Do Go On - 49 - Charles Manson

Episode Date: September 28, 2016

This week, we go all creepy and murdery and look at the life of Charles Manson and his murderous cult The Manson Family. 'How can you make that topic funny?' we hear you ask! We can't! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. Hello and welcome to do go on! This is the show where we talk about a thing and then we all chat about it as well. I wish I actually I'm son of misdaif. Yeah, he's very good at doing bit. You're doing better, but he's he is much better at it It's my right-hand man. It's just Perkins. Hello, Matt Stewart. You didn't choose yourself either. Hi, Matt Stewart. Jesus, Louise. No, no, no, he is a tricky gig. He's really he's missed He's missed to be honest. I'm playing it up. I'm playing it up like just to make Dave if he's out there listening

I just wanted him to think that we miss him. I haven't noticed. I'm right here guys I'm underneath the table the whole time. Yes the man with a golden tonsils Is that describe myself this back ladies and gentlemen? Welcome to do go on I'm gonna start the intro again because of Matt's effort there She's the man with the golden tonsils is peaking the audio there Well the man a bit too enthusiastic well the man with the golden tonsils was just playing with what he thought was a piece of Blue tech on the table but then mint started coming out of it and I realized that it's someone's discarded chewing gum Oh God really yeah, that's right there. I feel like it's gone.

That's a brand new table. What's it gonna say? This table's been here very long at all. It's the brand new studio. Usually it's a custom for people to put the gum under the table if they have to dispose of it, but on the table so that I can play with. The only people who have been in here so far Dave Callan, his sensei and Aunty Donna. Oh, I'm doing Auntie Donna for sure. Interesting, we went different risks. Because of the surgeon. But okay, hey, Dave, welcome back.

Oh, thank you guys. It's so good to be back after my school. Yeah, how school? Oh, sorry. Hyal, Warnaky. Well, I did listen to the episodes that were recorded while so was away and let me tell you that I was in no way at any of the Nazi camps that were mentioned

about six or 700 times in the last episode. I was driving my car going no, no, no, that no, not the not Nazi camps, Nazi university. Yeah, there's a difference Dave. I was in no, no Nazi based institutions. Okay, well that's fine. I mean, great to disagree. You don't have anything to prove that, but look I've got many photos of me with pies all around Europe. You can't find out. It's right. That's right. It is good to be back. Have you been well without the golden tonsils? Well, it's not cool. It hasn't been the same. It's been nice though because we have had a couple of guests come on which has been very nice of them to come and

Come and hang out with us and and people have really enjoyed their presence I don't know how that makes you feel depressing. I have had Broden Kelly and Nick Mason killed So they will not be coming back fair enough. That means there's an opening in Antidonna now. It's Perkins time to shine I know all their sketches. I've also killed the other two members of the camera. Just so that there's no possible way they could replace me in the future. Wow, all right. Smart play.

You got to strike first. Yeah, OK. All you need to talk about that after the show, maybe. But I'm a little bit worried about you now. But I do have a bit of time, obviously, away to think about my actions in the last episode I recorded when I talked about River Dance. Oh my goodness, don't bring up that.

Don't leave. I mean, you broke Jess's heart. It's in the past. But you, Jess, I don't think you've mentioned that you actually saw River Dance since that last episode. I haven't actually talked about that. No, I did say it and it was amazing. And I was sitting in the theatre and I was like, all right we go, whatever, I've seen this before, no big deal

And I think you'd got in my head and I was like, this is pretty lame, my water's going on here, and then The lights went down and the music started, like got a little bit teary And I was like, no it's still magical, it was great, I really enjoyed it. So you cried at the start? Yeah Oh my god, I'm so happy So you cried at the start? Yeah. Oh, it's a whole market of a high piece of art. Normally people don't cry until they realize that it paid money to see

dancing, which normally happens after it starts. But now, that's a joke, I'm not warna-key-ish. Yeah, I'm just gonna say completely silent. I'm smart decision. I regret everything I've said on my episode. Good thing is, I don't think you can really tease me for my topic today. Great. Do you know what I mean?

You're not passionate about this topic. No, I'm not passionate about this topic. It's fascinating. Is it from the hat? It is from the hat. That gets you excited, man. Of course it does. The hat is so full, we need to work together.

Well, I don't remember the time we had it, Oh, River dance wasn't in the hat, but apart from that Running wasn't okay, not well. Yeah, three of the last three. I'm sorry. Yep Perkins to the point, but I mean we didn't we didn't know how brodan to put his hand in the hat No, yeah, you can't see the hat. No, you can't see I don't know where his hands have been I know a minor man. On Brodans chewing gum. So my hands do smell minty fresh everyone. It's quite a balance between disgusting and beautiful. It really does look like blue tack though. It does. I reckon it is. It's a minty blue tack. Is there a thing that can be a thing? Sure is.

Hey, so Dave, I don't know if you might be a bit rusty, but we normally kick off the show with a bit of a question by the report rider and that's going to have something to do with the topic at hand. Yeah. And then we, you and I, will deliberate, will answer. I'll probably get it right and you'll probably fumble about like a little Nazi fool and... Hang on. Go on, no do go on. And then we'll get cracking on the show, that's how it works. You have been away a couple of weeks,

so it's good to have you back. It's good to be back. I feel calm or in your presence. Yeah, I feel like, you know, the captain of the ship is back. Yeah, the dad's back, he's one of the dad's back. Dad's back, good to have you back. But does this dad have golden tonsils?

Yes. Thank you, thank you. Golden tonsil boy. Little golden boy. Tonsil Dad. Reporting for Judy as your captain. I'm actually collecting captain came in reporting for Judy. Everyone's like no you don't have to report you. We report to you. We report to you. We're very well. We're good. We're going. I didn't I didn't write a question. Oh, OK. Great.

Well, you could have used that fluff time there that Matt McPray had. I could have, yes. But instead, I thought, no, I'm going to be honest with our listeners, because they're our friends. And I'm- No, I lied to my- I lied to the listeners. And we'll be honest and say, this one's been put together rather frantically and recently. So-

So a little change, a little change up?, normally. I really put so much effort in But you know what's interesting is that nobody ever like corrects us And I don't mean to invite that don't but I would have thought considering it is surprising that we've never had even like We've only ever had one person complain that we you got a date wrong about the Beatles early on but apart from that 49 episodes. I honestly thought that we would get every week about 10 people going, well actually it was October the 7th, not the 8th. Actually it was this person.

Well you know why that is though, it's because we're body bang on every time. That's right, exactly. We are inviting it now on We Bus. I think at Listeners are just on board with the fact that we're just like telling a story ish. Yes, we think that to be a professor in fields. No, I'm not like don't use this for you. I mean you are a professor of podcasting. Yeah, Doctor of podcasting.

So, well if I do my time I could work my way up to be a professor. Professor. I would have thought is professor above doctor? No definitely. Really? Yeah, at a university you become associate professor and then you become a professor. I would have thought is professor above doctor. Oh definitely really? Yeah at a university You become associate professor and then you become full professor. Oh, hello Wowes is and when do you become a doctor at university? Once you've done your doctorate which you do before your professor

I understand but then after a professor you become a mr. No, that's not true You become a master then you become a master. Then you become a pilot. And then you become a small child. Mm-hmm. Then you're in bus style. And the cycle starts again. So this is a pilot in my teen years. So that's what I was just working backwards in my...

Yeah, yeah. It's the circle of tertiary education. Anyway, the question, gentlemen, is who is the creepiest man in American history? Michael Jackson. No, no. The creepiest thinking more along. Are they serial killer?

We get a lot of serial killer. No, no. The Zodiac killer. Not in. I just realized I was nodding on a podcast. Are they serial killer? Cause we'd get a lot of serial killer. Oh, serial killer. Oh no, the, the, the, the, Zodiac killer. I just realized I was nodding on a podcast. It's actually very disturbing. How many people tweet in saying, do more serial killer.

So it's like it's, I'd say probably 20 different people have requested serial killer. I agree that that's disturbing. But then I was like, yes, cause this is a topic I wrote down when we started this podcast that I wanted to do. And I was like, it's a bit dark. I don't know if I can do it. And then somebody's putting in the hat and like, well, you know, the people that I was like it's a bit dark I don't know if I can do it and then somebody's putting in the hat like well

Is it a famous one John Wayne Gacy no Thinking a little bit Coltie as well The guy's man He's got his watch stickers on his head doesn't he? Tattoo on his head. Yeah, that's Mm-hmm. Tattooed on his head. Yeah, that's just like Davey Warnakie. I do not have a swastika tattooed anywhere in my body. It's on his butt.

There's not on my butt. It's in his butt. It's in his butt. I think your tattoo is just cute things like zebras. That's it. Yeah, it's a bit cute. Um. No, it's his zebras.

Charles Manson. Well, he's stunning. Charles Manson. Um, I've always been a little bit fascinated by Charles Manson. I think a lot of people are, sort of like a lot of serial killers. No, I must admit that I am fascinated by serial killers, but then I'm not going, why did I read that entire with the article? Exactly, and just this one's so interesting because he created this cult following. And you just, oh, I'm always so fascinated with how somebody can have that level of charm

and convince people to sort of believe them and follow them and do awful things for them. I think it just comes naturally to some people. For example, the man with the golden tonsils. I would not kill anybody for you. Really? What if they were harming me? I'm not harming you. Thank you. Good. I defend you because you'd need it, Dev. What do you kill for me? What's the scenario? Somebody's trying to hear me. Matt, what do you kill for me? What's the scenario? Somebody's trying to hear me. I just said, can you kill for me? No. Probably not.

