Two In The Think Tank - 275 - John Dillinger ; Public Enemy #1

Episode Date: January 27, 2021

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Thanks so much for joining us. Jess, you've just come from your other studio, the Triple J Studios. That's right. Where can you first shift? Yeah, yeah. Where your first shift is in the new gig? It was my first day, yes.

It was the first day of weekend albums, which is very exciting. And what was on this weekend? The hottest 100. So, cool, yeah, hosting the hottest 100. I did the hottest 200, but it's all part of the same weekend. 200 comes right after 100. That's right. Personally, I think it's the better 100 anyway.

Everyone says that. Yeah, because it's not the ones, you know, right at the pointy end. Yeah. They're always good songs, but the ones that are just a little less super popular are often the better end. Yeah. There are always good songs, but the ones that are just a little less super popular are often the better tracks. Yeah. But, um, you know, it's just a little more underground, you know. I like my hottest 100, a little more underground. A little less hot. But that's cool. Is

that we did an app, I did a report one of my first ever reports on this show. It was about the hottest 100. Yeah. And now you host the hottest 100, that was that was before I even worked there again. Yeah, so cool So cool. What a what a fun little full circle Yeah, if you're a new listener or you're not from Australia don't want to hop some hundred Just go back and listen to that episode was like probably episode 15 or something Yeah, very early five years back. Yeah, and I went through the history to that point. If I was doing it now, it would include a whole couple of hours about just Perkins and how she's really revamped the whole concept. Do you have me personally?

Yeah. I had a lot to do with it. So. I was listening today and I turned on just before you played a song when I voted for it. It was very... Oh my God. And you said that a lot of people going about time. Finally.

Glad I didn't text him because, so what I said, something very similar. Honestly, every time I played any song, you get a... It should have been higher. Finally. It should have been higher. Finally, it should have been higher.

Every song. I was like, yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah. That's how it works, I guess. That's a countdown. We're counting down the songs that you're all waiting for The best of the people who don't understand how voting works So getting angry that triple J have made mistakes when

It's literally just which songs get the most work where people demanding a recount. Yeah, all the time Re-count come on. Let's go again. That is funny. Yeah, it is funny I know those six that happen, there's too many Australian bands or there's not enough or there's too many of a certain kind of music. There's not enough rock and roll. It's not as good as it was in the 90s.

Yeah. Yeah, it's very funny. It's because most of the musicians were not alive in the 90s. They're like, where's Neil Diamond? Yeah, it's over, buddy. What a powder finger. Oh mate. Actually, there wasn't powder finger

song. It was a little bit, I believe. Anyway, so yes, I've been talking all day and and was very stressed because obviously with the counter like normally if you're like running out of time or you need to change songs around, you can just flick them around a little bit, play promos in different spots, whatever you need. Whereas this one, you had to play everything exactly as it's supposed to be planned, because if I played the wrong number or the wrong song, then I fucked it. That would have been quite funny. That would have been...

It would have been... Who would have known? He used to go, oh, the order changed. Yeah. The bosses would know. He was emailing the person who runs the website. The people who have worked so hard over many months, they would know. Right. But anyway, I didn't like any mistakes.

You said you sound so comfortable in there, Jess. Makes it, it's like I talk a lot. It's like you do it for a living. Yeah, it's crazy. You should get a job there. Do I? How do I do that? I don't know.

You should ask. Just ask my boss. Just ask my boss for a job. Yeah, shit no. Okay. Now you've been talking all day, Jess, and you're about to do a lot more talking, but we thought we'd give you a load off for a minute now. Yeah, sure. Okay. Now you've been talking all day just and you're about to do a lot more talking but we thought would give you a load off for a minute now. Yeah.

Because a couple of months ago I put the call out to listeners at home who are musically inclined. If they'd like to send in a little jingle that explains the show because we're so terrible at it. We're really bad at it. And we've had a few weeks off mainly because we've been we're bad at explaining the show We're also bad at queuing up the songs that explain the show. It's right We've had a bunch sent in and I believe we've got a new one We do this one is from Sean Muggen in Canada and hopefully this will explain how the show works What happened to me? What happened to me? What happened to me? What happened to you? Don't want what it is?

What happened to you? Stop it, we're at the post-traumatic. And we always play the same. But later, do the topic. We'll respect what am I dead? I'm sure. What happened to me? What happened to you?

What happened to me? That was crazy. So many two rooms. A lot of feature in that. Yeah, did that make the hottest 200? Yes. The hottest 300. Feet, feet, bob. It's 2.99.

I enjoyed that a lot. Especially the bit where he went, boop, boop, boop. Yeah. Where the monkey's screeching in the background. He sounded like it, yes. Love that nod to primates. Yeah. I enjoyed that a lot, especially the bit where he went buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh Thanks so much for that Sean, fantastic stuff. And I really love how you've interpreted 60s sitcom theme. But whoop, whoop, whoop. They are, they're slowly evolved. I think maybe one or two went right as you asked for. And everyone else has taken it for a bit of a walk. I love that.

Yeah, I love that. I love the artistic life. Yeah, dangled Dave. Pigeon Hollywood. Yeah, fuck Dave. Fuck Dave. Hey, I just said I like the boop a boop a boop. Fuck you Dave. But as Sean said, we always start with a question. And my question is, who is commonly referred to

as public enemy number one? Oh, Chuck D. Flavor Flav. It was like, who can name someone from the band first? No, I'm guessing that's not right. No, I said they know. Okay, probably can't name me number one. Oh, I guess John Dillinger.

Correct. No shit. Yeah. That just came into my head. Great work. And then I said. Is it because you looked at my screen earlier? No.

You fucking. Didn't look at your screen. You little spy. You spy dog. There's another you mentioned Dillon Drake escape plan, the metal band. Oh, yeah. Did I get a little mention later on? No, but it just got a mention then.

OK, sure. That's a Dillon Drake escape plan. I'm so glad no one will be shouting at their iPods. This is one that I've put up to the vote before. I actually went through and I've put up three topics, all of which I've put up before. It was like a second chance vote. I hadn't done one of those for a while. I like to do them because they're usually topics that sort of just missed out. So if you never put them up again then they'll never get done and they're still really great stories. And this one won with like 45% of the

vote. It was a landslide. Yeah it was huge. Out of what in a three-hose race? Yeah. 45 out of what? Oh my god Dave. 45. Wow 100%. This is great. This is because this is a big historical thing that I know the name of. Yeah. Apparently somewhere in my brain, I knew it was a public enemy number one. Yep.

And that's about it. Yeah. I'm picturing Tommy guns, but I don't know if that's the right era. Right, yeah. Hat. There's definitely hat involved. Suites pinstripe.

Pinstripe suit. Yeah, classic sort of gangster stuff. That's right. Yes, and it's right, yes. And it's a huge story. And there's a lot packed into a relatively short period of time. I've done my best to kind of, I don't know, give you the main important parts,

but there's heaps and heaps of information. And I'll tell you like there's like so many movies and TV shows and everything about. So you're telling me the band Dillon Jurescape Plan isn't one of the main parts of the story Yeah that is interesting you've failed to get onto that part but it does sound like what you've done here is you've taken a big story and you've summarized it to a level that will be appropriate for a company book. Exactly right. Yes thank you If somebody could incorporate that into the 60-star jingle, and they're not historians or, you know, academics. They're not qualified in any way. They're just three little fuck-eds who like to have some fun.

One day, Dave, you'll get your doctorate of podcasting. That's right. Honestly, Dave. Well, you know, I am a majored in criminalgy. Yes, so this is right up your alley. Sort of. not really, not really, but it's tangential to it. It's been suggested by a bunch of people. Aaron Wolf, Noah Over, Jacob, McKenna Middlebrook, Alicia Moore, Gunna Goodall, Nick Andrews, Perry Ritter,

and Tim Randall have all suggested this topic in Jack the Hat, McViddy. So thank you so much for suggesting it. Her usual, what a fantastic bunch of names. Incredible. Perry, Ritter and Tim Randall have all suggested this topic in Jack the Hat, McViddy. So thank you so much for suggesting it. I have a per usual, what a fantastic bunch of names. Incredible, so good. I really liked this kind of intro from FBI.gov. Oh wow.

During the 1930s suppression, many Americans nearly helpless against forces they didn't understand made heroes of outlaws who took what they wanted at gunpoint. Of all the lurid desparados, one man, John Herbert Dillinger, came to evoke this gangster era and stirred mass emotion to agree to a degree really seen in this country. Herbert, fantastic. Incredible little name. He tries to bury that for the image, doesn't he? Yeah, nobody knows that. So shut up and be likeable. You know, herb it's always cool, likeable people. Herb. Herb.

Herb when they're a baby. Yeah. You know, you want a name that can evolve with you. Yeah. So herb is a baby, then herb it as a child into man and then. Herb. Herb. Herb as an early, early 20s.

Herb. Herb. And then Anki Herb. Anie has an early 20s. Bertie. And then Anki Herb. Anki Herb. Anki Herb. HB, the pencil, lead face, lead head. Yep. It's a bunch of, as you can work through. You know, yeah, take your pick.

Yeah. Um. Grab points to grandpa's lead head. Lead head. Yeah. Can I go see lead head? Stay away from him. Ha ha ha. Well Well John Dillinger was born on the 22nd of June 1903 in the Oak Hill section of Indianapolis, a middle class residential neighborhood. His

father, also John, was a grocer and apparently quite a harsh man who was very firm in his discipline of his children. Dillinger had a sister Audrey who was about 14 years older than him, and she essentially took over a parenting role when their mother Mary Ellen passed away when John was almost four years old. Audrey cared for a younger brother while having a family of her own with her husband Emmett in total having seven children. Eventually John went back to living with his father when he was remarried to Elizabeth Fields and they had three children in their marriage as well so he sort of kind of raised a little bit with his sister and brother-in-law and then back with his dad stepmom and

He sounds like quite a few kids quick question. Do they know what's causing it? Dave No comment. I'm doing a little signal here with my fingers one forming a little hole and that one a pointer and I'm putting it in and out of each other. Looks like a magic trick gone wrong. Yeah. You're supposed to do it so it looks like your thumb's been cut off. No, this is very different. Oh, no, I don't follow. Well, picture this ring here, that's a hand mort. This little pointer here, finger dick. You with me?

No. So sorry. I agree to disagree. It would sound a little something like this. Don't do the sound. He did that was not me. That was not me. Oh, okay, what's not me. That was not me. Oh, okay, Dave.

That was not me. Man of a thousand noises, number nine, six nine, squelch. As a teen, John was frequently in trouble with the law for various things. Fighting and theft came up a lot. He was described as having a bewildering personality, which is, I mean, one of the best descriptions I've ever heard. What do you think that means? Exactly.

Does that mean it's a bit weird or is it very interesting or is terrifying? Yeah, what does that mean? The bewildering. All of the above. Would you describe May as bewildering? Yeah. I think I often feel bewildered by you. Thank you.

In a good way. Hi. Is bewildering good? Sure. Sure, if you wanted to be. I don't know if I understand what that word means Sure. Try if you want it to be. I don't know if I understand what that word means, now that I'm thinking about it too much. Yeah.

Great to disagree. He was often also in trouble at school for bullying. So finally, he quit school, got a job in a machine shop in Indianapolis. Making machines? Yeah. Yeah, selling machines, making machines. Right, wow.

He did it all. Although intelligent and a good worker, he soon became bored and often stayed out all night. His father thought, it must be the city that's making him act up. We'll move and he'll be a good boy. Yeah, Indianapolis has been known to turn good boys bad.

