Two In The Think Tank - 258 - The OJ Simpson Trial

Episode Date: September 30, 2020

Late on the evening of the 12th of June, 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman’s bloodied bodies were found outside of Brown's Brentwood, California home. In the early afternoon the following day, famous retired footballer and actor OJ Simpson was taken in for questioning and eventually charged with the murders. The ensuing trial gripped America and the world. This is that story.Vote for your favourite topics in our BLOCKtober Poll: https://www.eSurveysPro.com/Survey.aspx?id=243c265b-9d4b-4888-8564-ae83816df815Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 8 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our web series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2TuMQ31VXvqqEus9Bo6FZW-dDY5ukEuh Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/oj-simpsonhttps://www.britannica.com/event/O-J-Simpson-trialhttps://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/o-j-simpson-acquitted

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Happy block Matt and Jess, happy block to you too. No, no, no. Well, actually, if Matt had just let me jump in, what I was going to say was happy block. Oh my gosh. What are you up to that? You two are fucking pieces. Yeah,, yeah. Yeah. I, well, tradition states that the oldest man in the room is the first to wish happy block. That's true. Well, I reckon there's people at home asking two questions. Number one, what isn't block in October and it's the end of September? And number two, what

the hell is block? Yeah. A few questions, but we will not be answering them. So... Jess, I'd love to hear you try and answer, because I don't know if I can fully explain it. I know it's the third year of block. Yes. And block started, well, three years ago, where... Okay. So what we did was we got people to vote on the topics they wanted to hear. We sort of make block a big blockbuster, see as what kind of what we're thinking. Oh, blockbuster tober.

Blockbuster tober. That makes sense. There was also blockbuster tofer grace in there for a while as well. Block tofer grace period. I think it was at one point known as. Yeah. It's a confusing title, but basically we open it up. I mean, we all have our topics, or most of them are requested by listeners.

These ones are voted on by people who listen, and so it's sort of the most requested, big blockbuster topics. Yeah, so I put together a short list, which I didn't even count them up, but it looked like there was probably a hundred topics up there. Yes, I did. And they were all from either recent suggestions specifically for blocktober by patrons or just the most frequently requested topics in the hat and then put them all up to the vote. And October this year's only got four Wednesdays and we release the episodes on Wednesdays,

Australian time. But we thought, let's annex that 30th of September. It's basically October anyway. So close. From now on or at least this year, September 30th is known as October 0. And that means we get to do five block topics this year. And this is the first one we're going to do today and it is my topic. So it's the fifth biggest, most requested, most voted for a topic of the year and each

week they only get bigger and more requested. Because you got thousands of votes, didn't you, Matt? Yeah, thousands of votes. I think it's the world's biggest music democracy, I think, is what it's known as. No, it's hot as 100, isn't it? But this is much like that, only not music. Yeah. And probably a fair bit small.

This is the world's biggest blockbuster tober related events. Yes, that's right. The flag, I'm absolutely. Yeah. I'm pretty sure anyone who was confused before is probably right on the page with us now. That's all made quite a lot of sense. It's the five most requested topics of the year, almost. Yeah, we wish. When I asked Jess, I should have asked Dave.

Yeah, what were you thinking? Let's get Jess to do it. The one who talks good. You do it for a living. I don't know how I do it for a living. They, they like it. I don't know how I do it for a living. You do it on that your radio presenter, this is your job, Dave's job is sitting in a booth in a dusty room, looking at videos for Friday funnies to tell Peter Helio about as far as I understand.

Yeah, that's what I understand his job to be. I don't fully get it though, because if I'm at the radio station and I have nothing prepared, I can bullshit for a couple of minutes and throw to another song and look, look at my playlist and be like, coming up in 15 minutes time,

I'm gonna be hearing the latest from Taym in Paola. That's right after the... Well, I don't do quite such a commercial radio voice because we're incredibly cool at Triple J. But here, you ask me to speak and I got nothing. How many times on the text line do you get? Hello, please explain what Blackbuster Toe Bums. Honestly, a lot.

Wow, okay. Yeah, there's a lot of crossover between Do-Go-On listeners and Triple J listeners because they're all rad dudes. Well, it is a pretty long topic that I've got today and only beat the six most popular topic by two votes. It was so close. Wow.

I was watching and I was refreshing going, I got to start researching soon. I got to draw the line somewhere and when it drew, and when it drew its lead up to two, one wasn't enough for me, but when it got out to two, I'm like, that's an unassailable lead. I'm ready to call it here. So this is the fifth most voted for topic. I think we'll probably leave the poll open. So the top four can shuffle potentially week to week. We'll see. If you want to vote, there'll be a link on our social media. This is social media.

You know, it's already plural. All right. good start. I probably should fare warning. This isn't gonna quite be like those episodes where I embarrassed myself by having a few to many beers before I had, but I wrote this report all night and then I had a two hour nap and then I kept riding it all day. So I'm a bit delirious. Yeah, but you'll be okay.

You've got this. Thank you so much. We'll support you. So this topic, you two know basically what the top four are at the moment because we have to figure that out, but this one you don't know what it is, so I can actually ask you a question. You ready for this? Yes. What 1990s criminal trial was known as the trial of the century?

Is this OJ? It is OJ. No, why? No one is saying this is a big topic. Yeah, this is huge. And how much are you going to talk about Kim Kardashian? Oh, I don't mention it, but that'll be great. If you have anything to chuck in, because her dad has mentioned a few times,

or at least a guy with the name Kardashian. Yes. Yes. Did you not pick up on that? No, I figured it out well. I couldn't fully remember if it was uncle or dad, but I knew there was some connection there. He's got the great Mr. Sheffield sort of

gray streak in his hair. Yeah. He's almost like a real life Sheffield, which is nice. So yeah, this is a big topic to longest report and it could have easily been way longer. Wow. If I had more time, I would have just kept riding, I think. But hopefully this satisfies people. There's a lot going on in it.

Yeah. There's one of the many reports I've done where I've been a little way into it and I've gone, I've been off more than I can chew. This is above my pay grade. There is so much involved in this that is over my head. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's so much racial tension at the heart of it, but also all sorts of American legal

stuff that I don't get. Yeah. And fully gruesome murders, which I won't go into the details of too much. But anyway, let's get into the report. Late on the evening of the 12th of June 1994, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman's bloodied bodies were found outside of Brown's Brentwood, California home. In the early afternoon, the following day, famous retired footballer and actor, bloodied bodies were found outside of Brown's Brentwood, California home. In the early afternoon, the following day, famous retired footballer and actor, O.J. Simpson,

was taken in for questioning and eventually charged with the murders. The ensuing trial, gripped America and the world. For the name like trial, the century, you probably would assume so. I should say it was suggested by a bunch of people. Obviously a big topic. I just scanned through the hat and these are the names I found. Sorry if I missed you up, but Sibha, also known as Sigurd Bjorg. Sibha.

Sibha. I even got it wrong, the easy to pronounce nickname. What about that? Sorry, Sibha. Favorite Icelandic listeners right there. Yeah, Sibha. Favorite Icelandic listeners right there? Yeah, Sibba. Sandy Ty, our favorite Australian listeners. You've put us in the corner where we have to say this for everyone.

Sorry, there's an Icelandic audience. All of these people are our favorites. Basically, we don't have that many Icelandic listeners that contact us with topics of fair bit. So we could say that about Sibba, but everyone else, it's a little bit harder, sorry. A few of these people were so keen on it that they suggested it multiple times. I think Sandy was one of those people.

Keith J. Ross also did that. Stefan Prince, Izzy Klein, Keith O. Hogan, I think that's a garlic name that will definitely not be pronounced like that, but that's phonetically it looks like Keith O. Hogan, Jack Richard Kramer, Aaron Wolf, Bob, Roy Phillips, and Matt Olson. Wow, that is a lot of suggestions. Okay, so I've set you up there.

I'm gonna take it back to real brief biography of OJ Simpson to kick us off. Okay. Do you know what his name actually is, what the OJ Simpson to kick us off. Great. Uh, do you know what his name actually is? What the OJ stands for? Oh, Bediah. Joe. And a Spig.

Well, I mean, it's a, it's a, you may as well have a guess, right? Dave, any ideas? Oh, no, I do know what's one of this tremendous. A clue is the middle name is everybody's middle name. John James. Oh, James. I love a guest, right? Dave, any ideas? No. I do not know what's one of this dreamy stuff. A clue is the middle name is everybody's middle name.

John James. Oh, James. James, yes. Is it looking at two people whose middle names are James? And I was like, no, it can't be helped. Most popular name,

most popular baby names for the last hundred years I read recently. James. Oh, James. For boys, I guess. And oh, not Oh, Jay. He's not a nerd. No, you won't guess it. If youno-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no But I've been fine. Who that actually leaps, isn't it? Yeah. Is it an actor that your auntie likes? Yeah, it's funny. He's shortened it to OJ, isn't it?

According to biography.com, at the age of two Simpson contracted rickets, leaving him pigeon toad and bow legged. You have to wear a pair of shoes connected by an iron bar for a few hours, almost every day until it was five years old. Pretty amazing. He went from that to a superstar footballer. Yeah. Simpson displayed immense promise at Gridiron for Galilay high school. Galilay, though is Galilay, though is poor grades. Initially impeded his chances of joining a major college football program. After overwhelming the competition at the city college of San Francisco, it was admitted to the University of Southern California as a half-back. There he became a superstar of college football as biography.com continues.

Simpson first gained fame as a two-time all-American half-back for the USC Trojans, setting NCAA records and winning the Highsman trophy in 1968. Do you go just before I read this next paragraph? The important information is, you know what rushing is in Gridon. Um, obviously, yeah, I do. I'm in the camera. But for absolute noobs who might be listening and don't understand, you may as well explain it anyway.

It's basically when the, and I'm a relative noob to football. Oh, I use flame. So apologies if it isn't spot on, but I- He means relative to us. Basically, relative to us. When the offense runs the ball forward rather than kicking it or passing it, you know, a quarter back will normally throw it.

Yeah. Sometimes if they just take the ball and run, that's called a rush. See, like gain territory kind of thing. Yeah, that's right. So how have you take the ball and run, that's called a rush. See like gain territory, I think. Yeah, that's right. So how have you moved the ball forward is fine, I think, sometimes everyone's on side or whatever, but it's just if you throw it and a runner gets through, you're going to be able to make more territory easier, whereas a runner has to get, you know, carry the, I think that all may. Anyway, so this next paragraph mentioned his

sum of his great rushing stats. So I thought I better clean that up before we get into it. He just has bad time management. So he's always bloody Russian. Always Russian. I need to get over there on the field. Well, you should have done that earlier. Yeah, okay. Maybe if you manage your time a little better, you'd already be there by now. Put it on that earlier. Yeah, okay. Maybe if you managed to tie him a little better, you'd already be there by now. That's a good bit.

I'm sure great iron fans have grew up with jokes like that. Surely. For newcomers like us, that is fun stuff. That's good stuff. That's joyful. Simpson joined the professional Buffalo Bills in 1969, but did not excel until the offense was tailored to showc cases running.

Nicknamed the juice, Simpson topped a thousand yards rushing over five consecutive years from 72 to 76, and led the NFL in that category four times. In 1973, he became the first NFL player to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a single season. So it was sent in world records. The running back also established league records, which have since been broken, with his 23 touchdowns in 1975 and 273 rushing yards against the Detroit lines on Thanksgiving Day in 1976. So it was a, it was like a pioneer.

It was taken what a running back could do to the next level, if that is what his position was. And his nickname was the juice. The juice. Which honestly at first I went, why? Yeah. Despite two minutes earlier going like the juice. It's funny, I don't think I don't think I connected that for a long time either the juice. It's a funny nickname And it's kind of lame. I want you to know how he got it There's something fun about it if it was mysterious the juice love that love it Because you initials are oh Jay got it. It's like being nicknamed Bob because someone who's initials a JP It was also known as the Bob big Bob. Yeah, it is equally cool, it's been called Bob, you're right.

Very weird specific example. Yeah, I don't know what that is. What that is a reference to. Simpson married Marguerite L. Whitley, or Whitley, on June the 24th, 1967, they had three children together. Simpson also retired from professional football in 1979, which was the year that him and his wife

split. During his playing career, he would also do some commentary work, and that continued on during retirement, particularly on Monday night football, which is like the, I think it's one of the big nights of watching football in America. During his playing days, Simpson also embarked on an acting career, starting out with a bit parts like airplane passenger in It Takes A Thief and on looker in Onside, in 1968, before moving on to larger roles such as Garth in the 1974 film The Clansman, which was a film starring Lee Marvin and Richard Burton and in it Simpson played a man framed by police for murder. Right. Poor shadowy. Poor shadowy.

You would also go on to be an onlooker many, many times. Perhaps his most famous role, though, was Nordberg, the dim-witted policeman in the naked gun trilogy, opposite star Leslie Nielsen, classic films. While still married to Whitley, or Whitley, Simpson met Waitress Nicole Brown, and the two began dating soon after. This from biography.com. Brown was born in Frankfurt, West Germany,

on May 19th, 1959. So about 12 years younger than OJ. I think OJ was about 30, she was about 18 when they met. A grandmother, Judith A, had met husband Lewis while he was stationed there as a correspondent for the American Armed Forces publication, Stars and Stripes. The couple initially set up life in Frankfurt where the Browns had two girls, Denise Annacole, while their daughters were still toddler's though, the family moved to the United States settling in the home town of Garden Grove, California,

which I've heard of, because of the sublime song. Okay. Sounds like such a nice spot. I have no idea or anything about it, but that song is nice, and the name is very nice, God. Yeah, but sometimes I, you know,

some of it was like sunshine have ruined that illusion for me. I don't know. I like sunshine have ruined that illusion for me. I like how I like sunshine. Sunshine's fine. You aceed arseholes. Sunshine's a beautiful western city. Just give it a chance. Go visit, get out of your little bubble and give the western chance.

And your farm, west is best. No, I like my little bubble factor. I prefer to be Camper Well, emphasis on the well. That's a good niche stuff there, Dave. Brown had no problem adjusting to California. This is still from her biography.com biography. The blonde beauty gravitated towards the beach as a young teen.

I think I'd specify this is from biography.com because I would be weird for me to be saying stuff like that just like from what I've learnt she was a blonde beauty gravitating towards the beach as a young teen and was named homecoming princess or princess at Dana Hills High School. Can be queen. Yeah what does that even mean? Homecoming princess. Have never heard of that even mean? Homecoming princess. Have never heard of that before. Well, if I've learned anything from watching never been kissed again recently, you have the homecoming court. So you don't just have king and queen.

You also have princesses and princes. I don't think you can go. Accurate. No, I don't think so. Oh, they're just runner up sort of. Yeah. Interesting. So it's a weird system.

Is there like a gesture as well? Yeah. Is there a court gesture? Is there a hangman? Is there a bard? Does someone play the loot? How accurate are we making these things? I don't get homecoming or the King Queen. I'm the homecoming peasant. So by the age of 18,

Brown had begun working as a waitress at the Daisy and upscale Beverly Hills Club, it was there that she met Simpson, who was married at the time and in the waning years of a hall of fame football career. By all accounts, the two quickly fell for each other and soon began dating. Simpson divorced his first wife in 1979 and in 1985, he and Brown were married at his palatial home in Los Angeles in the neighborhood of Brentwood. That year, the couple welcomed a daughter Sydney and three years later. They had a son named Justin. So he's got like five kids? Yes. Three with his first wife?

Yes, I feel I think one of his his one of those passed away quite young, but yeah Brown was reportedly a devoted mother still from biography.com. She issued nannies Insisted on taking her children to dance and karate lessons and welcome family into her home for holiday events and birthday parties Along with her familial duties Brown started a small interior decorating business L. Judy's, Brown started a small interior decorating business. Only a real go getter. The marriage however was far from Serene. Simpson wasn't just unfaithful, he was abusive.

Friends and relatives would later account seeing bruises on Brown's body. There were numerous incidents, including the 1989 New Year's Eve party, in which the former football player allegedly threatened to kill her. He pleaded no contest to spousal battery, but suffered little in the way of consequences. So this all happened in the years prior. And I don't know how much news it even made. Because it says that he just really there were, it was a slap on the wrist and there weren't any great consequences that came from it. Did they remain married? They did not, not the whole way through, but they did at that time.

Right. I believe. Sounds like a pretty awful situation for a cow. Yes. For Nicole, yeah. The police were called out a lot of times and often, yeah, no charges were laid. That time there were. And then apparently he brushed off the incident in an interview with ESPN in terms of him

pleading no contest to spout a battery. This is what he said in an interview. We had a fight. We were both guilty. No one was hurt. It was no big deal, and we got on with our life. And then she filed for divorce in 1992. So yeah, he really downplayed us. Downplaying something you pleaded no contest to.

Two years later. Two of those guilty. No. Yeah, we're both guilty. That's, uh, odd logic there. Yeah. So they divorced in 1992 and then two years later on the 12th of June, 1994, she was found dead beside her friend, Ron Goldman.

Earlier that night, Brown went out for dinner with friends and family at a restaurant named Metzeluna after attending her daughter Sydney's dance recital, which Simpson also attended. This was also where her friend Ron Goldman worked as a waiter at Metzeluna. Brown's mum accidentally left her glasses behind at the restaurant and when they realized this Goldman offered to drop the classes off to Brown's house. Okay. Because I was sort of friends anyway. And yeah, I don't know if it's important, but Simpson wasn't invited to this dinner. Feels like obviously not, but he was potentially upset by that.

