Do Go On - 464 - Hatshepsut: Egypt's Greatest Female Pharaoh (with Celebrity Memoir Book Club)

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Hatshepsut is now recognised as the most successful woman to rule Egypt as pharaoh! Her story is a bit of a rollercoaster in life and also in death, as historians have changed the way they've seen her over the years. Joining us to hear this epic story are the very funny New Yorkers, Ashley Hamilton and Claire Parker from Celebrity Memoir Book Club! This is a comedy/history podcast, the report begins at approximately 14:08 (though as always, we go off on tangents throughout the report).Support the show and get bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSupport the show on Apple podcasts and get bonus eps in the app: http://apple.co/dogoon Live show tickets: https://dogoonpod.com/live-shows/ Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/suggest-a-topic/  Other important links: http://linktr.ee/DoGoOnPod Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasDo Go On acknowledges the traditional owners of the land we record on, the Wurundjeri people, in the Kulin nation. We pay our respects to elders, past and present. REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:When Women Ruled the World: Six Queens of Egypt by Kara Cooneyhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-queen-who-would-be-king-130328511/https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-egypt/hatshepsuthttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Hatshepsuthttps://www.historyhit.com/hatshepsut-egypts-most-powerful-female-pharaoh/https://www.metmuseum.org/articles/hatshepsut-female-pharaoh-egypthttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/hatshepsuthttps://www.biography.com/royalty/hatshepsuthttps://www.thoughtco.com/hatshepsut-pharaoh-hatshepsut-of-egypt-112487https://www.britannica.com/place/Dayr-al-Bahri Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hey Dave, what a pleasure to be here on our show. Quick question, how good is it to be alive? Very good to be alive, thank you so much for asking. And joining us this week, not one, but two guests. It's Claire and Ashley from the Celebrity Memoir Book Club. Hello. Hello. Hi, thank you for having us.

Coming down the line from New York City, the Big Apple. Oh my gosh, the Big Apple live on the pod, I can't believe it. The two stand-up comedians from New York, bloody hell. They called, I like to call New York City the gym because that's where I got to work out. I heard the comedian say that once. I thought it was very funny.

But anyway, thanks so much for being on. We'll let you talk. No, thank you for having us. I also call it the gym because boy is it a lot. You're walking around. We've got stairs, it's true. There's a kitchen every which way. High stepping over every single one of them.

Did you both cut like you, New York, born and bred? Because people just go from, comedians go from all over America and move to New York City, right? Yeah, so I came from New Jersey, which is truly across the river. I came from about one and a half miles west, but I made it and I stayed here. And if you can make it here, they say you can make it in Australia. So I'm trying to get there next.

That's right. You're about to come out here. Have you been to Australia before? No. And everything we did career wise was to angle for this trip. So we're really excited. We hope it goes good. It's all we've ever wanted.

Where did you grow up Ashley? I'm from outside Chicago. Oh, the windy city. Yeah, I blew right this way on a gust. Yeah, yeah. I went to visit last year, loved it. It was the most, the closest to Melbourne of American cities I've been to, I reckon.

That's what I've heard. I feel like whenever I go to an international city that people like, they say it's just like Chicago. Yeah. So I was being arrogant. A city that you chose to leave. It's good. It just, you know, there's a lot of enemies there and I had to, I was run out.

It's more improv than standup too, right? There's a good amount of standup, but they're all there. They're improving as well, I was run out. It's more improv than stand up too, right? There's a good amount of stand up, but they're all, they're improv-ing as well, I guess. Well, look, I'll take your word for it, but I'm pretty sure there's some big improv stuff there. Yeah, there's a scene. Isn't there? Yeah, the second city.

I was there, I was doubting myself. I'm like, no, I went there. Second city. Yeah, the second city. I was there. I was doubting myself. I'm like, no, I went there. Second city. Yeah. The improv Olympics. There's like, oh, that's right. Yeah. Anyway, you're coming to Australia. Yeah.

You're doing some live shows later this month in September. Very, very exciting. You're going all over. I mean, you're going to Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, even Perth. A lot of people, they skip Perth. It's too far, but you've done it. Taylor Swift didn't go to Perth. Well, we, everything we do, we do to one-up her.

And this is kind of our era's tour and people are treating it as such. So I would say, don't even look for tickets. They're probably sold out, but double check in case I'm wrong. Yeah. Double check in case there's any runoff from the people who are still waiting, hoping for Taylor Swift to show up. check in case there's any runoff from the people who are still waiting, hoping for Taylor Swift to show up. And are people, uh, do they normally come dressed up as you from

different periods of the podcast? You know, if they did, Oh, I would hide. No, I would say I would love if we had enough growth. There could have been different periods of the podcast. We've pretty much just been two idiots, but in different apartments. Yeah, I guess people do often come wearing just a t-shirt and sometimes eyeliner and sometimes no eyeliner, which is two very distinct eras that we've been in.

And you go up to them and you say, thank you. That's a real honor that you did that for me. I see someone wearing no eyeliner and I go, that's a throwback. I remember those days. So on your show, if people aren't familiar, it's called Celebrity Memoir Book Club and you both read the same celebrities memoir

and then discuss their lives. And we've been listening this week, haven't we Matt? Yeah. A lot of fun. So good. We love it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. There's been actually a little bit of crossover. You've done a couple of people that we've done.

What have you, we've talked about Marilyn Monroe and had maybe Dolly Parton. Have you done it? Dolly Parton? Yes. We did Dolly Parton. I wonder if you're more recent. Her book came out in the nineties, so it felt very like, you don't even know about your own second wind coming.

Sometimes we'll do like her, Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda is like, well, it's 2004 and I'm done acting forever. And you're like, you're about to do three movies about Tom Brady. You don't even know yet. I feel that she's very due for another. Oh yes. You're not given given the sequel yet. I don't think so, but it's coming.

Yeah. Whenever they want to buy a new house, they do a new memoir. So, and everybody always wants to buy a new house, they do a new memoir. So, and everybody always wants to buy a new house. It's so funny because Jess, our missing third, who's fine by the way, stop worrying. But she's away, she's actually in New York. She's probably next door to you right now. But she went to Dollywood on her trip.

She loves Dolly Parton. I've never been, I gotta try it. You gotta. I mean, the photos I gotta try it. You gotta. I mean, the photos actually looked really fun. It looked really, really fun. What a country. I can't even recall off the top of my head where that would be.

I have to say, I'm very interested in Australians when they come to the US. We were just in DC, and I feel like a lot of people always hit DC on their American trip. And I'm here to officially tell you guys, you don't have to see it. There's nothing there.

Yeah, I can confirm that Jess was there just before New York City. Yeah, that sounds right. And I feel like, I guess because it's the capital, it's in people's minds as a place to go. It's a non-entity. Unless you're in Congress, unless you're right in laws, you have no business there. There's not much going on. She sent us a photo of the Lincoln monument.

That was pretty cool. Yeah, it's- You can Google it. No, it's so big, Claire. You don't even know how big it is until you stand next to it and you say, I'm smaller than a foot. And that's when you really feel freedom, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you're literally under the foot of a president, that's when you go, aha. When you go, oh, he could squash me with that shoe, you say exactly as it's meant to be. I'm really looking forward to coming to the show. It's the capital in Melbourne, but yeah, we'll put a link to the tour in the show notes, I suppose. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, do yourselves a favor.

Come sit next to me. And you're gonna have seats, is that true? Absolutely, chairs in every city. There's been a lot of debate about it. There's been speculation. I can guarantee that there'll be a place for your. Hi. Okay.

Um, that's like that big, I think that's worth the price of the ticket alone. You know, just a nice spot to sit for 60 minutes of sitting time. Fantastic. Thank you so much. Another thing you can't do in America, honestly, loitering is a big no-no here. It's very free, but just not to do that. Okay. You're free to be, you know, wherever, wherever they don't want you, you can't say.

Okay. I love it. Fantastic. We're going to get there one day. We will. Yes. Yeah. We've, yeah, we promised that it was a Patreon goal about seven years ago

that we hit, we do a US tour, and we've not been able to organize the visas as yet, but we're feeling confident of 2025. I also feel confident. I'll put in a phone call if you need. I don't think they like me over there at the office, but just in case. Yeah, that'd be great.

I think that'd be fantastic. Oh, but before we get into it, can you, can you write my American accent? Oh yeah, we get, we get a bit of flack because we do like to do the odd impression. Well, impression, I don't know about impression. Well, the odd accent. Yeah. We, we both dabble in a bit of acting as well. Most comedians do and, uh, a lot like Hollywood's a pretty big place for acting.

And I feel like I could break into the scene because I feel like I'm nailing my generic American accent. Obviously you got words like water. Can we hear it again? Water. Oh yeah. That was so close. It sounded like another third American person is on this podcast.

I'm parched. Could have some water. You sound like a person in America that I wouldn't like, but like I know him. I know I'm going to don't like him. But still you pass. But he exists and he was born here. Well yeah. That's the guy. I want to go for villainous sort of roles. Maybe I'll win you back with Trash Compactor. Oh, that's really good. Oh yeah. Always saying that. They're calling each other it.

They're using one. I feel like a Trash Compactor is like extremely American. You know what I would call it though? I call it a garberator. I feel like that's an American word. Never heard of that. Can I say? Okay, that's the brand name.

I think that's a brand name for a trash compactor is a garberator. No, it's not even a compactor. It's a trash grinder. Oh no, my retainer is in the trash compactor. Okay, actually I know that kid I bullied him. That was good. That took me right back to middle school.

Obviously, I mean, Australian accent, I've heard is difficult. Have you ever had a crack at it? Oh, I try it constantly. I watched, listen, I've watched a lot of Australian adjacent television for teenagers as an adult. I've seen H2O, I've seen Ballet Academy, adjacent television for teenagers as an adult. I've seen H2O, I've seen Ballet Academy, I've seen, what else do you guys do?

It was a real pandemic hobby of mine to watch. I was really into Supernatural. Yeah, the Make-A-Mermaids. That's it, it was a, I was watching a lot of like Canadian werewolf drama and then like Australian high school drama. That was a big thing for me. Well, can we hear it?

Oh yeah. Okay. Um, Vegemite. I actually wear a Vegemite hat, which I just realized is very cliche. So Ozzy's wearing a Vegemite hat. Um, which is ridiculous here, but to you, you're probably like, everyone, is that just normal? Everyone wears one. Is that normal fashion down there? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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great spread in that culture. It's quite literally in that case. Great spread. Oh dear. I could say this. I could go Rebel Wilson. Was that pretty Australian? That's pretty good. She's a hero here.

Yeah, yeah. She's on the money. She's on the bank notes. Didn't you have a tip about special words? Oh yeah, I was in New York this time last year and I was at a bookstore, as you would say, we'd say bookshop. Isn't that beautiful? No, you're translating.

The cultural differences. Yeah. I appreciated it. It's a sort of shop where they sell books. And I went up to the counter and the lady goes, oh my God, are you Australian? And I was like, yeah. And she goes, oh my God, are you Australian? And I was like, yeah. And she goes, oh, I love doing an Australian accent. And then her go-to words to get into character were

razor blades, which I've heard before, but then also pizzeria. Pizzeria. Pizzeria. And then she could go from there. That was her in. Listen, I could do gnar. I feel like, that I did gnar. There's a condensation. No, we don't sound like that. No, no, we don I could do gnar. I feel like they are.

No, we don't sound like that. No, no, we don't sound like no. Can I ask something? And I don't want to be rude, but I've heard multiple times on this podcast so far that you guys are struggling to get to the US for these shows. Yeah, it seems like you're both in the US often and recently. That's the working visa. Working visa is a thing that they're...

Yeah, we've all, in the last 12 months, we've all been over there for multiple weeks of holiday. I actually went there. I booked in a holiday for the end of the tour that we'd booked in. Oh, so then you went on your holiday anyway. I kind of went for the holiday and just didn't get to do the tour part. Oh, well, you deserved a break afterwards, so I'm glad you got over there. I feel the problem is that they believe that we're tourists, but they don't believe that we're comedians.

The funniest thing is on the, on the formula to fill out, it says, um, any awards or certificates that prove your excellence in your field, i.e. Nobel Prize or Academy Awards. I.e. That's the bar. That's the bar for the form. Oh shoot. My Nobel Prize not quite yet. I.E. And we're like, that's the bar, that's the bar for the form. Oh shoot, my Nobel Prize, not quite yet. I was nominated, does that count?

They're like, no, you don't have the certificate. Yeah. Okay, what if we send them this episode, this like melding of Australian and American minds, and we say, how's that for peace? Yeah, that's beautiful. That's really lovely. And we-

A war between the US and Australia. The treaty of this vodka. Okay, what if we live right now, say, I don't even care that you guys are better at swimming than us in the Olympics. I think in the end you beat us anyway. It was our thing and you didn't even let us have that. Yeah, you still won.

It was rude. Let there be some fucking beers If you want peace maybe just throw a few mates Yeah, all we ask is one Ledecky you can have rebel Wilson Anyway, we should really start the show. Do you want to explain how it works? Yeah. So thanks so much for joining us.

Basically what we do here is we take it in turns to research a topic often suggested to us by one of the listeners. We go away, do a little bit of research, then bring it back in like a high school report style sort of thing. And it's Matt's turn this week to report on a topic. And the three of us, we have no idea what you're going to talk about. And we always get onto topic with a question. That's right.

I'm sort of asking a tangential question because I hadn't heard of the topic before. And I don't know what your areas of expertise are anyway. But my question is, what song did the bangles have a worldwide number one hit with in 1986? Oh, walk Like An Egyptian. That's what I was going to guess. Bang. That's gotta be the only one that they have, right?

That's like- That was their only big number one hit, yes. You're right. I think that was their only song, I think. Do they have Eternal Flame as well? I get them and Bananarama confused. Oh, me too, actually. I think I might be thinking about Bananarama.

Both obviously fantastic musical outfits. No one's denying that. But no, they had other hits, but they didn't have any other worldwide smashes. Yeah, walking around Egypt, and that's huge. Anyway, so that's not the topic. We're not talking about the Bengals. We're not talking about the Bengals' classic song that spawned a dance center. Oh, we're talking about Egypt?

We're talking about a specific pharaoh from Egypt. Oh my God. I didn't know there were multiple. I thought it was the pharaoh. Oh, well, there you go. Tut or nut. That's what I grew up saying. That's what I was taught in school.

What were you taught? Tut or nut. Tut or nut. If it wasn't King Tut, you could just jerk off in the corner. Okay. I was wondering if nut meant the same thing over there. And yes, okay. Tut or nut.

That's how we were taught in the US. So I'm excited to learn. That's a fantastic education system you're posting over there. So yeah, I'm talking about probably the most successful woman to rule Egypt as a Pharaoh. And there weren't very many who did that by the way. Her name was Hatshepsut. I think.

Oh yeah, I know her. What? Have you done Hatshepsut's memoir yet on the pod? No, but we've done her pod. Can I say, I think the wall that it was written on the pod. No, but we've done her pod. I think the wall that it was written on fell down. So that is, yeah, that is true. Um, that, that happens. Like, I will talk about that later on.

Really? So this was suggested just by one listener, Elijah from Sydney, uh, who's a bit, bit of an expert in the field. Um, and I've met them at a few live shows in Sydney. They made me and Saran candles as a gift, hand made candles. My gosh, maybe eternal flame. Oh my God. That's what I was thinking of.

That might've been what you're thinking about. Anyway, before I get into it, I'm nervous about mispronouncing a lot of the words. I'm not good at pronouncing words at the best times. And that's, you know, hieroglyphics are even more difficult for me. He almost got it. To pronounce. Um, there's a phonetic language, I think actually.

Oh, well that's good. So HapShipSuit is spot on. Yep. Uh, I messaged Elijah about this cause they did study it at uni and they said, quote, with ancient Egypt, the way the language has been reconstructed actually doesn't include many direct equivalents to English vowels. And I think the closest living language is Coptic. So everyone's pronunciation is guesswork.

