Decoding the Gurus - Supplementary Materials 11: Alex Jones is at it again

Episode Date: July 27, 2024

We are a little behind the news cycle with this release, so we apologise for that. For context this episode was recorded after Trump's assassination attempt but before Biden announced he was stepping down. We will return with the Gurusphere's insane reaction to that event next time. Here we consider:Trump's leaked conversation with RFK JuniorA very special request from MattTammy Peterson's admiration for Tommy RobinsonAlex Jones releasing NEW Sandy Hook conspiracy theories on InfoWarsJonathan Pageau's new spin on Intelligent DesignThe Fifth Column and selective application of criticismBari Weiss' Free Press visits the RNCMoynihan's non-partisan interview with Anna KhachiyanOur now (totally out-of-date) political opinions on BidenThe full episode is available for Patreon subscribers (1hr 17 mins).Join us at: https://www.patreon.com/DecodingTheGurusLinks Knowledge Fight on Alex's Deposition and the episode where he outlines his new Sandy Hook conspiracyLegal Eagle video on the Alex Jones trialCONFIRMED: Deep State Sandy Hook Operation Gave Order To Shut Down InfowarsThe Free Press LIVE from the RNC: Biden’s Interview, Trump, J.D. Vance, and More!Honestly with Bari WeissRon DeSantis Truth in Media eventJordan Peterson: Why the Establishment Hates This Man | Tommy Robinson | EP 462Pageau's new spin on Intelligent DesignVideo of Trump and RFK Jr.'s leaked call

Hello and welcome to Decoding the Guru's supplementary material, where an anthropologist and a psychologist look around the discorsosphere, take a gander at what the various guru figures have been up to, and throw their hands into their face in despair at the world, the universe, and the nature of existence. I am Chris Gabbana. He is Matthew Brown. We live in different countries. He's in Australia. I'm in Japan. I'm not Japanese. I'm Northern Irish. You know the drill. Welcome, Matt. Thank you. Thank you. It's good to be here again. Hey, I've got a surprise announcement you don't know about. You're retiring from your job and just focusing on DTG full time. I knew it, Matt. Sadly, no. Sadly, no. No, I'm going to use this platform that you and I have

to advertise for somebody to do something. I i know the supplement companies they've got them it's all about a bit green juice there what are you gonna show mike come on well i know the kind the caliber of audience that we have you know we have professionals intellectuals authors right critical thinkers creatives creatives that's right not many not many creatives to be honest but definitely we have a fair swag of academics i know that and i'm in a situation where i'm i've supervised a phd student who has has finished has done a good job has published some journal articles and uh because he his topic was kind of outside my field, I don't have many contacts for the difficult process

of finding somebody to be a reviewer, external reviewer of the thesis. No, actually, I have one person. Of his PhD thesis. Of his PhD thesis. I have one person who just very kindly said, yes, definitely is qualified. So I'm putting it out there.

If there is somebody listening who is an academic, working at a university, and has a background in psychology, cognitive science, and the topic is kind of about core knowledge confusions, which is a bit of a specialized thing, but it's basically ontological confusions. It's about the connections between language and reasoning and thinking, and there's some psychometrics and stats in there too.

Is that in the vein of developmental psychology or is core knowledge more broadly applicable, would you say? It's connected to developmental psychology. You're right, of course, the concept of the core knowledge that people develop, but it's not developmental. So you could be a developmental psychologist, but you don't need to be. You could be, that's right.

It's such a niche topic that we're not looking for a specialist who specializes in this specific thing, but rather people that are into this. If you understand about, you know, Kahneman's intuitive thinking styles, that kind of thing, Benny Cook's work, for instance,

it's highly related to it. He was too busy, unfortunately, the bastard. Anyway, that's my advertisement. So please reach out. If you're an academic, you know, is highly related to it. He was too busy, unfortunately, the bastard. Anyway, that's my advertisement. So please reach out. If you're an academic, you know that this is a pro bono thing where you don't get anything at all. Your reward will be in heaven, and I will thank you. Yeah, so just send me an email.