Oh, well, I mean, have I had some drinks? Yeah. Yeah, you've had a couple of beers on the foot of the... Are you ready? I'm very suggestible after a few drinks. Are you paying him? Because Matt and I are both quite broken at the moment. Super poor.

So is there money up for grabs or money bags, golden tonsils over there? You advertising your services as a hitman? No, I'm just asking for the more context in the situation where you're asking us to murder for you. I don't think it's, you're not really a cult leader, you have to pay. That's the difference. Ah, okay.

If you don't have to pay, you won't know. I'm not following you in a cult. Yeah, I'm so sorry Dave, you had no Charles Manson. Sorry buddy. Well, in any ways, I'm not following you in the cult. Yeah, I'm so sorry Dave, you are no Charles Manson. Sorry buddy. Well in any ways I'm disappointed. I don't think you should be. This one was suggested by Corey Cavendor. It's at Caveman Curry on Twitter, so thank you Corey.

Caveman Curry. That sounds delicious, doesn't it? Cavendor, I'm sorry if I said that wrong Corey. So thank you for suggesting. Thank you Corey, you sick bastard. Thank you Corey. No, it's awesome because like I said, this is one of thank you for suggesting. Thank you Corey, you sick bastard. Thank you Corey. No, it's awesome. Because like I said, this is one of the first things I wrote down in my little notes.

So when we invited you to be part of the podcast, you instantly thought Charles Manson. Not. And excuse the research. I wasn't like, oh, I got a message from Matt Stewart. What's this? My podcast. Charles Manson. No, it wasn't quite that quick.

But is it like a passion for you like River Dances, Charles Manson and the Nancy family. It's not a passion. You did your first topic was the Beatles, right? Yeah. It's a little, it's like some little Beatles version. Yeah, which I wasn't actually fully aware of. I'd heard bits, but it's interesting that it does sort of tie in, so yeah, there you go. Beatles kind of ties in with everything. That's true. But also, what's that sort of? The Beach Boys. The Beach true. But also the beach boys. The beach boys, yes, the beach boys are mentioned. What are they cool? There's a, it's a, it's a, it's a strange and terrifying person. So this one's going to be nice and light and super fun. Right. Good luck finding some comedy in this one boys. It's not my fault I'm the presenter.

Cory's fault. Thanks Cory. Bye. Okay, back to our. So I'll start with a little bit of, of a backstory of Charles Manson. Maybe we can have a look into, thanks Cory, bye. Okay, man, go hurry. So I'll start with a little bit of a backstory of Charles Manson, maybe we can have a look into, you know, the psychology of this person. I'm sure we can. I think you're about to tell us he had a great childhood. I'm confident. Yeah, that's what's weird.

He had like heaps of siblings, and they all had a great time. He had an excellent education, loving parents. I'm lying Dave. You cannot pick sarcasm sometimes. Any of that true. Your little face is just like, blah! But why would they lie? None of that is true. So he was born in 1934 to an unmarried 16 year old named Kathleen Maddox.

In Ohio, we're a lot of our listeners are from. Most of our listeners are from. Yeah, I'm sure that too. We're a lot of our listeners are from. My list of our listeners are from. You should have that to a whole. Hi, hi, hi. We're all the great serial killers of history. Just if any of you are also born at the General Hospital in Cincinnati, congrats. You're in the same hospital as Charles Manson, so that's your resume. Imagine if you put that on the resume. Yeah.

You're brackets. Charlie Manson was born here. That big deal. Pretty cool. I should be the CEO of your company. Charlieon. Oh, you just given him a cute nickname No people well Dave tends to sympathize with his kind of people people. Yeah, that's true People jokingly do call him Charlie Manson right not jokingly if you name Charles. I'm sure you'll get called Charlie It's a very good job. It's like how I get called Jess hilarious

Oh, that is good. Well, my name's Jessica. If you were a scary person, it might be a little funnier. Oh, okay. So, Charlie's kind of endearing. Context is all. Okay, no fair enough. But originally though, he was named no name of Maddox. He wasn't named for a while. Is that the default note? No, no. I don't know. Well, I don't think she wrote down on his birth certificate, no name, but he was, they were in the hospital, they probably would just call them baby medics or no name or something. You know, anyway. And within a few weeks he was named

Charles Miles Maddix. So, Maddix is a nice name. Maddix is cool. For one of the brangelinas kids. So, Max is a nice name. Max is cool. Um, for one of the Brangelina's kids. Ah, yes, very good. Oh, topical. That's right. Bloody, I tell you what, like I make a look, none of us can. Right.

I'm gonna stay single and lonely forever, I tell you that, for sure. It's the only way to know. So you're gonna start telling relatives that family gathering? Yeah. So you're still single, Jess? Brangelina didn't work out, so yes. Yeah, like, yes, anti-ros. Of course I am.

God, stop asking. How about you just assume and I'll tell you when it's not the case? Yes. Now for a period after Charles's birth, his mother was married to a labourer named William Manson, so that's where he got his surname Manson. Um, his biological father, it's kind of disputed, but it appears to be Colonel Walker Scott. But again, he never knew his biological father

and there's been arguments as to who his real father was. So we're not 100% sure. I feel like Colonel Walker Scott probably would have said that wasn't me It was on me because he's like shaggy But if you become a billionaire, you probably would have said he was yeah, he's my yeah, he's my dip It isn't it. That's my boy. It's funny. That's funny I mean, I think my most fatherless children either go one way or the other billionaire serial killer Yeah, yeah, that's true.

That is true. Is that a fact? That is a hundred percent fact. Okay. So like the dispute about his father, there's a lot of his early life that we don't have a lot of answers for because of the varying stories that he's offered in interviews over the years. So nobody really knows exactly what his sort of situation was. His mother was allegedly a heavy drinker, and based on like, you know, future things that sort of happened at that kind of makes sense. But no, just because like he spends a lot of time in foster care and in that of juvenile haunt, stuff like that.

So she wasn't great. She wasn't a great mum. Because apparently once she sold her son for a picture of beer to a childless waitress a picture of beer Disadwining with that beer. I'll trade it for that beer. All right brings it over Good have another one every time For a jug of beer Matthew. What happened to the, did he stay with the waitress? No, his uncle had to go and get him a few days later.

But he still stayed with the waitress for a few days. Because Mum was like, free beer, you know what? Mum's a time gone. Good trade. Good trade. Worth it. Do that again a second. Being of a nag's me.

So it's pretty bad. So his mother and her brother were sentenced to five years in prison for robbing a service station in West Virginia in 1939 by brandishing a ketchup bottle. I stand back or else, squirt. It's a squeezy bottle. It's not even glass. Amazing. Oh no, I'm wearing white. No. I'm going to get a work after this. I'm already at work. I'm going to work at the service station. So they went to...

Five years has been much. Like surely the judge was laughed at one other court. Well, is that rubbing? Like... Well, if they got away with stuff, who knows. They may have had other weapons, but they certainly had a ketchup bottle. I think in this situation the least, unless you know the best,

the most important thing is that you know the best. I think that's the best thing. I think that's the best thing. Like, well, if they got away with stuff, who knows. They may have had other weapons, but they certainly had a ketchup bottle. I think in this situation the least, the less you know the better. They forgot to mention that she was holding a hand grenade. Yeah, as well. A hand grenade. Which, hand grenade at a petrol station is a pretty dangerous combo. Yeah, mats.

Add sauce in there. Ooh, I like to think that maybe she ordered a meat pie and then they asked her to pay for sauce And that was a little too much. No fair enough. She got her own bottle off the shelf. I hate paying for sauce It's ridiculous bloody bullshit, but I mean what I'm high that bullshit It's that you pay for everything else, but as you come with the sauce So you should it should just be factored in.. But then you thought you'd be on side here. Yeah, Matt, you're such an Aussie blooper. I'm such an Aussie blooper.

You're a betler. You should be like, you should get some of the sources you want, though. Sure, but I mean. You were a driver. Why are we paying for your sauce? Yeah. Who's we?

OK, well, I don't think those are. Who's we? You don't have sauce. The taxpayers, the taxpayers. So you're the better. I'm very conservative. there's a rebate from the government on source anyway It does feel like as someone doesn't want source rights so they have to they just factor that 10 cents into the price And then everyone's paying for source either way But you don't want source no, but it's never 10 cents. It's usually like 30 or 50

Yeah, what I think they should have is those communal bottles. I'm sorry, I can't begin with the communal bottles. I don't like the communal bottles. Yeah, because you had sharing, you bloody bloody right winged bastard. No source for anyone. Really picked up a counter today. Yeah, it's weird that you're against it.

Usually you're like, no, fuck the patriarchy. And it's made that turns on thing, but you've turned on source. And also the little packages are like way shitter for the environment Then if communal bottle, but that's what I'm about You're on to the environment and pay up and you commies. Yeah Free source is quite communist it really is yeah source for all anyway. Can I go on sure?

Text in what you think yeah free hashtag hashtag free source. Is this a problem overseas? In Ohio, do you have a store? Catch up? If you get a hot dog. Nice. Should you pay for source? Catch up. Catch up. Sorry.

Yeah, they've been googling what tomato sauce means over in the medical store. What sauce? Tomato sauce made in America. Catch up is a more fun word. Catch up is a bit different to our tomato sauce anyway. Oh is it? Ketchup is like a bit more of a vinaigrette and sort of yeah it's good.

