the fucked up part is, oh he's telling her like I'm not going down on you. That's what he would say. So the fuck, Jesus Christ, this is fucked up. The fucked up part too for her, she's trying to say that to go, don't let him act like he's Mr. Fucking, like he's Martin Luther King or something. This motherfucker licks white pussy and that's it. So I want to hear about that shit.

A lawyer for her, for Tanya said, here is a guy who has spent wildly and dissipated marital assets and has, of course, acted recklessly and has just been absent, violent, and not a father and not a husband. Wow. Very different picture from the picture that was painted of him a few years ago of this model. What a husband. Wow, very different picture from the picture that was painted of him a few years ago of this model. What a guy. Yeah. You know, for every child to look up to and you know, greatest father and just loves the kids. Activist father. Great guy. Activist. Oh man, just big. And also for the black community, he's going to help

the neighborhoods. As long as he can draw a couple of white girls to go down on. Other than that, it's fine. So the Manhattan Supreme Court filing came down hours before the seventh anniversary of the day of the shooting. That's nice. She wanted to time it with that perfectly. Oh, that's fucking great. Her lawyer says, we're alleging cruel and inhuman treatment and adding also that Williams and his lawyers have ignored Tanya's efforts to quietly end the marriage

So she said I'll be cool about this I'm sure if we have a nice equitable split of assets and shit like that. They ignored her You go your way. I go my way. She said he likes to eat white girl pussy only Cocaine, condoms, motherfuckers never around, doesn't play with his kids. Enjoy taking all that money from me. What you think of that Jason? Yeah. Wow. A lawyer for Williams blasted his wife's claims as a work of fiction. Said that Jason is saddened by the fact that Mrs. Williams would make such false claims in an attempt to revive her failed media career. Shots fired.

Well, not really. When Jason Williams says shots fired, he means it. That's a different, that's a different shots fired. But yeah, that is, wow. It's just an attempt to revive her failed media career He goes on to say this is a manipulative event Time to create a media circus on the anniversary of a tragedy and it's utterly shameful They're shameful of a tragedy, you know, I Think her lack of credibility is obvious when Jason first

learns of her work of fiction from the press, but her lawyer said that Jason has caused violent situations in the marriage including shattering car windows, ranting, and instances of physical violence. They also alleged alcohol abuse. They said that the couple is living apart in Manhattan and South Carolina. Two children, Triumph and Wisdom. Wisdom, I'll give you a guess how that's spelled. W-I-Z? W-H-I-Z.

Really? D-U-M-B? Didn't expect that, did you? Wiz. Wiz. Dumb. D-O-M and Triumph with a Y. So those are their kids. Didn't expect that did you? whiz whiz dumb Dom and triumph with a y So those are their kids April 27th 2009. Yes, okay

Jason Williams is having some problems here he's in a Hotel in battery City Park in Manhattan in that neighborhood, so way down in the bottom of Manhattan. It's around 4 a.m. when a female friend reported that he is acting suicidal. Okay, so when they arrived, officers, at this point he's 6'10", 325 pounds, and shit-faced and agitated.

Hell yeah. So to be in a hotel room with a man of that size and that anger and drunk, and you know he shot a guy, you're gonna be a little fucking skittish of this man, I would assume. Apparently there were empty bottles of prescription drugs strewn around as well, and it was just a disheveled hotel suite and there were several

suicide notes around that Jason apparently wrote. Several. I had one more and I have an addendum to that. You're writing amendments to your fucking suicide note. You got a lot of time. You got a lot of time. You're like, hold on, I'm not ready to go yet. So officers with the Emergency Services Unit, they didn't send the regular cops to go, you on, I'm not ready to go yet. So officers with the emergency services unit, they didn't send the regular cops to go, deal with this guy, it wasn't a criminal situation. They said it's a suicidal man, so they send this team. It's an elite special team trained to deal

with emotionally disturbed people. Well, they responded and said, listen, you've taken a bunch of pills You've been drinking you're threatening suicide. You've written several notes. You're scaring the hell out of your friend We have we have to take you to the hospital because yeah check him out You have to because if you don't then you're gonna get sued if he kills himself So we have to he said I ain't going nowhere motherfuckers. Oh So they tased him He said, I ain't going nowhere motherfuckers. So they tased him.

They had to tase him when he physically resisted going to the hospital. When the team who's there to handle you with kid gloves has to tase you, you've become a problem. When they've recklessly fired flying fish hooks into you. It's not great. Yeah, no shit. So his spokeswoman, a woman, Judy Smith, remember her? Yeah. Hair, silver, not only from trying to cover for him, but just from

stress of this bullshit for the last seven years. Jesus Christ, this fucking guy. It's not even how much she loves him. No. How much she hates him too. She said, no immediate comment. And all of his lawyers went, you couldn't have waited until after this trial. Jesus Christ, we tried to get you all positive publicity for five fucking years and now your wife's saying you beat her up and they have to tase you in a hotel room. This is not cool. One of his people, I guess, his friend and manager, whatever the fuck that means, told the New York Daily News here

that Jason is doing fine, he said he was fine, all of us here are here to be by his side as friends. Okay. May 13th, 2009, still going. There's a Herald News newspaper article that reads, once a star, now a man in limbo. X Net Center has a host of troubles, I would say. They said that his celebrity and sense of humor once earned him regular appearances with David Letterman and a post-NBA career job as an analyst with NBC Sports, but the

former NBA audience and Net Center's audiences in recent years have far lower profiles. What a friend calls, quote, a mix of high school gyms, boys and girls clubs and armories. That's where he hangs out, apparently. He's not playing the wrestler character though, meaning this down on his luck trailer park guy. I wouldn't go that far, the friend added. But otherwise he's just hanging out and showing off that he could ball in high school gyms and fucking ymca's and shit yeah instead here uh williams has found some success in building expensive homes in hilton head south carolina and we had a construction

company down there here um he also they talk about he his star has wane considerably since the shooting shit has happened Most recently a ransacked motel room our hotel room at 4 a.m. On April 2nd possibly after Digesting or ingesting antidepressant and manic depressant depression drugs according to the daily news Had to be subdued by a taser and taken to the hospital for psychiatric evaluation Now there's a custody battle over his two daughters as well. Not cool here. I guess both of his parents are going through a lot of health issues right now as well. He failed in several efforts to land a consulting job for a variety of sports

related television shows. No shit, I would say Armin Gilliam, the cheapest motherfucker in the world apparently, said that Williams who built much of his estate himself is a high end contractor who does amazing work. I won't pay him for it but god damn it is it good. He builds real close, It's real. I love it. I love it. It's a really good strong Circuit system so he does everything in 440. It's fucking awesome So it's like a grocery store wire and gold connections the whole neighborhood could feed off of it. He won't blow a circuit. It's great gold connections. The whole neighborhood could feed off of it. He won't blow a circuit. It's great. So another guy said Jason has a magnificent home and that that is a tribute to his craftsmanship.

He built this is the guy who runs positive impact sports consulting firm with Jason. He built the fireplace stone by stone and he did the flooring. He has a great talent in that area, like physically laying down bricks he's good at, which he was good at laying down bricks on the court too to be cheesy. But for a guy who couldn't shoot for shit, I got a six foot range of shooting. I have to say that. Gilliam Armand said that he thought South Carolina, where Williams was born, might be a better fit for him than New York City He said Jason has a really nice place by the ocean down there

I've hoped that that would be a good place for him to relax you get southern hospitality where no one's gonna get in your face Okay, but in the yeah, right is this motherfucker ever been to the south but in New York, man But in New York man, people will walk up to you and say anything. Well, there's one thing they will say less of to you than down there. Imagine you're walking through the park one day and you see a suspicious backpack sitting underneath a bench. You report it to the police and upon investigating, they discover two live pipe bombs inside. You rush to clear the area before they explode, saving countless lives and preventing injury. Everyone declares you a hero for a fleeting moment until everything

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Yes, yes. Especially if you're not identifiable to them as one of the two things you should be down there. If it's frustrating for them to pinpoint you, it may get worse. Believe me, they look at me like I'm a fucking, what are you? That they do that. Some kind of, some kind of Italian, Jew, one of them Spanish, what are you? Which ocean's closest to your home?

I've literally had people go, you're something. Okay. Something. Something. All right, sure, thanks. Yeah, that's true. Thanks for reminding me. I'm kidding.

So they said he's been splitting his time between South Carolina and New York metro area, the home of his ailing mother, Barbara, and his two daughters. His reluctance to fly during his playing days was well known, so he often makes the trek by car. 800 miles from New York to South Carolina now. He's also a prolific text message sender, but the number of people receiving on the receiving end of his communications isn't nearly what it was when he was playing, is what the supporters say.

