Two In The Think Tank - 255 - The Transy Book Heist

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

On the 17th of December, 2004, Transylvania University librarian Betty Jean Gooch was waiting for her meeting with a man named Walter Beckman - within hours, a crime was committed that is now listed among the F.B.I.’s all-time most significant art-theft cases... it was also one of the most bungled. Listen to hear what went down!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuh Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/02/transy-book-heisthttps://web.archive.org/web/20110210225111/http://transy.edu/about/name.htmhttps://people.com/movies/true-story-behind-american-animals/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Animalshttps://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article212180224.html

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My name is Dave Warnocky and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. We're here! Oh, hello. I genuinely just stop for a second and be like, oh no, this is where I meant to talk. Wow, I can't believe that it's going to be the record of me fucking this show up. Do you think? Time wise. Seven seconds in. It's going to be good. Do you think? Time wise. Seven seconds in.

I forgot how to do a podcast. He's that good. Well, luckily, Matt, you're in charge today of the report. So it's not like you'll have to have too much input on this episode. Okay, great. Can I have a time out at any time, if you want? All right. Well, I think I've already used that token up. I really want to just get straight into it because it's a long-ish one. You guys up for just kicking in, cracking on, rolling up the sleeves. What's good stocking? Good stocking. How does this show work again, Jess? Well, how this show works is that one of us, and this three of us, we take it in turns to research a topic, and we read lots of articles about it, and we watch documentaries,

and we write a little report about it. We bring it back to the other two who respectfully listen the entire time. Oh, that's the best thing. It's Matt's turn for us to respectfully listen to him and not interrupt or make any silly jokes, and we usually get on to topic with a question, Matt. We do. I think people, if there's one thing people chin in for, it's the respect.

Yes, absolutely. And the friendship. Yes. The respectful friendship. Yeah, we're so respectfully friendly. Hmm. So the question this week, the address on the topic, is, where is Transylvania University located? Okay, this feels like a trick question. Transylvania, I believe, is in the place,

is now Romania. That's true. So they have a university there, and this is, in fact, a double trick question. I'm gonna say Pennsylvania. Oh, Jess is closer. It's Lexington pencilvania. Oh, Jess is closer. It's Lexington Kentucky. We would have got there eventually.

I don't think I would. So this is from the university website. It explains not that Transylvania. Good. This is a good start. I love this already. It says, our Transylvania is a friendly top notch, liberal arts college located in Kentucky's beautiful bluegrass region.

Not the region that many people associate with dark castles and legends of vampires in Romania. Even so, we have fun with our name. That mascot is definitely some sort of Dracula isn't it? I haven't looked that up. Hi, I hope so. It's just a drop of blood. It's a little blood droplet. I want to suck your blood. Now, just kidding, coming and study science with us. We'll teach you how to take blood. Apparently, Transylvania is a Latin word meaning across the woods. The heavily forested territory of Western Virginia that became Kentucky in 1792 was originally

called Transylvania. And it became our name when the college was founded in 1780, which is, I believe, Dave, you're a book man. That's a well before Dracula and Transylvania was written by Bram Stoker. Oh yeah that would be before how it 100 years wow. Yeah I think that's about right 100-ish years so they're like yeah I imagine maybe they wouldn't have picked it otherwise. And finally it says our nickname is transy which reflects the congenial spirit of our campus. Okay. Okay.

Don't you think that just really reflects the congenial spirit? Yeah. It does sound congenial. Yeah, big time. Yeah. A word I use often and definitely know what it means. If I could award a university the miscongeniality, ribbon, or whatever, I'd give it to trans-e. Yeah, big time. It's funny, because it's like, that's totally what that university would be called in Australia. You'd call it trans-e-unie, probably.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah, everyone in the world does that. It's something that you hear sometimes Australians talk about it when they're talking to people from overseas. They're like, yeah, we like to shorten words. I'm like, I don't think that's our thing. I think people around like to shorten words. I'm like, I don't think that's our thing.

I think people around the world shorten words. I think we take it too far, but we're not the only ones who shorten things, of course. It's like, any body else in the world named Michael has never been called Mike. Yeah. That's good. They're like, well, you mean? That's interesting. But we do, we do, we go too far, I think.

Think of an example. Servo. That's too far. Armo. Dayno. Yeah. The big story. You know, we put our other things essentially.

Yeah. Well, that's true. Maybe we do more O's and America does more E's. Trans. Trans-y. Yes. Damie. Ah, so. So V. I've got the so V.

Today's episode is about a particular event at the Transylvania University. Okay. The Transylvania or Transy book hast. A book hast. A book hast. I love. A book heist. I love a heist. Dave loves books. I know, wow.

I mean, this is the perfect cross section. The perfect crime. This was suggested by Colin Salvatore Cataldo from Florida in the United States. Santiago, Lopez from Whittier in Canada and Max Edwards from Bristol. In somewhere, I'm not sure where he didn't say, probably England.

Probably, but there could be other Bristol's. There's got to be other Bristol's. Surely. I caught Bristol. Anyway, on the 17th of December 2004 in the library at the Transylvania University in Lexington, Kentucky, librarian Betty Jean Gooch was waiting for her meeting with a man named Walter Beckman. Betty Jean Gooch. Betty Jean Gooch, fantastic man. Betty Jean, fantastic man. Betty Jean, fantastic man.

And would go with nearly any surname, but Gooch is fantastic. Oh yeah. I think she's easily my favorite person in this whole story. Will you refer to her as a BJ Gooch? Ah, yes, that is her nickname. And that does come up shortly. BJ Gooch. And she was meeting who he had a good name too. Walter Beckman. Walter Beckman, love that.

He sounds like a businessman from the 1930s. Oh, I was gonna say he sounds like he's written one of, you know, the Great American Novels or something. Yeah, either the Great American Novel or he makes the Great American Novels or something. Yeah, either the Great American Novel or he makes the Great American Box chocolates. Yeah, Walter Beckman's Boxer chocolates. They were so good with naming ship back then, even though they had all the options. They like to keep it very clear.

What was on the box? That's what they did. And it was chocolates. It was a box of chocolates. Yeah. You know, here we call it, you know, Beckman's chockies or something. Yeah, boxo chockies. Yeah, but you know, that's just what we're like here.

What we like. It's a cultural thing. Yeah, you wouldn't understand. So you might remember Lexington, Tucky from another oddball crime story we did not too long ago. The Andrew Thornton and the cocaine bear episode. Ah, yes. That was also based around this place.

The remember those two guys were the Kentucky, that we've Kentucky shopped. Yes, yes. That's in the area. It's all in the mall. If we ever get around to our US tour, I mean, Lexington's got to be on the map. Probably not for a show, but at least for a stopover.

I think at this point, our US tour is going to take us about a year. 50 weeks. It's 50 weeks. Yeah, 50 stops in every of the 50 states as well. So busy weeks, to be honest, quite busy. We're moving over, OK? Good should never met Beckman previously, spoken to him over the phone, and he set up the

appointment via a Yahoo email address. It was 2004 after all. Love that. Everyone communicated via Yahoo. Good was the guardian of the Transylvania Uni's Special Collections Library. According to the Lexington Herald Leader, the collection sits above the first floor of the library in a glassed-in room that is always locked. It has its own stairway and is not visible from the library floor.

Right, I imagine when he said it's like it's on the first floor in a glass box. I thought it was like a floating room or something. Something that David Blaine might do a trick in. Yeah. I thought it was like a floating room or something. Something that David Blaine might do a trick in. The collection included a folio edition of John James Autobahn's Viver Paris Quadrupeds of North America and a double elephant folio of his birds of America. A book the size of a small table and as heavy as one, too.

Serious rare book collectors would have known the value. In 2000, a double elephant folio was sold at auction for $8.8 million. Holy shit. Is double elephant, is that a size measurement or is it one of the eight? Yes, I think it's a big size measurement. A double, I've just written, yeah, just finished my first double element, got turned it into the publisher last week. I think Warren piece might be a double elephant.

Oh, as a double double elephant. Let me just double check. The double elephant. That's the size. So, you know, A4 goes all the way up to double elephant. It's 678 millimeters by a thousand and sixteen millimeters. So over a meter tall. What?

And you meant to be able to read that? Yeah, well, I mean, it's a book of artwork as well, so it's really, it's just like a strange old school way of displaying art. So it's kind of like, it's a coffee table book that's bigger than your coffee table. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's the size of a big coffee table.

You put legs on it, ready to go. So I felt, then Kramer, come up with that idea on something. The coffee table book. I've coffee tables. And it also is a coffee table. Yeah, brilliant stuff. That is brilliant. That must have been made a reality at some point. So yeah, so 8.8 million. So that's just one of the items in this collection. So, and probably the most expensive one, but everything else is also worth thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. Wow. And this, I don't want that responsibility of being in charge of that. You don't want to be in BJ Gucci's shoes.

God no. Most of the time she had smaller feet than me and it would be very uncomfortable. Ow. She lovingly looked after this collection though and she took people through on tours, students from inside the university, but also outsiders could make appointments like Walter Beckman did. And she'd tour them around and explain everything that's going on. Wow. I've seen interviews with her.

She just seems like a rad lady. When Beckman was setting up the meeting, he had requested to see Ortebun's book, the one that's worth millions, as well as other items, including a first edition of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, which you might know as it is the one that sets out his theory on evolution, which is one of the things he's famous for, I think, Darwin. Do you heard his work on evolution? which is one of the things he's famous for, I think, Darwin. You heard his work on evolution? I've heard it.

Yeah. I've heard his podcast. I'm subscribed, but I just haven't downloaded yet, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got it. It's sort of like, it's one you want for like a road trip, you know? I can't listen while I'm doing something else, but it's perfect for road trips, really keeps you leg.

According to an article in Vanity Fair by John Falk, which I'll refer to a lot in this report, wearing a heavy coat, gloves and a wool cap, Beckman signed a visitor's log. With a long thin face and bleached blonde hair and sideburns, he appeared younger than Gooch had expected. He was also less cordial and more agitated in person, asking Gooch soon after arriving if he could invite a friend along to see the books. She agreed, a few minutes later a short dark-haired young man also dressed in a winter coat, cap and gloves, entered the library. He said his name was John. The two men followed the librarian into the rare book room and John closed the door behind

them. As he was heading towards the display case, Gooch felt a tingling on her right arm and collapsed to the floor. Oh my god, she's been bitten by a spider. How to know where. While she's trying to give a two of those would be so embarrassing. Oh sorry I'm going down. Oh no, I know we've just met but can you call him? You'll let's please, I'm so embarrassing. Oh, sorry I'm going down. Oh no, I know we've just met, but can you call him? You're like, please, I'm so sorry. Am I, is that, do you think that's gonna be an issue? But I know I've just met, but would you mind just making a phone call

to save my life? I hope it's not too much for me. I'm just being poor in Paris, if it wasn't someone I knew well. Yeah. If I collapsed and it was you guys, I'd be like, oh, you shitheads, call an ambulance, because I, you know, we're casual like that.

But people I don't know, and I'm trying to make a good impression, and now I'm vulnerable, and I'm tingling. I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm alright, I'm okay anyway, so right this way, thanks. It wasn't a spider, unfortunately. Oh. No, it was Beckman who had taken her down.

With what? With a stun pen, like a stun gun, yeah. But a pen? What? Does that exist? What? Apparently so. So they're walking, dressed,

they've dressed very suspiciously, long coats, gloves and a hat. Yeah. But no alarm bells were ringing until she was on the ground post. Well, I mean, she loves the books. She just, she loves showing people the books. She sees all sorts of people all the time.

Maybe she thought it was a bit weird. But, you know, your instincts, I don't think, normally tell you, and she'd never had an issue before. I think something really fuckers about to happen I think people just normally make things make sense in their mind because nearly always It isn't something crazy about to happen. Yeah That's me like you know trying to get inside in mind, but I feel like that's what I would have done I'm like oh these guys address warm warmly. It's not that cold out

The leader continues. They took 20 pencil sketches drawn by Audiblean for the Octavo edition of Birds of America. The first edition Darwin, a two volume natural history from the 1500s called Autus Sanitatus, or Garden of Health, at illuminated manuscript from 1425, and the two large folios,

as you know the two massive double elephant things. Oh wow. Library director Susan Brown saw the men leaving and according to Afford Avid's told them to stop. They had to get down the stairs when she saw them, they dropped the two folios. They were so heavy that they were battling to get them out. They were clearly... Because they were like a table. Yeah, clearly struggling to get them out. They dropped them, bailed on them, easily the two most valuable parts of their highest. And they ran to a gray minivan where two other men waited and drove off. That's at least what Susan Brown thought she thought they ran over to

two other men. I don't know if I'd stop for someone called Susan Brown either, you know. Maybe I'd stop to yawn. Susan Brown, the head librarian. I don't know, I like it. They were specific about what they were going in for. They knew what they weren't just grabbing anything. They knew what they wanted and they knew what they were specific about what they were going in for like they knew what they weren't just grabbing anything You know like they were they knew what they wanted and they knew what they were looking for. Yeah, that's right But they did not anticipate how heavy the books would be no it sounds like that is the case Wow I can't say it's does seem a bit weird that there's two getaway drivers and only two people going in

Yeah, you need more people to carry shit that that guy in the front seat and the passenger seat, he is a waste of space. Yeah, he's useless. Well, so much so that he didn't exist. There wasn't actually two people in the minivan. There's only one driver. But somehow, that's what she told the police. She thought there was two. So that there was a team of four.

So they've dropped both. Is it two of the big book by dropping those two? The payday has taken a significant hit there. And also, what are you going to do with it? It's got to be black mark. Anyway, I'm sorry. You'll probably cover this kind of thing anyway. I will cover all of that.

But you're right. And something I forgot, I didn't write into the report, but I read elsewhere. Susan Brown, she was brave as she chased them all the way to the van. She got so close that she keed the van apparently. Whoa. And was lucky not to be run over by them,

but she went after him. Good on you, Susan. You still have a shit name, but good on you. Within a few hours, the university had police officers everywhere. This included as folk describes campus police, uniform, lexicon and police, plane clothes, detectives and forensic teams, as well as local news crews covering the developing trans-ebook houses as it was becoming known, a crime that would one day be listed among the FBI's all-time most significant ARP theft cases. Whoa.

Yeah, it's amazing. It's a funny little haphazard-looking thing where they didn't account for their weight of the main thing they were trying to steal, but it was still ranked as such a significant ARP theft. At this point, all the police had was very little to go on. There were no fingerprints, very few witnesses. What Susan Brankard tell them wasn't super helpful in terms of what they their appearance. There was no video camera surveillance. The police were told they were looking for four Caucasian men in their early 20s. Gucci still shaken by the incident, obviously.

Yeah, was she okay after the stunning? She was okay physically, relatively okay, but you know, it was obviously very traumatic. Yeah, sure. So soon after she was still shaken when she was talking to the police and she described how she'd been struck by a taser-like weapon and that her hands and feet were bound with zip ties and her eyes were covered with a woolen hat. Whoa. So there's a woman in her 50s, works in a library,

you know, this would just come, you know, you're not, this would just come, you know, like to anyone, this would come as a wild shock, but she's not working as a security guard in a vault or something, you know, where you'd be expecting such things. She just wants to show people cool books. I know, breaks your fucking heart.