So you won't be alone with mispronunciations. Great. Cause that's a free pass. So there might be Egypt files, big Egypt heads out there listening. Oh, that's not how pass. That's pretty nice. Egypt falls. Big Egypt heads out there listening. That's not how you say Hapchup suit. And then you could say, actually, no one knows. Yeah, no native speakers left to prove you wrong.

Yeah. Didn't they did one time like recreate like the throat of a pharaoh? Did you ever hear that? Yes. He was upset, right? I think he was a he was a Pharaoh. Did you ever hear that? Yes. He was upset, right? Yeah. I think he was a demon. It was one of the funnier little news items I've seen. I reckon. Yeah.

Having some sort of British archaeologist being like, and this is what he may have sounded like, and it's just, that's the best. All right. So let's get into it. Hatchip suit. Maybe we need to give her a nickname. Hattie? Yes.

Hattie. OK, great. Hattie was born, hopefully that's not disrespectful. She's been, she's long dead, I should say. I'm sure people called her something else. They just didn't have abbreviations in the paroglyphics. Term of endearment. Hattie was born at the dawn of the new kingdom, which Elizabeth B. Wilson for the Smithsonian

calls a glorious age of Egyptian imperial power and prosperity. Born in 1507 probably, like all the dates and stuff aren't really, every source tells you a different date, but you know, something like that in BC. I was going to say, my god, only 500 years ago. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so we just add three thousand years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A long time ago. She was the daughter of the Pharaoh Thutmose.

Thutty, Thutty, yeah, Thutty, the thuttiest of all of them. He was the Thutmose number one, that is, and his great royal wife, Amos, great royal wife, is what they called the Pharaoh's main wife. So the Pharaohs would have lots of wives. Oh yeah, because they were a bit Mormon about it. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Thanks for putting in the terms I understand. Polly.

But yeah, they're very Polly. They had a harem of secondary wives as well. But yeah, he also had a favorite wife, which I guess was more political and stuff. It was about bloodlines and whatever. Yeah, Thutmose apparently means born of the god Thoth, which I think is fantastic. Okay.

Very lispy, like it a lot, Thoth. What's that god? Is he like known for anything or is he just kind of like that? Oh really? To be honest I'd never heard of him before but let me do a quick search. God Thoth. Can I say hearing all these names I'm getting why that guy's esophagus went haaa there's a lot of haaa's like the haaa. Like you hear the sound a lot. That is what he sounded like. Yeah. Oh no. he sounded like. Yeah.

Oh no, I can't pronounce that. Matt's showing me a picture here. I recognize that. He's one of the big ones. Often portrayed with the head of an ibis or a baboon. Quite different. Oh, I've seen the ibis version. His feminine counterpart is Seshhat.

Apologies for the pronunciations again. I probably won't apologize anymore. Okay. I think most Egyptologists have probably turned off. They already knew all this stuff. It seems. Yeah. Yeah. People do tune in to tell us what we got wrong.

It's like, you know about it. Yeah. Let's get this one. We're not the first source on this. Leave the knowledge for the rest of us. You're thirsty out here. According to Wilson, who I will quote from a bit, Haddie's dad, Thuddy the first, was a charismatic leader

of legendary military exploits. And Haddie may have come into the world about the time of his coronation, sometime around 1504 BCE. This means she would have been a toddler when he famously sailed home to Thebes with the naked body of a Nubian chieftain dangling from the prow of his ship, a warning to all who would threaten his empire. It's pretty full on move. Yeah.

The weird first thing to see of your dad as well. Yeah. Like, oh, dad's back. It's her first memory. With a naked man dangling from the front of his ship. Yeah, what's that on the boat? He's got a bit of a gift from a work trip. This is for you, darling.

Yeah, that's panicking. You're like, I forgot to buy a gift for my kid. Hey, you can have it. What can I find at the airport? It was a magnet or this. Yeah, anyway, pretty full on. While she was still very young, I think a lot of things happened to her very young, like in the first, basically before she was a teenager.

She was named Egypt's highest priestess, a big deal. Of this position, Kara Cooney in her book, When Women Ruled the World, Six Queens of Egypt, she writes, how do you gain all the material wealth that came with the Of this position, Kara Kuni in her book When Women Ruled the World, Six Queens of Egypt, she writes, Had he gained all the material wealth that came with the institutional household as well, she was now God's wife of Amun, another one of her many titles, a powerful holy woman in control of her own palace, income-producing lands, treasury storerooms, and hundreds of personnel from priests to bookkeepers to farmers tilling her fields.

She was trained to conduct rituals that maintain the workings of the universe by helping the god Eamonn remake himself sexually every morning. Okay. I'm not really sure what that means. A god. Sorry, we did look into what this means to remake yourself sexually. We did look into what this means to remake yourself sexually. I'm quoting an American historian. So I was hoping you might have been able to shed light on that term. Can I say I went to public school. So I think it was once you, once you lost it sexually, you were just kind of labeled a whore and shoved out to pass.

There was no remakes. kind of labeled a whore and shoved out to cash. There was no remakes. Not in the eyes of our God. I don't, yeah, I'm on, I'm trying to say he's another, he's like a blue guy with a big sort of hat. What a gig, huh? Like, did you remake Eamonn? And you're like, oh yeah, he's good.

We chatted, but he's good. Yeah. Oh, he's sexually reborn. He's up with this guy he's really remade. Feels like a lot of pressure there, she's good. We chatted, but he's good. Yeah. Oh, he's actually really remade. Feels like a lot of pressure. I feel she's just a kid and she's having to remake the universe every morning. Yeah. And she's the top priestess. Big pressure.

That's big pressure. Yeah. Like I don't even think she's 10 at this time. Um, but apparently she understood her cosmic importance. I mean, historians have to fill in so many gaps. They've got, you know, there is some writings and they've figured out the, you know, the Rosetta Stone or whatever. So they understand bits and pieces, but if things get lost in translation. There's no like Dear Diary going on. No, exactly. There should be. I mean, there actually are some writings like that

where she seems to be quoted almost directly, but obviously going through translations and I'm sure there's not appropriate words for everything. So how could we possibly know what it is? Thank you. Fill in the blanks. Fill in the blanks. That's right. You're telling a story. My publisher needs a manuscript by the morning,

and I've got like a few tablets to go off. I'm gonna have to fill in some blanks here. She was sassy. She was. She lit up every room she walked into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every morning she remade this guy sexually. That's such a wild claim that no one would question you

even if you did just check that out. Like, Matt's Googled it, nothing comes up, but it's like, oh yeah, I guess she was doing that. I mean, I didn't Google it, but, um, you, it's makes sense that you assumed I would have, I was up until, uh, three hours ago, uh, writing this up. I don't have an hour and a half sleep, but I'm feeling good. You're feeling remade? I am.

Luckily, I got in a little early, read myself, remade myself sexually, and I was good to go. Um, Wilson continues, she had it all. This is the one, this is to me so funny to like a modern historian talking about someone from thousands of years ago. Lean in. This lady had it all. She proved you really can have it all.

She was educated, trained in decision making, rich in palaces and estates, and thrown into close contact with the most powerful priests in Egypt, not to mention the king himself, which was her father. Yeah, to her, that's dad. Yeah, that's just dad. That's just dad. Thuddy. I would love training in to her. That's that. Yeah. That's just dad. That's just dad. Thuddy. I would love training and decision-making. What does that even mean?

They were just like left or right. You've got to think quick and they throw a ball at her. Yeah. It was dodge ball. Basically. Uh, it seems she idolized her dad though. Um, and, and was a big fan of like the system. Apparently she was into the patriarchy of it all.

She believed in the system, which makes sense when you're like, you know, you're born to the king and you're given one of the highest offices in the land. And you're eight. Yeah, yeah. Like what are you going to be like, dad, I've been looking at the situation and I have some ideas about the gender essentialism of our society. Yeah. I'm not so sure about this, dad.

Did I really earn this role? Um, I think, I think we should change to a meritocracy. Just put it out there, dad. Come on, study. Let's talk it out. Uh, yeah. So she idolized him a bit was keen to follow in his footsteps. She said, or at least this is what she later claimed, that her dad had quietly named her as his successor

when she was still young. Right, but so quietly only she heard it. Yeah, exactly. I think he whispered it. I think within the flock of children, there's a lot of ones who heard a quiet claim that they were the successor. Yeah, her seven siblings also had the same whispering. She didn't have, I think she only had one sibling,

but she had a lot of half siblings from the secondary wives. Anyway, yeah, the idea that her dad would have said that, scholars say that would have been highly unlikely, because as Wilson writes, there had been only two, possibly three female pharaohs in the previous fifteen hundred years and each had ascended to the throne only when there was no suitable

male successor available. And that's not just brothers, that's half brothers. You know, there's a whole brood of toddlers at any time because the pharaoh is getting out and about. Getting remade. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, it sounds exhausting. Yeah.

So yeah, the idea of a suitable male successor, ideally that would be the Pharaoh's son with his main queen or great royal wife. But if that wasn't possible, a sonny ad with a secondary wife would do. But yeah, there was a couple of cineros where there were none of those available and it had to go to a woman. Okay, so the word suitable feels important here because they're with all those kids.

There's there's definitely a son, right? Yes, but it's just not a suitable son. No, there is a son in this case. She is she she she doesn't get dumped straight to Pharaoh. A few things have to happen specifically inbreeding is probably on her side because. A hero's journey. I'm so excited. So Thaddeus Thutmose had the first that is had two sons. He he came in. He was sort of fresh blood.

The inbreeding sort of, you know, the family tree ended up being a bit of a, you know, just a stump, basically. And he came in as a bit of fresh blood, a little bit outside and reinvigorated everything and ended up being a really great Pharaoh for his reign of about a decade. And he did have two sons with Queen Armis, his main wife, but unfortunately they both died before Thought he did Obviously that I live him or as Wilson puts I really like this term and I've heard it before they pre deceased him What?

They pretty pretty system Like the way you preheat something it's like like, he just sees they just used it. Don't worry, dad. We've already got it. We've got you covered. Here's a death we prepared earlier. That means next in line became, uh, the son of the Pharaoh of one of his other wives. Uh, who her name was mutt.

No fret. Um, one more time. Muttnofret, probably not quite that, but. I love it. Yeah. Um, and when Thuddy, Thuddy number one died, uh, the young fella was crowned Thutmose Deuce. Ah, Thutmose the second.

Thutmose Junior. Yeah. Um. The most, well, one of them can't both be the most thuddy. The thud least. Even more thud. Yeah. Two thud, two handle.

Yes. Thuddy two, secret of the thud. So to consolidate his place on the throne, because he was, it was a little, you know, potentially could be, you know, his spot could have been threatened because they're like, you're not, you're not the main son. You're a secondary wife, you know, you're, Oh, right, right, right. You're not pure. Yep.

You're slightly diluted. Yeah, tenuous claim. Mut no fret. Who? Who's that? You are. Yup. You're slightly diluted. Yeah, tenuous claim. Mut no fret. Who? Who's that? So to consolidate his place on the throne, a marriage was quickly organized between him and his half-sister, Hattie, which made her a preteen queen of Egypt, probably around

the age of 12. Among other problems, do you know? Yeah, a bit young for queendom and to her brother, huh? A bit young to already be incesting. Well, only half incesting. Can I say, I think when you measure it out, half is more than enough. Yeah, yeah.

You're an incest glass half full? Yeah, yeah. If we incest, we round up. When I see a little bit of incest, I say, say no more. You've done the most. And yeah, apparently I've read different opinions on this, but her husband was potentially even younger than that, than 12. So a bit of an odd couple there.

Um. Grooming, grooming your little brother. Problemat, now she's canceled. Now they're all canceled. Um, so yeah, she became the next great royal wife. And according to biography.com, the marriage to her half brother, whose mother was a lesser wife, uh, was a common practice back then. And the idea of it was to ensure the purity of the royal bloodline. to a half brother whose mother was a lesser wife, was a common practice back then.

And the idea of it was to ensure the purity of the royal bloodline. Which the idea back then of what makes a pure bloodline is so funny, like just incesting it down to- To the same thing. So yeah, basically, you know, infertile children, which is what happens, pretty much. Among other things. Yeah, yeah. So pure, we're what happens. Pretty much. Among other things.

Yeah. So pure, we're taking it back to monkeys. So not a lot is known about her husband, 32, but Wilson writes, historians have generally described 32 as frail and ineffectual. They're like, he's shit. He sucks. Oh my God. That is like, he is shit. He sucks. Oh my God.

That is like a mean thing to say about someone we have no information on. Nine. Let him go through his prosper. That's the only information we have is that he was nine years old. He literally just learned to read. Give him a second. He hasn't even gone to decision-making class yet. What the book I read by Cooney, she's like, some say he reigned for three years,

some say he reigned for 10. And she's like, let's be generous because he left no impact on Egyptian society. Let's say he ruled for three and then maybe it's not so embarrassing. No impact. No impact. Yeah. Can I say take nothing but photos, leave nothing but footprints? That to me is actually a really good ruler.

Mm. 32 live by that. So they don't fix it. Yeah, yeah, things are going well. Like everyone said, like this whole period was meant to be a great period in Egypt. Yeah. So maybe it was just sitting back and letting it happen.

Yeah, sorry they kept cruising. Can I say no impact is better than bad impact? He didn't tank society. There was definitely someone in charge when the whole place fell. So you don't wanna be that guy. The last person holding Egypt, yeah. Anyway, despite him being a little loser,

monuments depict Hattie standing supportingly behind her husband. Is supportingly a word? Doesn't matter. You know what I mean. Though the couple had a daughter, so he was pretty infertile, but he was able to get one out.

Yeah, but a girl. That's like a half a one. Exactly. He couldn't do anything with that. That's basically infertile. Yes. He had kids with other wives, but a lot of them were pretty sickly.

And I think generally infant mortality rates weren't great, like it was a 50-50 kind of deal anyway. And him breeding with his half-sister did not help all of that. But anyway, Neferu-Rey is the name of their daughter. That's great too. But no son, Nefi I guess. That's really beautiful. Thank you.

Uh, Thuddy the Two, Thuddy the Two? Thuddy the Second, reigned for maybe 10 to 15 years, maybe 3 years. Like, I don't really know. But yeah, he didn't get a lot done and he died in his... A real bummer of an era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, no one's gone dressed up as that yet. Oh, you've come as 32.

Yeah. I'm actually pretty interesting. And my favorite is 32. I'm pretty unique actually. It's a deep cut. My whole personality is actually 32 and how much I stan him. So yeah, he didn't really leave a mark. And he left Hedy as a widow still in her 20s or something, you know, probably 20s.

And because there was no male heir with his main wife, the job went to the son of a secondary wife, Isis, not the god Isis, just all the terrorist organization. Just a secondary wife named Isis, not the god Isis, or the terrorist organization, just a secondary wife named Isis. And yeah, this new kid was very young, probably only a baby when he was selected, because all of his siblings and half siblings, well half siblings, yeah, they were all pretty young. So how was he picked? There was all these secondary wise kids. Oh yeah. Why is Isis number one?

Why'd he jump out? Isis is a kid. Oh, sorry. Isis. Soon to be 33. Well, according to Cooney, this is how they did it. An oracle was used to choose the next king among the gaggle of princes. Uh, what does this mean?

Yeah, if you got an oracle, use it. If I could know what God wanted. Can I say especially coming off this weak and ineffective era, I'd be like, I'll get an oracle in here. We cannot fend again. Yeah, please God help us out. We need a do over.

We're gonna take a mulligan on this one, God. Show us what you got. Do you imagine, wait, what if you're like a nine-year-old king and everyone calls you weak and ineffective and a loser, and then when you die, they pick a baby. This baby could just do it. Now we're onto something. Let's choose a strong baby.

That'll get us back on track. So yeah, the oracle, this is how Cooney describes it. In every oracle proceeding, the statue of the god Amun was brought out of his shrine and carried aloft by his high priests who then manipulated the god's movements to answer questions or give directions about future choices. So it's like, it's sort of like, you know, letting a Ouija board decide the next president. Yeah. Oh, tea.