That's a good use, Matt. And see, this, I think, speaks to why so many of the guru types or various other influencers who orbit around and sometimes get worked up about us, they don't understand the motivations. They're trying to fit us into their little jigsaw puzzle understanding of we want to climb the Huberman-Rogen sphere and we're just doing it in a, you know, Sigma Wolf way. What they don't factor in is that Matt's primary use for the podcast is to recruit a specialist academic

in order to serve as an external examiner for a PhD thesis. That is us making use of our platform. So yeah, you guys didn't see that coming. Take that under your belt. Exactly, exactly. i don't want admirers i don't want groupies i just want someone to examine my phd student's thesis and i'm i don't want to climb any guru ladder either i'm already the top of my greasy pole thank you very much it's not a very big pole it's kind of it's only about four feet

from the ground the the academic greasy pole it's not a very good pole but i'm at the top of it and here i intend to stay yeah that that metaphor i won't even touch it but i won't say nothing about you're not going to touch the greasy pole okay just gonna leave it there am i in that analogy i'm like trying to climb up with desperately i'm not i haven't got a good firm grip yet but but let's let's leave that metaphor languishing there so yes any academics people with specialist expertise who find out an interesting topic want to have interactions with matt try to schedule shit with him good luck yeah contact us chris you you are the one you are the one that doesn't know how to use a calendar in order to send me to get like basic office skills you lack

dear sir i say good day to you good day sir all right let's let's not air our dirty laundry on air no no no we will we will not so as is often the case i'm not supposed to have that many clips for these but i do i've got quite a lot so i should probably get started and the the topics veer around so the first one is quite topical my and i i'm not sure if you're aware of this but did you happen to come across trump's uh intercepted telephone conversation with bobby kennedy rfk jr oh no i heard i heard talk of that i'm not aware of the details so this is in the week of that assassination attempt trump was trying to encourage rfk j to endorse him. And this is how he attempted to do that. Really, you know, something's wrong with that whole system.

You know, and it's a doctor's issue. Remember I said I want to do small doses, small doses. When you feed a baby, Robbie, a vaccination that is like 38 different vaccines, and it looks like it's meant for a horse, not a 10-pound or 20-pound baby. It looks like you should be giving a horse this. And do you ever see the size of it, right? It's just massive. And then you see the baby all of a sudden starting to change radically. I've seen it too many times.

And then you hear that it doesn't have an impact, right? But you and I talked about that a long time ago. And anyway, I would love you to do something. And I think it would be so good for you and so big for you. And we're going to win. We're going to win. We're going to win way ahead of the guy. And, you know, he's interesting. He was going to win way ahead of the guy.

And, you know, he said, it was very nice, actually. He called me and he said, how did you choose to move to the right? So I guess people said, you know, if I was looking straight up, he said, I said, I was just showing a chart. I didn't have to tell him the chart was on all the people pouring into our country. But I just turned my head to show the chart. And something wrapped me. It felt like a giant, like the world's largest mosquito. And it was.

It was a bullet going around. You know, what do they call that? An AR-15 or something. It was a big gun. It was a pretty tough gun, right? Uh-huh. Okay, yeah, I caught most of that. It's bad quality because it's a video recording of a telephone call that was released and then RFK Jr. apologized.

So it's kind of a leaked conversation. Okay, so I didn't hear it perfectly well, It's kind of a leaked conversation. Okay. So like I didn't hear it perfectly well, but what I caught was Donald Trump sort of empathizing with RFK about vaccines, which is a smart move. He knows what RFK is mostly concerned about. He's seen babies get these massive horse-sized vaccines

and seen them change. Bridge injections, giant. Yeah, yeah. He's seen it. He's seen it. He's seen it he's seen it he's seen it too many times too many times so that's that's really donald just making it all up as he goes along obviously um and he's described i heard him describing biden's call to him sort of yeah i actually didn't note that part but so he said biden called him and was being nice and you know we're gonna beat him

but then he was saying you know he was asking me about turning my head and blah blah blah so yeah it's a slightly unusually friendly version of trump in regards to interacting with biden what was that little comment he made about it's like about turning his head and all the people flooding into our country there was there was a reference oh because he turned his head he says that the reason he survived the assassination attempt was that he turned his head to look at immigration statistics on the screen behind him and that last second thing the bullet missed him so that that was the reference okay okay fair enough yeah so all all i wanted to highlight with this was the obvious pandering to the anti-vaccine

nature of rfk jr just like you know these vaccines yeah they're terrible we're big as a bull they're getting injected at the babies This isn't right. It's utterly transparent in a way how Trump operates. But on the other hand, that is exactly how you would appeal to the RFK Jr. Like it's kind of depressing that politics is like this, right? It's not Game of Thrones or even the House the house of cards it seems to be more like fucking peewee's playhouse yeah that's right it's not it's not five-dimensional chess is it it's uh oh this guy's a you know anti-establishment person that would capture some swing voters or something uh i want him on my side what does he want to to hear? I'll tell him that. Probably worked. Probably RFK is down with it.

