Crime in Sports - #5 - A Violent Forrest Gump? - The Happenings of Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka

Episode Date: March 8, 2016

This week, we come off the top rope, with a man who may be a mentally incompetent old man, trying to live out his golden years... Or a murderer, who has evaded responsibility for over 3 decad...es. His competency is currently up to the courts, but his stupidity is completely up to you. It's Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: crimeinsports@gmail.comDonate on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the app today. Discover all the best in audiobooks, podcasts, and originals featuring authentic Canadian voices and celebrity talent, like Brendan Fraser and Luke Kirby's latest sci-fi adventure, The Downloaded. A first listen is waiting for you when you start your free trial at audible.ca. on the Mr. Ballin Podcast, now available wherever you get your podcasts, you'll hear strange, dark, and mysterious stories about inexplicable encounters, shocking disappearances, true crime cases, and everything in between. So go listen to Mr. Ballin Podcast, strange, dark, and mysterious stories on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Crime and Sports. Thanks for joining us. My name is James Petrogallo.
Starting point is 00:01:26 I'm here as always with my co-host. Jimmy Westman. Thank you so much for joining us. Hope you guys have been enjoying the show so far. Jason Williams last week. I think he was as big a disaster as we promised. I love him. This week we're moving on.
Starting point is 00:01:40 We're moving outside of the world of kind of what you'd call mainstream sports. We're heading into wrestling this week. Professional wrestling. And dealing with Jimmy Superfly Snooker. I love him. Now, right off the bat, we're doing wrestling, so there's going to be wrestling fans with their own little cult out there.
Starting point is 00:01:57 So I'm going to stay as true to them as I can and try to have information and not sound like I just never heard of wrestling before, because I do know some stuff. And for you non-wrestling fans, people that normally tune in to hear about football and basketball players, trust us. There's no scum in this to even it out. It's funny and it's good.
Starting point is 00:02:16 And if you don't think that they're athletes, then imagine Pablo Sandoval coming off the top rope. They're athletes. Okay. So, and especially Snuka, as we're going to get into. He's an amazing physical specimen and a great athlete and a fucking lunatic. Much better form than any
Starting point is 00:02:32 fat-ass pitcher pitching today. Exactly. Any relief pitcher right now, he's doing better. So, we get into Snuka. Let's see here. Snuka, interesting guy. He was actually born born his name was James Wiley Smith
Starting point is 00:02:46 which sounds extremely white Wiley as shit sounds like a blonde man he was born on May 18th 1943
Starting point is 00:02:55 his parents interesting situation with his parents apparently his father was already married to another woman when he impregnated
Starting point is 00:03:04 Snuka's mother and Snuka's mother was already engaged to another woman when he impregnated Snooka's mother. All right. And Snooka's mother was already engaged to another man also. Holy shit. So they. It's like a Swingers episode or something. Snooka's real father went and married the woman or stayed with his wife. And Snooka's mom married this man.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Wow. And was Bornard Reier is his name. And they raised snooker and Marshall Islands so he didn't even know his dad I know what I mean they were they were in the Marshall and the Fiji and then the Marshall Islands and then ended up in Hawaii in his teen years fascinating yeah he's a he was a cliff diver yeah I know I which is pretty cool people tourists would throw change in
Starting point is 00:03:43 the water I guess coins and he would dive down and get catch them before they hit the bottom that was his trick wow and then he got to keep all the coins the origin of the superfly splash right there so he would uh he would do that take the coins home to his mom and be like you know i made some dough today i made money i became a pro bodybuilder in the 60s if you've ever seen jimmy superfly snooker just a ripped just a ripped cut individual. He really is pretty impressive.
Starting point is 00:04:07 So yeah, no surprise that he was a bodybuilder in his younger days in the 60s, in the 1960s. And when he was in his 20s, he won Mr. Hawaii, Mr. Waikiki, Mr. North Shore. Mr. Hawaii. Mr. Hawaii. Just every Mr. All-Around, beach body, tan skin. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Ripped chest and ripply belly. And a crazy person. And a lunatic. No fear at all. Psychotic, right. Psychotic, right. So he starts wrestling in Hawaii in 1970. His name was Jimmy Kealoha, which they put Aloha in there, which is pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:04:38 He wrestled in Hawaii for a little bit, and that's not really a big wrestling scene then, so he had to come to the States. He came to the States, went to Portland,land uh pacific northwest territory with a promoter named don owen up there and uh he did well up there actually broke in became the soup became super you know snooker became jimmy snooker um he's the six-time heavyweight champ up there all right so did well for himself uh tag team champs a couple times uh dutch savage was his partner up there. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:05 And so some interesting stuff up in Portland and he bounces all around as the wrestlers do back then. Wrestling isn't what it is now, back then. Wrestling back then,
Starting point is 00:05:14 and this is very important for how, what comes out later in this story, his crime, or alleged crime, comes down. Basically,
Starting point is 00:05:24 this wouldn't have happened in wrestling today. Today, it's big business. These guys are on television, national television, all the time. It's a huge thing. It's McMahon's wallet you're fucking with. Exactly. And if anybody had any kind of issue, it would be on TMZ immediately. It would be on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:05:40 It would blow off. Forget it. This guy would be fired. The ultimate warrior died in a parking lot, and it was front page news. It was everywhere. Yeah. And he hasn't been quote-unquote relevant for how many years?
Starting point is 00:05:52 20 years, yeah. And even still, when he died, it was still a big story. It was a big deal. Back then, this is the time, this is the year. We're talking when Snooker's incident happened. We're talking 1983. It's when Vince McMahon first took over the WWF then, not even the WWE yet. Hulk Hogan's still wearing yellow.
Starting point is 00:06:10 Hulk Hogan wasn't even in the WWF yet. Oh, no kidding. Hulk Hogan was hanging out in Minneapolis with Vern Gagne, freezing his ass off, fighting a guy named Nick Bockwinkle who looked like somebody's uncle. Flicking icicles off his handlebar mustache. Literally. So that's what he was doing at that point. So, I mean, it was a different era,
Starting point is 00:06:26 different thing completely. It was just guys, they were seven days a week traveling, driving from shit town to shit town in their cars and, you know, drinking and doing cocaine. It's a circus, essentially. It's basically the circus. They're the wrestling renaissance fair.
Starting point is 00:06:40 Yes. And so, you know, Jimmy Snuka then, he went to Texas after the Pacific Northwest, went down in Texas. I'm not sure which promotion he worked for because there was a Blanchards in western Texas. Tully Blanchards' dad had a territory there. And then Fritz Von Erich had world class in the Dallas area. I'm not sure exactly which one he was in. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:59 But he hung around there for a while. Then he went to Mid-Atlantic. And that's kind of like a major league type of thing. Like there's wwf mid-atlantic was jim crockett promotions which was a kind of the main hub of the nwa which was national wrestling alliance which was the main kind of body of wrestling you they were like the wwe of their day they were like an association that kind of made all the territories loosely tied together they would have the nwa champion who then would go around to all the territories loosely tied together interesting they would have the nwa champion who then would go around all the territories and defend his belt right so it was kind of a big partnership of of promoters basically for real yeah it was a big partnership
Starting point is 00:07:33 so he went there it wasn't real no no no no you know this is as fake as it gets but it was for real it was a legit business that they were yeah but it was small it was a racket right it was a racket they were like a giant giant mafia syndicate, basically. That's a good word for it. That's the best way to put it. Fucking racket. So he goes to the Mid-Atlantic. He's tagging with Paul Orndorff, if you remember Mr. Wonderful from the 80s and 90s.
Starting point is 00:07:55 I love Paul Orndorff because he seems like a mean little shit. They won the tag titles in 79. They beat Baron Von Raschke and Greg the Hammer Valentine, another guy. If you know anything about 80s wrestling, Greg the Hammer Valentine is a beast and just a hilarious guy. Beat Ricky Steamboat. You remember Ricky the Dragon Steamboat?
Starting point is 00:08:14 That sounds familiar. In 79 for the US title down there. So, you know, things are going well for Jimmy. He went down to Georgia. Terry Gordy teamed with him. They won the National, the NWA National Tag Belt.
