Two In The Think Tank - 251 - The Abduction of Betty and Barney Hill

Episode Date: August 12, 2020

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Never been happier. Never been healthier. I'm even healthier than Jess. Yeah. So it's not hard. And I'm making a healthy dog. How are you, Dave? I'm probably the third healthiest, but still feeling pretty good. So great. You know, all right. Great. That's amazing.

And Dave, I'd love for you to tell us, because normally Justin and I do this, but I think you'd be very good at it. How does this show work? Well, I don't know how it's gonna work today, but for the previous 250 episodes, what has happened is, we take it and turns the report on a topic, often suggested to us by a listener.

One of us goes where does the the research, brings it back. The other two people don't know what the topic's even gonna be. So to get us onto that topic, the report giver, asks us a pesky little question. And it's Jess's turn, and I'm wondering, have you written a question? I did it just before, so the question is. Nice.

Who, what or who was the first report of an alien, it's the first report of an alien abduction in the United States? Oh, does this have anything to do with Stanton Friedman? No. Oh, our UFO guy, the Roswell dude, he was obsessed. Was it Molder's sister? No. I don't think so. No.

It wasn't Becky Molder. I don't think we're going to know this. Was it a human? Yes. It was two humans. Jeff and Lisa, Cresno, McEun. No, a bit close. It was Betty and Barney Hill.

Oh, great. No, it was just rings of bells. Yeah, I think I have heard that since. Yeah, I've heard it names. Betty and Barney Hill, fantastic. It's been suggested a few times, so it's been suggested by Will Hancock, Blake T. Wild, Matt Lass and Earl Crawford, all incredible to Oups.

Earl Crawford? That sounds like he'd be Earl Crawford the third for sure. Yeah, totally. This is also one, so I put up a few second chance topics, ones that I'd already previously had people vote on, but that hadn't quite made it. And this one, when I first put it up, barely got any votes. The difference this time is that I added the word alien, because I just had a reduction of Betty about a hill last time. People were like, it sounds like a kidnapping, no thanks.

Then I said alien abduction, and it wanted an absolute landslide. So here we go. All right. So in September of 1961, Barney Hill, who was 39, and his wife Betty, who was 42, decided they needed a weekend away. Barney worked night shift for the US Postal Service, and he drove 60 miles or 96 Ks each way for work. And Betty was a social worker handling child welfare cases.

So they were obviously very busy with work and their little free time was dedicated to the Unitarian Church and their involvement with the Civil Rights Movement. They were both members of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and Barney was a board member for the United States Commission on Civil Rights. This was important to them because Barney was an African-American man and Betty was white, which at the time was fairly uncommon

to have an interracial marriage. So they're very busy people and they've been married for just over a year at this point. So they decided to have a little holiday as a belated honeymoon. So they left their home in Port Smith, New Hampshire, and they drove to Niagara Falls and then looped around to Montreal.

Which by the way, is a pretty massive distance, like I looked it up on a map and it's like, they're driving like really long hours considering they were only away for about three days. So they're just spending a lot of time in the car. This is a man. This is pre-podcast. Yeah, but this is a man who drives like 200k every day just for work. So he's like, there's nothing I love the car. Yeah, I know, but it's like, I need a break from all this driving. Let's go on a really long road trip. They compress it to three days. Yeah, exactly. It's a doable distance, but I mean,

there's been a lot of time in the car. Anyway, so there've been a way for a few days. On their last night, they stopped at a diner in Vermont for dinner. Oh, I mean America's greatest state. We just got to say it quickly. I'm on. America's greatest state. I'm a Vermont speaker. I totally forgot. Are the whippies.

I forgot to leave a pause after saying for month. I forgot that I'm sorry, Dave. It's the creamy. Creamy. Creamy. I'm with the creamy. Which is like I've been a little bit creamy out if you can believe it. You wouldn't go into your hat it.

Just a quick side date. I really riled up some Americans when last year when I hollered eight L.A. and I was on the Santa Monica pier and I thought, I could source them soft serve ice cream. And I was like, I'll get a photo with this. And I said, this is the closest I could get to a creamy. That really kicked off the comment section. People were pissed off that I was claiming that a normal ice cream was a creamy.

They're very, very patriotic about their creams. So sorry about that. Okay. All right. Wow. Yeah. I mean, everyone knows that Dave. You mocked up their buddy. Yeah. I wasn't playing America for that. Sorry about that America. That's not new. Okay, so it's the last night they've stopped for dinner and a diner. They've stopped for dinner at a diner. Oh, God save our whoopies. Creamy. Creamy.

That was beautiful. Barney figured they could drive all the way home that night to save them getting stuck in bad weather that was sort of heading in their direction. So they left the diner about 10pm. This is on September 19. And they figured they'd be back in their house in Port Smith between 2 and 3am. It was around a four hour drive. They're like, we'll just drive through the night, get home before crappy weather.

So they're driving home late at night, and out the car window, Betty spots a bright light that moves below the moon and the planet Jupiter, and then upwards to the west of the moon. Do they know that? Like do they know? No what, a light. They're not lights are in the 60s, yeah. Do they know? Oh, because I wouldn't look outside and say, oh that's west of Jupiter, that's you know, that's the moon, that's Jupiter. Are they stargazing? I mean you wouldn't you wouldn't look outside and go, oh that's the moon. No, that's I wouldn't, yeah, I don't know what the moon looks like, to be honest, I don't know. Okay. Jupiter, I know what that is.

Really, really big light. Yeah, the big one next to Jupiter, is that right? Jupiter is the red one. Yeah, the big one next to Jupiter is the moon, yeah. Okay, gotcha, I remember that for now. No, you're right, Dave, I don't think I'd know. Oh, that's Jupiter, oh, that's this. But, obviously, right, Dave. I don't think I'd know. Oh, that's stupid or all that's this, but obviously, yeah, she did. But, you know, this, again, this is pre-netflix, pre-podcasts, like people had less to do.

So they looked to the sky. Anyway, so first she assumed that she was just watching a shooting star. She's like, oh, it's just like a falling shooting star. But then as it moved erratically upwards, she figured that didn't really make sense for a shooting star. So they decided to stop the car so they could take a better look. So Barney stopped at this scenic picnic area just south of Twin Mountain, which is a couple of hours northwest of Portsmouth. They're like halfway home.

Betty pulled out the binoculars and observed an odd-shaped craft flashing multicolored lights travel across the face of the moon. That's crazy. David gets crazier. No. Yes, sir. I'm a bit scared. That does scare me. You should be.

Well, Betty wasn't too scared because a few years earlier, her sister had claimed that she'd seen a flying saucer. So Betty's like, I'm probably just seeing a flying saucer. You know, nothing to be concerned about. Checks her. Then Barney had a look through the binoculars. And he said it was most likely just a commercial airliner traveling towards Vermont on its way to Montreal.

So he's like, it's a plane. But he quickly changed his mind. But he knew that because last year his sister had been on a plane. Yeah, yeah, and he was like, she said they have heaps of lights on her. So... He quickly changed his mind though because he saw that the object was rapidly descending towards them, which ideally planes don't do. Yeah.

I mean, how quickly did he change his mind as a plane? What do you think was a plane suddenly starts coming towards him? Yeah, that's not a plane. It's probably not a plane. It's probably not a plane. I was probably not a plane. It's probably not a plane. So they went back to their car and they started driving towards Franconia notch, which is a narrow mountainous stretch of road, very isolated stretch of road.

They continued down the isolated road, driving slowly so they can still observe the object as it appears to be getting closer. After driving and watching for a while, the object rapidly descended towards their vehicle, causing Barney to slam on the brakes and stop in the middle of the highway. The huge silent craft hoved approximately 80 to 100 feet, so 20 to 30 meters above the hills 1957 Chevrolet Bellair. What's the fucking cool sound of car?

