Dear Hank & John - 373: Infinitely More Versatile (w/ Mike Trapp!)

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Why do we have Eastern and Pacific time zones? What would happen if I blended a smoothie for a year? What's the most versatile food? Why are some towns completely circular? Why do we get in the shower instead of under it? Why do people like surprise boxes? Hank Green and Mike Trapp have answers! And you can catch more of both of them on Dimension 20's Mentopolis, now on Dropout.tv!If you're in need of dubious advice, email us at [e-mail] us for monthly livestreams and an exclusive weekly podcast at patreon.com/dearhankandjohn.Follow us on Twitter! twitter.com/dearhankandjohn

Cold open. Oh my gosh, it's happening. Hello, everyone. It's kind of not happening, but it also is but it's kind of not but you'll see so here's the situation I am currently on a show a show that is on the internet called Dimension 20 and the season is called Maintopolis. It's a lot of fun. It's a tabletop role playing game show and this season is playing game show and this season is me and a bunch of cool people being inside of a man's mind and trying to solve mysteries. It's like a inside out but noir detective thriller. And it's very fun. And you can watch the first episode for free on YouTube and then the rest of them are behind a paywall at dropout.tv, which is a subscription service that I quite like.

And I'm a big dimension 20 fan and I was really excited to be on the show and I am. And when I was like, okay, well, this show is gonna come out, what we should do is we should record a bunch of podcasts with all the other people who are on the show with me. And then I got diagnosed with cancer and I got very busy with that, and I had only recorded one of them.

And so, and I was, we were gonna release them during the release of Maintopolis, which is now going on. So, we're gonna release the one that I recorded, which was, which is with mic trap. And you can get that, and it was recorded back before I had diagnosis of any, I did not know there was anything wrong with me. And you can watch the first episode of mentopolis on YouTube by searching Maintopolis on YouTube. So this is kind of not the thing. It's a guy we're kind of not coming back, but the news is we also are coming back.

We're gonna start recording Dear Hank and John again and they will start coming out in October. I believe that's the plan. They might come out a little bit sooner than that, but we'll see. We're still in sort of a transitional phase. Someone used the phrase healing season. You're in a healing season with me the other day. And I'm like, yes, I am in a healing season.

And I'm going to try and take care of me as much as I can. So thank you. We're sorry that we went away for so long and then we are very excited to come back But in the meantime, I hope that you will enjoy this episode of Dear Hank and John Except it is not Dear Hank and John. It's Dear Hank and trap Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and John or as I like to call it dear trap and Hank It's a podcast where two brothers and sometimes a brother and a friend answer your questions, give you to be advice and bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon

but probably not that this week. Hello! We're joined by a special guest today. This is Mike Trap of, um, actually and various other cool things that have happened in the world, College Humors stuff and sometimes Dungeons and Dragons things. Hello, hello, thanks for having me. Do you know why you're on dear Hank and John? I mean, I think it has something to do with the fact that we have recorded and hopefully

by the time this comes out, put out a season of Dimension 20 called Maintopolis and we had a great time playing, we did, I was going to say D&D together, I guess it was kids on bikes, but we table top together. We had a great time and now we're just, we're keeping the party going. It's been so hard to not talk about this. I don't know how people do that. I am a YouTube boy and I live a YouTube life and to have made a piece of content. I don't even know, like months, almost a half a year between when it was recorded and when it comes out is very uncomfortable for me, especially when I have been as excited

about it as I am about this. Yeah, you don't get that instant gratification. I mean, I've been writing for animated shows since 2020. And what are some of your credits? Well, that's what I was just about to say. I can't talk about any of my credits because they haven't come out yet. They're like, what have you been doing for the past like three years?

And it's like, well, one is a show that hasn't come out yet. I don't think I'm even allowed to talk about it. I think I can say that I'm writing on big city greens right now, but the stuff I'm writing won't come out for another two years or so. So people are like, I want to check out your things. It's like, you can't. I either can't talk about it or you got to wait. I'm writing things that are going to come out of the mouths of animated characters in three years time.

It's great. It's a fun job. If you've ever wondered why there's not a lot of topical content on an animated show, I will say though, I kind of love that. After writing for the internet for years and like, you need to be like on top of everything and like, have a take, it's really actually kind of

refreshing to write stories that are like, you kind of just have to write like timeless human stories because it'll be a while before it comes out. So don't link it in time too much. I walked into the experience of having watched a lot of Dimension 20, seeing you on Dimension 20, seen a lot of these other people on dimension 20. And, uh, and like sitting down with people, the majority of whom are professional improv comics and comedy writers, very intimidating you guys. They did this thing that was really as it's not meant, there will, there will be regular dear Hank and John, but they did this thing that was a very good idea with the day before we started recording. We played a

little game together. Like, you know, we kind of developed some relationships and we played, you know, one session in the world that was not recorded. And it actually, I put it on my phone because I was, I'm such a fanboy. I was like, I want to save this. So I recorded it on my phone so I can listen to it. Just for me. And it was, that was the scariest moment, aside probably from the very first time I had,

it was my turn to go and develop my story a little bit, but then it went so well, everybody's so crazily supportive. And you and your character, you immediately embody this horrible man. He's not horrible, he's a good guy. But he's not an effective person. No.

But the character you created was just such a delight. So I'm so excited to have people actually watch it. It's on Dropout TV, which does cost money, I apologize. Yeah, sorry for putting it to save, but I'm sorry, sorry. Got so much good stuff to watch it. But yeah, I think you're right too, with that, I think that is why that there is that session zero,

where, because that is the scariest point where it's like, oh, I'm playing for an audience, but I'm also playing for the people at this table. And if you can get one session to clear out the anxiety about the people at the table and's like, oh, I'm playing for an audience, but I'm also playing for the people at this table. And if you can like get one session to like clear out the anxiety about the people at the table and be like, we're all friends here. Here's one less thing to worry about. Like we'll get comfortable and then we'll worry

about entertaining all the people out there. And I was like, aren't we gonna make this like a Patreon exclusive or something? And they were like, literally no. A point is that there's no audience. Yes, just accept it, which was hard for me. You can monetize this. You're telling me that I'm not supposed to talk right now that I'm not currently making

content. I don't know what that's like. Me walking through the forest and filming things, being like, I bet I should make a video about Likin. That's my life. Um, so you want to answer some questions from our listeners, drop? Let's answer some questions, yeah. Oh, I miss y'all so much.

