Crime in Sports - #8 - Love, Steroids, and Pistol Grip Shotguns - The Ballad of Sally McNeil

Episode Date: March 29, 2016

This week, we look at a female bodybuilder, who seems to have had more strength than self control. A lovely young flower, who beat up women who looked at her man, fought multiple police officers, smashed cars from a balcony, like some kind of deranged Juliet, and was deemed too violent for the U.S. Marines. Get pumped, and ready to have a posedown with Sally McNeil!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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you know, I don't want to invest any money with him, but I think maybe he'd be a good time for a weekend to chill with. Quick Vegas trip. Take some private flights on other people's credit cards. But tonight, totally different thing. This is a great thing, guys. And people are going to think

it's a weightlifter. It's a female weightlifter. People are going to go, I don't want to hear a female. Trust us. This is as good as anything. If you listen to Howard Stern show and like Nicole Bass, People are going to go, I don't want to hear a female. Trust us, okay? This is as good as anything. If you listen to Howard Stern show and like Nicole Bass, you're going to love Siling McNeil. I don't know anything about that, but this is amazing. This is incredible. She is a character, if nothing else.

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Yeah. It helps. Seeing those words, though, of people saying such sweet things, it really makes this worth it to investigate so deep on these fucking people. Thank you. Really. Yeah. It's really great.

We do go deep. And tonight we're going to go deep on a woman named. Thank you, really. It's really great. We do go deep, and tonight we're going to go deep on a woman named Sally McNeil. Killer Sally. Killer Sally, as she went by. Sally McNeil, as you'll find out, it gets really twisted. So let's get into Sally McNeil right away.

Now, there is not a lot on Sally's early life out there. That's too bad. It's wild, because when you're like, you know, page eight on a Google search, and you're still not finding it, you're going, okay, this might not exist anywhere. I was finding Sally McNeil's on Ancestry.com, and I'm like, I don't think she was born in 1793, so this isn't going to work out. It was very difficult. But we found, basically, Sally McNeil started out. She's from Allentown, Pennsylvania.

That we do know. Isn't that where Snooka killed What's-Her-Face? It's the same area. That's so funny. It's the same area. So this is producing some muscled up, steroid-ridden, psychotic people over here. So this did not happen in Allentown, though. So let's not blame Pennsylvania completely.

La Jolla is going to take a brunt of this from people. So anyway, Sally McNeil, she was married before she married Ray McNeil. She was married before that. She was married, and she was Sally Loudon at that point. Her maiden name is Dempsey. That's her first name, Sally Dempsey. Very fitting. So exactly, as she says later on.

She brings that up, actually. Does she? Yes, she does in a prison interview, which is a shocker. She's in prison. But we'll get to that, because that's even an adventure. It's amazing. So, yeah, she was married. She had two children.

Actually, she had three children, one of which she gave up for adoption for some reason. Not sure how that happened. Was that a third one or a second one? They don't say. Just say she had three children, one of which she gave up for adoption for some reason. Not sure how that happened. Was that her third one or second one? They don't say. Just say she had three. She kept two. The other one she cast out.

I don't know if she didn't like the color of her hair. She's such a lunatic. It would be awesome if it was her third kid and she's like, I just can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore. Take this fucking kid away from me. Hopefully it was a first kid, I guess. Maybe it was the middle kid. That'd be great, too.

Eliminate the middle child syndrome. Anything but the first would be amazing. Yeah, that'd be great. There's a story behind that. You know what I mean? She had a Shantina, a daughter in 1984, and then John in 1986. The one put up for adoption, which is funny. She can't choose on a name.

She's like Shannon or Christina. Fuck it, Shantina. Shantina, let's do it. Yeah, and she's white also, which is another... Incredibly white. Yeah, she's very white, Sally McNeil. Very Nordic. Not only is this one white,

she's a white woman. We haven't... We've had plenty of white guys, but this is our first woman. We're excited about this. She's divorced from her first husband. It was called Four Stormy Years, basically, and he has some quotes

that are going to come back that we'll get into later about her. This an interesting relationship she is a fiery one her relationships aren't like calm give and takes it's and and even with the abuse because the spoiler alert there's abuse with a jacked up righted up bodybuilder that she's married to later um but even with that abuse it's like it's not like OJ and Nicole Brown, where he was beating the crap out of her and she was crying for help on 9-1-1. And then they go to Aspen. These two were fighting.

Constantly. She was a fighter too, it seems like, based on all accounts. I mean, I don't know, nobody knows for sure, but based on all accounts. She throws punches too. These two fought. It was an uneven fight, as we'll get into also as we get into his size. But anyway, so she marries Ray McNeil in 1987. Ray McNeil is our unfortunate victim here.

He's a bodybuilder. They're both in the Marine Corps at the time together. They were stationed together in Okinawa. They lived off base together for a year, which in a minute I'll tell you all about that little... Do you have dimensions on Ray? Ray is 6'4", 260 pounds. Jesus. Ray is a monster

and you can see every last muscle vein. He is jacked like when Stewie on Family Guy went on Roids. That's what he looks like. Only black and 6'4". And he had, from what i understand and what people say and the bodybuilding world because i i went deep in bodybuilding website

message boards on this to see what the what the bodybuilders are saying is reading men's health i was reading index you have no idea how deep i got you this is insane so but yeah she uh they were they were uh he apparently wore a bad toupee was the thing so and it's it they said it looked like an al sharpton toupee at the time back in the day i don't know um so basically john king that's hilarious apparently the fighting started right away with ray and sally mcneil uh she says that ray beat her up on the third day of their marriage which is getting right out of the gate. I mean, that's...

Get done with the honeymoon. Yeah. Fucking round one. That's not a horse that starts on the back end. He's trying to go... Right out the gate. Wire to wire. He is a thoroughbred.

Apparently the warrant officer in the Marine Corps that was in charge of Sally told Ray that he shouldn't have married her, called her used goods. Oh, boy. And so in accordance, Ray beat her unmercifully. that was in charge of Sally, told Ray that he shouldn't have married her, called her used goods. Oh, boy. And so, in recordence, Ray beat her unmercifully because she dated two other guys

in the Marine Corps before they met. Not while they were together, before they met. So, at that point, it's an unmerciful beating, obviously. And they were already married at this point? That was third day of marriage. Oh, third day of marriage.

Third day of marriage. That's the honeymoon. Now he finds out that she's used goods and now he wants to fight her? That's the honeymoon. Jesus Christ. Third day of marriage. Oh, third day of marriage. Third day of marriage. That's the honeymoon. Now he finds out that she's used goods, and now he wants to fight her? That's the honeymoon. Jesus Christ. Third day of marriage. But I guess if there's a warrant officer on your honeymoon, it's not exactly a honeymoon. You're still in Hawaii, for Pete's sake.

You're still in the Marines. They lived off base in Okinawa for a year together. She claims this was the worst time. Claims over 52 beatings. Wow. The way she puts it while in Okinawa. Once a week. Once a week.

I think that's an estimate. Yeah, yeah. One time because he wanted her to write down a list of men she'd been with and she refused, so he choked her a lot. So much that she had spasms at one point. That's not information you want anyway, man. Why are you beating that out of her? Yeah, you don't want that to begin with.