Yeah. One other detail stood out to her though, and this is Dave sort of brought this up before, despite not recognizing the men, one of them called her BJ, which was a nickname only friends and colleagues used, BJ short for Betty Jean. But she remembered one of the men saying,

quit struggling BJ, what do you wanna feel more pain? That's weird. That's very weird. This is a, yeah, a bit of a clue that these guys must be somehow connected to the whole scene here, but not sure how exactly. The Lexington police got their commercial burglary squad on the case. Police were on the lookout for the getaway vehicle, the Gray Mini van. Air ports were notified and the FBI was also called in. The thieves evaded capture, at least

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Doom. Part to journalist John Falk, when he interviewed them at the Federal Correctional Institution in Ashland, Kentucky. Funnily enough, it was four men. The fourth man was on a roof though. She wouldn't have been able to see him. But the four men were Warren Lipka, Spencer Reinhardt, Eric Borsuck and Charles Allen DeSack.

No, good names. No, good names, not at all. I need to hear him again, sorry, one more time. Warren Lipka, Spencer Reinhardt, Eric Borsuck and Charles or Chaz Alland the second. What's Eric Borsak's pretty good. Eric Borsak is probably the one standing out of it there. They're all kind of interesting looking, but they don't quite work, do they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just don't have the X factor.

That's all they find names. I don't have a certain, I don't know how do you say it. I've got nothing to say. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. A BJ Gooch about, you know? They know BJ Gooch, that's for sure. Anyway, these guys are know BJ Gooch. I tell you that much.

So these four men, they're all 1920, were college students who all grew up in the same Lexington neighborhood. They were former soccer teammates and were named in Kentucky's Allstate High School soccer team a couple of years prior. Spencer Reinhardt and Warren Lipke grew up together as neighbors in the south of Lexington. And according to Folk, in high school Warren, a Lancaster 6 footer with a mop of brown hair, was a popular jock and a class clown who delighted his classmates by bear hugging his nemesis, the Dean of Students, congratulations.

That crusty old Dean. They got that crusty Dean with a hug. We showed him. What a prank. He hugged the principal. Yeah, in front of the crowd. And that would have got him. He got you.

But did he crush him or something? Yeah, and I just hugged him. Not just said, hugged him and said, thanks for all your support. And everyone was like, he fucking got him. Heged him. Not just said hug, hugged him and said thanks for all your support. And everyone was like, he fucking got him. He got him. He got it.

He put like a kick me sign on his back or something. Like what's the prank? Dave, I don't think he just got it. There's a bear hug in front of him. Hugged him, Dave. He hugged him. Oh. So imagine, imagine, right?

Imagine. Matt's been bullying me for years, right? And then in our graduation I just go up and I hug it. Yeah, that's good. Can you do get it now? Yeah. It's very fun.

That is fun. I think I get it. It's very fun. Sorry to use you as an example there, Matt. Obviously, that's not true. No, you'll never hug me. I'll never hug you. Spencer, meanwhile, Spencer, who's a Reinhardt, meanwhile, was a short, wierry distant. And in many ways, Warren's opposite, an oversheduled, overachieving, diamond-tip drill of a kid who excelled at whatever he set himself to. He focused

above all on painting, gaining admission into prestigious Lexington art program. So that's how he got into the uni. Very good at art. And drilling it sounds like it. Oh, like he was like a, a diamond tip drill personified. Whatever that means. I don't get it. I love it.

It's like a compliment. Well, that's what the work of folk is so good in that way. That sometimes you're not exactly sure what he means, but you know what he means. I really get the vibe. Yeah, you get the vibe for sure. Despite the differing temperaments and the disapproval of Spencer's parents,

so he refers to them by their first names a lot. I do more of our classic surname thing. So Spencer is Reinhart, Warren is Lipka. The two were best of friends from the age of eight, a friendship that revolved largely around soccer. So yeah, Spencer's parents apparently were not keen on this because Lipka was the class clown. Though they attended, you don't want your kid to be friends with a funny child. You do not want that.

Get in with the wrong crowd. Yeah. Oh, the class clan, you say, makes everyone laugh, does he? Not in my house, he doesn't. Probably from a slightly less good area of this very wealthy area. Yeah. Yeah, I think we talked about it on the cocaine bear episode,

but this area is like, it's a lot of, you know, horse, horse country. Right, okay. A lot of horses are in charge. Horses are in charge. Yeah, horses are in charge. Yeah, horses are in charge. Yeah, horses are in charge.

Yeah, horses are in charge. Yeah, horses are in charge. Horses are in charge. Horses are in charge. Horses are in charge. Yeah, horses are in charge. Horses are in charge. Horses are in charge. Yeah, the mayor is called Buttercup. Yeah. And all the police at Clydesdale's,

they're big, they're big, big scary horses. So they attended different high schools, but both were varsity captains, both made all state in their soccer teams, or it's for the state soccer team. In their senior year, the two became local celebrities after a dramatic photo appeared in the Lexington Herald Leader, for the state soccer team. In their senior year, the two became local celebrities

after a dramatic photo appeared in the Lexington Harold Leiter, showing Lexington Catholic star goalkeeper, Lipka, and Tate's Creek forward, Reinhardt battling mid-air during a playoff game. They became local celebrities because of a photo showing him playing soccer. Whoa. Hey.

There's a lot going on in the town. Hey, you're that soccer kid. Whoa. Oh, it? There's a lot going on in the town. Hey, you're that sucker kid. Whoa. Oh, that's the other sucker kid. Whoa, you guys don't tell them real life. Whoa. I shoot. I can't wait to tell my mom.

Oh, quick. Do the photo. Do the photo now. Do it. Re-adact the photo. Do the thing. Do the thing. Okay.

Who? the phone. Do the thing, do the thing. Okay. I like to think that folk isn't just exaggerating and they literally did start doing like, you know, chat shows and stuff. Yeah, yeah. They had a booth at all the finest clothes. They're getting free food from the bakery. In the autumn of 2003, Spencer Reinhardt was accepted into Transylvania Uni on an art scholarship and Warren Lipka was accepted at the University of Kentucky on a full athletic scholarship. The two universities were within a couple of kilometers of each other. So they wanted to, they could still hang out and that sort of stuff. So we got lip-car class clan, Lanky, Goldkeeper, that's not so relevant. And you got a Reinhardt, quieter, arty friend, parents, and other people. Yeah, with the scholarship. They've actually both got

scholarship. They've both got, yeah, just for different things. Yeah, one for sport, one for art. I mean, you know, Yinn and Yang, isn't it? Yeah. Imagine liking both. Impossible. That doesn't make sense. Imagine liking both. Impossible. That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. Ryan Hart was keen on a career in graphic design, and Lipka had vague ambitions to enter politics, apparently. But neither had a great time at uni

with Ryan Hart telling folk, in all my art classes, I was the only guy in with a bunch of girls who didn't have any idea what they wanted to do, all these girls I could draw better than when I was in sixth grade. Oh, yuck. Okay. She's suck. Oh, I'm a young, I'm a teenage boy and I'm in a class surrounded by girls.

What a nightmare. That sounds absolutely awful and that is the exact reason that I enrolled in drama. Yeah, I was just thinking that you would have you would have been one of few boys in your course I'm guessing Dave. Yeah, Goddamn right. And it was very fun. And I could draw better than all of them. Yeah, you read girls that you could act better with when you were like six. Yeah, I've been doing a family tap and ballet shows for my family since I was six, so I'm very advanced. Oh. These interviews with folk are not too long after the

high. So they're still in their early 20s and I think I've seen interviews with them into their 30s and they do seem like better than that. Like, I don't know, at least for a while. Like matured. Rhyme Hard does it, just come across much better in the interview I saw with him when he was 30 than this one. Because that line just sounds like an idiot. But. It sounds like a very young man.

Yeah. You know, like, yeah, it sounds appropriate for the age he is when he's saying it, but it's still fun to take No, dad, but yes, it definitely makes it yeah, you kind of go, yeah, you're a you're a young dickhead. Yeah, you're still figuring yourself out Which is totally true and that is something that I do like in my head I'm picturing these guys who are who are planning this house. I'm thinking I'm picturing them being a bit older than that. But it's so weird to think of 1920 year olds doing something this full on, which is patronizing I suppose.

Kids can make huge mistakes too. In fact, they often do, because they don't think consequences through quite as much. So Ron Hart wasn't enjoying his arts class with all these girls who, who couldn't draw, which obviously impacts him. Yeah. You know, because he can draw very well. So he's getting good marks. But all these girls are doing terribly and it's impacting me.

How? How? Was there a group assignment where he's the one going, come on. Let's get our heads in the game We're going to draw this picture. Come on girls. Let's draw some flowers. You love the little flowers The lip cut on the other hand the class clown. He was also going through a tough time early in uni His parents were getting divorced and that was you know, they were parents were not getting on wasn't really getting on with his parents. His mum was soon to kick him out of home. And according to Falk, when not at soccer practice, he spent his time smoking pot watching comedy central and reading German philosophy.

The big three. Limpke quit the University of Kentucky soccer team in his freshman year. Many forfeit it is scholarship. Though he remained enrolled sort of, but now he didn't have a way to pay for it. So that didn't last too long. Around this time, he met someone, a shady type, type of figure who was earning good money in identity theft and making fake IDs. And he recruited Lipkitt to start selling fake IDs for him in

the University dorm rooms. Then Lipkitt sort of went out on his own a little bit he recruited another freshman, his old high school soccer teammate Eric Borsak to work with him. Borsak to work with him. Borsak, please call him, he's right there. Okay, Borsak, so. Borsak would provide more of the technical help. He had the relevant software and equipment and would mock up the IDs. Lipker, I think, was more of the, you know, he was the salesman and the,

the, he had the gift of the gab, so to speak. By the end of the year, they were making money selling these fake IDs for a hundred bucks a piece, as well as offering out the similar identity tweaking services, which they didn't go into the details of, because I guess I'll never busted for it, and they didn't want to give it away. The two made great money together

until an argument over cash split up the partnership. This left Liptga's dodgy business in Tatters without Borsix technical know-how. Yeah, money always gets between friends. Yeah, probably two grand went missing from a draw. Okay, that's a fair amount. Yeah, yep. So this is when Lippka reconnected

with his old mate, Reinhart, who are the graphic design skills. Did I ever have fake IDs? A couple of times to get into over 18 concerts, use my sister's friends, I do, who are the same hair cut as me. I thought you were going to say your sister's and I was like, no Dave, I don't think anyone was by that. Your sister's friend, okay.

Yeah, but to get into gigs, that's cute. I never did, I never really wanted to, but also it's less of a thing here because we can drink at 18 anyway. Yeah. You know, if you're already at college but you can't drink until you're 21, fucking everyone should have a fake ID. Yeah, you get them when you're in roll. Yeah, you shouldn't ID, you get your Katie, you lock up. Everyone's got a locker and here's your fake ID. Yeah, you shouldn't ID, you get, yeah, you key to your locker.

Everyone's got a locker and here's your fake ID. Here's our seven passports for different countries, the different names, I memorized them. And $1,000 in five different currents. Man, I love when, like, Jason Bourne agent types open up like a little suitcase. And there's like all this different coloured money in passports. Love that! I was watching a video the other day. There's this, I think it's wired to do a series of accent coach who picks apart different performances

of accents and I love him. I love how he did. They did another one recently with a woman who used to be in charge of disguises at the CIA. And so she's sort of going with like plot points in movies and TV shows and stuff. And in like that scenario, she's like, there's no magic box of passport.

Like they take their pains taking to make. And we don't just sort of have them in bulk. And you don't just have a safety deposit box full of cash. And I was like, are you ruining the illusion? But I mean, that is why I'm watching the video to ruin the illusions. I mean, but where are you getting your passport from then? You fake passport? Or they don't get it?

No, if you have to have one, they make it like for that case and then it's probably destroyed or something. It's all made of water, Dave. Yeah, it's made of water. There's no way, how, how, somewhere. I'm saying it. Yeah, you don't just have some stockpiled, and you're like, oh, who will I be today? It sounds to me like she's trying

to throw us off the sand. Yeah, man. Yes, Dave, 100%. Yeah, there's several lockers full of passports. I know there is. I choose to believe there is. So Lipke lost his business partner in Borsuch. And this is when he decided to reconnect with Reinhart

with the graphic design skills and the artistic skills. The two had drifted apart slightly since the beginning of the school year. They were attending the different universities. They were nearly two kilometers apart. You know, pretty insurmountable sort of barriers in between their friendship. Yeah.

Yeah. How would you even travel to case? I don't know unless there's a bus, is there a bus or something I could get or like a... I looked at, I looked up on Google Maps, it estimates it as a 23 minute walk. Oh no, you couldn't. No. You couldn't do it. Oh that's sad.

Yeah, no friendship is worth that. Sad to drift apart for 20-minute walk. And it really sounds like they could have used each other's support because our individually hating school. Yeah. Maybe they would have been good to talk to each other. And I guess that's what happened because when they reconnected and Lipkis suggested getting involved in this fake ID

business, Ron Hart jumped at the opportunity. When the two were hanging... Did he jump up and re-enact that photo? Yes. The goalkeeper. They said one last time. Because obviously there was a crowd milling about. He's the soccer guy. I thought they'd never be together again.

So when the two were hanging around together, Ron Hart let Lipka know about an orientation tour of the trans-y campus that Freshman undertook, which took in their library's collection of rare books and manuscripts. He told them of the John James Orterban work, and how they were told on that tour that another copy of it sold for millions of dollars. 8.8 million to be exact. Although I think Reinhart remembered as 12 million. So he's already just appointed. Only 8 million. I'm broke. I've frozen in the bin. Lipka, as they discussed, Lippka wanted to run heart, what kind of security

is around the collection? Oh, boy. And according to Falk, between studying for his first semester's finals, working out and painting, Ron Hart made time to scope out the special collection section of the Transy Library, reporting back to Warren Lippka, a week, that there

was zero security other than an old lady named BJ and having to sign a fucking book. That's a quote. I'm honestly not sure. BJ's in her like 50s. Yeah, I know. She's not an odd lady at all. I guess to a 20 year old maybe. Kids these days. To me, she's a youngster.

By hitting the ball back in a Warren's court, Lippka's court, Reinhart thought he would keep that thrilling flicker of criminality burning for a bit longer while fully expecting there to be an insurmountable obstacle somewhere down the road. Even if they did steal the books, for example, how would they ever sell them? I love that he's looking for an insurmountable obstacle for this big heist, but he's so good of finding insurmountable obstacles nearly two kilometers wall. Yeah, I know. But he underestimated his mate as Lipka was busy working out how to make it all happen.

