Crime Junkie - MISSING: Kiplyn Davis

Episode Date: March 26, 2018

In 1995, one of our listeners from Kentucky was high school pen pals with a girl named Kiplyn Davis from Spanish Fork, Utah, when one day the Spanish Fork Police called looking for answers. Kiplyn had gone missing. Kiplyn's story takes over 16 years to unfold and even though a few young men have been accused of and pled guilty to murder, no one has ever found Kiplyn or her remains. For current Fan Club membership options and policies, please visit https://crimejunkieapp.com/library/. Sources for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/missing-kiplyn-davis/.   

Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of Crime Junkie. I'm your host Ashley Flowers. And I'm Britt. And we'd like to say welcome to all of our new junkies. We have gotten a lot of new listeners over the last couple of weeks, and from what you've been telling us on social media, you have binged, you have caught up,

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["Crime Stoppers of Central Indiana"] This week's case is a listener's suggestion from Sarah in Kentucky. She actually wrote to us to tell us that in high school she had a pen pal named Kiplan who lived out in Spanish Fork Utah and one day Sarah said and she will never forget this, her mom handed her the phone and she had this look on her face that she had never seen before or since and her mom just said it's the Spanish Fork Utah police for you. Oh my god. I know that's like a call no one gets. Yeah. So Kiplan had gone missing and after they found the letters from

Sarah they called her hoping maybe Kiplan's letters to Sarah could shed some light on where she was or what happened to her. She said that police thought that maybe she would have said something about running away or maybe even talked of someone in those letters at school who is like giving her a hard time but Sarah said she went through hundreds of letters and there was just nothing just like typical teenage girl stuff and none of it pointed to any trouble in her life that would be big enough to cause her to run away and there was no mention of anyone that Kiplan was afraid of or had troubles with.

So to have one of our listeners be this close with a victim like this I was immediately intrigued and wanted to share with all of you Kiplan Davis's story and here's where the story begins. Kiplan lived with her family in Spanish Forks Utah which is a very small predominantly Mormon town with a good sense of community. Kiplan was a social butterfly one of the kinds of kids who loves going to school but only because she gets to go there and socialize for eight hours and then after. She actually joined the drama club and she would participate in a number of ways in the plays whether it was like helping with

rehearsal or the set or lights or whatever and she was just two months shy of her sweet 16 when this story takes place on Tuesday May 2nd of 1995. That morning Kiplan's alarm goes off at 4 30 in the morning and Kiplan is taking a driver's ed class that starts before school so she has to be up super super early. I'm like a full grown adult and I find it really hard to wake up at 4 30 in the morning so like many teenagers would do that morning when her alarm goes off she hits the snooze button. By the time five o'clock rolls around her dad notices that she isn't up and ready to roll so he goes into her room and

wakes her up. She begs to stay home and skip class saying that's literally it's just one class it won't make a difference and since she's already slept she's gonna be late anyways like I've made that argument but her dad is like no way one class turns into two you have to keep this commitment you're going to class and this makes her super pissed she doesn't have time to do her makeup she's gonna be late she's tired I know it's been a while since I was 16 but I can vividly remember the feeling of just starting the day and having no control over my own decisions and being told what to do. Yeah I mean you feel like your

whole world is crashing down because of this one decision that you don't have the authority to make. Yeah it's like a very dramatic time in your life and coupled out with being tired I would have been a huge beat that day so when she gets into the car she has all of her stuff she goes to meet her mom and her mom's the one that's gonna drive her to school she gets in the car and Kiplen is just crying and her mom doesn't even ask why and now that I'm closer to mom age than I am to teenager age I get that too like we remember what it's like it's all drama over nothing so she just let her calm down it'll be a new day by

the time school's over and she sees her so she stops crying by the time she drops her off like everything seems to be fine they say goodbye and she walks off and goes into school mom goes about her day dad goes about his day and no one notices that anything is off until 3 30 in the afternoon Kiplen's dad gets home and Kiplen isn't there she's always home by 3 30 he could set his watch by it so the first thing he does is check the family's answering machine thinking maybe she left a message for him saying that she'll be home late something came up after school who knows but that's what he checks he hits play