Starting point is 00:08:28 So Ted DiBiase was involved in that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they beat Ted DiBiase. Ted now, if you don't know, is a preacher. Oh, yeah. How fucking weird is that? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:36 He is. So strange. I don't know how because he's done so much cocaine. Yeah. Mountains of cocaine. He is a traveling preacher now. That's awesome. Anyway. He is a traveling preacher now. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Anyway. He is. So, I mean, he goes there. Then, finally, 1982. I'm breezing past all this. I mean, I'm not going to get into every, you know, all of his wrestling accomplishments. Sure. Because we're going to, you know, I've got to breeze through, get into the crime. After all, crime before sports.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Crime in sports. Not sports and crime. Yes, exactly. So, I'll breeze past. Chronologicallyologically I'm going to hit up the wrestling I don't want to piss off the wrestling people give you a brief synopsis of the history of this man he was fantastic this is his rise to fame
Starting point is 00:09:14 which kind of leads to the inflation of his ego and the fact that he can get away with anything you be the superstar in really anything and the fact that he can get away with anything. Sure. So finally... Yeah, I mean, you'd be the superstar in really anything. And the spotlight's on you, no matter if it's a small-time racket or MLB baseball.
Starting point is 00:09:34 You still have this arrogance about you that you feel like you can just get away with absolutely everything. Thousands of people coming to cheer for you. We're not going to let it happen. No, we're not. We're not going to let it happen. No, we're not. We're not going to let you get away with that. Jimmy, it's time to pay the piper.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Absolutely. And not rowdy, rowdy piper. Well done. Thank you, thank you. Piper comes into this later too. I can't wait. Not into the crime. Piper had nothing to do with it
Starting point is 00:09:59 that I know of. I don't know if anything could happen. So he finally goes to WWF in 1982, which is the WWE now. I'll refer to it as the WWF during this period because finally goes to WWF in 1982, which is the WWE now. I'll refer to it as the WWF during this period because it was the WWF. That's what's in the tax forms. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:10:13 He's managed by Captain Lou Albano, who, if you remember him, he was the guy in the Cyndi Lauper videos in the 80s. Face piercing. Face piercing with rubber bands hanging out of it. He was the girl... Not girls just want to have fun, the other one. The Goonies song. He was in that video.
Starting point is 00:10:30 I don't know what it's called. He was in all Cyndi Lauper shit, basically. And yeah, he was a character among characters. Loud mouth. Loud mouth, crazy son of a bitch. So he's in there. It's 1982 1982 goes by. Snooker is a giant hit in New York.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Of course. WWF is New York based back then. They ran like New York, Pennsylvania, down to Maryland, Baltimore, the whole northeast area. Snooker was a giant hit. Absolutely. People loved this guy. Because nobody, back then, wrestlers didn't fly around like they do now it was two guys that i said it before i'll say it again that looked like somebody's uncle that worked at like a foundry
Starting point is 00:11:12 basically just front face locking each other for 25 minutes on the ground you know that was a that was wrestling back then so i mean and then jimmy snooker comes in he looks like a million bucks he's cut he's ripped he's coming off the top rope and with flair. He's not just going to leaping down. He's not just diving in. He's going up and in. He's soaring across the ring. People are into this.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Spread eagle with the splash. Plus, he's got an odd charisma about him also. He doesn't speak much because he doesn't speak well. He's not from America. His English isn't fantastic. He speaks slowly. Mainland America. Mainland America. But not from America. His English isn't fantastic. He speaks slowly. Mainland America. Mainland America.
Starting point is 00:11:47 But not from America. At this point, he's a bad guy. He's a heel at this point. I don't know how they could make this guy a bad guy. But somehow people would boo him. But I think eventually they liked him and they had to turn him into a good guy. So anyway, he's progressing. Things are going well.
Starting point is 00:12:03 1983 rolls around. He's dating a girl this is when it gets interesting now this is fun this is when it happens he is dating a girl named
Starting point is 00:12:10 now her name is different in everything I've seen literally everything I've seen I've seen Argentino I've seen Argento I've seen Argenta
Starting point is 00:12:20 I've seen I've heard her called Valentino which I don't know where the fuck that came from so we're gonna call her she's like running from the law yes we're gonna call her Argento I like it for now just because if that's not her name I apologize but literally this is 14 different sources they're
Starting point is 00:12:35 all different I have no idea so anyway Nancy Argento she is 23 years old at the time uh Jimmy is married with four children yes uh he has a wife at home while he's going around every night on tour so he's got his road woman here i guess his road gash his road gash for a really good way to put it um so they have fun together they have a good time they're having a blast um there was some red flags for Nancy right away. There should be. Some red flags for Nancy. He's married and has four kids, number one. That's one. That wasn't the one that registered for her, though. That should have been a thing.
Starting point is 00:13:14 She didn't take it as that, though. So Nancy had apparently started receiving some phone calls from Jimmy Snuka's ex-girlfriend saying, hey, look, you don't want to be with this guy. Warning, warning, warning. One said, he broke my ribs.
Starting point is 00:13:29 He likes to choke me up against walls. And she had heard from other women he dated that was a thing. He's a little rough. Now, he's also jacked to the gills on roids. He is just steroided out. Absolutely. And he admits later on in his book
Starting point is 00:13:44 that he did basically any powder, pill, injection, anything you put in front of him, he'd just stick it in himself. He's a cream of the clear. He's jamming it up his ass. He wants all of it. That includes cocaine, painkillers, anything he can get his hands on, just ingesting it. He's just an open sewer at this point. So, you know, yeah, Nancy's getting all these phone calls.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Nancy's family hates him, begs her to break up with him. She has a younger sister who claims that when he was over the family house, he threatened to kick her and choke her and said that no one would know. I will kick and choke you. Nobody will know. He said, I could kick and choke you and no one would know about it. And so that freaked out the little sister of course do you dump a guy
Starting point is 00:14:26 for physically threatening your younger sister apparently not so that's fine because I mean honestly let's look at it too
Starting point is 00:14:32 there were drug people and it's one of those things they're partying and she's like this is a rich guy with a ton of cocaine
Starting point is 00:14:40 he says crazy shit when he's all coked out of course he's going to tell you he chokes and kicks you we travel around
Starting point is 00:14:44 we do a lot of cocaine sometimes you get kicked and punched I don't know choked out. Of course he's going to tell you he chokes and kicks you. We travel around. We do a lot of cocaine. Sometimes you get kicked and punched. I don't know. Choked against a wall. What are you going to do? So, yeah. So, anyway, there's an incident here.
Starting point is 00:14:57 In 1983, it starts in January. All right. This is, she's still alive after this incident, luckily. This is January 17th, 1983 uh there's an incident at the howard johnson hotel motel actually yeah of course in salina new york front yeah there's an m in front of there salina new york is up by syracuse it's way up in western upstate right you know eight feet of snow new york it's shithole new york it's not it's not big buildings and and concrete no it's horrible i've been there yeah i'm from new york it's not good up. It's not big buildings and concrete. No. It's horrible.
Starting point is 00:15:25 I've been there. I'm from New York. It's not good up there. It's not good. I mean, I'm sure if you like, but I'm not going to. It's not the shit that everybody sings about. No, it's not good.
Starting point is 00:15:34 No, it's not Billy Joel's song. Frank Sinatra's never been up there. Apparently, there was an arrest at this Howard Johnson's. The police were called by the hotel manager
Starting point is 00:15:45 who heard Nancy apparently screaming for her life in a room up there. Which she would be. Yeah, screaming for her life. The coked out Jimmy Fly chasing her around her room. So the cops came, police arrived on the scene, and Jimmy did not go down easily. No, I can't imagine he would.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Jimmy is a tough guy. I mean, wrestler not these guys back now the guys are kind of like models a little bit with like you know whatever that's kind of cosmetic it's a giant puppet that they just tell what to do these guys wasn't like that yeah these guys could fight had to like defend them they'd go out in bars people go oh you phony son of a bitch and back then it wasn't out that it was fake he had to kick that guy's ass now he has to tell him it's not phony he has to show you he has to go home that guy who says that has to go home to all his friends and say that wrestling ain't fake look
Starting point is 00:16:35 what that guy did to me he broke my orbital socket i can't speak straight now that's what they're looking for so their words are not in my vocabulary anymore yeah different type of thing these were tough guys. Apparently, the police arrived, and Jimmy, not going down without a fight, decided to fight nine police officers. Nine. And two police dogs, also. Because, you know, he's not... This is the shit that would be on TMZ.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Oh, God. There'd be footage of this. This would be front page news. It would be huge. And every person in America wants to see that happen. I want to see The Rock fight nine cops and two dogs. I would love to see that. That'd be amazing.