It's good. Tomato sauce is, I mean it's the best thing that's ever existed but. You've drunk drinking a little cup of it now. Anyway so mum's in prison and right probably so. Right probably so. No I don't think she should be in prison. I'm sorry to hear that My mom's in prison. Can I go on with the podcast? No, my mom is a saint and he would never do anything that would put her in prison Also, if she went to prison. Oh my god, she'd be someone's bitch within seconds I'm probably like willingly should be like do you want me to wash your socks for you?

Like can I help you she's so lovely? You have a strange misunderstanding of what prison bitch means. No, I know. Yeah. Now she'd probably be like everybody's. I really don't want to imagine the situation because as I said she's not delight. Now when Manson's mum was paroled from prison that she was in, unlike my mum who's an angel, she was paroled in 1942. She retrieved her son from the aunt and uncle that he was living with and she lived with him in a series of rundown hotel rooms. Manson himself later remembered her physical embrace of him on the day she returned from prison as his soul happy childhood memory. The only good memory has is the hug when he's mum got out of prison. Ooh, boy. What about, I think I mentioned it costs a lot more

to live in several, even shit hotels and just rent in one small apartment. Okay, Dave. I think. There's a lot of questions here. And if people had free sauce, there wouldn't be any Charles Manson's in the world, is that what I'm saying?

Wow, wow. The real mark drop on that one. I mean you can't drop the mic as they're attached to the table and... Well, I could pull a Brun Kelly river over. Yeah, which one was that? Is this one, isn't it? It's the one I met because there's a hole there. Fucking Kelly. We'll be invoicing your mate.

Anyway, in 1947 Kathleen Maddox tried to have her son placed in a foster home, but failed because no such home was available. So she was trying to take them away. Yeah, but she was like, I can't take them. I don't know the reason why, but let's assume she was like, I can't take care of him. She's trying to put him in foster home. There's nowhere available. There's nobody can take him.

I think she wanted them to also have beer involved in the trade somehow. Probably. And they're like, no, that's not how it works. Child services were not up for that. So he was placed in a school for boys in Indiana. And after 10 months, he fled there to be with his mother, but she rejected him.

Oh my God. Yeah, so he's only, this is 1947. And he's only like 13? 13 at this point. Oh my god. So then he burglarizes a liquor store, and that way sort of gets some money to rent a room, and it commits a string of burglaries of other stores. Using what weapon?

Um, oh look, who knows? Mustard. It's burglaries. They're's almost in the study with the mustard. He stole a bicycle and he was eventually caught in the act and sent to an Indianapolis juvenile center. He escaped after one day but was recaptured and placed in Boy's Town which is like a like a boy's home. Sounds like a boy band. I know I thought that too. And then it made me look up Boy's Town, which is like a boy's home. Sounds like a boy band. I know, I thought that too.

And then it made me look up Boy's Town, Boy Town, which was the same film. There was a film called Boy Town. Yeah, I looked that up. I'm Mick Maloy. Mick Maloy, Bob Franklin. Wine Hope. Ah, so good.

Very good. Very fun. So I was watching that trailer on YouTube for a bit, and then I went back to researching. So check that out if you want to it's pretty funny well don't I'm sorry at the movies remember was it good at the time I really

It's like 12 years ago something so I remember it but I wasn't I don't think it was well loved by the critics off because it was kind of the full off track adj. Oh, and a strange film not loved by the critics. Crackage act was went off right, everyone loved it. Crackage act was good. Yeah, but then I think people would disappointed by Boy Town. But I can't remember. With that cast, how could you go wrong? I love Wayne Hoops so much.

Yeah, Wayne Hoops is very funny. Oh, Wayne Hoops, great. They're all great. Bob Franklin. Oh, look, that's all of them. The man, the legend. Yeah, Wayne Hope is very funny. Oh, Wayne Hope's great. They're all great. Bob Franklin. Oh, look, that's all of them. The man, the legend. Yeah, totally. Anyway, four days after he arrived at Boys Town, not the band, he escaped with another boy

and the pair committed two armed robberies on their way to the home of the other boys' uncles. So they're like, hey, let's just go to Stoom Uncle's place. Do you want to rob some stuff on the way? Yeah, all right. So they were caught during the, let's just go to Stoeman, cause players do you want to rob some stuff on the way? Yeah, right. So they were caught during the second of the break-ins. It was at a grocery store. And Manson was sent to the Indiana Boys School

where he would later claim that he was sexually and physically abused. So he's not having a great time in life. He's only 13 still. Oh. After many failed attempts, he escaped with two other boys in 1951. So by now he's 17. In Utah, the three were caught driving to California in cars that they'd stolen.

Well, they got to convoy. They don't get into one. Maybe there's two cars on the road. They drive like side by side. It's pretty easy to get pulled to open. Yeah, you can't do that, I mean. Okay, sorry. So they'd rubbed several petrol stations along the way. Now for the federal crime of taking a stolen car

across the state line, Manson was sent to Washington DC's National Training School for Boys. And despite having like four years of schooling and an IQ of 109, he was tested later. And 109 being pretty average, like a fairly good intelligence, not incredible, but not. Is 100 average, is that right? Is that how the scale works? I think so. I googled like 100 and IQ of 109 and that's, it's pretty average.

Pretty normal. He has been accepted in many schools. So many schools, they're not the nicest schools, they're like juvenile centers, but they're still schools. And several boy band academies. So he's really very talented. He's got that. But what they're saying is despite like having not much schooling and but still having an okay IQ, he was illiterate. And it kind of. So it's kind of choosing not to learn really. Yeah, well, I suppose like nobody really paid attention to him to teach him Oh, I don't sympathize with him Jess. No, I don't care

How could you not so far? No, but I like because we know what he goes on to do. I shouldn't Anyway a case worker deemed him aggressively anti-social and I kind of looked up anti-cial personality disorder. It's a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for or violation of the rights of others. So it's like no sense, moral sense or conscious is often apparent as well as a history of crime, legal problems and or impulsive and aggressive behaviors that kind of makes sense.

So, okay, not giving a further. No fucks given. That was the time, my diagnosis, no fucks given. Then he puts on his son, he says, yes, it will try his way. In October of 1951, on a psychiatrist recommendation, Manson was transferred to natural bridge on a camp, which was a minimum security institution. Oh, I know, he's graduating with honors. Wow.

Yeah. They give these places quite nice names, or also like academy. Yeah, they sound nice. Honor institute, but really it's a jail. Yeah, it's a minimum security institution, yeah. And has any escape like 12 times? Why is he in minimum security?

Yeah. Right, OK. Is he going to get away again? Well, less than a month before a scheduled parole hearing, one of the boys there apparently took a razor blade and held it against another boy's throat while Manson sexually assaulted him. So he's got a month before his parole.

And he attacks somebody in the prison. So he was then transferred to the federal reformatory in Virginia, where he was considered dangerous. Oh, do you reckon? Do you reckon you might be a mid-dangerous? We could have maybe picked up on that a little while ago, okay. I wouldn't have put him in minimum security. Oh, okay. I wouldn't have put him in minimum security.

He was then in September of 52, so like a bit later that year, he'd had a number of serious disciplinary offenses, and so they transferred him again to a different federal reformatory in Ohio. Shout out to Ohio. Back to Ohio, so maybe you've been to the same reformatry.

Hey, tweeting. Boy Town Academy for Excellence. It was a more secure institution, so the bit more high security. So like the paparazzi can't come in and take photos of the young superstars of tomorrow. Just while he's trying to learn. To learn. Jazz, Taff and Bello. Yeah, he's got classes, guys.

Triple Threat. You got to to be he's quite triple threatening To other people in the prison. Oh boy Now that's interesting though is about a month after the transfer he became almost a model Residence like he he behaved himself. So he started modeling as well. He's had a modeling quadriple threat. He's got it all He's got the look. What, sorry, how has he transformed? He had just had good work habits.

There was a rise in his educational level from like a lower fourth grade sort of level to seventh grade. In a month? In a couple of years. All right, sorry. Man, that a couple years later, in 1954, he was granted parole. So a couple of years. All right, sorry. That a couple of years later, in 1954, he was granted parole. So he's now 20.

And he's finally out. So he spent most of his childhood in and out of foster homes, family homes, and institutions. Right. So he temporarily... So the parole condition was that he had to live with his aunt and uncle in West Virginia

and he did that for a while until eventually he moved in with his mother who was also in West Virginia. And in 1955 he married a hospital waitress named Rosalie Jean Willis with whom by his own account he found genuine if-short-lived marital happiness. So he was happy, he's married, he supported their marriage via small-time jobs and auto theft, but to have jobs and theft and sell some cars. Oh no Charlie. And around October, about three months after he and his pregnant wife had arrived in Los Angeles. In a car he had stolen in Ohio. He was again charged with

the federal kind of taking a vehicle across state lines. But after a psychiatric evaluation he was given five years probation, so it's like you're not going to prison but you've just got to behave yourself. But he failed to appear at a Los Angeles hearing on an identical charge filed in Florida, so then he's arrested in Indianapolis. It's just a mess. His probation's revoked. He sentenced to three years in prison at Terminal Island in California. Terminal Island, does that sound fun to you day? That one sounds less fun. You could even call it a boy band album that. No, you could Terminal Island. And sink Terminal Island. Oh, what's that? Terrible actually. Do you think? Yeah, I'd listen to that

But maybe the the bad boy of the boy band like his hometown could be terminal island Yeah, his fictional backstory. Yeah, there that works Otherwise, not so good While while Charles is in prison Rosalie gave birth to their son Charles Manson, Jr During his first year not a good name. Bet he changes his name. Yep. First year at Terminal Island. And his mum visits, because his wife and mother are living together in Los Angeles.