You don't want that information anyhow. And he's going to do it forcefully? Jesus Christ. She ran away from him, hid in the bushes in a sports bra and shorts. And she said there's poisonous snakes in Okinawa out there, but she was more scared of Ray at the time. Ray then told her that he was on steroids because he was on a lot of steroids surprise like a fucking ton of steroids like this guy makes snooker

look like an amateur with the steroids this guy when he died he was a top 20 in his weight class bodybuilder wow in the country in the world in the country in something he's a fucking enormous guy everything that happens in the u.s we say it's in the world it's probably in the world He's a fucking enormous guy. Everything that happens in the U.S., we say, it's in the world. It's probably in the world. He's probably better than any Asian. Yeah, I don't think there's a Korean guy,

just a 260-pound Korean guy jacked to the moon. Probably more jacked than anybody in Guam. I would assume so. So we're going to go, and that's still the U.S., so fuck that.

Guam's a territory. They vote in primaries. Eat a dick, Guam. So anyway, sorry if you're in Guam. So Ray told her he was on roids and he didn't know what he did. He had no idea. Now, she claims this was

her introduction to steroids. She said she knew nothing about steroids. Didn't know he was on steroids. I don't care if it's 1987. I don't care if it's 1947. If you look at that guy, you go, he's doing something different than other humans. I can see why she'd want to get into steroids, though, to level that

playing field for the sake of the next boxing match that she has to endure in her living room. That's a good point, actually, yeah. The claims are amazing here with the steroids. Also, too, claims that Ray while in Okinawa threw her out of a

bathtub and broke her toe, also punched her, claims that Ray, while in Okinawa, threw her out of a bathtub and broke her toe. Also punched her, broke her nose, and attacked her at one time because they got in a big fight because he told her, your shoulders are not developed enough. And this was a huge fight. She was like, listen, he told her, your shoulders aren't developed enough, so I am going to beat the living horse shit out of you. That ought to make them bigger. That'll make them bigger. She claimed she had a shoulder injury and she couldn't train as hard.

I can imagine. You know, didn't think, she said, too, she didn't think she could get anybody else, so she didn't want to leave him at the time. Battered wife syndrome. That's what she says. Battered wife syndrome comes in later on in the trial also with her appeal and everything else which we'll get into there is this is some good shit coming up here this is some good shit because this is fun this is like a making the murderer except she's she's less of a piece of shit than steven avery so i don't care if you think steven avery is innocent or not that dude's a fucking scumbag absolutely and he's guilty so fuck off he's guilty

and the cops planted shit he's guilty everybody's fuck off. He's guilty, and the cops planted shit. He's guilty of something. Everybody's guilty. He probably murdered her, and then the cops were like, fuck it, we gotta make sure that we got him. So let's just put more shit in there. Everybody's an asshole. Let's sell Wisconsin. Let's sell them to the highest bidder. Minnesota, your job to make cheese now. Moving on.

Fucking. Claims Ray broke her ribs and punctured her lung at one point. She says she has military records to prove the injury she of course did not say how that happened uh with those people imagine it was a fist i would think so um uh yeah ray all ray would just tell her i don't know what i'm doing it's the steroids they go into these rages blah blah blah also also claims uh ray at one point uh saw her at work talking to another guy. So, just talking to another guy.

And so when they got home, he threw her across the room, broke her tailbone. She says she's still limping around today from that. Every little, every tiny bone in her body is broken. Everything, yeah. I love it. Pinky, tailbone, it's everywhere. Her toe. So, now, 1990.

Sally is, we've said all these beatings that Ray gives, Sally is not a demure flower. Let's say that, because we're going to get into some things that happened with Sally that have nothing to fucking do with Ray. She finally cut weight and got into his weight class and she's ready to go now, too. Yeah, she is brutal. So anyway, 1990 rolls around. She is demoted in the Marine Corps and not allowed to reenlist. Wow. They were like, no thanks.

Now, she's a big jacked up girl that I assume would be a good Marine. I'd love her defending my freedom. And she is too fucking crazy to kill. Marines just kill people. That's what they want to do. Yeah, that's their job. They don't build shit. They kill people.

They said, you're a little too crazy to kill people for us. So that's an interesting thing here. 1990, she starts doing, this is interesting here, she starts doing private wrestling sessions. Like in her house. It's called apartment wrestling, and it's like this sleazy thing from back in the day. If you've ever bought wrestling magazines in the 80s,

there's still two pages in the back for ads of videos of apartment wrestling. It was weird. It looked like it was from the 70s. As a kid, I was like, what the fuck is that? It was like, it looked like middle-aged women. Like every town has that little, that little box on the corner that has like the, the creepy shit that goes on in town. Exactly. I think ours is called The Beat or something like that. It's like, it's like the face-sitting category in the porno, except big muscle jacked up women. It's backpage.com for bodybuilders. Yeah, called herself Killer McNeil. I had a video called Time to Die. category in the porno except big muscle jacked up women it's backpage.com for bodybuilding yeah called herself killer mcneil i had a video called time to die so foreshadowing foreshadowing

killer mcneil time to die but this money allowed ray to leave the marines not have to re-enlist and to start in competitions and bodybuilding also sally while in the marines was like uh won like the top physique competition in her weight class all right two years in a row or something so sally was getting into this uh i also i found this video of her like an ad i don't even know if it was an ad it was just like a web page looked like it was from 1999 maybe and i couldn't even get a hold i couldn't get a hold of the webmaster i really tried to dig deep but it was for a video of her doing a mixed wrestling match and it looked like it was in a ring this wasn't an apartment right with a guy

against a guy named dave revis who was a six foot four 210 black dude and she was five three 162 wow and and there is not an ounce of fat i'm talking solid muscle as you know and he's like he's like a telephone worker and he wants to but no he was like a muscle guy so you know. And he's like a telephone worker. But no, he was like a muscled up guy. So he looked athletic. But he's just a normal ass guy. What was his name? James Revis? Dave Revis. Dave Revis. And there's pictures of her just like sitting on him with his legs twisted.

He looks like he's enjoying it, which is creepy. He's got a boner. These are basically like these guys kind of like homemade pornos. Here's a muscle chick going to beat me up and whatever their weird fantasy is. It's like how people shove their junk through a particle board and have a girl on the other side with boxing gloves. And they speed bag your nut sack. It's a similar thing, apparently.

Those high heel videos where people get their nuts stomped. High heel videos. Have you seen those? I didn't know that was a genre of video. People get their sacks stomped by chicks in high heels. I'm pumped about that. It's fucking hysterical. We're learning a lot about Jimmy Westman today.

It's so awesome. I thought I knew you. I didn't realize you were into high heel nut stomping videos. So 1990 still, they're at a weightlifting competition, a bodybuilding competition. I believe this was one of Ray's competitions. And there was a woman there who she believed had an affair with Ray. Uh-oh. So she beat the living hell out of her.