I don't know, nothing about it. They're those big long ones. You know those long ones are wings and stuff. Yeah, cool. Yeah, nice. Barney said the craft reminded him of a giant pancake. Oh, I'm getting hungry. That's one of our most beloved Aussie outback things is the giant pancake I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most delicious landma. Strange

thing is they only said crepes there. It's very weird. Very weird. Yeah, it's like you go to the big car. So Barney got out of the car. Fuck, that would have been great time, Evan. He had his pistol in his pocket. And he took out the binoculars to get a closer look. That's when he saw between eight and eleven humanoid figures looking out the craft window at him. At the window. Oh, is that what the aliens in that?

Bella! Wow, through the windscreen, that was hovering. That was hovering. That was hovering. It was crazy. So they're just they're looking at the window at him. That's kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Like a b him. That's kind of crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Like a bus. Sounds like a school bus. All the kids are just,

alien kids are just waving at the school bus. They're trying to get him to hunt the horn. They're going home. Oh, yeah. They're going home. Ha ha ha ha ha. Hunk the horn. Do you remember coming back from like school excursions

and you'd get the bus would come alongside a truck and all these kids are going, please hug and then one truck driver does it and the whole bus goes, yeah! And I imagine if an alien did that, that would be amazing. That's the best. That would be next level. That would be sick. Okay, so there's eight to 11 humanoid figures looking at him out the window. Amazing that this alien spaceship has windows.

Is that mean it's got a glass floor? Is that what that means? Because they're looking down. I imagine a flying saucer, it's hovering there above. To look at the window, you have to look directly down, right? Are they looking through their glass bottom? Well, I mean, their hovering fairly close, and I think they must sort of be maybe just in front of them so they're kind of almost looking back at him. I don't know, Dave, I wasn't there, but they're looking at him. And the cool

position of the glass bottom boat, you know, like they maybe are just tourists. Maybe not school kids there. It's a, it's like gray nomad bus and they're all there just sort of sightseeing. Yeah. Well, maybe they're just, they're just trying to park and they're like, how much room I got back there? Hey, you, how am I doing like that? You know, there's the, at the idea that they're gray-skinned. Maybe that's what alien, old or aliens are, you know, maybe they're normally green and as they age, they get gray-skinned. Gray-skinned, that's all they older aliens are, you know, maybe they're normally green and as they age they get gray skined. And that's all they are. So we keep saying these gray skin aliens, but they're just gray skined nomads. They're just traveling. They're just working in the alien minds.

Yeah. And now they're just traveling. So should they? Okay, so yeah, totally, live your best life. So all but one of these humanoid figures turn away from the window, they go to do something and then the one that remained continued to look at Barney and communicated a message telling him to stay where you are and keep looking. Oh, okay. Telepathically, I assume. Oh, you know, this is this is not hand signals. You stay. Keep looking. Stay watching. He thought he thought he was doing signaling him that, but he was actually doing the latest alien dance, Chris.

Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Start right now. Or he was just flipping him off an alien language. You fuck off. You live on a shit planet. You. Fuck off.

He's like, yeah, I will keep watching. I will keep watching. The aliens are like, no, fuck off. Yes, okay. No, Fuck off. He's like, I will keep watching, I will keep watching. The hell is that? No, fuck off. Yes, okay. No, fuck off. Get out of here. We're trying to park here and have a look around. Jesus.

Humid. So the craft descended lower towards them. And a long structure appeared to be descending from the bottom of a craft of the craft. Oh no, it's cheating on them. It's cheating on them. It's cheating on them. Oh no. Oh no.

Funny ran back to the car, hysterically telling Betty, they're going to capture us, which he knew, because one of them had told him telepathically. Whoa, hysterically like in a funny way? Probably not like laughing hysterically, probably like panicking. Oh, I thought he might have re-told it in a humorous way. Yeah, no. He'll never believe what happened. He'll never believe what happened.

He'll never believe what happened. And she's like laughing so hard. It's like a way of our body. You are so funny. This is why I married you. You're so funny. You did forget to mention they had done LSD half an hour earlier. We'll have a long takes for LSD to work.

I don't know. So Barney speeds off, but almost immediately they hear rhythmic beeping or buzzing sounds and the car starts vibrating and both Barney and Betty felt a tingling sensation. Can I quickly just ask you a question? That's the drugs kicking in. Can I ask the man of a thousand noises what rhythmic beeping would sound like? What does that sound like? Well first, that rhythmic beeping sound is just the song that they're dancing to.

And the tingling that the hills are getting is the drugs kicking in. But anyway, the beeping sound would have gone like this. I like that, that's rhythmic. That's the summer anthem of 2020. The Dan's anthem, the Dan's anthem. So they said they felt an altered state of consciousness that left their minds dulled, so they've kind of blacked out. Then, another series of beeping and buzzy sounds, buzzy buzzing sounds, brought them back to full consciousness.

They had traveled nearly 35 miles or 56 Ks south but had barely any recollection of driving that section of the road. They said they had some vague memory of making a sudden unplanned turn, encountering a roadblock and observing a fiery orb in the road. Wow. So they come to 50 Ks down the road, no memory of driving it. That's completely weird. That's completely weird. That is a bit weird. So they arrive home around dawn, realizing that they're two hours later than they'd expected to be. So they've lost two hours and about 56 cases. They have no idea what's happened in that time. So they both had a

strange and unexplained impulses and sensations. They were just feeling odd. The example on Wikipedia is Betty insisted their luggage be kept near the back door rather than in the main part of the house. You know, so just like strange stuff like that. That's weird, that's kooky. Yeah. Betty came home, she wanted to move the bed slightly. Whoa.

Whoa. Whoa, Betty. What's going on? Few other things though were very strange. So both of their watches had stopped and never worked again. Their watches had just fucked. The leather strap on their binoculars was torn, but Barney had no idea how that had happened.

And in the greatest sentence I've ever read in our four years of podcasts, Barney says he was compelled to examine his genitals in the bathroom, though he found nothing unusual. LAUGHTER LAUGHTER He was like, I just had to check the dick. Did you have to check there was still there?

I don't know. He's just like, what's going on? Something felt, maybe something felt a bit off. They've ripped binoculars, they could rip anything. I better check. LAUGHTER Oh my god, they could rip anything. I better check. Yeah. Oh my God. I should have... I better just check. I always assumed the probe was up the butt, but maybe it's something you read through. Wow. Maybe. Maybe his dick had stopped and it never worked again. It was like he's watching. Even a stop dick is right twice a day. So they both took really long showers, presumably Barney checked his dick again, and then they sat down and both drew what they'd seen.

Barney just threw his dick, just tried to just throw it away. Surely. But he drew like really big, and Betty's like, all right mate. Come on, come on. You wish. So they tried to piece together what had happened, but after the buzzing sounds, their memories were fragmented and foggy. There was like vague things that would come up,

but they're like, oh, they couldn't piece everything together. Later, Betty noticed that the dress she'd been wearing on the drive was torn at the hem, the zipper, and the lining. It was really damaged. She put it away in her cupboard and it wasn't until later that she noted a pinkish powder on her dress. She couldn't explain. They also noticed shiny concentric circles on their car's trunk that hadn't been there

the previous day. Betty and Barney experimented with the compass, noting that when they moved it closer to the spots, the needles would whirl rapidly. But when they moved it a few inches away from the shiny spots, it would drop down. So something weird has happened. So it's because what does concentric mean? Um, Dave! It means when both people give permission, concentric. Don't I mean? That's consensual tantric set. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah. Sting does it. So. Concentric circles are like when there's circles inside a circle. Right. Yeah, just sort of like continuous circles. And then, and then magnetic for some reason. Very strange.

Really weird. So Betty Telephone, P's Air Force Base to report their UFO encounter a couple of days later. Major Paul W. Henderson, Telephone The Hills for more details and interviewed them. And in his report a few days later, he wrote that the couple had probably misidentified

the planet Jupiter. And it doesn't really explain any of what they described. I saw 8-11 kids from inside Jupiter waving at them. Jupiter came down just above their car and Jupiter had like a glass bottle. And Jupiter drew circles on their car. Classic Jupiter. A good explanation. Yeah, that's what his report said. So good on him.