Starting point is 00:17:11 I would watch that show. Imagine seeing the footage, just even if it's black and white, grainy from the corner security footage, of Jimmy Snuka fighting nine armed men and two trained attack dogs. And two German Shepherds. Yeah. Holy shit. Absolutely. That's way better
Starting point is 00:17:27 than WrestleMania. I'll watch that through the night vision goggles that Paris Hilton shot a porno with. I'll watch that all day long. All day long. In slow-mo.
Starting point is 00:17:34 I can't wait. And something tells me, too, that that fight goes a lot longer with him than it would with The Rock. Oh, yeah, yeah. This guy's an animal. This is a brawler.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Yeah, he's a brawler and he's tough and also too he's an island guy he's from the fiji islands these guys in wrestling are known as like you don't fuck with the island guys they will mess you up there's a guy named haku that now in this research i came across countless stories of all this there's a guy named haku i don't know if you remember him haku was meng in wcw later on remember Meng. He's a big scary guy. He is a Tongan. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:10 And this guy, there's two different incidents. One where he bit a man's nose off in a bar. Clean off. That's fucking great. Grabbed him by the face. And there's another one where this happened like three, four times where he just liked to pop people's eyeballs out. What the fuck? He would get in a fight and just with his finger pop your eyeball out.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Just stick it behind your eyeball and yank it out. Pop it out. Unbelievable. This is the kind of people we're dealing with here. These are tough, coked out,
Starting point is 00:18:31 drinking, roided up, island people. It's tough. You put somebody that actually thinks of that as like a finishing move or even a move in a fight at all.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Pulling your eyeball out and then put cocaine inside. And then put cocaine and steroids. Get them jacked up and strong. You want them strong for that. So Snuka, that wasn't Snuka. That was a different guy. But Snuka, I mean, I don't know what the hell happened in the hotel if he was superfly splashing her off the top rope or whatever.
Starting point is 00:18:59 It was interesting. So there's reports here. Nine cops and two dogs. And this is pre-taser. This is pre-taser. This is pre-taser. Yeah, I don't know. He would have got shot immediately now. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Done. Holy shit. They were going to negotiate with him. Plus, it was Superfly Snooker. Right. They knew who he was. We know who you are. You don't want to be the guy that shot Superfly Snooker.
Starting point is 00:19:15 He's supposed to fight Bob Backlund tomorrow. I have tickets. What the fuck? You know, this is what happens. Where was this at? What city? Salina, New York. It's by Syracuse.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Okay, so it's up there. It's up there. So, yeah, not a lot going on, too. It's super fly. There's nothing happening up there, especially in the 80s. Everybody in town can hear it going on, too. Probably. There's nothing going on that night.
Starting point is 00:19:33 They know what... Reports are... There's reports there. She had, I guess, contacted her sister later on and said that he dragged her through her hair, by her hair, naked through the hotel, which that's a nice thing to do um i'll jerk off to that footage i love it yeah uh there's a report in the herald journal
Starting point is 00:19:53 in syracuse new york uh a couple days later that you know dealt with some of the police reports and talked to the cops and they said that the whole thing happened because, according to him, she was ignoring him when he was trying to tell her, quote, the truth about God. So I don't know. I want him to tell me the truth. I don't. I don't want to know the truth. Apparently the truth ends up having you dragged by your hair through a hotel. Naked.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Naked. So God apparently wants you. That is the truth about God. God loves you. Come here, give me that hair. Drag you through the... Get your clothes off. We got people to show your beef to. This is great.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Oh my God. So this ended up resulting in him pleading guilty to violent felony assault with intent to cause injury. And unwilling preaching. And unwilling preaching. And unwilling preaching. Preaching to an unwilling participant. He was granted a conditional discharge on the counts of third-degree assault and harassment
Starting point is 00:20:54 and obstruction of a government official. Okay. And he did all this by donating $1,500 to a deputy sheriff's survivor fund. And then it all goes away? It all goes away. Wowza. So back then, you could beat the shit out of your girlfriend,
Starting point is 00:21:14 drag her naked by the hair through a motel, fight nine cops and two police dogs, and drop $1,500 to a cop charity. And go on your way. Top rope is that way, pal. Don't worry about it. Show us the splash. Holy fucking shit.
Starting point is 00:21:31 That's fantastic. So this goes and they're fine now. I mean, he goes about his business. He's got matches the next night. No worries. He's doing his thing. Let's see here. He's doing his thing here. And before here. He's doing his thing here.
Starting point is 00:21:45 And before we come, now in May is the incident. Nancy passes away through some shady means in May. The only people that know the story are him and God. And his God. The one that knows the truth. Yeah, I don't know. His tiki God or whatever. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:03 That's pretty bad. Yeah, so he's beating this woman. This is the other thing I don't know his tiki gut or whatever right i don't know that's pretty bad yes so he uh so he's beating this one this is the other thing i don't get okay he's married he has four kids he's got this woman on the side which you know people do that all the time that's fine uh i guess if that's what you want to do right but he's beating this woman right and also he beat his wife too right there's a lot of charges of that. So it's not enough. You have a woman to beat at home, first of all, if you're going to beat somebody, you horrible asshole. Second of all, if she's doing something so horrible
Starting point is 00:22:34 that you have to beat her and you can't stand her that much, you're not tied to this woman. Leave. Get rid of her. She's your road girl. Right. To road gash. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:42 To road gash. You've got plenty of cops on the road you can be who cares what are you doing asshole instead you're like i'm gonna fucking beat this lady up leave this poor lady alone send her somewhere else what makes her stick around that's so crazy yeah i guess cocaine i guess it was a famous guy yeah charisma i don't know if he's good looking or not but i mean he was muscly yeah chicks are into that 80s chicks i think were a lot of hell of a specimen of of human creation creation to be as big as he was he was but to put up with that kind of shit the the he must have been a sweetheart outside of these fucking bouts amazing he had to be amazing he was his wrestling figure was shitty though i'm gonna be honest i
Starting point is 00:23:21 had his wrestling finger no good here's why okay bad pose right anybody who had the jimmy snooker wrestling figure will know this his pose was like he was making a muscle with one hand like put your arm up put your like you know your your fist by your head like you're making a muscle flexing your bicep that's not a fighting pose and his other one was on his like near his head no like he was gonna there's no i mean you can't even use that guy you can't fight nine police you can't even drag a woman by her hair with that pose. It's awful. There's no fighting going on at all with that.
Starting point is 00:23:50 You can't do coke like that. No. And he had a big smile on his face. Like, why is he smiling? What the hell's going on? I want him to be tough. So anyway, yeah, he was useless there. Yeah, not good.
Starting point is 00:24:00 So anyway, we come to... They travel around. They do their thing. And then we come to May 11th, 1983. Okay. Well, actually, May 10th is when this all occurred. On May 11th is when Nancy succumbed to her injuries. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:24:14 We're in Allentown, Pennsylvania, outside of Allentown, Pennsylvania. There was a show at the Lehigh County Fairgrounds or something like that, I believe. It's Lehigh, Pennsylvania is where this is occurring. Gotcha. Allentown is where WWF at the time did TV tapings once every three weeks. That was a very common area for these guys to be in. So they are at the George Washington Motor Lodge, room 427 in Whitehall, Pennsylvania. Sounds really nice.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Yes, it is. So on that evening, the 10th of May, apparently Jimmy Superfly Snooker gets back to the hotel where he had Nancy waiting for him after a night of wrestling. And he was not done wrestling. Apparently, according to Jimmy, he found her unresponsive when he came in. There was a yellow liquid coming from her mouth. Unresponsive, labored breathing. He called 911.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Ambulance came. Now, here's the thing. Here is where it gets shifty, okay? Yes. They take her, obviously, to the hospital. Now, another wrestler named Don Morocco comes into the picture at this. And I... Guys, I dug so deep.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Like, seriously. I illegally downloaded... I illegally downloaded interviews with ex-professional wrestlers. Like, I was... Four o'clock in the morning, I'm sitting here watching a 60-year-old fat guy tell me about what happened in upstate New York 30 years ago after he wrestled another fucking guy.