He'd been in contact with his shady figure friend who gave him the fake ID, ID in the first place and inqu quite about how he might be able to sell some rare artwork, and his contact hooked him up with a guy in New York. Falk explains, after several phone calls, Warren managed to arrange a meeting in New York. The contact who identified himself only as Barry stipulated that Lypka had to bring $500 in good faith money. Late one Thursday afternoon in mid-February, the two friends bought a bag of weed

and drove the 700 miles from Manhattan in Reinhardt's Acura legend. It's about a 12-hour drive. They checked into the Hilton Hotel in Midtown with Lhipka signing in under Harry Balsani, a name backed up with one of their fake Kentucky drivers licenses, and they paid in cash. Having seen their fair share of high-stories, they knew how dangerous it was to leave a paper trail. The meeting was scheduled for the next morning on the southern edge of Central Park near the Plaza Hotel. Barry described himself as an older man with a long ponytail and said he'd be wearing a green scarf. The meeting initially

hit a snack. I mean, he's already pretty distinct looking and all the time with the ponytail, but just in case I'll be wearing a scarf. He gets there and there's always old men with ponytails and multicolored scarves. Three different shades of green. which show what do you say with shade of green? Is it Emerald? Is it live? No, is it live? The meeting initially hit a snag when Barry was put off by the boy's youth, but he said he put on a deeper voice. And after an awkward back and forth, Lipka finally handed the man the 500 dollars. In exchange, Barry slipped him an email address with instructions to sign off any communication

with the name Terry. So he met him and he's like, oh, hello, sir, I'm the guy. And the guy's like, you're a bit of a kid. And then he's like, oh, I'm a hello. Oh, I don't know. I'm to meet you. Sorry. I had a little frog in my throat just before, but here's here I am. A normal man. I'm a big boy. I mean, a little man. I mean, a normal man. I'm a big boy. I mean, I mean, I'm a little man. I mean, a normal man. I don't need my mummy to cut off the crusts on my sandwiches. Not anymore. I cut my own crusts. So is that what you meant that he put on a deep voice after the guy? That sounds like he or at the very least the guy sort of looked at him like oh you're a bit young before he'd said anything maybe anyone oh no don't worry about me.

So this is before they've done anything they've just got to met someone and give it in $500. These kids are fucking idiots. And then that means they've got his email now. So if they ever want to sell anything they just have to email now. So if they ever want to sell anything, they just have to email this email and say, love Terry. Yeah. Well, I don't have to say love Terry. They could say regards. Regards, Terry, kind regards, Terry.

Cheers. Fuck off Terry. Yeah. Well, I'd be a roller. Fuck you, Terry. So those paid $500 to get a man's email address. Yes. Good faith, money.

Is that a refundable deposit? I don't believe it is. If we don't sell any artwork through, will I get my $500 back? I think it's the kind of thing where they gave the money. Any, if you had a second thought of it, is that actually the go-a-set, what money? That kind of scenario. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They drove back to Lexington and set up a Yahoo email account.

And as instructed, sent off an email to the address Barry slipped them. In it, they said they had some rare books to sell and signed it off as Terry. So far so good. Perfect. Then they played the waiting game. Ah, yes. But the waiting game sucks, so they played hungry, hungry hippos. Great game. A week later, they received a reply. It said, if they wanted to sell books, that have to do it in person, which was fine. Only problem in person meant Amsterdam. Okay. So the ponytail man, he left that detail out that this email he was giving him was for some book buyers in the Netherlands. Great. Right.

Okay, so these kids who don't have a lot of money, one of whom just lost his scholarship. So obviously they're looking for some cash. They've just spent $500 to get an email address. They stayed at the Hilton, paid in cash and bought a big old bag of weed beforehand as well, which kind of been all that cheap. And now they need to steal these things and somehow get them to Amsterdam, which I would assume would be flying to Amsterdam because you're not just going to post it, are you? Yeah, that's right. And then how are you going to, how are you going to pack it and fly to Amsterdam?

This is a bad plan. Yeah. Oh, that's just my take early on. Well, let's see how it ends up. This could all bad plan. Yeah. Oh, that's just my take early on. Let's see how it ends up. This could have ended up really well. They're probably still living it up in the Caribbean, which was one of their plans, if they at all came off. What are you mean? You're just going to fuck off to the Caribbean. Yeah. What? You're like 20 and you don't explain to your mum why you've moved to the Caribbean and never coming back. Oh boy, this is dumb.

Anyway, that was excited by the response that they had to go to Amsterdam until it dawned on them that they would have to travel with a passport and their rule was let's not leave a paper trail and that gets travel with a passport and their rule was let's not leave a paper trial and that gets hard with a passport. I mean, they've already left a digital trial by emailing this dude. But from a made up email address, you know, it can't be connected back to them. They sent the email from a public computer and all that sort of stuff. Okay, that's good.

So they've been pretty clever about it so far, you know, in some ways, I guess. Jess has also picked a few holes. Well, you're just thinking, they have been, you know, those made some pretty good decisions, I think. Oh, I don't know. You've read the whole thing, you know how this ends. And you're going, no, no, but good on them, Laura.

Well, some of the dumbest things they do are yet to come. OK. So I'm like, oh, you're picking up these things. Just do wait. I can't. I can't wait. So yeah, so they realize that they were going to have to probably get a fake passport.

And to Ryan Hart, they're like, this is the insurmountable problem. We've had fun dreaming about this, but we're done now. Of course, Lipke was undeterred. He again, when do we shady mentor mate? And he let him know that he need to leave the country and they needed the documentation to do it. He said that they had the skills to make fake licenses,

but a passport was a little bit of a stretch for them. So they were told to wait a couple of days and it would cost them two and a half grand each. To cut costs, they decided only Lipka would go. And it was as easy as that. They got their passport and return flights. It was later. And Ryan Hart drove Lipka to the airport and folk takes up the story from here. Lipka touched down at Amsterdam's Shrip Hole airport on a Saturday morning in early March 2004.

He took a cab to the dam square and old hippie hang out in the center of the city he'd read about on the internet. He scored a joint before checking into a hole in the wall and falling asleep. First thing you do at Amsterdam, you don't check in. You go straight. Hello, class, I'm Marijuana Police.

And they're like, yeah, all right. They probably would do that on their pillows, like instead of after dinner minutes at the hotel. There's a little joint. After dinner joint, love it. So I've got a menu. Is this post... Is this post... Highest, like he's already got in the book, I have to do the joint love it. So I've got a menu. Is this post he's already got the book?

Can you find answer? No, this is all pre. We haven't got up to that. So is this to set up a meeting or something? That why is he going early? Yeah, this is for a meeting. Right. What?

But he's also playing it like he's got the books. So he's just making sure before they go through the host that he has a way of selling them. That is kind of clever, you know? I think. Clevver, but also your dealing with some pretty serious people. Yeah, yeah. And telling him you've got something that you don't have. Yeah, exactly.

And you're spending money you don't have to fly there as well. Oh, but it'll be easily covered by the 8.8 million. For the big, heavy books, I'll definitely be out of carry. And others. Far out. Oh, so is it, I didn't think that the passport was going to work and it obviously has. Can you still get a passport for like a fake one

for two and a half thousand dollars? Yeah, that feels like a bargain, right? I guess mates rates used to work with them. Yeah, like do they actually, I didn't think you could actually fake a passport like that. How naive of me ever since just told me about the Jason Bourne video. My first passport I got in around that time and it was definitely more primitives than the ones now. Didn't have the chip in it and it didn't have all sorts of things. I imagine it would be way harder to do now.

Yeah, of course. But 2004, maybe that was right at the end of this being possible. Wow. Yeah. But I'm no passport expert. at the end of this being possible. Wow. Yeah. But I'm no passport expert. I should put that on the table. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. I did have follow-up passport related questions,

but I will leave them to you. Eyes have to be open. No glasses or hat in the photo. I look like I can't. What mine expires next year, I'm so happy. Because it's a dog shit photo. I think that's the rule. It has to be a dog shit photo. You can't look good. You can't.

If you do, if you're good at that, then I mean Dave probably does. Dave looks good. Well, my first attempt was rejected because I went to an old man at a chemist who looked like he was older than photography was. He was so old. That's old. And he's standing there shaking his hand while he's like taking the photo. He printed it out. I thought I looked quite good. I was like, man, thanks so much.

You've really gone above and beyond. I sent him. He really captured my essence. Yeah. Yeah, shouldn't question your methods. You obviously know what you're doing. Well, then when I sent it to the passport office a few days later, they got back to me saying that it wasn't good enough quality, that the photo wasn't good.

So I had to get another one. No, that's my head. No. And then I'm like, came back basically, I think their problem was that I looked too hot. Yeah. That was their problem. They hate that. Yeah, the very insecure, the people at the passport head office, very insecure.

Oh, check out this doll face. Check out this hottie. You definitely, there's no reason you can't smile. They're just like, just don't let them. Show it's more information of anything. You know, you're showing your teeth. Yeah. I've got them. I've got all my teeth.

Yeah, that's right. When you die, they always check your bloody dental records for matching, don't they? Yeah. I've been from TV, I've seen, yeah. Yeah, well, I want you to wipe it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Yeah, well, I want you to go the debunked that. Where did they get dental records from though? What does that mean? They check your dental records. Yeah, I think the dentist keeps records. I mean, I got an extra my teeth last month. That'll be on file somewhere. Right. So they just sort of, they would go, well, this body still has its wisdom teeth and we

can see that Jess had hers out so it can't be hurt Oh the killer somehow put them back in That's the theory I'm going with the causing pain. They were causing pain I don't want them back in there. Yeah serial killer. Okay. There's a reason I had them surgically removed. Yeah, I'll stop this hurt Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Don't get the cops off the set though. So, you know, in essence, quite a wise move by the killers. Yeah, interesting, interesting. But he accidentally puts the left hand side on the right hand side and that's how they know. And they're like, wow, this could be not many people. How many people are born with their left hand wisdom tooth

on the right hand side? Okay, so. How did we get onto this? I'm sure it was passports. Oh, yeah, fake passports. Yes, he's in Amsterdam. So he's in Amsterdam. He's at a joint, gone to bed.

The next morning, this is still folk. The next morning, all nerves, he left for the meeting site. A cafe within one. I think it's another joint, then. Yeah. Well, he's got a cafe, I is still folk. The next morning, all nerves, he left for the meeting site, a cafe within one of the different. Oh, it needs another joint, right? Yeah. Well, he's got a cafe, I think they probably saw him out there. Cafe with the Kay. They'll saw him out. He was told to look for a bearded, heavy-set man in a solid blue sweater.

When Warren arrived. My color scarf. No scarf. So that was, he should have just said, I'm the guy without a without a scarf Everyone else got all these different shades of green scarves on Trust me everyone and I said good a scarf. I'll really stand out So when lip girl arrived he saw a man fitting that description seated with three other men He's like, oh, that wasn't part of the plan Undeterred he introduced himself as Terry, firmly shaking hands before sitting down. Like Barry, which I'm starting to think wasn't even that goes real name.

Like Barry, the men were immediately put off by Warren's youth, Lippka's youth, and even more so by the fact that he hadn't brought any of the books with him. They're like, what's this meaning for? Are they going to sell us some books? He also didn't have any photos of the books nor photocopies, documentation of any kind, or even the slightest of bit of intelligently discussed the books. Oh, you're the dumb. Oh, well, I've given you a list of names of books. What more do you need to know? So he hasn't done any research on them at all. Then he was wrong when he couldn't pronounce the author's name. Well, him and me both.

As you know, one of those big F-alarm flowers. F-alarm. It's a double F-alarm. It's a double F-alarm, so could I have $8 billion now? Yeah. You give me the money first. I'll send the books. You're giving them only now, this was show of good faith.

The meeting lasted no more than 15 minutes. Long flight over. That's not good. But still, it was a turning point because the man explained to Warren, well, Lipka, that a crucial step of selling the books, stolen or otherwise, is that it needed to be appraised by a legitimate auction house. That's something he didn't realize.

He's like, oh, that ain't just sell it to him, but even dodgy buyers. And they're like, if you can do that step, and I think they were probably thinking, he's not gonna do that. So we'll never hear from this guy again. He's full of shit, but they said, if you can do that, then you got yourself a buyer.

So he's like, sick, one step closer. I'm fascinated by the ethics of the auction house because if somebody comes in with books like that you'd be like and they're like a 20-year-old you'd be like oh you've obtained these in a not so good way. So what are you supposed to do just just appraise them and go about you. Like, what's the ethics there? Well, we'll get to talk about that soon. Oh, man. Sorry.

No, I love it. Love how your brain works, Bob. Yeah, I've had three hours sleep. Hey, Bob, your brain is your value. Thank you. Sorry, if that was a bit off. No, it was just a bit touching. A little bit unexpected. I needed to hear that today.

Bit rude to hear that. Bit rude to hear that. Oh yeah. It knows what it did. My heart's no good. So now that I knew all that to do is get the books, get them appraised, get them then smuggle them out of the country to Amsterdam, and then they can sell them. So they were feeling good. Things were happening.

What? I mean, honestly, they're the same steps away from success as we are away from success for this blame. Yes. But nothing is happening. But now they and we both know these are the steps. They don't even know the steps first. Dave, they walked so we could run. That's right. You know, now we know we know the steps. Don't go to Amsterdam without the stuff to sell. Yeah, and also there are actually some pickies of it, you know, or a vague idea about them. Yes, no, what it is you plan to steal. Yes. Do you reckon as he walked away from the meeting, the three men were dislapping about him? Like, definitely.

Yes. Yeah. Or, yeah, I wonder, depending on the kind of characters they were, that they're either laughing or they're going, should we take him out? I don't like that he knows who we are. They did not expect to ever hear from him again. No, I don't like the he knows who we are. They did not expect to ever hear from you again. No, I don't reckon. So when Lipka returned to tell Reinhart the good news,

that was on it. What good news? They had a boy else. Something that they thought would be difficult to find for someone books with millions of dollars, but they found it. They found a boy. So that was really, that was, you know,

ticking off one box. It just created a new box or two that they had to tick now. That to get them appraised. And like I say, they also had to get them. Yeah. That is one of the biggest boxes. I reckon. You're gonna need a real thick market to tick that box.

Lipker got straight into researching online and he settled on Christie's in New York. No, no one could go result. He's like, well, this seems fine. Probably the most famous and notable. Most famous. Uh, certainly. House in the world, right?

There's Christie's London, Christie's New York. It's an old, ever like, I don't know anything about this world and I've heard of Christie's. Oh my God. So the plan is to go to Christie's, get him a prize and then say, oh, sorry, I'm not going to sell him here. I'm going to take them away now and then take them to Amsterdam. Wow. So there's what they thought they thought, they thought a couple of freshman wander in to Christie's in New York and not raise any hour prayers. So Ron Hart is sort of like, he's Warren Lipka is like, he's a wild man all in, gets excited, doesn't necessarily think things through all that much. Ron Hart's a little bit more contemplative and but still gets dragged along by his mate.

Can I just quickly to say so is Lippga? Is he the one that the parents were like, I don't want you to be friends? Right, I was parents. They were right. They probably were a bit right. They were right, 15 years ago. Okay.