That's right. Well, that's why they moved to Moorsville, Indiana, 1921, obviously, notoriously, the maker of Good Boys. Yes. Moorsville. And John Jr. would have been around 17 or 18 at this point when his family moved. But finally enough, moving to a farm in a rural area didn't exactly sort young John out. And in no time, he was up to his usual criminal ways. In fact the following year in 1922 he was arrested for auto theft and his relationship with his father was pretty badly damaged as a result. It's almost like it's just who he was. Nothing can be done.

But we'll do it. Ha, well I've tried one thing. So well we moved nearby. Yeah, we moved not that far and I'm still a bit of a prick. I know, I've continued to be a real bad dad, but I'm still very, very harsh. Did do the move. Though, and dad's defense, like he's going out all night in the city. We're going to go out all night in the farm.

He's just on the tractor all night long. Great. He's playing on the field. Going on a joy ride whilst bringing in the hay. Yeah, it's actually kind of helping out. Thanks, John Jew. He's really learning the ropes so he can take over the farm one day. That's the dream.

But he doesn't know it. He doesn't know it. He thinks he's fired at the system, but he's really upholding it. Well, in 1923, he enlisted in the US Navy, but he was a petty officer, third class, Machinery Repairman. Remember, he's worked in a machine shop.

He's like, I'd built this thing. Yeah, I know how to repair it. And he was assigned on board the battleship USS Utah. Give me two. And maybe this could be a turning point for John Dillon Joe. I think so. You know, a bit of structure. Not knowing the story, maybe the trouble he's been up to already

is what he's infamous for. You've just skimmed over it Yeah, and he becomes a priest. He's now. He was the first person to ever steal a car So yeah, public enemy number one. Yeah, that's why he's so noteworthy and then he just went on to do a lot of philanthropy Wow Nope, he deserted the ship when it docked in Boston and was dishonorably discharged a few months later So he returned to Moor'sville where he met 16-year-old barrel-ethyl-hovius. Oh, hovius, hovius.

Barrel-ethyl. Barrel-ethyl. Amazing. It doesn't roll off the tunnel well. Barrel-ethyl. It sounds like it should be on the periodic table. Barrel-ethyl. Hyderdon helium.

Barrel-ethyl. Barrel-ethyl. Barrel-ethyl. So the two were married the following year in 1924, and John and Barrel moved to Indianapolis and tried to settle down to a normal married life. But John struggled to hold down a job and be a good husband.

Along with his friends, town pull shark and X-con in. I thought that was going to be his name. Town pull shark. I remember what a great title. Oh, town. Every town's got one. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Town Pulsha. Unfortunately, his name is Ed Sigulton. Isn't that what a funny, like, the whole thing about being a Pulsha, is that people don't know. All right, so you hang around and, you know, better money. You have to police people off their money if everyone knows.

No, there's a Pulsha money if everyone knows there's a pool shark Don't you why don't take him on a pool and then you go I will because I reckon I've got him this time Last time I've picked up a thing I've been practicing I've never played pool before but I reckon I'll give to it I beat him in this first game. I didn't seem that good. I'm gonna triple my bet Got him right where I want him. So yeah, the town pool shark, Ed Singleton and John Dillinger started to plan a robbery. I also read, this is a little fun fact, that Singleton was the umpire for the semi pro baseball team, the AC athletics, that's the name of the team. Right. What's the, what's AC? That's a great

question. Don't know. Something county probably probably but John Dillinger played For that team as a shortstop I was like what a weird he seems to hate any kind of establishment and not really get involved in anything But he's like well I'll play baseball. I'll take a good. Yeah. I love my team. I love the rules Respect. I love the rules of the game. Hmm three tracks you're throughout, I get it. I love stopping the ball. Which I think is what that's the most important thing to do. At the short, at the short point.

So their big robbery plan was to rob a grocery store. Well, he knows grocery stores. Exactly, he's father's a grocery store. He knows the ins and outs of the grocery store. I bet he didn't rob his's store. Or maybe this is the come-up and says dad needs to break down the barriers and the two start a... A dialogue. I'm like pulling a gun on your bed. Yeah. To really get the emotion flowing. Yeah. Gets the blood pumping. That's being vulnerable. Dad, give me all your money. Give me your money.

And then give me your thoughts and feelings. Yeah, give me your emotions. And then give me all your money give me your money and then give me your thoughts and feelings yeah give me your emotions and then give me your appreciation yeah tell me you love me validation if I can be completely honest dad just a little bit of validation so I need I just needed to know that you're proud of me and you know you assume I know that but you don't express it so how how can I know I'll also take all the tobacco. Yes, if you're from this bag, please. Yeah, and quickly, please. Thank you. I'm here to sirens.

You don't want your son going on a jail, do you? So they did. They enacted their plan to rob the grocery store and they walked away with a whole $50 cash. Yeah. Wow, okay. This is in the like 1920s, so I guess that's, you know, nothing to sneeze at, but it's not a huge amount of money. Sure, okay. This is in the like 1920s, so I guess that's, you know, nothing to snause that, but it's not a huge amount of money.

Sure, sure. But while they were fleeing the scene, they were spotted and recognized, and they were reported to police. Hey, aren't you John Dillinger? No. No, shut up. Oh, God. This is before Bella Klavers.

No, that's my brother. Oh, Jim. Oh, Jim. Bob Chilch. So they were both the rest of the next day and Singleton pleaded not guilty, while Dillinger was convinced to plead guilty. His father had a chat to someone who was like telling to plead guilty anyway. He's dead spoke to the prosecution. On that fairly poor advice

Well, okay, so during the robbery Dillinger had struck a victim over the head with a machine bolt wrapped in a cloth And he's gone a gone off, but no one was hit so he hit someone over the head and The gun went off okay, that doesn't sound good because of this He was convicted of assault and battery and conspiracy to commit a felony and he was sentenced to 10 to 20 years Oh, yeah, which was a pretty it was a very harsh sentence Especially back then because they lived till our 15 or so That's a life sentence plus five. Yeah Like if he was just born. Yeah. Yeah, I think he was yeah, I believe he is a baby But it's trying to band it

I believe he is a baby. But it's trying to... But baby banned it. She's famous for it. Striking though with a bowl, that's not good. No, I reckon that would be an houry. Yeah, depends on the bowl. If you're thinking like one that maybe you have in, say, putting your IKEA bed together.

Yeah, and then wrapped it in a really... wrapped in a really nice soft cloth. Yeah, you go, hey, what are you doing? Why'd you stop? Why'd you do that? Why'd you wipe a cloth on me? When his gun goes up, it's shit, sorry, it's my first time. I know.

Sorry. We're all a bit frazzled. Yeah, and then the shopman is like, all right, let me talk you through it. You should probably tell everyone to get on the floor. Yeah. Act tough. Yeah, maybe one of you should stand by the door,

you know, not make sure nobody gets out. Yeah, yeah, I'll take this cash. You want this money. Yeah, yeah, yeah'll take this cash, you want this money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Open this up. Give me that bag you've got, I'll put some cash in there. You're doing great, you're doing great.

Hey, no, no, hey, you're gonna start somewhere. You know, you're gonna start somewhere. Hey, I'm like stoked that you chose my shop to start it. Yeah, thank you so much for, you know, because that means you thought, I probably make a lot of money. Yes. And that means a lot to me that, you know,

the advertising I've been paying for, the letter box drops I've been doing, they're working. I'm really struggling. I can't wait to go home and tell my wife. Hey, can you believe a man robbed me today? Me! Me! It's just the boost I need. You keep telling me I was a loser and I was no one. Well, guess what, baby? I just lost $50. Now, where's my dinner? I'm a hungry boy.

So yeah, he was sentenced to 10 to 20 years and he was an inmate at both the Indiana reformatory and Indiana State Prison between 1924 and 1933. Oh, so you went for nine. Yeah. And what about his mate? Did he go to jail? Uh, yes, but I think he ended up serving him a much shorter time. Damn.

So some people are sent to prison and learn the error of their ways and are truly reformed. But stunned by the harsh sentence, Dylan Jury's quoted as saying, I will be the meanest bastard you ever saw when I get out of here. You said that to the judge on the way out. It like it really cemented like his fuck you, kind of. Oh, okay.

Yeah. So during his time in prison, he befriended season bank robbers, Harry Pete Peapont. I don't know why, your name's Harry. I don't know why they call him you Pete, but Charles, Maccly, Russell Clark, and home of Ann Mita, who taught Dillinger how to be a successful criminal. Home of Ann Mita.

That's a great name. Hard to find the right hour that name. Here comes up again later, home of Ann Mita. We're now, this is getting into a lot of stuff that went through my degree, criminology stuff about prisons not necessarily being the reforming institutions that some people hope they can be. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily feel like a great idea to put a bunch of criminals together. It feels like that he's rather than sitting there and thinking about what he's done,

he's thinking about what they've done to him. Yeah. I'm going to get that when it gets out. Yeah. But I mean, it was a harsh sentence but it doesn't really feel like if he'd been given community service or anything or a year, it feels like he'd have the same sort of fuck you reaction, you know? Yeah, there's a chip on his shoulder. Yeah.

Yeah, it can, maybe if they just, maybe if you just got the right person taking him under his wing. To be vulnerable. Yeah, maybe if the prison librarian said, hey, put a book that's right up your alley. Yeah, to kill a mockingbird. Yeah. Very good.

I mean, it's on the download. I think it's quite been written there. I've drafted it. It's a manuscript. Don't show anyone. Please. Please, it's my life's work. And then it turns out John Jellic Dillinger doesn't know how to read, so that he teaches him to read,

and it's his beautiful moment, and he learns to really grow through reading. Oh, that does sound beautiful. That's not what happened. Oh! And I'm sorry. Just pointing. So he's met all these seasoned bank robbers, and so they spend their time in prison planning bank robberies

that will commit once they're released. So he's really committed to his chosen life of crime, too. Apparently, while he was in prison, he studied the robberies of Herman Lamb, a former Prussian army soldier, who believed a heist required all the planning of a military operation. Right. And he's presumably written books about bank robbery. And then in the prison library, they, for some reason, keep these books. Again, not the best prisons. How to kill a prison guard, 101. What you want to do is you want to find the prison guard named Garry.

And Garry's like, oh shit. Come on. So you really have to appreciate the level of commitment to crime. Really? He's really like, you know what? He's nuckling down. Yeah, this is me. Yeah. Do you got a degree in criminology? He's got a degree to crime. Really? He's really like, you know what? He's nuckling down. Yeah, this is me.

Yeah. Do you got a degree in criminology? He's got a degree in crime. Yeah. He's, yeah, obviously, at a young age, and a lot of people don't have this. People have bounced around, don't really know what they're calling. And that's okay. But he found that quicker than most of them.

Yeah, that's really lucky. He's been working out since he was quite young. You know, my dad says, I still don't know what I want to do. You know, and it's like that, you're tired. Dad. It's really lucky. He's been working out since he was quite young. You know my dad says I still don't know what I want to do You know, and it's like dad you retired dad. It's too late robber bank Dad If you're listening robber fricking bank already. Yeah, I really hope retiring is what he wants to do because Nailing it. Yeah, he should lean in. Yeah, this is what I wanted all along. Oh man, I wanna retire. I don't know who would retire. Fuck yeah, retire would be so good.

Oh man, since that you're a retirement prodigy, yeah, I'm ready to go. You love golf. Really good. Golf, caravan parks. Oh man, you could just potter. I reckon you'd potter well. I'd put potter.