Starting point is 00:25:49 It's ridiculous. So Don Morocco comes into the picture here. Don Morocco actually had... Don Morocco is another wrestler and knows Jimmy Superfly Snooker very well. He's a Hawaiian also. Oh, is that right? The island guys have their own kind of clique. He knows Jimmy very well.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Anyway, Morocco gets called to the hospital earlier that evening because a wrestler named Eddie Gilbert, wrestling fans will know who Eddie Gilbert is, big wrestling family, his dad is a wrestler, father a wrestler, father a wrestler, brothers wrestlers. He was kind of a big deal, Eddie Gilbert, hot stuff Eddie Gilbert, if you remember him. He was in a car accident and broke his neck that night. He drove in with semi from behind and got hitched onto it, and the guy dragged him for a mile.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Had no idea he was back there. Didn't notice until he saw that the back of his truck was on fire. Wow. Eddie Gilbert had a broken neck. Jane Mansfield. Absolutely. So Don Morocco is called, because he's very close to Eddie Gilbert, he's called to the hospital.
Starting point is 00:26:44 He goes to the hospital sees eddie gilbert sees next to him in the emergency room is nancy right jimmy's girlfriend not looking good what happened to you nancy not she's not in talking so he's like what the hell's up with that right he knows jimmy's a bit of a loon he's like oh shit what happened here he goes back to the hotel. Police have arrived at this point. And it's homicide detectives. Sure. They're not fucking around anymore. Absolutely. This isn't some uniformed guys and their police dogs.
Starting point is 00:27:11 This is homicide detectives. These are business suits with a badge on the hip. Not good. So apparently Morocco had alerted Vince McMahon to this. He had told Vince McMahon about Eddie Gilbert's broken neck. And he also said, oh, by the way, think Jimmy Snuka's girlfriend's dead in the hospital next to this. He had told Vince McMahon about Eddie Gilbert's broken neck. And he also said, oh, by the way, think Jimmy Snuka's girlfriend's dead in the hospital next to him. Don't know if maybe that's a thing. You might want to check into that. So Vince hops in a car. He is there, man. Vince McMahon on the scene. And like I said, this is not Vince McMahon's
Starting point is 00:27:39 CEO billionaire. No. All muscly. No. This is Vince McMahon running like a shady city to city racket mafia type organization. He's like a dirty live promoter at this point. Keeping this shit out of the public eye. He's not a television producer at this point. He's just like, hey, let's gather
Starting point is 00:28:00 2,000 people. It's a different thing. So anyway, Vince McMahon shows up. He's trying to take care of it. He apparently tells Snooker, hey, and this is the same thing that happened in the first incident earlier in January. Right. With the hair pulling and the police dogs.
Starting point is 00:28:14 He told Jimmy, clam up. You don't understand shit. You don't know shit. Right. You play that native thing. You fucking let me do the talking. I jump off cliffs and get changed from the bottom. That's me.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Yeah. So, I mean, they bring him in. fucking let me do the talking i i jump off cliffs and get changed from the bottom that's me yeah so i mean they bring him in now don morocco this other rest of the magnificent morocco he jumps in the car with jimmy this is how what a different time this was too they drove to hamburg which is where the police station was they let jimmy ride with morocco in the car behind them the cops drove ahead follow us and they're with us for some questions and morocco said they're drinking ride with Morocco in the car behind them. The cops drove ahead. Follow us. Come with us for some questioning. And Morocco said they're drinking beers back there. So they're like, fuck it.
Starting point is 00:28:50 It's 8 in the morning. They don't care. They're not traffic cops. I got a dead bitch in a hotel. I should be guzzling this shit. I'm guzzling some beers. So, I mean, they were immediately suspicious of all this. The coroner was very suspicious sure this woman
Starting point is 00:29:08 apparently did the autopsy she had i think it was 39 cuts bruises abrasions all over the place they said in very in ways that very much looked like you know abuse beating beating yeah little cuts abrasions hands neck face things like that that you don't just get by accident. Very suspicious. Apparently the coroner told the DA that also, that I would investigate this to the fullest. This is not, this is a suspicious death. She came in looking like Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction after a beating. After a beating, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:40 So not good. But the investigators, I don't know what Vince McMahon had over them. I mean, I get that it's a small town. I don't understand it. But Vince McMahon acted as his mouthpiece. Snooker said he did not want an attorney. Vince was fine. Vince smoothed it all over.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Vince is fine. Vince will do. Vince will do. I don't need somebody trained in law. Yeah. Just give me that guy that finances me. I don't know how much he donated to the deputy sheriff survivor fund, but apparently a shitload. No lawyer, please.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Just that guy. What? I mean, this is all going on. Jimmy's being questioned for murder. He's got a wife and four kids in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Like, hey, Jim, daddy's jumping off the top rope tonight. So that's a fucking problem. Jimmy, he's had four kids, married three times.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Jimmy, this is his second wife he was on now. He's got another one now that he married in 04 that's long-suffering with this whole thing. Oh, boy. So, yeah, he ends up doing that. They end up letting him go on this somehow. He's got to wrestle. It's a dead girl. We don't have enough information.
Starting point is 00:30:44 on this somehow he's got right he's got to wrestle and it's a dead girl we don't have enough information and i can't stress to you how much this affects vince mcmahon monetarily if right if jimmy snooker's not there he's right if your star isn't there you have nothing he's a big business right yeah that's he at this point he's like the john cena of what they are now exactly they had their champ bob backland butund, but Snuka was the guy. That's him. This is pre-Hulk Hogan, pre-Roddy Piper. Right. Pre-everybody.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Snuka was making this guy money. Absolutely. So he is seeing if they, so who knows what McBand could have bribed them if that's what happened. Right. With, because it would, whatever the amount is, it was worth it to him. It affects him forever. It affects him forever. Just one card with 20,000 people in Madison Square Garden, I don't know how much money
Starting point is 00:31:26 they make off that, but one night of that is worth it. It's plenty, yeah. So, I mean, so that's a mess. His claim, Snooka's claim was that they were, quote, messing around outside the hotel room and an inadvertent push from messing around caused her to fall and hit her head. She slipped on ice or some shit outside, right? And she slipped possibly an ice slip. Because it was cold in upstate New York.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Yes. She falls and hits her head. And he put her in bed or some shit? Yeah, he said he just put her in bed. He went to work. Right. And the coroner says, too, I mean, this was she, he waited between 12 and 24 hours after the blow to the head to call the cops yeah and it was a it was a trauma blunt force to the head is what ended up happening um
Starting point is 00:32:12 so i mean it was a disaster basically uh the the funny thing is to morocco when the cops arrived they morocco played his interpreter like acted like he didn't know what they were saying. He was telling him, and then Snooka was acting like, oh, okay. Snooka spoke English just fine. Yeah, perfectly. I mean, he wasn't Lawrence Olivier or anything, but he spoke English. But he's using fucking Morocco as a... He spoke better English than any hotel mate I've ever seen. That may be his most brilliant move
Starting point is 00:32:45 it's just to act like he doesn't know it's a new one so and this is a good this is a quote from that the district attorney uh told the press about vince mcmahon when they were in the interview room uh you know he i guess they're trying to guilt vince mcmahon into something and vince's quote was quote if you think i'm going to be hurt by the revelation that one of my wrestlers is really a violent individual, you're mistaken. There's multiple meanings there. Like, I know these guys are fucking crazy. I load them with steroids and cocaine and send them out there. And pay them. I'd see them daily. I know what these men are capable of. And yeah, that's no surprise to me. Either that or he's's on the other hand he's also thinking not the worst thing for business if people think these guys are really tough i mean that was the thing back then too a lot of these promoters used to tell their
Starting point is 00:33:33 guys hey you got to go out and you know fuck somebody up in a bar you got to do it do what you got to do because yourself make sure that they go home saying wrestling isn't fake basically was how they did it which is insane but so uh yeah the lehigh county coroner's uh name was wayne snyder and he said upon viewing the body i immediately suspected foul play and notified the da good call so i mean he was he was on top of this the one smart person in this whole situation so far absolutely absolutely so yeah the cops are there she's dead. This is bad. And the whole thing just kind of blows over.
Starting point is 00:34:08 That's amazing. You can... She's dead. Whether he killed her or not at this point, it's suspicious. It's shady. She's dead. He's famous. They've just got no proof so far.
Starting point is 00:34:18 He's moving on to the next town. He's moving on to the next town. He's going to superfly splash somebody the next night. And that's it. That's it for the thing. It goes away. Unbelievable. Imagine now the fervor this would cause.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Oh, my God. It'd be insanity. Imagine, like you said, if John Cena kills a woman in a hotel room. A woman dies under shady circumstances. John Cena delivers a dead chick to a hospital. He's not on Raw the next week. No. No.