Oh, that was a good idea. Can I tell you? Not a bad idea. Okay, it seems actually extremely irrelevant that they have this daughter who's so good at decision-making and has it all. They all. They're not even paying attention to that. They're like, let's do the Ouija board. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like it feels like if she was a boy, she would have been like clearly just the number one, no competition. She's an ex-fairer. But yeah, they went the long way around. I wish they had the Barbie movie. That would have really cleared things up for them. That actually, I think of my life in two periods, pre Barbie movie and post Barbie movie. That opened me right up.

Back then I would have been like, let's get the Oracle out. Now I'd say, let's make Barbie the Pharaoh. Yeah. What about a girl? Cooney continues. So all the young princes or nestlings, as they were called apparently, were gathered into a great hall of the sacred space

and the God Amun himself was brought forth as oracle to choose the king among them. The God moved about circling the boys, apparently mulling his decision, and then decided upon the young Th thuddy number three. Wow. Don't know what his name was before that, but. But they basically, they just like spun a wheel. Yeah.

And then it landed on the baby. Well, the way Cooney talks about it is she's like, we don't know what went behind it. Potentially, you know, the elites in the society, not like lizard people elites, like the higher up people or whatever. They, I know you have a big lizard people culture over there, don't you? In America? Oh yeah. I was like the president, I think.

We have ones. If I'm, if my source is on Reddit or correct. Um, yeah, we always went to a pizza shop or something. I forget, but anyway. Yeah. Yeah. This girl was there. Let me tell you, Hattie, she was remaking some people in the back.

Oh yeah. Big time. Um, so who oh my god That took me a moment. But yeah, that's funny and So, yeah The higher-ups picked this baby. Yeah, well that's what Cooney's like, we don't really know. Maybe that was just like spinning a wheel and, oh, what's the statue going to do?

He's a wacky guy. And that, and they were treating it like a wedgie board. Or she's like, maybe they, you know, they all went, we want this kid. And just so it's not on us. All right, make it look, the decision was made by the God and if he turns out to be another dud, uh, then we'd be like, well, geez, geez, the body God has sold us out again. He sold us a pop there, God. Um, so, or, or maybe, uh, she even suggested maybe they took drugs, uh, to get all of

their sort of, um, you know, prejudices out of the way and let them just feel it out. I like that idea. Maybe that's why they're circling around the kids and they're like, whoa, this kid looks like a son of a god. Because that's what the Pharaoh was, son of a god, which is pretty cool. You'd think it'd be more obvious which one's the son of a god. If one of them's the son of a god and none of the others I you think they have a little glow or something about him as someone who watched Hercules going up It was very clear that that kid it was special And that's what I know about sons of gods You know put him in a foot race

See which one is that right race them baby, which one of them throws a frisbee the hardest See which one of them throws a frisbee the hardest. Oh my God. Do people talk about Jesus being a young athlete? Does that, I've never read the Bible top to bottom, but. Yeah, he went to one of the early Olympics, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, okay. Great high jumper. Really good.

And people never talk about it. It's so weird. He was really good at swimming. Just ran across the top. But broke a lot of records back then. Anyways, I mean, it was the first one. So I guess that's. They did not have good training. They had no sense of proper nutrition.

That's right. They drink beers at halftime and stuff. Yeah. They turn the pool into wine. Yeah. Got wild. So yeah. Yeah. It got wild. So yeah, so we've got 33 now. 33, which is the baby.

And it means Hattie is no longer, you know, the wife of the Pharaoh. Right. She's now sort of like the auntie slash stepmom of the Pharaoh. Kind of like the queen mother used to be. Yeah. So it's a bit of a, it's a bit of a step back. And, uh, yeah. 30, 33 took, took the throne, um, as the baby King, uh, according to Cooney, um, this was kind of unusual for the time.

Uh, saying in charge. Yeah. That yeah. Really? I imagine that this is years before saying in charge. Yeah. That's yeah. Really? This is years before boss baby came out. Brand new. We were not doing that a lot. Don't judge us off this one baby King.

We don't, this is like not really what we do. A lot of not the norm, but yeah, she was like in any other place in the ancient world, if they had tried to install a toddler as king, like in the Levin in Mesopotamia, in Greece or in Rome, the young king's son would have been dead before the week was out, after which a mature ward lord still holding the bloody knife would have been installed in his place while his minions slaughtered the young king's surviving family members. She's like, that's what would have happened. That's what would normally have happened.

That sounds normal. I feel like if I was a warlord and I was like, Oh, they have a baby king. I guess I'll just take it. You just have to challenge the baby to one on one combat. Yeah. Listen, I cowered when they had that pathetic weak nine year old king. I said he's pathetic and a loser, but still someone I respect. And now they have a baby king.

It feels very in my face. You've got to kill him. So yeah, that's, that's what, yeah, makes sense. That's what would have happened anywhere else. But here they had a system in place and the people respected it. You know, I guess the, the God selected this baby. And I also sort of knew that I think it, cause it had, there'd been problems before where, um, there was drama around it.

People fought over the throne and it just ended up in trouble for everyone. So they're like, all right, this is the system. We maybe don't like it, but we'll just go with this for now and we'll wait out until they reach to another stump in their family tree and we can jump in there. So, 33 did eventually go on to be a great warrior king, but that was going to have to wait until he could at least walk and talk. According to Wilson, in these sorts of cases, it was accepted new kingdom practice for widowed queens to act as regents, handling the affairs of government until their sons, in this case stepson, slash nephew, came of age and had he got the assignment.

Apparently, like the way Wilson says it, this is kind of normal, but the, it would have really been more normal for the kid's actual mum to play that role. Oh yeah. What happened to her? I think cause she was a lesser secondary wife, Hattie sort of like a bit of background maneuvering, got the gig and it was, you know, it was all political really. But she's in charge then.

Yeah. She's basically in charge because the baby, you know, the baby's the king, but she's, she's working on behalf of the baby. Baby's top advisor. She's helping with decision making. She has no time. So I'll just handle this war. Yeah. She like the baby translator.

Well, yeah, no, no, I heard him say it. Heard him say it. Yeah. It's kind of, I mean, she's already, she's got form because she did say, yeah, oh yeah, my dad told me that I should be fairer like ages ago and no, no one else heard it, but he did say he whispered it to me. Oh, the baby whispered to me that yeah, I'm in charge now and yeah, I get a second helpings of dinner.

So that's what the baby King said. So I don't want to go against that. Um, so similar to 32 Hattie's brother, brother husband, 33 was portrayed in monuments as the King with Hattie standing supportive, supportingly behind him. And then she leaning over and holding up like a toddler's arms. What's going on? It's weird, very symbolic people, the ancient Egyptians apparently. And they just, his statues, even when he was very young, were just like Man-Ferro.

It was just, you know. They gave him like great abs. Oh yeah. He was ripped. He was the most ripped baby. Very tall baby too. He basically looked like a full adult baby. Great beard. Simo, it probably looked a bit like you actually. I'm an adult baby, very tall baby too. It basically looked like a full adult baby. Um, great beard.

Simo probably looked a bit like you actually. Adult baby. Yeah. Um, yeah. So despite the monuments, Hattie was really running the show, like I say, and within seven years, she actually fully took over the top job, um, and, and started calling herself the Pharaoh. She sort of like a very low key coup. Right, you saw that.

Oh my God. Like maybe like once a week start referring to herself as the Pharaoh, then twice a week, and eventually it's all you say. Yeah, yeah, the first time she said Pharaoh, oh sorry, I've misspoken there. And eventually she stopped saying, I've misspoken there. Yeah, maybe she starts saying,

advisor of the Pharaoh, Pharaoh, just regular. Pharaoh. Yeah, yeah mean she starts like an advisor to the pharaoh. Just regular. Pharaoh. So, yeah, she's now calling herself the pharaoh. She starts having monuments depicting her as the pharaoh. At first she was portrayed as a woman pharaoh, which was very unusual. And then they found ones a little while after that where she was sort of portrayed as a mix between a man and a woman as Cooney writes wearing a tight-fitting dress showing her feminine

hips and thighs but on her head she wore a masculine short wig and two tall ostrich plumes sitting atop rams horns. And this, Cooney contends, is very manly. As she writes, there isn't a more masculine headdress than one with ram's horns. I'll give you that. Yeah, I mean, plumes. That's testosterone. A woman would never wear plumes, not one I know.

Not a feminine one. No. And then eventually- Not a sexy lady with luscious thighs who married her brother. I like reading her work, but yeah, she really did pad things out. Feminine hips and thighs, you know, like this.

There's a word count we're hitting. Yeah, yeah. And then eventually the monuments went full man, as Wilson describes, a full-blown flail and crook wielding King with the broad bare chest of a man and the Pharaoh at the pharaoh on Nick false beard Right now that's big big for the fairies. Can we check in on what the hips were doing? What yeah, I think they were now they were just like they were thought

Like a dad her her brother husband, and her nephew. Before hearing it after. Do you know what the false beard means? Like they were wearing like a beard mercant. Yeah, I'm picturing it like a really cheap Santa costume, but um, Pharaoh false beard. I think, I think it's like it's on all those Pharaoh monuments if you're picturing one but I just never noticed it as a beard.

Oh, I never noticed it as a wig. The thing that comes from their chin. I think so, yeah. That piece, that long. Yeah, I think that's what it is, that sort of goatee. Yeah, like a very- Like they're in a 90s new metal band. But that's the longest goatee, like solid. Yeah. But I'm in a nineties new metal band. But like the longest goatee.

Like solid. Yeah. But, but I'm imagining them like taking it off and putting on their nightstand at night, like as a pair of earrings. I guess I'm really caught up on the word fake. Like why wouldn't they just grow it? I'm picturing Gavin Rossdale. Nice.

Oh yeah. I think, yeah. Uh, heartthrob sort of facial hair. Gavin Rossdale, that's um, the Bush, the Bush guy. Yeah. When Stephanie's ex. Yeah. There's rain, great stuff.

Pushed by name, pushed by nature. Oh yeah. He's very, very Bushy on the chin. That's maybe that's where it came from. We'll never know. Yes. We didn't record it. Um, so yeah, this is around 1473 BC when she became Pharaoh and she was the sixth of the 18th

dynasty. According to history.com, Hattie was only the third woman to become Pharaoh in 3000 years. I love our sum. Like history.com is like definitely the third and like proper historians will be like, we're not sure second or maybe third, but it's like the blogs and stuff can just be like third, whatever. Yeah, let's make a call. We'll round it up.

Um, yeah, but Hattie was only the third woman to become Pharaoh in 3000 years of ancient Egyptian history and the first to attain the full power of the position. thousand years of ancient Egyptian history and the first to attain the full power of the position Cleopatra, who also exercise such power, wouldn't rule for some 14 centuries. Wow. Yeah. Which I just picture it as a shorter thing, but it's a long, long, long, long, long for one civilization.

Pass the torch. Give it up. Joe Biden. You know what I mean? Yeah. Step aside, good. Step aside, old man. And my old man, I mean Egypt. Egypt.

That's something that America has really done well at, like being a quick world power. You know, you got in, you made a big splash and you're on your way out. I'm nervous. I'm nervous that we will go out with a splash and you're on your way out. I'm nervous. I'm nervous that we will go out with a bang and it'll take us all down. But but until then, we have had so much fun at the Olympics. And I have to say, Disney World, that's great. Oh, yeah, we had a really, really good work with Disney World. We said that. How else are you going to have ice cream in the shape of

a cartoon mouse? A mouse? Ashley was just telling me about, you know the Wisconsin Dells? Waterpark capital of the world. There's 15 water parks in one city. I mean, that's very great. Can I say, there might be more. There's so many water parks.

Next time, can I tell you, okay, Australia, listen up. This is actually hugely important. When you guys do your little, your trips across America, skip DC, go to Lake Dalton, Wisconsin, more water parks than you've ever seen in your entire life. Okay. Is there more water parks in one city than Wisconsin has people in the whole state? Yeah, there might be.

Yes, our sheep. I thought that was really unpopular. They've got 15 water parks. That's a wide one city. There's so many water parks. It's so fun. I think if you think a statue of Abraham Lincoln is gonna blow your mind,

wait till you see how many water parks they've got and all different kinds of water slides. You've got the tubes, you've got the straight down ones, you've got the ones where you kind of like jump up at the end. It's crazy. So anyway, I was just saying a lot could happen in just a small, you can get a lot done

with a shorter society. It's Wisconsin. Oh no, I think so. So you're thinking, oh, it's Wisconsin. It's what I know. I think so. So you're thinking oh, it's Wisconsin It's so cold there in the winter. Well, they also have indoor water parks. So even if you're coming through in February Oh, oh, yeah, it's like yeah, you can smell them from a mile away Is Wisconsin that is that the cheese state? Yeah Yeah

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Imagine a long day. You want to get full of dairy and then get straight into a water park. A long day slipping and sliding down a water slide. Okay. And then cheese curds out the ears. Cheese platter on a summer's day.

Beautiful. The freshest curds you've ever tasted. I should say, Australia is absolutely tied up in your empire as well. So when you fall, we fall. Oh yeah. We've, we've built many small water parks in tribute to you, but definitely not as good. We've got wet and wild. That sounds pretty name.

Yeah. It's next to- No, there's two. There's two on the Gold Coast. There's also a- White rapids or something. Yeah. White-

Rapids? Oh man. Yeah, Dreamworld one. Yeah, two. We've got this thing where on the Gold Coast, on the Gold Coast in Queensland, they've got four theme parks that are quite close to each other and you can. Five. Is there five?

Well, you should be able to get a four-park super pass where you can go to all four. I'm wondering, can you get a 15-park super pass in Wisconsin and go to all 15 in one week? I got to look into that. And if not, well, that's a business to consider. Pay for 14, get the 15 free. and go to all 15 in one week. I gotta look into that. And if not, well, that's a business to consider. Pay for 14, get the 15 free. A tiny and pathetic king to come in and take over. I think this is, Egypt feels like the place

that should have a lot of waterpark. I'm picturing very sandy and hot and dusty. What a great place. A pyramid. How you getting from the top to bottom? Down the pyramid. Slide on down. Well, wouldn't you say that the Nile River is like the original water park?

Oh yeah. It's like the slow bit where you get into like the rubber tube and float around. Oh you guys would go crazy for one of the biggest water parks in Wisconsin. It's called Noah's Ark. Oh good. That's good. There are quite a few like Bible, I mean I'm sure I've heard of one other one, Bible theme parks in America as well.

Yeah, that's good. We got a theme park for everything. We got Hershey's Park, that's a park based on chocolate, which I guess is also the Willy Lonka thing, so quite reasonable. But I feel like we've got a lot of- I mean, Dollywood. Dollywood, that's a theme park. We got a listener who came out to a Melbourne live show from Hershey.

Is that in Wisconsin as well? No, it's in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. And he, it's going to sound like everyone gives us candles. This is the one other time, but he gave us a chocolate scented candle from Hershey. What a, what a town. What a town. What a town.

Smell. In America, if you have a business good enough, the business is town now. You know what my favorite thing about chocolate? Certainly not the taste. It's not the eating, it's the smell. I love the smell. Yeah.

Love never getting to enjoy the taste. I want my whole house to just kind of smell, smell like a chocolate. It's like edging for food. Yeah, yeah. I should say beautiful gift if you're listening. Thank you so much. We enjoyed that. We sniffed it.

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And to save 10 percent off your first purchase of a website or domain Holy moly that is the value All right, so she's taking over the new role she is now the Pharaoh self-appointed although she's she's co-fair owing the baby or the toddler All right, she is still technically also Pharaoh. She hasn't quietly put him down. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Which if, you know, if she really hated him, like some historians suggest, she probably would have done that. Yeah. Accidentally, you know, send him down the, the Nile or something.

Um, but anyway, why this happened? No one really knows why she took it over. There are different theories. Egyptologists of the first half of the 20th century suggested it was because she was a devious betrayer of her stepson slash nephew, taking the position that was rightfully his. Oh.

