Do Go On - 294 - The Curse Of The Billy Goat

Episode Date: June 9, 2021

It turns out baseball is a very cursed sport. One of Major League Baseball's longest running curses affected The Chicago Cubs for decades. A disgruntled goat owner, a black cat and the notorious Steve... Bartman incident, this is The Curse Of The Billy Goat.Watch our four shows recorded live in Melbourne: https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoonFor tickets to Matt's shows in Sydney and Melbourne: https://www.mattstewartcomedy.com/ Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodBuy tickets for our screening of The Mummy on September 10: https://www.lidocinemas.com.au/mummyBuy tickets to our streamed shows (there are 12 available to watch now! All with exclusive extra sections): https://sospresents.com/authors/dogoon Check out our AACTA nominated web series: http://bit.ly/DGOWebSeries​ Check out Matt’s Beer show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej4TUguJL58 Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: dogoonpod@gmail.com Check out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/ Our awesome theme song by

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Starting point is 00:02:06 Potential savings will vary, discounts not available in all safe and situations. Hello and welcome to another episode of Dugo on. My name is Dave Waniki and as always I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello, I'm Jess Perkins. Hello, I'm Matt Stewart. Dave, how does this show work? Well what we do here Matt is we take an intense report on a topic often suggested by one of our beautiful listeners and whoever's turned it is to report goes away, does a bit of research and then brings that back to the group And it is my turn to report on the topic this week.
Starting point is 00:02:50 Isn't it crazy that all of our listeners are really hot? We have a very big vetting system. If you're listening, you're not aware of it, but we are, and we know how hot you are, so congratulations. It's like a sorority. We look at pictures of you and your intras, so we go, yay or nay. And for everyone listening, it was three big yay's. So well done. We actually bought Zuckerberg's early technology. The pre-facebook, Facebook, that's what we use.
Starting point is 00:03:20 The Facebook. We always start with a question. And to get us on the topic, this is my question for both of you. All right, I'm going to give you a bit of a list here. What do the following things all have in common? Okay. Okay, we've got the Chicago Cubs. Okay, Curse. Well, you've already got it. Give me the numbers. Alright, just fuel benefit. I was going to say the power ranges, the Otsi Iceman, and finally,
Starting point is 00:03:56 Tutankhamon. Oh, they're all past episodes of our stave. That's the other thing. Have we done episodes on all these? Apart from the Cubs. Yes, because we're going to talk about that today. They've all been cursed. We are talking about the curse of the Billy goat. Oh, okay. Do you either have anything about this?
Starting point is 00:04:18 Confused. Matt went straight to curse. I'm thinking that maybe you got a bit of info here. I, well, no, I just know that so is the curse of the Billy goat, that is the Chicago C to curse. I'm thinking that maybe you got a bit of info here. I well no I just know that so is the curse of the Billy goat that is the Chicago Cubs curse? It definitely is Yeah, right. No, I I knew that were cursed But and I'm similar to the curse of the great bambini it We're gonna talk about that as well. Yeah, okay. Yeah, which is another baseball curse I don't know why they came to my mind That's well, yeah. Okay, yeah, which is another baseball curse. I don't know why that came to my mind. I just know that we're on that a huge losing streak. It was so much so that it was a joke
Starting point is 00:04:51 in back to the future that in the future, the Cubs won the World Series. That's right. Yes, that's absolutely right. And that's because of the curse of the Billygate, which we will get to. This one was suggested by three beautiful people and voted for by our Patreon supporters. So I put up our four sporting topics because
Starting point is 00:05:11 one of my favorite reports to research last year was the tale of two dream teams, the USA and Lithuania and the Olympics. So I put up four sporting topics and this one did win. So thanks everyone that voted and thanks to the people that suggested it, which is Daniel Garrett from Nashville, Tennessee, Troy Partridge from Adelaide, and Timothy Poulton also from South Australia. So thank you very much. All right, well let's jump in now baseball as Matt is alluded to, has a long series of curses. It's a very cursed sport. Over the years, they've had the curse of the Bambeno that affected the Boston Red Sox, who
Starting point is 00:05:50 didn't win a championship for 86 years after selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees in the 1920s. Babe Ruth's nickname was the great Bambeno, so that's where that comes from. There's also the curse of the Colonel, which affected the Japanese team, the Han Shin Tigers. In 1985, fans celebrated their team winning the Japanese Championship Series, which is a massive deal in Japan. As each winning player was read out during celebrations, a drunken fan jumped into the
Starting point is 00:06:22 Dottenbori River. Each fan representing one of the players, that's the idea there. But finally, they got to American First Basement Randy Base or Randy Bass. I did look at it. But he was a Caucasian man with a beard and the Japanese fans didn't have anyone in the area who looked enough like him to jump in the river.
Starting point is 00:06:42 That's his representative. So instead, they grabbed a statue of the Colonel from a nearby KFC and threw it in the river instead. That's great. And that was a huge mistake. The statue sank and a curse was subsequently placed on them for disrespecting the Colonel. What? They did not win a championship after that.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Was anybody surprised with Statue Sank? They're like, oh, that's a bit odd, isn't it? They put clothing on him. Statue Sank. And a sword? Oh, how are we doing? Didn't we talk about it in a Patreon bonus episode that, um, was it Japan that really got in a cafe at Christmas time?
Starting point is 00:07:27 Yeah, that's why I'm not. I mean, big deal, millions of Japanese people visit cafe season Christmas. Some of these other, um, curses we're talking about lasted for nearly a century. Did you say 2015? No, 1985. Oh, okay, that's longish. That is longish. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:07:44 In my head, I'm like, not an 85, it's longish. That is longer. Shut it in my head. I'm like not an 85 is only six years ago. Well, fans believe that as long as you have. That's true. Fans believe the curse would live on until someone retrieved the kernel from the river. Several attempts were made to recover the statue, including sending divers down and dredging the river. But sadly sadly they all failed. I mean, press they knew that it was at the bottom, because they seemed very surprised that it sank. They were so so so. They can't find it, geez, that sounds, yeah, what's going on here?
Starting point is 00:08:16 That sounds more than a curse. Well, fans attempted to make amends by apologizing to the store manager, but the... A 16 year old. It does keep you two. It does a manager-based curse. It's all right. Don't worry about it. We got another one.
Starting point is 00:08:31 I mean, Amazon being like, I'd like to apologize to the manager. Sorry? What? Karen? That's never happened. This is new. As someone who was for a while, a manager in retail, that has never happened. I'd like to apologize to the manager.
Starting point is 00:08:46 No, no, no, no, no. Dave, do you think that the guy, the basement surname being bass, is that an example of normative determinism? Yeah, I think it might be. Oh my God. Now that you've finally brought it up and it's been kind of close, are you going to keep bringing it up every time? Have I broken the curse? Potentially. Sadly for Mr. Basie, he played in the outfield, so no in the river.
Starting point is 00:09:17 But the polydose of the store manager, but the statue remained in the canal and the tiger's remained cursed. Before finally in 2009, the statue was found and recovered from the river in multiple pieces. However, the statue was missing an arm and the Colonel's glasses and fans worry that until the statue was made whole again, they won't win another series. They've made the championship final three times since but have lost each time. Damn you, Colonel, damn you. That's incredible. I love that. Jeez, the odds of ever finding the glasses again,
Starting point is 00:09:52 not strong. I don't understand, what do you mean glasses to have, what kind of statuism? I think it's, I know you think you went concrete, but I'm thinking that maybe it's one of those, like plastic, he ones out the front of. Like a Ronald McDonald. Yes, I think it's like, but I'm thinking that maybe it's one of those plasticy ones out the front of. Like a Ronald McDonald.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Yes, I think it's like that. Which is still... You think a picture with. Would still probably sink, I reckon. Yeah. But if they're hollow inside. Hmm. Okay, I'll take back some of my criticisms, but others remain.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Yeah, well, and so does that curse, but we're not here to talk about fried chicken. We're here to talk about disgruntled goats, little, uh, little Simpson's reference there. But first, we've got to talk a little bit about how Major League Baseball works. Now, Matt, you've got a team seemingly in every league and every sport in the entire world. Do you have a team in the MLB? Go to Troid Tigers. Nice. I made a deal years ago with an American traveler. He was in Australia and he said he'd start going over the Saints in the AFL. If I got on board his Major League Baseball team, which was the Troid Tigers. And yes, I've supported them ever since, I've And you know, I've got their app on my phone
Starting point is 00:11:05 that haven't been good for quite a while, but you know, I keep up to date with them. They play so many games in baseball. Oh, it's mind blowing. It's for a team that isn't very good. That means a lot of losses. Oh, I never thought about life. You stop playing, please, you're losing.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Please. Can we just You stop playing, please. You're losing. Please. Can we just end the season, please? They're going, like feeling feels like slightly better than they have been this year, but still like towards the bottom of the table. But yeah, I don't know of any curses that they've had. They don't exist. That's true.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Sometimes you're unknowingly cursed. That's the worst kind. Yeah, I wouldn't surprise me if they were cursed based on their latter positions. Do you feel like you cursed your American friend by making him follow the saints? Yeah, I think we cursed each other. Although he's seen at least a few good years, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:01 where this was back before our grand finals 10 years ago. So, at least he had some close to glory days. Now, I only must admit here, I only vaguely understood terms like the World Series and how the league and its divisions worked before this. So, for the sake of the curse and explaining it, just to set up any baseball noobs like me and set them straight here, this is what I've learned. Jess, I don't know. Your baseball knowledge, probably second to none, I imagine. I've seen a league of their own.
Starting point is 00:12:37 It's all I require. A great film. Madonna, Rosio Donald. Need I say more? Probably. Go on. Rosio Donald need I say more probably go on Gina Davis He pisses on the boat so long in the room He's pisses by the boat in the rooms. Thank you. He's pissing and he's pissing just nonstop Great moment. You create Hollywood movement moment ladies playing baseball It'll never work the boys boys ain't here. Come on, gal. Does it? Is that a sadder point? Women don't play baseball. Yeah. That's a good movie.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Great movie. So yes, Dave, I know baseball. I thought you did. So this is for me and for anyone like me at home, any fellow point de. So, Major League Baseball, like the NBA is broken into two divisions, the American League and the National League. But unlike the NBA, it's not geographically based. Both teams are both sides are all over the USA and one team in Canada, the Toronto Blue Jays. These days there are 15 teams in each of the two leagues who play their own regular seasons, which in 2021 is an unbelievable 162 games. What? Yeah. And that's before playoffs in the World Series, everyone's playing a lead time off season. Yeah, go for about 15 minutes and then you get back out there
Starting point is 00:14:06 Logistically how are they playing like three games a week more? statistically get the fuck out No, thank you No, please I'm tired thinking about it. Oh, it's absolutely wild isn't it? That's too much They play a lot of double headers, don't they? Maybe triple headers, they have to play triple headers. Still.
Starting point is 00:14:30 They have to play like, oh, we've got to go at 3am on a Tuesday, just to fucking fit it in. And then are people going to that? That's crazy. And it doesn't end there at the end of each regular season, which is the 162 games. Five of each league go to the postseason.
Starting point is 00:14:46 We're one of each team is named either American League or National League Champion. You can honestly go get fucked. That is too much. And then it doesn't end there, Jess. The champions of the American League play against the champions of the National League in the World Series. And this... Oh, World Series, the Champions of the American League play against the Champions of the National League in the World Series.
