Crime Junkie - WANTED: Monsters of Ohio Part 2

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

After Asenath Dukat, 11 more young girls in Ohio were kidnapped and murdered. Many under eerily similar circumstances. Is this the work of one or two predators or are there many monsters still on the prowl in Ohio? For current Fan Club membership options and policies, please visit https://crimejunkieapp.com/library/. Sources for this episode cannot be listed here due to character limitations. For a full list of sources, please visit https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/wanted-monsters-ohio-part-2/ 

Hi crime junkies, I'm your host Ashley Flowers, and I'm Brett and this episode is part two of our Monsters of Ohio series So if you haven't listened to part one yet, please go back and do so It's important to understand a seance-do-cott story for you to know why almost a dozen other cases grabbed my attention and Convinced me that there was something unusual Happening in Ohio in the early 80s one or more monsters lurking in very specific areas and praying on young girls This rabbit hole I got into actually started from the very first time I tried to start my research on a scenic Now I had heard about her case kind of in passing and just like tucked it away in the back of my brain for the next time

I could start research on a new case and By the time I got around to it like her very unique name was escaping me So I googled girl murder unsolved Ohio 80s and something popped up for a young girl named Kelly Proser now I didn't think that that was the right name, but as I started to read the details I honestly started questioning myself You see Kelly was a third grader who on September 20th 1982 went missing while walking home from school in Columbus, Ohio Which for those of you who are familiar with the area you'll know that upper Arlington where Cini lived is Basically a suburb of Columbus

Like in Cini's case It was Kelly's mother who got worried when she didn't make it home and by that evening She had called police who launched a massive search for the young girl that same night. Well, yeah She's like what eight or nine they have to well Yes, so she's actually eight just like Cini was but there was another reason they went so hard so fast Just like in Cini's case There was actually an attempted abduction or attack on another girl just a few days before So everyone in the area was already on high alert in this previous attempted attack

There was a guy in a red truck who tried to abduct another eight-year-old girl But he fled when another person drove by Now the first night passed with no sign of Kelly But the next day the columbus dispatch reported that police got their first clue Dogs were able to track Kelly's scent from the elementary school to the intersection of North High Street and Maynard Avenue Now North High Street is really close to Ohio State University and it's always Super super busy. So in fact when they start looking for witnesses They even find two patrol officers who may have spotted Kelly the same day she went missing

But the thing is they spotted someone who looked like her much much later in the evening at like nine o'clock at night And the officers remember seeing a young girl that looked a lot like Kelly with an older man But at the time they didn't stop to question them. Oh wait, they know she's missing by nine. Yeah Here's the thing. I don't know if these two guys Didn't know about the search again. They're patrol officers. Maybe they had nothing to do with it All I know is that they said that they see this girl. She looked like she knew the guy so they never stopped them The next clue that they got was actually on the same day a local lawyer came forward and said hey I found something in the middle of the road and I kind of just threw it in my car

I didn't really think anything of it until my daughter saw it and she'd been watching the news and made the connection What did they find he found a blue raincoat which matched the description put out by police of one that Kelly would have had with her When she went missing now It's interesting because most news reports just say that a jacket was found and he puts it in his car and didn't give it a second thought But the akron beacon journal actually reported back in 82 the time this is going on that one of the sleeves had blood on it which to me is strange because Is like that's something you would remember and not something that I would just throw in the back of my seat and never think of again

Though again, I don't know how accurate this is. It was only reported in one place and I have no idea what police thought of that at the time So at this point they have what they believe is Kelly's coat and they are going to start searching in that area but in the meantime Police actually start making a connection to another local man who right around the same time of Kelly's Disappearance had been accused of molesting an 11 year old girl in the same area close to where Kelly went missing from But when they go to talk to this guy He flees the area which is never a good look And so police put out a notice that they're looking for this man who they believe to be in west virginia now

