Crime Junkie - MURDERED: The Longo Family

Episode Date: March 19, 2018

What makes a seemingly normal family man snap, murder his entire family, and assume a new identity in Mexico? Christian Longo was a husband, and father of three kids, who moved his family to Oregon to escape legal and money trouble he had accrued back in Michigan. But the new start didn't take away the pressure of supporting a family on a part-time, minimum wage income. One December day, Christian's family is found in the most horrific ways and Christian is nowhere to be found. The prosecution and the public seem pretty clear on what took place the day the Longo family died, but Christian's surprise story after he goes to trial is just his final way of disgracing his family. For current Fan Club membership options and policies, please visit https://crimejunkieapp.com/library/. Sources for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/murdered-the-longo-family/    

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when they were in their teens and early 20s. And I don't know if there are levels of Jehovah's Witnesses like kinda to super Jehovah, but they both came from families that were like super Jehovah. And when Christian was 19 and Mary was 25, they got married. And immediately I'm like, oh my God, 19's too young to get married, like nothing good is gonna happen. I mean, here's the thing. I was 20. Yeah, and I thought that was way too young to get married and nothing good is gonna happen. And it took me like five years to accept your marriage.

Look at us now. We're fine. Yeah. So they get married and all of Mary Jane's friends said he was the husband that made all the wives jealous. He would doad on her by her flowers, take her on trips. I mean, even the ring that he got her was this like three and a half carat rock. I will say, getting married at 20, I did not have a three and a half carat ring. Preach. Well, and so what they didn't know too is like, it all looks like a fairy tale, but this three and a half carat rock that he bought, he bought like on this crazy payment plan.

So he put down like nothing and then had this payment that was going to be more than their rent, but she had no idea. And what people didn't know is exactly that Chris could only give her this life on credit cards. And before their first child was even born, he had maxed out all of their cards. And there was even an instance where he like couldn't he either had to pay his rent or pay this payment on her ring. And he paid the payment on the ring so he could still keep up this appearance and then like stole money from a job to pay his rent, but then felt bad. So then he paid the job back and then just quit the job. So like right off the bat, they're having problems.

They start having kids and almost right away they had three each about a year apart. So they had Zachary, Sadie and then Madison to support their growing family. Chris takes a job with a company that distributes the New York Times and he did pretty well at this job. He worked his way up to manager and while there he really developed a love for the times and articles that they would put out. One journalist at the New York Times in particular that they would feature was Michael Finkel. And Michael was one of their prize winning authors who did a ton of like really heavy hitting pieces on topics like war and slavery. But all of his pieces involved him traveling to these other countries and he lived this very exotic life, especially to someone like Chris who's just working an average job in the Midwest trying to support a young family.

So Chris developed this kind of fascination with Michael and his work and he memorized all of his stories and would dream of what it would be like if he were rich and successful and could travel the world writing about his adventures. But at the end of the day, Chris wasn't getting rich and famous in his nine to five. In fact, he wasn't even making enough money to live like a mildly impressive lifestyle. So at 25 he decides he's going to quit working for someone else and start his own cleaning business. And by all appearances, it seems to be going well. They're still buying nice things. They have nice cars going on good vacations. And he even convinces his dad that business is going so well that his dad invests like tens of thousands of dollars into this business.

But again, all Chris was concerned with was the outward appearance of his life. So in fact, not only was his business tanking, but he was finding ways to rack up like even more debt. And eventually he got to the point where even paying off credit card minimums became so stressful. He started forging checks from his clients. Oh my God, that's ridiculous. And all of that wasn't even enough. He still had to keep up appearances. So it's not like he's like forging these checks to get like a clean slate. He's like still going on and he even decides like at this point he wants a new van.

So he makes a fake driver's license, goes to test drive a van and never returns it. What? He stole a car and he gets caught because of this shortly after he's like pulled over while he's in the van with his whole family. And he ends up getting caught for stealing the van caught for the check fraud. And in Michigan, he had forged seven checks, $30,000 and in Michigan, one instance of counterfeit can be charged as a 14 year felony. But he gets off with barely a slap on the wrist. He plays this card with police and says, look, I'm a financially strapped family man. I'm trying my best.