Yeah, you shoot a guy, your circle of friends will shrink. Ah. It happens. Jason is very selective who he allows into his tent, said a former Nets head coach, a favorite of Williams during their time together. Once you're in there, you're really in there. Although even then, he can always

close the flap at any time. I'm not sure that he felt as if he had anybody to talk to that night of the hotel incident and that's what I worried about. Jason prides himself on his manhood, big old cock on him huh? Pride myself on my hammer here and that's right. He's got a big LBJ hand on him there and handling and managing things but he's got to listen to people that are trying to help him.

He's been saying everything since he's been released from the hospital, that's the right thing. His friends are optimistic that he's not gonna try to kill himself or anything, but who knows? Armand Gilliam said, "'Jason was always cracking jokes

"'and being the life of the party when we played.' "'He said, but the last number of years, "''s had a lot to deal with, some things that the public knows about and some that they don't. The average guy would have cracked a long time ago. At some point, he is human after all. True, yeah. Gilliam says, most athletes, football players, basketball players, are somewhat arrogant, frankly.

A lot of them treat friends with disrespect, even but Jason he talked to anybody most of that goodwill disappeared after the death though yeah that'll happen you tend to yeah I'm not gonna involve myself with anybody if I'm no got a fucking lawsuit to fight one of us just busy too he's got constantly meeting with lawyers. What time do you have for friends? One of his friends said it's like he's in a state of suspended animation. Whether it's a big charity fundraiser or a TV network, Jason is still a bit toxic.

Still people worry, will he be seen as bad publicly? Or will he be seen as bad publicity? Sorry, it's hard to read. He said he backed me up for a couple years in Philadelphia I think this is Benjamin. Oh, no, this is Gilliam again He backed me up for a couple years in Philadelphia Then did the same thing for a while in New Jersey Then when he finally got a chance to shine just like that it was snatched away from him

Meaning his injury which I mean come on Armin then goes on to say later on about the the kill the shooting he has to pay for his mistake I know but I'd never say Jason is a bad person I just think all the work he's done for so many young people for so many communities and all of it overshadowed by one Terrible event we get you killed a guy that'll do it And you've got phone calls and tapes of you saying shit that you shouldn't be saying after that person is shot in your house. You know how much charity shit OJ did?

My God. He did constant OJ. He was constantly playing those golf court tournaments and all that shit. Then we didn't give a fuck about that after he almost cut his wife's head off. So he went on to say that Jay was a great rebounder as a player and hopefully he can find a way to rebound from all this and somehow find a way to enjoy life. Okay, May 24th, 2009. If you were him and you're facing retrial and your wife is giving you all this bad publicity

and you just had to go to the hospital and get tased by people, I would keep my nose as clean as fucking the driven snow. Not a word will be written about my misbehavior. I would not leave my fucking house. I really wouldn't at this point. Well here he is. Judge Judy.

Fuck yeah. I'm going to study the legal system here. So it says already facing a retrial for a shooting death here and being tasered by police a month ago Our last month Williams is arrested late Sunday for allegedly punching a man in the face at a North Carolina bar Drilled the man. Yep, and that's the other thing. You're a famous guy who's got all this shit hanging over your head Do you think no one's gonna fucking heckle you for that? Forget it in 2008 in 2008. Yeah. Yeah, you're not 510 Do you think no one's gonna fucking heckle you for that? Oh boy. Do you? Ah, forget it. In 2000, what, eight?

In 2008, yeah. Yeah. You're not 5'10", you can't blend in. You walk into the place, everyone goes, who's that giant motherfucker? Oh, that's that basketball player who shot a guy and his wife's saying he beat her up. And Twitter exists, where there's Twitter comedians,

so there's like news headlines being written. Not yet, not yet. And people are writing, not yet? 2008? I think 2009 is when Twitter came out, but there's like news headlines being written and people are writing. Not yet, not yet, no Twitter yet. 2008? I think 2009 is when Twitter came out, but nobody had it till like 2011. 2008 Twitter was out, but I think they were tweeting like, it was just underground shit. That was when Facebook was just becoming bubbling.

That was when regular people got on Facebook was to put on college students. There was a lot of Twitter shit in 2008, or it was politician shit in 2008. Yeah. It was mostly political. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess, but still people had balls to like, because Twitter is like, all that

is is really a streamlined way for celebrities to get hate mail and fan mail. It makes it, well it's nice, it keeps it all in one place. Yeah, and you can tell them, you can tell somebody when their movie sucks right to their face. Yeah. Which is nice. So, so people are- Imagine, imagine telling fucking Gary Cooper his movie sucked in 1947. This is amazing, you can-

Immediately after seeing it. You can say something really crass to a senator, man. You know? That's unbelievable. You can tell a senator you've seen their wife's pussy or whatever. Tell the ex-president that. Many people have. You can tell it right to their face.

It's amazing. You can fucking do whatever you want. Imagine how many people Frank Sinatra would have beaten the shit out of on a daily basis now. He'd never get out of jail. It's unbelievable. But then, that's what people- That's what if someone wrote a bad article about him, he'd go to them and punch them

in the face. Fuck you. But that's basically what people want to say to your face. They just don't have the ability. Yeah. But when you walk into a restaurant in a place where people have heard what you've done and they have some bad opinions of you- And they have four drinks in them?

Now they just get to say it. Yeah. And there's booze. And you're gonna walk in there? The balls. Even pre-Twitter, pre-Soviet, because Facebook was just coming up. This is really pre-social media, honestly, here. I mean, MySpace doesn't fucking count.

Because that was just you and your friends' bullshit and that wasn't things getting spread. It wasn't open. It wasn't viral things. It was open to everybody, but nobody was on it except for normal people that celebrities got involved in the other shit because they were paid to and YouTube was still Cats at this right? Yeah cats and like, you know somebody's videos down some guy falling over Yeah, it's what it was and look at this shit from India where there's a flood and like a cow gets swept away Like that was what it fucking was back then. So this is

But still at any time at any time this guy would have got heckled for this Oh for sure, especially there in the fucking in the East on the East Coast. Forget it. It's in North Carolina That's close to Philly. Okay. Yeah, North Carolina It's North Carolina. The it's in Raleigh actually the Raleigh police captain said we chose to arrest Mr. Williams after interviewing the victim and other uninvolved witnesses at the bar. They said people were bumping into people at the bar and there was apparently a verbal confrontation

between Mr. Williams and the victim. Mr. Williams then chose to become physical. Yeah. So this isn't even, hey, you fucking limo driving, killing, fucking life-beaten asshole. This is, you're in my space. Yeah, a 6'10 drunk guy wandering around bumping into people. And if you can't, if you're Jason Williams and you can't control yourself to this level

and you know you might punch a guy in the face at the bar, you can't be going out. You can't leave the house. Fuck no. Especially when they're saying you got drunk and shot a limo driver and you're not good when you're drunk and that's what your wife's saying too. The manager here, Williams manager, sorry, emphasized that violence is totally out of character for his client. Is that right? Really hard to keep saying that I feel like. The more these things add up I go I think violence is exactly what he

does. How many people did he punch in the face while he was playing at bars? It happened constantly. Seems to be what he does. Seems to be what he does. Off duty police officers, a limo driver, his wife. It seems a pattern is forming here. So he said that that's out of character and he noted that a friend who was with Williams that night told him several male customers confronted Williams after taunting him. Apparently they didn't tell the cops about it. They only told Williams manager about it conveniently right the manager said this is according to the star ledger when they got close to Williams they became more aggressive and the ex-nets player simply defended himself the friend told the manager simply defended himself Williams had been in a restaurant where he treated this This is fucking amazing. Okay, this is his publicist basically saying this.

Before going to the bar to shoot pool, Williams had been at a restaurant where he treated several military veterans to dinner. He's a good guy. Oh my God, where he was signing autograph for underprivileged orphans. What the fuck are you talking about? He's a great guy. That's what they said. They said noting that his client had not been drinking.

Okay. Jason Williams is at a bar, but he's not drinking. No booze? I'll believe that. Oh, never. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And they said the manager said, we have a witness to corroborate these events.

All the other witnesses said something else though. That's funny. A rally man, a Raleigh man, told the star ledger that Williams was surrounded by several men who accused him of bumping one member of the group and causing him to spill a drink. The witness said that Williams apologized, but the men persisted, cursing him and trying to start a fight with him. Because six foot 10, 325 pound guys are who everybody wants to fight with too.

That's the other thing. I don't know, the prison rule James is find the biggest motherfucker in here. Yeah, if you have a shank. And if you have to be there forever. Yes. In a bar. You get to leave here tonight.

Matter of fact, they'll make you leave at 2 a.m. Yeah, well I was a fucking bouncer at a bar right by get to leave here tonight. As a matter of fact, they'll make you leave at 2 a.m. Yeah. Well, I was a fucking bouncer at a bar right by two major fucking arenas, so I've had a ton of athletes in there, people. Nobody fucks with guys who are 6'10", fucking 325 pounds. They don't. When NFL players were in there, zero people fucked with them.