Starting point is 00:34:45 It's not happening. He's not on Raw. next week. No. No. It's not happening. He's not on Raw. Things are not. No. It's not going down like that at all. It's going to be a completely different thing. He's not in the next Amy Schumer movie. He's doing nothing.
Starting point is 00:34:52 He's going to be in a jail cell until we sort this shit out. Or at least sitting in a trailer in North Carolina somewhere awaiting trial or something. Meanwhile, Jimmy Superfly is running out to Pontiac, Michigan or some shit. Meanwhile, Snooker, after this, this is when things take off for him. This is when he blows up. This is when he turns from a bad guy to a good guy. He's now a baby face. Things go crazy for him.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Before this, he was feuding with Backlund for the title. Backlund was the heavyweight champ. Backlund was a good guy. He looked like Howdy Doody. Yeah. That was the whole thing. This was actually in 1982. He did the first superfly splash off the top of the steel cage.
Starting point is 00:35:33 All right. Tried to do that on Backlund. Missed it. Backlund won the match, whatever. But then, after he becomes a good guy, he feuds with the aforementioned Don Morocco, who was his interpreter at the hotel. He's feuding with Don Morocco, and they have a giant feud. I mean, this was the hottest feud in wrestling back then. And then the most famous thing happens that we have to mention
Starting point is 00:35:54 it. It's the snooker off the top of the steel cage and actually hitting Morocco. It was the biggest thing in the world back then. Nobody had done it. I mean, maybe they did somewhere in Japan or something, but not in the states nobody had seen it and this is in madison square garden it's a famous story that like mcfoley and all these guys there's a bunch of uh future wrestlers in the crowd to see this whole thing it's a big deal that was in october of 83 that happened so he's really going crazy his wrestling figure comes out i mean there's, there's a cartoon. This is when wrestling goes from smoky rooms to there's
Starting point is 00:36:29 literally a Saturday morning cartoon. To big things. To huge stages in every major market. Lunchboxes. Action figures. You name it. Ice cream bars. Literally ice cream bars with a picture of them on it. Everything you could imagine with that
Starting point is 00:36:45 marketing went insane and this is also Vince McMahon takes this from a regional thing to a national thing at this point and these guys that he is with, the Snookas, the Pipers the Hogans, the Iron Sheiks these guys become celebrities not just niche guys
Starting point is 00:37:01 your grandmother knew who Jimmy Superfly Snooka was that's the thing this is not niche guys. Your grandmother knew who Jimmy Superfly Snuka was. That's the thing. This is not like some little, your grandmother knew who this person was. You could just find a guy on the street, you go, name three wrestlers, Superfly Snuka would be one. Right. He was super famous. And they'll rattle off five. They'll rattle off five.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Yeah, exactly. Superfly's one of them. There's an incident. He feuds with Rowdy Roddy Piper, who also recently passed away. I love Rowdy Roddy Piper. He was such a crazy... I would think you would love him because he's a little loud mouth. He's great.
Starting point is 00:37:33 I love the snake... What was it called? The Piper's Pit? Piper's Pit was my favorite goddamn thing. It's great. Because he was just that. He was a loud mouth jerk. And he started fights. And I loved it.
Starting point is 00:37:47 And this is what happened here. There's a feud with Jimmy Superfly Snook and Rowdy Piper started in Piper's pit. Piper's pit. Where, and this was, they both claimed to their last days that this was not planned. They were having a thing and they were supposed to start a little argument and start a feud. And this was all kind of improv back then. This was not a scripted thing like it is today right and piper had brought some things like to make fun of jimmy from the island or shit he's like you want a pineapple you want this you want that and he had like pineapples and bananas and he also had a coconut oh and he took this coconut and snooker had no idea this was coming
Starting point is 00:38:21 and he broke it into about a hundred pieces over snooker's head holy shit and he said he didn't doctor he didn't do anything he didn't expect it to break he just hit it and it exploded i hit him so hard and his head is so hard it blew up do you know i have hit those with ball peen hammers trying to open them and they will not open no he smashed that on a guy's fucking head snooker's. So this will come up later when the competency things come up in court. This is a possibility of why he might be telling the truth. Absolutely. So he's hitting the head with a coconut, and that was a big, giant feud, and that went on forever.
Starting point is 00:38:56 It's just that's a famous thing in Snooka's legacy. We have to mention it. Apparently, Piper, too, said he was scared shitless after he did it. I can imagine. Because he's like, I just kept throwing things at just kept because he didn't go down right because he kind of went down and he was getting back up and he's like he's gonna kill me when we get backstage still alert yeah he's gonna drag me by my hair naked through howard johnson i gotta get out of here and force preach to me and force i'm gonna tell you about god brother that is kind of how he talks not only with the access but he's
Starting point is 00:39:23 like let me tell you about god brother that's how he that's how he talks. Not only with the access, but he's like, I'm going to tell you about God, brother. That's how he talks. He gets deeper in drugs and into just apparently becomes unreliable at this point. Vince McMahon starts. And Vince McMahon wanted to make him one of his top three guys like he was. But he was too unreliable. He would miss shows. He wouldn't show up. He didn't know what the hell was going on with Snooker.
Starting point is 00:39:46 His cocaine was getting out of hand. Out of control. Cocaine, pills, booze. If you listen to the Iron Sheik talk ever anymore, he's fantastic to listen to, to listen to him rant. But around 85, 86 were the glory days for them of just being complete nudnicks, complete assholes. Yeah. Drinking beer after beer after beer and doing coke after coke after coke line. Like, they're just ingesting so much horrible poison.
Starting point is 00:40:12 And they were still living like they were, like, the small-time thing that nobody knew about. Right. Meanwhile, they were national television celebrities. They're not small-town, right. And they're driving around in cars doing lines off the dashboard and drinking beer. Key bumps in the backseat. Yeah, you couldn't have Michael J. Fox and Scott Baio in 1985 hanging around in a car doing that shit. Sitting in a DeLorean doing key bumps.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Yeah, but these guys, they were like, we're good. So things get crazy. They go on a Middle Eastern tour. Jimmy Snook is detained in the Middle East twice. First, you never want to get detained in the Middle East for anything, especially for drugs. And after it happened once, I'm not bringing drugs. How are you going to do it again?
Starting point is 00:40:51 This guy's like, got to have my cocaine, brother. I'll bring it with me. I don't learn. He's detained in Kuwait for having cocaine taped to his body. Actually, who got him out of trouble there was a combination of Vince McMahon and Rocky Johnson, who is The Rock's dad, Dwayne Johnson, because they were running partners. So Dwayne Johnson, his genetics are fueled by cocaine, apparently, because his dad was hanging out with Jimmy Superfly Snuka. He also got the same year, gets detained in Saudi Arabia for, guess what, cocaine again.
Starting point is 00:41:23 And probably steroids, who knows. But I know cocaine was the big deal. Steroids weren't really even an issue back then. If you get caught there with cocaine now, I imagine you're sentenced to years of hard labor and caning. You probably were then, too, unless somehow Vince McMahon... I don't know what kind of mafia boss this guy is.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Unbelievable. I mean, usually... I could see muscling the Salina, New York police department, but this is the Saudi royal family. He's bitch-slapping. You cane him, I could see muscling the Salina, New York police department, but this is the Saudi royal family. He's bitch slapping. You cane him, I'll cane you. I got a feeling that's what he said. Apparently so.
Starting point is 00:41:53 That's my guy that's making my money. Fuck with that, and I'll cane all of you. They relented. 1985, still, this was in 85, also in 85. This is when the Argentos, or Argentinos, whatever we call them, Argentos, the family of Nancy, bring a wrongful death suit against Snuka. Now, this is like the OJ civil trial. You can run from the law all you want, but you're not going to run from us.
Starting point is 00:42:18 You're going to pay us. You're going to pay me, basically. They get a default judgment against Snuka. $500,000 Snuka is supposed to pay them. That's brutal. What year was that? 85. me basically uh they get a default judgment against snooker uh 500 grand snooker is uh supposed to pay them brutal never paid 85 so that's a pretty decent money that's not bad uh he is uh he never paid a dime ah never paid a dime he's told the judge he was flat broke he owed the irs 75 grand in back taxes jesus and he didn't have a dime to his name. Now, at this point, too, in 85, he's doing well. He's been making big money the last couple years.