on the answering machine and his heart sinks there's a message but it's not from Kiplen her school called to let her parents know that she didn't show up for any of her classes after lunch he immediately feels like something is wrong because even though it was 1995 they actually all had cell phones so if Kiplen had to leave or something happened she would have called and told her parents she wasn't the kind to just play hooky and and run away and he has no idea what's going on he calls Kiplen's mom they both kind of wait in pace and by 5 o'clock when they still haven't heard anything from her they

start calling around to her friends and as they're getting a hold of them one by one they're finding that no one remembers seeing her after lunch they go to the high school around 7 or 7 30 to see if maybe she's still there for some reason even though she skipped her classes and there was no one there who had seen her she isn't there herself so they go then check out her church maybe she stopped by there but again they come up empty and they're running out of ideas and they're running out of places to check so finally that evening they call the cops so she's been missing for seven eight hours by now and they

haven't called the police yet yeah I get it but there's something about calling the police that makes it really real everyone believes that bad things won't happen to them you know like you're the exception to the rule and at the end of the day it's just gonna be some misunderstanding and calling the cops like they have to basically say they believe something bad happened to her but they do get to that point where they can't hide it from themselves anymore and they know something bad has happened so they need help when the police get contacted their first response is that it's probably not a big deal

Kiplen probably went off with some friends maybe a boy she was actually super pissed around that time at her parents because she had been asked out a couple of times and they told her she couldn't date until she was 16 so maybe she was off with a boy they don't do any heavy searches but they put out a be on the lookout they can't do that much more that evening well Kiplen's parents can't just sit at home and wait they need to keep busy so they keep contacting Kiplen's friends and they finally get in touch with one of her friends named Eli Eli says that he saw her shortly before lunch with a senior guy named Chris who's

in the drama club with her Eli says he isn't a huge fan of Chris which doesn't help put Kiplen's parents mind at ease Chris also is mentioned in Kiplen's journal which they had gone through to see if that could give them any clues she said that she had given him a hug and her kiss and even though it's not super juicy they think maybe Chris knows something and he's at least a good place to start so they go to Chris's house on the other side of town and when Kiplen's dad knocks on the door the only person home is Chris's sister she tells them that Chris hasn't been home since before school and he's likely still at school

because he's setting up for a play and he often often stays really late to like 10 or 11 at night so her dad goes back to the school and by this time it's like 10 10 30 at night and there's no one there the doors are locked he doesn't see anyone moving around inside and this makes him even more concerned and alarmed at the fact that Chris's sister is either lying or she doesn't know where he is but he's MII as well just like his daughter yeah that would make me you super suspicious I'd probably go right back to Chris's house and be like okay not there what's next I'll sit here until he shows up right well her dad had

the same idea he can't let go of this feeling that something's wrong and Chris might be with her so he goes back to Chris's house on the other side of town and it's after midnight at this point when he gets there and there's a light on in his house so he knows someone has to be up and there's a car in the drive way that he recognizes it's the car of a former classmate of Kiplen's named Rucker who from what I could tell was about the same age as Chris but had possibly dropped out of school so people are obviously home they're likely up and there's someone over whose friends with Chris but doesn't live there and just a

little side note from what I picked up online I think Rucker may have asked Kiplen out before she had gone missing he was one of a couple of guys who had asked her out and like I said she wasn't allowed to date so her dad sees his car sees this Chris guy that she gave a hug to and kind of thinks even more like my gosh I hope she wasn't out with these boys behind her back maybe that's why she hasn't been in contact but he does something that I don't understand and he just drives away just leaves it there just knows they're in the house knows that they might have information he could at least talk to them and leaves