Zero. You know, they fucked with Craig Bishio because he's 5'10". That's who they messed with. Literally, you know, they fucked with Craig Biggio because he's five foot ten. That's who they messed with Literally, that's who they fucked with they fucked with Tony Womack. They fuck with guys like that Not nobody even fucked with Andy Bennis when he was in there No, cuz he's six foot fucking five to thirty and he looked like he was your fucking ass. Who's the other Craig that little? Council. Yeah. Yeah People would fuck with him yeah you could fuck with the Craig council nobody was notice no I mean but fucking

normally that's not you're not fucking with the guy that played anything higher than small forward I'm not fuck those guys and I've been around those guys they're they're like Cedric Sabalas even, who's like six foot eight. That motherfucker's huge. He's humongous. He doesn't look it on the court because he's tall, so he looks thin. And he's standing next to Hakeem Olajwan. He's gonna look little. If he reared back and punched you in the face, you would be fucked up.

He's a big guy. Like people don't realize that the torque is different from a giant person. It's just different. No way. Well now he's, yeah, what is he, fucking 58 years old or something now? He shouldn't. He might be dead. Did Sed die, oh no, did he die?

That would be really bad. He had a fucking, he had heart problems. He was a fun guy. No, thank God he's still alive, okay. Okay, that's good. He's only 55, he had like a, he was in the hospital, James, with something real. It was close, man. He almost died.

Oh, it was the old COVID thing. All right. Oh, okay, yeah. Well, he was sick to begin with, so that's not good. He had a bad heart, yeah. A series of heart attacks, James. Jesus, a series of them, man. May 28th, 2009, prosecutors are saying,

sentence Jason Williams. Okay, this is from the Baraboo News Republic. Baraboo, Wisconsin, where the leg breaking took place. And that's where the article's from, anyway. Prosecutors on Wednesday asked a judge to sentence Jason Williams for covering up a fatal shooting at his mansion and cited his recent erratic behavior, including an arrest in North Carolina for assault.

So they're trying to do that. They're saying that he was convicted on four counts in 2004 of trying to cover up the shooting and the jury couldn't reach a verdict. So the sentencing for that has been delayed since it happened. No kidding. He still hasn't been sentenced for that. So they're like sentence him for that at least he's a fucking him He's running a monster They said the four cover-up counts which include witness and evidence tampering carried a combined maximum sentence of 13 years in prison

But they said he's not expected to receive a term longer than five years Which is the maximum sentence for the most serious charge? So they they're not gonna run them consecutively is what they're saying. They're going to run them concurrently. Whenever they say a possibility of 300 years in prison, that's all the charges maxed out consecutive. If they're a habitual offender, this judge has seen them a million times and he's tired of his shit.

He's tired of seeing this motherfucker here. So judges has said he will consider sentencing Williams they're talking about now. Prosecutors are urging the judge. They say the defendant's escalating acts of unlawful and aberrant behavior must incur consequences that he has thus far evaded as the clear result of never having been sentenced on his convictions. They said, I thought he should have been sentenced from the day we got the verdict from the jury.

That is what the sister of Christophe said. They said, if it were anyone else, he would have already been sentenced. I guess when you have money, that happens. And it is, because you can pay for continuances. So that's how it goes. You can buy yourself a lot of time. June 23rd, 2009, Jason Williams to remain out of jail after the fight. So a judge

will let him remain free on bail even though the prosecutor requested they revoke bail and send him to prison on his other shit. So they said no we're going to let him out instead. August 31st 2009 dragging on Williams attorneys now allege misconduct. 2009, dragging on, Williams' attorneys now allege misconduct. Yeah. Yeah. They say that the prosecutorial misconduct, they're saying that the, yeah, all this shit, they're saying that they tried to cover up the racial slur and all that kind of thing here.

The slur by the investigator identified by his attorney as Captain, former Captain William Hunt, Billy Hunt said a subsequent investigation weren't disclosed to the defense until the fall of 2007, more than three years after the trial. Okay, wow. But the state Supreme Court in February ordered prosecutors to turn over all the information regarding the slur and they did. So they said on Monday defense attorney told the Superior Court Judge Edward Coleman that defense had its hands tied behind its back because it did not know about the slur. So they said that Williams team was entitled to the

information it should have been handed over but the prosecutor argued that it played no role in the jury's findings. It had nothing to do with the case is what they're saying They said they termed the error unintentional But negligent and took the unusual step of allowing the defense to reopen its case to re question the experts So the prosecutors said are fucking bad Yeah, you know, let's totally look into it and but they're saying that that should that should just cloud everything You shouldn't even it should be go past an investigation're saying that that should just cloud everything. It should be go past an investigation and everything like that.

Supercedes everything. Supercedes all that shit. So they said that that's what they're looking at here. So November 12, 2009, his dad dies. 76 years old, Jason's dad dies here. So he dies in South Carolina here I believe it died in Bluffton, South Carolina at Jason's home November 20th 2009 they're talking about a plea deal now Yeah, now we might get a plea deal This is two months before the retrial for the manslaughter is expected if he enters a plea it will bring an end to all this shit finally and

If he enters a plea, it will bring an end to all this shit finally and the defense and prosecution agree that Williams was holding the gun when it fired. So I don't know, maybe we can figure something out here is what they're saying. Who the fuck knows? We'll find out. If I mean, if you're him even, I think you want to plea at this point if you can. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a reckless manslaughter. I don't know.

So the plea hearing is delayed. They said a hearing in which Jason Williams was expected to accept an 18-month prison sentence in the shooting death is delayed. His manager here said that the hearing was scheduled for Friday and that the Superior Court postponed it because not all the details of the plea have been quite worked out yet. This person said Jason didn't get any sleep last night. He's still grieving over the loss of his father. It's terrible.

Oh man, he said he's taking this issue very seriously and needs to be able to focus on it 100%. I mean, yeah, he said he's just been, you know, he's got so he's so busy and divorce proceedings and December 10th, 2008 or 2009 Williams lawyers asked to withdraw from the case now. Let's delay it another fucking five years. Jason. God damn it.

Holy shit. You're frustrating, bro. You are the most frustrating person we've ever dealt with. I swear to God. How does he get it done? It's fucking wild. So the defense team of Billy Martin Joseph Hayden and Christopher Adams Said that they wanted to be allowed to withdraw because of difficulties in communicating with Williams

He's a painter ass to Right here. William said that Coleman Williams told Coleman that he has been deeply affected by the recent death of his father and wants his attorneys to remain. They're like, you got a court case coming up. I don't care if you're at the funeral. We got to talk about shit basically. Like, this is, this is our, your dad dying sucks, but you're still going to a manslaughter trial.

Would you like to talk about it possibly? And they're being an ass about it. Yeah. January 6th, 2010. It doesn't get any better for Jason here. No. Nope. He is not doing well.

Apparently, he suffers a minor fracture in his neck and cuts to his face in a car accident. No. Well, his SUV veered off an exit ramp and struck a tree in Manhattan. That's not wonderful. When the officers got there, he was sitting in the passenger seat. Nobody driving. And told them someone else had been driving. They said, who?

And he said, someone else. Not only that, they said witnesses who, a bunch of witnesses saw this shit happen, they all said that not only was he in the driver's seat when it happened, there's never been anyone else in the fucking car. He's the only one that's been in the car. He sat in the passenger seat and said, I wasn't driving. He just climbed over there and waited for the cops to show up. Dude, someone else, I don't know, they must have ran away.

They looked at the seat all the way back. He's like, yeah, it was a 610, the guy, I don't know, they must have ran away. They looked at the seat all the way back. He's like, yeah, it was a 610, the guy, huge guy, who was driving, big motherfucker driving. Police said it appeared he was drinking before the 315 AM crash, I would say. Golly, yeah. He's out at 315, he was drinking.

He's drunk, yeah. He was taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he refused a breath test, which is an automatic suspension of all your shit. New Jersey Attorney General's office would not comment on whether it would have, try to have his bail revoked on his other things. He's still out on bail there. Finally, January 12, 2010, we watched this wave like come and break and ebb.

