Do Go On - 472 - Prohibition in the USA (with Nick Mason)

Starting point is 00:00:00 We are about to board our plane to Europe. Toot toot! I cannot wait. Jess is taking a train. That's what we're doing. We're at the train session. Toot toot. Toot toot! Aerotrain. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:12 So it's really exciting. A bunch of the shows are already sold out, but we still have a few tickets, including some extras in Edinburgh that we've just released, as well as Belfast, Dublin, Birmingham and London. We'd love to see you at all of those shows. And then after our Do Go On Tour wraps up, Matt's sticking around for a little bit longer to do some Who Knew It and some stand-up shows. That's right. And you're joining me, Dave, as well, at the London show doing the Who Knew It.

Starting point is 00:00:36 And we've also got special guests at each show. The Lawmen are coming along to that one. Then also doing Lester and Edinburgh. I absolutely can't freaking wait. Never been to Lester before. Really excited. Got some cool guests. Haven't been fully locked in yet, but they sound like they're going to be sick. So if you want tickets to any of these shows, go to dogoonepod.com and we'll see you there. This is an ad by BetterHelp. What comes to mind when you hear the word gratitude?

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Starting point is 00:01:56 So good to be alive? Question mark. Somehow I forgot to do the upward inflection, so I had to just whack on it. A question mark at the end there. Waterly punctuate your sentences. Hey, Dave, if you think it sounds different, it's because we're in a different room right now. We're still at Schubert L. Studio's, but we're in a rehearsal space, which is not particularly well soundproof. So we're going to hear trams dinging.

Starting point is 00:02:18 The mics won't pick it up, but we'll hear them. We'll be distracted. We'll let you know. We'll go there. There was one. I don't know if you caught that. And you won't be able to tell us because you'll be listening. We'll let you know. We'll go there. There was one. I don't know if you caught that and you won't be able to tell us because you'll be listening in the future. And we have to keep our minds on track this week because we're distracted by trams.

Starting point is 00:02:31 We decided to bring in a tram expert this week. We are joined for, are we approaching the 20th? I believe this is the 18th. Possibly the 18th time. Probably 20th have included a couple of bonus episodes. Oh my goodness. Including the molasses, great molasses flood. That you can hear now on Patreon.

Starting point is 00:02:46 Yum yum yum. We are talking, of course, about our dear friend, Nick Mason. Hello. It's great to be here. I am the furthest from a tram expert you can get. I think if you wanted a real tram expert, you want one of those guys that stands on the tram tracks with a camera as the tram approaches. That's, that's a Gunzel.

Starting point is 00:03:03 That's what they call them. Oh, yeah. That's a real time. So it's trainspotters for trains and Gunzel Gunzel. Yeah, G.U.N. Z.L. A little tram spotter feels they come up with their own title. Now, so Gunzel, apparently I looked it up. So Gunzel. So in it like, you know, like an old like an old like a mafia movie or like a like a, you know, a an old, like an old like a mafia movie or like a,

Starting point is 00:03:25 like a, you know, a crime film, like in the olden days, a gun saw G U N S E L is like the mobsters henchmen and they would always put and in like the, the, in like the one, those sorts of movies that always put themselves in dangerous situations. You know, you watch one of those old detective movies and they're always hanging off like a fire escape and then they take a few shots at the hero and hero like shoots him and then they fall off the fire escape to their death or whatever. So that's a gun saw. So that's a gun saw like it like a like a window.

Starting point is 00:03:54 So yeah, maybe, maybe guns. Maybe. Okay. We're making history. The chapter like Rapunzel on the only way down. Yes. Yeah. You folks. They're trapped up like Rapunzel on the only way down. Yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah. The virus.

Starting point is 00:04:05 Yes. Exactly. Rapunzel, Rapunzel, bring down your hair or else there will be consequences. I've got a shot. Like a damsel with a gun. Maybe it's like a damsel with a gun. Yeah, it's like the idea was like that a gun cell in a movie always puts themselves in a dangerous situation to like get the shot.

Starting point is 00:04:24 And that's what these tram spotters do. They always put themselves like in front of the trams that's coming up. So then people were like, oh, they're gunzals. And then you see these guns and then what do you do? You slow down to your speed up. You speed up. You hit them. That really feels like an accident. They've given themselves the cool nickname, kind of like a Dave Warnocky calling himself Cobra kind of thing.

Starting point is 00:04:46 Yeah, that's right. I can sense someone who's given themselves a nickname because I've been there. That's right. It's not Cobra, it's Cobra. Oh yeah. He does the fangs with his fingers. It did not take off. I'm starting to call you Cobra.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Pretty sure of that. That's warming on me. But as I'm here, I demanded, I was, diva move, I said, can we do it in a different room with no sound baffling? You wanted natural light because I actually got a window out to the street in this. That's why it's a bit less soundproof this room. No sound baffling, but a lot of me being baffling. You've given me everything I wanted. You've given me a glass of water shaped like a skull.

Starting point is 00:05:23 You've given me without exaggeration, 50 feet of microphone cabling if I want to go walk about. So that's that's fun. We bought this kit to be live ready. We didn't know how we bought it years ago. We could have been at the MCG by now. We didn't know. Now, you might be wondering where Jess is this week.

Starting point is 00:05:40 And can we all just say in unison, she's fine. She's fine. She's absolutely fine. Sorry, James's fine. She's fine. She's absolutely fine. Sorry, James James, it's on delay. And so am I. I'm also not even here. I'm not even here. I'm recording remotely. We have 50 feet of cabling and then I'm on a Zoom call in the other room. I'm so sorry to call you James.

Starting point is 00:05:58 I must infuriate you. I used to get Tom, my brother's name all the time as a kid. And he's not even on a podcast with you. So that's embarrassing. No, we get it all the time. James and I of course do a podcast called the weekly planet and we very regularly like get stuff attributed to the other guy. It's always like, James said that. And I'm like, I said that. How dare you? I said that fun joke. I said that good joke. I said that fun joke where I did a stupid accent. I said I did the funny voice. How dare you?

Starting point is 00:06:28 You know, that's fine. We get used to it. Yeah. I don't think of you two as similar at all. So it's weird that I did it. We posted it last month. We posted a clip of last summer on and a lot of comments, maybe nearly all the comments were people saying that's so weird seeing the voice coming out of their face.

Starting point is 00:06:48 We recently did not to plug another podcast on this podcast, we recently did a Lexi Tolliopoulos podcast, the last video store, and it's us on video for an hour. And there are so many comments that are like, those guys look weird. Those guys look weird talking. They don't match the picture. Why? Because James, the first time I met James, I think it was even at his house and it was, I was stalking him and I don't think he did. He didn't have his photo online at the time. Yeah. And so I just filled in the blanks and I've, my picture was basically him only had a long blonde surfy like hair.

Starting point is 00:07:24 Oh, that's beautiful Yeah, he wishes but he looked so sim like he looked very similar He looks but just with like long shoulder length bleach blonde hair Wow, and he shook it. He was always shaking the same Yeah, yeah, absolutely sure. Yeah Before every podcast even just come up from the surf Put his surfboard in the corner and then shake his hair and be like, now there's a new Spider-Man movie. Let's talk about it. That's exactly how it was.

Starting point is 00:07:51 Hey, Dave, what are we doing? No, we are not here to talk about James, but we do like one that maybe he'll make the block vote next year. We are here to do the fourth most requested, most voted for topic of block 2024, which may say just in case you're not familiar with block. I want to be able to tune in for this topic. They know I'm dumb. What's that?

Starting point is 00:08:13 The movie character who's like the the window or whatever. That's you. You know, for the people watching, is it the term like I think you've been an actual guy like Mr. Window. I think about the guns to the guns. Oh yeah. Oh, the, the, um, oh, the audience surrogate. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:29 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the audience surrogate. I'm just like you. I'm stupid. You're the every man.

Starting point is 00:08:35 And, um, so every man, what block is we take it intense every week to report on a topic we do that year round 52 weeks a year. But for the most joyous time of the year, blockbustertober slash belowvember, which is what we're up to now, Matt puts out a big poll of our most requested topics, our biggest, baddest topics. And then thousands of people have voted and we've been doing a countdown for the top nine this year, because there are nine weeks in October and November. And we're up to number four, almost on the podium. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:04 Oh yes, that's right. Yeah. This is very, very exciting. This is whatever is below bronze. Yeah. Wall? It's probably the worst position to be because you've just missed out on metal. In primary school, that was the athletics carnivals. It was the four got ribbons. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:19 And I think it was blue ribbon for first, red for second, green for third and white for fourth. No, I involved. Yeah, very cheap. Yeah, it was just off cuts. Didn't even say it's just a piece of cloth. And I think those fourth place ribbons are why my generation kind of fought at home. I think that's what people say. That's right. But anyway, yes, that's right.

Starting point is 00:09:42 So this is the fourth most voted for topic. It got a huge chunk of the vote, as all the ones were going through, did it. They vary from like 29 percent of the vote all the way to 24 percent of the vote. There was like about 300 on the list. Oh, yeah, there were over 400. OK, 400 on the list was it took them out a full day to put the poll together. It's good to know there's always interesting stuff left, though, isn't it? Yeah, like like imagine if you did a blocked over one one year and it was there was just like three left.

Starting point is 00:10:08 And you're like, we got three more weeks and then there's no more stuff. We start going back and like you did a block episode about Ninja Turtles once and we're now doing Rafael. That's we're going to really hone in on Rafael. He's bad, he's rude, but what makes him tick? And if you want to know about the maths, you can vote for more than one topic. So this one, more than one in four people wanted us to do this one. Yeah, about one in four. You're just over, I think, one in four. Amazing.

Starting point is 00:10:34 So you know what's going to be big? Oh, it's going to be big. Oh, it's going to be big. And we always start with the question now, because we've had to divvy it up. Usually we have no idea, me, Matt and Jess, what the other is going to talk about, but I know because we've had to divide it up. So I thought, Matt, you could ask the question to Mesa. Yeah, one on one.

Starting point is 00:10:47 Because he actually has no idea. I could guess. Mano e Mesa. Here we go. All right. The question is, and I know you're a big Americanophile. Oh, yeah. The question is, what was the 18th amendment to the US constitution? Oh, no. I know the guns one. That's guns are cool.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Yeah. And then there's. Gunsle. Yeah, that's exactly right. The gunsle amendment. Guns are cool. Respect your parents. That's an amendment, I think.

Starting point is 00:11:16 Parents are cool. One of their mother and father. That's the one. This one is one of the ones that is something isn't cool and they banned it. Oh, it's not cool. Yeah. Dancing plagues? They banned the dancing plagues?

Starting point is 00:11:28 No more dancing plagues. No, thank you. Trucks. Oh yeah, remember when they banned trucks? Yeah. That didn't take... No, this one, this one didn't last for... Oh, is this prohibition?

Starting point is 00:11:41 It is prohibition. Whoa, well done. Wow. Beep beep beep beep beep. Beep beep beep beep. Beep. Beep. Oh, is this prohibition? It is prohibition. Whoa, well done. Wow. Bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, bip, bip. Oh, I didn't know you're also a man of a thousand noises. But I got some noises. Oh, I got some noises.

Starting point is 00:11:55 I got a number of voices that represent our shared listenerships. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I listen to do go on the weekly planet anyway. Sorry. It was it. You were talking about gangsters before and they are heavily involved in this. I was so excited when he brought up gangsters. I was so excited. I was thinking he doesn't know. He doesn't know what to think about.

Starting point is 00:12:16 So it's been suggested of course by a lot of people, including Sophie from Melbourne, Chris Lashkey from St. Louis, Missouri, Jack Taylor from Brisbane, Steve from Adelaide-ish, Sam Douglas from Adelaide in South Australia. Obviously, they're very fascinated with over there. Liz LaFever from Dallas, Texas, J Swan from Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Kevin Wright from Long Island, New York, Aaron Wolf from Daytona Beach, Alex and Megan from Austin, Texas. Stay weird. Stay weird. That's what that's their state slogan. So I like to say to them because I relate to them on that way. I stay weird. They stay weird. Well, I'm very normal. Yeah, you are. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:13:02 How good is this name Aviva Wolf Manus from Baltimore in name? Aviva Wolf-Manus from Baltimore in Maryland. Aviva Wolf-Manus, well. Emi White from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Love your work, Emi White. A regular contributor to the Who Knew It with Matt Stewart Show. Writes the, writes, sort of specializes in weird headlines. Must work in weird news. Yes.

Starting point is 00:13:24 Writes for ripples's believe it or not. I think she actually just finished a doctorate in something like... Oh wow. That's it. Overqualified for the role. Anyway, Tori McCleskey from Brooklyn in the United States and Keith Ross from Cork in Ireland. So yes, before I talk about America's Prohibition, I'm going to head back a century or so to talk about why it came about.

Starting point is 00:13:47 I should have in hindsight written about prohibition and then said, do I need to expand this out any further? But no, I started from way before. You started with the Birth of Christ. I started with the Birth of Christ, I wrote a full report and liquor hadn't even been invented yet. One in one. Water had been wine, yeah, that's true. That's true, yeah, that's where I got up to. And then people are like, there's gotta be a better way.

Starting point is 00:14:12 We can't all channel God's energy into our water or whatever. Yeah. Or can we? Maybe we can. Maybe we can. Maybe we can. Yeah, we get Jesus working one of those like Henry Ford style factories. On the assembly line.

Starting point is 00:14:27 Yeah. It's as if he was standing in an open factory. That's the sound of him turning water on. Foop, foop, foop, foop. So Jesus, we're gonna need to pick up the pace here. We've got a big order. Foop, foop, foop, foop. Do you have any mates who can also do this?

Starting point is 00:14:41 Can your disciples do this? Cause we get 12 of them going along in a line. We can speed this up. We can do a slab every, you know, 24 of you do a slab at a time. Think about it. Think about it, Jesus. Anyway, so yes, I'm going to go back about a century talking a bit about what it came about. Read a book, both with my ears and my eyes, called Prohibition, a Concise History by historian W.J. Rohrabow. And I'm going to quote from Rohrabow a little bit. I love that.

Starting point is 00:15:12 Rohrabow writes, after the American Revolution, a plentiful supply of cheap, untaxed whiskey made from surplus corn on the Western frontier caused alcohol consumption to soar. Whiskey costs less than beer, wine, coffee, tea or milk. And it was safer than water. So that's a dangerous combo. It was Americans couldn't get enough of it. Yeah. Safer to drink than water is pretty wild. And and obviously it plays a big role in it.

Starting point is 00:15:38 In the late 1700s, water was dangerous and still is to this day. Yeah. Shut full of sharks. Pir this day. Yeah. Full of sharks. Piranhas. Piranhas, exactly. Wow. You can drown. You can drown, even if there's no shouts of piranhas.

Starting point is 00:15:52 Yeah, water will just kill you by itself. Yeah, we should ban water. Has that ever been banned? I don't think it has. That's a good point. We're going to write a letter to the president. Whoever that might be. Yes.

Starting point is 00:16:11 As Anastasia Miller and Jared Brown write for Difford's Guide, which is like a great resource, but it is, it's all coming from the alcohol angle. Like they're from the lovers of alcohol. Oh, right. Big alcohol. I wish there was a name for that. Somebody just loves alcohol, they can't get enough of it. You know, if he controls their lives, every decision made, then we'll call in one by the end of the episode.

Starting point is 00:16:31 Yeah. But anyway, Miller and Brown friends to booze. Oh, my God. Yeah. Friends to the booze. Friends to the booze. Bit of a taboo though, isn't it? Is that that's the kind of joke I reckon I could write for Frasier. You know, can you imagine Frasier saying that to Niles? I think we've got a hit on our hands. I think they're coming back for a new season, right?

Starting point is 00:16:53 Are they? I might send in a package just like a package of soaps and stuff saying, let me write for you. He likes caviar. Oh, caviar. Caviar and soaps. Yep. So Milren Brown were talking about how water was bad news back then, but they are very pro-alcohol, I should say. They said that water would carry things like typhoid, cholera, E. coli and dysentery. None of those are good.

Starting point is 00:17:20 No, no. Especially when you got a whiskey just there. Yeah. I don't have one of them. of those are good. No, no. Especially when you got a whiskey just there. You know, yeah. I don't have one of them. Is that the kind of thing that will be picked up on a microphone? Doubtful. Certainly not going to go for 20 minutes until that guy comes in. Turns his car alarm off.

Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, there is a very low. There it is. He turned it off quite quickly. Does anyone find it fascinating that car alarms still exist? Like what? What? If you've ever heard of a car alarm, you better investigate that. I better go check on my neighbor's car.

Starting point is 00:17:51 Well, you saw us all jump to action, didn't you? Hey, are you still in that car? It's more like, oh, dickhead, turn your alarm off. That's all you do. I'm trying to sleep. Is there a place on this car I can kick it so the alarm will switch off? My first car had one. It just, you know, it was like a 410 car,

Starting point is 00:18:07 just had one and a mobilizer on it. And it would go off regularly in the middle of the night. No one was stealing that car. But I'm living in the bungalow at the back of my parents' place and I woke up so many times just leaping and sprinting out the front with the, me. So sorry everybody. I don't know how to, I don't know how to stop it. I don't know where it is. It's in, it's in the car somewhere.

Starting point is 00:18:33 It's coming from inside the car. Um, so anyway, yeah. So water was bad. Uh, and this, this wasn't a recent development of people were, um, drinking alcohol to avoid dangerous water. Miller and Brown continue from Shang dynasty China through to the age of enlightenment. Humans knew that a cup of wine, a tumbler of beer, a dram of spirit could keep your digestive system intact and help you live past 30. The simple fact was that humans began to live longer after the discovery of fermented and distilled beverages. This does sound like the tobacco industry writing about cigarettes.

Starting point is 00:19:07 Honestly, the only way to get a cool, refreshing feeling and live past 45 is to smoke mulberry. It'll fix whatever algea. Mulberry. At the dawn of the 19th century, when water was downright dangerous, the average American consumed about seven gallons of spirits per year, consisting mostly of rum, brandy, gin, and whiskey. I don't really know what a gallon is, but I know it's a lot of, it's a lot of. It's like about three litres ish. Yeah, I don't, I don't think it, you know, you probably would need more water than that in a year though,

Starting point is 00:19:38 more than seven gallons. Seven gallons, that's on average. An average American, I assume that includes babies. Oh yeah, they need less. They outweigh us. Well, they rubbed a bit on their gum. Yeah, they did a thimble-fully day, I think. Hit me again. Hit me again, mama. I'll let you know when I've had enough.

Starting point is 00:20:01 Rorabelle writes, by the 1820s, the average adult white male drank half a pint of whiskey a day. All right. That's all right. That's that's a that's a bit a bit. So it seems, yeah, while whiskey was less dangerous than water, it had its own issues. Name one issue with drinking half a pint of whiskey a day every day of your life It's just like it was standard people were at work. Everyone was just drunk This is the standard thing. There's only way to live past 35. Yeah, and yeah, there were negatives to that raw bow rights

Starting point is 00:20:38 Liquor corrupted elections wife beating and child abuse were common and many crimes were committed while the perpetrator was under the influence. But also the people who were having the crime done to them were under the influence. The shopkeepers being robbed, but he's also drunk. The cops arrived, they're drunk. And everybody's living past 35. So who's to say whether it's bad or not? Time flies though, because you're just having such a good time. It doesn't feel like you're living that long.

Starting point is 00:21:06 But anyway, all this led to a big backlash, especially from evangelical Protestants. And they began to organize around their opposition to the demon drink. At first, the target was just spirits. They wanted Americans to focus on less alcoholic beverages like beer and wine. Like, just make the switch. They take the healthy option. Drink, you know, half a liter of beer a day. Oh, right. Trying to ease them off a bit.

Starting point is 00:21:28 Yeah. But unfortunately. Suck on a cocaine lozenge instead, you know, the healthy option prescribed by your doctor. Just take the edge off. They. Yeah, exactly like everything was. Every medicine was crazy back then. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:45 Opium. It's good. Get off that. That was the slogan back then. Yeah, opium. It's good. Get off that. That was the slogan on the phone. Opium is good. No doubt. Opium never gave you cholera. That's right. So they.

Starting point is 00:21:57 Opium. All the things they said about whiskey is it's the same. They're still good. Just as good. We'll steal your slogans. are you gonna do yeah they wanted people to get off the whiskey but whiskey was so much cheaper and readily available like beer was not as available in country towns and stuff if you wanted it was in the cities wine was only really big in California by the sounds of it. You know, this is a beer man, Matt. Has beer always been fizzy? Oh, I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Flat beer. Yeah, I don't. I think it. Oh, man. All right, because you'd be harder to transport and keep. Because I know, you know, like, fresh old English ales and stuff, real ales. They're they're not fizzy. They're not. They're thick. Yeah, they eat a hand pump. Yeah. not. They're thick. Yeah, they can pump up.

Starting point is 00:22:45 Yeah. And I would have thought like mead and stuff like going back to those old school ones. I assume that's all just sort of flat. Flatish. I can't write. So you can slam it down fast. Blow on the fizz. So you can slam it down fast. You remember that ad Dave?

Starting point is 00:23:02 Loved it. Such a good ad. And wasn't it it was like Joe Creasy's dad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Very cool. I mean, someone had to be.

Starting point is 00:23:11 Yeah. Why not Joe Creasy's dad? You know, if he didn't do it, somebody else would have stepped up, you know. I would have. I was actually I was about to put my hand up. I was actually pretty. It was supposed to be Joe Creasy's dad. Yeah. Again. So, actually pretty peoed. It was supposed to be Joel Chrissy's dad.

Starting point is 00:23:25 Again. So yeah, evangelical Protestants, they weren't into the booze. They started campaigning for Americans first to give up whiskey or to beer, and then eventually just to voluntarily give up all alcohol together. They're like, do it, just give it up.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Just give up fun, just fine. Replace it with nothing. Don't worry about it. That sounds like they're. Give up liquid. Poison water. They really started picking up when potable water became more available. That's an excuse then, isn't it? Sorry, I need this to live.

Starting point is 00:23:57 Dollar pots of water down at the pub. Apparently, I'm loving this. This is good. This is good stuff. Keep it coming. I'll let you know when I've loving this. This is good. This is good stuff. Keep it coming, Keefe. I'll let you know when I've had enough. So yeah, I think those two things together, the evangelical Protestants were pushing it,

Starting point is 00:24:15 water was safer. That all seemed to start working quite well. By 1840, I've got the Millennium Bug where I changed every start of the century to the 1900s. I can't stop. You can't stop. It's addictive. I'm reading 18, but I'm saying 19.

Starting point is 00:24:33 I can't help it. So yeah, by 1840, Royal Bower reckons about half of Americans had taken the pledge. They all just went cold turkey on booze. So it was working. But you can sort of understand as well. It's like it just seems like if you're drinking, you were drinking, you were binge drinking every day. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:54 But again, in the pledge, are they counting the babies again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every day more, more sober people have been born. So like I was saying, Safe Podable water had become more readily available and that was another big influence on people giving away the booze. As Miller and Brown wrote, as New York's population began to burst at the seams, the craft of fresh water prompted the city in 1837 to construct an aqueduct to convey water from 40 miles north in Croton, apologies for the pronunciation,

Starting point is 00:25:25 don't look it up, to a reservoir situated in what eventually became Central Park. Liquor consumption waned with the arrival of fresh cold water and not just in New York. It is estimated that by 1845, American alcohol consumption nosedived from seven gallons a year to just over 1.5 gallons a year. Nerds. A bunch of nerds. And a lot of people have given it up.

Starting point is 00:25:52 There's like someone out there who's really putting in. That's right. Yeah. Under 50 gallons a year. Be one of those guys that's like, oh, you're not going to eat bacon? Well, I'm going to eat twice as much bacon. What do you think about that? It's the same, but it's a guy who's like, oh, you're not going to drink seven gallons of whiskey? Well, I'm going to drink 14 gallons of then. What do you think about that? It's the same. It's a guy who's like, oh, you're not gonna drink

Starting point is 00:26:09 Seven gallons of whiskey. Well, I'm gonna drink 14 gallons of whiskey. What do you think about that? Oh All my internal organs have failed. Well Serves me right I suppose Was that because of the bacon or the whiskey? I'm drink I'm drink I'm exclusively drinking bacon wrapped whiskey now That does sound good. Yeah, tell you what fresh glass of water, a cold glass of water. Let me tell you. God, so good. And imagine having not been able to drink it before.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Right? I could see myself really starting to hoe in. Yeah, there's no sludge in this. There's no bits. There are probably some bits. Yeah. There's less bits in there. There wouldn't be.

