Crime Junkie - MURDERED: Angela Mischelle Lawless
Episode Date: July 9, 2018In November 1992, Mischelle Lawless was found by passersbys deceased in her car with the headlights on and the vehicle still running. Police have spent decades trying to piece together what happened t...o Mischelle that night. Who would she have pulled over for? Where was she headed? And even though a man served 16 years for her murder the current sheriff is convinced they still have not captured Mischelle's killer and it could all be tied back to the man... or men... who initially found her car. For current Fan Club membership options and policies, please visit https://crimejunkieapp.com/library/. Sources for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/murdered-angela-mischelle-lawless/  Â
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All right, Britt today
I'm telling the story of a girl named Angela Michelle Lawless
And our story starts in the early morning hours of november 8th 1992
Shortly before 125 a.m. To be exact in the small town of Benton, Missouri
A couple is driving down the highway when they see a car pulled over with its headlights on
The car is running and the dome light is on
When the couple sees this car they pull up beside it and the husband offers to get out and check
But his wife insist that he doesn't and I feel like maybe she had some crime junkie instincts because
All of this scene feels really wrong. Yeah, definitely, right?
So when they pull up they didn't see anything specific
It just felt weird. So they decide the safest thing to do isn't to go exploring hardy boy style and do their own investigation
But they go straight to the sheriff's office and report the car to police
When they get to the sheriff's office, there's a reserve officer working at the time named rick walter along with another officer named
Roy Moore
And they're just about getting off their shift. So the two decide to go check out the car themselves
Rick walter pulls up and parks in front of the six-year-old burgundy buick
And the scene is nothing like what he expected to find
He finds that the vehicle hasn't been abandoned at all
Inside the car is a girl slumped over in the driver's seat
His partner that's with him Roy Moore popped the door open with two fingers
And the two men shouted a couple of times trying to like wake this person up. They thought maybe she was drunk
Maybe she's sleeping, but they get no response
Then rick walter shines his light in trying again to maybe startle the person or see what's going on
And they think for sure. Yeah, this couple's right. This girl's just passed out the driver's drunk
Until they see the blood
Lots and lots of blood
The girl didn't appear to be breathing. So rick walter radios in for an ambulance at 129 in the morning
While he's making this call another person comes in to report this scene to the sheriff station
A man named mr. Abbott arrives and tells the officer that he found a white female
In a vehicle down by the Benton exit off the highway
Now when I say mr. Abbott you might be picturing an older man
Maybe someone who could be like a dad, but this was actually kind of a young guy
Maybe michelle's age or slightly older in his early 20s like tops
Mr. Abbott says there was blood everywhere and she had been shot
At first mr. Abbott says that he told the officer
He thought that maybe she was drunk like the other people had thought
And he said that he leaned through the window, which he said was rolled down all of the way
And he grabbed the girl by the waist trying to sit her up when he saw all of the blood
And at the time that he's reporting this they're obviously getting the same call about the same thing from one of their own officers
So since they didn't see any blood on this man
They don't hold him for questioning and the man leaves the station
Back at the scene rick walter and roi moore are taking in more of the scene as they wait for help
And here's what they observe and all of this is going to be super important later
The driver's side window was rolled down five to seven inches
The victim who they identify to be a woman doesn't appear to be wearing any rings
She just had socks on her feet and her shoes were somewhere else in the car
And it looked like there was grass and weeds on the bottom of her socks
So they're thinking that she had gotten out of her car at some point
And to back this up there appeared to be drops of blood outside of her vehicle
About the time the first responder comes responding to rick walters call
He checks for a pulse, but there is none
However, her body is still warm and clammy so they know that she had to have died shortly before they arrived
This first responder also takes note of the girl's grassy socks and the blood outside of the car
That's when they follow this trail
And it appears that at some point their victim had actually been outside of her car
And had gone over a guardrail down a grassy embankment and at the bottom
Was a bloody scene where they believe that she was severely beaten and hit over the head
They could tell this not only from the scene but from her wounds
What wasn't obvious at first though
But becomes clear after officers take a harder look at the car
Was that the girl had not only been covered in blood from her two blunt force trauma wounds
But when they took a closer look walter notices spent shell casings
And that's when he realized that she had actually been shot
So what they piece together and what they think happened is that this girl was driving down the highway
And they think that someone
Somehow got her to pull over there was nothing wrong with her car
So their best guess is that it was someone that she knew
Or someone that got her attention and would make her feel comfortable enough to pull to the side of the road near the exit
And there had to have been some kind of altercation
That either made her run down the ramp or maybe she followed someone down that grassy embankment
But there is where she was beaten and they think that she was likely
Hit over the head a couple of times and knocked unconscious and then carried back up over the hill
Over the guardrail put back in her car
Where either she was shot while unconscious or some people believe that maybe she regained consciousness
And this is what scared the person they shot her three times point blank range once in the face
Once in the back of her head and once in her back while they are processing the scene roymor sees a white car
a hatchback or station wagon
Coming towards him and this person actually comes up and he's driving by really slow, which is creepy
So roy stops the car and the driver speaks spanish and asks where he might be able to get some gas
So he directs him basically says everything's closed right now. Dude. Just like go home
Just minutes after this first encounter roy sees another vehicle pass by
Then loop around and a man actually approaches roy directly and roy says, you know, can I help you?