Like three years before this, if it went forward, he would have probably got off. Like all the momentum was going his way. And then ever since then, he's been a self destructive fucking whirlpool of shit going down a drain between his wife and his punching people and DUIs and all that shit. You can't be doing this shit and expect people to take you serious. So January 12th, 2010, it goes all the way down to where Jason here is going to plead guilty to the shooting. He's going to plead guilty, basically. The prosecutor here, he's going to plead guilty to assault and agree to serve at least 18

months in prison. Really? Yup, this is a lesser charge of aggravated assault, which is a real understatement for shooting a guy with a shotgun from four feet away. So Williams remained poised during the hearing and mostly answered yes and no to questions, though he did tell the judge that he had not fully checked the shotgun that he was showing off to friends

before snapping it closed. He said, quote, I didn't look in the direction of the muzzle before the gun was pointed. And he said that before admitting that the handling of the gun was reckless and that the gunshot caused Christophe's death. So he said today is the first step, this is his attorney, today is the first step in moving toward closure. Yes, moving, by the way, you can still see like he's got a big stitches above his right eye while he's in court, run into a fucking

tree. Under the plea agreement, he will serve at least 18 months in state prison for the aggravated assault charge and up to five years for a prior conviction of trying to cover up the crime. The sentences will be concurrent and he'll be eligible for parole after 18 months. Williams friend and manager said Jason is relieved that closure has come to this matter. He remains frustrated that he can't speak about it. He would have agreed to the aggravated assault charges years ago, but it was never an option. Man, so the prosecution asked his bail be revoked and that's how this all happened. They said the public has a right to be protected from Jason Williams.

I think I agree with that at this point. Jesus fucking Christ, man. He's down here hurting people every time he makes. This is wild stuff. So there he is, February 24th, 2010. Here we go. It is sentencing time for him. And he says, this is Jason, quote, oh, you know what?

Let's, no, it's too short for it. Too short. Damn it. He said, there's not a day that I wake up that I do not feel sorry. I sincerely apologize. I wish I could bring back Mr. Christoffy. I bet you do. It really fucked your life up, hasn't it?

Really probably cost you $20 million. So I bet you really do. Yeah, for nothing, no other fucking reason. Christoffy's sister though, said in a letter read by the judge here that the five year sentence doesn't fit the crime. She called Jason Williams a danger to the community and stated she has had eight years of agony watching Jason Williams prancing around and living his life and acting like nothing happened.

Prancing around. Prancing around like a fucking... Just prances this guy. I don't know the word prance really, but put a fancy outfit on him and everything. He's dressed like a 17th century bugler, you know what I mean? Just prancing. He said, Jason Williams has not shown any sign of remorse. He never apologized to my family. She recalled that after the jury could not agree on a manslaughter charge, she saw Williams and his friends immediately after the verdict laughing and high-fiving.

So that pissed her off she said here Williams must serve at least 18 months of the sentence before becoming available eligible for parole and he said Williams also said to his family you deserve a better father son and brother than I have been. He didn't say husband I noticed because that would not that could hurt his divorce proceedings. Williams who is now on the verge of bankruptcy. Oh Jesus Christ. Wow. You got to be kidding me. Said that he has visited the grave of Christophe more times than he has visited the grave of his father who died in November. Just there to scream at him. Just there. You fucking ruined my life. I had so much money. much money I was set I

had it all yeah you're dead but I'm the one suffering yeah yes I was the king of New Jersey he said I'm not a bad man but I acted badly and apparently we find out he paid the Christoffi family two million dollars to settle the criminal suit or the civil suit He said that he wanted to apologize previously, but the family To the family but was prevented by others who had agendas from approaching them He added that he's deeply sorry and will work on improving himself. He said quote. That's who I am That's who I want my daughters to be proud of He said, quote, that's who I am. That's who I want my daughters to be proud of.

Sure, sure. And holy shit. He also, by the way, has adopted the daughters of his two half-sisters from years ago. But they're like 30 fucking eight years old, I think. Now his one sister died in the 80s, for Christ's sake. Her kid's gotta be older. So there's a reverend involved here

of the Baptist Church in Franklin who sat in the front row behind them and sat next to Tanya Williams who is she still is a estranged wife and he said he's seen no signs of depression in Jason Williams in recent weeks. He said he doesn't feel as if he's a victim. He's adding that he thought the sentence was reasonable. Tanya Williams, the wife, said after her husband sentencing that her husband quote has changed Significantly in the last six weeks since he pleaded less cocky, I don't know and

Yeah, he said he's just been a better guy Tanya Williams says quote. I'm numb Confession is good for the soul. God's will has been done. That's all she would say. Yeah Yeah, that's sorry. It's the New Jersey Supreme Court, not real or Superior Court, not really God's will, but whatever. So Jason Williams now seeks dismissal, dismissal of his DUI charge. Once that gone, he's trying to get rid of that shit. Yeah. He's like, I'm fucked up enough here. Please just let, help me do that. Jason Williams' associate, July 15th, 2010, he's gonna be sentenced now. This is a man charged with hiding

Jason Williams' bloody clothes. Remember John Gordnick from all the way to fuck back there? Yeah, he's the clothes hider here. He's gonna be sentenced here. He was present with the shotgun, all that shit. So we know all about him. He testified that Williams gave him the bloody clothes. So he obviously admitted to

all this. And there you go. So he's going to be we don't know what he's going to be sentenced to, but he's going to be sentenced. August 20th, 2010. The Daily News has an article, let Jason pay for his tree. That's what the city said. They said the city is not extending an olive branch to disgraced NBA star Jason Williams. Instead, it's making him pay for the whole tree. During a court hearing, on the drunken driving bus,

the city will seek more than $16,000 in restitution to replace a 40 foot honey locust tree It's a mature tree. Did it die or did he cut it down? I think he fucked they hit it with an SUV Oh that we fucking destroyed it. Yeah It's dying and it's ruined and they want him to win Yeah, he slammed into the tree at East 20th Street, Nav. C. Yeah, he was charged with driving while intoxicated and may plead guilty today and might as well. He's already in jail. So can we slap that together with this? Sure. August 21st, 2010, he is going to plead guilty in the DUWI case here and it's going to add more bullshit to him.

Absolutely. He said his voice, sometimes unsteady, apologized to his family and said he was working to rebuild his life as he pleaded guilty. His one year sentence, they give him you sir, may fuck off one year in prison for the misdemeanor events, will follow the five year. So he has to do this after. It's not concurrent. It's a separate thing. The Williams said it seems excessive, but it's a small price to pay if it helps to deter drunk driving. Oh, I'll do it for the people. Yeah. This motherfucker should run for office, bro. He's so kind. I'll make terrible mistakes that can hurt lots of people. Then I'll act like just just forgetting the consequences. I can't help help I'll act like I'm being a big fucking altruistic teddy bear.

What a guy. Yeah. What a guy. He says I'll be that poster child for that if it's going to save lives. Is that right? What a Jesus. Guess what? You're going to jail whether it's going to save lives or not motherfucker.

I'll die for all of our sins. Yeah. You're going to jail because a judge told you to go there. That's why you're going there, not for any other reason. He's acting like he's volunteering for it, like, you know what? I'm going to be the guy here. I'm going to martyr myself for the cause. He says, I'm doing the best I can in New Jersey, so this will never happen again.

No you're not. You're in court for doing it. That's what you're doing. He's acting like he's part of some like fucking study team That's gonna try to curb drunk driving and figure out solutions to it. What a fucking asshole September 3rd 2010 now he's fighting conviction conviction now Yeah, he broke he says that he broke his neck now when he drove his Mercedes SUV off FDR Drive jumped a curb onto the

exit ramp and smashed into a tree near East 20th Street. His neck has been broken this whole time? So he said busted neck. Yeah. Busted neck, yeah. Spinal. Broke my back. Broke my back.

September 14th, 2010, Williams puts his Bluffton home, the South Carolina beautiful beach home on the market. It's a seven bedroom home in Berkeley Hall listed for $2.7 million. It's a seven bedroom home on Four York Circle inside Berkeley Hall, which was built in 2007. According to the site, the 17,000 square foot home. Why do you keep building these ridiculous? Who needs 17,000 square feet? Good for them. Who needs that though? But that's ridiculous. If you're running out of money, why are you doing?

No, you don't. You weren't saying so bad. You were saying, I'm looking at one house and you said 3,600 square feet was too much. You said it is too much, but I want it. 17,000. I need it. I can't find it. No, I can afford it is what it is Neither can he why is he building this shit? That's my point. Why is he why does he need? Over 15,000 square feet of house. It's not even just the house. It's like dude that I Perhaps I'm just too goddamn cheap, but I can't I can't see owning something and paying The taxes are crazy South Carolina. They don't have oh, yeah I can't see owning something and paying the taxes

are crazy. It's in South Carolina. They don't have, there's hardly any taxes because they don't do anything. There's no services either. There's nothing to do. Yeah. No. Wow.

It's fucking crazy, yeah. Maybe I do want that. That's why he moved down there. But I don't wanna be there. Not in fucking South Carolina. Yeah. You can give me that for free in South Carolina. I wouldn't fucking live there.

I'm not going. No, not for a, I wouldn't even go there on vacation. Fuck that place They offer a shows there. I'm like, that's okay. Don't need it Nope North Carolina sure anything up there a little ways anyone who's not a twat and the other one can come northward if they want I'm not going down there. So February 2nd the Island packet reported burglars apparently stole at least $60,000 worth of electronics, jewelry, and sports memorabilia from the home.