Starting point is 00:26:42 And they probably don't have the teeth stuff that they put in here, which controls our minds. But because it controls my mind, I say it's good. But yeah, so the numbers dropping right down. But the reformers, they thought that's not enough. We don't want it down to 1.5 gallons a year. We want no one drinking ever. We don't want it and we don't want you two either. Biggest nerds of all.

Starting point is 00:27:08 So America was split. And between babies and adults. Babies and adults is one way you could call it. They were split into two factions. You know what the two factions were called? I don't know. Snobbs and slobs. That's better. Theyobbs and slobs. That's better.

Starting point is 00:27:26 They were drys and wets. Drys and wets. Oh, wow. Now you're a wet. I'm a wet. Yeah. I had a beer last night at the pub. Am I saying?

Starting point is 00:27:36 Yeah, I'm an occasional wet. I think I'm an occasional wet as well. Yeah. Yeah. So you're sort of more of, you're both moist. You're a couple of moist boys. Continually moist. Hashtag moist boys. You're out there moist. You're a moist boys. Continually moist boys. Throughout their listening,

Starting point is 00:27:47 hashtag moist boys. Let's get that going for block. Hashtag blocks over hashtag moist boys. Moist boys. I mean, that could be big. Yeah. See, because I think like being a wet would be the cooler thing to do. But I think being a dry, that's a cooler name.

Starting point is 00:28:02 You don't want to be a wet. I'm a wet boy. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like you've had an accident. Yeah, that's being a dry, that's a cooler name. You don't want to be a wet. I'm a wet boy. Yeah. Sounds like you've had an accident. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's not... The wets and the dries. And now you're a team wet having made two documentary series on beer.

Starting point is 00:28:14 Yeah, you're a full wet. Yeah, well, I'm pro-choice. I'll say that. But only in some things. Which I think, you know, inherently that's what the wets are. The wets aren't saying you all have to drink. The drys are saying you all shouldn't drink. That's very true.

Starting point is 00:28:28 It is very funny to think that there would probably be a very small faction of the wets who are like, no, you should all drink. There's people at the pub that are like, why aren't you having a beer? Why aren't you having a beer? Yeah, that is true. Oh, you're our designated driver, are you? Well, OK, well, take a noob out of care. What if you're pregnant?

Starting point is 00:28:44 You're allowed to have one per hour. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you get to work every one hour. Yeah. Oh, you're sick. Who cares? Have a whiskey. That feels like that. People have never quite grown out of of being a teenage like a tryhard. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:01 What are you a loser? You don't even you're not even drinking tonight. Well, I'm about to do something embarrassing and I don't want you to remember it. So you drink as well. That is pretty much it. I think. I feel bad about this. Not too far below the surface and you're making me contemplate that. Okay. So there was this one dedicated dry, there's so many great characters in this and despite this episode probably being really long, I'm only going to briefly talk about a lot of them and they could probably all have their own episode just about. There was this one lecturer who had a great name, Dio Lewis and he travelled around, this is how

Starting point is 00:29:39 he made his living, travelling around small towns and saying, gathering up a crowd and going, oi, drinking's bad. You should all knock it off. How did he make money out of that? How did he monetize that? Okay, right. I think he had a Patreon. You guys are all bad people for drinking and you should stop drinking.

Starting point is 00:29:57 Put the money in the hat, please. $10 each. That's how much you'll be saving for me. So you're actually making money if you give me $10 right now. Don't forget to like and subscribe. That's right. You got to take the pledge and that pledge will cost you 4.99. According to Rorabout in December of 1873, which funnily enough is the, the St.

Starting point is 00:30:15 Kilda football club was formed. You knew that was the reason you wanted to do this topic. That's right. Yeah. Well, it was about a year ago that I did a, probably the only episode longer than this one, which Jess was also sick for. So it's a bit of a tradition. She's hacking into your Google Docs and seeing the work count. She checks the work, she gets an alert on the work out and feigns sickness whenever it slips

Starting point is 00:30:38 above 7,000. But anyway, in December of 1873, this guy, Dio, gave a series of talks in Hillsborough, Ohio, God's country itself, and the effect of the evangelical Protestant women in the town at his presentations, Rorabauer describes as electrifying. Oh, yeah. He sounds like he's got that charisma. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:31:04 I get I'm saying I'm saying his, his situation. Yeah. Yeah. He's turning these drives wet. If you know, just three boys. Yeah. Just three boys. Boys.

Starting point is 00:31:16 I get like I like how instantly there's like a grift involved. Now. Yeah. Like immediately the people like, how can I make a buck out of this? Yeah. There's a moral issue here. How can I make some coin out of this? And you can picture him during Prohibition just flipping and going town to town going,

Starting point is 00:31:39 we should bring back alcohol. Yeah. Who's with me? Yeah, we pass the hat around. We flip all the towns to dry and then I do another lap. It's like they're playing America. It's like a board of Othello. It's that game where you flip the black and white sides.

Starting point is 00:31:54 It's a reference everyone would understand. I mean, you can play it on a phone and obviously it's instant, but back when you played Othello years ago, it would have taken ages. Yeah, back in my day. We had a little board. It's been half your life flipping water bottles. To me, that was the fun bit. So, Rorabelle goes on. So talking about the women found electrifying, moistening, and looking around Hillsborough.

Starting point is 00:32:22 Oh, just the right boys. Just the right boys. What? I don't understand. I mean, dryifying. Oh, there's three boys. What? I don't understand. I mean, dryifying. So they started seeing the town through a different lens. There are all these raunchy saloons and they're looking at me and going, hang on, he's right. This is no good. We're like pretty hardcore religious people and we want to tell these guys to knock it off.

Starting point is 00:32:44 So we're all about, right? Dozens of women descended upon one saloon, entered this all male sanctuary and proceeded to pray on their knees and sing hymns. They said they would leave as soon as the seller agreed to close the business. How was it? We'll stop singing these hymns on our knees only when you go out of business. Basically being like, we will ruin the pub experience for you. So you may as well close it.

Starting point is 00:33:11 Get ahead of this. And apparently it worked. Several saloon keepers quickly capitulated, which put more pressure on the others to conform. And within a short time, Hillsborough went dry. Can only imagine how bad their singing must have been. Yeah right. If it was entertaining they would set the pub owner would be like come and see the screaming women. Yes, what a time.

Starting point is 00:33:32 They're singing kneelers. To say hey there's a stage over there if you want to kneel up there that'd be great. Yeah so people can see you kneeling down it's probably her they put in raked seating. But it's the equivalent of when you get on the train and a guy comes into your carriage and he sets up a guitar and he's like, here we go. Here we go, folks. And you're like, ah. Has that ever happened on the tram?

Starting point is 00:33:53 No. I'm more used to seeing someone come on with a speaker that's not up to the job. Pumping out tunes. But with the train you can go like carriage to carriage, you can do the whole thing. And being busking as they go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was in New York last year, four guys get on and I thought, oh no, because they put a little backing track on, they'll start clicking.

Starting point is 00:34:18 Oh God. And I'm like, oh no. But then they had the best soul voices ever heard perfect harmony I'm like and they at the end they do one song pass out around. I'm like, yeah, take my money. That was fantastic Well, we're in New York. You know, that's you that's a city that never sleeps I went from being like, oh it's being like yeah another one because you're used to the People get on a train Because you're used to the people get on a train and melt it. Oh please.

Starting point is 00:34:46 They can't see it. Please. They had moves too though, sort of in unison for moving their hands to get... I bet you could have picked the locals though, the locals wouldn't have been so excited. Was that the four remaining members of NSYNC minus Justin Timberlake? Is that who it was? So back to Rorbaugh, news of the Hillsborough campaign spread in the newspapers, including the Temperance Press, the Temperance movement of course being part of the dry movement,

Starting point is 00:35:10 and evangelical women in other small towns in Ohio and Western upstate New York also took direct action. Thus was born the Women's Crusade of 1873 to 1874. Middle-class women dried up dozens of small towns, but when anti-licker reformers in larger towns led similar movements, they met defiance and resistance. In big cities, the reaction was fierce. In Cincinnati, praying women were locked out of the saloons, which admitted only regular customers, and a few salen keepers' wives located in upstairs apartments dumped the contents of chamber pots upon their heads of the protesters.

Starting point is 00:35:45 Oh, wow. Just dropping their juices. Their juices. Yeah. Their wets. Yeah. My God. You're too dry down there. Oh, you, you, you want to, you don't want to get wet? Well, you will.

Starting point is 00:35:56 Don't mix up your wets, folks. Don't do it. This is the first instance of getting like a nightclub bouncer. See, line up and then they say, are you here to protest or drink? Oh, protest. And anyone wearing knee pads? I think I think bouncer should bring back emptying the chamber pot on Troublemakers.

Starting point is 00:36:14 Not with those shoes. They're covered in faces. They didn't even have to really figure it because women generally weren't admitted into these places. So they stood out. Which is something that prohibition really changed. Like I would talk about later, but women started going to bars. Nice. Amazing. It's pretty amazing how nearly every motivation that the people who wanted the dryers had sort of got flipped and made worse because of prohibition. Although the demonstrators were mostly peaceful,

Starting point is 00:36:45 rocks occasionally broke bar room windows and sellers learned to shutter their windows before the crusaders arrived. They're usually peaceful, but sometimes they did throw rocks. They throw Molotov cocktails, but you need an empty bottle of booze for that. Where are they going to get one? Yeah. They need some sort of solid TNT, something like that. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a slippery slope, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:37:07 It is. Yeah. Women played a huge role in the temperance movement. One of the key groups on the dry side was the Women's Christian Temperance Union, the WCTU, which was founded in 1874 on the back of this whole, what do we call it? The the Women's Crusade. Right. Led by President Francis Willett, the group campaigned to dry out America at local, state

Starting point is 00:37:32 and federal levels. And during the final decades of the 1800s, the WCTU was the main organisation campaigning for anti-liquor legislation. While results vary, Prohibition gained quite a bit of success in rural areas where the evangelical churches had the strongest followings. So they were started bit by bit, some states almost, you know, but in other states like towns and areas and I'm sort of like growing out the dry areas. By being like, our town is too small to have a pub, but if it did have one, there'd be no alcohol there and that sort of spread.

Starting point is 00:38:05 But then, and then there were like, there were sort of clever rules though, because it wasn't, it was growing popularity, but not everyone was on board. So they do, they'd get laws passed at local levels, like in our town or in this area saloons are illegal, but not within a three mile radius or whatever of schools or hospitals and like a town. So you get a drink and go to school. That was within the rules. Okay. That's that's.

Starting point is 00:38:37 You couldn't have one within a radius, but that radius took in the whole town. You know, the schools in the middle of town. Yeah. Right. Right. They're legal here. You just have to have it like in the middle of the town. I think we've got to move the school, folks. We're going to move the school. There's an avalanche prone hill. We'll put it under there. That's fine. And then it's out of the radius. Then we can have a drink. Willard, the president of the WCTU, used the motto, do everything.

Starting point is 00:39:06 OK, that's very Nike, isn't it? That's a good slogan. That's still available. I'd probably take that. I think I might come back into the public domain. May so do everything. Don't mind if I do everything. Is it like this at an at all cost type thing? Because it does sort of the opposite of what they're preaching, right?

Starting point is 00:39:23 You know, like, don't do everything. Hardly do anything when it comes down to golf. It's mixed messaging, isn't it? Yeah. Do anything, do everything. I will. Thank you. Thank you. No, no, no, we don't mean it like that. Yeah, I'll have a daiquiri. No. And I'll do some hardcore drugs. Because the motto wasn't used to the outside world, to the wets. It was used inward. They're saying by any means necessary to stop people from doing it. Also talking about the kind of campaigning that work they want to do. Whatever it means the most you do that.

Starting point is 00:39:51 Do everything. Do anything. Do everything. Got Aurora Bauer using the motto, do everything. It's very vague, isn't it? The guy at the top is a real ideas man. He's a big picture guy. Hey, what should we do to stop people drinking?

Starting point is 00:40:04 Oh, everything. Do everything. should we do to stop people drinking? Oh, everything. Do everything. We said we protest out from the pub. Yeah, that's everything. Isn't it? Do that. Yep. You said ideas, man, but this isn't women can be ideas. That's so true.

Starting point is 00:40:15 May so. Yeah. I can do everything. Oh, that's so true. Isn't it? I've just been saying like that. I reckon if we say it enough times, it's ours. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:22 Everything. Yeah. We can own that. Back to Rorabelle. So yeah, using the motto, do everything, WCTU members specialize in whatever reform is closest to their hearts. The committed feminist, Willard pushed women's suffrage, which attracted many women. Under Willard, the WCTU grew to become the largest women's organization in the US with 200,000 members in 1890. She also traveled to Europe and in 1891 established the world's WCTU, the WWCTU, and she put herself

Starting point is 00:40:53 in as president. This was the first global women's organization and it coordinated with women's anti-licker groups in Germany, Scandinavia, the UK, India and Australia. Willard was closely linked to the Republican Party, which led to some difficulties in the South. Apparently like you know how the modern political landscape people say, oh, the, you know, the, the, the intellectuals, the, what do you call them? The, the elites. Yeah. The liberal elites, the shandy sipping elites. Yeah, the Wokerati. Yeah, yeah. So I think that and she was sort of in that, that times version of that,

Starting point is 00:41:32 which was associated more with Republicans in the north. But in the south, it was more the women like that were more likely Democrats. So that led to some problems for her. She's like strong Republican and trying to move down there. And they're like, we don't like Republicans, we're Democrats. Like, oh, so she had to separate a bit to make it work down there. And in the end, anyway, she started to grow impatient with both major parties, especially her closer allies in the Republican Party, because they because of their reluctance to move strongly on prohibition. She's like, let's, you're, you're the big, you're one of the big parties. Classic big party.

Starting point is 00:42:07 Yeah. Doesn't want to doesn't want to make a decision. Put themselves in the line. Yeah. When they're in opposition, they often do. We would we would really fix this up if we were in. Yeah, whatever you would do the opposite. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:22 And better and better. All right. You remember when you said you'd do something when you're in, you want to do something? We're still cleaning up the mess of the last ones. You've been in for eight years. Yeah, but those guys, 15, 16 years ago, they did a really bad job. Yeah, what a mess they left. And there's still a lot of work to do.

Starting point is 00:42:40 We see both sides over here at Togo on. Yeah, wet and dry. We're probably wet and here at Togo on. Yeah, wets and dries. Wets and dries. We're moist. Yeah. Zoe, do you want to go out and say who you are supporting in any upcoming elections? Well, everyone. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:55 Yeah, I vote multiple times. Vote for everyone. Yeah, vote for everyone. That's what I say. Yeah. Yeah. I know a guy, so they just let me keep coming back in and you vote. New name. Yeah. Yeah. I know a guy so they just let me keep coming back in and yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:08 And it's great because it, it cancels all the votes out. So exactly. No, I always come out on top. Yeah, exactly. That's right. And I always vote for the winner. Whoever it is. And just in case I'm voting on some of those weird little parties, that's right.

Starting point is 00:43:23 Like the no alcohol party, which I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for. I bet there is one in Australia, probably. I vote for the no alcohol party. I vote for the only alcohol party. A little bit of alcohol party when you had a good day. Yeah, I vote for put alcohol in the water supply party, you know. Yeah, I vote for the put fluoride in the alcohol party. That's exactly right.

Starting point is 00:43:46 Dry extremists from both the Republicans and the Democrats splintered off to form the Prohibition Party and as we all know them by name and I think they're still one of the major players. There's a chance that they've just won the election. Yeah, they could. They may have. And things, you know, things went pretty well, arguably. They got some votes. In 1884, their presidential nomination was former Republican governor of Kansas,

Starting point is 00:44:13 John St. John. Good night. Pretty good. Pretty good night. John St. John. Yeah, parents might have been a little drunk at the time. Willard, but you know, when you accidentally fill in the surname and the figure and mix

Starting point is 00:44:28 it up. Yeah. But this is before White Out. That'll do. And it was before White Out. Willard publicly backed him, Johnson John, but her organisation, the WCTU did not. So she's the president and they're like, no, I think they were mainly sticking with, you know, the majors. According to Rawrabout,

Starting point is 00:44:52 Johnson John won 1.5% of the vote. The Prohibition Party's presidential vote peaked in 1892 with 2.25% of the vote and it started dipping after that. As critics noted at the time, Willards do everything policy in her political gyrations, the fact that she jumped ship sort of, weakened the ability of the WCTU either to enact prohibition or to influence the two major parties that were key to political success. Just kind of like, be like fair enough, but she was trying to do that first and that also didn't work. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Oh, I what if I just if I just try to influence the Republican Party from within? Yeah, that would have worked.

Starting point is 00:45:31 Well, it didn't work, buddy. I was trying that for years. And also, like, it doesn't sound like they're offering anything else. Like, it's not like they're they're like, oh, we're going to improve infrastructure or whatever. They're just like, no, one is starting like, no. Yeah. I was like, what are you going to do with the hospitals?

Starting point is 00:45:50 Well, they won't need to be hospitals because no one will be drinking. OK, that's how they should do. What happens, you know, when they when you, you know, you in primary school, when they want to, you know, elect a class president or whatever, just promise like coke in the drink tabs and stuff like that. For our American. Yeah, that's right. that. Think for our own Macanthro. Yeah, that's right. I've said this heaps on the show, I'm sure.

Starting point is 00:46:08 No, I'm work. When I was in year seven, the guy got voted to be school captain of my high school because he promised if you vote for me, I'll grow an Afro. The whole school voted for him. And did he? Oh, yeah. Oh, nice.

Starting point is 00:46:20 By the end of the year, he looked awesome. Yeah. Do you think he was going to grow the Afro anyway? Yeah, I reckon. Yeah, well. Single issue party. Single issue. Willard died in 1898 before seeing a dream of a dry America realized. A couple of years after her death, another strong woman took up the cause and she had God on her side.

Starting point is 00:46:41 Her name was Carrie Nation. Oh, that's good. That's a good name. Middle initial A? Yeah, Carrie Nation on her side. Her name was Carrie Nation. Oh, that's good. That's a good name. Middle initial A? Yeah, Carrie Nation on her back. She was, she was big. She was like a six foot woman, like a really tall woman for the time. And yeah, she was suggested specifically by a few listeners, including Aaron, Alex, Megan, Austin, Aviva and Emi.

Starting point is 00:47:02 And so I'm just going to briefly talk about her. Carrie Nates is the best. Carrie Nation. Go ahead and Brown and Miller in June of 1900. God spoke to Carrie Nation. She was a six foot tall Kentucky born advocate of temperance, who now gained divine approval for her cause. She's like, God told me, I got to I got to stop this. He wants me to do it.

Starting point is 00:47:25 So I'm going to get out there and I'm going to stop people drinking. Wow, so weak is there's another guy down there. I just said God told me last night that I've got to sell whiskey to everyone. Why does this happen? What's going on? Carrie. And he works in the series. There's been a mixer.

Starting point is 00:47:40 So responding to this epiphany, she gathered several rocks, which she calls smashes. I think God sort of probably worded up on this stuff as well. Then she went to Dobson Saloon in Kiowa, Kansas and announced, quote, men, I have come to save you from a drunkard's fate. She then decimated the saloons entire stock with her arsenal. It's always just her. Just just her. And a lot of rocks. And I and I'm I've got to say to the

Starting point is 00:48:08 pedants out there that that was brown baby pedants listening to this brand. That was Brown and Miller's were used to word decimated there. I know someone out there's young decimated. I've reduced by a tenth.

Starting point is 00:48:22 Because I think she reduced by hundreds. Yeah, we're using it in a sense of a smashed up real good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Carrie, this is God. Collect some rocks. You can call them whatever you want. Splash is God.

Starting point is 00:48:34 Yeah, that's good. I mean, that's that's really, that's really good, actually. I'm more a big ideas guy. Anything you want to do is fine. Yeah, do everything. Do everything. That's kind of my motto. Yeah. Did you steal that from the WCTU?

Starting point is 00:48:47 No, no, no, no, no. I came up with them as well. Yeah, I came up with them. So I created everyone's everything I created. I've taken the credit. So, so she's she's doing this, wielding a hatchet as well. And she's like in the bar smashing bottles. She just literally went in and said, I'm here to save you all. Fellas just started smashing up all the bottles till there were none left. Off I go. She went

Starting point is 00:49:12 to two more saloons in that town and then continued on for the following decade going town to town. I'm sorry she wasn't arrested for destroying everything. She was arrested more than 30 times. Oh my god. You swear you won't do it again, Carrie Nation? Yes, we're. I don't know why she's a small Australian. Do you watch your Kentucky accent again, Dave? Yeah, from Kentucky. That's probably fine.

Starting point is 00:49:38 You're doing like, I'm not a big city lawyer kind of voice. I ain't no big city lawyer. Let me just tell you something. You're a Carrie Nation. I don't think you boys should be drinking any more of this here whiskey. So I'm going to f it up. The my little hatchet. Everyone's like this giant woman is going to kill us all.

Starting point is 00:50:00 I can't believe that she just keeps entering the box. I always think people you go to God, she believes God told her to do it. It'd be like, yeah, you can arrest me as much as I like. God told me to do this and we're just going to keep doing it. That's what you would do, surely. God's never told me to do shit. He's the highest court in the land. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:22 So she finally collapsed during a speech on the 9th of June 1911 and died. So I'd done what she loved, telling people to stop drinking and was buried in a non-mark grave in Belton, Missouri. The women's Christian Temperance Union later erected a tombstone with her epitaph reading, faithful to the cause of prohibition. She has done what she could. Smash it. She's done what she could. Yeah. Not enough, to be honest.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Yeah. Got her in more. Yeah. But obviously her capacity for hard work was about that. You had a guy. You had a bit of a good guy. Got on you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:03 So yeah. I just love the idea of her walking into a bar and the barman recognising about, Carrie, no, no, Carrie, please. Stop, Carrie, no. Oh, not the top shelf stuff. That's really, it's really expensive. All of us, you can see through sounds, man, like this is, see, this is why we don't allow women in here.

Starting point is 00:51:19 See, this is what they'll get up to. They'll do smashing. They'll bring in their, they'll bring in their famous hatchets. The regular, regular is just grabbing bottles off the shelf and trying to just scull them and neck them as quickly as they can. Well, Kerry smashes it out of their head. I haven't had my daily half pint. Kerry, I'm dehydrated.

Starting point is 00:51:36 Kerry, please. You'd be in there negotiating. You'd be like, I'll just drink this and then then smash it and we'll say it. We'll say it all went down the drain. Please, Kerry, just a sip. I Please carry this. This is about the sip. I was enjoying this. That's a that's a new beer. I just ordered that.

Starting point is 00:51:49 I just paid for that. Carrie, please. Just how I like it. Flat, a flat beer. Flat and disgusting. But without a cola. Yeah, true. What a what a wild character.

Starting point is 00:52:01 Yeah. You can see why I've got a few people like you got to talk about her. But like the wildest story is that that's just a little footnote in it, really. Taking up the baton after this and into the 20th century was the anti-saloon league, ASL. Never knew that's what it stood for. According to Britannia. So back on the early internet when you were chatting with people, you said ASL, you meant anti-Slooney. He is right back.

Starting point is 00:52:27 Yes. Yeah. Yes, definitely. 100%. Let's smash some stuff tomorrow. According to Britannica even, kind of Britannia. And I apologize. We were just going to roll with it.

Starting point is 00:52:41 Yeah, I love, I thought you were just going to be quoting from the, from Royal Britannia. Yeah. Rules, they ruled the waves. According to Royal Britannia, the Anti-Saloon League was the leading organization lobbying for prohibition in the US in the early 20th century. It was founded as a state society in God's country, Ohio in 1893, but its influence spread rapidly and only two years later became a national organization. It drew most of its support from Protestant evangelical churches and it lobbied at all levels of government for legislation to prohibit the manufacture and sale of intoxicating beverages.

Starting point is 00:53:15 So they were doing very similar stuff to the WCTU, but I think they allowed, there were men involved as well. Okay. So I can't do anything. I think that's important. That's one of the big takeaways from the story. They can do everything. A lot of this stuff. I wonder how much of it really boiled down to like, it's just something to do.

Starting point is 00:53:37 Isn't it? You know, right? Yeah. You just, we, we, we, we could lobby Washington. Oh, we get to go on a little trip. That's cool. That's fun. I think that that's the I think that's the case with so much stuff. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:50 Some of it's such worthy causes. And some of it's just like, oh, you've got a hole here, don't you? And you want to fill it. And you can do that in many different ways. That's so true, isn't it? And you've cut out alcohol. So what else you got? Yeah. Yeah. Walking around, I guess. Yeah. A. Walking around, I guess. Yeah. And random bursts of violence.