While the Browns were eating at Metalino, Jay Simpson was instead ordering some burgers from McDonald's for dinner with a friend and house guest Kato Kaelin who was a bit part actor, sort of surfer dude guy. Yeah, right. Later that evening, Brown's pet dog, a white Akeeta, am I saying that right, dog people? Yeah, it's like a Japanese breed. Are they the really fluffy ones? No, what do I think he has? Yeah, they's like a Japanese breed. Are they the really fluffy ones? No, what do I think of? Yeah, they like have the...

Well, they're fluffing the body, then they have the tail that sort of goes up like a... Yes. I don't have to describe that. Tail that goes up. I forget that I could see the hand just... Yeah, that's what I thought. Goes up like a crescent moon over there.

Yes, yes. I would have said a banana. That name was different. But I'm not a poet like that. I'm not a dog. You're not a dog man. Curls up like a crescent moon on a clear spring eve. That's dead. Brand pet dog, the water heater, was found by a neighbor, barking with blood on its

paws. And the dog led the white akeeta, was found by a neighbor, barking with blood on its paws. And the dog led the neighbors to the bodies. Faa. So the dog had obviously found the bodies and it's like, you know, it's got a paws bloody because it's, you know, it's his own, or it's, you know. So that's obviously full on for the dog and the neighbors. It's always so amazing when animals,

but it's often dogs do stuff like that. Like go and get help. Yeah. You know, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, it almost makes me think dogs are all right. Wow, we almost got him. That's big. No, dogs are all right.

I got no problem with dogs. People with dogs in their house, those houses often stink. That's all I'm saying. Probably depends on the dog. I'm thinking of one friend or is it me? Yeah. Is it me? Hang on, hang on. Dave, you won't have us over at your house. Yeah, that's no one. Name names Dave. I want to bring you around because I'm worried about I'm coming to go, oh, P you. There's someone smell.

I'm coming to go, oh, P you. There's someone smell, waxed. Oh, that's not the line, is it? There's someone smell. Why do I smell, what doll? Why do I smell, what doll? I haven't even seen it. I just know it because you say it. That's why I only reference to that entire movie.

And yet about once a month, that phrase just comes into my head for no reason. And it's mad doing an impression. I don't even know what the original person sounds like. Are you sure it comes in to your head for no reason. And it's mad doing an impression. I don't even know what the original person sounds like. Are you sure it comes into your head for no reason? Or is it because you're dark sticks? No, no. It's because you got a stinky dog. That's because I-

Or is it because Daddy Wallbox is visiting? I know that wasn't the thing to take away from what you just said, Matt, about the dog finding people who had been murdered. No, I thought the same thing, because I've never had a pet, or a pet dog at least, got a cat. Cat's so quite cute, has pets, I don't think. But you just pissed off dog owners and now cat owners as well.

Come on. I think cat owners know what I'm talking about. But yeah, I'm pretty ambivalent to pets. I didn't grow up with any pets. I'm new to this game. Anyway, this isn't about me and pets. But if the cat found you dead, it would not care. No, you know, you've got to go find another feeder. Yeah, exactly. It wouldn't go get help. At a dislocated slower jaw. And snake like slowly. He just told me how. He just told me how.

Yeah, it's going to be a weird, a weird report where we have these stupid tangents and then go back to. Anyway, the police arrived to find a gruesome scene. The bloodied bodies of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman who had both been stabbed multiple times and were in a real poor state. They also found a bloodied glove, a woolen hat, the glasses Goldman was returning in a white envelope and a lot of blood, heaps of blood, including some little spiders of blood which they were confident were from the murderer.

Oh, and this is outside. This is outside. Her front door is open. No sign of four century. She's just come down to the bottom steps and that's where the body's found right out the front. Gotcha. And then there's blood from a potential killer, maybe.

Yes, most of the blood is from brown and goldmins, but yeah, there are droplets of other blood that they're like, this looks like, from where it's positioned. That was like to me, I'm like, how would you know that? But that's what they do. They, if I learn anything from the couple couple of episodes of scene from crime scene investigation, it is always put on your sunglasses after you say a cool thing. Or take them off if you can't do it. You can take them off too.

So they also found a bunch of footprints, bloody footprints that have walked through the blood from an going everywhere. These were human footprints in big size 12 boots. Wow, dogs wear big boots. Sorry, I'm trying to find some light. That's a big dog. I'm trying to find some light in a pretty grim situation. Sorry.

Dogs are clever. They're putting everyone off the sand. I wear big. They're like, I know what I'll do. I'll wear human shoes, not any human shoes, big human shoes. As if a dog could wear big human shoes. That's what they'll say. That's what they'll say. But in actual fact, I'm a dog wearing big shoes. And all of a sudden, the cop walks in, it catches them in the act. Dog on hind legs. He's a lot. Try to untie him.

Around 4.30 a.m. the police head to Simpsons rocking her mansion to inform him about his ex-wife's death. When they arrived, though, no one responded after they'd pressed the intercom multiple times. So he lives in this huge mansion property, big gate, big property, multiple entrances on different streets, noticing blood on Simpson's Ford Bronco and the fact that it was parked on an awkward angle as if parked in a rush, they decided, even though they never weren't, they were going to enter the property. So homicide detective, Mark Firm and jump the wall and then I'll unlock the gate to let the other officers in. The police later argued they entered without a warrant because they feared someone else may be injured inside. So there's plenty of things in this case that are contentious where the defences say that seems pretty dodgy, especially because the defences are gonna argue

they planted evidence. Right, yeah. And they didn't have a warrant to plant that evidence. Is that the problem? Yeah, that's right. You need a warrant to plant that evidence. When inside, they spoke to Kailyn, the surfy dude, a bit part actor who was staying there.

Kailyn told the police that at approximately 10.50 pm, he heard banging outside his guest house. When Detective Firm and went around to see what might have caused the banging sound, he found a second bloody glove, the match the one found earlier near Goldman's body. Simpson wasn't home as he had flown to Chicago just before midnight to play in a corporate golf event

the following day. He was checking into his Chicago hotel room in the early morning around the same time the police arrived at his house to find that second glove. Simpson was driven to the airport by a limo driver named Alan Park. Park couldn't remember seeing Simpson's Bronco parked out the front of his place where it should have been during the time of the murder. Even remembering that he could see the number on his front gate, which would have been obscured if the Ford Bronco was parked there, supposedly. So some would say that proves that the Bronco wasn't there, maybe it was off at the murder scene

at the time, whereas Simpson said, no, I didn't never left the property. I was never in the car. So the driver park also pressed the intercom. Also got no answer. So he had a cigarette and just waited. And he was waiting for quite a while. He was also later testified that while he waited, someone resembling Simpson, same height and build,

arrived at the mansion from another entrance, about the same time, Kaelin heard the banging outside his guest house. Not long after Simpson came out to meet Park, apologising, saying he'd over-slipped. So the shady figure enters from the other entrance, goes inside, then Simpson comes and goes, oh, so there. I've just been here all along. I was asleep. You're just wearing his pajamas? Yeah, he's wearing his pajamas over his murdering clothes.

Allegedly. It's good to say, allegedly. Right, but the driver thinks. I mean, this is all based on, I mean, he didn't say it was Simpson. He couldn't see his face. He said, it looked like it could be Simpson from a, you know, quite a distance away. But the Bronco, he doesn't think that Bronco was there at the time. Yeah, that's right.

Um, I don't, yeah. And I guess he's not thinking I've got to be paying attention all the details. Of course. When I hear these, so I'm like, why don't he go over and see if the Bronco had arrived now? It's like, he didn't know to be looking for that. No. It's amazing that he remembered what he did remember. Park also testified that Simpson packed four bags for his trip, but wouldn't let Park touch one of them. So he could load three in a

power and be one of them. It's like, no, I don't touch that one. That's for me only. Okay. When Park drove Simpson to the airport, he recalled Simpson sweating and complaining about the heat, even though it wasn't a hot night. James Williams, who was working at LA Airport that night, testified that Simpson only checks three bags for his flight. From so one of those bags gone missing, obviously. And from this, the police deduced that the fourth bag contained the murder weapon and bloody clothes, which Simpson had must have dumped before his flight. I wonder where would he dump it though? Like, airpods pretty hard.

I suppose maybe it's a little bit different now days. People are a little bit more security conscious, but you can't just obviously leave a bag somewhere in an airport anymore. Yeah, exactly. That's what I thought as well. And they did speak to the prosecution, spoke to someone who said they saw him emptying the

contents of the bag into a bin. But for some reason, they didn't call on that testimony trial. So it makes you wonder how strong it was if they're not going to use it. But there's all these decisions that are made during the trial as well. Where they go, if I do this, there's a consequence on the flip side. That'll mean this other evidence will also have to be brought in, which will help the other side. So there's all these decisions I have to make all the time. Yeah. And it seems like the prosecution especially made the wrong calls on numerous occasions in this

case. After speaking to police about the death of Brown Simpson, so he's on the phone from Chicago, Simpson told them he'd get the next flight home. The police then returned to Simpson's mansion at 10.45am, now with the search warrant, and they found more traces of blood around the property as well as in his Ford Bronco. By midday Simpson arrived home where he was taken in by police for questioning, he was cuffed and taken in. Obviously, all things were pointing towards him as the culprit at this point. Over a period of a few hours, Simpson gave pretty vague answers. For example, when the interviewing detective noticed a cut on Simpson's left hand that was consistent with where the police believed the murder

would have been cut based on the blood they found at the scene. Simpson claimed he'd accidentally cut himself while in Chicago. Then when Lang, the detective told Simpson blood was also found in his bronchus, Simpson changes story saying, oh, he cut his hand on the same day as the murders, but couldn't really remember how. Oh. Okay. The detective didn't push Simpson on this though and he was released after agreeing to voluntarily give a blood sample for comparison. There's people who criticize these detectives and this interview, they did. Like this is your one chance to talk to him. You should have nailed him down on some of these questions.

Don't let him be vague. Make him answer properly. And they didn't do that. Their logic was that they needed to get the photo, they needed him to cooperate to get the photo of his cut, to get the blood sample and these sort of things so they would go on softly, softly with him. We're playing good cop, good cop. Yeah, I think that's right. And others are saying they needed a little bit more bad cop

in there to get something happening here. If I even, even a small paper cut or, you know, like your Nick something shaving, I'll tell anyone who listened. And now I realize that that's great because there'll be so many witnesses to say, no, no, I distinctly remember her complaining about that for about 20 minutes. Just after she murdered her dog. Yeah, yeah. I remember saying that.

And then she just wouldn't talk about it. And all I was just like, okay, can we get back to why the fuck you murdered your dog? And she was like, paper cat, paper cat, paper cat. So I remember very clearly. Wow, I was paper the murder weapon. That sounds awful for the dog. Yeah, it's a story.

That's a story. I've got not hurting any dog ever. We love dogs. Well, most of us love dogs. I know, I love dogs so much that I let them roam free in the jungles or whatever. I don't confine them. Yeah, where they come from. Yeah, or my small bungalow, like, do you live in probably Dave? Do you live in a small bungalow day? Yeah, close enough. I live in the pool house of an even wealthier person. Sandy Kohler.

Yeah. That is a good pool house. Like, if you lived in Ryan's pool house, you'd be pretty fucking comfortable. It's better than my apartment. I think maybe you're probably picturing something kind of like O.J. Simpson's house. Is that what he's really a big, big, nice, neat place? So it sounds like it. And it was Kato was in the pool house. Yeah. A guest house. Is that what he's really big, so it sounds like a cave. And it was Cato was in the pool house.

Yeah, the guest house. Imagine having a big guest house. And not just an air bed in the lounge room floor. Imagine. Wow. That'd be cool. And then you can go out and get McDonald's whenever you want. Oh my god. I imagine being able to go out and get McDonald's whenever.

Cato was living the world. And the way you said it was like there were eating multiple burgers each as well. Yeah, that's what I can't remember. It was you said, the way you said it, it was like they were eating multiple burgers each as well. Yeah, that's what I can't remember. It was one of the documentaries I watched. They said they went out and got burgers like 3, 8, or something. That's the biggest crime here.

That's what my boyfriend will always do because he doesn't want to eat chips because chips are unhealthy. So instead he'll just order two or three burgers. Nutricious burgers, that's smart. Oh, when I was a kid, I had real basic taste. I got junior burgers and I, as I got it, became a teen, I was going to McDonald's by myself. I'd buy like five junior burgers.

And just sit there with this bag full of junior burgers. A weird thing to do. I'm just eating bread, basically. Bread and beef. That's all I need. I'm good. It's all about that gerk and pickle. On the 15th, Simpson hired defensive attorney Robert Shapiro as his lead council. A couple of days later on the 16th of June, Simpson attended the funeral of Nicole Brown Simpson with his children. Must have been quite full on for everyone else. Yeah, because they all know that he's under deep suspicion, right?

Yeah, well, super well publicized. This is all big, big news. He's a superstar, like a real massive mainstream superstar guy, who's a huge, hugely popular footballer, or any crossover into entertainment. And those like those naked gun films were pretty big. I think I have vague memories because I would have only seen them after they came out on video or whatever. And I remember watching one and and they're being some talk about the Nordberg

character and it would have been about this stuff and I just wouldn't have understood it. You know what I mean? Oh right, they met a reference. Adults going, adults watching along. Yeah, saying, oh, funny seeing him in a film or something like that. And it not making sense to me until you're being like, yeah, this film is funny. Yeah. Yeah, Nordberg, what a funny name. On the 17th of June with the evidence mounting, including results from DNA test coming, Sutton to come back, Simpson was about to be charged with two counts of first degree murder. Rather than

be arrested, those Simpson's lawyers Shapiro negotiated with the police and agreed that his client would surrender to them by 11 a.m. Apparently this was unusual for the police to allow, in these sort of cases, they would normally just arrest the murderers or the accused murderer. They wouldn't be like, yeah, come in. Come in when you're ready. 11 o'clock that sounds like you've got a massage beforehand. You know, I don't cancel that. Oh, yeah, no, no, no. They're terrible with those things. If you don't give 24 hours notice, it's not a refundable. Oh, that's awful. I mean, they're crooks. They're the real crooks here. We should bloody bust down there and arrest them, but no,

dude come in. Yeah, I see it. I'll let you see it in a little bit, mate. The logic was that he'd followed, it was no flight risk. He'd followed everything they'd asked to. He gave blood. He flew home from Chicago when he said he would. They saw him as very low risk. Apart from anything else, he's one of the most famous people in America. Just where would he go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were wrong though, of course.

He did flee. Oh shit. This is one of the most famous parts of the case, which I didn't know much about. I just knew the idea of it, the car chase. But anyway, this is, Yeah, that's all I know very few did. I'm sorry, let's let you tell it.

The white Bronco car chase. Yeah, the Bronco, is that the same Bronco as the one that was out there for... It is a different Bronco. So many Broncos, man. These are the only two Broncos I've ever heard of when they're both in the same store. When you listen to the Bronco at the start,

I'll say, oh, that's when he's gonna drive away. Oh, no, different Broncos. That's not. Yeah, I was surprising to me as well. So they just, how many his mates love broncos. Okay. He was also a representative for Ford. He had a lot of corporate deals,

like he was the face of one of the big rental car companies as well as Ford and all sorts of stuff. That the golf day it was going to was for a rental car company thing. Right, okay. He was good at selling stuff. He was on lots of ads, movies, TV, he was everywhere. Wow. After the 11am deadline passed, they were told to be 1145, then that passed. Who's telling them? I'll be 1145. He was hanging out with all the lawyers

at an undisclosed property, I believe it might have even been the Kardashian house. Yeah, they were just hanging out there. And then just hanging out. The lawyers all went upstairs apparently, this is what they say, and then, and he was downstairs, and then he was gone. The last I saw him was with his friend and former professional football team mate,

Al Callings or AC. So yeah, they were off and AC also had a Bronco. Oh my God. At 150 PM, the police announced that Simpson had not surrendered for a rainment, they scheduled and was now a fugitive. By 3 PM, district attorney Gil Gassetti told a news conference that anyone helping Simpson to flee would be prosecuted as a felon

Quote we will find Mr. Simpson and bring him to justice Someone at a press conference one of the reporters said Are you you've been embarrassed about this and he said I'm not embarrassed. I'm angry He said who are you angry at like this sort of thing you fuck this up You angry someone in your team and he goes no I'm angry at. Like he's sort of saying, you fuck this up a little bit. Yeah, you're angry at someone in your team. And he goes, no, I'm angry at OJ Simpson. You know, the murderer who's on the run.

Who we let go, basically. It's weird when a criminal does something. I mean, at this point, he hasn't even been found guilty at this point of these murders, so. But I mean, also what do they always say, like innocent people don't run? Because if you are, you definitely look more guilty now.

Yeah, that's right. That's my hot take. It's another thing that I don't think they hammered home too much, the prosecution didn't hammer home too much in the case. There was stuff, which I'll talk about soon from evidence from the car that they didn't want to bring in because they thought it would maybe also help the defense. Which is interesting, but I'll make that clear in a second. At 4.45pm, the police issued an arrest warrant for cowlings as well, the friend. At 5pm, Shapiro held

a news conference at which friend of Simpson, Robert Kardashian, read a message from Simpson, which sounded a lot like a suicide note. It began. First, everyone, understand I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder. It was quite long. I'll just read a few bits from it. It also said, I think of my life and I feel I've done most of the right things. So why do I end up like this?