Is that right? It busted in. Among the items reported missing were an autographed pair of Tiger Woods shoes and handwritten lyrics by Tupac Shakur, one of the lyrics. He owned that? He bought those at an auction somewhere. Wow.

Probably for a good amount of money. Yeah. And September 30th, 2010, here she comes. Tanya is talking about the abuse now. Yeah. Oh yeah, she's holding an event, a domestic violence awareness event. You better give that woman the fucking lyrics

and let her go her quiet way. Fucking, yeah, Jesus Christ. Give her her peace. Something. She said here, the amount of women affected by domestic violence is staggering. She said, I want to speak to the women who are in that situation now and give them the tools to make a change. I'm an example of what it looks like on the other side.

All you need is millions of dollars of your ex-husband's money and you too can make a full recovery from domestic violence. If you live in a trailer park, the other side looks different. The other side's another guy who will give you a black eye and another job at the Waffle House. It's a different story. All we had to do was give her, sure do you want to be a thug lyrics and this could have all gone away.

All gone away. So I guess she said she endured years of psychological abuse and threats of violence. She said when you're living in that existence, when someone causes your life to be dramatically altered because of the fear of what they might do to you, then you're a victim. I saw my personality shifted. I began to protect myself emotionally. I was always on guard. She said the evening is the evening that they're talking about here. They structured

More like a support group than a lecture She said my goal is to empower these women to start thinking about strategies to improve their situations They can't always leave but we can give them a level of self-esteem They said they just need to show up and be prepared to change. They have to love themselves enough despite their situation to come out. So there you go. So she says despite the infamy of my public life I still feel like I've been blessed. I'm in the light so I need to be helpful. I'm humbled to have this opportunity that I've created to do this. Yeah, so there you go.

December 1st, 2010, Jason Williams takes a plea deal again to a charge of aggravated assault. They're talking about that. And yeah, we're talking about all this shit here. They said that he was found not, okay, there we go. April 5th, 2011, okay. Former coach here pleads guilty. This is just interesting. This is just totally separate from Jason Williams. Former coach, legendary New York City high

school basketball coach who won five city championships and trained a number of eventual college and NBA standouts pleaded guilty Monday in Boston to child sex abuse dating back to the 70s. Who the hell is that? Robert Oliva, 66, was sentenced in Suffolk Superior Court to five years probation after pleading guilty to two counts of child rape and one count of disseminating pornography to a minor. The victim, then 14 years old, was not one of Olivia's high school players, somebody else.

The prosecutor said they were able to charge him in the 35-year-old case because the statute of limitations was frozen while he lived out of state. So it was like it was still 1977. Oliva won 549 games and five city championships in 27 seasons at Christ the King Regional High School where he coached several NBA future players such as Lamar Odom, Khalid Reeves and Jason Williams. That's his coach. He resigned in 2009.

May 21st, 2011. Here we go. Tanya's back again. Tanya is talking about two men who took her on a terrifying trailer ride through Bluffton last week should be booked on charges like assault and reckless endangerment or kidnapping. She said, I'm fully prepared to continue to fight until these criminal charges are leveled. She said, the elements of this are unquestionable. A criminal act happened. Apparently on May 10th, she was she saw two men loading her $12,000 golf cart on a trailer.

People were robbing her. So they said that Charles Houston told deputies that he had power of attorney over the assets of the divorce and couple. This is a guy who was supposed to take this shit apparently. And he and Michael Walters were taking the cart to be appraised. A confrontation ensued and Houston drove off while Tanya was aboard the trailer. She stood on the trailer and said, I'm not getting off. And they said, okay, just sort of driving.

We're leaving with it. Get in if you want. You can fuck off the trailer then. After traveling to a side street near the intersection of US 278 and South Carolina 170, Tonya claims Houston hit the brakes and then quickly accelerated, breaking the chain that held the cart in place and causing her in the cart to fall from the trailer. Oh my God. I mean, well, if you think someone's stealing your shit, call the cops. Otherwise, this type of stuff could happen. Don't do this. This isn't good. They said that, um, that you think someone's stealing your shit, call the cops. Otherwise, this type of stuff could happen. Don't do this

This isn't good. They said that um that he did not know whether she was on board when houston drove away But saying that she was screaming and in such a panic that an individual in another vehicle called 911 from the highway Because they saw a woman Hanging on with her fucking feet dangling off a trailer for dear life Weld a fucking airbag to that thing and let it go. Yeah, she said there's no possible way these men did not know I was on the back of that trailer. This is fucking funny, man. So that's kinda hilarious, honestly. I mean, no one's really hurt, she's fine, so it's just kinda funny at this point.

August 13th, 2011, Jason Williams is moving to jail. He'll be transferred from the mid-state correctional facility in Wrightstown to finish his sentence for aggravated assault. From there, he'll begin serving a one-year sentence for DUI in New York City. There you go. So they're going to move. January 30th, 2012, former All-Star Jason Williams, quote, the Moses of Rikers. Oh boy. Oh my God. Is writing a new book, that's why.

Okay. Fucking ridiculous, yes, he's writing a new book. He wrote Loose Balls before, and then he has this memoir that came out that seems like a huge load of steaming horse shit at that point. It's called you know what the new title of it is? Tell me humbled. Oh humbled. Yeah, that's what it is. So that's fucking ridiculous. This is about Chris. Let's see one guy Christopher Hughes, who was imprisoned alongside Williams, who

was interviewed, said this. He termed him the Moses of Rikers. He said Williams worked as a suicide prevention assistant for a week on the midnight shift to help inmates who are contemplating killing themselves. Oh, well, he's Moses, obviously. What a guy. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

He also, they said, receives tons of mail and spends four hours a day writing back and also pending a second book, which includes the bombshell that he was sexually abused as a child. Oh. And he said, it's raw. That's what the guy who his prison pal said. Despite the goofy title and cheery tone, William's first book is sadly foretelling and also quite raw at times, definitely worth the read in spite of the distaste you should have for William's life gone wrong. They mean loose balls is what

they're considering. Williams wouldn't be the first guy to turn his life around while in prison, but he also wouldn't be the first guy to briefly turn his life around in prison before falling back into old habits. Yeah. Miami Herald, January 31st, 2012. big article, ex-NBA star, now Moses of Rikers. Fantastic. They're just going to... It's wild, man. They said, people treat him like a star. Every single person shakes his hand. He is like Moses, the Moses of Rikers. Jason would sign people's Bibles in church. Is that right?

Yeah, that's weird. You didn't write that, sir. Or based on everything I've seen, fucking read it either. You've got nothing to do with this. That is fucking wild. March 20th, 2012, he is to be released from prison. Okay. Yeah they're saying that he's currently serving his one-year term and he is projected to be released on April 15th. April 13th 2012 he's released from

jail. 9 15 a.m. he crossed over the Rikers Bridge leaving the island behind in favor of a chilly Queens morning He had spent his last eight months there and he said I'm eager to see my daughters my mother my siblings and make amends For what they've been through start my life over with God being first and in the center of everything I did is that what he's gonna do exactly what he's gonna do. Okay He said Yeah, that's it. He wouldn't talk more to reporters. That's all he said he exited a bus and got onto the SUV which took off and

He's gone. He's a released status So just to go over his violence 92 was the busting a mug over ahead of a bar worker 1994 was firing a weapon at nobody. There's also trying to rough up a cop that one time. There's the shooting, there's the suicidal shit, there's the beating up his wife allegedly, there's the hotel room, there's a lot of stuff going on here. He's a bad guy. He's not, yeah, the bar fight.

He's done a lot of bad things. The fucking killing a tree, he's done all sorts of shit here. Wow, he said that he His hope is that that that he was gonna be a different guy now One of his friends said I hope it doesn't scar him for everything good that he did it resonates You don't ever anticipate that someone's gonna be sitting there looking at a murder charge. It makes you say well, what happened? How did it happen? Sometimes bad things happen to good people and that's just the nature of life.

Sure. He shot a guy. It didn't happen to him. It's a real victim, this guy. Holy shit. He says he's gone through counseling and taught Bible study. Which couldn't mean less to me. I'm in prison for killing a guy and now I like the Bible I don't care what the fuck book you like fuck off pretty I'm in here and now I'm super into fucking Tom Clancy novels great Enjoy don't fucking care. We were the rings guy. Yeah, big Tolkien wonderful knock yourself out Jesus so September 27 2012 he does an interview with ESPN calm And he says he's a different guy. He says he knows

Some people are hesitant to trust him He's a convicted felon, but he is a changed man, and he doesn't doesn't want anybody to say otherwise He said just watch me just watch my actions Yeah, man me just watch my actions yeah man he says he's the vice president at this point of gourmet services international and partnering with loud digital network to host his own online channel his cats not gonna work his calendar is filled with speaking engagements and charity events some several hours away and his cell phone rings constantly with more requests for his time. What year is this? 2012.