Starting point is 00:54:06 Nealon. Yeah. Nealon singing. Singing. Singing. Yeah. Yeah. Roar about rights led by the brilliant Washington lobbyist, Wayne Wheeler, which is a fantastic name I've got to say. That's incredible. And Wayne Wheeler by name, Wayne Wheeling and dealing by nature because he was so good at diplomacy in Washington. He was he just made things happen. He was a fixer.

Starting point is 00:54:29 He was a he was a he was a guy who could get things done. I wouldn't normally I wouldn't normally get on my phone during one of these, but I'm going to look up Wayne Wheeler. I'm going to see if he's got like like in the one photo of one illustration of him. Like what does he look like? Have you seen Wayne Whe look before, Matt? I think I've seen a bunch of men in this story and they all can't. I mean, it looks like a man. That's what I've been researching.

Starting point is 00:54:52 They all look vaguely similar. OK, look, he's got he's he's sort of a. Like it like he's just an old timey man. He looks like maybe an FDR or something like that. But there is one like comes up later. There is one like kind of sassy photo of him where he's got his arms crossed. He's got a little smirk to him like, I know something you don't know. And he's got, he's just, he's got what I would call a small mustache.

Starting point is 00:55:16 Yeah. Like just he's put a number one or number two over the top of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's's a it's like, it's like a kind of a like a coffee stain. Yeah, it looks like a classic comedian who just drew it on with Texter. It looks like that guy. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't with Texter,

Starting point is 00:55:35 but Groucho Marx. To me, he just looks like any anyone who died of the Titanic. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I think. Well, this is that period. And that's why they all kind of look like this guy. He is wearing, unless the fidelity of this photo was not high enough, but he's

Starting point is 00:55:53 wearing, he's wearing the Pinsnets. He's wearing the, the glasses you pinched to your nose. Morpheus style. They've got no, they've got no arms on them. No, no he is needed. No he's needed. That's right. Well I think that was, don't talk about it. Fashion plate this bike. He is also, yeah, he he wanted to ban alcohol and arms on glasses. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 00:56:12 That is two big things. We don't need them. The demon arms, he called them. That's right. Royal Bound continues. The ASL elected legislators and members of Congress loyal to its agenda. So he's helping put people in positions of power and also going, we'll get you in, we'll get you the votes if you agree to be hardcore dry.

Starting point is 00:56:36 The group pushed local options where it could not win statewide prohibition. They talk about this a bit, the local options. That's just like, like I said, making the town have no saloons within a radius of the of the school or just gone, you know, just taking them out one by one and they had to these different ways of going about, they try and encircle the big cities with dry areas, almost like, you know, they're trapping them in there and then it'll be easier for them to those like, like you picture them with in a war room, you know, with the big

Starting point is 00:57:08 map. Oh, like circling like, yeah, we'll come in from the north. Yeah. And then we'll flank them on the west. Like, was it World War Two? They did that to France, to Paris? World War One, you'd know. It doesn't matter.

Starting point is 00:57:20 You'd know. It's been done to Paris for sure. This thing you've said, I've done it, someone's done it. You know, you block them in. Yeah. What do you call that been done to Paris for sure. This thing you've said, I've done it. Someone's done it. You know, you block them in. Yeah. What do you call that? Double parking. Two drinks at once. Yeah, that's right. You sort of surround them and then sort of like, we'll have a siege situation going on. Siege. Yeah. So the only way to get like a drink is you have to like, you have to thread the needle. You have to get it. You know, you you can you can buy one at the pub and then you have to run down specific alleyways.

Starting point is 00:57:47 I don't remember Paris being ceded remember they the French giving up. Oh what do you think of the other war I'm thinking of the first war. Okay or you know St Petersburg the big siege there. Yeah maybe I'm thinking one of them. But um yeah that's that's interesting you just you buy it at the bar and then you can only walk like certain, like a certain way down the bar. Yeah. Like, and if you're like, I'm going to go to the Lou Well, we're going to smash your drink.

Starting point is 00:58:12 Yeah, yeah. I do think it's funny, the strategy to have it like they'll surround the city with dry areas. I'd be like, well, I'll just never leave the city then. Well, I was like, oh, I'm there anyway. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was like going there anyway. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, yeah, I, um, I was going to go visit. I think we were going to go to the country for a box. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:30 But not going to know. Who does do it like, you know, the bar underneath my apartment. Uh, Royal Bell says once liquor dealers were eliminated from large areas of a state, a statewide ban was easier to enact. Uh, and yeah, he had this thought that the great wet cities such as New York, Chicago, the Windy City, the Wedding City, the great wet cities, the great wet city of Chicago, where else? And San Francisco, Atlantis, one of the wettest cities there is.

Starting point is 00:58:58 He called it encirclement, you know, but it was basically like the siege. He was like, we'll get him. Would peer group pressure ever? Look, we're all dry. I don't have a great time. New York's like, you think we give a shit about you out there? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:11 Okay. I don't know. They are kneeling and singing. Smashing. That's fun. In these otherwise empty bars. If you were in the movement, though, you'd be like, boy, I do love smashing with rocks. But man, it'd be great to be licked up while I'm smashing.

Starting point is 00:59:27 Oh my God, it feels so good. Well, that's not really in it. It also makes me much more likely to sing out loud. Yeah, yeah. Off key at people's... It's funny, it made me more likely to do all the things that the drives are doing. Are we sure they're not drinking? But yeah, all of this was moving towards their goal of the nationwide prohibition being enacted

Starting point is 00:59:51 in the constitution, maybe an 18th amendment. Throw in our numbers, I don't know. On the other wetter side of the fence was the broader alcohol industry and they were up for the fight. Broadly speaking, they'll split up in... So there were the spirits arm. The whiskey arm was mainly Irish and Scottish immigrants. They had the wine industry like so before, pretty much limited to California. And then the beer industry, which was mostly German immigrants. And apart from the wetettest areas, politicians didn't really want to be seen taking money directly from the alcohol industry. This was especially true for the distillers

Starting point is 01:00:30 as they had been disgraced by a scandal in the 1870s, which in brief, a big group of whiskey distillers conspired to defraud the federal government of taxes. So their name was mud. Taxes on whiskey and spirits was getting higher and higher. So apparently name was mud. They'll basically go that taxes on whiskey and spirits was getting higher and higher. So they just apparently they literally took them to the woods and just started doing them off the books. This is the Irish and the Scottish and they didn't want to pay taxes as well. Yes. Yeah, that's interesting. And it was true for like the rum makers and pirates pirates.

Starting point is 01:01:00 Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't want to pay taxes either. Yeah, that's true. And they're assorted booties and so forth. Yeah. Um. Yeah, they're declaring that treasure they found. I doubt it.

Starting point is 01:01:09 Or buried. I doubt it. So, because the distillers, their name was Mud. It was up to the brewers. God, imagine you're a pirate and you go to the X and you dig up the treasure and then you're like, I've got to fill this in on my pay as you go. It's fine.

Starting point is 01:01:22 Whatever, you know. Oh. I think I've gone through the tax free threshold here. Fridays are admin days for pirates. Always has been. So yeah, the brewers were the ones who, and they probably had the most saloons cause they control saloons. Yeah. But even more so than the distills and stuff. They, yeah, they

Starting point is 01:01:48 were the bigger business in the booze world. The Germans, apparently they'd set up all these, it wasn't just like seedy saloons. They also had beer gardens were really popular in New York. These German beer gardens, which were more family affairs. What is this, a Melbourne? What is this, a Melbourne laneway? A beer garden? My goodness. Yeah, German rooftop bar. Oh.

Starting point is 01:02:10 So, Robert writes, between 1880 and 1900s, the number of saloons doubled to 300,000 and the per capita consumption of beer also doubled. So, it's going up again. I mean, whiskey and stuff all dropped as people were going sober, but beer's really taking off. I mean, whiskey and stuff all dropped as people gone sober but beers really taking off. Well, I wouldn't even count back in the day, I would think, you know, yeah, it doesn't

Starting point is 01:02:31 count. It just keeps me alive, you know, alive and awake. But after 1900 beer consumption continued to grow. Declining to defend distilled liquor, brewers promoted beer as a moderate low alcohol healthful drink. There it is. It fills you up with your vigors. Yeah. Not like, but they're sort of, you know, they've been split up, unfortunately, from the distills and stuff, which weakened their whole, the whole wet movement. Yeah. Yeah, no, we kind of see what you mean about whiskey, but our stuff is good for you. You don't mean us do you? Surely not. We're cool. You put our product on your cornflakes, don't you? Cornflakes and beer? Yeah, we're a breakfast food. So

Starting point is 01:03:16 they're just letting him pick them off one by one, which is making it easier for the dryers. Right, we're a bit of what's stuck brothers in arms and said. Yeah, true. We've said, we've learnt this multiple times over the years on this show, never split the dry. I would have been better if that's what stuck brothers and arms and said, yeah, we've said, we've learned this multiple times over the years on this show. Never split the party. Yeah, very true. The distiller's didn't like this. So they're like, wait, what are you? What do you mean? You're sort of throwing us under the bus. Distill is also a band name. Oh, it is. And the temperance union. That's Tim Rogers band. Yeah. And, it is. And the Temperance Union. That's right. Tim Rogers band.

Starting point is 01:03:45 Yeah. And he's a pretty famously a boozy man. Or he really used to be. Used to be, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Do you think, do you think alcohol has played a role in, in rock and roll over the years?

Starting point is 01:04:01 I wouldn't think so. No, I wouldn't. I thought so. Probably ironic names. I would, yeah. Temperance Union, I guess was definitely. But yeah, they were pretty annoyed, the distillers. The New York State Wholesale Liquor Dealers Association

Starting point is 01:04:15 complained in the New York Times in 1916 saying- Not a great acronym, probably. The Nice World. Yeah. Nice World. Nice World. It'd be a nice world if we all drank whiskey all the time. Yeah, it would be nice. Back in the day, remember when we all drank whiskey all the time and had seven pints a day or whatever? That was a nice world.

Starting point is 01:04:32 That was a nice world. Take me back. Anyway, nice world. We're having a winch in the paper saying, we deem it particularly deplorable that a few brewers are attempting to obtain legislative advantages for beers at the expense of other alcoholic beverages. And raw about continues distillers refuse to assist the brewers in the campaign to stop prohibition. Oh, it's weird. We tell we were selling everyone that they suck and now they're not even helping

Starting point is 01:04:58 us. What the heck? Not only proves that they suck. And then later on they both realise, oh, we probably should have stuck together. We've cooked this actually. Dang it. The Brewers were still pretty powerful because they had the German American Alliance on their side. This alliance was established by one Kaiser Wilhelm II in 1900, promoting links between Americans

Starting point is 01:05:26 and Germans. The Alliance had two million members in 1914. Wow. When a quarter of Americans had German heritage. And how I didn't realise that there was a point in time when America was, you know, had such strong German heritage. Why would I have known that? I guess. And yeah, it probably goes without saying, but the Alliance was very anti-prohibition. This does come up a bit that may be part of the motivation for the Protestants, the very Anglo group was maybe a bit of xenophobia as well. The Irish, they're drinking all this whiskey, the Germans all their beer, we gotta get rid of it. And to be a real American, be like us, sober.

Starting point is 01:06:11 Yeah, we're gonna come up with a truly American alternative, like alcoholic hot dogs or something. You can have it at a ball game, that's America. First bite and just it just squirts in your mouth. Oh yeah, hell yeah. I'm afraid, that's straight from Germany as well. What else you got? Hamburgers? But yeah, the, the Alliance was used as a way to funnel money to wet politicians.

Starting point is 01:06:39 The wet politicians didn't want to be getting it direct from booze. So they're getting it through the Alliance via beer, you know. Unfortunately though, a big world war was coming up fast and Germany, if you don't know, was on the opposing side of it to America. Oh no. Interesting. Okay. I think they're going to be friends forever. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately not. As Raoul Bauer writes, when World War I began in 1914, the German American Alliance backed Germany. Feels like if 1914, the German American Alliance backed Germany. Feels like if you're the German American Alliance, you can't back Germany or America. Although I should say America wasn't in the war at the time.

Starting point is 01:07:13 So that's that's how they would have done it. But unfortunately, I can't remember. I know I remember that. So I'll just say it when I get to it. Franz Ferdinand also a band. That's right. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, yeah, the Kaiser chiefs. Kaiser chiefs. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:07:32 So so they're back to Germany. And then within a couple of years, 1916, no political Canada could be seen taking money either from brewers with all the German ancestry or from the Alliance at all. So they kind of stuff themselves a bit associating themselves with their own country, which had gone to war. We totally backed Germany and then a couple of years later it's like, oh crap. We can't do that anymore.

Starting point is 01:07:58 Yes. We should have done the hot dog thing. And things turned on Germans in America even before America joined the war, as Miller and Brown wrote. Although America didn't enter the fray until the 6th of April 1917, anti-German sentiments began boiling following the death of 128 Americans in May of 1915 during the sinking of the RMS Lusitania by the German submarine U-20. Newspapers in New York and other cities published the names and addresses of German-Americans, labeling them as enemy aliens, and the Red Cross barred German-Americans from volunteering for fear of sabotage.

Starting point is 01:08:36 Mob violence ensued in the Midwestern states, home to many German lager breweries." So, like, newspapers are literally publishing just because they've got German backgrounds. They go and get them. This is where they are if you want to get them. Wild. Yeah, these guys are bad. Not us who are telling you to wild. Also just to get the newspaper that day and there's no stories. It's just like the German version of the phone book. Sort of flicking through page after page of names and addresses going, what is happening in the world? Yeah. But the guys at the phone book, flicking through page after page of names and addresses going, what is happening in the world? Yeah. But the guys at the newspaper like, oh, easiest day.

Starting point is 01:09:09 Yeah, it's worked out my life. Put it on the photocopier. Hold the presses. We found that in a bunch of old episodes as well that in these times they did just they go Doris, uh, uh, longitude, uh, lost her dog today, uh, who lives at this address. Every story they just put the address in name and name the person and where they're from. They're running stories about Doris longitude, losing a dog. Doris longitude would know where everything was.

Starting point is 01:09:42 where everything was, you know? So anti-German and with it anti-beer sentiment ran high. Irish immigrants were also seen as second class citizens, like I was saying, and the fact they drank whiskey meant drinking whiskey was un-American. As Miller and Brown write, the anti-saloon league implemented pressure politics to stir citizens up to try to a patriotic frenzy. A true American nation had to be a dry nation and things were all coming to a head. This podcast is brought to you by Squarespace, the all-in-one website platform for entrepreneurs to stand out and succeed online. Whether it's your first ever website or your

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Starting point is 01:13:13 and championed by Andrew Volstead, who was the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. And I don't know if you've heard of this, this is why this act is referred to as the Volstead Act. That's because of this guy this is why this act is called referred to as the Volstead Act. Oh wow. That's because this guy, Andrew Volstead. But anyway, so the 18th amendment goes through, it's pretty brief, so I'll read it in three parts.

Starting point is 01:13:35 Must be good to have your name like named off, like an act named after you. That's why you do it as well. Yeah. You jump on whatever it was to be like, yeah, I'll agree to that. Can I put my name on that? Yeah. Yeah. We're going to put my name on that. Yeah. I want to be associated ever with being a party killer. Let's make skateboard tricks legal. That's a MISO act. And then people that turned into like the, uh,

Starting point is 01:14:01 every time somebody's doing an Ollie or whatever, they'd be like, that this is down to the M Miso act. You know? And it becomes an antonym of dog act. Man. What a Miso act. That was sick. Man. Absolute Miso act. Pure Miso. Yeah. I reckon we could get that going just now. Hashtag moist boys. Hashtag Miso act. Can I ask about changing the constitution over there? Is that like a, do you know, is that a hard thing to do? Like here we have to have a natural referendum and everyone has to vote yes or no. Yeah. You need, it needs to go through the, I mean, I don't. You don't have to

Starting point is 01:14:36 say exactly, but is it a big deal or is it basically the politicians vote for it or do the people have to say yes? So it has to happen in Washington. Yeah. Bucking, bucking, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, yeah, I reckon. It has to be. Yeah, exactly. I can't believe we gave all this power to one amendment guy. Which amendment? John Huston does whatever he wants. That is similar. Like it's similar, at least, vaguely to Australian referendums, which like we need more than 50% nationally and then more than 50% of the states.

Starting point is 01:15:19 Yep. So it can't just be the popular vote. But it doesn't go back to the people to vote. I don't think so. But also this't go back to the people to vote. I don't think so. But also this, you know, this is going to be infuriating people if I'm wrong. Sorry. So why do you do that? I thought that you would have come across. Sorry. But it's good for engagement.

Starting point is 01:15:35 We can cut the whole thing if you. No, no, no, don't cut it. You'd rather not. I want people to tweet at me. Yeah, that's right. We're recording this at a time. These go up on YouTube. Yeah, go up on YouTube.

Starting point is 01:15:43 Well, then put them in. Put it in the comments. But yes, I know in the comments. Put yes or no in the comments. Do whatever the question was. That's great. That's great for engagement metrics. If you can hashtag it, moist boys. Hashtag moist boys, yes or no. Yes or no.

Starting point is 01:15:54 Hashtag meso act. I'm just wondering if they all get a little, you know, they have to vote. And it just says dry. Yes or no. Yeah. Do you want to be dry? Yeah. Do you want to be dry? Yeah. Mostly I want to be dry.

Starting point is 01:16:07 Yeah. But a lot of people would be confused. They'd be like, yeah, mostly. I don't like it caught getting caught in the rain. I hate that. Oh, yeah. I would love dry actually. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:18 Yeah, I think I mean, I don't like water on my face. So dry. So like a dry face. But I don't like a dry shave because you can cut dry. Yeah. So like a dry face. But I don't like a dry shave because you can cut yourself. Yeah. So maybe wet. Wet shave.

Starting point is 01:16:30 Yeah. There should be a few stipulations. Yeah. Dry on the street. Wet in the shave. Yeah, that's right. Wet the sheets. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:38 Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hashtag worst boy. Folks, Matt's doing his big time research. I feel bad. Sorry I broughthtag most point. Folks Matt's doing his big time research. I feel bad. Sorry. I brought it up.

Starting point is 01:16:49 An amendment may be proposed by two thirds vote of both houses of Congress or if two thirds of the states request one by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three fourths of the state legislatures or three fourths of conventions called inatures or three fourths of conventions called in each state for ratification. So who goes to the conventions? I guess it's like probably nerds. Yeah, it'd be nerds.

Starting point is 01:17:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. See you there. So here's how the 18th Amendment reads. It's got three sections. Section one, after one year from the ratification of the article, the manufacturer sale or transportation of intoxicating liquors within the importation thereof into or the exportation thereof from the US. Nice covering all the bases.

Starting point is 01:17:38 That's good. And all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. So alcohol is still legal for cleaning and other things, but not for beverage purposes. But also they've got a window to get rid of it. So you've got one year. That must have been the drunkest year on record, right? People going wild. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:55 I think so, and probably a little bit, but people definitely stocked up if they had the millions. Yeah, that's right. Like stock your seller. Yeah, because you, it was not illegal to have it and to drink it in private property, but it was, you couldn't buy it. Yeah, right. So if you just found some, it was fine to have it. Yes. Yeah, right. Nice.

Starting point is 01:18:19 It's like a samurai sword. You just have it. I found it in the woods. So it's legal for me to have it actually. They call it the samurai sword loophole. That's right. Yeah. So they use the term intoxicating liquors and this was defined to be any substance that contained over 0.5% alcohol, which I believe is around what orange juice has. Oh, I think like every like, and they couldn't, I don't think they could even test it to be. Right, can't ban AJ. Yeah. So if-

Starting point is 01:18:50 I'm bloody ban AJ though, depending on how his edit goes. Yeah, which we'll never know because I don't think any of us will ever listen to it. So I'm like, oh man, I'm literally leaving it in your hands, AJ. But if anyone's hearing this bit, let me know that he is not doing a good job. If you can put it in the YouTube comments, yes or no. Section two, the Congress and several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. So saying it's, it's not, it's not going to be all us. This web States and federally, we're both going to,

Starting point is 01:19:25 um, be in charge of making this happen. And the third section said, this article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as amendment to the constitution by the legislatures of the several states as provided in the constitution within seven years from the date of the submission here for to the states by the Congress. I think it was the president or one of the key players at the time who didn't really want Prohibition agreed to this if that was put in because he was like, we're not going to get three quarters of the States agreeing to this. So that was his way of saying, kind of like the Brexit guy said, yeah, they'll never vote. We'll put it up to a vote, but they're never going to vote for Brexit.

Starting point is 01:20:05 Yeah, that'd be crazy. Crazy to do that. But then they did do that. They got the president. It was the remember the prime minister with the pig. Anyway, English people will remember what I'm talking about. Um, and, and, uh, like I was saying before, I'm going to come at the frog, uh, me and my, so both voted for, uh, Brexit and non-Brexit.

Starting point is 01:20:21 That's exactly right. They just let me come in. Yes. I know another guy, David Cameron. So the right. They just let me come in. Yeah. Another guy. David Cameron, so the one? I was avoiding that for liable stuff. Oh. Cause he f***ed up.

Starting point is 01:20:31 Oh. Allegedly. Yes. Actually I think that might, AJ, you're a lawyer. Please. But it's fine. We just, it's the samurai sword loophole. We just found that information.

Starting point is 01:20:42 Yes. So that's fine. We didn't say it. We did. So yeah, that seven years to win the support of the states and, and Well, that'll never happen. A lot of people like that don't have happened. It happened a bit over a year. So they needed at least 36 of the 48 states at the time.

Starting point is 01:21:00 And I think that's why they were saying the several states, because at the time there was still like more states popping up, you know, right. So I wouldn't say the 48 states. And then within a year, like, ah, man, man, if we found a couple more states real quick, we can probably get them to vote the way we want. So just add a few. Yeah. Drop below three quarters. You just bring it up to a hundred states. That's right. But my house is a state. Yeah. Batham's new state. They said no. And they got way over 36 of the 48. They got actually 46 states approved. Really?

Starting point is 01:21:28 So what are the two cool states? There's two cool states. And if you're from either of the cool states, yes or no in the comments. Connecticut and Rhode Island. I knew it. Oh yeah. They both had a cool vibe.

Starting point is 01:21:40 Are they near each other or is that? Yeah, I think they're both tucked up in that sort of northeastern. It feels like Vermont. Those fancy states. And they'd be like, well, we got a lot of money. Let us drink. Yeah. You know, I'm a big fan of Vermont. But I think it seems like in a lot of ways, if you had a lot of money, you played by your own rules anyway. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:22:00 Yeah. Though President Woodrow Wilson, man, whatever his name, I think I can hear the wind blow in the government. That'd be like WW is it Wayne Wheeler? Is it Woodrow Wilson? Who's the top dog? Yeah. Who's the number one WW, you know?

Starting point is 01:22:15 Yeah, it's probably Woodrow Wilson because I think that's how they decided it. WWE. That was the first WWE. Woodrow Wilson's coming in with a steel chair. Damn. Oh, Wayne Whe coming in with a steel chair. Damn. Wayne Wheeler's got some smashes and a hatchet. So yeah, Woodrow Wilson tended to be neither publicly wet or dry, which it seems like a lot of the presidents at the time were kind of like that.

Starting point is 01:22:40 He did veem. I'm whatever you guys are. Are you drunk? I'm drunk. I'm sober, man. Yeah. I was just trying to, I was just trying to be cool in front of those nerds. I'm actually really like you and nerd. Wait. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:56 He vetoed the act though. So he said, I don't want prohibition. According to Woodrow Wilson.org. This was due to his desire to protect the rights of citizens from improper legislation. Despite this, Wilson's largely technical civil liberties argument was of no matter to the House of Representatives who overrode his veto just two hours after receiving it. Oh, that's got to hurt.

Starting point is 01:23:18 I'm the most powerful man in the country. Shut up. Okay. Okay. According to Brown and Miller, Wilson appealed to Congress to pass the 19th amendment guaranteeing women's suffrage in 1915. Then in 1918, he's the president at the time. He's like, please.

Starting point is 01:23:34 Because he's like, I'm losing popularity a bit from all sorts of things. Things are going on. You know. But what if I let chicks vote? Yeah, but if chicks vote, this could help. And then as the clock ticked closer toward the March 1920 presidential election, he called Congress to a special session on the 20th. A special session.