So Betty was an avid reader and she checked out some books from the library that were about UFOs and she discovered that there was a civilian UFO group called the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena or NICAP. Head of NICAP was retired Marine Corps major Donald E. Keeho. There's a lot of people using their middle initials in this story and I love it. Donald E. Keeho. So Betty wrote to him and told him their whole story and that they were considering hip noses to help recall what had happened. Her letter was passed on to another nightcap member an astronomer from Boston named Walter N. Webb. A month after their encounter, Webb visited the hills

and interviewed them for six hours about their experience. Barney asserted that he developed a sort of mental block and that he suspected there were some portions of the event that he did not wish to remember, like he's just repressing things. Webstator, they were telling the truth and the incident probably occurred exactly as reported, except for some minor uncertainties and technicalities that must be tolerated in such observations where human judgment is involved. So he's saying like the exact time and length

of visibility, size of objects, distance, you know, things like that where you're kind of like, oh, it's probably 30-ish feet, but he said everything else, spot on. Wow. So he's not like the fact that this ever happened, he's like, that definitely happened, but everything else, and I was so sure.

Yeah. He believed that it happened, but he was like, you know, I think he's just covering his ass there. So he's sort of like, he's not, I'm not saying it's all 100% real because they could have, it could have been 90 feet instead of 80 feet away. So I don't want to say that they were 100% spread on. You know, you just got to cover your ass.

That's smart. Yeah, you got to cover your ass in these scenarios. You got it. When you're backing up an alien side and you've got to cover your ass, even if you're involved in an alien abduction also, cover your ass. That's rule number one. But it's a thing in the probes. Rule number one. Rule number two, check it in and it goes. Every 10 minutes if you have to just keep checking up.

I know what I'm doing after this episode. Just in case. I know what I'm doing right now. Oh, oh good. Yep. Evan's everything's good. Still there. So 10 days after the alleged UFO encounter, Betty began having a series of vivid dreams. They continued for five successive nights.

Never in her memory had she recalled dreams in such detail and intensity, but they stopped abruptly after five nights and they never returned. Oh, it's just had dreams. She told Bani about it after the first few dreams and while he was sympathetic, he told her not to worry about it, so she didn't really bring it up with him again. He was kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're fine. So a little while after Walter Wurb had interviewed them, Betty started to write down the details from those dreams that she had. And this is from a good chunk from Wikipedia here, which describes her dreams, which is normally the most tedious conversation you can have.

In one dream, she and Barney encountered a roadblock and men who surrounded their car. She lost consciousness, but struggled to regain it. She then realised she was being forced by two small men to walk in a forest in the night time, and of seeing Barney walking behind her, though when she called to him, he seemed to be in a trance or sleepwalking. The men stood about five feet to five feet four inches tall,

so even in her dreams, she's got a good sense of space. They wore matching blue uniforms So even in her dreams, she's got a good sense of space. They wore matching blue uniforms with caps similar to those worn by military cadets. They appeared nearly human with black hair, dark eyes, prominent noses, and bluish lips. Their skin was a grayish colour. Oh, massive. Mm-hmm.

Sounds right to me. Will they pull you a caravan? I like how they're black hair. They never describe aliens as having hair anymore. Yeah, these ones had hair. In the dreams, Betty Barney and the men walked up a ramp to the disc-shaped craft of metallic appearance.

Once inside, Barney and Betty were separated. She protested and was told by a man she called the leader that if she and Vanity were examined together, it would take much longer to conduct the exams. So they were taken to separate rooms. Betty then dreamt that a new man, similar to the others, entered to conduct her exam with the leader, Betty called this new man the examiner and said that he had a pleasant calm manner. Though the leader and the examiner spoke to her in English, the examiner's commands of the language seemed imperfect and she had difficulty understanding

it. I mean, they probably know heaps of space languages, okay? Yeah. You can't do it more perfectly. How bloody rude. That's disappointing that she didn't give him, you know, the benefit of it out there. How old do you speak Ailey and Betty? Yeah, you weren't trying. Jeez, little weas. So the examiner told Betty that he would conduct a few tests to note the differences between humans and the craft's occupants.

He seated her on a chair, and a bright light was shone on her. This is still all from her dream journal, basically. The man cut off a lock of Betty's hair. He examined her eyes, ears, mouth, teeth, throat, and hands. He saved trimmings of her fingernails, gross. After examining her legs and feet, the man used a dull knife similar to a letter opener to scrape some of her skin onto what resembled cellophane. So they're just taking samples. He then, oh no, I don't want to read that bit because it made me feel uncomfortable. He put like a needle in a belly button. Anyway, the examiner left the room and Betty

engaged in conversation with the leader. She picked up a book with rows of strange symbols that the leader said she could take home with her. She also asked for where he came and he pulled down an instructional map dotted with stars. He just had a map handy in the wall. Well, I'm glad you asked. Broom! Broom! In Betty's dream account, the men began escorting the hills from the ship when a disagreement broke out.

The leader then informed Betty. She couldn't keep the book stating that they had decided the other men did not want her to even remember the encounter. Betty insisted that no matter what they did to her memory, she would one day recall the events. This is in her dream. She's like swearing revenge on them. Oh, get you.

Never forget. She and Barney were taken to their car where the leader suggested that they wait to watch the crafts to park her. They did so, then they resumed driving. So that's the end of her account of her dreams. Wow. That's it. Those are pretty, very detailed.

Yeah. Pretty vivid. So what year was this again, Jess? 61. So it feels like this must be one of the most influential ones because this feels like how they, the stories are often told now. This has got a lot of exiles about it. So I wonder if, I mean, unless it's just

a true story, in which case, of course, there'd be consistencies, but yeah, I wonder if it's been influential. Also, another question, do they have any influence over the riders of the Flintstones? Because there's a couple in that called Betty and Barney as well. Betty and Barney Rubble. Oh yeah, good point. Look, I can't confirm what's nice. I'm just going to say yes. Because if that's the case, maybe this goes all the way to the top. Oh, wow. Yeah, Betty and Bonnie Rubble are based on. Of Hannah Barbera. Betty and Bonnie Hill, yeah. So later that month, so now it's November of 1961. The couple, once again, interviewed by members of NICAP

this time, CD Jackson and Robert E. Hoffman. Whoa. Incredible names. Whoa, what was the software in the middle of that? Well, it's H-O-H-M-A-D-A-L-N. Oh, oh man. Huh? Oh man.

Oh man. Oh man. Oh wow. Oh man. It's a better or worse? Much worse, better. LAUGHTER So in this conversation hypnosis was brought up,

but it was decided they'd, and it was decided they'd try in order to elicit previously irretrievable memories. You're like, let's give hypnosis a try. Barney was skeptical, but he thought it might help Betty put to rest what he described as the nonsense about her dreams. What? This guy also thinks he was abducted, right? And he checks his dick all the time.

Well, he doesn't, he doesn't. Oh, okay, he's constantly... He kind of seems... He's not sure. Okay. Betty sort of seems more like, we were abducted and Barley's like, no, no, no, no. So they decided to do hypnosis

and sort of see what will happen. But it seems finding the right person for the job was difficult. After speaking to a couple people and being referred on a few different times, the Hills eventually found Benjamin Simon from Boston. He was a psychiatrist and neurologist who specialised in hypnosis, which at the time was a very mainstream technique. By the time they first went to see him, it was December 14, 1963, so it was two years after they were in counter. Simon determined pretty quickly that the UFO encounter was causing Barney far more worry and anxiety than he was willing to admit.

He was like, this is eating you up inside. And while he didn't believe that there had been an extraterrestrial encounter, he believed that the hills believed they had one, so he hoped to uncover more information through hypnosis. So he began hypnotising the hills in January 1964. So in his sessions with Barney, Barney reported that the binocular straps had broken when he ran from the UFO back to his car, like when he was first looking at it and they were saying, stay there. He recalled driving the car away from the UFO, but that afterwards he felt irresistibly compelled

to pull off the road and drive into the woods. He eventually cited six men standing in the dirt road, the car stalled and three of the men approached the car. Barney, related that he and Betty were taken onto the craft where they were separated. So it's kind of lining up with Betty's dreams. He was a scorted to a room by three of the men and told to learn a small rectangular table. A cup-like device was placed over his genitals. Oh, cup-like. He says he... cup-like.