And this man asks is she dead? Oh my god
And roy's like, what are you talking about?
Like this guy doesn't isn't supposed to know anything about the scene and he said the girl
I'm the one that found the girl and this man goes on to tell roymor that he was mr. Abbott
And he tells him about how he had gone into the sheriff station to report finding the body
But actually going to the police wasn't his first move. He kind of tells roy a slightly different story
He says that he had come upon the scene
Tells the same story about finding her reaching in the window trying to help her up realizing she was shot
So then he says he drives to a nearby payphone tries to call 911
But for some reason the phone didn't work or he couldn't get through
So that's when he drove into the station
Roy Moore actually calls in to verify this story and he asked the person in the sheriff's office
If he wanted the guy to come back in and he said no, you know, we got everything we need from him
You can let him go too
As they continue their investigation, they find that the victim is 19 year old college student
Angela Michelle Lawless, but she goes by Michelle
The first stop they make is around 3 a.m to Michelle's parents house where they have to make the notification
And start to try and piece together Michelle's last known movements
Who might have wanted to hurt her?
Who was she acquainted with who was she hanging out with that night?
And here's what they learn about Michelle and what she did in the evening hours of november 7th and the early morning hours of november 8th
At around 7 p.m
Michelle is hanging out and cruising around with friends
Around midnight she drops her friend off at home and she tells her friend that she plans to go home too
Now we know for sure she doesn't go home because she ends up murdered on the side of the road at 1 30 in the morning
But we also know for sure that she isn't murdered on her way home because her body was still warm when officers arrived on the scene
So we know that she had to have gone somewhere else
And according to her on again off again boyfriend of three years named Leon
Michelle was at his house during that missing time and he said she came over around midnight
They had sex and then she left around 1 a.m
Now Michelle and Leon were on again and off again because like a they were teenagers and like woof dating was the worst in high school
But not for all of us. Yeah, not for all of us who married our high school sweethearts, but woof
So apparently though they would also fight a lot and he would get especially angry or jealous if he saw her hanging out with other guys
So even if it was just friends, I mean it caused a ton of fights
So that's why they were so tumultuous on again off again
Leon told the police this about their relationship
But police also confirmed this story from Michelle's diaries that they were on again off again
But she did really love him. So again according to Leon around 1 a.m
Michelle leaves and as she's leaving she says again to him that she's
Going straight home. He did say though that there was something in her that was reluctant to leave
Like she was kind of lingering and I don't know if that's just because she's 19 years old and hanging out with her boyfriend
Or if she knew she was heading somewhere else that she didn't want to go to
We know that by 1 25 in the morning Michelle's car is on the side of the road
And she is either mid attack or has already been attacked
Leon is given a polygraph and passes. So police continue to look for new suspects
All of Michelle's friends say that she didn't have an enemy in the world
She wasn't afraid of anyone before her death. So they felt like
They had absolutely nothing to go off of this brings us to november 9th
They circle back and talk to the same guy that found her mr. Abbott
And things get a little wonky with Abbott
They interview him about that night his actions his movements and what he might have seen
And here's what he tells them. Well, here's what he tells them the first time
He walks them through finding Michelle again. He said I see the car
I pull over thought maybe she was drunk
And so I reached into the window to like grab her by her waist and help her up
And that's when I realized she's covered in blood and had been shot
And he said the scene was so bloody that he only knew she was a woman
Because she had all these rings on her hand. What didn't the responding officers notice that she wasn't wearing any rings?