Yeah. He's just tons of requests for his time. Sure. People, William says, I can't understand when people go to jail and come back out and don't want to tell nobody. Man, tell someone how bad this thing is so they don't have to go there.

His manager again says, she seems to be taking over for Judy, this manager. And in 2012, it was a big secret how bad jail was. Nobody knew. Nobody knew that they didn't want to go to jail. It was real, real hush hush. You know, they said his story is what drives him every day to be able to share to the youth or whoever it may be. Who's willing to listen.

This is what happened to me. This is where I screwed up. This is where my downfall was just to share to people the ripple effect, that one split second that can cause hurt to so many people. Just been out. What's life been like since you've been out? Jay Will says, it's been a lot more challenging than I thought. I never imagined I'd be leaving the house at 530 in the morning and working 18-hour days.

He had no idea. No idea that people worked for a living. 18 hours. 18 hours. He's so busy, Jimmy. That's what it is. He's just so busy. He sleeps three hours a night?

That's it, man. He says, and I think I make it more difficult than it has to be at certain times by trying to save the world. You know, I'm just such a good guy. I'm out 18 hour days trying to save the world. You know, I'm just such a good guy. I'm out 18 hour days trying to save the world. So you know, it's rough, man. I run into Superman every once in a while and give him a nod. He gives me a nod.

We're both doing the same work. We get it. We talk shit about Batman because he's just a guy. You know, we're like just some dude with a fucking belt, some fucking whiny bitch with a belt. We've all had shit childhoods Batman fuck off some dude with money fuck out of here you rich pussy most people's parents get killed they don't have a pot to piss in no orphanage for you rich boy so he said

that he said some days I just saved the community I'm gonna read that over again. Oh boy quote some days. I just saved the community Some days I just have to wake up and save myself, but it has to be the other way around I never understood it on the airplane when people said put your own oxygen mask on first I was like why wouldn't you want to put it on your parents or your kids first? You got to get healthy first before you can truly help somebody else. He's getting it now. They said, how are you getting healthy? And he said, first of all, putting God first, number one, dying to my ego and staying sober, which is always a struggle. And I'm thinking,

I think I'm learning how to say no. I've learned how to say no in prison because that's a big word in prison. No, you can't have my food. No, you can't have my body. No, you can't have all my time. Jesus. No, you can't fuck my ass or steal my food. Jesus. Yeah, no, that's for sure. Wow. He said, that's the craziest thing. No, you can't have my body. Can't believe you have to say that, Jason. I can't have my body. Can't believe you have to say that, Jason. That's a big given. Most places you don't have to say that. It's just assumed.

Prison's the only place. He said, no, I don't agree with you. No, you're not getting that ball on that bogus call. But when I got out, I caught myself being in the whirlwind like before, where I went in when people sometimes take advantage of your time. go Jay come do this man It'll be good for your image and come on Jay This will show that you're doing some things to redeem yourself

But you've got to be very careful of being used in situations not for the glory of God But for the glory of the individual It's it's a fine line and you can't be everywhere and be everything to everybody and I think that's what's got me in a lot Of situations before because I wanted everybody to like me, right? I think right now a more focused on not minding other people's business If you like me, I love it If you don't that's your business and I can't mind it myself because I've got too many things to do Busy guy. He said one of the things, they said,

what kinds of things are you doing? He said, one of the things I've never stopped, even after the accident was doing charity events like the one I'm doing, I was doing before. But there's never been a template for what I'm doing. Athletes and celebrities come out of jail and most of them go back to play or they go back to making movies or songs, but they never go back to explain to somebody how one mistake or one accident will change your life forever and really mean it. I'd be a liar if I told you I wasn't trying to help myself. There you go.

There it is. But I truly don't wanna see anybody cause any more pain to anybody. And I don't wanna see anybody in a cage, man. Everybody thinks they're so tough and they can go to jail. I've never seen a newbie go to jail and not cry the first two months every night Scream and have to go to suicide prevention in front of his cell So his attorney said that he recalls times when it was hard to communicate with Williams who became distant and moody

During the legal process. He said he was never disrespectful, but he thought the grind of those years He said he was never disrespectful, but he thought the grind of those years Mixed with issues with alcohol and illnesses and his family just just ground down his mental state. I imagine He said that's why Williams said the first time he had peace during this time of his life was the day He was finally sentenced to prison said he went to a cell closed the door and said it's finally over and then he'd He decided I was going to do the time and not let the time do me. Or my cellmate. Or my cellmate will do me either or anybody else. He said I began as the lawyer. I began to see the change when I visited him in prison. He seemed very accepting. He didn't know whether he was going to get parole.

He didn't know what was going to happen with the New York charge, whether he'd have to go to Rikers, and it took me, he looked me dead in the eye and said, whatever happens, I deserve it, I'll deal with it. Hopefully it'll be short, but if it's long, it's long. It's at that point that I began to believe that Jason had really made a turn in his life and is heading in the right direction as opposed to wanting people to get him out of there. He's good now. You betcha. After four fucking episodes, he's finally good, right everybody?

There we go. They said, can you talk about your time in prison? Jason said, the only one that brought me peace and comfort being locked in the cage and trying to forgive myself and have other people forgive me was, who do you think? Jesus.

It's God, yeah. It's all about God. People are going to read this article and say, everybody who goes to prison finds God. Exactly. Yeah. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Or you could just be a normal person and not try to put it on a fucking, you know, some fucking entity and just say, it's on me. I got to be a better person. Not be a shithead. They don't say that Jesus is for the desperate for nothing, man. I mean, you're at the end of your rope and you're leaning on the one thing that nobody can fault you for. Yeah, and nobody can take away from you.

Yeah, but guess what? You could also believe in... You could also kind of fault you for it. Yeah. Well, to me, it's like, if this is when you did that to me, that's weakness Yeah, yeah, I mean like sure if you didn't believe in this shit. You're only believing in it now because of that That's just a week. That's some weak shit You're looking as a fucking escape mechanism if you're religious to begin with and now you're refound it then good for you I don't know if I can knock yourself out

He said I honestly believe I could have become one of the most dangerous people in prison with my influence and my stature and my finances. It's true. What kind of thing is that to say out loud, though? He's a giant guy that is very influential and famous and has money. He could have ran that motherfucker.

He really could have. He said, when I first got to prison, the first couple weeks, I was like, wow, I can become a really dangerous man in here It's an option. He's thinking about But believe it or not. I didn't have my accountant send me one dime in prison. I didn't want to be no different I didn't want them to go in there and say I was living like Big Willie and cause envy I had all the ramen and fucking honey buns Big Willie style

Train strangers true strangers and a few family members sent me money. They said, what were your quarters like? He said, there were 36 people together in one room the size of my bedroom in my house. In the back where there was, where the problems were, they'd play cards and watch TV in the back. I've seen people get four or five years added to their sentence because sports and general hospital rule everything. You touch that TV, you got problems. Is that right? Yeah, people are watching their soaps

and they're watching their fucking sports. They said in prison, well, soaps is women, you know, in sexual situations, it's all you're going to get on network TV. So yeah, they said in prison you quickly learn instincts you didn't know you had, such as how people walk. Somebody has a limp, somebody drags their feet. I can tell you how all 36 people in that cell walk with my face to the wall. If you wanted to get sleep you better memorize things like that. He said if somebody walked down and had sneakers on at night, you knew it. You knew you had a problem because you know you're supposed

to hear slippers. But if people go strap up, that means you hear squeaking and someone's coming to fight. Sneakers, yeah, you don't want to fight in slippers. They said, what kind of people were you in there with? Fucking criminals. What do you think? It's prison. It's fucking prison. What kind of people?

Mostly church ladies. Children. Children and church ladies. Very nice people. Basics, things like that. Whoever was at Diddy's house, you know, people like that. That's who is in there now. He said, what kind of people?

My fellow peers, people who all deserve second chances, made mistakes and people that know the Bible will forgive them if they want forgiveness. Oh, he has gone full inmate. Full inmate. Yeah, he was in, it's been 18 months, and he's like totally indoctrinated inmate here. Yeah, talk to any inmate that really did it, and they will all say the most injustice

is carried out behind the walls. It's like, come on, man, no it's not. It's funny, but he's just got a different attitude than Ruben Carter had in jail who was like, fuck this shit, because he felt he was innocent. Whereas this guy is like, well, he's just trying to get like something. He said, nobody that I was better than and nobody that was better than me, just my fellow peers, that's who was in there with me.