I can't go on. No matter what the outcome, people end up like this? I can't go on. No matter what the outcome, people will look in point. I can't take that. I can't subject my children to that. This way, they can move on and go on with their lives. Addressing the media Simpson wrote, I know you have a job to do, but as a last wish, please, please, please, leave my children in peace. Their lives will be tough enough. The note ended saying, don't feel sorry for me. I've had a great life, great friends.

Please think of the real OJ and not this lost person. Thanks for making my life special. I hope I helped you all peace and love OJ. Wow. Far out. Yeah, so that's pretty full on, obviously. Yeah. And so Robert Cardassian is just reading that to the out. Yeah, so that's pretty full on obviously. Yeah. And so Robert Cardassian is just reading that to the media.

Yeah. So a big media scrum. Everything to do with this case has huge media packs involved. Yeah, but nearly an hour later, Caling's called 911 from his forward Bronco. I've made a note here. Ford was one of Simpson's many corporate partners. He was a spokesperson for them from 1975 until the day of this car chase. Wow.

Right, so after that, they didn't want to be able to do it. That's interesting. He brought some bad attention to their product, actually, I think. Isn't there a John Mulaney bit where he talks about that he, the thought they stopped manufacturing the Bronco because of this? Oh, that vaguerings a bell, but I don't remember it for sure. Yeah, I won't try and butcher it, but look it up if you're curious. I'll find a clip and maybe post it through in the week on our socials to go on pod

and put a Instagram and Facebook. Matt saved the plugs for later. He said this is a long report. His call was traced to the F freeway in Orange County, near Lake Forest, which is where Nicole Brown Simpson was buried. So it seemed like that's where he was heading. And this kicks off one of the most iconic and slow motion carchases of all time, because they're not driving all that fast once the cops find them. But the cops also never try to cut him off or anything like that. They hold back. Kind of like, I think more like what car chases happen these days, whether they're police

or more wary of not causing accidents. And apparently that was a bit strange at the time, but anyway. What people were expecting like the blues, brothers to go after them. Yeah, yeah. As well as the police Simpson was also being followed by news helicopters with nearly 100 million people watching the footage live at home.

A hundred million. A hundred million, I think, was what they said. According to CNN, on TV, the chase was simply inescapable. All of the broadcast networks and CNN carried every bit of it live, even non-news cable channels broke into their regular programming to show portions of it. On NBC, the chase produced the most bizarre split screen ever. On one side of the screen, the next and the rockets battled

for NBA supremacy at Madison Square Garden. On the other, the white Bronco inch down a Los Angeles freeway with police in non-hot pursuit. Due to the coverage, it's funny when they, I guess that's them going, we're gonna lose viewers to this car chase if we don't show it on the screen. But it feels like, surely, there'll be some people who just want to watch the basketball,

but I guess the viewing figures say different, everyone wanted to watch the car chase. But not at the expense of also watching sport. I want, but... They say Patrick Ewing and those next is like a split screen of like play school on one side and then the company. Sesame Street Elmo's on one side. Oh, Jay,

it's up for everyone in this channel guys. Due to the coverage thousands of people gathered on freeway overpasses to watch the chase roll by. That's so weird. Men ill gets, if you thought that just them watching is weird, many of those gathered made banners in support of Simpson with slogans such as Go OJ Go, which was a slogan from his hurts rental car commercials. And according to the LA Times, other screamed, the juice is loose.

Oh my God. That's terrible. Yeah. It looks like LA, the footage is wild. Oh my God. That's terrible. Yeah. Why did you do that? The footage is wild. They're just huge crowds. Looks like music festivals all the way. They'll be crowds rushing ahead once I knew that

where it was heading. The streets were crushed with people. Oh my God. Yeah, I guess no one really knew anything of the facts but they're already, you know, coming out in support of him or not, the power of celebrity. Speaking to the police, Cowing said that Simpson had a gun to his head and asked the police to back off.

He also said that Simpson just wanted to see his mom. After a 60 mile chase at around 8 p.m., they drove the Bronco back to Simpson's Brentwood home when Negotiations for his surrender occurred. So this is where his street is packed without the people. But did he pull into his own driveway? He just went home. Yeah.

And there but he still had the gun like he was holding himself hostage basically. Oh, sorry. This is so unexpected. Yeah. Yeah. After all that, he just went home. Yeah. The last place they think to look.

Well, I think he kind of, he let them know that was what was going to happen. This is all part of the negotiation, I think. Because this, what team had to arrive there ahead of him? There's a five-part special on ASPN, a 30 for 30, which covers it, which has got a lot of great footage. There's so many documentaries about it, to be honest. And then I haven't seen it,

but there was apparently quite a good dramatization of it with David Schwimmer playing, maybe the Kardashian guy. Yeah, he played Robert Kardashian, but he played it like Ross. He did say that he only has one. I haven't watched it, but I imagine it because yeah, and everything I've seen him in, I'm like, okay, it's Ross.

But Ross, he's my favorite character on the show. Fuck off. Is he really? That's fun. Ross, he's no one's favorite. Oh, he's gonna love Neverhood of Neverhood. He's the funniest one. Have you watched it back now?

Everyone else seems like they're trying pretty hard, but I don't know. Right. Is that? Is Flabberg up? Who's your favorite, Jess? Ross Sucks. Favorite, I don't know.

I mean, it's a show that I appreciated in the 90s, but watching it now, I'm like, never too much. I must say, I've never been a diehard fan of it or anything. but yeah, but when I watch like little clips and stuff that sometimes pop up on your Instagram feed that people, you know, just upload like minute and a half scenes, Ross always seems to be the funniest one to me. That's interesting. I would have said like Phoebe or maybe Chandler.

And then later in my life, I appreciate Rachel more. But I don't think it as a show holds up all that well. And Ross definitely has some of the the worst storylines just in terms of him being like so outrage and disgusted that his ex-wife is gay now. Okay well can I just say I haven't seen every episode and I've said that. I feel like I put myself in it a bit here. I'd say that, I mean, with that to one side, comedy doesn't tend to age that well. Things that can't find funny changes all the time.

But we did a whole episode on this. We must have had this exact same discussion. I'm sure we did. About Dave loving Ross, but I don't recall it either. I've never heard of that. So I think it's, I'm into David Schumer. I think he's, I think he's pretty good. Well, I do already listens,

but if he does, sorry about that, David, just do it off the hand comment that- You're in a small group. I don't think you're a great actor. Just you swimmer and Kroiki guys kid. Don't say that name. I get tagged in so much stuff. By this point, she must know I hate her.

Because people just openly tag me in her posts. I'm sure she's, she definitely seems like a real in-dawzy sitting on the computer top who'd be fretting over Twitter. Yeah, I reckon she would do it. I reckon she definitely know who I am and she'd care about my opinion. Bindi Owen. Would you call her the David Schwimmer of her family? Yeah, easily. Bob is the chairma. What a character. Bob's the best.

He's Bob anymore, crocodiles. Bob's great. He's enthusiasm. Anyway, sorry. What's happening now? So he's driven back to his home. Yes. Continue speaking to the police.

He just wants to speak to his mum and the negotiations go on. He's sitting in the Bronco and his driveway for about 45 minutes I think. Is the French saloon le cas? Yep. And then I think yeah I'm pretty sure he is and then he was the driver. So Simpson was in the back the whole time and the the police agreed that he can go and sign and talk to his mom on the phone. He goes in, he does that, and he has a glass of orange juice.

And when a police spokesman realized this to the waiting media, they laughed out loud. That weave. Oh, gee, has just called his mother. And also had a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice. They just love it. Laughing. squeezed orange juice. I need to stop laughing. But why does the media need to know what he's had to drink? Just saying he's just on the phone to his,

he's had a phone call with his mum and will update you with any other relevant details. Yeah, we're not sure what he's drinking or eating at the moment. He's had a glass of juice he has attended the rest of the facilities, not sure at this time, whether it was a one or a two. I will get back to you on that. That's the job you should do. You should be some sort of a C.J. Clark, whatever name is from West Wing. Craig. Craig. He should be a Craig. Soon after Shapiro arrived at the house and Simpson surrendered to the police.

The Bronco was searched in it. There was around eight grand in cash found, as well as a change of underwear, a gun, his passport, and a disguise kit, including a fake beard and blue. Honestly, if you went out to my car now, you'd find all of those things. So nothing's ringing any bells for me right now.

Always be prepared. What, you guys don't have spare undies with you at all time? Grow up, you guys. What are pockets for? Well, Matt and I actually have the opposite. We actually carry a shabber with us at all time. Because take away our beads,

we look completely different. Especially me. Both of you are equal beads, yes. The prosecution never brought up what was found in the car at trial. Sorry, what? Wouldn't you be like, so he was fleeing and he had a disguise ready to go. He was clearly on the run and people who were innocent don't tend to do that. But did they tell the jury that he had a glass of orange juice and the media? Yeah, very fulfilled.

People have been on that. And when the jury, one asked, Pope or no, Pope, they replied, Pope. The only way, in my opinion, yeah, I'm Pope. Pope, you're going to have, if you're not going to have a little bit of fog in there, what are you doing? Just having a sugar drink. Yeah. One glass of orange liquid sugar. Places.

I recently had double pulp. There's the nudie. Oh, you take the pulp of the pulp free. Yeah, nudie juice. They obviously take the pulp from the pulp free, put it in a special one and you pay extra, but you get double pulp. You need a spoon for that. Yeah. That is a thick juice. Can I get a knife and fork for this juice? That sounds fast to be honest. Yeah, I gotta say I overestimated the width of my esophagus and regret it the whole way. Yeah. So I think somewhere I read that the reason why they didn't bring in some of that evidence from the car was that it would have brought into play the recordings of OJ's phone calls to 911 and they thought that hearing him in his fragile state like that, the jury would have found sympathy for OJ Simpson. Oh.

You know, he's calling, he's saying, he's a broken man, he's sounding like, yeah, they were worried that it was gonna make him seem more sympathetic. Okay. But I don't fully understand, and I might have missed something here why bringing in the evidence of the fake beard and stuff

would then mean the defense can bring in. It's like it's all grouped together. And I mean, nobody thinks that during this entire time, he's on top of the world. So I think even if you go, if you can if they do hear the recordings and go, wow, he was in a really bad way, he also had a disguise kit and he's passport

and was so clearly on the run. That feels like pretty important evidence to then not use. I wonder if he's passport. I don't know if I'm not sure if it was a real or fake passport. I assumed it was just his passport, but if it was fake. That kind of the disguise doesn't really make any sense then, does it? Imagine being like a household name and trying to use a fake password. I mean, you underestimate the beard kid. He's got the glue there.

He's obviously worked it out. He's got a passport with a man with a beard. His name is Joe Simpson, J.O. Very different. Don't you also underestimate the fact that, you're not going, I expect I will see O.J. Simpson today. You'd be like, oh, this guy looks a bit like OJ Simpson. Yeah, looks like.

Does anybody ever tell me he looks like OJ Simpson? No. No, I don't get through. I love the scent. Yeah. According to biography.com, this is a bit of a fun... I was going to save this for a fun fact at the end, but I thought let's just get it in while it's hot and relevant.

I'll tell you mid-report if it's a fun fact. Okay, great. So according to biography.com, the Bronco from the car chase received multiple offers from people wanting to purchase it, straight after the chase, saying, after it's two hours in the spotlight, the chase vehicle was sold by cowlings to a company called Star of Facts for 75 grand. And the car was worth about 1800 dollars. But Simpson's former agent Mike Gilbert intervened when he discovered the company's intention.

Saying, we found that the company was going to rent the vehicle to a company in LA called Grave line tours, the visited famous graves. This is what Gilbert talked about, ESPN. They were going to re-enact the chase with the Bronco and then take people to Nicole's grave. Oh, you sick fucks. I've just realized halfway through, this is definitely not a fun fact.

The bit about it selling for a process maybe, but yeah, the rest is grim. The trial hadn't taken place yet, and we didn't want people thinking anyone associated with OJ did this. That was Gilbert's logic for stopping the sale, and the car ended up just being in a garage, hardly being driven for the next 10 years or something.

Wow. So yeah, I'll grade that myself, Jess, not fun. Yeah, now, good instincts there, Maddie, and I'm very proud of you because over the years under my chute-alitch, you've got a very keen eye for what is in fact fun. And that one, quite grim.

Yeah, but Matt's almost the opposite of a fun fact. Yeah, you get grim fact. Yeah, he started his own thing. You've seen what you do, Jess, and he's like, well, maybe I want my own thing. I'm going to bring in grim facts about the topics. And we support that for you, Matt. That's really great.

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pleaded not guilty to the murder charges. Or as he would say the next time we have to tell the judge whether he was guilty or not, he said, absolutely 100% not guilty. Okay, well. Under California's speedy trial law, a defendant is entitled to a trial within 60 days of arrangement, usually though most defendants waive that right in order for their defense team to have more time to prepare. In this case though, Simpson's defense team were keen to get things moving as fast as possible, believing it would give them an advantage at trial.

Would that be, I wonder if that's then, because it also gives the other side less time to prepare this. Yeah, exactly. So it's tactical. Normally, a defense isn't made up of, you know, a big team of high profile, highly talented defense players. And even as it was apparently, they'll have to work through the night to get this ready. So most defendants would just, they need the extra time. So that's why they would normally

wave that right. But they thought, let's get this happening quickly. They've got less time to get evidence together. They've less time to build a case. They've got to prove that wear guilty, not the other way around. So that was why I went that way. The team he put together was a real crack squad of lawyers. As well as Shapiro, Simpson's defense team included Johnny Cochran, who would go on to take the lead chair from Shapiro, Simpson's friend Robert Kardashian, Eiffelie Bailey, who was the best cross-examining lawyer in the team, Alan Dershowitz, Barry Barry Shek who was another one of the stars Peter Newfield Well, I think I believe these were all just top quality expensive lawyers Some great names in there too loving yeah Barry Shek is an old time

Individually these lawyers were all brilliant, but together they would become known as the dream team is the third dream team We've covered on this show. That's what the media called them. I guess it was around that time where Dream Team was a big term because it wasn't too long after. It was at the 92. 92, yeah. Yeah, so this is now in 94.

Yeah, right. Moving in at 95. The Dream Team wasn't cheap though and reportedly costs Simpson $50,000 a day. That is a lot of muller. That's a hot tamar with. I'm using that phrase correctly. I believe so, yes. Oh, great. Fantastic. But I'm under the assumption that being the NFL superstar and all these deals, he's got the money, right? Is he rich? Rich and a big mansion and he does have quite a bit of money, but I don't know if he quite like I don't know if he's earning more than 50 grand a day, so he might be operating at a

loss here. I'm not sure. I only say that because to help pay for this, he sat in his cell signing autographs that his team was able to sell to merchandise companies. Sometimes it would reportedly sign thousands in a sitting. And during the time of the trial, he apparently made about $3 million from autographs. What the fuck? Also, major hand cramps, hey. Yeah.

Because you're not, oh, no, back then you probably did do a lot more hand riding these days. We're just not as used to it. We don't do it at all. So anytime you have to ride anything, it's like, oh my god. So that's all I'm thinking about. Well, with a 50 grand a day. And didn't do it at all. So anytime you have to write anything, it's like, oh my god. So that's all I'm thinking about. With a 50 grand a day.

And did you say they have a trial within 60 days? Well, those use 60 days covered three million bucks. Bang. Easy. That's some quick math. God you're good. But suppose the trial may have gone on for multiple months after that, so.

They found clever ways of getting around having like heaps of footballs and jerseys in the cell with him, which wouldn't have been manageable. So, when I say team, I don't mean his football team, but he's like his entourage or whatever I guess, they would bring in either like one panel of a football and then they'd put the football together afterwards, or they'd bring in one number off the back of a jersey that he'd signed and then that number would be sowed onto the jersey. Leading the prosecution was Marsha Clark, according to Bography.com, an ace trial lawyer from L.A.

from the L.A. District Attorney's Office. Clark spent years in the special trials unit, which involved some of the most complex investigations before becoming the lead prosecutor of the Simpson-Murder trial. Along with Clark, the prosecution was Christopher Darden. biography.com says, despite being a co-possicuting attorney with Clark, Darden had limited trial experience. Still, as a black man amid a majority black jury, I'll talk about how the jury was selected shortly, His participation was important, so as to dismiss the notion that the otherwise all-white people prosecution had racist motivations against Simpson. Also, he was a token Black person.

That's what it does to our like, it was a strategic choice. Joining Clark and Darden were successful prosecutors, Hank Goldberg and William Hodgman as well as DNA experts, Rockney Harmon, George Clark, and they were assisted by Prosecutor Lisa Khan. Lisa Khan! Lisa Khan! Lisa Khan! Khan! Oh, Khan! Great, that's great. They go lighten that up. You can cheat on a bit of fun with that.

