Two In The Think Tank - 266 - Pauline Dakin's Mysterious Life on the Run

Episode Date: November 25, 2020

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Well, this is how you can find out. Now on with the show. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Matt Stewart. Hi, Dave, I'm Matt Stewart. That is Jess Perkins and you are Dave Wanakie. Is this my life? Yes, this one. Well, technically, yeah, this is part of your life. If I could add, I am Jess Perkins. That is Matt Stewart and you are Dave Wanakie. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for clarifying. And this is your death. Oh, no. Bring out the baseball bats. No, no, no, no Oh my God. Like clubbing to death. Oh no, they're starting on machines.

Well, this is an North American special, so we should do a Canadian classic of clubbing to death, a small, you're not quite a seal, but you're, you know, you've got big, beautiful eyes, much like a baby seat. Yeah, and you're very slick to touch. Very slick and I smell awful. Yeah. A lot like fish. Yes. Yeah. Okay, I'm glad you addressed that. Yeah, that's fun. You've been wanting to for a while, I'd be so.

Is that a Canadian tradition, clubbing baby seals today? I feel like any Canadians watching might not love that. Well, why do they partake then? Yeah, good point. Good point. You know, be the change. You want to see him so forth. As I always say in Canada, thank you so much.

Hey. All right, that's all good fun. Dave, I really want to tell the listeners how this show works, but I just don't have the words. Well, luckily for you, last week, I did a little call out on the show, where I said, what do you mean great? And we had like a 60's song, theme song,

what that explained what the show is, because we always funnel about it, even though we've been doing it every week for five years. And would you believe it? One of the great song writers from Puerto Rico, who also happens to be a listener of the show, Julio Vargas has sent in a theme song that explains how the show works. So there's only one thing to say, and that is hit it! To a research on a secret topic, the other two,

Drined up to interrupt. And they always started with a question. So here's a question. Yeah. That is so good. Thank you so much, Julia. What an absolute legend. That was brilliant. I love that. I only David heard that before now

What did you think Jess? I'm obsessed with it. I think I just got goose bumps. All right. I'm gonna vote for that in the hottest 100 Absolutely. I love that song, but to see you know, that's actually not the only one submission that we've had during the week Oh, so if you are out there and you are a songwriter and you want to record An intro like that that would be during the week. So if you are out there and you are a songwriter and you want to record an intro like that, that would be absolutely awesome. Yeah, go for it. But I think so much to all the effort for the first one. That's a very, very high bar. Yeah, absolutely. And like Julio said, here's the question. The global livability ranking annually ranks the most livable cities in the world. That's more statement so far a question Melbourne and Vienna have long taken out the top two spots

But which North American city has often nipped at their heels finishing third in 2016 2017 and 2018 oh The North American city. The North American, it must be. It's a Canadian one. Maybe. Montreal. It's not Montreal. Is it Canadian or is it? It is Canadian.

Oh, well done Dave. OK, well it's over to you now. Vancouver? Vancouver's absolutely wiped out 50 states and many more cities within. That's right. He was like, well, it's obviously not a marital. If I were to guess who I just put down a lot of cities, but you were correct to. Yeah.

That's one of the big ones. Vancouver. Yes, it is Vancouver. And Vancouver is where today's story begins. Oh, for those listening, which is probably everyone who just heard that question and sentence. Well, in fact, some people use zone out while you're driving. That's true. So just back it up, hit the minus 15 seconds on the iPod of your choice. Yeah, and listen again. Okay, so for those listening and for those who are just listening again, because you missed the first time around, this is our first stop on a world tour, live from Shuba Dolce

Geo's, and we're in North America. That's why we're alluding to that a little bit. And that's why this story occurred in Canada. I put three topics up for the vote all in North America and this one was the winner. It was a topic suggested by Harry E. Ware and Rob Dayman, well, Daman. And it's a strange family tale.

According to the BBC, Pauline Dacons' childhood in Canada in the 1970s was full of secrets, disruption and unpleasant surprises. She wasn't allowed to talk about her family life with anyone. Even her family? Especially her family. Oh, OK. No, I guess she probably would have been able family? Especially her family. Oh, okay.

No, I guess you probably would have been able to talk to her with a family. I have a feeling I've like read an article or something about this. Well, get ready to hear an article about this. Oh! So are you deliberately not naming what the topic is? I mean, if you've heard of it, then you'll know the story.

And if you haven't heard of it, you won't have heard of it. So just let him tell the freaking story. I don't really know what to call it yet. It's true. You could tell me later that... Yeah, we'll come up with a name later. Come up with a name in post. Yeah.

Right. She later said, this is Pauline. My brother and I would say, what do you think is wrong with our family? Why are we so weird? But that was the mystery that just didn't get answered. Wow. The BBC writes, Pauline's parents, Warren and Ruth,

separated when she was five. Warren, a successful businessman, was a heavy drinker who would become violent and at a point Ruth just couldn't take it anymore. Nice split, obviously. I said that at the start of that paragraph. A few years later, according to the Guardian, when Pauline was nine, her

mother packed up a Volkswagen camper in Vancouver for a holiday in Winnipeg, more than a thousand miles away, about a full day's drive. When they got there, over a mug of cocoa, the children learned they were never going home. Oh, it was not a holiday. Wow. And they're driving pretty quick. 100 miles an hour for 10 hours to get there. No toilet breaks. Well As Pauline remembers there was no opportunity to say goodbye. It was just this abrupt severing of relationships Pauline would ask her mom why they had to abandon their life in Vancouver, but would never get a good explanation Conor Pauline should say I'm sorry. I can't tell you when you're older, I will tell you.

That summer in 1974 was the last time I thought of my family's having any relation to normal, she would later write in her memoir, run, hide, repeat. The events that followed made Ted and I know we were different somehow apart. Ted would sometimes in the years that followed refer to normal families, not in a critical way, but in a straightforward acknowledgement that we were not one.

The family moved around so much that Pauline attended six different schools in seven years. What do you, any thoughts so far? Maybe not, Jess, if she already knows the story, Dave? I don't know, are they like in witness protection or something like that? Yeah, it could be something like that. It could be something like that. Or I don't know, or their dad of their hiding, but there's a pretty dangerous dude maybe. Some sort of assassin.

Oh, yeah, and he's got some sort of a creed where he must kill his children. Yeah. I've played that game, but that sounds about right. You know, I have a violent video game. Yeah, yeah. Hey, don't tell me to watch. Go on to the guard. In the next major relocation came when she was 13.

When she was finally settled in a school she liked, had close friends and was starting to be interested in boys. This time Ruth actually told them where they were going, all the way to New Brunswick in the far east of Canada, was another like 30 something hours away. So they'd started off basically on the west coast, the fanciful is close to it and they ended up over a couple long trips moving all the way to the other side. Basically, to put it into Australian terms,

start in Melbourne, move to Adelaide, and it up in Perth. Gotcha. But only in reverse of that. But I guess that's because we're in Australia. I flipped it when he's to West. Right. She went west to East.

Gotcha. So, startling Perth, move to Adelaide, and it up in Melbourne. Gotcha. Startling Perth now we're here. Gotcha. So started in Perth. Yeah. Move to Adelaide. Uh-huh. Ended up in Melbourne. Yeah. Gotcha. Started in Perth. Now we're here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you for putting that into a context I can understand because I was like, what do you mean? What do you mean? They started at one place. Yeah. And then they went to a different place. I was like, WTF map. Yeah, what do you? But then you made it nice and clear for me and now I get it. I'd already been through that Oh

And that's and then I called my mom yeah, and she explained me in terms of understand which is Perth Oh Melville your arm makes my the BBC didn't put that in the article. No, they didn't really think I know very poor journalism Lazy yeah, yeah, they should have known they should fact check stuff like that. Yeah, and put them in God make it easy for the layman, you know? Yes. Which we very much are.

Yeah, I'm a very layman. In New Brunswick, the Deacons would against her start to build a new life. In a book, Pauline describes a family life as being relatively normal, at least on the surface. But she also described the feelings of confusion, anxiety, and depression lur working beneath the surface. Which is pretty understandable, I think.

Be so frustrating. And what a frustrating answer. I'll tell you later. And that's not something that would ease the mind of a child. Yeah, like I saw it is something. Yeah, so something is wrong. And it's serious if you can't tell me. And kids, they pick up on a lot of stuff. So their mum is a bit, you know, like frantically packing

them in, like, they would get the feeling that, oh, we're running from something. Yeah. You know, but I, she won't tell us. Yeah, exactly. But there is a mug of cocoa. So. Which is like a Canadian version of Milo, I guess. Oh, okay. Did you look that up as well? She continued writing. I knew something bad was happening. I didn't know what it was, but there was always a sense of something dire that was unspoken. It's like, either you go, no, there's nothing to worry about. I just, you know, I'm free and easy. I like to move.