Starting point is 01:23:53 A special session. Nice. Yeah, compression special session. Wind the windows up. You know it's serious when he's doing a special session. On the 21st of May, 1919, and the amendment was finally passed, but according to Brown and Miller, it was too late to save his career. For the following presidential election, the Democratic Party instead opted for the ticket

Starting point is 01:24:13 of Governor James M. Cox and Assistant Secretary of the Navy Franklin D. Roosevelt. I've heard of that guy. Yes, but probably not Cox. No, because he lost in a landslide to new Republican president Warren G. Harding. The G apparently stands for Gamaleo. Gamaleo. Wow. Okay. Beautiful name. Wow. Easy to say.

Starting point is 01:24:37 Beautiful name. Anyway, back to prohibition. But yeah, so Woodrow Wilson sort of, he was on the outs, but he did get, he got women to vote. Well, I say, I don't think it was all women. I think it was like, was it rich white women or? And also, you know, he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart or, or, or, or, or, you know,

Starting point is 01:24:59 a means to achieve equality. It's just like, well, it's another voter pool for me. My vote for me, actually, if I do it, actually. The Nineteenth Amendment in part says, the right of citizens of the US to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Not by sex, but I'm guessing still by race and stuff. I don't know. But this episode isn't about that.

Starting point is 01:25:27 That could be a whole different thing. We didn't even ask them. You asked yourself that. Just in the comments, say yes or no. We could wait into that another time. It just really we're not qualified, but we'll do it. Well, Wade versus Rowan to it. Oh, that's almost something I don't understand, but I think it was

Starting point is 01:25:43 smartest thing anyone ever heard you say. Do you think that was the smartest thing anyone's ever said? Yes or no in the comments. Sorry. And if I was barking up the wrong bush, yes or no in the comments. OK, so Harding, the new Presidente, he was a drinker, big drinker. Cool president. Yeah. But he was pretty pragmatic.

Starting point is 01:26:07 He voted against prohibition at one point before eventually voting for it when it was politically beneficial to him. But this didn't stop him from having a drink from then on. Because like I said, possession and consumption was still legal on private property. While you weren't allowed to purchase booze during prohibition, wealthy Americans stocked up on booze before the law came into place. Wow. And this is a lifetime of supply going. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:31 Harding brought a huge private collection with him to the White House. So it didn't really affect him or anyone who was rich who wanted to drink. And many of them are like, yeah, I agree. The working people shouldn't drink. Yeah, they shouldn't drink. Have you seen them drunk? They're awful. They're awful. Me, I'm good. I'm a fun drunk. My collar's clean and I've built a still in my house.

Starting point is 01:26:57 And yeah, this this whole idea of the wealthy, you know, kind of like one rule for us, another rule for you. Yeah, it's the only example, I think, in us, another rule for you. Yeah. It's the only example, I think, in history. I think it is. Yeah. I think it is. So, relaboration.

Starting point is 01:27:12 So, should we let it go just this one time? I think we should let it go. Yeah. Just this once. I think they probably learn their lesson. Yeah. Yeah. The rich.

Starting point is 01:27:18 Well, that's how we got to the point now where everyone is equal. That's so true, isn't it? Yeah. As Rorabauer writes, the class bias of Prohibition was extraordinary. The Yale club legally served pre-war alcohol to its members, but working class speakeasies were raided. The New York World newspaper said at the time, it makes for hypocrisy and class hatred. Louis Swift, the wealthy Chicago meatpacker, told a journalist that prohibition was good for the working class. As he was saying that he was holding a cocktail.

Starting point is 01:27:51 There it is. There we go. And I'll drink to that. Cheers. What a person. As a journalist, what class are you? You could share a drink with me unless you're working class, in which case you cannot. You know, after school, you're from a bloody Yale club would be involved somehow. Yale and Harvard and all those deaths, you know, have a drink on you, on you, on your kayak or whatever.

Starting point is 01:28:15 You know, it's fine. Cool. Actually, actually, yeah, really sick. Yeah. If you're a Yale alum, yes or no in the comments, right? You ever have a drink on a jet ski? I bet you would. Hashtag moist boys. There's no moisture place on the back of the wet jet ski.

Starting point is 01:28:33 That's right. I love the wet ski. The class. Hashtag wet ski. Thank you. The class bias also was mixed in with other bigotry. Caught in a rower bow, small town dryers cared only about the drinking of Catholic and Jewish immigrants and African-Americans who were either working class or poor. Wets were accordingly un-American and the Methodist board of Temporis stated, quote, If they do not like... I don't know if this rings any bells.

Starting point is 01:28:59 If they do not like the way things are being done, let them go back to Europe. Oh, gotcha. But they're saying this... the way things are being done, let them go back to Europe. Oh, gotcha. But they're saying that... I've never read similar phrasings on stickers on the back of vehicles. But what they're saying is they only care about making Jewish and these other groups not drink, are they happy to drink them, the Catholics are not happy to drink themselves, they don't care. Well, I think it seems like there's a little bit of hypocrisy going on. Like,

Starting point is 01:29:26 we don't think they should drink, we're drinking. But some of them were like full dedicated dryers who believed, you know, religiously that it's a moral to drink. It leads to all sorts of bad things. Like being less efficient at my factory. Right. Like being less efficient at my factory. That's right. So yeah, obviously the US is a big country and prohibition was welcomed in many different ways. A lot of people were happy, others were not in the big, the great big wet cities.

Starting point is 01:29:58 You know, they found it very different to the small towns like finally some sense going on at the buddy clowns up there on Capitol Hill. Mm hmm. But I like the picture or about paints of that beautiful big wet city. New York. God, it's so weird. He also like he also calls them just the great cities. Yeah, there's a great city.

Starting point is 01:30:22 Another great city. How great are these cities? I had a holiday there once. He's like, I've had a great time with my wife. My wife. So this is what he the picture he paints. January 16, 1920, the last day that Americans could legally buy a drink. In the great cities, revelers treated the evening like New Year's Eve.

Starting point is 01:30:40 Saloons, cafes, cabarets, dance halls, hotel bars and gourmet restaurants hung festive decorations, served special food and played music, while patrons ate, drank and danced. All evenings, celebrants downed glass after glass of their favourite and soon to be forbidden alcoholic beverages. No city turned out in greater force than did New York, which was often considered the wetter city on the continent. Yo, baby! As midnight approached, the band played, the patrons raised their glasses, ironically, to toast the beginning of dry America.

Starting point is 01:31:12 When the clock struck 12, drinkers downed their last drop of legal liquor, accompanied by cheers, jeers, whistles, and noise makers. Then celebrants looked at their empty glasses and called for another. In most places, waiters obliged. Their first and my last legal drink. And now my first illegal drink. But as pause for the ceremonial looking around and seeing if the cops are there or not. All right, another drink. They are also here drunk.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Honestly, I think, yeah, in certain cities, that's what it was like. They were being paid off with cash and booze. Booze, yeah. And I'll buy you a drink if I'm allowed to have another drink. I was's what it was like. They were, they were being paid off with cash and booze. I'll buy you a drink if I'm allowed to have another drink. All the drinks are right here. So Was it back then like the Irish New York cops was like a big standard thing, right? And the Irish apparently weren't, went pro prohibition, but New York city in general wasn't. But I like how he says this. How long did prohibition last in New York City in general wasn't. But I like how he says this, how long did prohibition last in New York? About two minutes or however long it took to obtain

Starting point is 01:32:10 a new glass. Bit of fun. So yeah, it was banned, booze, but it really did not go away. As Royal Brewer explains, whenever a substance is banned, two things happen. First, the prices go up and second, the product returns in a more concentrated form or replacement appears and I think that's how Constrated Cordial came about. That's true. Yeah. Used to be able to drink cordial straight out of the bottle. So we can now.

Starting point is 01:32:37 Cordial ban. I wouldn't dare. You'd die. A list of few. The Cotty's Act. It's abandoned for good. As well as Cotty's,. It's abandoned for good. As well as Cotty's, which I'm sure I mentioned in the book. I can't remember exactly the page, but he also talks about

Starting point is 01:32:52 when opium was opium was banned under the Harrison Act of 1914, that yielded heroin. Then the war against cocaine in the 1970s that produced crack and the prohibition of alcohol hole caused a shift from beer to hard liquor and also the substitution of opiates. You know that song that goes, my dad picks the fruit that goes to Cotty's to make Cotty like best. That was actually a deposition in court.

Starting point is 01:33:16 It was a witness statement. And there was a jingle at the back. I think there's something in this. And is the man you're talking about in this room right now. He's over there. So, yeah, the logic is that if you're if you're handling something illegal, you want to make sure you're getting bang for buck. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:36 So this became double alcohol. Yeah, you just you're like, I need if I'm transporting it around, I need it more condensed. I'm going to get caught. You know, it's worth the risk. Yeah, I mean, you see that, you know, even now and you know, when it's last drinks at the pub, somebody would be like, how can we get this three of us here? Can we get 12 beers? 12 just this last drink.

Starting point is 01:33:56 So we get 12. We'll knock them off real quick. Yeah. Or it's like, can you give me a quadruple whiskey? Just just just the one. Just the last one. That's fine. I'm only having one drink tonight. Can I have a jugruple whiskey. Just just just the one. Just the last one. That's fine. I'm only having one drink tonight. Can I have a jug of straight whiskey? Just the one. Just the one.

Starting point is 01:34:11 Haste made spirits, made much more financial sense to criminals and beer. And the spirits obviously weren't aging for 12 years, like they would with whiskey. Oh, they were banging them out as quickly as possible. Basically, they were making what would turn into a whiskey eventually. So a 12 minute old whiskey. That's right.

Starting point is 01:34:30 I think technically you might not be allowed to call it whiskey on the label. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is a little bit illegal to call this whiskey. It's probably illegal to call it anything actually. This Johnny Walker's was matured for the length of a deep breath. More like a Johnny Crawler. Rorabelle continues, in many parts of the country,

Starting point is 01:34:51 the illegal production of beer was problematic. The beverage spoiled quickly. It was too bulky to hide and hijacking of delivery trucks was common. Distilled spirit. There's a lot of photos of you can see photos of trucks being done. There's one pretty fun. I think they see photos of trucks being done. There's one it's pretty fun. They I think they only got done because they had a flat tire. No, it comes there and they're like, fuck, just like absolutely stacked with booze.

Starting point is 01:35:13 Like finally, we could bribe these guys with something that we had on us. Yeah, like, oh, we'll make you a deal. You can have some of this. We're taking all of it. And you're done anyway. So, yeah, distilled spirits were cheaper to produce, storage was easier, and the higher price per gallon for spirits helped compensate for the higher risk of the risk of handling the illegal substance. Beer existed during prohibition,

Starting point is 01:35:36 especially in New York, Chicago, and a few of the other great cities. But the standard drink was distilled spirits. Prohibition brought back the very liquor that the original temperance movement had despised. Just yeah, that's the main one of, well this is back for Hedonia, hasn't it? Yeah, whoops. We were back to really hard liquor and it's no longer regulated, so you probably lose your vision as well. And you're not making any tax money for the like the... Yeah, that's right. The government's not getting their, their Panda flesh or other anymore.

Starting point is 01:36:05 Just it's yeah. Guys with the benefit of hindsight, we have, we have seen some flaws in this temperance movement for you. It'd be very embarrassing for those folks. I'll tell you what. Yeah. Anyway, let's go buy some legal drugs. Hell yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:19 Oh, hang on. Oh, maybe there's a lesson in this. David, you were, you were an American. You're saying legal drugs are a lot more common over there as well, right? Yeah, it's in many states, marijuana is now a legal thing you actually buy from from shops. And you did probably. Yeah, but you're about 420 every day. 420 somewhere.

Starting point is 01:36:41 You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know if you get it, but it's pretty actually funny. I like it. In the comments, yes or no. So yeah, it did not take long for illegal operations to spring up. One example, Roar about gives is future Pulitzer Prize. I need to talk about the Harvard boys.

Starting point is 01:37:00 Oh yeah. Do you know Bernard Devoto? No, I don't know. I feel like him. He was a nonfiction writer. I know you're a fiction man, but he won the truth. He ended up winning a Pulitzer prize and he was like the go-to guy for the Harvard faculty driving liquor from Montreal through the back streets of Vermont and getting it to the Harvard campus. Oh, you see where he was on the truck.

Starting point is 01:37:26 Yeah. Okay. Hunter S Thompson, gonzo journalism there. Wow. Oh yeah. He's like the king of spring break. Yeah. That's right.

Starting point is 01:37:35 Surf's up team. Another example. We make a romcom, it's called Hopelessly Devoto to You. And he finds love on the back of that truck. But then in about about two thirds of the way through the movie, something that would have been fixed with a single sentence of communication. Yeah. Ends up breaking them apart before they realize their mistake

Starting point is 01:37:59 and get back together at the end. And can he be played by Danny Devoto? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I'd love to see Danny Devoto. I know you wouldn't have to because it'd be like, I'm 21! Because back then, you know, people looked like... People looked really old back then. I mean, I think he...

Starting point is 01:38:18 I'm gonna have it! Don't need a D.H. because he pre-aged. I think he's been about the same age for four years. I like this example. In 1920, a pilot landed a cargo of 18 cases of Canadian liquor at an airstrip near Des Moines, Iowa, and the pilot sold each case for 250 bucks, which is heaps of money, about six times the prohibition price. And he sold out in two hours and flew away before the police were even aware that he was there.

Starting point is 01:38:50 Not a bad deal. I imagine he just would have, he'd just be doing that back and forth. Yeah, he'd do it all day. You keep the engine running, you'd be seeing the cops just like, oh, that's right. And I think they were able to buy it for so much because they were going to own and sell it. Even more. Even, but what they would do is dilute it with dodgy stuff. Moonshine and what not.

Starting point is 01:39:10 What is Moonshine maybe you're asking? Maybe not my whole life. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, finally. That's all this has been about. Finally us learning the definition of Moonshine. Here we go. Let's lean in to this.

Starting point is 01:39:22 We waited for it to come to us. Naturally. So this is the writing of Senate Pay Rape Car for Britannica. He said, I love these other names. Moonshine's great, but what about Rotgut? White Lightning? White Dog? Or Corn Liquor? The last one probably needs work.

Starting point is 01:39:42 White Dog. Rotgut. Rotgut. Rotgut. Can I just get a couple liters of Rotgut? I'm worried about some of this moonshine blinding me, but I'm confident of Rotgut. I reckon that's probably good for me. Rekka writes, Moonshine is a term typically used to refer to illicitly distilled liquor. The word is derived from the notion of the liquor being made and distributed at night

Starting point is 01:40:08 under the cover of darkness. Makers of moonshine are called moonshiners. I wonder how they got to that. Rot gutters. Moonshine most commonly denotes clear. White doggers. White doggers. I think, I guess the white, light and white is cause it, you know, whiskey is normally quite brown

Starting point is 01:40:26 because it's been aged and it takes on the colors of the barrel and stuff. But this is clear because it just isn't aged at all. Someone just had a bath in it. It's just clear. Yeah. Made in copper or whatever. And yeah, it's basically the base spirit that becomes other spirits, but without any sort of regulations or checks being made on it and heaps of corn has been cut. So it would be gross anyway, but it's worse than that.

Starting point is 01:40:53 Yeah. It was called corn liquor because of all the corn has been cut. Yeah. It was initially corn cutter. Oh yeah. But it's also liquor. Maybe we can work that in as well. And they did do that. Nice.

Starting point is 01:41:07 And also the guy who made it used to lick a lot of corn. Chris corn licker. Rayco also talks about how moonshiners weren't necessarily fussed with quality control or the safety of their drinkers writing, distillers cut corners to speed up the fermentation and distillation processes, which led to a drop in the quality of the moonshine that sometimes did considerable harm to drinkers. Shoddy distillation processes, for example, can leave methanol in the liquor and consumption of methanol can cause blindness or death. Sometimes both, which I think all death causes blindness, which was a risk for drinkers during

Starting point is 01:41:42 the prohibition era. It was a scary time. You must really want to drink where you're like, oh, you're playing Russian roulette with every first time you've paid 20 times the price for it and it tastes awful and it could like kill you. Yeah. You, yeah. Mary, mix it up with some Ribena.

Starting point is 01:42:00 Straight. God, I need a drink. Yeah. Mixes. I'll talk about it soon. Mixes to become a drink. Yeah, mixes. I'll talk about it soon. Mixes did become very popular. That's right.

Starting point is 01:42:10 Mary Wozniak dubbed Moonshine Mary was convicted in the 1920s in Illinois for selling alcohol that killed a man. Moonshine was often made in car radiators, which could cause lead to leach into the liquor when it passed through drinker's bodies, bodies again potentially resulting in blindness or death. Lead to leach into the liquor. Wouldn't want to say that. If you're dying of alcohol poisoning, would you? So that's where he dumps us. You're at the hospital. What are you here for?

Starting point is 01:42:37 Leaching from the liquor. I think he wants us to put leeches on him. Let's do that. We're about to anyway so that works out well. So in a car radiator, these cars still operating. Yeah, I think that, you know, they're also delivering it. It's warm. Here it is. Hot toddies everyone. Straight out of the exhaust pipe.

Starting point is 01:43:00 Here we go. Cool. They're just serving up cool. Cool. Contaminators and microorganisms in moonshine cause health issues as well. Unsurprisingly, it also usually tasted pretty bad. One way this was overcome was adding something called Jamaican ginger extract, which was sold at the time as a medicine and contained a high level of ethanol.

Starting point is 01:43:21 Add more booze. All right. Great. Like 70 or 80%. Yeah. Great. And like none of this is regulated as well. So people saying, Oh, put Jake in it. Could be anything. You're making me blind over here. In slang, it was known as Jake. According to Aurora Bar, so it is named a few different ways. Much of what was sold as Jake was poisonous. It might kill or it could cripple the victim causing what was called Jake leg. I guess they just had a fun name for it.

Starting point is 01:43:47 Yeah, that's right. So a lot of people ended up with limps and stuff because of Jake. Oh my gosh. But it also killed a lot of people as well. In 1930 alone, 50,000 poor people in Kansas City, Oklahoma City and Cincinnati were paralyzed. 50,000 in those three cities. Can I just say, this is a controversial take. It's not worth it. No. Alcohol is not that good.

Starting point is 01:44:09 It's not that good. Well, no. It's not food or- But also, this alcohol is much worse than- Yeah, it's terrible. But being drunk, it's not that good. No. It's not worth it.

Starting point is 01:44:20 Maybe just, maybe get up early and look at a sunrise. You know? That's called cellar, right? That's just as good. I don't think they should have banned it. But also I would not be tempted a fraction by any of this shit. No, I'd be like, oh, well, I get it. Bearing in mind there was nothing else to do. That's why you've got internet. You know, that's true.

Starting point is 01:44:42 And also this booze is elongating your life. So right. So I mean, I'm drinking it risking shortening my life, but I'm also guaranteeing lengthening it. That's so true actually. At worst it evens out. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:44:58 Okay. That argument has won me over. Sarah Crocker for Grunge writes that bootleleggers attempts to make their alcohol palatable were uneven at best. Unscrupulous producers reportedly added toxic ingredients to mimic genuine flavors. Some of this is real gross. I give you a quick warning. Like rotten meat to make it smell, it tastes like bourbon.

Starting point is 01:45:17 Sure. All right. I like how they're like, they're obviously a people who are real connoisseurs of bourbon. You know what? It tastes like rotten connoisseurs of bourbon. You know what it tastes like rotten meat. Chuck some of this shit. You're there in front of your fireplace in your leather chair and there's like bits of ground beef floating in your glass.

Starting point is 01:45:34 You're like, oh. Still got the fancy glasses. I can't, like I'm not a whiskey drinker or any, I don't drink any straight spirits. I don't sip that kind of thing. I don't know if some people like that, but for me, they already taste pretty bad. So I can't imagine how bad the rotten meat version of bourbon tastes to sip. Well maybe to you it would be, you'd be like, yeah, it tastes a bit rotten. It's good actually, yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:56 Maybe the people doing it had your palate for it. Yeah, that's a bad right. That's disgusting, that's right. Right, just a little bit more rotten A little bit more wrong, mate. What do you think they would have used to get Scotch? Scottish people. Scotty dogs? Close.

Starting point is 01:46:11 Antiseptics. Oh, creams, balms. Oh, a cream, sure, yeah. Put a bit of cream in there. An unguent. Put a bit of cream in there. Yeah. Especially unlucky speakeasy patrons might end up drinking embalming fluid. So I guess if you're about to die, this is saving the embalmers for the time.

Starting point is 01:46:31 To master taste of less than ideal booze, many bartenders use mixes like juice or honey or a bean. I love this. I love that. Can he just hold the booze? Can I just get a drink of honey juice? Unlucky drinkers still face serious consequences. I mean, I'd almost be like, don't mask the bad taste will let me know how bad my internal organs are going. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:57 You want to know what you're in for? I'm always at the bar going, can I get a UDL, but can you strain out all the alcohol? I just would like a sort of a fantery drink please. You're talking about orange drink. Crocker says, some might endure frightening hallucinations. These are some of the serious consequences. Others would become dangerously ill and a significant number of Americans

Starting point is 01:47:16 died from tainted drinks. So yeah, it's like you say, it's hard to imagine people going out there and, but this is what an unregulated industry will do. And also, I know if Mason's all about, oh, cut red tape, cut red tape. Exactly. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:33 And you still agree. Yeah, that's right. But also, also during this era, a lot of people would just be killing over for no reason as well. So you'd just be like, was it the tainted booze that killed my mate over there or did he just die because he was 36? And working in a lead mine. Yeah, that's right. He was a lead taste tester.

Starting point is 01:47:51 That's right. He was a lead liquor. He was a lead liquor. According to Rorbaugh, another source of liquor throughout the 20s was industrial liquor. Okay. So solvents and so forth. Yes. And this was made legally. It was distilled legally by special federal permit in large quantities.

Starting point is 01:48:10 Alcohol was used in paint, in antifreeze and as a solvent in many mechanical processes. Production rose from 28 million gallons in 1920 to 81 million gallons. Yeah we're going to lubricate so much stuff. Yeah, in 125. Geez. Everything's so insolvent at this factory, we need to solve it. I need to paint this my house again. And again.

Starting point is 01:48:30 And again. Now that no one's drinking, the productivity has gone through the roof. So the drives are going, this is a good sign. See? Told you industry, gone up. It's working. When Chief Prohibition Enforcer Lincoln Andrews estimated that 90% of all bootleg liquor contained at least some denatured

Starting point is 01:48:51 industrial alcohol that was in 1925. So he's like if you're drinking moonshine or any sort of dodgy liquor it's probably got some sort of clean fluid in it. Which is how like people now talk about Australian, at least Australian, you know, party drugs and stuff. They're like, it's probably got some Draino in it. Right. Yeah. To prevent its use in beverages though, since the government stayed ahead of it, the government required the industry to add toxic chemicals to the alcohol.

Starting point is 01:49:20 No! Like, so it's already not good for you. Yeah. But they're like, they made the manufacturers, the producers make it even worse. Basically deadly. There's going to be a couple of rough weeks where people who are drinking are going to figure this out. But then after that, people are going to be fine. Yeah, we get over the hump. While most additives had a foul smell or taste, this was not always true.

Starting point is 01:49:44 Some industrial processes required tasteless and odorless poisons. Bootleg is often cut- Like making poison, like if you wanted to poison your husband or whatever, you're going to buy one of those tasteless odorless poisons only, obviously. And there was a huge industry for that back in the day. What a boom time for killing your husband. Yeah. Oh yeah, I think he was into the moonshine.

Starting point is 01:50:05 If we invented divorce by now, I wouldn't have to do this, but you're rotten and I'm going to poison you. Yeah. I don't have the vote and I don't have divorce, but I do have the poison. So they boot the bootleggers off and cut their own product by adding cheap industrial liquor, alcohol, I should say. It wasn't liquor. It was alcohol. own product by adding cheap industrial liquor, alcohol, I should say, it wasn't liquor, it

Starting point is 01:50:26 was alcohol. Cleaning the floors with a bottle of Havana club and rum. An illegal side industry developed in removing toxins. If they could be purged, then industrial alcohol might yield a big profit. There was also apparently some were, they're allowed to add the toxins in after. So there was this sort of dodgy side industry where they would, where they would sort of. Some would just walk out the door without having the toxins added in. Oh, just before they had. No, no. Yeah. Oh, they've gone missing.