It's, we've filmed for like five days and I'm like, my summer camp friends, that is what it feels like. It's like a series of like brief intense, and like you go through a big adventure together and then it just all kind of fades away. Yeah, and everybody, somebody cooks the food for you. like brief intense. And then like you go through a big adventure together and then it just all kind of fades away. Yeah, and everybody cooks the food for you. It's great. Just like somebody.

All right. This first question comes from Hannah who asks, dear, Hank, and trap, why is it called eastern and Pacific time? Why not eastern and western or Pacific in Atlantic? Ever been to Montana, Hannah. For clarity, and I've said this before in the podcast, Hannah Montana is not from Montana. Her last name is Montana.

She is from Texas. I don't know why her last name is Montana. I guess just because it sounds good. It's a constructed identity after all. Does feel like time zones are sort of named a little wiggly, especially when you cram mountain time in there, where it's like, hey, that's where the mountain is.

We're cramming it. Well, I do think, I don't know the answer to this. I'm gonna venture a guess here. I'm gonna venture a guess that it is that everything is coming from an Eastern centric point of view because that does even be how things go, where it's like, clearly this is eastern time. And then for them, everything after that is western.

So, like, well, we have to be more specific than western, because the rest of the country, that's all west. And they needed to define it more. That's kind of my guess, but. We don't. I don't know that there was an oral history of how this happened, but that is definitely part of it. That the West, what we consider to be West is so big that you can't have a Western time

because I am in Montana, which is definitely the West. Like it's, you know, really, you think of Montana as more Western than you'd think of California being, we're Oregon. But, and so it's like, can you really, can you say Western? But also importantly, there is an Atlantic time zone. Ooh, it is the one that is east of eastern.

So Puerto Rico is in it, the Virgin Islands are in it. And so the, that was taken, or I don't, I don't know, somebody had to name these things. So it was, so there is an Atlantic and a Pacific time. It's just that, if those are not referring to the, the parts of the US that are Atlantic and Pacific. Interesting. Though there's a lot of Pacific out there. There's also is in different time zones. Yeah. That's true. Because you could the other end of the Pacific.

Yeah, there's a there's so much Pacific that it seems it's a little bit nuts that America's like this is Pacific time. It's the part that contains a very narrow slice of the Pacific ocean. Yeah. What about the biggest of the oceans? What about like a lot of Asia and and what about parts of Russia and Hawaii and in Polish Nile and like that's all Pacific too. Yeah I mean the part that's put the Pacific time zone should be the one that has the least stuff in it and I have no idea what that the bad time zone is called but yeah I was a little bit surprised to find that there was an Atlantic time zone yeah even though

obviously lots of people isn't it. Yeah, it feels like that, like just thinking about how this sort of like Eastern centric view of like so much west, it's like I still sort of feel like sometimes when people are like the Midwest, it's like, you know, it's like, oh, it's like a lot of that's more East than it is West. Like you could call it the Midwest, but like, I don't know, like, it's all like, it's just pure historical reasons why it's like, yeah, yeah.

It's because the people on the East Coast as and as a person in Montana, I accept your lack of interest in what's going on. And that's fine, it's fine, it's fine, but also if just a tip, if you ever, if you ever say to me, oh Montana, I go there sometimes. And cause what I'm gonna hear is I go skiing

or fishing there, I'm like I go to white fish or I go to big sky, I was a ski resort. I know what you mean, I know what you mean. You don't go to Montana. You like fly in on your private jet and you do a thing and then you leave again. I remember when I grew up a military brat. So I moved around a lot and when I moved from California to Maine, I remember talking with a lot of people and they were like,

oh, what part of California just come from? And I was like, oh, you know, around San Francisco around the Bay Area. And the number of times people would say something like, I'd say, oh, that's cool, cool. You know, I just visited San Diego, like a summer. And like, I'd have to sort of like explain. It's like, the California geography,

you have to understand that would be like me being like, oh, I'm so glad to be here in Maine. I went to North Carolina, like a lot of summer. It's like, it's really, it's pretty in Maine. I went to North Carolina. It's really, it's pretty far apart. I get confused by San Diego for a while. I don't know. It particularly, I was like, I don't know, could be anywhere. Yeah. It could be really anywhere between LA and San Francisco. And I don't think it even is. No, no, it's it's South of LA. I figured that out now. I've gotten there. I actually am going to San Diego

shortly. We'll have already gone when this podcast comes out. And I was like, I can take the train from San Diego to Los Angeles. And I did. I booked the train ticket on Amtrak and they're like, here's your train tickets. It's going to be amazing. Like you could go three times. On this day, I picked my time. I'm going to be up there. And then they sent me an email and they were like, that train line doesn't exist anymore. And but we can get you on a train, I picked my time, I'm gonna be up there. And then they sent me an email and they were like, that train line doesn't exist anymore. And, but we can get you on a train, take you to a bus stop, you could take a bus to another train station and then take a train to Los Angeles.

And I was like, oh, I will drive. Like, that's fine. That's no thanks for that. I remember, I was so excited about my train trip and it's just canceled. It's also, it was like supposed to be like one of the most beautiful train trips you can take. So it just like goes along the beach

in Southern California. Just look at the waves. I still, I remember hearing about this. I wasn't clear whether it was a permanent closure or whether, because I think it was somehow related to like the like rains washing away some important part of the tracks or something. So it wasn't sure whether it was like,

oh, we have to rebuild some things or whether it was like, no, we're to rebuild some things or whether it was like, no, we're permanently closing this. But whether they were like, well, the train broke. So it's America and we're not gonna fix that. I mean, there was, there was a period a year or two ago where there was a portion of the Amtrak line in Big Sur that like, there's a big old mudslide and washed it away.