In March of 1957, when the visits for his wife stopped, his mum informed him that Rosalie was living with another man. And less than two weeks before a parole hearing, Manson tried to escape by stealing a car. He was had he tried to escape okay he escaped and stole a car somehow so then he's given five years probation and his parole's denied so every time it gets close to him getting out he acts out which is a little bit strange. He... It's almost like he doesn't want to leave Terminal Island. Yeah, well there was... I mean it's such an excessive, a great place.

Well, so it'd be very difficult to drive a car off an island, I imagine. I'm picturing it like a fun fair, like a, you know, like, Coney Island or something like that. Oh, yeah. I thought I had it written down, but written down but there was some sort of point where I don't remember exactly where it was but he did ask to stay. Yeah right. So it must be nice.

I still enjoyed running the rollercoaster. Terminal, that's where you go to to leave somewhere right? You go to the terminal. Yeah like airports, ferry terminals. I just want to leave the terminal. That's fair enough. I like terminals sometimes. It's fun. There's some good cafes there. Yeah I'd want to leave the terminal. That's fair enough. I like terminals sometimes. It's fun.

There's some good cafes there. Yeah, I'd say Seattle with the time. It would feel like you're constantly about to go somewhere. Right. I'm about to leave this terminal. And it's all about, you know, like the anticipation. That's all I've all about in the end. So I get it.

Yeah. I get ways into that. Oh, this is the saddest story I've ever heard. It's pretty sad. No, it's a good, good for a comedy podcast. I feel like it's going to get better before I get ways into that. Oh, this is the saddest story I've ever heard. It's pretty sad. No, it's a good, good for a comedy podcast. I feel like it's gonna get better before I get to worse. I mean, the other way round. So finally, he receives five years parole in September of 1958, which is the same year

that Rosely filed for divorce from him. By November, he was pimping a 16 year old girl and was receiving additional support from a girl with wealthy parents So he must be very charming. I must say he must be he must be it's Terrifying it's so creepy. Is he good looking on his younger? I can only seem looking crazy. Yeah, but that's the thing. He's got the crazy eyes. He's got like dead eyes. Oh, no. And I can't do you not pick up on that.

How do you go? Ooh. Just don't look him in the face. Oh, he's dreamy. No, he's terrifying. Not marriage. Yeah. Look at his legs go.

Jazz, tap and bellow. What a cum burn. Look. He was saved a 10 years suspended sentence after he pleaded guilty to a charge of attempting to cash a forged check. How's a long suspended sentence? 10 years suspended sentence, I know. You've given 10 years and then you're like, now I'll suspend that?

Well, they suspended it because a young woman with an arrest record for prostitution made a tearful plea before the court that she and Mans and would deeply in love with Mary if Charlie was freed. So they're like, I don't know if they're like, oh well if he wants to get married we can't let it go to prison. It's so fucking weird right? So, um, he loves love. Hey who doesn't? It's true. Well I must prevail.

Who doesn't? Love conquers all. So before the years end, she did marry him Possibly so testimony against him would not be required of her Like later because you can't testify against your spouse I'm sure you can't I'd like to Marry everyone I could say any

Come on also what are people gonna say that what are you hiding? I No, I can say anything. No, Dave, you can't do that. Oh, come on. Also, what are people going to say about, what are you hiding? I don't know, I just want to know that I'm covered. What do you mean, what is he hiding? He's a Nazi. Oh, no, stop that. He used to be implied that you thought I was something like nothing. Now he just saved my faith and I will not sit here and take that from you.

In no way a Nazi, supporter of Nazi ideology, He just saved him, I say. And I will not sit here and take that from you. In no way a Nazi, support of Nazi ideology, or a fan of anything Nazis have ever done. All right, well that's weird. Just to set the record straight, it feels very strange that I have to publicly say this. But he wasn't that bad, was he? No one else has to come out and say,

I'm not into Nazism, I have to do that because of you too. Well because you said that Hitler wasn't that bad. Yeah. Wasn't... Go back and listen to what I say. It's an early episode. We're just working out who we were as people. Yeah, true. I'm still not sure.

What do I? There was no context. You just came out of nowhere and said, guys I got to get this up my chest We're talking about the Hitler wasn't that bad welcome to do go on my name is Dave Walicky. It wasn't that bad You're my new catch phrase the man with a golden tonsils cowabunga Hitler wasn't that bad Oh, no, I love it. You're not even giving it the context anymore. You just like go listen to it. Yeah, go because it because I sound if I just beat it too much I sound like she does protest too much Does that make sense to you? No, it doesn't. Hi, bro. No, I think it's I think that

Shakespeare Quot is actually Misinterpreted now over the years. So how you say you said it then isn't quite right, but that's okay. You're a young fellow, you'll find your way. Would you want to correct me then please? No. Okay, look, look at up yourself. For a wise old man, he doesn't like to share his wisdom, doesn't he? He does not, he does not. Oh, it's just a pile on everybody today.

And do me, do me! And just as an IQ of 108 less than Charles Manson. No! I wonder what my would be. Can we do IQ tests and find out if we're smarter than Charles Manson? Oh my god. So I'd actually like to, but I'd also be afraid that I'd be a lot dumber than I think. Yeah.

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Candy Stevens. Candy, great name. Oh, Stevens is very unsexy, an unoriginal, I gotta say. You start with candy, you should be like candy good times, with a z. Good times. Now after Manson took her and another woman from California to New Mexico for purposes of prostitution, he was held in question for violation of the man act, which is like white slave traffic act. So they questioned him for that but he was released but he sort of suspected correctly that the investigation hadn't hadn't ended, like that they would they would be wanting to ask more questions. So he

disappeared in violation of his probation and a warrant was issued. And when one of the women was arrested for prostitution, Manson was returned to LA, and for violation of his probation on the cash checking the check-caching charge. He was ordered to serve his 10-year sentence. So then he's released on the 21st of March in 1967 and he received permission to move to San Francisco where with the help of a prison acquaintance he moved into an apartment in Berkeley and in prison he'd met a bank robber Alvin Carpiss and Alvin had taught him to play the steel guitar. Ooh, ooh, maybe that's how he gets all the ladies because he knows the steel guitar. He can play guitar. So he soon gets to know a lady called Mary Brunner, who's a 23 year old graduate of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She was working as a library assistant at the University of California,

and Manson moved in with her. Well she sounds so innocent. She does, she's a library assistant, she's a graduate. Is she bookish? Oh yeah, she's pretty bookish. So he moves in with her and according to a secondhand account, he overcame her resistance to his bringing other women in to live with them. So she's kind of like, well, I thought maybe just you and I could live in my place and he's like, no, let's bring other people in. And before I've ever overcame that resistance, like it's some sort of triumph. Yeah, yeah, bullying people. Yeah, that's right.

Before long, they were just sharing her place with 18 other women, so. 18 other women? Mm-hmm. How did I die and understand, like, the logistics of that same out of control? Same bunk beds. How many beds are there, yeah?

I don't know. What about the John? There's gonna be a line at all time at all time All time we always have to line up. Oh, we women. Oh, sorry I thought you meant you were in the house you were one of the 18 Women women always have to lie. I live in a house with one other person. I served a line up for the total time Do you see someone's constantly? It's always in there and there's only one other person living there.

Yeah, we have to pay at the same time. How many women have you been overcame to invite into your house? We do have a guest with us. So there's one other person living in my house at the moment. Who doesn't always live there? Who's the guest? My friend Libby. Her friend.

Deb's friend Libby. Oh, that's the one. It starts with one. Yeah. You'll come home tonight. There'll be some other women in your bed. But then Libby's boy friend was there for a while too. Oh. There's two other people. You've been over. Oh my god. I'm being mancent. I'm being mancent. By like letting guests stay in my house. I'm being mancent. That's how it. That's that's what a mancenting is. That's how they get, yeah. I don't think it is what a Mansoning is. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, that's not what he was known for.

Yeah, that's, that's what he's known for, right from so far. Yeah. So he teaches his followers, they his followers now, that they were the reincarnation of the original Christians and the Romans were the establishment. He's anti-establishment. So they finally against the Roman Empire that fell a thousand years ago. Reincarnations of Dave. Oh, so he's grabbing bits and pieces from a few places. Yeah, he's also had like a lot of Scientology background as well. He has.

Yeah. He himself strongly implied that he was Christ. He often told the story. He didn't say it straight out there. Just someone implied it. Hello Mr. Man said he Christ. So I'm sorry. I'm not going to look. I'm not saying no. He's walking around in a rope. Just answer the question. He often told a story envisioning himself on the cross with the nails in his feet and hands so the implication is pretty strong And sometime around 1967 he began using the alias Charles Willis Manson and he often said very slowly like Charles will is man's son If I can his will I can just imagine it when he was in bed and thought of that

Yeah, he got up in the middle of the night to write that down No, he got in the middle of that to applaud himself. Yeah, why do you think I'll wake up? You've done it, Manson So if his mum didn't hook up with that Manson guy, maybe this all could have been avoided. Yeah, maybe if they walked if she hooked up with Really good guy Gary really good, then he would have been, see now Charles Will is really good guy. Everyone, let's go for free lunch on me. And then we're going to pick up some rubbish on the highway, free of charge. Not as a punishment, as a reward, for living in this beautiful earth.