yeah her dad said like when he was interviewed about this said listen it's small-town Utah there are certain manners that you have that dictate how you act and even a crisis knocking on someone's door after 10 is just something you don't do that's their personal time I'm gonna come back to one of our crime junkie rules and twist it a little bit this is a great opportunity to be rude yes yes listen I feel the same way I have a very in-your-face personality and I mean I'm dull I'm all about being weird I'm all about being rude and this is what I was saying before when it comes to your safety or the safety of your

loved ones you're allowed to ignore your manners and I don't want to judge them I'm sure that not going into the house that night eats away at them every single day of their life and they don't need some know-it-all a-hole from Indiana telling them you know what they should have done because what I've also learned from all these cases that we've researched is it's super easy to say what you would have done but you never ever know how you're gonna actually react when you're in that situation and again I can kind of see them wanting to play it down like have that hope that oh my she's just being a rebellious teenager

nothing bad is really happening I'm overreacting so her dad goes home and the next morning when Kiplen still hasn't turned up they finally get some help from the police at 7 30 in the morning on May 3rd 1995 the school resource officer who's also a sergeant in the police department starts going around to all of the classes and making an announcement that anyone who knows anything whether you've seen it heard it had a freaking dream about it you need to come forward to help us find Kiplen at this point he really doesn't believe an outsider was involved it's way more likely that Kiplen went with somebody

that she knew and they were gonna start there first he looks at Chris first because his actions have been you know kind of fishy as hell and he knows that he isn't a great student he has some attendance issues but when he goes to talk to him during his social studies class Chris isn't nervous at all he admits to being with Kiplen when Eli saw them together before lunch and he said that he spent their lunch hour in the auditorium practicing some dance moves but then he didn't see her and then he was back in all of his classes that afternoon he said that after school he was in the auditorium again setting up

for the play and he was there until way late in the evening because he's a stage hand and does all the sets he tells the officer that he works really late and not necessarily like while they're having play practice so that would explain why maybe her dad came and didn't see a bunch of kids because he's the one setting up the set he really can't do that if there's a bunch of people on this stage and because of his weird hours he has a key to the school so he could have very well been there even if the place looked locked up and empty so Chris's official story is that he was at the school until about 11 o'clock but

he wasn't alone he said that two of his friends one Rucker and one Tim came to visit and helped him set up the lights and then they kind of just tossed a football around in the auditorium so technically he has an alibi yes technically I mean his alibi is just these two other guys but one thing that I kind of keep coming back to is when Kiplen's dad went to Chris's house he recognized Rucker's car his truck immediately and I don't know how big this school is or what the parking lot looked like but one thing that I would love to know is you would think that if all these guys were in the auditorium

and Rutgers one of the guys there with him later in the evening you think Kiplen's dad would have seen his truck that he obviously knows in that parking lot either way they take Chris's statement and they let him go back to class because without Kiplen or without any evidence they can't do anything with him yet and even though he might not be a model student the resource officer looks into his past he doesn't have anything violent in his background that would make the resource officer believe he would do something bad to Kiplen what they can do though while they're waiting is they go to these other guys who are

his alibis and they check out Chris's story with them the two of them though say the exact same thing they visit Chris at the auditorium they throw around the football the end and even though they're verifying each other's alibis there really isn't any way to prove what they're saying I love the 90s just as much as you but when it comes to investigations let's be honest they suck yeah there's never any video or cell towers to ping off of or anything to really track down a person and verify their location truly she might as well have gone missing on Little House of the Prairie because all of all of the

evidence they have all the alibis they have are pretty much just based on people's word so they have these guys that they don't feel great about but they can't prove anything meanwhile they're making announcements every single day multiple times a day over the loudspeaker at school and they keep pushing these kids for info because they know there's likely someone out there who's heard or knows something but kids kind of suck and they don't want to talk to like police or authority or rat anyone out while they're digging around they find something interesting that day that she disappeared a kid named