Jumped on her, beat her until she was dragged off of her by security and removed from the building so fucking hot beat her so badly and so publicly that the comp that the committee the whatever the governing body of bodybuilding professionals is suspends her for one year wow from competition or even being near the fucking place if there was a videotape on youtube that shit is viral tomorrow i I'm telling you, the muscle... Because if you saw her, it's the truth. 1991, he starts doing really well. He wins his pro card,

which I guess it's like winning your golf pro card, I guess, at the 1991 North American Championships. Entered in 10 pro shows in 93. He placed second at the Niagara Pro, which I guess moved him on to the Olympiaia competition which must be mr olympia and he was 15th out of 22 with the olympia wow which i mean for normal that's that's impressive this guy's like this guy's not like some schlub who's like lifting weights in the basement he is a highly steroided machine right and it's and it shows 14 arnold schwarzeneggergers that are better at bodybuilding than him.

That's basically it. Yeah. And he's a big guy too. Jesus. Sally said she left him three different times and he'd follow her to new addresses. I love it. Said when all this happened,

the killing said she was preparing to move back east to her hometown. But this completely contradicts some other stuff that happened. So I don't know if that was true. Everybody's done that. following the chick around now sally's criminal uh history builds uh we're still in 1990 she's arrested for pulling a pistol on her ex-husband and smashing his car windows with a crowbar i love it that's the kind of chick we're dealing she should be making like country music videos of you know because that's nuts.

She should be the star of Carrie Underwood's video bashing that truck in. That's crazy. She should be the one in the video wearing some Wranglers and a fucking halter top.

I don't think there's Wranglers that would fit this lady's giant thighs. Wear some man's fucking Wranglers. I mean, this is crazy. So, I mean, she pulled a pistol on him

first of all. When you pull guns on people, that's no joke. That's fucking serious. That's serious. And then beats his car windows out. This is like, isn't this what Jim Brown or somebody got in trouble for doing to his wife? This is hardcore crazy.

She's got a gun and a crowbar. She's got like a holster or something. That's what I mean, yeah. Wielding one in each hand. Maybe she's holding the gun on him while beating his car windows out. Don't come near me. I'm not finished with your car windows. I know you just got tense.

That's why I'm doing it. So this days later, like two weeks later, not even, like days later, Ray apparently is trying to leave her. So she dropped a 70-pound weight on his car from a balcony. Second fucking story of her house. Romeo, Romeo. Let me drop this weight on your fucking car. That's her version of who's the guy with the boombox in the 80s song.

Yeah, John Cusack. John Cusack. Her version is a 70-pound barbell from the fucking second story. Tossing it down. She shot puts it into his fucking front seat. Into his car. What does that do? That's awesome.

That crushes your roof. Yeah, from 20 feet in the air. Into his car. What does that do? That's awesome. That crushes your roof. Yeah, from 20 feet in the air. Imagine his reaction. I could only think it would be, oh, shit, that bitch is crazy. Oh, my God. And then backing up as fast as possible.

Either that, or he went in and beat the shit out of her because that's a positive. He's got an Everlast through his fucking car. Now he's got a reason. So, 1990, we're still in.

The police are called to her home to investigate the well-being of her children good call and they have to spray mace on her to subdue her because she goes back i'll bet it was a lot of mace it's crazy so now their husband testified to the ex-husband loudon uh testified that he she went quote unhinged when she started bodybuilding. She started competing in bodybuilding. That's when she, like, snapped, so I'm assuming. She's hitting cycles. She was hitting cycles.

And this is before she was married, so I think the whole, I didn't know, Ray, I didn't know anything about bullshit. So, yeah, let's be honest here. So I'm going to call bullshit on that. Glad that we wrote. Courts can do whatever they want. Crime and sports we will we will make the tough calls i'm sorry we're not gonna based on behavior and and historical evidence i'm gonna go with bullshit bullshit so now we get to 1993 uh sally is still doing her thing she's back home in allentown pennsylvania home visiting who

knows maybe she had some kind of high school reunion which uh i don't know maybe not but anyway she's in a bar she starts dancing on the bar yeah because that's a heavy duty bar and that's a heavy duty bar and that's a big bitch on the bar like a strong one yeah you don't want to approach her no bouncer um probably against his better judgment. Can you imagine? I got to get her off the bar? Why didn't I go to college? Christ almighty. Why didn't I hit that cycle when the guy in the gym offered it to me?

So he goes over and says, can you please get down off the bar? She kicks him in the face three times. Of course she does. She's a good sport. Three times. She didn't even go down on the first one. Whap, whap, whap. It's pretty tough, too. I'm picturing like Jennifer Grey in Ferris Bueller when she kicks the principal.

That's what I'm thinking. Except from a really big woman. From up high coming down, too. From up high, yeah. Kicks him. So 911 is called, obviously. They were like, we need reinforcements. Three cops respond.

Sally threatens to kill everybody, first of all. And I believe her. And they did, too, because it took all three cops to the sally threatens to kill everybody first of all and i believe her and i they did too because it took all three cops to subdue her and drag her from the premises this is 1993 i wish that was on youtube i want to see that oh god i would love to where is this surveillance video i mean this whole time uh ray is mentoring her in competitions and the thing is too like they're ray and her are fighting this whole time this has never this has never stopped this whole time she claims in total it was over 400 beatings yeah that she took so i mean that's a lot of beatings basically so this is fight but they're also a couple because it's an abusive relationship that's how they work they still function as a couple.

Ray's mentoring her at competitions all over the place. 1993, Ray competed in a tour in Europe, and the promoters paid for his flights all around Europe, but they're not going to pay for Sally. They got two seats for that big fuck. They're going to buy two more. Shit for her giant thighs. So Sally, they couldn't afford to send Sally via airline, so she was taking trains all around Europe,

and Ray would meet her at all the stations, and they were like, oh, look how sweet it is, everybody said. And then, you know, I'm assuming he tried to throw her in front of a train, and she punched him in the groin. She hit him with the train. Something. It's horrible. So, you know, 1994, things are... The tension's building this whole time

okay i can imagine this is i think what also this didn't help either because ray this whole time too she says ray is having affairs all the time yeah like the woman that she unmercifully beat at the bodybuilding competition uh ray is always having affairs she's begging him to stop he she says that these guys these women all would eventually dump him after they realized that he was not gonna leave Sally said that one girl

had an abortion with his kid because she realized she wasn't gonna leave Sally right it's it's it's just sordid

the whole thing the whole thing the whole story is so fucked up so by 1994 Ray starts taking acting classes but she sticks with him she sticks with him

that is so amazing and the kids live with them too that's the other him. She sticks with him the whole time. That is so amazing. And the kids live with them, too. That's the other thing. The kids live with them the whole time. The kids are witnessing this. I want to talk to them so bad. The kids, these poor kids. These poor kids, I think, are put away.

They're 30 by now. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah, they're 30 years old. The young one is 30. The other one is 32 years old. So, yeah, they must have stories to tell. In court, they told stories of they always fought.

I'll bet their lives are so turbulent still. It's got to be. And also, too, they got cross-exam tell in court they told stories of yeah always fought i'll bet their lives are so turbulent it's got to be and also too they got cross-examined in court and stuff it was it was difficult in the trial years we're gonna get to this trial it's it's yeah it's it's not so 94 race taking action class and he starts doing stand-up starts doing open mics in la jolla which so i'm punching my wife the other night so my wife weighs 260 pounds of pure muscle right so every once in a while i gotta jab her a few times i wouldn't make that in a black pretty black however they talk however black accent is but with him i don't even know where the fuck ray was from so he could have talked like anything crazy is that that like our first criminal was ray ruth i mean we could do we could do Ray Lewis and Ray Rice, too.