I'm a cool mom! Yeah, I'm chasing the sun. Or you go, I gotta let you know, your'm free and easy. I like to move. I'm a cool mom. Yeah, I'm chasing the sun. Or you go, I gotta let you know, your dad's got an assassin's creed. Yeah. Video game. Is that true? It's really scary.

Oh, I don't want you to see it. It's MA, you're only 13. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It also happened from day to day. Like the day she returned home to find her mother throwing out all the food from the fridge. Ruth told her that the food had gone bad. But Pauline remembers thinking, even as a child, catch up and muster don't go bad. There are things in there that don't go bad quickly. Why would you do that?

Well, what's happened there is she's realized that catch up doesn't belong in the fridge. It should be in the pantry. So once it's been in the fridge, that's it. Throw it out, start again in the pantry. You're ready to go. Much like chocolate. No, both belong in the fridge, especially chocolate, but especially tomato sauce. So, um, Jess, ketchup actually is tomato sauce. Oh, I don't know why they're given it a fancy name up north where we are now in Northland. You're going to get an arm actually on that.

up north where we are now in North America. You're going to get an arm actually on that. Because I think they ask slightly different things. Cats up. Cats up. Cats up. Cats up. Excuse me, where are the Burns O's? Simpson's reference for those.

Playing along. No, North America. Everyone must know that show. Talk to them in the show. Is that big in North America, everyone must. Yeah, sure. I'm talking to the other show, you know. Is that big in North America? Ha, ha, ha. There are also times when Ruth would pull the kids out of school midweek,

wants to go hiking and stay overnight in a mountain cabin for a few days. Another time they would pull out of school to go bowling. So some of it sounds fun. Yeah, a bit, right? Like an excursion with mum. I mean, even though they're done with some sort of assassin, they're like, you'll never think to look for a son of a bully.

He drives past and he's like, no, I wouldn't be in there. That's lame. Yeah, come on. Surely they're at the movies. Things have settled down a bit. Once the family were in New Brunswick and the big relocation stops are stopped and the kids started making their way through school, relatively normally almost. And by

1988 Pauline had graduated from uni which got a photo of here for those watching the stream and she got a job writing for a local newspaper in nearby St. John. That photo beautifully dates it to 1988. Those glasses. They're back, I reckon. She get away with them today. Hope she kept them. Hope a description does a change. I like the, I like 80s glasses because it meant that not only your eyes could see clear, but so could your cheeks and some of your, you know, the top of your mouth. Yep. that were big

And the top of my mouth likes to see And I like what it sees There's a classic pickup line from the 80s my mouth likes what it sees Okay, well, I'd like to go home with you right now Works every day. So it was then when Paul A.M. was 23 that her mother Roof called asking to meet up. She said, so what's her mother's name?

Ruth. Thank you. Oh, okay. What did you think? You said Roof. I said Roof. Her mother Roof. Oh, I was going to let it go,

and then just came you look like this. That was a look of, are you going to do it or shall I? I mean, they are very similar. Very similar. Sorry. And you had led to a couple of awkward times when honey roof. So Ruth came over and we had a bit of a leak in her and I didn't know what to do. Sorry, she's 23. Ruth's come to her.

I call Ruth Seal and... Roof Roof. So her mother Roof, which is also what seals do say. Yes. That makes sense up in bed. Maybe that's what. Is that why they have to club them because they're annoying? Yeah.

Roof Roof Roof Roof Roof. Oh, shut, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, r to come clean. She said, I'm ready to explain all these strange things that have happened throughout your life. And then she asked Paul and Amida at a motel halfway between where they were both living. Oh, that sounds so, so, so. Yeah. I feel weird meeting my mum at a motel. Yeah. You know. Did her mum say a motel. Mum, maybe a bistro. Sure, of course. A cafe. Lovely. Did she say, come alone? I imagine.

Yeah, she'll make sure you're not followed. No, Mum, what are you talking about? You telling me not to bring my boyfriend? Is that okay? Fine. You don't like Darren? I think that probably was true. But I love you. So, boyfriend of the time, she wasn't allowed to tell him what she was about to learn.

Oh, wow. On arrival, Ruth handed Pauline an envelope and a note which read, don't say anything, take your jewelry off, put it in an envelope, I'll explain, just don't talk. Okay. What is going on here? Well, I know. Do you? Yes. So you're the only one that gets to guess. Sure. Is the jewelry bugged? That might be part of the concern. Yeah. What? Pauline recalled, it was just the most bizarre thing I thought, who are

you? What are you doing? But I did what she told me. Is it mom after all? Yeah. Ruth then took Pauline into one of the motel rooms where a man named Stan Sears was waiting for them. Stan was a church minister who Ruth had met at a support group for the families of alcoholics. He had cancelled Ruth after she went to him when struggling with her ex-husband and his abuse. On both occasions that the deacons had relocated, Stan's family arrived in the new city too. So while Pauline was surprised to find Stan in that motel room, she laid a set of Stan's family, whatever had been going on, they were a part of. I knew that.

It was obviously the Sierraars family was somehow connected. Okay. Or just a wild coincidence. Did they? Oh, it's easy. Oh my God, it's so weird. What are the odds here in Adelaide or Canada's version of? Oh, thank you. Yep. Right. So, Stan and Ruth sat Pauline down and explained what had been going on and why they needed to relocate without warning. This is from the BBC. Stan and Ruth told Pauline that for the past 16 years, they'd been on the run from the Mafia and that Pauline's family had been targeted because of her father Warren and his involvement with organized crime. So you were pretty bang on.

She couldn't wear her jewelry because it needed to be tested for bugs Which you also Bang on I just didn't think it would be I don't see didn't think it would be it sounds paranoid to me. Yeah, the mafia bug people like that their jewelry Oh, yeah, right fantastic. Oh, yeah, they're listening right now. Oh Thank you mind speaking into my ring. Is that way you have to kiss the Godfather's hand? Yeah.

I killed seven people. Got him. Got one time. Never whisper into the Godfather's ring. Confess your sins into my ring. That's why every time I see you I say, oh David, Oshra Tei! Got him. The BBC continues, Stan explained that it all started after he had canceled a mafia kingpin who wanted to turn his back on his criminal pass.

When the mob discovered that the man had broken its code of silence and come to Stan for counseling, they had him assassinated and had then come after stand thinking he probably knew too much. Later when Ruth, the imbited ex-wife of a mobster, had started working as a secretary at Stance Church, she too had become a target. So that's why Stann was in the gun, that's why Ruth was also in the gun, that's why they were both of their families were on the run. Paul Inleta said,

a remember a feeling of terror coming over me, this might be something we could never escape. Stan explained that there was a government sanctioned task force protecting them, whoever the years had foiled attempts to kidnap and even assassinate members of the families. According to the BBC, as well as this government sanctioned task force, Stan also explained that there were shadowy communities, towns or villages in different parts of the country, where people who'd been targeted by the mafia could go on a protective custody. So I'd like where Homer went and worked for Hank Scorpio.

Am I confusing episodes? That's too absurd. Yeah. The Thompson's. Kate Fier. Kate Fier. Sorry, Simpson's fans. This is a crazy turn of events. Yeah.

Why did she use about 23? 23. 23. Well, I imagine growing up knowing like something's not right, but they won't tell me, so. Yeah, and I mean, she must have had some thoughts like this in her mind. These must be of all the things you'd go through

in your head, why are we on the run? These are kind of classic reasons to be on the run, where we're afraid of people killing us. Yeah, that's a pretty good reason to be on the run. Classic, but still extremely uncommon. Yeah, that's true. But there's a reason it's a classic. It works. Yeah, that's right. This tells us all this time itself. So Stan was now living in one of these secret communities

known as Place of Hope, which is a great name. Beautiful. And he's, he really a minister. Yes. Oh, that's right. Because he took the confession. So I just thought this might be like an undercover thing. Yeah. Those Stan's wife chose not to go with him. And so Stan and his partner had split up. After years on the run, Ruth told, so this is still them being explained at the motel. Ruth told Pauline, she was finally going to go inside the protective community also.

Stan and Ruth then told Pauline that they'd been secretly in love for many years and now that Stan was single, this was their chance to be together. So she was going inside to be with Stan as a relationship. All of these revelations were a lot for Pauline to take in. Yeah, that's understandable, Eric. One of them, okay. But you know, like, we're on the run from your dad. You'd be like, okay. And then, you know, but then you add like, take your jewelry off.

It's probably bugged. Also, this is your new dad. It's just a long. And there's secret communities all throughout this continent. So, is the entire community in it? Yeah, I think it's the whole town is. Yeah, well, they haven't described how big the town is. I imagine they're pretty small communities.