Starting point is 01:50:56 Oh, but I really like the toxins. My favourite cocktails all have toxins in them. I kind of miss the toxins, to be honest. Rorabelle writes, Unfortunately, the amateur chemists sometimes produce deadly results. As injuries and deaths grew, so did the public outcry. So slowly people were turning on prohibition. Like this isn't solving any of the problems you said it would. It's making a lot of things worse, actually. The public outcry grew, but both the government and dry forces

Starting point is 01:51:23 wanted to punish drinkers for industrial alcohol. After several New Yorkers died and hundreds were sickened by bad liquor in late 1926, old mate Wayne Wheeler said, quote, the government is under no obligation to furnish the people with alcohol that is drinkable when the constitution prohibits it. The person who drinks this alcohol is a deliberate suicide. So he's like, yeah, they knew what they were doing. And he's like, and that's fine. Yeah, basically.

Starting point is 01:51:48 And that's the tea. And it didn't go, I mean, you know, the wets didn't love this, the vibe of, of old, old mate WW. The wet Senator Edward Edwards, I didn't notice that before. They had all names available this long time ago. And they chose the best one twice. Johnson John Edward Edwards. What was his name?

Starting point is 01:52:13 Senator Edward Edwards and Johnson John. So, yeah, Edward Edwards, a New Jersey Democrat senator, denounced the ASL lobbyist for condoning murder in his words. Wheeler's callousness fitted with the dry view that all alcohol was a poison anyway. In 1930, there were 625 deaths from bad alcohol in New York City. So people, like you say, and I'm totally with you, I wouldn't be drinking it, but they know that people are and they're just like, stuff them. That serves them right. Yeah. Which is, you know, I mean,

Starting point is 01:52:52 I think we've ever since there's been a different war on something where you see a similar kind of thing. People blame the, the people who are addicted to whatever. Mesa is one that does. But I blame everyone for everything. That's true. I can blame someone for something. I'll do it. You love blaming. Yeah, that's right. You love a portion of you for that. You led me to that. I was normal and then you were like, have you considered blaming everybody for everything? And I'm like, I will.

Starting point is 01:53:20 Yeah. Thanks for nothing, Matt. Well, honestly, I didn't, I didn't think it through. Yeah. That, that, Matt. Well, honestly, I didn't I didn't think it through. Yeah. That that that was on that. You and Dave, because he's supposed to be the voice of reason. He is. Yeah. I'm supposed to be. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:34 Yeah. Thanks a lot, Dave. God, you're welcome. You were steering out of the very same city as us when I was having a quiet conversation with my son. He did nothing to stop it. That's a real non-miso act. And I'm a coward.

Starting point is 01:53:47 Prohibition had so many unintended consequences, but perhaps the most surprising to me was that it helped create NASCAR racing. OK, yeah. I mean, you got to get a Frankie Muniz reference in here. He loves racing a little car or whatever. Well, if it wasn't for Prohibition, we wouldn't have had Frankie. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. He might actually race NASCAR might be a different, different

Starting point is 01:54:11 category of race cars. The spirit is there. The spirit is there. Yeah, that's right. Yes. For history.com, Christopher Klein writes NASCAR Hall of Fame at Junior Johnson first discovered. Junior Johnson, Junior Johnson, Junior. That's his son. Junior Johnson, Senior Junior Johnson, Junior Junior Johnson, first discovered Junior Johnson, Junior Johnson, Junior, Junior Johnson, Junior

Starting point is 01:54:29 Johnson, JJ first discovered his talent behind the wheel while running moonshine as a teen, saying we said much later in 1990, he was quite an old man at that point. Moonshining was part of my growing up, but it was also part of my training in auto racing. Being in that business, you had to have a very fast car and you had to be able to outrun the revenuers or highway patrol or sheriff or whoever tried to pursue you. And you had to be able to drive around and around and around in circles. That's really quick. At first I had to get used to the fact that I wasn't picking up any big crates of stuff

Starting point is 01:55:03 on the track. So I would slow down and they'd be like, keep going. You're not picking up booze. Junior. Yeah, pit stops. That was his specialty. That's right. Yeah, prohibition era.

Starting point is 01:55:14 Drivers transporting moonshine from rural areas or also illegally importing booze from Canada. Had to make change their vehicles to allude to the authorities. Every other country was fine at this point. No other country cared about prohibition. reporting boots from Canada had to make change their vehicles to leave the authority. Every other country was fine at this point. No other country cared about. I think others did, but yeah. Canada was like, no. Certainly Montreal was for, I think some areas of Canada might've been dry as well.

Starting point is 01:55:36 Mexico wasn't. So people were. Viva la Mexico. Yeah. Texas had a hard time keeping the tequila out. I read a New York Times article which talked about it and it said tequila in brackets, a popular liquor in Mexico. I'm like, isn't that amazing?

Starting point is 01:55:54 A hundred years ago, Americans had to have tequila explained to them. But then I remember the 1990s ad campaign for tacos. What's a tacos? What's a tacos? tacos. What's a tacos? What's a tacos? What the hell's a tacos? Hey, hey you, what's a tacos? No, it was what's a burrito? What's a burrito?

Starting point is 01:56:15 Burrito? The burrito, bros? Or a hit band back in the 60s? Great ad. Great ad. But so funny to think that 30 years ago, the show's like, what the hell are you talking about? Anyway, back to Klein's writing here. They're figuring out how to drive fast down

Starting point is 01:56:34 tough roads because they're running booze. Johnson later told the BBC, if it hadn't been for whiskey, NASCAR wouldn't have been formed. That's a fact. They also talk about how Ford was a big dry man. Henry Ford. Oh yeah, that's right. And so they thought it was a bit of fun that the... The Kellogg's guy was against wanking. Unrelated, but I just, you know. It's just something that's important.

Starting point is 01:57:03 Yeah, yeah. Don't you have Henry Ford and the Kellogg's guy around the world? It would be a little different, wouldn't it? I think know, it's just something. It's important to make a Henry Ford and the Gallagher's guy around the world. A little different. Wouldn't I get to go a little something? It's okay. There's another driver. The cornflakes are no thank you. And I won't today.

Starting point is 01:57:16 That's the play. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So apparently the, the, the booze runners, these drivers found the best cars were Ford's V8s. Hell yeah. So they were the ones nearly all of them used to run booze, which should have been a bit

Starting point is 01:57:34 of fun. You're dry. Why are you making such great cars to drive booze around in there? Why are you hitting yourself, Henry? Why are you hitting yourself? As Klein continues, with relative ease, mechanics could soup up their Ford V8s to gain a few extra miles per hour of speed,

Starting point is 01:57:50 which could make all the difference in car chases. To further elude revenue agents and the police, bootleggers tricked out their cars with features that seemed to be straight out of a spy movie or a Looney Tunes cartoon. Oil slick. Nails. Yes.

Starting point is 01:58:04 No. They had devices that with the press of a button could release smoke screens, oil slicks, and even button bucket loads of tax to puncture the tires. What? Hell yeah. That's the best. Nice. I'm like, Oh, they're so creative at loony tunes. No, they're just ripping off real life.

Starting point is 01:58:19 Wow. Do they have a James Bond ejector seat? Yes. If the guy in the passenger seat's like, you know, I'm not so sure about this big legging anymore. Well, see you later. And then an Acme big boy falls on his head and he becomes an accordion. During the 1930s, moonshiners began to race their whiskey cars at local fairgrounds and

Starting point is 01:58:42 racetracks where they discovered that people, tens of thousands of them were willing to pay to Watch them showcase their driving skills Sometimes tens of thousands, sometimes six guys Sometimes tens of thousands Look there's tens of thousands of people there where they come from Oil slick, oil slick Are they doing like Mario Kart style racing with little weapons like trying to take each other out Green shell, green shell, do the green shell.

Starting point is 01:59:08 Toad was the first NASCAR champion. Not a lot of people know that. Yeah, so long story short. Long story short, this all developed into NASCAR racing. That's awesome. Apparently, I think there was a bit of a split where the guy, like a lot of the people involved continue to have a side businesses. So they still love making moonshine and stuff, even after prohibition. But there was a bit of a split decades and decades ago where the guy running,

Starting point is 01:59:38 it's like started denying that background. Clean it up for the family. But now they're sort of a, they're talking about it a little bit more. You can read about on their website. It's a bit of a cheeky thing now, not a dodgy thing. Yes. So long ago, bit of fun. Yeah. I think it adds to the myth of it all. Um, so yeah, like we were saying, may so a lot of other countries you could go to and drink. Oh hell yeah. Um, like Mexico,

Starting point is 02:00:04 Americans would go on boozy holidays south of the border. And if they were heading somewhere like the UK via ship, the drinking could start straight away. Oh, international waters. Yeah, nice. Going to Royal Bower, passengers and crew drank while crossing the Atlantic. But then the Treasury Department declared that no ship that docked in the US could carry alcohol inside the three mile limit, which meant you can't carry it. If you're going to dock there, you can't have it at all. So they're like, put it on a little dinghy and leave it out in the ocean and then somebody can come and steal your dinghy.

Starting point is 02:00:36 A little buoy. Or is it a little challenge is like, you have to drink it all by the time you get there. Yeah, that's what I was saying, last drinks. Sorry guys, last drinks with five miles from shore. We cannot approach the United States if any alcohol is left on the ship. We're circling the block. And that's how NASCAR was. So there were diplomatic protests and the State Department then allowed foreign ships

Starting point is 02:01:03 to enter American waters with alcohol on board, as long as it was all locked up. American ships, however, had to be bone dry, which I don't know if you guessed what this led to. Basically the crushing of the American travel industry. Oh, because everyone's like, well, I'm going to, I'm going to travel with the English company. That's way cooler. Yeah. Imagine you're on an American ship in the harbor and you're like sitting there with your, your glass of water or whatever. And then the British ship goes the other way and everybody's just booze in. The moon in you. Yeah, that's the moonshine of you.

Starting point is 02:01:35 Yeah. I know, I know actually like legitimate booze as well. Yeah. It would be the good stuff. Yeah. It won't kill you. Yeah. Exactly. We're all alive. Hey, Jack lives here. Woo. I'm still drinking. What's this? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:01:56 So yeah, the American, the sail ships just really struggled for business and they tried vainly to win people. We don't have booze, but we're putting on, we've got some games. Wayne Newton. We're bringing out some games. We've got Wayne here. Is that when they started doing stuff like putting roller coasters and water slides on because they needed something? We've got Pitbull, Mr. Worldwide, he's going to perform on the ship. Boats were also used to import booze illegally,

Starting point is 02:02:28 as Royber explains, Canadian liquor often arrived at anchored ships just outside that three mile radius. Oh, yeah. And they were able to unload the boats in broad daylight. And the, you know, the US Coast Guard wouldn't be able to do anything about it. They're just on the other side of an invisible line. And I know why they're unloading it, but they can't do anything about it until they cross that line. So then under the cover of darkness, speedboats would then dart off delivering it to the shore. And as Roy Bauer writes, offloadings were completed in minutes and the speedbo boats reached shore long before the Coast

Starting point is 02:03:05 Guard could do so and this was not an accident. The bootleggers had used public records to find out where the Coast Guard vessels had been built. They had gone to these shipyards and studied the blueprints and then they had commissioned the same shipyards to build boats that were faster. Nice, I want that but better. That's incredible. Oh yeah, why bother with the blueprints? You know that one you did for the Coast Guard? Can you give us a fast one? But paint it red.

Starting point is 02:03:27 Yeah. It'll be faster. In 1925, the Prohibition Bureau estimated that only 5% of the liquor illegally entering the United States was stopped. So a lot was still getting through. And that was the safest stuff to drink. Yeah. Just I guess the people that manufactured cruise ships just switched to,

Starting point is 02:03:48 to speed boats. Like they destroyed the cruise ship industry, but it, but, uh, yeah, the speed, the rum runners, the speedboat guys. Yeah. And we're disruptors. Yeah, that's right. Hey, isn't this celebrated here in America? Uh, Royal Bbaugh continues. The most famous rum runner was Bill McCoy, who refused to cut liquor, uh, and he's diet on his exercise routine, honored business arrangements and he never cheated. His quality goods were labeled the real McCoy, a brand of higher reputation and premium at a premium price.

Starting point is 02:04:23 It's the expression. So that's one of the theories. But there are about 12 theories. Oh, different McCoys, even McKays. Yeah, you know, other names like the real McCain's peas and corn. I.O. What was that slogan? I.O. McCain's. You've done it again.

Starting point is 02:04:41 Yes. I.O. McCain. What does that mean in your mind? I am a cane. I thought it was a pirate mascot. Can you dog? You've done it again. I can't deny.

Starting point is 02:04:53 I'll kill you, dog. You've done it again. I'm special this week. Coles red spot special. And it wasn't just cows and boats that we used to transport booze. This story was brought to my attention by a listener, Tori McCleskey, who wrote, that's a rum runner's name. The real McCleskey. Yeah. McCleskey, the real McCleskey writes during American prohibition, Texas ranges were infuriated by a donkey. Someone had trained to continually

Starting point is 02:05:23 find its way home to Texas after they loaded it with rum in Mexico. Without a human bootlegger present they couldn't charge the donkey and the smuggling continued. That's what we call airbud rules. There's no rule in here that says a donkey. Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you?

Starting point is 02:05:50 Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you?

Starting point is 02:05:58 Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? Don't you? that. So I apologize that we've just very briefly gone on it and I've just read out your exact words, but I thought too much fun to leave out. That's so fun.

Starting point is 02:06:08 But yeah, if we're going to talk about prohibition and we are, and I think we, in some ways we have already- We are going to get to it. We are going to get to it. Yeah, that's a big lead up here guys. I think we've got to talk about organized crime. Two things are synonymous. And did you know the first one really produced the second one? If it wasn't for prohibition, organized crime in America wouldn't have really come about. We wouldn't get a award winning TV show, The Sopranos. Exactly.

Starting point is 02:06:31 It was very inorganized. So it feels like it was probably worth it. Yeah, I think it's absolutely worth it. He's depressed. You can see us out there. That's amazing television, you know? That time they go to kill that Russian guy in the woods and they get cold. What an episode.

Starting point is 02:06:44 Remember that one? Yeah. Great. Worth it. Left it a loose end. Yeah. Worth it for those 50,000 people that died in Kansas or whatever for poison booze. Worth it. Worth it. I agree. Yeah, me too. I agree with that little bit about it. Dave Ruse writes this for history.com. The term organized crime didn't really exist in the United States before Prohibition. Criminal gangs had run amok in American cities since the late 19th century, but they were mostly bands of street thugs running small-time extortion and loan sharking rackets in predominantly ethnic, Italian, Jewish, Irish, and Polish neighborhoods. In fact, before the passing of the 18th amendment in 1919,

Starting point is 02:07:28 it wasn't the mobsters who ran the most organized criminal schemes in America, but corrupt political bosses. It's more like disorganized crime. This is according to Howard Abadinsky, a criminal justice professor at St. John's university, who wrote a book called Organized Crime. But the underworld. Oh, great title.

Starting point is 02:07:52 How long did it take you to think that one up? But what's it about? What's it about, mate? It doesn't describe it. You dumbass. You dumbass. Professor St. John. I tell you what, Howard Abadinsky was really having a nice time listening to this episode

Starting point is 02:08:08 until the moment. The first two hours were really nice. Ruse continues, the underworld power dynamic shifted dramatically with the onset of Prohibition with legitimate bars and breweries out of business. Someone had to step in to fuel the substantial thirst of the roaring twenties and no one was better equipped than the mobsters. The key to running a successful bootlegging operation, Aberdinsky explains number one. Yeah, one of those cars with the running board on the side and a guy could

Starting point is 02:08:36 stand on the running board. That's number two. He had a Tommy gun. Number three. Yeah, nice. Hell yeah. Number four, Aberdinsky says paramilitary organization. At first the street gangs didn't know a thing about business, but they knew how to handle a gun, Tommy gun, and how to intimidate the competition. I've got a Tommy gun and I'll use it on you. I'm not afraid to use it. That's right. I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid. That's right. I do it right now. Certainly not fear that. I don't feel like it. I just don't feel like it. Otherwise I would. Yeah. You'd be dead already. Yeah. Certainly not fear that. I don't feel like it. I just don't feel like it. Otherwise I would. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:09:09 You'd be dead already. Yeah. So just think about that. Big bullets. All right. I'm going now, but just remember what I talked about. Heaps of bullets, heaps of them. I've got heaps. I can shoot you with it and then I'd have more bullets later for another guy. Easily. Yeah. Yeah. So just, yeah. Keep that in mind. Yeah. All right. Well anyway, good to see you. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. Good that in mind. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, good to see you. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. They could protect illegal breweries. This is the mobsters and run running operations from rival gangs, provide security for speakeasies and pay off nosy cops or politicians to look the other way. Wasn't long before the mobsters were raking in absurd amounts of money and it was bosses and

Starting point is 02:09:41 cops who were taking the orders. Things had flipped. Suddenly gang leaders are making deals with each other says Abadinsky forging mutual protection packs across state and international borders and across ethnic lines to ensure that shipments of illegal alcohol poured freely into the big cities. These are very violent people who are used to solving problems by killing them and they're not afraid to do it. Oh no, my heater's broken. I'll kill it. You're dead, Heta. I've warned you once, Dakin.

Starting point is 02:10:10 This is your last chance. I'm going to invert you from alive to dead. But eventually they all sat down and said, we'll guarantee peace in your area if you guarantee peace in our area. Organized guarantee peace in our area, organized crime. In the absence of Prohibition, it's actually a beautiful thing. It is a beautiful thing. In the absence of Prohibition, he said, we wouldn't have had the kind of syndicated criminality that occurred.

Starting point is 02:10:37 Prohibition was the catalyst. They're still with Ruse in the 1920s. Charles Lucky Luciano. Did you talk about him in that place? The five families. He's one of the founder, the Luciano family's founded by him, right? Yeah, he brought together some of New York's biggest Italian and Jewish mobsters to dominate

Starting point is 02:10:52 the city's bootlegging business. In Chicago, Johnny Torio kept a fragile piece between his Italian run bootlegging operation in the city's South side, and the Irish and Polish gangs work in the North side. But it didn't last. By the time Torio's protege Al Capone took over Alfonso Caponcino. That's right. He came from New York and really like very quickly started dominating Chicago.

Starting point is 02:11:15 He's like the main guy. There ended up being an all out turf war and then in the infamous St. Valentine's Day massacre of 1929 Capone's men dressed as police officers, or some of them did, and they gunned down seven of the rival gangs, henchmen. I think a couple of them were just, unluckily there at the time. Or some dressed as police officers, some were dressed as a builder. Yes. Native American, there we go.

Starting point is 02:11:37 It was the village people. Construction guy, police guy. The St. Valentine, the full title,. Valentine's Day, YMCA. I'm not going to go into the Melbourne Capone anymore than that because obviously this is already a huge episode and they're all there. Flat top, little face, mumbles, prune face. Yes. Dick Tracy, all those guys.

Starting point is 02:12:01 I remember all of them, not Dick Tracy. Yeah. But yeah, love to do Al Capone one day. That feels like a block topping in itself. Tracy, all those guys. I remember all of them, not Dick Tracy. Yeah. Um, but yeah, love to do Al Capone one day. That feels like a block topic in itself. Yeah. A lot of people suggested, I think, and it was actually, it didn't quite win the vote, but I feel like rather than just doing a few paragraphs on Al Capone, we'll save him for his own topic.

Starting point is 02:12:18 And, and the untouchables will probably be brought into that as well, which is linked into this, but we'll just save all of that on the side. Cause if we didn't get the untouchables, we wouldn't have got water world. That's true. Well, yeah, it's all worth it. One of the biggest wets of all. Oh my God. They are so wet.

Starting point is 02:12:40 They are so wet. They're always wet. They're like this sucks. I'm too wet. Yes. Yeah. So they are so always wet. They're like, this sucks. I'm too wet. Yes. Yeah. That's a little bit of dry.

Starting point is 02:12:48 Honestly, the, the alternative reality where the wet swan out. It's actually too wet. That was the slogan for that movie. This is actually too wet. This is what you wanted. Huh? We're stopping. We're stopping.

Starting point is 02:13:03 I can't get drunk. I've been drunk years. During Prohibition, there was no shortage of places to drink, the safest of which was the home. Is that the name of a bar? Yeah, everyone knew your name there. At home. That's because it's just your wife and kids.

Starting point is 02:13:19 I'd be sad if they didn't know your name. According to Rorabelle, this led to the invention of the home cocktail party. He writes hostesses issued written invitations and dress was often formal. Cocktails were modern and sophisticated, but obviously mixed often with disgusting. I get an old fashioned with a whiskey with some meat in it, please. Absolutely. You can. That is the only option. We got heaps of that. Yeah. It's right. Is that OK?

Starting point is 02:13:44 Because of it? Oh, yeah. That must the only option. We got heaps of that. Yeah. It's rotting. Is that OK? Because of it. Oh, yeah. That must the taste of everything else. We've got the rotting horse flesh juice. It's fantastic. Because of the mediocre bootleg spirits, they had to be cut with a mixer to be palatable. Not enjoyable.

Starting point is 02:13:58 Palatable. The hostesses prepared cocktails in the kitchen and then passed them around the living room on a tray. Men drank martinis in Manhattan's, while women took sweeter drinks such as gin fizzes and lime rickies. I don't know what a lime rickie is but I freaking love the name. That's the only reason I put that sentence in there. Guys, let's get lime rickies after this. Let's go to a local Brunswick bar and be like, three lime rickies please.

Starting point is 02:14:19 And they'll be like, what? What are you talking about? You know, we could find the right guy that would, that would make his day though. Absolutely. Yeah. A lime Rick, three lime Rickies. Oh my God. He'd clang a little bell and be like, lime Rickies on deck. Let's go. And a, and a, a line building up behind us of just pealing off. I just want to be in Harlem. Another kind of private event became popular rent parties to. To gain entry, guests would pay a fee. They could then eat and drink and dance while the tenant earned enough to

Starting point is 02:14:51 pay the rent. These are, I think these were particularly big in the black communities. It was like one of the places where white people wouldn't be gained entrance because there was so much of a higher chance that they were narcs. Yeah, that makes sense. No, I'm a good one, I swear. There were nearly, there were very, very few black agents in the Prohibition forces or whatever. And New York, during Prohibition, New York state voted that they were going to stop like enforcing the law. So only the federal people in New York did it. And there were only like a couple of hundred of them. So it was pretty much pretty much free.

Starting point is 02:15:31 So it's pretty obvious who the NARCS were when they came in. Hey, guys, we're here for the cool, cool party. Let us in. We playing some jazz tonight. Yeah. Oh, I love drinking. We got a Wade Newton on the stereo. I love Morgan Buble. Depending, we've got Wade Newton on the stereo. I love Michael Buble. Depending on where you were in the country, the supposedly underground drinking culture was quite avert. Roebuck continues...

Starting point is 02:15:53 Folks, Dave's taking his wedding ring off. I didn't want to say anything. So he's getting ready for that lime ricky. One low alcohol lime ricky. Things are getting wild in here. Low alcohol, lime, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky. According to Rorbaugh, the New Yorker even published street prices for alcohol as well as recipes for mixed drinks. Fashionable stores sold serving trays, cocktail shakers and tall highball glasses. These trays for putting your Bible on, don't even worry about it.

Starting point is 02:16:20 What are you going to use that for? What's that chain of stoner shops? Off your tree. Off your tree. It's just like cells. It's all bongs. No, that's a plant holder. It's a vase.

Starting point is 02:16:32 That's to put your breakfast smoothie in. That's for your protein shakes. Yep, that's right. Yeah, it seems like there were loopholes everywhere for the Smithsonian. Megan Gambino writes, during Prohibition Gambino, is that a big name? Is that a crime? That's a. Yeah, it seems like there were loopholes everywhere for the Smithsonian. Megan Gambino writes during Prohibition Gambino was that a big name? Is that a crime? I think that's a crime name. That's a crime name.

Starting point is 02:16:51 Oh, well Gambino writes. And maybe a type of pizza as well. Yeah. Well, this one's a historian and she writes during Prohibition, the US Treasury Department authorised physicians to write prescriptions for medicinal alcohol. This is quite similar to marijuana in Australia at the moment. I have anxiety. I need an old fashioned.

Starting point is 02:17:11 Thank you. Well, that's literally they get prescriptions for whiskey and beer. Licensed doctors with pads of government issued prescription forms advise their patients to take regular doses of hooch to st save off a number of ailments, cancer, indigestion, and depression amongst them. Presumably doctors were doing examinations and diagnoses, but it was mostly bogus says Daniel O'Krent, author of Last Call, The Rise and Fall of Prohibition. This is one of the Bibles of Prohibition.