While they search for him they keep their search going close to where her jacket was found and it didn't take long Before they actually found Kelly. She was found in a cornfield and according to a columbus dispatch article from 1982 she had been strangled with some kind of ligature and she had been quote sexually assaulted But not raped now. Here's the thing police think that this guy who fled looks pretty good for the crime But once he hears that police are looking for him in relation to a murder He actually comes back to clear his name. He said that he fled because of the molestation charges And when they actually look into him He was already out of the area by the time Kelly was abducted which left police with

Nothing and it didn't take long for Kelly's case to go as cold as scenies and everyone in the area Wondered if the same person or persons got away with murder for a second time Or maybe even more than a second time because just like their research for scenie's case led me to Kelly Research on Kelly led me to seven more girls who led me to more girls in 1982 the akron beacon journal published an article titled nine abducted in two years within 150 miles Both scenie and Kelly were listed among the nine, but they were almost like bookends in the list of girls In the timeline of when they all went missing or were murdered

scenie was the first But just 10 days after she was murdered another eight-year-old girl from maple heights, ohio went missing Her name was tiffany pappish and on friday the 13th of 1980 Her family was preparing for a camping trip and tiffany's mom asked her to run to the store to grab some buns before they left According to the charlie project tiffany did in fact make it to the store, which was just a mere half block away from her house She made her purchase and she was seen leaving around 245 But after she walked out of the store. She was never seen again tiffany is actually the only girl on my list of a dozen that has never been found which makes her case incredibly hard to solve

Though there was a man who everyone thought did it for a while a guy named brandon lee flagner He first came on to police's radar because of how much he inserted himself into the investigation He wanted to help with searches wanted to make t-shirts to sell with tiffany's missing person info on it And his constant pestering of the family became so much that they eventually called police and had him arrested Now it's worth noting brandon was not a good dude He had a history of grooming and molesting young girls and shortly after tiffany's disappearance He actually went to jail on charges unrelated to tiffany, but related to another young girl Naturally, they looked into him in the early days of the investigation

But they just couldn't get the timing to fit Brandon was working on the day that tiffany went missing and his job was some like 52 miles away from the site where she disappeared And although he technically got off work before she vanished. It was I mean literally like minutes before she vanished and would have been physically Impossible for him to get to where she was and abduct her at the time that she was abducted So it seemed his alibi was enough to write him off until a couple of years later When he starts confessing to anyone and everyone who will listen that he murdered tiffany

And the thing is his multiple confessions often contradict themselves But there was some things that just stuck out Like according to court documents in the early days when tiffany was considered a missing person brandon had taken someone with him to like Quote go out and search for tiffany's body and again well before anyone considered her to be deceased So a little bit fishy. That's something that like people latched on to right and apparently he also asked his family to destroy Some contents in a metal box that was in his car Like once he became a suspect and he specifically told them that this box had some kind of evidence

regarding tiffany's murder Eventually, I think the case got cold enough and brandon confessed enough That police must have thought he did it because they actually end up charging him with her murder But what about his alibi? Well, that's still the big question The prosecution suggested that maybe he just had a friend like punch the time clock for him But no one has ever come forward and reported doing so But I think they wanted to just close this case and it worked He was found guilty at trial and it was considered a win for the prosecution

but Many people think he didn't do it and those people include tiffany's father and the lead Investigator brandon is still in prison and he's fighting for his release saying that there might not even be a crime And I mean he likes to go so far as to say maybe she's still alive, which to me is a real stretch But there are definitely questions about whether or not he should be in prison for this I guess my question is like why would he confess so many times if he wasn't actually involved? well in court documents

He suggests that at the time he confessed he was just about to get out of prison for his other crimes And he wanted to stay there where he had a place to live three meals a day But I mean who knows if that's real we've seen a lot of false confessions and I can never make sense of most of them But brandon still sits in prison But here's the crazy part to me because even with him sitting in prison in the time before and after Other girls continued to suffer a similar fate Four months after tiffany pappish went missing 14 year old tammy seals went out to deliver newspapers in her hometown of cleveland And then vanished her body was found four months after that in an abandoned house