And I think it sounds like they're in forested areas and stuff as well. Maybe it's like one of those like retirement community village places. Oh, right. Everyone's got their own houses and stuff, but you're in a gated community. Paul Gellies. Maybe it's like one of those like retirement community village places. You know, everyone's got their own house and stuff, but you're in a gated community. Have you ever gone to one of them? And they'll, and they have a recuse of asking too many questions. It's probably one of the second ones.

Yeah. What kind of pies you got here today? Get out. Yeah. Yeah, be curious, mate. Yeah. But no, take what you're given, okay?

Wearing a lot of bling to her notice. Mr. T, very suspicious, ma'am. Everything is blocked. She said she was sick with fear and sadness and it felt like life was shattering all around me. Oh, yeah. Stan and Ruth also helped explain many of the strange occurrences of her youth for instance They explain that the food in the fridge had to be thrown out as I'd receive word that somebody was trying to poison

Like how are you that that adds up now? I'm excited. Even the ketchup. That is a dog act. Yeah And the mustard you're gonna buy new ketchup and mustard Favorite mustard? Oh, I mean, Dejon maybe? Oh, classic English. Yeah, I like hot English. Oh yeah, but there's so many good ones.

So many good mustard. That's classic American mustard. That real yellow one you put on hot dogs. Does a honey mustard count? Oh, honey mustard. I love a honey mustard. I love that. Do you want to add a man?

What about a musk stick? Does that count as a mustard? Oh, you to add a little bit of mustard? What about a musk stick? Does that count as a mustard? You've got a little too far. Just mustard as a color, because you know I love that. Yeah, kernel mustard is also a good option. Kern mustard is the candlestick in the observatory. My favorite player. My favorite player too.

So we can never play Clude, are you too far over it? I can't believe it's not your favorite player. You're the biggest mustard head I know. I would always go for is it scarlet? Scarlet you guys first come on. That's the toad of the my right cut world in the Cludeau world Wow You go all right Okay Pack

Okay, all right, so you just want to cheat then Okay, I would never cheat at Cludeau. I want you to know that okay fun Well then pick Professor Plum. Like, everyone else. Fine, I'll be Plum. Oh, thank you. I just want to be the hot one for once. I'll be Miss White. Yeah.

That's a lot. They're a character of Miss White. I think she's the maid. I feel like I can only remember Colonel Musset. Why is there a Colonel and a professor, but all the women are Miss? Why can't we have cool titles? It was a different time. Yeah.

Is the green one Mr. Green? I think so. Yeah, very. That's good stuff. That's good writing. All right, I'll buy Pluto. All right, Pluto, all of a sudden. My sister would always beat me.

Do you know why? Because she would be Miss Scarlett. All right. Come on, man. Okay, so your perception of Miss Scarlett always cheating is actually your sister always you guys first. I mean Okay Yeah, yeah, he's just doing a lot of our rolling. Yeah, sorry about that Anyway, may I go on. Yeah, please do go on. Sorry. I mean, you started out with your favorite mustard,

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Well, that's awful. Yeah, I didn't enjoy that. Another time I called on the baby, BBC, the children had come home from school and been rushed through the house, told a scrub their feet in the bath, and made to wear plastic bags over their socks for the rest of the day. There was a sinister reason for all of these strange episodes. Is it because they thought Howard Hughes was coming to kill them? What were they doing?

There was another weird attempt on their life and they thought something in the carpet was, yeah, the carpet had been spiked somehow with poison. We'll get you through your feet. Yeah, I don't follow. As unbelievable as it sounds, there were all these explanations that made pieces that had been so troubling,

fallen to some kind of a patent, a narrative, Pauline said. Stan and Ruth spent the weekend answering her questions. Then when it was time to go, Stan put a transmitter in Pauline's car to allow the government task force to more easily track her and make sure she was safe. According to the BBC, he also gave her a small transistor radio that had a broadcast function so that Pauline could send or send a call for help. He warned me, I only use it if your life is really in danger because people will respond and put their life on the line for you. So don't fuck around with this. Yeah, it's not like help, help and someone runs in,

kicks down the door and you're like, I'm out of milk. Could you go get me some, could you be a doll? But in fairness, they're not really, they're putting their life on the line in theory only there. They've come in, realised that there's not a medicine here. They're not in danger. Yeah, but they did jump through a window, so they are quite badly cut. You're a cuckoo. But she's out of milk. Exactly. And then they're looking at the fridge, she's not out of milk. She just doesn't have full cream, like she likes. Yeah. There's not out of milk. She just doesn't have full cream like she likes. Yeah.

There's light crap. Yeah. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's border pretending to be milk. Exactly. After that weekend, Pauline returned to her life with her partner. She was sharing a home with, but she wasn't allowed to tell any of this.

She just learned. Imagine how, you know, when you've got a small secret, you can't tell a friend. Imagine being like, my whole world has just been turned upside down. I struggle buying presents for my partner, not telling him. I'm like, he knows, he knows, do you lie to cover it up?

I'm having an affair, that's why I was out tonight. You've got to wear with that one. Every time, just before he's birthday, every year. Exactly. I have a family birthday every year, and then on his birthday bang Xbox game. There it is. Oh, it was an Xbox game. He's left. He's guys packed his stuff. Yeah, the Xbox game always he comes crawl. Oh, the new FIFA. And the cycle begins again. So she's back with her partner after a weekend away

that I don't know how she even explained that. Oh, yeah, just, you know, just not enough air. Just not enough air. Just not enough air with an Xbox player. Xbox player. Jeannie, I knew with a game up. I didn't think this could get worse. But it has.

Sucked in, gainers. That's you. Yeah, it's you Dave. I've got an Nintendo Switch Lite. She also went back to her job at the local newspaper. And while she tried to keep it all together, on the inside, she was struggling to come to terms with it all. She became more paranoid by the day, always looking over her shoulder

and suspecting every passing car as a potential threat. She stopped eating out at restaurants for fear of being poisoned and used her home phone sparingly, assuming it was bugged. Right, she must have had a bedazzled. Um.

It's covered in jewels. When she communicated with Stan and Ruth, she heard increasingly alarming information. According to the BBC, this included the news that many people they knew weren't really the people they seemed to be. The story was that some people who had been around us during my childhood, who were involved with organised crime, had been picked up, arrested, killed or otherwise disappeared and then replaced by doubles. Sometimes the double was put in place by the good guys and sometimes the double would be put in place by the bad guys.

So you were never 100% sure whose double it was. The double double? It was espionage, yeah. It's triple double. Is there a chance that roof and stand are lying? I mean, there Is there a chance that roof and stand aligned? I mean, there's always a chance. Yeah, so at what point like it just sounds like it's getting crazier and crazy It's something you is that now there's doubles of people that I knew in my chart. Is that yeah? I'm a similar little ridiculous Yeah, but Stan always explained He said the doubles spent months studying home videos to learn how to behave convincingly.

And you specialised plastic surgeons and make up artists to perfect their disguises. This sounds crazy now. Dave, why would I be telling you about a story if it wasn't fully legit? It did. Apologised to Matt. Why would you incinerate me? Sorry to the BBC. Thank you.

The BBC, it's not bullshit, concocted by counties. It's not. Is that BCC? That's BCC. Bullshit by counties. It's not that. It's not that. It's not the BCC.

It's not in the BCC. It's going to take a while to list things that it's not. In fact, I that. It's not the BCC. It's not in the BCC. It's going to take a while to list the things that it's not. In fact, I shouldn't have even mentioned the BCC. I've said too much. Oh no. Are you a double? Both Pauline and Ruth received many letters from people they knew inside the protective community, including strangely, from her father and her godfather, who were both being held in a top secret prison inside.

The Godfather. Yes. Yes. Pretty good, actually. So they're in its top secret prison. Yeah, and like you, Dave Poins instinct was to be skeptical, after all, she was a journalist and she was taught to go

as question everything. But the handwriting looked authentic to her and the letters were about their shared past, things that weren't common knowledge. Besides Pauline thought herself, who on earth would have the time to forge them if they weren't real? It would be ridiculous. This is again from the BBC, which is not. Let me stress, big, bold camels. It is not. This is the British broadcasting counties. And they don't muck about.

They don't muck about. We're not eating a muck about. We're the boo boo to the Dispire being plagued by doubts Pauline always had to acknowledge that the two people telling over this incredible story We're a mother and Stan the most trustworthy people she knew It was a crazy story and I did have some challenges believing it she says But if I couldn't trust them who could I trust yeah with the dangerous nature of her private life Pauline was struggling more than ever with her job at the local paper. Fearing for her life day-to-day, made reporting on local town council meetings

feel a bit frivolous. On top of this, she was not allowed to tell anyone, including her boyfriend, that the mafia were after her. You should probably tell him because if they're after her, he's probably a target, too, right? So I reckon you probably should let him know. Well, I imagine he would have asked questions and she would have said, I'll tell you when you're older.