Yes, just fix shit around the house every now and then. Yeah, and then if it doesn't need fixing, just break it and fix it again. Oh, fantastic. That sounds great. Yeah, you just invite around clumsy people. shoot around the house every now and then yeah and then if it doesn't need fixing just break it and fix it again Oh That sounds great. Yeah, you just invite around clumsy people Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm so sorry to go hey disappointed but Leave leave now

You've sort of you've done what you were Came in to do and they get to work. I'm gonna get my little glue set. I've got a cup to fix. Put on one of the belts with lots of different pockets and they're all different kinds of glue. Come in the glue mat. Essentially your potteries is gluing. Yeah, gluing pottery.

But I've got a potterer. I'm a pottery gluer. Okay, what are we doing here? I don't know. What is happening? I don't know when I'm a puttery gluer. Okay, what are we, what are we doing here? What's happening? I don't know and I'm sorry. He's Robin, he's learning to rob. Yes, that's right. And after serving nine years in prison, he was paroled in May of 1933.

Now by this time, the Great Depression had been in full swing for about four years and it was showing no sign of letting up. So once again, Dylan just struggled to find gainful employment and once again turned straight back to crime. What also sounds like he wasn't trying to. No. Yeah no real hopes to. I would have loved his parole hearing was do you feel reformed?

No. No. Do you have any plans? Yes. Oh what are they? I'm going to rob a bank tomorrow. Parole. I like him.

I'm freaking do. He's got spirit. I like his mocks. Hey, take a lot of guts, to be honest here. Honestly, he's really appreciated here. I get a lot of lies, so thank you, you're on site. I love those movies. I reckon they don't do it so much anymore, but old movies that often be an old guy, and you do, everyone's thinking watching watching it they build it up to make you think that the boss is like about to fire them but instead it goes like your mocks. You can take the corner office. I reckon that's what would happen with this guy. Dillinger. Do you think we can make like an old sitcom? Yeah. Dillinger sitcom. Oh that's good I think we're having million dollar ideas right now. Sorry and the name of it is the Dillinger sitcom.

Million dollar idea. It's called a million dollar idea. Yeah, is it a game show? What is this? This is a genre, Chris Crosser, which is a new term for Cross genre. And yeah. A genre, Chris Crosser.

And basically, it's the sitcom starring John Dillinger, but it's and basically sources sitcom starring John Dillon Joe But it's also a game show starring John Dillon. Yes, and he is he wants to steal a million dollars And he wants to give away a million oh Real Robin Hood kind of when someone wins the million then by the end of the episode he's got to steal it Actually, this is starting to sound like good idea. Do you think Andrew O'Keefe could host it? Yes, as John Dillon. John Dillon, John. Well, because I mean, I haven't read to the end of the story

that Jess is telling us, I haven't read to the start of it. But I have a funny feeling he's still not still alive, but we'll wait, we'll wait and see. Because if he's still alive, he obviously gets first right over a few times. Yeah, really in the 30s, people could still be alive, they're right? Yeah.

Well, it was he born in 1993, he would just have to people could still be alive, they're right? Yeah. What was he born in in a three-year-old? Just have to be the oldest man alive, which there is still a chance. Yeah. No, I guess possible. Feels like I'd know that, but the old man alive is also public enemy number one. It's crazy.

Turns out that that's the secret. You guys not spoil the endings of my reports all the time. I really still think you're just keeping the surprise of John Dillard La Jure escape plan and maybe a bit of their discography finish. Yeah, yeah, obviously that's the big finish. So shut up, I'll edit that out, the spoiler, and then I'll do it at the end. Thank you.

My friend Tom Mitchell, who I'm just listening from Weed Hornet fame, he's toured with the De La Jure escape plan. Whoa. That's crazy. So. As Weed Hornet fame. He's toured with the Dylinder Escape plan. Whoa. That's crazy. So. As Wheat Hornet? Uh, not a- Yeah, I've also toured with the Dylinder Escape plan.

I said that in a weird way, because I was also on that tour. I've just wanna say there's only three, you know, steps of separation between me and any Dylinder related thing. That's great. That's fascinating. Well Dave, you mentioned like that That's great. That's fascinating. Wow.

Well Dave, you mentioned like that he's going to rob a bank tomorrow. He actually waited about a month. Oh, okay. Well, it's got a plan like a military operation. That's right. So on June 21st, 1933, the event he'd been studying and preparing for for nine years was finally ready to happen. He's first bank robbery.

You never forget your first bank robbery. I haven't. The target was the new carl national bank in Ohio, where he walked away with a better haul than his first robbery attempt where a $50 theft landed him in prison for nine years. This time, he walked away with $10,000.

Whoa. He's gonna jail for several hundred years off the back of this. Like, that's a lot of money now. I'd love 10 grand. So his first robbery was in Indiana, the great state, God's country, then he upgraded once more. The only state better than Indiana.

Oh, higher. Well, I mean, if this story finishes in Vermont, we'll have done the trip ditch. Via Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He's traveling down the Golden Mile. He's having a great time. Wow, is that why it's called the Golden Mile? Yes, because of John Dillinger. We're learning a lot today. I know. Couple months later in August, he also hit a bank in Bluff to know Ohio. This time though, he was tracked down by police quite quickly and he was charged with both

robberies. When the police searched him, they found a piece of paper which appeared to be a prison escape plan. They interrogated Dillinger but he refused to say what it was so they just let it go. Yeah, did it have a heading prison escape plan? They're like, hmm, seems to be. It's not really no way he would need this. He's not in a prison. We'll let it go this time. But it would soon be revealed, because as it turns out, when he was in prison the first time, he'd helped plan an escape of eight men by getting friends to smuggle in guns, which they used to escape a few days after Dylan's release. So once they'd all successfully escaped, they rendezvoused and formed the Dillinger gang.

Oh, and I can only assume that that was a Dillinger escape plan. Yes, that's right. That was the titular escape plan. Can I only assume? Well, and I mean, he's held onto this escape plan for over a month, and it's still on his person. What a weird thing to do. Well, when you're proud of something, I don't have to put my pockets that off an either,

I guess. I've got receipts in this handbag that are from, shit, I don't care about. Yeah, different hosts from last century. Exactly. So now he's got the crew now. Yeah, he's got a gang. So anyway, he's arrested for these two bank robberies.

And he was taken to Alan County jail in Lima and members of the Dillinger gang impersonated Indiana State police officers and claimed they were there to extradite Dillinger to Indiana. I hope they impersonated them not by wearing their clothes but by doing their voices. Oh, it's me, Darren! Oh, I'm one of them Indiana cops. They're all in strife, like they're in the prison average. They're in stripes, like they're in the prison app. It's not prisoners, but they're in prisoner outfits going,

it's me! But they, it's not like that. They walk into the room and they go, if I was an Indiana police officer, I think it would go a little something like this. All right guys, I need a situation and I need a job. I need a job and a location. Prison, Indiana, I got, oh I've got this one. Oh my god, it's purple. It's not easy. Thank you. and I need a job at a location. Prison Indiana Guard.

Oh, I've got this one. Oh my god, it's purple. It's pretty easy. Thank you. And they're just mesmerized. Everyone is absolutely fooled. And Dylan just sort of sneaks out the back. Yeah.

While the impersonators are getting a round of applause. Yeah, wow. Say the ovation. Bill Clinton with a saxophone. And you as you. Wait. That's an impression. All right. I think if Bill Clinton had a saxophone it would go a little something like this. No. I did not have sex relations. Is that him? he said it.

That's how he said it. That's the state he's from, accent. There's a big debate going on in Myanmar, John Duelund, it just sneaks out the back. He said, relations, we know, that's how people go into the state. No, that was a good impression. That's actually very accurate impression. So when Sheriff Jess Sabah questioned them in, they shot him dead and released Dillinger from his cell.

So they shot the sheriff. I didn't mean that. Well, so many things are named after this. Yeah. And the deputy, any word on him? I did, did not kill the deputy. They on him. I did not They escaped back to Indiana where that joined the rest of their gang. Well, that's confusing now There's two escape plans. No, it's all over the place Which one is it we could form a new band?

Dylan to escape plan in brackets of the second month So the gang consisted of Pete P. Mott Russell Clark Charles Macle Or there all ones that he'd met in prison earlier, but also Ed Shouse, Harry Copeland and John Red Hamilton, a member of the Hermann Lamb gang, the bank robber who Dillinger had studied while he was locked up the first time. Oh, I want to hear what that is. He was on the inside. He was on the inside.

He was on the inside. He was on the inside. He was on the inside. Big fan. Big fan of your work. Big fan of your work. Please, do let me step on your toes. So for the next year, the gang employed military inspired tactics to undertake a massive string of robberies.

Tactics included the use of roles during a robbery. So like a look out, get away driver, lobby man, vault man. I thought you meant like a lunch break. I'm packing roles. What do you want? Hammond cheese? Yeah. Or cellophony. Okay. Tugan salad for me. Okay. Two good and salad for me, thanks. No cheese.

Unlike toast and toast. So what were the rolls? They're Vault Man. Sounds fun. Vault Man. The one who goes to the Vault Day. Yeah, I think. It's a bank robbery. Okay. That's an important roll. Yeah, not the Paul Vault Man, different roll. Yeah. If you go in and the old man sick that day,

your whole house is fucked. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, basically he was walking around in office and pointing at gunner people. I don't know how to get in the vault. They also had modern weapons like the Thompson Submachine gun. Ooh, it goes underwater. And also had bull proof vests,

which I work at like very modern for the time. To stock up on what they needed, they plundered the police arsenals at Orban, Indiana and Peru or in Indiana. Stealing several machine guns, rifles and revolvers, a huge amount of ammunition and several Bort Proof Vests. So they're just stole from the police. Well. No, Dave, I think they did that on purpose.

Oh no, we've just made a very powerful enemy. Oh no, not the police. There's a piece of them. Anyone but the police. Our gang is big, but there's even bigger. Oh my god. They're in every state. We're on the end too.

Between June of 1933 and January of 1934, they robbed nine banks across Indiana, Ohio, and Wisconsin, walking away with over $180,000. It doesn't end up to tend, surely. Not only them living away from their month. I'm so sorry, Dave. Thank you for focusing on what's important. We really wanted to descend with a creamy heart.

Give me all your creamies. Let me get there. They're just so creamy. It's a matter of my screamies. What is your like about your creamies. Let me get there. They're just so creamy. It's a much more than ice cream. What is your like about the creamies? Well, they're just so creamy. Creamy. That's the ad.

Same for me. On January 25th, 1934, Dylanger and his gang were staying in a hotel in Tucson when a fire broke out in the hotel. They were rescued through a window and two of the gang tipped several firefighters $12 each to go back into the hotel to retrieve their luggage. Presumably there was a lot of cash in the luggage, but also you're tipping firefighters to go back into fire. Hey, base off something like $12 to go back into a burning building. No, like you're getting out of 10 and then two ones. Let me sweeten the deal a bit. That's actually people don't know this, but that's how firefighters

make a lot of their wages. Yeah, the hospitality environment over there isn't great. Yeah, I could rescue you off. It's going to cost you. Yeah. So they're good firefighters, the ones are really charming. Yeah, yeah. And who like fight the fire without a shirt. Yeah. You know, safety, schmafety, if I'm gonna make 50 bucks in tips tonight. Dollar bills down the hip, fire man's, G-Banger. G-Banger.

Fortunately, they're not allowed to wear safety gear because they've got to try and be sexy, yeah. Exactly. One of the firefighters though, got a good look at them. And later, while looking through True Detective magazine, recognized a few of the firefighters, so got a good look at them. And later, while looking through true detective magazine, recognized a few of the gang members and reported them to police. Oh, that is unlucky. That is unlucky. Police Traxxas. The magazine didn't burn in the fire. Yeah, but they're looking at mugshot monthly. All right, just a little bit of light reading. Just gonna flick through these faces. I'm a dentist, so what else would I do?