Okay, losers, that's like the loseriest take on this over her devious, I mean, it seems like she just wanted to, why would she do it, why did she take over the throne? It seems like she wanted to. Why would you want to be the most powerful person in the kingdom? God, that's such a weird decision. But it is so funny.

She must be so devious. The things they, like in the early 1900s, the mid 1900s, the motivations they like projected onto her were very funny and very of the time, I would say. But yeah, biography, more modern ones disagree with that, biography writes, technically Hattie did not usurp the crown as study three was never just deposed and was considered co-ruler throughout her life. But it is clear that Hattie was the principal ruler in power, which makes sense.

She was the one who was, who could talk and stuff. Um, despite this, and I love that there's a lot of the experts in this field. Uh, the dated ones and the more modern ones seem to be based out of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. That's our thing. We have that. Yeah. Is there a big Egypt section there? Maybe.

Oh my gosh. Huge, huge, it's phenomenal. Yeah, great. Well, yeah, they have some of her stuff. We'll take a photo for you guys. That'd be sick. We gotta go see it. Yeah, that'd be amazing.

Get on down. So yeah, so one of these old school Egyptologists was fellow New Yorker, William C. Hayes, and he worked at the Met, and he called her quote, the vilest type of usurper. And also said that her becoming Pharaoh was when quote, this vain, ambitious, and unscrupulous woman showed her true colors. Wow.

Oh my God. So there's a lot of haters in the news. It's crazy to study a society where you get 3000 straight years of male rulers, except for two, maybe three aberrations and be like these fucking bitches. You only had to know three the whole time. Leave her alone. He hates them all. This is a guy, this is an American man in the you know when America's really kicking off. This is the 20s and stuff

Feminism was sort of booming until the Great Depression I think in America, but yeah, obviously he was he was a historian He was old school. He's like a woman taking the job and it's so funny doing it's so funny to call it like the vilest usurping he's a historian She didn't kill it. Like. Yeah, things have been vile-er. Why vile? I would say it might be the least vile usurping

if you even call it usurping. The least vile thing that's ever happened is to like co-king with a baby. Yeah, that's right. People are lopping off heads, killing family members. Oh my god, the other thing. And he's like, this is vile. When you were like, oh yeah, the normal thing to do

would have been for a warlord to come by and knife them to death and then hold it up and take the throne. Knife the baby. Respectfully, knife the baby. Yeah, not in a vile way. There's a system. This evil, horrible, horrible woman,

she co-kings like a bitch. We hate her. So I did, yeah, it's amazing how quickly, but yeah, modern scholars do not think about it in that way at all. They're like, he does not represent us. Yeah. And you know, a lot of them, like nearly everyone I quote is American. Um, like Renee

Dreyfus curator of ancient art and Interpretation at the fine arts museums of San Francisco has said so much of what was written about Hattie I think had to do with who the arco archaeologists were gentlemen scholars of a certain generation To me generation. It's not gentleman to me. They don't seem nice. Yeah, like he sounded ang- like the words made it sound like he was taking it personally. Like it was his family.

Like he was the baby. Yeah. Wilson writes another element of her reign that was disconcerting to some scholars was her insistence on being portrayed as a male, which we talked about before with bulging muscles and the traditional pharaonic false beard, the, uh, the Bush, Bush beard, um, variously interpreted by those historians as an act of outrageous deception, deviant behavior, or both. Um, according to Kathleen Keller, a professor at the university of California at Berkeley, of outrageous deception, deviant behavior or both. According to Kathleen Keller, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley said though,

she was not pretending to be a man, she was not cross-dressing. I mean, there's a pattern here as well. It was like, all the, it seems like all the Egyptologists of the modern day are women. And they're all like, oh, what were they talking about? So maybe it'll cycle back around, the next generation will all be men. And they go, no, no, the first guys of women. And they're all like, what were they talking about? So maybe it'll cycle back around, the next generation will all be men

and they'll go, no, no, the first guys were right. She was a bitch. She was a bitch, she looked like a man, and we hate that. It's so funny to be like, all we have are these etchings. However, it seems that she was a big time cross dresser. Let the baby speak? Surely the artists were drawing exactly

what they saw before them, which was her wearing a false beard for sure. That Berkeley University of California academic, Keller, she also said the inscriptions on these statues, um, weren't trying to hide it, they all revealed her true gender with titles such as daughter of Ray or Ra or feminine word endings, uh, resulting in strange, um, titles such as his majesty herself. Okay.

So, yeah, she's like, he, she wasn't hiding it. It was written there. Everyone like they could see her. I feel like every, like are they saying that every Pharaoh of Horhen when they're depicted with huge muscles and statues, that was accurate. Yeah, that was photo really. They definitely were those. They were all jacked. Yeah.

Yeah. They were jack Jack, man. Um, and then, yeah, I liked this, uh, from Joyce, uh, Tilda Slee writing for Britannica. Um, she agrees and it's like such a fun backhander to those guys who were saying, what, what, what was she doing? Cross-dressing, trying to pretend she was a man deceiving everyone. Um, yeah, Tilda Slee, uh, wrote to think it was a serious attempt to pass herself off was a man, deceiving everyone. Yeah, Tildesley wrote, "'To think it was a serious attempt "'to pass herself off as a man

"'is to misunderstand Egyptian artistic convention, "'which showed things not as they were, "'but as they should be. "'In causing herself to be depicted as a traditional king, "'had he ensured that this is what she would become.'" So it's sort of like a little back end of it, like if you understood Egypt society at all, you know that is a ridiculous thing to say, man.

It's also so funny, like what they give a pass. They're like, well, the king was the son of God. That's just a given. But this statue is so fucking preposterous that we don't know what to do with it. I'm using oracles to put babies in charge, but a lady with biceps? Evil. I mean, this is early 1900s guys putting words, like as far as we know, the men back then were like, yeah, I mean, I don't think they were cool with it. Otherwise there would have been more than the very few female um, fair as there were, but, um, yeah, anyway, this is why she's like, like,

you know, whatever you think of her, I don't think she's like some, uh, some bitch or whatever she's like quite formidable, impressive, surely. She had it all. Yeah. I think obviously she's a bit of a bitch but Waited twice like she got passed up two times then finally she said, you know I think a baby could use some help and that seems so reasonable Like that's kind to the country. It was the country just gonna run itself

mmm, and she's like I was I've I've My last led to this. Yeah. Like there was no one more qualified than her. Yeah, I've been a high priestess since I was nine. Know what I'm doing. I got this. I talk to God on the reg.

Her resume unbeatable in the region. If anyone else applied, they would have said, yeah, no, you don't have what she has. Yeah. Not if it was a gender blind process, but. Yeah, they might have had real bulging muscles. So yeah, so the early thoughts when they, cause she was, I'll talk about it soon,

but she kind of almost disappeared from history for a long time. And that's why it's these early 1900s guys who had all these theories, cause she was unknown for quite a while. Um, and I'll, I'll come back to that soon, but yeah, the early theories in those early 1900 years was she was a bitch and she was a vile and she usurped, uh, this kid, uh, it was awful. Um, which, you know, how many Kings and leaders and stuff have done that this kid. Get the rightful baby. It was awful.

Which you know, how many kings and leaders and stuff have done that forever. But putting that to one side, modern scholars don't seem to think that's true now anyway, with many arguing that she only took on the job to protect their dynasty's hold on the throne, including the young pharaohs. According to Wilson, modern Egyptologists now suggest that it was some sort of a political crisis such as a threat from a competing branch of the royal family that obliged Hattie to become Pharaoh. She's like, if we just leave it as this kid, the two of us together, an adult woman and a baby man, us together might be enough to hold off the challenges from the competition.

She's like, the baby is very vulnerable. and a baby man us together might be enough to hold off the challenges from from the competition. She's like the baby is very vulnerable if he's and you know it turned out to be true because she she ended up reigning for over 20 years. Whoa! And yeah Catherine Rohing creator of Egyptian art at the Met in New York said far from stealing throne, Hattie may have had to declare herself king to protect the kingship for her stepson. Backing up, this idea is the way she treated her stepson slash nephew 33 during her reign. He wasn't under house arrest for those 20 odd years, says Roig. He was learning how to be a very good soldier, which he went on to become. He, like, he, he takes over when she dies and becomes like a great Pharaoh in his own role.

Um, Wilson continues. And it's not as if Hattie could have stepped down when her stepson came of age, uh, saying, uh, once you took on the attributes of kingship, that was it. You were a God. It's not queen for a day. It's king for all time. So you can't go, I'm the, you know, I'm it. You were a god. It's not queen for a day, it's king for all time.

So you can't go, I'm the representative god. You can't just like quit that job. Otherwise the whole system falls apart. So she's like, I can't just hand it back to him. Has to be passed on when I die sort of thing, which is interesting. Cause people are like, if she was really doing it for his benefit, she would have stepped aside

when he was an adult. But he was. You can't just step. You can't just step. Also sounds like it all worked out. He got it. Yeah, that's right. Everyone got to, like, I just don't, I don't understand the problem.

So everyone got a turn and that's worse. And he got like, cause he, you know, he's still got it relatively young. He got it in his twenties and he reigned for like 30 years. Oh, great. So yeah, that seems like it all went. And, and I should say, like I said earlier, and we haven't really been talking about it, everything's gone great. Egypt is just like, uh, in a huge, hugely prosperous era.

Everything's gone fantastic. So the time people probably, probably aren't questioning it. Cause they're like, it's, it's a good thing. I imagine if, if things were going bad, she wouldn't have lasted 20 years. Yeah, yeah. That's so true. Cooney says in later text, Hattie baldly and perhaps somewhat defensively states, and so she obviously did write some sort of diaries or had some things put down

because they did have record keeping things, but it wasn't about, it wasn't very broad, very specific records were kept. But anyway, apparently the translation makes it sound like she took on the power only because her godly father Amon, the one she sexually reawakened every morning, asked her to do so. She tells us that her human father, 31, introduced her as king to his elites before his death. She tells us that everyone wanted her to be king at such occasions. They were like, yeah, you'd be a great king. That's what she's right. It's like decades after the fact.

Everyone like high five to me. Everyone's saying, yeah, there's probably never going to be a king as good as you. You're the best king. I know you're not king yet, but you would be such a good king. Um, and that that's a strong position to be in, right? Saying God wants me to good king. And that's a strong position to be in, right? Saying God wants me to be king. So then anyone who wants to like argue that, they're like basically, you're going what?

You disagreeing with God. Yeah, you're calling God a liar? You're calling God a liar, what? I have to use that trick next time I fight with Ashley. We fight a lot. And I tell you, I never think to put God on my side. Yeah. I don't think God's a liar.

So boy, oh boy, would you get me with that one. Why would God lie? He's got no reason to lie. Will God help you pick your next memoir? Yeah, he picked a baby memoir. It's a short episode. So yeah, so she went from Regent to Pharaoh, something around seven years. I don't know how long it was.

A few years she was Regents. She was like, you know, looking after him and then took it over full time or, you know, splitting it about seven years in maybe. And she also took on a new name, which I will mispronounce, but it's something like Mart Carey, which may translate to something like truth is the soul of the sun god Ra or Ra. Very efficient language. It may or may not translate to the most perfect beautiful girl in the world. In the 20s the men are like it may translate to vile woman.

Evil Kniver, which was an to vile woman. Yeah. Snake. Interesting name. She chose it. That's a beautiful name. A truth. Truth is the soul of the sun. God raw. I love it. Yeah.

Beautiful name for a boy or girl. Um, so Matt Carray, whatever. She's also known as she's known in a bunch of different things. According to Wilson, the key part of this name is the Mart, which is the ancient Egyptian, and I'm so sorry, Egypt people still listening that I know that's not probably how you say it, but the ancient Egyptian expression of Mart is all about order and justice as established by the gods, maintaining and perpetuating Mark to ensure the prosperity and stability of the country required a legitimate Pharaoh who could speak as only Pharaohs could directly with the gods by calling herself Mark Kara. Hattie was likely reassuring her people that

they had a legitimate ruler on the throne. Don't worry guys. So a lot of this, so, you know, some historians like a lot of this stuff of her saying, Oh, no, dad said he wanted me to do it. The gods are telling me that it's not just her big noting herself or whatever. It's not necessarily self interest. It's like, it's a way of making everyone else feel this is okay. We don't have to be nervous. She's she's meant to be there. God said so. Yeah, I got this. So yeah, I guess you could take it either way, but no one, no one knows. All of this is guesswork. Um, or emotives and whatnot. Uh, a big part of creating the idea of Ma, uh, with the people was building monuments, um, I guess to sort of project a connection with the gods and Hattie excelled in this area because things were going well in society. So she, she had a real chance of build you know she was.

She's like women though right to come in and like redesign the place. The things play finally king and i want an extension on the pool house she's putting it on suites on every bed. So this is what wil Wilson wrote about it. Her building projects were among the most ambitious of any pharaohs. She began with the erection of 200 foot tall obelisks at the great temple complex at Karnak. Reliefs, which is a term I know, but they are like, they seem to be like engraved sculptures that tell the stories of things that have happened. like engraved sculptures that tell the stories of things that have happened.

Uh, so there are reliefs that I found commemorating the event, um, of, uh, uh, erecting the obelisks, uh, each weighing about 450 tons being towed along the Nile by 27 ships manned by 850 oarsmen. Wow. I look like a building project's great, but normally like, is there any more useless project than a big stick? That's what an obelisk is, isn't it? Isn't that just a big stick? Big pointy thing, yeah.

Yeah. We've got one of those right by the Lincoln monument too, I think. Oh yeah, the Washington. Yeah, worth checking out in DC when you're there. Yeah, the Washington monument is a big stick. So if you hate those, then heed my warnings. Skip it and go to the water park. Yeah, I think I'd rather the water park.

I'm 100% going to Wisconsin. And so like everyone, I think most Australians who travel to America would go to the same, maybe five places, generally speaking. California, maybe a couple of cities in California. Somewhere in one of the big cities in Texas. Austin. Maybe New Orleans. Yeah, probably Austin, that's what I did. New Orleans.

New York City. Maybe Boston, I think would be probably, or maybe Miami if they like Disney. Oh yeah. Don't you reckon Dave? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's the common one, but I think they are really skipping over Wisconsin, especially

now it's got now we know it's 15. I mean you can- Plus water parks. First of all, it sounds like everyone's skipping Chicago. That's a really good one. Oh and Chicago, yeah. Yeah, Chicago is actually in popular too, yeah. Drive up to Wisconsin, have the water park, the wet and wild weekend of your life, and then you can go to, I guess, Boston.

Ashley, are you talking about a water park? Water park? You really gotta land the K. I think you're getting lost in the R. Yeah, the R's are brutal. I think you're going to be lost in the R. Yeah, the R's are brutal. I think the real... Because we don't pronounce them. You're not making it to the K at the end of that. Water, water park, park.

Yes. That sounds like a water park employee. Oh my God, do you know what my name is? Water Park. Claire Parker. Claire Parker. Can you hear that? Hey, Claire Parker

Hey what what a pleasure to see you Claire Parker Would you like to buy some propane I was getting more Kermit the frog My it was Tiger Woods, but you know. Really? We've all got a different take there. Yeah, that's right. I'll never listen back to this. I'm sure you were more accurate than me.

Yeah, but I think Wisconsin, I'm assuming you are in the pocket of Wisconsin tourism, but you are doing a good sell. Thank you. Thank you so much. I believe that was our one advertiser. The state of Wisconsin. So yeah, she, Wilson continues about her public works program across the Empire. It was mainly concentrated around the area of Thebes, which is like the theological and

dynastic center of the Thuddy dynasty. And she built a network of imposing processional roadways and sanctuaries at Deir el-Bari, which was named many centuries later. I don't know what she would have called at the time, which was just across. I hate to interrupt, but this sounds a lot like FDR. And in my country, America, we loved that guy. Oh yeah. He famously built roads and stuff and we like, that was as good as it got for us.