Starting point is 00:15:07 And this... Oh, World Series, yes, of course. That we all go to the world, we're all there. And that's a best of seven games. Get the fuck out! It doesn't make any sense. And then the team that wins the World Series is the Champion of Major League Baseball.
Starting point is 00:15:24 So that's how it works. The Champion of the entire universe. And then everyone gets a wins the world series is the champion of Major League Baseball. So that's how it works. The entire universe. And then everyone gets a rest for about. That's too much. What do you mean? What do they get to rest? You get two hours off, you go to the mall and then you go back out there. Okay, that's too much. Do baseball players get paid quite well? Incredibly well, yep.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Do they really? Millions. Good for them. Some of them. I still wouldn't do it. Couldn't pay me enough. If you're like, Jess, I need you to sit down 140 times this year. I'd be like, you got it, Chief.
Starting point is 00:15:55 No problem. I'll do that for a million bucks. That's silly. I'm sure there's a lot of baseball fans out there angry at me now. I'm just saying, like, work life balance people. Have a little bit of you to switch off, you know? You probably love baseball.
Starting point is 00:16:12 That's why you are a professional baseball player. But now he's at not a little ruined for you. But there's no value I can put on that, for example. If you were Mookie Betts from the Los Angeles Dodgers, yes, his name is Mookie Betts. And amazing. Got a 12-year contract, $365 million US dollars. He's getting paid 30 million a season or 187,000 a game. Yeah, I reckon that's worth it.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Getting that a bit for that. I mean, I mean, I figured figured not for 12 years though, Murf, I figured obviously like even in AFL this, the base salary is good. And then you'd have like your big players who are making quite a lot of money, but that's in a lot of other primordial and stuff. That's fucking wild. Yeah, nothing like that. He'd be getting the AFL's full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full AFLs full... full play of poems just to play. Yeah. Every play.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Oh, that's true. Good on you, Mookie. I've looked up my boys, the Tigers, while that I haven't done this before, or if I have a... They won the World Series in 1935, 1945, 1968, and 1984. Oh, so close to 69. Oh, I can't believe that have been. But they played in the World Series as recently as 2012, Oh.
Starting point is 00:17:35 losing to the giants. Do you remember that? No, I don't know how I missed that. That's a pretty shitty app you got there. Hey Dave, I'll tell you what, if you remember 2012, you weren't really there. That was crazy times back then. 2012.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Well, I thought the world was ending. Yeah. I shouldn't last time I listened to them minds. All right. So that's how baseball works, which brings us to the talk of today's report, the Chicago Cubs. Now, when I say Chicago, something come to mind. The windy city.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Chicago style improv. I did two levels of it, actually, personally. So yeah, give me a scene. Okay, you're in Chicago. Okay. Hello, there I'm in Chicago. It me a scene. Give me a card. Okay. Hello there. Oh, man. Chicago. Oh, it's pretty windy. And saying did it bang like that.
Starting point is 00:18:31 God. It was like I was transported. Yeah. That's right. Where did you want to play there? Oprah Winfrey. You are truly very good. Oprah Winfrey. You got to start there or not a stop. That's where she blew up. I think she blew up. She blew up. She blew up. You don't remember that.
Starting point is 00:18:47 You did not put that in the room. That's big. How do you miss that? Yeah. She blew up. She exploded. Good grief. And Hugh Haffner, didn't he start his porn company there?
Starting point is 00:19:02 Are I getting the first porn Pawn Palace was there, whatever you called it, Playboy House. Pawn Palace, about that. Pawn Palace. Well, the carbs were originally known as the Chicago White Stockings. Whoa. And that's where they curse.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Well, I found it in 1876, one of eight inaugural teams in the National League. They even won the first ever National League Championship. And one of sports first dynasties winning six of the first 11 championship titles. Wow. So they're pretty old for American sport, 1876. Yeah. They're almost as old as the St. Kool-A-Saints, who started early that decade in 1873.
Starting point is 00:19:44 Oh, there you go. There you go. There you go. Well, Major League Baseball and the World Series came together in 1903, putting the two leagues together. The Cubs continued their success and won the World Series in 1906 and 1907. So they, they're very successful early on. They had continued success over the next few decades, especially in their division, winning American League penance, which means that they won their division in 1918 and a hugely impressive four penance in a 10-year span,
Starting point is 00:20:16 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938. Huge. Between 1876 and 1945, the Cubs were one of the most successful teams in all of North America. They had 51 winning seasons, 16 first place finishes, 16 penance and world series appearances, two world series titles and six championship titles. But it all changed on one fateful day in 1945. all changed on one fateful day in 1945. Ooh. I felt like it needed an ooo. Was that a good instinct? Very appropriate. Thank you so much. The year.
Starting point is 00:20:51 You know who won the World Series that year? My boys. Great year 1944. I had a 45 in the world. Was it? Yeah. Wars ended. World Series were one. Everyone's partying. Doing the bloody jitterboggled down the street. Well, 1945. Chicago Cubs again won their 16th pennant, and again made the World Series
Starting point is 00:21:14 where they faced the Detroit Tigers. I shouldn't have looked it up, That would have been such an exciting moment. Now, the Cubs were and still are based at Rigglyfield, named after chewing gum magnate, William Riggly, Jr., who founded the Riggly company. So there you go. That's a good surname, Riggly. Yeah. Riggly gum name as well.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Yeah. Yeah. He was right. Perkins, not good for anything like that. No, maybe toilet cleaner. Perkins, because it's got a picture of a little buttloon. His name is Perkins, not good for anything like that. Ah, maybe toilet cleaner. Perkins, because it's got a picture of a little butler and his name is Perkins. Perkins is a great butler name.
Starting point is 00:21:50 Yeah, and cleans your butt. Ah, yes. Wait, what do you do with toilet cleaner, man? Yeah. You put that in your butt? Yeah, cut out the middle man. I'm very thrifty in that way. That's actually not bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:07 That way I never go to the toilet. A gentleman never shits. A Rickley himself also bought the cubs in the 1920s. Very wealthy man, very influential around Chicago. Rickley Field is nicknamed the Friendly Confines. Okay. Confines, doesn't say that friendly. I know. That's a phrase popularized by nicknamed Mr. Cub, Hall of Fame shortstop and First Basement Ernie Banks.
Starting point is 00:22:36 So the friendly confines will come back to that nickname a little bit later. Oh, a bit of sizzle. A bit of sizzle. So they're in the 1945 World Series against everyone's least favorite team that are trod tigers. Did you know that I went for the tigers when you asked the question? No, I didn't. And I didn't write.
Starting point is 00:22:53 I must say I've just added that into, had a bit of extra razz. I have no idea if people over there hate the tigers or what. I'm assuming because I haven't been good for so long that people don't probably don't hate them. You're not seeing us as a threat. Yeah. Do they pity you more than anything, Gregor? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:23:12 84, it's not that long ago. It's no 1966, for instance, like the St. Kilda Saints. Well, start calling them the St. Kilda Saints. But they were in 1966 today. Yeah, 66. Ah! Have you ever heard that before?
Starting point is 00:23:25 It's good to learn new fact, isn't it? Yeah. Hope that comes up, I can use that as some sort of trivia. That'll be fun. Yeah, maybe one more. Announce that at your workplace. Oh, this is my workplace. So...
Starting point is 00:23:38 I'd be great if you could announce it to us at some state. I'll say that, yeah. Alright, so 1945 World Series, the Cubs lead the Tigers two games to one and a hosting game for, remember, special seven on their home ground and things are looking good for the Cubs. Fans of course want to go along and cheer on their boys, including William, Billy Goat, Shannis, owner of the local Billy Goat Tavin. Okay, that's why I call him Billy Goat. He's a man of... Also because he's named William. Yeah, well, we'll explain the name because he's a man of Greek descent.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Siannis bought the Tavin in 1934 when it was called the Lincoln Tavin. Apparently, he bought a for $205 with a bounced check and the proceeds from the first weekend they were open we used to pay for the bounce check. Wow, that's a good deal. $205. You had yourself off in one week. Yeah, if you can pay it off in one weekend, you've got a good deal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:36 So the Billy Goat Tavin, it's still a thing, it's quite a famous venue for a few reasons. According to the Billy Goat's official website, the venue and its owner became known as Billy Goat when quote, a goat fell off a passing truck and wandered inside. That's fucking great. That's so good. Imagine just sitting in a bar having a drink and a goat walks in. That would be so funny. You'd go home, you'd tell all your friends. I couldn't, I wouldn't be able to wait. In this day and age, I'd be taking a picture,
Starting point is 00:25:08 I'd be sending you in the group chat about guys. A goat just walked into this pub. Come on down, see this goat. This is the best day of my life. Well, Ciannis adopted the goat, grew a goat to himself, and acquired the nickname Billy Goat, and then changed the name of the bar to the Billy Goat tavern.
Starting point is 00:25:24 He really leaned in. Yeah, he became his whole thing. I like that a lot. Have you seen there's a video I keep seeing on Facebook of this little girl pointing out the window and it's good in Australia, like she says to her mum, there's a fucking goat outside. Yeah, the one says no, go. It's just a goat, she goes, no, it's a fucking goat. Very funny. Very good stuff. Very funny. Very good stuff. Very good, very good stuff. I was sure there'd be a goat walks into a bar joke
Starting point is 00:25:51 and they're not good. I found two of the same one. A goat walks into a bar, bartender says, we don't serve kids. So just for anybody who was halfway through tweeting, I'm so disappointed you missed an opportunity there. There really wasn't much there to work with. Can you explain that joke?
Starting point is 00:26:10 Was there like a child riding the goat? Or what do they mean by a kid? See, the thing is actually Dave, that a baby goat, like a youthful goat, is actually called a kid. What? Much like a puppy is a small dog. A small goat is actually called a kid. So the bar owner won't seven underage goat, is that what they mean? If they get to a certain age, you're poor. So it's actually a bit of a play on words. I think it's what you would call a pun. And by that I mean there is a,
Starting point is 00:26:45 there are two meanings for kit. There is of course a small human, like a child, who legally I'm not able to be served at a bar if they're not accompanied by a guardian. Okay. And even then they cannot be consuming alcohol on premises. Right. But then on the flip side of that, it's a small goat. So what's walked in is a kid. Oh. Yeah, it's actually quite funny. Yeah, you're right, that is very funny. I found another one.
Starting point is 00:27:15 This one's maybe, I want you to explain it to me. Maybe, maybe slightly better. A goat walks in or a bar in order to be here. The bartender says, that'll be $10, please. And No offense, but we don't get too many goats coming in here. And the mountain goat says, no shit, $10 a beer. It's not hard to see why. Was there some little small child riding that billy goat? Well, again, from the Billy Goat Tavons website, the Republican Convention came to town in
Starting point is 00:27:48 1944 and Billy Goat, the guy that owns the bar, posted a sign saying, no Republicans allowed. This caused the Tavon to be packed with Republicans demanding to be served and led to local fame for the savvy Billy Goat being called a publicity stunt master. But it was in 1945 that the tavern was really put on the map. So game four of the world series we're back there, Cubs are playing at Rikli Field, Billy Goat goes along and he buys two tickets, one for himself and one for his pet goat Murphy. He thought the goat would bring his team good luck. That's the plan. Oh God. Now there's a couple of versions of this story, but most go Billy goat got to the gate where he was stopped and told he wasn't allowed to bring in Murphy. There's no animals allowed inside the park.