And it was the same thing. It's like, we'll take you halfway to San Francisco and you can get on a bus and go through the mountains and we'll unload you on the other side. They keep going like, this is none of this is efficient or logical at all. Yeah. We'll figure out trains right around the time when we like right before we invent transporters from Star Trek. Right. I don't need them anymore. I'm glad that we figured out the answer to your question by which I mean, we definitely did not. This next question comes from Leah,

who asks, dear Hank, and also trap. What would happen if I blended my smoothie for a whole year? I assume the smoothie would be blended so hard that it would just disintegrate into nothingness, but I feel free to prove me wrong. Have a blended day, Leah. Yeah. So we're day, Leah. Yeah. So we're talking about a single smoothie.

One's in a blender. And you turn it on and you just let it go for the whole year. One year. I, so I assume that there is a point at which you hit like terminal smoothness, like a sort of terminal velocity, because there's a point, which is like,

this is a smooth, this is smooth, this is smooth, this is gonna get. Nothing new to cut, yeah. Everything that can get cut got cut. Yeah, correct. Then I sort of started, but what I kind of started wondering with this was, what happens to, like, does the movement,

does the motion keep like bacteria from developing on this? That's certainly not, right? Yeah, I think we got a couple of problems. You're saying I shouldn't drink this smoothie at the end of this? Yeah, I mean, I actually, I do wonder because mold does, most, I think that mold actually, not all funguses, but mold specifically do require for the fungus to be able to build a structure with all of its stuff sort of tied together and sort of high fee like these like root structures, that would also be getting blended. So like,

they wouldn't be able to form a mold. bacteria don't care. They're like, oh, fun. Like it's a roller coaster and food. It's like, it'd be like a water slide made of smoothie for a bacteria. They just like have a great time. And it's kale and carrots and apple juice. Right. So I think that it would, you know, like there's like honey or something kind of antibacterial in there. Is that going to help at all? Well, there is a way to put enough something in there that, so this is what, this is correct. This is the correct course of action.

I like this. Okay. We'll put something in this smoothie that makes it so the bacteria don't grow, or we dose it with a bacteria that's like cool, like the, that'll like out the peach, like a, like a lactobacillus or something. Or like a, like a yeast, yeah, like something good that actually maybe makes it into booze. And then you've got a booz smoothie at the end of the year. And that's surprise. You thought you were going to get the smoothest smoothie of your whole life,

but actually you're drunk. And it's like it's like kind of a chill kombucha vibe. Sure. I think there's also a reality that your smoothie smoother is going to be adding energy to the system the whole time. I'm worried about the heat that your smoothie might get up to. Yeah, I was wondering too,

but I mean, we should talk about the heat for sure, but also just the pure mechanical problems of this engine running for. Like, I feel like I get nervous running my blender for like, like, like, like, like, 60 seconds. I'm like, this is too long. This is crazy, you know? It like, like, 60 seconds. I'm like, this is too long. This is crazy. You know, it's making a lot of noise. Yeah. I feel like I'm break actively breaking something

just by having this running. To have it running for a full year, it's like, I feel like that we'll talk about the heat first. No, I'm like, so I think that if we took a blender from the 60s, that thing would just keep going. That's basically- That's basically- That's exactly. So we have to get an old, an old one. Because nowadays, I think you're right,

I think they'll just shake themselves apart in 25 minutes. But those 60s blenders, they were made by people who were making airplane engines. Like the same man, not the same company, the same man made both the smoothie and the airplane engine. And it's just going to go on the same for wonderful day where he was like, he accidentally chucked up a man on the jet engine and was like, holy moly, this goop's delicious. We're really going to change things around here, Jeff. Yeah, I don't, like, I think the heat in the system, the main, like, I think that you might actually get some, well, also, you're going to, there's going to be oxygen in there. And it's just going to be oxidant, like, you know, like a banana in a room. It's not going to be a real

brown. It's even if there's no bacteria around it, it just, it will break down. And so I think that what you're going to end up with is a very smooth, and if you dosed it, if you got a good blender that's from the 60s, and you key, and maybe, maybe you have like a thing in there to keep the temperature good. You're gonna have a very, and some antibacterials. You're gonna have a very smooth smoothie. That's gonna taste not good. But how smooth is it? Does the smoothness make it worth it? It's just gonna be a textural experience.

It's like a level of smooth. It's like I am transcending to another plane of how smooth this is. This might be how life happened. You know, it's like you take a bunch of non-living chemicals, mix them around, add some heat. Maybe you invent life again. That would be, I mean, this is like a new

of like Frankenstein thing where it's like, hopefully. I just wanted to have a very smooth smoothie and somehow I've become God. I have a created life and I don't know what to do with my own creation. Yeah, okay. It has thoughts now in feelings and it doesn't want to die.

John but you sell it for eight bucks. But not as a smoothie, more as a friend. Yeah, it's a companion. And if I get 10 of these, the next one's free? Okay. You can't keep making these things, John, but juice. They have thoughts, they have feelings.

This is an ethical problem. They're normal men. Just innocent men. Okay, here's another one. It's from Andrew. Who says hello, blank and blank. So it's almost like they knew. Hello, Hank and trap. I'm a high school teacher and I get to over here some of the greatest sentences ever. Recently, I had two students walk into class arguing and one

of them said, you're hallucinating. Potatoes are infinitely more versatile than cheese. Oh, wow. To which a third student across the room yelled, I've been preaching this for years! What is objectively and or subjectively the most versatile food, slightly more versatile than Gouda Andrew? I have strong and definite opinions on this subject. I have thoughts on this too.

So my immediate thought was just an answer to the debate that was going on that was overheard, which is that I think cheese is easily more versatile than potatoes. I think cheese is easily more versatile than potatoes. I think potatoes are very versatile. I'm not taking over. Let's let chips fry. Be sure to search the good name of potatoes. Absolutely. One of the very best things that ever happened. But I do think that, you know, you look at, like cheese can go on almost anything. It can be a dessert. It can be, it can be a whole meal.