Brandon had asked her to go out that weekend and even though she isn't allowed to date she had actually told him yes because she had a major crush on him well the same day that he asked her out he had come up to her right before a fourth period when she had skipped school to tell her listen I'm sorry I can't take you out anymore apparently he was kind of seeing someone else she got wind of it and squashed it so police are wondering though okay maybe he went out with her anyways maybe they skip class to be together because when they look at his attendance records they find out that Brandon also skipped the

exact same classes and as police dig into his records they find out that he had actually tried to have his girlfriend change his attendance record to cover his tracks but she wasn't able to so he was gone and tried to cover it up that's a huge red flag yes and no like even if he even if something had not happened to Kiplan I could see why you want to try and cover up the fact that you skipped school but either way it looks bad I mean he's one of the only kids who had the exact same attendance record as Kiplan that day so police go to talk to him and he says he has no clue what happened to her he admits that he

left class to try to find her and apologize for canceling because he felt really bad but he couldn't find her so he just ends up ditching school he says he even says that his alibi is on the way home he got a flat tire and had to call his friend to come out and help him change it well when they check this with a friend his friend says this never happened and even when they confront Brandon with this he sticks to the same story and police kind of chalk it up to his misremembering his days even though they don't love his story or the fact that he has no alibi it's kind of the same situation with Chris and Rutger and

Tim they can't prove anything so they have to walk away from him and just keep this info in their back pocket the one thing though that the school resource officer said is when he was interviewing him Brandon he said seemed really innocent he was really quick with all of his responses he was confident and he feels like he wasn't hiding anything and a little side note I learned a fun trick at this conference I went to a couple of weeks ago where this woman there is this body language expert and she's basically a human lie detector and I'm obsessed with her I want to be her but one tip she gave us is if you want

to catch somebody in a lie the easiest thing to do is ask them to tell you their story backwards they can tell it forward like boom boom boom they'll give you a count of their day because that's how they practice telling it like in chronological order but apparently if you ask somebody to like just okay now walk me through the day backwards it totally trips them up and I had never heard that before but I'm dying to try it on somebody yeah that's really interesting yeah I have no clue if police use this trick but it's just a fun tip that I thought I'd share with you anyways Kiplen's case is grinding to a

halt because they aren't finding hurt they aren't finding anything that would lead police to a crime scene just nothing and the police end up holding a major press conference to announce that the FBI are joining the team to help out and everyone thinks surely once the big guns step in this case is going to be solved but time continues to drag on for weeks and then months before they know it a year has passed and even though police and the FBI are digging through tips nothing has panned out that is until one day when Kiplen's dad gets a knock on his door and it's Chris and he opens the door and Chris says I need to

get something off of my chest he did it not what he says no he knows who did it and still not what he says he knows where her body is no he comes over to her dad's house and what he wants to get off his chest is this he says I want you to know I had nothing to do with Kiplen's disappearance and Kiplen's dad immediately thinks this is super fishy like why are you coming to my house a year after my daughter goes missing to say you have to get it off your chest that you didn't do anything to her he starts putting the pressure on him to tell him what do you know like you can't hide what you've done forever tell me

what happened to her and Chris just keeps saying he has no idea and he just eventually leaves well Kiplen's dad reports this encounter to the police and they admit that it's super weird so they decide to turn up the heat on these three boys who say that they were all together that night and one by one they're brought in for questioning and they even take polygraphs they start with Chris while he's hooked up to the machine they ask him did you have anything to do with Kiplen's disappearance and he says no and according to the polygraph he was being honest so the next person that they

bring in is Tim and this is where things get interesting before his polygraph they have him do a written statement thinking like most would that he's gonna write down the same thing that he's been saying for the last year that these kids were together they were throwing the football nothing happened right well he puts pen to paper and he admits to seeing Kiplen after school that day and he said that Rucker and Kiplen and him were all together and they all went to Spanish Fort Canyon and when they got up there Tim waited in the car and said that Rucker and Kiplen kind of walked over this hillside