Yeah. Trump is by nature a conspiratorial person, but I just like the obvious pandering to the anti-vaccine nature of RFK Jr. You know, there's been various color goings on, Matt. One thing that I might mention is, have you ever heard of a family called the Petersons? There's Michaela, Jordan, and there are other members that are lesser known.

That sounds like a sitcom from the 60s, I think. Yeah, there's a Canadian professor. You might have heard him. He had some ideas about competence hierarchies and maps of meaning. Anyway, he's a lesser known figure, but he recently recorded an interview with Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson, far right figure in the UK with a long history, a distinguished career of being a reactionary right wing figure and also a whole bunch of other various scams and frauds and whatnot. I invite anybody to go look up his

history. And so why would this esteemed Canadian professor be having him on his show? Now, it might be because the esteemed Canadian professor is a right-wing loon, but actually in this occasion, it was a different reason. And I thought it's just interesting to note how far the Peterson pathology extends. So listen to this little exchange from Jordan Peterson's podcast.

I've been following Tommy for quite a while, but you were quite instrumental in arranging this discussion. So why did you do that? Why? Very long time ago and supporting you as well. Why did I want to do it? Yeah. Why do you trust him? Why do I trust him?

I don't know. I had a pretty disagreeable Irish father and he was and he was a smart ass, you know. And I trust Donald Trump. I trusted Donald Trump all along, too. I don't know. I just, I know when... You like disagreeable men. I like men who have values that they'll stand by, and they are brave and say what they mean.

I think we need men to stand up, and we need women to figure out their crap because we're causing a lot of trouble. And I'm going to try to help with that. So Tommy Robinson has a very feminine voice, Chris. That's not, no, yeah, sorry. That's Tommy Peterson. That's Jordan Peterson's wife explaining that she was the primary motivation for inviting Tommy Robinson on. Tommy is sitting there because he's a good man, Matt. And, you know, he's a man that speaks up for what's right. And Tammy respects good values like Donald Trump, who she trusts and knows is good and honest. So, I mean, I already knew that Jordan Peterson's wife was a quite hardcore

Christian. That was one of the things in her content that I saw came across quite clearly. But I didn't realize she was politically essentially as extreme as Jordan Peterson. And it's just that thing, Matt, that like, you know, even if you like Trump, like describing him as an honest man who is very principled, like it's, I mean, I find it quite impressive how credulous they are,

the whole family, but in particular, they're talking about a figure whose real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon. By the way, Tommy Robinson is a chosen name that he applies, but he's got a long history, just a solid career of dubious activities. And it's all circulating around the far right. But like I say, also various scams. So he likes to present himself as a principled free speech advocate or whatever. But if you go and look into his history, it immediately becomes apparent that he's essentially a right-wing con artist figure. But it's just that the Petersons seem incredibly credulous towards this kind of thing.

But it's the whole family. There's a couple of other kids that are less well-known. One of them is making a writing app with Jordan Peterson and sometimes appears. But can credulity be a character trait? Because it's not genetic, right? Because it's his wife and him and their daughter and the it's spread evenly across the crop yeah is it credulity or ideological fixation because you you get similar kinds of statements from MAGA type people who idolize someone like Donald Trump and

will say similar things you know the best and bravest most honest man in the world it's a bit like a democrat calling Joe Biden a bright young thing you know it's totally delusional but isn't the general consensus that essentially when people have such strong ideological commitments like Jordan Peterson and his wife do they just distort reality to to fit them right yeah yeah i guess it it is ideological and perhaps personality traits as well i guess that explains why it's selective credulity right because it's always credulity deployed towards figures that are of the right leaning or far right variety. But yeah, in any case, I just thought worth a short mention to say that it's not just McKinley and Jordan.

It's also Tammy. She's also far right inclined. So, you know. Yeah. So they had a nice chat, did with this guy yeah yeah you know talking about how he's unfairly persecuted and there's attempts to silence him and he's just speaking truth to power just trying to raise issues about islamist violence and all this kind of thing so yeah that's it yeah i know yeah yeah you heard one of those episodes. You've heard them all really, haven't you?