That was a real boon for my career when I got a feature in, a month shot monthly, but it's really good. Tend that, it got me bloody. Absolutely, backfired. So police tracked them on one by one, captured the members of the gang. Peerpont and Macle received the death penalty.

Oh, Kate. That's one of the worst ones. He is. While Clark received a life sentence, on September 22nd, Macle was shot dead by guards when he and Pierpont attempted to escape with fake pistols that were carved from bars of soap and painted black with shoe polish. Pierpont was wounded and executed on October 17th. If it was your first time to a court case and you didn't know much about it, the first your mate goes up first, gets the death penalty, you're up next and they give you life.

Wouldn't you be like, oh great. That means life, whole life. This is the, so much. This is the, oh, the side just get to live. Fantastic. Because death obviously is bad. Life is great. And you go to walk out of the court, it would be, it would be, it would be pretty embarrassing.

So, wait a start your imprisonment. Don't you think? You turn the wall, hang on, way putting the coffees on me now. Yes, I thought you just gave me life. Thank you. Thank you so much. I will, I will live it to the fullest. Thank you so much. I will go rob some more banks, I guess. Yeah, let me bid you a due. I will go rob some more banks. I guess let me bid you a Jew I

Won't need these cuffs you know, but I'm gonna I sentence you to life. Yes, let me finish imprisonment Come on Objection objective you're building me up to Tammy town. What is this tuckers daughter by Ian Moss? What the fuck? Well, back then, I don't want an item next to the nation. Back then, that reference wouldn't have gone very well because the song wasn't released into the 80s.

Luckily, now you're killing. No, it's not. Now it's run that sweet spot. Everyone listening just stopped and applauded. So, really? Yes. Well, a small amount of people did. Probably Mossy's band.

Can you explain that to me later? I can try. Can you not explain that to me later? Yes, I mean, it's just the chorus of that song. I've just been sentenced to life and I want to live it. You build me up just to tear me down. Oh, OK. Yeah, that was worth it.

So Dillinger was taken to the Lake County Jail in Crown Point, Indiana, and was to face charges for the murder of a policeman during their latest robbery 10 days earlier. The local police bragged to newspapers that their jail was a scape-proof. Oh no. And that they had extra guards keeping an eye on Dillinger. But let's remember that Titanic was the unsinkable ship. Oh, okay. I'm gonna include it. I was gonna sink the prison. Because on the morning,

I've sat at a March 3rd, 1934, Dillinger produced a pistol during morning exercise, catching the guards by surprise, and managed to escape without firing a shot. Oh, well, that was like warped out. It was like warped out. It was like warped out, wasn't it? Wait, you shouldn't have that?

Wait, what's that? This is exercise, you just have a tennis racket. That's not good on the court. Oh, look how stick. And then they look down at their gun also, there's a tennis racket in there. Oh shit, damn it. He's good. Turns out he's good at slide of hand.

I bet I was magic. Bye, bye, bye. There was speculation as to whether the gun was real. FBI files indicate it was a carved fake gun. Who are these cops? A fellow inmate claimed that he'd seen Dillinger Carvert with a razor and some shelving for himself. But others claimed it was a real gun

that it means smuggled in by one of his attorneys. Who's being convinced by a... A bar of soap. A wooden or a bar of soap. Yeah, no. Because the other guys had bars of soap that they painted black with shoe polish. That's not convincing. Why does your guns smell like lavender and why is it crumbling?

And what does phillabii have a bazooka on his shoulder? Made of toilet rolls. They just take to get it. They say, phew, phew poo, poo, poo, poo. Don't make me fire this thing. Because I can't. Within hours of his escape, Dillinger went to meet up with his girlfriend,

Evelyn Billy Frasche. Oh, what happened to... That did not last. The worst name I've ever heard. Barrel, methyl, ethyl, or something. Barrel ethyl, barrel ethyl. So the new girlfriend. Barrel, metal, metal, or something. Oh, metal. Barrel, metal, metal. So it's the New Yorker.

Barrel, metal, lean. He's upgraded to. Billy. Okay. Billy, Frasier. Frasier. Oh, Frasier. Everyone's got three names in this story.

No, it's very confusing. None of them make sense. It's because I normally do this for when crime stories are only. In real life. Just in case anyone's like, hang on. I know a barrel ethyl. Oh, barrel ethyl, methylene. Yeah, that's a different one.

So I think, isn't that why they do murderers and stuff over the America all non-lapsed three names? So it also doesn't ruin the name forever. You're like, oh, Mark Chapman, not that one. Mark Gary Chapman. Yes. Mark Gary Chapman. Yeah, for example. With Mark Gary Chapman. Mark David Chapman.

Right. The John Lennon. Yes. He really ruined that name. He really ruined Mark David Chapman. I worked whenever I hear it, I think. Oh, that's the guy who did he, what did he do? JFK.

I get my sassons mixed up. So the couple traveled to the Twin Cities and stayed in an apartment in Minneapolis for just over two weeks, presumably lying low. During this time he met up with John Red Hamilton, the one who had been in the Hermann Lamm gang. And they formed a new gang, seeing as a bunch of their guys had just been caught and sentenced to death. I mean that really does put a dam on the gang. There's a little bit.

Yeah, but job vacancies, hey, and this economy. No, and they kind of merged gangs. They knew gang consisted of themselves and Babyface Nelson's gang, another very famous bank robber of the time, and even included Babyface Nelson, home of Ann Meter, Tommy Carroll and Eddie Green. This is a form to supergroup. Yeah, no.

But in all the hoods. They did not waste any time. Three days after Dylan's escape from Crown Point, the second gang robbed a bank in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. A week later, they robbed first-national bank in Mason City, Iowa. Now, there's a Wikipedia page that breaks down all of the activities of the Dylan's gang. But if I went into all of them into detail, we'd be here for hours. They're going all over the activities of the Dillinger Gang. But if I went into all of them into detail,

we'd be here for hours. They're going all over the map. Yeah. They're traveling around a lot, and yeah, there's a lot of details in the breakdowns of each robbery. It's linked in the episode description here. If you want to read more about it, but there's something that I think we should mention. This is a quote from the writeup about the robbery in Mason City. So it says, meanwhile, crowds began to form outside after word had spread that a robbery was in progress at the bank.

Whoa. Imagine crowding around to see a bank robbery. This is exactly what you talk about all the time. People will turn up for anything. But this is dangerous. Why would you turn up and watch some people rob a bank? Hey, ma, the banks are robbing. Grab the jeal and...

No! If a crowd can form, surely the police can also form. Well. The cops are always the last ones to find out. What? God save. James, everyone else heard it on the grapevine and everyone's calling around.

No one's calling the cops. Yeah, don't, hey, back rob calling around, no one's calling the cops. Yeah, don't, hey, uh, back rubby pass on, don't tell the cops. Well, James Buchanan was an off-duty officer who had grabbed a sort of shotgun when he heard about the robbery and hid behind the grand army of the Republic monument, unable to fire because of the crowd of people. He instead exchanged barbs with Dillinger. Oh, did a barb exchange. Of the robbers, Dillinger was the one, was the only one for whom a clothing

description could be provided. Light grey suit, dark overcoat and a dark hat. You can and called back for him to get away from the crowd and he would fight it out with him. He's like, hey, move away from the crowd so I can get a clear shot of you. fired it out with him. It's like, hey, move away from the crowd so I can get a clear shot of you. What are you, or you were coward? Dillinger, can you take a few steps to the right so I can shoot you, please? Hey, do you want to go, let's go, you and me, we'll just stand into the back of this police car and then I'll fire you.

Are you a real man? These are the barbs he was offering? Yeah. You can't even say that Dillinger's upper lip turned into a snarl as he talked. Dillinger armed with a Thompson drew a 38 from an inside pocket and fired up a bit missed. So that's the little ride up there about it. But I just found that so interesting that like, crowds are forming.

Are they like cheering and wooing? I don't know. Or they just kind of look at it. It's baffling. Because it is, it's like we said, a super group. There are three different famous gangs. How often do you get to see Dillinger in South Dakota, you know?

Yeah, he doesn't come, he doesn't tell a three or two often. Baby plays it out in the back signing autographs. I know what they just do, the major cities around the coast. But yeah, they're so weird. Yeah, Rachel, they don't have to. They don't have to go to Grant. Good on them. Good on them.

And you know, thanks for coming to town. A few days after this robbery in March 20th, 1934, Dillinger and his girlfriend, Billy, moved it into apartment 303 of the Lincoln Court apartments in St Paul, Minnesota, using the A-list as Mr and Mrs. Carl T. Helman. Carl. The landlord was a woman named Daisy Covey, and she would spend her evenings furnishing apartment 310, which was directly across the courtyard from 303, which meant she could observe Dylan Drew and Billy, so she must have known who they were. Or at least the species, or she was a pervert. Oh yeah, taken in the mail.

Oh yeah. Oh, cook and dinner, oh yeah. Oh, yeah, taking in the mail. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, cook and dinner, oh, yeah. Oh, what's on the boil? Yeah. Potatoes. Oh, I can smell it from here. I love potatoes. Hey, can I have some? Can I have some spuds?

You can smell boiled potatoes from here. She's a pervert. She's a pervert. They've got a heart. You said this is a smell. They're a pervert. They're set off by anything. Those pervs. This is you. You're just pretending you don't know that. She's a perv met that's got a heart and sense. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you, buddy. I can't. Yeah, I'm not picked up on it.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm gonna shit myself all night. Just to test this poop. Just smoking me out. No, that's why you've been shitting yourself all night. Yeah, because the moment Matt goes, can you smell something? Got him!

That's what the perv! Your buddy perv.'re bloody perv. Butterway perv. But Dave, I haven't. Which proves I'm not a perv. You're too good for me. I meant you're just sitting there in your own shoes. That's true.

That's right. Turns out we're all within. And Dave, I mean, talk about a plan backfiring. Poorful stuff. Backfiring is what he calls it. Yeah, backfire a few times tonight. We have fun. So Daisy Coffee, the purve is watching them through the through the I imagine through the blinds is pulling them down one by one.

Pretending she's cleaning. Yeah, she's cleaning like the front windows here for six hours at the time. Yeah, and they moved in on like the 20th on the 30th of March. she went to the FBI's St. Paul office. I've just, for some reason, find it funny, you can just go to the FBI office, but I suppose you can. Anyway, so you've just gone to file a report telling them where the couple was living and about their new card, you know, just giving them, giving them a bit of detail.

Yeah, and he wears boxes, not briefs. Yeah. So I don't know if that's important. I'm not riding that down. Miss Coffee, I'm sorry, I'm pleased to leave. And put on some pants. You pears. You pears.

You smell like shit, you pears. You smell like shit and potato. Pair. Pair. Pair. The FBI is calling you. But also, thanks for the poor yet public enemy number one. Pair. The FBI is cool for you. But also, thanks for supporting that public item number one.

Perth. They would know if anyone. Oh, exactly. They'd probably have files in that paper, because they're the big pairs of all of you. It's so funny. It's such really funny. Anyway, as a result of coffee's tip, the building was placed under surveillance by two agents. I didn't see it.

Take it a sip of wine if it's spinning around. I just want to say two perv. Man, seems so uninterested in this. Oh, man, come on. Oh, I wonder why he doesn't want to joke about people being perverts. That's not very funny. It's a serious problem. Some people can't help being perverts.

