Dear Hank & John - 24: The Great Finger Licking Debate

Episode Date: November 17, 2015

How do you learn new things as an adult? Oral surgery advice? Worrying about hexagons and etc!

Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and John. Oh, or is I prefer to think of it Dear John and Hank? It's a comedy podcast where me and my brother John answer your questions, give you dubious advice and bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. Hey John, how are you this week? I'm alright. I just came from my two-year-old daughter Alice's parent teacher conference analyzing her progress in school thus far. She's just turned to.

So it's a little early to declare victory, but there was widespread agreement that she is a genius. That's great news. Though also probably, possibly troubling. Like, genius can come up with its own troubles. Sure, but she's the smiley kind of genius. She's pleasant, she's social, she knows essentially every word. No, I couldn't be, I couldn't be proud of Alice.

I have to tell you, there is nothing more surreal than being in a parent-teacher conference for a two-year-old child. Because of course, there is very little to say. She eats with both her hands. That's the level of analysis that we can get into. But otherwise things are okay here in Indianapolis. I'm still struggling a bit to find a new medication regimen that will work for me with my mental health disorders, but otherwise I'm well the family as well. Sarah is in Washington DC right now for

the art assignment, so I get to be with the kids 24 hours a day, which is, you know, it's a thing. It's mostly fun and really, really rewarding. I'm lucky that I like being a dad. How are you Hank? I'm good. We just had our VidCon, like, big planning meeting with all of the VidCon staff. So that ended literally moments before we started recording this podcast, which is why I was a little late. And John has been waiting for me. Sorry, John. And I assume the summary is that VidCon will be great next year and that everyone should

get their tickets now at VidCon.com. VidCon will indeed be great next year. And everyone should, indeed, go get their tickets at VidCon.com. Now available at VidCon.com. Speaking of which, Hank, it's not just the time of year when VidCon tickets become available. It's that magic time of year that in vlogbrothers' world, we call pizza-miss. It is currently pizza-miss. A two-week period in which you and I make videos back and forth every day and also there are

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the sponsoring thing because I think we've just actually had a sponsored podcast. Did it, what? When, how? Oh, yes, yes, by VidCon and by PizzaMus. Yes. Do you have a short poem for us? I do.

It's called Poetry. It's a special poem just for you, Hank, by Marianne Moore. Again, the title is Poetry. You must bear in mind the title, Poetry, as I read you the poem. I too dislike it. Reading it, however, with a perfect contempt for it, one discovers in it after all a place for the genuine poetry by Marianne Moore, published in the Complete Poems of Marianne Moore, 1967. Where do you think cynicism comes from, John?

Well, the word comes from the ancient Greeks. Where do I think the idea of cynicism comes from? I mean, I think it comes from suspicion. I think that we are born rightly suspicious of one another end of the universe. Suspicious that perhaps the universe is not overwhelmingly interested in what happens to us. All right, let's do a question.

That was my question, and John answered it. Hahaha. God, this is do a question. That was my question and John answered it. God, this is such a great comedy podcast. I just... You know, I listen to comedy podcasts all the time and what I always find myself thinking is, well, this one's actually funny. That's the big... That's their big struggle advantage over a thing. Well, you know, John, it's sometimes it's okay to be structurally at a disadvantage. And I'm fine with that. You know, I think we've put ourselves in a place where we are incapable of success

in this particular genre, and that's all right. Growing outside of our current growth seems unnecessary to me. I want this to be super indie. I want it to be an indie underground comedy podcast that isn't funny. It's like, we're... And that's the only way to do it is just to not be funny ever. Yeah, that's the most indie comedy is the comedy

that doesn't even try to be at all funny. One of my favorite comedy performances of all time was Andy Kaufman reading the entirety of the great Gatsby. Yeah, we're not as good as Andy Kaufman on this, but we can endeavor to try and just to, and to list our podcast as comedy, and then talk about existential difficulties and the origins of cynicism.

And boom, boom, like, you know, a tenth of the way to Andy Kaufman. I'd say like maybe a thousandth, but let's answer a question from a listener. Okay. This one is from Aaron, who says, dear Hank and John, as a proper adult, I think I would love some dubious advice. So I've been to university and come out the other side, and one thing I now know is how much I still don't know. My study has always been focused on one area, art and curatorship and education.