Right, so a little bit of a red flag
And this time when he's telling the story he has something new to add
He says that as his truck was approaching the exit near Michelle's car
He saw a man who looked like a hitchhiker wearing a gray sweatshirt and light-colored jeans
Jump off into that ditch alongside Michelle's car. So this is where we get him saying like he has the first sighting of somebody
Not a half an hour later
He gives a more detailed statement to another deputy and in this version
He finds Michelle in the car
He had straight for the payphone at the small convenience store and the store is closed
But he tells police that he dialed 911 from the payphone anyways
And as he's doing so
A small white car rolled up and a man with dark complexion who he described as his spanish
Asked for a ride claiming he was out of fuel
So this kind of makes sense this version because you'll remember there was a guy that pulled up kind of matching that description
And talked to the officer Roy Moore
So police okay, maybe they can believe this one. Well when pressed
He said it was too dark to give any more detail about what this guy looked like and in another
Totally different statement to police
Abbott says that the car's interior was so dark
It was difficult to tell how many people were inside, but it could have been as many as six
So first there's this hitchhiker jumping over the guardrail
Then there's this hispanic guy who asked him for a ride near the scene
Then there's maybe six people in a car that he talks to
So there's a couple of things wrong with Abbott's statements or his ever changing statements
Things that stuck with rick walter for decades
And the first was his statement to that deputy the first time that he went in saying he found a woman who had been shot
Now when rick walter went to the scene, he remembers saying that, you know, I had no idea what happened to her
I thought she was beat. She was so bloody. I had no idea. She had been shot until we found those shell casings
So he thinks it's strange that this person who had little to no interaction with her would have known her cause of death
The second thing that he finds really strange about his statements is the fact about the window
So when the police officers the deputies pulled up to the scene the window was only rolled down five to seven inches
Abbott's telling them the window was rolled down enough that he actually got his body into the car and tried to pick her up by the waist
So he's saying that if he actually did put his body in the car
He would have broken the glass there wasn't enough room
And it wouldn't have made sense that the window was rolled down and then he rolled it back up
So that's not flying either
And then the third thing was exactly what you pointed out those rings
Mr. Abbott said that he only knew it was a woman because of her rings, but if you remember from the beginning of the story
She wasn't wearing any and all of her rings were found in the center console of her car
So not only did this not make sense
But it would make someone think that maybe this mr. Abbott guy had seen michelle at some point that night with her rings on
Yeah, I'm with rick walter. There's a lot that doesn't add up here
Right, so he is got his eye on him. He doesn't feel right, but again, he's just a part-time deputy like on the reserves
He's not an official investigator. So this is not his case
Now the fourth thing I need to mention that is probably the
Wonkiest of all and why I keep using the word wonky, but the weirdest of all
And police knew about this confusion right away
But I wanted to get all the other facts out there first so no one was distracted by it
When mr. Abbott approached those deputies on the scene he introduces himself as mark Abbott
When police called into the deputy to verify his story about coming in to report the scene
The jailer there said the man identified himself as matt Abbott wait
Why would he give two different names? That doesn't make any sense because it was two different guys
Mark and matt Abbott are identical twins. What? Yes, and to this day
There is still a ton of confusion about who reported it. Who was actually on the scene
I guess these guys had a history of like taking each other's places when they were younger
They would like do each other's schoolwork or play pranks on people and one person would pretend to be someone that was actually the other
So no one is really buying their story
The the story that the boys are sticking to is that the whole time
Everything was mark and matt had nothing to do with it
But the deputy at the sheriff station says no, I wrote down matt Abbott. Why would I write like why would I write that down?
That's who he said he was
So this has just been a red flag the whole time of why are these two boys?
Both at the scene but not being honest about like I could even see one found her and like sent their brother
I mean, I think you could write this off pretty easily
But they're sticking to the story that everything was mark and it's just a red flag that I can't get rid of
And both of these boys did actually know michelle. They didn't know her well
But she had mentioned the boys to her friends saying she thought they were cute
And she had mentioned them in their diary. So it's possible
It's speculated that at some point she may have dated one of them
But it's not known for sure which one or when the deputies continue to look heavily at mark
And they do identify other suspects though
Her boyfriend for one who was last seen with her
A man named Todd Mayberry who michelle's friend saw her actually fighting with at a halloween party just a few weeks earlier
But none of these men could be conclusively linked to her murder
The officers bring mark back in again and have him take a polygraph
He gives yet another story about when he was making that 911 call
This time he talks about meeting that man who ran out of gas and needed a ride
But he says now that this is a man that he had met earlier that night at a party
He said he gave police that name just 10 days following the crime
But this man's name was never released
So I have to assume that he was cleared or more likely never existed because mark is bananas
The department continued to identify more people of interest
But a month into the investigation deputies still had not a single idea on what the motive would be
Or why she would have pulled over her car. I mean they had more questions and answers and even a month into the investigation
They didn't have a single
Prime suspect and four months pass before the sheriff's office gets the big break that they've been waiting for
Several inmates at a county jail say that there was a 17 year old boy from Illinois
Who was being held in a Missouri county jail very briefly on an assault charge and while he was there
Apparently he had confessed to killing michelle to these other inmates
And this boy's name was joshua keezer. This is huge for the investigators and the prosecutors
So they put together a photo lineup and they go back to mark abbott who's clearly like the most reliable witness
wink wink sarcasm. No, he's not
And this is the beginning of a lot that goes wrong in the case against josh
First, I mean the fact that they're going to mark at all when he's changed his story so much to me is crazy
But when they put this photo lineup together
They basically do one sheet and they tell mark that the person they think did it is in this lineup
And mark then picks out josh and says that he looks like it could be the guy that he saw in the car that night
Okay, I have to explain josh to you because I just realized this is audio and you can't see anything
josh is this like blonde hair blue eye
white boy
And he said that the guy he saw in the car was a dark-skinned hispanic man
I'm not sure why this like adds up to anyone ever
Yeah, I mean, I'm a light-skinned hispanic person. So like mistaking me for hispanic. Sure. That's what I am mistaking me for white
Sure, but not if you're blonde hair and blue light like I don't think anyone would mistake me for you exactly
So this statement though this lineup combined with the statements from the jailhouse informants is all police need
And they end up charging josh with michelle's murder
And everyone is stunned her friends her family never had heard josh's name before josh says he's never met her
They weren't friends. He isn't mentioned in her diaries and everyone feels just lost
Was she just at the wrong place at the wrong time and she ran into this stranger?