Starting point is 00:28:40 What you can't take a goat to a base car game. What a fucking nanny state. But this isn't any good. Nanny gets a state of a rough, yes. That ain't any good state. Um, no. But you really seem to enjoy it. Well, I wasn't sure. I wasn't even sure of a nanny goat. Is it a kind of goat? No. I was hoping that Jess would explain it, but she got... Nanny goat, it's a mum goat mom go they called nanny go is it That's why you didn't find that very very funny Is that a thing? They're not called nanny go. Are they not? Doesn't matter. They're not called nanny gods
Starting point is 00:29:18 Yeah, first thing a type why type nanny in a Google the first thing that comes up is Nanny Goat. Second is Nanny McFee. 100%. Nanny Goat. Mine is Nanny McFee, Nanny Mel, but Nanny McFee casts. I get Nanny McFee too, so. Frick. What is Nanny Goat?
Starting point is 00:29:38 Even before I get Nanny Goat, I get Nanny Goat Pinot Noir. It's a female goat, Jess. Nanny Goat, female goat. Okay, It's a female goat, Jess. Nanny goat, female goat. Okay, yes, that is fucking funny then. That is very good. And I'm actually quite genuinely impressed. You had that locked and loaded. Well done.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Because I've never heard Nanny goat before in my life. And then Matt, you had that fucking good joke and I just stared at you blood glue like a piece of shit. I gave you nothing for that. That was so funny. That is state and that is God's state. That fucking great. And I ruined it for you.
Starting point is 00:30:18 I'm so sorry. I didn't even clear up big genuine. Yeah. Yeah. It's sounding so, so. I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did it, I did cruel. That is unfair. I do apologize for that. That's very funny. Dave, did you need me to explain that to you? No, I think I'm right on this one. Thanks, mate.
Starting point is 00:30:53 So he's brought the goat with him to Rigglyfield. He's got a ticket, but he says he can't bring it in. But he's got a ticket for the goat. He's bought a ticket. What do you people want? He's a bloody nanny goat, say. I'm very good. So Billy goat, he appeals directly to the club owner, PK Riggly, the chewing gum man, asking him why he couldn't
Starting point is 00:31:14 take his personal mascot to the game. Riggly allegedly told him because of the goat's stinks. Okay, give it some chewy then. Oh. You're the chewy man. You're the fresh man out the back. Yeah, I just realized that one of the other brands of chewing gum is PK.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Is that after him as well? Oh, yeah, yeah. This guy is chewing gum. His middle name is not Hubba Bubba, is it? PK Hubba Riggly. That's fun to say. Junior, so this too. So, Sianis, the go-downer, he's deeply offended. He apparently said, as he's leading the go-d away, the Cubs ain't going to win no more. The Cubs will never win a World Series so long as the goat is not allowed in
Starting point is 00:32:05 Wrigley Field. Oh, holy shit. He took his goat and he went home. Wow. See, so did he know he had the power to do a genuine curse? Well, I mean, why would you? Why would you say it if you didn't know? Yeah, exactly. Be a weird thing to say. It immediately started coming true because the Cubs lost the game
Starting point is 00:32:25 or only scoring one run. It went to seven games this year but the Cubs lost. So they lost the World Series. Good news for the Tigers, Matt. That's amazing. So the Tigers were the beneficiaries of the curse.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Of the curse you never would have won without this Billy Goat. So, you know, you're welcome. Thank you so much. So they lost the World Series and Billy Goat. So, you know, you're welcome. Thank you so much. So they lost the World Series and Billy Goat sent Riggly a telegram saying, who stinks now? Very good. That's so good. The curse of the Billy Goat had just been placed and it wouldn't lift for decades.
Starting point is 00:33:09 For the next 20 years throughout the remainder of the owner of the tavern's life, the Cubs would finish each season at 5th place all lower, nowhere near qualifying. Wow. And over the years, the team's lack of success made the legend grow and grow, and many incidents have been tied to the curse of the Billy Goat. For example, in September 1969, the Cubs played against the New York Mets. Both were in high-contention to win the pennant and get a shot at the World Series. The Cubs actually had the better record, but at the game, a stray black cat walked between the Cubs captain of Freigen Mirrors.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Would you believe it? The cat walked between Cubs captain Rodd Santo and the Cubs dug out. They would end up losing the game 7 to 1. Had the curse read its ugly head in the form of a black cat. Yes. Yeah, cat. Yes. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. They were knocked out and the mets went on to win the World Series.
Starting point is 00:34:09 So yeah, I think so. Wow. Cut to 1984 and to quote from MLB.com because I love baseball talk. Quote. The carbs seemingly had it all during the 1984 season. A national audience on WGN, a superstar in Ryan Sandberg, and a bona fide ace in Rick Sutcliffe, who came over in a trade deadline deal.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Love those names. Ryan Sandberg, ace Rick Sutcliffe, they've got it all. Yeah. The season even began with the Cubs humorously tempting fate by bringing a billy goat onto the field for opening day. And actually, it seemed to pay off. They finished the season with the best win record in the National League.
Starting point is 00:34:53 That meant that they had a home ground advantage in their matchup with the San Diego Padres. People were expecting big things for the Cubs. First time in decades, they got a huge shot here, huge shot. They won the first two games and were just one victory away from the World Series. But the part raised one games three and four, so it all came down to game five, winner takes all. The winner takes it all. Did you pause that knowing I would sing? Did you say 1960 and I'm before you did not pause for us to say nice. And I was like, it's like Dave doesn't even know it.
Starting point is 00:35:26 Sorry, I tried to, I even, I handballed you, Chicago, the windy city. I know you. I know you. You do. So they're down to game five. The cubs were up three runs to two. When the curse again struck. No. Would they let it go into the stadiums?
Starting point is 00:35:44 Two black cats. Second black cats, bad it go into the stadiums? Two black cats. Second black cats, bad news on Friday the 13th. Oh my God. No. I can't believe it. Oh no. It couldn't be any worse. Well, first baseman Leon Durum, let a ground ball go so the ball runs along his ground. Sorry, the ball runs along the ground.
Starting point is 00:36:01 He's ground. Well, he should have been covering that ground, but he let it go through his glove. It went between his legs, allowing the Padres to score a run. They went on to win the game, knocking out the Cubs. To quote again from MLB, legend has it that a cooler field with Gatorade was spilled in the Cubs dugout before game five, soaking Durham's first basements club. Did a sticky mint hinder Durham's ability to make that fateful play in the bottom of the seventh? Sticky Mip is funny. No, I think that after winning. Not before losing. They did it backwards. I also really enjoy Padres as a as a team name. I like
Starting point is 00:36:44 that very much. Is that what is that name Papa? Is that what part of my father? Yeah, they're the daddy's. I like that a lot. You should start a team called the daddy's Jess. The Melbourne daddy's. All right. The Melbourne baseball team is currently called the Aces.
Starting point is 00:37:01 Why don't we get in contact and say we want to change the name to the Daddy's. The Daddy's, the Melbourne Daddy's. Melbourne Mummy's bit of a bit of a bit of a moderation there. Yes. It was also just a bunch of mumps. Yeah fantastic. Everybody brings the oranges. This too many oranges. Mums can play baseball to juice. No. He can't. As a feminist, I'm sorry. There are a lot of people who have to be here. I'm sorry, you actually don't understand.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Once you have children, you no longer have a personality or interest. Sporting powers. Or value outside of raising said children. And if you do anything, anything at all, good or bad, people gonna judge, and it's a lot of fun. Well, I think you should look up someone called Serena Williams. Oh, wow, is she a baseball player? God, man, if you wanted to, you do. It's honestly, yeah, one athlete.
Starting point is 00:37:59 It's incredible. So just to finish the Gatorade glove, sure some people say he'd already accepted six chances at first base without any trouble. But Curse Believer's believed Chicago was cursed and that the glove was yet another nail in the coffin. Because his glove was a bit sticky. Yeah, it's a sticky glove.
Starting point is 00:38:20 I mean, obviously that's a curse, right? Obviously. It feels a bit like, and I use this a lot since I re-loaned it. Confirmation bias. Oh, okay. Well, let me confirm that bias by giving you yet another example. Like, okay. Because it is a powerful curse, yes. You've got to understand this. I shouldn't be crossing this curse. Sometimes it even curses players after they've left the team.
Starting point is 00:38:44 Oh my gosh. Can you play it a second? Are you saying people that played for the Cubs a long, long time ago have since died? Yes, that's right. People from that 1945 team are no longer with us. Whoa. What? Dave, you didn't mention this at the start. Sorry, I didn't want to.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Now I understand. I didn't want to look biased, but there you go. The hairs on the back of my neck are standing up. So, so's the hair on your beard and it looks real weird. I'm very self conscious of that, Dave. This should be. It's weird. Okay, powerful curse. In 1984, Bill Buckner played for the Chicago Cubs for seven seasons, before being traded to the Boston Red Sox. The Red Sox were also facing the curse of the great Bambino at the
Starting point is 00:39:31 time, so there was a lot of curses going on in the baseball. But things were looking good for his new team, the Red Sox, because they made it to the World Series Final. They were playing against the Metz, and were up three games to two and were only one win away from the elusive championship. The game went to overtime and the Red Sox looked poised to take it all. They only had to get one player out to win. The champagne was literally on ice and being prone to be popped. That's how close to the win they were. They were confident. Bill Buckner, who used to play for the curbs, let's not forget this, was on first base. When Mookie Wilson hit the ball slowly along the ground straight to Buckner, who if he grabbed it, it would get Mookie out. Buckner went for the ball, but he missed it. The ball rolled to the left side of his glove,
Starting point is 00:40:25 glove through his leg. He's club! Yes, he got gloved. Into a shallow right field, allowing Ray Knight to run home and win the game. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. It was one of the most controversial plays in baseball history.
Starting point is 00:40:40 People still talk about this. Why was it controversial? Because he's like a, supposedly a really great player, but he fucked up at the worst possible time. So there wasn't controversy beyond him fucking up. No, it was just basically this, despite being a fantastic baseball player, like this is what he's known for.
Starting point is 00:40:57 They weren't saying they reckon he had money on the other team or anything like that. No, nothing like that, no, no. But he obviously copped it from the press and from fans, he received boo money on the other team or anything like that. No, nothing like that, no, no. But he obviously copped it from the press and from fans, you received booze on the day and death threats after this. Many at the time said it was another example of the curse of the great band Bino.
Starting point is 00:41:14 But remember, he'd started playing with the cubs. Photographs of that infamous day were later examined and when the image was enhanced. Oh my God. Guess what they found? Uh, a goat. Buckner. Goat shit. There was a goat shitting in his glove.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Yes, but there's a goat that startled him. It was full of goat shit. Now, what they found was, Buckner had been wearing a cub's batting glove under his glove at the moment he committed the error. The Billy Goat Curse had struck yet again. Will this dastardly goat stop at nothing? Wow. That was like a double bambini slash goat curse. Yeah. He had two cursed dogs. Wow. Hey Dave, you didn't mention before when the Padres beat the Cubs. Did the part out of the Padres go, they went under
Starting point is 00:42:06 the World Series, how that one go? Did they play against the Tigers? No, I'm not a player against the Tigers. Well, no one cares about them, the most hated team in baseball. Oh, no. No, what happened? Did the Tigers beat the Padres? Yeah, that's the last World Series, the Tigers of one, 84.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Great, the Padres. Congratulations. Thank you so much. One of one, 84. Great to pub drive. Congratulations. Thank you so much. One of my great, well-earned, great memory for me. All right, one of the most infamous incidents of the curse happened in 2003. And this is known as the Steve Bartman incident. Oh, less catchy, but what are you talking about? Do the Bartman. That was a great hit song. Oh, take it back. Do the Steve Bartman.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Do not do the Steve Bartman. It will not go well for you. Is this ghost shit? Is it ghost shit involved? Well, they could be. If we enhance the... And hands. But it all happened during the 2003
Starting point is 00:43:02 National League Championship series. It was the Cubs versus the Florida Marlins. What do you think of that, Jess? Marlins. No. Oh, no from Jess. Makes me think of the dad in finding Nemo. It is a kind of fish, isn't it, Marlin?