But I want to start learning about other areas of life and I don't know where to get started. Where do you start learning about science and poetry and language and maths as an adult, especially if those subjects are your worst at school? Well, that's sort of the life story of my education. I think most of it happened after college, or at least outside of my two areas of study English literature and religion because I paid so little attention to school when I was in it. It was rather wasted on me, unfortunately. So for me, like the best way in was books. I don't think that's true for everyone. I think there's great like YouTube channels now. I think you could

follow. Hopefully Crash Course could be helpful, but also there's great like YouTube channels now. I think you could follow. Hopefully Crash Course could be helpful, but also there's things like Minute Physics and lots of other channels. But for me, it was books. And there are lots and lots and lots of books that seek to introduce YouTube physics or to biology or to chemistry. And they can be somewhat tough going at first, but I don't know, that was my way in. Hank, how about you? I agree, and yes, the difficulty is always that sometimes you will read something and you will be like, well, that is clearly above my pay grade.

And so can we take a few steps back? Finding the things that are really written for the layperson to sort of create the structure on which you can build your knowledge of a topic is always the hard part. I tend to actually end up doing that on Wikipedia a lot. And I will just get interested in a topic and I will read the Wikipedia page

and the nice thing about Wikipedia is that like in at any moment, you can click on the thing that you don't understand. And you don't even have to type it into the search bar and you're reading the article, you're like, okay, now I have to get, I don't quite get this, but there's this thing is clearly the part of this that I don't understand. And so I need to understand that part.

I also think that it is really valuable to look at what you do understand and use that as like a structure on which to build into other areas. And so sort of like a mold spreading across a piece of bread as it were so that you can take over the whole piece of bread. But you start from where you're at. You start from where you already have a deep understanding

where you've penetrated the bread and are extracting nutrients from the bread. And you understand that deeply. understanding where you've penetrated the bread and are extracting nutrients from the bread and you understand that deeply and then you move into other areas more on the surface and then go deeper until you've consumed the entire piece of bread and made it inedible to man. Yeah, I don't know if you're not allowed to eat mold. I think you can eat mold.

I think it just might make you sick. Yeah, so for instance, if you've studied art and curatorship, you might have studied something involving perspective and Renaissance painting or whatever, and that can be a way into big interesting questions in geometry. An example of this for me is that I read a David Foster Wallace book, Everything and More, because I really like David Foster Wallace, but the book was about Infinity and how some infinite sets are larger than other infinite sets, which is an important part of my novel, The Fault in Our Stars. And even though a lot of the math in the book was over my head and in the end, it turned out some of the math was in fact wrong. I was really, really fascinated by the way that

David Foster Wallace could link things that I already knew about in literature or in folklore to things that I didn't know about in, for instance, calculus and set theory. Yeah, and I find the more that you know about something, if you start small, the more that you know the more you want to know and the more interesting it all gets at every level. Okay, Hank, we have a question from Louisa. This is a vitally important one and very time sensitive. Dear John and Hank, I need to have my wisdom teeth removed in the near future. Do you have any tips on how to prepare for

and recover from oral surgery? Well, do not forget to have a person, the person who's picking you up and taking you home because of course you cannot drive home, to have their cell phone ready, to film you so that you can have that for the archives. Don't necessarily upload it on YouTube, but it is a nice thing to show around at dinner parties because there's nothing like being completely, completely trashed on oral surgery medication. That is the number one thing you have to remember,

is to videotape the immediate aftermath of you waking up. It's vitally important. There are some other things, you know, making sure that you don't get an infection that kills you, et cetera, but videotaping the moments after you wake up in oral surgery, absolutely vital. So you've come to the right place, Luis,

as you can already tell from ex-examen advice, because I've had 11 oral surgeries, so I am an expert in preparing for and recovering from oral surgery. The first thing that I would say is that getting your wisdom teeth taken out as oral surgeries go, not that big of a deal. I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you've got some serious impaction or something.

Basically, you're going to want to take the pain medication as soon as you're supposed to, so you can stay ahead of the pain, and you probably won't need it for more than a day or two. You're going to eat some grits and some milkshakes. Don't suck through a straw. Listen to your doctor and just change out the bloody gauze now and again and you're going to be fine. It's nothing compared to what I've had. I had a moment where I, after my wisdom teeth got taken out, where there was some food stuck in the hole.