That was just a block from her own did she die in a similar way to like cini and kelly like strangulation and beatings So in her case due to her advanced decomposition there was never an official cause of death which potentially could have made it very difficult to see any kind of pattern if one was forming But eight months after tammy went missing another 14 year old girl named joanne hebert goes missing from dublin, ohio Joanne had ridden her bike to a local grocery store and she's seen by people in a phone booth out in front making a call And later someone spotted her bike still there, but tiffany was just gone And here's the thing after some time but like within the same day even her bike ends up disappearing too It would take two months before her remains were found three miles from her home

And like in cini's case, she actually had been beaten and we know she's been molested Now early on police were only looking at some of these cases as possibly being connected because of the locations Like cini's case and this one were considered as possible links because they were very very close like both Upper arlington and dublin are right around columbus while tiffany and tammy's case were more like north east ohio near cleveland and then even more cases start popping up in northeast ohio In october of 81 three months after joanne went missing and then just one month after she was found A nine-year-old named demita sullivan disappeared while walking down the street near her home in akron ohio Of all of these cases

Hers was one of the least reported on and one of the very few cases I found where she was initially listed as a runaway at nine years old When all these other disappearances and murders are happening in the same areas yeah, and This was super upsetting to see because when you look at why her case was possibly treated differently To me only one thing stands out Demita was black and all of the other girls were white And it took a long time for her case to be taken seriously

And it took five months before her body was actually found in a shallow grave Oh, that's the first girl that's been found where someone like actually attempted to hide or bury the body, right? Right, so that's notably different than the other cases we have and I can't say if there were any other similarities as to how the other girls were killed because by the time they did find her no cause of death could be determined Again because of the lack of reporting I don't know what was done to try and track down the killer in her case But without clarity I'm left to wonder if they had tried harder if more had been done Could it have stopped the next couple of murders because just 17 days after demita went missing

12 year old tina harm and vanished under mysterious circumstances tina was 12 going on 20 According to james renner's book the serial killers apprentice tina liked to steal Cigarettes from her mom's purse and she would hitchhike from her home in creston to a truck stop game room to hang out with her friends On october 29th tina was hitching rides to make her way to that game room But on her way she stopped at a convenience store to pick up a fudge circle When she never made it back up with her friends or arrived back home She was reported missing when police start looking into her disappearance

Witnesses described seeing her talking to and being followed by a young guy in his 20s Just as police were feeling like maybe they were making headway and getting some tangible leads Tina's body was found by hunters 40 miles away Like many of the cases before hers. She had been raped strangled Reclothed and then left out in the open to be found Though the one notable difference when we talk about comparing her case to something like cini's case Is that in tina's case semen was actually found on items of her clothing?

But in 1982 there wasn't much they could do with it However, there was some other physical evidence that they found that they could use back then All over her clothing were small orange fibers and dog hair They couldn't tell where they came from at the time, but they knew that if they could ever find a suspect They would have some really solid physical evidence to compare to Police tried hard to find that suspect looking at people in her family old boyfriends But they kept hitting wall after wall either the person had an alibi or they were ruled out in some other way But according to the Suzuki's thoughts blog after a few weeks

They got pointed in the direction of a couple of suspects that looked pretty good for it in their mind A woman came forward that said around the time tina went missing She remembered driving with her daughter and seeing a young girl struggling with two men in a van This lady said it felt so wrong that she started like honking her horn And that distracted the drivers and the men long enough to let this girl run away But she said that the van made a u-turn and went back after the girl And apparently this lady just kept driving. I was just gonna say she didn't stop or do anything else No, I mean she didn't even go straight to police. She's telling them this story after tina's been found and I

