Two In The Think Tank - 274 - The Surprisingly Weird History Of The Saxophone

Episode Date: January 20, 2021

The Saxophone is one of few widely used instruments invented by a single person (Adolphe Sax). And he lead a wild life! Multiple near death incidents, duels, death threats and an instrument that would... change the world of music forever. Not to mention being banned by The Vatican, The Nazis and Stalin. This is the surprisingly weird history of the saxophone.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 12 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonCheck out our AACTA nominated web series: https://www.youtube.com/user/stupidoldchannel Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: dogoonpod@gmail.comCheck out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasMichael Segell “The Devil's Horn, The Story of the Saxophone from Noisy Novelty to King of Cool”, Picador, 2006http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2019/07/the-surprisingly-badass-life-of-the-inventor-of-the-saxophone-adolphe-sax/https://allthatsinteresting.com/adolphe-saxhttps://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/joy-adolphe-sax-major-exhibition-brings-together-rare-saxophones-first-time-1877-9660320.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxophone#Historyhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/saxophone-history-of-musical-instrument-brutal-and-beautiful/11960922https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Saxhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/saxophone-history-of-musical-instrument-brutal-and-beautiful/11960922https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54446564https://olimpusmusic.com/saxophones-history-evolution/ https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/14/weekinreview/january-7-13-a-sax-craze-inspired-by-the-simpsons.html https://www.ludwig-van.com/toronto/2019/08/07/classical-101-why-is-there-no-saxophone-in-the-orchestra/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:03:53 Oh! Higgy, you don't! Higgy, you love that. That is good stuff. And the rest. I had some drinks with a few listeners the other night. They came to comedy showers on at Comedy Republic and then we had some beers afterwards and I'm still feeling a little shit about it. Hopefully they were all, hopefully I didn't say anything for.
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Starting point is 00:04:59 Dan, a saint supporter. Big fan of Dan. Because of the saint's thing? Mainly yes. Yes, fair enough. Yeah, yeah yeah I think it all knows what he did you mentioned two people big fans that's great yeah love that anyway yeah they are all so very good yeah yeah we believe
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Starting point is 00:06:21 to our separate homes where we write up a report about a topic, usually suggested by a listener. The other two don't know what the topic is and we always get on to the topic with a question. Thank you so much and it is my turn to report on something you don't know what I'm going to talk about. And here's the question, what once controversial instrument has been called the Devil's Horn and was banned by the Vatican, Hitler and Stalin. The Devil's Horn. The Devil's Horn.
Starting point is 00:06:48 The instrument as in a musical instrument. Musical instrument. Music bagpipes. Oh, they're quite devilish. They get into your soul. Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing it's like it's sort of, it must be red and phallic shape is what I'm assuming.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Yeah. What's red and phallic shape? Well, apart from the devil's horn. Um, it's a good question. Is it like a, is it the other bird? That type of horn. Is it a brass? Is it a woodwind?
Starting point is 00:07:14 Yes, it is a woodwind. It's a woodwind. Okay. I know that that is a category of instrument. I don't know if I can name that many. Is it a clarinet? Spatter in the works. No, it's not a clarinet because it is also made of brass.
Starting point is 00:07:26 It is the saxophone. Damn it! I feel like I did a lot of the work to get there. Exactly, it's a team game and Matt won. And I know about the reeds and woodwind and that sort of stuff, of course, because of Lisa Simpson. I didn't know it was a woodwind. I think only because the reed makes it a woodwind, is. That's right. Yes. And Homer had to go get a
Starting point is 00:07:48 reed. Yeah. And he wrote it on the shoot. And then he got there too late. He walked in on her, she'd already cracked it. Oh, said. Cracked the reed to the pool. Back when the Simpson's had heart. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand. So this is a report about the saxophone. This is the weed history of the saxophone. Really? Yes. Really?
Starting point is 00:08:11 Oh yeah. OK. Suggested by a few people? Really. Really? Well, sometimes they're wrong. Sometimes they're very wrong. Most of these people wanted me to focus on just
Starting point is 00:08:22 the inventor of the saxophone. OK. Great saxophone. The great E-sax. And but I've taken a step further and just on just the inventor of the saxophone. Oh, great saxophone. The Gregie sax. And but I've taken a step further and just gone the full history of the sax because it is a weird and wonderful journey. But nobody asked you to go the step further. Hey, I mean.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Okay, no, just clarifying. I leave no stone unturned. That's true. This has been suggested by Drew Morgan, Ethan Irwin, Kendra Mikkels, Alla McGraw, Joe Martz, and Jay Menanghi. Okay. I'm guessing this must be interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:50 But so far, I... It just doesn't sound like it will be. Yeah. Well, or will be, will be one. Will be one, actually. Yes. Yes. Great work, very famous.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Incredibly internationally famous. I mean, it's a silly that you even said saxophone everyone's like yeah we know we'll wear it. Yeah we yeah why do you even say while but no will be. How many will be do you know? Will Bar? The saxophone is one of few widely used modern instruments that was invented by a single person. Okay and it all started. It all started married. Really? All the instruments. It actually wasn't married. That is where it's so normally it's a team of scientists who come up with... Well, they just develop over time, right?
Starting point is 00:09:32 And, you know, they change people of this guy. Okay, so hang on, he perfected the saxophone first go, nobody's done anything to it. It has changed slightly, actually. But that is... For a sentence sentence he lied. Oh, that is in a, because normally a guy invents an instrument or something in his basement. And it is just some wacky shit. Yeah, it's a bunch of bottles stuck together with a few like Christmas lights stuck to him. Like that'll do. I watched like a 15 minute old BBC, not 15 minute old, 15 minute. Wow. I mean and you were here 15 minutes ago you watch you're skipping out of this that's from the leader in that John watching BBC
Starting point is 00:10:11 docus I think it was from the 80s and I was like a like a guitar sort of only it was like a guitar sort of only. It was like, it was electric. And it did look kinda cool. And it sounded silly, but like 80s. It was like 80s. Is this the first time you should have it like an electric guitar? I'm gonna find out. I can't, to be honest, I was trying to describe it.
Starting point is 00:10:39 I can't remember what the instrument was at all, but it was electronic. But you're absolutely right, that lots of people have since invented instruments, they never take off. But this guy invented something, and it's really taken off. Normally it's like a cultural invented over generations.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Now I understand what you're saying. Yeah. The saxophone's huge, they're big. The big baby. In the 80s, every rock song had a solo. And also this weird electric guitar I've never seen one before. Alright, it all starts with a wacky Belgian inventor. Adolf Sacks.
Starting point is 00:11:17 What a guy. What a guy. Was born in 1814 in what is now modern dayday Belgium his father Charles Joseph sax was initially a carpenter But then became a mastermaker of wind and brass instruments as well as pianos harps and guitars Non-electric Come on down to cj sax for all your musical knee house of music He even became Belgium's chief instrument maker for William I of Orange, so making instruments is in Adolf Sax's blood.
Starting point is 00:11:48 The young Adolf played the flute in the clarinet and made his own modifications and instruments from a young age. From 14 or 15 he was in his father's workshop improving instrument designs. And according to one of our favorite websites, all that's interesting.com, quote, a young sax even hew to clarinet and two flutes from ivory, a feat once considered impossible. Wow. And that's when he was young. Yeah, when he's a teen, he's doing stuff
Starting point is 00:12:12 that people are like, you can't do that. Is this that loving it or hating it? Yeah. Yeah, him already being better than him. Stay the hell out of my workshop. I was about to do that for the first time ever as well. Yeah. Stop jumping ahead.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Stop jumping me in the future in the past. The young sax presented some of his new designs to the Belgian exhibition, which is a big deal. And despite their quality, he was not given first prize due to his age. The panel said, if he achieved the pinnacle of success at his age, he'd have nothing left to strive for. Oh my god. That's so weird. That's so weird. What a weird competition. We don't give it to the best. We give it to who needs a weird.
Starting point is 00:12:52 That's what it's said for. It's said go with a bunch of violence, like good job, Jared. Are you weird again? Oh, they just... He needs it. Adolf, just give it to him. Honestly, yeah, you will reach new pigs? He will it. Adolf, just give it to him. Honestly, he... Yeah, you will reach new peaks.
Starting point is 00:13:07 He will not. Darren is done. He hasn't even reached Pew, but he's already turned. The participation award has become first place. That's so strange. Or they just give it to the oldest person that is... He's lucky to die. He's eight.
Starting point is 00:13:24 I'm pretty sure when I was at Sin the youth network, I was about to age out and I got a lot of roles that yeah and I'm pretty sure they were like looking up the old man. He's nearly 25. Give him a go. He's close to death. Yeah, they did call it a sin death. Yeah. When you're 25 or 26 it's Okay, you're life's over then And the session ends up being just a radio session of 25 and 26 trolls because that's only people are given They need this your 17 who cares about you? You've got a future. Look at this guy, look at him. So Adolfsaxx, he actually rejected the prize.
Starting point is 00:14:09 So they gave him like a lesser prize, saying, if they think me too young to deserve the gold medal, I myself think me too old to accept this Vermeal one, Vermeal being a type of medal where it's silver, but just played it in gold. So not real gold. Okay. He's not taking that gold-plated shit.
Starting point is 00:14:26 But that wasn't the only thing that was notable about his childhood. He's amazing success. Adolf was highly accident prone and his survival was somewhat of a miracle. Oh wow. So, okay. So accident prone is one thing. But then being surprised that he lived is like, oh, I don't think he's accident prone. I think he's got some bad luck or something. Oh, well, let me give you this list of mishaps and accidents that are commonly listed as befalling the young sex. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:14:53 At the age of three, this is real stuff. He fell down three flights of stairs. How? There's usually like a little turn. How did he fall down the turn? He got up. You got up. You're gonna step. Oh, no, got up. You got a good step.
Starting point is 00:15:05 Oh no, more still. Not again. Oh well. Come up in three times. Yeah, glad I survived those two sets of stairs. Now I'll just take a step over here. I'm distracting along. What, what, what?
Starting point is 00:15:22 Thankfully, his head was stopped by a stone floor on the bottom. So finally, the stairs stopped and so did he. He was quite injured, but possibly put into a coma, three years old. He survived though. He then accidentally swallowed a large needle, which amazingly he was able to pass, okay, a shit out without any internal damage. He sat a needle.
Starting point is 00:15:45 He must have had to have kept it pointing down the whole way. Wow, that's dedication. Or up, probably. That would have been the safest way to pass it. He shot a needle. A large needle. Yeah. All right, you know, after a few big nights, it felt like... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You realize it certainly wasn't milk. It was diluted sulfuric acid. How much did he drink before he realized?
Starting point is 00:16:27 Because I think I'm pretty sure sulfuric acid has a pretty distinctive non-milky taste. Non-milky, yep. It's much more... I don't know that for sure. I've never made that mistake. Well, can you take the blind... That's the one I'm milked right now. What?
Starting point is 00:16:40 Oh, do I? Well, take the blind Pepsi challenge. Once a milk and one diluted sulfuric acid. It's diluted, though, so you don't. Yeah, diluted with milk. It's anyone who could make this mistake. But he survived. He then accidentally drank a mixture of white lead, copper oxide and arsenic.
Starting point is 00:16:59 He just wants to drink anything that's white. Try, that's, yeah, I could get him in trouble for sure. And has twice so far. And the needle, so three times. It was a white needle. Oh, okay. It's a name of a cool cocktail. I thought that was the white needle.