together and when Rucker came back Kiplen wasn't with him and when he asked him about this he said listen just don't worry about it what yeah police are stunned they've never heard any account even close to this so he's basically telling them that two people were there one came back Kiplen has to be somewhere in the canyon and one of them had to have done something to her well when they start pressing him on his story he just closes off he shuts down wads up the paper throws it in the trash and then he's asked for a lawyer and just won't speak again can't they arrest him for that like for the story at least not with

what they have it like wasn't a full confession he didn't have a lawyer there it wouldn't hold up in court literally all they can do at this point is take that piece of paper out of the trash add it to his file and try and verify anything that he said so the first thing they do to try and do that is they confront Rucker with this story and while he sucked up to the polygraph they confront him with the story and he swears it's a lie swears he had nothing to do with it and he passes his polygraph as well so if they can't get anyone to talk their best bet then is finding some physical evidence that links Tim's

story to like being true the police along with Kiplen's family along with volunteers and along with a dog team all go to that canyon and they launch a massive search they have full excavating equipment digging up dirt they have volunteers like sifting the dirt they're running the dogs through everything but they find absolutely nothing no sense no bones nothing comes up and at this point the family has Kiplen declared legally dead and they do a small memorial with a headstone because they felt like this is the closest to closure that they're gonna have without bringing her home and nothing happens again for

years again she went missing in 1995 and it's not until 2002 when Kiplen's dad gets an idea on how to push his daughter's case forward he hears about the Elizabeth smart case and in that instance the state government got all caught up in a legal battle about the mental health of Elizabeth's kidnapper and whether or not he could actually be tried so nothing was happening the case wasn't moving forward well Elizabeth smarts family went to the federal courts and had the federal courts convene a grand jury to indict him and they were able to get the case to trial federally that way so Kiplen's dad thinks okay

maybe this is an option for us too so he starts writing letters to everyone police DA's congressman and eventually it pays off because they all agreed to bring a grand jury together and present all that's the circumstantial evidence that they have but there's not that much do they have more after all these years no but there are two things that they didn't have before one is lying under oath is a whole different kind of punishment than just lying to a cop it's way more severe and they think that maybe this will pressure the guys to actually tell the truth or give more information than they have in the past

the second thing is by the time they actually bring this to a grand jury it's been eight years later so all these kids that were kids are now grown up and have families of their own and many are willing to talk when they wouldn't before and so much time has passed that stories are coming to light about strange interactions people had with the boys that maybe points to their guilt really like what well they listened to testimony for two years and some of the weird stories that they heard were like for example one person said that the time that police did those polygraphs and Tim threw Rucker under the bus right

after that Rucker was seen threatening Tim for dropping his name which again people would think you wouldn't do if you really had nothing to do with it I think I would yell at somebody if they were dropping my name even if I didn't that's a pretty crappy thing to do another story they heard that they had never heard before is Chris's wife comes forward and she said one day they're sitting down having a movie night and they're watching so I married an axe murderer great movie and she looks over at Chris and says you know what's the worst thing you've ever done in your life and he turns to her and said what if

I told you I murdered Kiplan Davis and her face just drops and as soon as he sees her reaction he's like no no no I'm just kidding but it's something that always stuck with her um yeah definitely yeah it's it's one of those things that I mean guys are dumb and they make bad jokes sometimes but it's it was a weird joke to make that's dark another story that came out was that Timmy was at a party years before this grand jury testimony and something came on the TV about Kiplan and he blurted out that he knew where she was he was the one that did it and she got what she deserved and two separate people heard

this account and both these people testified to this and there were more stories I mean mostly against Tim people had lots of stories about Tim he's saying he confessed drunk or sober he said he would tell people he knew how to get rid of bodies and that he'd done it before and he would name different places to all these different people saying where he buried her like for example one of the stories he told was that he and this other person who he wouldn't name were all together and Tim got in a fight with Kiplan this other person walked away and then he killed her and put her in his truck and then