Yeah, you really lightened up me reading a list of names. Yep. You had a little bit of fun to it. It's what I do. Fun to do anything. I truly can. Race was a big element of the case and seemed to loom large in the minds of the prosecution, potentially leading to tactical errors being made according to famous trials.com,

which is a resource that I quite enjoyed and do quote a bit from here on in. Famous Trials.com, love that. For the prosecution, the biggest mistake of the trial may well have been to file the Simpson case in the downtown district rather than as normal procedure in the district in which the crime occurred in this case, Santa Monica. Implausibly, the prosecution explained its decision as an effort to reduce the commuting time of prosecutors and a better accommodate the expected media crush. That's how they explained away their decision.

More likely, famous trials suggest, the decision was a political one based on concerns that a conviction by what would be a largely white jury in Santa Monica might spark racial protests or even rights similar to those that occurred following the trial before LAPD officers accused of beating Rodney King. The prosecutors probably believed that their case against Simpson was so strong that even the more racially diverse jury likely in downtown LA would have no choice but to convict. So they're basically saying any jury, we've got so much evidence that any jury is going to find him guilty. It looks better if the jury isn't all

white. Yep, okay. The optics politically. That's so that's what this website at least is suggesting. I don't think anyone said that on the record necessarily, but perhaps they have. Vincent Bogliozzi, the celebrated prosecutor in the Charles Manson case, said this era dwarfed anything else that a fence did. Here I can see this was their fatal flaw. Just if they had it in Santa Monica, it could have all been different according to Vincent. Putting together the jury was a big job. In October of 1994, Judge Ito began interviewing more than 300 prospective

jurors. Due to the high profile nature of the case, potential jurors were excluded if they violated the judge's strict rules about consuming media. Apparently one juror was excluded for watching cartoons with their kids and another for waking up to a clock radio. What the fuck? Are they worried that they're here too much about OJ and bring in prejudice? Yeah, maybe if the 10-inch Mutant Ninja Turtles were playing and they'd written in some sort of a fictionalized version of the OJ trial, I guess.

Yeah, I guess I'll worry about. Did they notice something you see there? Like, so that's why the media can't comment or has to say allegedly or can't go into details of a case because then it can manipulate the opinions of the jury. So instead, they're trying to find hermits who have never consumed any kind of media and therefore haven't been swat. That's so confusing.

You watch cartoons, you wake up to a clock radio, no thanks. What do you mean? It's like, eh eh eh eh. Good morning, it's 7 a.m. in OJ. I read it like that. I read it like that. I read it like he wasn't excluding them

because they had done that at one point. He excluded them because they were in, he said, no media or something. You're doing a media blackout. And then they did that During the process. I don't tell why I read it, but I might have read it Yeah, no that that makes more sense Sorry, I was definitely interpreting it like from the get-go It was like how do you wake up in the morning, but I yeah, I do understand what you mean there exactly okay

All potential jurors were also asked to fill out a 75 page questionnaire Which some complained about as it took around four hours to complete with questions supplied by both the prosecution and defense. I've read a few other questions. There's some pretty strange ones, but they're about all sorts of different things. And yeah, some complained as well, some are quite personal. I've pulled out some examples here. For instance, are you a fan of the USC Trojans football team, which is where Adesimson was a star? I suppose it's a fair question, yes. Have you ever dated a person of a different race? Yes or no? If yes. How did you feel

about it? What do you mean? Yeah, no, it's such a weird question. If yes, how did you feel about it? Well, to be honest, it was a bit of a messy breakup. And I miss him every day, but that's fucked. I said I wouldn't cry during this question. Yeah. But honestly, if you know Darren, can you tell him I miss him? Because he's blocked my phone calls.

What do you think about this one? Have you ever provided a urine sample to be analysed for any purpose? Yes or no, if yes, did you feel comfortable with the accuracy of the results? Yes or no? So they're trying to figure out if they trust science kind of I Think that might be the defense because there's a lot of DNA evidence against them So they find a few people who are like, no, I didn't believe the urine sample results. They'd be like, well, this, they could be good on the ureth, maybe.

I went to the doctor one time and they made me take a urine sample to test if I was pregnant. And this test said no, and I didn't have a baby at all, but I'm not sure if I believe those results. I'm still waiting. Yeah, I think I'm just having one of those elephant pregnancies where it takes like a really long time. Maybe I could have even been the prosecution, I guess, who are trying to figure out if the opposite was like, do you trust results of your son? Do you believe in DNA?

Yeah, that would have been, and the, let's just get to the point. Another one was, do you think using physical force on a fellow family member is sometimes justified? Right. Yes. Okay. Do you own any special knives other than for cooking,

such as hunting or pen knives? And this one I think is probably, they should have just lead with this one. Would you like to be a juror in this case? Yeah, that's question number one. It's crazy. Because it's like, if no, don't worry about the rest. Yeah, don't insist.

Skip to the end. You go through more than you get to that one, you're like, oh, no, certainly not. Oh, god. I eat it. I definitely call them guilty no matter what. During the selection process, both prosecution and defense are able to make paremptory challenges, which basically means they can veto potential jurors

who they don't think will give them the result they want. According to the University of Missouri's website, though, Tony's can exercise their paremptory challenges for almost any reason, body language, appearance, dissatisfaction with answers, but not for reasons of race or sex. That guy smells too good. It's going to be very distracted in court. Oh my God.

It's like a cinnamon if you've been baking yum. So basically anything at all, but not sex and not race. You're not allowed to exclude jurors for these reasons. But you can absolutely still do that and say it was something else. I guess so. And according to the survey, it sounds like you can deny people based on the race of the people they've had sex with. So that's combining both of them. Yeah.

And how they felt about it. And how did you feel about what do you mean by that? What the hell? Every challenge by the prosecution of a potential black juror calls Cochran, who was now the lead attorney for the defense, Cochran would approach the bench and suggest that the challenge may have been racially motivated every single time apparently.

The tactic may have worked to disway the prosecution from challenging some black jurors. It was no secret that the prosecution wanted white jurors and the defense wanted black jurors. This is still from the Missouri University of Missouri website. Despite defense survey data suggesting that women generally made better defense jurors than men, prosecutor Clark willingly accepted a disproportionate number of women jurors. She reportedly believed wrongly as it turned out,

the female jurors responded well to her courtroom style. The defense poured great effort into the jury selection process. They're highly respected jury consultant Joe Ellen Demetrius, coordinated massive data on each of the jury finalists, including their answers to the questionnaire amongst their body language and all sorts of other things. And this data was put into a computer, and each jury ranked according to their likely sympathy for the defense. So they did it very scientifically, and the defense really used his research.

On the other side, it sounds like Clark went a bit more with gut feel that she believed she could convince women jurors, even though her information was we should not necessarily go down that path. By November three, this is still from the same article, by November three, an initial jury of 12 had been selected and the University of Missouri website lists some of the interesting facts based on its makeup and their questionnaire answers.

For instance, of the 12 jurors, non-regular read and newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows. Five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member. Five out of 12. All were Democrats, so no Republicans. Five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police. Nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete. What's that got to do? So that was a question. Do you think he's, that OJ is less likely to be guilty because he's a professional athlete?

I'm guessing it would have been, do you, it would have been more like, do you respect athletes and entry, more willing to trust him or something like that? Oh, maybe because if it was that blatant, surely, surely the prosecution wouldn't have let nine people through who said that. Surely. But she's acting on gut. She's acting on gut feelings. She didn't even read the survey.

She's like, I'm a really good judge a character just on looking at people. I get a five and a spell. She was her interviews in the ASPN documentary are pretty entertaining. But yeah, I mean, I just, I felt so much pressure for both, like all of it just felt so full on. It's all so life and death.

People who do that job, it's wild. And it feels like it's, sometimes you watch it, you know, and it's not like on TV, where it's all beautifully written and stuff. You're like, geez, there's some funbly stuff here. There's lives at stake and this lawyer is sort of not making a lot of sense. And then it's just up to 12 ordinary people to make the decision. What's going on? Yeah. That's a weird system. Why should make all the decisions? No, I don't want that either. What pressure on the jurors as well. Pressure on judges?

Fuck, I know. It's such a full on thing. We do have a few, I reckon we do have quite a few lawyers listening to this show, a few judges, that sort of stuff. I have a radio segment where I just have to judge the best story that someone's told. And that sometimes fills me with anxiety. And I go, have I chosen

the right one there? What am I doing? So I can't imagine when it's like, I'm sent it's like someone to death. I mean, how do you feel good about that? That's what happens to the people that don't win the segment there, right, Jess? Someone wins. I got killed them. And then the other people die. Yeah, so it's really on them for participating, because it is obviously they volunteer their story. So they really back themselves. It's high stakes, but it's fun. It's a lot of fun. A lot of fun. The next chunk I got from this website, I don't know if you've heard it, it's called Wikipedia. And it's a fun sound. It's often it's the kind of website that you might doubt a little bit, but it seems to have a really good

breakdown of the prosecution's case, so I'm going to use some of that here. But I mean, all of this is so big. Every section of this, you could talk about for two hours. I've got to know when to draw the line. I think we passed a half way mark though, so. Well done, you're doing great. And then on two hours, sleep, you're crushing it. Yeah, I'm going to be crashing it, mate. Well done, you're doing great. And then on two hours late, you're crushing it. Yeah, I'm gonna be crashing it later. You're gonna end up talking about this report longer than you will have slept on the report. That'd be pretty good.

Oh my God. The prosecution argued that the domestic violence within the Simpson Brown marriage culminated in her murder. Simpson's history of abusing Nicole resulted in their divorce and him pleading guilty to one count of domestic violence in 1989 as we discussed earlier. On the night of the murders, Simpson attended a dance recital for his daughter and was reportedly angry with Nicole because of a black dress that she wore, which he said was tight. Simpson and he said that to a few different people

apparently. His ex-wife was dressed as too tight and that made him angry. Simpson's then girlfriend, Paula Barbieri, wanted to attend the recital with Simpson but he did not invite her. After the recital, Simpson returned home to a voicemail from Barbieri ending their relationship. And the prosecution was sort of suggesting this was one of the triggers. He just been broken up with by his girlfriend, he's feeling jealous about his wife. This is the story that sort of trying to tell. Because her dress was tight. Yeah. And he was jealous. He wouldn't be able to pull off such a dress or. Yeah, yeah. He's got,

yeah, he doesn't have the figure. I'll get the figure Simpson then drove over to Nicole Brown's home to reconcile their relationship as a result and when Nicole Refused Simpson killed her in the final act of control. That's what the prosecutor said Ron Goldman then came upon the scene. It was murdered as well. So he was just the prosecution's case says he Unluck unlikely just disturbed a murder and got murdered as well. Wrong place, wrong time, Curtis. Yeah. And also a jealous ex-husband and a man walks up at night to her place to innocently return some glasses. Yeah. Oh, that's awful. Still from Wiki, the prosecution opened its case by calling LAPD 911 dispatcher Sharon Gilbert and playing a four minute 911 call from Nicole Brown Simpson

on January the 1st, 1989, in which she expressed fear that Simpson would physically harm her and Simpson himself is even heard in the background yelling at her and possibly hitting her as well. Oh, shit. While she's on the phone to 911, the officer who responded to that call, detective John Edwards testified next that when he arrived, a severely beaten Nicole Brown Simpson ran from the bushes where she was hiding and to the detective screaming, he's going to kill me. He's going to kill me referring to OG Simpson. Pictures of Nicole Brown's face from that night were then shown to the jury to confirm his testimony. That incident led to Simpson's

arrest and eventual pleading of no contest to one count of domestic violence, which he received probation for one year. This was what they thought was going to build their case. I was showing, he's not this celebrity up on this pedestal. He's actually a domestic abuser and he's and that has led to him killing his ex-wife. They had planned to present 62 separate incidents of domestic violence. However, the prosecution after they did address this for quite a while. It's a really long court case, but they eventually dropped the domestic violence portion of their case on June 20, 1995. Marsha Clark stated it was because they believed the DNA evidence against Simpson was insurmountable,

but the media speculated it was because of the comments made by a dismissed juror, Jeanette Harris. So during all this jurors are being dismissed and replaced as well. There's ones that can sub in. So for different reasons, the judges kicking them out. Maybe they watched cartoons with the kids. All woke up to an alarm clock. You know, like an idiot.

I was sure I had that set to alarm. So anyway, this dismissed juror, Jeanette Harris. She spoke to the media after she was dismissed. So in America, the jurors talked to the media a lot. Some I didn't think I really realized, but after trials and stuff, they'll explain their decisions. They'll do TV interviews and stuff.

There's someone on them is here. I don't think we do even know who the jurors are. I don't think I've ever seen an interview with a juror. No. No, I don't think they're allowed to here, but I'm not. I've also never been called up for jury's here yet. No, I neither have. I have.

I have. You have. Did you, you didn't do it? I didn't get picked. It was a gangland murder case. Oh, damn. And because of that, they, uh, Melbourne CD undergoly. Yeah, totally. So it of that, they, uh, Melbourne, Citi, I'm going to go. Yeah, totally.

So I was a gangland, uh, killing, and they brought about, uh, you know, 120 of us in for potential being pulled up because it was going to be such a long case. They wanted a really big pool of people in case that people, for various reasons, couldn't do it. And then, um, yeah, I watched, uh, 12 people or whatever get picked,

and I, thankfully, I didn't have my thing called out. But the guy who was standing accused is right there. Like, you know, look like a pretty scary character. The self-portrait that out of your head, if you obviously picked. But it's funny, because you say the people get picked. And both sides get to be able to pass on, you know, a certain amount of people's mats been saying.

But in this instance, they're doing it live in the room, going past. And the people are like walking into the jury box, like really, really go to slow motion, hoping that they get past me, past me, past me, and I'm in the chair, I can pick dumb picks. Oh, damn it, damn it, damn it. They just sort of hoppers over the chair for a second, last chance, last chance. All right, I'm in the jury. And you're not allowed to do anything that's blatantly trying to make them not like you're right.

You can't be like, hey, look guilty as you're walking past the side. You can't just be slipping on the chair. No, but you are allowed to go up and talk to the judge and say, why you shouldn't be picked, like something like, hey, actually, that's my cousin. I can't do this. You're right. Yeah. So you're allowed to say, actually, that guy looks like my cousin. But then the judge gets to make the decision like, oh, no.

Or if you say, I've got a kid at home, I can't be away for three months or whatever, the judge thinks about and goes, no. You're in. Yeah. I would say I work in the media and I will be blabbing about this. Oh, they also read out your job title.

Oh, you have talked about this because wasn't your job title like entertainer? Yeah, I was 20 or something. So as a kids party entertainer, the way I made money and then yeah, so the reader to run, make sure you're there. So they'll be like, yeah, match to it, pharmacist, great, just Perkins. You couldn't even think of a fake job. I was gonna say lawyer, but you can't do it then.

Not really. That makes sense. Just Berkins. Ness, Dave Warnocky, Entertainer. There's a little bit of a laugh in the room. Pass. What a wanker. Entertainer, they're like, I've never seen you.

Which they said, Santor impersonator. Yeah, that'd be good. And then you stand up. Everyone looks at this old guy with a beard and like, well, that must be him. No, it's a scrawny kid. He's off on the professor. How dare you? Yeah, right? Anyway, Jeanette Harris was this dismissed juror and from what she said, that's what the media thought, oh, this is why the Clark prosecution has changed tact and they've moved away from the domestic violence stuff. And Christopher Darden, who was Clark's lieutenant,

basically, later confirmed that this was true. This is why she did. Harris was dismissed on April 6, because she failed to disclose that she was a victim of domestic violence from her ex-husband herself. But afterwards, Harris gave an interview and called the evidence of Simpson's abusive Nicole a whole lot of nothing. And also said, that doesn't mean he's guilty of murder.

This dismissal of Simpson's abusive behavior from a female juror who was also a victim of such abuse by her husband, convinced the prosecution that the jury was not receptive to the domestic violence argument. After the verdict, the jurors called the domestic violence portion of the case a quote, waste of time proving that they were probably right. That wild, that phone call they played, the jurors just like, this isn't this isn't anything. You're wasting our time. Wow, because even I'm hearing you describe it back to me years later And I'm like, ah, that's important. Yeah, yeah, and you would think That someone who had experienced domestic violence would be sympathetic to it

But she's going, well, this is irrelevant Yeah, that's fascinating Yeah, it is really interesting Like there's so much going on there And you know being in the room with the Jews, there'd be so much stuff that you don't fully know. I mean we probably know more because they also open in America about this stuff and it's interesting that a sacked Jewer is able to affect the how the prosecution attacks a case as well. It's really interesting. You think you'd be sworn to secrecy until the end of the trial at least?

Yeah, yeah, quite strange. But maybe there's like maybe there's some sort of amendment. One of those amendments they talk about is probably I've got the right to be a dismissed jurid to be blabs. I'm pleading the sixth. That's the jurid one. The right to blab. The right to blab. The fifth is the right to not blab. The sixth. That's the jury one. The right to blab. The right to blab. The fifth is the right to not blab. The sixth right to blab. It's your call. I look forward to getting the tweet so

me what the right other six is actually. Um, generally, because it's probably a good one. What else is there? One of them right to bear arms and one of them. Um, anyway, there was a lot. I think about like the 17th amendment and stuff. Oh, do they? Yeah, lot. I think we talked about like the 17th amendment and stuff like that.