I just got in over my head and I just want to provide my family a good life and I made a mistake. And here's the thing about Christian Longo. He is a charming guy. He seems nice. He comes from a good family. He looks buttoned up. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be this career criminal. So he just gets probation with the promise of making restitution. He gives the same story to his wife swears. He's done with criminal activity swears.

This was like a one time thing that he just got in over his head and he's going to make a life for them on the straight and narrow. This whole situation, though, puts even more strain on their marriage because he basically gets kicked out of their church. So it turns out you can't be a criminal and a Jehovah's Witness. Who knew? And the way it works is that if like you do something criminal, like you get these like warnings, but he had so many warnings back to back that he basically gets kicked out of the church and other people in the church, like if you are excommunicated or kicked out of the church, everyone in the church is really not allowed to associate with you.

So this puts Mary Jane in a really tough spot because she decides to choose her husband, because her kids were the most important thing to her in the world, and she didn't want her kids to not have their father. So naturally because of this, their marriage gets a little bit strained, but it gets even worse when Mary Jane finds an email from Chris to another woman talking about how he doesn't love his wife anymore, he's basically not in love with her after she had kids, he's just interested in her because she gives all of her attention to her kids, and he feels left out.

Wham, wham, wham. Yeah, okay, sure. So she goes against her family and her faith, stands by him after he's stole and lied, and then he's going to go complaining to other women that she's the problem in their marriage. I can't with these kind of men. Yeah. But Mary Jane wouldn't leave him, she was determined that her family would stay together, so the way she fixes it, because he's not willing to put in any work,

she just gushes over him, spoils him, draws him bubble baths, all to keep him interested in her, and she was determined their kids were going to have their dad around day in, day out, and there's no way she could have known what a terrible mistake she was making by doing that. Because a couple of weeks after this, there's whole like fraud conviction, and this emails with the other woman, the long goes decide to pack up and leave town. On a side note, in the short amount of time after he was convicted, but before he leaves town, he opens a credit card in his dad's name and charges it with,

Brett, I want you to guess, how much could you charge a credit card with in a short amount of time? Like short, like a day, day and a half, give or take? They didn't say exactly, I'm thinking maybe a couple weeks, months, a month, two months. Maybe like five to ten thousand dollars, depending on like how crazy I was. Over one hundred thousand dollars worth of junk. How much, what can you want? I literally can't even, I like a lot of expensive things. I can't even think of spending that much money in like four weeks, I honestly can't. Yeah, and people said he was like toting around like boats and jet skis,

and so literally he's just buying anything that comes to his mind now, not even on his own credit card, but his dad's. Chris decides to like air quotes, start anew. He of course tells Mary Jane that this is all in the up and up, like there's just so much negativity in Michigan, he wants to start over somewhere else, but once a liar, always a liar, and really he's just skipping town. He has his own debt, he can't make restitution to the people he was supposed to, so he's gonna end up violating probation, he decides to just leave.

And I think it should have been obvious to Mary Jane, because when they leave Michigan and move to Toledo, Ohio, they stay in this old warehouse there. It is by no means a home. Picture an empty warehouse, that's it. Literally no frills, there's no kitchen, barely plumbing, they're sleeping on cots. Even in this, I mean this has to be like rock bottom, he's filling this warehouse with a bunch of random stuff that's stolen or put on new credit cards. There's no way he's able to buy this, I don't know what Mary Jane is thinking.

And what she doesn't know is at this point, he's skipped down on his parole, there's a warrant placed for his arrest, and they actually get wind that he's in Ohio because Mary Jane's family had tracked them down, and the way they tracked them down was insane. They couldn't get ahold of Mary Jane, they knew she was in Ohio. They drove around Toledo, Ohio and happened to see the Longos dog in the front yard. The front yard of a warehouse. Yeah, of this warehouse, and that's how they found them. So once the police are onto them, they basically pack up in the middle of the night and just skip town, and they leave everything, I mean they weren't such a hurry, they left her wedding dress,

like it looks as if people just picked up, all of their stuff was there, their beds were still there, all of the stuff that he had stolen, still there, and they don't tell anyone where they're going. Mary Jane's phone is cut off so when the family realizes that they're not in Toledo anymore, they don't even have a way to get in touch with them, so they file a missing persons report. They don't know what's happened, but all they know is that they can't get ahold of Mary Jane and something is wrong. Her sister said to this, she could just feel it. Well a few weeks after the missing persons report was filed, a postcard comes to Mary Jane's sister from South Dakota, and it basically says, sorry we moved, I can't call you now, but we'll be in touch.