FDR, see the one in the wheelchair? Yep. Yep. Who was in the Annie musical. Yep. Yeah. I mean, he adopted the little girl that's our America's princess, Annie. That's great.

Yeah. He built a lot of roads and we loved that about him. We had one guy who was going to build roads and he was the only one. We've gotten not a road since. But I'm just saying, I think people might have really loved that about her. In our country, we love it when people build roads. Oh yeah. I mean, yeah, you, I mean, you invented cars, right?

Basically you made them, you made them what they are and What would they be without roads? True the infrastructure people love an infrastructure project. It gets people employed. That's right. It's connecting communities It's great for the economy So she's that she's's that. Yeah, that's right. She's made, you know, in a prosperous era, you can just like hoard the cash or you can spend it. You can hire 850 oarsmen to tell a useless monument if you want. Yeah.

I imagine they're all getting paid really well. I forgot about that bit. Yeah. paid really well. I forgot about that bit. Um, yeah. So, so she's getting stuff done and apparently her magnum opus, the thing she's most famous for was an immense memorial temple, uh, used for special religious rites connected to the cult that would guarantee Hattie perpetual life after death. So this is a bit of, this one's for me, my big magnum opus building. That's where I'm gonna be buried.

And yeah, it will guarantee my afterlife. I forgot that you have the tunnel after that. This is a road for you, and then the big building, that'll be my thing. Yeah, I'm building a road so you can come and say hi to me in death, you know? You'll be able to get there easy. We had this other president, Trump,

and he did something similar. Trump FDR hybrid, which is, I mean, if you could get another one of those, they'd win a landslide. Wouldn't they? Trump should try sitting down. Oh, okay. For the imagery. So yeah, this temple, pretty sick.

Tildesley calls it a famous example of creative architectural exploitation of a site. Oh, isn't that high praise? Incredible. A site. I'm like, bloody hell. Tildesley. And does it is it still around at all? Yes, yes, it is. It was sort of it was kind of lost and uncovered and, and they've, they've

worked at putting it back together a little bit because it's still there. Um, yeah, I think it's seen as one of the wonders of the ancient world or whatever. Cool. If that may be. Or whatever. Oh, you know, like whatever. It's no Wisconsin Dells, but. Yeah, that one's going to send the test of time.

So yeah, of the of this building, I'll just read a couple of paragraphs of Wilson about the site dramatically sited at the base of towering limestone cliffs, the temple, which is regarded as one of the architectural wonders of the ancient world. Oh my God. Why don't I go? Oh, whatever. Oh, whatever Oh, whatever. I went off script and it was fucking right there moments later. Anyway, um, and it is approached through a series of terraced

colonnades colonnades and Courtyards that appear to ascend up the very side of the mountain Despite the enormous scale of the complex and I like how she puts it in terms of can understand roughly the length of two and a half American football field Its overall impression is one of lightness and grace unlike the fortress like temples of her predecessors There's a woman's touch But of a lot of touch beautiful the temples lower levels featured pools and gardens planted with fragrant trees how they would know that I Don't know supersized images of Hattie were everywhere, some a hundred colossal statues of the female pharaoh as a sphinx guarded the processional

way. Lining the terraces were more images of the ruler, some more than ten feet tall, in various devotional attitudes, kneeling with offerings to the gods, striding into eternity or in the guise of Osiris, God of death and resurrection. Miraculously, a number of these statues survive. Most are massive, masculine, and meant to be seen from a distance. That really, that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

It sounds really cool. Wilson has a way with words. Meant to be seen from a distance. Oh my God. Fantastic. Looks like bullshit up close, but take a step back and you will love it. Um, yeah. Is this, is she sounding like any other presidents now? Someone who's just made so many monuments of herself.

Yeah. There's a few. Yeah. And there's so many places called Lincoln. He probably didn't do that himself, but Lincoln's big. Oh, yeah. Especially the statue of the big Lincoln. Oh my God.

And that one looks good from afar. You go far away and you look at it and you go, okay, now I can see the whole thing. And that's nice. The first I heard or saw of that big Lincoln was the twist for the Mark Wilberg Planet of the Apes where it's a... Where in the chair was actually an ape instead. An ape, yeah. Abraham Lincoln.

Which is so crazy that that film was panned. That is good stuff, I would say. But anyway, sort of coming towards the end here. So yeah, I don't, I probably don't think she was a vile ambitious usurper that some suggest, but she was obviously somewhat ambitious, you know, you're likely, unlikely to find yourself in her position without a bit of drive. And she was- I will say that's not even true. She was born to the king.

Yeah. She was born to the king, passed up twice and then there was a baby next to her. How ambitious do you have to be to usurp a baby? Yeah, she had to look over and go, oh, fine. I mean, I don't know if I would have. Like, oh, it sounds like a lot of pressure. He's, I think he's got it. I think he's doing great.

Look at him. I think he's advanced actually. I think it literally is more work to take care of a baby than it is to usurp a baby. She just didn't want to have to look after him. I think it seems like anyway, she she was good at you know background politics and Diplomacy and that sort of stuff as Cooney writes She was a master at cloaking her political ambitions in a veil of ideology Taking the onus of any power grabs off herself and calling her actions simply the will of the gods

But also she may have just believed this stuff right you've brought up believing that the gods are controlling everything Yeah, you're brought up saying yeah, your dad's the son of God. Yeah, she talks to God every morning. You probably fully just believe it, right? Yeah, why would she be a master manipulator? Her dad was like, the pharaohs chose, like, you're the pharaoh. I picked you, you're the god. And then everyone was like, no, you're not.

She's not manipulating them into thinking it's true. She's like, no, this is like for real. I know God. I literally just talked to him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He said it, you know, not in so many words, but it was a vibe thing. There was a whisper.

Yeah, yeah, I could tell what he meant. He meant, yeah, I'm basically his son now, I think. Is that right? Yeah. So yeah, anyway, yeah, Cooney was probably a bit more pessimistic about it all, um, but yeah, talks about how, you know, she showed herself in temple scenes in Nubia and Elfen times, so sorry about the pronunciation of these and Thebes interacting directly with the gods as no region or God's wife of Amun ever had before Egyptian elites. directly with the gods as no regent or god's wife of Amun ever had before.

Egyptian elites, I mean no wife of Amun had ever been Pharaoh before either, so feels like it's not like for like. Yeah. She's breaking the glass ceiling guys, give her a break. Yeah. Egyptian elites had never before seen the god's wife of Amun depicted so large, so close to the gods performing rituals that normally only the king had power to perform, which I mean, she, and she was the king. So I don't really know why that, why, um, they've said that, but anyway, I probably shouldn't have, I shouldn't be voicing those weird opinions.

Uh, Tittlesley, I've said Tiddlesley's name different every time, but anyway, Tiddles the, there's a new one. The seventh way I've pronounced their name. Um, they write that Hattie never explained why she took the throne or how she persuaded Egypt's elite to accept a new position, but it just seems like she, you know, it made sense. That's probably how she was like, come on.

I'm already doing the job. Yeah. Like, yeah, you're right however an essential element of her success was a group of loyal officials many hand-picked who controlled all the key positions in her government but yeah she's obviously pretty pretty good people person or whatever one of her loyal officials was a guy named Sennin Mutt He had a strange career getting involved. Like his entry into life as an elite was being Hattie's daughter's tutor. Oh.

And he was a climber. This guy's like- That's a good way in. He's not born into that. No. And Hattie obviously liked him because from tutor. He went on to gain 93 different titles, including great steward of Amun, um, who was the God of Thebes. So yeah, 93, you couldn't even remember your own title.

Yeah. That's a lot of titles. A lot of titles. Imagine having to write those down on a form. Or like if you get rejected every time that guy's not getting a visa. He just can't remember his username. He's no visa with him. He just can't remember his username. It's one of these.

Oh, that's too long. Too long. So he wasn't a royal himself, but he, as he got more power, he started getting monuments built honoring himself as well, which was apparently, um, bit unusual. Um, for a, for a tutor. Yeah. Just for a, for a pleb. And can I say public school teachers, they deserve every monument they get.

So yeah, that's right. Rise them up. Preach. I'm a son of one. I'm a son of one. Yeah. Big union man, my dad as well. All right.

I love that. If he's listening, uh, work is united. Whatever. Whatever. Anyway, uh, if you are, if listeners want to take anything out of today's episode, unionize and visit those Wisconsin water parks, um, according to history.com, some have suggested sentiment might've also been had his lover, but little evidence exists to support this claim. But it doesn't stop a lot of people suggesting it. had his lover, but little evidence exists to support this claim. Well, the 93 title.

That's what a lot of people are suggesting. As well as the secret lover theory, some Egyptologists in the 20th century believed that he was actually the one pulling all the strings behind the scenes. Well, I mean, there must be a man here somewhere. That's exactly what they said. a man here somewhere. That's exactly, that is exactly what they said. In 1961, historian Alan Gardner wrote, not even a woman of the most virile character could have attained such a pinnacle of success without masculine support.

Wilson writes that Gardner has now been largely discounted by experts as a woeful underestimation of Hattie. But so it is very funny. I mean, obviously there would have been men supporting her as well, because, you know, you can't be keen with no support at all. Yeah, everyone's against you. The whole country. The whole country supports you.

God's a man, famously. Yeah, but that's the key for all the male pharaohs as well. Like he's going, he's leaping to the conclusion that that means she couldn't have any power at all and she's just a puppet, which is, anyway, they've discounted Gardner's thoughts pretty conclusively. I've had an hour and a half sleep by the way. Yeah. Normally I have, normally I have a huge vocabulary.

You know, the best vocabulary is. Um, so wait, where am I? Oh yeah. I said, we're coming up with the end, but we are, we're last few pages and I, my font is very big. I am waning. I will. I'm really impressed with all this research.

Yeah. I feel like I'm going to have multiple sources. It's so difficult. We have like one thing and then we're like, don't ask us a second question. We won't address it. Which is so funny when you did the episode I was listening to was about John Mulaney's ex-wife and the book doesn't address John Mulaney at all.

No. Which has got to, that's got to, the publisher must have been, come on, please. Well the one I was listening to on the drive in was about Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, which he say he mentions the band with what, two or three pages to go? Yeah. I've been so inactive. And then he's like, and then I met a guy who had a pretty funny idea about lyrics.

Where would this go? And you're like, wait, no, that's what I showed up for. Tell us about that, Flea. He's doing it, that's a cliffhanger. Come on, come on, another chapter, another chapter. Please, a bit more. So how long did he spend on his first three years of life in Melbourne?

Because I think he was born here, wasn't he? A lot, like 100 pages. Oh really? I consider him an Australian celebrity because of how much he gave to Australia in his book. Oh, that's good. I would have assumed he would not have paid any... Yeah, I thought he wouldn't even remember. Wasn't he like three or something when he left?

You know, you say that he references himself as a, I feel proudly Australian and things like that. Really? Yeah. I think of him as the most Californian man in the world. He loves his grandma. She was from Australia. Gotcha.

So, Tiddles Lee, again, that's another one I think, writes, traditionally Egyptian kings defended their land against the enemies who lurked at Egypt's borders, but Hadi's reign was essentially a peaceful one. Peaceful, prosperous. It was just, it was a great time to be in Egypt. It's so great.

So women should be president. Yeah, all the time. It sounds like it's, it went really well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it seems to have. Sounds like things were never better. And yeah, her foreign policy was mainly based on trade rather than war, which was

a bit of a change up as well. But there were there are scenes on the walls of one temple in Western Thebes that suggests she did have a short successful military campaign in Nubia early in her. Okay, so she had a whack at war, crushed it, got bored, moved back to peace. Like what could this lady do? She showed I can do that if I want. Yeah. I'm just not in the mood right now to have war. And the biography writes, and I don't know if this is, I don't know if she went the right way here, but it writes, unlike other rulers in her dynasty, she was more interested in ensuring prosperity and building and restoring monuments throughout Egypt and Nubia than conquering new lands. I don't know. Yeah. year was more interested in ensuring prosperity and building and restoring monuments throughout Egypt and Nubia than conquering new lands. I don't know. Yeah. Till the soil at home.

Yeah. Yeah. Be happy with what you've got. Like what you want is in your own backyard. I learned that early. Is that why you left New Jersey? Well, yeah. Well, I left my backyard, but I could see New York from my backyard.

It's a metaphor. You carry it with me spiritually. I'm all the way with you. Big time. Um, one, so she had beginner trading, one great trading expedition that seems to be a most famous one, it's the one that's referenced in every article you read, which is fine. When you read one article, you're like, oh, they're just summarizing all these great things.

And then you read 10 articles and they're just slightly differently worded versions of the same. They're like, they don't know that much about this woman. I don't think. Yeah. But anyway, one great trading expedition during a raid, a rain was to a land called punt, which no one knows exactly where it was, but some think it's in modern day Eritrea.

And there are reliefs, those sort of sculptures made about telling the story, commemorating the trip. And Wilson writes that they show the Egyptians loading their boats in punt with an array of highly prized luxury goods ebony Ivory gold exotic animals and incense trees never reads an inscription With such things brought to any king since the world was just doing things No one had ever done before got some good stuff killing it at trading. I wonder I don't it doesn't say what she gave up for that Yeah, it was a bad trade. Yeah, it was a bad trade. She gave up babies and bad heaps of babies.

Yeah, but you can make a new baby. They never even seen incense. Yeah. Can I say relief sound like podcasts? Yes. Kind of the podcast of Egypt. With the modern relief. Tittlesley writes, towards the end of her reign, Hattie allowed 33 to Egypt. With the modern relief.

Tittlesley writes, towards the end of her reign, Hadi allowed 33 to play an increasingly prominent role in state affairs and following her death after 20 odd years on top, she was in her 40s maybe, 33 ruled Egypt alone for 33 years. So he had a great stint. He was apparently, he was also really good, but he was more of a warrior. He was more of a, you know, he went, took it back to war. I don't like that about him. Yeah. You know, we had 20 something years just to like pent up aggression.

Yeah. Banks to IC. Yeah. Get the hit list going. He's like, that's not what I would have done, trade. I would have killed him. I'll show you. So her tomb, which she built, which was really sick, obviously Wilson writes that

it was large enough to accommodate both her sarcophagus and that of her father. Re-burying him in her tomb was yet another attempt to legitimize her rule. It's believed that Hattie died around 1458 BCE. According to biography in recent years, scientists have speculated the cause of her death to be related to an ointment, uh, used to alleviate a chronic genetic skin condition, um, a treatment that contained a toxic ingredient after testing of artifacts near the tomb with has revealed traces of a carcinogenic substance. So this is a theory, but they think that might be.

Right, she had a skin condition, but you said that. That's so crazy that they're like, oh, toxic ointment for her genetic skin condition. Yeah, yeah. You can't have it all. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, with her death, 33 became Pharaoh,

and according to old historian, that guy thought, uh, she was, uh, conniving bitch, so he can really trust that what this guy's about to say. William C Hayes said 33 had developed a loathing for Hattie, her name and her very memory, which practically beggars description, which is just, he's, you know, he's, he's, uh's put two and two together, got 17. Yeah. But you, you might at the moment you go, what, what's he basing that on? But you, you, you might see his logic in a second because he suggests that this is what,

he suggests that this is why he carried out the destruction of many of her monuments, basically in an attempt to wipe any trace of her reign from history. He thought he three just just basically he bricked up around her monuments and statues knocked down things smashed it all up. Ah, weird. Okay. Isn't like up. Ah. That's rude. That's weird. Okay, isn't like loving. No. So that's, so you can understand William Hayes' idea that, okay, maybe, yeah.