It's, I think there's no question even here. Like, I don't know how much we even need to get into this because it's like so clearly like knocking on the floor. Yeah. I feel like these children do not understand. They haven't experienced anything like the true versatility of cheese. I had a, once I was shopping, I was going to go shopping for my roommates in college. And someone had written cheese on the list. And I said, blank, this was this name.

Yeah, very, I don't think that was his name when he was born. But I said, blank, what kind of cheese do you want? And he said, regular. This is an opinion of a person who, that a potato is more versatile than cheese. That's an opinion of a person who thinks there's a regular cheese. Yeah, there's, by which he meant.

It's everything else is a spin-off. By which he meant craft American singles. Oh, okay, okay. That's regular cheese, which I get, okay, if there's a regular cheese out there, that's it. At least for an American college student, but oh my God, so much cheese, but trap. Yes, cheese.

She's a kind of another food. That was exactly my thought process, too. Look at us. Potato is a food in of itself, but cheese is a process food. So if you're going to say that cheese is more versatile, you then also have to say, well, milk is more versatile than cheese, because milk includes the subset cheese, but also everything else the milk does. And I also had the question.

Does it also include all the milks? Sure. Wait, so not just, we're not just saying cow milk, all the milks. So, milk as a general cat or anything a mammal creates. Walrus milk, platylic milk. Yeah, camel milk. Cobra bears. Uh-huh.

I also was wondering, and I'm curious what you think about this. Is salt a food? No, actually, I think that this just comes up on this podcast. Oh no. Okay. Because salt's in everything.

No, salt's in it. Yeah, and you don't turn salt into other stuff. You turn stuff into other stuff with salt. But salt is a rock. Salt is a mineral. That's like, if that were the case, water would be the most versatile food. I mean, I was going to have to ask very question. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, milk is made of water and stuff. So in that case, it cheeses made of water and stuff, meat is made of water and stuff. So in that case, it cheeses made of water and stuff, meat is made of water and stuff. But just go down to the atomic level. We're finally saying like, carbon, carbon, carbon. Definitely, it can be, it can be, it can be, each with the things, it can be salt, it can be carbs, it can be alcohol. The other one that I forgot. I also think there's potentially an argument to be made for.

I was just thinking, well, what do we grow a lot of? What do we eat a lot of? I was just thinking, and there might be an argument to be made for soy being an extremely versatile food. Soy and corn. Yeah. Because just in terms of pure industrial Yeah, because those, I mean, just in terms of pure industrial uses, those go into just about everything. And like, you can have a meal that is like miso glazed soy within some edamame on the side. And it's like, that's just like soy three ways. But you would kind of look at that and be like,

yeah, that's a meal. Yeah, where as you can't really have like butter on cheese with the glass of milk, like that. Nobody's having that dinner. Not without severe regrets at the end of the night. I can do it. I can pull this off. I, you can't, I don't know that you can make like a bread

out of cheese, but you can, well I can't really like a soy bread, but I bet you well I can't really, I can't. I can't. I mean, I bet you can. I bet somebody has made soy bread. Yeah. And they make soy milk. And you can like turn almost anything into a flour.

It feels like you'd dry it out and grind it out. So it's like at these days, yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be super effective all the time. But it's like, yeah, here's your soy flour. You can do something with that. It's a wild world that we live in now, where we've decided to flower everything.

Yeah, everything it's fun. It's also milk everything. Yeah. It's shot. It's like, what milks are next? I mean, I'm totally in favor of getting animals out of the process. It seems like a lot to ask of another organism to be like, hey, I know that that's for your baby,

but I'm a 42 year old man, and I wanna put it on a cracker. So get on into this machine. So I'm totally in favor of figuring out other solutions to this problem, but I do wonder what we're gonna milk next. Because I didn't see cashews coming. Yeah, it feels like we've hit a lot of nuts. Well, plenty more nuts left. There hit a lot of nuts. Well, plenty more nuts left.

There's a lot of nuts left. There's a lot of... I want to say just because also, like, cauliflower has been big in the, like, I'm pretending to be something else game. I mean, cauliflower, that sounds disgusting. Sounds like maybe someone's going to try it. Yeah. Here's gonna try it. Yeah. Here's how I feel.

I think that we've been at cheese and milk products for longer, like we've got ice cream and we've got just the regular milk and we've got all the different cheeses and we've got curds and whey and I don't know what else we do. There seems like we're doing a lot. But I think that we've been working

at some of these other problems for less time, where we can actually like turn, like I think, in my opinion, fungus is the future. I think that we're going to figure out how to make anything out of fungus. Well, I just will have mushroom milk and mushroom cheese and mushroom meat and mushroom everything. There's been a lot of dairy substitutes in my house lately because my daughter has, my young infant daughter has an insensitivity to cow milk protein, which means that my wife cannot consume any dairy or eat any beef.

Otherwise my daughter will have health problems when that protein passes through the breast milk. So we've been just trying, like, what's this? Is this any good? Is this and my wife was particularly fond of a fungus based cream cheese substitute. She's like, this is actually pretty close. It's like, it's so interesting. Oh, it's interesting. Is it interesting? Yes. I love that. It's so good. It's like, yeah. We did sponsors for them on such show. We did a whole thing.

I've been flexily to sponsor for it. And And like they sent us some of their chicken nuggets. Yeah, I mean, their cream cheese is better than cream cheese. It's so good. And it's like based on the fungus grows in the hydrothermal events at Yellowstone National Barque or something. I love that. I like. Yeah.

If we can harness fungus to make me any food I want, like what a dream. What a horrifying dream. A beautiful, a wonderful, a horrifying dream. Yeah. Like people sometimes wrinkle their nose,

like meet, grow in that, and grow in that, and things like that. And I'm kinda like, no, let's do that. That sounds incredible. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm trying to figure out what time zones are in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but they don't have names on this map.

Oh, there's gotta be somebody who's maybe to the time zones not all have names, sure they do, they must. I mean, I guess it's, well, who named them is now I'm wondering, now I'm like going back and thinking about this because like, because it's, you're covering full vertical swaths of, you know, of the world. You're cutting across many countries. Every time you're like, this is the time zone. Do they have the same name in other countries? Or did everyone agree like, yeah, yeah, like this is, this is what this time zone is.