Yeah. He'd be like, I'm 28. What are you talking about? Well, when you're a big boy, they'll tell you. She decided, I can't live like this. And that she was going to go inside. She decided she'd go into the secret world. Back to the BBC,

Stantold Pauline that there was work inside that she could do, that there was a community of good people there that she could be a part of. He was building a cottage for himself and her mother and said he could arrange for one to be built for her too. He brought her carpet samples and showed her plans and a photo of the horse that she would have. He was gonna to get her a horse. I'll be wearing those carpet samples, though. And the horse. Make sure that horse is in a double. And make sure that horse isn't just

two men in a horse suit. Oh my God. We've got a cup of cup of it in poison. Yeah. That would that would really be a double then. Wouldn't it? Two people in a horse suit. Pauline left her job, sold her house and broke up with her boyfriend. It was just becoming too hard to keep the secret. Yeah, that's fair. And she was gonna move into a secret world and not be able to tell him about it. That was gonna become too difficult.

Jess is cutting loose so easily. Yeah, that's fair. Whatever. Well, she's probably also feels like she's protecting him by distancing him from her, but also kind of loose. Do you want me to say something? She said, it's not you.

It's not me. It's the mafia. It's the mafia. And he's like, what? Just say it's me then. And come on. Don't come up with this crazy story, which you didn't even reveal. Yeah.

If this is just a ploy by Roof to break up, which he didn't even reveal. Yeah. If this is just a ploy by Roof to break up, because she doesn't like the boyfriend, this would be amazing. Yeah, that's a big meddling. It's not good enough for you. Not my mother-in-law. Like monster-in-law, am I right? That's funny. Thank you.

Weas it. So still from the BBC, Pauline left her job, sold her house, and broke up with her boyfriend. She moved to Halifax in Nova Scotia, where she found work and a new home while she and her mother waited for word that it would be safe to go inside. We were told that there had been threats against family members and that if we were to disappear again, all hell would rain down on anyone we left behind.

The intelligence gatherers were telling us that the mob had some sense that we might be planning to disappear so they were threatening us. We were always on hold. She met a new man, Kevin. And this time, Pauline's boyfriend was allowed in on the family secret. Oh, congrats, Kevin.

Kevin agreed that he would keep the secret And he would also move in in the secret society. What? What if Kevin get the trust? It's interesting isn't it? Yeah I don't know. So I'm gonna be about him. Just I'm about him. No you know you know. Yeah. Don't you Kevin might be in on it. No Kevin's just the one. Okay. You know. Are you so bitter and cynical that you can't even see true love anymore? What is wrong with you, Dave?

Is Kevin a giant brooch? I've been recording every conversation. She's not to say. Roots like, I like him. I like him. Sparkly. I see Sparkly, I know that little bit. Green, he's got these chests.

Yeah, I like that bit. I like talking into it Oh, lovely you heaven. Oh, if you're given you're gonna be the best son in law I've ever had They soon married as well at the wedding Thank you. It's a long Stan walk pulling down the aisle in her father Warren's absence. I still don't know what to think here well So in 1990 Pauline's brother Ted also got married. Pauline was warned that many of the guests were double doubles and according to the Guardian, these doppelgangers included Pauline's aunt Penny and even her father, who she'd only seen once in the previous decade. So her dad was at her brother's wedding

But it wasn't her dad it was a double of a dad that double does her brother know as well Yeah, I think her brother because she's the one who's been most public with the story yeah, right all through her eyes I think her brother's been a bit more quiet about just try to move on. I guess two ways you deal with it I guess Her dad is a double. Yeah. She's got a double dad. What? Do the mafia bother going into this much effort?

Yes. Have you been listening to a word? I've said, yeah, but do that. Yeah, but that's if you take it at faith failure, which I'm still struggling to it. Right. Dad as a double. Yeah, double dad.

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Here's an example of a letter written to Ruth and Pauline at the time. So there's still waiting to go inside. Dear R&P, people from the inside seem to just use an issue. I guess the code can't be cracked. Sure. Dear R&P, this has to be a hurried note to you both.

Sorry, I haven't time to write separate letters. We are so busy with another large group of children that we are taxed to the utmost. I'm wondering of course how you both are. Excited I'm sure about the future. And at the same time, a bit scared or reluctant to leave that world and enter this one. I can understand that, but I can also assure you

that it is a wonderful world and really not at all confined as you might think it is. Why am I typing? It's a type letter. Why am I typing? Only because my pen is dry and I don't want to go to the office for another one, weird detail. That is very strange detail.

No, it was questioning until he brought it up. Why am I typing? Well, I've only got one pen. Sorry, you're living over there with a whole box of pens. But I've got one pen and it's gonna be dry because I'll lift the cap off, okay? Show your pens, Pauline.

Share them. I'm only got one pen. So that does actually add up for me, yeah, I do that. If you can't trust that your dad's your dad, how can you trust this letter? Yeah, which is very defensive for some reason. Yeah. The letter, the final paragraph talks a bit about Stan, heard new sort of father figure. From rumors I get, you, Pauline or you, P, are all ready being

spoiled by your new father. A horse? Yeah, I think that is great. You, Ruth, have been spoiled by S-stand. For a long time, I think. So you don't need a horse. God, that's a weird. But also, um, Pauline's in a mid-20s. And it's like, this is your new dad. She doesn't. This is your new dad. he's getting you a horse. Yeah, a horse. You don't need a horse. Ruth don't need a horse. Ruth you don't need a horse.

Because Stan, you already know Stan loves you so you don't need a horse. So, okay, so Stan is buying Pauline's love, okay? Yeah. But is she taking back the horse there? The horse is in there. She's going in. When she goes in, she gets a horse.

Little cherry on top. Little, it's a shining and tiece you. Yeah. Like leaving in she gets a horse. Little cherry on top. So try and entice you. Yeah. Like, leaving little treats for a puppy. I'm glad it says it's a late 20s woman. Yes, a married woman in her late 20s, who now has a new dad. Why am I typing?

Well, bloody. Thanks for asking. Yeah. My hand hurts. I I mean there could be any number of reasons it's weird to be to be where did you brought this up why you held up on this small point I've got what why not be like hey cool you got a top right of now God always with the negative while plans were supposedly in place for them to move in Kevin and Pauline Stan would always delay it, saying the time wasn't right.

Then in 1993, five years after being led in on the secret, Pauline's doubts about the story reached breaking point. She's like, I've just got to find out if this is real or not, saying, I was at war with myself and I wanted to find some definitive way to prove it right or wrong. She obviously, she had big dicks, it's a wild story. So the whole way through, she's, she's gone, can this be real, but it's also all she's ever really known and the, also it's a bit of a risk isn't like if it is real, you know, you're going to find out probably the hard

way to play. So she's done down or something. Yeah, exactly right. So she decided to set up a low key sting operation. When her mum was off to visit Stan on the inside, Pauline called her saying, somebody's broken into my house, what should I do? This is a test. This is the trap she set. Okay. Ruth replied, I'll ask our friend and call you back.

And the BBC takes it from here. I'll ask your new dad. Yeah. It's also, he's a bit offended that he haven't started calling him dad. Yeah. So if you could do that a bit more. What do you mean that you're in your mid to late 20s

and you don't see him as a father because you're an adult, you're sad. Why haven't you started calling him dad? Call him dad. So if you speak to him about this emergency, if you could call him dad, that would really make him feel bad. He would love that.

So. Let's take the time. Take the time, make a little bit of it. You'd love for my being danger, but just call him dad. Yeah, dad really make him feel bad. He would love that. So just take the time. Take the time, make a little bit of it. You love him, I mean danger, but just call him dad. He's giving you a horse. The least you can do is call the man, dad. Is your dad or your double dad ever got your horse before? No.

No, this is your new dad. Your dad? He's had two cracks at it. As exact original wine and as double wine. Double wine. Don't have either of them got your horse. Two moles, zero horses. Cut him loose.

So this is from the BBC. Standard made it clear to Pauline and Ruth that they must never go to the police to report any of the threats and strange goings on in their lives. The police, he said, couldn't be trusted. If there was ever any trouble, they should come to him and he would let them know if he got word of any plots that put them in danger. He had a special contraption implanted in his wallet for receiving messages. It would do a Morse code, dash and dots message, and he would take

it out and a little note pad and decipher it. All right, so he would just feel it going off in his ass. In his ass. Dash, dash, dot, dot, dash, dash, dash, dot. You're all right. Oh, sorry, Mittball, dash, first. DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH DASH I was terrified because it was the moment that I was going to get the answer to this horrible quandary that I'd been living with. Ruth told her she wasn't able to talk on the phone and they must meet immediately. Back to the BBC. Once there, Pauline listened, horrified.