Honestly, your parents usually are my best friend, and I say that in inverted commas in primary school. By the time we got to grade four, my mum had a chat to the teachers and said, can you put them in different classes next year? And then I was very sad that me and my friend weren't in the same class anymore. But then weirdly, I started to enjoy school a little more and do a little better and turns out she was just a bully. Good. Wow.

And mum was like, she's not too good for you. So your parents are often right about this stuff. Well, that's so good. Cheers, Mum. Good on you, Mum. Annie, what a lady. That's the best lady. Sorry, I just get really emotional again today.

She actually reminds me a little bit of BJ Gooch. Oh, same kind of thing. Although Dave, your Mum's a librarian, right? Yeah, that's right. So maybe. My. Gooch. Oh, same kind of thing. Although, Dave, your mom's a librarian, right? Yeah, that's right. So maybe... My mom loves books. Maybe B.J. Gooch is all of our moms. Yeah.

Now I'm even more protective of her. I would kill for any of our moms. Yeah. Oh, Ricken. That would... Thanks, Jess. I'd take a bullet. Wow, you'd kill for any of our moms. I would die. I'd take a bullet. Wow. You'd kill any of the mums. I'd be killed for any of our mums.

I wouldn't die. I'd take a bullet to the shoulder or something. Hopefully, I mean, if my aim is good, but I'm directing my body in front of the bullet, not the head and shoulder. Right, I'm thinking you're like, you're seeing the bullet midair. Is that what you think?

And choosing not to avoid the bullet bullet you're putting your shoulder into it Yeah, well, I'm talking you know if I have the choice of Moving so that it doesn't hit my heart or something or an organ, but maybe grazes my arm, but saves a mum Yeah, okay, I regret I'll use an arm for save a mum Beautiful, that's beautiful. Wow I say the mom. Beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah. Wow. Anyway, later recounting to folk, Brian Hart said, and this is of the idea, uh, lip-cars idea of going to Christie's,

I was kind of skeptical. But the way I rationalized it was, it's the biggest auction house. If we go in there, they're not going to suspect that we stole these, because no one would go to Christie's with stolen books to get them a prize. It's so dumb that they'd be like, wow, this is so dumb. Come in, come in.

Yeah. So who's this stupid? The hiding in plain sight, kind of idea, which is my favorite way to hide. But yeah, this is, he goes on to say, that's how we did a lot of stuff. Like, we would smoke weed directly under the security camera on the trans-y campus, park a car right underneath it, and then smoke for like an hour. We figured the more obvious we were, the less likely we would be suspected. Okay, I don't like these boys.

I don't. I don't. I understand they've grown into men now, and they're maybe a little more mature, but still, I don't. I understand they've grown into men now and they're maybe a little more mature, but still I don't like them. Yeah, well you know they're more mature. They'll come from a certain level, but you know what? I'm trying not to be too judgmentally the way, but yeah, if they didn't fuck up BJ Gooch, I think you know, it would all feel pretty harmless, but unfortunately, they traumatize an innocent woman

at the heart of all this. And so it makes it, every time I start to think, I'm like, yeah, they're just dumb boys. It's like, it's a pretty, you know, it's tricky. You don't want to like, you made a dumb mistake early in your life. You should be hated forever. But you're also like, I mean, you did kind of make this woman's

life a lot harder. And there was, there's no point to what they're trying to do. You know, it's just for shits and gigs, that I don't like either. Well, something they talk about a lot is that it's, they're trying to, they feel like their lives are mundane and they're trying to break out from that and try to do something. Gouge explains it pretty well in a film that she's briefly interviewed and she says, they wanted to do something extraordinary, but they didn't want to work for it. I mean, it's so much work, but it's still like somehow it's doing it the easy way, but it's so much ridiculous work at the same time.

It's not easy. You hear these stories often you go, imagine if you put all this effort into something easy way, but it's so much ridiculous work at the same time. It's not easy. Yeah, it's not easy. You hear these stories often you go, imagine if you put all this effort into something more positive. Yeah, imagine if you just like were nice to the dumb girls in your art class, maybe you could make some connections and, you know, just connect with other humans. Maybe you could just travel, you've already flown to Amsterdam, just have a look around. You don't have to steal some art for it. That you stay neutral, but I'm going to jump to the crap out of the charts. Day to full positive. I think that they're great,

young men. Yes. I mean, what's better? A book being locked up in some sort of glass cabinet or should it be free to be sold to some guy? Like the birds to pick it in it. Send them free. Let it fly. And then I would assume that man in Amsterdam is gonna free the book back into it's natural happens. I'll lie about that. Be free. Throw it into a river. I did it! I'm a hero! Everyone's like, no!

He's just an eccentric billionaire who keeps buying expensive books and throwing the winter ripets. Lee believes that's where they all came from. That's where books come from. Look it up. Read a book. Oh, you can't. Through to the room.

What's that you got there? Book. Anyway, what started as a wild idea between a couple of high teen ages was starting to look like it was maybe a goa. No, it's not. But in this planning stage, they realized they would need more people involved to pull it off. So Lipke called his old business partner, Eric Borsak. Oh, Borsak.

They met up and made up at a pizza bar. Although, it's interesting with these interviews. So, they've been interviewed about this a few times since and the details change a bit. It's been made into a film as well. And so, in this article, Closer to the Time, which makes me sort of trust it more, they, Lipka said they met up at a pizza bar, but in the film it's talked about like it's a Japanese restaurant I think, or it's another kind of cuisine anyway. But it's an easy-to-getting challenge.

That's a different, it's not a pizza bar though. Yeah, that's Hollywood for you. Yeah, really juicing it up. Pizza! It's different. It's not a pizza bar though. Yeah, that's Hollywood for you. Yeah, really judging it up. Pizza. It's been done. What about Japanese? Oh, I like. Is that the sushi one? Yeah, yeah, let's go there. What's the sushi?

The sushi one, yeah. Not a vintage sushi. Anyway, now I'm doing what he's done. I've added a new cuisine list. Tacos. Everyone loves tacos. So they made up and then Lipka started pitching him the book heist plan. Or in the movie as they reenacted, he says,

you gotta tell me you win or out. And Borsik's like, in or out of what? He's like, I'm not telling you until you tell me if you're in or out. He's like, I need a little more than this. And anyway, he gets up and in and he tells him the highest plan. I need it. And basically the plan is, hey, we've got bars for these books.

We just got to get the books. They considered stealing them under the cover of darkness. But I think Borset came in and he said, the likelihood of alarms being tripped makes under the cover of darkness harder. It would be smartest to do it during business hours. He had again hit an employee in sight, which meant they would have to wait till after the summer break.

The summer break was spent dreaming of what they would do with all that money. Foggrads rides that they were, whenever the three of them hung out, Lipka would frequently conjure up fantasies through billowing clouds of marijuana smoke, of post-hast life for them in the Mediterranean, complete with sleek catamaran and topless women. I said, I said the Caribbean or a Caribbean, but it was actually the Mediterranean. See, I'm doing it. I'm doing what they did.

And do you know what, too? None of those topless women can draw better than him. This is an audition. He's like, I'm not hanging out with these topless women. The day he finds a woman who can draw as well as him is the day he meets his wife. That's beautiful. That's the perfect woman and she doesn't exist. He's that good. He's that good, you guys.

He's the best artist on planet earth. He's the best artist in the galaxy. Which is, I mean, you think that he could make it without stealing stuff, but sadly, he can't. He can't, because the world isn't ready for his art. So on that talented. We're all like, what? Because we don't get it mere mortals. We don't get it. They lip-gur and borsic live together, along with the third uni student, uh, acquaintance, along with the third uni student acquaintance, Charles Allen II.

That's right. I was wondering where Charles would come to. Alan and Borsik also ran a lawn care company together the previous year. Charles seemed to be like a bit of a go get it. The way I read it, maybe he comes from the wealthiest family of the three of them, as well as being their house mate. He also co-owned the house with his parents.

So he was kind of like their landlord and housemate. And they're 20. I forgot that these guys don't come from poor families. I mean, I'm not saying their parents are all millionaires and so, you know, but they're okay. No, that's totally what it seems like. I think they've got a fine support now. They're not at all, I don't think they're like loaded, but they are, they're described as middle class. So I think they're comfortable.

According to the Harold Leiter, Alan Cohen CTA investments with his parents, the company, the business owned three Lexington properties, including the Beaumont house, and according to court records, they were valued at about half a million bucks. I would love to go to the American property market. I feel whenever I see those sort of shows

where they're buying a house in America, I'm like, it feels like I could almost afford a house over there. Yeah. Do you know what, Matt, you know how much I love house hunters? Uh, I was at work overnight and the house hunters was on TV and I was like, fuck, yes, and it was house hunters international. I was like, yes, love this because it's often people moving to different parts of the world. So it's just spain ones or I was growing. These people ones where they go to a sunny place. Yeah. And it's the Spain ones are always great. A lot of ones where they go in a sunny place.

Yeah, and it's like even island hunters is very good. So I was excited for something a bit exotic, but it was actually a young couple moving from a place in northern Western Australia to Perth. And so they were just looking at suburban houses. Yeah, so that's red bricks. And what was that international? I guess it's international to people not in Australia,

but I thought international, but they weren't even moving international. The point is the house owners are moving internationally. I thought they're running out of it. That's what I thought. Now, were they like, Western Australia is so big. It's basically made.

How did you describe it last week, Jess? It's fucking huge. It is fucking huge. It is fucking huge. It's honestly so fucking big. The Herod leader also says that Alan worked for his father's real estate company as well according to the financial affidavit. His father, Tom Allen, is a part owner of Thompson and Riley, a prominent Main Street auctioneer. And in the past, Charles Allen had also done appraisals

for his father according to court papers filed in connection to his father's 2003 divorce. So maybe he have a few skills in the old appraisal world. Let me just say they go underutilised. So they're still going to Christy's. dumb. So these kids are just absolutely bored. They just want some kind of adventure. They just want a three. That does feel like it's a big part of it, yeah. Just go skydiving or something. Go to a theme park.

I did that for this, it's for the boys. Let's go skydiving, but we'll land in a bank vault. We'll take everything and then we'll land in a bank vault. We'll take everything and then we'll bungee jump out. When told of the plan, Alan derided the others as diluted pot heads, but once fully aware of all their prep work and the dollar value of the house, Alan was in all their prep work. Alan was in as well.

So it's that sadly. No, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

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you're doing very well. For someone you're age, you're fucking killing your mother. And he's getting involved in a big crime with people, he calls deluded pot heads. Fucking hell, these kids are so bored. It's just, yeah, yeah, anyway, the other three don't like him that much either. So the interview with folk, he was the only one that declined to be involved. So a lot of what I'm talking about is from the other three's perspective,

more than his. And it does sound like he was at the start and remained the odd one out of the force. He got pretty frustrated with them the whole way through. God, I was frustrated with him from the distance. Yeah, I think he sort of might have lived that the whole time as I was like, God, this doesn't make sense. You're doing this the dumb way. You're just doing it.

But he still went along with it. I mean, that's the thing. So you sort of say those maybe Ron Hart got involved with Lipka and that was bad for him, but it's like he did go along with it, you know. They're adults. Yeah, this is they've made their own decisions. They just don't decisions. For me, a mature woman. I was a, I'm in I've always been a bit of a go with the flow guy so I, I hate to,

I'd hate to think. But I also, yeah, I feel like I probably would not have done this, I don't think. You know I don't like to sort of support your buildup on the podcast and I do it very little in real life, but you are, I go with the flow guy, but the good kind and you're also smart So I'm I don't honestly believe you would Full you would not be I'd like to think I wouldn't be you might enjoy the conversation and once they once you realize they were serious You'd go I've just got to get something and just slip out of their laughs forever. Yeah, you would just Leave all my stuff in my room., but move out under the cover of darkness.

Just non-confrontation, but you people are fucking idiots, so I'm just going to go. So as the school year went back after the break, the group went to work surveilling the library and its staff, making detailed maps and taking notes of the librarians' routines. So they sit in their cars or in the roofs around and go, all right, library number two has left for the day again. And they just, they keep these doors staffed a day. And would they go into the library?

Some of you in, especially Ron Hart, who's the only one who actually goes to this university. So Ron Hart's a trans-y student and the other three go to the uni up the road, which is an insurmountable distance away. So they're all in there. Reinhardt even does another tour of the, by himself, this time of the rare books room. So he's really scoping it out. He's drawing the map. And obviously that's his skill set as well.

And according to folk, they climbed onto dorm roofs where they'd stake out the library for hours at a time, marking down the comings and goings of the teachers, students, and security personnel. They also did considerable research on the internet using such key terms as auction house appraisals, stun guns, and Swiss bank accounts. Oh my God. What are you doing?

For inspiration. What is it about Swiss bank accounts? They're just, because chocolate is such a stable commodity, I think Swiss bank accounts are a safe place to put money. Yeah, okay, that does absolutely make sense. And I feel a bit silly for this. I have no idea, but I assume it's like extradition treaties and stuff.

Is it a non-extradition thing? Yeah, that's it, isn't it? Right. But I don't know exactly. Be something like, for some reason, it's less likely for your government who's the money where the money's been stolen from, to be able to get it back.

What a funny thing for your country to be famous for? Yeah, we ate a lot of criminals. White collar criminals, usually so. I looked it up, because that is really intriguing. It's the Swiss banking law of 1934, made it criminal for Swiss banks to disclose the name of an account holder. Right.

So there are a lot more confidential. Okay. Falk also says for inspiration, they watched harsh movies like Ocean's 11 and snatch. So they were doing their research. They're doing an research. Okay, we need to get a little guy who can do a back flip into a box. What for?

I don't know, but I mean, we need to just in case. I watched one. In late October, Lipka had written out a detailed plan and he presented it to the other three. Fault outlines the plan as follows. The day of the horse would be Thursday, December 16. One of the last days of final exams, the library would be nearly empty. He said, Lipka under an alias would make an appointment with Gooch for that afternoon to view the books they wanted to steal. The plan for the actual robbery sets out three distinct phases, phase one. This begins at the bungalow where they live, where three of them live, when all four

get into what Warren Lhipca designated as the GT-AV. This is what he calls it the whole way through. It's called the as the GTAV. This is what he calls it the whole way through. It's called the GTAV. It's called the GTAV. The go-to and away vehicle. No. Not get away. The go-to and away vehicle.

The GTAV. That's what we're calling it. I'm making a wish. And it sounds like he insists on calling us out. People are like, hey, where's the van? Uh-uh! The GTAV. If the cops here are still, I'll know what you mean by van.

If they hear GTAV, they'll be bored and stop listening. The go-to and away vehicle. What the fuck? It's a good question. Another detail that you aren't aware of yet. They're all going to be disguised as old men. Fade one ends when the GTAV is parked in front of the library and the four are in first position at the bottom of the stairs of the library. That's a direct quote from his plan.