Why are all these fucking psychos named Ray? There's a lot of Rays. Why is Ray such a popular name in domestic disturbance and violence? True crime nerds get on that shit. Figure it out. Do the research, because I'm doing enough research. I don't have time for that shit. Standard Comics, very popular to have a J.

I'm up to my ass in soccer players and Ryan Leaf, and I got wrestlers and everything else. I don't have time to look this up. So you guys figure it out and let us know. It's very popular to have the letter J in your name, whether it be Jay Leno or Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon, whatever. The letter J is very significant with comics. Yeah.

For some weird fucking reason. Ray is the comic equivalent in beating your wife it's true so look it up crime and sports at gmail.com and send us some facts um sally uh was still competing uh competed in 94 and three competitions ranking fifth sixth and then she moved up to a heavyweight from a middleweight and ranked 16th and won. She was the main moneymaker at the time. Money was tight. And at this point, we get to the night in question. You're telling me that bodybuilding doesn't make a lot of money? No, you would think.

You would think. Yeah. Oiling yourself up and posing would be super lucrative, but it's not, oddly. It's not. And neither is open mics for stand-up comedy. We skipped right over there. We've got to stop because we're both comics, guys.

To have a 6'4", jacked to the moon, roided up guy get on stage, we would be like, who the fuck is this fucking lunatic? And we would think he was not going to be funny right away because he couldn't hold the mic without it. He's clearly spent too much time doing something other than comedy yeah how's he gonna be funny plus the roids and everything you gotta be a little loose like i'm angry on stage you know that but i'm not i'm not on steroids i'm not gonna start strangling someone with the cord and god forbid somebody fucking heckles this poor man oh god this that poor them never want to be beating the shit out of them and choking them and puncturing their lungs with broken ribs.

Spreading tailbones and shit. So February 14, 1995, Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day. Such a sweet day. You can hear birds chirping. Hearts are in the air. So Ray McNeil, he's working out at Gold's Gym in Oceanside. Of course he is.

He has a competition, of course. What the fuck else is he going to do? He's got the South Beach Pro Invitational in four days in Miami. This is apparently a super big deal. It's a big one, yeah. And he's training for it. He's jacked to the moon. He's on five different kinds of steroids, as we'll find out from his toxicology report.

An argument breaks out in the kitchen. He comes home after this. It's about 10 o'clock at night. He's cooking chicken. Now, they've said that the... Lean proteins. They've said the argument was over the cost of the chicken.

That's been like the kind of just... It was about the cost of the chicken. James, how much does chicken cost? Whatever it is... It's $1.99 a pound. That's what I mean. Was she complaining, did you spend $2.49 a pound?

They have it over at the other store for $ you spend 249 a pound they have it over at the other star for 149 like what they have it at ralph's it's callie will say it's you know for 149 i i don't think that's but anyway she says it's not over chicken she claims later on that she was in the in the bathroom putting on makeup because she was going to go out to a nightclub and he didn't want her to go to a nightclub because he was very jealous. So he told her to stop. I think I figured it out. He said, you're not going out with those chicken heads. And she said,

how much did you spend on that chicken? Yeah, $2.49. So, argument breaks out in the kitchen. Ray's cooking his chicken. Sally apparently, now Sally at this point claims that Ray choked her and all of this now later on it comes out that ray there's scratches on her neck of course and it comes out ray's fingernails

are too short to scratch there's none of her dna under his skin there is scratches that's the thing now she says the scratches come from her trying to get his hands off of her also possible not sure but uh yeah it's there's no there's no evidence physically that when they they said they didn't see bruising and her neck but bruising also takes a couple days to come out sometimes so whatever we have no idea also too we don't know when the choking happened because as we'll see she goes into her bedroom to load a 12-gauge shotgun. She has time to cool off putting all those shells in. Yes, that's the thing. But...

With a pistol grip, too. This is an altered shotgun. She gets charged for this also. That'll come in later. This is like a goddamn riot gun. Yeah, she is like... She's like in like an NWA video. From 1989.

She's Dr. Dre. So, apparently, she shoots Ray in the abdomen in the kitchen. All right. He crawls toward the bed, toward the living room, toward the couch, is what the forensic evidence shows later on by the shots, the spatter patterns, all of that.

Shoots him in the torso. Says when she shot him in the torso, he lost almost a pound of liver tissue right away. Blown out of him. All over the chicken. Tore through his pancreas, tore his kidney the chicken is fucking destroyed there's no recipe for that to put a little pancreas in there and a half a pound of liver meat so uh basically then at this point she claims that he started crawling toward her now threatening fashion in a threatening fashion minus a liver if he was 260 60 pounds

he's now 259 pounds and that pound was vital so i don't know if this is true or not but she apparently goes back in the bedroom drops the shell off in there reloads wow and they find the shell in the bedroom later on she says oh someone must have kicked it in there but they said it was a completely mess in there they lived like fucking animals and pigs crazy and there's no way anybody kicked anything anywhere it was in the bedroom they find it right away too it's not like it was like later on like a stephen avery sitting on the pillow where it was ejected yeah as she goes in gets another one loads reloads it comes back out shoots ray in the head this time tears through, rips half his jaw tears through his throat he's fucked basically

he's still alive though he's still alive, he's bleeding profusely kids are in the house by the way kids are home during this so they freak out obviously, run screaming

from the house because my god shotgun blast yeah uh they claim all over the living room yeah they claim later on that uh stepdad anyway but they claim later on that also uh they heard some sort of scuffle from them in the kitchen beforehand but like we said who knows if she had the gun and who knows how that went down uh anyway uh they run she walks outside calmly gives the gun to a neighbor imagine you you come out of your house you hear a shotgun blast you come out of your house this isn't like a nice neighborhood san diego she comes out of there you come out of your house you see this jacked up lunatic with a shotgun in her hand emerged from her front door like goddamn arnold schwarzenegger and the fucking terminator holy hell that's got to be frightening hold this gun and then she goes take this

and uh told them that ray had been beating her and uh she couldn't take it anymore and she sat there waiting for the cops to come wow i mean that was that she didn't run she said i'll sit here i'll wait so i mean she did go through guilty people run that's true but also she she knows guilty people run so sure this means nothing yeah that's insanity um yeah i mean she did this with her kids in the house yeah yeah that's i had no idea that's amazing it's crazy excuse me so uh so we get to the the investigation here there's not much of an investigation she says she shot him they're just investigating whether because she's saying he was attacking me at that moment and i was in fear of my life when i shot him and they're saying he was cooking chicken

right and you came in and shot him so they're the foster farm yeah counter and they're also saying he crawled away not toward you he's trying to get away from you because he knows how fucking crazy you are now yeah yeah he knows this shit's serious he knows how fucking crazy you are now. Yeah, yeah. He knows this shit's serious. He's missing half a liver. Yeah, this is not just fight. This isn't a 70-pound barbell from the upper deck over here now anymore. No, she's got a shotgun with a pistol grip.

