Dark History - 149: The Deadliest Cook in America? The Dark History of Typhoid Mary

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We had Murder Mystery and Makeup, a live digital premiere. It happened on October 15th and what an experience. I mean we laughed, we cried, we shared some intimate secrets. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. And we did it all live. It was so much fun and it's all thanks to you, my audience. Thank you for joining me. But here's the thing, I know some of you missed it. I didn't see you there, okay? Or maybe you just forgot to get tickets, maybe you were busy, maybe you had thing, I know some of you missed it. I didn't see you there, okay? Or maybe you just forgot to get tickets, maybe you were busy, maybe you had plans, you know, something, I don't know, either way, that's okay. I got you.
Starting point is 00:00:31 For the next 28 days, you can still buy a ticket and experience the entire event from start to finish as if you were there with us. If this sounds like something you wanna do, head on over to moment.co slash MMM to buy tickets to replay the big event. This truly is your last chance to see what Murder Mystery Makeup LIVE was all about. And if you're thinking hey why would I buy a ticket to a live event that is no longer
Starting point is 00:00:55 alive? That's a great question and I'm glad you asked. Well this episode of Murder Mystery Makeup lives only on Moment by Patreon. So once that 28 day window closes, this episode is gone forever. It will not be available anywhere else, including on YouTube. So it's just truly an exclusive story. And you can get your tickets to the 28 day replay over at moment.co slash M M M. That's moment dot co slash M M M. Now let's get into today's episode of Dark History. Earlier this year, I kept getting sick
Starting point is 00:01:33 and I ended up in the hospital like three times. I know, it was nuts. I'm fine, don't worry. I was just having like a terrible reaction to something. It was awful. But while I was in the hospital bed, my doctor came in and he was kind of, he was giggling a little, you know,
Starting point is 00:01:51 and he's like, I'm gonna start calling you Typhoid Mary. Oh, and I was like laying there. I was like, what? Who's Typhoid Mary? And what can I say? I mean, I get inspiration for these episodes in the strangest of places. I got to Google in Miss Typhoid Mary and I learned all about Miss Mary Mallon. And boy, what a wild ride.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Mary was a cook in the early 1900s and the problem was wherever she was cooking, people started getting sick. Some even dying. I don't know why my doctor called me typhoid Mary, because this is not me. But okay, for whatever reason, she just ignored the issues and she kept on cooking. And it had many thinking, like was Mary spreading disease on purpose? I mean, she did work in rich households as a poor immigrant. Could this be like a reverse Robin Hood situation?
Starting point is 00:02:44 Maybe she was like taking illness from the poor and giving it to the rich. I don't know. Or maybe she was the victim. Well, let's talk about it in today's episode of the dark history of Ty Void Mary. Hi friends! I hope you're having a wonderful day today. My name is Bailey Sarian and I'd like to welcome you to my podcast, Dark History. Here we believe history does not have to be boring. I mean, it might be tragic, sometimes it's happy, but either way, it's our dark
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Starting point is 00:03:43 in the comment section, I love hearing from you and at the end You know sometimes we read some of them. It's fun. Okay, let's get into it. So listen Everyone came in costumes today once again and Didn't let me know we have Joan over here Joan. Are you a germ? Are you are you typhoid? Okay, that's cute. You're a little too close though. And then I'm assuming Paul dressed up as Mary Mallon, AKA Typhoid Mary, right?
Starting point is 00:04:14 Fierce. You look good. Blue is your color. No comment? All right. You guys look great. I'm just Bailey. Okay. No comment? All right. You guys look great. I'm just Bailey.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Okay. Long before she was known as Typhoid Mary, her name was Mary Mallon. So Mary was born in County Tyrone, Ireland on November 29th, 1869. She's a sage, a free spirit, so this actually makes a lot of sense now. But at the time, listen, where she was born, this was one of the poorest counties in Ireland.
Starting point is 00:04:47 So when she was only 15 years old, Mary got on a ship and headed to the United States, and she wasn't the only one. In the mid-1840s, tons of Irish immigrants were coming to the United States, and that's because back in Ireland, the country was going through with a great hunger. Now this is commonly known as the potato famine,
Starting point is 00:05:05 where at least a million Irish people passed away, most from starvation. And those who were still alive, they were looking for a way out. Now the population of Ireland at the time was like nine million, and of that nine million, six million depended completely,
Starting point is 00:05:22 or almost completely, on the potato crop and a third of the population was so poor that they lived mostly on potatoes so when a mold wiped out most of the potato crop in 1845 it was catastrophic. Of course there was other food but people didn't have access to it and the wealthy English landlords they were harvesting crops and selling food to England and other countries. Pretty much everywhere but Ireland. It was f***ed up. A million Irish people died of starvation and over 2 million people left Ireland just altogether, looking for a better life. So Ireland ended up losing a third of its population in total. 75% of immigrants ended up in the United States.