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Now, Matt, the other thing I wanted to mention was someone we don't cover on the podcast and we haven't covered him in general because it's a little bit low hanging fruit. He's an overt conspiracy theorist in a way and the paradigmatic example. But we have seen actually quite a lot of crossover

with people appearing on this show as they become more extreme. And that's Alex Jones of Infowars fame. Somebody with a long history again of promoting far-right figures and famously harassing the parents of dead children at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. So just a really, really terrible person in many respects.

And he lost a bunch of court cases recently that he's currently trying to avoid paying by setting up, you know, shell companies, transferring assets to family members and whatnot. And there are various efforts by the court to try and get parts of the money for the parents of the court case that he lost that may lead to InfoWars eventually being shut down. That's where we are. But throughout that court case, like Alex Jones has several court cases, a few are ongoing, but he essentially failed so dramatically throughout the court cases. We talked about it a little in some of the previous episodes, but he failed to act in accordance with most court proceedings such that he lost cases on default. He failed to comply with the standard procedures. And so he was found, you know, okay, you've lost the case by default. And now the case is just to decide how much the damages are. And yet during those cases, he couldn't resist from doing things like insulting

the parents further, putting the judge from the trial up in flames on his show. And the clips were then played at the trial and so on. So he ended up clearly not showing remorse, advancing further conspiracy theories that the parents were controlled by the deep state or that they were suffering mental deficiencies and whatnot. Just he's an incredibly distasteful person. And that trial played hundreds of hours in total from various depositions and stuff, which highlighted that one, InfoWars was extremely culpable for promoting these narratives.

And they were aware that they might get in trouble for it. And they didn't care. They materially benefited from it. They got the extra attention, money from people purchasing things. And so they directly, materially benefited of causing suffering to the parents of children

who had been killed in the shooting. It's super distasteful crap. And Jones advanced various conspiracies and so on throughout his deposition and also revealed that InfoWars has very, very lax editorial and investigatory standards. Just if you didn't know that, right.

Everything was just really amateurish and crap. That's what the trial revealed. To the extent that even this is not maybe the fault of InfoWars, but it is in line with the general procedures there. but it is in line with the general procedures there. Famously, their trial lawyer sent all of Alex's phone records to the opposing trial staff, right? The guy representing the parents. And then failed to respond to a notice that he'd done that, which meant that they could then be used by the opposing side.

And this revealed all the private texts that Alex'd done that, which meant that they could then be used by the opposing side. And this revealed all the private texts that Alex had done, that they had requested and Alex had said that he didn't have. And this was like a kind of famous moment in the trial that you can see. Right. Now, so with all that, Alex Jones has been in trouble. 1.5 billion was the settlement in one of the cases. In any case, it's a huge amount of money. They'll never get that much back,

but he's in trouble if they're collecting. And he decided recently that he needed to go back on InfoWars and talk about the Sandy Hook shooting. So wait, so Alex Jones decided he needed to talk about the shooting again yeah well actually let's see what motivated him here's his reasoning my mother again like every two years will tell me something she wants me to say she's super smart great instincts and she's an amazing person she doesn't get she never gets my business other than saying you're too fat, you need to exercise and stuff like that. She looked at me across the table and she said,

what has been done to us in America with this Sandy Hook thing and how they set you up and what they've done, I want you to do a final word on it, not about what supposedly happened or didn't happen there 11 years ago, but on the process of the government and the media and the disinfo and what you actually said and what they said. You need to put a chronicle out before they shut down InfoWars because, as you know, there's a good chance it's going to happen. And I sat back because I was literally thinking about it in the days before and that morning. When I pulled in the parking lot of the Mexican food restaurant at 10 a.m., I was thinking about that. I never even talked to my mom about Sandy Hook.

She just sees the HBO documentaries and all the attacks. And I walk in there, and 30 minutes in, as the food's being put on the table, she looks at me, she says, I want you to expose these people. And I sat back and I said, I'm going to do it soon. She goes, don't wait. I know you don't like talking about yourself. I know you don't really like talking about it, but you need to get it on record.