moved it right then and there well all three men now grown take the stand and even though all of these people are saying stories about them knowing what happened or having something to do with it they stick to their same story but the judge decides there's enough evidence to charge them all with lying to the grand jury the majority of the testimony was against him so he's charged with 15 counts of perjury and sentenced to 12 and a half years in federal prison Chris only gets five years and Rucker only gets four how clearly whatever these guys did they were in it together right yeah but

unfortunately that's how the justice system works it's all about what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt and there are so many local cases I know about where they know exactly who did it how they did it why they did it but they just don't have enough to go to court so nothing happens but perjury is just the beginning in this case they do feel like now that they have these perjury charges now that they have all of this grand jury testimony they feel like they have enough to charge at least Chris and Tim with murder at a state level now their theory of the crime when they took this to court was that Tim

killed her and Chris was an accessory Chris pleads no contest to obstruction justice so he gets a plea deal with no extra time what I know Tim ends up taking a deal to in order to avoid trial knowing that he had a line of people ready to testify against him all over so his plea deal is basically he takes responsibility for some part of Kiplen's death but he said that he just witnessed the crime and helped her move his body his official statement in the plea was that another person he one other person in Kiplen were all together and this other person walked off into the canyon with Kiplen and after they

didn't come back for like 35 40 minutes he went looking for them and when he found them this other person struck her across the right side of her head with a rock Kiplen fell and then he saw the other person strike her on the right side again in the head with the rock then he says that he approached this other person asked what was going on and the person says listen like don't worry about it just help me move the body and at this point Kiplen was at least unconscious and Tim said that he didn't know whether she was dead or not so they move her body underneath a line of trees they returned to their vehicle

and this second person and him just like left the area neither of them got help for her and the two later returned that evening to move Kiplen's body with this other person's vehicle and at the time when they came back they said it was really apparent that she was dead this other person it's got to be one of the boys right yeah so that's the thing is he no one knows for sure he won't say it's most likely Chris or Rucker most every statement I've ever heard is about the two of them and that Chris and Tim were the only two that got charged with murder charges but Rutgers the one that has the vehicle that kept getting

seen Rucker and Tim are the ones that weren't in school so I don't know like he I don't know why he won't say who this other person is it's a total mystery I go back and forth between you know whether it was Chris or Rucker myself and even under oath none of them are saying where where her body is no a part of the plea deal that Tim took and that the DA and Kiplen's family agreed to as long as he pled guilty is that he wouldn't have to give them any kind of location and he didn't have to name this individual that helped him or did the act everything is very vague Kiplen's father I felt so bad for him he literally begged Tim for

answers he even offered to help Tim like I he said I will be your biggest advocate if you will just tell me where my daughter is but Tim never would so how much more time did Tim get added to his sentence okay that's the sickening part because of this plea deal and he was only pleading guilty to felony manslaughter which holds a sentence of like one to 15 years but those years run concurrently with his already 12 and a half year sentence so even if they give him the max at 15 he only has to serve a couple of more years in prison Tim's story was still different every time though right every single time and not like even in

trial in his grand jury testimony in the written statement statement that he gave police and every time someone came to the witness stand with a story about what he said it was different every time where he buried her was different where how he killed her was different who killed her was different so I think that's what leaves still so many questions around this case even though people are and have been arrested there's a big mystery because I I don't feel like anyone's telling the truth and I I have to believe that police know more than me and what they've released on the internet but the police and the

family feel really sure that it is these three men but what I have to wonder is they got such stellar deals like plea deals for pleading guilty that it would it would be stupid to take it to trial like if you're already serving 12 and a half years and you basically can serve the time for this other thing at the same time and not risk of going to trial why not just take the plea deal and if you're Chris and they're gonna give you no extra time for pleading guilty why not just do it even if you had nothing to do with it so there's a small part of me that kind of wonders if these kids may have been telling the truth and they