Starting point is 00:17:14 He once fell onto a hot stove and severely burnt his side. How do you fall onto a stove? Why are you on the bench? What? Get off the bench! Well, this is doing, This is a human boy. This is during a time where like a cat or something. This is like, you know, this is a time where it's like a, a boiler on fire.
Starting point is 00:17:32 I still don't fully understand. Oh, a boiler on fire, yeah. That's the thing you might fall on. It's not a gas cooktop, but like more like a hot metal thing. He's fallen onto it. He avoided infection from the herons, which was likely to kill people in those days, but he was scarred for life. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Oh, yeah. Mentally. Yeah. He never went near a stove again. He had cold meals or a civilian life. Yeah. Sandwiches, three times a day. It's not a bad way to live.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Cold meats. He once fell from a three-story window. What the fuck? No. What do you mean? It was just, oh, because you didn't want to take the stairs anymore. And that was three flights of stairs. And I was like, I'll just take my chances, jump out of window.
Starting point is 00:18:12 He fell into a river and was discovered floating face down by a villager who pulled in from the water. Amazingly, he survived. Okay, the face down thing sounds bad. Yeah, that sounds good. As a kid, that would be called that the Dead Man's float. And that is because I think that's what a Dead Man looks like. Yeah, I think they expected to pull.
Starting point is 00:18:32 What's he doing that on purpose? He's going out just going for a quick Dead Man's float. Oh, down the river? I'll prank you, Billard. Back to childhood, what a weird thing for us kids to do. Yeah. Do you, I mean, you guys would have had fun like that. I'm thinking of an adult.
Starting point is 00:18:48 I know very well who still doesn't. Yeah. In public pools every time he's on a holiday. Hey, Drunken Hacking is the lifeguard that I'm dead. I'm like, please stop doing that. There are children around. Please stop pretending you're dead. Hey, kids, want to see your dead body?
Starting point is 00:19:03 Into the water. Is this one? But I'm not done yet. He was involved in a gunpowder explosion of his father's workshop. Probably his dad trying to get him out of the way after you. A bit of an upstart. It was powerful enough to blow him across the room. He was again burnt, but he survived. Oh my god. Okay so he's been exploded. I think that was the last one to tick off really, wasn't it? Yeah, he's really done it all. That was after he accidentally drank some white explosives.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Yeah, we just need frostbite and then we've got the whole bingo card. Ah, frostbite, wild out of it. He has an extreme cold. Here we go. Finally. I don't want to just want one day whilst just walking along, he was hit in the head by a slight tile that fell from a roof. I'm just saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying Oh my god, Mama! He's a nickname in the town came to be Little Sax the Ghost. Oh fuck, that is grim. I thought he was gonna die. This kid is gonna die any day now.
Starting point is 00:20:11 And should we do anything about it? Nah, and that would a nickname. Could grab him in cotton wool. Nobody get too close to him so that you don't have to mourn his death inevitably. Soon. Yeah, that's pretty grim. And but I mean, that was kids back then. You were you were sure you would die.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Right? Every sharpest called the ghost. Yeah, what what here is this? 17 hundreds. 17 hundreds of kids these days. Good. Those days. 1800.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Sorry, you were you were seeing. There's a good little test there. And this kid's name is Adolf. Adolf. One of the last yeah, last generations of kids to be acceptably called Adolf. I can't wait to find out why the Hitler and stuff banned the sex. Oh, well, we will get to it. That makes, that makes no sense.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Makes no sense. Makes no sex. Well, to make it, to get a sex. I didn't work, did it. I tried. He gets no sex. Well, to get a sex. I didn't work, I tried. He gets no sex. There we go. Somehow he survived all these trials and tribulations.
Starting point is 00:21:10 And although he bore the scars for the rest of his life, perhaps these battle scars would prepare him for the battles he would fight later in life. Okay. Okay. Little sizzle, little. Yeah, I was wondering if, yeah, something like when he fell down the stairs,
Starting point is 00:21:25 did he fall in or chub that had a like a got thicker as the chub went down and then it had a little upturn at the end and that saved him from hurting himself. Like he hit his head and then he just started speaking like this. Oh, oh, oh, hang on. Hang on, dude. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh my god. Ah, ah, ah, ah. Ah, ah, ah. Ah, ah, ah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:48 This kid's got a fever. Ah, ah, ah, ah. Ah, ah, ah. Ah, ah, ah. And he's like, he won't live. He won't live. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He never spoke again.
Starting point is 00:22:01 But I dig this sound. Wow. Ah, ah, ah. So he started at the Royal Conservatory of Brussels and continued to build his own instruments throughout his formative years, getting a patent at 24 for his improvement to the base clarinet. Okay. Before it, this had been reportedly unreliable and sounded like shit, but he to keep the thing in tune so he made a big change right. Oh maybe did he fall one day while carrying a clarinet Making a kink in the clarinet making it sort of like a big upturn at the bottom. Yeah It's gonna be something like this. I really hope it is
Starting point is 00:22:41 That his accidents finally pay off Well the new and improved instrument was popularly received, and Saks was already making an aim for himself in capital cities across Europe. He continued entering the competition where he was refused first prize at a young age, and in 1841, demonstrated an early prototype that would become known later as the saxophone. It featured a mouthpiece like a clarinet, and was the first wholly new instrument of its kind to emerge since the clarinet itself had been invented a hundred years earlier. It was a game changer, but according to Michael Siegel in his book, The Devil's Horn, the story of the saxophone from noisy novelty to King of Cool. Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:22 You better believe I read a lot of this book. Oh, that sounds like a great book. According to Michael Siegel's book, which is great, and there's a link in the description if you want to check it out on Google. A fellow competitor saw Sax's invention and then a fit of rage kicked it and damaged it so much it could no longer be played. Right, I'm going to put a bend in it at the bottom. Fend up with this mistreatment, so at the moment it doesn't have a bend, it's just straight up, I'm done, like a clarinet. Sax left Brussels, went to Paris, which at the time was the musical instrument producing capital.
Starting point is 00:23:53 He's like, well, if I'm not going to get the respect here, I'm going to go get some respect in the big, big city. And you're wondering, what does this guy really like? Well, let's get Devil's Horn author, Michael Siegel, to paint us a little picture of this inventor. Oh, thank you, Michael Siegel to paint us a little picture of this inventor. Thank you Michael Siegel. Thank you Michael take it away. Quote, brash, arrogant, handsome, with a lush, full beard and bedroom eyes. Okay. Okay well yeah. My ears are burning. That off sucks was the embodiment of the fiery 19th century romantic. Yep, yep. I don't know about you, tick. He's not the only one with the devil's horn right now.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Hands up. Are you saying you're horny for... I'm at full beard and bedroom eyes. I mean, come on. For our new listeners, Dave is describing me. Yeah. Here. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Am I not human? Do you prick me? Do I not bleed? Do I not bleed? The devil's prick I've got the devil's prick right now stay away from me So that's just a little image of this guy. He's a hot young thing. Yeah, but he's also arrogant. Yeah, brash Isn't it funny? Someone who's had his childhood to still be arrogant
Starting point is 00:25:05 That's imagine how arrogant he would have been if he never fell down three-fourths of stairs, walked out of windile, fell onto a stove. That was God's way of trying to knock him down a few pegs. All right, Matt. Yeah, imagine the ego on him if he hadn't had all that happen. Well, he was a confident guy, despite the... Why? Because he's like, I can't be killed. Yeah, I'm full. Yeah, actually that honestly you start thinking that you're invincible.
Starting point is 00:25:28 He was convinced that his instruments could be game changers because of the young age he's already better than any other instrument maker in his city. Yeah, you know his dad's that that instrument. That's so funny that that's even a thing like it's known who's the best instrument maker in your town. I mean we know who's the best instrument maker in Melbourne obviously, I mean, we know who's the best instrument maker in Melbourne, obviously, but it's funny to think even back in the 80s. Yeah, that they knew. He'd shown some famous composers his earlier designs on a trip to Paris and that he'd praise on him. He'd also heard that the French government were hoping to revitalize the popularity of
Starting point is 00:25:59 marching bands and were looking for new instruments and sax new and opening when he saw one. I've got to get some of that marching band money. I love that it governments worrying about the big issues. Can we get marching bands back up top where they belong? I'm so worried about marching bands. We've had a revolution on the two decades earlier. Let's get the marching bands! On arrival in Paris, sax invited influential composer and conductor Hector Berliors to review some of his inventions and improve instruments. This included the prototype for the Sachs phone, then called the bass horn. Berliors published a long review where he heaped praise on Sachs, calling him skillful beyond words.
Starting point is 00:26:40 He referred to the bass horn as less Sachs a film, and named that the inventor absolutely could not get enough of. Oh, okay. He was like, fantastic. He's like, what did I call that? I was the bass horn, yuck, less saxophone. Yeah. Billio is right.
Starting point is 00:26:55 For works of my mysterious and solemn character, the saxophone is in my mind the most beautiful, low voice known to this day. Wow. That's amazing. High praise indeed. Wow. That's a great way to do it. High praise indeed. Ah, beautiful. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah You go think of how bad the instruments before that sound. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:27:34 That's what Mozart played. It was on those kind of, that was what a piano sound like in Mozart's day. Berlioz liked the new instrument enough that your notes music specifically for it and Sax even played the prototype publicly in these new friends' performance and this was probably the first time it had ever been played publicly. In his early performances, Sacks was so paranoid that someone would steal his yet to be patented idea that he played behind a curtain so no one could see what he was doing. It's kind of like Eddie Van Haylon.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Oh god, I wrote the same thing! And then I fact-checked that to see if that was a real thing. And it is? Well, according to the BBC, so for those that know Eddie Van Halen in his early days, his finger tapped guitar solos was so unlike anything else anyone was doing at the time. His brother encouraged him to turn around during his solos before they got a record deal.
Starting point is 00:28:20 That was clever. Well, yeah. Because at the gig, you're like, I don't know what he's doing but it sounds good. How's he moving around the guitar so quickly? And then yeah, it was super influential in especially in hair metal, and what metal generally. The more you know. I was reading about the guitarist from Extreme, met him and he was, and some reason Eddie Van Halen wanted
Starting point is 00:28:47 him to play something in front of him. And he, he, uh, I think he's named Nuno, and he was like recalling how he played an Eddie Van Halen solo back to him, and he was doing the finger tapping and stuff, and he was instantly regretting it. He said, what did I pick this song? And Eddie Van Haaland goes, don't worry about any of that silly double tapping stuff. And he goes, I'm just full body cringing. But then he later on, he became a good friend of his best.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Imagine. Imagine that, Ben, be being like, have you thought about playing chords or something? Yeah. Maybe that's more your... Yeah. Try some chords. Just dial.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Have you had a G chord? Yeah, try that. Play with me. Just, I don't know, another scenario where you would be having to do the thing to the inventor and then going, I, why did I try to do this thing that they mastered? Ah, strong disagree if I ever made a Dell. Yeah, you're gonna do the $1. Yeah, okay, that's a good point.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Obviously. Alour Dell. Alour, it's made a Dell. You know, easy. Alour, I'm guess. It's gonna be so confusing. Yeah. Because you'll be like,
Starting point is 00:29:57 Wait, is your name, Aira? A Dell? Wow, that, oh my God. You're not a Dell, you're a mirror. Yeah. Alour, I'm a mirror. That's weird. My mirror is talking to me. Like if you ever met the inventor of the mirror and you started reflecting back at him.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Totally. Totally. Okay, can you edit out everything I've said so far? I'm not having a good day. Dave, can you stretch out everything you said so far? So go slow on. Because I can run to you. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM is that just one guy invented an instrument like the saxophone. Yeah. It's very, very rare. It's so fun. The music history. I'd never considered this as a thing at all.