Okay. He says he'd cup like. He says he did not experience it all the time. Some more one after Drinker that. He says he did not experience an orgasm though. He believes a sperm sample was taken. Thank you, Fred. They detail their body. I can't say what a rip off.

Come on. I mean, disappoint me. Just give him something out of this. He's getting nothing out of this. Help a brad. Maybe that's how they got it. Maybe it was, they just ripped it right off. Ripped it right out of him.

So what is he suggesting? They injected into his sort of his, his salmon sack or whatever it is and just squeezed it out. Is that one for that right? Oh, Yeah. I'm fair. That's well.

At least, no wonder he doesn't want to relive it. That sounds painful. He did also, it's funny because I actually took it out of the report, but he did say that something was inserted into his ainess and then very quickly removed as well. Oh, sorry. Oh, they're wrong. They've... They've met for the belly button.

Sorry about that. So similar to Betty, they were sort of like looking at your skin, your ears, your eyes, having a look at everything. He said he could feel someone feeling his spine and it seems like they were counting his vertebrae. So that kind of lines up with Betty's dreams where they were sort of trying to compare what humans were like based on, you know, versus what they were like. So they're counting his vertebrae. Betty reported the... So in her hypnosis sessions as

well, she remembered a conversation with the leader that she understood in English, but Barney said the same that he heard them speaking in a mumble language he didn't understand, yet he also understood them in English. Oh, speaking in tongues. Yeah. Maybe this is religious. No, I think because a few times I can be together. The second time I'm with him, Barney said it seemed to be thought transference.

You know, the time he was unfamiliar with the word telepathy. So when they're communicating with him, their mouths aren't moving, they're just like aware of what they want him to do or what they're trying to tell him. Right. So that's pretty cool.

Pretty crazy. So yeah, so maybe the way that he's hearing, it in two different ways is somehow they've got software that translates it into English in his brain. And he's hearing them speak and then his mind translate it. That's pretty sick. I believe it. I reckon this is all real. That's sold it for you, didn't it?

That sold it for me. That little detail. But isn't it weird that he's like, he's saying your dreams of fake, your full of shit Betty, but obviously, we were there that night, we both saw that alien and stuff. But everything since then, you know, isn't that weird? Why doesn't he, why isn't he on board? Or is he starting to believe? Well, I mean, maybe that's just his way of dealing with it.

True. So Dave, Matt is very much a believer. How are you feeling at the moment? Look, I want to believe, but I'm not there yet. I'm not there quite just yet. Okay. You're the skeleton, my molder, Dave. That's right, absolutely. I am a medical doctor. And I've seen evidence, I've seen all the evidence in the world say that aliens are real, but still still I will not believe next week. Whereas I'll have

a wild guess at a very specific theory on to explain the weird series of events and I'll always be right. Always. So that's how we're different. Always. Just like sometimes like, have you come to that conclusion five minutes later? I was entirely right because that's just how they wrote the episode again. Great shot. I absolutely love it. Can't, can't, I can't recommend it enough. I'm starting a battle with it. I'm, I'm starting to get three seasons three,

which I read is the best season. Oh, it's been my least favorite so far. Interesting. I think I enjoyed season two the most. Yeah, love number two. Season two is great. So with the hypnosis, in her sessions with Simon, Betty would describe the map that she'd also seen in her dream.

So it's coming up again in hypnosis as well. So she sketched the map from her memory, which consisted of 12 prominent stars connected by lines. She said she was told that the stars connected by solid lines formed trade routes, where dashed lines were less traveled to stars. Right, and that's how much she remembers. It's pretty fun. Well, some people have taken that map and tried to figure out what it would be.

It's become its whole big piece of it. I don't go into in too much detail here, because we just don't have the time, and also I didn't fully understand it. Right, so it doesn't match up to any styles, or people are still searching for it, are they? I think it matches up to some styles, or people have matched it to them, but I don't know enough about it, but a part of me sort of feels like it's um, confirmation bias, you know, sort of like it's, I'm making it fit in with what I want the answer to be. So you're being like, molder, but don't worry, that's the way to do it Jess,

just make it up to how you want it to be and then it'll be right. Yeah, great. So after seeking the help. What I'm trying to establish Jess is, is this a forest-fenced type situation and in three weeks someone will solve this mystery and find the stars and confirm it 100%. Why don't we do a podcast on it? I don't think so because people pretty much already have. Oh. So it's already being done. Well, they'll do it again.

Yeah. In three weeks. They'll do it again and they they do it again. Yeah. In three weeks. They'll do it again and they'll do it even more confidently. So after they sought help of hypnosis, Betty and Barney felt better and they were able to go on with their lives. You know, it wasn't causing them as much anxiety and stress anymore. They talked about their experience with family and friends, but they never really sought

out attention from the media. You know, they didn't want, and I suppose it would be such a hard thing to talk about because No one would believe you you know, it would be The worst But yeah, they they talk about it with people, but they're not like really going out of their way to tell their story But then in 1965 they gained some attention internationally after a reporter named John H. LaTrell wrote the front page story in the Boston Traveler titled UFO Chiller. Did they seize couple? That's a good. Apparently, he'd found recordings of conversations that they'd had with that

nightcap group and they think he'd even found like, or got copies of some of their sessions with the, with the psychiatrist, like stuff that he should not have been able to get his hands up. Right. And he's written this article and then it's just sort of the stories blown up. The following year in 1966, it's going to have a drink here. You know, that's a fun fact about that year. The Marty St. Kilda Football Club won their one and only VFL AFL Pramyship that year. After, he's actually a little bit of fact,

after losing the Grand Final in 65. But they did have the Brown Lo Medellis in both 65 and 66. And who kicked a wobbly punt? Is that something? There you go. Oh, Barry Breen kicked a wobbly punt, Is that something? Hey, go. Oh, Barry Breen kicked a wobbly punt, that famous wobbly punt to win. Because we won by that solitary wobbly punt.

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Potential savings will vary. Discount's not available in all safe and situations. FASCINATING FASCINATING. So yeah, that same year, 1966, writer John G. Fuller spoke to Betty and Barney and got them to cooperate with him in writing the interrupted journey. The book was a quick success and gained this story a lot of attention. We have a picture of them holding this book, the interrupted journey. There they are. Betty looking thrilled.

That was serious. Obviously. And is that Barney stopped once? Was he still wearing it all this years later? Maybe he replaced it, who knows. Yeah, that's there. That is same stopped cock. We got me, that's it. Just out of shop. Still right twice a day. Here he is showing a picture of the flying saucer to their dog. Oh, cool. The only one who listen. That's right. Every night he does a dog lecture. He has to hold treats behind the easel so the dog will actually look.

But poor dog. You know. Is it possible that they were drug were drug to somehow like by the government? Um, I haven't got a theory here, but the company would help me. Yeah, he'd not, he'd not, he'd not, he'd not, would say something like, yeah, well, they'll, oh, no, what would Scully say? How would Scully explain all this away, Dave? Uh, clearly they were having some sort of episode where they joined up them in, in the same psychosis and they've come

to and now he's heard her tell her dream story and now he thinks oh that happened to me too so that's why it correlates and then Molder's like Nath's aliens and then he's right. Nath's aliens. So yeah that book the Inter The Interrupted Journey, was a big success. It was a hit, so their story was quite well known now. Now obviously there are many people who don't believe the Hill story. What? And there have been many theories as to what actually happened to that night. One of the early theories that psychiatrists suggested was that the supposed abduction was

a hallucination brought on by the stress of being an interracial couple in the early 1960s in the United States. Oh my God. She's baffling. Yeah, okay. And Betty was told that and she was like, Scully probably wouldn't say that. Yeah.