What about... Thanks Earth. But you could draw the fact that you got a thank you. You got it. Maybe, well he never knew who his father was. Maybe it wasn't a macular conception. Oh, Jesus, age Christ. It's a H stands for and I'd like to hear that. Horatio.

Horatio. Is that true? Yes. How do you not know that? Jesus' middle name was Horatio. Look, I've got no religious background. So I have no idea if you're doing gullible today. It could be No, it could Like you would have known that Yeah, I don't know where that I don't think there is a middle age name, but I think I don't know where that's saying come from

Are you thinking of William H. Macy? Yeah, it's not easy. Yeah, sorry Are you thinking of William H. Macy? Yeah, it's not easy. Sorry. I get it. I get it. I had a whole lot of fun. It was because when Jesus wanted to join the actors guild in America, and there was already a series of cross.

It was already a series of cross. Yeah, at the age. And all the good ones do. Have a middle initial. Yeah. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule.

That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. That's a fun rule. I feel upsy more. Okay. I'll accept that. I really found out. And Juniors as well. There's a lot of Juniors.

Juniors like the Iron Man is a Juniors. Charles Manson, Jr. He's a very famous actor. He's a very good actor. He's a character actor. Do we find out more about him and if he's okay? No, I didn't really look into that because at this stage as well around this time Mary became pregnant And she gave her to a son. She named Valentine Michael

Nicknamed Poo Bear Is that a thing much like the Disney cartoon that Jesus endorsed? Well, why not saying anything he endorsed it by what just staying out of the way yeah Find me a record of Jesus hanging poop air sucks never said it never said it good point right So I think she was like the first of quite a few of them to and his Mary the his child which one's Mary the library and the book one the bookish one Yeah, so I don't I don't remember how many kids he had but there was a lot of it has Oh, so there's lots of but there's 18 18 women and there's no other men yet Uh, they're in the overall group. There is right because if you're if they're all your partners

God he'd be tired. 18, 18, 15. I don't think he's being a very attentive boyfriend. Like I don't think he's like, how is your day, Mary? Okay, you've got five minutes. I don't think he's the type of person that treats them all that well to be perfect there.

He calls a general meeting. All right, everyone tell me how your days were now. Inuison. Yeah. Turn to the person next to you and tell them one fact about you. We're going to do some ice practice. And then come back.

And you present back to the group. I'm going to throw the tennis ball to one of you. If you catch it, you've got to say a fact about the person next to you. Oh, you live that life? Yeah. I did drama classes here. Yeah.

So lame. So I always hated about starting a new semester at uni. Yeah, so lame. So I always hated about starting a new semester at uni. So awful. I don't wanna do ice break. I just wanna learn about PR or whatever I'm doing. I just wanna learn with the H dance floor. I just wanna do my- I think it's nicer they got a little bit of sport in your drama class by throwing the tennis ball around.

Yeah, there was a lot of drop catches. And I coordination, very important for actors. That's so good. You got to know where you're... In case you got to do that, no back drop of itch byopic. You got that? I like how you said biopic there. Biopic?

Yeah, it's nice. That's like if you can see out of both eyes, right? LAUGHTER You're an idiot. Hey, can I go on? I'm just waiting for one of you to say do go on. I do go on. Thank you. It's definitely biopic. I think it is, but I say biopic, but I say wander and wonder and wonder, don't I? I just say wonder. That's a Melbourne thing. That's a weird Melbourne thing where we switch O's and A's and we switch a few vowels around so we say Halicopter. I say helicopter. Yeah, Halicopter. But you're gonna think about it now.

I wouldn't say Halicopter. You just did. No, why would you lie like like the lie was given away in your life? I wouldn't say Halicopter. Halicopter. It's interesting. I didn't think I did either. What do you say? Apparently it's common in Melbourne to say hally copter Instead of hally copter hally copter hally. Oh, that's a helicopter. I think I say hell The neat cuz just cuz of the word hell. I should have asked and then we could have figured it out better now You know you're probably gonna make better love choices. I kind of like it when we're finding our own accent here. Yeah, it's nice. I mean, that happened because it's a youngish city. As is a little bit rougher than like if you go you hear the adolites.

I know it's very harsh. They're a bit more proper. Apparently it's one of the closest accents to the Queen's English. Yeah, I would agree. Which is interesting. Compared to other like majority of English people. Oh, roll. Yeah. Oh, roll, roll, roll, roll. What about Perth? They say chance as well, don't they? Yes, maybe.

And they say Derby when it should be Derby. Derby? But then Americans say Derby. I mean, it is spelled Derby, so that makes sense. That's like a weird one. Maybe we're on. Switching of the vowel sound for no reason. I just think like chance, dance, france.

We sound a bit rough. When I was in Ireland recently, I get a little bit self-conscious of the accent when I'm traveling and I'm overseas, but this, a couple of people said they really like the Australian accent. One taxi driver was like, oh, I love the Australian accent. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. The women especially. Yeah, he said the women especially sound,

oh, just so lovely. Oh, the way you dance, take a chance and move to Dublin. Oh, I'm happy to be drove and you in my car. Dublin. The words just roll up your tongue. That's tongue. Yeah, no, we do not have a good accent. No, but that's what he said.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. I mean, I like it, but I wouldn't say it's lovely. I agree I was like we don't say lovely at all and then one lady the elderly couple I befriended at River dance She said but you don't sound too Australian I was like thank you. I think that's because people a Australian accents people think or Australian accents are Americans pretending to be Australian. Yeah, I Get I might oh you go on there, you know really out back Really, but I've never said Rijie did your my life all right. We just want to give you a little boot up the bum. That's Simpsons

That's a funny name. I don't call it chess was That's a funny name. Oh, I don't call it Cheswasser. I love that, I don't know what it is. I remember it as Cheswasser. Yes, Cheswasser. Oh, I see you played Knifey Spoony before. Is the Simpsons episode coming up anytime soon? Take your boy.

It's a big research project. I'm watching the first 10 series again. Great. I'm going to like skip ahead a bit here because we haven't even got to the main thing. I do want to tell you one kind of funny story about him. Oh great, funny. Well, good fun. It's a little bit weird. It's sort of about his presentation of himself, if that makes sense. So basically, at the beach one day, this guy that he met Gary Stromburg, fantastic name, he was a young Universal Studios producer, and he was working on a film adaptation. He met Charles Manson, and they're at the beach one day, and Stromburg watched while Manson preached against the materialistic outlook

Only then to be questioned about his well-furnished bus He had like this bus that he carted everybody around him and so non-shelonly He just tosses the bus keys to the doubter who probably drives away with it Drives away it takes his bus and Manson's just like hmm well never no big deal. Yeah, he's called me out on this And I'm stubborn. Yeah, and so Stromburg reckons that Manson had a dynamic personality with an ability to read a person's weakness and play them.

So he was really manipulative. He must be, he's convincing all these people to do this crazy stuff. Yeah. Well, it's not even that crazy yet, but. He just sort of does whatever it takes to get what he wants. He's very creepy.

On one occasion, the enraged father of one of the runaway girls who had joined the Manson family pointed a shotgun at Manson and told him he was about to die. But Manson quietly invited him to shoot him. I was like, go ahead, man, shoot me. Before talking to the man about love, and with the aid of LSD persuaded him to accept the situation. Oh, I should have shot him.

Should have shot him. So is the guy with the guns on the given LSD? Yeah. Put this in your mouth and I'll tell you all about myself. Okay. That's just so hey, man. Actually, the charmingness maybe is a thing if he's giving LSD Yeah, he's just drugging people okay, but how do you convince somebody who wants to kill you just like sit down talk about love for a bit

And yeah, how how do you get it to them? How do you get in them? How do you get in the go? You go look happy with you to shoot happy with you shooting me that's fine But let obviously that's very final. Can we just have a quick chat first? Quick chat and then you can shoot me like reasonably it'd be hard to say that that's fine. But obviously, that's very final. Could we just have a quick chat first? Quick chat, and then you can shoot me. Like, reasonably, it'd be hard to say no to that. That's fine. You're only discussing the chat element. How do you give them the LSD?

In a glass of water. Yeah. In a glass of water. Tea, maybe. Can you, does LSD just... I've got the kettle on. Would you like? That's fucking genius. It's really... I've just got the kettle on would you like?

I'm just I've just got the kettle on do you want to I've just poured myself on like it'd be awful if it was shame to waste it really Yeah, can I get you one as well? Okay, but after this I'm gonna kill you No, absolutely that's a plan. I insist that's okay In fact, I'd be offended if you didn't kill me. Okay. Okay, fine. Well, yeah, let's, let's, let's say. You put it like that. Let's have some tea.

Wow. Okay. Yeah, I see. So that is pretty charming. That's pretty charming, though. But I mean, I am also an evil charming person. Oh, you're so charming. Matt knows how to manipulate people.

I've seen him go. I've seen him talking his way out of being murdered. Yeah. Several times. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? It's weird that it keeps getting in that situation to begin with. Yeah. But here we are You got a murder-y looking face, you know when you know you can easily get out of it. Yeah

You walk through life really I like it's fun to get into a murdery situation sure. I search them out Yeah, no, you must I don't listeners. Please I know I got murdery listeners Okay, I'll keep asking for fucked up top. They love murders. They do, but who doesn't? Curry caveman sitting there going get to the murder. Get to the murder bit. Thanks, Corey.