As Ruth and Stan told her that two people had been picked up just down the street from her house earlier that day, that they had photos of her, they had been following her and they were looking for certain things in her house, possibly related to Wayne or her actual dad. When she said that, I knew the whole thing was a hoax pull-in recalled, because they had been no break-in, I made it up. Faaah! Oh, what a moment you lost! Yeah, it's just about 28 now.

All the moves and disappearances, all the running, all the sick terrifying stories, all the upheaval, all the isolation, this is from her book Run Hard Repeat. It was all because of her lie, a fucking lie, all made up, all the laid creation of the brilliant twisted imagination of this man who had chosen a love and trust as a father. Never called him dad there. All the marriages to Kevin, that was unnecessary.

No, she loved Karen. Did she? No, ow. She loved the other guy. Did she? Cause she caught him was pretty. Yeah, as soon as this huge conspiracy secret that she had that she wasn't allowed to let him in on,

as soon as that really got going. Yeah, she was like, get out of here. Yeah. But yeah, she was like, get out of here. But yeah, she was shattered and took her a week of soul searching before she could confront her mom and go, hey, I know the truth now. But does the mom know? Well, back to the BBC, when she did, Ruth was horrified and upset, but not because she believed Pauline's accusations against Stan. What worried her was that if Pauline no longer believed the story, she would be putting herself in danger. So Ruth was deep in it and believed it. She wasn't... She's been in it for so long that it would take way more than one bit of evidence against it to convince her.

And she's close to Stan. She's living with him now. Yeah. She loves Stan. Ooh. When Pauline confronted Stan and said to Stan, look, I know this is bullshit. There was no break in. Stan said there must have been a mistake.

The report about the man who'd been picked up after searching a house must have been incorrect. There would be an investigation in a shorter. My memory of that night was how sad he was, she said. I was no longer one of them. She could tell he knew even though he wasn't owning up to it. But she reckons he could, you know, there was just something changed. Wow. It would seem that rather than being in on the lie, Ruth was also a victim of it. The following months were filled with Pauline attempting to convince her that Stan had been lying to them in vice versa, with Ruth trying to convince her daughter she needed to take it all seriously. I was furious and resentful and I thought I hated Stan for a long time, Pauline said.

But I finally decided that my mother was not in on this. Stan was making it up, but I just couldn't think of a reason why I would have done it. In search of answers, Pauline visited a psychiatrist. I said, what do you think this could be? He's clearly not schizophrenic. He does not appear to be psychotic. He's a professional. He's well respected. People always talk about what a great guy is.

What could be going on? This is from the Guardian. Considerable solace came when Pauline was able to put a name to what Sears was suffering from. At different points, she had considered many different possibilities. Then one day in 2014, she read about a rare condition called delusional disorder. This typically comes on later in life, and unlike many other psychiatric conditions,

the sufferer experiences delusions, but in many other ways behaves entirely normally. I don't know if normally is a weird phrase used with this sort of stuff, but anyway. This Pauline believes perfectly sums up seers who was a well-respected pillar of the community type. He was a very compelling guy, she says. He was just so intelligent, but also funny,

and he really connected with people. When he talked to you, he really listened. You felt very hurt. In many ways, Stan was quite brilliant pulling his own. He had an amazing mind, and that allowed his delusion to become much more complex. There was an entire cast of characters. It was like a roller dex, and he always knew who they were

and the stories that were related to them. It was quite remarkable. Like, he never dropped the story until she trapped him basically years later. And he would have had no idea that no one did break into a house. Yeah, right. And so, was that sort of saying that like, he very much believed these stories? Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yeah. It's not necessarily a malicious thing.

Exactly. Yes. Yeah, wow. She's just sort of being caught up in it. He really believes in these delusions he's having. The discovery of the delusional disorder just unlocked something for me and allowed me some understanding of why all this crazy stuff had happened, she says. But also, let me realize that Stan was not malevolent. He wasn't trying to hurt us. We just got caught up in his illness.

I didn't have to be so angry and bitter. I could move on with my life. Stan passed away in 2005, and Ruth didn't accept the truth. Even then, when coincidentally, the letters from the inside about Mafia hits an assassination attempt also ceased. So even though they stopped he dies the letters stopped she's not wise in the same event her belief was so strong that she still fully believed in it but in time Pauline forgave Stan and her mom saying when I had children things changed because they became a focus for all our love. When Ruth developed cancer, she moved in with Pauline and her family, living

her last nine months in the family home before passing on in 2010. It's all a bit sad with Pauline recalling, I hadn't fully forgiven her at that point, but we both knew that we were out of time to sort through this. We had to find some place of peace and eventually we did. Pauline also reconnected with her father Warren, but by this time he was dying of emphysema. It's really as quite a sad story. Was he ever in the mafia? No, I don't think he was just a businessman who was, we wasn't abusive alcoholic, he wasn't a good guy, but it's not like even that bit, was rooted in truth and then that it just,

I don't, I don't think so. And he wasn't a double. No, I think he was always a single. Right, okay. And since he left him, yeah, he was. I don't know, I'm not sure. But, she, she considered filling a dad in on the whole story, the true story, but decided against it saying, I thought it would enrage him and that would not be good for him.

I just didn't think there was anything to gain from it. He was dying. Imagine hearing that on it. You'd be like, wait, what? I didn't get to see my kids because of this other thing. It wasn't just because I was abusive. Finding out about Stan's condition helped Pauline get a little more closure as he's writing a book, Run Hard Repeat. According to the Guardian, since she exposed to his extraordinary fraud, Pauline has had therapy,

but she believes the greatest impact on her recovery has been working on her book. Really, it's the best thing I ever did for myself to say, let's go back and look at this. And she insisted her life's good near. There are early stage discussions about adapting her memoir for the screen, but Pauline Fee is a story might be turned into a schlocky soap opera. I feel as though somebody would look at Stan

and say he's the evil bad guy without acknowledging that in many ways he played a really supportive role in my family's life she says and then pauses I understand the irony of that statement and my mother was a complex and really smart person too I don't want to ever see her portray to some wacky woman who fell for a guy now Pauline says there's nothing she would change about her childhood just fascinating but it's a big, yeah, nod. Okay. She says, I have a great appreciation for my mum. She calls a lot of chaos, but she really did believe she was protecting us. She was gullible to this situation, but in many ways, she was

very wise. Right now, I'm very happy and I have these two great kids, so I can't imagine wanting to change. Then a very roofal smile, but it's taken some work to get to that point. Yeah, I bet. And I guess the point is, she's got kids she loves, her life leads to that point. You know, I don't know if I fully believe in this, but people would say, if you're happy with where you are,

you can't have any regrets, because everything you've done has led to this point, so. I reckon the best thing that her kids could say to her is that she's a boring mum She's like damn right. Yeah, because we got a stable house and I'm not packing shit up and taking your road Yeah, I'm a boring mum. Yeah, that ketchup has been in the fridge quite a while. Yeah Can we get a new ketchup? No, because you haven't finished that one You don't understand that good that feels Yeah, it's so old it will literally become poisonous.

Yeah, so. Let it happen. Let it happen. I was just happy for the natural poison. Natural poison. It was, to me, before it went up, I only read the story through to the reveal that the mafia and stuff.

So I didn't realize that it was quite an extraordinary story. That's an amazing tale. And so your instincts about some of it feeling like bullshit were very much spot on. Yeah, your instincts the whole way through. You were almost like boring. Sorry. Yeah. Where you ruined the story by predicting. It's the way you ruin the story by predicting. That's how we were both going, maybe, yeah, maybe. I don't think I was in quite a top of it. I thought they were just undercover

and moving around for a long time. It's just only when you start saying, oh, these people are all doubles. Yeah. And it's all, and it's all, and it's all, and it's all, and it's all, and he has that and goes, really?

Yeah. His former carton, he did. Yeah, yeah. In words, it was like, it was just the story reached a bit too far. Yeah, it got to two, two. You know, if he'd kept it on that level, you know, yeah, she probably maybe even civilized it now. Yeah, but it does, but it, so many red flags

weren't against that deep. And yeah, and I, so, was so glad to read how she found closure and stuff. Yeah. The BBC article, those two main articles I read from, two of the best ones I found. Obviously, books are also very good. But the BBC one, I think it might have been written

slightly earlier, so it's not, and they didn't talk to her directly. The Guardian one has a much nicer ending where she's coming to terms with it all, she's made peace with it and made it all feel a bit better, but yeah, what a wild ride. And yeah, I mean, what a story, to happen to her, someone who had the skills as a journalist. Yeah, wow. It was a pretty amazing. And apparently it was quite a big book, especially in Canada, Sold really well there. Having the smarts to like fake a break in is really clever. Yeah.