Starting point is 00:43:18 Yes. Yes. Is his dad called Marlin? Marlin. Right. Marlin. Oh, that's one of those words, if you say it too many times, it sounds so... What's your name, a clan fish after a different kind of fish?
Starting point is 00:43:29 Big beautiful Marlon fish. Marlon. Yeah, I don't know. There's sort of big pointy ones, kind of beautiful game fish. Marlon. Marlon. Marlon. Can you hear this? Marlon. Marlon. Marlon. Yeah, Marlon's a great looking, they got a big pointy nose. What is, sorry. Marlon. Marlon. That's dumb. Are you saying the same word?
Starting point is 00:43:55 Marlon. Marlon. Marlon. Marlon Brando. Oh, Marlon Fisch. Marlon Fisch, that's a great name. Change is everything. Sorry, I do wrong. I'm back in board. I don't like Marlon. What's a great name. Change is everything. I'm back in board.
Starting point is 00:44:06 I'm back in board. I don't like Marlon. What are we talking about again? I was talking about the National League Championship series Cubs versus Florida Marlins, 2003. This is the Steve Bartman incident. It occurred in the eighth innings of Game 6 of the National League Championship series. The Chicago leading three runs to zero.
Starting point is 00:44:28 They're holding a three games to two lead in a best of seven series. If the Cubs win this game, they would win the pen and go to the world series. I haven't done that in a long time. Fans are getting hopeful again. Was that a mistake? Well, when you cursed, absolutely. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream.
Starting point is 00:44:49 The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream.
Starting point is 00:44:58 The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. The daring to dream. It was John Farnham, Olivia Newton John. Oh wow, what a powerful duo. And they are walking through the athletes, like high five, and then the Aussies are going absolutely fucking nuts,
Starting point is 00:45:11 obviously, John Farnham, Olivia Newton John. Well, every other country is like, who the hell are they? Who are these old people? They are royally different. I reckon they know Olivia Newton John from a little movie called Grace. Yeah, I was gonna say probably more John Farnham said, who's that old man hanging out with living in Newton, John?
Starting point is 00:45:27 I want John Phanam to adopt me. He just seems rad. Anyway, sorry, but when you say did a dream, that's just going to come into my hands. I actually think John Phanam is featured on the soundtrack to the film, Rad. Fun fact, well, I'll leave that up to you. If I knew what that was, I would say that's pretty fun. I think it's a BMX movie that I've never seen that my cousin always talks about.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Your cousin always talks about. He always goes on about Rad. He can never find it. This movie, Rad. I don't know if he sure it exists. He reckons John Farnley played in one of the key scenes, maybe playing the winners. Yes. And he just brought it up like everyone would know it. I never mind not even in the soup. What are you talking about? I should never look it up. I should look it up. He talks about it all. Apparently it's not easy to find. Unless your cousin doesn't have access to the internet. No, I'm not going to talk about that.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Thank you for. Definitely a film. Yeah. That's such a funny and specific conversation you've had with your cousin. Apparently, multiple times about a John Farnham song appearing in this film that he cannot find, that you've never seen or looked up, but you brought it up, assuming we would go, ah, it's a fun fact about the right. I just needed to look up wikipedia.org, it's got its own page, it's a 1986 American sports film. No, I can't find it anywhere. And I've just done a page search for Farnham. And he's here. The soundtrack features various artists, including John Farnham in his pre-Whispering Jack days.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Farnham's Break the Ice was featured on a special list of the best songs from the 80s action film montages that appeared on music website, No Echo. That's specific. that appeared on music website, no echo. That's specific. LAUGHTER Well, thank you so much for that fun fact. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:47:32 That's qualified, that is fun. We've got to finally one over a few people who are baseball fans, like, I'm going to give this podcast a go, and they have not made it this far. You don't think there's a big crossover between 1980s, John Farnham fans and Madeleine baseball fans? But I don't think John Farnham fans would know that movie or song. I think it's pretty obscure.
Starting point is 00:47:53 I've never heard the song Break the Ice by John Farnham. I don't know that one. Sounds like it breaks the ice between you and your cousins. You only think you ever talk about it. Do you even know your cousin? This is all he's talking about. I want to call it up. You've had one conversation 20 years ago about this.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Do you have his phone number? Well, I can get it. I'll ask my mom. I'll ask my mom. Mom? Mom's always having everybody around. I'm trying to get in the role of X. Yeah, funny.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Yeah. All right, I've got to take you back to Bartman. It's Cubs, Marlins. Cubs, very close. They're five outs away from reaching the world series for the first time since the Billy Goat curse them way back in 1945 and it's tense in the stadium. The Cubs are pitching.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Louis, Cassidy. Sorry, people have put up tense, have they? Yeah, they're camping out. Did I also tell you that the 162 games go for five days each? So one season lasts many years. Oh, wow. So it's like a festival. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:56 That's fine. There's a festival vibe in the stadium. Cubs are pitching. Louis Castillo from the Marlins was at the bat with one out and teammate Juan Pierre on second base. In the crowd was Steve Bartman, a 26 year old global human resources company worker from Chicago.
Starting point is 00:49:15 He sat in aisle 4, row 8, seat 11, which is the front row along the left field corner of Rigglyfield. He's a Cubs fan, he's wearing a blue Cubs hat, classic Walkman style headphones. Oh yeah, love those. Remember those sort of the little foamy sort of tight ones? Yeah, they kind of headphones. I would have listened to John Pharnam's break the ice. Oh, from that film, Rad.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Rad, fucking that's rad. I love a BMX film. He's also wearing glasses and a green turtleneck poking out from underneath a black jumper. Okay. He's sitting there enjoying the game and minding his own business. He had no idea that what was about to happen
Starting point is 00:49:58 would change his life forever. Oh, I hope for the best. He pooped his pants. Goat pooped his pants. He goat pooped his pants. This is a human poop in my pants. What's happening? What's happening to me? I pooping goat poop. I'm sorry, my poop is turning into goat poop. I'm stupid. Arrl, Stine's done it again. Oh, I'm stupid. RL's time's done it again. So sit there.
Starting point is 00:50:29 I don't know if he's listening to John Farn and Wassie shits himself, but he's got something in the head. Mark prior from the Cubs pitches the ball. Castillo, Castillo hits it and sends a foul ball high into the sky. Cubs outfielder, Moses Alloo runs round to catch it. If he makes the catch, then the Cubs will be just four outs away from the World Series. It's one step closer. The ball comes right near where Bartman is sitting.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Alloo jumps up against the wall desperately trying to catch it. In this moment, Bartman and a bunch of fans around him also reach out to catch the ball. It glances Bartman's outstretched hand just as Loo is reaching out, so Bartman actually makes contact with Loo's mitt coming up from below. Oh no! But neither of them are able to grab it, and the ball is knocked back into the crowd and Cubs player Alu obviously cannot make the catch. And he is fucking furious.
Starting point is 00:51:32 He yells into the crowd, he throws his glove off in frustration, he looks so pissed off in the replay, like he's ready to kill someone, he's so pissed off. Now is that allowed? Well meanwhile the ball is grabbed by a fan behind Bartman, so he didn even get he didn't even get the ball either. Do you mean is it is he allowed to kill someone? I think in that moment that's probably okay to kill. Is that actually in the rule? Justifiable. Well there's actually a self defense. No if you lean over the fence and knock the ball, is that okay? Yeah, well, there's a bit of confusion because the ball goes into the crowd, it's well
Starting point is 00:52:13 and truly up for grabs and everyone hopes to catch a game ball. Yeah. The ham is all the time. But they're not supposed to interrupt the game and lean over the barrier. And in this instance, it's very tight. Bartman was right on the edge. Did he lean over? Yeah, maybe a little bit. He leaned over a little bit, but he certainly isn't leaning right, like, right over. He's sort of a bit over. Right. And is he a Cubby's fan
Starting point is 00:52:35 or is he a Florida fan? He's a Cub's fan. Oh, no. He wanted, he wanted ao to make the catch. He wanted to make the catch. Oh, what is he doing? That's so dumb. Oh no. Oh no. Oh. Well, the Cubs, they argued for a fan interference and that the catch should be awarded. They say that guy should be out. Because if someone in the crowd didn't touch it,
Starting point is 00:52:56 a loo definitely would have caught that. Is that what it looks like? Was falling into his mitt sort of thing? It's, he's definitely reaching and jumping up for it. So you can't, you probably couldn't say, definitely get it, but probably. So that's what the Cubs say. They say, let's say interference,
Starting point is 00:53:12 but Mike, ever at the umpire, rules that there's no interference because the ball had broken the plane of the wall, separating the field of play from the stands, and then it entered the stands. That call is still debated, but basically what it comes down to is the batter isn't out, it's just a foul ball. That is what a nightmare spot for that ref to be in, to have to make that call, that sucks. When you know that whatever you say, people are going to argue it and hate you. Maybe
Starting point is 00:53:42 loves that, maybe loves being hated. You know, I don't know it and hate you. Yeah. Maybe loves it. Maybe loves being hated. You know, I don't like to hate to love. Yeah. When I was talking before about RL Stein, writing a book about a man's shit turning into goat shit, I was actually meaning to reference animals. You know, there's picture books
Starting point is 00:53:59 where on the front it starts with like a kid and they become an animal. But on the front of this book, I picture, we just see a guy's pants and it starts as human shit and it's slowly morphs into goat shit. Is that a better, I've explained that better. I didn't want to pull you off on it, but at the time I did think, well, a terrifying thing if your shit turned into goat shit. That would be, that would be a goose bump. Oh no. How would you know? Oh, you, you don't know the difference between your shit and a goat shit. Yes, that tastes very different. Come on, mate.
Starting point is 00:54:36 One's got grass all the way through it. And the other one's a goat shit. Yes. What's hoping you'd go there? Great stuff, fantastic stuff. Shit chat, your favorite. Always. Animal shit is, you know, our farm animal shit I'm okay with. Okay. That's why it's a beautiful story. Human shit in a goat shit is great. Wish that'd happen to everyone's shit.
Starting point is 00:55:01 So. And hello to the new baseball listeners. Yes, this is kind of what the show is. To take you back to the baseball. So Barton is trying to catch it. He hasn't made it. It's a pivotal moment in the game. And to quote from the Guardian, the Cubs go to pieces.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Instead of closing the game out, they produce a comedy of errors and slide to an eight, three defeat. Oh, no. No. And sadly, a lot of people take it out on fan, Steve Buttman. Oh, I bet they do. Oh, God. Remember how I told you, Rigglyfield has nicknamed the friendly confines?
Starting point is 00:55:39 Yes. Well, that night it was anything but that. Oh, dear. Poor bastard. Oh, no. But, man, he stayed in his seat not knowing. So he just kept watching the game, not knowing that at home Fox is repeatedly broadcasting live shots of him between multiple replays of the foul ball.