And I said, I will. And my mother told me not to settle with these people either. I didn't. That's the last advice she gave me. Okay. So he's bringing his mother into it, and he's talking about the court case, and he's essentially, he's relitigating it on air,

and he's connecting his, as he would see it, persecution in this court case and he's linking it to the various conspiracies that he was spreading which caused the court case in the first place yeah and just for anyone who isn't familiar there's a very good podcast knowledge fight that covers alex john in depth and they've detailed how his family primarily around his father is apparently completely in line and is likely the person that introduced alex to like far right rhetoric through the john birch society and his father is involved with info wars setting up companies now to help

him funnel off funds and stuff like that so it is likely that a Alex's family are completely in line or broadly aligned, at least with his politics. So none of this is surprising. But yeah, the advice from his mother was don't settle with the parents. And he ended up with over a billion dollar settlement against them. But then he thinks the good thing is to clear the air on Sandy Hook and that line as well. Anyone that knows Alex, how stupid that is to say he air on Sandy Hook. And that line as well, anyone that knows Alex, how stupid that is to say he doesn't like talking about himself. So that's it, right? Like it's advice from his muller that he needs to get back

and let people know what really happened about Sandy Hook. And let's just see some of the other people he mentions who recognize that there's issues about the way that he's been stitched up. Not saying we won't be shut down in like two months that's a whole nother discussion i can explain it all to you but it's a lot to unpack but but here's what you need to know not only do we have the head of the fbi in connecticut at the time admitting he cooked all this up the democrat and Senator Blumenthal's office on the stand. We also have the CIA agent getting caught in the Project Veritas spinoff video three months ago, admitting that it was all a setup against me from day one. And now you have Joe Rogan coming out last week, or I guess last week.

Hell, it was Friday, when Jimmy Dore saying he thinks I was set up. And I'm not going to talk about private discussions with Rogan. Once he gets into something, he's really smart. He's figured it out. Yeah, yeah. So there's a connection here, isn't there, between tommy robinson the jordan peterson and his family brett weinstein's brett weinstein and his family and alex jones and his family like these main players they are con artists and liars and scammers really aren't they well and also the

persecution narrative that like it's all about targeted plots to take them down it's the cia and it's it's absolutely rewriting you know all these claims that project veritas has proved that it was all a stretch of like no they haven't no you were sued by the parents of dead children because you you targeted them and got your audience to target them that's what the court case proved. The people that were on the stands, it wasn't the CIA and the FBI and all that. As far as they're involved, it's only the people that were there doing, you know, investigations into it. So yeah, that, but also the reference to Rogan. Rogan gets it. Like he worked out recently,

you know, that he was stitched up and he was talking with Jimmy Dore about it. And he has private conversations with Rogan. And he really puts his mind to it, Matt. Rogan gets into it. And Rogan is someone who's consistently defended Alex Jones, constantly stated that he was right about things, constantly stated that, you know, he's been misrepresented. So yeah, just a reminder, the kind of people that rogan surrounds himself with and like chooses to go to bat for so now what what is it that these people are panicking about that alex might reveal and i said the same thing happened with sandy hook the police report the emt reports you can look them up. I'm going to put this in the piece.

Say when the police got there, they go in the bathroom, and there's a pile of dead children in a pyramid with no blood, and the police report says we believe they've been moved there. There was men in the woods on helicopter footage. I was covering the real thing. They picked a few operatives, a few professors, a few people. They either worked for them or were mentally ill to create a narrative. It didn't happen because it started coming out that it was something else. Real kids died.

Adam Lanza was CIA. That came out in the news. Look it up. Adam Lanza, CIA, the shooter, not me. I didn't kill him. You know my name. You don't know his, do you? And I explained that it looks like because i was exposing what really happened

they then diverted off i covered it then they made me that guy and the rest is history within three days of me five weeks ago saying that all hell broke loose can you put this in normal human language for me chris because i find it a bit hard to understand exactly what he's saying what he's referencing now is there's one part he came across when he was deposed in the trial period like he just latches on those things there was one account from somebody that was there in the aftermath of the shooting and they made a comment about there being a lot of blood around some people who were shot but initially they didn't see blood around some of the bodies of the kids and they thought initially they had been moved but like it's one line in initial reaction and

like this whole thing about them being arranged in the pyramid that's nonsense and him describing that adam lanza is a cia figure right adam lanza is the person that did this shooting so he's alleging you know that that person was you know an operative and in some respect or trained or like mind controlled but so he's leaping online to say that he was getting to the truth then yeah other people put these disinformation figures, people like Wolfgang Halbig, who was a figure that Alex Jones strongly promoted, who targeted the family, said there were crisis actors and whatnot.