But that doesn't even really make sense because what they can't figure out is
Like something someone made her pull over and she wouldn't have pulled over
For a guy she'd never met before even the investigators that were first on the scene
Thought that she pulled over for someone she knew and she did not know josh
But in the sheriff's mind, this was a but a minute detail in the sheriff's mind josh fit the profile of a killer
He had an unstable home life
He would bounce from place to place sometimes even sleeping on the streets
And he had plenty of run-ins with the law by the time he found himself in the county jail at age 17
And by the time he is charged with her murder, he is only 18, but then can be charged as an adult
Now josh says there was no way he was anywhere near Missouri when michelle was murdered
He said he was 350 miles away in Illinois living with his dad at the time
But there wasn't any kind of video proof putting him in Illinois at the time
So the sheriff and the prosecutor charge him with the murder. They say, you know, we can't prove you were here
But we can't prove you were away
So that's really not a hang up for us
And when they go to trial josh is a little nonchalant about the whole thing because
In his mind, I mean, he's still a kid
He still probably believes in the justice system because growing up you think or at least some of us think that police are honest
And you think that the whole reason we have this justice system and prove an innocent until guilty is because that's how it actually works
And in his mind, there's no way he's going to get convicted of the murder of a girl
He had never met who was murdered in a town 350 miles away from where he was
Yeah, that reminds me a lot of damien eckles from the west Memphis three case
He was kind of nonchalant about his trial too. Yeah, it was I remember it being one of the things that actually the jury
Like convicted him on or like it added to everything was that they just didn't like him
They thought he wasn't taking the trial seriously
And when he was interviewed years later, he was like, of course, I didn't take it seriously
I thought like I had never met these boys. I didn't do anything
And I thought the justice system would realize that there was nothing tying me to these boys
So there's no way I'm going to go to prison for it. And it was just like all this
Act basically that we had to get through but the jury read it as no remorse cold-hearted
Yeah, and it flipped on him
So not only is josh feeling confident because he knows he didn't do it
There is actually evidence pointing away from him two other suspects that are used in the trial
There wasn't any prints of josh in her car. There was no motive by the prosecution for why josh would have killed her
There was no paper trail putting him in the state at the time of her murder
And the biggest thing of all I think there was blood under michelle's fingernails and the blood type did not match josh
Really it didn't match him and they still took it to trial, right? Does it match anybody?
Did they test it at the time? I'm not sure they were able to this was in 1994
So dna was really new and if one thing I've learned the more I've done this podcast
looked into wrongful convictions
A lot of times if you don't have honest prosecutors and you don't have honest detectives
They will actually choose not to test evidence if they think there's any chance that it's not going to point to their suspects
They consider it bad evidence
So I think that's what they did in this case
They tested it for a type to see if it matched josh and when it didn't they didn't push any further
Because they didn't want to know they had the guy they wanted to convict exactly
And they kind of tried to write it off being like well the dna the stuff under her fingernails
Doesn't have to be a result of defensive wounds like
Even if she was defending herself like she could have grabbed the guy's shirt
I mean the the stuff under her nails doesn't mean anything which to me is kind of crazy
I think the dna under your fingernails when you're murdered and she did have marks on her right hand and her wrist that were consistent
With defensive wounds. So we know she fought
This seems like a key piece of evidence to me definitely
So josh is thinking okay, not only is there no evidence pointing directly at me
There's also evidence that could be pointing at someone else
All they have at this point against josh is those jailhouse informants and mark avid's testimony that he saw him that night near the scene
and josh's lawyer was
Desperately trying to discount mark statement saying that he was quote holy unreliable as a witness which let's be honest
He legit was the worst
But he was able to testify anyway and the prosecution did present some evidence
They say is proof of a crime
They said that the jacket josh was wearing that night and the car that he had access to
Showed signs of blood when they did some luminal testing
But to me again, it still doesn't feel like strong enough evidence because it's not like
It they tested it and it was michelle's blood
They just said that there were some like spots that showed up
Their case to me was still really lacking
But just before the trial ends another witness comes forward and provides prosecution
Exactly what they need to put josh away
This witness provides a motive
A friend of michelle's named shantel comes forward with a story that is a very familiar story
shantel says that there was a man
At a halloween party that michelle was arguing with like todd mayberry
Well, no, so when investigators did their
Investigation they found that she fought with a todd mayberry at the halloween party
But shantel says now this man was actually josh that she fought with
She said that josh was at the party and he kept asking michelle out michelle kept saying no
And he got really ugly and it got heated and then he gives up on michelle comes up to shantel and asks her out
And shantel's like are you kidding me?