Phase two involves the actual theft and begins when Spencer Onhart takes his position at the upper floor window of a nearby athletic center where he will be on lookout. Because Spencer was a trans-y student, he risked being recognized in the library. So he had to stay out. Lipka? Okay, that's the first clever thing we've done. First of many, here we go. Now it's when they get real smart. Lipka and Chaz Allen go up to the rea book room on the third floor. And Warren Lipka brings Gooch down hard and fast. That's another quote. That's what he's, that's how he described it. Bring down Gooch hard and fast with the stun gun,

making her a quote non-factor throughout the operation. Lipker and Alan then let Borsuk in and they begin wrapping the order bonds into bedsheets. These are the double heffalumps and put any smaller books in backpacks. The three then take the staffer and the elevator down to the bottom floor and escape out the West Fire Exit. Phase two ends when the loot, that's quote, loot, is loaded into the GTAV.

Phase three is the escape, which involves switching the GTAV for a second vehicle at a secret location, which, according to Warren Lipker and his plan, is used to transport the team and loot to temporary resting place." After the host, they've killed the books. They've all shot the books and they bury them. They're never going to let them swim again. After the host, since it is certain that the stolen books will be entered into art theft databases within a week, they have to get the book's appraised, Chris is in New York

immediately. The group all agree to this great plan. Okay. Further demonstrating how inspired Lipka was by cinema, he allocated each member of the team a code name, much like in Resvoy Dogs. Ryan Hart was Mr. Green, Lipka, Mr. Yellow, Borsic, Mr. Black, and Alan, Mr. Pink.

I think I'm playing that. Just like in the film, Alan hated being called Mr. Pink. You're kidding. That's not what I'm saying, Mr. Pink. There's so many colors. He's definitely done it to fuck with him. I know you say he's...

You haven't used blue! Orange. I mean, is it blue? There's no blue. No. Green, yellow, black and pink. Yeah, it's just to fuck with Alan. He could've used any color.

But it's also funny, like this is 2004 when boys would be offended by being associated with pink. I think it feels like the world's moved on from that now. He's like, you know, there used to be a running joke where people would be offended if you're like, oh, I like your pink shirt. It's not pink, it's salmon. You remember that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now people, I've seen so many men wear pink and... I love it. And men are like, it's not salmon, it's pink, God damn it. I'm Mr. Pink. Can I be Mr. Pink? Oh, I don't want to be Mr. I'm Mr. Pink. Can I be Mr. Pink? I don't want to be Mr. Pink. Please, we always get to be Mr. Pink.

No, you're Mr. Salmon. No, I'm Pink. It's baby pink. Thank you very much. And it brings up our eyes. I'm willing to compromise. And we all get to be a different shade of pink. I'm hot pink.

I'm fuchsia. I'm power angel pink, okay? Each member had a different job to do. Lipka locked in in the appointment with Christie's using the Walter Beckman pseudonym. He also emailed BJ Gooch and confirmed their December 16 appointment. He used public phones and campus computers to avoid the correspondence being traced back to him. Lipka also ordered four stun guns online. That's sure what I needed for, but I guess it's good to have backups. Borsik was in charge of organising the GTAV, which he did, organising

to borrow a friend's car. The friend was unaware of what was planned for it. What, so it's not even like a hired or stolen car or something? No, it doesn't keep the phone. Switch the number plates on it though. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, okay. Because if you hire a car, like you've got a show ID, which they could do, but yeah,

just, I'm then there, maybe there's CTV footage in that shop and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, but yeah, sorry, I was thinking that they were just going to use their friend's car and then their friend would get arrested and he'd say, oh no, these four people borrowed it. That's it. Oh, okay, thanks. That was wonderful.

Yeah, they shouldn't be far away. They've only just dropped it back. So, he also organized this borschtick, also organized the zip ties, bare cheats to cover the books, and the woolen cap that would cover Gucci's eyes. Being the artistic one, Ryan Hart was in charge of disguises. He organized fake bids and other facial hair, grey wigs and costume glue. According to Falk, on the morning of December 16, Lippka's carefully scripted plan began to unravel almost immediately.

Borset couldn't get hold of his friend's car, leaving Charles Allen to borrow a Dodge Caravan that his mother was fortuitously selling the next day. The stun gun's Lippka had ordered never arrived. So he drove around town and finally found a black cobra stun pen to buy. And then he had a ron heart zap him and Borsuk to test. It's knockout pal. Oh my god.

Oh my god. What are you doing? Did he get knocked out? Yeah, I guess I worked well enough that they kept going with the plan. When they arrived on campus in the replacement GTAV, still called a GTAV, they couldn't find a parking space

anywhere near the library. Oh, it's doing laps. I mean, they bring out heavy the books up. It's so important that it's just as close as possible. Dave, they just just just running out the window. Are you following anyone who's got keys in the hand? You going to it? Oh, yeah. Here I go.

Are you straightening up? No, I'm just, I'll go. Are you just putting stuff in your car? Okay, yep, no, I just think you. Cool, cool, thanks. Thanks, though. Once they were inside the library, students stared at their ridiculous old man disguises. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, my name is Walter. Um, that's so bad. That's so, everyone, yeah, because you're right, just with the witness thing, like everyone's just like, oh yeah, I remember those men exactly. Yeah, I watched them for a while because I thought that would be nice.

The ridiculous old man disguise were particularly ridiculous because Reinhardt had to do a rush job on them because his art history final had run long. He had an exam that day. They all did, which I think they thought, you know, this all put them off the Senate more as if people doing their exams are also gonna do a high-statsom, don't.

I'm lucky. They also noticed a group of people lingering in the rare book room, which they weren't expecting. I mean, after all, Walter Beckman had an appointment. So they're going up to stairs, I want to call him Lhipka. He's going up to the stairs, who's going to play the part of Beckman. And he sees this big group of people in there. They quickly have a meeting in the library. They're, what do we do? And they decide to abort. They all leave, jump in the GTAV,

and they head back to the share house. What? Right. Gulds later said that she noticed the group in their costumes, and just assumed it was theater students falling around. They looked so ridiculous. They're just like, oh, that is goofing around. It's the end of the end of semester or whatever. Lipka called Gooch to apologize for missing the meeting and rescheduled for the next day. Apparently his excuse was, sorry, I was out of town on business. Oh my god. That's something.

Yeah, so funny. Oh, sorry, I was out of town on business. I mean, he was about to walk into the meeting with hastily glued on facial hair. Fired out. So, but anyway, now he's reshadered for the next day and they revised the plan, they scrapped the old man disguises,

deciding they'll only wear the winter clothes instead. They decided also that only Lipka and Borsik would enter the library. Lipka would go in as Beckman for the meeting, then call Borsik when he was ready for them to start hauling the books out of there. Basically, when he'd taken care of BJ. With business. And then that left Alan the second as the GTAV driver. So he was sitting in the van.

So he had to get it all done by 12.30. This is the falling day. As Alan had to get the Dodge Caravan back to his mom in time for it to sell it. Oh my God. Obviously his mom did not know about it. So it couldn't be like, Mom, the house went long.

And what about, so how are they gonna get to New York? A quick. Well, they've got other cars as well. They just didn't want to use their own cars for this part of it. Gotcha. On top of that, Ryan Hart and Borsik had to go to their exams in the early afternoon as well.

I love, I think Borsik's exam was tennis. And you tell a talk, he's like, it was actually harder than I was expecting. There's all these trivia questions about tennis. See, it wasn't expecting this. How many times has Pete Sanpress won Wimbledon? I want to go to this university. He had a tennis exam.

Yeah, no, I'm never going to that as well. That's pretty fun. University tennis exam. Wow, I have a degree in tennis. Ha, ha, ha. university tennis exam. Wow, I have a degree in tennis. On what sounds like a spur of the moment decision and you'll remember this from earlier. Oh no. Lipka bleached his hair with a thought it would give him extra anonymity. Remember how one of the high stars at the start had bleached on hair? That was because lip card the last minute decided to bleach his hair. Oh my god. So at 11 a.m. on the 17th of December,

things got off to a much smoother start. Alan scored the perfect parking spot for the GTAV. Someone was just backing in. Then Lipka, he whacked on the indicator. Shotgun, that's fine. That is my spot. Lipka went up for the meeting as Beckman, and he got there bang on time. The next bit, you know, we already talked about it at the start of the episode. Lipka knocks out Gooch with the stun pen

and Borsik tires her up with the zip tires and covers her eyes with the wool and cap. And it's around this time that Lipka said, quit struggling BJ, do you want to feel more pain? Oh my god. Folt takes the story and cap. And it's around this time that Lipka said, quit struggling B.J. Do you want to feel more pain? Oh my god. Fulk takes the story from here. Once Warren had pulled Warren Lipka, sorry, had pulled the cap over Gooch's eyes. The two later bedsheet on the ground and began piling on the seven Audubon folios they intended to steal, which was the four volumes of Birds of America, plus three volumes from

another Audubon series. The books were much heavier than the boys had projected, and the pair could hand only three at a time. They stuffed some of the smaller books Gooch had pulled out for them into their backpacks, with each taking one end of the Audubons. They made their way to the staff only elevator as planned. We told BJ as we left, we were gonna make an anonymous phone call, so they knew she was up there. Borsik said, we felt bad.

They were feeling bad about it beforehand, and they said they were gonna do all these things, and they tried, I mean, but it sounds like they didn't do that. They, I don't think they made that anonymous phone call. They didn't need to because someone found it. But it's like they were sort of telling themselves that they weren't so bad, you know what I mean?

Doing this thing that was, they clearly knew was gonna be traumatic. But we're like, we'll try and make it as easy as possible by not leaving her up there to be found. We'll get someone to find her and this sort of stuff. But. And we're gonna be millionaires after this. possible by not leaving her up there to be found, we'll get someone to find her and this sort of stuff. And we're going to be millionaires after this. They also have said, I believe, that they had plans of just selling her a selling, sending

her anonymously a bunch of cash, which obviously she would have not been able to accept. Otherwise it would have looked like she was in on it. Exactly. So it's all a bit naive at best. Oh, they're so dumb. Lipke and Borsik rode the elevator to the basement. I mean, this is all high stress obviously, but they couldn't find the fire exit in the basement.

It just wasn't where they thought it was. Oh my God. They went back up the elevator, accidentally stopping on the main floor. So the two of them holding these huge books. Oh, they're so stupid. The doors slowly open and they're realizing they're on the main floor going shit. The main librarian, Ms. Brown, who we Susan Brown, sees them.

She doesn't know what they're carrying, but she's like, where do these kids come from? Borsik remembers. So we go back down to the bottom floor just to get away from her. I guess when we did that, she went upstairs to check on BJ. Realizing that the only way out was through the main floor, they took the elevator up once again and carried the books into the back stairwell that led to another exit. As they scooted down the stairs, their arms gave out and they stopped to catch their breath. Borsair could prop the folios on the steps with his foot when the librarian appeared

at the top of the stairs beside herself with rage after finding Gooch hog tied in the rare book room. Oh my God. She's Susan Brown by now, but she's a fucking badass by nature. LAUGHTER So she's a fucking badass by nature. So she's she's coming for him. He's in. He drops the books and Lippcah made a run for it.

He just ran off in a random direction. He's panicked and he's run. That feels like him. Yes. Ron Hart is outside watching this all happen. They're taking a bit longer than expected. And he's, this is what he remembers. He says, I see Warren and Eric bust out the back door.

This is Lipker and Borsik. They were 20 steps ahead of the librarian. Charles Allen backs up the van and almost hits the woman as Eric Borsik comes around to the door. Lipker had run up the side of a hill and frantically run off. Borsik comes around to the door. Lipka had run up the side of a hill and frantically run off. Borsik calls him and so I see Lipka go back. They jump in the van and peel out around the loop.

So he just frantically ran away, forgetting that he had this hole. He had a getaway car that he named his weird name. He still forgot about the GTAV. Mm. And when they're yelling at him, they're yelling at Mr. Green, Mr. Green And when they're yelling out to him, are they yelling at Mr. Green, Mr. Green, or are they yelling at Mr. Green?

I think they're, I don't know, but I think they're yelling at Mr. Green. And also, is there now a Mr. Brown, and a Mr. Brown? No, there was no Brown, but... That is great that a Brown got involved as well. But she's part of the group. Alan dropped off his two passengers on a random street corner.

He needed to get the car back to his mum. So Libka and Borsica there with their backpacks, they've dropped the most valuable part of their highest anyway. And they're just sort of on the in this suburb of Lexington that they're not super familiar with He's like I got to get the car back to my mom. I'll come back in another car and pick you up later So they're supposed to just stand there and apparently there was some local guys that took a dislike and to them and they were being chased by some locals as well what

Who folk described as thugs? Yeah, I've been these going going off of their stories. And I, Lipka feels like he tells a wild story anyway. So according to folk, Lipka and Balsic got out of the GTAV believing that they had escaped with next to nothing. In fact, wedged in their backpacks was nearly three quarters of a million dollars worth of books and manuscripts. So they were hoping to get, you know, 10 plus million worth of stuff. But they still came out with a lot of valuable stuff. What they had was an 1859 first edition of Charles Darwin's on the origin of species by means of natural selection worth $25,000 and illuminated manuscript

from 1425 worth $200,000, a set of the two volume 15th century horticultural masterpiece entitled Hortus Sanatatus worth $450,000, 20 original automobile drawings worth $50,000, and Ottomans synopsis of the birds of North America worth $10,000. So yeah, they thought we fucked it, but they still got all these things that just shoved in their backpacks

and it up and worth quite a bit of money anyway. Yeah, but when you've mentally already spent $8 million and now you're only gonna get like a few hundred thousand, I imagine being disappointed in that amount of money. Imagine, I think it're like 200 grand. What? Back at Warren's later that after this is still folk. Back at Warren's later that afternoon, the boys were transfixed by the local courage of the trans-ebook house. According to the news, it appeared that neither Gooch nor anyone else was able to provide the police with an accurate

description of the boys. The librarian who chased him out of the library did tell police the correct total of four thieves, even though she had only seen three. She was just such a fucking badass. Yeah, yeah. A Susan brown by name. A witness had written down a license plate number, but it was way off, and it was based on a stolen plates of theirs anyway. They tried to come up with

some links, some links the cops could make between them and the theft, but they couldn't. In the early evening, they say they smoked some celebratory Kentucky bluegrass weed. They had stashed away for the occasion. For something different? Yeah, yeah, just something special. So they're like, I think we just got away with a book cost but you stupid little f**k. The next part was and they they had already planted out. So ahead in New York baby we're going to Christie's we've got an appointment already made. So they made the 12 hour road trip the four of them in in Borsax

four-wheel, telling their parents they were heading away on a ski trip. So like they're still having to tell their parents they're alibi, isn't it? Yeah. They arrive with plenty of time to spare, getting in a town on the Sunday morning. So they had to choose their appointment,

they got in a town on Sunday. And according to Falk, that night they had dinner at a Japanese restaurant. Or maybe this is where the things were conflated, followed by drinks at the hotel bar, where Warren chummed up to an Iraq veteran, Spencer almost started a brawl, that's Reinhart. Am I having to keep doing the, you know, Warren's lipker, Spencer is Reinhart. So Spencer almost started a brawl after knocking a table of drinks over and Eric picked up a middle-aged Brazilian tourist They're living there what a weird night to do they're like I guess they're nervous about it all and they've subplied off some steam

But it feels that they all had very different nights or at least what a weird way for folk to break down their night One of them met in a rock veteran one of them knocked over a table of drinks. One of them picked up a middle-aged Brazilian tourist. It was a big night. And all it took was that she just drew a little picture on an applicant. I like it. I like our Rhyne Hard set up, but you're just assuming they're all- I'm doing it for all of them. I think the same thing. I just can't quite get past it. So I bring up.