Starting point is 00:42:51 But he probably does owe the IRS 75 grand. Right. And also, too, he's making a lot of cash. This isn't now where it's a big corporate. They don't have any corporate pay. They might have thrown him $300 cash at the end of the night, and they could slip it to him and go, I only made $ 120, bro.
Starting point is 00:43:06 So it's a different thing. He's reporting his wages like a server. Pretty much, yeah. That's what it seems like. Basically, he continues with his wrestling career. This whole Nancy thing, don't worry, it is floating over his head and it'll come back in a minute.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Comes back big, too. He'll clean up his wrestling career. 85, 86, he leaves WWF he was in the first Wrestlemania he was the corner man for Hogan and Mr. T right
Starting point is 00:43:32 he was with them and the reason why Mr. T from what I'm one of the things they say is Snuka probably would have been in that match
Starting point is 00:43:40 if he wasn't a complete fucking disaster right if he wasn't a run strung out on coke of some sort. Wasn't an unreliable, lunatic coke head. They didn't expect him to even show up to be the corner man. Forget the tag team partner.
Starting point is 00:43:51 If he shows, he shows. You know what I mean? Basically, it was not. So he's a mess. WWE, he ends up leaving there. Leaves the WWF. Heads to Minneapolis for Ngani and the AWA. I mean, how he goes from that being this famous
Starting point is 00:44:05 and now he's in I mean Minnesota was still a you know it was a B to New York's A sure but it's Minnesota I mean you want to go
Starting point is 00:44:12 live in Minneapolis now not really he'd done it before especially for a Fijian guy sure that's three feet of snow where's the palm trees
Starting point is 00:44:19 right no cliffs to dive there any coconuts here I bet you anything there's women with hair there a lot that can be dragged through hotels keeps them warm so he goes back there looks to dive there my friend. There's coconuts here. I bet you anything there's women with hair there though that can be dragged
Starting point is 00:44:25 through hotels. Keeps them warm. So he goes back there feuds with a guy named Colonel De Beers they had a big you know racist Colonel De Beers
Starting point is 00:44:33 like a South African this is how different wrestling was too. He was a South African separatist that was his character. Holy shit. He was a
Starting point is 00:44:40 he would say that I will not wrestle these mongrels and like these other people from other races. He represents the apartheid or some shit? That's what he said. Jesus. He would rail on apartheid.
Starting point is 00:44:52 This guy wasn't from South Africa. No. He was like a redneck from Alabama. He was like, you know, blah, blah, blah. It was ridiculous. So they have a whole feud. I remember this very specifically from being a kid. He'd give him a front pile driver, like a tombstone kind of thing, on the concrete.
Starting point is 00:45:11 And Snuka was out for like three months. That was a big deal. He probably had legal problems or some shit he had to deal with at that point. But I remember that as a kid being a big deal. He continues to wrestle. He goes back. Now here he's all around. He goes back and forth, WWE, out of WWE, going to indies, going to smaller places, goes to wrestle. He goes back. Now, here he's all around. He goes back and forth. WWE.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Out of WWE. Going to indies. Going to smaller places. Sure. Goes to Japan. Wrestles through the 90s. Now he's getting up there in age. Wrestles. He is one of the first ECW heavyweight champions.
Starting point is 00:45:38 If you know what ECW is, it was extreme championship wrestling in the mid-90s. Guys that would hit each other with chairs. Sure. Like, they started the whole chairs and spiked baseball bats and shit. And they were just bleeding every match. You got Sandman and Raven and New Jack and all those guys out of that whole breed of people. So that keeps going. He goes back to WCW, which was a major entity there for a while in the late 90s.
Starting point is 00:46:01 For a little bit. Does a couple appearances. He sticks around wrestling. Still. 2000s. For a little bit, does a couple appearances. He sticks around wrestling still. Jesus. In the 60s. He's working the indie circuit. I mean, he's working in front of 300 people at a county fair and inside a little building. It's just a completely different world than what he was used to.
Starting point is 00:46:19 He continued to wrestle all the way up. He was in WrestleMania in 2009. Oh, my God. 2009. He was born in 1943. So old. Yeah. He was in WrestleMania in 2009. Oh, my God. 2009. He was born in 1943. So old. Yeah. He was in WrestleMania 25.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Him and Ricky the Dragon, Steamboat and Rowdy Roddy Piper, they're all 100. Yeah. And I actually saw this, and Steamboat actually looked like, I wish I was in that great of shape when he's 65 years old. Guys younger than him are dropping dead, and he's trying to enter WrestleMania. He didn't do as much cocaine
Starting point is 00:46:45 as any of these guys. So, anyway, so Snuka has been involved in wrestling for there. They put him in the WWE Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Right. Now they make a big deal. He's a legend. His daughter wrestles in WWE also. I don't know if she does now but she did. I had no idea.
Starting point is 00:47:01 His daughter was in. He's like a legacy, basically. He writes a book. This is when things... Uh-oh. This is when things look like, hey, Jimmy's an elder statesman at this point. Beat the rap.
Starting point is 00:47:13 Then he writes a book. Right. And this is when shit takes a turn and Jimmy starts going off the rails again, or things go off the rails for him. His whole life. Superfly, the Jimmy Snuka story, just aptly titled, I guess.
Starting point is 00:47:27 I don't know what the hell else you'd call it. I think it was 2012-ish around there. Gotcha. It's 213 pages long, so his story... It's a lot.
Starting point is 00:47:36 It's a lot, I guess, yeah. For a guy that wrestles outside of, I'm here, now, next week, I'm there.
Starting point is 00:47:42 He's got stories. He couldn't speak English enough to explain the dead girl in his hotel room a minute ago now he's got 213 pages he's got 213 pages i mean it's weird uh and this is like everybody's behind this book the wwe i believe is the publisher i'm not sure but they usually publish their own if he was under contract that was part of the deal sure was to publish a book the foreword is by rowdy Brody Piper and Mick Foley oh so I mean you know it's it's a well respected thing and I he's got friends that'll
Starting point is 00:48:12 vouch for him and tell you to read his shit in this book he changes his story and this is where the problem was because the the investigators now the family the Argento family has been pushing for 30 years for him to be brought up on charges. Sure. They've never rested. They call the prosecutors constantly. You've got a daughter, you can imagine. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:48:34 This girl's dead. Clearly he had something to do with it. She didn't just beat herself up. And Vince McMahon just talked this guy out of it. Like, no, I don't think so. Let's go over it a little closer. That's another good point. The man's not a lawyer and he beat the rap anything that i get into i'm gonna be calling vince mcmahon vince mcmahon i'm telling you a traffic ticket yes speak to my
Starting point is 00:48:53 lawyer vince mcmahon speak to my lawyer vince mcmahon and his huge wallet right so i don't know so he's he's arrested uh he's arrested after he says in the book that he changed the story from we fooled around outside, we were messing around, inadvertent push, she fell, to the day before when we were driving into town, we stopped on the side of the road for a pee break. We stopped to pee on the side of the road, and it was icy, and she slipped and fell and hit her head.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Uh-oh. But he claimed she was okay to drive because he didn't have a license, so she drove. They went and picked up some food from a diner, went back to the hotel room. Everything was fine for a whole day. That's not even just, like, adding a little fat. No, that's completely changing it.
Starting point is 00:49:36 That's a completely different way that she fell. He said she was fine. They ate food. He went to wrestle, got back unresponsive. Holy shit, 911, yellow liquid. That's a big problem. That's a different story. And the prosecutor noticed this difference in the story.
Starting point is 00:49:52 The district attorney and the family, the Argento family noticed this. And they decide to file third degree murder charges against him. Because this, apparently they said this in addition to the forensic evidence, which was pretty heavily in favor of... Lots of bruising. Yeah, it was lots of bruising, abrasions. You'll just fall over pissing and get a bruise on your neck, hands, wrists, elbows, feet, knees, ass. Basically her whole body was covered in shit. Yeah, so she wasn't ejected from a windshield and rolled 20 times to get these wounds.
Starting point is 00:50:24 So anyway, they charged him with this. like ejected from a windshield and rolled 20 times to get these wounds so anyway she's she's they charge him with this um the prosecutor uh also is going to introduce evidence from to the two previous assaults the one incident at the hotel with the police dogs and also an incident with his wife where his wife sharon pretty good cops on him in 83 for roughing her up and so there's a history of violence with this guy. Exactly. This is, he,
Starting point is 00:50:46 despite what's on tape, this is, this is what he does. Basically. Um, they schedule, this was in 2015 in September, I believe September 1st of 2015.