And this worries the family even more because WTF, you have time to buy, write, and mail a postcard, but you can't pick up the phone. So they show this to police, as evidence, something is wrong, and this is kind of their heading in the direction of out west, but police look at this and see something totally different, they say, listen, she's an adult, she is with her family, she obviously left on her own. And she's made contact letting you know, it's done. Exactly, and so they close the missing persons case, but that would be a horrible mistake because this postcard came in November and just one month later, the bodies of Mary Jane Longo and her three kids would be found.

And that's the next part I want to jump to. So the next thing we know for sure is when these bodies were found, and on December 19th of 2001, the body of a young boy is found floating in the waterway in Oregon. Police initially think that this young boy had maybe gotten away from home, had an accident, because he was well groomed, he had hair cut, he was obviously cared for, and had drowned. So they canvassed the neighborhood, but no kids were missing. So the next thought that they have is perhaps there's a car accident, like a whole family or a mom and a son had gone into the water and his body had floated up.

So police send a dive team to search the waters. And while they do this, they also make a composite drawing of the boy and release it to the news. They figure that even if the boy's family is gone, someone had to have known this family and could recognize him, and sure enough, someone does. Almost immediately, a woman comes forward to say she believes this is a young boy named Zachary, who's the son of a man she works with at Starbucks, and this man is Christian Longo. She mentions to him that there's this kind of weird story, and they had worked together on December 17th, and he tells her, like, at the end of their shift, like, hey, I just want to let you know, like, you're not going to be seeing my family anymore,

because Mary Jane is, like, leaving me, we're getting divorced, and she's really shocked. She said, I thought they had the perfect marriage, they seemed like such a happy family. But again, Christian Longo was all about appearances. While this lady is in the police station, a call comes in. Divers have found a second body. It's the body of a little girl. They know Zachary has two sisters, this could be one of them, so they bring both children to the morgue and have this woman try to identify them, and she recognizes them both as Zachary and Sadie Longo, who were four and three at the time. Wait, so how was Sadie found? You said Divers found her?

Yeah, so they found Sadie, and this confirmed for them something that they already feared. This wasn't in any kind of accident. These two children had been murdered. Sadie was found at the bottom of this body of water with her ankle tied to a pill case full of rocks. And they determined that Zachary had been left the same way, but the tie on his ankle was somehow undone and he had floated to the surface. Police knew they had a homicide at this point, but they were still missing three family members. They had no idea where Mary Jane Madison or Chris Longo were, but they kept searching the water. On December 27th, those dive teams found something else. Now they knew what family they were looking for so they could better localize their search.

So they start a new search at these docks just adjacent to the apartment that the family was renting, and underneath these docks they find two suitcases and one suitcase contained the tiny body of Madison. She's just one years old. She was stuffed in the suitcase with some clothes and like a weight because she wasn't even heavy enough to weigh her down. And when they found the other suitcase, they didn't even have to look inside to know what they were going to find. Not only had they found all these bodies, but they could tell by the strands of hair that were floating from between the grooves of the zipper. They had found Mary Jane. Now they had almost the whole family except for Chris Longo. Could he have been a victim too? Sure.

But police had been searching the bay for almost a week at this point with no additional findings, and it was becoming clear that he was likely their suspect in the murder of his own family. When they can't find him by January, the FBI places him on their top 10 most wanted lists. So his face is plastered everywhere. They're also able to kind of track his movements because sometime before he fled, he had written down the credit card number from a Starbucks customer and was using that to like get by and travel. So police and FBI knew that he was making his way south of the border. I feel like Chris has and has never had any long term plans.