Yeah. Don't try to do your best not to have that happen. So stay off the solid foods for as long as they tell you to and use that little that little injecti thing Fill it up with with room with body temperature water Yeah, and and make sure you clean out your your bloody holes Yeah, just remember to clean out your bloody holes. Go ease in you'll be just fine And and also I will say make sure that you have the person who's filming you be a person you can trust. Yep. Yeah, because you don't want them uploading that to YouTube without your

permission. So Hank, when I had my wisdom teeth taken out, my when I woke up, my oral surgeon said, are you a religious man? And I said, yeah, you know, somewhat. And he said, I ask because when I gave you the sedation, you crossed yourself once, which I ask because when I gave you the sedation you crossed yourself once Which seemed pretty normal, but then you continued to cross yourself for three or four minutes until finally A nurse just had to hold your hand down Because he couldn't get into my mouth because I was too busy crossing the power of Christ compels you. Yeah, you are unconscious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I really really really wanted to make sure as I was going down that I was well settled with the Lord.

I after my oral after my wisdom teeth came out, I watched the entire Godfather trilogy, After my wisdom teeth came out, I watched the entire Godfather trilogy, which is still a trilogy that I have not seen, as far as I'm concerned, because I remember nothing of it. Well, I can summarize it for you. The first two movies are arguably the two best films ever made.

The third movie is maybe the worst movie of all time. Oh, well, that is disappointing. So just watch the first two. All right, John, we've got another question. This one is from Udi who asks, dear Hank and John, every home room in school, someone from my home room is responsible for bringing

in food because lunch is often a lot later in the day. We've, somebody brought in a bag of potato chips recently, and I ate a lot of them, and while I was eating them, one of my friends criticized me for my eating style, saying that I should eat potato chips with only two fingers instead of three so that the potato chip dust concentrates more on two fingers and it is easier and more fun to lick it off. I refuted this.

No! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, what's wrong? Oh God, first off, oh my God, your dinner is burning. We're like halfway through the podcast, I completely forgot. Well, we are way, this is a different podcast, that was last podcast. This person has already set up their cell phone to scream for us. I know, but somebody's dinner could still be burning Hank,

but we have to stop this question right now. You do not ever lick your fingers, period, ever. No, no. John and I are going to disagree on this one. I'm licking my finger right now. Oh God. It is. We're doing it. Oh God.

My thing. I have. Oh God. Are you currently in the shower? Because that is the only time when it's remotely acceptable. Have you just applied Purell? You do not, unless you are absolutely certain that your hands are quite clean, you do not lick your fingers.

Hey, can I tell you the thing that bothers me most about the National Football League, which is a sport here in the United States, in which large men play with a ball that mostly with their hands. Anyway, what bothers me most is there's this position called the quarterback and every single NFL quarterback immediately before the hiking of the ball. They lick their fingers. All of them. It's the most horrifying thing because these are men who are sweating, they're touching other people's sweat and blood and God only knows what else. And then

they lick their fingers before every single play. It's a miracle that all of them don't have neurovirus every week. I'm sorry to feel so passionately about this, but I just think we need to stop this question right now and just say it is not okay to lick the potato chip dust off your fingers. I think that one of the principal joys in life is being able to ingest bacteria and not die. And that's something that we do constantly every day. If you eat food, lick your lips, touch things, you know, you went in the white river and drank literally thousands of people's feces, John.

It's okay. Hopefully it's just hundreds. At least hundreds, probably thousands. It's feces, John. It's okay. Hopefully, just hundreds. But at least hundreds, probably thousands. It's all right. It is okay to, it is okay that we have this relationship, and we have an immune system, and it functions very well, and if you do not have an immune system problem, you can lick the potato chip dust

off of your fingers. And, John, you're going to argue against me. And that's okay. We're going to agree to disagree on this one. And I'm going to continue to like you as a person. I think that that might be the most dubious advice that you have ever offered in the entire history of this dubious and licking their fingers since the beginning of time. It's literally a cliche finger-licking good. It has in the three word cliche the description of what finger-licking is and the word good. It's not bad. Do you know what all of those people from the very beginning of time who licked their fingers have in common? They died of various diseases that were not caused by finger-licking. They're dead. That's right. You were on the right track, but they're all dead.