Starting point is 00:30:48 I've never thought to Google the history of the saxophone. Or just the idea that one, that is interesting, that one person has invented something, but as now that you've said it, it makes sense. Yeah. Almost all you have to make. It makes sax. How do you've said it? It makes sax.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Or they're put into context almost all the other common woodwood instruments. Your flutes, your oboes, your pursuers go back hundreds of years, many into ancient times and beyond. There's evidence of flutes existing in Germany 43,000 years ago. Right. So, the flute's got a long history. But what is the saxophone and wives at so revolutionary? Well, in his devil's horn book, Michael Siegel contested that sax
Starting point is 00:31:30 thought that in the orchestra the strings, your violins, cellos, were often overwhelmed by the woodwinds, flute's obo's clarinets, and then these were both overpowered by brass instruments, your trumpets, your French horns, your tubers. So they're all trying to be loud than the other thing. And then suddenly it's just you can only hear the horns. What is about who's the loudest? That's how I approach this podcast. So Saks thought, why not make an instrument that combines all three instrumental groups? Great. He used a clarinet like mouthpiece and a reed like used in woodwood instruments. He then ran that into the most widely used base horn of the day, much like a tuba. And overall he created an instrument with tonal qualities like those of the woodwinds.
Starting point is 00:32:14 It's a platypus of instruments. Yeah, and then it could be projected as loudly as the brasses, but also it had the flexibility of strings. Right, and he also put six strings on as well. The and the actual prototype was pretty awful. It was really clustered. Yeah. He was like, I, why have 70 people in an orchestra when you can have one? And also flashing lights and some symbols that went down between your knees. Yeah, a bunch of, a bunch of all these bugs. Yeah. When he moved, he had five dancers either side of him, puppets.
Starting point is 00:32:45 I mean, he was obviously a bit busy, obviously. Yeah, yeah. It was a lot happening. It's been strange once. Yeah, he did mention it. He also did backflips. But in summary, it's a very versatile instrument. That's what he was hoping to go for.
Starting point is 00:32:59 And just a quick note to say that despite being mad at brass, they are categorized as wooded with instruments, because sound is produced, as Matt said, by an oscillating read, traditionally made out of a woody cane, rather than lips vibrating in a mouthpiece cup, which is what the brass instrument family is. Right. Yeah, that's interesting,
Starting point is 00:33:17 because yeah, instinctively you don't think of a sax as a woodwind instrument. No. No, because the outside isn't now still brass. Yeah. So what's a flute count? What's a flute is woodwind? Woodwind, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:31 What about a skin flute? That's what I'm saying. Well, a month's woodwinded in on a moon. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:33:41 That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That before you started the question. But I know why I still promise myself and everyone listening, but following through. It's just funny to watch the process of I hate this, but here it comes. Saxon visions having seven different types made that all had different ranges and they could come together like a string quartet or a choir. God, just a quartet of saxophones.
Starting point is 00:34:12 That's a bit more. And they're all different sizes, so they have different ranges. The seven different instruments all had different, sorry, all had the same fingering. Well, the rich meant that if you could play one, you could play them all. Sure. Which was quite clever, really. So you could you could play one, you could play them all. Sure. It was quite clever, really. So you could play the finger one, you could see it exactly, you know, about a big, about a big... He also invented other instruments like the sax tuba and the sax tromba, which was smaller and could be played whilst riding a horse. God, yeah, because I get so bored that I'm out riding a horse.
Starting point is 00:34:45 I'm like, oh, I wish I could do something. I can never read a book because the horse keeps moving. It's like, ugh. You know what? The one thing that's less traumatizing for a horse than someone riding a horse. Someone blasting a horn directly makes to it's ear. You hear that horse?
Starting point is 00:35:00 You get that? You get that? Err. That is what? So what was his logic there? Sax Tromba, I think because in marching bands you have people on horses. Right. And he was like, well, those instruments are really difficult to play on a horse, but this thing is a bit smaller.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Right. So you could do it on horse. Sax's friendship with his champion, Berlioz, opened up many doors for him. He met lots of other composers and musicians and was even invited to play for King Louis Philippe and Queen Mary Emily, because he was also a great player himself. So, Sony was able to raise the funds
Starting point is 00:35:33 to open his own instrument factory, fantastic. He also wrote a letter to the French war minister proposing that his new invention be adopted by military bands. But other instrument makers, with established supply chains and a certain way of doing business, watched on in horror as this upstart who was clearly extremely talented and already changing their game, was muscling in on their territory. Many agreed he had to be stopped. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:35:58 Looks like a bit of tall puppy, hey. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. He's making something really good over there. So stop it. Well, we've got two options. Be inspired and try to be even better or fucking up.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Yeah. And I can't just say they definitely went for option B, the story. I did it funny because I don't associate the sax with armies. No. You're just like coming into battle. Marana, marana, marana. Isn't such a sexy. Yeah, it is sexy, isn't it? No, you just like coming into battle Such a sexy. Yeah, it is sexy isn't it it makes you want to fuck yeah Oh, yeah, not fight exactly make love no wall. Yeah, it would be it would be too peaceful. Yeah
Starting point is 00:36:36 Those goddamn hippies well be peaceful for a month and a night and not see this and russians making out I'm so in for it. Yeah, it's beautiful Nazis and Russians making out. Stone for it. Yeah. It's beautiful. So the musicians, instrument makers, and conductors were not keen on the overhaul and new instruments in the marching bands.
Starting point is 00:36:52 But Sax had become well connected by this point, and the commission was established to figure out the way forward for the military bands. One of the directors of these military bands, Michele Karafa had the idea of sticking with the current instruments, but just getting more players. That was he was like, why don't we just expand, then we'll be louder and better be great.
Starting point is 00:37:12 So the commission came to a conclusion, they would let the people decide with a jewel. Yeah. A musical jewel. Yes, the best kind. In fact, sax was frequently joling other musicians. He was constantly demanding satisfaction. And then they'd pull out their instrument, he'd pull out his instrument, and invariably his would be better than theirs.
Starting point is 00:37:32 But who's judging that? In a jewel, one of them is dead. Dead, yeah. Oh, he played them to death. He beat them over the air. He beat them to death with a saxophone. Yeah, they're quite heavy and sturdy. So.
Starting point is 00:37:45 All the best instruments or the heaviest instruments. Yeah, that's why I played piano. Oh. I'm going to fuck you up. You're just like, you can get a crane in here, one second please. Can you just stand on that extra piece? You're like, oh.
Starting point is 00:37:59 So it's frequently julling people, but this was the most important musical battle of his life. Oh my god. It's a quote from a people, but this was the most important musical battle of his life. To quote from a 2014 article in The Independent, it is difficult to underestimate the importance of the army's role in society at the time. Military bands were seen as major sources of national prestige and a valuable cultural medium. The competition was, quite simply, the talk of France. It was Team Sacks versus Team Carrafa.
Starting point is 00:38:26 On April 22nd, two groups went head to head in Paris and the future side of the Eiffel Tower with 20,000 spectators watching on. It's like a stadium watching. It's so funny how things, like we come across this all the time. Crowds will rock up to anything. If someone's going outside, well, let's all go outside. Honestly, you couldn't get a moment to yourself.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Where we going? Well, I was going to make love to my wife, but I guess everyone should come over. That's a super real Dave thing, too. You can get off the couch where we go. Something happening? You're like a puppy. Where you going? Are you leaving?
Starting point is 00:39:07 I can't be left alone. He really can't. So with 20,000 people watching on, the idea was to have 45 players play two pieces of music. 45 versus 45. But seven of Sax's crew didn't show up after being bribed to stay away. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Big, big pool by the big museo. The guy that we can't remember the name of. Mm, wonder who wins. Carafa. Carafa. And what's Carafa's deal? See, got his own entry invented or nothing, so. No, he just wants the status quo.
Starting point is 00:39:41 He loves being the director of the military band. He's like, I love when they play these tubers and clarinets And I don't like change. Honestly, he says I don't like change and also other the instrument makers are saying Well, if he comes along and we have to use his instruments then what are we gonna do? Yeah, right. So everyone accepts the higher up. So against him Sax wasn't wanted back down when these people didn't show up and he instead grabbed two of his own saxophones and joined the battle himself. Did he play two saxophones at once? He's on court van Damford. Double impact. Can someone last week after you talked about some
Starting point is 00:40:20 Jean-Claude Van Damme train thing? No, truck thing. They are animated that sort of. Yeah, it's just great. Now we need you to animate it so Dave is also now playing two saxophones whilst riding two trucks. Oh, two trucks. As John Colour Van Damned's body. Yes. Yeah. Well, this is a Belgian guy. Oh, the muscle is probably the second most famous Belgian after... Wow. ...for a... Well, okay, goes, poro, the muscles and bristles. John Colbert band-M, and then...
Starting point is 00:40:48 The sexy sax man. Adolf sax. Honour will mention to Eurichet, the tint and infant. Kim Cluster's number five. That's not bad, Kim. Ah, Kimmy, yeah, Kim Cluster's. Not bad. Justain and in.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Try to give any other Belgians, I know. I'm a tennis player, is that it? Well, it might be it. Famous Belgians. Who comes up first? Come on. Sax. Rubens the painter. Adolf Sax is there. Jean-Claude Van Damme and they've listed Audrey Hepburn. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:41:24 It's very surprising. Yeah, I thought she was a... Have we done the Hepburn report? She's a British archbore. No, it came up in the Oscars report. But she was born in Brussels. There we go. There you go.
Starting point is 00:41:36 But of course, she's... Where did she move to? England or America? Probably. English. English. Or America? Probably. English. English. Correct.
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Starting point is 00:43:13 casualty and trans company and affiliates, National Average 12 Month savings of $744 by new customer surveyed who saved with Progressive between June 2022 and May 2023. Potential savings will vary. Discount is not available in our safe and situations. So the scene is set. Seven people haven't rocked up. He's grabbed two saxophones. He's joined it himself. 20,000 people watching on. After the first piece of music, the battle was already decided. The crowd loved sax and his group sound and screamed for more. Karaf has been tried to play on, but despite having less players, Sax's crew were much louder and simply drowned out than opponent.
Starting point is 00:43:49 That's so brutal. Yeah. Just, yeah. Imagine playing, but you can't even be heard. Art is a competition always sucks. Yeah, no you're not. They're trying their heart out on these little flutes or whatever. Just chop and listen to them.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Come on, never to go. I don't have a nice time. Come on. We're all winners of the battle of the bands. Then we can all go to the park or something. All of us, come on. Come on. Real sheep, aren't we? Well, long story short, he won the contract.
Starting point is 00:44:17 His new instruments were chosen to be used for the military bands and sax was simply the talk of the town. Ah, Which town? A Paris. Oh. He won his patent for the instrument and it was soon adopted also by the Italian, Spanish,
Starting point is 00:44:32 and Hungarian military bands. So the instrument soon began to spread all over the world. Wow. The money came in and he hired people to set up a production house in Paris. It was all happening. And now as I mentioned before, his success really annoyed a lot of people. Motivated by fear and jealousy, these detractors would do anything to stop him and I mean anything. The competitors that he threatened teamed up against the new
Starting point is 00:44:55 found enemy and formed a coalition called the Association of United Instrument Makers. And they were united at a right, united to take town sacks. That was really the whole point of the club take town sacks is that where that was sort of where he lives? Well take sacks to town oh And then take it for a party And then and then to drop his pants and embarrass the pants off of it. Oh, no, which were already down to expose his devil soul Members paid money to be a part of this club, and the sole reason was to fuck him up, because the other reason existed.