When I put it in, I'm like, Jess is gonna really love and hate this little tidbit. Yeah. You're right, you know, you love. Lipka and Alan left the other two and staggered to the nearby China club, a tacky Westside not club, which they knew about from the famous Rick James episode of Sheppell Show.

So they do want a bit of Sheppell's show, Sightseeing. The next day, while hung over, they visited Ground Zero, then went to Scope Out Christie's ahead of the meeting before heading back to the hotel for an early night. So there's a bit of a Sightseeing trip as well. It was decided that Lipka and Reinhart would attend the meeting while the other two would wait in the car around the corner.

I think in hindsight, surely you're sending the guy who's got some experience with appraisals. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's kind of... Yeah, they've got him as soon as basically the getaway driver. That's really all he's done. And sort of bust their balls a bit. Yeah, he's furious with them when they get back in the car

anyway. So the other two wait around the corner, Lipka and Ryan Hart went in. They knew that to dress the part. That's to not look suspicious to the Christie stuff. And according to... Oh no, Tuxedo's, oh no. But also old men faces.

I mean, you're sort of in the ballpark. According to Falk, dress for success in a tailored dark blue suit is parents' bought for special occasions and future job interviews. Lipkick cultivated the young conservative look, using a winsor nod on his red tie and giving his wing tips a last minute buff. Spencer Reinhardt assembled his outfit with even greater care, starting with a 1970s Pierre Cardin, a Canary Yellow Blazer that had belonged to his grandfather. He wore a dress shirt with an ostentatiously large collar and a gold silk scarf for footwear. He went with white clean sneakers.

And for pants? Not at all. I'm... He's wearing a bright yellow blazer. With a massive collar and then a like an ostentatious skill. I love it. What a look. Oh my god.

The other guy's just gone for like, I'm a young businessman. And this guy's like, I'm a billionaire. Hello. I'm an eccentric billionaire. Hello. These books mean nothing to me because of my net worth, but still appraise them. They arrived and let reception know they were there for Beckman's appointment with Thomas Lackie, Christie's rare book specialist.

Instead, Melanie Haller and Greater Thym and took the meeting. She said that unfortunately Lackie wasn't available. They introduced themselves as Mr. Williams and Mr. Stevens, the sole representatives of Walter Beckman, who recently inherited some rare books, which he wanted apprised. It sounds like a relatively solid cover story.

I guess so, yeah. But they must be pretty good at detecting if people are, because they'll get in trouble too if they sell stolen shit. So they must be pretty good at detecting if people are because they'll they'll get in trouble to if they sell Stolen shit, so that must be pretty good. I like they would have to they would have to give the money back right and the possession so And it would just be bad for their reputation all sorts of things like that Haloran went through the items ask questions and took notes after 30 minutes the meeting ended with the pair being told

They'd hear from Haloran after she chatted to her superiors, probably lucky. Ron Hart gave her his mobile phone number to call. When they got back on the car, Alan was like, what the fuck you all yet to do was come out with the figures. You needed a sheet of paper. Instead, you've left behind your own mobile phone number. He was furious. Yeah, because they don't want to actually sell it. They want just that paper that says, this is what they're worth, take it to Amsterdam and then sell it. So now they're connected by this mobile phone number and they didn't get the thing they wanted anyway. And now they're not in the room with her and who knows what the conversations will say. Their best chance was to do it quickly. I don't know how likely that was, but Alan seemed to think it was possible.

At Alan's insistence, they stayed an extra night to try and see Thomas Leckie the following day, the rare book specialist. They attempted to call Leckie multiple times in the morning and in the afternoon, left messages with reception, but he did not get back to them. So... Oh, he's onto them. He calls it all shit. As a group, they returned home to Lexington.

What a rough 12-hour car ride that must have been. What the group didn't know was that Halleran found them super suspicious. Oh no. And she told her boss Leckie that she recommended that they don't follow up with them and just leave it though. She didn't say let's get the cops involved. And she said, these guys are dodgy. Let's just let it be.

In the meantime, the Lexington police continued their investigation. They were able to trace the email from Beckman to a computer lab at the University of Kentucky, which led them to trolling through hours of footage of that computer room, but they couldn't find anything. So I still had no idea really. Then in mid-January, Yahoo delivered all the data they had relating to the Walter Beckman Yahoo email address. They got a federal affidavit for Yahoo to release that to them. And this is what would unveil the group's biggest slip-up, as well as the phone number. They also used the same email address

to both set up the initial book meeting for Beckman at the library, but also for the meeting at Christie's. So now the cops are like, oh, these guys, they've gone to Christie's and they've done it on this date. Let's get in contact with Christie's. So the FBI went and interviewed Haloran, and according to Falk, she described one of the

young men as about six feet tall with bleached blonde hair, well dressed in a nice suit and very talkative. The other was short and quiet, wearing a yellow jacket, two sizes too large, and a matching scarf. Quote. And no pants. I could see everything, and I was very uncomfortable. Quote, he looked like he was dressed from a thrish store. Oh, I was trying to look rich and he didn't,

he didn't quite nail it. The FBI were also able to get CCTV footage of Ryan Hart and Lipkirk at Christie's and the phone number, Heart left with Haller and she still had and she passed it on to them as well. Yeah, so I just found it and said, who's this? Well, not you. Not too far off. They found out that the phone number was registered to Spencer's father, Gary Rahn Heart. And then they called the number and they got the voicemail, this is Spencer.

Oh, fuck. Oh my God Spence are you dumb shit. Don't know why he didn't change it obviously he yeah maybe he didn't realize that he'd slipped up there. I would change my eye going message. Hello this is eccentric Bill. I can't hear you I'm not wearing any pants right now. Leave a message of one of my many secretaries. Might call you back, I'm incredibly busy. Good day. I guess it would have been either what they would have just gone to is dad and gone. Who's this phone?

Oh, your son? Oh, he looks like this guy on this CCTV. CCTV. CCTV footage. Damn it. So what did the FBI do? They did an internet search of Spencer Reinhart, Lexington, and it brought up a bunch of hits, including the photo from the Lexington Carol leader of Reinhart and Lipka playing soccer.

It's a soccer guy! And they know they said, geez, these two have a real sharp resemblance with Mr. Stevens and Mr. Williams from Christie's appointment. So they were darned. They just found them on Google images. They found them on Google images. In the meantime, Reinhardt made the stomach churning realization that they'd used the same Yahoo email address for both appointments

and knew it was only a matter of time before they were arrested. The FBI didn't arrest them straight away though, instead they had them followed. Trying to live as normally as possible, they just went, we're going to live on with our lives, but it sounds like the pressure was breaking them. All of them got done for different minor crimes in that time. One for drink driving, one for stealing a frozen dinner from a supermarket. Now, one for hooning. One of them, they were pulled over when Lipka was riding on the roof of a friend's car that was feeding.

Oh my God. Hey guys, let's just try and lay low, get on with our not-lifes normal, not bring it tense into ourselves. One ride on my car, roof? Sure. See, if this is the kind of adrenaline rush they've all been looking for, Get on with that and not live as normal not bring it to us else one right on my card roof sure See if this is the kind of adrenaline rush. They've all been looking for and instead they went on a book-cast Oh no Then one day Ron Hardlypca and Borsik went to the cinemas to see oceans 12 no

No, Matthew no please tell me that's what the FBI arrest them. Please, that would be so amazing for the rest of the audience members. I'm afraid not, but they did loudly comment along as they watched. According to Borsik, it was just funny because we've been in a lot of places that they've been like. They were doing something serious, talking about the husk going over the plan, and somebody would make a joke. So we would see these parts, and we'd be like, oh, this is just like us. And they talked like that through the whole film. What they didn't realize is the FBI agents were sitting behind the phone.

No! Why? Okay. So I'm just going to say, in my mind, I was kind of trying to work out whether this is the dumbest hice we've ever covered, because've done a few we've done the dumb and dumb bandits which they got caught very very quickly. There's the loomest Fargo heist where they were taking money back to the bank that still had the wrappings of whether stolen them from the truck. And I thought there's no way to get done with those two but talking about the crime you've done loudly during oceans 12 in a public cinema That might be the dumbest thing we've ever heard You know what that would have been for those FBI agents that would have been the best day at work ever

Because you'd be sitting there so smug listening to the whole thing and just looking at it to the like These fucking idiots This is the best. Also, can I have more popcorn please? It would be hard not to laugh out loud as they were talking to you. Yeah. And then just say sorry. Brad Pitt's very funny, isn't he?

He's always eating for some reason. Anyway. So funny. Then within a couple of days, on the morning of February the 11th, 2005, a SWAT team broke down the front door of their share house and were all arrested, this from Falk. Cops entered the basement, a dank pit,

wrecking of marijuana, and found Lipka sprawled out on the mattress. He was whisked into a squad car. In a duffel bag-wise bed, an FBI agent discovered the stolen books, all undamaged, as well as the five-page tight plan for the heist, an accounting ledger Wigs instructions for opening a Swiss bank account and the stun guns which

apparently arrived after the rofflin and also assigned confession so they didn't even try to hide all this shit yeah box and lock it up or something it's like Ron Hutt said that he he figured it out And he said oh, we made this bear mistake. It's a matter of time. I don't know. Surely you go all right What how do we what do we do here? Maybe we return the books we own up surely you know you get ahead of the game You can fast. Yeah, that'll bring down our sentences, maybe I don't know I'll go right on top of the car Yes. That'll bring down our sentences, maybe. No, I'll go right on top of the car.

Ryan Hart was arrested in a simultaneous raid on his dorm room at Transy. All four were brought to Lexington Police headquarters and individually interrogated by FBI and local detectives. Faced with overwhelming evidence, they all eventually confessed. Apparently three of them did first and I think Borsich said, I think I'm going to need my lawyer as an his lawyer got there and I think Borsik said, I think I'm gonna need my lawyer, as Andy's lawyer got there and I guess he went, I confess.

Yeah, he's lawyer, what are you doing, Dickhead? Just confess. You, like you've laid it out, everything but signed the confession you've done it. As the Lexington Herald leader reported at the time, court papers alleged a plot that seems more slapstick paper than high stakes crime, thieves who barely escaped, dropping the most valuable books as they ran, who used the same email account to set up the

high-stance order goods, giving the police an electronic trail, but the elements of the crime, a stun gun, a tight-up librarian, stolen goods worth at least $5,000, means that the fall could spend up to 10 years in prison if convicted. And there was, during the court case, there was arguments made from each side about the $8 million package. They'd taken it out of its place, but they didn't get it off the property. So prosecution argued that that should count in the amount. And the bigger the amount, the heavier the sentence

it could be. But they were like, oh no, they weren't stealing the big one. So we're just moving them. In the end, the judge or the magistrate or whatever did accept that, that they weren't actually stolen, they weren't added to the cost. And they were ended up sentenced to seven years without parole. None of them dogged each other. They all had the opportunity. How you talk in court about them, you'll get a reduced sentence and they all sort of stood by each

other in that way. I thought for sure you're going to say that it was argued as to whose plan it was to try and be like, they're the ringleader. I was just driving the car. I didn't even know what I was doing. Yeah, I would. You think it'll all blame Alan because they hate him anyway. Yeah, either they all just throw Alan in it or Lippca who does feel like it did do a lot of it. I mean, in more recent interviews that I saw in the film in particular that I want to talk about soon, I was made about it. He did say, he's like, people are making me out to be the ringleader, but we're all in it together.

He sort of doesn't see it that way. And it's interesting how there are different memories of it contradict some little bits and pieces as well. So this film, what I know if you've heard of it from 2018, so it's pretty recent. I watched it last night. It's a film about the high school American animals. The film features interviews,

real life interviews with Lipka, Reinhardt, Borsik and Alan. And the Sundance website describes it as both a thrilling high film and an existential journey of four misguided young men searching in all the wrong places for identity, meaning, adventure, and the kind of life that movies are made about. It's really good film. Yeah, it is really, really good. And yeah, Lipco Renate is very charismatic as you probably expect, you know, the class clown guys, great talk and all that sort of stuff. But I, and I found Ron Hart very likable as well.

And yeah, some about Ron Hart was like, oh, I'm like, oh, really? Kind of like this guy. Ron? I kind of, yeah, they're Kind of like this guy. Rhyme? I kind of, yeah, they're all kind of likeable. Does he still have his yellow blazer? No, he just looks like a normal guy now. If he's growing into it, basically, still wearing the yellow blazer but it now fits in.

And they're still young. Yeah, so they're just in their early 30s now. And did they spend the full seven in prison? Yes. They all spent a little over seven years in prison. Oh my goodness. Do they talk about that experience at all? Not too much. I mean, in that interview that I've been quoting from a lot, Lippka was still sounding real like it ends with some kind of cringy comment like, this isn't the

last you've heard of us. We're going to do big things. Oh wow. I decided to leave that out. Now I put it in. In the film though, I want to talk a little bit about Gooch because it's a big fan. In the film, the theft scene is super brutal. And I think that's kind of changed my vibe on this whole story. I'm just like going at Hammer's home. It's like, this isn't just a goofy thing. They've traumatized an innocent woman who was just going about her business. And that scene is long and it is a hard watch. As the herald leader writes,

the notorious moment in trans-his-histories now portrayed in a new movie, American Animals, which makes it clear how central Guch was to the whole story. The heist, the trial, the prison time, the magazine pieces, the books, and now finally the film. Gooch's ordeal took what would have been a simple heist into the realm of serious violent crime. She found herself unable to talk about it for many years

and has never before spoken to the media. The trauma came not just from being tied up and threatened, but the added violations of two sacred things. The workplace she regarded as a home, and the special relationship she had teaching students about so many trans-these treasures. Gooch was initially nervous about seeing the film, but she told the herald leader in her first public interview that she watched it in her home with director Bart Layton and that it, quote, helped her heal and even reach a place of forgiveness. Oh.

What a gun. I mean, she definitely has no, there's no responsibility to forgive in my mind, but Absolutely not. No. In the films interviews with the four men, they talk candidly about their boredom with their privileged Lexington lives and the need to make a mark with even the most ridiculous of plans. Blayton also interviews Gooch in one brief scene at the end in which he concludes, it makes me wonder if they really know why they did it at all.

I thought he did a wonderful job Gooch set of Blayton. I was very nervous about watching the movie, then I changed my mind. I think he was so successful in interviewing the guys. I came away with a fuller understanding of what made the guys tick. It helped me close a door on it and have a more forgiving attitude. I think it was good for me to see the film. It was therapeutic. Forgiveness is a work in progress. I have good days and bad days, she said. The bottom line is, I don't bear the many ill will. I really don't anymore.