Starting point is 00:55:58 So they keep cutting back to him in the crowd. Whoa. His face and outfit become pretty recognizable to the millions of people watching at home. People are dressing up as him for Halloween and stuff. Honestly, you could, that year you could. Wow. There were, there were no screens in the stadium at the time, so not many people at the actual game knew what he looked like until people at home called their friends at the stadium and described his outfit so people could recognize him. No. Fans chanted ass hole at him and Barton was pelted with drinks and other debris. No. No. It's so
Starting point is 00:56:38 awful. Security had to escort him out of the ground as stuff was thrown on him and in the footage I've seen people attacking photos of him with disposable codec cameras, it really feels like another time. Oh my god. And the Paul dude looks terrified, he's just trying to cover his face with his jacket. It's really awful. Oh boy. That's awful. And things get quickly out of hand, his name, address, and phone number are shared on Major League Baseball message boards. Almost. Almost instantly in 2003, yeah. How? How do they get that information?
Starting point is 00:57:11 Someone finds it out in Post-it. The mob descends and six police cars are called to his house. Get the fuck out. Because people turn up at his house. That's actually... Has he ever spoken about a Dave? I wanna know what he was thinking. Well, there's a fair bit more to talk about.
Starting point is 00:57:31 Oh, no. The Illinois governor, Rod Blago, Jevitch, who was later jailed for corruption, there's a bit of a wanker. He joked that Bartman should go into witness protection. Ah, funny joke. Classic. Not as good as the goat walking to the bar, protection. Uh-huh, funny joke. Classic. Not as good as the goat walking to the bar.
Starting point is 00:57:47 Oh, that's good stuff. That was truly a fucking mass of kids. Unappreciated by us idiots who would never heard it. Oh, I'm still so sick. Oh, the nanny goat fit very strong material at. Now, Bartman himself, remember, he's just some guy. He issues a public apology to try and abate them all So he issues this apology publicly says there are a few words to describe how awful I feel and
Starting point is 00:58:14 What I have experienced within these last 24 hours I am so truly sorry from the bottom of this cubs fans broken heart. Oh I ask that cubs fans everywhere redirect the negative energy that was that's been vented toward my family, my friends and myself into the usual positive support for our beloved team on their way to being National League champs. Oh, you poor thing. That sucks. And for that to happen, they would have to win the next game, which was the decider. So he'd be, yeah, he'd be burrowing harder than most for the win. Well, the Cubs manager Dusty Baker said,
Starting point is 00:58:48 we've got to win for this kid. For us, it's just a ball game. For him, it's the rest of his life. Yeah, holy shit. The Guardian also quoted his brother Martin, who said, he's really hurting right now. I love him so much. I'd give up a piece of my anatomy for him,
Starting point is 00:59:04 which is a weird way to phrase that's nice. Wow. It sounds like you're going to give him one of your balls. Maybe it would. I'd give up my balls. The left one, not the right one. That's the good one. I think I want kids. Yeah, you've always got a favorite. You've always got a favorite. That's true. Yeah, everyone's got a favourite, Testy. Yeah, everyone's got one of those. Oh, because of how many games they play in baseball, then they play the next game, the next day. So... That's honestly, have a fucking rest, would ya? That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:59:40 The Cubs go up early and take a 5-3 lead. Bartman looks like he's off the hook. But the curse strikes yet again. And the Cubs lose the game. Nine runs to five. No. The Marlins win and they go on to win the World Series. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:00:00 Bartman. Coral Bartman. He's advised by the police not to go to work and he goes into hiding. Oh my God. People's reaction to the guy is absolutely insane. Again, from the Guardian, death to Steve Martin, message boards are set up. Steve Martin is even copying it now. Sorry, Steve.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Steve Martin has to come out and say, I was not at the game, it's not me. I'm a wild and crazy guy, sure, but I had nothing to do with this incident. Please buy tickets to my show. Please show. To my banjo show. Sorry, death to Steve Bartman, message boards are set up as well as Steve Martin, I'm sure. There are pictures of Bartman in Sudan who say, bunker and mug shots of Bartman as the lead suspect
Starting point is 01:00:49 in the Washington, D.C. sniper shootings. Oh, my God. So people are losing their minds. The Cubs released a statement after the incident and after they were knocked out saying, Chicago Cubs would like to thank our fans for their tremendous outpouring of support this year. We are very grateful.
Starting point is 01:01:06 We would also like to remind everyone that games that are decided by what happens on the playing field, not in the stands. It is inaccurate and unfair to suggest that an individual fan is responsible for the events that transpired in game six. He did what every fan who comes to the ballpark tries to do, catch a foul ball in the stands
Starting point is 01:01:25 That's one of the things that makes baseball the special sport that it is This was an exciting season and we're looking forward to working towards an extended run of October baseball at Rigley Field That's a great message Many players also step forward and absolved Bartman of any guilt or contribution to the team's loss Pony out many other things that went wrong or for other mistakes that were made. It certainly wasn't this that was the be all and end all. But what happened to the ball? Well, it was grabbed by a Chicago lawyer
Starting point is 01:01:53 sitting behind Bartman and sold at auction in December 2003 to a restaurant or grant to Porter who paid $113,000 for it. Whoa! Straight away, too. There was, yeah, that for it. Oh, straight away too. So there was, yeah, that's the same year, right? Yeah, straight away. Wow, that's a spicy meatball.
Starting point is 01:02:11 A couple of, well, yeah, speaking of meatballs, a couple of months later, 2004, it was publicly detonated in a televised event by special effects expert Michael and Tieri. So they exploded it in an attempt to break the curse of the Billy Cove. He bought it for a hundred grand and exploded it. And then because he owned a restaurant, he cooked a spaghetti sauce with remnants of the bowl
Starting point is 01:02:37 used to boil in the water. So people can eat the special, they spoil me. Why would you want to do that? Eat the curse bowl. You're gonna have a bit of curse through you. You'll be shitting this curse out for days. And it's going to be goat shit. You can build on that. Well, there have been many attempts to break the curse over the years. Sam Sianis, the nephew of the Billy Goat man, himself, has taken goats to wriggle field many times in an attempt to break the curse, sadly to no avail.
Starting point is 01:03:09 He's come close. He went on opening day in 1984 and in 1989, both years in which the cubs went on to win their division. So it kind of works, but not quite. In 2007, it was reported that a butchered goat was hung from a statue of sports broadcaster Harry Caray to which the Chicago sometimes noted quote, if the pranks are intended to reverse the supposed Billy goat curse for the stunt, it doesn't appear to have worked. Well, just a butchered goat got hung from the thing, you know, so it's a bit of fun, even if the curse wasn't broken, at least something full on like that happened. Yeah, at least some meat just hung out in the open for a long
Starting point is 01:03:53 time. Well, they've called in priests from different religions that used holy water, nothing seems to work. And unbelievably, not even in 2015 when a team of competitive eaters ate an entire 40-pound goat in 13 minutes and 22 seconds. Oh, that's a great way to break your curse. They're just really rolling the dice, right? We don't understand how curses work, but if we eat it real quick, will that help different goat? But we'll eat it real quick. Well, and the same year, another local vegetarian restaurant went the other way and tried to get people to break the curse by going meat free for the year. Sadly, the Billy Goat was not happy with either offering. That was. That's tricky Billy Goat. Until 2016, the following year. What?
Starting point is 01:04:41 We get to the end of the season and things are looking good for the cubs For the season they've won 103 games only lost 58 It's the first 100 win season since 1935 And people are finally talking is this the year that the curse is broken But then that's right. I said also worried that this is the guy just fucking with them And no one wants to put them all down Be cool, be cool. It was close at one point, Dave. It's 2016 the year that I think it was 2015 maybe when back to the future was supposedly set when they won in back to the future in the future.
Starting point is 01:05:18 I think it was 2015 and they won the cubby's won and it looked like they were going to win that year as well. And people were like, oh my God, the back to the future prophecy is coming true. You're right, it was 2015. And I think that went quite close. I think that I don't know if they made it to the World Series, but they went a fairway through the postseason, I think.
Starting point is 01:05:39 And people were like, here we go, it's gonna come true. Yeah. Sadly not, but 2016, looking good. They make it to the National League final series against the LA Dodgers and win in game six their first pennant in 71 years, the first since the curse of the Billy Goat. Oh. And what day did they win it, you ask? Well, October 22nd, 2016, which was the 46th anniversary of Billy Goat Man, William
Starting point is 01:06:04 Sianis' death. Oh. Oh. Coincidence, I think not. I think so. I feel it might be coincidence. Yeah. It's not the most rounded year or anything.
Starting point is 01:06:19 What, 46th anniversary? But if you add four and six, what do you get? 10. Oh, which is quite a round number. Yeah, that is quite round That's a good number 10. Thanks. You invent the number 10 calm down Thanks. Yeah, all right, mate. You don't own 10. Yes, true. I've tried I tried to patent 10 They said his off try 11. I've tried to patent ten. They said, piss off. Try eleven. I said, I'll never do it. So because they won that, they made it to the World Series against the Cleveland Indians.
Starting point is 01:06:54 However, it was not a great start for the Cubs. There were down three games to one, but the Cubs were able to come back and even the series at three games a piece, which means the winner of the next game would win the World Series. The winner takes it all. The winner takes it all. I can't help it. I know. I didn't even have that written down.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I improvised that for you. So it's winner takes all and it was close. Went into extra time, which is super rare for a game 7 at the World Series And things were really tense with a game tied at six all after nine innings a sudden cloud burst resulted in a 17-minute rain delay, which is the first ever game 7 to have a rain delay. Wow Wow, that's a world stat. Yeah, what a wow Wow, that's a world stat. Yeah, what a wow.
Starting point is 01:07:47 What a wow. What a wow. Like that's in, so that's like a hundred and when did this team begin in the 1870s? You know, I think the first world who was in 1903, so it was 113 years of. And I never, and this is the first one in game seven. I guess it doesn't get to game seven all that often. Maybe or something. Because, because times winning straight sets sort of thing. But still it's unprecedented.
Starting point is 01:08:09 I'm pretty excited. I'm not trying to talk a day. It's also in extra time, which is so, you know, it's gone extra time because it's so close. It's amazing. It's starting to feel a bit, bit cursy like the goat is just hanging on to this curse now. Yeah. Well, during the delay, Cubs right field a Jason Haywood calls his teammates into a weight room behind the Chicago dugout and he told them,
Starting point is 01:08:32 we're the best team in baseball. For a reason, stick together and we're going to win this game. Do you think he's putting the mozzon a bit there? No, that's belief. I think sport, a lot of it is about belief. Putting the mozzon? What does that mean? The mozzon. So it's like a curse basically, sort of jinks in you.
Starting point is 01:08:51 Putting the mozzon, yeah, all right. Putting the mozzon. Bit of morocie. Put on some mozz. All right. Yeah, really depressing music. Is that what I'm asking? He's putting on some depressing music, isn't he? Even older man.
Starting point is 01:09:06 Dave's a preparing for those listening in home. He loves moths and always politically believed. Not true. Do definitely like the music of the Smiths and some Marcy Solo as well. I'll definitely admit. Big fan of the voice. But we're not here to talk about that. You love the show, the voice. Yeah, big fan. fan like their big red chairs
Starting point is 01:09:26 to Marisee not a judge on the voice now strange Who's nicknamed is the voice so Dave? Johnny phanam. Thank you. Thank you and I'm trying to understand it. He's he's also Contributed to a few films and Jackson is time. What's that? What are you thinking of rat. How have you gotten read? Oh fantastic. I love that. That's so embarrassing that you've got.