Literally can't explain the story any more than that like it seems bonkers to me But there they were with an eyewitness all too late and only a very fuzzy description of the two men in their vehicles So in true early 80s fashion the police asked the witness to be hypnotized to get more of a description Though it doesn't end up being super useful at all However, that actually ends up being unimportant because somehow some way a pair of friends comes on their radar A guy named Ray Rucker and Ernest Holbrook Now both guys have alibis for the time tina was taken But they aren't anything police can't like excuse away

And they're willing to excuse them away because they also find a witness who's willing to testify That these guys confessed to her and they even use this witness after she gives them incorrect information Wait, what do you mean? Well according to that same blog She tells police that they confessed to her and said they beat tina to death But the problem is like police already know at this point. That's not how she died right, but that still doesn't stop police They just end up finding another witness who can corroborate other parts of this story And based on these two witness testimonies and legit nothing else They charged both men with murder and ray is put on trial first and found guilty

Okay So Could they have been responsible for any of the murders before this? Well, I don't even know if the public had the chance to make the connection to any previous cases because here's the thing Just a month after ray is put away for life Another very similar murder was committed and this murder to those who supported ray and urnus was proof That the guys who were charged were innocent On july 17 1982 11 year old christa harrison was just across the street from her home

Collecting cans in a baseball field with a buddy her age named roy According to james renner's book roy said that around five o'clock. He sees this van pull up and a guy gets out and starts Walking towards christa now He's too far away to be able to hear what words are exchanged But he can tell that the man's saying something to christa and then she goes to the bleachers and sits down The guy sits next to her and tries to touch her inappropriately and she starts crying Now again roy's still like viewing all this from a distance away and he sees christa crying The man whispers something in her ear and then makes her get up and follow him to his van

She's put in the front seat on the floor in between his tube like passenger seat and driver seat And this guy drives away and as he's driving away. He yells out the window by roy Roy ran to christa's parents house told the family what happened and they immediately call police All roy could tell them was that this guy seemed younger like maybe in his 20s And he had like shoulder-length brown hair that kind of curled at the ends In less than a week christa's body was found She'd been sexually assaulted and strangled and then left in the open

Fully clothed but this time the victim was wrapped in plastic Now you might be thinking like okay, so far a lot of these cases seem similar But it doesn't mean that it has to be connected to tina. Yeah However, according to that suzuki's thoughts right up when the forensics team look at christa's body They find the same orange fibers that were on tina in christa's hair meaning she had to have been in the same place as tina Right, but how would that be possible if tina's killers were being held by authorities when christa was abducted and killed? Now the prosecution didn't want to say that they got the wrong guys Even though it was becoming clear to investigators that they were likely dealing with the same perpetrator

So initially christa's case had to be worked independently and at first it seemed solvable There was an abundance of evidence found near her body And there was even a second crime scene with items that linked back to her I mean they had men's clothing gloves hairs and even a cardboard box covered in her blood But they ran down lead after lead and kept coming up empty They tried to link the clothes to someone but no luck They tried to link the cardboard box to a buyer of the product that it packaged And though they got a long list of names, none of them actually popped out as being a potential killer

So dead end after dead end after dead end Family and friends watch the case get colder and colder While at the same time urnist was about to go on trial for tina's murder I mean, is it possible that urnist did kill christa either for the same sick reason as tina was killed Or even just to try to make police think a killer was still out there after his friend was in jail No, so from my understanding he was actually awaiting his trial in jail And couldn't have killed christa Now you would think that maybe the prosecution would rethink the charges

Maybe not push forward with the trial at least until they had a little more info on christa's case You'd be even more inclined to think that when you learn that one of their two witnesses who said that the guys confessed to murder You know legit the only reason they have these guys in prison to begin with right Well, one of these witnesses backs out and says that he was basically forced into testifying as a result of threats That police made against him. So they've got one witness instead of two Another murder committed with the same forensic evidence on the victim The case should be dropped, right? Uh, yeah, definitely. Oh no The prosecution still moved forward in august of 82 and somehow