The bottom line is, how can you get on with your life if you wake up every morning with this huge grudge, filled with hate and all this? So she went straight back to work, but then realized, she's in there alone and it realized that it had affected her quite badly, so she needed to take a leave. And she's still feeling it,

but she's getting better as Tom goes on by the sounds of it. And she's still working that job. Wow, good legend. And what about the boys, I don't know if you're able to say this, but do they have genuine remorse for the violent part of the crime? Yeah, well, that, I mean, the way the movie goes about it, it shows that they do feel bad about it. It does feel like they've genuine remorse. And they're all sort of now

out of prison and trying to get on with their lives. Alan, who, you know, probably would be a multi-millionaire by now maybe is anyway, but he's I think he's working as a gym trainer You've got The only one still in Lexington is Ron Hart who's making a career as an artist and saw some of his paintings He's very talented Have you seen any any talented female artists? May either. Well, they're like,

Gills and Dwight class now. But Borsik is trying to make it as a writer and Lippka, as he's studying film. He's trying to work in film. Coincidentally, a copy of John James Orton's Birds of America sold at Christie's the same year the film came out. So we got an updated price on its value, now just short of $10 million US dollars.

$9.65 million. Wow. And I thought maybe just to finish on, I think this is a kind of cute thing to finish on. The same article which was the first interview with Gooch says that Gooch recommended the film to friends and family, even though it was pretty traumatic, retelling, but she thinks it's really good. Turns out that BJ Gooch, Guardian of History, is also a pop culture junkie who already knew of the young actors Evan Peters and Barry Keane who played Lipka and Reinhardt. She's also a huge fan of the actress who played her and doubt.

Most recently in a handmaid's tale, it was appeared in countless other movies. That's sort of fun. That's cute. Yeah, that would be so good. It's like, oh, I'm getting played by an actor I really love. That would be nice. Yeah, that'd be nice. I'll good chance like a legend. Yeah, big good fan. I think that library sounds like good and brand. Brand and good.

Oh my God. What a partnership. I want to visit that library. I really want to, yeah, I'm like, I want to reach out to, I imagine so many people would have sent her emails and stuff since like, hey, good, you fucking rock. You're all good. It's a sort of, it's a very satisfying ending because they didn't get away with it.

And also, obviously, Gooch was hurt and traumatized, but there was no sort of death or anything like that. And they've all served their time. It feels satisfying that I'm not like, oh, they got to worry with it or something, you know? Yeah, I think as far as how these things can go, this is pretty good. You can never undo the trauma and all that, but as good as the system works,

I think it seemed to work in this case. I wonder if, and I hope they learned too, because just for, they were just looking for a thrill basically, and they just had classic white boy confidence that they could pull off something like that. And then they didn't. I wish I had white classic white boy confidence. You do, you just don't even know. Oh my god, do I? That's the thing about white boy confidence. Oh, that's so good. Dave, you've got it too. Yeah, I pulled off several hastes.

Yeah. Yeah. Why don't I doubt myself about everything? Or is that what white boy confidence is? No, it's just worse for everyone else. Really? That is so funny that you can get inside my head like that. And know how I feel.

One other thing I should say in the film, it made it out an interesting thing that doesn't come across in the articles that are at it all. But there is some doubt in Ryan Hart's mind now that some of the things that Lipka said were true at all. Like he's like, I mean, I dropped him off at the airport to go to Amsterdam, but I didn't, I didn't see him get on the plane. And then he's also like, I mean, that demand with the ponytail. Is that just how he told me it happened or did I actually see it? I'm not even, I'm not sure now. Maybe you just took that 500 bucks. He's like, maybe he was just making up all that stuff, which would be pretty incredible. That's not

clear either way. And then Lipka's like, you'll just have to take my word for it. That all happens in the film as well, which is a weird, weird twist. And the way they do it in the film is they go back to those scenes and just tweak them a bit. And they play without a bit because they're using real interviews into the scenes that two of them will be Confused about where a conversation took place. So they'll show it occurring both in a car and at a party Because one of them remembers it at a party one of them is at a car. So yeah, it's it kind of Some fun little techniques like that are used. Yeah, sounds really interesting. Yes Sick well, that brings us to everyone's favorite

Section of the show, how do you believe? And it has a little jingle that goes something like this. I always remember the ding. The way to get involved in this is you sign up at Patreon.com slash 2.com, pod on the Cindy Shambick Deluxe Memorial edition level. is you sign up at Patreon.com slash two gone pot on the Cindy Shambick Deluxe Memorial edition level. And you give us then a factor, quote or a question. And you get to give yourself a title and you get all sorts of other bonuses, like bonus episodes, voting rights on topics.

This topic was voted on by the Patreons and this topic won on a landslide. I put up three different highest options. And this one got nearly 50% of the vote. Anyway, here are some facts, some quotes, and some questions from some of our Patreon supporters. This one is so close to a question that was asked last week. I'll say if you have any fresh ideas for it,

come from Sasha Eisenstadt, who gives herself the title of Two of Guides of the Do-Go on a Verse, or the Do-Go on Universe. And her question is, what is the strangest story you have from a job you've worked? Oh, hang on. Was that the exact question from last week? Yeah, it's so close.

What was the most weird experience at a job was what was asked last week by Nick. Oh, wow. Gosh, I feel like I really burnt some stuff here. But have you not had anything weird happens this week? Oh, yeah. Oh, Dave, you should tell the story of Booksheet. That is strange.

To me, that's strange. It's infuriating more, but it is also strange. I didn't put out my episode of book cheat this week and I still haven't. Or maybe by the time this comes out, who knows? Because I recorded with two guests, but one of the microphones of the guests when recorded, for some reason, is about 7% faster than everyone else's conversation. So I've had to manually edit each sentence that they say, and it is absolutely killing me. And twice the project is fucked up.

So I've gotten over half, I've spent over six hours of my life editing this and I still don't have a podcast to put out. So who knows will ever see the light of day? I don't think you can really can't yourself as a successful podcast until you've lost an episode. You know, all the greats of lost of them. Although you're going to say, I don't think you can really can yourself as a successful podcast until you've actually started putting him out regularly, Dave. This is not good enough. So who knows, it's King Lear and honestly listening back every when it isn't sink, I think

it's very fun and fun and that's why I do want to save it. But is it going to happen? I don't know. Is it salvageable? How about you guys, is anything weird happened in your life this would get your job? No, this is my job. We haven't done anything strange today. Yeah, this story I don't know if I've told before, but I used to do some community TV in

the mornings. I used to, for a 10 week stint, I hosted this show called Get Seal TV with Alistair Tromboy Virtual from Two in the Think Tank. And at the same time, I was working full time selling air conditioning. And so I'd go in there, I'd get up at five, whatever go in and do the TV thing and then I'd go to work for the day. And then one time I'd sold this job and it was the install that the plumber was putting in this system. And he was trying to figure out who drew up the floor plan and and size up the job and everything was for what I did and he's asking the client

He's like who can you describe the guy and he goes oh Sort of yeah, I don't know like kind of tall, lanky guy and and then Andy the install goes kind of seems like he's stoned And the guy goes yeah, yeah, that's him and And then he goes, actually, he's that guy there and he pointed at the TV and I was on TV. That's a, you're kidding. That's awesome. That's amazing. That's great.

So I think I was pretty strange. Did he clarify, he's not stoned, he just, yeah, I'm not listening to him. I promise you, he's definitely not stoned, but I give off that vibe. Yeah, this is a vibe thing. It just has a dumb voice. It's a dopey voice. He's sorry. He's sorry. Can't do any of that. How do I... Thank you so much, Sasha. Do you have any... You haven't been a triple J lately?

Oh, last night, but nothing strange happened. Yeah, you watched an episode of Escape to the Country where they didn't even move country. How weird is that? How something's international and they moved in the same state? Come on. Bullshit. Now that's strange. There you go.

That is strange. That's good. Thanks so much, Sasha. Thanks, Sasha. Sorry. I mean, it's impossible. We should be known that these questions would have been submitted before last week's one was read out. So it's impossible. Yeah, to know. Yeah, of course.

But it was a question so nice. They asked the twice. And I love that. That's a good question. This next one comes from Gary J from the UK. Given himself the title knock knock, who's there? Owen? Owen who? Owen the Saint Skirmuch and I suppose. Gary's given us a fact. and this fact is percentages are reversible. 8% of 25 is the same as 25% of 8 and one of them is much easier to do in your head than the other. Ain't maths fun. Yes, they are Gary. That's a fun fact. I wouldn't have been able to. Yeah, that makes sense. I think that's it. Well, let's just use been able to, yeah, that makes sense. I didn't accept it, I think.

So, doesn't it? Well, let's just use an example then. Okay, here we go. So, you said rabbit because of work? Yeah, no, that makes sense because 10% of 100% is 10. And 100% of 10% is 10%. Oh, yeah. That's great.

I didn't know that. I wouldn't have been able to tell you that. So GaryJay, you have blown out minds. Well done Gary. You've out, maths, the math magician. Thank you, Gary J. The next one comes from Michael Killing, who's given himself the title of director of Scones, Clotted Cream and Strawberry Jam.

Well, it doesn't specify an order, but I mean, let's assume the order that he set it in is the order that he lays him down. Scones first, Cled cream, then that. So I think we actually probably can assume that. We can also assume that he's incredibly wrong. Sorry, sorry Michael. Now you can't call him wrong now. This is his time to show.

I know that's right. Michael has asked the question, aside from the excellent books on book cheat, do any of you have a favorite non-fiction book? For example, a motivational or self-help book. The courage to be disliked has been a personal favourite of mine recently. Love the show team. Keep rocking on.

Okay, so non-fiction. Is there a book out there called How to Be White Boy Confident? That's a sh- That's really annoyed you, didn't it? Sorry about that. I didn't know. I just thought I was a funny call back there. I'm trying to find the name of it now because somehow I forgot leaving the way I only read it very recently. The book that was written that I used as a reference for the real Lord of the Flies book written by

Rutger Breggman, okay. I'm Googling as I go and I'm stalling. I'll talk for a second if you want while you're Googling. Yeah, sure. I read the Leonard Cohen, or sorry, biography, I'm your man, a few months ago, and I loved it. And what first self-help, I your man, a few months ago, and I loved it.

And what for self help? I don't, I did go through a phase of reading a few a couple of years ago, maybe like, back when I was, we're gonna selling air conditioning, my boss was right in him, so he cut me on a few. But then I read a friend, got one that I read I sort of flick through a little bit called Tools of Titans by Tim Ferris.

Tim Ferris. And I think I mean there's some stuff in that, you know, those books are the halfway between cringey and helpful. I can never quite know what to feel about it. There was some good stuff in it, I think. Have you found your one, Papa? Yes, thank you. The one that I was talking about is human kind,

a hopeful history by Rutger Brehmann. It's quite nice and it is hopeful in its sort of stories of how people, you know, it's always portrayed in movies that in times of disaster, humans act in really terrible ways, you know, but in actual fact, when bad things have happened throughout history,

humans have been really good to each other. And it's quite nice, especially at the moment when it feels like the world is ending. It's nice to be like, oh, maybe humans aren't so bad. And I'm currently also reading Claire Bodech's book, which is called Your Own Kind of Girl, and it's a memoir. And it's very nice. I'm enjoying it a lot. So, yeah.

Sick. Very nice. As for me, I don't need self-help books because I am white boy confident. So, I don't really read a lot of non-fiction or self-healthy type stuff I must say. I do love my copy of the guide to every episode of The Simpsons. So, there you go. How cool. Do you do work with Claire Bowditch? She works out of ABC Radio, doesn't she, Papa?

I think so, but I haven't, I haven't met her. I have seen her once. We were at the same nail salon, but I didn't feel like that was an appropriate time to say hello. So I like it. Oh, she looks open for a chat. She's getting a pair of cute. I'm getting a manicure. There's the time to say hello. So that's it. Oh, she looks open for a chat. She's getting a pair of cute.

I'm getting a manicure. That's the time to form a friendship. That's a good question. Thank you, Michael. And finally, the last one is from Nathan Damon. And he's written in brackets pronounced. Nathan Damon spelled the same way. Fairly good stuff. Good check. Good to check. Nathan has given himself the same way. Fair enough. Good check.

Good to check. Nathan's given himself the title, Senior Executive Partner of the Sciences Now, my second team division of Shetland Incorporated. Oh, Nathan bumped up to second team. Nathan's an Eagles fan of pretty sure. So he doesn't know pain or suffering. Nathan's what I would call what boy,

boy, he's given us a quote that's from Nathan, he writes, puns are the highest form of literature for an hitchcock. Now, can we verify that Dave? Is that a they are the highest form of literature? That's true. Wow. So hitchcock was on the money. If that seems like a fake court to me, but Dave's looking at me like, you know, it's definitely real. I would never doubt the word of Nathan.

Yeah, well, if puns are the highest form of literature, well, then Nathan Trilly is domain. All right, if we could have that be dead of it, yeah. Not please give it in. Thank you. It's coming up. It's a YouTube video here of Alfred Hitchcock. I can't, I obviously can't play it because we are recording the show, but Alfred Hitchcock

it just says puns are the highest form of literature and then there's a photo of him. So I think it might be. Oh, you're good. It's not that right. Well, that brings us to the next part of everyone's favorite section of the show where we thank a few more patrons and Justin becomes up with a little game for this that somehow related to the episode. What do you reckon is somewhere around Boppa? I was thinking of what they could steal.

Oh yeah. Fantastic. What are you gonna hast? I mean that's a bit, why don't they talk like that more? I'm gonna go hasting. You know, using more like a verbal. What's the difference? The end of the day.

You know? Between a heist and a theft. Yeah, like someone mugs you on the street. Oh, I've had my pockets heisted. I've been heisted. Officer, I'd like to report a heist. Heist in my pants. Well, if I could kick it off,

if that's okay with you two, please. I'd like to thank from Kanonara in WA, Carol O'Malley. You've been at Kanonara haven't you, Bob? Yeah, I think so. You perform there. I don't know. On that tour that you look back on, Folly? I'm not sure.

I don't know if I was in Kanonara, actually. I don't think I was. But who can say? Probably me. I should be able to and I don't think I was, but who can say? Probably me, I should be able to and I don't know. But I would like to mention that Western Australia is fucking you. It's so big.

And so free right now. Yeah. Just so free to get about. They can just go anywhere they want. And anytime, it's very exciting. But Carol, of course, and her gang highest at a pharmacy. Oh, so they're getting what we're talking behind the counter?

Are they or they just hosting from from the room? Just a few days. Conditioner. Jellybeans. Vitamin C tablets. The chewy ones. Some very cheap sunglasses. Yeah, but then some like very expensive like hair dye and stuff. So you know,

yeah, what else do they got in there? They've got all sorts of stuff like wraps for injuries. Yes. And ice packs. Yep. Oh, you got it all. Yeah. Oh, see.