Starting point is 00:06:08 And by 1855, 80% of New York City's domestic workers were Irish immigrants. And pretty much anytime there's like a big group of people from another country moving into a city, people just assume that like the immigrants are here to take jobs and like ruin things. So when this was all happening like most Americans were not very welcoming. In fact if you were Irish, most people really disliked you like automatically. At the time people would make jokes about the Irish being stupid, ugly, and dirty.
Starting point is 00:06:46 There were, I'm not saying that, that's what they were saying back then. There were political cartoons about it, like just tearing them apart. It was ugly. Like many Irish men found work doing labor while the Irish women mostly got work as domestic servants. When I say servant it's like exactly what you're picturing. If you were working as a domestic servant, I mean, it was grueling work, you'd be, it'd be like 14 hour days, you'd be working. And they, you know, they would be like the first ones up
Starting point is 00:07:15 in the morning and the last ones to go to bed. And that was the world that Mary entered into as a teenager. Mary got a job working as a cook, which was great for her because it was like one of the highest paying servant jobs that you could get and Mary was really good at it. I mean she landed a ton of different jobs working in multiple households for decades. By 1906 when Mary was in her 30s the Warren family hired her as their cook. Now she lived in their house in Warren's young daughter became ill with what was diagnosed as typhoid fever. Then that same week, five more people within the household began showing symptoms.
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Starting point is 00:09:37 using promo code darkhistory at liquidiv.com. So typhoid fever, what is it? I don't know. Well, let me tell you. It's an infection that's caused by bacteria. It's usually spread by water or food that's contaminated by fecal matter. And I know it sounds gross, but look, it's real. And it can hide under your fingernails, on your hands, or your skin.
Starting point is 00:10:03 And then you know, you wipe your nose, next thing you know, it's in your body. The disease would begin with like a headache, you would get fever, and then you would get like bloody, foul smelling diarrhea. Then usually like a rash would form, followed by a high fever, which for some could lead to like death. Now at the time, typhoid was terrifying
Starting point is 00:10:25 because there was no cure and a vaccine wasn't discovered until 1911. Plus like antibiotics, they weren't even discovered until 1949. So if you got this, you just had to like hope for the best and wait it out, you know? Now of the 11 people that were staying at that summer home, six of them got sick.
Starting point is 00:10:45 It was like mainly the workers, but not Mary. She never got it. And in fact, she appeared quite healthy. Like she showed no symptoms related to typhoid, which is kind of weird, because like everyone around her got it. Now it was said that Mary was a stout woman with a robust, healthy appearance. She had dark hair, often
Starting point is 00:11:07 pulled back or styled in a simple manner, with a round face and a strong, determined expression. Now at the time, typhoid fever was really associated with poverty and filth. So, you know, this town, Oyster Bay, it was very affluent and they never had like an outbreak of typhoid before. So when the wealthy Warren family home had typhoid going around, it made no sense to them. They're like, we're rich, this doesn't happen to us. You know?
Starting point is 00:11:41 And like, not only was it deadly, it was low key embarrassing. You're like, oh my God, we are not poor. This is not okay. When the owners of the house found out about the outbreak, I mean, they freaked out. The owner of the house was worried that none of the well-to-do people
Starting point is 00:11:59 would want to rent this fancy home if they knew people like got typhoid there. So he hired people to come and inspect where the typhoid may have come from before word got out. Apparently the house had been a wedding present and if they couldn't locate the source of the outbreak, it's possible that the house would be declared a health hazard and then burned.
Starting point is 00:12:21 So eventually the homeowner was introduced to Dr. Soper, who technically wasn't a doctor, but he was a sanitary engineer. One newspaper described him as a quote, a doctor to sick cities, end quote. Oh, yeah, I don't know how he got he got the doctor title, but he did. But whatever. So they call him up. So Dr. Soper, he comes out to the Warren home and he gets to work. He's like, I'm gonna figure out where this tie point came from. They check every corner and the water,
Starting point is 00:12:53 they check everywhere. So he does a little digging and then Dr. Soper finds out that the Warrens had recently changed cooks. The most recent cook was Mary Mallon and it was on because now she was missing. She was nowhere to be found. And she had left with like no notice or explanation. I mean, she was just gone. It was like, oh, that's, that's weird. Now Dr. Soper is like putting
Starting point is 00:13:18 the pieces together and he's like, you know, the cook was really the only new thing that was introduced into the household. And this cook handled food, which all the people who got sick had eaten this food. So, Dr. Soper, after some time, it took him a while, he believed he had found the culprit. It was this Mary Malin person. Now, after this, he was determined to find her before she got anyone else sick. So meanwhile, Mary was bouncing from job to job around New York. She was usually getting hired for like a few weeks
Starting point is 00:13:52 or months, then moving on to like the next gig. At one point, Mary started working for a family on Park Avenue in New York City. And pretty soon, two cases of typhoid were reported. A maid and the daughter for the family Mary worked for. Now the girl, the daughter, she would end up dying within just a few days. And word gets back to Dr. Soper. Now when he hears about this death, most people would be like, aw that's sad.