I've got to say, I've got to say, even she wouldn't say that. Yeah. Even Scully wouldn't say that. Betty discounted this suggestion, noting her relationship with Barney was very happy, and their interracial marriage caused no problems with their friends or family. So, don't think it was that. As noted, also in the book, the interrupted journey, Simon, the psychiatrist, thought that the Hill's marital status had nothing to do

with the UFO encounter. But it's fun to just jump to that sort of conclusion, isn't it? Yes. There's been a few other kind of theories. There's a skeptic blogger named Brian Dunning. He noted that the hypnosis sessions occurred over two years after the reported abductions, which afforded a couple plenty of time

to discuss their encounter, you know, come up with a story. But I mean, they told the story within a couple of days. So I'm not sure, but yeah, I get that. I get that, but it's also the book deal, or like if you could, like why would they collaborate on the idea, you might say, oh, they wanted to sell this book or whatever, but that was years later and someone else's idea it sounds like. So it doesn't sound like they were doing it

to gain recognition. You said they actively didn't seek out media, so they're not, they weren't trying to put themselves on the map or anything. No, exactly right. And the book was written by someone else who approached them and said, I'm going to write this book, do I have your cooperation? And they didn't write it with him. He wrote it and just interviewed them. You know, I'm sure they would have hopefully gotten some sort of profits from the book

because it seemed to be successful, but it wasn't their idea. I'm not sure why I'm defending them. I don't fully believe what happened, but also they seem nice enough. LAUGHTER Mm. Um... In an article written in 1990, Martin Kottmeyer suggested that Bione's memories revealed under hypnosis might have been influenced by an episode

of the science fiction television show The Outer Limits, which was broadcast about two weeks before Byron's first hypnotic session. Oh, God. Right. So he's like, there's a lot of plot points that are similar here. Betty says she had never heard of that show. So it's quite unlikely that that's the case, but people were like, oh, he's like, there's a few things that line up. And then the funds was there. And we were hanging out at Alzheimer's and it was really fun. And then wee's are played. Surely, surely the outer limits didn't just make it up out of thin air. They were probably based their episode

on previous reports, right? So that doesn't, you know, if you know what I mean? Mm. I guess so, but I mean, this is kind of widely referred to as the first reporting of an alien abduction. Right. But it only truly is.

Oh, not just in America, anywhere. Oh, yeah, you're right. It was specifically in the US, but surely things had happened before the 60s. Surely it wasn't just the 60s. I mean, this is something we could probably quickly Google, but I refused to. I think I think sometimes on the X file, I would have molded refers to, like stories from, you stories from Native American people and things like that and points to images of drawings. Obviously, this is probably made up for the show to be honest, now I'm thinking about

it, but there's often depictions, cave art and things on that show anyway where they're like, this could be interpreted as an alien species visiting hundreds or thousands of years earlier but I don't know that's true. I think a lot of that stuff on the x-files is based on on truth based on at least based on real stories I believe the truth is out there. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da I'm going to remiss for copyright issues. So this part might, I don't know, sway you a little bit. So a columnist named Robert Schaeffer wrote in the skeptical inquire, that's a fun, fun sounding publication, says, I was present at the National UFO Conference in New York City in 1980, which Betty presented

some of the UFO photos she'd taken. She showed what must have been well over 200 slides, mostly of blips, blurs, and blobs against a dark background. These were supposed to be UFOs coming in close, chasing a car, landing, etc. After a talk had exceeded about twice, it's a lot of time. Betty was literally a jeet off the stage by what twice, it's a lot of time. Betty was literally jeered off the stage by what had at first been a very sympathetic audience. Oh, no. Oh, that's tough. She's used to talking to a dog or Betty. Yeah. Now she's talking to

people who are also really into UFOs and they're not as into it. This incident witnessed by many of the UFOs, leaders and top activists, removed any lingering doubt about Betty's credibility. She had none. And later in like 95, she wrote a self-published book called A Common Sense Approach to UFOs. This is still Robert Schaefer writing by the way. He says, it's filled with obviously delusional stories, such as seeing entire squadrons of UFOs in flight and a truck levitating above the freeway. He also later wrote that as late as 1977,

Betty Hill would go on UFO visuals at least three times a week. During one evening, she was joined by UFO enthusiasts, John Oswald, when asked about Betty's continuing UFO observations, Oswald stated, she's not really seeing UFOs, but she's calling them that. On the night they went out together, he said, Mrs. Hill was unable to distinguish between a landing UFO and a street light. Oh, no.

That's, uh... We're dying right now to tell the difference. Yeah, that's getting pretty rough. How old is she at this point? Maybe she's just past their best days at seeing UFOs. Maybe it's the kind of, maybe it's a young man's game. All women's? Yeah.

Young women's game, you need those young eyes. But, uh, sadly all good things must come to an end. Barney died of a cerebral hemorrhage in February of 1969, at the age of 46. So not that long after. Oh, shit. Or this had happened. He died fairly young, yeah. Betty Hill died of cancer, unfortunately, in 2004 at age 85 having never remarried

after Barney had passed away. So in a way we may never really know what happened to that fateful night in September of 1961 but the truth is out there. I do have a couple of fun facts though. Is it about the first time? So, certainly no. There was a 1975 TV film called the UFO incident and portraying Barney Hill was James Earl Jones. Oh, great. Mufasa. I am your father, Luke. Oi, Luke, I'm your daddy.

Oi, that's him. I'm your daddy. And there was also another little fun fact here. Last year in 2019, the Hill story was talked about on the Joe Rogan experience with guest Dan Acroid, an expert in the field, I assume. He is. Dan Acroid's a huge uophologist. His dad has as well.

Big alien man. So, there you go. But yeah, that brings me to the end of the report. And now that we've got all of the information, what do you reckon happened? Well, I think what happened here is the UFO community with jealous that they never had a cool story like Betty did. And that's why they did it off the stage because they were bitter losers. Don't get bitter, get Betty,

that's what I say. That's beautiful. What's your theory though Jess? Well I mean something must have happened, hey, I'm not sure what, so I'm just going to say that it probably happened. Dave, what are you reckon? I want to believe. I reckon that it must have happened, right? Yeah. I also was saying something happened. Something happened.

And then maybe she was chasing that dream and nothing else happened since she maybe lost it a bit, maybe it broke her. Something's happened there. And I think it was the US government allegedly drugging them Yeah, I think you're right ultra I Think you're right on something there like I think she Sort of was chasing More information on what had happened to it, you know like she was she became really interested in UFOs Maybe even a little bit obsessive about them because she wanted

She wanted to understand more what she believed had happened. That's what I reckon. Something happened to them, but it's unclear what. Maybe something in the water. LSD, LSD in the water. Yeah, certain kind of mold got into their water. I mean, that actually has happened on the ex files.

Yeah. But yeah, so that brings us to the end of the actual report. So just do you mind if I just quickly interrupt you, just for a brief moment. Please. I just want to tell you that this episode is brought to you and the good people at home by ExpressVPN. Ah yes, of course, ExpressVPN, which lets you access the internet. As if you're in a different country, it's like traveling, which we can't do at the moment.

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Thank you. And I'm saying that because I believe it. You nailed that. Are you stalling because you're trying to find the fact to quote a question? Because I thought, you know what? last week was the celebration of 250, but just bought the party here today. So firstly, we like to go through people's fact quotes and questions.

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about the movies of the genius actor Brendan Fraser, the man of a thousand faces. And we also do one extra one which is on their quiz or some other fun idea that we've come up with. We haven't recorded that one yet. I can't wait to find out what Dave's got for us this month. I'm going to put that up for end of the fact quote a question, which I believe has a jingle. Fact quote a question. Hey, remember the ding, always remembers the ding.

And the way this works is, one of those people on the Sydney Shamburg Doxmoral level will give us fact quote a question. I'll also give us a title for themselves. And this week to kick us off, Jessica English, who's given herself the title of Chief Inspiration Officer. Oh, love that. I feel inspired.