were just like all along being dumb dumb boys who were like trying to tell scary stories or be big men when they had nothing to do with it there were five actually five men in total who were charged with perjury but these two other guys don't really come up a lot and no one seems to think they had anything to do with it the one thing I will say is when this grand jury testimony happened eight years after the disappearance they were able to find out that the night the guys said that they were tossing around this football in the auditorium there was some kind of choir concert going on so there actually would have been no

way they would have been there so there's a big hole in their alibi it's definitely pointing to them and I can see why everyone keeps coming back to them even though they won't tell you know give the family closure and say where the body is it's so twisted to admit that you are involved or you helped or you did it but not give the family the closure of where the body is what actually happened who actually was involved it's just seems excessively cruel on top of you know this really tragic thing that happened to them I agree I that's what I can't figure out either is is it something that he's like

keeping for himself like a very personal and like is it he's just kind of a messed up dude and he's keeping that for himself or again I kind of go back to it like what if there's a slim chance that it wasn't them and he can't tell them where the body is because he has no idea the one question I have to that I think itches my brain over and over is I no one ever talks about why Kipling left school that day was she going to meet Tim and Rucker who weren't in school how did she decide to meet up with them in the middle of the day why would she have gone off with them did she like one of them to me that is kind

of one of the biggest questions around all of this is when did all this happen and why did Kipling leave with these men if she did yeah what triggered that decision was it I mean it could be just as simple as she was still mad that she had to go to school in the first place right and depending on how the parole goes and their behavior Chris is already out of jail Rutgers out of jail Tim is actually could be released very very soon so I would hope that someday if it was him he would grow conscious and give Kipling's family some closure if you all want to see any pictures of people we talked about in today's episode you can

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think Chuck do you approve so Brit before we jump into our prepped of the month I have to tell you about a call that I got today from my sister and she did not follow any of the rules that we give her on crime junkie and it was just so weird I had to share it so she calls me and she's like you know I came into work and I pulled up and there is this old guy just sitting in his car and his car is parked you know how the lines say they're horizontal well he's parked vertical over like three spaces right in front of her door oh good totally normal yeah right so she's immediately like gets chills down her spine and that is the

feeling I'm talking about you have to listen to and so she kind of walks around him and just goes directly into the office and is like doing work in there and keeps checking and he doesn't get out of his car he doesn't do anything he is just sitting there so finally she has to go out and like do her rounds on the property so before she goes out she asked this guy can I help you with anything like do you have a unit here what's going on she works out like a storage unit facility and this old guy is like super creepy and is saying like no you know I've I've lost my wallet will you help me find my wallet

and she's I said you know it gets worse and the guy is like I don't know like do you know where your wallet be like I think it's in the trunk can you open my trunk and see if you can find my wallet in my trunk and I scream no no no and Alyssa goes I know but I did it and I was my god thinking she's like I like I had terrible feelings about this guy she's like I didn't I don't know what made me do it and she's like but he said that his leg was hurt and so that's why he couldn't do it and he like wasn't getting out of the car okay Ted Bundy exactly Ted Bundy and she's like I know everything I did was totally wrong I

couldn't I couldn't stop myself but she's like I just kind of like peeked it open didn't see it closed it and I told him that and then this next part I think is crazy because she's like but what I did is I recorded him on my phone and I'm like why and she was like I don't know like just in case like something happened like I wanted him recorded and it made me think of the Delphi case yeah because I get like like none of it makes sense to her I go what what if he would have done something that recording isn't gonna save your life that recording doesn't do anything to help you and she's like I know but somehow it

just made me feel safe it seemed right so I kind of understand and it means exactly what I thought happened before with these girls but it's so weird to think that you are actually scared and your first reaction isn't to call the police she's like you know I don't want to bother the police and I'm like Alyssa you are a tax-paying citizen that is what they're there for such a Midwestern answer though like oh I'll be fine don't bother I know so he ended up like sticking around she did end up calling the police nothing bad happened but it's just like it goes to show you that even no matter how much we say of people when