Thanks again, mate. Okay, so he's what you were talking about earlier, Dave. So in late spring of 1968, when Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys picked up two hitchhiking Manson women, I think they're called Manson women, it's fucking terrifying. Dennis the drummer, is that right? Yes, yeah, he was a drummer of the Beach Boys. Well I think they all had a sing in the harmony. I love the sing.

He played, he tinkled the ivories as well I think. Anyway so he picks up two Manson women. Tinkled the ivories as well, I think. Anyway, so he picks up two man to win. Tinkled meaning pissed on. He pissed on the piano. Well, it was the 1960s. Got a piss on everything. So you mark your territory. So he picks up two women, Patricia Crenwinkel,

fucking great name. Oh, Patty Crenwinkel and Ella Jo Bailey, also a good name, and he brought them back to his house for a few hours. We're just going to hang out for a bit. What a day when you could be hitchhiking and a rock and roll superstar would pick you up and take you back to their place. I was hanging out. I'm assuming there was probably some illicit substances taken.

There was probably some booze, but they had a good time. So then he comes home to his house in the early hours of the following morning after a night recording session and he's greeting in the driveway of his own house by Charles Manson. What up? Who emerged from the house? So Wilson's like, oh hi. And he asks, are you gonna hurt me? And Manson's like, oh man, I'm not gonna hurt you, Tilly. Just have this tea. So they go inside the house, Wilson discovers 12 strangers, mostly women in his house. He's just like, all right, this is better

than I thought it was gonna be. They're all just sort of crashing. This is so great. Over the next few months, as their numbers doubled, the family members who made themselves part of his sunset boulevard household, cost Wilson approximately $100,000. Wow, big money.

This included a large medical bill for treatment of their gonorrhea. Oh no. And $21,000 for the accidental destruction of his uninsured car, which they borrowed. Accidental destruction. I didn't just crash it, I crashed my car the other day. Just a little one. What? You're right.

I'm fine. How bad? It's not, it drove here, he's still fine, but he's. What's your car, I mean, Gary. Colin. Colin. Gary, similar. Colin, after Lano Woodley?

After Lano? Sure, yep. OK. But it's not going to cost me $21,000 because the car isn't worth that anyway. But $25,000, they crashed his car. And he would apparently though, like it seems like he kind of just like hanging out with them. Like they'd sing and talk and it's so awful. So Wilson would sing with Manson, they'd like they jam basically while the women were treated as servants to them both Yeah, but only while they were jamming probably yeah, otherwise it was a very equal society All right, so as soon as you pick up the guitar they dropped everything all right the boys are playing guitar You know what that means ladies. We're gonna get a play to strawberries

Who's got the big fern to fan them? Where did you put it? So, where'd you put the big fern? I think I left it in the, in the, in the, in the john. Oh, thanks so I'll go get it. What the fuck, so? Had to fan away. Someone did a big poo go on.

Good one, good one, so. Appreciate that. I'm Dennis by the way. Yeah. What's that in reference? So I don't quite get the poo go on. No, it'll be funny in like 40 years. Okay, great.

And now you're all drug use. I don't know what you're talking about, but we have a good time. We have a good time. Is Dennis so Dennis is into it? Yeah, he seems to be. He paid for some studio time to record songs written and performed by Charles Manson. And he introduces him to a few business, entertainment, beer's acquaintances. What are the beach boys doing at this stage?

They're like right in the middle of the beach. I wish they all got big girls on your girls. I was singing about the family. Yeah. Because some of them were from Ohio. I get it. I wish they could all be California girls. Yeah, most of them are.

But there's a few. There's a couple there. No, not. So, for instance, unless they're getting where the body fan is. Oh, is Dennis the only one of the beach boys that actually served? I'm pretty sure that is a fact. No, really?

The others didn't serve. He looks like that serving and they just did. I didn't think anyone did. Which one did? The guy at the Monson friend. He looks like a surfer, dude. Right. Yeah.

That is also part of their promotion. Interesting. No, I don't know but he grounds he did drown So don't want to he was 39 so I know possibly surfing possibly giving it a go for the first time He thought he'd been living a life for several decades less than low. Don't try anything Never try so the the entertainment biz big wigs that he mates are Greg Jacobson, Terry Melcher and Rudy Alta Belly. Remember those last two?

Terry Belcher, Rudy Alta Belly, right? Because Rudy owned a house. He would soon rent to actress Sharon Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski. Not that that has any relevance, so it's fine. Last time I hear those names. Totally fine. So he establishes, Manson established an base for the group at, I think it's a span movie ranch, span, SP, AHN, span. Let's say span. I think it's a spare Horatio Inn. You're an idiot. It's a good sense of war.

Sparatio Inn. So, basically Wilson's manager got them evicted from his house. So they took they go to this ranch, which was used for like film, was a film set back in the day. But now it was kind of like indeteriorated. So they're living on the set of bananas, so practically. Basically, it was a TV and these things. I like that so Wilson eventually came to his senses sort of thing. Kicked him out.

Yeah. Get air. Satisfying, I guess. So I don't know. Yeah, a bit. I mean, I haven't done anything too bad yet, sir. Yeah, so father, just a weird group of people who liked a party, but it was the 60s, man.

Yeah, women and women. Free love and women are all our slaves. Okay, that's terrible. That's awful. So they're living at this ranch and they sort of did work around the grounds. And so they were living with basically the owner, who's this 80 year old guy called George Span. So they helped out around and Manson ordered the family's women, including Lynette Squeaky from, to occasionally have sex with the nearly blind 80 year old owner.

Just as some sort of like payment, oh, they also, the women also acted as seeing eye guides for him, because his vision wasn't good, so. I mean, that's kind of nice. Shotgun that job. Yeah, that job's fine. They're having sex with them bits, probably not great. Or all that kind, but that's fine.

So then a guy called Charles Watson soon joined the group at Span's Ranch. Now he was a small town Texan who'd quit college and moved to California. And he met Manson at Dennis Wilson's house one night. Span nicknamed Watson Tex, because who is Texan Drawl, so Tex Watson becomes part of the gang.

Is that because he doesn't want another child? Probably. There's too many. Tex is a great name, what's the most? Tex is a great name. This is the second nickname we've had on the podcast. Remember Tex Van Well, from the second world war? Oh, the guy that kept escaping from everywhere.

At the time did I mention that I get called text sometimes, older people will call me text. I think yeah, and then I told you that text perkins, the real name is Greg. So it just went. We've really lived it. It's great to be back. It's great to be back. But is he really a Perkins? Yes.

Greg Perkins. Greg Perkins. It's terrible. Do you have a great uncle called Greg Perkins. You change it to text wouldn't you? No, no Greg's in my family thank you. We stay away from him. We got a shitload of Johnson Phillips

but no Greg's. Phil Perkins. There's an AFL footballer who's nicknames Tex. Tex Walker. I guess that's good. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one Texas range I guess. Maybe yeah. Who knows? He's got no yeah he's got I can't imagine an Adelaide. Crow's football would have any connection to Texas. You never know. You never do know because I'll never I'll never look into it.

You forget about it. I've got as my witness. I'll not look into that. For some time it gets weird. For some time Manson had been saying that racial tension between blacks and whites was growing and that blacks would soon rise up in rebellion in American cities. On one cold night I think it was New Year's Eve at one of the ranches they sort of spread out across a couple of ranches they moved around a little bit so the family members were all gathered around outside a large fire and Manson was explaining that the social turmoil he'd been predicting had also been

predicted by the Beatles. So he thought that the white album songs told it all although in code. In fact he maintained that the album was directed at the family itself who were an elite group that was being instructed to preserve the worthy from the impending disaster. So he's like, the Beatles are onto it too. Oh no. Oh no, don't bring the Beatles into this. Yeah, that's awful.

So what you've got to do is like, let's look for the messages in between the lyrics, but when they say things like peace and love, ignore that bit. Ignore that. They're being ironic. Yeah. It's opposite day.

It's opposite day, whatever they say. So really, we don't, all you not need is hate. So once again, love, we need love. That's what that means. Ah, damn it. OK. Wait, hang on. No, I'm wrong.

OK. So all you need is, what's the opposite of need is want all you want is hate There we go. There it is. Oh you want his hate. Oh you want his hate But all opposite of all is nothing nothing you want is Nothing nothing they want nothing they want So nothing they want you. So they don't want to. Nothing they want. So let's give them hate. And I'm not 100% sold that want is the opposite of need. But look. Hate. Hate is always they nothing want.

So I can't choose that. Yeah, it's pretty good. I only just heard that message then I'm gonna go kill some guns All right, bye The Beatles told me to well, yeah, okay, I'll kill some guns We gotta stop saying that. No, it's pretty funny I can imagine being in the context where you've been having like you've been partying the lead is a bit crazy Sesame weird stuff, but then suddenly you're at a bonfire and you're saying the Beatles want to kill it you'd be like oh no shit oh I'm in one of those situations I thought he was a bit you know I thought we were just gonna do a lot of

drugs and have fun Charlie's weird and then you're too far away yeah you're too deep now you've got to go along with it you stuck there was another Beatles reference as well and that they they got out of the cold of the desert and they put themselves moving closer into L.A. and they were staying in this canary yellow home. So Manson called it the yellow submarine, just another Beatles reference. So fucking weird. And also because their location would allow the group to remain submerged but beneath the awareness of the outside world. No one will find us in this yellow house. Little boy.