She's going straight gangster on him. Holy shit. He's going to fuck around, man. So we get to basically the investigating officer, not the first officer to arrive, but the homicide detective, I assume, Sergeant Thomas. Guys in suits with badges on the belt. Guys with suits.

Jerry Arbach comes into the room. Sergeant Thomas A. Bussey. Busey. Two S's. I'm going to assume it's Bussey. It says 1040 p.m. Oceanside Police responded to 1802 South Tremont. That's the address if you guys want to go take a look at it.

Take a peek. Make it the new whatever, whatever. Go ahead. Drive or whatever. Go ahead, death hunters. Yeah, knock yourselves out there. That's the address if you guys want to go take a look at it. Go take a peek. Make it the new whatever, whatever, Brentwood Drive or whatever. Go ahead, Death Hunters. Yeah, knock yourselves out there. That's it. It's in San Diego. Found McNeil. He was life-flighted to Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla.

Two hours of surgery and he died. Of course. Now, he did make statements to them also. Yeah, he said, you know, why, why did this happen? And one officer came in and told the other officer, she's saying he beat her. And he was saying, no, no, no, no, while he was dying in a pool of blood. Five different types of steroids found in Ray. One found in Sally Decker, which is like what a lot of ballplayers take.

That's the common one, yeah. It's Roger Clemens we got busted for. She took Deca. She said she did a tournament a year before, and that's what it was from, and it stays in your system 18 months is what she claims. I don't know. That seems fishy. There's no way to tell.

18 months? I don't know. That might be true, but that doesn't say she didn't take it the day before, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, Ray's got five like he's training to run the Triple Crown or some shit. Yeah, yeah. He's a thoroughbred. That's amazing.

At this point, too, her ex-husband is coming into the mix and telling about her history. All sorts of people are coming forward. A bouncer's coming forward. A bouncer's going. Rabbit kicked him in the head. She's got a hell of a good Jennifer Greyfair-Fuehler kick. Let me tell you something. So the husband, Anthony Loudon, said,

I sure as Ray Lye's dead, it could have been me. That was his quote on it. Like he said, look, that's why he got away from her. Trial begins one year later on February 14th, 1996. Isn't that weird? Valentine's Day again. Valentine's Day, right on the money. Got a feeling she didn't have chicken on February 14th, 1996. Isn't that weird? Valentine's Day again? Valentine's Day, right on the money. Got a feeling she didn't have chicken that night. Yeah, no.

This is becoming a romantic day for her. I bet she fucking hates Valentine's Day now. Oh, she must. That's the worst day ever. Trials and shotguns. Pump grip. I'm just tired of this. So the DA is Dan Goldstein.

He stated that Sally planned the murder for insurance purposes. Guns pump grip. I'm just tired of this. So the DA is Dan Goldstein. He stated that Sally planned the murder for insurance purposes and that Ray was preparing to leave her, and she didn't want that to happen, and she was trying to control him, you know, obviously. Well, he's gone now, Sally. Let's see here. The officer was one of the first responding officers. Officer Gary Schultz told flex

magazine yes i was reading flex magazine uh that ray was on his hands and knees in a pool of blood and ray mumbled why did you do this oh god he was like you know so it didn't seem like he was like you know i didn't hit her that hard oh god it was you know why but once again who knows uh so let's see here no blood or marks on sally no like she wasn't bleeding anywhere she didn't get punched no dna like i said she wasn't in she wasn't bleeding to death she wasn't uh you know in a life or death situation yeah yeah it's it's may have been a fight or flight but not necessarily life or death no that's the thing it's it's that that's that's what it is and that's that's a lot of what happens here is because she's going to have experts, battered women syndrome experts.

And this is the mid-90s too. This isn't now. So this is 20 years ago. This is 1996. This is 20 years ago. Hitting women was a little more common. It was just, I don't think battered women syndrome outside of like Lifetime movies

or maybe something Farrah Fawcett did. We didn't really know. I don't think it was a common thing that everybody in the jury was like, oh yeah, sometimes people get beat for 10 years and then they kill the guy that's normal like behind closed doors kind of thing it's not necessarily in the public eye so that that was a little interesting thing so the da uh said you know it was totally premeditated she went back to reload the shell casing was found in the bedroom like we said he's got a solid case it sounds like

it uh she denied that she did it for money said uh um and that she also denied that ray was leaving uh but then and later on she said that she was preparing to leave so none of this makes any sense um she said never been near each other no not at all she says that she says that this later on she says it was over makeup in a nightclub here she's these two were a nightmare this was a bad cocktail this is just a bad cocktail altogether just not good excuse me sorry oh no go ahead but yeah so she said that this at this point she's saying that it happened because she was tired of the affairs and finally admitted but you know after being berated she said okay yeah he was gonna leave. So she's saying she was

going to leave, but at the time she admitted at the trial that he was going to leave. Right. Somebody's leaving. And that should have been the way this ended. That someone should have, God Jesus. If I, the two people I wish could leave the most were those goddamn kids. Get them out of there. And where were they to be like, listen, you two,

you two fucking hate each other. Why are we going through this? Good God, yes. We have more sense than you. We're nine. I'm trying to play Atari. Would you two shut the fuck up? We need like a military strike unit that can just come and drop a line down and pull those kids right out through the roof of the house. For sure.

Just go on. Get them out of there. We're SEAL Team 6, for fuck's sake. Take them to Afghanistan. We're safe. Safer than with these lunatics, for Christ's sake. safer than with these lunatics for christ's sake so the 911 there's a 911 operator that testifies at trial that she heard moaning in the background of a man saying why did you shoot me on the 911 call that she made uh she responded with quote i told you i wasn't taking your shit

anymore so that could mean anything she didn't say i told you you couldn't beat me anymore it could have been i told you you're not gonna anymore. It could have been, I told you you're not going to have affairs anymore. It could have been anything. I told you not to get white meat. I told you I like the thighs. I told you to get Purdue and not Foster Farms. She's taken no shit anymore. It's over.

We know that. Oh, my goodness. She said she never used testosterone. Also, that was a thing. Only the Deca because she didn't want to have facial hair and all that she's like yeah later and then a penis later on in prison she's like i'd be a misfit in here if i in prison if i had to shave my face and i had male pattern baldness and a deep voice how much of a bad ass though yeah she's in arizona like weed whacking on the Jane game with a male pattern baldness.

Male pattern baldness and a big cock bulge. So, big old cock bulge. Why do those two words make me laugh so hard? Holy shit. By the way, at trial, one of Ray's girlfriends testifies against her, saying that she was crazy. One of Ray's ex-girlfriends. Also, now here's where it gets super interesting. She claims that Ray was also homosexual.