You've been asking my friend out all night and when she turns him down he slaps her on the back of the head
And even though this sounds super made up because there was someone before who said that guy wasn't josh
The prosecution is like this is what we are looking for finally a motive
So they are going to use it. They say okay. He was angry at michelle for rejecting him
He clearly is violent because he smacked shantel on the back of his head when he didn't get what he wanted
This is it and really it was the piece that they were missing
It was all they were missing and all the jury needed because with this new witness
The jury deliberated and found josh guilty of second degree murder and sentenced him to 60 years in prison
Literally the day after the trial was over
Another friend dawn who actually had hosted that halloween party
Read about shantel's testimony and came forward and was like nah, she spoke to josh's attorney
And said she knew everyone at her party and josh was not there
But it was too late to use her at this point and the case was over
So josh goes to prison
Sentenced to 60 years and he was sent to one of the deadliest prisons in america, which has now been closed
A few years after he had been in prison josh's mom happens to meet a private investigator named jim solans
He comes into a diner where she's serving as a waitress and they get to talking about her son
And how he's in prison for something he didn't do and this private investigator gives her his card probably just as like a nice gesture
And she shows up though weeks later at his office with boxes of materials
And when he looks at josh's case and this is 1997 now, he spent the first couple of months actually trying to prove
That he did it. He wanted to see what the prosecution saw
What did they know that makes so much sense that made them so sure of his guilt that they could send this kid to prison for 60 years?
And he's like i want to find this so i can show josh's mom and maybe put her mind to ease that maybe he's where he belongs
But he couldn't find it. Not only could he not find a single thing connecting josh to the murder
He couldn't find any proof that he had even been in missouri at all, which is what josh had been saying the whole time
Multiple family members in illinois remember seeing him the night of november 7th 1992
Less than two hours before michelle was murdered from where he was in illinois
It would have been physically impossible for him to get to michelle and kill her
Even if he had known her or had a motive which by the way, he still did not
This case was slowly eating away at the private investigator
He said it bothered him more than almost any other case he had worked
Because he couldn't make any kind of connection and he couldn't figure out why the sheriff would have focused in on this guy
With no motive and no connection to the crime when there were other suspects
eventually he packed up all of his research everything that he had gathered and
Turned over about 50 pounds of paperwork to the then governor
Basically pleading and saying listen you have somebody in jail who shouldn't be there
And the governor's office doesn't even dignify his efforts with a response
And he doesn't hear anything about his efforts until 2004 when he's contacted by a woman named jane
Who was a volunteer social worker in the prison where josh was housed?
She had gotten to know josh and taken an interest in his case and although she had no legal background
You didn't need one to see that this kid got a raw deal
So she actually works on his behalf to get a lawyer to take on josh's case pro bono
So jane and the lawyer and the pi are all trying to work new leads file for appeals
Do anything they can to give josh a second shot at a fair shake while they're working all of their angles
Everyone is surprised when a new sheriff comes to visit josh in prison
It's 2006 now and remember rick walter the first guy to be on the scene who went to go check out michelle's car after work
Yeah
Well, he is sheriff now and he has never formally met josh because again, he wasn't an investigator
He just arrived on the scene and someone else took over
But he has a sit-down with him in prison and he asked josh if he trusts law enforcement and josh basically says
Listen, all I know is I don't trust the scott county sheriffs and that's when sheriff walter drops a bombshell
He says listen. I'm on your side
I have never believed that you are guilty and now that i'm in charge. I promise you i'm gonna find the truth
You guys I know I got like really happy full body chills like this is so magical
It's so rare. I mean we can go into this a little bit later, but
To overturn a case that's already been closed
I mean, there's like there's like financial repercussions. There's political repercussions. What this guy's doing is not popular
But for every like bad prosecutor and bad investigator
It is so heartwarming to know that there are a couple of good guys out there
who
Know that people make mistakes and won't stand for it just because they're part of a system
Like I have such a cop crushed on sheriff walter right now. Seriously also cop crushed. We need to like brand that or something
hashtag cop crush
So 15 months after sheriff walter met josh and 27 months into the new investigation
walter and his team began to question every piece of evidence every testimony every alibi
And they start from scratch
Like the pi before them. They found nothing that connected josh to michelle's murder
Sheriff walter hires a full-time investigator to work on the case and naturally the first place this investigator wants to start is with mark
Abbott what he finds is that marks changing stories didn't stop when josh was convicted and sent to prison
He continued to tell new changing stories
In 1997 there was an entirely
Another version that he told police now mark and matt both were in jail at the time for manufacturing meth
And mark offered up a new story about michelle's homicide hoping that maybe he could get leniency in his drug case