Starting point is 00:50:56 They charge him September 2nd of 2015. WWE wipes him off the website completely. Pretends like he never existed all of a sudden now. This is what they do. Yeah. This is what they do. This is what they did with Hulk Hogan with the racial slur. That's right. With the N-word. That's right.
Starting point is 00:51:12 All of a sudden Hulk Hogan didn't exist. Now Jimmy Superfly Snooker doesn't exist. It's interesting. So they schedule jury selection. They decide there's enough. The grand jury indicts him. Wow him on June 17th of last year. Yeah, recommendations for charges based on medical and autopsy evidence. Snuka's numerous statements in autobiography and prior assaults.
Starting point is 00:51:37 That's what they quote. Basically, they say he repeatedly assaulted her and then let her die in a hotel room without getting her any medical treatment. He just said, eh, she'll be all right. The body kind of shows that. I get hit in the head all the time. What's the difference, right? So things are going bad for Smithy here. She wasn't even hit with a coconut.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Who gives a shit? I mean, he wrote his book. He's like a beloved legend. Next thing you know, uh-oh, it's back. Right. And he thought this had gone away, too. He thought it was over. Next thing you know, uh-oh, it's back.
Starting point is 00:52:03 And he thought this had gone away, too. He thought it was over. Every interview for his book, every quote in his book was like, one of his quotes is, I've been a bad boy trying to be good my whole life. I've been a bad boy trying to be a good man my whole life. And, you know, all that stuff's behind me now. Bad boy trying to be a good man. Trying to be a good man. That's a T-shirt, babe.
Starting point is 00:52:20 That's a T-shirt. That's great. I don't know who wrote that for him. Yeah, he didn't write that shit. No way. If he did, he. That's a t-shirt. That's great. I don't know who wrote that for him. Yeah, he didn't write that shit. No way. If he did, he speaks English very well. Very well. If that didn't roll out of Morocco's lips, I don't believe he doesn't speak English.
Starting point is 00:52:33 That's great. It's a fucking mess. Yeah, the autopsy determined she died from traumatic brain injury, had more than two dozen cuts and bruises, injuries consistent with being hit with a stationary object. They think maybe she fell and hit her head on something. Right. Or she was bashed with an object or whatever.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Thrown into something. But, yeah, the fact that he likes to push and shove and choke and do things like that, according to other women, shows maybe that's what it was. Kind of. We don't know. Yeah, yeah. And it's so funny, too, because in this trial, his current wife is 100% like she did not know. She'd married him in 2004. She had no idea what he did.
Starting point is 00:53:08 This was 20 years before that. She's completely oblivious to everything he's done. And, of course, she's supportive because this is coming out of her pocket the whole time. I mean, if your husband's up for a 30-year-old murder, you're like, fuck, he didn't do it just because it's easier. No way he did that. Yeah. She's been dead for 30 years. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:53:23 I have kids now. You know, she's saying. I got kids that need food need food yeah she's saying how gentle he is and all this and you know people are running from snook at this point um it doesn't look good for him um but all of a sudden all of a sudden in uh in january of 2016 they take a different angle, the defense team. Defense team says now he is not competent to stand trial. They say the last few months, coincidentally, right about when this trial started, he is now suffering from very, very bad dementia. He doesn't know where he is. He doesn't even know why he's charged. He doesn't remember the incident.
Starting point is 00:54:02 He doesn't remember Nancy. He doesn't know what happened. I feel like they saw will smith's concussion yeah i mean this is convenient and also too like it's again to me i don't know if it's true or not but i mean it's again to me his whole you know hey dumb it up buddy you know just let vince do the talk and i think that's kind of how he's was taught deal with things, basically. Right, that's his history. Cocaine problem? I'll tell Ed Vince to handle it. A woman's fucking nine attack dogs?
Starting point is 00:54:32 Let Vince handle it. So it's a disaster. Yeah, it's a mess. He's saying he's not competent, and the trial is actually now delayed because pending an investigation of his competency basically the defense attorney is saying um you know he's not competent to stand trial the prosecutor has been saying this is you know he's made his career in entertainment yeah
Starting point is 00:54:59 he's there's an exchange with the judge where he said uh you know he's made his career in entertainment kind of playing a character similar to this. Similar to this. And she said he's also made a career in head trauma. So let's look at it. Right, right. Because he has been hit in the head a whole lot. And he did get hit in the head a lot.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah, I mean, in Piper's Pit, he took a coconut. If you hit me... Just that one coconut would be enough to make me retarded forever. If you broke a coconut over my head... Forget it. That's it. Yeah. I wouldn't know the alphabet.
Starting point is 00:55:32 I would be drooling all day long forever. I would not remember killing a woman. So he doesn't know why he's arrested. He doesn't understand what the hell was going on. The district attorney said his mental health was taken into account and considered at grand jury so what are we doing? That was like six months ago.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Did he completely just melt away in six months? Just now? And that's what they're saying basically. That's the whole thing there. Weirdly,
Starting point is 00:55:55 since we told him he's being investigated for murder, can't remember shit. Can't remember a goddamn thing. So, and basically too,
Starting point is 00:56:02 like at this point, the family, Nancy's family is like they're like justice is finally being so i mean they're happy as shit they're out there ringing the bell absolutely and they're getting a little bit too uh enthusiastic about it apparently because there's a gag order on all participants oh for the judges a gag order on everybody they're gonna ruin it and they apparently they're gonna blow Yeah, they got in trouble recently for, I believe it was her sister,
Starting point is 00:56:28 posted 23 articles about the crime on Facebook. Holy shit. Violating gag order. And this was like the second time she's done it. Wow. Like, she just wants to...
Starting point is 00:56:37 She's not... She's just not having it. She's like, he killed her. Here's all the evidence. Fuck this. Let's say she wasn't an angel, your sister, but... Yeah, but she's... Yeah, she's still dead. killed her this is here's all the evidence fuck this let's say she wasn't an angel dear sister but yeah but she's she's yeah she's still dead but shut your goddamn mouth and let justice be
Starting point is 00:56:51 justice snook is out i mean he's a hundred thousand dollars bail wow ten percent of hundred grand i mean ten grand he's out on the street i mean who knows it's it's it's nuts man i mean the sister the one sister lorraine nancy's sister lorraine is the one that was saying she's testifying now that uh that she he she called that nancy called her frantic at 2 a.m after the howard johnson incident uh said he was snooker was drunk and coked up and sure grabbed her by the hair and dragged her through the place and she was scared of him and i guess these calls were common that you know know, oh, my God. I mean, Nancy sounded like, too, she was drunk.
Starting point is 00:57:29 Imagine you're at your home. You have, like, a husband and, like, a kid. And, like, you're relaxing and you're sleeping. You've got to be up at 730 to go to work in the morning. You're getting 3 a.m. calls from your sister going, Jimmy Superfly's nook is drunk. He's doing coke and he's just choking me and beating me. And it's a slurring, coked out Nancy. And she's a mess. Yeah, that's what I mean. She's a mess. Like's just choking me and beating me. And it's a slurring coked out Nancy. And she's a mess. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:57:46 She's a mess. Like, I did this and that. Then leave him or go to bed, dummy. Yeah, that's probably what the sister said. Oh, my God. But yeah, this was three months beforehand, right after that incident. She'd called the family and said, you know, I have to get away from him. How do I get away from him?
Starting point is 00:58:01 And they were like, I don't know. He's married and has four kids. Just leave. Send him home. But apparently uh all his wife apparently yeah apparently at that point the cocaine would get good to her and she'd go back so i just it's just so funny because imagine snook is in there i mean i imagine i'm trying to charm the cops too yeah like in the original arrest and you know like he's offering him like wrestling tickets he's like i can get you a foam finger brother you know what i mean we're on the second floor throw a quarter in the swimming pool
Starting point is 00:58:29 i'll bet i get it before it hits the bottom i bet i can do it i'll do it i'll do some parlor tricks for you guys jesus amazing amazing yeah so he said also too the funny part is is now he's saying he doesn't understand English also. Right. He wrote a fucking book. 231 pages. I've read. You're on TV speaking into a camera. I read 20 interviews with this guy where he has coherent point-to-point thoughts.