Perverts. That weird deep voice you're doing, I love it. Anyway, so the building is under surveillance. The two agents were Rufus, Colter and Rusty Noles It's so close to Rusty Nails It's NA double LS. I'm gonna call him Rusty Nails. What's so close to Rusty Balls? Yeah, good point Thanks for your contribution. Good point. What were you saying to us off air, Matt, that you were playing golf with Broden from

Aunty Donner, and he said he likes listening because you can zone out for a bit and come back in and we'll eventually get back to the story. This is definitely one of those bits. Yeah, he said it. You don't have to concentrate too hard and you're still here the story. You can zone out. How could we expect people to concentrate hard if we can't? Exactly, you can try. That's not fair. So rusty nails set outside the building. Good point. And so he sat outside the building and saw a culter and St. Paul police detective Henry Cummings pull up Park and enter the building. So he's kind of sitting

outside watching everything. And he says a cop go in. Yeah, it's he's like, so Rusty and all Nolz is one of the agents and he sees his colleague and a police officer go in into John Dillinger's house. Yeah, and so he's outside like in case. Oh, sorry, I thought he was doing like a sting and he's like, oh no, no, no. Turns out he's got the cops and he's payroll or something. No, no, sorry. I thought he was doing like a sting and he's like, oh no, no. Oh, no, no. Turns out he's got the cops on his payroll or something. No, no, no. So around 10 minutes later, he saw one of the gang members, home of Van Meter,

park a green Ford coupé at the front of the building. Is it a coupé? Yeah. Shit was about to go down. Yeah, this is awesome. You can see this happening in the movie. Yeah, totally. This definitely has a real movie movie. Yeah, totally.

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You'll have to purve. Confirmed that with Dave. Yeah, that's great. She said, I'm sorry, I'm not like, good. Yeah, but if you're not wearing anything, that's great. She says, I'm sorry, I'm not dressed. You can't come in. And Coolter said, that's all right, we can wait. So while they're waiting, van meter appeared in the hallway.

And this is a quote says, cool to ask for a name. Van meter replied, I'm a soap salesman. Not so at all. What's your name? I'm a soap salesman. That's not a name, Van Meter replied, I'm a soap salesman. Not so at all. What's your name? I'm a soap salesman. That's not a name. Ask where his samples were, Van Meter said they were in his car. Culture asked if he had any credentials. Van Meter said, no, and continued down the stairs.

Cult awaited about 10 to 20 seconds, then followed Van Meter. As culture, culture, culture, got to the lobby on the ground floor. Van made up opened fire on him. Ooh. So both men burst out. He's my credentials. And was it a gun made of soap? Yes. But he was trying to sell. And he was like, can I interest you?

You seem to like guns. I'll show you how it works. And cleanliness. These bullets are also made of soap. Clean it from the inflow. Clean the wound. So they burst out onto the street and remember that Colta's partner, Nore, is just out there in the way.

Yeah, Russ, he's out there watching on. So he calls out and says that this man is home of Van Meter and to disable the green coupé. Like, I know that's his car. So Colta shot out the rear left tire, but Van Meter managed to get away by hopping on a passing coal truck. It's very action film.

That is a movie. Meanwhile, inside, Dillinger heard shots being fired, and he opened fire through the door at Detective Henry Cummings, who scrambled for cover and returned fire. One of Cummings shot hit Dillinger in the calf, but he ran out of ammo and retreated down the stairs and out of the building. Dillinger and Billy escaped out the back door of the building and got away. They fled to their friend Eddie Green's house. He was one of the members of the baby face

Nelson's gang and Eddie Green called Dr. Clayton E. May and they went to someone's apartment and belonged to a person called Augusta Salt. Fuck, that's a good name. Who'd been providing nursing services in a bed for May's illicit patients for several years. Patients who could not risk seeing at his regular office.

So he's like a bit of a dodgy doctor. Right. Dr. Dukkler. Well, instead of being like a doctor to the stars, he's like a doctor to the crux. Right, gotcha. So they've been shot by a cop. They can't go to hospital because they'll be pinged exactly so he has to go to this dodgy doctor who treated his wounds with their Disciptus back in the back of the leg they go in the movie that turns up doesn't really save very much

He's like I don't want to know what exactly yet. Let me get this done I just need to look like a different person by tomorrow Maybe you can augment my breasts and give me a new nose. You are so, so close. So I'm a barber. Do you want a haircut? He's like I can do a one or a two. But you are bolding, so there's not many options. That's probably the one, I guess.

One? One? Great, that'd be five. So after these events, Dylanger took Billy to Moore'sville to see his family. I don't think he'd been back there for a while. On Sunday, the 8th of April, the Dylanger's enjoyed a family picnic while the FBI had the farm under surveillance nearby. Later in the afternoon, suspecting they were being watched, the group left in separate

cars. Billy drove the new Ford V8 with two of Dylanger's nieces, Mary and Alberta in the back, and Dylanger lying across the floor of the car. So they're like, oh, not here. Traveling in style. The following afternoon on the 9th of April, Dylan J had an appointment at a tavern on North State Street, sensing trouble, Billy went in first. She was promptly arrested by agents, but refused to reveal Dylan J's whereabouts. Dylan J was waiting in his car outside the tavern and drove off unnoticed.

How gentlemanly of him. I reckon this is going to be trouble in there. You go on first. You go on first. Well, he did the right thing and he never saw her again. She got arrested. Wouldn't give him up and he's like, bye. I will give you up.

Forever. I will. Forever. I will let you down. I will give you up forever give you up. I will let you down. I will hurt you As the feminist of the show I think that's fair enough. I mean what are you saying that because She was a woman Dave that somehow she needed to be looked after by her part Mainly because she's not criminal. Okay, here we go Dave Well women's not be criminal masterminds.

Setting the movement back decades. So it's all happening really fast. That's the 9th of April. By the 22nd of April, the Bureau of Investigations, it was called the Bureau of Investigations before like 1935, then it was the FBI. Cool. They got a call that Dylanger and several of his mates

were hiding out in a small vacation lodge called Little Bohemia in Wisconsin. That sounds nice. It doesn't sound nice, a lodge. I'm imagining a lake. Yeah, beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah.

Whereabouts is Wisconsin? Sit by a fire for a bit. It's one that I would never be able to place on the map. No, I think that's a good Midwest. Right. Okay. Special agent in charge, Purvis. for a bit. It's one that I would never be able to place on the map. No, I think that's the one. Because I can midwest. Right. Okay. Special agent in charge, Purvis.

Purvis. Purvis. Purvis. Purvis. Oh. Bloody Purvis. What are the odds of there being in Purvis? That's incredible.

It's a couple of Purvis. There was a Purvis amongst us all along. So he and several agents approached the lodge when three men exited the building and began to drive off. Agents yelled for the car to stop, but the men had been drinking and didn't hear the agents. You know how when you get so drunk, you can't hear anymore. But you still want to keep driving.

You can drive. You can't hear. Driving as fast. Yeah, I don't drive with my ears. Yeah, it goes hearing, driving, seeing. Yeah. You can still drive without hearing. And smelling never goes as long as you're a pervert.

Pavis. Pavis. So agents opened fire on the car and the driver was killed. Oh, but they still kept driving because they did not hear the gun. They could still smell, could smell their way. The driver was killed, that's not good. It's not good, is it? So Dylanger and some of the gang were upstairs in the lodge

and began shooting out the windows. And while the Bureau of Investigation agents ducked for cover, Dylanger and his men got out of the back of the lodge towards a lake, that's why I was thinking lake. And we're able to get out of the area very quietly. Once again, they got away. They just keep escaping. Yeah.

By July that year, he dropped completely off the map. There were no leads as to where he could be. And as it turned out he'd ended up in Chicago, was living under the alias Jimmy Lawrence. The Wendy City. Chicago. Jimmy Lawrence, good name. Yeah, it's not bad. Desperate to change his appearance, he paid $5,000 to enlist the services of Willham Loozer and Harold Bernard Cassidy, a pair of underworld plastic surgeons. Underworld, do they focus on the Nether region? Yeah, they'll make you dick smaller. I can't make it big, I can't make it smaller.

I can't make it smaller. Anyone who's seen your chop will, it will no longer be recognizable to it. I'll, uh, love the top of your chop. I'll shred it. Anyone who's seen your chop will, it will no longer be recognizable to it. I'll, uh, lop the top of your chop. I'll shred it. You'll have a shredded chop. Exactly. So that Daisy Koffee will not recognize you anymore. Well, after it's...

I mean, think about how nervous you'd be going to get in plastic surgery today. Yeah. And imagine back then, what year is this? 19, 10s? 30s. 30s. 1930s. And also they're like, they're not on the books or anything. Yeah.

So like, yeah, yeah. This is in the golden age of plastic surgery, I think. Well, they are neithetized in with ether, which is commonly used as a solvent in labs now and as a starting fluid for some engines. So that's good. And they gave him a rudimentary facelift, removed several moles and scars, filled in his famous cleft chin and used chemicals to burn off his fingerprints.

Oh, okay. I love how they removed scars and probably created a few others. Yeah. The procedure proved excruciating, and Dillinger was decidedly unsatisfied with the results. Apparently, upon looking in the mirror, he supposedly exclaimed, hell, I don't look any different than I did.

Oh, but at least it was painful. Yeah. So they just cut off some miles. And burnt off his finger to his... Was it crusty on the Simpsons when he had a similar thing done, but it just made him look and he's like, I don't look any different. Well, Cossi, I wouldn't say you look at least five years younger and your breasts. What is it?

Hey, you didn't hear me complain about the breasts. Under the alias of Jimmy Lawrence, Dylan Juminger met 26-year-old Polly Hamilton. She'd been a teenage runaway who met Anna, a company Nash, a.k.a. Anna Sage, and worked periodically in Anna's brothel in Gary, Indiana. Whoa. Wow.

I wanna visit that brothel. Ha ha ha ha ha. Bav. Bav. Bav. Polly and Dillinger hit it off and began dating. Meanwhile, division of investigations chief J. Edgar Hoover created a special task force headquartered in Chicago to locate Dylanger. Right. It's like a special task force now just for him.

Anna, how have I been saying that before? Anna Kumpanash. I really hope that the first time he gets caught, they're like, mmm, GZ looks like him, but that mole isn't there anymore. And we all know moles. Don't go all the way. Moles are forever. Yeah.

Anna Kumpanash was a Roman immigrant, Romanian immigrant. Anna Kumpanash was a Romanian immigrant and had been threatened with deportation, so in a bed to save herself from being deported, she offered agents information on Dillinger. The FBI agreed to her terms, but she was later deported nonetheless. Ah, dogs.

She told them that Dillinger had been spending time with her friend Polly, who lived with her and her son. She told them the couple were gonna see a movie together the next day, although she wasn't entirely sure which theater they were going to. There was two options. So the next day arrived in Dylan Dress Anna if she wanted to come to the movies with them. And she asked what they were going to see. And he said he'd like to check out the theater around the corner, meaning the biograph theater. So not wanting to raise suspicion, she said she needed butter in order to make fried chicken for dinner and while she was out She called the FBI agents and informed them which theater Dylan would be at that night. That's a perfectly normal conversation

I need butter! Want to go into the movies? Ah, sure, where are you going? Oh, okay, great. I need butter. Are you coming to the movies? Butter, fried chicken. Butter! Butter, gotta call. Butter! Egg go over. I have to call. But I go over.

I have to call Jay. It's a lot. So not wanting to take the risk of another embarrassing escape from Dillinger, the police was split into two groups. On Sunday, one team was sent to the Marbo Theatre on the city's west side while another team surrounded the biography theater. I don't think it's good. They split the party to be honest with me.

They have us with the party. Good point. At approximately 8.30 pm, Anna, Polly and John Dillinger were observed entering the theater, which was showing the crime drama, Manhattan melodrama, starring Clark Gable. That's fun. It's a little fun, if I could read.