I do too. I love that very much. And I also love a question, which I've read. It's very quick. What are your ideal napping conditions? Ah, okay. So normally, I quite like it when you just sort of dose off on the couch. That's really nice. But when I work overnight, I like to fully go to bed. I get into my PJs, this will be like either in the afternoon before or like after dinner, get into my PJs, take the brayer off, get into bed, lights off, little mask on, you know, just fully convince my body that we're having a proper sleep, even though we're absolutely

not. That's a good nap. That's a good nap. That's like a, just a shrunk down sleep. Yeah. Which is what I'm going to call a nap. I've got I think two rules and two rules alone. Rule number one, it shouldn't be more than about 90 minutes. Otherwise, you will wake up. Groggie is fuck and that's no longer a nap. That's full sleep. Once you're in for a bit, 90 minutes, you're going to go to sleep right through.

And rule number two is you can't go to full sleep during the day and wake up when it's now dark because it's really confusing and your body freaks out. So you get to go to full sleep during the day and wake up during the day. I think that's a good rule. I do not abide by it though. No.

I normally don't set a timer on you. I just, I'll nap as long as my body needs to nap. And I'm more like Jess, I'll go to bed and yeah, just try and sleep. Normally I'll be trying to catch the wave, right? I'm feeling tired. Maybe I'll listen to a podcast or something and just drift off. Love it. I love a nap real, real good and real bad.

Yeah. Love it. Great question Jessica. If you're falling asleep in the day, sometimes it just happens, you're just lying on the couch watching TV and just dose off and you wake up and it's dark because you fall in asleep at like 4.30 p.m. You know, you wake up and it's dark and you're just lying on the couch watching TV and just dose off and you wake up and it's dark because you fall asleep at like 4.30 p.m. you know you wake up and it's dark and you're like

what year is it? Is my family dead? Like you don't know what's going on. Yeah have I been cryogenically frozen? That's a question. I don't know. My answer was as thorough as you're too, but I really enjoyed the, to hear about your structures. I love Dave how he has rules for nearly everything. So thanks for getting us to that Jessica English, the Chief Inspiration Officer. The next one comes from Zach Luel and Zach with an A at the end, so maybe Zachy or Zash, Zash, Zasha. Zasha. Zasha. The junior vice chancellor in charge of

distribution of grindage and weasen. Weasen. Weasen the duels. A wonder. Grindage. Thanks, Zach. Zashy. a wonder. The Green Dedge. Thanks, Zach. Zach, also has a question, and it is, scar or scat. Can we get a final ruling on which is which? Scat versus scar versus scat. Now, just a pretty sure of what it is. No idea what scat is.

Okay, well Dave was in a scar band, so you've got some expertise in this area. Yep, that's right. The wheeze? Was it the wheeze hornet? Oh, wheeze hornet. Basically, if you want to know what scars you've got to go back and listen to weed hornet, okay. For example, songs like criminal, never knew who cares, was one of our hits. That sounds so scar. Okay.

Can I do a little snippet of one of your scar songs? Please, please do it. My favorite is criminal, and it goes a little something like this. Dumbitibababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababababab Yeah, that's really good. That's the scap bit in the scar song. Is that right Jess? No, that's the scar music. That's the scar music. That's what it is. She's doing scar in the scar song. Oh, okay, sorry. But, I don't really know.

You're scarring. I also don't really know that. Do we have that in Australia, Scott? I don't think Scats are thing. I think Zach's very confused there. This is borderline main, because you know people don't understand what you're doing just anyway.

So many people so confused. Alright so I think that's a great, do you want to, no I think Jess is best to leave it as it is, in the imagination. Let the joke lie, I'm not going to explain. Next one comes from Hillary McKay. Thank you so much, Zach. The next one comes from Hillary McKay, whose title is Queen of the Mile people, which I wonder if that's not a typo for mole people. Then maybe there's somewhere, she's the queen of people who are a mile tall

Whoa or a mile deep Whoa like my like skulls Could it be Hillary McCayla of it either way that's fantastic. Hillary's also asked the question And the question is where did Bob come from the nickname? But also the enigma that is Jess Popperkins? Where does she get all her funny? Well, the nickname came from a very early episode.

Um, which episode was it? It was episode 10, the big Bobber. Oh, shit! Yeah it was, because yeah, we mentioned the big Bobber, whose name was JP Richardson. Um, and my initials, a JP. So from there, we extrapolated Bopper, which then in classic Australian fashion, we shortened to Bop.

And here we are a hundred and 240 episodes later. Still doing it. Nearly five years. I did nothing that that was going to really take off. But I... Do you remember? We shouldn't have condensed the story so short really we should have saved this for a full episode When we went to we were going to the UK last year I was buying a couple of things online that I needed and I was five dollars away from free delivery So I was like all right, let's look at some, what did I got cheap?

And they had silk eye masks that you could personalize for five dollars. So I got one and it says, Bob on it. I have that in my house now. So that's fun. It's a little fun fact, I guess. It's really made of Mark on you.

Yeah. I'm gonna get you to tattoo Bob on yourselves. It'd be weird if I did it obviously, but it but be flattering if you did it. Can we get a professional tattoo that we have to tattoo it ourselves? I'll do it. Okay. Okay. Oh my. You can brand me.

And the second part of that question, Jess, where do you get all your funny? When do you get your ideas? Where do I get all your funny? What do you get your ideas? Where do I get my funny? Have you always been funny? Yes! Of course I have! I don't know, genetics. My parents are pretty funny.

My brother's very funny. Funny James. You know, when you grow up a kind of weird kid, you just have to develop a sense of humor. When you have teeth as messed up as mind were, you develop a thick skin and a sense of humor. Now, I've got fantastic teeth. Wow, win, win.

Oh no. So teeth is the answer. Yeah, good. You want to have teeth is the answer. Yeah, good. You want to have funny kids? Just mess up their teeth. Yeah, don't see an orthodontist in a timely manner. Actually, we win. I had braces when I was 11.

Of course you see. That's young. Affluent, east, anybody. Yep. All right, well that answers your question there. Hillary, fantastic question. Well asked, well that answers your question there Hillary fantastic question well asked well answered and finally Thomas doppelrider Thomas also known as official quiz master of the doodong patreon Facebook group you get upgrade that now Thomas to the

official quiz master of the doodong patreon bonus episodes as well because we did an episode master of the Dugorn Patreon bonus episodes as well because we did an episode that was written by Thomas last month and it was fantastic. Listen along, be frustrated with the question we didn't get. And Thomas has also asked a question, his question is, if you could be a movie character for one day, who would you like to be? For example, Indiana, I like how it's listed examples of movie characters. For example, Indiana Jones, Darth Vader, the shark from Jaws. Fantastic use of the rules right there. I was my first answer. First thing that came to mind would be Captain Marvel. But also, then I'd have to fight bad guys. A lot of pressure.

I'd like it in during peacetime, you know? I'd love a day is Captain Marvel during peacetime, so I could just kind of fuck around with their powers for a bit. That'll be cool. Wasn't one of our storylines that when it was peacetime on Earth, she was off fixing up trouble in other galaxies and stuff? Yes, I would be on earth during earth peace time. But you need peace time not only on earth but in all the galaxies. I need into galactic peace. Okay, well maybe somewhere far away can be having some issues but she's on a well-earned holiday. Yeah, you want to just get to step in for a day. You want to read that on VAKA or doing just someearned holiday. Yeah, you want to just get to step in for a day. You want to either on VK or doing just some admin

around the house. Yeah, surely she has to do admin, right? Right. Just hang out, have a bath, but with superpowers. You could like heat the water yourself or something. Yes! The bath would never go cold. Oh, these are the big bonuses that you don't hear about.

That's my answer. these are the big bonuses that you don't hear about. That's my answer. Let you guys. I would wanna be Arnold Schwarzenegger's T1000 from Terminator 2, so be a good Terminator, but be able to just like take any injury and like basically you'll be shut out and be a robot or whatever, and also have super strength and also just look super cool and ride around on a chopper and just be like, super sick.

That's my... Just be like, super sick. Yeah. I don't... I can't think of an answer here. Can you go something out? Well, what are your favorite movies? Someone from within the eye. I was thinking... yeah, I was thinking about my favorite movies are all pretty grim.