They got another guilty verdict The next month is when kelly proser was murdered and then just eight days after kelly was killed Seven-year-old don marie hendershot went missing from massalan, ohio while walking home from her elementary school According to legal documents like within the first week or so police focused in on one of her neighbors A guy named donald l mower After police confronted him he actually confessed to don's murder telling them that he went to school to pick up his own Stepchildren and then other kids from the neighborhood who he was supposed to drive home, but when don got in his car alone He just took off and he took don to a wooded area where he tried to molest her and then ultimately

Killed her he first tried to strangle her and then he ended up shooting her in the back And listen, there's little doubt of his guilt or innocence since he actually led police to where her remains were in the woods But even donald's arrest didn't stop the killings on june 25th 1983 a 10-year-old named debbie smith went missing from the same town as dawn According to cleveland scene.com. She was with her brother david and they went up to this concession stand at this Little like fair thing to buy a drink and he turns his back for a second and when he looks back She's just gone Now in her case there is something new

After she went missing she made a distraught phone call to her mother though I couldn't find an exact like report of what she said But I don't know that it matters because her body was found near a riverbank in august and in autopsy showed She had been severely beaten stabbed and raped in another weird twist There was also candle wax found on her body and according to the serial killers apprentice book candles were also found nearby now during this time Both earnest and ray kept appealing their convictions continually pointing to not just the lack of evidence in their cases But also the fact that there were still girls going missing and being murdered regularly since their incarceration

And here's the thing even though they were both charged with the same crime under the same set of Circumstances when they both try to appeal their convictions One is granted a new trial and the other is not How I honestly don't know like there are certain things within the legal system that I will never Be able to understand like to me. This is so painfully clear You guys you were on trial for the same crime under the same circumstances, right? Some judge finds that that oh, yeah, you should get a new trial How do different judges find looking at the same exact stuff that this other guy shouldn't yet?

That's incredibly frustrating and I cannot comprehend it And we've seen so many things like this happen where it seems so painfully obvious from the outside and it's almost like weird like red tape is what's getting in the way When the rest of us are like, yeah, no, this is it shouldn't be this hard And this is just I think one of those situations and I don't know how to solve I don't know if it'll ever be solved. It's clearly like a broken system Now ray ended up getting a new trial and in that new trial

He was found not guilty while earnest got appeal after appeal Rejected and had to remain in prison This went on into 1983 until a shocking 911 call comes in The Clark prosecutor's office said that in October a 911 call comes in from a local resident who has this crazy story They say that a naked woman with a shaved head and handcuffs dangling from one arm Just appeared at their door and told them that their neighbor had abducted and raped her So this neighbor calls police police come by and they're waiting for said neighbor a 40-something-year-old man named

Robert Buell who before this had never really popped up on police's radar He was a city employee with no real criminal record But that's not to say police had never heard of him because you know where else his name came up Where on the list of people who made a purchase that would have come in a box Just like the one that was found covered in Christa's blood And when they search Robert Buell's place They find carpet fibers that match the fibers found on both Tina and Christa And they find dog hairs just like the ones on Tina and then they find candles that match the kind found at Debbie's crime scene

and Here's where things get Even crazier to me. So they decide. Okay. He must have killed Christa So they charge him with only Christa's murder. Hold up. I thought everyone said that Tina and Christa were Definitely connected like when I say definitely, I mean forensically. Yeah I mean they had the same fibers and the same hairs, but to be clear. We still have someone in prison for Tina's murder Yeah, yeah, yeah Do they happen to let him out once they arrest Buell? Actually, they do not