Right, right. Or is it like, it's got to be like, like, any other place name where the people in the place call it something and then everybody else Causes there like whatever they felt like that day Like Florence is most of the feeling day and zone in like Western South America right because The cuz that aligns like that right. I'm not looking at a map. So maybe I'm so yeah Yeah, yeah, the Eastern time zone is Western South America So do they call it the Eastern time zone in South America?

That's a great point. What do they call it? If you're from Peru, please let me know what you call your time zone. If you call it Eastern time, that must be so annoying. You must be so mad. That's some, that's some,

deep annoying colonial stuff there. Yeah. I'm like, we decided Eastern United States, everything here is to the east. Yep. You forget how far the east South America is. Yeah. It is all over there. Isn't China all in one time zone two?

Like they did put all of China in one time zone China was like, here's what we're going to do. I know it sounds wild, but we're gonna go over a border and sometimes it's gonna change by eight hours. Okay. Trivia, trivia boys here. Trivia boys. Speaking of which,

what do you call a potato wearing glasses while it's watching a football game? Hmm, what do you call a potato wearing glasses? Well, it's a spectator. Aw. got to like that. Thanks. You're welcome. Thank you. Okay. Let's do another question. Here it's from Mark, who asks to your hand can trap. I was surfing Google Maps. Wait last night. Go to sleep, Mark. And I came across the town in rural Georgia with nearly completely circular, a nearly completely circular boundary. It's called Homer, Georgia, zooming out and scrolling around. I began to notice that in fact, there were

dozens of towns in Georgia and South Carolina with circular borders. Most have slight deviations from the circle to include this or that neighborhood or a plot of land, but many retain a puzzling circularity. In my experience, this is not how we create municipal borders in Ontario, Canada. What gives? What are these towns centered on as a former residence of the US southeast? Do you guys have any idea? I don't know. Did you ever live in the southeast?

I did not ever live in the southeast, actually. All the places. But I bet you can guess distinct boundaries and dogwood trees mark. Do you have a guess? I have a guess. If you have a circular border, you have to be not close to other things for those circles to run into them to other towns. That's correct.

So I would guess that they're probably centered on either a church or like Crossroads. That is like these are the two roads that go to where our town, you know, the town founding was here. And that will probably be like a church or a Crossroads or some kind of point of commerce and be like a way higher around this point. Yeah, where two rivers come together, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and they just said everything within a certain distance from this point

and mathematically defined the town. Yeah. Which I kind of love. Indianapolis is actually like this, except instead of it being a circle, it's a square. And now it's like added like little bits onto the sides, just like, you know, they incorporate new area. But if you look up in the enapolis,

I do this because my brother was there. And I'm like, this is not what I would have imagined things to look like. But yeah, it's just a perfect, little square, it's beautiful. There's a nice simplicity to having like a perfect square, it's beautiful. There's a nice simplicity to having a perfect square or a perfect circle as like your borders. And certainly if you're trying to be like,

hear the borders of our town, it seems very simple on paper to be like 12 miles out from this point or whatever it is. And just sort of like rather than being like, the northern point is this, the southern is this. But it does feel like you're gonna run into like, rivers, mountains, other municipalities, things that are like traditionally borders of towns

and that like, probably you have to make adjustments for that. Very, I've just, I've just zoomed in on the very precise center of Homer, Georgia. Because I was like, well, is it the crossroads? And there is indeed a crossroads. You are correct. It's very clear crossroads. And the, as far as I can tell, the exact center of

Homer, Georgia is about 300 feet north of the crossroads. So why the Google Maps is just mess with me? Or the people who created Homer, Georgia, were a little confused that day. Like, it's not like they had perfect surveying equipment. So they like decided and drew the line. then they were like, I guess we're stuck with what we got. I'm guessing that most of these towns, these circular towns, I'm going to guess that a lot

of them are maybe on the smaller side. I don't know if it's newer has 1300 people. Okay. I'm willing to bet that almost all of these towns has like a field trip for third graders to go visit the center of town. And it's like, oh, yes. Or it's like, there's probably some plaque there and all of these or something just sort of being like, this is it? Pretty cool, huh? I want to see if all of them are like this. Carn'sville is kind of like that. Oh, he's right.

They're all like this. It just became the way to do it. Let's see where the center of Carn'sville is. Oh, no, it doesn't like that at all. Never mind. It's not going to let me go. You're getting too close to the truth, Hank. You have to go back.

This is, Google Maps just stops you. You're like, you're, you're digging too deep. Stop looking at the center of Carn'sville. I really love the idea that if you stops you. You're like, you're, you're digging too deep. Stop looking at the center of consville. I really love the idea that if you figure out that there's like some hidden code, that if you figure out the, like, how far from the center of each town or something, the circle, the center of the circle actually is. This is all like one of like some like Dan Brown treasure thing.

Yeah, you find the declaration of independence at the end of it or something. The deck. Yeah. Yeah. That it seems like the the the bones of George Washington will be like the fourth installment of national treasure or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's like there's a code hidden in small towns and rural Georgia. Oh, yeah. God. Yeah. You just have to like, yeah, you got to you got to get a whole new outfit. See you fit in. You get to pick up truck with a gun rack on it and go around and be like, look, I'm just a guy who likes history.

Yeah. It's no big deal. And then at the end of it, you're like, golden teeth. I found George Washington's golden teeth. I'm a millionaire. They're seeing it can bite through anything. It's the only thing that can stop something bad. If you put them in your mouth, you become George Washington 10 feet tall. We've all heard the legend, right? We've heard

that legend. You put in George Washington's teeth. You become George Washington. Which reminds me that this podcast is brought to you by Weirdly enough, George Washington's teeth. George Washington's teeth, the good ones though. This podcast is also brought to you by Weirdly enough George Washington's teeth. George Washington's teeth, the good ones though. Uh, this podcast is also brought to you by the smooth, the smoothie at Jamba Jews. It's so smooth. It's sentient. This by guest additionally is brought to you by the Eastern time zone in Western South America. That's some BS. This time, so it also brought to you by a lamp

growing out of fungus. You can grow anything out of fungus if you try hard enough. Why not a lamp? That's where the future is going. This next question comes from Daphne, who asks, dear Hank and Trap, I recently saw this artistic post with a caption,

get under the shower, you dirty f***. And I was really caught off guard by the use of under rather than in. Should it be under? I understand that we get in the bath because we're literally in the water, but we aren't in the water in a shower. We're under it.