Starting point is 01:09:50 I really had a listener out there who's seen rad, or at least heard of rad. There isn't. I'm so sorry. Sorry. This is not a single person. Sorry, bad. Someone's got the VHS of rad out there somewhere. I will not. I do sincerely apologize for not backing you up on your nanny goat state joke. That's great.
Starting point is 01:10:12 But the rad one I could not, I do not apologize. Please let the nanny goat go. I won't. That was very good. Oh no. That's the funniest thing you've ever said, so... No, no, it's not the funniest thing you ever said. You're very, very funny, but that you had nanny goat in your brain. And it just came out. It was perfect. It was perfect. It's not perfect, joke. But it was perfect for the scenario we were in.
Starting point is 01:10:42 And I fucked you. I fucked you I fucked you Sorry, what say again? I fucked Matt In that I didn't back him up. I was a good friend to him. I fucked him Does anyone say that? Fucked my friend Fucked him sue me What is that? A VUCTIM. A VUCTIM, my friend. VUCTIM, VUCTIM. Sue me. All right, they come back from the dugout. They've had the pump up, the big speech, reindeer laylits.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Maw see. Keep it together. After the delay, they went back out there and the CUB scored two runs and went up eight to six. Okay. But then the Cleveland Indian scored a run of their own and it was only a one run game. Still super close.
Starting point is 01:11:29 Michael Martinez, who would score the game-winning running game three for the Indians was up, hoping to save the day yet again. Mike Montgomery was pitching for the Cubs and he pitched to Martinez who hit it along the ground. The ball picked up by Chris Bryan, who threw it to Anthony Rizzo on the first base before Montgomery could get there, which meant he was out. And this means the Cubs won the World Series. No, no. I can't believe it.
Starting point is 01:12:01 They broke the, I mean, I knew this, but I still, I can't believe it the way you built it up. That's fantastic. That's ending. The longest world championship drought in North American professional sports history. It had been 107 seasons since the Cubs last won a world series back in 1908. The curse of the Billy Goat had finally,
Starting point is 01:12:23 finally been broken. That's... Can you imagine the piss up that night? Oh, obviously, that after having an early one, because they do have a game to... To my own, the next year, I'm just... But, oh man, it feels so good. I mean, obviously, it would feel good to win any kind of
Starting point is 01:12:40 championship like that, but after such a long time, and after all the superstitions of the curse, they must have felt so fucking grateful and lucky to be in the team at that time. That would be sick. Can you imagine Rizzo, who's on first base, who's got to make the catch when the guy throws it to him? Imagine you'd be the pressure. Yeah. drop it. Yeah. Oh, if you really bought into the whole cursing, but I feel like, yeah, that's more for
Starting point is 01:13:10 the fans, right? The players, they've just been drafted in from some other city. They haven't grown up with this curse weighing them down. And yeah, so hopefully it wouldn't be in their head because if it was, you know, maybe you'd get a bit shaky, but I imagine he's just thinking, I catch balls all day, this is what I do. Yeah, I do this thousands of times. That guy, Rizzo, he called the reindeer late.
Starting point is 01:13:36 The most important thing to happen with the Chicago Cubs in the past 100 years, I don't think there's any way we win the game without it. Really? Oh, wow. So that was real reverse curse stuff. Yeah. Maybe the billy goat brought the rain. Right. I was genuinely starting to think, wait, did they break this curse? The way it was going really felt like maybe it was going to be cursing on.
Starting point is 01:14:00 No, sadly. Well, happily, I should say, the curse was broken, but. And they've just won every year since. Yeah, that's right. It's super dull, super boring now. Predictable. But there's one little loose end to tie up here. And that is what about our friend Steve Bartman, the guy who absolutely copped it in 2003, had his life turned upside down. Well, he's actually completely shunned the limelight over the years.
Starting point is 01:14:28 He's been offered to pitch the first ball. He didn't want to do it. He's reportedly turned down a six-figure sum to appear in a Super Bowl ad. Wow. He's denied fans who have offered him $25,000 to sign a photo. He doesn't want anything to do with him. ESPN even made a documentary about him called Catching Hell and he declined to be involved. He just doesn't want any attention. That sounds like it's really ruined him a bit. Yeah. However, the club itself has not forgotten him. When the Cubs won the World Series in 2016, the club and its owners sent Bartman a championship ring as a special gift,
Starting point is 01:15:07 which was the same as the same ring given to championship players. It features 108 diamonds and even says Bartman on it. Wow. Wow. Oh, that's that's so nice. Because he really did go through hell by the sounds of it. Yeah. Well, they released a statement saying, we hope this provides closure on an unfortunate chapter of the story that has perpetuated throughout our quest to win a long awaited world series. While no gesture can fully lift the public burden he has endured for more than a decade, we felt it was important. Steve knows he has been and continues to be fully embraced by this organisation. After all, after all these sacrifice, we are proud to recognize Steve Bartman with this gift today.
Starting point is 01:15:49 Lovely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And he irreleased to the statement in reply. Like he did this all quietly. He didn't want to, you know, be in the limelight like I said, but he said, in a statement, although I do not consider myself worthy of such a non-er, I'm deeply moved and sincerely grateful to receive an official Chicago Cubs 2016 World
Starting point is 01:16:07 Series Championship ring. I'm fully aware of the historical significance and appreciate the symbolism the ring represents on multiple levels. My family and I will cherish it for generations. Most meaningful is the genuine outrage from the Ricketts family, the people who own the club these days. On behalf of the Cubs organization and fans, signifying to me that I'm welcome back into the Cubs family
Starting point is 01:16:30 and have their support going forward. I'm relieved and hopeful that the saga of 2003 and the Fowball incident surrounding my family and me is finally over. Whoa. So he got a bit of closure hopefully. Yeah, and it's sort of, it must, it sounds kind of like people had moved on anyway, fans wanted to get his autograph and stuff.
Starting point is 01:16:52 He'd become more of a like a, it's just a part of their history, but at the time, very hairy stuff. Not great for him was that every time they came close to winning again, he'd come back in the news and people would be doing things like where is he now and stuff like that He didn't want any attention like that. So he was I think he's hoping That you know, but they finally won it's all good. They've recognized him. He said it's cool Yes, we don't have to do it anymore. He's own little curse is now broken. Yeah, I wonder what like it's just no game sense To be like my team needs to catch
Starting point is 01:17:26 this ball. It does seem a bit strange, but I guess it was a rush of blood. Oh, and you have a split second to react. Yeah. Yeah. And then also recognize, hey, am I, you know, 10 centimetres of the bar? Yeah, it's a lot of the bar or not. Yeah, of course. That's right. I'm looking at pictures now. He's not a pro baller who would know exactly where the balls going, etc. Yeah. Yeah. But it's kind of interesting that everybody else around him, except for one other person, has pulled their hands back. Oh, right. So they all knew. There's everybody kind of doing this like a, ooo, the kind of move. So they've pulled back.
Starting point is 01:18:03 There are other people who definitely reached for it. And that's what I feel bad for him because like, it could have been anyone else who's the one who actually touched it. Exactly, yeah. Great report, Dave. Great story. Yeah, what a story.
Starting point is 01:18:16 I knew absolutely none of that. So that was a real rollercoaster for me all along. I also didn't know about Nanny Ghost. We've all learnt something here today because I didn't know that. And you've learnt about the song, Dare to Dream, I live in it in John and John Farnham. Yes, I'll send you a YouTube link later, guys. You can have a look. Thanks so much. I look forward to listening to that. And then the full soundtrack to the movie, Rad.
Starting point is 01:18:41 Again, I mean, obviously I listen to that at bedtime every night, but I'll do it twice. That Olympic song I'm pretty sure was written by, like it was a competition. Anyone could enter their Australian Olympic theme, I think. And on the dream, okay, well, you went from not knowing, not knowing the song at all. So now you've got the song. Well, I don't know the winning song. The songs I know were the runners up, which on the dream, which was Rowan H. G's show during the Olympics, they played the runners up beforehand and they were very funny.
Starting point is 01:19:19 And one of them, Farmsy came into the studio and sang with the people who came runners up in the thing. It was a, it was called put a gap in them. Go, you good thing. Go put a gap out of go. And then Fancy comes into the studio and sings it in front of the green screen of the, the couple who entered the song. And it's just a magic moment of showing TV. I'll share it with you too late or see if maybe we'll share it with listeners through the song. And it's just a magic moment of showing TV. I'll share it with you two later.
Starting point is 01:19:45 See if maybe we'll share it with listeners through the week on our socials. I'll also try and put out the clips of your Steve Bartman and stuff. Yeah, maybe more relevant. Sure. Yeah. Okay. You want to give a relevant sure, but yeah, if you want to check out more of the footage, I'll put links in the description of this episode if you want to see what Barton And looks like. I'm looking at that photo. Yeah, that is. Oh, it is stiff. Oh, yeah, but man. Yeah, it hurts. It does hurt. Yeah, I mean, I feel for him, but I also like he should have. He should have known not to. But anyway, you're right David's millimetres.
Starting point is 01:20:27 Split second thing, poor bastard. It is the third time. It is the fourth time with the Walkman headphones on. I know. Oh, he's just a guy, I love baseball. He just looks like a sweet nerdy guy. Oh no. Steve, you're broken my heart.
Starting point is 01:20:44 No, I'm gonna think about that all night now. Oh Steve, that is're broken my heart. I'm going to think about that all night now. Oh Steve that is such a sad, I wish I didn't look at the photo. Oh well people just drive me in those fucking assholes. Oh man. Look up Steve Bartman Ring you'll see that the ring with over 100 diamonds in it, hopefully I'll make you feel a little bit better. Yeah diamonds which as you know Matt, a lot of birth. So that make you feel better? Oh, man, Steve. Oh my God, it's so many diamonds.
Starting point is 01:21:15 That's crazy. I gotta stop saying crazy, but it is crazy. Well, yeah, that is my report on the curse of the Billy Goat. Well done, Dave. Thank you so much for that. What a treat. Thank you. Great work, Dave. Most weight loss programs are short-term fixes, but managing your weight needs a long-term solution, and that's what makes NUME different. NUME uses science and personalization to help you manage your weight for the long term. Their psychology-based approach helps you build better habits and behaviors that are easier to maintain. The best part? You decide how NUME fits into your life, not the other way around. Sign up for your trial today at NUME.com. That's n-o-o-m dot com to sign up for your trial today.
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Starting point is 01:23:10 Potential savings were very discounts not available in all safe and situations. And now it's almost time for everybody's favorite section of the show but before we get to that by the way it's just Dave here now. I had to let the others go. They just weren't pulling their weight. You understand. Now, what's happened is that Melbourne has gone into a snap one week now, two week lockdown due to COVID stuff, and it's getting a little bit tricky to our fine time, we're going to get together. We've been doing a bit of zooming stuff, but it was
Starting point is 01:23:45 decided that I would be trusted with doing the next section of the program, but I've also been trusted with making a special announcement, and that is now back in April and May. We were absolutely stoked before we went into lockdown to do four live shows, our first and 18 months in front of a real crowd in Melbourne. We were upstairs at the European beer cafe, had the absolute time of our lives, and the good people at Stupid Old Studios filmed edited and produced those four episodes, and you can now watch those at sospresents.com. So the four episodes we did the McDonald's monopoly-hised, with the Kentucky meat shower, the surreal life of Selvedor Dali, and who could we get the masquerade Treasure Hunt.