Every single one of them. They're finger-licking dead. Let's move on. Udi, respectfully, just don't. It doesn't matter if you're licking two fingers or three fingers. Just don't lick the fingers. You know, okay. Well, I'm not going to say that. respectfully just don't just don't it doesn't matter if you're licking two fingers or three fingers just don't lick the fingers you know okay

well we're I agree that it doesn't matter which fingers fingers you're licking John and I can agree on that point but we have a second part of the question which was how can we agree on important things like who should be the next president or if Darth Vader was ultimately good, when we can't even agree on how many fingers we should eat potato chips with? Oh, I see. So the underlying question is like,

given how difficult it is to come to a consensus on very basic things, like whether we should lick our fingers to death, should we, how are we ever going to come to consensus on more complicated topics? The answer to that question, I think, is with a very large data sample, like with a very large, in a very large conversation that is inclusive. So I think that-

So the wisdom of the crowds. Yeah. I think that we govern better and we live better when we learn together and listen to each other and include as many voices as possible in these big conversations about what we should do and why. And I think by the way that if we included every possible voice, there would be widespread agreement that you shouldn't lick your fingers after eating potato chips, but let's move on. Or we could just compromise, average it out, and say that you should be eating with one and a half fingers. And that is almost precisely the argument that the United States Congress people make against

compromise. What are we going to cut everybody's fingers off? Just, we're all, everybody's only gonna have, what are the half fingers at the end of this conversation? I threw my pen, I was angry. Yes, it's not a sound argument, but it is one that I often hear from Congress people. Let's move on to another question, Hank. This one's from Alex, he writes, Dear John and Hank,

this is a pressing question that has been haunting me for the last few days. Oh, for days. I was expecting years. Why are bananas hexagons? Well, I would argue that bananas themselves are not hexagons, that they're rather circular, but the peel is rather hexagonal, hexagonal, hexagonal, hexagonal, professor mechanical. Uh, hexagonal. Oh. Uh, and, and yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I want a banana in front of me right now because I'm not sure that bananas are hexagonal or that they certainly,

I'm not sure that they would be universally hexagonal. I mean, there are lots of hexagons in nature, though. It is a very strong shape. It is a shape that is good at having a large surface area to volume ratio. Why is it, oh, that's why, so if something is like a shape that appears a lot in nature, it's often because it's a strong shape. Explain that to me. Well, I mean, like, for example, if a bee wants to build a honeycomb, they want that thing to be structurally sound.

Sure. And, and, you know, like grids of hexagons just are really good at, at, at stress load. So they, like, they have lots of different little points where the, where the stress just are really good at stress load. So they have lots of different little points where the stress can compress them. There's no one point that has a ton of stress on it. It shares the load between a lot of different points. But the reappearance of certain shapes

over and over again in nature is very interesting and very weird and that it follows You know mathematical patterns that we established before we found them in nature is very interesting and and is sort of above my pay grade Isn't that what John Nash wrote his Nobel Prize winning Paper on I do not think so okay. Well what what what what do I know? Um, so let me ask you a question. This may be a stupid question, but if a hexagon is good, does that mean that an octagon is better

and it's just that like bees aren't smart enough to have figured that out? Well, first, it would not be bees. It would be just sort of the process of evolution that quote unquote figured that out. Just trial and error and what worked and sticking with what works. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that an octagon would be better and there might be a shape that would be better, but hexagons are really good at stress

load and at like the amount of material you have to use per thing in nature. So let's use less stuff to have more. All right, so basically we're going to have to get a real expert in industrial engineering on this podcast to answer that question. The important thing that I have to say here is I don't know. And I think that it's important that I say that more often. Okay, good. I will look forward to finding out about that next week. In the meantime, we need to answer a couple more questions from our listeners before we get to the amazing news from AFC Wimbledon and also the news from Mars, which is a cold dead rock in

the middle of space. I do have another question. It's from Monica, who asks, dear Hank and John, for my senior year of high school, I decided to take a government class. So far, I've very much enjoyed the class and discussions that we have. I took the class because I feel that as an American, it's important to understand our government and politics. I'm very interested in voting in the upcoming presidential election. I know both of you feel strongly about voting, so I was hoping you could explain the process that I will have to go through in order to vote,

including everything leading up to voting and the actual action of voting itself. Thank you. So Monica, you get to something important about voting, which is that it's stressful and it's a little bit overwhelming and it feels complicated and often it is a little bit complicated,

especially in the United States. Perhaps it arguably much more complicated than it needs to be, because there are forces in the world that would like a person that is as young as yourself, not to vote. Yeah. And those forces are at times very powerful. So it depends on where you live.