Starting point is 02:17:43 Every 10 days, patients willing to pay about $3 for a prescription and other three or four bucks to have it filled could get a pint of booze. There may have been some people who were being prescribed because there was a perceived medical need, but it was really a way for some physicians and pharmacists to make a few extra bucks, he says. Rorabout continues, these prescriptions turned drug stores into liquor stores. In 1916, Charles Walgreen, this is a big chain. Walgreens, yeah. Well, he owned nine pharmacies before Prohibition, but by the end of the 20s, he operated 525. So Prohibition really kicked off Walgreens as a chain. I wonder if that's on the Walgreens website.

Starting point is 02:18:26 Legal alcohol profits enabled him to expand the empire quickly. Gambino writes, the National Prohibition Act, which enforced the ban, also allowed farmers to produce wine for their own consumption and priests, ministers, and rabbis to serve it during religious ceremonies. So as Rorach Bauer writes, if you knew a rabbi or Catholic priest, real or fake, you might have someone who might provide wine in return for a contribution. You know, we'll make a little donation to the church. You give us a bottle of Plonk. The homemade wine loophole is pretty fun as well, as Rohrabauer continues.

Starting point is 02:18:58 A head of household could legally ferment up to 200 gallons of fruit juice a year to 200 gallons a family for family use. Grape juice. It's for my family. It's just for my family. This is for my kids. I've got some thirsty kids. They are their juice. So all you needed was grape juice, sugar and yeast. And California producers would ship grapes to make wine, but they also dried grapes and pressed them into bricks and sold them to make reconstituted grape juice.

Starting point is 02:19:27 That's right. You could buy grape bricks. They became very popular. Raw Bower Rides. I'd love that. Just the biggest sultani you've ever seen. This is what the knife and fork is. Like a meatloaf, a meatloaf that's a grape. You'll have a grape sandwich.

Starting point is 02:19:50 So they came with instructions to add water to make juice, but warned that sugar and yeast would create an alcoholic beverage. Bricksail sword. Don't do this. We're telling you this so you know what not to do. And definitely don't leave it for this many days and check on it this many times a week. And store it in a cellar at this temperature. Because if you accidentally do that you might accidentally create alcohol.

Starting point is 02:20:13 At about 13%. The web editor Arthur Brisbane promoted the bricks in print writing, quote, the grape growers are not held responsible for the laws of nature, which seem to have no sympathy for prohibition and turn innocent grape juice into wine. Exactly. It's nature. It's natural. It's natural. Natural. Are you anti nature? No, no, I'm pro nature.

Starting point is 02:20:37 I'm pro nature, actually. Yeah, we haven't talked about the Krikok clan yet. OK, we were required to every time the boys get together. We gotta talk about that KKK. Why do I dress like this? That's exactly right. Smart casual. The Ku Klux Klan were apparently concerned about lax enforcement of prohibition.

Starting point is 02:20:56 Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, the dryers are the dryers, the KKK. As Royal Bower writes, the Klan invaded Carol County to impose its own peculiar form of law and order. One Ku Kluxer explained that an excellent way to obtain liquor was to seize it by marauding with the clan. Hey guys, you want to do a marauder? I'm thirsty.

Starting point is 02:21:15 Let's go maraud. In many parts of the US, the clan attacked distilleries or wet shipments. If local officials cannot enforce law about one clan leader and Methodist minister in Denver, Colorado. Love that. That's the same person. We should teach them how the Indiana clans magazine, the fiery cross promised the clan is going to drive bootlegging out of this land. And also if you could subscribe to our magazine, that would be terrific. Sold in all good news agencies. That's right. Or bodegas. What's new in new? Typically, I don't think what's new sells the Ku Klux Klan magazine.

Starting point is 02:21:50 I just want to be clear about that. They just sell those vases. They do, yeah. They do sell those vases. This is a vase shop. Yeah, we've got a few vase shop chains in our way. In Williamson County, Illinois, the Federal Prohibition Bureau agent in charge deputized hundreds of clansmen from neighboring counties to assist in a series of simultaneous raids. The resulting deadly mayhem led higher ups in the Prohibition Bureau to replace the head agent.

Starting point is 02:22:16 Weed, he lost his job over that, recruiting heaps of clan members to go on a rampage officially for prohibition. That is wild. I wouldn't have been surprised if that paragraph ended in promotion. Thankfully they did step in. I think there should be heaps of clan members, but like not in that way. Should be a big open grave. Yeah. In a way.

Starting point is 02:22:41 I hate to tell you this, most of our audience are clan. That one is not true. I don't think that actually isn't tracked by a cast. But people keep emailing it in. They're like as a clan member, keep it up boys. As a clan member. Yeah. Yes or no in the comments. It's going to start to get confusing what you're answering now.

Starting point is 02:23:04 President Harding died of a heart attack in 1923 and VP. Probably had no boots. Boos. Yeah. Had enough boots. Had enough boots. I've had a lot of boots. That's just why I'm like this.

Starting point is 02:23:14 Yeah, we had a, well, you wouldn't know this is, but we had about a three hour break and we've all had a lot of lime Ricky. Wow. I've had a little too much Ricky. I've had a gallon of Ricky. We are not getting scurvy fellas, I tell you that much. I told mine to hold the line. I'll just get a get a jug of Ricky, please.

Starting point is 02:23:35 A big jug of Richard, please. Yeah, I'm not on I'm not on nickname basis. It's just a jug of Richard, please. Juggadick. President Harding died of a heart attack in 1923 and VP Calvin Coolidge took over. Cool Cal. Cool Cal. The following year he ran for reelection or first time for election, but you know what I mean? Because he's acting president. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the promise to improve prohibition enforcement. So he was like, yeah, I'm doing it. I don't think he was, maybe his heart wasn't really in it.

Starting point is 02:24:07 Didn't say why any of the presidents were necessarily right. Cause I was just like, whatever you want me to say, you want me to do everything. You want to hear this? As far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Cause it's like, probably you still sort of like prohibition, but you're just like, Oh, you're not really enacting it well. Well, I'll enforce it better.

Starting point is 02:24:22 And I guess if we're going to do it, we may as well do it properly. And he won in part because the Democratic Party was bitterly divided between wets and dries. They split their own party. They had a dry guy and a wet guy and yeah, they couldn't figure out which way to go. They could have been a bunch of moist boys, which is the perfect position to be in. Exactly. But they couldn't make that compromise. They were too proud. They just they could have been they could have been a bunch of moist boys, which is the perfect position to be in. They couldn't make that compromise.

Starting point is 02:24:46 They were too proud. If I spoke of that democratic thing, I would have said something like, shouldn't we go with the side the clan isn't on? You know, it's a bit of a rule of thumb. Some of us like the clan, though. Oh, I didn't want to know that about my party. The party split again.

Starting point is 02:25:04 A lot of us are in the clan actually, to be H. Yeah, yeah, because Democrats were the, were they the press? It was a big switcheroo at some point. I'm not sure when. Yeah, Lincoln was Republican. He was the anti-slave guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:25:19 I'm a bit of an expert on history. Specifically, American history is where finding elements of... We all know our stuff. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I don't, he got, he got back in landslide, but I don't think it really improved all that much. Coolidge didn't end up seeing another term. Instead, another, another president I've heard of, Herbert Hoover ran. Oh yeah. For the Republicans. He won in a landslide. Hoover was apparently pretty neutral on Prohibition, but it was part of his party's platform. So he put out a statement, which is often sort of used in reference to Prohibition. He called it a great social and economic experiment, noble in motive,

Starting point is 02:25:56 and far reaching in purpose. So people sometimes call it the noble experiment, stuff like that. You hear, I guess pejoratively, maybe. I'd call the no balls experiment. I'm pretty sure there's a bar in Melbourne called the noble experiment. Yeah. And that, I guess that's what it's a reference to. Kind of trying to wrap it up there being like, guys, this was a good idea. Your heart was in the right place. It hasn't really worked out.

Starting point is 02:26:21 So let's just get real good on you. Yes. Good on you. You just check in the breeze. It hasn't really worked out, so let's just get real good on you. Yes. Good on you. I don't know if you noticed this. Checking the breeze. Checking away the wind. I don't know if you noticed this, but millions of people are still drinking and they're laughing at you. Yes.

Starting point is 02:26:31 And we're not making any income from the tax. They're still spending more. It's more expensive, but we're not getting a cut of it. And it's worse and people are dying. Look, I think in every single possible way the taste is worse. Name me a positive. I've been thinking out loud here and I think maybe we should change the name to the stupid experiment for stupid. Yeah, all the rest of the quote is, and I was being sarcastic.

Starting point is 02:26:59 Duh duh duh. Nah. It's opposite day in Congress. So during his term, public opposition to prohibition grew and more and more people seem to flout the laws. I've mentioned speak easy. I love flattin' the law, I tell you. Ah, flattin' the law. That's right.

Starting point is 02:27:16 Flattin' the law. Flattin' the law. You know. That's good. That's okay. You won't know this, but we just had another three hour break. We went out flattin' the law and yeah. So if we sound a bit tuck it, but we just had another three hour break. We went out flat in the law and yeah. So if we sound a bit tuck it out, we've had a big flat. So yeah, I've mentioned Speakeasy.

Starting point is 02:27:30 So let me explain them to you a little bit. But, you know, generally speaking, unlicensed bars after prohibition, legal restaurants and bars tried to keep trading with non-alcoholic beverages, but they soon went out of business. It was too early for boosted juices. People didn't know you could make a mint out of that. You were coming here for the vibe, right? This room's really nice to hang out in.

Starting point is 02:27:54 Yeah, we got women praying over here. So by 1924 in New York City, only 20% of pre-war licensed saloons remained. Oh, That sucks. And all their customers migrated over to Speakeasy. Speakeasy actually go back quite a few decades before prohibition. I mean, I'm sure unlicensed bars go way back, but the term Speakeasy is apparently. According to Miller and Brown, from 1874, a few state governments adopted a new tactic

Starting point is 02:28:22 to reduce alcohol consumption, raising the price of liquor selling licenses. Intended to reduce the number of bars, the 1888 Brooks High License Act raised the saloon licensing fee in Pennsylvania from 50 to $500. But instead, it gave the world a new term, speakeasy. As an Ohio newspaper reported, in Pittsburgh, they call a place where liquor is sold

Starting point is 02:28:43 without a license a speakeasy. It is likely the trend began in McKee Sport, just outside of Pittsburgh, where illegal saloon operator Kate Hester was known to hush raucous patrons by whispering, speak easy boys, speak easy. Soon it was popularized in Philadelphia and the notion spread from there that drinking in an unlicensed establishment implied the habitué had to speak easy or softly to escape the notice of police. Basically, it's keeping down. I want to call them the shut up cafes. Hey, shut up.

Starting point is 02:29:14 Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You're supposed to have had a fucking latte. New York's The World Wrote in 1895,

Starting point is 02:29:25 the speakeasy has always been the result whenever prohibition has been attempted. If we had to, if we had no intolerant crusade, we would have no speakeasies. That was five years before it came in through America. Like sort of like, they probably ran an article 30 years later saying, told ya or called it. Yeah. Headline called it. Body. Told ya. Here are some addresses for some German people. years later saying told you or called it. Yeah. Headline called it body told you.

Starting point is 02:29:46 Here are some addresses to some German people. No, different papers. I don't think that I feel like they were a very wet paper, basically paper mache in the process of being made, obviously not the end where it is dry. Of speakeasies, crockerites, the first step in the prohibition era speakeasy experiences was naturally finding a Speakeasy. But simply knowing that one existed nearby wasn't enough. Essentially you had to show that you were safe and not a snitch or police officer hoping

Starting point is 02:30:14 to close down the joint. Speakeasies didn't operate in a uniform way, but according to Rohrbauer, to be discreet, the typical Speakeasy lacked any sign and the large, thick and plain wood door often contained either a peephole for the bouncer to see out of or a small opening where the potential customer could be screened. They were called Judas holes, I think. Just check if it's a trader out there. All right.

Starting point is 02:30:38 You a Judas? Yes. Well, you're not coming in. I like our rule about- Are you a policeman trying to shut us down? You have to say if you are. You have to say you are. That's the no one rule. This I mean this sort of you know if you were the police trying to shut anything down you would look for the plane would do with the people. Why does that

Starting point is 02:30:56 door have a people? We're doing religion in here. Oh that's fine. You can't come in. We're praying really loudly. Someone met us. We're in the clan. We're doing a clan meeting. Oh, that's fine. That's fine. The clan also have sort of like the little Judas hole at the front, don't they? That's true. The hoods. So you're going to tell anyone what I'm up to in here?

Starting point is 02:31:17 Because it's pretty shameful. What happens in this hood? It's my business. But I'm also the minister of the church. So don't tell anyone that though. Not in print in our own published paper. So yeah, you'd either you'd either have a password or you'd be a member. They just know who you were.

Starting point is 02:31:35 Just try password. I reckon. Is it password? It is. Okay. Local police officers were usually welcome. Their visibility tended to preserve water. Is it Boo's one, two, three, four, five? It is Boo's one, two, three, four, five. You can come in. Their visibility tended to preserve. Is it Booze 12345? It is Booze 12345. You can come in. You can come in. Cops are allowed in. Cops are allowed in.

Starting point is 02:31:50 Okay, this seems beautiful. Once New York Speakeasy owner during the period was quoted as saying, the first day we opened up, the police came right in to bestud drinks. And I've had these four cops on my side in this business from that day on. Right. So if the cops aren't shutting them down, who would shut them down then? The federal agents.

Starting point is 02:32:08 Yes. Like I was saying before, at some point in New York and every state was different. Some of it, like everyone was an anti and would everyone snitch in. But in New York, there's not that many there to keep it under control. I think it's like less than a couple of hundred agents. Yeah, sure. To find a speakeasy, usually you would have to have the inside word, but others would subtly let you know as well. For instance, according to the Mob Museum, they would paint their doors green

Starting point is 02:32:33 as a signal to prospective clients. Okay. According to the agents, don't tell the agents. According to Crocker, two Chicago speakeasies became known for this, namely the Green Door Tavern and the Green Mill Cocktail Lounge. Even smaller joints like the Green Door in Fortescue, New Jersey also went by the name. Some speakeasies became quite well known, such as New York City Stalk Club. It opened in 1929 and though it was raided once and shut down, it moved location and ended up surviving longer than Prohibition itself, continuing to be a place to be seen with clientele such as previous do go on topic, Joan Crawford. Oh, and now it's a boost juice. So that's good. I reckon if I was the feds,

Starting point is 02:33:14 I would, I've just set up a green door that goes directly to a prison cell. Oh yeah. Yeah. What's the password? I don't know. That is the password. Come on in. Do you think there's a chance that they chose green because the federal legends are all colorblind and couldn't see that? They could there. It's just a wall. The wall continues there. There's a wall there, yep. Well, blind tricking in a wall.

Starting point is 02:33:33 This is the perfect crime. Or they were just fixing it in post to make it, you know, green screening of the doors. No, no, no. They project on bricks. Like a wall. Crocker also mentions the 21 Club, which I have to think is what inspired Shane Warns 23 Club. Club 21, Club 23? It can't be a coincidence.

Starting point is 02:33:53 It can't be. It's too better than that one. You know that famous club in New York? This one's too better. The 21 Club, which was a notorious spot for those who could afford it, with the owners making a splash on New Year's Eve in 1929 with a tux 21 Club, which was a notorious spot for those who could afford it, with the owners making a splash on New Year's Eve in 1929 with a tuxedo clad affair, a wash in champagne and demolition equipment.

Starting point is 02:34:13 According to Seale, this sounds dangerous. Did they put a bunch of, did they put like thousands of gallons of champagne behind a wall and they just smash it with hammers and then it just, yeah, this is a champagne flooded affair. smashed it with hammers and then it just, this is a champagne flood of a fair. Did it let it flow? Apparently, boozed up guests were then encouraged to take apart the old venue and join the owners in the newer nicer digs.

Starting point is 02:34:34 So they reopened that night. So everyone in their tuxedos smashed up their one bar and they went to their second venue. That's amazing. It's talking about opulence, and opulence perhaps, when you have too many apps on your phone. That's so opulence. But is this opulence or is this people who the tradies haven't rocked up?

Starting point is 02:34:52 So, they say, I want to get my way through. It sounds like you have a swim. Very expensive bar. Sounds like free labor, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. God, wouldn't it be so opulent if you helped me put the lights up? Yeah. Blind in some of the electrical stuff.

Starting point is 02:35:04 It's like, oh, I feel so. I feel like I'm working type. Look at me. God, this is opulent. I'm rugged. Class tourists. But yeah, they were all promised and delivered the best possible alcohol available. They weren't getting any dodgy moonshine there.

Starting point is 02:35:18 The operation at Club 21 was very slick. According to last call, the bartender, if they got a warning from the doorman, was able to push a button that would immediately dump all of the bars liquor down a bottle smashing shaft. Grapes allowed the alcohol to drain away before the police found the shattered remnants in the basement level. Wow. Wow. Which obviously would be like last resort, but better than getting shut down.

Starting point is 02:35:42 I was hoping you were going to say that they had something at the bottom that caught it and then pumped it back up and then they started feeling. I'm picturing Barney Gumbel at the bottom. It is super. Beer Baron. Do you remember Beer Baron and Rex Bannon? They make Moe's a pet shop and they push the button. You wouldn't want to bump that button on your first day there, would you?

Starting point is 02:35:59 No. Oh, what does this one do? Yeah. Another famous speak. I like how cool people call them speaks. I feel. Speak is too long. Another famous speak. I like how cool people call him speaks. That's cool. He speaks too well. Another famous speak. Wait, softly or loud? What do you want? I'll kind of speak. You know what I mean? The Cotton Club. This one I've heard of.

Starting point is 02:36:14 I've heard of this one. Yeah. It was a glamorous cabaret style performance venue that drew white partyists to Harlem, which featured legendary black performers like Duke Ellington. There was Britannica notes. only whites were allowed in the audience. Oh, so there were I'm going to better talk about things were a bit more progressive because of prohibition, but the expensive ones were still super segregated, racist places. You can come work. You can you could be behind the bar and be on the stage, but you can't be sitting in

Starting point is 02:36:44 one of these tables. You could be you could be underneath having bottles and be on the stage, but you can't be sitting in one of these tables. You could be, you could be underneath having bottles smash on top of you. That's fine. It's fine. We'll allow that. We'll add a chat. We'll allow that. Um, but yeah, some, some, some of it was a lot more progressive at the time.

Starting point is 02:36:56 Um, which I guess, you know, remembering that the clan is still huge by the sounds of it at the time. So it's a very different America because I think they've fixed all of that now. I think it's fixed. Yeah. Yeah. Same as Australia. Yeah. Everyone is exactly equal. But anyway, some of the slightly more positive stuff, according to the Mob Museum, a beautiful resource, it was, it wasn't entirely unheard of for patrons of various skin colors and ethnic backgrounds to mingle in a speakeasy, listening to jazz music pioneered by black musicians. Which was like before Prohibition, bars were men only and probably white only or black only. So this was pretty for the time, pretty

Starting point is 02:37:38 progressive as crocker arts. Eventually these became known as black and tan clubs, a term that had been around for decades. The phrase became fairly popular to the point where one Seattle establishment, formerly known as the Alhambra, changed its name to black and tan in 1933. Speakeasies also brought around a bit more gender equality. According to Crocker, before Prohibition, women were generally expected to keep their alcohol consumption private and certainly a lady would never be seen in a down and dirty saloon with the common drunks who were men.

Starting point is 02:38:08 But this all changes prohibition for young women. It was an opportunity to mingle with men like never before and without the troublesome presence of chaperones or noisy church ladies. God, there's nothing better than mingling with men. I'll tell you. Oh, just have a mingle. God, it's great. Is that where the term mingers came from?

Starting point is 02:38:26 People who like to mingle? Yeah, almost certainly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the word in a while, but that makes you think. That's the main thing about the show, isn't it? Makes you think, yeah. You don't learn a lot, but it will make you think and probably Google to check the facts. A lot more questions than answers. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:42 That's what life's all about. Yes. But apparently all of this led to dating, you know, it was like courting and stuff. I want to go to, okay. Can I maybe want to go bowling? I can hang. I guess so. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:38:55 I want to push the bottle smashing button. Watch this thing freak out. This is great. And it also ruins our night. Cause we're getting more drinks, but I've already ordered six from the bar. Rorabelle suggests as well as doubling the potential business by allowing women, that's good business, there are other benefits as well writing, when both men and women enter

Starting point is 02:39:14 the doorway, outsiders, including members of the anti-saloon league, were less likely to suspect that alcohol was being served. There's like women are going, they're not going to be drinking. That's right. I guess this place is fine. I guess this even party places, they're all probably just drinking booze juice. They're going to be riding horses on the beach. They're going to be playing tennis in all white. It's not going to be drinking. No, it's crazy. Maybe holding hands. I hope not though. Crocker continues to help encourage this increasingly diverse, gender diverse clientele. Speakeasies might change how they do business.

Starting point is 02:39:46 A few places added table service. This more discreet way of ordering was considered more accessible to women who might still be shy about public drinking. And don't make me stand at the bar. That's very un-ladylike. If they come to me, it's a bit more subtle. And then I'll drink it under the table. Yes.

Starting point is 02:40:02 Really long straw. And rather than expect women to just sit around drinking, Speakeasy managers began to expand their entertainment options, adding live music and dance floors to make it a real party. Rorabella writes, decor and attractive male bartenders were used to draw women who came alone with friends or with dates. All three options were available to women all of a sudden. Alone, friends or dates. Nice chaper are available to women all the same.

Starting point is 02:40:29 Alone, friends or dates. No chaperones and nosy church ladies though. That's exactly right. They can stay out. Crocker continues, with the combined powers of a decent drink, good music, and an energetic dance like the Charleston, many women found it easier than ever to enter the speakeasy and be as daring as they please. This is flapper times, baby. They're flipping, they're flapping. Wow.

Starting point is 02:40:49 Not everyone was pleased though, as Royal Bail writes. Elders were alarmed that young men and women drank together. To the young, the idea of prohibition seemed bizarre and unfair. By 1926, when they're becoming 21 or whatever, I can't remember when the 21 thing happened, but that was also done by the dry movement. They got to move from eight into 21. It doesn't matter, but classic them. They tried to move it up to 31, 81.

Starting point is 02:41:10 They were kids when it came in and now they're like, why is this happening? This is weird. In 1926, a poll found that four fifths of Yale University students opposed prohibition drinking and they had access to all the good stuff. That's right. Or at least their teachers did. Drinking was just one way young women rebelled. Flappers talked dirty, bobbed their hair, wore short skirts, put on lipstick and carried

Starting point is 02:41:32 flasks in their boots. They also listened to jazz. Prohibition and the speakeasy culture it gave birth to led to a real boom time for jazz. The Mob Museum notes that jazz had already been around for some time prior to prohibition, but it was the abolition of alcohol nationwide that created a lively and lucrative nightclub culture. Crocker writes, for some of the lower class spots, one of the newfangled jukeboxes, which they weren't called that at the time. The first they were called, that's some other name, but I think in the late 20s, early 30s they became known as jukeboxes.

Starting point is 02:42:07 But it was much better to have live musicians. And as the Mob Museum continues, that culture advanced the careers of major jazz performers such as Louis Armstrong, King Oliver, Duke Ellington, Fats Waller, Paul Whiteman, and jazz itself as an art form. We didn't have that, we wouldn't have revolver nightclub in Melbourne. We wouldn't have billboard. But they just the nightclubs or do they start off as jazz clubs?

Starting point is 02:42:33 I don't know. OK. Probably. Yeah, probably. Yeah. That's another question for you. Yeah. I'm just thinking about thriving nightlife and culture in Melbourne, you know, more so than that. And they're two fantastic examples of it. That's what I'm just thinking about thriving nightlife and culture in Melbourne, you know, more so than that. And they're two fantastic examples of it. That's what I'm telling you. I remember never getting there at 3am and going, why have I done this? I lined up to be in here.

Starting point is 02:42:53 Why did I do that? We wouldn't have the tote. We wouldn't have the punters club. That's true. It's so true, isn't it? That is so true. Yeah. Truth.