Starting point is 00:59:01 With fairly large words. Yeah, where you ask him a question. I mean, he sounds dumb. Right. But you ask him a question and he says, well, let me tell you, brother. And then he tells you an answer. You know what I mean? So it's like he actually. He can answer that shit.
Starting point is 00:59:12 He answers questions. He speaks English. I know things about wrestling. I don't know much about murders. That's the other thing. When you get dementia, do you forget whole languages? Do you just, I used to to speak english now i don't anymore is that what happens like i forgot my wife's name my kid's birthday and the entire language
Starting point is 00:59:31 of french is that what happened the fuck does that work oh my god uh also too jimmy did not have a good time too because i mean he's charged september 1st 2015 in october he's diagnosed with stomach cancer jesus jim Jimmy is now fighting stomach cancer, apparently fighting dementia. And the law. And most importantly, Jimmy is fighting a murder charge. And this isn't like involuntary manslaughter. This is murder.
Starting point is 00:59:57 This is murder. Third degree murder. It's a big deal. For a 72-year-old man, anything's a big deal for a 72-year-old man. I mean, I don't want any kind of tax problems and you're you will die in prison if you're 72 and have stomach cancer there is no prison if you don't have stomach cancer there is no top rope he's fucked
Starting point is 01:00:17 that would have been great how great would have been if the coroner's report said um uh her her wounds are consistent with a woman who has been hit with a top rope splash from a Fijian man. How amazing would that have been? It looks like somebody jumped off of a cliff and tried to pull a quarter out of her ass. Looks like a man jumped from a high surface. And just landed flat.
Starting point is 01:00:44 About the level of like a rope, like a top rope in like a wrestling ring, about that high. About four feet high. And then leapt into the air. Spread eagle. Spread eagle. A really hitter kid.
Starting point is 01:00:56 That's what it looks like. Really gave her everything he had. You know, anybody like that? Anybody that's like 6'4", about 280 pounds, something like that. 250 pounds, six foot guy, real muscular. I think I smell coconut oil.
Starting point is 01:01:10 There's coconut oil all over. All over. Maybe that's what the yellow liquid was going on in her nose. Coconut oil from Snooka's... That one hurt. Oh, boy. So Snooka, yeah, he's progressing now to this day. Snuka is still
Starting point is 01:01:25 going through this. They delayed, like I said, the trial was supposed, jury selection was supposed to start in March of this year and that's delayed now.
Starting point is 01:01:34 So we're waiting on Jimmy Snuka. So this is one where we couldn't say specifically this happened. I mean, we can never really know for sure,
Starting point is 01:01:43 but I mean, he wasn't convicted. This is all alleged. I'll bet you can never really know for sure, but I mean, he wasn't convicted. This is all alleged. I'll bet you he dies before this is all over. I bet you that's the goal. Yeah, you're probably right.
Starting point is 01:01:52 That's probably the goal. And we're never going to be able to do the follow-up episode of, hey guys, guess what? Jimmy Snuka was put in prison.
Starting point is 01:02:01 It's just going to be Jimmy died and now this is the one that we have to say allegedly for everything. Yeah. For everything. Out of all the wrestlers
Starting point is 01:02:08 that dropped dead at 51. This guy, the guy that murders somebody sticks around for way too long. The one guy with murder charges hanging over his head. I mean,
Starting point is 01:02:17 he would have probably, that's the guy he would have wanted to die at 51 because he wouldn't have to deal with these damn murder charges going on.
Starting point is 01:02:23 Yeah, Roddy Piper and The Ultimate Warrior are gone. So Jimmy, in closing, tons of cocaine, tons of... He's made quotes saying, if you gave me a powder or a pill and you said it would make me bigger or stronger,
Starting point is 01:02:38 I'd take it. He's like, I was too trusting. We should all be so lucky. And he was very... There's a lot of blaming... Not blaming, just saying he was so naive he was. And just so naive. Not necessarily blaming anybody more than it's just denying his culpability. He's like a violent Forrest Gump basically is what he is. He's just like, he's, I would have loved to see Tom Hanks come off the top rope on something by the way.
Starting point is 01:03:03 That would have been amazing. Have a nice day. Have a nice day. Have a nice day. So, yeah, Jimmy is in trouble at this point. He's a mess. So we'll keep you guys updated on whether Jimmy is ready to stand trial or he's competent to stand trial, the whole deal. My prediction is they're going to say he's not competent to stand trial.
Starting point is 01:03:22 If he fooled millions of wrestling fans for years and years, he's going to fool some psychiatrist. He's going to get a psychiatrist and a federal judge. Some court-appointed psychiatrist. He's just going to sit there and stare at him. Snooker had to look like he was not in his mind. He was just staring like he was crazy.
Starting point is 01:03:39 He's going to do that. I feel like Snooker's going to get off on us. That's sad. I didn't know whether to do this honestly guys we were kind of going back and forth on whether to do this because he wasn't convicted and we didn't know but you know what fuck him at this point it's pretty clear something happened something bad happened he at least you know what people have this um he fought two police dogs. Yeah. Think about that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:05 All you fucking dog lovers out there. I don't care if you care about Nancy or anything else. He's the Michael Vick of wrestling. He will fight police dogs. So fuck him. Okay? There. Nine cops and two dogs.
Starting point is 01:04:16 That's insanity. That's insanity. What would you... If someone attacked... If nine cops and two dogs want to restrict... I just give... I give up... One dog.
Starting point is 01:04:23 One dog. One cop. He's got a gun. I don't. I don't. One cop. One cop. He's got a gun. I don't. I don't. And he's a cop. He's got coke. I'm not going to fight him.
Starting point is 01:04:29 That's the other thing, too. He's probably got cocaine strapped to his body at this point like he did in Kuwait. Who knows what the fuck this guy's doing. So, Jimmy Superplace. Jimmy, you're a piece of shit. You're a piece of shit. Cheers to you. Salute.
Starting point is 01:04:42 Basically, that's that for this week. please follow us on twitter at crime and sports crime and sports at gmail.com is the email uh facebook.com backslash crime and sports is the facebook page get on there follow us next week we are going to we're deciding between two people next week if anybody has if you guys have an opinion on it, if we haven't already recorded it by then, please drop us a message. Tell us what you think. Quick message, sure. But we're looking at either an international
Starting point is 01:05:11 soccer player, a guy named Marlon King, who did some crazy shit. Who we said we were going to do this week. Yes. And we chose Jimmy because we'd just rather.
Starting point is 01:05:19 He's fun. I don't know. He was fun, and I'm still researching soccer because I know shit about it. Neither does Jimmy. So we need to get our soccer terminology down. I was like, I'll dive researching soccer because I know shit about it. Neither does Jimmy. So we need to get our soccer terminology down. I was like, I'll dive into wrestling first.
Starting point is 01:05:28 I know more about that. So we have Marlon King or... Or we're looking at a woman named Sally McNeil. She is fan-fucking-tastic. I think you guys might want Sally McNeil. She's a giant, crazy-looking weightlifter woman who killed her husband. I love her. And it's a fucking sordid mess of a tale. if anybody knows me i they know that i love crazy broads and this one is as crazy as it
Starting point is 01:05:50 gets she's she is crazy so uh we're gonna do one of those either way guys this is why we're trying to tell you whether it's superfly snooker or whether it's jason williams lawrence well whoever it is just trust us it's gonna be funny we'll make it funny. We'll make it interesting. If it's a world you don't know about, we'll take you through it in the least boring way possible. By the end of it, who knows? You might be into wrestling now. You might be into wrestling. People are going to be YouTubing Jimmy Superfly Snooka, MMSG, Morocco, The Splash.
Starting point is 01:06:21 They will be YouTubing that. And taking a coconut to the head in Piper's Pit. Do that too. YouTube that shit. I'm shit it's on youtube look at jimmy snooker and imagine you're a woman in a hotel room and this guy wants to tell you the truth about god and not just any woman nancy was not a big girl she was a small she was a tiny five foot six i believe she was a petite though yeah then she was a pretty girl very beautiful beautiful dark hahaired, olive-skinned woman. Sad. Picture that running from that monster. So, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:48 So, please, look that up. And you'll know how easily it would be for him to kill her. So, yeah, it wouldn't have taken a lot of intent to put it that way. Accidents could have definitely happened there. But, I mean, you shouldn't be accidentally tussling with a small woman when you're that size. So, anyway, yes. Thank you guys so much for listening. Join us again next week.
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