He's literally the worst planner. If you're going to murder your whole family and like use a credit card that can be tracked to like the place you work. But I mean, even that even goes back to like, what was his plan all along? Like you're racking up this credit card debt, you're lying to these people, you're stealing from your job, you're stealing a mini van. Like they're going to find you. Well, because he has made the most well known wanted list in possibly like all of the world. Someone in Cancun, Mexico spots him, but they don't know him as Christian Longo. They know him as the acclaimed award winning New York Times author, Michael Finkel.

No, the writer he was obsessed with. The one and only while in Mexico, he had assumed the identity of Michael Finkel. And now what makes the story even crazier is while this whole saga is going on, Michael Finkel's life is actually exploding as well. So I want to like pause on the Longo story and tell you a little bit about Michael Finkel. Like I said, he was this award winning author. He traveled the world and he was getting cover after cover of the New York Times and he based his whole life around his career. His ego was everything at this point and it even cost him his relationships. Well, his ego got the best of him.

And while doing a story about an African boy who had sold himself into slavery, he fabricated a ton of material. He basically took stories from a bunch of different boys, mushed them all together into this one horror story and said it was a single person's life. Well, when the truth comes out, after the article was published on the front of the New York Times, he's basically publicly shamed and loses his job. And when he loses his job, like they're going to post this big retraction, this big apology letter. He basically retreats to his home in Montana and he was planning to hide from the world. He was completely embarrassed, felt like his life was over. He lost everything and his phone rings. His initial reaction is like, oh my God, this is it.

It's going to be a media storm from here on out. Everyone's going to be talking about what I did. I'm a liar. But he picks up the phone and this reporter asked him for comment on the murders. And he said, don't you mean the article? And after like a few, like, I'm sorry, what? Sorry, what? Michael realizes that this guy has no idea that he falsified this article.

Or if he does, he doesn't even care. All he cares about, he tells him, is there's this man accused of murdering his whole family. He's just been captured in Mexico. And the whole time he was down there, he had been assuming Michael's identity. And Michael Googles himself. And sure enough, every hit is on this Christian Longo and not on what he had done. I mean, what are the odds? And like, if you are this Michael Finkel guy, like, it's almost a weird relief, right?

I mean, totally. Like that's like part of this that I can't get over is the timing of this for him to like blow up professionally, like in a bad way. And then be totally saved by this other tragedy just because this guy happened to use his name. A perfect story. For Michael Finkel it was. So to take us back to Chris, he's arrested and brought back to Oregon to stand trial. And he actually strikes up a friendship with the real Michael Finkel and they start corresponding by phone, by mail. And Michael even goes to visit him regularly.

He tells Michael this sob story and, you know, it starts from the beginning, his whole life and how he grew up. And he just wanted this great family and he wanted to give them all this great stuff and he couldn't. He was drowning in debt and, you know, all this kind of BS of like how he got here. And then he picks up the story that we didn't know and says from South Dakota, the family kept heading west to Oregon. When they arrive, the only job Chris could get was working a part-time job at Starbucks making like seven something an hour. That's just $140 a week to support a family of five. And Chris was back to his same tricks of like living beyond his means because he somehow talked his way into getting approved for an apartment overlooking the bay that cost over $1,200 a month. Again, what was his long-term plan? He's making what like $5.50, $5.60 a month before taxes. That's not even half the rent.

He has a family he needs to feed. They have to pay for gas. Kids are growing. They go through clothes like crazy. Like what was his plan? Please. I truly, I don't know. I don't know if his plan was to keep lying and I mean he had gotten by so many years like conning people this way. Or I don't know if he had an exit strategy in the back of his mind for like some time. But this all comes to a head between December 17th and December 18th. But that's where the story that he is telling Michael always stops. And although this whole time he swears to his BFF Michael Finkel that he didn't do this, like this is all a mistake.

He won't actually talk about the days leading up to when the bodies were found and he won't talk about what might have happened if he didn't do it. I can't tell you what happened in those times. No one knows for sure. But what I can tell you is what the police, the prosecutors and the jurors have speculated and said happened. They say that Chris worked a shift at Starbucks on December 17th and that's when he told that story to his coworker about never seeing his family again. They say Chris goes home that night and he and Mary Jane have an altercation about something, likely money since there was absolutely none. Right. Mary Jane had actually recently, they find this out later, she had gone to a food bank to get information for the family. And you know, Chris could have found out about this and been embarrassed since all he cared about was appearances like having to go to a food bank would be the last thing he would want.