Starting point is 02:43:02 You are speaking, you're not even speaking, you're spitting truth. That's right. Hey, don't speak easy on these. You can speak those loud, loud and proud. The Mob Museum continues. The new opportunities for live musicians in higher paying clubs would foster two types of jazz in the 1920s. Cool jazz and hot jazz. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Starting point is 02:43:19 Wet and dry. There was heaps, actually. A sticky, sticky jazz. Oh, that's my favorite. Yeah, a sticky, slippery jazz. Oh, that's my favourite. I love the slippery jazz. From New Orleans, where Armstrong and Oliver originated, came a style in which musicians performed together as an ensemble. In Chicago, a free-form improvisational style arose.

Starting point is 02:43:39 Armstrong, who moved with Oliver to Chicago in 1922, became a big success as a jazz recording artist, as did Bessie Smith, who recorded 180 songs during the decade. Some of their jazz records openly referred to illegal booze. One of Smith's songs called Me and My Gin include the refrain, any bootlegger sure is a pal of mine. And here's my address. Armstrong recorded a popular song about drinking titled, Knockin' a Jug. That's really good. It is really good. I like it.

Starting point is 02:44:12 I haven't heard it, but I love it. I'd love to knock a jug. Apparently, speaks were much more queer friendly than the broader society as well. As Crocker writes, Prohibition era speakeasies could host LGBTQ guests and performers with far more frequency than the rest of the world was willing to accept. According to history.com, gay culture enjoyed a new era of openness during the 1920s. Drag balls in which attendees thumb their noses at gender norms while strutting their stuff in glamorous gowns had already been a fixture of metropolitan and nightlife in places like New York City.

Starting point is 02:44:45 By prohibition, thousands of people took part. Sue with Crocker. It was such a force in speakeasy culture of the time that people dubbed the proliferation of drag performers and LGBTQ friendly spots the pansy craze. Oh, that's a bit of fun. Does the Mob Museum have anything to say about the LGBTQ community? I don't have anything else from the having anything to say about the LGBTQ. I don't have anything interesting. I'm a museum.

Starting point is 02:45:07 Interesting. All right. You're familiar. We think they're all right. Hey, they're all right. Yes. As long as they're buying our liquor. Yeah. Oh, my money's all right here.

Starting point is 02:45:19 That's what the mobs. That's what the mobs sound like. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Still a crocker. Though members of the community would have to endure a cultural backlash in future decades, the more open world of the speakeasies set the stage for gay culture of the future. There were even dedicated LGBTQ speakeasies, visitors to Harry Hansberry's Clam House in

Starting point is 02:45:41 New York. Clam House is so good. I love the, the pansy craze at the clam house. It sounds like a meal. I'll just get the pansy craze thanks. And the clam house. That's the chaser. What about alarm Ricky? Wash it all down. Oh my God. Do you reckon they do them here? At the clam house. I've got the taste for them now. So yeah, the clam house was one of the best known underground spots catering to gay clientele and it might even have seen legendary blues singer Gladys Bentley performing on stage.

Starting point is 02:46:12 Even Gladys Bentley? Yeah. Whoa. Bentley, an icon of the Harlem renaissance and member of the LGBTQ community was often dressed in a stylish traditionally masculine suit and top hat. Probably made it sound like it was an entirely lawless time, and that's not quite the case. Plenty of speakeasies, bootleggers and moonshiners did get busted over the decade or longer of prohibition. And remember, everybody's cars got ticketed for being outside the speakeasy for longer than two hours. That's true. So. But yeah, being outside the speak easy for longer than two hours. That's true.

Starting point is 02:46:45 So you could you could drink drugs. Fine. That's fine. I also what what is even during and I'm not allowed to. Yeah, well, I know. Why would you test you for something that you're not allowed to have? Yeah, I'd even be testing me. It's not possible.

Starting point is 02:46:57 That's a fossa. Um, but yeah, so a lot of people got busted. Keith, uh, one of people got busted. Keith, one of the- Not Keith. Not Keith. Oh, Keith. Not Keith. Maybe Keith, Keith wanted to be,

Starting point is 02:47:10 of all the people who suggested these topics, Keith was the only one who wanted me to talk about some nucks. And Keith wanted me to, so maybe he was busted and he's like, I'll make, I'll, yeah. Get a plea bargain, I'll get a mention on a podcast. Get a podcast, a snitch, and all my, I don't know, everybody else and I'll get a reduced sentence. He wanted me to talk about agents Izzy and Moe and luckily for us, old mate, Rorbaugh

Starting point is 02:47:33 dedicates a couple of paragraphs to them writing, through self-promotion, the Prohibition Bureau agents Izzy Einstein and Moe Smith, and the Smiths frequently made the New York Times. It's so funny they're busting people and then they're like leaking the story to the press. Oh, I heard, I heard Izzy and Mel have done it again. They could do interviews but they had to wear like those daft punk helmets. Einstein apparently was a natural actor

Starting point is 02:48:00 and he loved faking his identity to catch liquor violators. He appeared to care less about prohibition and more about being able to con crooks. At one time or another, he pretended to be a rabbi, a violinist, a fisherman, a baseball player, an arts man. Construction worker, Native American, cop, didn't work out so well. Is the one? Yeah, I'm undercover, don't worry. I'm a cop, yeah, I'm undercover as a dodgy cop. I mean, not undercover, I'm undercover. Don't worry. I'm a cop. I'm yeah, I'm a dog. I'm undercover as a dodgy cop. I mean, not undercover. I'm undercover.

Starting point is 02:48:29 Some of the outfits require a bit more work than others, don't they? Violin player. He's a violin. Iceman. I'm picturing, you know, Schwarzenegger in Mr. Freeze for sure. Also an undertaker. His victims fell for his phony lines and tried to sell him liquor. Whereupon the game was up. Public support of Prohibition continued to drop as the 20s ended and the 30s began. Because of this, Franklin D. Roosevelt's platform for the presidency included a call for the repeal of Prohibition. He was the losing vice president nominee 10 odd years back. In the meantime, he'd done a bit of state politics and stuff.

Starting point is 02:49:07 Anyway, and it just waiting while the incumbent presidents were being tarred with the disaster that was going on. So it was pretty much like whoever got the opposition. Yeah. Roosevelt reemerged with a cool new haircut and some sunglasses and like a whole new look. Like when you go from primary school to high school or whatever, it's like I'm going to reinvent myself as the cool president. I could be anyone now. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Call me Cobra. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. According to Klein, by the 1930s,

Starting point is 02:49:37 it was clear that prohibition had become a public policy failure. The 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had done little to curb the sale, production and consumption of intoxicating liquors. That sounded like it did pretty well. Organized crime flourished, tax revenues withered. As with the start of Prohibition, women played an instrumental role in its demise as Miller and Brown write. Many of the women who had previously fought for Prohibition and suffrage campaigned for repeal. had previously fought for prohibition and suffrage campaign for repeal. And oh, here we go. I will keep singing until you bring in the booze. Yeah, there's someone working around with an axe and put bottles back together.

Starting point is 02:50:16 Pauline Sabin, a New York socialite active in Republican politics once commented that, quote, I felt I should approve it of it because it would help my two sons. The word pictures of the agitators carried me away. I thought a world without liquor would be a beautiful world. But then she realized that the men who supported strict enforcement of prohibition drank cocktails behind closed doors. She also came to the epiphany that, quote, children are growing up with a lack of respect for the constitution and for the law. She formed the women's organization for the national prohibition reform or one per in Chicago in May of 1929, along with the wives of some of America's industrial leaders,

Starting point is 02:50:54 many middle American middle-class housewives saw it as an opportunity toobbing with the opal way. If I'm going to hobnob with anyone, it's the opal way, right? It's the opal way or nothing. Others were disenchanted. Hobnob with a bourgeoisie, I don't think so. No, not for me. No, no, no, no, no. Others were disenchanted that the promised utopian society had turned out to be more of a purgatory. Membership grew to 1.5 million within two years, embracing women from all economic levels and branched

Starting point is 02:51:25 out its chapters in 41 of the 48 states. The WAMPA was not alone. It was joined with the Association Against the Prohibition Amendment, that was one, Voluntary Committee of Lawyers, the VCL, I guess, the Crusaders and the American Hotel Organization united with the WAMPA to form the United Repeal Council. The Crusaders, but for booze this time. Yeah, that's right. We understand our name might be a little bit ambiguous. It might sound like we're

Starting point is 02:51:52 against booze, but we're actually for booze this time. We're still Crusaders though. We're Crusading pro-boos. Yeah. So yeah, they all grouped together and lobbied at both the 1932 Republican and Democratic Conventions. Eight other national and regional special interest groups placed additional pressure They all grouped together and lobbied at both the 1932 Republican and Democratic conventions. Eight other national and regional special interest groups placed additional pressure on both national and regional levels. Klein continues, in February of 1933, Congress easily passed a proposed 21st Amendment.

Starting point is 02:52:17 Obviously, there's a couple of amendments in the meantime. Oh, yes. Don't ask me what they were. We don't have the time. We do. We do. Of course we do, but I just don't know. We can, we got to leave time for future episodes

Starting point is 02:52:28 about all the amendments. That's why we're gonna do, what block next year will be the top nine amendments. But basically the 21st amendment is- You're gonna give your opinion on the second amendment, aren't you? Can't wait to hear that. That's right. Finally, Dave speaks out.

Starting point is 02:52:41 Yeah, we have to wait nearly a full year till block next year. So the whole point of the 21st amendment was getting rid of the 18th amendment. Hell no. You know, everyone knows 18 minus 21 equals zero. So 17 of the 22 senators who voted for prohibition 16 years earlier now approved its repeal.

Starting point is 02:53:01 So it was clear the tide had turned and everyone was off the boat. Classic police. There they are. For the first time in American history, a constitutional amendment had been repealed. Soon President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who obviously President Cools Roosevelt, one in a big way, issued a proclamation. The D stands for dynamite. He issued a proclamation declaring the end of prohibition while also admonishing the country to drink responsibly and not abuse this return of individual freedom saying, I trust in the good sense of the American people that they will not bring upon themselves the curse of excessive use of intoxicating liquors to the detriment of health, morals

Starting point is 02:53:43 and social integrity. And that model has since been adopted by every, by advertising for every alcohol and gambling company in the world. Just we're bringing it all back folks. You can do anything you want. Drink responsibly though. We'll say really quickly at the end, just drink responsibly. It seemed that they followed this request though as Klein writes, cities reported that arrests for drunkenness were no different than those during a normal weekend night during Prohibition

Starting point is 02:54:14 when a lot of people were also drunk, but only on weirder booze. While some predicted it was going to be a wild celebration, that was not to be, but why not? Boozing was legal once more. Why didn't it go off in a big bang? Well, as OK Rant, OK Rant writes, the 21st Amendment actually made it harder, not easier to get a drink because along with legislation

Starting point is 02:54:33 came regulations on closing hours, age limits, and Sunday service. Ah, but before that they were just like, they were their own bosses. If you want to pay, you can get booze. It might kill you, but you can get it. Still, the end of prohibition resulted in a financial windfall for the federal government, which according to Ocrant collected more than $258 million in alcohol taxes in the first year

Starting point is 02:54:54 after a repeal. And that was a lot of money back then. Yeah, like pocket change now, but in the thirties, that was a lot of money. Those millions, which accounted for nearly 9% of the government's tax revenue helped to finance Roosevelt's New Deal programs in the ensuing years. And that's the end of my report on prohibition. Now I would say things like things didn't just go back to normal. Organized crime remained. So many things changed. Nighttime culture remained. Men and women continue to hang out together. So it sounds like it did change. I've never experienced that. I don't know what you're talking about.

Starting point is 02:55:27 I've only read about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in the engineering years, like it did, like there were positives for like some minority groups that beforehand weren't able to go to the bar and hang out together. And women were allowed in now and that kept going forward. So I guess it's, there's progress on that, on that front. But also unfortunately, and probably played into the ending of prohibition was the great depression.

Starting point is 02:55:53 It was also hitting at that point. So, things were changing in a lot of different ways as well. And that did, apparently that did stormy a lot of the progressive movements that were happening. Some, I read somewhere that if it wasn't for the Great Depression, like the 20s into the 30s would have been more like what the 60s ended up being. Right, because it was sort of the upward trajectory and then it just got smashed. Women's lib and all that sort of stuff was, but yeah, I had to worry about being um, you know, being desperate. I think that's what and depressed. The economy. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, may so. Thanks so much for joining us.

Starting point is 02:56:32 Absolutely. What a wonderful report. Should we have one last break to go get some lime Ricky's? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. And we're back from the line Ricky bar. My goodness. We drank and dried. There's no more line Ricky's left in Melbourne. If there ever was any. That was the best Ricky session I've ever heard. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 02:56:47 I've never wrecked harder than that. I wrecked it. Wreck it up. Um, thank you so much for joining us, Maceo. What a delight, it's always wonderful to be here. It is. Especially in the room that I've demanded. I think you might have been on every block, because you did the original block you told

Starting point is 02:57:04 us the story of Batman. I know one block you told us about Ninja Tur block. Cause you did the original block. You told us a story of Batman. I know one block you told us about Ninja Turtles. You're on the episode about the city of Atlantis. Yeah. So I had to, you know, give Jess some poisoned liquor and get her off the way. Well, we needed to. Yeah, you would have been here anyway. I'm sure. But yeah, so I'm so stoked that you're able to make it back in.

Starting point is 02:57:23 Keep this tradition rolling. Actually, one block, the one of the Patreon bonus reports was actually the life of Meso. Oh, you did that one for real by popular vote. OK, I wanted that on the main feed. Well, I reckon we could get a bonus out of this. Oh, yeah. I learned a lot about you. Just made some stuff up, I presume.

Starting point is 02:57:43 No, listen, I mainly got the info from your mouth. I went to rest on the Daniel Connell podcast. Oh, there you go. He really got you chatting. All right. And then I think I made up other stuff. Yeah, nice. That's great. Yeah, cool.

Starting point is 02:57:56 If people listen, they have to guess which one and comment. Yes or no. Let me check that out. Oh, Mace, are any guesses for what number one will be for block this year? Oh, it could it be prohibition? Oh, this time it's personal. Unfortunately, we extra prohibition. We have a double indemnity rule.

Starting point is 02:58:16 Now, what is it? Double jeopardy. Double jeopardy. OK, you can't be convicted of a second podcast topic twice. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, even if it won the vote, we'd have to discount it. So that was number four. We're counting down three to go.

Starting point is 02:58:28 My goodness. Would it be the Corvette? He's got a little red Corvette. We'll have to beat that because we don't people to know. We want it to be a special. Yeah. Thanks. It really is always a pleasure to have you here. People, if I want to hear more of you, you talk about movies

Starting point is 02:58:48 and comic books and TV shows. That's correct. Over on the podcast, The Weekly Planet and also the the video channel Mr. Sunday Movies on YouTube with James, who's been here before. Talked about Star Wars and such and so forth. You guys are so funny together. Good time. One of the great combos like people and alcohol. And such and so forth. You guys are so funny together. We have a good time. You know what's great, Converse?

Starting point is 02:59:05 Like people and alcohol. Oh yeah. When you come together. People having the choice to drink alcohol if they want. I mean, they call one of us Lime and one of us Ricky. But which one? We'll never tell. Which is which one?

Starting point is 02:59:18 Lime Ricky is a good nickname. Isn't it though? It's great. Yeah. Can we call you Lime Ricky? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks Lime Ricky. OK. Thanks Moist Boy. Ah, the Moist Boys. The Moist Boys. We did it. That's great. Yeah. Can we also call you Larmaricky? Yeah, absolutely. Thanks Larmaricky. OK.

Starting point is 02:59:25 Thanks Moist Boy. Ah, the Moist Boys. The Moist Boys. We did it. That's right. Man, we're all sitting in a big puddle now. I want you to get up first. Dave, say goodbye to Maceo.

Starting point is 02:59:38 Maceo, goodbye. Goodbye, Dave. See you Maceo. Bye. Well, as we say goodbye to the great man, Nick Mason, we say hello to the greater man, Jess Perkins. Thank you. I'm the greatest man.

Starting point is 02:59:53 The greatest man of all. You know, as a feminist, I think the greatest man of all is a woman. Yeah, no, that's the same thing I said, but explain back to me. He said it a little bit louder. A little bit louder. Speak up, mate. And not quite as high. It's like, it's hard to...

Starting point is 03:00:10 Yeah, that's whiny. Yeah. Did you notice I went in? Yeah. Okay, these are some things that you could do if you listen to me and take my course. Feminism for gals. So what are we doing? Well, we are welcoming Jess back. Feminism for gals. So what are we doing? Well, we are welcoming Jess back.

Starting point is 03:00:29 She missed the episode, had to pull out late. Unfortunately, you were sick, but you are better-ish. Better-ish. Yeah. Just a different sick. Yeah. But we we will still accept prayers for Bob. I think Pray for Bob is always probably wise. Yeah, it's fine. I think it's become more and more relevant as the years have gone on.

Starting point is 03:00:51 Yeah, I don't know even how it started or why, but more recently it's more relevant. Yeah, yeah. It probably started off slightly jokingly. Yeah. But now it is legit. Please pray for Bob. Sounds like we're being really cryptic. I just get migraines a lot. That's what we're talking about. Yes. I don't want people to be like, is she dying?

Starting point is 03:01:11 Is she? Or is she shitting herself? Like any woman who throws up ever in a TV show. Is she pregnant? You know? Oh, yeah. Pray for Bob. Pray for Bob. Pray she gets over this awful affliction. No, I just get migraines. And but the time the Maceau was here, I had come to work. Turns out I had taken too much of a medication,

Starting point is 03:01:34 essentially poisoned myself and projectile vomited everywhere. It was opium. It was opium. I was trying out opium. Turns out it's not for me. Yeah. She came straight from the den. out opium. Turns out it's not for me. Yeah, she came straight from the den. So Jess, you missed what I would call one of the best episodes of the year.

Starting point is 03:01:58 Wow. Would you like up there with, you know, do you think if people had voted on it, they would have, it would have been like top nine? I think so, yes. Top nine. I don't know where exactly in it, but it would be somewhere amongst the top nine. Wow. Yeah, the pointy end. Huge. Yeah, it's really big.

Starting point is 03:02:12 I'm sad to have missed it. I can't wait to listen. Yeah, I think- I probably won't listen. What? I don't like listening to myself. You're not- I wasn't on it!

Starting point is 03:02:20 You weren't on it. You can listen. I don't like listening to you. Is Dave on it? Yes. And Maceo it. You can listen. I don't like listening to you. Is Dave on it? Yes. And Mase-o. I do like Dave. Does Dave and Mase-o outweigh me? Yeah. Matt did do a lot of talking.

Starting point is 03:02:32 Yeah, but then it's just three white men. Why don't you listen in the car? Yeah, I can listen in the car. They'd have drowned me out. I can't hear you anyway. Perfect. It's weird that my voice is drowned out by engines I heard. Don't really understand what that would be. I don't really understand what that would be.

Starting point is 03:02:51 That makes no sense to me. Anyway, we're here to thank some of our great Patreon supporters. That's what Jess came in, even though sick, she's like, you know what? I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about Matt's little story from history. Don't care. But what I do give a fuck about, our great Patreon supporters.

Starting point is 03:03:15 I give several fucks about them. You will fuck all night for them. I will. I will and I do. Which probably explains why you get some of these migraines. I'm not sleeping. Have a rest, man. No, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 03:03:29 It's all for them. It's for them. It's all for them. I do it for them. I do it for them. There's a picture of all of them above your bed. I am in so much pain. So the way we do this for people who don't know is we go to our Patreon, at patreon.com slash

Starting point is 03:03:47 jugongpod, and people on there who've supported at various levels get different kinds of shout outs and whatnot. Dave, you can maybe explain a little bit better than that. Yeah, I mean, we basically reward you for rewarding us for making the show. Hey, you scratch my back, I scratch your back. Exactly. We'll scratch your back with access to the Facebook group. Bonus episodes we do basically one a week these days, four per month. And you get access to the back catalogue, which is closing in on 250.

Starting point is 03:04:16 So there's literally hundreds of hours of content that you can unlock by supporting the show, but also voting that you can get voting for topics, early access to tickets, discounts. So in some ways, this thing pays for itself topics, early access to tickets, discounts. So in some ways this thing pays for itself. Yeah. Some ways. Some ways. You'd be a full not to.

Starting point is 03:04:29 Exactly. There's never been a better time. Did you mention the ad free feed? And there's an ad free feed. That's right. If you go, which is the same as the bonus episode one, that's basically the one that we're like, hey, this is the best value we think. You get four bonus episodes per month and ad free listening to all of our new episodes.

Starting point is 03:04:46 So all of Block, that's ad free. But if you're an absolute king and you sign up on the Sydney Scharnberg level, which is all of that, plus you have to be in the Fact, Quota, Question section. Exactly. Which is this section we're about to do, which actually has a jingle, I think, or something like this. Fact, Quota, Question. Yeah, it was Remember to Sing, show us Remember to Sing. And the way this works is if you're on that Sydney, Charlotte, Berg level or above, you

Starting point is 03:05:09 get to give this fact quote or question or braggart or suggestion or really whatever you like. You also get to give yourself a title. I'm reading out three this week. The first one comes from Steven Edmonds, whose title is Watcher of Too Much YouTube. Ooh. And I think Stephen actually created this, this sub category effect, quote, a question, the recipe. And Stephen writes, Yes.

Starting point is 03:05:34 If you happen to find yourself with three overripe bananas, then I think the best thing to do with them is to make banana muffins. Wow, I've actually got four right now. Is that too many? That's too many. You should have eaten those bananas. Okay.

Starting point is 03:05:48 That's wasteful. I'll have the other one and make a smoothie out of it. Beautiful. And then the three, tell me what to do with them. All right. Stephen says, I'm not going to repeat the recipe here, but I got it from Evan and Caitlin's YouTube channel in their making banana muffins while blindfolded video.

Starting point is 03:06:02 Oh. Is that a prerequisite? I have made it a couple of times and the muffins have come out great. More so if you pour over melted butter and cover in cinnamon sugar. Oh, that's all sound pretty good. So yeah, basically Google making banana muffins while blind Banana Muffins While Blind folded and. Wow. Folded. And thanks Steven later. Thank and I'll thank Steven now though. Thank you Steven. Banana Muffins.

Starting point is 03:06:31 Banana Pancakes. Another good option there perhaps. Thank you Steven. Next one comes from Kevin Ulysses Pakrad. Okay. Thingus Bingus Cunnilingus. Beautiful name for a boy or girl. And Thingus is offering us a fact here writing.

Starting point is 03:06:39 Here's a little photo of him. Thingus Bingus Cunnilingus. Beautiful name for a boy or girl. And Thingus is offering us a fact here, writing, his little fun movie fact. We'll wait to see if Jess agrees. In 2006, after the release of his movie Inland Empire, David Lynch wanted to run an Oscar campaign for Laura Dern's performance in the film. But because it was self-financed, he had no money to run any ads or anything like that. Instead, on December the 13th, 2006, Lynch sat on a corner of Hollywood Boulevard and La Brea

Starting point is 03:07:13 with a giant poster of Laura Dern with the caption, For your consideration. He also sat next to, What else? A live cow. Oh, I love a bloody live cow. Don't think I'd make it sit on the corner of a busy street. Yeah. But, you know, put it in a big grassland and just me and it hugging it out.

Starting point is 03:07:35 There was also a second poster next to the cow that said, "'Without cheese, there wouldn't be an inland empire.'" When someone asked what he meant by this, he said, "'Che cheese is made from milk, get it? Personally, I don't get it. What? Nor do I get most of the film Inland Empire, but I love David Lynch and I hope he gets to eat as much cheese as he likes. Wow. All I know is that Inland Empire would make for a very interesting episode of the Do Go On Movie Club. Wow. Thank you so much for that beautiful fact. I love Laura Dern. Kevin,

Starting point is 03:08:12 I love Laura Dern too. Yeah. I love Laura Dern more. One of my favourite NEPO babies. I mean, they are pretty much the old Hollywoodies. They're all NEPO babies. Yeah. And that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's okay. As a lot of them will tell you, they still had to work really hard. Yeah, some doors were opened, sure. And honestly, they weren't even really for me.

Starting point is 03:08:35 Yeah, all right, well. Yeah, okay. I'm much prefer to just say, look, I'm very lucky. Yeah. And I appreciate that I got a bonus lucky start here. But they really do say that. They always say, oh, I worked. I worked just as hard as anyone, if not harder.

Starting point is 03:08:53 Living in the shadow of the person who got me all my auditions. Yeah. The person who cast me in their films when I was quite young. OK. Yeah. Hardest to be directed by your mum or dad. It's hard. It's really annoying. It's tough. I actually did. My mom taught me once.