Oh, do they? Yeah, right. I guess they've had a few hundred years of amendments. Yeah. So they moved towards DNA evidence instead. And I'll sort of do some dot points here of things they presented. They presented that Simpson's DNA found in blood drops next to the body, footprints near the victims are the crime scene. So the blood from next to the body that they thought was

the murderer matched OJ Simpson's blood. Oh, okay. Okay, great. That's, that's why, so that's why Clark sort of like, well, we've got the DNA evidence. This is insurmountable. Simpson, Rod and Goldman and Nicole Brown's DNA found on blood on the outside of the door and the inside of Simpson's Bronco. So all three of their blood? Yes. On the outside and inside of his car.

Yes. Simpson's DNA found on blood drops leading from the area where the Bronco was parked at Simpson's Rockhampton home to the front door entrance. Okay. Simpson, Brown and Goldman's DNA on a bloody glove found behind his home. Okay. Simpson and Nicole Brown's DNA found on blood on a pair of socks in Simpson's bedroom. Right.

So he's left a trail of blood and DNA from the crime scene. All the way to his bedroom. It's literally a trail to his bed. Yeah. At the jury at this point, like, why are they showing us this? This isn't relevant. Then there was, I mean, there was this similar amount of evidence with hair and fiber.

John, I don't know if you draw me to go through some of this. Or you sort of get the point, I guess. I'll do a couple of things. But the word insurmountable, I mean, I can see what they mean. Yeah. The fibres from the glove found at Simpson's home microscopically matched with the one found at the crime scene,

proving they were each other's match made. So the two gloves scientifically found to be a pair, both of the victims and the two gloves and the blue knit cap worn by the killer had hair consistent with Simpson. The hair and the blue knit cap worn by the killer was embedded in the same indicating it was there from being worn repeatedly. Dark blue cotton clothing fibers were found on both victims. The video from the dance recital that Simpson attended earlier that night shows him wearing a similarly colored shirt. Kato Kaelin testified that Simpson was still wearing that shirt when he got

home from McDonald's, but not anymore when he answered the door for the limousine driver. The police searched his home, but this shirt was never found. It was in a bin at the airport. Yeah. Fibers were, fibres that were only used in the 93 and 94 models, Ford Broncos, the same car that Simpson owns, were found on both victims, the knit cap and on both gloves. And the glove found at Simpson's home that belonged to the murderer had hair and clothing, fibres consistent with Simpson, brown and goldman, as well as fibres from a 93-94, Ford Bronco, and Brown's Akeeda dog. So just things linking all everything together. Sounds pretty insurmountable. Right. If you believe that it hasn't been tampered with or faked or Also, on June 19, 1995, the prosecution had an FBI

shoe print expert. Isn't that a fantastic job to do? Full time. I'll wait for the FBI. What do you do? Super in expert. Yeah. I can look at a shoe print, tell you the shoe.

You can be of shoe print, tell you what shoe it is. I'll probably tell you a bit more about it too. No worries. Yeah, that was the guy walking. Like he could tell, he could tell that the shoe prints showed that the murderer walked away from the murder scene rather than ran based on the gate and that sort of stuff. That's terrifying. Could he tell that the owner of the shoes had rushed over a thousand yards multiple times

in their career? No, but they could tell that it was probably a dog on its real legs. They got a pretty early move. Yeah, no, but they could tell that it was probably a dog on its real legs. Got pretty early. I'm very done. Was a very clever dog. This is a very good boy. Or bad boy. This dog should be in a circus.

So this guy, William J. Bodziak, testified that the blood issue prints found at the crime scene and inside Simpson's Bronco were made from a rare and expensive pair of size 12 Bruno Magli Italian shoes. Only 29 pairs of that size were sold in the US. The size that Simpson happens to wear. And also, they sold it to one of their big department stores and a worker there testified that he showed Simpson a pair of those shoes, but they couldn't find any evidence of a sale. Then during cross examination, Bailey suggested

the murder of war the shoes that were the wrong size to cover their tracks, much like the dog thing. Incredible. And to this suggestion, Bodziac replied, that is really close. His defence was, come on. Come on. Simpson would later deny a pair of the shoes, calling them ugly-ass shoes. And there was only circumstantial evidence that he did.

They couldn't fully prove that he owned them. There was no receipt or anything like that. According to famoustrails.com, the strategy of Simpson's defense team was to undermine the prosecution's evidence concerning motive to suggest Simpson was physically incapable of committing the crime to raise doubts about the prosecution's timeline. And finally, and this is probably the key one, to suggest that the key physical evidence against Simpson was either contaminated or planted or both. The LAPD officer who found the bloody glove outside Kato Kaelin's bedroom turned out to be a godsend for the defences corrupt police theory.

So they want to they want to say all of the cops planted this. This is all dodgy. This is a setup. He's been. He's been framed framed. And then yeah they they had this officer Mark Ferman who was the one who jumped the fence, he was the one who found the glove. He testified to the prosecution on March 9th and 10th. In his book about the child Robert Shapiro wrote, a suddenly charming Marsha Clark treated him like he was a poster boy for Apple

Pie and American values. Three days later, Eiffelay Bailey, the great cross-examining defense attorney, began a bullying. And when he say he's great, it's just like he's the hard-ass sort of makes, you know, the in TV he'd make people. But you can't handle the truth. Yeah, yeah. Actually, that's my chance because that's the guy being he'd make people cross. But you can't handle the truth. And I can't go. Yeah, yeah. Actually, that doesn't make sense, because that's the guy being cross-examined. Anyway, back to you.

You can handle the truth. So this guy Bailey began a bullying cross-examination of Ferman in which he asked the detective whether in the past 10 years he'd ever used the N word. Ferman replied, there's a bit of back and forth, and he's like, he wasn't answering it straight, but eventually, he said, he absolutely never had done so. This was a lie.

Oh, have they got it for what I'm saying it? Oh no. It turned out that Ferman had used the N word many times, and it was on tape. Laura Hart McKinney and aspiring screenwriter from North Carolina. North Carolina, I just want to think of it. No. No. No. Matt, do we have time for this? Mark was Jordan played basketball at the University of North Carolina and he

wore his basketball shorts all the way through to his Bulls Cree while they're munder his bull shorts for luck and then they ended up making his bull shorts bigger, changing basketball fashion forever. Now that's why they wear baggy shorts. Anyway, so Laura Hart McKinney was an aspiring screenwriter from North Carolina.

Oh, that reminds me of a fact. He just gets stuck in his milk bottle. No, man, no. And McKinney had hired Firm and to consult with her on police issues for a script she was writing. McKinney taped her interviews with Firm and who not only used the offensive racial slur, but disclosed that he had sometimes

planted evidence to help secure conviction. Oh, fuck, sake. Needless to say, the defense wanted McKinney on the stand and they wanted the jury to hear a selection selected portions of the tapes. The prosecution's strenuously objected, arguing that McKinney's testimony was irrelevant, absent some plausible evidence suggesting that evidence was planted in the Simpson case. The prejudicial value of the testimony, the prosecution insisted, would exceed its probative value.

Judge Edo, somewhat reluctantly, allowed the defense evidence. Edo's decision opened the door for the defense to offer. It's rather fantastic theory that firm and took a glove from Brown's home crime scene, rubbed it into Cole's blood, and then took it to Simpson's rocking ham home to drop outside Calons' bedroom so as to frame Simpson. So that opened it up to that. I mean, this guy, he's a real, interesting character firmman because he, like, they played parts of the tapes, he just, it's fucked, it's real bad stuff. And so why is he saying this awful stuff on tape though? Why is he saying it to the screen? played parts of the tapes, he just, it's fucked. It's real bad stuff. And. So why is he saying this awful stuff on tape though? Why is he saying it to the screen?

Well, it's like the he's, it's very confusing, but he's trying to, she's trying to write fiction about it, but using him for inspiration, whether he's playing it up or what it's hard to know. But he's, you know, it's on tape, he said it. And another strange thing was, I forgot to write into the report, but it was something like when he was a younger cop, he took, I think he took the force to court to try to get, to quit on a pension because of how racist he felt. And They dismissed it and wouldn't let him quit and take the pension or something strange like that and has like quite a bizarre thing He like called himself out for being racist. I think so. Yes I said I cannot be impartial in this job because I'm actually incredibly racist

So I'd love to leave the force, but can I have a pension please? And they said, no, you must stay on and do your job. All of it very competitive. That's superplexing. He sounds like a real piece of shit. But I, yeah, he's a fully relevant, well, I guess, I don't know. It just feels a bit weird that he's like,

I've planted evidence before, but I suppose then that puts down in the mind of the jury. I get it. Exactly. And the defense, like what that makes sense, what the defense would want to do that, whether or not the judge decides that that's enough if there's no real evidence of that happening in this case.

Because what the prosecution would say is he had no way of knowing that Simpson didn't have an alibi, then why would he frame up a guy on the spur of a moment like that? And that's just the glove as well. There was still, I mean, OJ's blood was at the scene. It was also the victims DNA was in his car as well, like it's one piece of evidence. But so I think what the defense slowly built up was, I think they more and more relied on this sort of conspiracy theory was that they had OJ Simpson's blog because they had the sample. So that was taken, spilled at the crime scene. And then they took some of the blood from that crime scene and put it on his truck and

into his bedroom, et cetera, et cetera. Yes. Wow. I mean, being in the jury and you're hearing that, you're hearing those tapes. You go, well, it has to be beyond reasonable doubt. Maybe I'm starting to have a reasonable doubt about this. If I wasn't already, I don't know. I mean, yeah, because there is literally recording of that cop saying he plants evidence.

I mean, I'd also be like, oh God. Yeah. It's, uh, if you were thinking of Clear Cup before all of a sudden, it's probably not a real spanner, I've got to tell you. Yeah. And this is all going public as well. So, externally America is starting to be really split down racial lines. It sounds like it's something like over 70%

of white people think he's guilty and over 70% of black people think he's innocent. It's sort of splitting America in half. Wow. I saw, yeah, they said on one of these dockos that this is like the cases just don't happen that are this big with celebrity like that. I said, the last one that they could think of

that was sort of in the same ballpark was the Lynnburg baby. Yeah, right. Yeah. Which was quite a while earlier, right Dave? Yes, a lot of decades, 50, 60s earlier. The prosecution provided evidence that the gloves were simpsons. They had someone from Bloomingdale's on the stand, identify the gloves as one of their high end products in extra large. They also produced a signed receipt for the gloves by Nicole Brown Simpson. But when the defense cast out about the size of the gloves, prosecutor Darden decided to make a dramatic move and got Simpson to try the gloves on in front of the jury. This was against the wishes of

the lead prosecutor, Clark, and was what the defense were hoping the prosecution would do. They were sort of almost goading him into doing something like this. Darden said to Simpson, so there were other options. He could have done it or he could have got Simpson to try him on in the judges chambers away from the jury. He didn't have to do it in such a public way, didn't have to do it at all.

So, but the defense are happy that they're taking their doing this. Yeah, well, and apparently, Darden said to Clark, he's like, they're going to do it, or we're going to do it. So let's, let's control it. And Clark was like, let them do it. Because if they do it, we can tell them all the reasons why it doesn't, they wouldn't necessarily fit now. Dry blood will change the shape of a glove as well as all these other reasons. But Darden sort of went against her wishes and he said to Simpson, pull them on, pull them on. You can see this is all on video as well.

This was all being played on TV. So you see Simpson sort of, he's wearing, firstly he's wearing latex clubs underneath, I guess, to not contaminate the evidence or something. And he starts putting him on as he's sitting down and then he stands up and starts getting a bit more theatrical about it on the 30 for 30 documentary. They're like, he's an actor.

He's starting to play it up. And he's like, you know, he's showing, like, oh, I can't, I can't get him. Not, they're not fitting. Oh, I can't even move my finger sort of thing. And he says to the jury into the room, they don't fit, see, they don't fit. Now, there were many reasons why the gloves wouldn't fit properly. Firstly, Simpson was wearing the latex gloves underneath. You know, that leather over latex gloves, it's gonna be a bit weird. Getting a latex glove on is impossible. Yeah, exactly.

Then putting something over the top of that, I mean, you've got to be a magician. Is OJM a magician? No. Well, that's the funny thing about this is there's so many, like any one of these reasons you go, oh, that's probably reason enough that they wouldn't have fit. So there's one. Also Mike Gilbert, who I mentioned before, Simpson's old agent, later told

ESPN, he suggested to Simpson, when Simpson was getting worried, they're going to make him put on the gloves. He suggested to Simpson to stop taking his arthritis medication, which would lead to his hands swelling. And that's probably what he did, didn't take his arthritis medication for a couple of weeks. So that's probably what he did, didn't take his arthritis medication for a couple of weeks. So that's another thing on top of this. He's working out, he's hands every day. He's building up my stomach.

If I go for a long walk, my hand swell. So I'd just go for a long walk before the trial. And then I'd be like, give me those, no, let's do the glove bit now, trust me, because they'll go down. What? Nothing. He's also wearing like 10 rings on each finger.

He will not take them off. He's wearing like a full bodysuit, including his hands. Like he's wearing like a, one of those, trying to think one of those films where they wear like a full extra bodys. He's wearing like a, like a set of pastards costume from Austin Bell. He's a bastard a, like a set of pastards costume from Austin, bastard. It's the one.

Shall it, shall it, shall it, hell? Yeah. He's like, yep, they're not fitting. Yeah, he was crazy. I can't believe it, just cut up, I believe it. He's dressed as Shrek. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm sorry. I want to, I'm as disappointed as you. Yeah, I want to see you guys. I was trying to put it on his head. I'm for sure.

I'm trying to put it on his head. I can't get it up. I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know where do you put gloves now. I've never worn gloves. I don't even know. Well, he clearly doesn't know how to put them on. They can't be here.

Is this for my feet? Here, I'll put them on my feet. Sure thing, there are. Yeah. Well, I think that's an open-shot case right there. So there's two things. He's got the latex gloves underneath. Apparently, he stopped taking his arthritis medication. On top of this, they would have shrunk due to dried blood. And then on top of all that, photos later turned up of Simpson wearing ill-fitting gloves.

all that, photos later turned up of Simpson wearing ill-fitting gloves. It doesn't know what size these hands are. But all of this was too late because the damage had been done, the jurors saw him struggle, the whole world saw him struggle on video and they're like, oh, and it was an iconic moment. It's been spoofed in different things, including an episode of Sarnfeld I'm pretty sure, It's been spoofed in different things, including an episode of Sarnfeld I'm pretty sure. We're Jackie Charles, representing Kramer. Kramer is going to sue a coffee shop for the coffee being too hot, but then he put a bar on. And Jackie Charles said, I'm not told, did you put the bar on? Why did you put the bar on? Is that also with that famous line, if the club don't fit? Yes, sorry if I've dumped it. Well, it's not, that's what I thought it was as well.

What do you think it is? I've heard, like, you know, and it's also one of the things that pop culture apparently, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. Which is very long. Well, I mean, that makes sense because, you know, in pop culture, you've got to fill in a bit of the extra information because you don't have the context.

But what he actually said in court, in his final address right at the end of the trial was, if it doesn't fit, you must have quit. Oh, gotcha. They didn't need to put the glove learning because they all knew what he was talking about. But apparently there was a conference call with all the lawyers and one of them came up with it. And one of the lawyers was telling the story and they were just like, high-five and and cheer against up.

We got it. Which is everything I dream happens when I hear something quite lame. I dream that people sit around and say that and then applaud each other and that happened. Okay. That's apparently so good. I'm good to know. According to famous trials on July 10th 1995 1995, Simpson's daughter, Unnell, took the stand as the first defense witness. So full on for the kids. Firstly, the two kids that Simpson had with Nicole were, they were staying with Nicole at home.

So they were asleep in that property. Oh my God, that's awful. That's awful. So awful. That's awful. That's awful. So awful. Any Simpson's daughter and Elle took the stand as the first offense witness. She would be followed by Simpson's sister and his mother, Yenise Simpson. By the time Simpson's mother finished her testimony, it was apparent to some courtroom observers

that jury members were showing more sympathy, sorry, more empathy for the Simpson family than for the families of the victims. As successful as it turned out to be, the defense effort was not without its own miscalculations as well. A lot of the miscalculations I've mentioned have been on the other side, but one of the ones that happened by the defense was Simpson's Dr doctor Robert Huzinger testified that OJ, despite looking like Tarzan, was in about as good of a condition as Tarzan's grandfather and suffered from arthritis and other problems. The prosecution produced a video though. So he said, the doctor basically said he couldn't have committed these murders. He's not in the physical shape too. Okay. He looks like a big strong guy and he used to be, but arthritis means he just can't.

He would not have been able to do that. Who's doctor pays that much attention to them? You know, I used to go to the GP who I would go in for test results and he'd go, so what can I do for you? And I'm like, read the screen, man. Read the screen. And then one time, talking about migraines, he said, huh, so what should I do for you? And I'm like, read the screen. Then read the screen. And then one time, talking about migraines, he said, huh, so what should we do?

I'm like, okay. All right. I was hoping. That's why I'm here. So, you were going to have to say. So what is this doctor like? Well, I mean, I see him when he needs antibiotics. So I can make a pretty good, pretty good assumption here

about his physical abilities. I think he got to pay the big bucks to get doctors to think about you. You got to get a private doctor, Jess, and then they'll start knowing your name. Man, that's good. And saying calling you Tallahzans grandfather in court. Yeah, nagging you in court.

Oh, this guy. There's what the doctor said. I wouldn't have been like the doctor's like, he couldn't even commit a murder if he wanted to. And I was like, hey, I'm good, I did it. And I just did, I did a couple of months ago. So, oh God. So, who looks like an idiot now?