Starting point is 00:45:31 The money was then used to sue sacks. They repeatedly took him to court, challenging his patents, saying he didn't invent his instruments and that he just copied other people's designs. They were baseless claims, designed to tie him up in endless court cases, distracting him from his work and drain his funds. Oh, dogs.
Starting point is 00:45:50 They even created fake evidence by saying Saks had copied an earlier design, and they did this by taking one of his instruments, filing off the serial numbers, and then replacing them with their own. This was thrown out of court along with their other claims. How embarrassing. Yeah, so petty and weird. I just hope it backfired big time.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Yeah. Well, to counteract this, he withdrew his patent and decided to redesign the shape of the saxophone. He's like, fun, I'll reinvent the game again. If you think that I've copied someone else's design, I'll make something completely new. So he withdrew the patent and in an effort to stop the ongoing court cases, the game again. If you think that I've copied someone else's design, I'll make something completely new. So he withdrew the patent and in an effort to stop the ongoing court cases, he gave his opponents one year to make his own design. He said, well, if someone else has made this before me, I won't make any claims for a year and if you can make it, then you can have it. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:41 That's pretty balls. Well, he would love it. If he's ripped someone else Well, he would love it. If he's ripped someone else off, surely they could make their own instrument in the ensuing months. Yeah. But of course, that tapes the time. Of course, they could not. But even like they've got one to copy, right?
Starting point is 00:46:53 Yeah. But even still. He was the best instrument maker in Europe and they just couldn't replicate his design. That's amazing. Incredible. So, it was arrogant. It was pretty funny if they go, yeah, great. And they whip one together in a couple days.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Saks used the 12 months to make his own design even better. In June 1846, he painted the design of the modern saxophone, the shape we're all imagining now with the hook. Before this, it had been much more conical, essentially like a clarinet cross with a trumpet. Yeah, okay. But now, it's got the hook. He comes back with that and they're like,
Starting point is 00:47:27 oh, fuck, fuck. And must've the first one they saw, they must've thought this looks silly. Yeah. But what do you know what that did to it? What having that upturn at the base did? Oh, I don't think I think it improved just quality overall, staying in tune and also it was louder now.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Wow, okay, so a lot of stuff made it better in always. It's constantly tinkering, making it better. And it's got a cool, I mean it is a cool look probably, although it's hard to imagine it without it now. But it is cool, it is cool. It sort of is, I can't, I don't know. It depends on who's playing it I guess. If it's Willber Wild, obviously. But it is cool. It is cool. It sort of is. I can't, I don't know. It depends on who's playing it, I guess. If it's Will Be Wild, obviously.
Starting point is 00:48:08 It's cool. King of Cool. Yeah. That's the King of Cool, he referred to in the past. He'd wear sunglasses while he did it. Yeah. Inside. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Yeah, that is cool. Try to deny that that's not cool. Oh, and good luck. I've been embarrassing. Yeah. A German instrument maker named Wilhelm Weiprecht. Great name. A cute sax of stealing the idea of the saxophone from him. So, sax took the saxophone to Weiprecht and presented him with it and asked him to play it.
Starting point is 00:48:38 He's like, if you invent, if I saw this from you, have a go. The man couldn't even muster a sound out of it and quickly admitted that the design for the invention was a complete mystery to him. Wow. He's like, all right, you caught me in a lie here. No! All right, I don't know what is this. So the legal case is abated for now, but the attempts to ruin him did not. It's the trick for him would be getting this message out. He's like rack so many
Starting point is 00:49:05 people in a short amount of time. If he was able to do this live on YouTube or something, then everyone would have seen it and been like, okay, well this is embarrassing. This guy's a bad ass. But not like, I guess a lot of people just wouldn't have heard and some people still here in the first time. He's full of shit. It's fake news, guys. I guess that does still happen now. Yeah. So, but the legal case has stopped because he kept winning them, but so they went for even dirty attacks. Sax's plans and stools were stools. Tools were frequently stolen. They also stole his shits. Maybe this is where he keeps his secrets. No, they stole his plans and tools. His factory, quote, mysteriously, caught fire and burnt down.
Starting point is 00:49:51 Another time one of his workers who was the same height and builder's sacks was shot at whilst leaving the workshop in what was an apparent assassination attempt. Bloody hell. He's just making musical instruments. I know. So fucking it.
Starting point is 00:50:04 And it had to be so. And then everyone, yeah, it's so weird, because everyone's gone, this is a great new instrument. Apart from instrument makers, who surely should be the most excited. But they're not, they don't get to make the instruments though. So they don't get to cash in then you know. Yeah, it's just the money. It's all about the money there.
Starting point is 00:50:20 I should. It's not about the music. I don't know, it's just disappointing. You think the music man and women, probably men, would have not about the music. I don't know it's just disappointing you think the music man and women probably men What about the music would have been loving it. Yeah, and go and hey all right great. I'm inspired and you know what we're all Running our own race, you know just because somebody else is having some success He also falls downstairs a lot. Don't worry about it. Yeah, just wait. Just wait, he'll die eventually. I don't know what it's up, phrase, rising tide,
Starting point is 00:50:49 lifts all ships. Exactly right. He's making music better. So rise, learn from it. And they're hoping that the rising tide will drown him in an horrible accident. Honestly, I didn't like him before when you're like, he's brash and arrogant.
Starting point is 00:51:02 I was like, this guy kind of sounds like he sucks. But now I'm rooting for him because everyone's being so weirdly petty. He has become the underdog and it's because it was rumored that obviously the United Association of Instrument Makers are behind these assassination and you know fire bomb attempts. The constant court cases really took their toll financially leading sex to declare bankruptcy three times in his life. In 1852, 1873 and 1877. 1873, that's the year that the St. Kittler football club was formed. Wow, and did he invest early and you lost all these money?
Starting point is 00:51:32 That might have been it. In 1853, more bad fortune struck his life when he noticed a small black growth on one of his lips. It continued to grow and grow over the next five years, becoming so large that it stopped him from being able to eat and drink. He knew something had to be done and there were two options on the table. So it's now people like, that's obviously a cancerous growth.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Yeah. Surgery was one option at which would remove part of his jaw and his lip. Should he live, presumably he'd never be able to play his instruments again. Oh. The other option was to take herbal medicine from an Indian doctor. He went with the Indian doctor and it worked.
Starting point is 00:52:11 The tumour began to get smaller and within six months it was completely gone. Get out of town. Yes, a natural medicine. He should have acted sooner. Hey, if it's from the Earth, it's of the greatest worth. So we can chop that down as he survived yet another brush with death. And yes, Matt is pretty proud of himself with that one. Man, I love your peace sign necklace, by the way.
Starting point is 00:52:32 I didn't say anything before, but I love it. I did not call in that one, Dave. It's a very cool tie-dye t-shirt you've got up here. And that's a cool bad dinner. I like it. Like you look. Hey, Namaste. We'll give peace of chance.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Just let me finish this report. But the, you know, so he survived another brother brush with, with death, but the United Association kept up their assault. When his patents expired, I imagine at the time it looks like they don't last that long, they swept in and profited from the very designs that they had tried to stop. What the fuck? The hypocrisy. So- So they start doing knock-off shiddy version of this saxophone. Hector Burleos, the conductor who had championed sax when he was younger, once wrote, The persecutions he suffers are worthy of the Middle Ages, such as the hatred and ventors inspire
Starting point is 00:53:21 and rivals who are incapable of inventing anything themselves. So, those bit of pricks. That's insane. At 72 years old, a completely over-the-constant battles, sacks made an appeal to the public by publishing an article that outlined the ways the association had wronged him over the previous decades. The legal battles over nothing and the constant persecution, he wrote of them, quote, before me, I'm proud to say the musical industry was nothing or next to nothing in France.
Starting point is 00:53:52 I created this industry. I carried it to an unrivaled height. I developed the legion of workers and musicians and it is above all my counterfeiters who have profited from my work. it is above all my counterfeiters who have profited from my work." And the quote, Wow. Sad to say, the public didn't really care, but it did shame many famous musicians and industry figures to band together to aid the man that had genuinely changed their industry. Because of this, he was granted a small pension.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Okay. So we've got a little bit of money towards the end of his life. For creating an industry. Yeah. So he should have been wealthy beyond. Yeah, he should have been. While it's a mentionation. So rich. But he wasn't.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Sadly, all good things must come to an end. And sex died in 1894 at the age of 79 in relative poverty. Never really enjoying his success in his lifetime. That sucks. 79 back then though is a really good ending. So isn't it like he lived a long life? From a man that probably should have died at the age of three.
Starting point is 00:54:50 Yeah, true, yeah. But yeah, he didn't get to enjoy the spoils of his hard work is very disappointing. I'm wondering if he made a deal with the devil. That's why he was immortal for the first 79 years of his life. That is the devil's number 79 and the devil the devil said sure, but you've got to create a horn So sexy People will not be able to say no Well, the time he died he'd lodge 46 patents and it wasn't just the saxophone another instrument he created
Starting point is 00:55:24 He also filed a patent for a device that improved the sound of the signals of railways Well, the time he died he'd lodged 46 patents, and it wasn't just the saxophone and other instruments he created. He also filed a patent for a device that improved the sound of the signals of railways, and apparatus for pulmonary gymnastics, and a design for an egg-shaped concert hall where acoustics would have been revolutionary. Wow. Did anyone ever build the egg-shaped?
Starting point is 00:55:41 I don't believe so. Ah, I love the idea of it. That would look cool, too. That would look cool. Someone should do it. If. That would look cool too. That would look cool. Someone should do it. If it would sound good as well, it would look sick. That's everything.
Starting point is 00:55:50 You're ticking all the boxes. Imagine an egg-shaped building. The possibility is... I can't. My brain isn't quite powerful enough to. I genuinely think that would be... If it was like a sheer exterior... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:05 In the shape of an egg, I just crowded the next, you know, everyone's coming to that place. Yeah. Getting photos out the front, pretending they're pushing the egg. Yeah. Laying egg. Yeah, classic. Honestly, if a city is listening right now, one of the world's cities. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:24 If you're a city. You of the world's cities. Yeah. If you're a city. You really should take this opportunity. Yeah. And yeah, call it the sex egg. Sexy egg. What about egg world? Egg world. The world of eggs.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Yeah, that's really good. I don't want to go to that. You don't want to go to egg world? You don't like eggs. Yeah, no. But wait, is it the shape of eggs that you hate? No, but so good point. But egg world does really imply this gonna be like
Starting point is 00:56:47 egg food trucks. Oh, okay. But how do the brunch be in egg worlds? It'd be awesome, you'd think. You'd think, I don't know, egg worlds. I'm not sure if I'm thinking, mmm, delicious foods here at egg worlds. Oh, come on down.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Bring your family too. Why wouldn't you call it the Melbourne musical egg? Poreum or something. Yes. Yeah Music or no, maybe you just would never get in the title. Let the egg do the talking or like you'd go for something More fancy like over, you know, yeah, okay. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The Melbourne musical Overhaul Overhaul overhaul. Overhaul. Overhaul.
Starting point is 00:57:26 We got there. Thank you, man. I'm glad we got there. I know. We got there, but where is there? We're happy to be here. In the middle was Eggworld. The world of Eggworld.