Or, you know, maybe he had no idea and just couldn't take the mounting pressure of supporting this family of five in his apartment. He couldn't afford with this mounting debt and a worn out for his arrest. Right. Like, I feel like in his mind, they were very much to blame for why he couldn't live the life he wanted to live, you know. So however this escalated, police believe that it probably happened in the evening. And he think they think that Chris first strangled Mary Jane. She also had like some blunt force trauma. So whether he hit her or strangled her and then hit her, I don't know. But they think he killed her first to get her out of the way. And then he strangled their baby Madison in the autopsy photos they showed in court.

The jurors said that they could still see the marks around Madison's neck, even after all this time that she was in the water. He then shoved their bodies into those two suitcases, walked them down to the bay and put them underneath the dock. He has two children left, Zac who's four, Sadie who's three. And one of two things could have happened. I can't, I'm reading different accounts in different places. He either took them alive and put them into his minivan or he suffocated them both there and then put them into the minivan. But he puts both children into the minivan along with two pillowcases and some rope. He drives to a nearby bridge, fills the pillowcases with rocks, tied them to their ankles and one at a time carries them to the side of the bridge and dumps them into the water.

This is honestly just so horrific. I can't. I almost don't have a reaction. This case was really rough for me. The murder of children always rocks me, but there's something that just hurts me to my core when I think about a parent doing something like this. To think that a little child who knows nothing about the world, who knew nothing about their dad, nothing about what he was really doing or who he really was, to them their dad was like a superhero. They trusted him every moment and even as he was, if they were alive, holding them and carrying them to the water, they never thought that he would hurt them. Because why would they? When you were little and your dad picked you up, that was the most comforting and safe place for you. I cannot imagine what those kids were feeling in those moments if they were still alive. It just breaks my heart. Even if they weren't when he dropped them to have your dad come in your room at night, if he suffocated them.

Either way, if your parents are supposed to be the two people in the world who have your back and especially when you're so young and can't protect yourself, it just makes me sick. It's why this story upsets me so much more than even others that we have done. We know Longo was on that bridge because on the 17th, a man actually pulled over and talked to him. He thought he was having car trouble. It was like the very early hours in the morning and Longo says, you know, oh, it's just my check engine's lights on. Like, I'm fine. I don't need any help and the guy drives away. But the driver said that he seemed totally fine. So not even in this time, like before or after he dumped his children into the water, like, was he even disturbed by what he had done? So Longo is the only one of his family that survived. He was on the bridge over where his kids were later found.

He fled the country after the murders and he was found frolicking in Mexico. Was he actually frolicking? Sure, frolicking. He literally, like, when the FBI caught him, he was in a shack smoking weed with some German tourist that he was trying to bone, like, when they caught him. He was zero sad tears. Oh my God. So the prosecution feels like they have a really strong case, but Longo shocks everyone, including his new BFF Finkel, when he goes into court and pleads guilty to only two of the murders. What? Yes. He had a completely different story.

He says that it all started on the night of the 15th, December 15th, when he and his wife went out on a date with all that money that they have. And Mary Jane told her husband that she felt like things were going really bad for their family. And she confronted him about all of the lies, like, all of the stealing, because he's still, again, telling her everything's fine. I think she was putting the pieces together that it's not. And he tried to play it off, but he said he couldn't keep it in any longer. And the night of December 16th, they stayed up and had this, like, all night conversation where he confessed everything. He confessed the stealing, the lying, having a warrant out for his arrest. And he said, when Mary Jane heard all this, she just lost it. He said she had an emotional break like he had never seen before.

And the next morning he asked her, like, let me stay home from work. Let's talk about this. And that's the last thing she wants. So she's like, no, you're going to go to work. Like, we need the money. So she drops him off because they only have the one car. But when she picks him up from his shift, she's only wearing a bathrobe. She's barefoot and the kids weren't with her. When they get home is when he realizes what has happened. He said that the first thing he found was Madison, the one year old, lifeless on the bed. And he said he just lost control and strangled Mary Jane.