In some places you can register to vote on the day that you vote. In some places you can vote early. And so you have to look up the rules in your particular state. But in most places you have to register to vote. You can do that at a DMV or at a library. I like to do it at the library because then you get to get books as well. So it's kind of a double win. Or you can do it as a post office, lots of places you can register to vote. You can also do it through the mail, I think. It depends on where you are. Yeah.

Also, the nice thing about all of this is that we now live in a world where you can type in the name of your state and register to vote. And oftentimes you can just do it on the internet. So that's true. Yes. There's always the internet. I keep forgetting about the internet. That's a great point.

It's because when we registered to vote, you literally couldn't, like in order to figure out how to register to vote, like I only did it because there was like a table at my college that was like register to vote. And I was like, yeah, they yeah, I'll do that. And that's kind of crazy that you, it used to be so hard.

And now it's quite easy. And even if you can't do it on the internet, it will tell you how to do it. And give you a number of options for how to register to vote if you've never registered. And there's nothing bad about registering to vote. People will say that, oh, now you're gonna get jury duty. No, you will get jury duty whether or not

you register to vote. It's not like you're registering for jury duty. You, that is a completely different list of names. And then as far as the process goes, I am now at the point in my life, and luckily Montana has really good laws with regards to this, that I don't go to the polls anymore. Now I think that one person, like every person should do that at least once in their life, like go and do the thing. But now I just absentee vote, even though I'm not absentee,

and that is there's a word for that that escapes me at the moment, but it's just early voting. Early voting. They descend you in envelope in the mail, you sign up for them to send you the envelope, you do it, you fill it out, there's a little thing to sign on the thing,

make sure I did this and not some person who lives in my house, and then you sign on the outside of the envelope, and you follow all the instructions, and you get time to think about it, and if you don't know what one of the ballot initiatives is, you can look it up on the internet. Oh, process, if you do a lot of research,

takes like an hour, and like, to, to, like that's obviously not gonna be what you do if you go to the poll, and you like have to like, look at the ballot, what it's gonna be before you do if you go to the poll and you have to look at the ballot, what it's gonna be before you do it and do all that research beforehand. So early voting is really nice if your state allows it. And I suggest that going to the polls is a unique experience and one that I'm glad that I have done.

But early voting is super easy and not stressful at all. Yeah, so I find going to the polls a little bit stressful because you have to stand in line and stuff, but you can bring a sample ballot with you. That's what I do every year. I bring a sample ballot with me that I print out from the internet and I have filled out my sample ballot already in advance.

So I know the answer to all of the questions about who I'm going to vote for before I get to the voting booth. Now, I will say that I made a mistake in my first presidential vote, which was embarrassingly laid in my life. It was in 2004. I made a mistake and I just raised my hand and said, I have made a mistake. I have voted for the wrong person for the president and someone came and they spoiled

my ballot and they allowed me, you know, and then you get to vote again. It was a little bit embarrassing, but I learned that it's in fact very easy and not a big deal. In general, all of these things are stressful because they are unknowns, but they are not difficult and there are people there at every step of the way who want you to vote. And the most important thing I would say is this is the way we have in the United States of your voice being heard. It is not a perfect way, and I think right now the political system in the United States is not perfect.

It's not particularly high functioning, but like, this is the way. So it is vitally important that you do it, and not just I would argue on the presidential side of things, but also way down the ballot. I mean, who are you going to vote for for Comptroller? It turns out to be a very important and interesting question. And so take a little time to do your research, to learn about the candidates, to learn about their positions, and to learn about the parties that they represent, and vote not just for president,

but all the way down the ballot. And an interesting thing has happened in America because of both gerrymandering and because people who are more liberal tend to think more nationally and people who are more conservative tend to think more nationally and people who are more conservative tend to think more locally, that we have, you know, we are entering an era where we may end up having a lot of democratic presidents and a lot, like a vast majority

of Republicans in local government. And that becomes a difficult country to manage. It becomes like, it starts to feel like there are two different forces running the country and that tension between local government and national government becomes that much more intense. That tension is always going to exist and is kind of meant to exist. But I worry a great deal that, you know, a lot of people don't think at all about their local politics, especially if they like me live

on the internet. And that we end up in a world where where where no government gets done, because all government, because state and local government have are continually at odds with each other. Yeah, that's an interesting observation. I am less convinced that there is a sort of national democratic majority than a lot of a lot of people are. Obviously, we'll see in this presidential election cycle, but I do think that there is a disconnect for people who live on the internet that they don't think about local politics the same way that other people do. And we need to, we need to think more about local politics the same way that other people do, and we need to,