Starting point is 00:57:34 That's where we are. We should have stopped at Eggworld. We should never have started. We never should have started. Well, Sax, see these other inventions, particularly fancy. You also invent envisioned a giant organ that would be assembled on a hillside in Paris I was so large that if it were played all of Paris could hear it. Wow That's a big organ. That's incredible. They didn't make it. Well, yeah fair enough because
Starting point is 00:57:56 How can you play an instrument that everyone can hear and pick a time that's convenient for everyone? Also, I like I've got night shift. Yeah, I'm sleeping. I imagine the people live on that hillside. It's like, oh, we'll just have to demolish these 10,000 houses. Remember a place where the big organ, the people will love the music. They can probably even the music. Probably his greatest potential invention was called the Saxo Canon. Yes. No, I don't need to hear anything.
Starting point is 00:58:22 I'm on board. What do you think it is? It's a saxophone that shoots T-shirts out of it. Pfft. Yeah. Other than the cannon that shot saxophone, that? Okay, which one of us is closer? You're both pretty similar.
Starting point is 00:58:36 It was a giant cannon that could fire a 500 ton, 10 meter wide mortar that he hoped could destroy an entire city in one shot. Okay, fuck enough. We went from, I'm bringing joy and music to the people. To destroy a city. Make egg building. Is it obvious that he's an angry man?
Starting point is 00:58:56 Yeah, wow. He's like, as he's loading up the cannon, you did this to me. Yeah, which city does he want to destroy? Yeah, all of them. Any particular houses you're aiming at? Maybe those of your enemies. Eggwell. Eggwell, boss.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I bet you that giant, that giant organ also had like a trick in it where you played a certain chord. Paras expo. Yeah. So it does sound like you just wanted to explode. It's a, oh no, no, no, it's a certain chord that he's distorted it so that it's such a pitch that it makes your to explode. Oh no no no it's a certain chord that he's distorted it so that it's such a pitch that it makes your head explode. And it gets his enemies to test it out. Yeah you should play it. I bet you can't play this chord. He's putting it on. He's putting
Starting point is 00:59:35 your earplugs in. He's wearing earmuffs. Go ahead. Go for it. Enjoy. So that's the weird and wacky life of Adolf Sax, but of course the history of the Sacks Phone does not end there, not by a long shot. Oh, it didn't die with him. Amazingly. No, spoiler. There was a decline in the popularity of Sacks of Ones in Paris after Sacks is death, mostly because the Sacks of Phone teaching at the Paris Conservatory was suspended from 1870
Starting point is 01:00:03 to 1900. But during this time over in the USA it really took off, mostly because of Patrick Gilmore, the first American band leader to feature the saxophone. He worked with virtuistic saxophonist Ed Wooday Lafibre, and from there the popularity of the instrument only grew. He had... Oh. I wrote to you. I was like, what does that mean? I wrote to myself, he had a Lafiber for sex. No.
Starting point is 01:00:35 No. The time was like, I know what that means. I'm looking at, he had a Lafiber thought, Oh good, yeah. That's good stuff. That is good stuff. Past day, took a break after that one. That thought did go through my head as well.
Starting point is 01:00:50 I must admit, and I went, come on Matt, you've had a lot of swings today. You are better than Matt. You've had a lot of swings and misses, not again. It took off so much that at the start of the 20th century, the epicenter for the saxophone was no longer in Europe, but in the United States. Wow. In fact, in Europe, in 1903, Pope Pius X was so alarmed by the incursion of the saxophone into sacred music that he issued a prohibition against its use.
Starting point is 01:01:20 So he fully banded. It's so dumb. I think it was the devil's horn. Why are we playing this in hymns and things? This this is this instrument is so sexy. It's too tempting. It's funny. Yeah, the Short-sightedness of old church now they're like we'll do anything to get people in what are you? We've got strippers now The sex ones are sexy enough for who what do you want? We've got strippers. We got K-pop playing while enough for who, what do you want? We've got strippers, we've got K-pop playing. Well strippers.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Come on. What do you want? We've got gambling. Come over here. Come sin in this pin over here. The sin pin. Come in the sin pin. Yeah, but back then, they really, there was an arrogance there.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible. Funny to think now that we're like, yeah, saxophone. Yeah, bringing on. If that's like, I'm gonna bring a crowd in. Yeah, will you come, if there think now that we're like, yes, saxophone. Yeah, bring it on. If that's not going to bring a crowd in. Yeah, will you come if there's a saxophone? All right. Well, here's the ten saxophone.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Yeah, here's the Pope playing careless whisper with a hologram of George Michael. Huh? So are the kids one? Come on! Is this going to be big on TikTok? Just answer me that. But imagine that's the thought of what's going to be big on TikTok
Starting point is 01:02:23 at the Pope and George Michael. Two things are kids laugh. So Pope's like, well when I was younger, this was really popular. In America, the ladies' home journal accused it of rendering listeners incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong and good and evil. It's an instrument you fucking moron. I thought it was the devil's horn. That's where this comes from.
Starting point is 01:02:49 Isn't it funny? Because you think, surely God created everything, including the horn, right, or at least, didn't he? But then they think the devil might have gotten the ear of Gary Sachs. Yeah. Sorry, Gary Gary Bears. No, what's his name?
Starting point is 01:03:03 There's Gary Gary Bears play the saxophone in excess. No, Oh, no, it was a Kirk Penn Gilly, I think was saxman, wasn't it? Disappointing also a good name though. That is imagine you were now being Kirk Penn Gilly and you've got only the second best night in the band Imagine Wow I'm gonna need a few minutes here. Everyone give me a sec. Gary Bears, the Gary so nasty, Gary him twice. Another swing and a hit. Oh, out of the park. I still don't think enough people know there's a guy called Gary Bears.
Starting point is 01:03:40 No, you need to spread the word. Got to spread that. That's a twat. Yeah. That's a twat. Yeah. That's a twite. That's that good. Should be twated. Bloody hell. Just twite Gary Gary B's.
Starting point is 01:03:51 Okay. I'll retweet it. And that's all it says, Gary Gary B. Gary Gary B. That all it says. Well, I mean. Yeah. That's just my idea.
Starting point is 01:03:59 I'm not a Twitter master like you. So, um, well, yeah. I'll let you know. You don't think it should master like you. So. Well, yeah. I'll let you know. You don't think it should be like the PSA, there's a man at there. For those of them. Well, maybe it could be, I don't think enough people know.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Yeah, that's good. It's a man named Gary Gobi's. I'm just gonna write Gary Gary B's. And then I'll reply to that tweet with, I just think, I'm just gonna double check if he how he spells his name. Yeah, it's double R. I think one of them is double and one of them. Oh, now that's fun. Yeah, first Gary's two, second Gary's one. Just to make it complicated. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:35 Gary, Gary, beers. And then when I'll reply to that, tweet saying just just just thought yeah don't no don't reckon yeah enough people yeah no there is a man out there this is too wordy I love it no no it's good with the name yes Gary Gary Bees. Right, and if anyone on this into this could go back now a few days and retweet it. Yeah. That would be great. Perfect. You'd love to go viral with the tweet that just says Gary Gary Bees. Yeah, that would be good.
Starting point is 01:05:17 All right, great. It's out there in the ether. All right, well done. Already two likes. Very quickly, people are on board with that. Thank you, Alex and Will Gupwell. What on? In case you're listening.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Which you probably are. Which feels nice. They were just mindlessly scrolling, saw that, went like an hour. In that second. Yeah. And now if they're listening, they're going to be like, whoa. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:40 You know what I mean? Do you though? I reckon they won't be listening. They don't even know me. They've just been searching for Gary Gary beers and finally... Somebody's talking about him. They found what they're looking for. But Gary's so nice, they named him twice. I love it.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Is that what you're writing now? All right, no, that's your point. No, that's yours, that's you. All right, I'll reply to that again. He's a Gary so nice, they named's yours. That's you all right. I'll reply to that He's a Gary so nicely named in five. That's good. That's good stuff. All right Are you I assume you're editing all this out? I was about to say someone's retweeted it what idiot would retweet this It's Jesper. I said I would And I stand by my word all right everyone get on board this I've still got a little bit of sex history to get through.
Starting point is 01:06:27 Oh yeah, okay. I guess. We got to get to the hitler bit. Yeah, the hitler bit. All right, fast forward to that. Oh, well, it's coming up soon because despite. What fast did? What despite the Vatican and the American Ladies' home
Starting point is 01:06:37 journal saying it's no good, it took off in America. They were first using Vortable and then ragtime bands and then the big bands led by Duke Allenton, Count Basie and Fletcher Henderson. It became a staple of big band jazz and swing in the 30s. The sax needed to be altered to compete with loud trumpets by this time, boisterous drums and dancing feet.
Starting point is 01:06:59 So the mouthpiece was made smaller and more parallel, which gave the sax the sound needed for jazz and dance music. So it was, it has been changed slightly. Right, okay. Colman Hawkins played with Fletcher Henderson from 1923 to 1934 and established the tenor saxophone as a jazz solo instrument.
Starting point is 01:07:18 So it started getting very popular with jazz musicians. Oh. Whilst taking off in America in Germany, when the Nazis came to power. They banded as an instrument of American, quote, jungle music, because Hitler was deeply racist and the instrument had become popular with black Americans. Wait, Hitler was racist? Deeply. Really?
Starting point is 01:07:39 He didn't, he banded, so you weren't allowed to play the saxophone. And this reporter... He also hates love and he loves hate. So that's why he knows that when the sax is played, people make love not war. And he's like, no, make war. Make war not love. Yeah, he was a virgin.
Starting point is 01:07:57 This is something that I don't know. As long as you don't count incess, the sex, he was a virgin. OK. Allegedly. I'm sorry, do you think Hitler was gonna come after us? I don't, I don't want to be dragged through the mud by the estate of Adolf Hitler.
Starting point is 01:08:15 That's it. I'm mad. Out of all the things that's been written around me, I'm like, we'll go after this. Hey, hey, he'd fucked. I'm not're defending that. Imagine us coming in next week. Next week we have to start with a statement saying,
Starting point is 01:08:30 oh, last week, if we said some things in the heat of the moment. Just like to clarify, the out of Hitler has definitely fucked. And here's a list of. They didn't come after it because, well, a little while ago, we really went on, we caught him a little bitch. And they didn't come after us for that. You know what, though?
Starting point is 01:08:46 Because we can prove it. But calling him a big V, they will not stand with for that. But he is a little bitch. Yeah, as big V. Dave, you got to do a report on him one day. I think it's time that his story was told. For so long, it's... People have been like, who was this man?
Starting point is 01:09:03 There's no documentaries on SBS every night of the week. A lot of people talking about a few horrendous actions. A few horrendous. Oh, dearie me, what's going on today? It's early? I mean the punking is just informed, that's what's happening. But he wasn't the only dictator to take a stand against the devil's horn. What? Stalin despised the instrument of capitalist depression,
Starting point is 01:09:31 as he thought it, so much that he not only banned it, but he sent its players to Siberia, sent them to camps. Many other European countries were pressured into following the ban during this time. Like the fuck? This is, I mean, it's a fucking instrument, you moron. Many of which remained in place following the ban during this time. What the fuck? This is, I mean... It's a fucking instrument you moron. Many of which remained in place until the 1980s. What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:09:51 Oh, the 80s was the... Yeah, that's what... ...take of the saxophone. As soon as you heard Kaelis whispered, they were like, actually... Yeah, I take it all back. The changes everything. As soon as they heard Clarence Clamans just ripping it apart
Starting point is 01:10:02 in Jungle Land, or one of the boss's big hits. That's right. But the Vatican ban has reportedly never been lifted. You still gonna have a sax, you don't play saxophone. I mean, I doubt that is enforced now, but like they've never officially come out and had a statement saying, actually, the sax is okay by us.