Starting point is 01:24:28 And basically you get to watch the show as if you're in the crowd, so that means we had to edit out a bunch of stuff that didn't make sense if you were just listening to the audio. It's a bit of a regret face in there, a few other interactions with crowd members, that sort of stuff. And at the end, there's a little bit of behind the scene stuff on the back of each episode. So you will see stuff that no one else can see. And you can buy tickets to those. Basically, there's a season pass. You get all four shows. It's $30
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Starting point is 01:25:23 Now that's done. It is time to get to everybody's favorite section of the show, which is the fact quote or question, which has a little jingle that I believe goes a little something like this. Fact quote or question. I always remember the ding. Now this is the section of the show where we get to thank some of our Patreon supporters. And if you wanna be one of those fantastic people, you can go to patreon.com slash do go on pod.
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Starting point is 01:26:20 one was narrowly voted into the number one spot by the Patreon supporters. So you really do get to change the outcome of the show, as well as get shout outs and all sorts of stuff, as well as, if you're on the Sydney Shineback Deluxe Memorial Package Rest in Peace level, which is one of our top tiers, you get to enter yourself into the fact-quote or question where you give us the fact-quote or a question
Starting point is 01:26:44 as well as a nickname for yourself. And we've got four here to go through this week. And the first one comes from Jamie Griffiths. Thanks, Jamie, whose nickname is head of inhuman resources. Am I right? Jamie, I love that. It's good stuff. That is very good stuff. And Jamie's given us a question and that is what podcasts do you guys listen to or recommend? Oh man, so many. So many that I are, what I just pull out my phone, you know, go through that here, go through the podcast. Oh, now number one, I've been absolutely smashing this lately. And that is basically BBC radio programs. There's the BBC World Service. They have a show called Witness and they have a massive archive that they have uploaded to Apple Podcasts where I've been listening to this. Witness archive
Starting point is 01:27:43 2013, I've been going through and they go through some very interesting stories from history, little programs. They're about nine or ten minutes each. And yeah, they go through stuff from history, the interview people on the scene. It's just these little reports and I love it. I go for a drive and I just put it on the shuffle, basically listen to three or four of those in a drive. What else we got? I listened to Conan O'Brien, needs a friend, Conan Show, which I know Matt really likes as well. The most recent one, he interviewed Barack Obama,
Starting point is 01:28:15 so that was really cool. Don't you know who I am? No secret here that I absolutely adore Josh Earl's show. So, so fun's been going for five, six years now and it gets four very, very funny people and quizzes them about their lives and basically gets them to tell their best stories. Six years later, I'm still like, that's the best part in the country, I love it. Answer me this, another one that I've been listening to for many, many years, Helen and Oli, two great British
Starting point is 01:28:42 podcastes that have been in the game for like 14 or 15 years or something, very, very early to it. And they show they just answer, listen as questions. And I still love it. What else have we got? I've got a song explorer. I love that when they go through music, songs from musicians and they pull apart their songs.
Starting point is 01:29:02 Willosophy, Will Will Anderson's program, where he interviews people as well. He's just a great interviewer, and it's just only getting better and better. I love that. A bit of the weekly planet, we love those guys. What else we got here? The debrief with Dave O'Neill,
Starting point is 01:29:15 where he does a gig and drives back from the show with the comedian that he's done the show with and interviews them in the front seat. And they debrief about the gig. I think that is awesome. Dan Carlin's hardcore history. Absolutely love that. That is just one of the best. The Adam Buckston podcast, another great interviewer, a very super casual English dude. Yeah, a lovely style and he also always starts the episodes by walking around the paddock. He lives out in the countryside and the human is dog rosy and he addresses the interviewer
Starting point is 01:29:50 whilst walking. I just love that. Other grub with the last week's guest Ben Russell and Edmunds and Greg Larson. Very, very funny. And finally, another one I've been listening to for years and that is Pappies, Flat Share, Slam Down, three English comedians. Another one I've been listening to for years, and that is Pappies, flat chair, slam down, three English comedians. And they do a few different shows on the one feed, but my absolute favorite is flat chair,
Starting point is 01:30:11 slam down, which is a panel quiz show where one of them is the host, the other two are team captains, and they bring on a friend each, and they pretend that they're living in a share house, and they've got a problem. It's very, very silly, been going for years, and they've still been going during COVID, which is awesome to see. All right, there's a bunch of stuff that I listened to, a lot of comedy things in there, isn't there? Apart from the BBC, witness stuff. Man, love it. It's really gotten into that lately. Thanks, Jamie. Let us know. What are you listening to? Always keen to hear about more pods out there. Next up we have Stefan Headley, whose nickname is King of Pies in the United Kingdom.
Starting point is 01:30:50 Well, from a pie guy to a king, I bowed down before you. And you have some great pies in the UK. Absolutely love your pies. And a fact from the king, which is, it's a royal fact. Queen Elizabeth's nickname is Gary. Prince William as young boy could not pronounce Granny. Instead, he called her Gary. Look at that. Do we talk about on the Queen Elizabeth episode?
Starting point is 01:31:15 I feel like that kind of rings a bell, but maybe that's just Matt's obsession with Gary's brought that up. I don't know. It was many years ago, but thank you very much for bringing that to our attention. Queen Elizabeth, AKA Gary. Now much for bringing that to our attention. Quintilizabeth aka Gary. Next up, John Mulligan. Thank you so much for your support, John.
Starting point is 01:31:31 Whose nickname is Chicago's favorite milkman? John, are you seriously a milkman? I don't know if I've ever met one. Not really a thing here anymore. Gosh, that'd be awesome. And if you ask Chicago's favorite milkman, that would be great. And also, I probably should say, bearing the lead here, are your Cubs fan? Were you stoked when they finally broke the curse?
Starting point is 01:31:56 Maybe? Maybe less of a white stockings fan and more of a white socks fan though, am I right? Well, anyway, John, given us a question and that is if you were to nerd out on one topic from a young your young teen childhood on an episode for a topic what would that topic be and I've got to tell you for me I've already done it it was The Simpsons. That is a topic that I yes by myself near and dear to growing up it's still absolutely the best show ever. But maybe another TV show would be Diagnosis Murder.
Starting point is 01:32:31 Was a huge, huge fan of that. We'd love to talk dick. Van Dyke, of course, Shane. His grandson Barry, his son. Yeah, he managed to cut the entire Van Dyke family. There was another brother in there. And also the daughter the entire Van Dyke family. There was another brother in there. And also the daughter of Dick Van Dyke was on the show. Oh, so, so good.
Starting point is 01:32:51 I love it. But I'm trying to leave other things that I was super nerdy on. Pokemon, absolutely obsessed with it. And they've been back in the news this week with the Pokemon cards, apparently going up several hundred percent in value this year when people in lockdown. And I still have a bunch of the Pokemon cards. So I'm thinking, am I sitting on an absolute gold mine? I think I had, I was stoked when I was a kid
Starting point is 01:33:17 because I filled up two pages of the shiny holographic things in the booklet. You know, you get those little plastic sleeves and display them. And there was three rows of three, and you flip that over, there was another three rows of three. So I had 18 shiny ones.
Starting point is 01:33:31 One of them may have been a Japanese Snorlax, but still, maybe that's the most valuable one of all. I don't know. Yeah, but I never got Charizard. I never got Charizard or Blastoise. Had Venusaur? Never charizard or blasto. So the two that eluded me in the original 150, I feel like those are the shiny ones that I was
Starting point is 01:33:55 the holographic. But in Australia, in my promise of anyway, they were called shiny. So you want to trade a shiny? That's insane, so weird now, doesn't it? So I could nerd out about Pokemon cars. Absolutely loved it. Could also nerd out about Pokemon red and blue.
Starting point is 01:34:11 Love the games. Last year on Nintendo Switch got Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu, which is basically that game but re-made with better graphics and stuff. Absolutely loved it. So yeah, John, Pokemon, I could nerd out about that. I think that actually would make a good episode because, you know, from humble beginnings to it,
Starting point is 01:34:32 like a massive franchise, it's one of those things I can't believe that, like when I was a kid, it was massive, obviously. This is now over 20 years ago. And then my younger cousins came along and they were 10, 11 years younger than I was still massive. And I thought, wow, I can't believe that this is still big. And then a decade after they're into it.
Starting point is 01:34:53 It's, I know it's got no sign of slowing down. Is it the longest running fad? Somebody to think about there. Thank you so much to Chicago's favorite milkman, John Mulligan. And finally, I would like to thank Tessa Chilcott, who's given us the nickname, Queen of the World in brackets,
Starting point is 01:35:13 said in Leonardo da Capriars' voice from Titanic, you're Queen of the World! Tessa, was that all right? And finally a quote, we don't get too many quotes and I love them and obviously without even reading this, I'm gonna say, you're gonna right? And finally a quote. We don't get too many quotes and I love them. And obviously without even reading this, I'm going to say, I'm going to set my life by this quote. Here we go. Two things are infinite. The universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe. Who's that? Albert Einstein. Hey, if he knows, it's probably true. I meant to say if anyone knows my goodness,
Starting point is 01:35:47 I'm proving his point that it's stupidity. So thank you so much to our factquate or questioners. And now it's time to thank a few more of our Patreon supporters. If you are supporting the show at patreon.com slash do on pod like I mentioned before, one of the rewards is also you get a shout out for being such a legend and I've got nine names before me now And I'd like to thank these people and we usually come up with a bit of a game on here something to do with with the episode and with Matt and Jess's blessing I've decided that I'm going to assign each member here a baseball team But not a major league baseball team or a minor league team or another team from around the world
Starting point is 01:36:26 I've got a few different lists open and I'm going to sign you a Sign you a baseball team Some of them really made me laugh when I found these lists But first up, I would like to thank from an unknown place Got no information about where this person's from I can only assume that from the fortress of the moles. Is there, oh, let me see, there's a baseball tink of the moles. As fenton mole, nicknamed Muscles, the American Major League Baseball player, born in 1925. I think coming up immediately. All right, don't worry, I've got a list here, I've got some good stuff either way, but I would like to thank Robert Clark. Robert Clark, and I'm going to assign you the team name.
Starting point is 01:37:12 This is an Aussie one, playing in the ABL, the Australian baseball league, the Brisbane bandits and the mascot, or at least the image for the team. The logo is a very sinister looking dude with a hat on and then something covering his face, like a real roadside bandit, a hanger chief of the mouth and nose. You can only see the eyes, a real bad ass. And I'm sensing that you are too, Robert Clark.
Starting point is 01:37:43 You want to give away where you are? You have the metaphorical hat and think over your face. I can't think of the word. Anyway, you're a bad at Robert Clark. Thanks so much. And next up, I'd like to thank from Lemmington Spa in Great Britain. Thank you so much to Lucy Barrington. Now I'm going to give you Lucy, the team, the Montgomery Biscuits. You've got to see this logo. There's an M and then peering out from behind it with two little hands and then Googly Eyes is a biscuit. Goly eyes. Apparently they are affiliated with the Tampa Bay raised in the MLB, in the double, the class is double A. The name was chosen from thousands of entries in a name, in a name the team contest because it sounded fun quirky and could be utilised for marketing opportunities like
Starting point is 01:38:39 naming the team store, the biscuit basket, puns such as hay butter butter butter, also appeal to the owners when selecting the name. This is according to sports the sport chief dot com. So thank you so much. I hope you're happy with that Lucy Burrington. Next up, I would like to thank from Corperoo in Queensland, maybe you already support the band. It's Corp room in Queensland. Alison Pottinger. Alison Pottinger. Let me go back to my list here. I'm gonna give you, this is not a good one. The Batavia Muck Dogs.