He obviously was pissed off and he couldn't wait. But what he doesn't mention was it didn't have, he didn't do that just after she died and he was Pharaoh. He did it decades later. He did it deep into his own reign. So it wasn't like this buildup of fury. It was obviously for some reason and he didn't really think about it that much, old hazy. But yeah, more modern day ones disagree with that. I'll talk about it in a second. But centuries later in 1927, Egyptologist

Herbert Winlock witnessed some of the destruction. Wilson writes, signs of desecration were everywhere. Eyes had been gouged out, heads lopped off. The Cobra-like symbol of royalty hacked from foreheads. Winlock, head of the Met's archaeological team in Egypt, had unearthed a pit in the Great Temple complex at Deir el-Bari. In the pit were smashed statues of a pharaoh, which of course was Hattie. The images had suffered almost every conceivable indignity, he wrote, as the violators vented their spite on the pharaoh's brilliantly chiselled smiling

features. To the ancient Egyptians, pharaohs were gods. What could this one have done to warrant such blasphemy? In the opinion of Winlock, and other Egyptologists of his generation, plenty, Winlock wrote that 33 quote could scarcely wait to take the vengeance on her dead that he had not dared in life. Basically, he was scared of her, but as soon as she died, he really messed up. That's such a cowardly thing, be like, say nothing in life, but then when she's gone, yeah, and then you start chiseling her face off. 20 years later.

Yeah, like Punching a statue She walks in the room Yeah, like I say more modern scholars Don't really believe in that anymore, as Tittlesley writes, rather than an act of vengeance. Now it seems like 33 was just ensuring that the succession would run from 31 through 32 to 33

without female interruption. That's all he was probably doing. And this was, which seems, you know, that's weird. Well, what does that matter? I hate female interruption. Yeah. Yeah. We love it.

Jump in at any point. So I should have said that. Yeah, we've been shy. Sorry. Um, so yeah, but the idea is basically to avoid anyone disputing his or his son. And he didn't name him 34. No, he named his son Ammon. He named his son Ammon Hotep the second.

And yeah, he was basically like, I'm doing this to make sure no one goes. You're after he does it, your son. Oh, he he shouldn't be a ruler. He's come through this this woman chain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, your son, he shouldn't be a ruler. He's come through this woman chain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the idea, apparently. God forbid a baby come from a woman. Yeah, but he was so successful in erasing her from history.

She was basically raised for, you know, millennia. Going a little further than this, Egyptologist Peter Dorman believes that Hattie's unconventional reign may have been too successful. A dangerous precedent best erased, he suggests, quote, to prevent the possibility of another powerful female ever inserting herself into the long line of Egyptian male kings. That's that's another theory like why she might have been erased. That was my theory. Can I say if I came in after someone who had

led like 20 years of prosperity and peace, and my shtick was being a soldier, I feel like I'd really want them to forget that they used to not have to go to battle and die. I would like so I would like so guess that I'd be like, no, we've always been doing this. And they're like, it used to be really good. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that temple. What temple? Yeah. Show me the statue that proves what you're talking about. The gaslighting Pharaoh, but cause she, she's like literally building this place with gardens and pools and stuff. It's like, no, no, that, that never happened.

Yeah. I didn't. What pool? I don't remember that. Sand? building this place with gardens and pools and stuff. He's like, no, no, that never happened. Yeah, I didn't. What pools? You mean the sand? The pools are in Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Tiddersley continues, Hattie sank into obscurity until 1822

when the decoding of hieroglyphic script allowed archaeologists to read the D dire al-Bari inscriptions. Initially the discrepancy between the female name and the male image caused confusion, but today the Thaddeus succession is well understood. It's sort of undisputed now. Yep. The story as we've told it is what happened. And Hattie is now recognized as by far the most successful woman to rule Egypt as Pharaoh, though it is like,

unlikely we'll ever know the full story. It's just not possible. It's lost to time basically. But information does continue to be uncovered. As Wilson wrote, in 2007 Egyptian archaeologist Zahi Hawass identified a previously excavated royal mummy, which from about a hundred, it was excavated like a hundred years earlier. He's, he's like, this is Hattie. We've had Hattie.

I found it. Yeah. And he fully believes that and some do, but, um, uh, other academics like Catherine Roerig from, I think, uh, American Egyptologists, um, is like, not quite sure, need more evidence. And I think it's still like, this was, you know, 15, 20 years ago and they still don't know either way for sure. Um, but history.com writes it is now housed in the Egyptian museum in Cairo and a life-size statue of a seated Hattie that escaped her stepson's destruction.

So he trashed so much, but this one survived and it's now on display as it should be at the Met in New York City. Oh my god, we have to go visit her. Can I say something? I've seen her then. I've been to that exhibit like a hundred times throughout my life. That was like a big childhood exhibit. And I definitely know, like I can picture her in my mind. I've seen her then. I've been to that exhibit like a hundred times throughout my life. That was like a big childhood exhibit and I definitely know like I can picture her in my mind. I've seen that lady. Oh, brilliant.

That's so good. If you can get us a photo, that would be amazing. We got to go. I'll go up there. I love learning. This has been great. Why don't I keep the party? Why don't I go to my secondary source, the Met? Go say hi to Hattie for us. I keep the party. Why not go to my secondary source of the Met. Go say hi to Hattie for us. Yeah, we gotta go. I'm going to tap her on the shoulders.

See if I can get a story out of her. Hattie. Callum spill. What really happened? Um, so before she died though, Hattie erected a second pair of obelisks at Karnak. And I figure let's finish today's report with some words from Hattie herself. Because on the inscription it reads, or obviously the translation reads, Now my heart turns this way and that, as I think what the people will say,

Those who shall see my monuments in years to come and who shall speak of what I have done. That's really lovely but also so brutal that her stepson tore down all this. Yeah like she did that yeah quite late in her reign she probably knows she's starting to think about legacy and stuff. Yeah people will about me for thousands of years, but then there was that big gap in the middle, but she's back now. Yeah, she's back. And bigger than ever. Probably. Maybe it even helps, you know, cause all like, Toon Carmen apparently was really insignificant.

He's only famous because of the discovery and how intact the tomb was and stuff. So this all being discovered in the 1900s, you know, probably helped put Hattie on the map. Maybe. I don't know what I'm talking about. Trying to put a positive spin on it map. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Trying to put a positive spin on it. I'd way rather be famous now. You're being discussed on this podcast now. That's exactly what she wanted.

And we're crushing it. She couldn't have even dreamed of TikTok clips. Yeah. You said we're the modern day relief. Here we are. Yeah. We're doing it. And what a relief.

That is the end of the report um thank you so much for hanging out and chatting through it with us it's really great to have a perspective of some people who live near the Met yeah that's right you brought that knowledge with you and also the water parks we've got to go yeah we don't live near... But we know about it more than you. Well neither we, but it has jumped to the top of my to-do list. Yeah. I'm scrapping weekend plans, I'm heading over. Imagine we could do a live show at a waterpark. Oh my god, the dream.

That's a good idea. The actual dream. Thank you guys so much for having us, it was so fun. I love to learn about a powerful lady. Me too. Yeah, well, so this was voted on by our Patreons. I put up, um, she actually, she beat Nelson Mandela. Cuff that Mandela. Yeah, I put up, and, uh, the first woman to, um, to scale the, the highest peak on every continent. Well, Japanese lady. So yeah, she beat out by quite a distance, those ones.

So I knew you, because I know you do celebrity bios. That's why I put up three. So I looked through your list. I'm like, I'm going to pick ones that you haven't done. And all the ones I was thinking of, you had already done. So I'm like, I'm going to have to think outside the box a bit. Yeah, we had that considered. A sample way too from Celebrity.

Matt had to make sure he hadn't done that yet. Oh my God, and just in the nick of time, it's next week's episode actually. Oh, this is perfect timing. Now, of course we can listen to Celebrity Memoir Book Club every week. You got a new app coming out. But then also, if you're in Australia like us, the tour is coming up, a new app coming out, but then also if you're in Australia like us, the tour is coming up, coming up very, very soon. The first show kicks off on September the 20th, that's in Sydney, then you're in Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, and finally Perth on the 29th. So you're here for, it's a, are you here for any time on either side? Because it's a whirlwind.

It's the foot, we're going to that footy thing that y'all have. I was gonna say, yeah, Katie Perry is going to be there too. Oh, what a flop. What a, like just like Hattie, a feminist icon. Somebody whose monuments has been taken down for sure. Like, you know, when she's rocking up, when Americans are rocking up to do the pregame entertainment at the AFL Grand Final, which is she'll perform in front of a hundred thousand people.

It's a, it's a great gig, but at the, it's never acts at the top of their game. I think last year or the year before was Kiss. Okay. Holy God, to be following up Kiss. Yeah. The most famous one is Meatloaf, who came out about 10 years ago and was so bad. Yes. So bad.

So out of tune. His voice was, yeah, not there. And fortunately, Meatloaf. He became like a, basically a joke in Australia. Yeah. Still like, he would still be referenced as a joke. And he was such a serious artist before. Oh God. will be referenced as a joke. And he was such a serious artist before. Meat, loaf, loaf.

Oh God, not meat though. I saw an interview with him where it was like, the only thing that really pisses me off is when they put a space, people spell my name with a space between meat and loaf. It's one word. Or vice versa, I don't know which one. Now he has one of those pharaoh-like taped on beards,

I believe. Oh yeah, yeah. So masculine, the loaf. Yeah, that's so, I was about to say, oh, you're coming to Australia at peak footy finals time. You're not competing with the grand final, are you? Oh, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, but Ashley used to play the,

play that sport, but she could compete in it. Yeah, tap in. You just play all the rules? Yeah, was extra. You play all the rules? Yeah, tap in. You play all the rules? Uh-huh. Do you know that there's a pro women's league now, has been for about eight years,

and it's grown year on year. You should. Yeah, they used to have, when they would come over to America, they would bring one over for a seminar. Awesome. Oh, that's sick. That's so fun that you played it.

How'd you get into it? I love it. I was like drunk and this girl said, come with me to this thing tomorrow. And I said, okay. That's it. That's amazing. Those two things really go hand in hand.

That's how most players hear starters as well. Yeah. The 27th. Yeah, that is, it's a public holiday. Well, that's the day before the game is a public holiday. Well, that's how the day before the game is a public holiday in Melbourne. Oh my gosh. So it's a day off work.

So you could call it AFL Grand Final Day, public holiday, or Celebrity Memoir Book Club holiday. Yeah, could be either thing. I think of it as both. No one's sure. They literally, they do a parade through the streets with the two teams on the back of it as both. No one's sure. They literally, they do a parade through the streets with the two teams on the back of like trucks or youth level.

Oh, but that's our culture too. We'll fit right in. If you wanna get involved in Australian culture, you're coming at the right time. We're so, we can't wait. We wanna dive in. We're hoping to get stuck and never come back, but. Yeah.

You gotta do, are you doing a different book for each show? We do. So we do stand up at the beginning and then we do like a short essay of like a local celebrity that we do like an episode. And then we have like improv games like where are they now? Like we do. Oh, awesome. We interact with the fans, that kind of thing. It's a little fun. Yeah, it's not an exact episode.

It's like a little live show that whips about. Does it go out on the Patreon or just lives in the moment? Lives in the moment, just in case. Beautiful. That's really fun. That's great. You should do some AFL footballers.

That's a really good idea. That would be so funny. I bet they're. Beautiful writers. Or Shane Warren, the, an Australian cricketer. Yeah. He, we did an episode on him. He's I read his book for that. That he'd be a fun one for Melbourne. Yeah.

He did a lot of pretty funny and outrageous stuff in his life. He lives the life. He got, he got banned from international cricket and he blamed his mum. It was, he took a, it was, he was the life. He got banned from International Cricket and he blamed his mum. Oh my god. He took a, it was, he was done for taking something that would mask doping, but he's like, no mum gave me a diuretic. I just didn't check. I love mums, they're so stupid and I've always...

Mum said I looked a bit chubby on TV, so she gave me diuretics. What is he, like 32 years old or something? Fully grown man. Like our most famous cricketer. He was engaged to Liz Hurley for a bit. Oh my god. I know her. He had a non-smoking deal with it, like a quit smoking thing, and he got busted smoking.

You know, like really low stakes stuff, but really fun. I think that would be a very funny thing to talk about live. Yeah, and everyone knows him here for sure. I love that. It'd be funny. Thank you guys so much for having us. This was so fun. I really appreciate it.

Thank you so much. Well, that brings was so fun. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite section of the show. Uh, we've said goodbye to the fantastic hosts of Celebrity Memoir Book Club. Thank you, Claire and Ashley. What an absolute privilege it was to podcast. It was so fun. That was our first time meeting them, but, uh, really enjoyed their vibe and, uh, looking, uh, looking forward to catching their live show, which is sold out. So hopefully. Oh, has it sold out now? was our first time meeting them but really enjoyed their vibe and looking

looking forward to catching their live show which is sold out so hopefully oh has it sold out now? hopefully they can get us in some hours. Wow we did our job well that was the Melbourne one I'm sure that this probably is the Melbourne one they're going to Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth I'm sure there's tickets yes somewhere around there definitely and obviously you can listen to their pod for free. Yeah. Which we have been doing.

It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun learning. Yeah. They just go, it's all, it's Bim Bam Bim Bam. Very well. We even complimented them before we went on a hit record. Like, wow, listen to your thing. It's, it's impressive that how in sync with each other they are.

It's great. Something that I do regret, Dave, during the episode, I had the thought I never said it out loud. We remember our hashtag hot for tart. Yes, from first 10 episodes of the show. So I feel like there's a real opportunity for hashtag hottie for thottie. Thoughtmuss. What a name. A beautiful name.

It is great. And I'm so glad that Eli gave me clearance to mispronounce because you can't prove me wrong. People are going to want to tweet me. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Prove it. Exactly. As far as we know, all we know ancient Egyptian mummies sounded like was like, oh. Andhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh uh, if you want to prove a song with your time machine, we'd love to go back with you. Oh, that'd be fantastic.

Um, how have you proven wrong with the time machine? Look, I'd also love to go with you in a just a normal flying machine like an airplane from a flight to Egypt. Yeah. I guess it wasn't I'll concede defeat if you give me, you know, return flights to Egypt. Happy to concede under those conditions only. I guess it wasn't thought mass or thought most. Yes. So what?

Yeah. By the time you come back, you're like, sorry, what are you talking about again? Yeah. What was, what did I say? Cara was amazing. But anyway, this is a, the section of show everyone loves. A lot of people skip to it. If you have just skipped to this point, go back and listen to it.

That was a really good episode. I reckon it was worth it. For once, it was actually worth listening to the main episode. I don't think we go that far back in history that often. I think the majority of our history that we focus on is probably in the last hundred years. Totally, definitely. And a lot of that is source-based, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. The easiest thing to, you know, the most sources. Totally. Definitely. And a lot of that is source-based, isn't it? Yeah, that's right.

The easiest thing to know the most sources. Yes. And it's funny that like, even if we'd told that story a hundred years ago, which in the length of time since it happened is such a mini school difference for them. A hundred years is nothing because it's what two and a half thousand years ago, 3000 years ago, but the story has changed so much. Yeah. Well, you know, with our modern interpretation.

So who knows what it'll be like in another hundred years. It'll change a whole heap yet again, but, uh, in this part of the show, uh, we thank some of our great supporters who support us at patron.com slash do go on pod and, uh, yeah, they basically, um, the ones who keep the lights on, keep the marks on, uh, without their support, we wouldn't have a show. So we really do appreciate it. That's why we take 20 to 40 minutes at the end of each episode, to be honest, usually closer to 40.

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And what's Dave's surname? I don't know. The first thing we like to do is for people who've signed up on one of the higher levels, the Sydney Scharnberg deluxe memorial package level or whatever it is called, and people on that level or above get to give us a factor quote or a question Or a braggart suggestion or really whatever they like and I read a few of them out each week this week I'm reading out for Dave you ready for this for hit me And each person who sends one in also gets to give us give themselves a title as well

So the first one is a first time fat quota question. Richard Taylor Doyle RTD RTD Fantastic an RTD Has given himself the title of expert in raising obscure references from episodes years ago Love it Richard. This means a lot. I'm sure we like to remember. Yeah, that's Cuz we almost definitely will have forgotten. Let's find out. Uh, Richard writes, hi guys. A few years ago, I cannot remember the episode or the year.