What's that? I've said too much. Anyway, so this is what his doctor said. So the prosecution then soon after produced a video taken just before the murders, the video showed Simpson leading demanding physical exercises. And this was, I think this was for sale. It wasn't even like a private video.

It was him. It was like an OJ Simpson fitness, let's get fit together video, especially embarrassing for the defense was equipped on the tape from Simpson as he performed the exercise that consisted in part of punching his arms back and forth. And yeah, I just as expression is right and embarrassing isn't quite the right word. His quip was as he's doing the exercise punching his arms back and forth. Oh no. Simpson suggested people might try this workout with the wife. Yuck!

Oh my god! Fuck you! Yuck! You piece of shit. Yuck. Oh my god. Fuck you. Yuck. You piece of shit. Yuck. You have literally been, what was it before he was like, he, he, he was, he pleaded not, no, he pleaded guilty. Yeah, no contest.

No contest. Spousal abuse. To. Spousal abuse. To spousal abuse. And then make, I mean, that joke, not funny at all in any context, especially if you've literally done you piece of shit. I can't say I liked him at any point in this report, to be honest, but that upset me. It's interesting, the whole thing's interesting because he had a lot of friends who have said

since at first they didn't, but they just didn't believe it. It's not who he was, not who they knew. And then as the evidence was coming out for many of us, the DNA, for some even, it was when he fled in the Bronco. They're like, oh, shit, he did do this. Yeah. Anyway, this is from True TV. By the time the closing arguments began in department, 103 of the superior court, the trial had already broken the long distance record set by the child's man's encase as the longest jury trial in

California history. The jury was by now exhausted after having been sequestered for over nine months. Some others who've criticised the defence case said they just didn't know how to add itself, add it basically. They gave them too much stuff to the jury, too much stuff to hear that their eyes were glazing over at times and that sort of stuff. I like, I remember, like at uni a two-hour lecture, I'd have to be in peak physical condition to concentrate for more than 50%. So how to sit and listen to someone talking. And often lots of jargon and back and forth, yeah. Yeah. And the frequency with which you partied

meant you were never in peak physical condition. That is a very good point, right? Shoot me if I was. That I would have retained a lot more. Yeah. So, Judge Eto was under attack for allowing the trial to drag on and on and for his seeming inability to keep the lawyers under control. He's also been begged out a bit by being a little bit lucky. He kind of enjoyed it all a bit. The whole the attention of the trial.

He'd invite celebrities and some big name journalists into his chambers to show him around and have a chart and stuff. Oh my God. It's like, oh, it's a suspenders and a leans in at the table. Big interviewer in America. Oh, Larry. Larry, yeah, Larry Eppda. He was, Larry King.

Yeah, Larry King visited him in his, he was invited at some point. Why is no one taking this seriously? Two people have died. Two people have been murdered. Yeah, and they've seen like the photos and all that, all the evidence that would have happened to us and just be absolutely gruesome. The true TV article goes on, Clarke and

Darden did their best to do damage control on Firm and so this fit to me, it seems like the Firm and stuff is what brought it all undone. One of their, the key cops in it is just totally unbelievable now. He's racist clearly on the record and he is, and there was already this feeling I think in LA by the sounds of it, especially in the black community, they're like LA cops are racist and now we've heard it very clearly from this guy on tape just made him think, yeah I believe that they would have set up OJ Simpson. And I guess that's why you saw part of the reason why you might have seen those different numbers of who thought he was innocent, who thought he was guilty and all that sort

of stuff. Yeah. So Clark and Dart and did their best to damage control and firm and accepting him as a racist, they said stuff like, he's the worst of the worst. They really like they threw him under the bus as you probably would expect. Yeah, and as you say. Same.

But that doesn't affect the evidence. The evidence is the evidence, right? The defense did say stuff like they brought in experts saying that the DNA samples and all that sort of stuff are being contaminated and whatnot. And then the prosecution's like, that's not really possible. If it was contaminated, it wouldn't have come back with any result.

But this is still coming back with clear results. So they say, no, it's not. Because they also said they mishandled the evidence. They're like, there wasn't temperature controlled properly. And some of the cops who were in charge of looking after the samples from the scene did admit that they didn't follow protocols properly, they didn't change their gloves in the right ways, they didn't store the DNA at the right temperature parts and all this sort of stuff.

So, I mean, you're listening in the jury to that as well, you'd be like, yeah, I mean, there's got to be. Yeah, it is, it's very tricky. I mean, we know so much more now, but during the trial, yeah, it's hard to know what you would do as a juror, I guess, spout from the fact that they were sitting there for months at a time. I've just been reading for a few days. Yeah. So they, yeah, so they were trying to say firm and forget about him, it just think about the evidence. He is bad, we agree. You have a wealth of evidence, Clark told the jurors,

and all of this is pointing to one person, the defendant. Christopher Darden taking the jury step by step through the murder, the Bronco chase and the arrest, ridiculed the idea that the police had banded together to frame Simpson. He pleaded with the jury, way the evidence and do the right thing. Johnny Cochrane's summation for the defense added more

controversy to an already very controversial trial. Cochrane hammered away at Furman and the prosecution's case. He referred to Furman as a genocidal racist, a perjurer, America's worst nightmare, and the personification of evil. Fuck. And it even went further saying, there was another man not too long ago in this world who had those same views.

No. Who wanted people to burn, who had racist views, and ultimately, had power over people in his country. People didn't care. People said, he's crazy. He's just a half-baked painter. Oh my God. And they didn't-baked painter. Oh my god. This man, this scourge, became one of the worst people in the world, Adolf Hitler. Yeah, we all fucking knew where

you were going with it. I like the big reveal it here. I'd love to imagine like it was someone of the jury really leaning in, going, who the hell is this guy? Oh my god, you're wrong. Rolled out. Oh my god. After the verdict came in, Simpson's original lead attorney, Robert Shapiro criticized his successors strategy here saying, not only did we play the race card, but we dealt it from the bottom of the deck.

In the end, after such, and that was very controversial him using the Hitler stuff. In the end, after such, and that was very controversial him using the Hitler stuff. In the end, after such a long trial, it only took the jury three hours of deliberation to reach their verdict. So normally, it would, it could take days and, you know, that one. Wait, sir. Yeah. This is how the New York Times reported at the time.

Orenthal James Simpson, a man who overcame the spindly legs left by a childhood case of Ricketts to run to fame and fortune, cemented a very different sort of obstacle today. When a jury of 10 women and two men cleared him of charges that he murdered his former wife and one of her friends, the verdict coming 16 months after Nicole Brown Simpson

and Ronald L. Goldman was slashed to death in the front yard of Mississa Simpson's condominium. And after nine months of what often seemed like interminable testimony, interminable, the word I've never said before, apparently, seemed like interminable testimony, side bars, and high priced legal bickering was reached in the end with breath taking speed. When I was read, much of the nation, President Clinton included, stop work to listen to it. And with the Simpson verdict, as with the Simpson case, the nation once more divided, largely along racial lines, so too, to defense lawyers, with the one-time chief of Mr. Simpson's legal team, Robert L Shapiro, criticizing his successor, as I just mentioned before. In a scene that

lent a certain symmetry to the entire Simpson saga, Mr. Simpson immediately returned to the freeways of Los Angeles in a white fan, and as fans waved from the streets he headed back to his home at 360 North Rockingham Avenue, while it doesn't heli copters flew overhead and fans festooned the fans with roses and balloons. He was met by AC Cowlings, who had been in the driver's seat of the Whiteford Bronco on June 17th, five days after the killings. Mr Simpson per se's lips gulped a few times and wore a force painted grin as D.D. Robertson, Robertson, the law clerk to judge Aito, read the verdict.

Mrs Robertson tripped over Oranthal. Oh, honestly, Mrs Robertson, you can't trip over words in key modes like that. This is important. You've got to be a professional about this. You get one chance. But she did not trip over what came next, not guilty. I mean, I haven't been really building the suspense of this. I'm assuming everyone knows that that's how it ended. Maybe someone was saying something's like,

what? It is pretty mind blowing. When she uttered those words, Mr. Simpson's body instantly uncoyled. He then breathed the sigh of relief and a faint smile appeared. As Mrs. Robertson's recitation continued, in violation of penal code section 187A,

a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson, a human being, Mr. Simpson waved the panelists in mouth the words, thank you. The reading then unfolded again with the name Ronald L. Goldman, substituted for Mr Simpson. Mr Simpson embraces Chief Lawyer, Johnny Cochran Jr. and silently thanked and re-thank the jury again. Apparently, the defense team knew that it was going to be not guilty when a couple of the jurors came out, one of them winked at OJ and one of them was smiling at him. They're

like, I think we're, people have done it. Well, there's a line into Killamockingbird that I did on Bookcheat a few weeks ago where Scout recalls being the daughter of a lawyer and the whole thing is about, you know, a charl and it says that a jury never looks a man in the eye that they're about to say is guilty. And then she knew that someone's going to get off when they didn't look him in the eye. Right. So according to famous trials, we're sorry, this has been a longage from a lot of chunks of text here, we're coming up towards the end. But yeah, there's a bit that's gone on after this for Simpson. So I just sort of semi-sum of that. According to Famous Charles, Simpson announced

after the verdict that he would devote the rest of his life to tracking down the real killers of his ex-wife. Fuck off. But he would soon be preoccupied with a civil trial. The trial held in Santa Monica would take just three months and would produce a very different result. Simpson was forced to testify, clumsily trying to explain the unexplainable. Photo showing Simpson's wearing the size 12 Bruno Magley shoes that he claimed not to own turned up in the newspaper than in others. So you know those boots? Yeah, that he said were ugly ass shoes. Well, they got them that aren't too late. Too late for the criminal trial there. Yeah. Uh, the judge in the civil trial, Hiroshi Fuji Saki, proved he was no Lance Eto and prevented the Simpson defense from introducing fanciful theories of a top to bottom conspiracy.

After 17 hours of deliberation, the jury concluded using the preponderance of the evidence test applicable in civil cases. So that it's not beyond reasonable doubt in civil cases, they just need it. It's not quite a higher bar. So after that, the jury concluded that OJ Simpson had wrongfully caused the death of Ronald Goldman

and Nicole Brown Simpson. The jury ordered Simpson to pay compensatory damages of $8.5 million and punitive damages of $25 million. Under California law, however, Simpson can continue to survive on the $25,000 a month income from a judgment-proof pension fund. They can't touch that apparently. In 2000, Simpson moved to Miami, Florida. Florida is one of the few states where assets,

such as homes and pensions, cannot be seized to pay civil liabilities from other states. So he basically, he's found loopholes to not pay any of the money. Fucking piece of shit, allegedly. To, well I think, yeah. At this stage, you're a piece of shit. I mean, I think, yeah. Now this stage, you're a piece of shit. I mean, he has been in order to pay the money and he's not paying it.

So that's pretty bad. Yeah, that's real bad. That's really bad. And it gets weirder to me in 2006. E, E announced that he was going to stop at some about 10 years later. He said, I'm not, I'm not searching for the murder anymore. Now in 2006, a publisher announced a book written by OJ Simpson or at least Ghostwritten Forum called If I Did It.

The publisher told the Associated Press, this is an historic case and I consider this his confession. In the book Simpson describes angrily confronting Nicole and Ronald Goldman at Nicole's condo than out of the murder, knife in his hand. Then he writes, something went horribly wrong, and I know what happened, but I can't tell you exactly how. He continues. The whole front of me was covered in blood, but it didn't compute. Interestingly, in Simpson's account of the murder, he describes himself as being accompanied to the condo by a friend named Charlie, who was shocked by the bloody turn of events.

On the way back to Simpsons' home, Charlie said, Jesus Christ, OJ, Jesus Christ, and buried his face in his hands. No one knows who this Charlie is, but it's just a, that's, that's all a hypothetical fictional telling of if I'd done it, which is, well obviously what someone would do about their ex-wife's murder. He's an absolute fucking psychopath. I mean, even if you didn't do the murder, that is so wrong. It's so wrong.

It's so wrong. Quite a bizarre call on any level. It's so strange. Who the fuck would publish that? Ethically, I know publishers would go, we'll publish it because if we don't, someone else will and this could make us a lot of money. But ethically, how do you give that the thumbs up?

Well, someone had, but the announcement of the book was met with a barrage of criticism. Ron Goldman's sister, Kim Goldman, on CNN's Larry King Live, expressed the outrage of victims saying, he's telling us one more time, I'm gonna continue to get away with killing your family members, and I'm not gonna honor the judgment, and look at me, ha ha ha.

The criticism, yeah, like, I mean, imagine that your family, the victims, it just be like, holy shit, this is a never ending. The criticism caused Harper Collins, quite a big publisher, to recall the book. A court seized the book as an asset to pay off Simpson's civil damages, and the book was retardaled if I did it, confessions of the killer, and the if on the cover was printed super small, and the money from that went to pay off the money that he owed from the civil trial.

So he didn't actually get a profit from it? Yeah, that's right. Then in November of 2018, Fox Ed, a show called, it's like a special, it's a bit of a tacky sort of thing, but it was kind of interesting as well. It's called OJ Simpson, the last confession question mark. In the special, a clip is shown from the 2006 where he's being interviewed by publisher Judith Reagan, and then a panel discusses it as well.

And this was an interview around the time of the book, and it was going to be to help publicize the book. In the interview, he talks Reagan through what happened on June 12, 1994 Before he describes what happened though he clarifies by saying he's just talking hypothetically Yeah, this this is from a New York Times article about the special in The six minutes in which he talks about the murders He describes being on the scene with a friend named Charlie whom the panel believes was just a voice inside his head It's all very odd

That said when Simpson describes grabbing a knife. I do remember that party says name Charlie, whom the panel believes was just a voice inside his head. It's all very odd. That said, when Simpson describes grabbing a knife, I do remember that party says, which is a weird thing to say about a hypothetical. I would think that I do remember that part. Yeah. And recall saying copious amounts of blood. It doesn't sound all that hypothetical, the New York Times suggests. He goes on to say, I just remember Nicole fell and hurt herself and this guy kind of got into a karate thing.

And I said, well, you think you can kick my ass? And I remember I grabbed a knife. I do remember that portion taking the knife from Charlie. And to be honest, after that, I don't remember, except I'm standing there. And there's all this kind of stuff around. And Judith Reid, Reagan says, what kind of stuff? And Simpson says, blood and stuff around. Reagan also, Reagan says, what kind of stuff, and Simpson says,

blood and stuff around. Reagan also asks, you're right about removing a glove before taking the knife from Charlie, and Simpson replies, you know, I had no conscious memory of doing that, but obviously I must have, because they found the glove there. Hypothetically. So it's like, it's obviously sort of admitted to it, right? But he's just done it in a way that it legally, and it's a double jeopardy and stuff like he can't be tried because he's been found out guilty. I'm guessing.

But I thought he can't be convicted of the same thing twice. Hmm, I'm pretty sure if you're found out guilty, you can't be tried again, but it probably depends on jurisdictions and that's a- That's fucked. That's completely fucked. It's, it's, yeah, I guess maybe the prosecution could have moved for a mistrial or something if they had any grounds to and then could have had a retrial, but I don't think once you

get to the out, but I might be right. Otherwise, the other side of that is you get someone who is just being charged with the same murder over and over and he's incarcerated in the meantime. It's like, but I just, you got to prove I'm guilty, but you know what I mean? It's a real tricky thing. Oh yeah, I'm not pretending to be an expert on the law. I'm basing that entirely on the film, double jeopardy, starring Ashley Judd. All right, that's all I know about it. I saw that by myself in Goldcloth. But surely, if you then... buying yourself, did you get a curry with him? Yeah, why are you in your curry? That's the question, no.

Now the curry was during one of those mocking bird shows. Oh, Hunger Games. Hunger Games. God, I speak, Matt, do you have an idea what you were talking about? I know. It's like before when he said the guy and the suspenders who leans over the table. We got there. Well, I haven't had a lot of sleeper. I know, and you're... Normally, I'm very articulate. like before when he said the guy in the suspenders who leans over the table.

We got that. I haven't had a lot of sleep. I know. And normally I'm very articulate. You're doing very well. But anyway, it's just, it's just, sorry, it's just so perplexing that he's come out basically afterwards and he's doing speaking engagements and writing a fucking book about how he did it. And when you can't do anything about a good insane.

Yeah, it feels like there should be a loophole unless they've clearly admitted to it. Unless they're being a real arrogant prick about it, in which case, trial them again. Yeah, so, and he, you know, Jack Drew's great Melbourne comedian friend, he used to do a bit about it where he's like, after all this, he did a prank show called Juiced. So he dressed up in costumes and it's sort of like a punk show. No. Is that real? Is that real? Is that real?

No, that's a real thing. Oh. That's the Jack Drew's bit is like, hey, it's not actually an old man. It's me. Killer. OJ Simpson. That's the weirdest surprises that you're, yeah, it's just standing next to a murderer. Very bizarre stuff.

I butcher that bit. Luckily, Jack does not listen to this show. Do yourself a favor, go see him when he's allowed a performing in. Yeah, so that's sort of the end of my report. If I did it, if I completed it a bit more time, I would have finished with something more positive. Well, I think he has been to jail since, right? So yeah, Dave, good point.