The lawyer fucked us all. Well, that's it. What did you do with your time in prison? We started a church in there with two people and soon we had 80% of the people we lived with attending It changed the culture people were saying good morning We started off with 15 minutes and then started running 25 to 30 minutes and at the end we did 50 push-ups We worked the mind body and spirit. We had a people we had people on fire for God Which seems like ass kickers united the fucking Dennis Reynolds boy he said when I got transferred to Rikers it was one of the

saddest days in my life because I had to leave the church and culture we created in mid-state correctional facility and I had to leave friends that I spent more time with except for my parents I remember all 36 guys sitting around saying goodbye the day I left. They said, did you play ball in prison? He said, yes, the games were quite competitive, some very athletic people in prison, but there was also, there was a whole lot of arguing. Every call went with an argument, sometimes a fight. Yeah. No one's like, no, I got him. I got him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, no, I got him, I got him. No, none of that shit. What was the hardest part of prison? Claustrophobia, he says. I was never worried about a human being. I was worried about being claustrophobic. That I understand. Being 6'10 and being in a place that's not made for people that are 6'10. Yeah, being almost as long as your cell.

Yes, I feel claustrophobic like in small hotel rooms. I could feel like I could touch the sides of my hands. If I was even bigger, I'd be like, holy fuck, that would be horrible. Isn't it six by eight? The man can almost lay down, touch his head and toes to the bars and wall. That's crazy.

He had a big room, I think, was there. He said, oh no, this is in Rikers. At Rikers, they lock the door and you hear it. He said, and they double lock it. You can't see out of the windows. They're barred up full of dirt and grime and there's no light that comes through there. It was August and the walls were sweaty and you're locked in a cell. Gross.

Rolls dripping. Jesus. Fuck. They said being left alone in your cell with your thoughts is a dangerous thing. That's why there are suicide prevention assistants walking up and down the halls. This article goes on to say, thankfully for Williams, he had found an outlet for his contemplations through his cellmate, Matt Maher, a former soccer player who's in the midst of serving a five-year sentence for killing a man while drunk driving. The two professional athletes formed a bond at the state prison. They studied Bible together, played ball together, and even cooked together.

That's just a lovely relationship they're having. Usually mackerel with ramen and ramen noodles. Oh, God. That would be decent. Better way to get some. Fish? Oh. Yeah, put whatever in there. It's like a fucking soup at that point,

like a ramen soup that you get from a place. I suppose, but yeah, not fucking mackerel. Not in prison. No. Mackerel's good, man. You is what it is. Not in prison. No. Mackerel's good, man. You don't like fish. Yeah, I don't want prison mackerel and prison noodles. No, I have a feeling though they got,

I don't think mackerel is on the prison menu. I think that's the shit they got. I'll bet it's a salted canned one. It probably is, yeah. It's not just a fucking fly. You're not sitting there scaling fish in there, probably. William said that Marr was the one person Williams could truly trust at all times.

He said, I only ate with one person. You can't eat with just anybody because you don't know how their day is going. True. He said Marr also started a blog while in prison. There was no internet, but he would write and date his entries, then send them in an envelope to his mother who would post them online

Williams began to write to said he wasn't comfortable with the blog format and started to address Letters to his father addressing letters to his father who died in 2009 from a stroke He said just using the inside of a pen because in prison they asked the outside plastic parts of a pen could be Just as mighty as a sword. So he poured out his thoughts about God, prison, family, and many tragedies in his personal life here. In June he published many of these letters into a second book which is called Humbled. So they said, how did the Humbled book come about?

He said, I remember writing 25 to 30 pages at 5.30 to 6 in the morning while people were sleeping and not remember what I wrote. I remember writing 25 to 30 pages at 5.30 to 6 in the morning while people were sleeping and not remember what I wrote. I wrote so much stuff and sent it to Matt Maher's mother who kept it for safekeeping for me and would read it. He said, one time Matt's friend had a death in the family and she read the letters and it was bringing her peace and comfort. She asked me about after about 16 months in prison, Jay, would you mind if I put some

of these stories together? He said I actually had a seven digit advance to write a salacious book with the number one literary agent And I spoke to a famous person who told me I got too much God in my book I had to make a decision do I want to make this a Hollywood bestseller Shawshank Redemption? Or do I want to do I want to let go and let God? bestseller Shawshank Redemption or do I want to do I want to let go and let God he said I self I self published it and let it let go and let God the books proceeds go to charity yeah he means New York bestseller yeah look the fuck out of yours doesn't have bestsellers fucking ridiculous so he says he wants to get this book out to as many people as possible And he said God tries to deal with me privately for years

But I said God when I get to be about 40 through to 43 I'll get back to you then God said I've been trying to deal with you privately now I'm gonna deal with you publicly here comes news cameras here comes all your business in the street here comes your bottom Oh, that's weird in prison here Here comes your ambulance and your police cars and your judges and your lawyers and your graveyards. Now do I have your attention? God had to break me down. He says he can still display the same wit and humor

as he did before. He said, but you know, it's different. He said, with my family, with three sisters being killed and the tragedies of being molested by someone you trusted and causing so much pain, like taking an innocent man's life like I did, we have to find something to make us smile." Wow, I guess so. They said, what do you still struggle with now?

He said, I struggle with the loss of lives, the loss of Mr. Christoffy and the loss of my father. An hour goes, doesn't go by that I don't think about the accident, about how I can repay this as to bring back Mr. Christoffy. And not one person died that night, two people died. My dad had never been in the hospital in 70 years. That's the ripple effect. I can do my time, but can my father do it? No. Can my kids do it? No. Because of prison, I haven't seen my kids in years." And he says, they said, does that affect you? And he said, you never sleep and you can't blame them. They didn't recklessly mishandle the shotgun. I did.

Oh, wait, hold on. He's admitting it now. He's admitting it. Finally. That's nice. Yeah. He said, how does the accident play a role in your life now? He said, you never look at it for pity for yourself. I caused pain so I have to constantly go to scripture Jesus christ, so um, he said um pour me pour me my butt I caused this My butt which is fucking hilarious He said when you haven't seen your kids in years and you're going around trying to save other

peoples and you have to look at yourself in the mirror and say, what's going on? Because I'm going through some difficulties, some challenges. The only ones that are hurting right now are my children. And to me, they're the biggest part of my life. This is a scar where for whatever reason I'm not being up, I'm not up for father of the year and it's my fault. That's the toughest thing in life because I've got the best partners in the world and I'm not a good, I got the best parents in the world and I'm not a good I got the best parents in the world and I'm not a good parent.

Yeah. Um, they said, what's your relationship like with the Christoffy family? And he said the r they wrote me a letter years back saying they forgave me, but this had to do with legalities, something that to be honest with you, it was like, take this few million dollars, but can you sign this letter? Do I want to have a relationship with them? Of course, from day one, I want to have a relationship with them? Of course. From day one I wanted to have a relationship with them. When that time comes when they're ready, I'm ready. I said are you able to be the fun loving guy you

were before? And he said it's a struggle. Sure is. Yeah. He said I dated a young lady named Cynthia Bailey, a supermodel. She's a beautiful woman inside and out but Picasso she was not. She drew me a beautiful picture once. It was me in a beautiful woman inside and out but Picasso she was not she drew me a beautiful picture once It was me in a clown's uniform and the clown was crying. She titled it tears of a clown. Yeah Yeah, this so it's been a lot of there that smoky Robinson had a whole fucking song about it He's she said all you do is try to make everybody else's life better, but never your own It's one of the few pieces of artwork that I've kept. She was right. I've never had peace." He said, do you have peace now? He said, as long as I have God, I have peace.

He's the prince of it, James. That's it. The prince of peace. That's going to be the name of this episode, by the way. Prince of peace. I like it. Okay. He said, um, I always had to have the biggest car in the biggest house because if you have the biggest car in the biggest house, you got more friends and more friends means less insecurity BS. It's just the other way around. Now I have fewer friends, more security, less problems, more peace and plenty of God. My money, more problems. Yeah. That's right. He says, you know who ain't going back to jail me. You know why? Because I'm with me and I know me now and I know where I'm weak and you know what I'm saying? I don't

need nobody to tell me I'm not weak when I know I'm weak and I'm struggling every day. He also says he's his body hurts too. He said he said that he's 44. He said he's down to his playing weight now. And he says that, that you know he's been schooling some up-and-comers in the NBA on and off the court Which is why even at 44 he isn't ruling out the possibility of attempting a comeback to the game He loves you out of your fucking where are you gonna play? Thailand where the fuck are you going? Probably he can still play there if you can run, right? I would assume so. Not in an NBA. No. Not when you're six foot ten, three twenty. That's crazy. You broke

your fucking leg. Yeah. Yeah. And your legs been broken and everything else. He said he plays basketball every day. He said, I mentor about three or four NBA guys and many college kids. None of them have ever beat me one on one. I don't know if they let me win because of where I've been, but it means so much when you can still play at their level and communicate with them. When you can dunk on somebody and then sit down and tell them, hey man, one mistake can change your life forever, they listen.