Yeah. Clark Gable, one of the greats. One of the best. Probably. I guess. At Clock gap, but one of the greats. One of the best. Probably. I guess. At the time, federal officials felt that the Chicago police had been compromised and therefore could not be trusted.

But during the stakeout, the theaters manager thought the agents were criminals setting up a robbery. So he called the Chicago police, who beautifully responded and were waved off by federal agents, who told them they were there on a stakeout for an important target. So they called police and the police turned up and these agents like fuck off. They're like, this is not your jurisdiction. Yeah.

You're going to blow, we'll put months into this. When the film ended, FBI agent Melvin Purvis stood by the front door and signaled Dylan's exit by lighting a cigar. That was the signal. Both he and other agents reported that Dylan returned his head and looked directly at the agent as he walked by. Glanced across the street, then moved ahead of his female companions, reached into his pocket, but failed to extract his gun and ran into a nearby alley. So he spotted, he's like, cop! That's a cop, that's a knack!

But he's like, oh I'm when you're Sam now. That's cop, so I'm like, good lighting, good lighting. Because he's lighting us a guy and going, oh god, that's awful. That is fucking awful. Oh my god, I've never smoked before in my life. Why people smoke these? What? Jesus! Woo! before my wife. Why people smoke these? What? Jesus.

Other accounts stated Dillandre ignored a command to surrender. Whipped out his gun and headed for the alley. Regardless, he's running to an alley. Run to an alley. We're not trevise. Got a gun or whipped it out or not. But agents had already had this alley blocked off. So he was, he was fucked. Uh-oh. Three men pursued him into the alley and fired. Clarence Hurt shot twice, Charles Winstead three times, and Herman Hollis once. Dylanger was hit from behind and fell face first to the ground.

He was struck four times with two bullets grazing him and one causing a superficial wound to the right side. The fatal bullet entered through the back of his neck, severing the spinal cord, passed into his brain, exited just under the right eye. Oh, that sounds bad. It's pretty bad. The first three sounded good. It's like, yeah, they are going all right. Yeah. He's got a couple of new scars. Yeah. Grays dim one. Oh, got me in the shoulder, but I'll be right, but then one in the back of the neck, because not where you want to get shot. An avionce was called, although me in the shoulder, but I'll be right, but then one in the back of the neck is not where you want to get shot. An avionse was called, although it was soon apparent, Dillinger had died from the gunshot

wounds. He was officially pronounced dead at the Alexian Brothers Hospital. According to investigators, Dillinger died without saying a word. I mean, you didn't have a lot of time, did he? Winston was later thought to have fired the fatal shot. And as a consequence, received a personal letter of Commendation from Jay Edgar Hoover. Imagine getting a letter for killing someone. I mean, I you know like that would you be like Thank you. I put this on my CV or yeah, I'm not sure

Jay Edgar Hoover is something about that name. It just rolls together. Yeah, I know where, which, how many words are in it? There could be seven parts to that name or two. I don't know. J.E.D. Gahuva. How many? Gahuva. Five. What is it? What is it? Is it three names? J.E.D. Gahuva. Yes, that's right. Is that it? His name is J.E.D. Gahuva. Gahuah! Yes, German, it's beautiful. It's beautiful name, Gahubah. So July 22nd, 1934, at approximately 10.40pm, John Dillinger was shot and killed. Only two months after the deaths of fellow notorious criminals, Bonnie and Clyde, who's done a reporter. Ah, I did, I do put them all in the same time. I didn't realize it was-

I didn't realize it was- But not that close. Yeah, I didn't realize they say, and I did the report on body and clay, but that was a long time ago. That is not true. Did I? I did. Really?

I would have guessed yes too. Ah, I love it. Yeah. Ha! Ha! Did you really? Yeah, there you go. That's, I did a drama solo of Bonnie and Clyde in year 11.

You 10. I did the bonus report on the Mandela effect though. I don't know if that's relevant. That's crazy. No, you didn't. Sorry Dave, to take the credit there. That's weird. It's part of the research I watched them.

What did I do? Didn't I do one? You've done a report before. But then, another Gat 30 sort of Gat 30. Yeah, I did a 30 Gat so I don't know. No, I'm thinking of watching the movie about Bonnie and Clyde. Right. I give up.

Anyway, so there are reports of people dipping their handkerchiefs and skirts into the pool of blood that had formed as Dylan Lailie. Beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, people kept, they did the same thing with Bonnie and Clyde, I think, like tried to get souvenirs. Who might have pulled bits off them. Yeah, gross.

Yeah, they wanted to, you know, see if they could wait till technology caught up and create a new, Monty Clyde and Dylan Joff. Here is Bonnie's earlobe. Can we create this? What can we do with that? Jurassic Park style.

Get on an island somewhere full of gangsters. Full of gangsters. Broming free. It all comes from this amber. So Dylan Joff's body was available for public display at the Cook County morgue. An estimated 15,000 people viewed the corpse over a day and a half. Wow. 15,000 people turned out to look at his teeth. Like you're looking at that one you queue up. To look at a body.

I love queuing animals. For an opportunity like this. These people would have bored a train. Yeah, these people suck. Get a life. Going, just lining up to look at a body. Yeah, that's a little bit. I don't like that at all. That's a bit tough. You'd really hate open casket funerals.

Yeah, I don't. Oh man. Because I know what they do to the art. Dracking their game in the treatment. Dracking their, they packed their, they packed their, they would have been an honor to give them the treatment.

Oh, I can miss. To pack John Deillinger's ass. Imagine being the one. That's a different party story right there. Normally the morgue guy doesn't have the best stories. Just go on. Tell him. Tell him what you did last week.

I could have. No, no, tell him who's asked you to pack. To go on. Go on. Well, I got the Dillinger job. Oh, no. Yeah, I packed his ass. Oh, wow.

And did you say his weird chop that they tried to change? Yeah, it was looked like that string cheese Wow, there was no good on Stringers unrecognizable Nearly got away with it, too Anyway, enjoy the rumpest day Please Dylan just buried at the crown heel cemetery in Dinappalus And his gravestone has had to be replaced several times

because of vandalism by people chopping pieces off as souvenirs, just chiseling away a bit of a gravestone. People, huh? What a crazy. And the people. That's odd. His life has been explored in countless books, TV shows, and films.

In fact, a film came out the following year, just like such portrays. The MGM Crime Film, public hero number one, and a different take, incorporated fictionalized details from Dylan just narrative. He's also been playing by names like Humphrey Bogart. Mark Harmon. Mark Harmon from NCIS.

Yes. Whoa, we got it just through Gibbs. Martin Sheen. Wow. And Johnny Depp. Who? Ha ha ha ha ha. Mark Harmon. Whoa, we brought it just for a Gibbs Martin Sheen. Wow and Johnny dip who Some of the names that specifically Mark harm and the greatest actress that's ever lived And also in the Simpson's episode Treehouse of horror

I'm a new rules. I've just realized what's I be? Nine. Dylan Jones. No, for four. I imagine for X in my head, I was like, I'm going ahead of her. Four. Stupid bitch, no, Dylan. Don't worry, you'll work this out.

Can we edit that in person until I got fucking perv? He appears as a member of the jury of the damned. I think Lizzie Baudens in there as well. And then maybe is Blackbeard as well, and then he's scared of, he just wants to sit in the high chair from Maggie. Yeah. Now this chair will be high, he says, I.

But that is my report on public enemy number one, John Dillinger. So fantastic report. So he was very popular with public people during the cause of the Great Depression, That is my report on public enemy number one, John Dillinger. So, fantastic report. So, he was very popular with public people, because it was a great depression, but then public enemy number one, is that like a term that like Edgar Hoover would. Yeah, I think so.

And I think it's also sort of come from like, from books and films and stuff like that. Right, it's a cool title. Yeah, yeah. It is so interesting. I don't really understand why we idolise outlaws and stuff. I mean, even Ned Kelly here, you know, he's sort of seen as a bit of a hero, but it's like, oh, he killed some people.

Yeah, and this guy seems like he's involved in quite a bit of death. Yeah, and didn't give a shit. You know, like, he would get out of prison and just go straight back to crime. It's like his passion in life was robbing banks. And what year did he die? Uh, that was 1934. So he's only like 31 or something? Yeah. Wow. We packed all in his life and into his ass. That's right.

Into his life and in death into his ass. But he only got out of prison in 1933. And when was he murdered? 34. Wow. He really? I was like 18 months. And before that 18 month, no one really knew who he was.

No, because all he'd done was rob the grossa. Yeah, that's right. He flew too close to the sun, didn't he? That happens. I don't think that's setting out for having a long, happy life, being a violent bank robber. That's a good point. Yeah. Do you imagine yourself dying in bed in your 80s?

Probably not. Yeah. I assume so. And on this pile of bank money, buy a beautiful bed, beautiful death bed, with that kind of cash. Oh, my death bed's going to be so beautiful. kind of cash. Oh, my deathband's going to be so beautiful.

Apparently the band, the Dillinger escape plan was named after one of their friends watched a documentary on John Dillinger. There you go. So no coincidence. I would have loved to be said, Oh, wow, amazing. I was really hoping it was going to be some other Dillinger Yeah, this lady ran a milk bar down the road and she always gave us This count on the bags of lolly frogs and her name was Mary Dillinger and we love Mary Dillinger That's nice. That's nice. There's also the There's also the pump band, Dillinger 4. I wonder if that has...

Is there 4 of them in the band? Yeah. So there we go, figure it out. Wow, there you go. But that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show. The fact quote a question section, which has a jingle I think you got something like this? Fact quote or question. I think you get something like this. Fudge quote or question. Fudge. Anyway, remember to purve. And the way to get involved in this is if you go to dogoonpod.com or patreon.com slash to go on pod.

And you support us on the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe Memorial edition rest and peace level. And you can give us a factor quote or a question. There's a bunch of different levels, different prices, different kinds of rewards. Some of them give you bonus episodes three per month. We just put out a fantastic one, I will say. Just did a bonus report on the men

that have mailed themselves in the post. I'd forgotten. And I was hoping you would remember and you weren't looking at me like, what was it? That was just and I'd be like, I don't know. But it was really, really fun and interesting and very funny and

There's a I've been listening to a song this week. I can't go being gone back to my favorite songs of 2020 What's the song one of them has the line in it? I put myself in a letter and mailed myself I'm like what are the odds of yeah, wow that's crazy Any how so yeah bunch of bonus episodes we put out three a month I'm like, what are the odds of that? Yeah, wow. That's crazy. Anyhow. So yeah, bunch of bonus episodes. We put out three a month, but that was just one that really stood out to me because I had a lot of fun during the recording.

Yeah, that was a banger. So people can get involved, like I said, at patreon.com.com, such to go on pod or dogoonpod.com. And this reward, though, means you get nearly all the bonuses and whatnot voting rights and all that sort of thing, including voting on Jess's report today. But also you get to give us a factor quote or a question. You also get to give yourself a title. The first one this week is Nick Fidian, who's given himself the title of the good old saint himself. Oh my goodness. Would you believe he sent this one in in December?

And Nick has offered us a fact. Oh, not many people go for fact. I love fact. Yeah, I hit the brave choice. Well, you're in for a real trick as three of the four effects today. Here is Nick's fact. In the 90s, Great Britain went through a period now referred to by a economist as the Bean War, where supermarkets attempted to outdo each other in how low they could price tens of beans. Dave? In an effort to entice people to their stores. It got so out of control that one place sold theirs for negative two pens per tin. At one point no one could go any lower and the process began to return a normal and Britain made it through the bean war in

one place. That's great. I've looked into it before because people suggested I do it as a report but I just don't think that's not quite enough in front of me. Maybe a bonus. Yeah maybe. The bean war. That sounds great. I feel like Nick has just done a very many report there.