Or blend in. So they prepared for the impending apocalypse. They thought this is what's going to happen. So where's an apocalypse coming with these? Yeah. It's a good motivator to get people to do what you want. That's true. And he termed the apocalypse Helter Skelter

after the Beatles song. Beatles song. So he's kind of closely affiliated with Helter Skelter now. I mean, she's awful because the Beatles is a bit of a bit of a nut. Yeah, kind of ruined that song. Yeah. Wasn't my favorite anyway, though, to be honest.

If it was like, the apocalypse, Blackbird, I'd be like, no! I love that song! Anyway, so by February, Manson's vision was complete. They decided that they were going to create an album of songs as subtle as those of the Beatles that would trigger the predicted chaos. So they're going to write some trigger songs. It's not funny, but it does sound a bit like a little bit like a little bit. It does sound a bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit like a little bit that they thought like the beat, do they think the Beatles songs are doing that? Yeah, and they decided that once all this tension arose in the apocalypse

started that they were going to write out the conflict in the bottomless pit which was a secret city beneath Death Valley. That sounds like a good spot to hang. Sounds like a great sense of hang. There's a secret city there. Apparently, so while the family members worked on vehicles and port over maps to prepare for their desert escape, they also worked on songs for their world-changing album. When they were told that Terry Melcher, who's one of the big entertainment beers dudes, who's a music producer. Terry Melcher.

Melcher. He was going to come to the house to hear their material. So they're like, sweet. We've got all our songs ready. And the women prepared a meal and I cleaned up the place but Melcher never arrived. Oh dear was he actually ever booked or yeah like they said hey come along and he didn't but maybe he's got the dates wrong but was it a Charles lie I mean or did he actually tell me he came and he came another time all right it's good

but so so he doesn't come that time. So on March 23rd in 1969, Manson uninvited went to Melchus House. He's like, I'm just going to go to his house. But it was actually Rudy Elterbelly's property that Melchus had rented out, but he wasn't the tenant any more. As of that February, the tenants were Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. As of that February, the tenants were Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski.

Oh, that is unruly. So Manson was met at the door by a photographer friend of Sharon Tate. His name was Shaharok Hitami. Hitami was there to photograph Tate in advance of her departure for Rome the next day. Having seen Manson through a window as he sort of came up to the house,

he sort of went to the front door and was like, hey, man, what's up? And Manson said he was looking for someone and her time he didn't recognize the name. So he said, oh, no, this is the Polanski residence. Maybe try the back alley because there was like a guest house around the back. So he said, try around there if you're looking for somebody. But then he was like, that's a bit weird. There's just a stranger wandering around. Um, and that I've invited him in. Exactly. Hey, go to the neighbors' photography. You're fucking idiot. So Charles Monson goes around the back and then just like, he's gone for a couple

of minutes, comes back and leaves. So he's left the house. It's fine. Everything's fine. Totally fine. Okay, thank God. I thought something bad was about to happen. That evening, Manson returned to the property and again went back to the guest house, presuming to enter the enclosed porch. He spoke with Rudy Altabelli, who was there, just coming out of the shower.

And although Manson was asking for mulcher, Altabelli felt that Charles had come looking for him as well. So he's just sort of like out to get these record execs now, who knows. And so he he tells him, oh, I don't know where Meltzer lives now. He's moved away. So that but they kind of knew each other like Manson and Altebeli had met before. But they kind of knew each other like Manson and Altebeli had met before So he was kind of like hey So I'm just gonna see you I guess Makes her turn up in my house a red dot. That was really weird. So then um then Manson's sort of doing like Hey, so we're making some music if you want to like I don't know give us a record label something that'd be pretty sick

And Altebeli's like oh man, I'm leaving the country tomorrow Manson's like cool. Well what about when you get back andlli's like, oh man, I'm leaving the country tomorrow. Manson's like cool, well, what about when you get back? And he's like, oh, gone for a year. I'm gonna have a 10 year. He wasn't going for a year. But eventually- So he knew this guy knew it was on a whim that it was a bit f**k. Yeah, he was like this guy's a bit strange and turning up to my house late at night.

And I don't bother my tenants in the main house, please. Yeah. So that's just a little bit strange. So then in May of that year, so a couple of months later, Terry Melcher did go to the ranch, and he heard Charles Manson and the Women's Sing. And he arranged another visit not long after, and he brought a friend who had like a mobile recording unit. So they recorded a few

of their songs just to you know get the ball rolling on their world changing album. By June Manson was telling the family they might have to show the the blacks how to start Helter Skeleton so he's like we've got to start like start the uprising. Oh, right, wait, so he's saying that they're gonna have to show black Americans, it's an American thing. Yeah. Yeah, so it's just, yeah, it's funny that I'm still surprised how bizarre he is.

He's so strange. I'm not following his train of thought here. It's almost like there is no real train. It is almost like that. Do, do. So there's a couple of, like, it's going to be so flippant there. There's a couple of murders.

But the main one that, that obviously they're the most famous for is the night of the August 8th in 1969, when Manson directed Tex Watson to take Susan Atkins, Linda Cassabian and Patricia Crenwinkle. That's who the bandica's had been named after. Yes! No, it's true, which is creepy. Yeah. He said, go to Melchus, former home, and kill everyone there. Just go to... But he's not there, Charles. He's not there.

He sends them, kill everyone there. Who is there? It's just the Roman Plansky, and whoever. Sharon Tate, with, she had like four friends, I was only five people. Only five people. Is anyone died? These are the first murders they've done.

No, there was a couple before that. This is sort of the one they were most famous for though. And then. But over the like the years of all the 50s and he hadn't killed anyone until this point. No, I don't think so. A weird tan. Yeah, so yeah, and the attacks were always kind of out of nowhere.

So this was just that they were living in the house of someone that used to live there, who he's mad at for no apparent reason. Right. So it's her super strange. And the murders are quite brutal. Like I was reading about a couple of them. I was like, I probably don't need to put that into the report. And all five of them get murdered, do they?

Yeah, they all get murdered. And then they wrote pig in blood on the front of the door as they left. There was a couple of references. They'd either write Helter's Scale to Or They'd Write Pig. A few Beatles references, like the song Piggy's. Yeah, Piggy's. So they'd, yeah, I don't know, because obviously that album was inciting

the apocalypse, which is pretty messed up. The next night on August 9th, six family members, the four from the night before, and they also took Leslie Van Houghton and Steve Grogon, who went by Claim, doesn't make sense. They wrote out and they just sort of went driving, they just went, they didn't really have a plan on where they were going to go but they were just going to go on a murder. And after a few hours driving around, in which he considered a number of murders, an even attempted one or two of them, Manson gave Kassabian directions that brought the group

to an address on Wavelid Drive. This was the home of supermarket executive Lino Labianca and his wife Rosemary, who was a dress shop co-owner. So it was next to a a house that they'd attended a party at earlier in the year. And that's the connection? That's the connection. They'd been to a house party. Have they complained about the noise or something? Yeah. And like they're...

So they murdered this guy and his wife, Lena LeBianca and his wife Rose Marie. Again, that's where I sort of read in great detail about the murder and I was like, oh, that doesn't need to go in. Oh, is that pretty? It's just got, it's really brutal. They're doing this to try and kick off and like a race or... Yeah. I just, how is that going to start a race? Well, there's a couple of instances and I'm remembering this rather than reading it where they would sort of be like, I will take Rosemary's wallet and we'll leave it like a black neighborhood and so that way like a you know a black kid will find it and use the credit cards and they look

like they did it. Oh my god that is awful. Yeah. I mean you know it was already awful. But then like yeah framing it on other innocent people, it's just so, so strange. So the tape murder obviously became huge news. The Polanski's housekeeper, Winifred, had arrived for work that morning and discovered the murder scene. On August 10th, detectives were investigating

the Labyanka murders as well, but they hadn't put them together. They were just like two different murders that had happened. It's kind of with the Labyunca crime scene was discovered at about 10.30pm on the 10th of August. It says approximately 19 hours after the murders were committed. At 15-year-old Frank Struthers, Rosemary son from a prior marriage, and Lino's stepson returned from a camping trip and was disturbed by seeing all the window shades of his home drawn, and by the fact that his stepfather's speedboat

was still attached to the family car in the driveway. So he calls his sister and her boyfriend, and the boyfriend sort of takes him into the house and they discover their parents' bodies. It's really messed up. I just understand the speedboat thing. So he's like, that's weird that they haven't attached the boat from the car. The car's just parked in the driver, the boat's still attached. But were they attacked midboat?

Oh, who knows. Maybe they just got back from a trip, hadn't attached the boat yet. You know when you get used to your parents' routines? Yeah, I guess so. So you'd be like, that's weird, dad would always attach the boat straight away. It's amazing that you have the foresight to know that something had gone. I, I guess so. So you'd be like, that's weird, dead with all of us. I'm surprised that you've touched the boat straight away. So maybe we have the foresight to know that something had gone. I think you'd know. I guess you'd have a feeling. You'd have a feeling getting back to your own house, especially your parents' place. You'd be like, something's not right here. Very strange. Awful, awful, awful, awful.