Starting point is 00:14:21 But he was like, oh my God, what? Type void? Where? He knew in his head that this was probably Mary's doing. So Dr. Soper, he hops in his little car, I don't know what he does, but he gets his butt over to that family home on Park Avenue as soon as he could. So he just shows up like out of the blue,
Starting point is 00:14:40 knocks on the door and asks to speak to Mary Mallon. So she answers the door and right off the bat Dr. Soper is like accusing Mary of causing the typhoid, getting people sick, and even killing someone. I don't know maybe Dr. Soper thought like she would just cooperate or like apologize. I don't know what he thought but But to his surprise, Mary was actually, she was pissed. She was pissed off. I mean, could you imagine you're working, you're working at your place of work,
Starting point is 00:15:13 and then someone shows up and starts making wild accusations that you killed someone in front of your employer. You're like, hey, whoa, whoa, now is not the time, you know? So she was mad, she's like, what the fuck? So this guy is just like making wild accusations, calling her a killer, and then he was demanding samples of her urine, feces, and blood.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Again, I'd be like, excuse me, who are you? Like, I don't know you. So Mary, she doesn't like say anything, she instead grabs a carving fork and then lunges at Soper, who I guess just like turns right around and he just gets the fuck out of there. So, I mean, Dr. Soper, he left the meeting empty handed and Mary was now feeling angry, scared, paranoid
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Starting point is 00:18:06 So now after this, in his opinion, Mary was a menace to society. He's, he's mad and he's determined. So Mary, she continues to work at the home on Park Avenue and Dr. Soper, he knew this. So one night he like goes to the home and he waited outside. He's like waiting for her to get off of work
Starting point is 00:18:31 so he could follow her. Yeah, okay. He's going full stalker. So Mary was walking home, whatever, and she stops at 33rd Street and 3rd Avenue where her boyfriend lived, a man named August Breoff. Now Breoff was a former policeman and he honestly, you know, he didn't really have much going on in his life, I guess, based off
Starting point is 00:18:53 what I read. I don't know. He drank a lot, he lived in a dirty apartment, he had a dog, and then other than that he had Mary. Mary would often bring Brioche food and like take care of him. It's kind of sweet. And when Brioche wasn't at home doing nothing, he would spend his days in a saloon around the corner. Now, remember, Soper like followed her here and he was watching the situation from outside, like a creep.
Starting point is 00:19:22 So I guess he was spying on them for a little bit because he, Soper, he takes notice of Briofe hanging at the saloon and he thought, Soper, he thought the best way to get to Mary would be through this guy. He's like yeah that's my way in. So Dr. Soper, he's like you know what I'm gonna go make friends with this guy. So one day he goes to the saloon and he becomes friends with Briofe. Now, Sober actually wrote about this encounter and said, quote, I got well acquainted with him. He took me to see his room. I should not care to see another place like it. It was a place of dirt and disorder. End quote.
Starting point is 00:20:04 So that's really nice of him, you know? Okay, so that night Dr. Soper went to the Breelph's home with him and he decides like I'm just gonna wait here until Mary shows up. Well finally, Mary walks in and right away she was pissed. She was angry when she saw Soper waiting there for her. I mean, what was he doing? Like stalking her? Like, leave me alone. She's like, what is this? What? So once again, like Soapr tried to explain to Mary that he believed that she was giving people typhoid. But Mary, like, refused to hear him out. She never had typhoid. How could she be given it to people? You know, like he was incorrect. She had been in perfect health and she
Starting point is 00:20:50 would not allow anyone to come to her home and make such wild accusations about her. So once again she I guess chased Dr. Soper out. So Dr. Soper, he felt like he had no other choice but to take the case to the New York City Health Department. He called Mary a quote, living culture tube and chronic typhoid germ producer, end quote. That's so sweet. Wow. I mean, like he doesn't really know for sure, but he was really, he really went for
Starting point is 00:21:21 it. You know, he was quick to tell everyone how big and strong Mary was, and it was almost like he wanted to have an excuse for like letting this woman chase him away multiple times. Here's how he described her to other people. Mary had a good figure and might have been called athletic had she not been a little too heavy. She prided herself on her strength and endurance. not been a little too heavy. She prided herself on her strength and endurance." Okay. Mary was about five foot six, so that's the monster of an athlete we're talking about here.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I didn't look up how tall Sober was. He must have been, you know, you know, a little bit maybe shorter. I don't know. But the New York City Health Department decided to send another doctor to help SOPR. A woman named Dr. S. Josephine Baker. I know I was like, what? Crossover episode? But no, there's no relation to the American-born French dancer, singer, and actress Josephine Baker, who we've done a Dark History episode on. No relation, not the same person, just same name. What are the odds, huh? But they thought, the health department, they thought that like maybe sending a woman might get through
Starting point is 00:22:33 to Mary more so than a man. If a woman came up to you and was like, hey I want to talk, you might listen. A man, you're like, get the fuck away from me. But they failed to mention to Dr. Baker that Mary might be a little difficult you can say. So Dr. Baker she's very excited she's like I'm going to Park Avenue to you know collect some samples from this Mary woman. So she goes to the home and right off the bat Mary once again slammed the door in her face. So the next day, a horse drawn ambulance from the health department was sent to Mary's workplace. Very dramatic.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Then I guess like three policemen, they show up, you know, and they surround the house and they're trying to like block any of the possible escape routes. So they're doing that. And Dr. Baker, she rang the doorbell. Mary once again, she answers. She sees them again, you know? And she tried to slam the door,
Starting point is 00:23:32 but the cop, there was a cop with Dr. Baker. The cop like put his foot inside the door so she couldn't shut it. You know what I'm saying. So I guess at this point, Mary had turned around. She bolted to the kitchen and like disappeared. She was gone. So Dr. Baker and the officer, they run into the house, they're chasing after her. They are asking the other workers in the home like where'd she go?