That's probably the most interesting thing. Thanks so much. Nick, that's great. I feel like Nick has just done a very many reports. That's probably the most interesting thing. Thanks so much, Nick. That's great. Love it. Love it. Very much. This next one comes from Graham Gadza. Gadza. And he has given himself the title of Supreme Commander of the Michigan anti-ohio army. What? Well, he's actually written annet-ohio army. So I don't know. I kind of, I've misread that but my I might have misread it Correctly if you know what I mean see that the Michigan

Anti Ohio Army or as written the Michigan annus Ohio Army. That's probably anti The Michigan and Ohio have beef apparently so yeah, well there you go So Graham has given us a fact. Here it is. Hiho mates, the great state of Michigan went to war, okay. I think it's actually. I think this is gonna work, our question. The great state of Michigan went to war with Ohio

in 1835 over the Toledo strip in what is called the Toledo war. President Jackson at the time sided with Ohio because of its political power, but he later did the trial of tears. So he sucks. God don't know what that means, but there's a lot in this, I'm loving this.

Trial of tears. Have you heard of that, the trial of tears? No, but I think he was a bit of a loose unit at that end of the year. He's on the tenderler note or one of those notes. He's one that looks like Wayne Hope, isn't he? Anyway. His hair is pretty amazing.

Yeah. Sort of the devil's peak. Oh, fantastic. My favorite kind of peak. Absolutely. If you're going to have a peak. Dante, number two. Yes.

Ranny at the three, of course, is Brett Peak, Saints' player. I think goodness there is one in the 2000s played for free, Manel as well. Anyway, Graham goes on, Ohio ended up getting the Toledo Strip, but the then Territory Michigan, but the then Territory Michigan ended up getting the upper peninsula, which while being extremely

larger than the Toledo St strip is rich in copper and other ores. Cop that Ohio, you fucks. He says the lower peninsula of Michigan looks like a mitten and the upper looks like a fox head. Oh cool, it's funny that I think the like the states of fighting over territory up until still the mid-1800s. And maybe beyond that, that's the most recent that I know of. Yeah. And only. Thank you so much, Graham.

Wow, the two facts I mean, banging so far. This one, no pressure. Daniel, headly has written a question. He's called himself, resident dickhead of the pod. Well, excuse me. How dare you come for my title. Very rude. Daniel headly has written a question. He's got himself resident dickhead of the pot well How dare you come for my title I Cannot believe the cheek of this man Daniel writes do any of you have any connection to famous or

people from past or present and Then I think he's done what we're what we always like he's answered his own question But I'll take your answers first Any connection of famous People from past or present yes, I know you're you've got a good one. Yeah, I'm related to one of the prime ministers of Australia during the Great Depression Great depression actually hit the day after he was sworn in James Scullin So is it like he's known as the unluckiest prime minister? Is it coincidence or did he fuck something up worldwide? He just pulled a plug He was actually holidaying at Wall Street at the time

Yeah, that I mean it's a good one. It is hard to talk about. It's like my great, great uncle, prime minister. And now I, oh, actually, I think, didn't we read, we talked about it recently. All right, I saw something about it. He was somehow responsible for the ABC, not responsible, but like, Oh, yes, he was in charge when it, like the, whatever needed to go through power,

went through to form the ABC, the bill or whatever, which I now work for. So I have him to thank for my job. That's because of you. You put it in. At its finest. You got to do it. You got to do it on in one day, even a bonus. But I don't understand politics.

I mean, it's really a bio. So it'll just be a bio. Yeah. All right, I'll do it. A bio. A bio. A bio. A bio. He's not even the most interesting prime minister, but I'll do it. A bio, a bio. A bio, do a bio. He's not even the most interesting prime minister, but I'll do it.

Well, we're already knocked off Harold. Yeah, that was an interesting one though. He went missing. Yeah. Probably still out there. I know my some sort of cousin, like, you know, the, I should know the title, but the Balabo Five, you might say that right.

Yeah. Some journalists who, that was, he was one of them, one of the... Oh really? ...that was related to... ...and did they disappear? Yes. I think they're at yeah. Well they executed some horrible yeah. They executed and his and he's also related, he's both them more closely to my dad. But his brother I think is the singer of the painters and

doggers who are tweeted to him once saying, hey, oh, when I was drinking with my dad, that's like, yeah, if you message him and say, this is the connection. And he replied with some nice message back. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, they're probably the two... Dave? The first time I watch. My dad is Jack Black.

Oh, yeah. That is a good one. I don't even think it's a good one. We talk about that all the time on the pod. It's always about, you know, Dave starts every second sentence with my dad, Jack Black. My dad is Jack Black. How old is Jack Black?

He all left to be your father? Probably. He's probably 50. Yeah. So Tony Stewart was 21. He was one of the journalists. All right. Sound recordist.

All right. The Balbo 5 was a group of journalists for Australian television networks who were killed in the period leading up to the Indonesian invasion of East Timor. The Balbo, FI or base in the town of Balbo and East Timor, where they were killed on 16th of October 1975 during Indonesian incursions before the invasion. Yeah, and I mean obviously there's a little bit before my time, but you hear the story comes up. You know, I think on the anniversary, most years you'll see a story about it or something. There's been documentaries and all sorts of stuff about it. It's something I really should look into it more.

Yeah. Oh, it sounds like it. I mean, it's obviously a not-a-not story. My only real one is working in the media sometimes, you know, very occasionally older journalists will ask me if I'm related to Ross Warnakie and that was my dad's cousin and he was like a journalist for the age and things like that. Oh, no. Yeah.

So, yeah, just the one PM. Just the one PM. Yes, it was quite a respect to journalists, so, but if you're in the middle of it, if you're in the prime minister. Yes, it was quite a respect to Jernos. So, but if you're in the prime minister. Yes, but no, but he was respected. So. Well, he's, yeah, it sounds like he's got one over there. He didn't cause the Wall Street crash. He didn't cause it. Okay, he just didn't help.

Thank you so much for that question. Daniel, Daniel writes, I was told once that Roger Doltry from the Who is my dad's second cousin. Whoa! No idea if it's true, but I'll take it. Or slightly less interesting, my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was William Headley, a locomotive pioneer whose fame was stolen by Stephenson of Stephenson's rocket fame. He created Puffing Billy, the original one back in the 1800s. He says, Patreon mini report maybe. Anyway, Huru and Happy New Year. I wasn't till late that I realized that Daniel

is obviously Australian. The Puffing Billy, and then the Huru's. Huru's, I've sold Ross Wanky short here. For many years, he wrote a column in the age television green guide, but he also often acted as substitute on Neil Mitchell's morning program on 3AW. Oh, there you go. So there's a shock joke as well.

I definitely, the name rings a bell. And when was that? If I look at him, he looks a bit, I don't know if you remember what my dad looks like, especially when he was younger, he looks like my dad. Oh, yep. Which is interesting, but I think he died in 2006. There you go.

So, that's a good question Daniel, thanks for, I mean, I don't know if we gave the most interesting answers in a restaurant. I'm in a restaurant today. I'm in a restaurant. Yeah, that's a great one. Well, what do you people want from me? I mean, we would have liked a good prime minister, for example. Like a men's ease great one. What do you people want from me? We would have liked a good Prime Minister, for example. Like a men's ease or something. Yeah, right.

God's with love. That's my dad. God's with love. My dad is God. No, it's honestly so amazing that you're related to a PM. Yeah, no, and look at what we have to show. You bloody old money over here. Yeah.

Money bags, perkins, I call us. I should say also have a second cousin who was on a few seasons back of the block. My brother was on the block. Your brother was on the block? Yeah, he was one of the builders. Oh, that's pretty good too. That's pretty good. My friend Flanagan who listens to this show was a builder on there as well.

I wonder if they know each other. They know each other. I wonder if they know each other. I wonder if they know each other. I wonder if they know each other. I wonder if they know each other. I wonder if they know each other, I wonder if they know each other. Bloody hell. Hey Flano, you know Mick? And stand up comedian Andy Saunders on last season. I wonder if they know my uncle Scott can. Does that give a show? Yeah, look at that.

None of this has made any sense. It's funny that that question led to a lot of Australian stuff. Yeah. Who are you related to? Oh, this will get the international side as excited. Bona! Billy Connolly. Well, the King James, the first was obviously a stupid.

Oh, short, up. I don't, I don't, I imagine he wasn't a good guy though, right? I don't want to claim it. Billy any kings are. Yes, difficult to be a king and be. You know, yeah. Nice. The final one comes from Miguel Acosta,

who's given himself the title of Junior Assistant Amateur Primatologist to Mats Juit, a very important role. Oh, very important role. Very important. Maybe one day you can be Senior Assistant Primatologist. Senior Junior. If you keep working. So this is the final one for today, and it's another fact

It's a longish one. Let me have a crack here the cryptid known as tripper cubras is rumored to exist throughout all of Latin America But the origins of the legend come from Puerto Rico during our time under Spanish rule The legend of the blood sucking goat draining creatures spread as spread of spaniards migrated from Puerto Rico to other parts of Latin America. The main difference between the general Latin American chupacabras and the Puerto Rican chupacabras is that while the Latin American one is described as appearing more dog-like or coyote-like in nature, the Puerto Rican one is described as being reptilian. As Puerto Rico is mainly rainforest, swamp,

beach, and desert, and has no native dog-like creatures. I think the Chippa Cobra's would make it for an amazing app, even though I don't think I've put it in the hat, though I definitely will. Funny, as I'm reading this Miguel, I'm like, I've almost done some futons of put up for the vote. I don't need to now, you've just explained it.

Thank you so much, Miguel. I said, PS, I'm a history major working on my thesis and not only have I started to go on a few times, I introduce your pod to my supervising professor. And he said you three are the most talented amateur historical investigators. He's ever witnessed. Oh my, really?

Can we get that written down? Well, I do, I mean, I've read it. But like on like some sort of paper with like a university seal? That would be good. But I mean, he's not done, he says. So he's, no, I was gonna go downhill for a minute. He's called us that, the most talented amateur historical investigators

He's ever witnessed meanwhile he called my last investigation possible Miguel just be more like us. Exactly wing it He said love you guys over the long message keep up the good work. Thank you so much Miguel Oh, what a great crop of facts fact-quite question and complement. Yeah love. Oh, let's change it Yeah, that's a fact that people pull up. Professional compliment Yeah, I think I think people can just put a compliment in it. They would just call it a fact though or quite call it quite Quite a quite yourself complimenting yourself. Yeah, you guys that is accepted. So hot

quote me 20 Lamb Quite me. 2021. Wow. Wow. The out, thanks so much for those guys. And like we said, get involved at those websites. I mentioned the other thing we like to do on another level of, we give a shout out just when we comes up with a little game for us to play for each name. What do you think in today?

We could either name their gang or what the press call them, like public enemy number one. Oh, I like that. That's better than I was going to say what public enemy number there, like yeah, I like that. That's better than I was gonna say what public enemy number there are like number seven. I think this is good. Yeah, so it's something something number one. Public something number one.

Okay, that's good. That's good. I've got one. I'm ready. All right, well. Wait, don't just give it to you. You got to let you got to pick the right name. Because you can't just assign it before saying it.

Okay, yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. Here we go first up from Dublin in Ireland. It is Shevorn Lavelle. Oh great name, Shevorn. Um, Jess, have you got one? I do, but not for Shevorn. Public I'm nearly went toilet I'm nearly went toilet. That was mine! Sorry! Sorry! That looks so much the next day better.