Here's how it played out. So Robert Buell is charged for Christa's murder in november of 83 Ernest then appeals his conviction again and like, okay You let out the other guy who's convicted of this Now you've arrested another person for the murder of one girl that you say is linked to the same person who killed Tina Mm-hmm. I shouldn't be in jail for killing Tina. It seems like a logical chain of thinking Right. It seems like they should let him out except they don't oh, you're kidding me The community had the same frustrated reaction In fact, the backlash was so severe that the prosecution actually had to reconsider

Though it didn't mean that Ernest wasn't gonna get out right away Robert Buell went to trial was found guilty and actually sentenced to death Then in may of 1984 Ernest finally got his conviction overturned. So did they conclusively link Buell to Tina and Debbie as well? Well, unofficially Yes, but like everything in this case, it's just a little bit more complicated According to a 1983 article from the Akron Beacon Journal Buell's name also started getting brought up in other cases like Demetra and Tiffany

And it was basically just kind of told to the families like look We got the guy he's on death row There's really no point going through more trials since he's gonna die. This is just good enough I mean, but is it? No, I mean it left a lot of questions open for the family like, okay You think they're connected? But again, the biggest question here is what if they are not then we need to be looking for more or different killers Throughout his entire imprisonment and through all of his appeals Buell maintained his innocence And he even got people to buy in like lawyers and priests who just thought he was incapable of doing what he was charged of

In his final words before his execution in 2002 Robert said Jerry and Shirley, I didn't kill your daughter The prosecution knows that and they left the real killer out there on the streets to kill again and again And those last words left a lot of people to wonder if maybe just maybe He was telling the truth. Was there someone else? And for a long time the author James Renner kind of Believed that there was like he said, listen, this dude is definitely a bad guy But Renner pointed out in his book that at the time of the murders

Robert's nephew actually lived with him and to Renner it made way more sense That the nephew could have been responsible. Why? So There are really a whole host of reasons for one in Christa's murder Remember her friend Roy said that he saw a younger guy like in his 20s and Buell was much older in his 40s Also, when Robert Buell got caught it was for kidnapping and raping that woman who got free and ran to her neighbors She was 28 which is Not quite the same victim profile as these very young girls And there are a lot of other weird

Cases and I would encourage everyone to go get Renner's book if you really want to dive into this but the biggest thing of all Was the fact that the murders of young girls in Ohio Still didn't stop after Buell was in prison Though there seemed to be a long lapse in time before the next case which was in 1989 when Amy Mahalovic went missing after school and was later found murdered left in a field Now her case has been covered by numerous documentaries and books We actually covered her case in depth in the most recent fan club episode But it's worth noting that like debbie

Amy also called home after she went missing but before her family actually Realized she was missing and this might have been able to give the kidnapper more time Like it's such a a weird coincidence that we see in these two cases that we don't see in any of the others Right and like so many of the other girls Amy was found in an open field and she had been undressed and then redressed by her killer Amy's case goes cold and really there's nothing like it again until december of 1995 When 13 year old Barbara Barnes goes missing while walking to school Okay, you have me like mom paranoid right now

My kids are never walking anywhere like from the house to the car nowhere ever I'm even carrying like my 12 year old on my back. They're definitely not walking to school though Yeah, so it's interesting right like this is one of the patterns I kept picking up on again not in all of the cases but in so many of these It seems these abductions happen either on the way to Or from school and I don't know like statistically If that is a very like high time of crime when kids get abducted like how dangerous is it to be walking to school? I mean for me

I look at it a determined time like a kid goes to school at the same time and gets home from school at the same time Like almost every single day It'd be super easy to establish a pattern of when they are or not going to be there And even if someone's going to be home when they get home That's true. I mean you're thinking about a predator who who probably is watching who is like Figuring it out. I mean that that makes a lot of sense Now barba was found months later buried in a shallow grave near her uncle's property And even though he failed a polygraph