Starting point is 00:23:55 Where'd she take off to? But they had no answers. So they're looking around, they searched the closets, the basement, the living quarters, but they just like could not find her. They would continue searching for three hours calling for backup, but they got nowhere. So I guess Miss Mary, she had like run out the door. She hopped a fence and she hid in an outside water closet in the backyard of a neighboring house. And she was just hiding in there. Well, the police and Dr. Baker, they eventually find her. And she was like trapped in this room.
Starting point is 00:24:30 She had nowhere else to go, you know? So they got her cornered. And according to Dr. Baker, Mary had fought, she struggled and she cursed while she tried to explain that Dr. Baker was trying to explain that she only wanted specimens and then she can go back home, like that's all we need. So Mary again is refusing to comply with these people.
Starting point is 00:24:52 So a policeman just ends up picking her up and they put her in the ambulance and it was said that Dr. Baker like sat on top of her the whole way to the hospital so she wouldn't escape. So once they got Mary to the Willard Parker Hospital, the doctors for the New York City Health Department finally got what they wanted, Mary's stool samples. So according to the first analysis of Mary's stool samples, they revealed a quote, pure culture of typhoid.
Starting point is 00:25:22 So it was true. Typhoid seemed to follow her and she couldn't argue that. The health officials, they called her dirty and now they were calling her a murderer. The doctors told her that she carried the sickness inside of her body and she was spreading it with her dirty hands. But this was like, I guess, very, very insulting to Mary.
Starting point is 00:25:44 You know, she was proud of the work she had done. To her, she's thinking like, if I'm so sick, like, why did it take so many policemen to like, take me down? You know, like, if I'm so sick, how come I don't have any typhoid symptoms? What do you mean I'm sick? I mean, to her, they were the sick ones coming after her like this. I mean, they were obsessed with her. She's minding her business one day, and then the next, like she's locked up in a hospital
Starting point is 00:26:09 with random people coming in and out, making wild accusations. You're the sick ones. So with Mary being restrained at the hospital, Dr. Sober decided to pay her a visit. Oh yes. He's like, ah, they got her. So he goes and he sees her,
Starting point is 00:26:24 and once again, he's to explain like what they were doing and that nobody wanted to harm her. But also, in my personal opinion, it kind of seemed like he wanted a, like, you were right Dr. Soper, from her. You know, he wanted a, you're right. But she didn't give that to him. Dr. Soper told her that these germs were most likely growing in her gallbladder,
Starting point is 00:26:49 and the best way to like get rid of the germs would be to get rid of her gallbladder. Now when she hears that she didn't have anything to say, he then told her that he wanted to write a book, a book about her case, but first she would need to answer his questions. And most of all, he wants to know like how many times she had caused a typhoid outbreak. And Mary's listening to this and she's like, now is not the time to talk about a fucking book deal. Okay? Like I'm locked up in
Starting point is 00:27:19 a hospital like what? Like come on. No. She, she's just mad. So instead she just gets up, she doesn't say anything, she locked herself in the bathroom. She didn't say a word to Dr. Soper. So between March 20th and November 16th, Mary was tested three times a week while staying in the hospital. Now, a few of those tests, they did come back negative
Starting point is 00:27:44 and nobody could figure out why. Like it wasn't consistent. So Mary claimed that because some of these tests were negative, she, she like couldn't be the one infecting all these people, right? She's like, it's negative. It's not me. And she wanted to leave.
Starting point is 00:28:00 She was still at the hospital. So she didn't understand like why she was still being locked up if these tests were coming back negative. Well, Dr. Soper blamed Mary for her circumstances. He told her that since she had refused to help him or like any of the other doctors, she had to be kept in this tiny room. I mean, they didn't trust her. She's probably going to run off and kill more people. So again, Dr.. Soper he tells Mary like there are a few things that she could do to stop spreading the disease. Like for starters she should wash her hands after using the bathroom. Now to you and I we're like yeah you should do that maybe and maybe she
Starting point is 00:28:41 was we don't know but he assumed that she wasn't. To be fair, it would have been extremely difficult for Mary to fully remove all of the bacteria from her hands, even if she was washing them often. Why, you ask? Well, in order to rid any of the typhoid bacteria she was allegedly carrying, she would have to scrub her hands under hot water for at least 30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:29:06 And when I say like hot, I mean scalding hot water. Because of typhoid bacteria can't be killed in less than 150 degree water. And washing your hands in 150 degree water isn't something that you can just do. You can't do it because you would get like third degree burns in a matter of seconds. So gloves? Anyways, so even if she was washing her hands, you know, I don't even know why he was recommending it if she can't even wash her hands in 150 degree water. So kind of like shit advice, but okay, whatever. But Mary wasn't doing that. She wasn't burning her hands off.