you're in the situation it can be intimidating to be weird and be rude luckily she's still alive and hopefully she will do better next time oh my god did you yell at her for this oh I screamed at her I was like what were you thinking like we couldn't like I would have never known who this guy was you would have your phone but that doesn't help me I was like if this guy sketching you out like call the police or lock yourself in your office or lock yourself in your office and call a co-worker like literally there was a thousand other things you could have done but what the thing you did we just don't look in the

guy's trunk like in my mind he's gonna like knock you over stuff you in his trunk and then we never see you again yeah that's exactly what he would have done oh my god oh my god I know so my heart was like racing today I gave her good scolding like a big sister scolding and I think next time she will do better so on to profit of the month so the consensus from our survey that we did was 90% of people really wanted us to keep this in some form like half the people voted prepped of the week the other half said let's just try prepped of the month to make everyone happy so we're gonna try a monthly schedule for

a while and see how it goes and we're gonna keep them at the end of every episode when we do them so for those of you who don't want to hear about an adorable furry best friend you can turn off the show and it won't ruin your crime for the month of March we are gonna be talking about Amy Larson's dogs and she has three so I kind of cheated a little bit even though we're really doing it once a month I picked three dogs and it's Corbin Ivy Bean and Elvis and Elvis and Ivy Bean are both herds they're German shepherds and Corbin is a German

shepherd as well but he is actually a foster pup who's up for adoption so I'm gonna give you a quick scoop on Elvis and Ivy Bean and then I'll spend most of the time talking about the adorable Corbin who needs a forever home Elvis is a four-year-old black and tan German shepherd dog he's high energy ball obsessed and she says he's slightly neurotic but he's loyal and loving and just an all-around good boy and he loves morning snuggles his greenball is his favorite thing in the world he loves playing frisbee and she says she loves him almost as much as her kid which I totally get her other dog Ivy Bean is

almost five-year-old black German shepherd and she has like the sweetest adoption story someone who owned her before dropped her out of a car at a gas station as a puppy so she ended up adopting her yes she's laid back she's stubborn much like my dog Charlie and she says she's totally her 12-year-old daughter's dog she hasn't quite grown into her ears yet and I'll post pictures on the website if you guys want to see her but she doesn't care about toys at all unless her brother Elvis wants them then she does so the dog that she has this up for adoption is Corbin he's an eight-year-old black lab German

shepherd and he's lived as a part of Amy's family for 10 months while they look for his special family he's a total goofball you can't leave socks on the floor because he'll take them but he just loves to eat and lounge around and watch TV but he will never ever turn down a walk which again sounds exactly like Charlie and Amy said she would keep him in a heartbeat but she couldn't if she did keep him she couldn't help save other prephets and it truly takes a special person to be a foster mom foster mom to pets and I don't think a lot of people that knows about you Brit but you're a foster mom to humans too I'm

I've been a foster parent for two and a half years and it's hard and amazing and I cannot imagine doing it with dogs because I get attached to humans and I get really attached to dogs yeah I think it takes I would love to do it but Eric won't let me because he knows I can't and so that's why I donate money and time to different organizations that take care of animals because it's such a big heart you have to have to take care of some some dogs some people take them in your home love them like they're your own but then also give them to someone else who's gonna give them a forever home so she wants to be able to

do that for more dogs which is why she's putting him up for adoption and he doesn't do cats or small dogs but he does really well with other big dogs and he's available for adoption through the Missouri German Shepherd Rescue their website is mogsrescue.org and you can find them on Facebook the organization was founded because in 2011 German Shepherds were declared the number two homeless dogs in America and it continues unabated tens of thousands of German Shepherds are dumped and killed each year and even though they're a hundred percent volunteer and everyone has full-time jobs and families they

devote tens of thousands of hours and dollars every year to saving the lives of these German Shepherd dogs so if you love German Shepherds or you just love preppits in general consider going to mogsrescue.org and donating to their organization and if you're in Missouri and you're in need of a preppit yourself go on their website and take a look at Corbin and see if maybe you could give him a forever home.