When we talk about showers, do we mean the glass box that we stand in or the stream of water coming out of the shower head? Starting to think John might be right about baths, definitely. First of all, John's, I mean, I guess it's fine. You can bathe whatever way you like. Sorry. Are you a bather? I am not. And the place I live now has no bath. It just has a shower. So even if I was a bather, I would have no choice.

I wouldn't be listening to it. Yeah. Yeah. I like this question because like this question because my initial response to hearing, like, get under the shower is like, that's so wrong. Don't say that. That's not the right preposition for that. But then it is like, well, I can't, I do think that like a shower by definition has to be above you, right? Like, you can't have a shower coming from any other direction. But I think I can get in a shower and not get wet.

Okay. So you're saying the shower is defl... Because I don't, because I think that you're getting in the shower. Okay. It's the room. It's the small little room that is created for the water to be inside. But you can have showers of things that are not the shower, right? Because you can have rain showers or showers of light.

And like that can still apply to. This is true. And those are all outside. Yes. And it's raining. Like it's a shower. It's a shower. And that would... That's...

I'm now having a really hard time with the calling of a rainstorm a shower, which is a thing that we do. But now I don't like it anymore. I'm protesting and I don't want to... I don't want to sit in one particularly dirty man who's like, oh, there's a shower outside. That's not what that is. That's a rain. We know what rain is. who's like, oh, there's a shower outside. It's like, that's not what that is. That's a rain.

We know what rain is. Like, no, no, no, it's a shower. It's like, I totally got it. I don't have an umbrella. I don't need to do that. What do they say like light showers? I hate this now. Why do I not like this suddenly?

Now it feels like it's designed to clean you. Yeah, but I do think, but also like, if you, if you, if you had a shower stall and there was a shower nozzle that was coming from any direction but above you. If you, if you would, if you got a hotel and you went to that room and you went to the sides. And then like, here the bathroom, and you know, and you're like, here's the shower. And it just like blasts from the sides.

I feel like I would be like, that's not a shower, that's something else. By far, the best option here is if it comes right up from the bottom. Right. Like it's just the giantist bidet. It's like all time. And it's just like, we know where the problem is.

It's like, this is where most of the film. It's like it's like those things bartenders use to clean glasses, you know? Yeah, it's just like put the glass on top of this blasts water up. You just in a container compartment of one of those. It doesn't turn on until your feet hit it. Yeah, it's like it comes so strong and so are you really wanted to stuff? I hate the shower. I feel, well, is it a shower?

Well, I think it's a shower if it's in the shower. Also, you don't get, you don't just get in a shower. If I'm telling you that I'm about to be showered, and I'm going to clean myself, I don't say I'm going to get in the shower. Do I? I say I'm going to clean myself. I don't say I'm going to get in the shower. Do I? I say I'm going to take a shower. Sure.

It makes me think that just a great deal of empathy for people who have to learn how to speak English. What? You're not taking it anywhere. Where are you taking it? Well, not yours. You're not, you're not, you're not like what? What is the shower that is being taken? Is it, is it, is it the concept? Is it the action? Well, the loop things back around to, taking to rain too, like I didn't think about this

until I took Russian in college, I retained almost none of it, but one of the things I did retain was like, really taking in how strange the construction its raining is, because it's like, well, how strange the construction its raining is. It's like, well, what is raining? It's like, it is raining. And it's like, what is it refer to?

It's like, just the general state of being like the outside is raining right now. But that's not right either. It's just like, it is raining. And that construction doesn't exist in Russian. In Russian, it's that, just if you want to say it's raining, you say the rain goes or something similar to that as the rain is going right now. It's like, well, that feels awkward to me.

Yeah, that makes a little bit more sense. It makes more sense than it. Yeah. Is it God? Like, what is it? It is raining. Like, oh no. I like this less than there are showers.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going to take one. And then I guess I'll have it, but I won't have it anymore. I will have added. Right. I took a shower. I took a shower. Then it stopped existing. To go back for a second now, you said something about getting into the shower, that defines the shower or something like, well, I can get into the shower and not get wet. I cannot take a shower and stay dry,

but I can get into the shower and not be wet. I can be in there just like, I don't know, looking at watching a movie. I see. So you're saying that is a more precise way, because if you say get under the shower, that means you are under the water. If you say get into the shower, you can be within the stall of the shower, but not under the shower of water.

Yeah, but I also think that in this particular construction, whereas whatever the joke was that you got to take a, take a shower, you dirty, you can't. And that situation, you got to say, get under the shower or get, or yeah, where the joke was that you got to take a shower, you dirty, you can't, and that's a situation, you got to say, get under the shower. Or get, like, it's abstracting from the normal speech so that we can enjoy the phrase more. Because if you just said, take a shower, you dirty, that's not fun.

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Give me something that pulls me out of the sort of, you know, tropes of English speech. And I'll be like, well, that actually is more like what I'm doing. I'm more getting under the shower than I am taking one. Or over the shower, if you decide to install one of our crazy bartender glasses. There's a wall. Okay. Well, I think I learned way more about both the English language and water being sprayed on people than I expected to today. This next question comes from Sabrina who asks, dear, Hank and Trap, why is surprise such a large source of joy? Like people go out of their way to buy a surprise, surprise toys, mystery boxes and bags,

and there are even places on Etsy where they will send you a surprise outfit. Now, I have to admit, I am also a victim to the marketing scheme of a surprise. For some reason, the joy of opening a box with a mystery in it is so much more satisfying than picking something out for myself. Why are we so much more willing to spend money on a mystery rather than a sure thing, a teenager, but not a witch?