Starting point is 01:10:18 That's nuts. It's an instrument. I don't understand that at all. It's crazy. Yeah, it is weird that these racists have some sort of illogical thoughts. Hmm. Yeah. And... It's a mate. So that it was all born out of a racist idea
Starting point is 01:10:35 that it was popular with black people. Yeah, black Americans, yeah. And so therefore just ban it. I mean, I don't know if I can lose any more respect for these races. Well that I mean that's it I think and Stalin's idea was it's it's a big in America. Oh, right. Well it's capital Pigs capas are playing the saxo, but it's like did he ban other things or he just picked this? I mean yet to be to be fair it was they allowed to watch mash the list of the list of offenses that you get sent to a Siberian camp for were many and ever changing yeah right changing uh he'd also be good for a interesting but
Starting point is 01:11:15 horrifying report but over in America the incident went from strength to strength the modern layout of the saxophone and mastering the 1930s and 40s with the layout of the keys changing, making it even easier to play. Right. Oh, okay. From there, the instrument was part of many major changes in American music. Jazz B-bop in the 1940s, pioneered by Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and Thelonius Monk, playing
Starting point is 01:11:39 long solos. Tism had a song about Charlie the Bird Parker, and it was called tonight, Dr. Harry had a song about Charlie the Bird Parker and it was called Tonight Dr. Harry visits the home of Charlie the Bird Parker. That's funny. That's funny. In the 1940s the swing bands gave rise to Rhythm and Blues, and the sax was again front and center. The R&B saxophone players influenced later genres, including rock and roll, soul, funk, and of course, scar.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Just give it a boop. Love it. I love scar music. Then in the 1950s, John Coltrane blasted his tennis acts at the forefront of free jazz and also on the tenor was Sonny Rollins who was still alive at age 90. Wow, amazing. I did, so all those names you said, they're all six oftenists. Yeah, different types, tenor and alto. Yeah, they're all the sort of big names and jazz and I'm like, I'm obviously pretty cool,
Starting point is 01:12:43 but I don't know jazz that well apart from some of big names in jazz and I'm like, I'm obviously pretty cool but I don't know jazz that well apart from some of those names. So I was assuming they'd be like, penis and trumpeters and stuff as well but it's mainly the big names that usually sex off on us. A lot, I mean there are like famous trumpet players. Satchmo. Satchmo, Marl's Davis and things like that. Oh yeah, yeah. But, um, yeah, but, you know, some of these big, big names John Coltrane who played on a few Miles Davis records. Then in the 60s, Coltrane and other players
Starting point is 01:13:14 like Sam Rivers and Pharaoh Sanders headed the Avant-Garde movement and took the instrument to a whole new place. Then in the 70s Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie and Jerry Rafferty, of course, Baker Street, rocked out with sacks in their hits. In the 80s, Kaelis Whisperen simply the best for all headlined by the sacks. Tismata sacks often is for their first decade or so. Love it. So good. I think just any rock or rock adjacent band in the 80s, it was like you know guitar, bass, drums, sax. It would be in that order I think.
Starting point is 01:13:49 That's awesome. Then in 1986, the seminal smooth jazz album, Duo Tone's was released by Kenny G. He has gone on to be one of the best selling artists of all time, selling 75 million for a true bloody hell. He was in a bad mums too, a Christmas special which I watched at Christmas time and he had a little cameo in that. That's how big he is, he was in bad mums too.
Starting point is 01:14:18 Bad mums too. He's a bad dude. I mean it wasn't Susan Surandon in that. She wanted the mums. Honestly the mums were bad. And I said it a lot to the point that I annoyed the others watching with this. Jeez, they are bad mums, aren't they? Shhh.
Starting point is 01:14:32 So you were mum shaming? Ah, yes. Okay. Mum shaming. Yeah. Jesus. I mean, it was a title of the film. I thought that opened the door for me to Mumshame,
Starting point is 01:14:45 which is the only reason I really wanted to watch it because I love Mumshame. I love going in or apart, just sitting there by myself and, and phew, wouldn't it own that if I was a Mum? I love it, yes. Same, same. Just building Mumshame.
Starting point is 01:14:58 Yeah, boom. No, no, no, no, no, no. Shining of affection. So less affection at times as well. Bit much. Bit much, mom. Just keep yelling bit much. Bit much.
Starting point is 01:15:11 Oh, then in the 90s, Americans elected a saxophone playing president in Bill Clinton. Oh, yeah. Most powerful man in the world playing saxophone. And that was like quite a famous moment. I don't quite remember it, but that, you guys wouldn't need that, but it was like, I remember it being parriedied on the Simpsons
Starting point is 01:15:33 and maybe he played on one of the tonight shows or something. And it was like impersonators would then carry a saxophone as well, I think. This would be like, huh? I'm Bill. I'm Bill. See, if you can't tell from my gray wig, maybe you can tell from this saxophone.
Starting point is 01:15:48 I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Start high-fiving people. That would almost definitely have been done on Saturday night. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Then in 1997, we learned how Lisa Simpson got her saxophone in season nine, episode three,
Starting point is 01:16:04 Lisa sax. I literally just watched that last week. Oh great. It's a good app. Well, around the same time, the New York Times wrote of how Lisa Simpson started a sax craze. So she popularized, especially for younger women. In the same article Matt Graning reported that he frequently got fan mail that included young
Starting point is 01:16:23 girls holding saxophones in photos photos saying I started because of Lisa. That's cute. But it all started as a joke. This is a quote from that Times article. The only reason Lisa plays the saxophone is that Matt Graning thought it would be funny for an eight year old girl to play the saxophone. Not just a sax he corrected, but a baritone sax. But she doesn't always play a baritone sax because the animators don't know what it looks
Starting point is 01:16:44 like. So it changes shape and color from show to show. Just show them a photo. I was gonna say Google it, but they might not have had that ability. Free internet. They also have to file a correction at the bottom of this article that's been like filed from 1997 because they originally referred to Bleeding Gum's Murphy as Lisa's band leader rather than her mentor. And all I can say is, jeez, I hope song good for that blunder.
Starting point is 01:17:09 The band leader, of course, being Dave, Simpson's fan. Oh, I've got Blanc on his name. Can you do me? Can you do me? Hey, how's up? Yeah, he has a... I'm actually...ation of him. Is that of course.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Jewelago. I didn't know that. I thought he was Lago. That's interesting. I thought I would have known that name. I reckon I've never heard of it. Hey, hey, hey, let, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, late, to quote from that the sax revival is being led by world leading musicians including the weekend whose recent hit In Your Eyes reached number 13 on the Australian top 40 charts. And the 1975 whose April song
Starting point is 01:18:13 If You're Too Shy picked at number 12 on the Billboard charts both featured sax solas reminiscent of the 80s. Yeah, In Your Eyes has got a very 80s feel. Well Diane told me a senior lecturer at the Queensland Conservatorium in the same article as quoted as saying, the saxophone's reputation had suffered from being the butt of many jokes and parodies.
Starting point is 01:18:35 The sexy saxman, careless whisper prank video, have you seen that? On YouTube has racked out more than 41 million views, but it's definitely making a comeback. That's when a man like shirtless with a mullet and like a terrible mustache breaks into like a cafeteria and just starts playing terribly the solo from from Kaelis Whisper and like he's like rolling around on a table while he was playing it and being asked to leave. And that's at 41 million views. And this senior lecture
Starting point is 01:19:02 is putting is pointing to that as the reason the sex has become a joke. It's a funny, cause yeah, the life cycle of trends, I'll get too big and then it'll become, yeah, like silly, silly, the butt of the jokes. And then people will start liking it ironically again and then it'll become cool again. So weird, it's so, the idea that any instrument is not cool or cool. Yeah, it's so stupid.
Starting point is 01:19:29 Do you like playing it? It's cool then. Who fucking cares? It's so weird. Yeah. But I definitely stopped playing piano because I was like, what am I gonna ever gonna use this?
Starting point is 01:19:40 And now I'm like, you stupid little... Yeah, yeah, yeah. My first tell is to ment. So good! Wish I learned instrument properly and a language as a kid. Yeah. Any language, English, any language properly. Yeah, that would be nice.
Starting point is 01:19:53 Give me a go, get me back in there. I like it, Dave. Do you notice how Dave pronounced Harold as Harold? Yes, I did, yes. I did. Have I talked to you about this before? I read a while ago that Melbourne slowly shifted in an accent where we switch our our vowels like ease to a's so we say stuff like
Starting point is 01:20:14 Harold instead of Harold and Halle copter instead of helicopter. Oh as soon as you know you're doing it You'll probably stop but yeah, I found that. I don't know why that is interesting yeah I think in that instance you just spoke but no it's not fun Grim fact but it's not just 80s throwback songs out of sex as instrument despite the many setbacks of his lifetime can be heard across setbacks setbacks of his lifetime can be heard across rock, pop, jazz, and electronic genres. And whilst there are lots of different types of saxophones, the instruments with the widest use and availability in modern time, the soprano, alto, tenor, and baritone saxophones, and there are now millions of players worldwide.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Still, despite the instruments underniable influence and success, it doesn't have a chair in a conventional symphony orchestra. Oh, who's that? And it is rarely seen in such a setting. Really? There are definitely orchestral pieces that have been written with a saxophone in,
Starting point is 01:21:18 but it hasn't been widely adopted. It's because it's not normal. It's like all the other ones sort of play together and a kind of boring. It feels like the saxophone would stand out too much and... I never want to be staring at it and take it off their clothes. Yeah, everyone else would feel, oh my god. You know, you feel you dress up all fancy to go see the orchestra.
Starting point is 01:21:37 You don't want to then turn it into an orgy, you know? Exactly. And then, and then, and then, and then. Over the top of both sides. How does the careless whisper sex go? Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Beautiful stuff. That is sexy.
Starting point is 01:21:52 But I was the surprise to them. I'm like, oh yeah, if you don't see it in an orchestra. What about Oliver Clark's song, Atomic Thrust? Oh, that's great. That's got a great sex all over it. You recall that one? Yeah. The camera, how it goes.
Starting point is 01:22:09 And Evan is super dull. Atomic thrust coming out. The film clip for it. And it's got a great, and then all of it plays the sex all over, hanging out of car, while still driving the car. Yeah. It's good stuff. It's challenging, man.
Starting point is 01:22:22 We'll have to post that from the, do you go on a camera? But can he do it whilst riding a horse? Well, I'd have to assume so. Yeah. So in summary, some people are still pushing for it to be part of orchestras, because it's such a popular instrument. So there's still room to grow before Sax's vision is fully realized, but that is the weird history of the Saxophone. That's great. We really doubted you at the start there. I think I can speak for both of us there where we went, oh Dave lost it. Oh no, it's going to be a real boring one. Oh Dave's starting a new year and he's phoning it in.
Starting point is 01:22:54 But that was amazing. What a story. Yeah. Baffling in parts. So baffling. So baffling. I mean baffling off the very first point that he even lived. That in itself baffling. Sorry, Baffling off the very first point that he even lived. That in itself, baffling.
Starting point is 01:23:07 But it is strange to think like, I mean, minor changes, but history would definitely have changed if that kid had died. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, definitely. Or it would be played with a flute. Oh my god. Skin flute.
Starting point is 01:23:22 No. No, no, no, no. Wow, it's funny for the bands that do have a saxophonist full time, like the A-strip band, Bruce Springstains band, as it goes in and out of fashion. Like I'm sure I remember footage of Clarence Clemens playing like a tambourine and stuff. That's the main during the albums, or like. Hard to say, it's hard to say.