So much of the stuff you need to perform a heist is on the floor in there. So they're gonna have to do a heist to prepare for their heist. Hmm. Hmm, double heist, Carol, that's what I'm thinking. Thanks so much for your support. You've been supporting us for over a year now, you bloody legend, as has from Kran Lee in Surrey, Great Britain, George Royale.

Oh my goodness. George. George. Oh my goodness. George. George. George has of course conducted a heist of royal family memorabilia. Whoa. So not like the crown jewels type stuff, but like little commemorative plates and all those sorts of things. Yes.

Love that. And yeah, just like the memento versions of all these things. Crown jewels. Yeah. Key rings. He's got like a little figurine of things. Yes, love that. And yeah, just like the memento versions of all these things. Crown jewels. Yeah, key rings. He's got like a little figurine of it. Yeah, key rings. Yeah, the crown fridge, fridge magnets of, you know, Kate and Will. Yeah. For their wedding. Harry and Megan T-shirts. He's got, he's got postcards of all the kids. Ah, George, what a hole. That's a hole. And I mean, you're not too far away,

and sorry, from making that all happen. So, what's stopping it? What's stopping it? What's stopping it? I'd love to finally thank from Footscray in the wonderful Western suburbs of Melbourne, Jessica, Elise McKee. Oh, fantastic.

And I believe Jessica is going to organise a heist of the Melbourne Aquarium. Oh get yourself a dolphin! Yeah, that's the dolphin. But right the dolphin to victory! Oh that is definitely got the setup of bad botched heist written all over it. We didn't realize how heavy a shark would be. I thought I could wrap it in a sheet and carry it down the stairs.

And he's just got like a pump water bottle just to get on the shark for a bit. Why's it stopped moving? The shark sucks. He shark's broken. He takes the shark back to his school. Says attack. Attack his bullies. Well, that's good.

That's a good one. I don't know if it is. Oh the aquarium, yes, air acting out of it. No, I love, I'm loving picture, I mean animal cruelty aside. Yeah, very much enjoying that. Bob do you want to thank a few of our great petrons? I would absolutely love to. I would love to thank from Ailsbury, somewhere in Great Britain, it's a bit of a mystery. Thank from Ailsbury, somewhere in Great Britain. It's a bit of a mystery. And so is this surname, but I would love to thank Maisie. Oh, great name, Maisie.

Thank you, Maisie. And Matt, what is Maisie, heisted? Maisie has gone into the big flower show here in Melbourne. So she's flooring out for, is it in, where's the big, no, it's in Canberra, where's the big flower show here in Melbourne. So she's flown out for, is it in, where's the big, no, it's in Canberra, where's the big flower show? Somewhere in Australia where at the same time as a comedy festival in one of the cities. We do have a fair and one in Melbourne, yeah.

All right, she's gone to the Melbourne flower show and she's, she's left with bags and bags of fertilizer and mulch. Whoa, whoa. As well as one of those prized flowers that only blooms once a century or whatever. Oh, the one that smells like corn, like a rotting horse flesh, that one?

Yeah, specifically horse flesh. Wow. Maisie, you're an awesome one. You're gonna make a lot of money from that. Great haul. Congrats, congrats on that haul, Maisie. You're an awesome one. You're going to make a lot of money from that. Great haul. Congrats. Congrats with that haul, Maisie. I would also love to thank from Canada Windra in New South Wales.

Kate Bain. Oh, Bainsy. Nice. I reckon Kate Bains. She goes into, um, and this is the perfect crime, during a big football match, she goes in and it's a tight match. So everyone's out there watching, she goes in and steals all the hot dogs, sausage rolls and hot chips.

Oh wow, but she leaves the pies alone. Good on you. She doesn't see her own right there. A lot of amongst thieves. We don't touch pies. And does she try and sell them back to the public? She goes outside where a accomplice is waiting with a little stall and she sells them all slightly cheaper and makes a killing.

Right. Because you know, I mean, there's no point in stealing hot chips for later. Everyone knows they're useless. I'm so in cold. Yeah, no good. No, thank you. So thank you very much, Kate. And finally, I would love to thank from Newport News in what's a VA for dinner? Thank you. Why don't why why can't I remember? Anyway, um, I, because I'm still doing that thing every night where I'm going to say it's that's why Jess is because you're probably Doing something with your time and I'm not I'm watching Marvel movies and playing the Sims So you know we're both using our brains in different ways But I would love to thank Zachary

Gennazowski. Gennazowski. You know what, Dave came over the top there with a little bit of white boy confidence in pronunciation. And then right. And did I know that? You nailed it. Thank you. You need that confidence. No, look, I'm saying the white boy confidence was misguided there. As it often is, I'd say. Sorry, Zachary, but thank you so much for supporting us, and of course, for

high-sting what, Dave? He's rubbing IKEA. Oh, that's a good haul. But then you got to build it. Yeah, for sure. I think, honestly, and I've just realized I've just ordered one more flat pack thing that I'm going to have to build, which is very annoying. But I think I never want to build flat pack ever again.

Wow. Okay. I hate it with a pack. You'd rather just solid. What's the opposite? I don't know. I don't know. Just things coming already down.

Do you like it? Do you like jigsaw puzzles and stuff? Fucking hate them. Yeah, right. I think I quite like puzzles, so I kind of know my I'm putting together things like that. But do you know what I've just bought myself even though I'm so confident I'm gonna hate it?

Is like a little mini, they're like, it's like a little mini doll house thing that you build, but it's a greenhouse. So it's got all these cute little mini plants in it and you have to build the walls and stuff. And I've just ordered that Even though I know I'm probably gonna last five minutes. That sounds sick though. That sounds really cool. It's gonna be very cute if I ever finish it It's a good time. Is it a good time of year for plants? Because I some of them are saying that tomato plants are good this time

Yes, I'm gonna get a little tomato plant great So I'm gonna get a little tomato plant. Oh, great. For a bloody summertime of tomato goodness. Yes, spring. Oh, even that's quesiting with a spring's a good time of plan. It's spring a good time for plants. Even my indoor plants, which have all been just doing nothing

in the last few months, and now I'll just like, hey, I've got some new leaves, and I'm like, okay. Welcome new leaves, what's up? Okay, hey, I've got some new leaves and I'm like, okay, welcome new leaves. What's up? Okay, well, I killed a little plant. I've got a small courtyard and I piss on one of the plants because I thought that was good for them. It is full dead. And before I start to piss on it, it was thriving. So I think you need to maybe get your piss, Chase. Why are you pissing outside? Was it a lemon tree? I think you could piss

on lemon trees. But I don't think you just piss on everything. If I'm out working in the shed, what are you going to go all the way into the house? What are you on, MacYak? If I'm out working in the shed, what are you doing? Fixing the car, are you dad? Recording a podcast. You didn't notice as I popped out for a whiz halfway through. It's funny. Dave, do you want to bring it home? All right, let me bring it home with three of the bloody best here from Drone Field in Great Britain. I'd like to give a big shout out and thank you to Chris Wig.

Oh, Wig. Chris Wig. I wonder if he's got any connection to the Wig's fear. Noxvilleville what a place This episode was about Knoxville now, was it? No, that's not so Tennessee. What was this one about this is a Kentucky Lexington There's an X in Lexington and there's a Kay and Kentucky and that was enough for my brain And a little bit of white boy confidence and I just went for it

I can you gotta keep doing that US state thing before you go to sleep. Yeah, I get a little work to do, I think. But Chris Wig, Matt, what is Chris Wig Heiston? Chris Wig Heisting priceless diamonds. Wow, wow. Because they're worth nothing. No, not the ones we were talking about. The ones that are actually, you know, the few at the top end, the 1% of the 1% of diamonds that are actually valuable. That's what he's taking. Those big rocks.

Cool. Hollywood-type diamonds. Not talking about mom and pop shop. Holy shit. Good on you, Chris. We actually heisten up a storm there. Yeah. He's stuffin'. He's gonna put never-one else to show. He's stuff is actually worth somethingen up a storm there. Yeah. He's stuff.

He's not gonna put everyone else to show. He's stuff is actually worth something. Sorry, everyone else. Sorry. On your Chris, I'll finally, no, not finally, I would also like to thank from Fredrick in Maryland in the United States of America, Victoria, born or Victoria, born.

Victoria, I gotta tell you, Maryland is the one that trips me up a bit. It's one of the eight M states. Dan's the one that I will forget sometimes. But it's always so satisfying when I remember. It's got a great state flag. Does it? Yeah. The luck going on.

Love that. I'll do that a look. No, you won't. I said it's like, I'll do that a lot. Sorry. Just like a board death. No, you won't. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. It's just like a board death. Oh yeah, not together. Yeah, yeah.

Well, actually, it's funny that you mentioned that because Victoria is high-sting miniature flags. Oh wow. That's cool. The ones that go on the end of limousine. And that's where she's getting them. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's cool. The ones that go on the end of limousine And that's where she's getting them. Yeah Every time there's a, oh, that's dangerous. Yeah, yeah, she's she's just like because there's always like um uh Like CIA agents running alongside the car obviously so she just runs along as well and just yanks it

She gets it. She dresses up as a CIA. Yeah She's nearly got the whole set. Whoa. All how many countries are there again? Hapes. No, 190, 670. 190, 688, yeah, yeah. Oh, more, more, more.

Can't we make a few more countries? Come on, no. What? Western Australia. It's that big. That's too bad. The good news is that there's a bunch of other countries that no one else recognizes this country. So Bob, if you personally want to recognize them, you could round it up to

200. The news. Yeah. I'm afraid that's an unincorporated territory of Denmark. So what about that one? We did a bonus episode on a while ago. Can we count that? Sea land. Sea land. But I was talking about the bonus. The South Australian one. The Western Australian one. Hut, River, Hut, Valley. I've already forgotten. I only did that a few weeks ago.

I talked about it on the radio a few hours ago. Now that was a wall ago. That's about 12 hours ago. We're in the same room together, I remember Bob. That must have been a bit. Oh. We've got a little day. Been a while.

Been a while. Been a while. Been a while. Been a while. I'd like to thank from our praisley in Scotland, Craig Mauet. I'd like to praisley like I should. Craig Mauet just in case.

I'll praise you. Of course, he is a heisting, fat-boyslim memorabilia. Wow. What does that mean? There is a lot. There's a bubble head. So not albums or anything, but all sort of the bullshit, other stuff. I think fat-boist then collects things with like smiley faces on them.

That's one of his things. So he's stealing his collection of that as well. Oh, right. There's a poster of Christopher Walken from the film clip he was in. Posted notes that say stuff like things to do for Fat Boy Sim today, and then like, dot points. That's all part of the collection, stolen by Craig from Scotland. Wow. Craig, you're a wily operator, I love it.

Well, I appreciate your own art form. That's a niche market, but he has got it covered. Good job, Craig. What is that, some call that Christopher Walken's in? Weapons of master's instruction, is it? Yeah. A weapon of choice. A weapon of choice. Craig moats weapon of choice. Heisten. So I think does that bring us to the end? Oh no, I've got it. We've actually got a few, just a couple of triptych inductees to come in this week. If you are signed up to

to support us for three years plus on the shout out level, then you get inducted into the trip ditch club. It's a very exclusive club where Jess normally comes up with a cocktail. She's behind the bar. I'm there assisting. I do the shaking part. I don't do any of the stuff that measuring and stuff because I'm too much. I love free porn. Can we do a free porn tonight, Jess? Yeah, all right.

And then Dave's always booking a band as well. What are we drinking tonight? Tonight, well, we're eating Kentucky fried chicken because this was set in Kentucky, right? Lace. Yeah, good. Have I forgotten that already? Dave, help me brainstorm a drink that would go with chicken.

Like something like, what probably? Well, like something lemon lady, like pub squashy type thing. Ooh, yeah, okay. Like a vodka pub squash? Love that. Vodka lemon lemon bitters, so refreshing. Oh, yeah.. Oh yeah. A lemon rush ski.

Yeah, a lemon rush ski with Kentucky fried chicken. This is good stuff. And who are we going to be while we're chowing down? Well, you, not believe it. We've actually got Craig Mowatt doing a DJ set where he's playing Stolen Fat Boy Slim Records. All night. Whoa.

All night. That's cool. So Craig Mowatt night. Whoa. All night. Wow. That's cool. So Craig Moher on the decks. He's not even in the Trippridge Club yet. So he's just in as a guest. What? Guest performer.

Wow. And then we shuffle him out the back. As soon as you say it, I'll talk about it. So he doesn't see anything. No mingling. That he's not yet to see. So there are, and Dave normally also works, not only books of bands, he also works as the hot man as you run into the club. I'll lift the velvet rope. Dave hyped you up as you come in.

So we've got just the hang on, what day is it today? Okay. Christmas day? Carry the two. It is the ninth of September. Jesus, the time moved so fast. So we've got two inductees today from Stoney Stanton in Leicestershire, Great Britain. It's Nick Thompson. Oh, did somebody nick my unhappiness? Because you're here.

Just in the nick of time. I mean, that's too, too cool. Do you understand Jess? That's too cool. Yes, I feel like. Yeah, maybe Jess takes over this for all next week, Dave. No, no, no, no. I've been told.

Uh, and secondly, you've got nothing to work with here, Dave. You're fired from Homestead, Florida in the United States. It's air and land. Ooh. Can't wait to take off. Oh, all right, fine. Five. Okay. Well, I thought it was pretty good. That is good. That is good. Dave, are you forfeiting the role?

Yeah, Jess, if you want to do it. I don't want to do it. I love watching Dave do it. It's the best. Come on Dave. I'll give you another runner. How many more? This is the last one from Homestead Florida. Come on Dave. In the United States, it's Aaron Land. Touchdown! Oh, no.

Oh, no. Ashland. That's fair. Yeah. All right. You got the job. You can keep it. Mainly because Jess doesn't want it, but still, that brings us to the end of the episode.

Thanks so much for listening. This was a bit of a longer one, I think. This could be the longest one ever, do you think? No, I think. Oh, I don't know. Anyway, it's been fun and we've learned a lot. We've laughed a lot. We've lived a lot.

Great story. A wild story. Thank you, Matt. Well done. Thank you so much. I think once all the ums and ahs are added it out, this will be down to a nifty 45 minutes. And yeah, I guess Dave, people should just stay tuned on the book, Cheap Feed. Hopefully you'll have one coming out soon. Yeah, that's right.

Prime mates, still coming out with recaps of the Umbrella Academy, where me and Evan are going back and watching those episodes. And the new episode of Listen Now will have just come out about the classic dad rock band accidentally came out on Father's Day evening, Diostrates and their album, Brothers in Arms. And yeah, that was a real fun episode. So check all that stuff out. It falls on the social media. Is where are we again, Bob? We do go on part on everything and at gmail.com and dot com. Yes. Can't get around. With that seamless explanation, you should be able to find us

very easily. There'll be links in the show notes. It's the same with the YouTube channels also do go on pod. It's all do go on pod. Anyway, what a pleasure it's been. Always so good to hang out with you to my obvious friends. Uh, day Buddha's home. Well, thanks so much for listening, and until next week,

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