The story he tells this time is that a man named kevin williams who was a friend of his committed the murder and mark was there
mark said
That kevin williams had been having an affair with michelle and that michelle claimed she was pregnant with his child
Apparently kevin wanted to talk to her that night to try and calm her down
So kevin and mark followed her in their car
And mark said they were able to flash their lights from behind michelle to get her to pull over
Which again kind of makes sense. We were saying all along it would be somebody that she knew
If they flash her like their lights, they would get her to pull over
I guess the only thing in my mind that I still wonder is
When it's really dark all you see is headlights. I don't know how you would know that it was someone you knew trying to pull you over
But he says that it worked
She pulls over and her and kevin start to argue for a short time and mark says the next thing he hears is gunshots
He said then that kevin williams took off on foot toward a mobile home sales lot
And after mark then went to report the homicide to the sheriff's office
He said he later swung back around to pick up kevin now this story makes some sense
But there's even holes in this one
michelle was not pregnant at the time of her murder and this story doesn't really account for her going over the guardrail
Down that embankment
But the story does offer up a new suspect this kevin williams guy and by the way this information was not new
The investigator who finds this like back in 2006
Finds that this information was given to investigators in 1997 when mark came forward
And when the guy who took it like the narcotics officer who was working with mark on his drug case
Went to the sheriff's office who investigated michelle's murder and says hey
I have this new story like you might want to hear this
They basically were like nah, we don't need that. We already got a conviction like you can just keep your stories
This is so frustrating
They're literally just saying we have our conviction and now the guy's saying at someone else
We don't really care our statistics look better without this information
yeah, and it's really hard for me to like wrap my mind around because
One of their key witnesses. I mean
Mark abbott was the guy who puts josh at the scene and now the same guy is saying
It's not even like you have like a random person saying like oh, I heard somebody killed this guy
You're like no, we got a conviction. It's almost like he's recanting exactly
And this isn't the only time kevin williams name is brought up in this reinvestigation
A witness gave a statement saying that he and his wife were in the car with kevin williams shortly after josh's conviction
When the subject of michelle's murder came up and it's right as they were driving past that trailer sales lot
That mark said he had run to and kevin tells a slightly different version and he basically says
That he had something to do with it and that trailer sales lot is where it all started
If that isn't enough a third witness comes forward not someone saying he heard something
But someone saying he saw something a man named dallas butler says around 1 a.m
The night of michelle's murder. He was riding his honda motorcycle along interstate 55 in benton, missouri
He got to the exit where michelle's car was
And he saw two vehicles pulled to the side of the road a small dark sedan
And so we think this is probably michelle's car and a lighter colored four truck parked near the exit
So he pulled up to see if maybe they needed help when he got close. He saw a woman in the driver's seat
She had her head bowed and both of her hands on the steering wheel, but he said that she seemed fine
She didn't look to be injured or disheveled in any way
And a man was with her and dallas described this man as being about 160 pounds
Slender and wearing a red hat and he was standing near her car
And when dallas pulls up he kind of waves him off and he's like listen, everything's fine. We don't need help
Like you should go and at first dallas said he thought the girl might have had car trouble and was upset
Or maybe had too much to drink and then that this man was trying to help her
But he said something about the whole situation was just nagging at him and it didn't feel right
dallas trust your instincts
I know and i'm sure it nags at him and he said the man seemed super nervous
And anxious and he kept thinking about that girl even as he drove away
And the next morning he actually saw a television broadcast
Reporting that a girl had been killed at the same exit ramp that he was at
So just a couple of days later he goes to the scott county sheriff's office to report what he saw
And he gave a statement to the girl at the front desk and the girl told him that a deputy would be in contact with him
But he never heard anything back
So he assumed that the sheriff's office didn't need his story or they kind of looked through it and it didn't fit
Or it wasn't relevant to what happened
But looking back it seems so relevant
The description of the guy could have matched kevin or mark or matt
And mark actually drove a pickup truck kind of like the one he described and in 2015
dallas ends up picking kevin out of a lineup as the man he saw that night
Now granted this is 20 years later
But this lineup was actually legit and they showed him a couple of mugshot sheets
And they didn't tell him if their suspect was even in any of them
And of all the pictures he points out kevin williams as the man he saw standing next to michelle's car that night
Stories abound about mark and kevin people saying that mark or kevin confessed to them in one way or another
Or they would say that the wrong man is in jail or that they took care of her
But again in the reinvestigation
These two were not the only suspects
Sheriff walter wanted to have all of the physical evidence
Retested and the dna under michelle's fingernails her clothing