Starting point is 00:29:53 So Dr. Soper kept recommending that Mary have surgery to remove her gallbladder, because again, they believed like it was living in there, but she didn't wanna have her gallbladder removed. I mean, she didn't trust Soper. She didn't trust these medical doctors, she didn't trust the medicine, and at this time like most people didn't. So you can't really blame her. And again these people had stalked and like kidnapped her. She's like, you're not gonna have my gallbladders. Is this like a black market plan
Starting point is 00:30:20 or something? I don't know. So Mary did not want to cooperate. So once she refused to not do the surgery and not help Dr. Soper with his book, this is when things were taken to a whole new level. I love reading. I buy a lot of books, many many books, way too many books. I have big plans to read all of them of course, but sometimes you know you're busy, life gets crazy, whatever, and finding time to sit down and read can feel, it's like when. When, you know. That's why I love Audible. Audible is an app that offers an amazing selection of audiobooks. That way I can read a book while I'm getting other things done, like cleaning, working out, driving, sometimes just laying on the couch and listening, you know. No matter what I'm doing I can listen to a great
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Starting point is 00:31:43 Sign up for a free 30 day Audible trial and your first audio book is free. Visit audible.com slash dark history. So Mary was staying at this one hospital, right? Well then they moved her to North Brother Island to be kept in total isolation so she could no longer infect people. Now North Brother Island is a tiny little island
Starting point is 00:32:07 smack dab in the middle of the East River in New York City. It's between the Bronx and Rikers Island. Now this island was originally purchased like from the Dutch by New York, specifically to isolate people with infectious diseases. They built Riverside Hospital there so that patients could be contained and also get treatment. And most people, they assumed if you were being sent to this hospital, it was most likely like you weren't leaving alive.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Now again, to Mary, it didn't make any sense to her as to why she's being kept at the hospital. She didn't have any of these symptoms of typhoid. She is confused. Really confused. So they end up putting her in this little cottage on the island and this is like where she was forced to live. Now this little cottage, it's kind of cute, it's small, looks like a little hut. It was originally built for staff to live in and it's nice. It had its own like living room, a little kitchen and bathroom and also had plumbing and electricity. So she was like allowed to cook for herself and just hang out by herself all alone. It was a very lonely, lonely place because she couldn't like be around anyone. So I guess like every few days she would be tested
Starting point is 00:33:25 for typhoid, but other than that, Mary was just totally alone all of the time. Start to go a little crazy, I'm sure. So by 1909, two years after she was first taken into custody, yeah, two years, Mary decided, she's like, you know what, I'm gonna sue the health department. So she wrote a letter describing her treatment
Starting point is 00:33:48 and living situation on the island. Now in it, she described being tested multiple times a week and developing like terrible anxiety from being kept in isolation. She described it as being like a peep show for the interns and like the other doctors. She's like, come and just look at her. She just felt like a cep show for the interns and like the other doctors. She's like, come and just look at her. She just felt like a caged animal.
Starting point is 00:34:09 I guess her anxiety got so bad that one of her eyelids started to twitch and eventually became fully paralyzed. You know what I learned recently? This is a side note, it has nothing to do with anything, but my eye was twitching like a lot. And then my doctor told me it was because I was really stressed.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I just didn't know that was a thing. So I could see this happening to Mary, you know? She's probably stressed, riddled with anxiety. I didn't know it could be paralyzed though, you know? That's really scary. Anyways, so that happened. So in her letter, Mary wrote about how she was almost released from the island until another doctor said
Starting point is 00:34:49 that she could only go if she agreed to have her gallbladder removed. But the doctors would flip-flop. It was like one week it was the gallbladder. The next week they would tell her the bacteria was in her intestines. Then they would say, oh no, no, no, it's actually in the
Starting point is 00:35:05 muscle of of your bowels. And then they'd circle back and be like no actually sorry it's the gallbladder need to have that removed. So it was confusing I mean how could she trust what they were seeing when it changed all of the time. So Mary just kept refusing surgery. So, you know, time's passing, she's thinking a lot and she's like, you know, I wanna prove that like I don't have typhoid. So she's like, hey, what if I have like an independent lab test my samples, you know, maybe these doctors here
Starting point is 00:35:41 are like messing with me, let me try a different doctor. So remember Brio, like Mary's kind of little boyfriend? Well, he was on the job. So he would take the ferry to the island, collect Mary samples, and then bring them to an independent lab. Now each of her samples came back negative for typhoid. She's like, see, I don't have it.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Now there are a few reasons like the test could have been wrong. The samples could have been old. Someone could have like made a mistake in the lab or maybe typhoid just wasn't present in every single sample that Mary provided. But to Mary, this only confirmed what she already knew, that these doctors were making up lies to ruin her life.