And this was intended to discredit him from getting to the actual thing. And this is all based on when he started waffling during his deposition about this discrepancy about doing that guy said there's not been blood or whatever the prosecutors said you know are you seriously advancing more conspiracy theories during your deposition and said we're not here for this and tried to move him on but he's now presenting that oh that was them because i was getting the truth so it's just like okay another layer of his conspiracy kick but he was the one that promoted all these

fringe figures there's emails showing that you know he thought that they were legitimate sources and that kind of thing so no it's it's absolute bullshit and it's self-serving nonsense but it's it's again inventing that there was something nefarious about the sandy hook thing and it's self-serving nonsense but it's it's again inventing that there was something nefarious about the sandy hook thing that it's not what it appears to be right yeah i understand what's going on here so he's essentially revisiting rehashing all of his conspiracies standing by them essentially um about sandy hook and weaving them into his own personal tale of grievance, how he's been targeted and so on. Yeah, it's just what strikes me, Chris,

is how incredibly useful conspiratorial thinking is to just, you know, blatant compulsive liars and con artists like Alex Jones. Because, I mean, he's obviously conspiratorial himself, but his audiences as well. So, you know, he can spin any old yarn. He obviously feels a bit like Donald Trump, that if he can win things in the court of public opinion, then somehow he'll save his bacon in one way or another. He might, he might attract a whole bunch of donations, a fighting fund. Joe Rogan might go into bat for him. Who knows? Who knows what he's thinking?

But yeah, I mean, it's just, I just really hate conspiracy theories, conspiratorial thinking. It's just like, it creates people who indulge in that kind of thing. They think they're being incredibly skeptical. They think that they're you know peering under the hood and finding out what's really going on but they are just such marks aren't they for people like alex jones or donald trump or this tommy robinson oh yeah yeah yeah you can hear the rhetoric about presenting it about being free speech and investigation and considering all probabilities equally. Like, this echoes again things that we heard with Brett and Heller, right,

when discussing the conspiracy around Trump and the assassination attempt. So we now have figured it out. I mean, who knows? I may be driving home today and they claim a carjacker kills me in a red light. I mean, folks, the CIA is running this. They've been caught on video admitting it with the FBI head in Connecticut at the time. And when I talk about men in the woods and piles of dead kids with no blood, baby, they go bonkertown. So no matter what happens to me,

in fact, I'm telling the researchers, guys, get me the police reports that were finally made public. They tried to suppress them. They suppressed them for six years. I want the police reports. I want the EMT reports. I want it all. We have now figured out what happened and how we got set up.

And Joe Rogan, a few days ago, talked about what happened and how we got set up and joe rogan a few days ago talked about his own understanding how i got set up and so the internet and the population because we're the real ai billions of us together we are figuring out what really happened here and now it's just it's so horrible you got an empty school evidence is very clear in my opinion that it had been closed. It had been. You got all this weirdness going on. And then it starts coming out. And Adam lands the CIA.

His dad at DARPA. His mom buys him the gun. All this. And all the witnesses, a lot of them have committed suicide. I don't know exactly what happened, but as an American and as a human being, I have a right to talk about this. That is exactly the kind of thing that he did before. Encourage people to target parents, to, you know, demand photos of dead children and all those cases. And at least now he's saying the children died.

Right. But he's he's saying he wants to get police reports. He wants EMT reports. And the school was empty beforehand. There's there's like evidence of a cover up. So he hasn't learned anything, Matt. He he's been publicly humiliated through the court case, which constantly revealed that he doesn't do any of the shit he's saying about looking into reports and

whatever. It's all just cherry picking and claiming strategic ignorance when it suits. But all of it is based around, I have the right to say this. I an american i'm just noticing the discrepancies and and so on and and again the reference to rogan gets it rogan gets it right so as long as the figures are giving him credit and you you see so many in the heterodox fear saying alex jones is mostly right he gets a couple of things wrong but he you know he's so often ahead of the curve and yeah it's just it's so distasteful it is distasteful i mean the thing i mentioned before about people like jordan peterson's and his family being so credulous when it comes to someone who should be recognizable as a blatant con artist like tommy robinson i think this you see the same dynamics with alex jones's fans because it's not

just that they're conspiratorially minded it's that he's pressing all of the correct ideological buttons he's hitting the religious buttons he's hitting the patriotic american buttons you name it so there's that the ideological spin that fits people's, whatever, emotional responses, primes them to accept whatever it is they're saying. Yeah. And you know, Matt, we talked about how conspiracy theorists have to denounce other conspiracy theorists for being too credulous, presented that they are the critical thinkers. So listen to this. The people that are conspiracy theorists I'm attacking, I'm saying, you know, you're buying the old cover story. You cover up a true story with a fake preposterous