It's just such a subtle, like it was perfect because you would believe it and you did and yeah, amazing. Very, very clever. Wow. Can you knew that story too? Yeah. I think maybe I've put it up in a vote, but it didn't win maybe. Yeah. Very, very, very important. How do you know that story, Jess? Yeah. I think maybe I've put it up in a vote, but it didn't win maybe. Yeah.

Or maybe I'd, yeah, I think it's, I'm asked of saying that suggested by those who you mentioned and done a little bit of reading. So yeah, yeah, I did know, which maybe I shouldn't have revealed, but then I just would have guessed everything right. And you would be like, how does she know it? You're not a good liar, Jess. I know what I could lie. And I can't help but, you know, want to, if you say, I don't know, what could this be, I can't help but be like,

what, I reckon it's this. You're very competitive. Yeah, I always need to be right. You know what I mean? As a foes miss Scarlett. As a very competitive person. That was a fantastic report, Matt. Thanks, I was, honestly, I was compelled.

Oh, I'm glad to hear that. Fascinating. And now it's time for everyone's favorite section of the show, the fact quote a question section. And this is where you can get involved. We're going to Patreon.com slash 2.com pod, signing up on the Sydney Showerberg Deluxe Memorial edition, Rest in Peace level.

And I think this even has a little jingle, I guess, something like this. Facked quote or question. He always remembers the ding. And when you're involved on this level, apart from getting all the benefits of the lower levels of membership, or subscription, or whatever you want to call it, including three bonus episodes every month, voting rights, access to the Facebook group weekly newsletters. I think you get to see Dave's pecs. Is it once a month?

Yes, that's right. Well, Dave's pec. I never show the right one. Yeah, yeah. Only the wrong one. That's for me. And on top of all that, if you're on the Sydney Shamburg level, you get to give us a factor quote or a question. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me. That's for me.

That's for me. That's for me. And on top of all that, if you're on the Sydney Shamburg level, you have to give us a factor quote or a question. You also have to give yourself a title. And that is exactly what these following four people have done, including Roy, AJ Phillips. I wonder where he gets the A and the J from.

Maybe middle initials. Yeah, that's fun. Anthony Joseph. Oh, yeah Roy a K a J a K Roy a K a a J Who's given himself the title of principal proprietor of Irish wristwatches in unique New York? Oh wow Fun. Wow. It's a I'd like to get one with a red leather or yellow leather strap. I want a reversible red leather yellow. Fantastic. Roy did put it brackets. Sorry Matt, been trying to trip you up for the past two or three and

you haven't stumbled yet. I think I might have got to that one again. Yeah, you know, I see. There's no fun, but it all has fire because as I was going on, I'm like, oh no, we're just going. Uh, and try again, Roy. Roy has offered us a fact. And this is Roy's fact, the Canary Islands, off the coast of Africa, are actually named after dogs, not birds. The name comes from the Latin Canary Insulae,

which translates to oil of dogs. The yellow bird was named after the islands in which they are native. That is a great fact. That is such a good fact. Fact. Blondet. That's fun. That's pretty fun. That is a great fact that is such a good fact fact Blonde that that's fine. That's pretty fun. That is a grim That is a grim fact That's great. That's a bangin' that's really great fact. Thanks Roy

I got to say would have assumed as Roy picked that it was the name after the birds. And you know what, what assuming does? Mm-hmm. No. Sorry, I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions there. You're learning. Thank you, Roy. The next one comes from Julian Barnes, who's given himself the title of second reserve

backup dancer Fadooga On-ons and tactic concert tour. Oh, wow. Yes. Oh, I think that's the kind of dancing tour where you want to be on the first string, because it's cold in the wings there. Oh, yeah, for sure. You want to be earning your key prior.

Dancing front of those hot lights. Yes. Just to stay alive. Julian has also offered a fact, jeez, you're coming in. What a tough slot to come in, trying to back up a fact like that. Sorry, JB. But let's see, there you go. Honestly, before I even reading, I'm gonna say,

it's great that you've had a crack. Okay, good on your fave and a try, and trying to back up from Roy's Canary Islands fact. I mean, good luck, but anyway, let's see, there you go. I've had a lot of trouble thinking up an interesting fact. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. You're already feeling self conscious about it. No. There were best under pressure. I believe you should continue reading because he says, however, luckily for me, I happen to work for a company that makes the juice with the facts under the lid. Little facts. Wow. That's spring valley little facts.

So handy. So I'm just going to pull a bottle of the line now and let that be the fact. That's right. There's no pressure on Julian now. He hasn't resets this. Yeah. Julian's fact, fact number 187, the honey bee kills more people worldwide than all the poisonous snakes combined. Oh sucked in snakes. Lift your game. You fucking cow. That's a good fact. That is a grim fact. That is grim. That is grim. A grim. That's what the grimace as just pointed out the grimace part about it. Is it just really unbiased how shit snakes are? Yeah, they're pathetic. Little losers.

Pack of absolute losers. Oh, as Joe Biden once said. Thank you so much, Julian. That was great. It was a great little fact there. And this next one comes from Kelly Clark, who's given herself the title of podcast Phenomenologist. Phenomenologist, sorry, that I missed a syllable there. And Kelly's written

a question. Remember when she first gave us that title, she wrote it phonetically and I'm like, I got it anyway. And now, it's all come under. Kelly, a question. If you could change any one thing in the world, what would you change and why? Fuck, that is a very important hard question. Oh my God. Because I mean, you fix racism, but they're still poverty, you know? Well, yeah, well, what are, okay. They're still world-homing.

Something like every water, it's a monkey pool, it's drinkable. Okay, yeah, that's good. So does the human body can just drink any sort of water? Oh, that's good. So that way everyone can clean water all the time, even ocean water, bang. Oh, yeah, that'll solve a lot of issues.

No, no, that feels like it would help. Pools. But all of a sudden, the monkey poor thing will be that making all the oceans basically fresh water will all of a sudden, and that'll totally change their ecosystems, a lot of official dye and stuff. But you must like change the body. Yeah, we're changing humans to be able to consume

with any sort of water. You've got to get the fine print right on these otherwise. Yeah, so everyone lives in there, there's nothing changes for them. It's just the humans so if you are in a place where you don't have access to clean water you've got access to any water. Go ahead and drink. Yeah and that's from now on or are you gonna go grandfather that? Wow. I don't know I guess from now on. Yeah because otherwise everything would be different because people would never die at sea

from thirst and stuff. Yeah, I changed a lot. And obviously we need them to do that. That's good. I'm going to change the world from having inequality to not having inequality. Wow. I don't know what the word is for that, but I like it. Yeah, I guess we'll have to come up with one now. Yes. Pioneering the word.

In this new world, we'll need a come up with one now. Yes. Pioneer in this new world will need a new word for in-in equality. Maybe that's it, in-in equality. In-in equality, yeah, like that. In-in-in-a. In-in-a-quality. That's beautiful. I know these problems, the answers are probably meant to be funny for this.

But I always, I've talked about this before off the pod. I feel some need to answer these Somewhat seriously even though it would be way more satisfying for everyone if I just gave a joke answer But even joke answers are hard to come up with. Oh, that's true. Maybe it's the easy way out for me I've taken the snakes way out Be the bee you want to see you I would I would eradicate death. Oh yeah, great. There's no problems there.

I love that. Yeah. Any asterix? Nothing and no one would die. So not even to no animals? No. No plants. Can people continue to procreate?

Yep. So the world is, you know, it's going to get too much from others. It's going to be a bit full. Beautiful, but like there'll be less sadness for a little more. All right, fine, you can die of old age. Yeah, you can be used to it. But like accidents, if you fall off a cliff or something, you'll be like, our, but you don't die.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I like that. Can I change my answer? I'd like to be about 5cm taller. F**k, get me to actually. That would be good. I'd make the three of us all 5cm taller. So it's still similar, height, hierarchy.

Yeah. But we're all a little bit taller. You know, that two inches. It hasn't been a bit rough for me lately, Dave, because I used to be the middle tougher sky of this podcast. And since you've recently got buffed, you've moved up to number two, and I've dropped down in a last place, and it sucks.

How's it feel down there? Well, I don't like being on the bottom wrong. You little runt. And I want to support you, Matt, but I'm just like something crazy would have to happen for me to be in your position. Yeah. So I really can't sympathize. Yeah But you know if you need a shoulder to cry on or or

Yeah, to be To piggyback anywhere you just let me know Yeah, I'll wait for you. I will get on to you pretty soon Is when we're leaving here today? Yeah, I'll carry that. I'm a lift. That was great. I would such a broad question, but I think we got some interesting stuff out of that. And finally, so thank you, Kelly Clark. And finally, from Paul Jacob, who's given himself the title of Comp Trolla for unusable

ideas, I try to find them a good home. That's nice. And Paul has a question. And Paul's question is, come some time here in the US, which we are also. Are we in, we're in North America. So we possibly, I can't tell, but we're possibly in the US, possibly in Canada. Come some time here in the US, my family, including my wife, son, and daughter, is making the move from my much beloved Michigan to Chapel Hill, NC.