Oh my God. She claims he had many boyfriends. Oh boy. One of which lived with them for two years. Wow. To the point where she would get, she thinks that the boyfriend was encouraging Ray to beat her. The ex-wife thinks this? Sally McNeil is living in the house with Ray, her two kids,

and Ray's gay lover. And she thinks that the gay lover is encouraging Ray to beat her, and she'll beg the guy for help. Hey, help me, he's beating me. He's like, no, that shit's hot. No, that's on you. I don't know what to tell you so yeah she also too for two years she said that that that when they were there alone she would they would lock the kids out of the house wow and she thinks they

were having gay sex and didn't want the kids to interrupt them i mean who knows what the hell they were doing that's a crazy accusation she claims it was a lot of boyfriends and one of these guys even testified at trial and that was the guy who got kicked out and she said she would that's why he testified against her because he was mad at her for kicking him out so it's very interesting says um ray's boyfriends made her out to be the bully in court said she wouldn't provoke a 260 pound bodybuilder she also claims that ray ran a 4 3 40 and she couldn't outrun 260-pound bodybuilder. She also claims that Ray ran a 4.340, and she couldn't outrun him because he ran a 4.340. That's a fucking freight train.

He did not run a 4.340. There's no way he ran that, no. 4.340 is like a world-class wide receiver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Running backs run that. That's ridiculous. They run that. That's like wide receiver that you're like,

shit, he can run, but I don't know if he can catch because he's that fast. But if he gets the ball, he's fucking gone. Amari Cooper, the Raiders rookie, was like a sensation. He was like a 4'5". Wow. He was like a 4'5". Like, this is fast.

And she claims Ray's... She claims... Yeah. 260. She claims he's like Superman. Right. And he bursts through walls. And, you know, it's insane.

So, anyway, he said... Good God. Good God. insane so anyway uh uh he said good god she they argued over that the boyfriend claimed that he saw her bench in 255 she said i can't bench 255 i can only bench 225 and that makes her innocent because she can only bench i don't know that was her big claim like this 30 pounds is the difference yeah i couldn't kill him if i couldn't bench 255. If you can bench 225 on him, you can pull the trigger of a Mossberg. I'll tell you that right now. Unbelievable, man.

Unbelievable. It's incredible. So McNeil, oh, my God. So she gets convicted at this point. Right. Okay. Sally is convicted. Now, this is only the beginning of this.

She is convicted of murder. She is sentenced to a total of 19 years to life. Now, 15 of that was for the murder. Four of that was for altering a firearm. Yeah. So they got her for that. Got her in California. They treated her like a black man in California.

They got her on that little charge, too. So that's pretty funny uh judge laura haynes said you'll be an old woman when you get out when you get out of jail ray didn't deserve to die like that wow so the judge this woman was definitely on the ray's side absolutely uh she's sent to the central california women's facility in chowchilla california that's 40 miles outside of fresno. I have some information for you if you'd like to write to her at some point. I have that information.

I'll give you that in a little bit. Chowchilla? Chowchilla. Chowchilla. It's up near Fresno in Northern California. Rumor has it in the bodybuilding message board world, she will write you back, no problem. How about that?

She'll give you bodybuilding tips and everything else. I'm going to send a photo of her. I want signed she'll sign it i bet how great would that be it's but this is when the case gets interesting it's not over by a long shot yeah okay at this point i'm sending it to your fucking house i'm not giving her my address well yeah your wife is gonna kill you you can send it to my apartment no one will care so uh at this point she's convicted she sent away now there was there was a problem with this now she was allowed to present the self-defense argument which would be saying it was manslaughter not murder right uh she was allowed to present that defense at trial

but the judge erroneously instructed the jury that it was a wording thing because it was a case that altered this case law a couple of years before that. I dug in. I read legal briefs. I read. You have no idea. I've read the actual like legalese court things trying to follow this. And it's insanity so she she told erroneously told the jury that they could not consider this all right in their in their in their judgment for one thing though it wasn't for the

anyway she gets convicted this is her big thing she's now filed an appeal she files an appeal for this in 96 and 97 been convicted of manslaughter instead of murder. Exactly. And then at that point, she's thinking, because she does an interview that I found from like 96, 97 in jail, where she's saying, she is talking about, I'm getting out of here. She's talking about her plan. She's like- I'm going to get time served and I'm going to go right back home. That's exactly right. She said, I'm going to get that thrown out.

It's going to be manslaughter, time served, boom, boom, boom. So it's, yeah. Wow. We'll get to this interview because there's some funny stuff in this interview. I love it. It's really good. I really enjoy it. She said, by the way, she's in prison.

She said there's no weightlifting equipment. They took it away in 97 when the criminals started getting too jacked for the guards. So she's doing dips and push-ups and pull-ups and shit. All gravity weight. Was it 175 when she that anyway said she's was it 175 when she went in and she's down to 135 now 5 3 130 5 3 130 wow and she's you know she's dainty fix you know whatever um she says the whole thing was a double standard obviously this is what she says in prison now this is funny this was when she was in prison um in like 97 when she was hopeful yeah of an appeal and she is delusional in these are we

firing up the music this is gonna be in their own words yeah yeah we got a couple in their own words i love it so here's sally mcneil from prison looking forward to possibly getting released for time served okay i'm planning to box when i get out i'll try to bulk up to 170 of solid muscle we'll see how i can put the weight back on i want to box the big names i hope i don't sound crazy i think i'd become a very good draw especially if i use my maiden name dempsey you know like the famous boxer no we had no idea sally oh wow she is crazy then i'm gonna box the big names you know i'm gonna box ali i think i'm gonna do it i'm gonna be the big names of female boxing in 1995 box leila ali yeah leila ali was like 14 then probably i don't think leila ali could have boxed her i want to beat the shit out of Muhammad Ali's teenage daughter

That's what I'm going to do when I get out of here I'm going to shoot her with a pump handle shotgun They do death matches I'll box Layla in a man's garage Here's another I can do it Make apartment videos I'll sit on her face

Somebody can film it then jerk off to it later Speed dagger balls. So she says in another quote from this interview, she says, I believe my running and exercise in here have left me looking younger than I really am. My friends in here call me Mustang Sally because I run fast. When I run in the walk-a-thon, they call me the golden girl. She just thinks she's just cute, cute stuff in there. Imagine her strutting around prison. I'm the golden girl she just thinks she's just cute cute stuff in there i hope her strutting around prison i'm the golden girl i hope she has mustang sally prison tattooed on her chest

sally so she got like the the mustang logo from from a ford mustang tattooed on her chest yeah it's on her fucking neck oh my god that's so funny um. She also says, let's see here, one more quote from Sally here. So why was it against the law to protect myself from Ray? I felt awful for what I did, but the prosecution took advantage of my misconstrued feelings of being a horrible person. I was just in shock. How dare they want to... You were in shock, I'm in fucking shock. Ray was probably surprised. I'll bet Ray was in shock after the first shock. I'm in fucking shock. Ray was probably surprised.

I'll bet Ray was in shock after the first shot. I'm sure he was very shocked. He had some shock. This is the other thing I love that she said here. One more from this old interview and then later on

there's a couple more from modern day Sally. But this is still delusional pre-appeal Sally. If the cops had shot and killed Ray, the outcome would have been justifiable homicide because Ray had five different types of steroids in his system at the time.