story that can then be discredited. And so I'll be honest with you, I don't know what really happened. But we need congressional investigations. We need statewide investigations. We need hearings on why does the report say there's a pile of dead kids in the bathroom? They got to force the door open. There's no blood because you shoot somebody. There's blood everywhere. Never shot people, but I've shot wild hogs and deer and bobcats and. Well, I've just shot a lot of things i mean the amazing thing is is that they can make their conspiracy theories part of the conspiracy right yeah he advanced these conspiracy theories he yeah these wild conspiracy theories and and they turned out to be wrong but that's because that's

what they wanted him to believe so that they could wrong foot him so he wouldn't get a handle on the real conspiracy so it's like inception level conspiracy something it's just it's just striking isn't it how flexible conspiratorial reasoning is that can fit any and encompass everything you know if you're wrong it's because they tricked you into being wrong to hide the next conspiracy from you it's just so yeah i know it's amazing that it works um yeah and you know we talked about the rhetoric as well of presenting you being criticized as evidence that you're correct you know brett and eric often talk about this again, just to hear this directly stated. You attack me when I'm over the target. You think I go away because the pain.

I go towards the pain. But I couldn't figure out what was going on. Like, I'm a Sandy Hook guy. I go pee on graves. What is this, years after I barely covered it? What's happening? What did I do? What did I say?

I was on the trail of what really happened. The other shooters, all of it. And I was told by the witnesses, the lawyers, all they said, yeah, they said, you've got to be taken off the air now. You're talking about other shooters. I'm like, who cares? I'm this evil, discredited guy. I'm the devil. I killed the kids. I'm Adam Lanza. Yes, my name starts with the same letter. Hey, Adam, Alex, it's me. I did it. guess my name starts with the same letter a adam alex it's me i did it so why do you care that i just five weeks ago just said you know i think i figured this out this is what i think's going on we need to oh i'll get him off the air right now oh my god he's gonna go off the air right now no do not look at kids do not look at dead piles of kids do not look at what's in the bathroom do not talk about it shut up shut up no no no god no

do not no please no stop just shut up oh oh me thinks you protest too much i know i know this is the person again that you will often hear the heterodox people talk about. You know, he's sometimes a bit too extreme, but he's so often right. No, he isn't. He's an absolute, credulous, manipulative fool. Yeah. So who was it? It was Brett Weinstein who was on his show not so long ago. Brett Weinstein was on his show, but like Tim Dillon, this popular comedian, had him on immediately to talk about the aftermath of the shooting. Like the Red Scare people had him on, you know, like they just in general, he's seen as, oh, he's a kooky figure, you know, isn't it fun? And this is what he's about.

Like he's just again saying he was on the right track about inventing the conspiracies about Sandy Hook. He hasn't even learned the lesson about the most basic conspiracy that he could. He did a couple of times on Rogan try to suggest that maybe he had become too extreme and he was seeing conspiracies, but it was all just serving bullshit. He hasn't learned any lessons at all and he's he's going to keep doing this so

the thing that's amazing is he lost a huge court case and yet he's on air on Infowars peddling a new variation of the conspiracy theories about the Sandy Hook shootings. It doesn't matter. And he's not considered persona non grata in the conservative or heterodox sphere. He's maybe even now got more credibility than usual because of the Trump assassination attempt. It's so annoying, man. And the last clip is just,

we heard Joe Rogan invoked. That's one of the main conspiratorial chucklebox out there. Here's one more. All the evidence points towards the Democrats all over this, Obama all over this, their whole reelection campaign off of this. Everything with them is about this. This is their big event to get the guns and get the First Amendment and get everything. This is their big event to get the guns and get the First Amendment and get everything.

And so what are we going to do? Jones is poking around. It was an anti-terror drill, a mass shooting drill. Men in the woods, helicopters picked them up. On the news, we have the footage. What do we do? Just have some lunatics go out and say it didn't happen and pump them give them huge attention if you'd like to continue listening to this conversation you'll need to subscribe at patreon.com slash decoding the gurus once you do you'll get access to full-length episodes of the decoding the gurus podcast including bonus shows gurometer episodes and decoding academia

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