Starting point is 00:36:24 So she continued with her case, hoping to earn back her freedom. A little side rumor. People believe that William Randolph Hearst was the one who actually paid for Mary's attorney. But even with her negative test results and a defense attorney arguing her case, the court decided that the Board of Health was allowed to keep her in custody. Now to them, they were protecting the community. So Mary was sent back to the island and she's like, shit, now what? I guess she started picking up like little odd jobs around the place.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I mean, what else was she supposed to do to pass the time? Now there was one job she had where she was helping like care for the sick children who were staying in the hospital. I know at first I was like, is that a good idea? But I mean, they're already sick so... But I guess the kids think they really liked her. Well time passed, you know, and finally after about like three years of like fighting for her freedom Mary was allowed to leave the island. Oh yes so the doctors they're
Starting point is 00:37:35 like you can leave we have a few conditions. They told Mary that she had to promise to never work as a cook again. I'm laughing, cause it's like, promise, pinky promise, okay. And then, so she can't work as a cook and she promised. In return, the health commissioner offered to help her find work. Also, she would need to check in with the health department every three months.
Starting point is 00:38:05 Now this was mostly so they could keep track of her, know where she's living, where she's at and if there were any typhoid outbreaks in that area, they were like, they could link it to her. Essentially. So Mary's like, sure, I'll do whatever, you know? And she agrees and she was finally released back into society in 1910. Man she's been through it. She's been completely isolated just... Anywho. So Mary was now 41 years old and she was starting back at square one. She was able to find
Starting point is 00:38:38 herself a job working as a laundress but it didn't pay nearly as well as like being head of the kitchen you know. So she tried to sue the Board of Health for keeping her prisoner and was seeking like $50,000 in damages. But the judge threw out her case. So things are bad and you know when it rains it pours. And Mary's boyfriend, Brio, he became very ill. He was having like heart problems. So Mary had him admitted to the hospital. Sadly, her one partner in this life would die. Now this just like made her dislike the medical profession
Starting point is 00:39:16 a little bit more. She was worn down and she was at her last straw. She's like, look, I got nothing to lose at this point. No one is on my side. F this. So Mary stopped checking in with the health department and she completely disappeared. She changed her name and she went back
Starting point is 00:39:39 to the one thing she was good at, cooking. I've been trying to mix things up lately, like trying new foods, doing new experiences, and even trying out different styles. I know, I'm trying to be adventurous, except when it comes to finding a new doctor. No one wants to take a gamble on a medical provider. Well, luckily I don't have to, thanks to ZocDoc.
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Starting point is 00:40:53 like it's so easy, you don't have to talk to anybody. Recently, I needed a new therapist. So I went right onto ZocDoc and I found one that takes my insurance and it's nice because it has the option to do like over video. You don't have to go in person, you know? So I booked that and I found myself a new therapist and it's nice because it has the option to do like over video. You don't have to go in person, you know? So I booked that and I found myself a new therapist and it's been great.
Starting point is 00:41:09 I love ZocDoc. Highly recommend it, I really do. So stop putting off those doctor's appointments and go to zocdoc.com slash dark history to find and instantly book a top rated doctor today. That's zocdoc, Z-O-C-D-O-C dot com slash dark history. Zocdoc.com slash dark history. So Mary couldn't go back to work under her real name. At this point like her name Mary Matlin had been published in newspapers all over the country. They were all over the story.
Starting point is 00:41:41 The papers talked about how dirty and diseased she was and the name Typhoid Mary had become like a bit of a joke. It was a punchline, like with my doctor. So same thing, different times. So she knew like nobody would hire Mary Mellon. So she, you know, she had to use different names. For five years, Mary took jobs wherever she could find work. I mean, at restaurants, hotels, throughout like New York and New Jersey. And eventually she ended up employed as a cook at the Sloan Maternity Hospital.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Yeah, maternity hospital. Now, in March of 1915, that hospital had an outbreak of typhoid. Oh no, Mary. Oh, what are you doing? I know. Now 25 people, most of them were nurses and doctors. They became ill. And then it was said that like two people had died. Now the head gynecologist at Sloan Hospital, picked up the phone and made a call to someone who was known for being great at tracking down disease outbreaks. That's right.