It's just a double standard. Maybe you should have went to the academy, Sally. Maybe because you're not a cop, eh? That's probably one of the things that makes a difference in that, I would assume. So anyway, let's get into the technicality of the legal thing here for sally's self-defense she had to show this is a legal term that i had to figure out here she had to show that she was motivated by quote an actual genuine belief or perception that she was an imminent danger of death or great bodily injury from an unlawful attack or threat by the victim

and the defendant's acts were necessary to prevent the injury that's the basic thing she had to it had to be mitigating factor yeah he is gonna fuck me up now if i don't strike back right and i'm sure that would have been fairly easy to prove uh going with the the past past facts and past events uh but that bottle of Chardonnay on the counter and that box of chocolates and that chicken cooking? It's not good. So, yeah, there's a lot of problems here. So he had a different intent, Sugar.

Yeah, he was just like, I gotta eat some chicken because I need my protein because I got this competition in four days. I just worked out for the past three hours. I need rebound protein. I had some gay sex and things. I've had a busy night. Get away from me. So, also the prosecutor Goldstein at this point said said the defendant is anything but a battered wife. She's one of the

most violent persons I've ever prosecuted, which by her record, she kind of is pretty violent. She's one of the most violent women I've ever heard of in my life. Battered or not. That's the thing. We don't know if this, maybe she did fear for, like, I can't judge that. All I know is she did fucking shoot this guy and she was a crazy nut case first and long before she did this she called herself killer sally killer sally and she was pulling guns on her ex-husband and bashing his i'm sorry 70 pound fucking barbell she's a lunatic yes well if a man pulled a gun on a woman and bashed in all her car windows with a crowbar that would be considered serious like escalation of violence to going to kill soon and she killed a man on the on the most romantic day

of the year that was romantic i gotta say that's sweet now at this point the appeals are going on she has an appeal uh her appeal does well first of all the ninth circuit u.s court of appeals ruled in 2004 that she was not properly allowed to argue the death was manslaughter so this is going to move it along to possibly get a new trial out of this to possibly end up with time served this is her plan um but the california authorities appealed to Supreme Court, which they ruled without hearing any arguments. They didn't want to hear shit from any of these people. Not interested. They said, although the jury had technically incorrect instructions, the prosecutor and judge resolved any confusion, and it wasn't worthy of that.

So Sally appeal is fucked at that point. Sorry, Sally. Sorry, Sally. Sorry, Sally. Yeah, they think that the wounds on her neck were self-inflicted, too. That's another thing. Now, so she's sitting in jail at this point. And there's people I feel sorry for. Yeah.

There's four people I feel sorry for. A couple of kids, for sure. The kids, let's start with them. Yeah. Not Ray, not Sally. No. The kids, let's start, for sure. And also, a woman I found on LinkedIn named Sally McNeil.

An office manager at Express Works International LLC in Houston. It's an oil and energy company. This poor lady. This poor lady. If you Google search Sally McNeil, if you go a little deep, second page or so, you're going to get her. Right away. And you're going to go, is she out? Is she out?

Is she an office manager at Expressworks International LLC in Houston? What the fuck happened? Poor Sally. Poor Sally. And I also feel bad for a retired math teacher that I found on RateMyTeacher.com

named Sally McNeil. She's a retired math teacher in Northview High School in Duluth, Georgia. But I kind of don't feel sorry for her because because listen to this review, and none of them were positive. This was the best one I found. McNeil is the worst math teacher I've ever had, and she is so boring, and I can't believe

they still allow her to teach. That was 6-28-06. At least she didn't shoot you with a shotgun, kid. Is that a high school? Is that what you said? Yeah, yeah, in Duluth, Georgia. She's a math teacher, so nobody likes her. None of those kids even know who Killer Sally what you said? Yeah, yeah. And she's Georgia. She's a math teacher, so nobody likes her. None of those kids

even know who Killer Sally is. No, no. So she had a failed parole hearing in November of 2013. That was her first shot at parole, and that didn't work out, which they normally don't release someone who with that kind of...

Yeah. They're just going to... Let's just see how you... Maybe next time. ...react a little more in jail. So she's hoping for another one here uh coming up i think in the summer possibly she's got this year i believe so there's she's got wow don't quote me on that that's not possible that's not whatever i love

the four-year term for a firearm enhancement one of my favorite goddamn things in the world um so we have at this point she's in jail and now she's a little different she's a little more reflective sally mcneil um she's in jail uh i have some quotes for her from her which are which are interesting um the first one let's fire muffin in her own words here um this is this is she's talking about what she can do when she gets out. She says, I can also make wrestling videos about my experience in here, and I'll do well at that. Sky's the limit on what I can do. She's so positive.

Sky's the limit. Things are going well. Another one, this one she gets political, which I love this a lot. This is like Lawrence Phillips talking about talking shit from prison here in their own words. In California it's very very hard to be granted

a parole date. The politicians use us as political pawns to show the public that they're tough on crime so they can get re-elected. There is no self-defense law in California.

Yes there is by the way. Not like other states. If I was living in Texas or Pennsylvania I would not have received a murder sentence i took gray's life and i know i deserve to do prison time okay schizophrenic first of all

second of all yeah if you were in texas you could have shot a retarded kid on your front lawn for no reason on halloween and that's legal there but that's texas for christ's sake what are you talking about he was black i could have done it in te Texas for sure. I could have done it in Texas for sure. So basically, and now we have her quote. And this is her now looking forward. This is Sally really putting it up. This is what you're going to get out of Sally McNeil when she gets out of jail, folks.

Let's see here. My goals in life for now are focused on gaining my freedom and being reunited with my family. I will be too old to compete when I get out. I am not too old to stay in shape, though. I can train people. I have my mind so I can teach people. I can teach them how to wrestle and make good wrestling videos. She's sticking with the videos, though.

What wrestling videos is she making? We have porno now. On demand. This is in 1996. There's no VHS, Sally. Nobody's looking for that. Nobody needs to put a VHS cam up to some muscly broad sitting on some douchebag's face in an apartment. This is a woman that hasn't seen the WWE now,

or WWF, whatever the hell it's called now. No. She hasn't seen what Jim McMahon has done to wrestling. Vince McMahon. Jim McMahon. Jesus McMahon. Jim McMahon. Jesus Christ. Jim McMahon was a quarterback for the Bears.

Jim McMahon and Walter Payton have done great things. Vince McMahon has done amazing things for wrestling and she has no idea. Ironically enough, Steve McMichael

actually did be a, he actually was a wrestler from that team. But, so you have that. So yeah, so Sally McNeil at this point.

Jim McMahon.cmahon has brought it to new heights let me tell you something so sally right now if you'd like to get a hold of sally and like i said she will answer you back sally will talk to people you can sally will give you workout advice sally is a nice lady apparently now give you tips on growing tomatoes also bored yes she's got a lot of tips on that uh you can write to her at sally mcneil that's m-c-n-e-i-l one l uh now there's a pound sign hashtag you want to call it whatever pound number w-6-2-6-8-8 comma v as in victor period s as in sam period p as in peter period w as in workshop period comma d as in david 2-7-3 v as in victor i'm sorry not v to me u as in up and p as in Victor I'm sorry not V as in Victor U as in up and P as in the second letter of up P.O. Box 92

Chowchilla, California 93610-0092 That is Sally's digits That's a real address That is a real fucking address Make that up Why make it up? How could you? How could you?