we need to think more about local politics. I think that is a huge issue. I also share your concern, Hank. As you know, I'm a massive fan of stability. I think stability is the most underrated political resource. And that's easy for me to say, being in a stable position of power, but I really do, I think like government that works is extremely important. It's more important in the end than like, for instance, like government that works is more

important to me than the question of whether we should have lots of government regulations or not that many. Like having a highway bill every year, which we had for, you know, 55 years until this sort of gridlock descended upon our federal government. Having a highway bill every year is really, really important. More important in the end than the highway bill being perfect. And I worry that we have moved away from government that works toward government that seeks to be perfect or ideologically rigid, and in that process, we have lost a big part of kind of the United States as competitive advantage of always being a place

where we fix our bridges. The very least. I'll tell you what, man, being a country that has good bridges is incredibly underrated. I have been to a lot of countries that don't have good bridges, and it really slows down commerce. And also everything else, it makes everything harder.

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over every single potato chip that makes a taste just the right amount of salt and just the right amount of vinegar. And of course today's episode of Dear Hank and John is as always brought to you by death. Death. The certain consequence of licking your fingers. Alright Hank, one last question. This one's from Dale, he writes, Dear John and Hank, December 21st is when my son will be born into this world and I'm really excited and cannot wait to see him and hold him, but

how do I know I'm gonna be a good dad? I mean, I think I will be. So my question is, how do you know how to be a good dad? Now, you might think that this question's more for me than for Hank, but as it happens, we both have a good dad, a really good dad. And so perhaps we can draw on some of our experience of having had a good dad in answering this question, but as far as my own experience Being a father goes

I would say the main thing that I try to do, and I don't know if this is right or wrong or what, I don't really believe anybody when they give parenting advice, the main thing that I try to do is to love my kids and to help them know that they are safe. When they're in infant, you know, that's relatively easy. It just means holding them. It means comforting them when they cry, showing superhuman patients when they wake up at 3.30 in the morning and won't stop crying. And when I lose that patient's walking away rather than like, you know, screaming at them. But then as they get older, I think rather than like, you know, screaming at them. But then as they get older, I think it's this, you know, for me at least so far, it's the same thing just with a slightly more complicated organism that I'm parenting. But I think, you know, it's interesting to think about our dad Hank,

because I think that both of our parents were uncommonly, or still are, uncommonly good parents. Yeah, what I felt like was that my dad tried to help figure out who I was and help me figure out who I was. And that meant when I showed an interest in something supporting that and when I adopted identities, being supportive of them and being enthusiastic about those things himself, and wanting to be a part of the things that I was a part of. And now, of course, eventually, that felt like it was overbearing. And I was

like, I, your dad, you're trying to always get on, stuff, and to supportive, stop being so dang supportive, dad. But for the most part, I really do feel like it helped me figure out who I was and become me and become comfortable in me, and that was really important. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think both of our parents have been that for us. They always wanted us to live our dreams.

They never wanted us to live their dreams. And they were always very supportive in us, to live our dreams. They never wanted us to live their dreams. And they were always very supportive in us, figuring out our dreams. And even when our dreams were not typical or maybe easy dreams, they were always very supportive of them. One thing your comment reminded me of Hank is when I was going through a very rebellious phase when I was in ninth grade I bought the nine-inch nails album, Pretty Hate Machine. Oh yeah. A great album.

And but it has a lot of explicit lyrics and it and everything and my dad was like, do you mind if I listen to that? No it's fine man. You're not going to like it. It's really, it's really hardcore. And my dad went into the album and infuriatingly, he came into my room and I remember he said, this is so good, I'm going to have to get my own copy. It was the most effective way to completely defang all of my teenage rebellious rage for him to be like, you know, some of the lyrics are a little bit provocative, but I really enjoy the music. Yeah, I mean, it is a really good album.

I inherited that from you, I think. Either that or I ended up with dads. Yeah, I don't think dad really liked it. I think he was just proving a point. Um, all right. Let's move on to the news from Mars and AMC Wimbledon Hank. What is the news from Mars this week? Hey, John, have you ever felt like, boy, I want somebody to put me on top of the largest bomb ever and shoot me in outer space. Well NASA is looking for its next round of astronauts. They will be officially opening up applications to become an astronaut. The qualifications are surprisingly accessible.