You sound like you fit right over here. That's the same as us. Uh, you talked about the title of autobiographies. So I have a question for you all. What would you call your autobiography? I've answered the question also, uh also for Matt, the man of a thousand memories, a history of Matt Stewart, part one to 10, or part one of 10 for Dave, Pie in the Sky, the unfulfilled dreams of Dave Warnocky. Thank you so much, Artut.

That is brutal. He's worked off from Pi. I think he's gone Pi in the sky and that's why it's unfulfilled. Okay, okay. These dreams are Pi in the sky. I don't think he's having a direct jab. I think that's really, really funny. And finally, for Jess, bop thumping.

I got knocked down, but I got up again. I was hit by a car, don't you know? the rise and fall and rise again of Jess Perkins? That's very good. That's also the first chapter. I reckon that's fantastic. Well, I don't know if I can beat that. Dave, the man of a thousand memories, a history of Matt's short part one of 10. How amazing that this is on the back of the celebrity memoir.

Oh yeah. So perfect because they are all about, you know, celebrities that have written their own autobiographies. For instance, John Mulaney's ex-wife. Do you know her name? No. Flea's one was acid for the children is what his book is called. The one that I listened to.

Well, that's good. Can you work off that for yours? Maybe for the children for the children for the adults. Oh, I really don't think I can beat what Richard's done there. Cause I'm something like, um, for me, it'd be like, uh, Dave Warnocky, like, um, easy as pie and then it's like a story in 3.14159, whatever pages. Oh yeah. And then I'm exactly like some sort of pie digit.

Yes, I like it. You, and you should do it in 3.1. You just do a really short book. 3.14 pages. Easy. Um, yeah, that's good. I, cause I am writing a book. I mean, I haven't, I haven't touched it or looked at it for a while, but I still

think about it, um, based on a, on a dare that you and Jess gave me on an episode of phrasing the bar. Yeah. We said you're a coward if you don't write this book. And, uh, and I was actually thinking about it, uh, this week, um, uh, the name of it's going to be something like, um of the World, part one, from A to Ant. That's good. That's great. And then, yeah, I'm just going to, you know, freeball a history, you know, that's nonsense, basically.

But I'm going to be there, you know, I'm witnessing it. Right. But it's just set in an alternative reality where these things have never happened. I don't know. I think it'll be things that have really happened and it'll just mean me sort of floating through them. Right. Gotcha. Forrest Gump style. As well as I remember, it'll be like the stipulation.

This is, yeah, this is 100% true as best as my recollection allows. Sort of thing. So yeah, maybe that'd be it. But I don't know. I think this might be better. The man of a thousand memories. That's really good. But I love bops.

Yeah. Bob thumping. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them for what we should call out autobiographies. Yeah, that'd be fantastic. What a great debut from RTD, Richard Taylor Doyle. Next one comes from Steven Carter and Stevens, also known as irresponsible purchaser of brunch. I'll get this.

Geez, someone you'd love to head to the cafe with. Yeah, you'd love that. Steven's got a question slash apology writing, hey, exclamation mark. So I think I hope I hit that right. Hope you're all well. Thank you. Also exclaimed. Firstly, I was wondering what venue slash city you would regard as the best crowd you have performed in front of either individually or on pod, which leads me to want to apologize

on behalf of the audience at the latest Sydney show. It was hilarious and my friends and I were having a good old lol the entire time. Matt going off the rails in person is somehow funnier than it is via the iPod by my iPod Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the big bridge and the pointy house keep on keeping on Stephen. They weren't so bad I was laying into him a bit. Yeah, it was you're so good fun though, wasn't it? Yeah I mean yet they weren't the best but that was fine but we have played to some crowds that are like It was fine.

But we have played to some crowds that are like super hot and then you step back and you go. Yes. Maybe you're slightly more like a more raucous crowd. I think when you look back, you go, it's such a lovely venue, but the Ritz, this is the episode that came out two weeks ago on DBTuber. If you've heard that one. And yeah, I think it was a fun show and it's such a lovely venue. So beautiful, but it is. It's cavernous. It's cavernous. It's also a lovely venue, so beautiful. But it is. It's cavernous. It's cavernous.

It's also during the day we did an afternoon. People are having popcorn rather than beers for most of the part. So there's maybe a little bit less of a Saturday night crowd and it's more of a Saturday afternoon, like, oh, this is fun. Yeah. Yeah. And the high ceilings is a classic, like comedy is always best with low ceilings and all that sort of stuff.

But I don't know. I thought, I thought they were a nice crowd. No, I had a great time. I love it. It's just fun to. Yeah, it's fun to needle crowds. I do that probably every third launch every day. And also to step into the stereotype of a Sydney person from a Melbourne

perspective with a bit of tongue in cheek. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was just talking. I was making up this stereotype. They're all real estate agents It's the most expensive place to live in the country that kind of thing. Yeah And they are all hot. Yeah, that's cool. I mean that was true. That's right Oh, you didn't remember you didn't say it but there was that Getting up from the bus something on straight or runway

Just did well to keep us on track that day. I think, um, but hottest crowd, best crowd. What do you think? Um, Oh, it's a good question. I, I don't know. Maybe like, I know in, in the one of them live Melbourne ones this year, I think maybe the scream one one or something. That was a very warm crowd.

Yeah, yeah. That is a great venue, the basement company, because like you're saying, that is the low ceilings crowd right there. People were up for that. That was a great time. I remember once we did one in Manchester as well where I was doing an episode on lawn chair Larry. Oh yeah.

I did Plugger that day. Plugger. I just felt like everything I said from the report they were laughing at. Right. It was like the biggest hit rate of all my life. That's just a bit of information there. Yeah. That was at the bread shed.

I remember that. This is about six years ago. That was a really fun one. I remember that. We'll never forget the Dublin crowd for our first and so far only time, but we're coming back next month or the month after, early November, we'll be back in Dublin. Um, and just doing the report on you too, and Bono and again, them comically getting into booing and the energy in that room was just, that was, that was wild.

That was fun. Yeah. I think I would say we've never, it's very rare we have a live show that the crowd isn't very warm or you know, quite nice. Um, yeah. All those UK ones, there were a couple of the ones that felt lower energy in the UK with the two Monday shows back in. Yeah.

That's not surprising. Is it? Yeah. Last time Jess was over with us, but yeah, that was probably more the day of the week. Um, but they, yeah, that was still pretty fun. Um, I think the, one of the hottest standup crowds that I remember was, um, in Noosa for the, for the road show.

Uh, and it just, you know, it was just one of those ones where it just felt like everything was hitting and like to like a thousand percent. I might be misremembered, but I do remember. You already had a 10 minute set goes for 20 because you have to pause and. Yeah. Okay. I guess I need to get to the bit. But I mean, in terms of my standup, it's hard not to think of a crowd that hasn't absolutely

been electric. Exactly. You've never missed. Never missed. Which is hard because I think you learn a lot from bombing. That's what everyone says, but I just never, you've never learned to never learn. Never learned a single lesson. Good question, though.

That is a great question. Yeah. But yeah, Sydney, Sydney is fine. And I mean, I also I laid in Sydney a bit for the life who knew it early in the year as well. But they were also fine. Yeah, I think it's that's that's feels fun. Just needling a crowd a little bit. Yeah. Especially when you know that they're a friendly crowd.

Yeah, exactly. And they get it. And Sydney can take it. Such a great place. Yeah. It's like you're jabbing your big brother. Yeah. We know you're better.

Alright. It's Tinseltown up there. Um, uh, thank you so much for that question, Steve. The next one comes from Claire. Uh, we should get a, I really think we should get, be doing a show in Sydney every year. Yeah. I'm hoping that we'll be back the next year for sure. Brisbane too. Actually we are talking.

I mean, this, we're, we're at the end of the episode. We could probably, uh, let a few behind the curtains things out here. Yep. But we're, we're talking about maybe doing a proper tour next year. Aren't we Dave? Yeah. Hitting up all the, all the places we love and have a good time. few behind the curtain things out here. Yep. But we're talking about maybe doing a proper tour next year, aren't we Dave? Yeah, hitting up all the all the places we love and haven't been to in a while.

Yeah. Australasia, maybe first time in New Zealand. Definitely high on the list. And America, obviously, is the other big one. But Dave's even been looking at what I mean. Oh, please fill out the the form that Dave put together. Yeah, the do go on international tour mailing list. I shouldn't say international.

It's also if you're in Australia and closer to home, please also fill it out. Basically, you tell us where you are in the world and we will email you when we are coming there. And it also it's just great because we get these little stats behind the scene that says so many downloads in blah, blah, but sometimes it's too specific. Like in rather than say in Melbourne, it will say Brunswick, like the suburb we're in. And then we'll also say Coburg, the one over. Frankston. And it's hard to find exactly know the numbers of where people would come to see a live show. So you let us know. And a listener doesn't necessarily mean somebody who will come to a live show as well.

So yeah, fill it out if you would be up for coming to a live show. And this is how we're going to decide where we're going to tour next. Like for example, right now I'm looking at it. Then not that many people have filled it out already, but there's already 16 people have told us that they would come to a show in Tokyo. Oh, we get that number closer to a hundred. Maybe it would be worth our while doing a show in Japan. Oh man.

For example, and then like, yeah, obviously in America too, that would really help cause we are hoping to get there next year. It also helps with showing a promoter on paper. Hey look. Yeah, this matter people said that come to see us in Dallas Oh my gosh, we have to go to Dallas. Yeah, they'll say oh, maybe I'll reply to this Because otherwise they often go podcasts from Australia too hard, but no we want to get there But yeah, so please that'll probably that's linked in our link tree and a link tree, which you can find via the do go on pod Instagram's the easiest way to find that.

Uh, and it takes a minute. Your name, you fill out your cities. And that's the other thing. Please follow us on Instagram, probably especially, but also the other social media as well. Firstly, we keep you updated. We normally post, uh, photos and stuff about the topic during the week, but also, yeah. Videos from the show now.

And yeah, apparently promoters do also look at numbers of followers and they base whether or not they take you seriously or not based on that number as well. Ours aren't super big, so. Yeah, that's right. A lot more people people listen than follow so please tip the ratio. I think it also probably makes it easier to get other podcasters who don't know us. Yeah that's right. To come be guests on if they're like oh they've got a following you. Anyway next one comes from Claire aka the whisperer of the caves.

I like that a lot. Yes, I used a title generator. It's no horse name, but alas, I'm not a horse. It was a cave name generator. Very specific. And Claire has a question writing, hi all. Hope everyone is well. Since this is my first fat quota question in a while.

It's still impressive. I'm sorry that I trailed off. Yeah. Oh, in a while. Okay. Since this is the first fact quota question in a while, congratulations to Dave and his family. Oh, thank you. Uh, hope for people who don't know, Dave had some big news, uh, his family band.

Top of the chart. We've gone gold in Sweden. Uh, yes, no, newest family member at the start of the year. I've got a lovely little baby now and things are going great. So I appreciate that. Um, hopefully you're getting some sleep now and to Jess, uh, who I'm sure is listening, uh, cause she's fine. I hope you and your partner have a wonderful life together.

That sounds sort of ominous. Yeah, that does sound a bit ominous. That sounds like you suggesting she won't be back. Yeah. Do you think you have a nice life? You're putting Jess into witness protection or something. Um, Oh, trying to see what wishes to me. I think it's nothing.

It seems to be the end of the paragraph there. Oh, no. But anyway, my question inspired by my six year old and a recent visit to the zoo. If you could have any animal as a wild pet, what would it be? Oh, wow. Assuming it would not kill you and you could keep it happy and healthy. Oh, great. Assuming it would not kill you and you could keep it happy and healthy. Oh, great. Love that. I added these as my kid was all for people with guard lines. That's great fun.

My kid picked... We always like people to answer their questions. Yeah, yeah. My kid picked the River Otter, native to our area in Sacramento. Oh my gosh, Sacramento, home of the old basketball team, the Kings. Wow. What ever happened to them? I don't know, but we wish them well. We wish them well. Have a nice life.

Have a nice life, Kings. And. And Claire picked, sorry, I've lost my spot. And Claire picked and pair clicked. The meerkat. Oh, two great, very cute animals. Also, you know, too big. I learned a fact about meerkats recently.

I think this is right. Apparently they dig a fake burrow or whatever, so that like birds of prey that are trying to get them go to the to the false one. I hope that's right. Great. Anyway. And then do they like close, like kick the door in? Yeah.

Yeah. Sort of shut underground. Oh no. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Finally says, cheers.

Hopefully we'll see you soon here in the US. So good. Cause I, ah, great question. I like all the stipulations because I will stipulate that, ah, I wouldn't want to have a wild animal as a pet just because having learnt from Erica Fleury from Napsa on Primates, the North American primate sanctuary alliance, it's not a good idea. And I guess I probably already knew that deep down, but if it, you know, in a dream scenario, like we're living in a cartoon world or something.

Yeah, that's right. And also, because I imagine. Like, I think otters don't smell very nice. If you go to see them at a zoo or something, you see their enclosure, they're in the water and they hold hands. They're so cute. Yeah, I would put my favourite animal ever is a panda. Panda, that's right. I'd love to have a panda.

But if it doesn't hurt me and it's happy and healthy. And you're talking about a giant one because you loathe red pandas. Oh my God, there's red pandas. Fake pandas is I call them as a child. They are very, they are very cute, but they're not real pandas. Yeah, it's funny that they haven't had a rename, a name change. Yeah. But yeah, love a giant panda. Also love, and you do see them looking like they're having a nice time as pets.

Cappy Burrows. Oh yeah, they look cool. I love it. I think I'm going to have to go wombat because that's my favourite animal. I love them. I love a thick. Yes. I love it.

I love a chunky animal. A beefy boy. Beefy boy, you know, a thotty. I love a thotty animal. I'm hottie for thotty animals. I think wombat is a good choice because you're other ones like a yak or a bison, which I know you love, but that's hard to have in the backyard lesson What a beautiful animal or any sort of cow a cow maybe a cow in the backyard

You can have that probably I need to get a backyard Get a yard And I just end up With a dairy farm, yeah My dream turned out my dream was just to be a dairy farmer or obviously a big fan of non-human primates, so Like an orang-utan or something would be so good, but obviously Wouldn't do that to him

Cow I think you know how they I don't know if they don't know if they can do it on by themselves anymore. That might be the most ethical of all of them. Thank you so much, Claire. It's a fun question, though. It is a fun question. But yeah, Panda. And you can, I mean, they also, they struggle to live.

Cause your house and home is made of bamboo. Yeah, that's what you mean. Which was, you know, environmentally very friendly to build, build out of. Oh, this is a problem. I'm going to be destroying that. No, they're like worse than a termite on wood. Oh no, bamboo. Oh no, this this home has pandas.

Yeah, we have the panda exterminators in. Great question, Claire. Yeah, I'm going to open up my own mini zoo, which focuses on wombats, bison, cows and orangutans. And I will learn how to say orangutans, orangutans before I get involved in that. Our final one this week comes from Lauren Joyner, aka the titular Lauren Joyner. That's good. Also got a question, four questions this week. What is your favorite underrated comedy? And second question, what is your favorite unintentional comedy? I absolutely love watching so bad they're good movies and even better when they are not at all supposed to be funny at all, but ah,

clearly I love a dogshit riff. So I trust your comedy recommendations. better when they are not at all supposed to be funny at all, but are clearly. I love a dog shit riff. So I trust your comedy recommendations to answer my own questions. Thank you so much for doing so. Yes. Uh, Lauren, uh, favorite underrated comedy and favorite in general is Hamlet two starring Steve Coogan. What's that? Hamlet two with Steve Coogan.

I mean, that's like an AI has come up with something I want to watch. Yeah. Uh, it's ridiculous in all the right and wrong ways. And I can't get enough of it. I recommend it to everyone who will listen and also those who don't. I also love all things, David Wayne and Christopher Guest and favorite unintentional comedy goes to Roadhouse the original starring Patrick Swayze.