Starting point is 01:23:51 First of all, I want to sit this one out. And I mean this album. Can I play tambourine? All right, fine. Every song's got a tambourine, so I can feel like he's a part of it. Yeah, he passed away a few years ago, and but he's been replaced in the band by his nephew, which is kind of cool.
Starting point is 01:24:08 That's nice, that's really nice. Now he's... Nephi is doing the tambourine solo. That's what I'm saying. Until next year, when the sex is making another comeback. I think yeah, you just got to ride it out sometimes. Yeah. Like, that's why I kept all my flair jeans.
Starting point is 01:24:23 Yeah. That's gonna come back eventually. I'll be back. All right, well, I bring this to everyone's favorite section of the show, the fact-quotal question section. Dave, I've got to say, great report. I love these reports. We do that are a bit different to a classic sort of,
Starting point is 01:24:39 what are you going to call the episode? What do you think the weird history of the saxophone or something like that? It'll leave me just call it the saxophone, I'll get your reaction, but yes. Do I wanna listen to this? The weird and wacky, fantabulous, I think it's like an operational hop-knock.
Starting point is 01:24:54 A mystery. Yeah, that's right, I'm murder mystery. Just add mystery to it, that'll be fine. True crime, the saxophone story. So anyway, this is the fact quote a question section which I think has a jingle to go something like this. Fact quote all questions. He always remembers the hand. Honorary sex fan additions. No I want it to be that forever. Oh no. Clarence. Yeah, tribute to Clarence. He didn't have to, yeah, the ding, he actually had to play the ding quite a bit in those non-saxi songs, but
Starting point is 01:25:30 so the way this works is if you support us at patreon.com such to go on part or by do go on pod.com on the Sinny Shamburg Deluxe Memorial Edition Package level you get to give us a fact-quaddle question amongst many other rewards and there's heaps of different levels for any price budget You can get bonus episodes, you can have voting rights was today was a free choice I think for you Dave. Yeah, that's right. So I had to go through that they're hadn't find some Some suggestions so the way we That's right, so I had to go through the hat and find some suggestions. So the way we...
Starting point is 01:26:06 Oh, the brass. Oh, some. The way we work with the voting is that any one time, two of the three of us will be putting it out to the votes and then the remaining one of the third will get to choose their own one. So on different levels, if you're on the Sydney Shahnberg level, you have to vote in two of the three episodes. Anyway, but this part of the show is a fact quote-unquestion, and some of these Sydney Shahnberg level supporters have come up with some great stuff I assume haven't read them yet. The first one is from Siraj Pyrus who... Who you are, who you think me under the table the other night.
Starting point is 01:26:46 You're sharing a few beers. Yes. I think I just killed you. I want to die. Yeah, for enough. She was being so, such a good sport for a lot of the episode, but we wore down. Enough is enough. I'm the lameness everyone.
Starting point is 01:27:04 Yeah, I'm the cool one here. That can't be right. What do you mean? But I'm so cool. Oh, guess so. Thank you. The sax fan of the podcast. So, Siraj has given himself the title of
Starting point is 01:27:17 Bum Wash Advocate, Khloakka Division. Yes. You got to wash your butt. Got to wash that Khloakka. Any ducks or chickens listening, wash them Khloakkas. Khloak got to wash your butt. Got to wash that cloaca. Any ducks or chickens listening wash them cloaccus. Yeah, cloaca hygiene, very important. Surage has given us a fact and the fact is some turtles can breathe through their bum. Technically through the skin on or in their cloaccus. A few other amphibians can do it too.
Starting point is 01:27:45 That is... When you say some turtles can, is it like some species of breeds of turtles, or is it just like Gary can, but Lewis can? I'm assuming species, but maybe it is. Maybe it's one of those things, maybe it's one of them. You're like, oh, you're an offspring of them. I'm like, oh, you're an earth-spreader.
Starting point is 01:28:03 I'm like, oh, I'm a mouth guy. Yeah. I'm like, whatever, I'm like, whatever, I keep juxtapred. I keep juxtapred. See you around. I tell you, I got diagnosed with a mouth breather recently. No.
Starting point is 01:28:14 Yeah, real bummer. What does that mean? Means that my nose isn't good enough for breathing. Okay. Down for surgery. Cool. So, do you not notice that you weren't breathing through your nose or? I didn't really, I didn't really know, notice.
Starting point is 01:28:28 And I didn't know that it caused, cause of issues. Is there a possibility that when they open up your nose, you'll lose that deep, deep voice? And you're like, Hello, hello, it's me, Beth. I'm a proctor. Welcome down to my, trans-wha-ha!
Starting point is 01:28:42 I can breathe in my nose. It's so so good! I'll wake up from surgery with a high-pitched voice and a warehouse. Ha ha ha ha! And then we take my sky! It's a full way. What did you do to me? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Starting point is 01:29:01 So tough. Lucky you're the cool one of the podcasts. Yes, I am. Troubled air, just bacon. That's me. So the next one, thank you so much, Siraj, for that one. The next one comes from Claire Norris, who's given herself the title of cute animal cataloga. Oh, that's an important job.
Starting point is 01:29:21 And Claire has asked a question writing, Hi all, thanks for being such a bright spot in our very weird year. Hopefully Jess has her new puppy by the time this question is. Sure do. Oh, that's good, because the question is, what is the cutest thing your pet does? And I'm glad she's answered it, because on primates Evan and I we encourage people if they ask a question answer the question So yeah, so let's get your answer first Jess and then I'll read Claire's response The cutest thing he does
Starting point is 01:29:58 I don't know Is is anytime anybody gets near him, he just rolls straight onto his back for tummy rubs, which is making training very hard, because he will sit and then immediately lie on his back. He sits in a rolls. Yeah, he sits in a rolls. Um, and he has a chair that he's taken over as his, he's just very cute.
Starting point is 01:30:19 Yeah. And he hasn't yet developed any like, particularly cute habits, because we only had him like a month. But he's just cute in general. Does Humphrey have any cute habits? Oh, just letting him off the lid of the park. He just absolutely goes for it. So it's hello to every single dog individually.
Starting point is 01:30:35 Hello, hello, hello, hello. Hello. It's a real nice dog. Now he's a friendly and yeah, and at home becoming quite calm and quiet It's good friends over last week and they were like we didn't hear him the whole time He's just so quiet because some dogs you hear and go He's just like a silent mover. Yeah, all right, and he hasn't become depressed or something
Starting point is 01:30:58 It's barely looked up from the camera. Yeah, so he was still come over. You just be like oh, hi. Yeah It's really funny. Really fun. Nice dog. Claire answered by saying, my cat sit on my lap every day as I teach virtually. One takes the morning shift and the other the afternoon. That's nice. They clock on. That's nice.
Starting point is 01:31:17 Being like, well, your turn. Goose likes to spread his time with us evenly. So he'll climb upon the couch and he'll lie on me for a little bit and then he'll go and lie on Aidan. So he's sort of like, I love you both. We're like, we don't care. We know. It's nice. You're already jaded. Yeah, we get it. We get it. You love us. You adore us. I get it. Whatever. Give me some space. I never asked. Did you name your dog after Riteath Gooson? Yes. The South African Gulfa.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Absolutely, yes. Thank you. Nobody ever gets that. Oh my God, that would be so. What, oh, what's your, Gursa's an interesting name. Yes, he's named after Riteath Gooson. The South African Gulfa that I'm sure you know who they are.
Starting point is 01:32:00 I came up, that was a, I was reading a quiz, newspaper trivia quiz the other day up, that was a, I was reading a quiz, newspaper trivia quiz the other day, and that was a question. Which golfer was known as the goose? There you go. I know, I couldn't put it. I'm like, goose and someone good,
Starting point is 01:32:15 I couldn't quite remember. What a name, Ritef Goose. Incredible. Thank you so much, Claire. This one comes from Drew Fawesberg, whose title is DeAngelo's Untitled. Does anyone get that reference? That feels like it's... What is it again, Selen? DeAngelo's Untitled. Is that the name of a famous art work or something?
Starting point is 01:32:37 Dave, what is it mean? What is it mean? Oh, I'm including, there's a song by DeAngelo called Untitled. Oh, okay. The brackets, how does it feel? Okay. From 2000. John Raid. Ah, it's just, it's a play on, give yourself a title, I guess. Ah, okay, gotcha.
Starting point is 01:32:56 John Raid, contemporary soul. Ah, they'd be sacks involved there, potentially. They'd be potentially. I have something to say. Sacks. Girl, it's only you have it your way. So that's something that I'm saying. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying,
Starting point is 01:33:07 I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just
Starting point is 01:33:22 just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just And that's from Cleaver Green in Rake. I haven't seen it a while, but I love that show. He says, okay, I'm paraphrasing it, but whatever episode I first heard him say it in, I fell in love with the phrase. Just such an apt term for when circumstances rise to meet our own best efforts and tell us to stand aside, please. That's great. It's beautiful. I want to, it's Drew not from Australia, because surely you've heard the phrase, fuck me sideways before. Yeah. Rake was on TV.
Starting point is 01:33:49 If not, I'm disappointed. It's double checking. Where are you from? Drew. I is from America. Ah, okay. That's cool. So, um, Rake's been watching in America.
Starting point is 01:34:03 That's cool. That is cool. Getting a bit of Australian culture there drew. Thank you so much for that quote. Fuck me, Sard, what is... Beautiful. That's a beautiful quote. And finally from Vincienzo or Vinny Giovanni Bonadonna.
Starting point is 01:34:23 Amazing. Every time it really just tickles, tickles me inside the brain. You can do that sweet tickly feeling. And Vinny's given himself the title of the Grey Hand and his quote. Oh, that's cool. That's cool.
Starting point is 01:34:39 His quote is, the most difficult thing is the decision to act. The rest is merely tenacity and that's from Amelia Earhart Earhart. Nice quote by a cool person in my opinion. Thanks Vinnie for clarifying. I hope you do go on as have a happy holiday season and thank you for the great content. Keep it up. I think well I think we all had a pretty good holiday season. Thank you so much Vinnie. Thank you. the great content, keep it up. I think, well, I think we all had a pretty good holiday season. Thank you so much, Finny.
Starting point is 01:35:06 Thank you. I will speak for the others. How dare you. And we also like to thank a few other supporters of ours who've been on the, signed up on the, what do I forget this? Maybe the DB Cooper level. Asprod. The Asprod level.
Starting point is 01:35:24 And Jess Nolman comes up with a little game to play, something based on the episode. We can either name a new instrument after them, or? After their surname, like the saxophone. Yeah. Yeah, that could be good. Or we are the high school band teachers,
Starting point is 01:35:40 and we are assigning them instruments. Oh, okay. Maybe we can assign them an instrument that's invented for them. Great. Perfect. All right, well, if I can kick us off. And if you could do it as a logo from Simpsons. Please. Lace, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:35:55 Okay, I'm in character. Oh, my God. I'm ready. It's just perfect. Oh, my God. From Calcott in England, I'd love to thank John T. Hyde. Oh.
Starting point is 01:36:08 Oh, the Hyde Wacker. The Hyde Wacker. The Hyde Wacker. That's for you, John T. The Cushion. Hyde Wacker, yeah, yeah. It's like a few sticks you find outside and a rock. That actually sounds like a nickname for drums or something, you know?
Starting point is 01:36:24 Yeah, because it's like, isn't it like a raw hide or something? No, raw, I don't know what that even means. It's like pig skin. We used to be. And what I call skin, yeah. Johnty Hyde. Johnty Hyde. I'm the hard wacker.