Anything in that car and there was blood evidence at the scene apparently there was a bloody paper towel that didn't match michelle
And it didn't match her boyfriend and it didn't match anyone else
It didn't match josh and this likely could have been the killer's blood and they needed to get it tested
The type of dna analysis required
Was a technique involving a low copy dna where only a few cells are analyzed
It was something that the lab that they normally used didn't do in 2006 when he started this reinvestigation
So they would typically refer clients to the marshal university forensic science center in west virginia
Well, all of the evidence is sent there including the nail clippings fingernails scrapings all the blood the paper towel her clothes
Everything it's properly packaged by the southeast crime lab and then sent to marshal
And this also included samples that had never been tested before and at marshal
Scientists were able to extract a partial genetic profile based on blood evidence from a blood stained paper towel
Now this is compared to josh as well as some of the other suspects
And that profile didn't come back as any of them
But it did contain enough genetic markers required to be entered into codis
So when scott county gets this information back, they're like, okay, like we want to enter this into codis
We want to see if maybe there's a suspect that's not even on our radar
but
They are told that they cannot submit their results to codis
And this is kind of confusing to me, but basically the reason they're given
Is that because the results were sent to a lab?
That's not the normal one that they use under the crime lab's recommendation. They were told basically we won't submit to codis because
We didn't do the testing. We didn't supervise the testing and apparently there's like some kind of rule they have which kind of makes sense
They're basically saying you can't like do a dna here then send it somewhere else and then send that to codis
Because that looks like you're shopping your dna, which wasn't done in this case
The first lab never did it to begin with but they weren't going to sign off on someone else's work
Exactly and they were like, you know, if if we would have known you wanted to send to codis
We would have had to go and supervise their methods, which we didn't do
Now the team that's working with josh and trying to get him a new trial
Sends some of the items to be retested, but they can't send everything
They need like $37,000 to do all of the retesting and it's funds that they just don't have
And again, this is early 2000s
There isn't a ton of dna methods that are even available at a reasonable price in the us
But they were able to send some stuff outside of the us where it was a little bit cheaper to test
But more tests were possible with touch dna
So around 2009 sheriff walter sent michelle's clothing to a place in the netherlands called the crime farm
and basically this crime farm was
A place in the netherlands
I think it was run by like a husband and wife and they were way ahead of their times
I mean, they're doing touch dna in
2009 getting stuff off of her clothing and it basically they have this
Farm, I mean, that's exactly what it is set up where they would do experiments
They would run dna and a lot of people were sending evidence over there to get tested at a slightly cheaper rate
But where more things were possible. Yeah, it was more experimental exactly
So they're getting her clothing retested for touch dna while this is going on
We do find out whose dna is under her fingernails
The dna under her fingernails
Belonged to her boyfriend
Leon really yes
And when they confront Leon with this he says basically that
That is not because he had anything to do with her murder
He says that it was because they had sex that night and he said they were very passionate and sometimes she would scratch him
and I don't know what to believe about this because
It seems strange to me that his dna is the only one that's found
It seems to me that her boyfriend would be somebody that she would pull over on the side of the road for
And we know that he gets jealous
Very easily if she's talking to another guy or being seen with another guy
Maybe they had some kind of altercation which came over
I mean he admittedly is the last person to have seen Michelle before she was murdered
So he's back on the radar for police. There are even more suspects though
Information came in during this reinvestigation that the killing may have been connected to a murder for hire plot back in 1994
A handful of people said that the same gun was used in both cases and that gun has never been recovered
But they both were believed to have been a 380 caliber semi-automatic handgun
But they don't necessarily need the gun itself to conclusively tie these cases together
In the 1994 murder for hire case a man named Richard clay was convicted of the murder
All that sheriff walter needs is to get one of the bullets from that 1994 case
And compare it to his to see if there is a chance that they might be connected
But the highway patrol who was in charge of that evidence won't release the bullet for comparison
Ballistics report shows similarities in all of the grooves
But there's no way to know with any kind of certainty just with pictures
Amidst all this reinvestigation
Josh is still fighting for a new trial in 2009
He gets a hearing to see if he can have his conviction overturned and after the hearing
Of all of the evidence the judge makes an incredibly unusual ruling
Instead of just overturning his conviction and granting him a new trial
He just straight up rules that josh is innocent and the next day
Josh gets to walk out of prison a free man for the first time in 16 years
And again, this judge gives me the same like judge crush like
He sees everything that's going wrong in the system
And instead of going through the appeals and the retrials like if you see a gross
Injustice has been carried out like let's just try and right the wrongs where we can please