It's so ridiculous and it takes itself so seriously. What a fun romp. I need all action films to have a minimum of three unnecessary flips during fight scenes and boy does Roadhouse deliver. I think I've seen a clip from that. I haven't seen it. That sounds way up your alley. I honestly love that.

Favorite underrated comedy. I think maybe Yes Man is one that I think is, I haven't seen a long time, but. Oh yeah. I read the book, Danny Weiss book, but I haven't seen the. Jim Carrey is so good in it. Um, so many great moments. Reese Darby, very funny in it as well. It's just, it's like quite a, it's quite a cute sort of film.

Yeah. Nice. Um, Zoe Deschanel is in it as well. It's just, it's like quite a, it's quite a cute sort of film. Yep. Nice. Um, so he dashed in as well as great. Everyone. Yeah. It's real, real funny on the, yeah. Everyone in it's really great. Um, the guru in it, I forget what his name, but he's got a real, he's, what's

his name and he's, he's just got a very funny name for a guru. It's like, um, Trent or something. I'm laughing already. That's not trying. What is it? Um, Terrence, Terrence, he says, if he's so funny, he's played by Terrence Stamp. He said something like, the mountain won't come to the, no, the molehill won't come to the mountain or something like that.

But it's good stuff. But it is good stuff. It is definitely good stuff. Unintentional, I'm not sure, because it is probably pretty intentional, but I love like Con Air is so funny. Oh, yeah. That's like intentionally funny. We love it though, yep.

But it's not like a comedy comedy. I can't without notice. I'm not- none is coming to mind of a real unintentional- I'm sort of the opposite to you. The underrated comedy, everything I'm thinking about, like, oh yeah, people like that, people like that. I love the, like, cartoon parody show where they redubbed the voices from the 2000s, do you know C lab 2021?

Oh, I've heard of it. I haven't seen him. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people probably haven't seen that, but I absolutely loved that, um, and I, yeah, but I don't know if that's underrated, the people that do like it really like it's more of a cult thing. So I don't know if it's underrated. I think that counts.

But less like maybe less well known than a lot of comedies. And unintentional man, I love her so bad, it's good movie. The most recent one I watched that came to mind is this is also a sequel. Titanic 2. Oh, that sounds fantastic. And it is written and directed by Shane Van Dyke. Oh, my God. Did you know that at the time? Yeah, that's one of the reasons I picked it.

I was like, what's he up to? Titanic. Do I have to watch this? And yeah, it's great. Basically, this is the plot. The film is set on a fictional replica Titanic that sets off exactly 100 years after the original ship's maiden voyage. But due to global warming and the forces of nature, it causes history to repeat itself on the same night, only on a more disastrous, deadly

scale. So there's another iceberg. There's another big wave. Titanic 2 sinks. And did I also say that Shane Van Dyke is also the main actor in it? Oh yeah, that's what I want to hear. I appreciate that very much. It's a merciful 90 minute run and I really, really so bad.

It's good. You got it. Yeah. It's from 2010. I watched it on to be one of those sort of apps where it's free, but it's got ads. Yeah. So to be, to be fun to say, uh, all right. Thank you so much, uh, to, quotes, and questions, all questions.

Lauren Claire, Stephen and RTD first timer. Fantastic effort on debut from Richard Taylor Doyle. Next thing we like to do, Dave, is normally come with a little game and luckily for us, Eli, who not only suggested the topic, also suggested a little game for us to play at the end here, writing, I also found a page on Royal names, not super important, but just thought it would be fun for you to know since you mentioned one of Hatshepsut's Royal titles and they really go for it. So I'm going to use this list, which is just a photo they've taken from a book. Like an academic book.

Right. Yeah. So and it's titled, it's appendix P, the titulari and other designations of the king. Amazing. The titulari of an Egyptian king comprises five titles and names. So we're going to the first five, I guess, we'll go with these and then the last four, I'm going to have to make some riffs. Okay.

So you want me to read that, read these names out and then you'll sign them a titular. Yes, please. Okay. I would like to thank first of all, from Lakewood in Illinois, it's Brandon Wasney. Brandon Wasney, aka The Horus. That name is written vertically within the palace facade upon which the Horus Falcon is perched, sometimes wearing the double crown. The Horus Falcon on the facade is the writing for the title Horus and the name can also

be written horizontally following the Horus Falcon without the crown and facade. Oh right, you get a symbol and then the name. Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of their hieroglyphics are symbols to us, but I'm like the idea that you could assign your name with one little. That's me Horace. And that's you, Brandon Wasney. Thank you so much. I would like to thank now from Lavington in New South Wales, our new fairer and

you King we bowed down to Jason Smead. AKA the two ladies. And that is the name that follows the title, which refers to the two goddesses of the crowns, Elkab and Butoh. Okay. Two, just two ladies. It sounds like Egyptian bingo. I'm not, I'm, Eli's going to be listening this going, uh, this is not what I'm, this is. I think Eli knew.

Eli knew. Fully missing the context here. I think Eli knew where this would go. I would like to thank from a location unknown to us, probably deep within the fortress of the moles, possibly beneath the great pyramid of Giza. Ooh. I would like to thank Tim Wood. Okay.

Now I don't know. I'm just reading the words, okay. The prenomen follows the title and there's some horoglyphics there. King of Upper and Lower Egypt. The prenomen is usually formed with the name of the sun god Ray or Ra and is written within a cartouche. Oh, a cartouche. A cartouche.

Do you know what that means? Yeah, that's it's like a. You'd know it because you watch the Mummy. Yeah, I think honestly, it's in it like. They come up in the Mummy? Cartouche. Is it a papery thing? Could be. But I think that's. Isn't it like a come up in the mummy cut isn't a papery thing could be

But I think that's um, I Think the word itself is so good. It doesn't ever need to mean Oh, I know it's one of those oval test one I know my dad has one of these as a necklace that he got in Egypt It is a in Egyptian hieroglyphics a cartouche is an oval with a line at one end and a tangent to it Indicating that the text enclosed is a Royal name. Oh, well, there you go. That makes sense. That makes some, no.

Thanks, dad. I would like to thank from Dyer, Indiana. I'm not sure how to say this. It's either JJJ or triple J or double or double JJ or double JJ, single double J, uh, single double J AKA son of Ray, son of Ray. Hey, hey, hey, uh, name follows the, it's like a horaglyphics of like a dark or a goose with like a circle. This is a fun game describing.

That is a scene from the mummy as well. Remember she, she's reading from the tablet, the book of the. Amun-Ra. Yeah. Amun-Ra. And then she can't, no, Jonathan's reading and he can't quite, he goes, it's sort of a lady doing this and then she's dancing and then Evie has to work it out and she's about to get killed.

All right. So we are doing that. It is also written within a cartouche. It is the name born by the king before his ascension and confirms to the current dynastic tradition 12th dynasty. 12th dynasty, Ammennamhet, 18th century, Ammon Hopep, Thutmosis, 19th and 20th Hop Tap, Thutmose, 19th and 20th dynasties, Sety and Ramesses. Ramesses, sorry everybody. Ramesses, that one.

I know that one. So yeah, son of Ra, son of Ra. I think Triple J got a good one there. Triple J, you are the son of Ray Ray Ray. I would like to thank now from location unknown to us, probably also deep within the fortress of the moles, It's Kevin West Well, there's one last paragraph here that maybe Kevin gets saying today following the ancient Greek tradition We refer to the Kings by their son of ray names

whereas the Egyptians of the Old Kingdom used the Horus name and those of the Middle and New Kingdoms preferred the NSW New South Wales. Bitty name when mentioning the King by only one name. So I think what was this person's name? Kevin West. Kevin is Bitty. King Bitty. King Bitty. Thanks KW aka Bitty.

So good. I think we're all learning here. We've got four more. Is that right? Yeah, four more. Bringing things closer to home to our capital territory from Canberra. I would like to thank Beck. Beck. All right. I've just found Egyptian fantasy name generators, an Egyptian name generator.

All right. Let's see what comes up here. What does that say? Egyptian fantasy name generators. Uh, an Egyptian name generator. All right. Let's see what comes up here. Um, what does that done? This is one miss Jess. What does this mean? All right. Um, back here we go.

Test best Peru. Honestly, if you'd read that out before, I would've been like, oh yeah. Yeah, maybe it is a real one. I don't know where they're generating it from. Yeah. Test best Peru. Honestly, if you'd read that out before I would've been like, oh yeah. Yeah, maybe it is a real one. I don't know where they're generating it from. Yeah. Test Bast Peru. Oh my gosh. And Dave, do you want to like give some sort of a background to what that means? Ah, Test Bast Peru. I just googled it and the first thing that came up was Transformers Rise of the Beasts. Because that must have been set in Peru at one point, which it definitely was because I talked about it on Primates.

Perfect. Yes. And Becky is Tespas Peru, AKA a pyramid that transforms. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Is that, was that what happened in the movie? That's what happened.

I would like to thank from alt altona in Victoria. It's Miranda Taylor. Miranda Taylor, AKA T-E Mast Nibs. T-E Mast Nibs. T-E Mast Nibs. OK, let's see what comes up if I Google this. Calligraphy Nibs. OK, yes.

So what's the this god? This god was this is actually the first serial mascot that that Egypt had, ancient Egypt. Yeah. And because everyone was writing things down, but a calligraphy. Right. They obviously went well, it's kind of like they called them nibby. Nibby. Nibby. So is this serial like the little monkey from Cocoa Pop? Yeah, that's right. Snap, crackle and pop and nibby. Nibby. Nib this cereal like the little monkey from Cocoa Pop? Yeah, that's right. Snap, crackle and pop and Nibby. Nibby. Nibby was actually the original.

Yeah. No people know that. No, no people know that. King Nibby. King Nibby, aka Miranda Taylor. I'd like to thank from Edmonton in Canada. Thank you to Alex. Alex, aka Downsea Parnefa. Downsea Par-Nepha. Downsea Par-Nepha.

And if I Google that, what does Google auto correct it to? Oh, no, this is a real thing. Petri Downsea Par-Nepha was an Egyptian medjay in the service of Prince Ramesses during the late Bronze Age. He served under Ramesses during his conquest of Southern Canaan, including the siege of Ashkelon in 1205 BC. Wow. And that's Alex. That's Alex.

Yes. Great work, Alex. And finally, I would like to thank from Londonderry in Northern Ireland, where we will be not in London Derry, unfortunately, we're only going to Belfast. We would hope to love to meet you in the middle. We're going to do our live show there in November as part of our European tour. I would like to thank from London Derry as I find the tab again, because I was looking up the map,

Phoebe and David Nugent. Oh, double. All right. I'll pick two here. What about his set M.K.E.B. and Fuckeye-na? Fuckeye-na. F, double. All right. I'll pick two here. What about his set M Keb and fuck I know fuck I know fuck I know. Wow. His set M Teb. Fuck I know that sounds like a James Bond character. Fuck I know. Fuck I know.

My name is Serena. Fuck I know. And James Bond just sort of looks at the camera. Fleming you are are, you're starting to lose it. It says the first thing that comes up is validating tests as high school equivalency tests. So Howard high school equivalency tests. What kind of goddess and God pairing could be? The goddess of VCE and HSC. Oh yeah. Which to have London Dairy List probably doesn't mean anything, but that's two of the certificates

you can get here in Australia. Yeah. So there you go. Thank you so much to Phoebe and David and Alex and Miranda and Beck and Kevin and JJJ and Tim and Jason and Brandon. And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few people into our Triptych Club, Dave. You want to quickly give us a rundown into our triptych club, Dave. Do you want to quickly give us a rundown before you help us bring them in?

Yeah, basically this is our Hall of Fame where we induct members that have been supporting the show on the shout out level or above for three consecutive years. You've already had a shout out, but now a few years later, we're going to induct you forever, put you on the honor roll, put your name up on the wall, put your name up in lights and welcome you into our clubhouse. It's a theater of the miners, whatever you want it to be. For us, it's a clubhouse, it's a hangout zone, it's a bar, it's a music venue, it's an arcade, it's a movie theater.

And also, it means you're only six years away from getting into the Tripp Trippage club. Absolutely. It's still being built. Exactly. There's another little club out the back which has an even thicker velvet rope. Oh yeah. It's thick. It's a thought.

Am I using that right? It is absolutely. It is a thought rope. So Dave normally books a band. I was, I was, I did put in a request a while ago to see if you could get the bangles, but I don't, you said you couldn't, is that right? Yes. It's been very difficult with their people.

They've kind of said, like, not everyone wants to do it. Everyone's back together. So unfortunately I wasn't able to get the Bangles, but I have been able to get another great band, the Go-Go's. Oh my God, I love the Go-Go's. So we're very happy to have them. Stoked for the Go-Go's. Yeah, I knew you would be.

That's why I thought I'd let you down quietly because you were very stoked on the Bangles. But how about that? And what is that, original line up? Or, you know, is... All of them. Everyone who's ever been in the band have agreed. But how does that original lineup or, you know, as all of them, everyone who's ever been in the, it's kind of like when you get inducted to the rock and roll hall of fame, you all get an invite, which they did. Didn't they a couple of years ago? I think very exciting.

Um, if I'm right, if I'm remembering right anyway, oh, and also just on the behind the bar, serving up a drink, uh, I'm taking over that role and we're serving up a cocktail, uh, I'm taking over that role and we're serving up a cocktail called Hottie for Thottie and it is too hot. Unfortunately. Um, I put it on the oven. We boiled it up. All the alcohol was burnt off.

Um, and it has remained so hot. So it is just something that I'm so sorry. Um, I'm now trying to do two jobs. I'm also the door person. So if you could just have a little patience with me, I'm so sorry. Um, I'm now trying to do two jobs. I'm also the door person. So if you could just have a little patience with me, I'm really sorry, but yet probably avoid drinking the, the hottie for sorry, cause it is, it will burn your mouth. You will be, uh, I mean to go to hospital.

I'm back on the door now, Dave. Are you ready? We've got three induct days this week. Yes. I usually, uh, hype these people up with some non weak word play strong word plays mid to strong And we got three this week and yeah, if you hear name run on in everyone else in the club Which is hundreds and hundreds of people now They're there they're in there for life whether they like it or not and they like it

And they are cheering you on as well. So here we go. First up from Reservoir. You know what? I, because I, I started reading it because I've been listening to Triple R recently and they had been doing their, their membership renewal drive and they keep mucking it up. So I got in my own head about it because it's the word is reservoir, right? But the suburbs called, it's aboutelt the same but it's called reservoir. Reservoir. That's what I'd say. But it got in my head so I'd...

Anyway from reservoir in Victoria here in Melbourne it is a Aleta Trong. If it's not Aleta Trong I don't want to be right. Yeah. Yeah. Don't want to be wrong. Yeah. Don't. You don't want to be wrong. Yeah, yeah. Don't want to be a leader trong. I'd rather be a leader trong. Thank you so much. From Columbia in Moe in the US, it's Andrew Hutchinson. Hutchinson, the Hutchins son of a gun.

And finally, is it MO Missouri? We always get tripped up on this one. Doesn't matter. I'm in the zone. I can't look it up. Finally, from Summersworth in New Hampshire, I reckon in the United States, it's Angelo Del Gducci. Gducci.

Oh, I thought about wearing my Gucci shoes, but now I'm going to decide I'm going to wear my Gucci shoes and look even cooler. He's done it again. Well done Dave. And thank you so much to Angelo and Andrew and Alita. Please make yourselves at home. Uh, avoid the drink at least for a while. Let it cool down.

Let it cool. But enjoy these fantastic signings of the go-gos. That's right. When it comes to the drink, your lips should be sealed. They should be sealed. And now they'll be singing their hit, Our Lips Are Sealed. Thank you so much. You've done it perfectly well.

And I'll be in the back of the room, Miss, singing it as Alex the Seal. Alex the Seal. All right, Dave, that brings the end of the episode. Anything we need to do before we bring this baby home? Hey, no, no, no. Just to tell people to go to our website if they want to find our links to live shows, Patreon, merchandise, all that sort of stuff. That's dogoonpod.com.

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