There is maybe some better news if you're looking for some justice for OJ Simpson. If out in a sort of strange way, you never was really brought to justice for the murders, but years later in 2008 Simpson was found guilty of conspiracy to kidnap an armed robbery in Las Vegas. Was this strange story about stealing sports memorabilia that he said was his, he actually owned. And yeah, he was found guilty on all 12 charges after more than 13 hours of deliberations. Interestingly, so much more deliberations about the solar memorabilia than there was over the murders. Yeah, that trial began 13 years to the day after he was cleared of the double murder. So he could have spent up to 30 something years behind bars, but he ended up getting parole after nine years. So he's out again now. But yeah, he didn't spend a chunk of time

behind bars and he's, when was he born in the late 40s so you know, he's in his mid 70s now. Yeah right. Yeah. Well that makes me feel a tiny bit better. Yeah and it does feel a little bit like he, even though it's not how it should be, it feels a little bit like um this was almost like a slight square up for what he got away with. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. You've gone a jar for nine years for still in memorabilia. I know it was armed robbery and there were different reasons why it was seen as a more serious crime.

But the difference between the two is like, wow, it's, yeah. One is murdering cold blood. Yeah. The other is still in a few posters or something. I know it's more complicated. Still on a couple of little posters. Yeah, it's absolute bachelorette. I feel so bad for these kids.

Yeah. That'd be really hard. Everything about that is absolutely rough. Yeah. Fine. But do you know what though? I obviously knew, you know, I knew the bones of the story, but I think just so much of my opinion was just based in like pop culture references,

and just the way people would talk about, oh well, you definitely did it and stuff like that. So it was really interesting to hear the details of the case. I didn't know a lot about it. Yeah, there's lots I didn't know. So that was fucking unreal. Yeah. And I think if it wasn't for, I mean, if he still just admitted that he always still just said, no, I never never did it. He didn't write those books and stuff. They would probably still be summed out. Yeah. You're like that cop. What like who knows what he did? Yeah, absolutely. But I mean, it would have been a wild amount of conspiracy of the whole police force, no one ever broke on it.

Like it would be very unlikely I would think. Yeah. But then to come out and write a book saying that you remember holding a knife and you remember being there like hypothetical, hypothetical. It's, that's bat shit crazy. Hypothetically. That's bad shit, crazy. That was the same very bizarre to me. Anyway, what a way to kick off block. I didn't have absolute blockbuster topic

that's been suggested probably ever since we started. I haven't been in the hat. We've been suggesting. Since the very beginning, so it's great to kick off block with a genuinely often requested topic. So great report, Matt. Really. Yeah, well done, Matti. Thanks for a huge Matt, really. Yeah, well done, Matty.

Thanks for a huge mammoth story. Yeah, and you did really well. Well, you know, all night. I was nervous that I wasn't going to capture it all. And potentially, I imagine the following work will be people going, I know. You did a great business, yeah. Which is always fun, I mean, especially if it's written

to me politely, I'm like, oh, it's cool new information. Yeah, yeah. But it's like, well, I mean, it's been to me politely, I'm like, oh, it's cool new information. Yeah, yeah. But it's like, well, I mean, it's been two hours talking about it. So it's not like we really. But there's often something someone will say, oh, this is an interesting, you didn't say this. I'm like, oh, yeah, I should have said that.

I did not know about that. That is a good point. Anyhow, it is probably time for us to thank a few of our patrons in what I think of as the best part of this show, the fact Quotal Question section, which has a little jingle. Fact Quotal Question! You always remember the ding, and in this section we thank a few patrons who support us on the Sydney Shamburg Deluxe Memorial additional level, which you can find at Patreon.com, such a do-go-and-pod. If you support us on there, you get all sorts of rewards, depending on the level you choose,

including bonus episodes, we do three extra episodes a month. This month, we did a report on a really interesting Japanese crime where someone stole 300 million yen, which isn't as much as it sounds, but still a lot of money. So much money. And it was one of the cool, like one of the smartest robberies I've ever heard. Definitely.

Just so genius in its simplicity. But so if you want to check that out, please do. But this part is where we get a one of our great patrons to give us a factor quite a question. I'm going to go through a few today. I don't read them out till I read them out. This first one is from Jacobi to Angel. Dave always corrects me on the pronunciations. I don't know. They're out of this time. Oh, yes. And Jacobi has given himself the title, oh, it's long-ish, brighter director, actor producer, executive producer, cinematographer, editor, scripted,

scripted supervisor, falling apart, costume designer, gaffer, best boy, key grip, sound mixer, boom operator, art designer, casting director, distributor, and craft services of the do-go-on movie. Wow, you are taking on too much, yeah, honestly. Delegation is your best friend. Let's spread that out of you. I noticed that we're gonna have to organize our own extras,

but OK. Yeah, whatever. Fuck, we have to do everything around here. It's actually a bit disappointing to Kirby, but let it slide. So Jacobi has asked a question. He says, I'm trying to get this movie made, but I've got to pitch it first. And the studio heads like it's simple.

Can each of you give me a description of the do-go-on movie by using other films example? It's Casino Royal meets Iron Man or the classic die-hard on our insert alternative setting. Make it good. They say Sydney's interested in collaborating. Oh wow. Oh, okay, I'm listening.

So how do we pitch this movie? Okay, what are movies about friendship? What about like... Finding Nemo. Yeah. What about it's got like the feel of the, of Wayne's World. You know, it's a couple of people come together making our own little show.

Yes. And then Hollywood comes a knock-in. Yeah, I like that. Wayne's World meets finding Nemo. Is that what we're thinking about? Yes. So it's... Because we're trying to find my son. Yes. And we must travel to Sydney,

which for the fish, long distance. For us, quite an easy flight, once we're allowed to fly. So what about Finding Nemo meets Wayne's World meets little or finanny? Oh, yeah. So now all of a sudden, instead of Nemo, his dad trying to find him, it's his fake parents, Rooster and whoever the other one was. And instead of smelling wet dog, Daddy Warbuck smells wet fish.

Yes. So we're fish in this film. We are fish. Oh no, but if Sydney wants to be involved, then should we be chimpanzees? Yes. Yes. So we have fish. Yes. We have fish. Or, but if Cindy wants to be involved, then should we be the chimpanzees? Chimpanzees. We are chimpanzees. Oh, yeah, chimpanzees.

Okay. We are dogs. We're dogs. And we're all cold, Lorraine. And we could have Arnold Schwarzenegger make a coming out. I just really want to make him. Yeah, that'll be great. Yeah.

All right. Great. Well, I hope that answers your question and That's good. That's a strategy. I'm the budget 180 million dollars. Yes Jacobi you can workshop that. I mean trim out any of the fat you need to Definitely happy to leave a lot of that or those decisions up to you. Yeah, but I will not share a trailer No, I will with Arnie only share a trailer. No. I will with Arnie only. The next one comes from Sophie Chuta and Sophie Chuta is the head of it administration Swapster Vision. Oh yeah, on our Patreon group on Facebook, Sophie runs the, there's these male Swap doing snacks. Yeah, just snack swap recently. With a lovely kind of nice idea.

So such a nice idea and people have absolutely loved it and been posting pictures of all the snacks they've received. It's been so nice. I've been loving seeing those photos. They're doing another one. They're doing another one. Early next year, I believe that she's organizing for books. Oh, that's great.

Well, that's what the question looks like it's about. Oh. So he's so if he's questioned, I'm running a new book swap on the picture. We don't read until he reads them. You can send any book, not just the book you would consider your favourite. What book would you send and why? Oh, great question.

Oh, that's hard. Hmm. I'm luckily sitting next to a bookshade. I think I'd probably send a war on peace and then say, can you please write like a bookcheat report on this so I don't have to. And then I'll do an episode on it. Yeah, that's good.

That's smart, that's real smart. I mean, Dave, you mentioned your bookshed episode of Ticula Mockingbird. That's one of my favorite books. But I mean, a lot of people have read it. I know you and your guests had not. That's right. I think a lot of people have, but then there are people out there that have a new... Maybe you've established that first, but have it. Yeah. That's a tough one. I have lots of books that I've enjoyed reading,

but sometimes when you put on the spot, it's like, I've forgotten every book I've ever read. I'm going to say Smitherines by a Sean McAlarf. It's a collation of short stories that he wrote. I think often they were from newspaper, they were published in newspapers and they were collated a while back. That one, or maybe a working class man, the second Jimmy Barnes auto biography. That's fantastic. In which one of the chapters is called Outtown because the opening line is TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGET TIGGETGET TIGGETA TIGGETA TIGGET TIGGET TIGGET TIGGET TIGGET TIGGETA TIGGET TIG audio book so good. A Masterpiece. Dave, you've obviously read a lot of books. This must be a hard one for you. I did say War and Peace. I used to hate War and Peace, yeah, that's right, sorry.

Great question. I was listening. I've also probably sent of My Son Man, which I love. It's been my favorite one I've done on a book cheat. And that way you get to pick either the thinnest classic or the thickest classic. It's up to you. Oh, great.

Smart. Yeah, I loved of my son, man. Good work for book. I'm looking forward to saying the results of that in photos, Sophie Tuta. And Sophie's, if you, here's a hot tip, if I do say your name wrong, you can always include the fanatical version of it in there like Sophie has because I've been calling her Sophie Tuta. Tuta. Tuta. There you go. Thank you for coming. version of it in there like Sophia's because I've been calling her Sophie. Shooter, but it's tutor.

Shooter. There you go. Thank you for coming. When you're a student, you would be spelled like tutor. We say tutor, tutor, but she spells tutor, tutor. But it's tutor. Okay. Which sounds like tutor to me. Yeah. But it's actually tutor.

Uh-huh. And how many hours sleep have you heard? Yeah. The next one come from Julian Barnes and Julian's given himself the title lead choreographer for Dugon Presents Keep On Going On before I ho up musical and travel cancer. They must hate that idea. Was this the kind of musical you get around though? If it's about me, yeah. I'm interested.

Julian also asked the questions, all questions this week. This one is, what is the best way to show someone without words that you love them? Oh, a hug. I mean, come on, a hug is so nice. But you can hug lots of people. Yeah, but it's not necessarily asking about romantic love. And naked.

But I was just thought it was love to let a friend, family, remember? And right now, I feel like it's been the longest time that I haven't hugged. My parents and my life. Yeah. I mean, you miss them a lot. I feel like remembering, just listening and remembering things.

Yes. So here's what you actually need to do. Is you need to send them a link to what love language you need. Oh, love languages. Yes. Words of affirmation. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Great. Yes. So you need to figure out how they, because some people like action, some people like words, some people like gifts, some people like you just to do things like, you know, just not having to be directed to do the washing or whatever, just do them, that makes some people happy. You need to figure out what their love language is and then enact that. I feel like I've heard you talk about love language before and never asked you what it

meant. And that's interesting. I haven't heard of that beyond the about love language before and never asked you what it meant. And that's interesting. I haven't heard of that beyond the term love language. That's fascinating stuff. So everyone has a different one. Yeah, everyone's a bit different. Can you tell me what my one is if I look it up? Yeah. It's like as a quiz and it'll tell you.

Yeah, you answer questions. I mean, I don't know if I believe it 100%. But it's just a nice way of basically thinking about how you communicate with different people and different people like different things. So you have to kind of adjust from person to person. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Some people, you can tell them every day,

I love you so much and they're like, whatever. You give them a hug and they're like, oh, you love me or you do things for them or you buy gifts or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's cool. Nice. Nice one. Hopefully that works. Julian, Jess has just given you a link to click on. Google love languages.

And if that all that stuff is hug him. Hug him. So you are basically just like a pup. Like you just like words of affirmation. You just like praise. Good boy. Yeah, love that. But I was. No, I also like quality time, I think.

Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, yeah, love a bit of quality time. I mean, everyone loves, like everyone likes a little bit. Yeah, that's the thing that none of them, you dislike. Yeah, I'm never gonna be like, oh, you bought me a gift, you must hate me. Yeah. But it's just to varying degrees. That was actually a sincere answer in a way. I sort of sounded as a gift, you must hate me. But it's just to varying degrees. That was actually a sincere

answer in a way. I sort of sounded as a joke, but that probably is a good way to show someone you love them. It's figure out how they like that to be expressed to them. Totally. That makes sense to me for sure. Final one for this week is from Jordan Nassie. Here's another one. Everyone's given themselves a themselves along, apart from Sophie Chuter. This Jordan one is long again, chairman of the Canadian branch of the Shapes Appreciation Club, the Ann Union rep, also the owner, CEO, CEO, accountant, mascot, lawyer, king, and ruler,

the most longest title club. Oh. Well done. I think you did just beat out Jacobi. So I have a funny feeling that Jordan maybe got some shapes in one of those snack swaps. Yeah, they seem to be like a pretty uh recurring Aussie if you're getting sent some gifts from Australia. A lot of shapes into attorney out people are loving. The people say yeah, why would you describe shapes to someone who

doesn't know? They're kind of like box of little crackers with flavors on it. They're a little box of heaven, that's what they are. We call them savory biscuits. Like crackers. Biscuits mean different things elsewhere, crackers. Yeah, flavored crackers. Fucking dollars. Yeah, you got barbecue flavor.

Pizza, pizza, naturopa. Yeah. This is plain savory cheese, cheese and bacon. Veggie mime. Veggie mime. Some great stuff there. Pizza, my favorite. Me too.

Personally. I'm a barbecue girl myself. Barbecue is classic. That would be up there on the podium for me as well. Veggie mites, shooting up the charts with a bullet. I think number two for me is the cheese ones. Yeah, cheddar? Yeah.

Oh, cheddar. Oh, yeah, so, okay, cheddar, I'm listening. I think I'm a saver, you want me. I was a late, a late, a appreciator of cheddar and Oh, yeah, so, okay, cheddar. I'm listening. I think that's a savory one. I was a late, a late, a preciator of cheddar and boy, am I making up for it? Eating your body weight every year in cheddar now. And Jordan's question is, what is the best gift you have ever received?

Bonus fact about the incredible and oh no Jordan's trying to squeeze in a fact. It's fact quote all question. Nah I'm kidding go for it. Query a folk does about amazing Terry Fox in 1979. Terry began training for his marathon of hope across Canada run to raise money for cancer research and awareness During his training he runs over 5,000 kilometers. It seems like a long way. It's massive Terry

Terry Foxes in the hat as Yeah, and I'm playing I think a few times. I think there's still a lot to I think you might have even been in the I think a few times. I think there's still a lot to it. I think you might have even been in the blocktober. Oh, right. So who knows? Maybe he's coming up in the next few weeks. Best gift you've ever received? He is. How about my life?

Oh, I can't. You're welcome. Thank you all for my death. You're welcome, I can't. You gave that to me. Yeah. Oh, my parents have been taking credit. I'm so sorry, Dave.

That is absolutely bullshit. I know. Gives that's hard. Oh my God, my parents have been taking credit. I'm so sorry Dave. That is absolutely bullshit. I know, gifts that's hard. Probably for my 13th birthday, got given a basic guitar by my parents, a little practice amp and that's when we formed Weed Hornet and I got years and years of musical fun at it based on that. So I think that would be it.

It's set off about 10 years of, you know, the next 10 years of my life from that moment probably, yeah. That's great. I'll say because it's the first thing that came to my mind, I reckon I got, I remember getting Where's Wally 3? Love it. And the last page was like all Wally's and you had to find Wally amongst the Wally's. Oh wow. Or Woldos if you're from America. I like Wally better. Wally was the original I found out. Oh it's assumed. It's isn't that funny when they're like

well Americans can't handle where's Wally. We need to make it sound weeder with a name that doesn't mean that's not a name right? That's not a name is it. Waldo. No. But then the interesting thing is they've created an archnemesis for them called Odlaw which is Waldo backwards Waldo, no. But then the interesting thing is they've created an arch nemesis for I'm called Odluw which is Waldo back with. Oh yeah. And even in the ones with the normal wears Wally, he's called Odluw and that as well. So a bit of give and take. It's a good one. A gift that I use every day is a little Nespresso pod machine. I got a coffee machine from my birthday a couple of years ago and oh man, I love it very much. But I think also another one that stood out

was for my 21st, my grandma gave me this tiny, tiny little cup and saucer. It was basically almost like a toy cup and saucer. And it turns out it's been in the family we're back then for about like 140 years or something. Like she... Yes, that is cute as... It's very cute.

But yeah, she gave me a card and she sort of... How far back she could trace it. And it had been in the family for a really, really long time. So that was very nice. Where is it now? That's so cool. It'd be a mum and dad's house. I'm like, I don't trust myself.

You don't have to stop me. You don't have to stop me. You're mourning the spread so many times. I do love those sort of gifts. I've got a plate from my pop. He got given after serving the Second World War and his initial as M. Stewart as well. So I got given that, which is kind of cool. And yeah,

recently Mum gave me a little badge from her dad, which is like, like just a just a bright like his name on it. That's nice. It's your Brian's name. My, and just one more quick one as well, because it's just reminded me my, so my grandma's sister, so my great aunt, she passed away when I was about four or something, and then when I did my first communion when you're like nine or 10 at school,

my grandma found that her sister, who we called Kani, had put aside this little... She'd wake in the second. She'd put aside these pink, really pretty rosary beads, and she wrote my name on them. Like she was saving them for my first communion. And so I opened them and I was like, oh, they're nice.