Sorry no, I was saying that was what, because Matt was setting him up for whatever comes into your mind. And you said, oh I was almost going to say this fucking stupid thing imagine if I did. I'd want to die if that was what I thought. I'll tell Shivon she for cheese the bubbly toilet No All right, um, what is she vaude david I'll give it to you one more time first thing public

scuba diver number one Public scuba diver Yeah, exactly you got to be brave. You got to be brave Shavod thanks so much for your support and thanks so much for being the public's number one scuba diver Thank you so much. I'm so sorry Jess, but let's All right, I'd also have to thank from Bexley Heath in England John Egan public I thought I was gonna be like brown or something.

John's pretty good. Public toilet number one. A lot of ways he's a public John number one. Oh, that's good. That is great stuff. Thank you. Hey, let's take him in to imagine if I hadn't fucked that up. But didn't we have a nice last day?

So, so good. So, yeah, we're still hanging around the island and the UK with, from Galway in Ireland. It's Caronnally. Caronnally is the public. Sincupation expert. No! Number one, that's a coveted, and what did I say blank? What is syncopation expert? Thank you. Is that what I said?

Keeping everyone in time. Yes Everyone is marching much much much Classic Karen. Wow good on you. Yeah Karen. Thanks Karen. Karen. Nally from Galway. Can I thank some people as well? A Galway girl. She's a Galway girl. Yeah if you could thank some people that would be fantastic but. So here was black and her eyes were blue. Surely we can't have any more people from the UK or Ireland. Well Matt I love to disappoint you. From London in London. London. Where? London London where Hannah Hudson or public fountain number one. Wow. Why not another fountain of knowledge youth youth. Oh Pop for the public anybody. You tell yourself some youth. Yeah, so they just have to go chat to Hannah

I've got to get to London. Well, she'll tell you where the fountain is. Oh Hershey's the fountain. No, I'm sure yeah and her knowledge is. Oh! She's a fan of knowledge. She's a master. Yeah. And her knowledge is where. You answered these questions free. And I'll let you look at the fountain or will. Oh, look. Can I, can I, can I, can I touch the wall?

Well, you've got to answer it. I have a free question, if you want to answer it. I'm sorry, it was the first question. What's your name? Matt. Okay, where are you from? From Melbourne. What's your phone number

come on say it seven off you go off your pop I'm so senior the truth that's I love it sorry Hannah for that spot I just heard you think it to pick up. Yeah, totally. I'm a troll. What's your name? Wait for a mochi number. What are you doing later? Answer me these questions for. Wanna come over tomorrow? I would also love to.

I live under this bridge. You're at it already. Easy. I'm a poo. I would also like to think from Wolverhampton. Oh, go wolves. Go wolves. It's not even that late here.

Like we've recorded later. Yeah, there's got to real witching our feel about it. I would love to thank Connor Ainsley Oh Connor Ainsley the public DVD player Number one There's not many around anymore and that DVD player never skips. No way just keeps going. It's so good If you got a DVD player, which you probably don't we don't need one because there's someone who's got one I didn't have one. I had one and it just survived somehow

and I dusted it off recently because someone's lent the Quaro box set. Oh, fantastic. And I've also found the Futurama Season 1, which I'm looking forward to getting back into. It's funny that I have both DVDs and a DVD player. You wouldn't believe it, but I am that old. Wow. Incredible.

You are like almost born last century. Yeah, no, I was. What? What? So, what are you 300 years old? Yes. Finally for me, I would love to thank from Tonteg in Wales. Ooh. Stefan Prince.

That's a great man. Public. So it's another, so we're still a great man. Public. It's another, so we're still in the UK. Yeah. Um, all right. Uh, public marksman number one. Oh, okay.

Are there the best shot in Wales? Yes, shot in, yeah. Good for Connor. And the public loves him for it. Oh, like an anti-oclyconic. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Cool.

There you go. Some prints amongst Marksman. Very, very impressive. Dave, would you like to thank some people? I would love to thank from Hove in South Australia. Here we go. And I have a real crack at your name here. Elise J. Eschee.

Elise J. Eschee. That was a footballer with that name, I think. Josh G. Eschke. Josh G. Eschke. Was what they, I'm pretty, if I'm thinking, never quite made it, Josh G. Sorry if that was your brother. Very promising player, probably.

Okay, the public's brother, number one. You're calling Elise Jeschke. Public brother, number one. Public brother, number one. So you can really rely onki. Public brother number one. Public brother number one. So you can really rely on them. They're like family. Elise is family. Public brother.

And Elise is the public's brother number one. That's right, yes. Number one brother to the public. I want to start with the public call. Yeah. Okay. What, so now only men can be brothers? No, it's fair, fair enough.

I consider you two like brothers. I should hope you think the same of enough. I consider you two like brothers. I should hope you think the same of me. It is mutual. Thank you. I do. Well, it seemed reluctant from you, Matt, but okay. Well, let me thank you back to England now to Shefford, where I would love to thank Tom white. Thank you, Tom and Tom is of course the public toilet Number one hang on what's up? We run out of how are we doubling up what about I'm thinking the pub nine names the public you're an old what about public toilet number two? That's good stuff. What were you thinking? I'll say the public Baker number one? That's good stuff.

What were you thinking? I was gonna say the public baker number one. Okay, that's better. That's better. I love the great baker. Yeah, and this is the best. Number one. Not a better than a country baker.

I don't think Johnny Egan would want to share his coveted title of public toilet number one. So I think public baker for Tom. Tom White. The public baker number one. White bread. That Baker for Tom. Tom White. Yeah. The public Baker number one. White bread. That's on the bakery's cold. Oh that is. That's what the bakery is. Sunday night we've lost them. I've been working for a very long time. My brain doesn't work so good anymore, but we're doing it.

Oh finally we'd love to thank. We're still in England. I thought you'd done all three I'm so sorry. Now we're in Stevenage. Stevenage. Great Britain. This is three names. Sam. John. What road? Sam John Woodrow. Public attorney number one. Oh, that's a great yes you want them. Yeah, public defender. Yeah, the best one though. Sam, John Woodrow, thank you so much for your support from Stevenage. We will be calling upon you when we are. You're inevitably getting to sleep. Super slender. Thank you so much. Sam, Tom, at least Stefan Conner, Hannah, Karen, John and Shivorn. Your support means so much, Sam. Tom, Elise, Stefan, Connor, Hannah, Karen, John, and Shivorn. Your support means so much. It keeps this show running. You get involved with that at patreon.com, such as you're going to portal to gone pod.com. And the last thing we do before we wrap up

the show is we induct a few of those those fantastic supporters, the hottest of the hot. Supporters. Who've been supporting us on the shout out level or above for the last three years straight. And we let them into the trip to Chicago. I'm standing the door. I've got the clipboard. I've got the door list. I got a velvet rope. I'm ready to lift it.

To welcome you in, Jazz is behind the bar. She's got a few fancy cocktails. On the go and some hors d'oeuvres. What do you got this week? Well, it's like great depression theme to this week. So we have, what's it? We have moonshine.

Oh, it's great. I don't think Prohibition was necessarily in the same time, but we have moonshine, lab. We've got lad, we've got potatoes, and groove. Oh, good. You can smell the potatoes a mile away. Do we have any side meat? We do have spanned. Chopped. Chopped. And... Devon. Cheese. Cheese stringers. Government cheese.

Government cheese stringers. So enjoy everybody tuck in. And Dave normally books a band. Well I've got not one but two bands tonight. We've got the Dillinger 4 opening for the Dillinger Escape Play. Oh hey, what's that? No, we're linked to. Oh I mean I don't book it in the rest of the report. I've had this book for months. Wow.

It takes a lot of event planning. I've had people pull out. Are they playing their own songs or the... Playing each other's songs. Oh, okay, that's fun. And not well. But have not rehearsed. Oh, there's four inductees today. And the way this normally works is I read out the name.

Welcome them into the club. Dave's inside. He's just on soundtrack with the bands. And he's in there. He's the hype man. For both the bands and... I imagine I've got a microphone. Yeah, you're on stage. You're just on soundtrack. You hype and I'm in the life

Check one. We've got a lighting chase happening as they're entering. Well fantastic. We change the lighting every week It's so good. We've got a full-time lighting and then Jess Hipes up Dave from behind the bar Because he's just a little bad. He needs it. He needs it. He needs his mummy to hype him up with a baby He needs it. He needs it. He needs his mummy to hide him up with a baby. All right guys, just a bit of a bit of housekeeping. The toilets are obviously back there.

One of the johns is backed up. So, public john number one. So you used public john number two, but no number two. Because that is what caused the blockage. Okay, okay. Okay, luckily after you eat that lad, you will also be backed up. I don't understand if that's what.

Is that something lad might do? How are we going to work here? All right, so four inductees tonight. Let me go through him. You ready for this? Let's go Dave. All right, let's welcome him in. All right, today for the first time I'm just gonna say I've normally take something from their name or where they're from and he just turns that into some poetry. You are ruining momentum. Okay, here we go. Ha ha ha ha. First up from East Vale and California in the United States, it's Rick Zoo. Oh, put him in the zoo!

Yeah, about zoo, I mean. Out club. Because he's an animal. Yeah, he's an animal, baby. He's a hile. Yeah, let him out of this. Woo! I'd also love to welcome him in from Melbourne in Australia.

It's Harvey Wiseman. Oh the Wiseman in the room! From Ailsby in Buckinghamshire in Great Britain, it's Harriet Layton Porter. Oh what ails yes? Well, I was a bit sad early tonight, but then I looked at the guest list and Harry and Layton pawned us into that! Yes! And finally from Adelaide in South Australia, it's Adrian Newman! Wow, there's a new man tonight. And it's Adrian! Yes!

Welcome down! Dave, look at me, that was incredible. Thank you, I mean, I just so good at this. I just woke up, I don't even remember what happened to see you. I know, and it's honestly, every week, a privilege to good at I just woke up. I don't even remember what happened to say I know and it's honestly every week Approved-led to watch. Thank you so much. I mean that so sincerely. Thank you And we are getting our website read done. It's been a so processed mainly because we're very hard for I think for our web designer to Yeah, we are the clients from hell

Looking for We have boxes in it. He's a doggy. We're looking for two. Make a website. Don't ask any questions. What? What? Log in. I don't know. Shit. Genuine conversations are what I had.

Wait, it's a sign. No, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can need a password for this. I'm going to tell you I wanted to be blue. I mean, you're going to use, whoa, whoa, you can need a password for this. I'm going to tell you I wanted to be blue. I mean, you're going to use coming back with this tech jargon. WW, what? Shuffle up your ass.

But anyway, he had said that he will be able to make gold glittery riding for the inductees into the trip to clubs. So that is that sometime this year, whether or not we get back to them and I'll find out that that will probably. But yeah, so thanks so much to Adrian, Harriet, Harvey and Rick, the, please make yourselves at home, kick back, everyone's got their own booth, if you want it, but mingle too, if you want it up to you.

Once again, though, public, John number one, he's out of action. Do not try. We'll feature, we will let you know when it is Rio. We do apologize for any inconvenience. I am a hot man slash plumber so I'll be back there. That brings us to the end of the episode. Thanks so much for telling that great tale today.

Great report, Jess. I did my best. So. Well we enjoyed it a lot so your best is almost good enough. Thank you so much. If people are craving more bot-pkins to get them through the week, Saturdays and Sundays is a shying time in the afternoons, they can hear just playing all the coolest latest tunes. Is that what you do? Yeah. They all the coolest, the latest tunes. And anytime I post about being on Triple J, I will inevitably get a reply from someone being like,

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