Sabrina. That's a great question. I hadn't really thought about that despite the fact that I run a surprise sock company. Never question why people would want to purchase your product. Yeah, well, I don't know. I have always kind of thought that that that that's a bit of a drawback that you don't get to know what this socks are going to look like

before they arrive. But now I'm thinking, yeah, it's a little surprise that I get to have. I like it. I'm fully with Sabrina here. But this is coming from someone who I'm a very indecisive person. And I feel like, and it only gets harder for things that don't really matter.

Like if it's a choice that really matters, it's like you can do a pretty good weighing of like pros and cons and stuff like that. But if it's something like, like here's 80 different patterns of sock you can have. And it's like, I don't, I have to make a choice if I'm going to buy a pair of socks. But I don't, I don't, I have to make a choice if I'm going to buy a pair of socks, but I don't, I don't want to, doesn't really matter, but I still have to make a choice. And like,

that can be kind of paralyzing. So having someone else just be like, I'm going to take care of this for you. I think it's very comforting. And then you get, but I don't also don't think, so that's comforting, but there is, I think, a second, there's like a separate joy that comes from, like, actually, like, the discovery, right? Of, like, actually opening it and seeing, like, what is this thing? What did I get? And that's, I think, a separate thing

from just, like, avoiding a decision. Yeah, yeah, well, I think there's a piece of that's, like, can someone curate this for me? Like, I need a person who's better at socks than me. And I'd like you to choose that. I actually have, I have, there's a, there's a local business in town that will give you a a thrifted item every, not give, but you buy it like you pay a monthly thing and they'll just like give you one of the, one of the things that they thought was really cool. And I love it. I like,

I love it. I wore one of them on our series. And everybody complimented me on that shirt. So when the fuzzy red one with the collar, that when that one's there, every single person I walked by on that day was like, oh my, well, I love that one. And so I was like, what's wrong with all my other clothes? No one has said anything for the other five out there.

Oh, we deeply hate those. Just you know, we really, really hate those. So I do love the curation aspect of the person I trust making a decision for me. But I also think that there is something to like, I don't know what it's going to be. And then I find out what it is. I love that. I think it's a value that is delivered. And I like a blind bag from the Disney store with a Mickey that's painted like Boba Fett maybe. I'm into that. I don't know why.

It's the experience. Yeah, I think there is. Neurotransmitters. What I'm running into is the sort of like, I'm like running into like that endless chain of why, right? Or it's because I do think there is something inherently joyful about discovery. Like the chance to experience something new, for the chance for novelty, the chance to,

like that is I think inherently joyful. And going like getting a box and being like, I don't know what's inside this, but for that moment, it has the potentiality to be something that could be incredible, something you've never seen before that would really make you happy. There's like maximum potential in there. And there's almost like, anxiousness as well.

Like there's worry in that moment. That's the worry is part of the excitement. Like I don't know what it's gonna be. And I'm worried that I'm like sometimes it may be, I don't know, maybe I'm not gonna like it. Yeah. And I think that it is something that is like, that is just like deep within us.

Like I think about surprise a lot because I write comedy scripts. And like so much of comedy is about surprising people, but in a way that like also makes sense and is logical. And so it's like, okay, well, how do you like blend those two together and like how do you set up expectations in just the right way so that you can come in from the other side and surprise someone?

And it's been so much time like trying to like arrange the conditions for maximum surprise, but not a lot of time asking like, but why do we like to be surprised? Is that why is the surprise in and of itself like something that is a joy? And I don't know, but it does feel like something like deep and biological.

It's, yeah, I bet it is a trade evolved trait that can confer advantage to our ancestors, you know? Sure. Where it's like, and I think that humor is one of, it's hard to see it in other species. Like I'm not gonna say that it's definitely not there, but it's very there for people. It's a really big deal and it's so weird.

I bet if and when we meet some other intelligent species a thousand years in the future, they won't have humor like we do. They won't have laughter like we do. I don't like it. It seems weird enough that it's probably something that wouldn't happen every time an intelligent living system evolved. And like that makes it really special, I feel like. Whereas music is all around, like lots of different

organisms make music, which I think is another really lovely thing that people do. But jokes feel pretty just human. Yeah. We're so goofy. Maybe, and maybe a little, like, I like, something you said made me think about. Maybe it was in sapiens. I don't know if you read that book.

But there's something I read that was talking about, like, how much human evolution has been sort of like supportive of risk takers or like, or from, at a sort of broad point of view of like like humans have been rewarded for taking kind of insane risks, whether that is like canoeing across the Pacific or spreading across like continents and being like just like a little bit crazy, like just crazy enough to like do take these like these big risky moves that that a of times fail, but sometimes pay off and then they pay off bit. And I wonder if this is all tied together of the sort of like you're being rewarded

for taking risks, you're being rewarded for unknown. And for like looking at the unknown and going like, oh, that's cool, right? And if you're getting like this dopamine rush from like, wow, the unknown. That's cool. And then to tie it back to you're like, we do aliens have humor.

Like, does that mean that like, we just look totally insane. Like we're just laughing and giggling and taking insane risks. And it's like a little bit crazy. Like we're like the crazy old prospector that you come into that is, he was just like giggling and laughing.

And it's like, man, that species is just off its rock. Well, I mean, please let me know if you know about this out there listening because so there's a lot of, there are traits, it's a evolution does this, where you have a visible trait that's represented of something, representative of something else, but it's actually a good representation. Like, antlers growing out of the head of an elk

are gonna be bigger if that elk is better at finding resources and fighting off people competing for those, elk competing for those resources. So it's an actual sign of that elk's ability to thrive is how big the antlers are. It's older, it's been able to eat a lot of food, it's big, it's strong.