Printy field reported that police could never link her uncle to the crime and so it remained unsolved After 1995 the rash of killings seemed to stop or at least slow But most of the cases remain open and unsolved and even some of the ones that were technically closed or solved Are still by many people considered not actually closed and maybe even the wrong person is in prison In 2008 Tina Harman's family was kind of tired of hearing that good enough again They had Buell in prison. He was sentenced to death for Krista's murder and the prosecution was like, yeah, you know, it's fine You got justice. He doesn't need you don't need to be connected to Tina 100% and they're like no

That's not true. We want to know because again, if it's not him There was things to test now She was one of the only victims that had actual DNA on her if we can be 100% sure Why wouldn't be so they demand to know once and for all if he was the one who killed Tina So dna testing was completed and by 2010 indian line confirmed that police had made a match between Robert Buell and Tina Forensically so his nephew didn't do it. Well, his nephew's dna was not on Tina and it's a little bit difficult and this is one of the things that renner points out to in his book a lot is

Nothing from the nephew was ever tested which seems kind of bizarre to me knowing that he He lived with Robert during this time. None of his prints were tested. None of his dna Nothing that belonged to him like his car his vehicles, whatever So yes, the semen they compared from Tina's crime scene was definitely linked to Buell But that doesn't tell us definitively that he didn't have an accomplice that he didn't have help I mean, I really

I have no idea. You know what I mean? We he was definitely a bad guy. He deserved to be in prison And if there was something else that could explain what happened after, you know, he went to prison and the killings kept going I don't know Here's what I do know. There are 12 young girls who were killed in Ohio between 1980 and 1995 10 of them were within just a three year time span and in very close proximity And I actually made a map Brett to kind of give you a visual Barbara is the only geographical outlier. She's kind of not in these two pockets

And Barbara and Amy's cases are the only two that happen much later than the others, but it's weird I mean when you look at it, it's bizarre, right? Yeah, I mean, it's already kind of unbelievable that all this is happening in the same state in like you said a fairly concentrated amount of time But the fact that you can narrow it down to these two distinct locations is Kind of bizarre and there's something else that I kept coming across that Again, I know they're not all linked but maybe like group all of these together and ask these bigger questions

because three of the cases took place in the month of june two cases took place in july two in september Four in october and then just one in december and that december one is barbara's case who also is an outlier in date and location So if you take hers out, we have 11 statistically This is kind of bananas that 11 cases are happening in two tiny areas

And they only happen during four months of the year What was happening in ohaya? Why those months? Now Tina harman's case is the only one to date that has been confirmed by police to be closed using dna evidence And dawn's case was closed through a confession where someone actually led them to her body. So they know he's the guy But the rest Were really kind of left to wonder about did buell or mower have more victims Did buell have an accomplice who helped him or carried out his work or continued?

Did the two men from a scenic's case continue their deviance beyond upper arlington? Maybe it's someone we haven't even talked about I again, I know all of these cases aren't connected But I don't think it's crazy to think that some of them might be And I don't think it's out of line to ask the question What was happening in ohio in the early 80s that allowed multiple monsters to prey on these girls and get away with murder? I know there's at least one police department looking to answer that I spoke with the columbus police about kelly prosser's case

And they actually confirmed for me that they are actively working her case and exploring how new technology could potentially Solve it and for you podcast buffs. They're actually documenting their reinvestigation in podcast form So if you want an even more in-depth dive into kelly's case Go check out their podcast called the fifth floor Perhaps we will get answers to kelly's case and maybe that could lead us to answers in some of these other cases because Each girl that we talked about a sena tiffani tammy joanne demida tina christa kelly Don debbie barbara and amy

They all deserve true justice Again if you want to hear more on kelly's case Go check out the fifth floor podcast And if you want to learn more about amy's case you can get a full bonus episode in our fan club And if you just want to know more about this tangled web of missing and murdered young girls Check out all of our source material on our website for a full list of articles and books that we used Including james renner's serial killer apprentice links for all of that will be on our website crimejunkiepodcast.com and be sure to follow us on instagram at crimejunkiepodcast

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