You got with Alan I. I don't think anyone would want to choose to be either of them. What about Brendan Fraser as Rico Connell in The Mummy? God. I'd be pretty good. Just to have the hair, you know, you look so cool. And I like traveling and exploring and stuff, but I don't really like,

because that's back in the old days, and I like modern medicine. Okay. It's one day, you're anticipating business. Oh, it's one day, so it's only one day. It's all that. It is for one day, okay. It's not one long.

And you're anticipating I'll have a cold. No, I can't. I'll get consumption. Oh, no. Okay, no, for one one day I could handle that. What about Cesar, the ape from? Yeah. Rebooted plenty of the apes.

That's a good one. I should have chosen a male character because then I could have peed standing up. Oh, I should have chosen a female character so I could have peed sitting down. I refuse to do it. Yeah, all right, good question, Thomas. I'm going to be thinking about that later and regretting that I didn't say something else, but a little insight into my personality.

All right, now the other thing we like to do is think a few of our other patrons. And Jess, you normally come up with a little game, something relating to the episode topic that we just did. Do you have one for today? I was just thinking, what kind of creature would abduct them? Okay. Right. Love that. So rather than hairy, gray aliens, like it was today, what kind of creature?

Well, if I could kick it off if you, okay, with that. Yeah. I would love to thank from Essex in the United States in VT, which is probably Vermont or I can say. Oh, the best state there is. I'd love to thank Zach Briggs. There is. I'd love to thank Zach Briggs. Zach Briggs. Zachary Briggs is abducted by circus bears. Whoa. There's one bear that leader is on a little unicycle.

That's why. But they're very friendly bears because they've known how it feels to be trapped in the circus. So they're very friendly to Zach. That's nice. But they take him in and they teach him how to ride trapped in the circus. So they're very friendly to Zach, but they take him in and they teach him how to ride a unicycle. Oh, friendly circus bears. So they are escaped circus bears. Yes.

Now they're living their life on the land. Yeah. What does it on the land mean? Anyone know? On the run. On the run. It was great. They're on the land.

Fantastic. Oh, that's a real good one. I wonder what Zachary's experience of creamy Anyone on the run on the run it was great. They're on the way Fantastic, oh, that's a real good one. I wonder what Zachary's a experience of creamies is Perfect in fact He's a god of us he might be Actually, this makes total sense. There was a Zachary from Vermont that sent me a Vermont shirt with creamies on it so Imagine I reckon that could be him. That's got to be him. Zachary's great. Thank you so much by the way. Hi, I live for creamy. I live for creamy. That's fun. Thank you so much. It all makes sense.

Well, I'd love to thank, if I may, also from America, but this time from Brumfield in CO, which is either Colorado or Connecticut, I reckon Colorado. I think it's Colorado. Because you reckon Connecticut would be CN and California is CAA, maybe. So I'm gonna say, from Brumfield, Colorado, it's Reese Smith.

Reese Smith. Oh! From Brunfield Colorado, it's Reese Smith. Reese Smith. Oh. Reese Smith has been abducted by giant wasps. Whoa. Are they friendly? Barry. Almost too friendly.

Oh, they're like, they're really fuss over it. Yeah, like they're pampering him and he's like, can I just have five minutes alone? They're like, oh, oh, yes, sir, can I get you get you? Of course. Yes, of course. Can we leave you? Can we give you do you want to drink? We're gonna say good and he says like just leave me alone, please let me peace standing up Yeah, I get it. That's good. If I could peace standing up, I would. Oh, yeah enjoy it Who did you pick? I reckon Captain Marvel could probably she she'd have the power to piece any up surely. She can do anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I could. Yeah. But is that maybe that's how she keeps the bath water warm. Oh, days. That's funny.

That's a funny one day. Well, thanks everyone. And for my final shout out this week I'd love to think well she hasn't got an address down and I know she's a woman of the world because she's from America but living in Thailand at different times I'm not sure where you are right now but I'd love to thank Linda Moulton thanks Linda Linda has Linda has been, Dave, I'll set you up. Linda has been abducted by tiny little chicken nuggets. Whoa. But like really little ones. Like so small, like tiny.

Oh, cute. Little nuggets. Like so small, like tiny ones. Oh, cute. Little nuggets. Like popcorn chicken, kind of small. Basically popcorn chicken, but we don't, we want to avoid copyright. So we're just calling them little chicken nuggets. Yeah, right. Mini nugs.

Mini nugs. Nug-oogs. How did they abduct her? Have they, are they sentient beans? Yeah, that becomes, well, they've been sentient this whole time and we just didn't realize. What? But the, that becomes well, they've been sentient this whole time and we just didn't realize But waitie what that sounds like remember those future armor little guys that they were little popping things that everyone thought were delicious And it turned out I don't remember that but I've made

So many here's all that idea for sure. Oh, I do remember that it was very upsetting If people ever asked me from now on why I don't eat meat, that's going to be my answer. That was probably quite traumatic to watch. Because Dave told me. No, because I do remember that. No, yeah, that's what it was. So abducted by a little tiny chicken nuggets. And that where I landed if you want to get escaped, Just eat you out of freedom, you'll be right.

You'll be right. It's so small. That'd be delicious. May I please thank some people as well? That would be so nice if you could. I would love to thank from Kinga Roy in Queensland. Samantha Russell.

Oh, Samantha Russell. Sammy Russell. Sammy Russell. And Matt, what's Sam being abducted by? Oh, Samantha Russell. Sammy Russell. Sammy Russell. And Matt, what's Sam being abducted by? Uh, abducted by... ...sentient cricket bats. What?

What? What? How many of them? Oh, there was a whole bag full of six. No, why? Six. Six. Six bats. Whoa!

Are they friendly? Uh, well, it depends on which one. You know, they're not all the same. Of course, yeah. I suppose that's the right, yeah. Matt, that's actually pretty, yeah, or all cricket bats have the same sort of temperament. It's actually a bit off there, Jess. Matt, do you remember when you misremembered the name of that cricket brand?

Yeah, and then it turned out to be the right brand. Someone messaged me later, I think, a very confusing, wow, circumstances. It was SS, Stuart Surridge. And then I looked it up and it was, it named something else, very confusing. But apparently I was right in the end somehow. Well, it's all that matters. Thanks for taking us back to the great memory.

Well, I hope that we would remember the exact, it's all that matters. Thanks for taking us back to that great memory. Well, great memory. I hope that we would remember the exact, yeah, everything that you thought it was and then what it was, but it wasn't meant to be. It wasn't meant to be. Thanks, Sammy Ross. Thanks, Sam. Thanks, Sam. Thanks, Sam.

Hasn't that been captured forever on a previous podcast? Yeah. Go search it out. It was a great man in my life. I would also love to thank from Ottawa in Canada, Erica Parody. Oh, well done on the pronunciation there too, Jess. Well, Erica put it in there for us, which I love. No, she actually messes me.

I put it in there. Oh, thank you. She messaged me hearing, I'd put you to a pronunciation on primates or something. She's, and she told me, I'm like, oh, I can know to that. Yeah, good one, good job. Because I mean, it's not, phonetically, that is not how you pronounce it, but I love it.

Parity, so you're... Parity. And Dave, Erica, is abducted by... Nick Cave in the bad seeds. Whoa! So that'll be a bit of fun, go on tour with him. Dave Erica is abducted by Nick Cave in the bad seeds. Whoa. So that'll be a bit of fun going to it with him. That's great. So she's, I mean, they do have a real rotating membership

in the bad seeds. No original bad seeds still are in the band, or anything. Right. They need a new bass player. They're like, this kid's got it. Let's get it. Yeah. Wow.

Congratulations. There we go. You want to play music live. I mean, sometimes you just got talent and you just really got to play to your strengths, even if Nick Caves forcing you to. That's a good one. That's a real good one. Thank you, Erica. Also I'd love to thank from Warrenton VA.

What's VA? That's Virginia. Oh, Virginia. That's Virginia. Oh, Virginia. Virginia. Taylor H Edgar. Ooh. And that's a, we've had, on this episode, you even noted just how many initials we had.