Starting point is 01:36:37 I love that. Johnty Hyde on the hard wacker. Thank you so much for your support, Johnty. I'd also love to thank from Dublin in Ireland, Atomo Riley. Uh, Atomo Riley's playing the O'Reilly Pipes. Oh, that sounds nice. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Are they a big pipe? Are they a bagged pipe? It's one big pipe. One big pipe. Wow. Wow. Stuck together. That's why the pipes.
Starting point is 01:37:02 Oh, okay. How long is it? Uh, 14 meters. Wow. Wow. How long is it? 14 meters. Wow. That is cumbersome. Yeah. It's not like twirled up like a French horn or something. It's straight.
Starting point is 01:37:11 Yeah. It's straight, but then just at the end, it does a little loop. Like the water-slide at action park. And the sound cannot make it around it. Oh, this is it. But that's right. It gives it a lovely, like,
Starting point is 01:37:25 oh, sound at the end of the nose. It's a really beautiful sound. It's really beautiful. And the O'Rolle pipes, that sounds like an Irish instrument, doesn't it? Yeah. The O'Rolle pipes. So it is, it's an Irish instrument, so.
Starting point is 01:37:35 And last time from O'Rolle, I'd love to thank from Great Home in England, Matt Stone. What about the Stone Cliff? Stone Cliff. Explain that to me. What's that Stone Clef? Stone Clef. Explain that to me. What's that? What do you got there with the stone? This is a musical thing, like a treble clef.
Starting point is 01:37:51 Yes. So what's a stone clef? Oh, what is a stone clef? Yes. Well, okay. So you have a stack of stones. Mm-hmm. All different sizes.
Starting point is 01:38:00 Yes. Stacked on top of each other. And then at a dramatic moment in the orchestral piece yes Matt will run up and push them over oh that's great like a crashing yeah they'll be crashing there's a crash and there'll be a crash and there thank you some of the strings players are a cool one again you felt you felt regret for me I saw it some of the other players the string players are at risk of being hit by stones. With it.
Starting point is 01:38:27 But absolutely worth it for the dramatic sound, crash endo, and also it's just visual. You know, people might be nodding off. It's a bit where you're like, or some of the rocks will hit those people. Yeah, that's right. But it's a keep everyone interested on your toes. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:40 So they're crashing onto just the floor or their symbols sort of things sort of on the ground for them to crash into yeah, yeah, yes, that's amazing. I love that very much great instrument. Cheers Matt Stone Do you want to ever go here Bob Boba? The Boba yes I would love to thank some people and I would love to thank from Boramhan, Boramhan would Boram would and I would love to thank from Borumhan wood. Borumwood. Love it.
Starting point is 01:39:07 Borumwood. You know these are English play stames and never pronounce like you think they should be. Oh no. They're not, they don't spell the phonetically. So it's not Borumwood. It's probably Borumwood. Yeah, Borumwood sounds good.
Starting point is 01:39:19 Yeah, it does sound pretty good. And I would love to thank Delali, a Matthew Day. Oh, a Mafu day. DAD, DAD, daddy. I'd love to thank daddy. Is that the instrument? Daddy? Oh, the daddy, the big daddy.
Starting point is 01:39:37 The big daddy. The big daddy. Delali, you're on the big daddy? No. Which of course is the biggest drama ever invented. Wow. You have to climb up a full double story ladder to sit at it. Yep.
Starting point is 01:39:50 And because that's how tall it is. Yes. And you have like a big high chair. It's sort of like a tennis unbiased chair, you know, or like a lifeguard chair. Yep. And you sit on that with two massive sticks and you sit on that with two massive sticks and you play it, that sort of, boom, boom, boom, boom,
Starting point is 01:40:11 that timpani sort of thing, but it's bigger. Yeah. It's like a big timpani. Wow. Not the industry big timpani, don't get confused with them because they are one of the big pressure groups in instruments.
Starting point is 01:40:22 Yeah, of course. But yeah, what do we call again the Big Daddy? Big Daddy. Big Daddy, sorry, it applied really for those big dramatic moments. Yeah. When like a pile of stones and isn't enough, yeah. Yeah, you don't want a crescendo, you need the Big Daddy. Get in the Big Daddy. So thank you so much. I'd also love to thank from London, in London, Caleb, Caleb no surname, so it's got to be on Caleb then, or London. The London all day. Well, in the middle. Okay.
Starting point is 01:40:53 Like, is he playing the, like the cables that hold together, the London all like a giant heart? Exactly right. Yes. Come, Caleb is in fact a giant. Wow. Fantastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's why, why cuz everyone in London knows Caleb you don't need a surname whenever I know Caleb it's like a Caleb. It's like a Dell no one knows the surname. No one knows the surname admins
Starting point is 01:41:12 No one knows it no one knows what I said. I'm not at can we don't know. I don't know I don't know what it is. It could be anything up a dowl I'm Caleb. Yeah exactly everyone knows Caleb so he plays the London eye like a big harp. And it is honestly, oh my god, it is transfixing. Wow, what a haunting. It is haunting. I've been down the Thames. And it plays in the middle of the night and you say, oh, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 01:41:35 And it puts, it puts all of London to sleep. It's the queen to sleep. It's the queen to sleep. Yeah, no, no, queen. No, no. She can't sleep without the London oaks. And I would love to thank finally for me from North Hobart in Tasmania, Ryan North. Ryan North from North Hobart.
Starting point is 01:41:53 North Hobart, lovely spot. No, ho. Oh, is that a no ho? That sounds like an instrument. No ho. It's a brother of the oboe. Yes. What's a no ho?
Starting point is 01:42:03 No ho. So is that a woodwind? Or is that a brough? Yes, it's a woodwind. Woodwind. Yes. What's a no-ho? No-ho. So is that a woodwind? Or is that a brass? Yes, there's a woodwind. Woodwind. The Obo. It's, yeah. So it's like an Obo, but it's, um, get this bigger. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:15 That's not like us. Yeah, yeah. And it's, um, some way to brass, it is, it's woodwind, and it is like this one, just to make it easier for everyone, it's made out of wood as well. Oh, okay. Not just to read all of its wood. So what part of it is wind? one just to make it easier for everyone, it's made out of wood as well. Ah, okay. Not just the reed, all of it's wood. So what part of it is wind?
Starting point is 01:42:28 Ah, the blowing. Ah, yes. Yeah. Very good. Well, there we go. Dave, do you want to bring it home and thank some people? Thank you so much. I would like to thank from Port Smith in England here.
Starting point is 01:42:39 Tom Ford. Tom Ford. Tom Ford. The makeup and fragrance and... Film director. Film director and clothing. Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 01:42:51 And... Wow, Tom Ford, this is just cool. Tom Ford, you've got enough. So, I don't know who that person is. You're talking about, I went to Ford, the car manufacturer. Yes, sure. So I was thinking he plays the exhaust pipe. Oh, what a...
Starting point is 01:43:07 Like with his mouth, there was he's still revving it. Yeah. He's revving the exhaust pipe. Is he like trying to like get backfires in time with the music? Yes, I initially I was thinking he took the exhaust pipe off and played it sort of like with a couple of sticks. Okay, but I like to say even more.
Starting point is 01:43:26 Him just wrapping it in time. So he's just sort of, he backs the car up onto the stage. And it's a V8, so it sounds great. Oh, that's got a beautiful timber. No, fantastic. I only time for re-appreciate your contribution to music. Bang! I would now like to thank from Shoreham by C in West Sussex. Fantastic place name. Samuel Smith. Samuel Smith. Playing the Smith and Western. Oh well. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang deal like building a song like my voice yes it starts with drums never talk
Starting point is 01:44:30 starts with drums I build I build it from there so thank you Sam you'll Smith and finally I'd like to thank from Cullingworth in Bradford also in England, Jack Marchum. Marchum. Marching drums. What a name. I made bigger. What a, the one man marching band. Oh, yay. The Marchum. The Marchum.
Starting point is 01:44:53 You're on the Marchum. It's a one minute, he's playing them all. Yeah. So I just got, yeah. I love the symbols between the nays. Yeah. So I was like the one man band thing. What sets it apart from that?
Starting point is 01:45:01 He is a bigger. Yeah. Yes. And it includes backfl? He is a bigger. Yes. And it includes backflips. Yeah. Fantastic. You springs on his shoes to help with the backflips. As for us, you'll have cheerleaders out the front of a marching band, like twirling sticks and stuff.
Starting point is 01:45:16 He's doing that as well. Whoa! That is badass. He's busy. That is badass, badass. So thank you to all those supporters, Johnty, Adam, Matt, Delali, Kayla, Brian, Tom, Samuille, and Jack.
Starting point is 01:45:31 And we also, finally, before we finish off today, we also like to welcome in a couple of people into the... Tripped it club. Tripped it club. And the way this works is you get involved at the Patreon.com such do you go on pod. And if you're on the shout out level for three straight years, then you get welcomed into the club. And there's a few people who come in today. We've got to do this pretty quickly
Starting point is 01:45:57 as someone's about to need the studio. But Jess, you've got something for our new inductees, a bit of food and drink. Yes, we have Belgian chockey. Oh, I love it. And we were talking a lot, maybe too much about milk before. So, milky cocktails, you know, white Russian, white Russian, et cetera. Dave, you got a band book.
Starting point is 01:46:21 Oh, we've got John Coltrane and Thelonius Monk. Wow. Going sex to sex. I love that. S2S, great band. Which is of course the Lonea sister. John Coltrane. So, there's a few in today.
Starting point is 01:46:38 So Thelonius Monk was a piano player. So he thought 91 jazz musician. That doesn't player. Sorry, the 91 chess musician. That doesn't play saxophone, but still, imagine. Don't call it a sax. Plenty Spunk are on the floor. Oh, that is amazing. And the way this works is I'm standing at the door. I'm welcoming in the inductee, then Dave hops them up.
Starting point is 01:47:00 He's the hot man, and then just hops up Dave's. Hot work. OK, so let's run through these. You ready, Dave? You're in the hot, hot top Dave's hot work. Okay, so let's run through these. You ready Dave? You're sorry. Here we go. How many we got? How many we got? Uh, we got one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Here we go. Top five. Here we go. Woo! Woo! Woo! Let's in the velvet rope and if your name's on this list, welcome in. Grab yourself
Starting point is 01:47:21 a white Russian and, uh, yeah. This is the week in quite a while where Dave's booked a good band So enjoy the tune join fantastic Firstly from Straffin in Kildare Island it is Ronan O'Neal I'd kill to have this guy in Kildare alright. Yes I'd also love to welcome in from South Yara in Victoria, Australia. It's Sarah Young. Oh, the night is young because you are here tonight! Yes!
Starting point is 01:47:53 From a Bloomington, Indiana in America, it's Jacob, Alden Miller. Oh, Bloomington, hell! We've got a great guest list tonight! It's all Phil and no, Miller! All right, fantastic. From university place in Washington, the United States, it's Emily Nutsen. Oh, don't get... Oh, right.
Starting point is 01:48:19 Don't get your Nutsen's in a twist. Yeah, I'm gonna say don't get your Nutsen's in a twist, but I was like, is that weird? Don't get your Nutsen's in a twist. Because this night is gonna be great. Don't do it and finally from Phoenix Arizona in the United States. It's Victoria Kodak. Oh rising from the ashes like a Phoenix Victoria Kodak We did it. Oh welcome one at all into the club Victoria Emily Jacob Sarah and Ronan Well, that's all we need to do this week. Thanks so much for joining us Dave.
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