And so it's not like, it's not like something you can fake. You can't grow big antlers if you didn't actually succeed. And so maybe there, this is like humor and like the feeling of joy at surprise might be, or like not necessarily being able to make a joke, but being able to enjoy one might be like antlers, but for like risk taking, like safe risk taking and like social success, where if you're good at like enjoying and laughing at a joke, it's a surrogate signal that you are also good at being curious and taking a risk intelligently. Interesting. And so that's like humor evolved as a way

to signal our ability to do those things. Seems like something that a researcher might have looked into and if you know about that, please send me the paper because I would love to see that. I could also see, when I were just talking about humor instead of surprise, they're kind of tied. They're being something to this developing as just a way of dealing with the cosmic horror of consciousness. Maybe every consciousness organism is really goofy because you can't do it otherwise. It's like you have to just dry, it's like it's that, you have to be a little goofy

or you have to go totally insane. You have to like, look at the world around you and be like, this is so crazy. None of this makes any sense. It's to be conscious right now on this earth is so much, so unlikely and so stupid that I have to laugh at it. Otherwise, I will just crumple into a ball at the like, enormousness. I need someone to do a big fart right now or else. It's not going to

work. Like, we can't be humans without like nice big fart sounds that we can have a good time with. I like that. Farts are loud. I think I talked about this on Twitter a while back where I was I said, the fact that farts are allowed kind of indicates that loud farts didn't Hinder our ancestors ability to procreate and I love that for them Yeah, it's interesting like something Do Oh, let me pause at this question to you. Okay, and then I'll back up and explain where this is coming from.

Do you think humans have the loudest farts? And now I'm gonna back up and say, because humans, I know, have a pretty large butt ratio, butt to the rest of your body ratio, because we are bipedal, and we need those strong gluteal muscles to move us around. Yeah, they do different kind of...

And a lot of the sound is gonna come from air moving between those big old cheeks. It actually maybe doesn't. Okay, so I actually, I've looked into how fart noise happens and it mostly does not, so like the cheeks matter. Oh, of course the cheeks matter. The actual sound though. Tank, of course.

It's not the cheeks hitting each other. The sound is actually the anus itself flapping. So it's the anus smacking together as pressure builds behind. And then the pressure is released. And then when the pressure releases, the anus slaps together again, the pressure builds, the anus opens, it slaps together after it releases, the pressure builds again over and over and over again. It's just like you can do it with a balloon. It's the same mechanistically, the same thing is happening, but it's, it's, it, but most

of the sound is from the anus and nothing. Yeah, the cheeks can control what the anus is doing. So like, if you like lift the cheek, you can fart more quietly because the cheek isn't causing the anus to, like, it's not putting that pressure to slap it back together, but the noise is actually, and also, I think that it matters, like, the loudness of the fart matters, that the rectum is full of gas, and so, like, is kind of a sound, like, resonant chamber.

I can tell you're a professional radio man, because as soon as you, when you start describing the cheeks cavity that you clapped to, so the audience could be fully transported to to the visual of two cheeks apart so they're not the cheeks. It's the same stuff. It's informing people. Um, actually, Sabrina, this answer your question about why you like your mystery dress.

That's the Sabrina, this is answer your question about why you like your mystery dress. But seriously, another thing I really desperately want to know is what species has the loudest fart. And if it is humans, I think that without a doubt, that means that farts, we evolved intentionally loud farts. Like, install like it didn't hinder us. It helped us. I really think there's a good chance that it could be humans.

Because I think we do have loud farts. Loud farts, and I think there's probably like so many, I tried to imagine somebody like predator prey relationships where it's like, hey, it is really evolutionary, disadvantageous for you to have a loud fart right now. Like that Jaguar is gonna eat you or pray relationships where it's like, hey, it is really evolutionary, disavidated, just for you to have a loud fart right now. Like that Jaguar is going to eat you if you let out that, if you let one rip right now, which is like true for humans too, like with things

prey on humans. But I wonder if sort of like, I don't know, being sort of top of the food chain for a while or whatever, sort's sort of a loud, loud farts to exist. So then you would think that the things with the loudest farts are gonna be either the top of the food chain or the really big animals that don't have to worry so much. Yes. I was just reading that hippos, because I was like, maybe hippos have loud farts.

They don't though. They have quiet farts. They have long farts and they have disgusting farts, but they don't, they're silent, but deadly. But they're not, they're not loud. So, like, great white sharks can't possibly have a loud fart. They're sharks. They fart at all. I don't know. I don't love to know the answer to that question. Well, that seems like something I should know. Elephants, you didn't catch that seed in jaws. It's like, you've got a great weight. The loudest farders on the planet.

I do like the idea that they're on the SS Indianapolis. There's like a mouse hiding from a fox and it's just like, be very quiet and it's little hearts to do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, and it's sitting there next to it's like, you know, what, like mouse wife and she's like, quiet, and require it. And then, and then he's like, oh no, Susan, Susan,

and she's like, what's wrong, Henry? And he's like, and he's like, and he's like, and then, and then the fox is like, that's the, but we don't have to worry. We're, we're humans. We can fart in front of a great white shark. And actually, probably that would be a bad idea

We are on a on a on a species level the rude yeah, the like rude husband from a 90s sitcom He's like we're just letting go. What are you gonna do? He does you can't Good luck with your time zone south America I time zone South America. I have so many questions and I feel like we're about to get to a really deep and true truth about humans. So we need to stop the podcast because if we get to it through parts, then we're going to then like, I don't know what anybody's going to take a seriously and also might it might be a problem for the eventual white paper that we publish in nature. So, look forward to doing that. Everybody go check out Muntopoulos on Dropout TV. It was one of the best things I have ever done in my life creatively. It was so good.

So, yeah, I've extraordinarily privileged to have been able to be a part of that cast. So, thanks for doing it with me, me trapping. Thanks for coming on. Oh, I felt privileged to be able to play play with you Of course, it was it was a great time and there's also lots of other really amazing stuff on on dropout.tv if you haven't I heard of that or seen it. What's happening? Come on game changer. Come on. It's that it should get Emmys It's it's the best it's like I hope I hope it gets a Tony for Christic I don't know how but I feel like they do this So I'm put a some input of an iPhone on stage and they just let it play on a play for Through a couple a couple seasons of game changer and this I don't think I don't know. That's how it works

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