Oh, North Carolina. Oh, North Carolina. Oh, wow. I had a thought that, there's gotta be a way that we can bring it into this. What if someone wrote like a sitcom style theme song about that fact that we just played it any dull about that. But it only goes like seven seven sevens. Yeah that would be handy. Yeah that would be good if someone could just... My coach on the play for North Carolina or any worries North Carolina shorts under Chicago Bull shorts. And now everyone else.

And everyone else for long shorts as a result. But then things that someone called me out on this on Twitter, they're like not forever because the shorts have slowly gotten smaller again since then with fashion. So you're right. And that was that was genuinely my favorite I'm actually because I'm like, hey, you are right. Because you see, 90s early 2000s, short to so big, and everything's going to go as retro and stuff, and they all started to go back again. Anyway, sorry, Paul, I got distracted there. He goes on alright.

Wondering if you are aware of any fun facts from that area. For instance, in Chapel Hill, fire engines have been Carolina blue and not the traditional red since 1996. Oh, that is a great fact. Well, there's different, do you modify, maybe that's the new fact? Because I can say it way more succinctly. So, fire engines. Should we do the hand over now? Yeah, I know about North Carolina.

North Carolina is. And then yeah, and it would be fun because the people who don't listen to this section of the show all of a sudden. I was going to need your honor. I like it. The regret. Paul, thank you so much for that. And that's a fun fact too.

Because I had that thought during the week, I'm like, I'll be, it'd be great to put it to rest in some sort of a Michael Jordan episode. But that chance is passed. That has happened. I'm so sorry. And let's do a specific episode about shorts. Yeah. It might be a mini episode, to be honest. Anyway, Paul, good luck with that move. Yeah, big move. Michigan to Chapel Hill Hmm Chapel Hill sounds sounds I think there's a winery in Australia called Chapel Hill beautiful So there are facts quotes and questions for this week or facts and questions We'll get a quote next week. I'm sure

Looking ahead they're all facts anyway We now get to thank a few of our other great Patreon supporters and we normally do a little game here where it just comes up with something we can give our patrons based on the topic we just did. We could say where they've moved in two steps. Oh great, and then relate it back to Australia. Probably just keep them all in Australia, to be honest, just so I can understand. They're all Melbourne, Adelaide first, or vice versa.

Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane. Don't burn them, that's two we've burnt now. Okay, or Adelaide, Alice Springs Darwin. All right, so first off, if I may kick us off, please. I'd love to thank from Scofields in New South Wales, Australia, Kirsten Gleason. Kirsten Gleason. Well obviously living in Scofields now, but moved there from Orange. Oh, okay. And before that, Waga, Waga. Wow. Imagine if we were right. Wouldn't that be crazy?

That would be amazing. Let us know. Let us know if we're right. Everybody. Aaron, don't tell us if we're wrong. Yeah, only if we're right. We're assuming we're wrong, but if we're right, let us know. Yeah. And looking up Scophields, that's sort of in the northwest, northwestern Sydney suburbs. I say. Okay. Cool. Yeah, north of Blacktown. Yep.

Yeah, cool. I haven't heard of Scophields before. Sounds nice. Looks like on the maps. Looks like a lovely part of the world. I would also love to thank from New Plymouth in New Zealand. Sorry, New Zealand. Funny, I did not mean to say like that. In New Zealand, Melissa Peters. Melissa Peters. Okay, move there. Start about. Yep. Intense. Okay.

Yeah. Then moved. Yep. Really want to cover the tracks here. Moved to Namibia. Whoa. Southern Africa. Yes.

Keep going around the world to New Zealand. Good luck, Mafia, tracking me. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, good luck. Wow. Nice try. Where's New Plymouth? I really love New Zealand.

I'm so Glad that we're it's a somewhere we're gonna be able to visit before too long. Yeah, that would be really nice Yes, please want to jump in one of those big jet plants. Yeah, and fly away For two or three hours have a long time. Yeah, four or five Not even so long so long. It's about the same as the Sydney, I think. Or maybe it's less than Perth though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's put it in terms of the city. Born Sydney, but less than Perth.

Thank you so much, Melissa Peters. And I'd also love to thank from Pakenham out in the suburbs of Melbourne in Victoria, Australia. Joshua Berg von Lindor. Oh, great name, great name, Josh. JB VL. Just a shwaa. Okay, so in Pakenham, do you want to have a go, Matt?

Yeah, sure. Okay, from Pakenham, working in reverse order, obviously, stop over in a chooka on the mighty Murray River yep coming from inland from Broken Hill okay in New South Wales yeah which I think I don't know if I read learned already newHP, the BH and that is Broken Hill. Oh, there you go. Broken Hill, pooooooo. Petroleum. People. People.

Broken Hill people. It was actually started by Broken Hill people. It's great. It's great. J-B-E-V-L, thanks so much. I would love to thank some people if I may. Pleasy. I would love to thank from Lang Kesta may. Pleasy. I would love to thank from Lancaster, what's KY in the US?

It's like Kentucky. Kentucky? Kentucky, Iraq and. Oh, I would love to thank Justin Nichols. Justin Nichols. Fantastic. And Nichols. So, in Kentucky now, came from Pennsylvania.

Okay. And before that, Washington, DC. Oh, okay. Herodobbeth. So started in sort of the, a couple of stops in the northeast. Am I saying that right, Dave? Yeah, starting in the capital.

Up in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and then down to Kentucky, which is somewhere in the middle part southern middle Yeah, southern beast I don't understand geography So don't don't look at me with that face. It's like is this right? I don't fucking know Broken Hill proprietary company Limited that makes it cop that C&L. Oh, proprietary.

Oh, gotcha. So thank you to Justin. I would also love to thank from Bell Main and New South Wales. I'd love to thank Matt Row. Matt Row. Matt Row. Sounds like a dog saying, uh oh.

Matt Row. Matt Row. You need dog saying that. Something's a bad thing. Something bad is happening. There is someone breaking in. Matt Row. You hear Doc saying that, something's about that. Something bad is happening, there is someone breaking in. You are in danger. So in Belmaine currently?

Belmaine obviously, that's one half of my NRL rugby team was emerged between the West's and Belmaine I think. I'm obviously a big hardcore fan of the team. I think that's where they get the Tigers from West Tigers. I Used to be the West's magpies and the Bellman Tigers Fun fact right there. Yeah, that's grim. I wonder I wonder if Matt Row is also a Tigers man Well, he is actually because before living in Bellman he was living in Richmond. Oh Here in Melbourne right and before that living in Belmaine, he was living in Richmond. Oh! Here in Melbourne.

Right, and before that, living in Hamilton, where the target cats of play in Canada. Nailed it. Wow. And before that Siberia. Is there a Siberian tiger? No, it's a dog. Husky. So similar.

Thank you very much, Matt. I'd also, finally for me, I would love to thank from Grimsby in Lincolnshire, Great Britain. That's a fun part. I would love to thank Michael Colebrook. Michael Colebrook. All right, well now lives in Grimsby. Before that lived in Iceland. What's the city in Iceland, Dave?

Reykjavik, or Maya. that lived in Iceland. What's the city in Iceland, Dave? Rekia, Vic. Or my... What's that? Vick. This one is called Vick. Vick. V-I-K-I-V. So lived in Vic in Iceland before that lived in the town where they filmed northern exposure in which was said in Alaska, but I don't know what they filmed.

Right. They're all good references. I'm just going to be on a truck if people don't know. Yeah, if you don't know. Because you know, it's like, it's often though, I'll just, yeah, that, unlikely they probably filmed in Alaska, they normally film somewhere else, right? Yeah, probably like a sound stage. Yeah, and an L.A. There you go. Thank you Michael Colbrook. Thank you Michael Colbrook and a

couple little effect checks here. There is a Siberian tiger. So... Here we go. Ah! That worked. That would have... Yeah, I love it. Getting in before and I'm actually always sad as well. Kentucky's a lot more central than we all would have imagined. Right.

So... There you go. Well, I'd like to thank... From San Antonio, Texas. I would like to thank Rochney Ray. Rochney Ray! Well, that's a good... That could roll off the dough, doesn't it? Yeah, it's beautiful. Oh, wow. Rochny Ray! Well that's a good, they could roll off the dough, isn't it?

Yeah, it's beautiful. Oh, alright. Rochny Ray, so now in San Antonio, but I think started up in Canada in Newfoundland. Yep. Um, moved over to Old Perry. Oh, hello. A little prison learnt a little bit of French. Yeah. Conversational. Yes. Enough to get by. Yeah.