You only need to have a BS in a science-related degree, and it helps if you have some experience flying planes. But not completely necessary, and also, you will have to pass their physical because being an astronaut is a physical activity. They will accept between eight and 12 astronauts for this round, and those people might be the people who end up being the astronauts who go to Mars on the very first Manned Mars missions, which would be pretty exciting, which are planned

for the 2030s. But you know, that's just a plan. Hank, are you going to apply? No, definitely not. I would not pass the physical, probably couldn't, just because of my colitis. And also, I get C-Sick really easily and also I am afraid of death. Yeah, I'm also not going to apply. I don't think that I would make it very far in the application process when they were like, how do you feel about living with six people for a year?

Are you a pretty emotionally stable person? I would be like, how do you feel about living with six people for a year? Are you a pretty emotionally stable person? I would be like, I'm out. Yeah, nope, nope, definitely not. We do have John a friend who is applying. Wow, that's exciting. Yeah, a destined from Smarter Every Day. He is, and he would be a great astronaut, actually. Yeah, he would, and he's working hard toward that goal.

He wants to make it happen. That would be so, so cool. To know an astronaut would almost be better than being an astronaut. Definitely would be better than being an astronaut, though at the same time, that would make me extremely nervous. Yeah. Just, I mean, less nervous than doing it myself, but very nervous. Yeah. Agreed. I love Destin very much, it myself, but very nervous.

Yeah, agreed. I love, I love Destin very much, and I also love his family. Can I tell you the news from AFC Wimbledon Hank? Yeah, go ahead and do that. It's darkness. It's pure darkness. Oh no!

I thought you said it was exciting. No, no, no, I was lying. I was trying to get people to make it to the end of the podcast. The truth is darkness. Oh no. As you know, last year, AFC Wimbledon advanced to the third round of the FA Cup where they played Liverpool football club. The team I've supported since I was a kid. It was an amazing night. I flew to London to go to the game and it was just a wonderful thing. This year that won't be happening because AFC Wimbledon lost in the first round of the FA Cup to a team

from the league below them called Forest Green, which is not even a football team. It's a color. Oh, no. I know. Oh, man. They lost to a color, Hank. They lost two to one entirely, in my opinion, because noted Montserrati and international Lyle Taylor did not score a goal for the first time in several

outing. So, you know, in some ways it's bad news. I mean, in fact, in almost every way, it's bad news. But I try to find the silver lining and this is it. This means that we can focus all of our energy on winning league two, on advancing up to league one. So now we don't have any distractions, we don't have any other competitions. The focus is all on the league games. This weekend for me, the past for people

who are listening to this, AFC Wimbledon play, probably the biggest team in league two, Portsmouth, which has a, like, a 20,000 seed stadium. Tens of thousands of people go to their games every week. It's really exciting to be able to play a club like Portsmouth. So that should be a great outing for AFC Wimbledon supporters. Hopefully we'll get a win.

They're very near the top of the table. So if we can beat a club like Portsmouth I am going to start to thinking about, thinking about, thinking about dreaming. So I will be only five removes from properly dreaming about going up to League One. So that is the news from AFC Wimbledon. Well, I'm sorry to hear that, I guess. Yes, well, life is full of disappointments large and small

and you just have to adjust to them and move on. All right, but is that count against your points to lose to a team so bad? No, because it's a completely different competition. So it does not count four or against points. So that's good then. Well, it's bad because if you make it to the third round of the FA Cup,

then you can play a big team like Liverpool and you can make more money in one day than you make in the entire season. But I see. But it doesn't matter because that's not what happened. So it goes. All right, John. Well, what have we learned today? I mean, we learned that hexagons are surprisingly strong

and that there is something that Hank doesn't know. We learned that voting is stressful, but early voting just isn't. And of course, we learned that finger-lican good is finger-lican dangerous. Now I want some fried chicken. Uh, this has been Dear Hank and John. John, that's the guy who's chuckling in the background.

I'm Hank, and thank you for joining us today. Our theme music is by Gunnarola. Our podcast is edited by the brilliant Nick Jenkins. And as we say in our hometown, don't forget to be awesome. And we also forgot to say you can send us questions at Hank and John at gmail.com or hashtag DearHank and John on Twitter. I'm Hank Green. And we also forgot to say you can send us questions at hankinjohnetgmail.com or a hashtag deerhankinjohn on Twitter. I'm Hank Green.

He's John Green. But of course, no one is listening now, so no one will send in questions this week. Dang it! Just get nothing, nothing! That was a good, good, good podcast! to