Starting point is 00:42:53 Dr. Soper. Man. So, Dr. Soper, he comes in to the maternity hospital. And this day that he comes in, Miss Brown, or AKA Mary Mallon, she wasn't working. Hmm, she was off. So Dr. Soper was like snooping around and I guess he saw something that was very interesting. He saw a recipe that was written in Mary's handwriting. And I guess he immediately like recognized the writing
Starting point is 00:43:24 as Mary's because you know she was like she needed to pass the time while she was uh on that island and she would write him threatening letters. So he was like I recognize that handwriting. That's Mary. So Dr. Soper he hung out and he waited for her to come back to the hospital. She had to come sometime. But Mary must have gotten word of what was going on because she... Gone. Vanished.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Poof. Bye. She's like, nope. So Dr. Soper and stuff, they were able to find Mary through friends and I guess she was staying at a friend's house on Long Island. Now police go out there and stuff and
Starting point is 00:44:06 apparently they recognized her because of her distinctive walk. Dr. Soper described how she quote walked more like a man than a woman. He just like really did not like her. He's like bro chill. Okay but the cops show up to this friend's house where like Mary was at and you know they bring back up because she has a reputation for fighting but Mary was surrounded once again and she just didn't have that same fight in her anymore. She was 46. She was tired. They got her into custody and then they ended up sending her back to that familiar little cottage on North Brother
Starting point is 00:44:46 Island. And this time, she was there to stay. At this point, well, yeah, I mean, no newspapers or anything. They had, listen, they had nothing nice to say about her. You know why? Because she was working at a maternity hospital, so around babies and pregnant women, knowing that she was infected, and to them, you know, that was selfish,
Starting point is 00:45:10 other words that I can't think of, and they just like ripped her to shreds. Her life was like officially over, and I think she knew it. So Mary would end up spending the next 23 years of her life living in isolation on the island. It was said that she kept busy sewing, crocheting, baking, reading, becoming friends with the staff.
Starting point is 00:45:32 I mean, she really had no choice. There were only people around. And then in 1918, the hospital would allow Mary to go on like day trips to New York. So she would go visit the few friends that she had left and then she would return to the island in the evening. Which is weird if you think about it because if they think she's infecting everyone why would they let her leave still? I swear it's just confusing. It's like I don't know right? It's just like what are they what? Well one of uh Mary's friends on the island was Dr. Alexandra Plavska. I think I know that. So she trained Mary in lab work and the hospital
Starting point is 00:46:13 gave her a job as a lab assistant and Dr. Plavska would have like Mary over for dinner and it would be like her and her daughter her her daughter's name was Julie. And Julie described meeting Mary saying, she was a part of the family and we really loved her. Julie also described Mary as having quote, loving eyes. And it was like, finally someone had something nice to say, geez Louise, this whole time, it's just everyone's so mean.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Julie also said that after Mary would leave, her mother would boil all the dishes, you know, to disinfect them just in case. Be safe. Well, one day in 1932, Mary didn't show up to work and this was like very out of character for her. She was known to be like a reliable worker, she was never late. They were like, what else is she doing? You know, she can't say she was stuck in traffic. So they go looking for her. And that day they discover Mary on the floor of her cottage.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I guess she was paralyzed after suffering from a stroke. Now after this, she had lived in the hospital bed for like six years. She died in November of 1938 without ever experiencing symptoms of typhoid fever. Mary was buried in St. Raymond Cemetery in the Bronx and you can actually go see it. If you go see it, take a picture and send it to me. Send me pictures. I'm always asking you guys to send me pictures and I never get any. and send it to me. Send me pictures. I'm always asking you guys to send me pictures
Starting point is 00:47:44 and I never get any. So someone do it for me. Thank you, I wanna see it. So in the end, Mary was linked to the infection of at least 122 people. Now five of those people ultimately died of the disease. But here's something wild. You see, while Mary was living on North Brother Island, there was another carrier of typhoid
Starting point is 00:48:08 who was living and working in New York. Huh? Yes. Now this man, his name was Tony Labella, he was also completely symptom-free. Now Tony was a farm worker, but after he was discovered as a carrier, he was forbidden from handling food. He was linked to 87 typhoid cases and two of them ended in death. Now this Tony guy, he didn't listen to instructions and he went right back to work. He left New York and he went to New Jersey and while he was there, he caused like 35 more cases plus three more deaths. Now he was held in isolation for two weeks but then he was released and he got to just live his life.
Starting point is 00:48:58 So that was weird. And then there was also another man who worked in bakeries and restaurants who was also a carrier. He was told not to handle food, but he did it anyway. So when he was caught making a strawberry shortcake, which is super cute, right? He was brought before a judge. That judge said that he couldn't send him to jail and he would leave it up to the Department of Health. So this guy, I'm sorry, I forgot his name,
Starting point is 00:49:25 but he was not forced to live in any kind of isolation. He just got to live a normal free life. So, you know, I mean, what I'm getting at is, it turns out like there were typhoid John's, typhoid Tommy's just running around the East Coast, and they never had their lives ruined like Mary. So why is that, is the question. So in some cases, I guess the health department
Starting point is 00:49:56 was more lenient with these carriers because they were men, men with families to support. So they're like, it's fine, you could do whatever you want. Yeah, talk about a double standard. By the time Mary died, research showed that hundreds of people could be carriers of the disease
Starting point is 00:50:15 while remaining symptom free. And the only thing that was different was the way that she specifically was treated. Just her. Now, Mary Mallon is still known worldwide as Typhoid Mary. She was painted as a reckless and dirty woman who was either malicious or stupid in her spread of the disease.
Starting point is 00:50:38 I mean, really Mary was so much more than Typhoid Mary. She took a lot of crap from a lot of different people. From the rich family she worked for, to the health department, to the doctors. Mary had plenty of reason to be angry. Now, decades after her death, celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain, he wrote a book about Mary Mellon.