Starting point is 01:39:14 The Batavia Muck Dogs, their logo, is a very, very angry look and pup. They're a collegiate summer baseball team with the perfect game collegiate baseball league located in New York State Tavia Muck Dogs Baron that's good Love that
Starting point is 01:39:32 All right, thanks Luzie. I'd like to thank. Sorry. Thanks Alison. I would like to thank next from L. Wood Right here in Victoria Jim Bates Jim Bates. I'm gonna give you Jim, the Clinton Lumber Kings. Clinton Lumber Kings, there's a dude with a very big eyebrow is popping it like the rock when he was a wrestler, he's wearing a crown and then holding a bat, giving a cheesy, cheesy grin. Clinton Lumber Kings, where are they from?
Starting point is 01:40:01 I look better. Also collegiate summer baseball team, they are located in Clinton, Iowa. Love that. Thank you so much, Jim. Next up from LV, also in Victoria, LV, LV, Tyson Graham on your Tyson, you absolute legend. All right, I'm going to give you the team. The Amarillo Sodputals, the Amarillo Sodputals, which they have that name to the large number of prairie dogs in West Texas. Thank you,'m a son, people. Tossing Graham, your leg. From aim as in Iowa, my goodness. Oh yeah, we're heading to Iowa with Caleb Devick. Caleb Devick.
Starting point is 01:40:58 Probably Devick. Caleb Devick. Caleb, can't talk right now. Caleb Devick. You got it. Caleb, David. I don't think that's right in anyone's language. Thank you so much, Caleb.
Starting point is 01:41:12 Look, we get names down under as well, all right? Let me give you a baseball team. How about this? Are you happy with the Pensacola Blue Wahoo's? The Pensacola Blue Wahoo's? The Pensacola Blue Wahoo's. They're a minorly baseball team of the double A South, affiliate of the Miami Marlins. They are, of course, based in Pensacola, Florida.
Starting point is 01:41:37 The Blue Wahoo's. I really like that. Hopefully you do too. Caleb slash Caleb. I know what it is. Oh, Hopefully you do too. Caleb slash Caleb. I know what it is. Oh, thank you so much. I'd like to thank from Mermaid Waters in Queensland, Philippa Hyatt, Mermaid Waters.
Starting point is 01:41:54 Now that is good. Is there a mermaid baseball team? Let me look that up. Mermaid baseball teams. There are the Miami Marlins Mermaids, who according to MLB. There are the Miami Marlins Mermaids, according to MLB.com, are this sort of a chia squad it looks like, a strong, empowered, confident women focused on our team, our fans and our community. That's not quite that. I'm going to find you a baseball team. Let me get you something out. Philip, how would you like the Binghampton Rumble ponies? Yes, Philip, how would you like the
Starting point is 01:42:28 Binghampton Rumble ponies? Yes, please, is what I think you'd be saying. That's an amazing there. Sociated with the New York Mets, again, from the sports chief. They're not often the sports chief, but this one is if you don't know like me, the author says Binghampton is part of what people call the triple cities along with Endocott and Johnson City. And these triple cities are referred to as the Carousel Capital of the World. So to honor that name, naturally the Rumble ponies were born in 2016 to replace the Binghampton Metz, much cooler. Love it. Rumble ponies. Cool logo too. It's like a pony going into battle, wearing some armour over their face. Super cool. Philippa, thank you so much. Next up, I would like to thank, and yes, I have definitely Googled how to say this because it is a confusing looking word written down from Ipsilanti in Michigan. Did I get it right? Thank you too, Sam Cash. Sam Cash from Ipsilanti.
Starting point is 01:43:26 Also it says here, often called Ipsi. I think that's pretty cool. And I'm going to give you the team name, the Midland Rock Hounds. The Midland Rock Hounds. And it is absolutely bad, I'm talking dog. Rockin' a sweet, sweet baseball bat in his hand. Oh, I love it.
Starting point is 01:43:47 They're from Midland, Texas in the minor leagues. Very cool stuff. Great logo. Look it up if you can. Sam Cash, thank you so much. And finally, from Belly Claire in, great Britain, I would like to thank Katie Schillin on your Katie. And I've got two here to go here. And it's got to be the rocket city trash pandas associated
Starting point is 01:44:16 with the LA angels. They're located in Madison, Alabama. The name is a reference to the city or the areas ties to the space industry and raccoons who supposedly have a lot of determination and ingenuity. The rocket city trash pandas. That is awesome. And that's your team, Katie. Do it what you will. So thank you so much to all the people, Robert, Lucy, Alison, Jim, Tyson, Caleb, Philippa, Sam and Katie for supporting the show. And with that, there's only one thing left to do. And that is check if we've got any members to induct into the Trippditch Club.
Starting point is 01:44:55 And the way this works is these are the people that have been on the shout out level or above consistently for three consecutive years. And boy or boy, are we grateful for them keeping up their pledge and keeping this show rockin' and rolling for those years? Because of that, we've actually built a little club, a place that they can come and hang and be with their kin. And also, us, we hang out there a lot. This is the TripDitch club.
Starting point is 01:45:20 It's everything you wanna be, and nothing you don't want it to be. Too many negatives there, I don't know. Not be and nothing you don't want it to be. Too many negatives there, I don't know, not enough time to go back and count it, but basically it's a fantastic place to hang out. We have a lot of music, we have a bar with drinks, we have food, and every week we get a new act in to come and play, and we also have a new drink to add to the menu and also the food to add to the many, many dozens of counterpaste that we have. We have to hire a new chef every week
Starting point is 01:45:47 to keep up with the demand. It's crazy. We're wasting a lot of food, but still. I mean, once you add a food, you gotta keep it up. Ah, so you're never gonna believe this. I go go, ah, with Chicago Cubs, this week's episode, so I go go to Chicago band that we can hire and you're're never gonna believe here came up.
Starting point is 01:46:06 The band Chicago, they are from Chicago. So thank you so much to Chicago guys coming down, playing a few of their tunes. They've been rocking and rolling with since 1967. So can't wait to hear that. Then I googled, what about Chicago drinks? What can we have on the menu? I'm never going to believe this. The Chicago cocktail comes up. A brandy-based mixed drink probably named for the city of Chicago, Illinois. Good enough for me. And then
Starting point is 01:46:39 I googled, actually, I knew this. This is something I've been wanting to try. I've never had it before. And that is Chicago deep dish pizza is on the menu tonight. Chicago style pizza prepared according to several different styles developed in Chicago. So we'll have to have several different types of deep dish pizza. We'll go around and we'll rate our favorite. All right. Let's check if there are people to to induct into the Tritidge Club. We've got Matt Stannie by lifting up the Velvet rope. And it's my job to hype these people up as we walk in them in. And there is, oh my goodness, where did something good three years ago to get people into the Patreon?
Starting point is 01:47:14 Because there are 14 to go through this week. Okay, so what I do is I give them a little hype up. And usually Jess or Matt hipes me up as I hype this people. Obviously it's just me, so I'm going to have to pretend that this is going better than it obviously will. So I need you to believe, like I wish I had some sort of hype career, but I don't, I've got to go solo, so these are the people. Hopefully this isn't the most embarrassing thing I've ever done. I've done it before, but never 14. Okay, here we go.
Starting point is 01:47:46 I would like to thank and welcome into the TripTidge Club. Brr, brr, brr, all right, here we go. I would like to thank from Evat, Evat in the Australian Capitol Territory. It's Ancest ever sounds. You're every son to me. Yes, what does it mean? It sounds positive. Keep it going.
Starting point is 01:48:03 I would like to thank from Columbus, Ohio, shout out to one of our favorite states. I'd like to thank Jackie Quavillan. Jackie, you ate no villain. Yeah, you're a hero. Come on in. All right, that was a little bit better. I'd like to thank from Cheshear now. Katie Higgins. Cheshears to you. Higgins, uh, Chesias to you. Higgins. All right. Thank you so much. Uh, staying in Great Britain from Mon- Monopheath. I would like to thank Kiran McLeary.
Starting point is 01:48:35 Never weary with Kiran McLeary. Yes, yes, that was good. All right. Uh, that's a few down. Many more to go. Here we go. Keep it going from Liz Burn, also in Great Britain, Noel Walker. Keep Walker.
Starting point is 01:48:50 No, smooth talker, Noel Walker, all right, come on in. I would like to thank from Bendigo in Victoria, here in Australia, Megan Harrison. Bendigo on in and have a great night. Bendigo on in. Does that sound night. Bendy, go on in. Does something, Megan? Thank you so much. Now, from Sydney, New South Wales, Michael Nielsen makes me feel good.
Starting point is 01:49:15 That is, yes, all right. Now from Yukon in Oklahoma, Lauren Rosal, Yukon, Count on a good night. Yeah. From I'm just shouting this in my empty house. I sound insane for the names from Ureca in California, Andrew Barney, Ureca. We've struck old with this guy. Oh yeah. That was pretty good. From a herfibay in Queensland, Brianna Barney, another Barney. I ain't being smarmy. You rule Brianna. All right.
Starting point is 01:49:52 Two Barneys in a row. Different sides of Plunder Earth, but maybe know each other. Come on in. Hang on. Have a Chicago cocktail. I would like to thank now from Fairport Harbor, also in Ohio, a great state, Thomas Fisekis, Fairport to you, sir. Let's make this sound like Fairport to you, sir.
Starting point is 01:50:16 All right, moving on, Thomas, you're a legend. From Berlin now in Deutschland, Silke Westendorf, more like bestened dwarf. Can we end there? God, all right, what do we get left? Thanks, silk. Silk, I should probably say, from Naganoval and also the Australian Capital Territory,
Starting point is 01:50:34 Reese, Elbres and Bronwyn Duke. It ain't no fluke. You're here together tonight. All right, thank you so much. And finally, from Fairbanks in Alaska, its rosa spicer couldn't be nicer. Do we do it? Oh, my goodness. I had so many doubts about that. I still don't know how it went, but you know, I feel like that was something that was something I yelled some names in my house. I tried to couple of rhymes, couple of bad puns,
Starting point is 01:51:05 couple of things that probably honestly weren't anything, but you know what? I tried. And I would love to thank all those people, honestly, because they are people that have been supporting the show for three plus years, building up to that moment. I hope there was everything they wanted it to be and probably more.
Starting point is 01:51:22 Thank you. Don't worry, Matt and Jess will maybe. So thank you so much to those people. You are absolutely fantastic. And if you want to be involved with that, I mean, and who doesn't want to have their name shouted out by Dave Warnocky in the middle of his house, you can go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. Heaps of bonus episodes up there for you to get through and lots and lots of
Starting point is 01:51:45 other stuff. That's it from me. Thank you so much for listening to the end of the episode. Truly appreciate that. All of our stuff is at dogoonpod.com. Our Facebook, Instagram, our Twitter, our email, where you can suggest a topic, our Patreon, where you can buy merchandise and we can send it to you anywhere in the world. You can go to dogoonpod.com. But I appreciate all that's it. Thank you so much for listening to this episode and until next week, hopefully we'll be all back send it to you anywhere in the world. You can go to dogoonpod.com. But I appreciate all that's it. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. And until next week, hopefully we'll be all back together again. But until then, I'll say thank you so much and goodbye.
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