And this makes me feel like so hopeful and so bummed out for cases like odd nones like
I know it could happen for him, but it won't because of the elected officials involved
Yeah, yeah a lot of politics involved again
This whole case as I was researching it to me is so rare because I feel like for every case like this
I can find a hundred cases where everyone is protecting people or they're so deep into politics that at the end of the day
The truth doesn't matter to them. It doesn't matter that there's an innocent man in prison. It doesn't matter
There's a guilty man walking the streets. It's all about like preserving their own careers and saving face
As the investigation continues
The rest of the case against josh falls apart all of the jailhouse informants recant
Chantal recants her statement about seeing him at the party
And for many years Kevin Williams alibi was his wife said that he was at a Christmas party
But in 2015 even she changes her story to say that he left the party early that night
In 2015 and 2016 Sheriff Walter tried to get a grand jury together
But he was denied both times by the prosecutors
The sheriff won't say which man is his prime suspect
But whoever it is he thinks he has solved the case and has enough evidence to prosecute
And Walter said that the denials are all politically motivated which again is so sucky
Especially for a guy who's just out there wearing the white hat trying to right wrongs and doing what he was elected to do
I will say though I think his investigation is leaning towards Mark Matt and Kevin
Having some kind of involvement because in 2017 the sheriff polygraphed Mark and Matt again
And the same year 2017 a grand jury finally was convened
And they were able to hear 15 hours of testimony over a two month period
And the grand jury did not come back with an indictment though
Meaning that the panel did not believe there was enough evidence that existed to proceed with charges in a trial
But they didn't hear a couple of key witnesses that maybe would have changed their minds
So there was one guy who would have spoke to the DNA that they found that touched DNA
There was one person who was a crime scene reconstruction expert
Who I think would have testified to the fact that the way Mark says he would have picked her up out of the car by her waist
And later he even says he touched her on the shoulder like they would say that that probably didn't make sense
And the jury never got to hear from Kevin Williams wife who recanted his alibi for that night
I agree that there's a bunch of evidence but I don't see the motive
It was hard for me too to kind of piece it together so I think for people who believe that Mark, Matt and Kevin had something to do with it
The motive was drug related because we know by 1997 both of the Abbott brothers were in jail for meth
And Kevin's ex-wife says that he was a drug informant
So it's possible that Michelle found out something either by accident or she actually did know these guys
And she knew something that she wasn't supposed to know
It's possible that they're just really bad guys and she was kind of into one of them
She said she thought they were cute and she got mixed up with the wrong crowd
That's the best motive I can come up with those two
Again, I'm so stuck on the fact that it was her boyfriend's DNA under her fingernails
But from everything I can pull together, I don't think that that's who the sheriff is looking at
So I don't think we really need to talk about his motive
Again, what I'm so confused about is how they would have gotten her to pull over
Did she know that they were following her? Were they all going somewhere together?
Did something start earlier and then she drove off and they followed her? There's just a lot of holes
Exactly and that kind of fits in with the story that Kevin said
Where they were at this trailer home sales lot, something went down and maybe she got mad and left
And they tracked her down and got her to pull over
I also heard one theory, it's not based on anything
But someone said maybe someone was hiding in the back seat of Michelle's car
And yeah, full body shells
I don't like this, I don't like thinking about this at all
And they basically, as she was driving down the highway, got her to pull over
They had a gun, forced her to pull over and then somebody maybe drove up like a partner drove up behind them
Again, not sure what the motive is for that because she wasn't robbed
Y'all check your back seats
Right, so this case is crazy, I hate stories like this about wrongful convictions
I mean it happens, you can't ignore it, it happens so often
And to me it's not even like, I can kind of understand where a prosecutor, if there's like a little bit of evidence
Something looks bad for somebody, like we're all human and we can make mistakes
And you can think somebody did it and actually believe it in your heart
But I don't know how anyone believed in their heart of hearts that Josh was guilty
And it's amazing to me that they were able to sleep at night knowing they're sentencing this kid
To 60 years in one of the most deadly prisons
And there's a lot of other weird political stuff that happened in the background of this case
Where actually the old sheriff who was in charge of prosecuting Josh actually was like warning Kevin Williams
When a reinvestigation was being done
So I don't know if he was doing that as being politically motivated
He didn't want his conviction to get overturned or what
But I mean, again, this case was so hard because there were so many bad guys
But it was encouraging to see a couple of good guys fighting the good fight
Doing the job that I would hope that sheriff's officers and police officers and prosecutors should be doing
So it gives me a little bit of hope and I hope for cases like Adnan's and other wrongful convictions
Brandon Dassy, God, I hope that we can get a couple more good guys
Good guys
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