Starting point is 00:51:02 I know, I read it. Do you follow me on Goodreads? I read it and I rated it. No, whatever. It was really good book. Oh my God, it was really good. It was good. And in it, he relates to her as a chef. I mean, even pointing out
Starting point is 00:51:16 like what a nightmare her job must have been. He writes, quote, "'Had I worked in the homes of the rich and silly circa 1906, I would have murdered them in their beds with the nearest available blunt object. I was never tough enough to put up with what Mary put up with." End quote.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Mary infected a lot of people with typhoid fever, whether any of those she did knowingly. I doubt it, but we won't know for sure. But at the end of the day, she was locked up for it, all the same. After reading this and learning about it, every time I wash my hands now, after I go to the bathroom,
Starting point is 00:51:50 or before I make some food, I give a little nod and think of Miss Mary Mallon. The end. Thank you. Thank you so much. Hey, what a journey, huh? But next week, guess what? We are going to be talking about
Starting point is 00:52:07 a very different kind of scandal. A scandal that has to do with an item that you and I probably never think about anymore. Matches. Yeah, matches. Yeah, matches. You know, in the late 1800s, matches were found in pretty much everyone's homes.
Starting point is 00:52:26 People bought them from the store and didn't give any thought about how they were made. That is, until one journalist wrote a horrifying expose on what was really going down in the factories. Workers were suffering from a painful and deadly disease, leaving parts of their faces literally falling off. Oh it's wild. Yeah all of this because of matches? Oh yes. Oh yes. So join us next week when we talk about the matchstick girls. Thanks for hanging out with me today. I want to hear your thoughts on Typhoid Mary if she should have been locked up, isolated. What is the approach with that one? I don't know. I just feel bad for her. So sad. Well friends, thanks for hanging out with me today. You can
Starting point is 00:53:16 join me over on my YouTube where you can watch these episodes on Thursday after the podcast airs. And while you're there, you can also catch my murder mystery and makeup. That's on Mondays. I love to hear your guys' reactions to today's story, so make sure to leave a comment below so I can see what you guys are saying and your comment might even be featured in a future episode. Now let's read a couple of comments you guys have left me. Cheryl C2049 left me a comment saying I love Bailey's talking style and she talks history like gossiping weak with Bailey. Cheryl, thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:53:51 Honestly, like, so I used to hate history. Oh my God. I think I got like a D minus in high school. Thank you so much. Cause it was boring. But as I got older and I learned about it, I was like, oh my God, history is basically just all
Starting point is 00:54:06 hot gossip and like a lot of murder. It's wild right? And it's so complicated in school and it doesn't have to be. They make it so complicated. So I thank you for hanging out with me and I'm glad you like my talking style. Steph Oliver left me a comment saying, I hope Bailey feels an immense sense of pride when she says things like, we covered that in the XYZ episode. Remember? Professor Sarian, I've learned so much. Oh, these are all so nice. Thank you, Steph. That is really so sweet of you. Honestly, we've covered so much here on Dark History and I've learned so much and it, yeah, you know what's cool This is probably the coolest part about like the whole Dark History thing is if I get invited to like a party or somewhere
Starting point is 00:54:59 The knowledge I can just drop at any moment on the most random things I'm like, oh you want to talk about Stalin? Listen, baby. Let me tell you Or like, um, oh dildos. Do you know the history of dildos? I could just go on and on. Corn, corn, you want to talk about corn? It's so fun. I'm a great party favor. Whatever, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's cool. I love learning. It's my favorite. Honey Badger Girl 77 left us an episode suggestion saying, oh no, a whole episode on Helen Keller would be wild. She had an incredible life. Honey Badger Girl 77, listen, I know, I know. There has been like so much back and forth about Helen Keller online.
Starting point is 00:55:44 She had, I agree. She had she did I agree She definitely had an interesting life what I've read so far. She met some interesting characters. She had some weird beliefs But good ones too and have you seen bumper stickers lately There's been bumper stickers in my neighborhood that say Helen Keller Denier. I want to know more about this. What is this about and why is it a thing? But um yeah I think actually that would be a good idea. I know I've told this story a million times but I'm gonna tell you again just in case you haven't heard it because it makes me laugh every time. I used to get Helen Keller and Lizzie Borden mixed up. You know Lizzie Borden, the one who took an axe and murdered her whole family? I thought she was blind and
Starting point is 00:56:32 deaf and I was like what? She murdered her whole family with an axe and she's blind and deaf and then she went on to like win awards and stuff? And I thought that to be true for the longest time, like embarrassingly long. Um, but I know now, not the same person, but it's a fun thought. Huh? Okay. Thank you. Helen Keller. I'll write it down. There it is. I appreciate you guys so much for watching and engaging, so keep commenting because maybe you'll be featured in a future episode and hey if you don't know dark history is an audio boom original special thank you to our expert Susan Campbell Bartoletti author of terrible typhoid Mary a true story of the
Starting point is 00:57:18 deadliest cook in America and I'm your host Bailey Sarian I hope you have a good day you make good choices. I'll be talking to you guys real soon. Goodbye. One, two, three, four, five, six. Ooh. Ah.

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