Love it. Love it. I feel like people don't do that as much anymore. No. And I think it often happens with people who need to sign up to actors will often happen because they can't double up on names. Yeah. And murderers they often give the middle name because they don't want to ruin that name for everyone.

Ah, that's interesting. Yeah. So, are you saying Taylor might be a murderer? Or an actor. Or trying to distance themselves from a murderer. I call Taylor Edgar. Oh, that's true. Taylor Edgar is already a great name,

so really used to dub even further. Taylor H is great as well. Taylor, of course, is abducted by a collection of confetti cannons. Oh, whoa. About 100 of them. That's like quite a community. They're like aimed at her, or they're, I should say, whoa, about a hundred of them. It's like quite a community. They're like aimed at her or them, I should say.

I'm not sure about Taylor. Are they aimed at them? And Taylor's like, well, I better go with these people. Are they going to shoot me with a confetti? Yes, but then eventually after a little bit, it was just like a communication breakdown. Once they sort of realized Taylor's friendly, they're friendly, then it's just a nice community that she's welcomed into, that they're welcomed into.

So that's nice. Very nice. Dad, do you want to bring her? I like the initials as well, T-A-G, the. The. Oh, that's good. Yeah, I like that. All right, I got a couple of beautiful names that I want to get through here. This is two for the price of one here. I would like to thank I got a couple of beautiful names that I want to get through here. And this is two for the price of one here. I would like to thank from McKinney in Texas. We've got Joseph and Alicia Moore. Oh.

A power couple. Oh yeah. Well, it's gonna have to be quite a powerful being to abduct both. Any guesses there, Jess? Maybe do you think it could be the whole crew of McDonald's monsters? Ronald, grimace, birdie, hamburger, chief McNuggets or whatever. Mammic cheese. Yes.

And what's the moon one? Bert Newton. If there was the McDonald's like midnight, Do you know what I'm talking about? The singing smooth jazz moon. Oh, I mean, they're all very scary. Yeah. Do I still exist? They've dropped them, ever they?

Maybe you'll, maybe you see Ronald a little bit, but you don't really get much of Grimus anymore. Right. Grimus was my favorite. Sadly. I loved, I don't know what Grimus was. Grimus is my favorite as a kid, but I loved Grimus. Grimus. Yeah. I don't know what grimace was. I love it as a kid. I love it as a kid. I love it as a kid.

I don't know what grimace is. Why did they have the hamburger glove? Showing people how to steal their own product? He's already had it. So thank you, Joseph and Alicia. I'd like to thank now from Watt grow very Australian sounding in New South Wales. Jess Wooten. Jess Wooten.

What a great name that is. Fantastic, yeah. I love that. I love everything about that. Well done, Jess. Jess was abducted by a rainbow. Oh, what? That sounds fun.

Yep. Rainbow came on down, took a dress up. What that sounds fine. Yep Rainbow came on down Took a dress up. He came on Did she get the pot of gold at least yes? Oh? That's good. We're the left record involved. Jess is mega wealthy now. Wow Magic pot of gold you don't hear enough good abduction stories, you know? Abduction's get a bad name. I would finally like to thank from Clarksville in Maryland. Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station.

It's a very monkeys episode today. Wait, no. Was that off-pot or on-pot when someone said something about the monkeys? Don't know. I think it was off-pot or on-pot when someone said something about the monkeys? Don't know. I think it was off-pot. They may have been part of the live stream. So, if you want to unlock that joke, head to SOS, present some. Look at Dave, he's so good. He's a businessman. Oh, yeah, for sure. He wears business shoes. I would like to thank Natalie M. Greenley. Natalie M. Greenley. Love, M. Greenlee. Love the amount of syllables you've squeezed into that amount of letters.

And that's gonna be, was abducted by the Energizer Bunny. Oh. Well, I always say you can just go on top of the cup of top, but yeah, in this case, has been done. Is that a, is that a, is that a, is that a, um, an ad, uh, catchphrase that you guys recall?

Just got the cup of top. I don't remember that one, but I never heard that in my life. I really hope that never want to again. I wonder if, I hope in Maryland that they get the energizer bunny. So Natalie knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's a bunny. It's bunny, it's a bunny that keeps going because it's got a certain brand of batteries in it.

Jeez, we're showing us acceptable we are to advertising today. Yeah. But we also think that how threatened we feel by them, we feel like they could abduct us at any moment. Yeah, they're all evil. They could and they will. So I believe that brings us to the only thing left to do, and that is to see if anyone's going

to be inducted into the Triptitch Club this week, Matt. That's right. So let's have a buddy. Look, Dave John, explain what it is. Well, I check the door list. Sure thing. So people that have supported the show at the shoutout level are above for three consecutive years, 36 straight months. To say thank you again, because we've already given you a shoutout once. To say thank you again, we've actually inducting these people as life members into the Triptitch Club, which is sort of a very exclusive lounge slash bar, slash restaurant, slash hangout space.

We're going to hang out with like-minded people that support the show and Patreon, and enjoy some hors d'oeuvres that change change every week and also see some live music. And Jess, what's on the menu this week? This week, you may remember the classic children's party staple frog in a pond. What we have this week, a little chocolate aliens in ponds of jelly. I love jelly so much. Jelly's so good. I love, I still love it.

So I suppose you don't have to chew it, which is one thing I love with my swelling difficulties, I just end the day, oh, can I get jelly in quarantine? Is that allowed? What's your favorite jelly flavor? I tell you who I feel jelly of people with jelly. You don't know. Because I think often it's not even vegetarian.

I haven't had it in years, jelly. Does it taste as good as you remember it as a kid? Absolutely. And it still holds up. And I love that. And in the energy question, does I think you ask favorite flavor? Raspberry jelly.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, raspberry is good. Port wine is good. Oh, yeah, port wine. Strawberries nice. What about green? What flavor is green jelly? Do you like wine? Because you'd often see the ponds.

Yeah, the ponds were green or blue. Hmm. And I actually hated frong and a ponds because it made the chocolate a weird texture. Yeah, it did ruin the chocolate a bit, the freddo. So these are fun concepts. These are alien- For those. What, what feeling would you have?

You go on like caramelic koala, you go on mint soft strawberry- Mint to the green inside. Oh, that's good. That's a good thing. Like I imagined aliens are. That's great. All right, so we're ready to induct a few.

Oh, well, performing live this week, it is the music of Alien and Farm. Ha ha ha ha. Performing all their hits, for example, Smooth Criminal and others. Oh wow. All right Dave, you ready to hype some new names into the club?

Oh, yes. Lift that velvet rope, we're bringing them in. Here we go. How many of we got today? We have four inducted. Oh, see what I can do. Here we go. From Phoenix, Arizona, it's James Duquette. Oh, Duquette, like a Phoenix rising from the ashes straight into the club. From Peru, you're Wellington, New Zealand. It's Mike

Shirley. Oh, Shirley, you can't be serious. Yes he is. From Cambourne in England. It's dumb Beneter. Oh this night is this gotten a little Beneter. Would you agree? What's hopefully dumb can hit us with his best shot and finally from Lewisville Kentucky in the United States. It's Drew Johnson. Oh I just drew not the short straw, but the long straw with you arriving, my friend. Long Johnson, eh? Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

How'd I go? Ah, it's pretty good. I mean, I think how good you go is equal to how bad you are. How bad you are. Absolutely right. It's a confusing system. You are right, you're right. But I think you were both great and awful there. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. And

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So far the first three 2019 and 18 have been Huey Lewis and the News of Sports, Joan Jet and the Black Hearts as I love rock and roll and Midnight Oils, These on Dust. Actually and this week's episode will have already come out, Van Hayland's 1984. So, it's like every, it's funny. I think of the 80s rock scene as being kind of myopic. If I'm using that word right, I don't know if I am. I'm not. I mean, one thing. What's the word I'm trying to say there, Jess? I don't know. It doesn't matter. But it's, it's funny. Every album that's come up so far has been entirely different from the others.

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