They're absorbing everything I'm telling them. They don't want this to happen to them. Yeah, because you shot a guy. I mean, they're gonna listen to that. They said, what advice do you give them? And this is actually good advice. Don't nothing good happen after 1130. That's good advice.

That's a good advice I've heard a lot. Nothing good happens after midnight. That's like a lot of what a lot of athletes say. If you don't get whatever you want by 1130, you don't need it. Go home. If Julius Irving would have tried to explain it to me when he was 40 and I was 20, which he didn't and he's a friend, I would have listened.

But these guys listen because I caused so much pain and lost so much that I'm not a cliche. I lived it. There ain't no BS. I ain't going to jail for 30 days. I've been there. I've been to the mountaintop and I've been to the valley. What are you going to do next?

And he says, what I want to do, people say I'm too old to do or too damaged to do. I say, how old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? Okay, you'd be exactly how fucking old you are. And especially, doesn't matter how old you know you are, when 22 year old guys jump over your head and dunk on you, they know how old you are. That's what's important He said I keep myself ready for whatever I'm going down the court. Yeah, so I mean you can't do any of it I keep myself ready for whatever God has in store for me physically mentally and spiritually He said but if I told you what I wish to do you think I was crazy

But I keep myself physically ready at all times. He says I'm crazy and stupid Yeah, do you miss the game? I miss the game dearly or whatever self-physically ready at all times. He says, crazy and stupid. Yeah. Do you miss the game? I miss the game dearly. Whatever. Could you see yourself involved in the NBA again? Says, I take it one day at a time with my sobriety and whatever God has in store for me. Jesus fucking Christ. This, these fucking answers, man. The good thing about Jason Williams was he'd actually tell you what he thought before. Now everything is like, well, whatever God wants. Like, he's turned into one of these injuries.

They said, are you fully recovered from your leg injuries? He said, running like a sewing machine, smooth. They said, so you're saying you're ready for a comeback? And he said, guess what he said, Jimmy. I don't know yet, I haven't ruled it out. I'm ready for whatever God has in store for me. That's the one. Depends on if Jesus presents it.

Yeah. 2016, he's inducted into the New York City Basketball Hall of Fame with the class of 2016. December 2018, that's when a third book comes out, Crashing, a Memoir. Three books this guy wrote. Fuck. What the fuck. At that point now, so crashing comes out. Where are we here? I just lost my space. Yeah, he's trying to figure out what the fuck

he's doing. He, October 21st, 2022, daughters of his denounce his St. John's Hall of Fame nod. Oh, they don't like him. Apparently, they said that the daughters of his denounce his St. John's Hall of Fame nod. They don't like him, apparently. They said that the daughters of the former NBA All-Star Jason Williams have denounced St. John's University for its decision to induct their father into the school's Athletics Hall of Fame because of accusations of neglect in their lives following his role in 2002. Triumph and Wisdom Williams both wrote open letters they sent Friday to the Associated Press and also planned to send to St. John's that said the school should be ashamed for his induction into the class.

The 54-year-old Williams talked about his jail. Wisdom Williams, 18-year-old student at the Fashion Institute of Technology, accused her father of being an alcoholic and a deadbeat father who lacks any sense of remorse. Oh boy. My god. I would say the sisters accused him of neglect, emotional, and verbal abuse, and that the power forward failed to provide adequate financial support for them as well. Triumph, who's 19 years old and studying at DePaul University, detailed accusations that her sister was locked in a trash chute by Williams. What the fuck is that about? Why would you do that?

Cause she's- She's bad? Bad, I guess. Wow. Triumph also lashed out at St. John's as possibly fools misusing money to honor Jason Williams. Why are you being honored and inducted into the hall of fame when I've always had to earn my survival,

let alone my success in spite of you? Oh, St. John's University, you should be ashamed of yourself. Jesus Christ. Wisdom said, I knew that I couldn't change who my father was or the way he viewed and treated me. I knew the contrition and apologies were never coming. And she also said, she wrote a poem about her father and Dedicated it to him called quote the weakest man. I know Jason

Wow Williams declined comment and said that James st. John said that they planned ahead to go Include him in the weekend. They said this is Jason Williams life journey is one that includes childhood trauma time spent in a homeless shelter, addiction, incarceration and recovery issues that impact countless American families. Also trying to get out from under a murder charge. We've all had that. We've all had that right. It's hard. Very fucking normal here. They said part of recovery and redemption process is restoring trust accepting help and finding comfort and support in the journey and that coupled with his athletic accomplishments is what St. John's University recognizes with Jason Williams this homecoming weekend.

Okay, they're also going to induct some Olympians here as well. Two thousand twenty three that is when he's elected into the Hall of Fame. Right now, if you look up his LinkedIn, he says that he is in Jason Williams Rebound Holistic Care, dial 8772 Rebound, the number two rebound. And he's in West Palm Beach right now. And you can attend his, what is it, a camp, a conference? I don't know, you can fucking call it. is it, a camp, a conference? What is it? You can fucking call it. It says, experienced founder with a demonstrated history of working in the mental health care industry.

Oh, wow. Skilled in leadership, community outreach, marketing, public speaking, and team building. Strong entrepreneurship professional with a bachelor's degree focused on liberal arts and sciences from St. John's University. Golly. No idea what his fucking net worth is.

I know this is wrong. If you look at like his net worth online, it says 40 million. What? Which not even close to that. He was almost bankrupt before. He probably spent, yeah, there's no way. His contract, he made 86 million. So after taxes and agents and all that, he's bare. He'd have to hang on to every dime of it. Ever never spent a word of a dime of it. And he spent at least 10, 15 million on his defense.

So anyway, if you can't get enough of this fucking lunatic, we have, there's a 2000 Jason Williams upper deck card that he signed. And it's actually a cool looking card because it's from above the rim Like the bird's eye view of the rim. So it's him and Horace Grant both going for the same rebound together They're both looking up with their arms. It's a cool card, but for a signed Jason Williams card Oh, I think it came like that 27 to 31. So it was like in the set a

$100 for, which no way. Or a regular card with no signature, a 97.98 tops chrome. Jason Williams is a dollar 30. That's a little bit better. And I mean, let's see here. I mean, honestly, Christophe, the kids, the family, Jason, when he was little, there's a lot of people to feel sorry for here. Certainly. But with this common name, feel bad for all those people Jimmy but not

nearly as bad as I feel for Jay Williams who played at Duke and then played in the NBA was drafted in 2002 the second overall pick so the year he shot Christophe yeah this guy's name was Jay Williams coming into the draft and it was really not okay. And that's him. Oh no, wait, isn't it? No, that's the Bulls Jay Williams that got drafted from Duke and went to the Bulls.

That's not White Chocolate, that's not Jason. Oh my God. That's Duke. I thought he was a number one overall, but he was a number two overall in the pick that year. Jason David Williams he was, that was his name, poor bastard. He couldn't get away from it. Yeah Him though. He works for ESPN and

Does all sorts of NBA shit like that. So he didn't kill anybody Also, Jason Williams same spelling and everything. Oh, it says doing well by doing right Same shit same shit. He works for Mason Dixon companies and I don't know what the hell he's doing here and this is Jason Williams same spelling, division president in Birmingham and Huntsville Alabama ranked by avid number one meeting and exceeding annual growth. AL's best companies to work for number one who the fuck knows. Rausch Coleman Homes he worked for. There you go.

Jason Williams, just United States. It says United States Courts, so that could be our guy, who knows? He's a probation officer, though, it looks like there. And that, everybody, after four weeks, is finally the saga of Jason fucking Williams. There's enough of him, but I mean... He's really, man, his life has just been turmoil since he got drafted. NBA is the worst thing to happen to him. Fucking mess. Well, he's just so arrogant, so cocky, so I'm the best. I need to be the biggest, the best, the baddest, the coolest.

And he wasn't even that good. No, his best season he had like 12 and 12. Like he wasn't even, or 10 and 10. Like he's not a good, not a great player at all by any stretch. And that was for like two seasons he was decent. So he had like, it's really a fucking sad, at least like Dennis Rodman went nuts, but he had a lot of, he had a shitload of rings. Oh man, he was a, you know, he's the best rebounder, one of the best who's ever lived. He's played with some of the best talent and still stood out. That's amazing

Played with Jordan played with David Robinson played with all those people with the pistons for Christ's sake Yeah, plays the bad boys Isaiah Dumars, but here fucking Sally all those guys out still stood out That's what I mean even before he did shit to his hair or dress or did any of that shit So Madonna, yeah fucking Madonna and Carmen Malectra. So there I said Carmen Malectra. She's hot too. I just call her Malectra. I bet she's hot as fuck.

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