And then has brought that back to the streets of San Antonio Texas. Oh great. Putting it to good use. Ghosts Birds. North exposure. Sounds like it was filmed in Washington. Oh, which one? The state. Ah, state. In Rosalind, the main street looks like it was Rosalind, Washington. And the main production facility was like at in Redmond, Washington. They got it. That's fun. That's a good look.

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My computer is a Del I'd like to thank now from Austin Brian Warton Thank you so much, Brian Warton. Ooh. Thank you so much, Brian Warton. I'm gonna guess it's Brian. I wonder if Brian, Brian, if you're at the fun, fun, fun festival in 2013.

What have seen you there? Oh wow. Off the stage, they had those a few things that blew my mind back in 2013, including a burrito gun that they shot from the stage. They shot burritos into the crowd from the stage through the burrito gun. I've never, including a burrito gun that they shot from the stage. What is that man? They shot burritos into the crowd from the stage. True the burrito gun.

I've never heard of that. Well, they hot. Yeah. Well, they were hotish. Did you catch one? Yeah. How many were they given away? A lot.

Yeah, they were just, I've got a video of it. They made a great sound as they shot out of it. I've never heard of that. I love it. Yeah. That's wild. That's good fun. That is fun. That will you mind at 20, 30 and that will be my mind at 20, 20. You say that like it was before we had that at

our festival. Yeah, that's so much fun. Yeah, but back in the day, it's first of all I'd say one. Brayden guns, you know, I've been held up at Brayden gunpoint. So I'm saying all the time these days. So Brienne, Watten, thank you so much. Where's Brianne? Come from to get to Austin, Texas. Did she work her way around Texas? Or maybe she came from other festival sites. She originated in Meredith, in country before.

Oh, fantastic. Beautiful part of the world. In the city. In the city. Oh, yeah. She went over to Glastonbury, yes, in the UK, before ending up in the fun fun fun capital of the world Austin, Texas, which also has a even more famous music festival, the South by Southwest festival. Oh, yep. So just just chasing that in the summer of music

festival. Yeah, fantastic. Love that. you know what you like. I love it So thanks, Brian. Kathy Gribble is what I'd like to think next. He's from Maryville in Tennessee Kathy Gribble Gribble is a fantastic name one of the families from around the twist the Gribble's Great. All right places with lighthouses. Oh, okay. We're starting out at Erie's in Lent. Erie's in Lent, yes. Is that the round this first time? Yeah, great. Right, I'm out. Okay, is there a K-Botway one? Oh fantastic. I was going to say the Lighthouse of Alexandria, which is one of the ancient wonders of the world, but snow-lung rigs exist. Okay. So she, you've been around for all Kathy.

But no K-Botway, I love that. K-pop way? So erasing the K-pop world, yeah. And then finishing up in Maryville, Tennessee, which I am almost certain has a lot. It must, it's simply must. Yes. So country music capital. Despite almost certainly being landlocked.

There's, yeah, but you've got to look out for things coming. So maybe they've got an observatory of some kind. Oh, love an observatory. So there you go. Thank you so much to Kathy Brianne, Rochney, Michael, Matt, Justin, Joshua, Melissa, and Kirsten. And we've also got one last bit of business to do when thanking our supporters.

These older names we're reading out right now, they're responsible for keeping this show going. So thank you so much to all of them. But we also like to thank some of our longer-term supporters as we welcome them into the Triptage Club. Supporters who've been supporting us on the shout-out level or above for three years straight, they get a one-way ticket into the triptage club, and they've got lifetime membership once inside, and how it normally works. I'm sitting on the door with the clipboard,

with the door list. I lift up the velvet rope, send them in. Once sticking them off the list, Dave will then hype them up, Jess, hype, st Dave, hype work. Jess has also got a drink and an order of ready to go. Dave's booked a band. Who have we got this week, Dave?

We've got Peter Bjorn and John playing that song, young folk over and over and over again. Lots of whistling. Lots of whistling. So everyone gets to have a go. Yeah, great. So basically what they do, they play the song and they get a different member of the Trigger Club up to do the whistle par. Oh great. So everyone's cycle have a go. Yeah, great. So basically what they do, they play the song and they get a different member of the

Trim just club up to do the whistle par. Oh great. So everyone's cycle starts. Do you have to participate if you don't want to? Why don't you have a whistle? No, no. Some great. Yeah, you can absolutely just.

What if you can't whistle and it's quite upsetting for you that everyone else can? Ah. Well, you don't have to get involved. That's fine. Okay. There's also a guitar you can play. Oh, that's fun. What about like a little tambourine?

Yeah, yeah. Obviously, something. Why not whistle or play guitar a little tambourine? Yeah, yeah, obviously something. Why not whistle all play guitar? So tambourine. Yeah, perfect. It's something that any idiot can do. And, um, yeah, I say that as the person who played the tambourine in my high school band. Are you serious? Yeah, I mean, I played the keyboard in the band too, but in parts that there was not required. Oh, that's okay.

Yeah, it was pretty rock and roll. I thought it was just tambourine. Which would that's okay. Yeah, it was pretty rock and roll. I thought it was just hand-ringed, which would have been awesome. I've written that in. What have you been over here? A bit of bait over here? A bit of bread and solar. Have you got a drink? Well, I was thinking ketchup, which they made me think Tabasco, so I'm thinking bloody Mary's. Which we might have done before, but there's only limited drinks, you jerks. Also, you can't say no to a classic. Bloody delicious. So bloody Mary's snack wise, hot dogs with ketchup and mustard on them. Oh, fantastic.

Is there two, one that's been refrigerated, one that hasn't? Yeah, it's who you can choose. Thanks. The right or the wrong one. Whichever that may be. Yeah, exactly. Well, that just leaves me to lift up the velvet rope

and welcome in from Elkiston in Derby's shirt, Great Britain, it's Adam Legg. Who needs a leg up when you've got Adam Leggg? Yes. I don't overblive Jess that time, Dave. Honestly, I zoned out for a second. It was poor timing on my part. I absolutely did as well.

That's why there was a pause for me. It wasn't me thinking. Where did we both go? I was thinking, is this who we drive at dropping this food off on? I don't know. Adam Leigh, give us a leg up, mate. You are an absolute champion. Yes.

Adam Leigh, legend. Thanks so much for all your support over the last three years, Adam. You bloody legend. Leg short for Leg Gen. Thank you. Yes. Well, that pretty much brings us to the end of this week. Is that the only one?

Yeah, I did so now. Thank you so much, Adam, you are a legend. Wow. Yeah, so if you want to get in touch with us, we're on all the normal social media, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, at do-go-on-pod. That's all I'm putting up jobs for in turn. We should get a LinkedIn.

Well, so on YouTube, at do-go-on-pod, we've got a Gmail, at do-go-on-pod, we've got a website, do-go-on-pod.com. We've got, there's other podcasts in this network, including Listen Now, which is back, going through the most popular, according to our listeners, albums of the 80s, rock albums. This week's about the Smiths Meet His Murder. Dave, what do you got to book cheat out this week or last week? Yes, absolutely the most recent one. Oh my

god, absolutely. I was with Japs and and Nick Kappa, and we were talking about the ancient great play, the DIA, which is, yeah, 2,400 years in the making of this song. Wow. And- I studied that in your life, and it was good. Yes, yeah. And Primate.

I mean, it was intriguing. I believe you had a podcast in the previous video. I was having fun podcasts, I thought you had a podcast interview. I thought it was some fun podcast, like I can listen to about just that. Primates has continued to work through the Umbrella Academy. This is three episodes left of the Umbrella Academy season two to go through before Primates goes back on hiatus. So check all those out as well.

And yeah, Patreon, like we said, is Patreon.com such a good one, pod. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Great. Fantastic. Now, Buddhist, baby home, Davey. Well, we'll be back next week with another episode, but if you want to get in before, we actually release it, you can watch it as part of the live stream. Just coming up this Friday night, Melbourne time, but there is a link to the SOS presents comm where it will tell you Where are the worlds?

Well, they won't tell you where in the world you are I will tell you what time it is everywhere all over the world So you can see that and you can also watch the episode we just recorded Plus a over half hour extra of bonus bits By buying a ticket to that one you even if you get the season pass now you get all four for the price of three It's right like the last I reckon it would be well over half an hour extra. We did a Q and A. We talked some absolute trash before the podcast as well. And then next week's one, yeah, is going to be a bonus podcast, which is exclusive to the live stream. And you can get a season

pass, which is discounted three for the price of four and you can watch them as many as four for the price of three and you can always say that way and you can watch it as many times you like it remains up you get you get your login and you can yes see it up there on the sauce presents website so watch it one minute a day for many many days for about six months. Yeah. Well, not quite. A few months anyway. But thanks so much for listening.

We'll be back next week like we say. But until then, keep well. I'll say thanks and goodbye. Later. Bye. Bye. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you.

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