And then he said he realized after he did that he put her in the suitcase that Madison was, like, still alive. And so he strangled her because he didn't want her to, like, live with what had happened. And he said, as they, like, blew up like this, what he realized is that Mary Jane is the one who had killed Zachary and Sadie and she dumped them because she had a mental break. He says that's why the bodies were disposed of in such different ways because she killed Zach and Sadie and he killed Mary Jane and Madison. One, they weren't disposed of in really different ways. Am I right? They were. They were all found in water.

Yes, and in different locations. Okay. Two, like, what a piece of crap to kill your wife and then just be like, actually, she killed everybody else. Yeah, and I was just so mad that she killed them that I snapped. I killed her. Logical. But it was even hard for him, like, in court to, like, people to play off, like, okay, we get, say your wife did it and you killed her because you snapped. If you found out your daughter was alive, why did you kill her? I mean, none of it made sense and the jury didn't buy it either and they found him guilty of all of the murders.

And after he was sentenced to death, he even almost confessed. Like, he was telling people he was ready to stop lying and blaming everyone and he wanted to come clean for what he had done. But not long after he's, like, doing this, he starts filing his appeals and he goes back to his original story in court. Truthfully, that's where things stand out. He's trying to get a new trial. He's on death row. I'm completely disgusted. You know what, like, I can't figure out that I keep coming back to is how long do you think he was planning this?

Some people think that he was the one that actually sent the postcard from South Dakota to keep her family off their trail and the bodies were hidden. So, like, you know, in his mind, maybe they would never be found. And knowing that he killed them all, did he do it differently with the plan, like, the whole time of blaming Mary Jane? Man, I don't know, like, in my heart of hearts, he did it all. Like, from day one, he was living, like, just completely, like, very deceptive, very manipulative, very, you know, appearances are everything. I feel like he had to have been planning this for a while. So, because he is a person who, like, plans ahead to a certain extent in that, like, plans ahead to cover his tracks. See, I was going to say the exact opposite thing.

Like, I think he's the worst planner of all time. And in my mind, like, I love being that kind of, like, conspirator and, like, in, like, thinking the opposite of what everyone else does. But I don't even think I can say that maybe he didn't do it. Like, I could say in other episodes, you know, maybe Scott Peterson didn't do it. Maybe Robert Fisher didn't do it. But in this one, I don't think there's anyone out there who's, like, having a, is Robert, or is Christian Longo, innocent kind of Facebook page? No, I completely agree. I just do think that he's been, like, trying to get ahead of the game for so long.

Like, he had to have known that he couldn't keep this up. And he had to find a, quote, unquote, like, solution for his family that he couldn't support. And this was it. Yeah, maybe. This, like, really gives me Robert Fisher vibes. Like, I don't know about you. Definitely. Definitely.

Whenever a guy goes missing or is, like, suspected of killing his entire family, it seems really similar in a lot of ways. Yeah, and I don't know if, like, if he would have never been caught, if maybe there would be more people who thought he was innocent. But again, it's the same thing to me. Like, this family man who, yeah, has shown signs of, like, maybe being a liar or maybe being angry, but, like, was never violent. And then to just, like, take out his whole family. And then even now in prison, like, he gets along really well with everyone. He's, like, a model prisoner. So, like, it's so weird with these family annihilators that, like, they can just snap and disassociate with their family.

I don't know. I can almost turn, like, on and off. Yeah, I can't figure it out. But definitely, again, like, I have totally different feelings between this and Robert Fisher. Like, I have a lot of questions about the Robert Fisher case. My only question with this Christian Longo case is, like, why? I mean, there was no other option. So the last I heard, so he is on death row, he's trying to file some appeals.

I haven't seen if he's been approved or if it's been actually filed in his under review. I did hear some rumblings, like, as I was reading through online that Mary Jane's family is raising money to get to Oregon for a new trial, but I haven't actually seen any new articles about there being a new trial. So we will obviously follow this. If anything new comes up, if he does file an appeal or if he does get a new trial, we'll be sure to update you guys. You can go to our website, get our newsletter for all these updates, crimejunkiepodcast.com. CrimeJunkie is written and hosted by me. All of our sound production and editing comes from Britt Prewott.

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