And then I look up in my mum and all of her sisters. And there's so many of them. We're all just a bit glassy-eyed because it was so, because they loved this auntie so much. So that was nice too. Oh, that's so nice. I think I could give in, I could give in my nanagave me rosary beads, probably for the same thing.

I've still got them somewhere. Somewhere again at mom's house. That'll be in a drawer. They'll be in, they'll be in a special box. I've got a couple of boxes of stuff. Yeah, but that's nice, and it's nice that those are kind of sentimental things too. Yeah, but that's not and it's nice that those are kind of sentimental things too. Yeah, I love giving presents. I love presents. I love Christmas. That's

a lot of language man. That is a lovely language. Yeah, you love. That's how you love to express love. I love love. I love love. I don't make no apologies for that. Oh, should you. I remember. I did that said that in a best man's speech on one's mind, I said, because can I live with you? I love love. Had that go down. I think like half the room was with me. Dave wasn't he? Yeah, he's a notoriously hard person to perform for. Yes. Hey, we still have to thank a few more patrons.

Jess, you normally give us a bit of a game for this. What do you reckon this week? Well, I mean, given the topic, it's a little bit hard. But I was thinking, maybe we could name the title of their Tell All Memoir. Their hypothetical Tell All Memoir. Awesome. Well, if I may kick it off, I would love to thank from New York, the greatest shitty in the world. I don't know. I just started being Alan Colter there. Is that I'm just looking for the city? It wasn't worth it.

From God, that would have been good. From Leicester in Great Britain. I'd love to thank Will Price. Will Price. And his book is called... Oh, I mean, come on. I know. I know. I'm trying. What about something like sometimes the price is right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Goes on like that, you know? Yes, wonderful. Yeah, great. And what's it about it?

Some how he hypothetically, hypothetically, would in bezel, in best, yeah, he'd in bezel money. And then he priced families out of neighborhoods by upping all the rent action. But he's like, I only hypothetical. This is hypothetical will we're not saying you did this was saying hypothetically, hypothetically, you write a book saying, yeah, I bought a lot of apartments and I left them vacant. Even though I knew people needed places to live.

Yeah, thank you so much, we will. Thanks for your high-pethetical honesty there. I'd also love to thank from Rayby in New South Wales, Australia, Zach Zalinsky. Zach Zalinsky, ZZ. Wow. You'd be very rare, ZZ. Love that. Is there something in that? ZZ.

Some is sleepy. Oh. Oh is sleepy. Oh, okay. Shootin' my way to the ZZ top. Oh, yeah, great. That is good stuff. Are these all sort of hypothetical admissions? Yeah, but this one's by shooting it's actually a memoir about his genius of photographer Oh, and becoming one of the top photographers But he was actually the whole time he told his family was actually just going to the shops. Yeah, so

So when he left for months at a time on tour And came back to the queue's there at the supermarket. You were not believe. And they believed him. So, but they started going, why you weren't ZZ Top Tour merch all the time? And he's like, no reason. And they're like, we're pretty sure you're going on tour

to shoot ZZ Top. And he's like, nah. And then he writes his book. And they're like, we asked you plain writes his book and they're like we asked you About this It was point blank but No, no, no, no, no, no, it's just if I did you just inspired me to tell this story go on to it with them This is what it would have been yes, but you've got photos in there You're in them hypothetically hypothetically I photoshop them in

You were in them. Hypothetically. Hypothetically, I'll photoshop that. Thank you so much. Xaxxelinchki. And I'd also love to thank from Leroy in Great Britain. Harry Warrow. Harry Warrow from Leroy.

That's going to be one of the old times, isn't it? That's right. Harry Warrow from Leroy. It almost seems like your family is from there. You name the town and you're like, I don't want this celebrity anymore. I'm going to do a subtle change. Harry Warrow from Whirl. Okay. I think Harry Warrow wrote the book. I wrote that book. No, no. If it's very small, very small. I mean, I almost said that. I mean, the cover is a photo of him riding the pig. So it's like, I'm pretty sure you did. Yeah, but if I did, I think you would have gone a little something.

It's a children's book. It's a short one. It's just mostly pictures. It's very cute. Big pig. Very big pig. Thank you Harry. Rodable sized pig. Great book Harry. Harry Warrow from Whirl is so fun and I'll be saying that. That's so good. Especially as it becomes increasingly dangerous today. My eye thinks the paper is one. Harry Warrow from Whirl. Harry Warrow from Whirl. Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry Warrow from Whirl. Harry War from Whirl. Harry War from Whirl. Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry Harry War from Whirl.

Harry War from Whirl. He was the Whirl from Whirl. He was the War from Whirl. Oh my gosh. You need a nap. Whirl. He was the Whirl. He was.

Can someone mute my mark? Can you? I think Dave, you probably actually can. I've done it. I'm going to thank some people as well. I would love to thank from Cicero, Illinois, IL, Illinois, surely. Who unmuted you?

I would love to thank Stephen, Carina. Stephen Carina from Cicero, Who unmuted you? I loved it. They're Steven. Carina. Steven Carina from Cicero. No, that's not. That's in Chicago. That's how I knew how to pronounce it. If I've done it right, it's because of the musical Chicago. Oh, right.

See, okay. If I burnt down the Hindenburg. If I burnt down the Hindenburg. Hypoth burnt down the Hindenburg, hypothetically, this is how I would have burnt down the Hindenburg. Oh, I've burnt it down, hypothetically. I remember burning down that big old blimp thing or whatever it was. That's one thing I do remember. Hypothetically. Yes, hypothetically.

Stephen, wow, that's one of the most famous events of the 20th century. You knew hypothetically at the center of it. Amazing. So thank you, Stephen. I would also love to thank from Low Stuff in Suffolk. I'd love to thank Sean Fen. Do you reckon this is Sean Penn trying to keep it low-key?

This is Sean Penn's pen name. Sean Penn? Yeah. If I was Sean Penn. If I is Sean Penn trying to keep it like he's a Sean Penn's pen name Sean Penn. Yeah, if I was Sean Penn if I was It's his nom to pan If I was Sean Penn, I mean, I think that that's straight to the top of New York Times best sellers Hypothetically if I was Sean Penn. So we just love to thank you, Sean Fen, and Winking as I say that, because obviously we know who you really are.

I'll often do you reckon he gets, what's your name, Sean Penn? Sean Penn. Sean Penn. No, Sean Penn. It gets that all the time, and he was hoping that when he's shared out eventually came around that it wouldn't be something tedious

that he gets all the time. And yet here we are, Sean Fenn, I'm so sorry. But it's a great read, I gotta tell you, great read. So great. I'd also love to thank, finally, for me, from West Sussex, I'd love to thank Harry Pledge-Up. Oh, what an answer, cracking name. Harry, oh, Mary Pledge-Up. It's me, Harry Pledge-Up. Harry, oh, Mary, pleasure. It's me, Ari, pleasure. That's probably not easy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,'s just a list. And people read it and they're like,

but you've got all that stuff. It's just dot points. Yeah. And yeah, it's all a little thing. Ah, I don't know why. And I'd buy a little pack of toothpicks. OK, you've got that in the factory. Two little packs of toothpicks. I could have unlimited toothpicks. Oh, my pick of pips.

I could have unlimited toothpicks. I hope my pick of the pips. Harry loves clean teeth. Dave, bring it home. This is exciting. That hasn't heard of toothbrush. All right, let's get serious. A name. Another person.

From MacLeod in the Australian Capitol, I would like to thank Sam Edwards. Sam Edwards, of course, famous for writing, if I ate the last Tim Tam. Oh, cute. Everyone's, everyone's suspected him. Everyone's suspected him. I hope people in this next swap have been gifted some Tim Tam's,

because they are. I think that were the second biggest one for the Aussie Sanders after shapes. They are very good. Very nice. Oh, yeah. Chocolate. Good stuff. I ordered some stuff the other day, because obviously we can only two online shopping.

And it all arrived in a little box with like a single Tim Tam in its own little packet. And I was like, Yes! It was the best bit of everything that I ordered. It was the free Tim Tam. Free Tim Tam. That's fantastic that I ordered was the free tim damn free tim tam Fantastic I ordered doughnuts yesterday and One was peanut butter. Oh Well, it was so good. Yeah

Wow, yeah, I've an ad one for a while remember we were talking about him not too long ago, and I was like Donuts I'm gonna get, and I'm gonna eat them. Oh, it was hypothetically. If I had that kind of thing. If I had that kind of thing. I would like to thank for a waterfall in Ireland. What the heck? Beautiful.

Waterfall in Cork Island. Fantastic stuff. Cannot believe it. What a spot the name is Laura Jane Laura Jane Laura Lane sorry Laura Lane. Thank you so much. Miss Red that Well Laura Lane's I I met one of our live shows. I met an Irish woman named Laura and I wonder if this is you Wow her she could be sure to Lala Lala land Lala land

If I hypothetically wrote the screenplay for Lala land That's the thing. If I hypothetically rigged the Oscars Yes So that the guy played Dick Tracy would say, blah, blah, land, and then look a bit foolish and make everyone cringe with the 40s. Warren Bady. Warren Bady. Let's call it if I read.

Is that what he's famous for? Dick Tracy? He's famous for a lot of things. Yeah, the Dick Tracy guy. Warren Bady. He's got a lot of stuff. If I rigged the Oscars, that's a great title of a book. Yeah. If I rigged that's very good. Laura Lane, If I rigged the Oscars, it's good. That's a great title of a book. Yeah.

If I rigged that's very good. Laura Lane, if I rigged the Oscars. Thank you so much. It's so beautiful. Oh, beautiful. In County, cork. That just sounds like a madman. Sounds heavenly.

Oh, my God. I'm gonna look it up. Thanks, Laura Lane. I would finally like to thank from London, another one of my favorite places in the world. Vivian Zhang. Vivian Zhang. I know we say it's a bit, but is this the best crop of names we've ever had? These are really good names.

I've never heard of them before. I loved it. I was a little laugh. We're all down in my mouth. But this is a fantastic, Vivian Zhang from London. I know there's a few designers named Vivian and it just makes me think Vivian Zhang just sounds like a designer label. Okay. Yes. Do you wear Vivian Zhang? Oh, of course. No. Who are you wearing tonight? Vivian Zhang, of course. I'm not an easy one. I would say I wouldn't wear that. And then we'd have photos of

been wearing it the night before. Yep. I'm wearing VJ. What about you? All right. Vivian Jang, what is the designer angle? Do you think there's something you can go in? Oh, yeah. Okay. If I was Banksy. Oh, yes. From London as well. We're on you Vivian. Vivian's Banksy. That's a good answer. Hypothetically. Hypothetically. If I was Banksy.

Curried by the architect guy. I love the if is written really small. So it just says, I was Banksy. It's like, what do you mean? What do you mean? Maybe Banksy. Maybe Banksy is like the phantom. You know, and it sort of gets passed on. Like like like Panther, same sort of thing.

Or the Pope. Or the Pope. Or like any kind of leadership, yeah. Or the Pope. Yeah, they all put, it's a slight difference with the Pope. I don't think everyone's going, wow, how's he lit? So long.

It's the same guy, right? It's called Pope. The Dalai Lama is sort of like that. It is the same soul or spirit, I believe. All right. I don't know. Thank you for all those fantastic supporters who've been supporting us for over a year,

each and every one of them. But now is time to welcome a few people into the Triptage Club. This is the way we finish off our episodes by letting some people into the most exclusive club. And it's most exclusive because a lot of people stop listening by now. So only...

Oh, only the coolest people. Including us. Including us. Here. Now that is not true. I've seen, surprisingly, most people listen all the way to the end, which I love. Um, they're stats we can see now. You believe that?

Oh, that's cool. So all they fast sleep two hours ago and, uh, they're currently. Yeah, all they're in the car and their phone is out of reach. So they can't exactly skip ahead. So they're just like, well, they're accidentally pressed play and the Bluetooth speakers are in a different room. Yeah, very quiet. I don't know that it's quiet. It's not bothering them.

Why are there babies like asleep in a cot in that room going, please turn it off, shut it up. I just like snoring within seconds. Oh my God. Those dogs are touched. So the way you get involved in this is just supporting us on the shout out level on the Patreon for three years straight. And once you've done that, you get led into the triptage club. I lift up the little velvet rope. I've got a I've got a doorless tier. I'll read out Dave's inside, hyping you up. He's that hype man. He'll give you a hype. He'll like it. The good as you run into the room you got to run in if you want to know pressure You can walk if you want or whatever you like and

then Jess normally is behind the bar. I'm her off-sider So don't make it anything too tricky. I've tried the shaking thing I can do a bit of that but Jess comes up with a cocktail and we put it together and then there's some sort of or derbs as well Any thoughts on no on Dave also books a band. Oh Oh yeah, you want to know who got live this week? Yeah. What is that? The magical voice of Celine Dion. Oh my god. Oh my god.

Oh my god. She used to sing it when you come. I'm used to selling out Vegas from now. Every single. Yeah, that's thanks so much for that, Celine. Used to selling out Vegas every single night, but she's dropping by for a little, a little club lounge set. Just her and a piano player. That's it.

Oh, stripped back. She's still wearing a fantastic outfit. Of course. And is she playing other, is she covering songs? Sorry, Matt. No. Okay. She's doing music sadly.

She could be talking out of it. You have to pay extra to get her to play other people's songs. All right, well, that's great. Big star, one of the biggest Canadian stars of all time, right up there were Terry Fox. Just what have we got behind the bar? Well, this week, we've got a couple of different drink options, as well as all the others that we've already had. It's a full bar, but the specials this week are Mamoza, which is of course, but a champagne

and OJ. A little tribute. Yeah, a tribute to the report, to the report, time-end. To the report. To the report. Come on. But we've also got, you know, we're heading into warmer weather. It doesn't feel like the last couple of days, but we're heading into warmer weather.

And so it's PIM season, baby. Oh, a big jug of PIMs. Yes, and I've got a couple of different variations. Got an orange and basil PIMs and a pomegranate PIMs. I've just looked up cocktails. Like a toast. They're by sound. They sound delicious.

Refreshing. PIMs is summer. Yes. And because, you know, we're having summer drinks, we're also just chucking some food on the Barbie. We got lots of salads and, you know, delicious. We have no barbie. Cherry tomatoes.

Sure. In the salad. Yep. Oh, that's great. What a love in this. Lettuce. What a weird thing to do. Is that lettuce in the salad?

I said, we have it a barbecue. He said cherry tomatoes. Yeah. He said salad. Yeah, okay. Yeah said cherry tomatoes. Yeah. He said salad. Okay. Yeah, this lettuce. I know you don't make friends with salad, but that's okay. I've got enough friends. I love salad. Chug of his neck's on there as well.

I'll be just saucy, saucy and bread with sauce. Sossy sauce and bread. I'm into it. All right. Well, let's welcome a few in. Dave, get your hopping parts ready to go. Your hot pot. All right. Yeah. He's warm, baby, let's welcome a few in. They've get your hopping pipes ready to go. Your hot pot. All right.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe let's go. Welcome to the club. So, these great supporters who've been supporting us for the last three years, welcome them in one and all firstly from Adelaide. The city of church is the city that never sleeps apart from a nighttime. Adelaide, South Australia, welcome in Timothy Paul.

Oh, Paul, the great crowd tonight, I see. Yes. He's back from Gothenburg in Sweden, I believe, Dave. It is Marcus Brisbane. Oh, the Brisbane is here tonight. High five. Really good. Yeah. Like a really good high five. I'm like, that's a really good high five really good yeah really good high five I'm like that's a really good high five because that's his love language yeah high five I see from woolen gong from the gong in New South Wales Australia it's Olivia Barnell we're hitting no gongs tonight we are smash in it yeah yes I'd also love to welcome in from I Don't know this one. It looks like newer none a wall in the ACT capital

Territory of Australia it's Matt Oh man, we slam Duncan tonight. Yes, please tell me that was the last one because that is who? Kinton I Please tell me that was the last one because that is who that was See Dave see you're great. It's got to believe you Graded this and you're there hot man. I'm your heart. Thank you so much Honestly that really helps that really helped bring the energy back How was good Dave you were you did hit good form there. Thanks everyone I'm past you keep your job. This has been a long episode. We're heading towards all time.

I reckon this is an all-timer in terms of length and quality. Great report, Matt. Thank you so much. Great way to kick off block. I reckon I must say I've seen OJ in the hat many times. I'm sure Jess has two. It seems like an overwhelming topic. You basically did it in an all night session, so hats off to you. Thank you so much. And luckily, because the report has gone kind of long, it's nearly your bedtime again. You've stayed away. You've nearly made it. I definitely recommend it, people have access to ESPN to check out the documentary series 30 for 30. I think it's called Made in America. There's plenty of stuff out there if you want to watch more stuff. I'll put some links in the show notes of course, to articles and documentaries you can watch. I watch one of those great

national geographic low budget ones as well. Nice one. And it was really annoying because they kept going asking questions. Why did the prosecution not do this? And then they'd go on and they'd ask a question every minute and then answer all the questions at the end and none of them were satisfying answers. Oh yeah that's frustrating. But I learned I did learn a bit from the show, but yeah. Anyway, why am I bringing that up now? Well, I don't know, I'm doing it. You made it. Well done.

I'm on top of the world, baby. All right. Dave, boot us on. Thanks everyone for listening this far. We do absolutely appreciate it. You can always get in contact or find all the links to our stuff at our website soon to be renovated, if you will, but it's still looking pretty good right now.

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