Starting point is 03:09:09 And it was a bit weird. Whoa. That would be strange. Was it for like a... That's the main reason I didn't get into teaching. Didn't want to be called a nepo baby. Yeah. Was it a short lesson or like for the year?

Starting point is 03:09:19 Was she subbing? No, it was a short lesson of one day. And even then you were like... I lost my mind. You know, I was in grade prep or grade one. And even then you were like, this is so- I lost my mind. You know, I was in grade prep or grade one, like I was little. You were little, yeah.

Starting point is 03:09:29 And I remember just getting hyper and being confused. Yeah. And mom was like, you're being weird. And I was like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know who I am. I'm like, what's happening? You're not a teacher, you're my mom. Yeah. What do I call you?

Starting point is 03:09:46 There's no teacher in our classroom. We can do whatever we want. And everyone's laughing at you for accidentally calling the teacher mum. It is actually my mum. That is my mum. Did you ever have your mum as your librarian? I had my dad as my salesman. Oh, yeah. Now I would have gone to they, because my mum was a children's librarian specifically,

Starting point is 03:10:08 so she would do a weekly story time session. Yeah, cool. We would go to those. So. That's nice. Yeah, and I was- That's the only way you could get your mum to read your book. Yeah, I lost you exactly.

Starting point is 03:10:18 Once a week. She wouldn't- She wouldn't bring her book home. No, you can't. You can't. It's like chefs don't want to cook at home. Yeah. Your mum didn't want to read to children at home. Oh my god, this is me time. Mum, you do it.

Starting point is 03:10:28 What did your dad sell you? Oh, a good time. OK. Four-park SuperBoss? Yeah. What are we doing? Where are we? Who knows? What am I saying?

Starting point is 03:10:38 Yeah, I got lost. I can't remember what's happening. Oh yeah, we're talking about Laura Dern. Great actor. Big fan. Yeah, big fan of Laura Dern. That's how we got onto that. I only just- Nepo baby, what's happening. Oh, yeah, we're talking about Laura Dern. Great actor. Big fan. Yeah, big fan of Laura Dern. That's how we got onto that. Nepo baby. I think I just only recently realised that, like, that her dad was who her dad is.

Starting point is 03:10:53 I don't know who her dad is. He's a guy you'd recognise if you saw Gary Dern. And I looked it up and her mum's also a three time Academy Award nominee. Yeah, yeah. So powerful. That's powerful. But, you know. Yeah, yeah. So powerful. That's powerful. But you know. Diane Ladd. It is funny because also I think it does make sense that.

Starting point is 03:11:09 Bruce Dern. Bruce Dern, yeah. It makes some sense that you would, growing up in it, you would have a natural talent for it probably. But anyway, I never do say that if, you know, when I got a mate who, who took over his dad's pool business. That's not nepo, is it? No, whatever goes on about it. That's just the family business. Oh, here we go.

Starting point is 03:11:30 Oh, nepo pool boy. I try that as a bit at Adelaide Fringe and I don't think, either I didn't nail it or they were just like, yeah, great observation. It was the crowds problem. Really funny stuff. It's not you. It's not you. They were, what was wrong?

Starting point is 03:11:46 They were wrong. And that's why we don't go to Adelaide. They were a bit, they were just a bit off, weren't they? Not quite right. Bit off that crowd. That night. Yeah. I mean all the other, no, it's fantastic. Anyway, where are we?

Starting point is 03:11:59 Another fat quota question, I'm guessing. And the final one this week comes from Nick Verderosa. Okay, official Yankee of the podcast. Okay. Offering a question. I think this might be Nick's first time. Welcome Nick. Hey, hey, Bob, Cobra, and the bearded weirdo.

Starting point is 03:12:16 Hey, hey. Seven years ago via the Do Go On email account, Jess agreed to dub me the official Yankee of the pod. Now it's time to make it official official. Excited I can join this level on Patreon to show my support for you three for bringing so much joy and laughter to me for nearly a decade. I thought I was very familiar with the name. Right. But because it was the first time is, but he's just he's upgraded.

Starting point is 03:12:40 That's nice. Welcome. Welcome. You get comfy seats now. Oh, yeah, these are my leg room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Better food nice. Welcome. Welcome. You get comfy seats now. Oh yeah, these are my leg room. Yeah. Yeah. Better food, slightly. Yeah. Dave will look you in the eye. I won't, but no, but you know, good on you. Yeah. Doctor of podcasts. That's the only level higher. That's if you want Jess's eyes. Yeah. You got to go up there. Anyway, continues saying, you've helped me get through a lot of ups and downs for a title. And those who don't know, a Yankee is anyone from the northeast of the USA. It's funny because in Australia, it kind of means Americans in general, but in America, it's very specific.

Starting point is 03:13:19 Oh, that's so true. I am from Connecticut, the best state in New England, which leads me into my question. What is your favorite fact about your hometown? For me, my town Bethel, Connecticut is the birthplace of episode 282 topic PT Barnum. Our town has a PT Barnum square, a statue of the greatest showman in front of our library and circus murals around town. I guess the weirders from my town inspired him. Thank you guys again and excited for you to come visit us in the good old U.S. of A. Creamies on me. Oh wow. Yes please. Obviously Vermont being my favorite state of New England, but still Connecticut.

Starting point is 03:14:06 Pretty good. Yeah. So, fun facts about- What's mine? I think mine are mainly Midwest, or my favourite, the gold mile. True. But you've got a fact? I was just thinking, so like, OK, so I'm- me personally, I'm from Melbourne. Melbourne is my hometown.

Starting point is 03:14:22 And I guess my favourite fun fact is like we have wonderful laneways and culture. And that's actually actually is quite interesting. We have very good coffee here. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And not not everybody knows that. And most Melburnians don't are insufferable about that. No, that's true. So that's a little hidden secret. Now, I googled 10 interesting facts about Melbourne.

Starting point is 03:14:46 It says Melbourne is home to wild penguins. Oh, yeah. Known for its iconic coffee culture. It's the worst list, isn't it? Hosted the 1956 Summer Olympics. We really, it's hard. Like people go, oh, what should we see? And like, ugh, we're coming to Melbourne for a bit.

Starting point is 03:15:01 What would you see? I don't know. What would you... It's nice to live here, though. What would you say? I don't know. What would you... It's nice to live here though. What would you say about our weather? Four seasons in one day. That's one of the options. And the Great Ocean Road, which is approximately two hours out of Melbourne. It's in Victoria, that's for sure, but it is not in Melbourne.

Starting point is 03:15:18 So you didn't have any Mount Waverley specific? No. I don't think there's anything particularly interesting about Mount Waverley. Nice suburb. I would say I've just went to Brisbane recently. Coffee there is, I think, just as good. Just as good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I think all the things Melbourne's proud of, Brisbane does just as well. Oh, yeah. Most big cities will do.

Starting point is 03:15:42 Yeah, around the world. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Most big cities will do. Yeah. Around the world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Including like changeable weather. Although Brisbane is so nice and warm. Yeah. But we'll go to Dublin pretty soon or and their coffee is great. Their coffee is good, but their weather is it changes. Oh, it does change. Either of you have any fun facts about our town? I. McCafe started here, I'm pretty sure. Oh my God. You told us about that in the McCons episode.

Starting point is 03:16:10 I was born in Caen and I only lived there for four or five years, but I think that Dee from Neighbours was from there as well. I think I've looked up the Wikipedia page and the notable residents. I can't, I can't think of her actor's name. Is that Holly Valance was D? No, she was. I don't remember. I never watched it. I used to. D, I can't remember what D's real name is, but it does say Joe Kamalier is the only name that I recognise that is under Notable Residence, aka Jojo Zep, Maltese Australian singer-songwriter, front man of Jojo Zep and the Falcons and the Black Sorrows.

Starting point is 03:16:55 Dave, you've been tip-tapping away over there. Have you found any more? I also brought up the Wikipedia list for Eltham, the suburb that I grew up in. And I was like, scroll down to the bottom, notable residents, it's like, oh my God, no way. Alan White, the former drummer of Oasis was born in Eltham. Isn't that crazy? What?

Starting point is 03:17:16 And I was like, that's really, really surprising. And then I looked into it and I have loaded up the Wiki page for Eltham in South East London. Okay. Okay, okay. I was like, what? Well, we've got former Nettleville residents. Peter Hitchener. The Hitch?

Starting point is 03:17:33 The Hitch! You've met The Hitch before? You've partied with The Hitch. I've met The Hitch, he's lovely. It's great. I've also met Peter Hellier. Wow. So a few Peters.

Starting point is 03:17:41 Carrie Armstrong. Whoa, actress. Cadelle Evans. Cadelle? Tour of France winner. Alastair Knox. Whoa, actress. Caddell Evans. Caddell? Tour of France winner. Alastair Knox. That's how I say Tour de France. Tour de France.

Starting point is 03:17:49 The one from the Alastair Knox Park in Eltham, so that's why I know that one. So there you go, pretty good. Merrick Watts, another comedian. Will the Wild? Oh my God. Oh my God, who's from Jojo's Ebbing the Falcons? Really? Whoa!

Starting point is 03:18:03 Why do I ever run into him at Coles? That's crazy. Or at Sammy's Charcoal Chicken. Melbourne was originally named Batmania. Hey, that's a fun fact. That's cool. We had the first ever set of traffic lights in Australia. Really? And we have the largest tram system outside of Europe and the fourth largest in the world. Whoa! We act like it's the only city in the world. I grew up believing that was true. We're the only one with trams. There's so many tram systems around the world. We act like it's the only city in the world. I grew up believing that was true. We're the only one with trams. There's so many trams around the world. In Australia too.

Starting point is 03:18:29 Yeah. It's not even... Hang on, what? When did you get one of these? Oh, we've always had one. For about 180 years. Do you know, Condon seems to have also been home of Bill Farnham, Australia's second heavyweight boxing champion.

Starting point is 03:18:40 Wow. Like one of those guys who would front like this. Yeah. That's great. I reckon that's a fantastic answer for that question. Oh yes. We've absolutely nailed that. I think we've found many fun facts.

Starting point is 03:18:53 There's someone called Polly Hurrie. Anyway, great name. What are we doing? I'm feeling more lost than normal today. Jess was trying to move a little. Which is rare. It's rare that I do that. Oh yes, that's right. So the question was from Nick Verderosa,

Starting point is 03:19:09 official Yankee of the podcast. Yes, which I apparently agreed to seven years ago. I love that. Cause you would have been like, we got a listener in America? Yeah. And the next thing we like to do is shout out to a few of our other fantastic supporters.

Starting point is 03:19:24 Jess, you normally come up with a bit of a game. So today's episode was all about how America, the land of the free, did not allow people to drink alcohol. They kind of didn't anyway, for about 13 years, I think. So how about we come up with the thing that these people are trying to ban. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Love that. That's so good. So this is episode 472. Dave, do you want to give us the places? I'll give the names and Jess can give the... Oh, no.

Starting point is 03:19:54 How about... We always make you do it. How about Jess, you do the place. OK. Dave, do you want to do the band thing or the name? You do the band thing. I'll do the name. Yeah, sorry. I misunderstood what you said. thing. I was like the music thing? Yes. What they're trying to ban. Absolutely. So first up from Exeter in the UK.

Starting point is 03:20:13 It's Java. And Java was trying to ban olive oil. What? They only want like sesame oil or avocado oil. Wow. You only want the fancy oil. Yeah. Get rid of that olive oil says Java. And I'm like, okay. Olive oil can be expensive. Yeah. Really? And sometimes we try to use a bit of vegetable oil instead.

Starting point is 03:20:33 Ah, yes. And Java's like, yeah, that's great. Or butter. Okay. Yeah. There's other kinds of fat. Or just eat a banana. Cause Java is from Devon.

Starting point is 03:20:40 Also trying to ban people doing scones wrong, which is jam first. Uh, next up, where are they from Boppa? They are from Roslyn, also in the UK. It's Katrina McGuire. Katrina McGuire is trying to ban Shakespeare being taught in schools. Whoa, I agree. Too hard. Very complicated. It's a bit confusing.

Starting point is 03:21:03 I think it was, I mean, people make it out like it's really important and stuff. It's not. It's not. It's not important. That's, that's Katrina's main argument. If Shakespeare was alive today, he wouldn't have written like that. It's nonsense now. And if he did, people would be like, is everything okay?

Starting point is 03:21:21 Are you okay, the bard? It wouldn't be known as the bard. Imagine being a teacher having to teach Shakespeare, because you have to just stop every sentence and decipher it. Okay, so what he's saying there is, no man of woman born. So like no person who's been born from like a mother, like a woman, right? Two, but like, oh God, tedious.

Starting point is 03:21:41 Could technically be Caesarian though. Yeah. And as their eyes shift around the room. Yeah. But oh, hang on. I guess if you were born caesarian, maybe you're not. Maybe if you remember, there's a loophole there. Right in your mum's tummy. Next up from Dursley, also in Great Britain.

Starting point is 03:22:02 My goodness. It's Malika Lowry. Malika is trying to ban haircuts. Wow. Just let it grow. Just grow it out. What about trimming a beard? Nothing? Grow it out. Grow everything out. Exactly. I think I- Armpits?

Starting point is 03:22:15 Grow it out. So just like no trimming of hair at all. Malika had like one bad haircut and was like, that's it. I'm getting rid of this shit now. Shut Malika's New World Order. Pretty comfortable in there. Thank'm going to shut Malika's New World Order. Pretty comfortable in there. Thank you so much, Malika. Not from Romford.

Starting point is 03:22:29 Would you believe it? In Great Britain. It's Ayaz Tariq. Ayaz is trying to ban people wearing mismatched socks. Oh, they think it's disgusting. Ayaz, you would hate my husband. Yeah, never, never match it. No, never.

Starting point is 03:22:44 No, it sucks, my husband. Yeah, never, never. Yesterday. No, never. Ayaz socks always match. Yeah. But yesterday. Good one. I don't get it. He would just hate your husband. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 03:22:52 Just saying that. Just saying that. Oh, seriously. And that's probably fair too. Yesterday he had mismatched socks, but they both had sharks on them. Oh, that's cool. So they were matching in a way, but different shark socks. Yeah, but that's not good enough for Ayaz.

Starting point is 03:23:04 Ayaz would feel sick for them. Great. Do you know, I'm just looking up Ayoz the name. It means cool breeze or night breeze. Oh my God, that's beautiful. That's a great name. Fantastic name. Next up from Basildon in Great Britain.

Starting point is 03:23:24 Oh, it's Andrew Simmons. Andrew Simmons is trying to ban streaming services. Bring back the VHS. Andrew, he's going back. Yeah. Pre-DVD. DVDs banned. Blu-rays banned. Laser disc banned. VHS. Yes, please.

Starting point is 03:23:41 Beta? What does he sound on beta? Banned. Okay. Whoa. This guy's no, he's an alpha, but he sounds a- I don't know if I agree with this one, but okay, Andrew. It's going to take us a while for our brains to get used to the poor quality again. And having to rewind it. That's funny, I mean, I remember when VHS came in and I was like, wow, this is new.

Starting point is 03:24:03 This is fresh. This is hip. Yeah. But now looking back, watching old VHS occasionally, it is, it gives me a headache looking at it. Yeah, it hurts. So, OK, Andrew, but I don't know if we can support you on that mission. From Springwood in New South Wales, finally, one Australian, the rest all English. It's Monny Wazink. Monnie is trying to ban tattoo removal. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:24:30 Live with your decisions. Yes, yep. I get that. I'm guessing that this would have been around the time that we did a presale for Patreons for the UK tour. Ah, that makes sense. That does make sense. A lot of British.

Starting point is 03:24:48 A lot of people jumping on it. Whereas Monty just came in to support, the others are all trying to wet their beaks. Yeah. Trying to get cheap shit. I like the idea of wetting your beaks is a great term. I tried to squeeze it in where it didn't belong. Just like a wet bake. Again, we did it again.

Starting point is 03:25:06 I don't think it belonged there either. Where else we got? From Warrington in Great Britain. It's Billy Peacock speaking of wet bags. Billy Peacock is trying to ban goldfish as pets. Right. He wants you to let them free. Oh, straight into the-

Starting point is 03:25:23 Is it true that they get bigger if they're in a bigger thing? Or is that a myth? I don't know. How is that? And that's like a koi fit, like one of those koi buns is just a big- Yeah, why are you being so koi, Fish? Stuffing so koi. Stuffing so koi tells how you really feel.

Starting point is 03:25:36 Come on. Eh? Fishy. From Aberdeen. Aberdeen. In the UK. It's Mike Graves. Mike Graves, sorry, I'm trying to look up Goldfish now. Mike Graves is trying to ban the use of plastic flamingos.

Starting point is 03:25:55 Wow. Hates them. Tacky. Yes, but apparently that's one of those facts, there's more fake flamingos in America than real ones. That is a wild fact. That is sad. That's a sad fact. That is sad. That's a sad fact.

Starting point is 03:26:05 Yeah, okay, Mike's just really into interior design and is like, it's time. Okay, that's- It's over. Flamingos are, they're in the past. Yep. Let's leave them there. Are flamingos from America though? Yeah, I think you're like Miami area, can't they be?

Starting point is 03:26:20 Yeah, right, there you go. Can't they be? Can't they be? Geez, can't they be? Miami area, can't they be? Who we got bringing up Can't they be? Geez, can't they be? Miami area, can't they be? Who are we bringing up the rear here? They're native to Florida, but disappeared from the state around the turn of the 20th century. What?

Starting point is 03:26:33 But after 1925, people started to captive colonies of flamingos in South Florida, including a breeding colony, which still remains. Wow. You know, they get their color from the algae they ate or whatever. Is that there? Yeah. Oh. Might not be algae, but it's some sort of, maybe the krill or the krull.

Starting point is 03:26:50 Really? Or the... Something like that. Something, some little thing. And finally, from Birmingham in Great Britain. It's Eloise Tregortha. Eloise is trying to ban the use of pens because they keep all the school excursions where to the Birmingham Pen Museum.

Starting point is 03:27:08 And she's a left hander. Taking a stance against it. Yeah. Stop rubbing it in my face that I rub ink all over the page. Okay. It's very tricky. Eloise Trogorthos. That is a fantastic name. Thank you so much, Eloise, Mike, Billy, Monnie, Andrew, Ayaz, Malika, Katrina and Jarvo.

Starting point is 03:27:26 And the last thing we need to do is welcome a few into our Triptych Club. Triptych Club, Dave, explains so well. This is our Hall of Fame. The long term supporters of the show that have been supporting the show for three consecutive years at the shout out level or above. We welcome them into our clubhouse where we serenade them with music. We serve them food and drink. We provide them entertainment. We provide them a place to sleep if they need it. Yeah. Well, they do need it because they're not allowed to leave. Yeah, they are. You do live here now. That's absolutely right.

Starting point is 03:28:01 And I don't think- have we ever mentioned this before that it is a Hall of Fame and everyone gets a painted portrait of themselves down the hall. Yes, we've got the same artist that did Shane Mourn's mural that he put together of him hanging out with, you know, Chris Martins, Mark Tysons. Jack Nicholson. Yeah, that's right. So we get that same great artist to paint you onto the wall. And now there's a thousand faces on that video. Yeah. It's pretty awesome.

Starting point is 03:28:32 It's beautiful. Pretty amazing stuff. It's overwhelming. So try and spot yourself up there, find yourself up there. There's a big wall. Take a moment with it. Like just, yeah, really like soak it in. I'm just having a look where we're only a year away from the first people being inducted into the TripTripDitch Club.

Starting point is 03:28:47 The nine years of support, which is why we're busily working on it. It's being built at the moment. That's why you might notice some scaffolding up. That is a new separate extra area for the TripTrippers. But they're not going to be starting to be inducted until November 20, 20 for the infinity pool is looking great. It is looking so good. That is complete. But you are not allowed. No. Well, not some of you will. We are. I mean, we've been here from day one. Yeah. Nobody has supported us no longer than we've been here. I don't think so. It's not possible.

Starting point is 03:29:26 Maybe Evan Munro Smith. Evan Munro Smith. Evan can be in the pool. Yeah. Yeah, we'll put him in. Put him in the pool. He's fully dressed. There you go. All right. So we've got three names to be inducted this week. But before we get there, Jess, you're behind the bar.

Starting point is 03:29:42 Are you serving anything up in the club? Certainly not. No. Because of prohibition. Yes. That's not- Jess is winking, actually. No, I don't have anything secret. You don't know about this, but a lot of the moonshine killed people. What?

Starting point is 03:29:56 Yeah. Serving anything like that. No. No. Okay. That's probably good. I think nothing is better than that. People were desperate to have a drink. It was kind of wild. I have got moonshine, but it is too hot. Oh my god, hot moonshine. It won't kill you. Well, unless you have it right away.

Starting point is 03:30:12 It will be. It's very hot. You've got to let it cool down. Okay. And Dave, have you booked a band? Yes. Coming in this week, I mean, one of the all-time greats, we've got Iggy Pop. Whoa. Lust for life. Lust for life. that's right. Are you going to be my dog? That was just a question, Dave.

Starting point is 03:30:30 Well, I don't want to be it. Seek and destroy, or search and destroy. I get Metallica's one and there's confused. And he's going to be doing solo stuff and also Stooge stuff. Is he going to be doing Candy, the duet with maybe one of the B-52s? I don't know. Who was that with? Candy, candy, candy, I can't let you go.

Starting point is 03:30:55 I don't know it, no. Oh my, oh, oh, maybe I will. When I hear the actual song. Oh yes. It would be so long to realise. I like genuinely, I was fully an adult before I realised that it wasn't coincidental that no one could ever recognise the song I was trying to tell them. So I don't sound anything, but I feel like, no, why do you, no, you know this song.

Starting point is 03:31:19 Kind of like, no idea. Honestly, it would have been like a hundred people going before I eventually went, Oh, I don't sound like I think I sound. Yeah, your whole life. Yeah. Oh, you know, kinda, kinda, kinda. You know, like singing some of the most famous songs of it. Let it be. Like, not even, even the words aren't helping.

Starting point is 03:31:43 You're making it sound so different that the words sound like different words. I know the Beatles let it be, but that's not that. No, it must be different. What are you talking about? So we've got three inductees this week. Dave, did you say yes? Iggy Pop. Iggy Pop. Also, maybe most famously as the rage intro.

Starting point is 03:32:04 I'm a real wild one. Wild one. And he's crawling around and stuff. What a performance. All right. So, Dave, you ready? Absolutely. You're up on the stage. You're hyping them up.

Starting point is 03:32:15 Please hang around, everybody, for Iggy Pop. Sorry, Dave, if you can just come a bit closer. I can't reach your butt. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Jeez, how's your father?

Starting point is 03:32:25 First up from Talare. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Oh, jeez, how's your father? First up from Talare. Oh. In California, yeah, it's Candice Harrison. Candice Harris, son of a preacher man. Woo! Candy, candy, candy. I hope you don't mind me calling you candy. Candice Harrison, am I right in thinking that she's the one who has made the doc of things I've said not right? I believe so, yes. Matt misremembers.

Starting point is 03:32:49 Doing God's work, which you can find in the Patreon Facebook group. I'd also love to welcome in, thank you so much for your support from New York, New York, it's James Lee. I want to James Lee. Oh my God. Yes. That is easily the best you've ever done.

Starting point is 03:33:08 I agree. I don't need to hype him at all. That was perfection. Yeah, that felt good. Was that accidental? That felt good. That was fantastic. Oh my god.

Starting point is 03:33:16 I've been waiting years for that James Lee. Such a shame that you got one more to go. I know. Why can't we go? I mean, I've gone for the musical theme, so let's try and keep it going. Alright, here we go. And finally, from Newcastle Steel City in New South Wales, it's Jess Evans. Seventh Jess Evans.

Starting point is 03:33:36 Yeah, no, it was, James Lee was the best. Ah, buying a stairway to Jess Evans. Yeah, yeah. Slathered Jess Evans. And it's climbing a stairway, Jess Evans. Pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Slaster Jess Evans. And do climbing a stairway Jess Evans. Pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. Well the way Jess did it was. Yeah, the way I fixed it was pretty good, yes. You slid a few puzzle pieces across to Jess. I wrote it, you just performed it. You said it. Can you make this make sense? You gave her a muddled up Rubik's Cube and she did that blindfold thing with one hand.

Starting point is 03:34:08 You think that was okay. I don't think I know. You've hit a nerve. You've hit a nerve. Welcome in Jess and I'm so sorry Dave, peaked early. James and Candy Candice. I want to James Lee. Let's not forget it. All that brings us to the end of the episode.

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Do Go On - 472 - Prohibition in the USA (with Nick Mason)

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