How could you? I'm on page nine of Google trying to find this shit. I'm reading Muscle Magazine with, like, you know, sifting through old Joe Piscopo covers looking for Sally McNeil. You found her goddamn address. So if you're really intrigued by Sally, drop Sally a line.

Oh, and forward that shit to our inbox when you get it. If you do, yes, that's the other thing. If you're really intrigued by Sally, drop Sally a line. And forward that shit to our inbox when you get it. If you do, yes, that's the other thing. If you're going to correspond with Sally and you're going to do it in some sort of sarcastic manner, please talk to us. If you're playing pranks on her, send it.

Include us, because we hooked you up with this shit. You would have known nothing about this lady. We're your wingman, wingmen, and we want to know all about it. Yeah, we need to know this stuff. We're your wingman, wingmen, and we want to know all about it. Yeah, we need to know this stuff. We're helping you. You help us.

We'll tell you about the stuff. You find out about guys named Ray being psychos and that, and then we're good. You tell us about it. We'll investigate lunatic athletes. And send her something about Valentine's Day. Send her Valentine's Day cards. We should all send Sally the like the ones from school, like you give everybody in their little mailbox.

Wrestling-themed ones. Yeah, wrestling-themed. Yes, we should. I'm going to send her some Jim McMahon ones. Some Jim McMahon ones? You should really send that. That'd be perfect. There's some Ed McMahon ones, too.

Every McMahon I can find, I'm sending them. I love Ed McMahon. One time, Publishers Clearinghouse sent in, you know, you get the big little envelopes, and in it was an 8x10 of Ed McMahon. One time Publishers Clearinghouse sent you know you get the big little envelopes and in it was an 8x10 of Ed McMahon. It was a headshot. I love it so much. So I threw out the envelope kept the headshot, put it on my wall

and people would be like why the fuck do you have Ed McMahon's headshot in here? Because he sent it to me. Because he sent it to me. That's why. If I ever meet him that bad boy's getting an autograph. Unfortunately I never met Ed McMahon. I think he's dead by the way as we're recording this today

Gary Shandling died and that's a bummer to all of us anybody in the comedy world knows that's just a huge bummer it's the worst Larry Sanders show

is the best and we're going to miss the Larry Sanders since we're talking about the 90s with Sally McNeil Larry Sanders show was great

Sally McNeil would have been a great guest on the show I would have loved to have seen Hank banter with Sally McNeil and her then put him in a headlock and crush him you know another thing too with sally that i find amusing is she says she can't fight in prison because she doesn't a want to blow her lengthen her time and she said everybody wanted to fight her when she first got

there because she was jacked up and tough and they were like we're gonna be because she's the biggest dude on the yard yeah yeah and then she was like there's like 260 pound girls trying to fight me and i'm not even allowed to fight back and blah blah blah so yeah she was complaining about that that she wanted to kick some ass i can't even fight in here this is bullshit i've been fighting ray yeah have you seen ray my sparring partner is three times the size of you i will fuck you up and it took three cops to get me out of a car. You understand that? They maced me in my own home.

My own home. I was just in my living room when they had to mace me. I killed that motherfucker in front of my kids. I'm not scared of you. Over chicken. I will take you down. Over the fucking marinade. You're going down.

Said I wanted Caribbean jerk, god damn it. Not that tequila lime bullshit. Asshole, right? That was a lot of different kinds of marinade. Yeah, we threw out some marinades. That shows how really... How much we cooked. How much that's sad that we know our marinade.

It's disgusting. We're pathetic. So anyway, that's Sally McNeil. There she is. In a nutshell, we hope you like Sallyally mcneil because we really liked her uh look up her pictures also we'll post them on our social media and because they're really fun to see her pictures because she was i mean it's it's incredible like i you don't what it takes for people to be like that i just can't understand their whole life has to revolve around they got in

a fight because he said your shoulders aren't developed enough. I mean, that's nuts. Imagine that. They spent so much time involved in bodybuilding and whatever cycles they're doing. Oh, God, no. Anything that you spend your life doing like that, you don't have time for anything else. That's fucking, that's insane to me. With all this traveling, too, where the hell were these kids?

What was going on? Yeah, that's a good point. God, it's scary. Yeah, they're in Europe. They're unfit parents. They're unfit parents going around with the kids at the train. He was flying. She was taking trains. Kids were taking, like, buses behind her.

How the fuck did that happen? Kids are at home with a 12-gauge in the house, for fuck's sake. They are. Yeah. Completely unsafe. Now, on the plus side, at least there's shells there also, in case they want to partake and pick up the old pistol grip shotgun and start firing away at the neighbors.

That neighbor, boy, that's who I want to interview. Yeah. Because that neighbor had to have heard crazy shit coming from next door between these two. And then all of a sudden you see Sally emerge with the shotgun like Sylvester Stallone. She's 5'3". You know, Cobra. She's a fucking rectangle. She's short and wide.

And stocky. Shoulders not that developed, I'll be honest with you. But the rest of her jacked up. Hips and thighs and shit. She's all thigh. Shoulders, I mean, so underdeveloped. I could throw a beating on her, Jimmy, just from looking at her. Because I'm like, look at those shoulders.

I just want to beat her. I don't understand it. Shit, now I get it, right? No, so poor Ray, poor Sally, poor kids, poor math teacher Sally. But lucky you. We get to talk about it. Office manager of Express Works LLC in Houston, Texas. Oil and energy company.

You poor lady. I'm sorry. I guarantee. Sally McNeil, office manager in Houston, Texas. If you somehow, by the miracle of numbers, actually listen to this podcast, if you ever hear it, please tell us if people email you and get on your LinkedIn and shit

and go, are you the one that shot your husband in the face? How many times has 60 Minutes contacted you? Yeah, how much steroids were you on? Tell us, because that would be amazing. I should have contacted Sally McNeil. I didn't go deep enough, Jimmy. I should have. I should have contacted Sally McNeil. I didn't go deep enough, Jimmy. I should have contacted not the prison Sally McNeil,

the office manager. We hit this too early. We hit it too early. We need one more day. Damn it. I really should have got on that. I'm a failure. I'm sorry we failed you.

Jimmy and I apologize profusely from the bottoms of our heart. But next week, tune back in and we'll do our best to make it up to you. I'll have an update.

Also, bother that poor Sally McNeil lady and ask her because i want sally mcneil the office manager to then get let's have like a weird little chain of things you bother her and then she tells and then you tell her about it and it'll be fun and then get that teacher too and tell her she's a shit teacher hey you suck you're boring and i can't believe they still allow you to teach why are you teaching math anyway? You should be teaching gym. Yeah, I'm going to put that in their own words music also, I think, just because that kid sounded very angsty. I'll give him a different tune.

Angsty, shitty, right? I love it. My teacher kid. I love it. But thank you so much. We're going to be coming at you with more stuff here, like we said, every week, Tuesdays. Tune in.

New athletes every week. We have so many lined up. It's so fun. It never ends, guys. This isn't like a three-month project. We're going to do this basically until one of us drops dead. Probably me and a laptop with index cards full of information about people. So we're going to keep doing this forever, so get on board.

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