He evened a lot. Okay, yay! Yeah, it's hard to make this bit funny, so I'm sorry. I know, it's hard to make it wrong.. It's hard to make any of it all that funny to be perfectly honest and I'll You know, I've been going a while so I'll just sort of keep powering through Eventually they connected some of the earlier murders with there with the tape murder And so they sort of went looking for the Manson family and they'd kind of moved around and like they said before they're gonna live in the Underground city and wait for the apocalypse. So there's a joint force between the National Park Ranges and offices of the highway patrol, the sheriff's office. They raided Myers Ranch and Barker Ranch, which were a couple of the ranches that they were often staying at, and they followed clues on whittling the left by the family members, like a burned out

earth mover, and they found stolen June Buggies and other vehicles and arrested 2,000 people, including Charles Manson. A highway patrol officer found Manson hiding in a cabinet beneath a sink in the bathroom. Oh, dear. Which is a good place to hide, I feel. Oh, I don't really need to go over the, like all their trials and everything like that. There's a couple of weird little things, like Manson tried to represent himself in court.

That feels like something he'd do. That feels like something he would do. And just bring out like Beatles lyrics. Yeah, or say- Your honor. I rest my case. So the judge was William Keane and he sort of reluctantly granted Manson permission to act as his own attorney.

I thought you were about to say bail and I was like, no, it was how can I have happened? Because he was already, like he's, because of his conduct in court, he was just like a soci, he was so outlandish and nonsensical, they took away that permission. They're like, no, you crazy.

So then like the next day, he filed an affidavit of prejudice against that judge who was never replaced by a different judge. Charles H. Older, Charles Horace. Horace of Older, thank you. So on Friday, July 24, the first day of testimony, Manson appeared in court with an ex carved into his forehead. He issued a statement that he was considered inadequate and incompetent to speak or defend himself and had exed himself from the establishment's world. He's like, you won't let me speak for myself. I'm not going to be one of your little chess pieces. He said, you're on a... everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey. I rest my case.

And he's a free man still to this day. Just because of that. Yeah, all right. We got no comeback. Bit of friends rest. So he's carved an X into his head over the following weekend. The female defendants duplicated the mark on their own foreheads as did most family members within another day or so. Years later, he turned his into a swastika, so, you know, you've still got things to look

forward to, Dave. Oh, fuck. No. Oh, it's so good. But then years after that, he turned it into a little house. And a chimney. Yeah, it's nice. We'll pick up fans there with them.

I might, um... Sounds much more appealing. I might kind of wrap up with a few sort of weird things. So, um, just in terms of like his, his followers. So during the trial, family members loitered near the entrances and corridors of the courthouse. Um, to keep them out of the courtroom itself,

the prosecution subpoenaed them as prospective witnesses who would not be able to enter while others were testifying. When the group itself established a visual on the sidewalk, some members wore a sheathed hunting knife. They were just holding knives and they all had the eggs on their foreheads. They're just holding hunting knives, which makes sense. Some family members attempted to dissuade witnesses from testifying. Prosecution witness Paul Watkins and Juan Flynn were both threatened. Watkins was badly burned in a suspicious fire in his van. Ooh, former family member Barbara Hoyt, who had overheard Susan Atkins describing the tape murders to another family member Ruth Ann Moorehouse,

agreed to accompany Ruth to Hawaii. It's like, yeah, cool, let's go to Hawaii. And then Moorehouse gave her a handbag as sparked with several doses of LSD to try on like silence her. Well probably try to kill her. She was found sprawled on the Honolulu curb in a drug stupa. It was taken to hospital. But then like I don't think she kind of went on to... Great things. To do much. I don't think she like went on to be a witness in the case or anything because super creepy, super super creepy. On October 5, Manson was denied the court's

permission to question a prosecution witness whom the defense attorney had had declined to cross examine. So he's like, oh, I'll do the question. You want to talk to her, I will. Sit down, Charles. He's just a terrifying person. So he's sort of become like, he's like a really fascinating. People are obsessed with him, are fascinated by him. They're still to this day. He's 80 years old and in prison and he's still

like there's still articles written about him in interviews. And I was reading one interview in like Rolling Stone where this young girl who's like 24 and like had had a really good upbringing like quite a Christian upbringing as well but was now like living at the, he's ranch still. He was Christian too aren't you saying? Yeah. He believed he was Jesus. He believed he was. So maybe that makes sense. So he still has a ranch that people live at.

He still has followers and she visits him every weekend and they spend like five hours together and she has a swastika, I'm not swastika, but she has the ex mark, oh my, he's swastika. Ex mark in their head and stuff like that. It's still, and she's like 25, and he's 80, and it's fascinating and terrifying, and I obviously do not have any fun facts. Right, but he's still in jail,

who's in jail forever? Yeah, yeah. So they were given, they were all given the death penalty, but then the death penalty was taken away, so there's like life sentences. So, like five of them were all convicted and life sentences. Are they all still kicking? I'm not sure, actually. I'm not sure. I didn't know any of the names. No, Manson definitely is, but yeah. Cassabian.

I didn't know that about Cassabian. Yeah, I read that, I read that Smony. I was like, that's kind of weird. Yeah, weird choice. There's, like, there's a couple of famous interviews, there's one that was like in 1989 Nicholas Shrek conducted an interview with Manson and he cut the interview up as part of like a a documentary called Charles Manson superstar and he concluded that Manson was not insane but merely acting that way out of frustration. Oh yeah. You know what I do when I'm frustrated?

I plan murdering heaps of people. It's not a weed cult. Fun, fun meanings in places that they definitely have to remember. They're definitely not there. Helped a scalped, uh, down and in and in and now, helped a scalped, uh, what's that? What's that John?

Not pricing. So that was a bit of a weird one, but um... That is, and at the end of that I've decided to withdraw my aspirations of becoming a cult leader. Yeah, I think that's fair. But... Probably not the best aspirations to have. Well, I mean, yeah. I like certain elements of it, just like hanging out. Yeah. I like the sense of community. I think I community feel. I also really like my own space though. I think I probably prefer to start like a book club or something.

Yeah, that's the thing. You could just meet once a month. Or even, you know, yeah, by month or you're... Yeah, that'd be fine. I'm being really even. I like a lot of my own time. Yeah, yeah, just a couple of times a year. Yeah.

And it takes me a lot of reading, I'll pull. Like, at Christmas. Yeah. I mean, that's probably what I do with my relatives really. couple of times a year. Yeah, and it takes me a lot of reading. Like at Christmas. Yeah. I mean, that's probably what I do with my relatives really. Yeah. We meet at once a year at Christmas and we're on a little cult. Yeah, no, there's just a family. Yeah. Although they were the men's and family. Wow. Wow. I'm part of a family. I've seen a little too much myself in the man, but not the Nazi stuff. Interesting. Interesting that you feel the need to take that out.

Anyway, Cory, thank you for your suggestion. Yeah, you've ruined my day. Curry, caveman. Caveman, curry. Thanks for listening. Yeah, thanks Cory. Thanks for suggestion. So that's only come three, one.

I thought that might have been a multi-suggest. There's definitely another one that was like more serial killers or I like that. They're the most possible killer killer people out there. So far it's, are you guys have done any, like, I've done HH homes and now I've done Manson. I'm not, I'm not into it. Am I the sick one in this group? I think so. But I'm glad you, I'm glad you're doing it because you're sort of appeasing. I can feel like that, that, that's a reason for a crazy person to kill us Is not talking about killers and yeah, I feel like you're just as the killers every three months You bring one in so I think Dave does the mysteries. Yeah, what do you like? I do the frivolous thing

Alva's last week and that's so frivolous now that does the ambitious ones from the hat you pick a topic and then halfway through go Yeah, I'm I know normally just just plucked out of the hat. You pick a topic and then half way through go, oh yeah, mine are normally just plucked out of the hat. Flucked. You're it. Random. I love it. I really don't want to pluck out a see. I don't think I want to get like yeah. What you've had to do just delve into it. I'm not keen on that at all. Would you prefer to is that the only time you'll put a topic back in the hat as if it's two or three?

I never put them back in. I never put them back in. Never go back. Never go back. The hat rules. Well, if you want to get in the hat, of course you can contribute your serial killers and other interesting ideas that we could do topics on. Okay, give us some non-serial killer ideas. That would be great. We got enough in the hat. Mystery ones are the best. Mystery's a cool.

But there will just be a mystery podcast. Which is cool. But I really want Dave to do the fucking Simpsons. Well, it's the biggest mystery of all. We'll Dave do the Simpsons. Oh! We'll do it. At Twitter, we are on there, of course, at DoGo on Potter.

We also tweet out photos and other silly little things. So we also do in our Facebook page. So it's worth getting involved and following us there. It's worth it. It's definitely. Well worth it. Worth a click. But it's not just. It's not just, hey, here's the new episode.

There's some other little silly things that we do in there. Yeah. And things that we mention on the episode we often do remember to post the post. Sometimes. It's like we're building a little community. Oh no! Like a little family. Oh, hopefully.

That we could move to a ranch somewhere. Oh hi, it has to be a higher. Yeah. It has to be a higher. Oh hi, start looking at for some ranches. So you could sort of link us to any ranches that are for rents, that would be great. Do go on pod at jmail.com as the other thing you can get in contact with us. Or you could just say hello to us on the street. Don't do that. We are very socially awkward. I'm jumping. Oh dear. Stabbed another listener. I don't know if at the end of this circular episode I want to do it, but I'm doing a doing a French show this week. Tonight would have been the today's the third one.

This is you'll listen to this the day it comes out on Wednesday. Where can we see it Matt? That's what we're all wanting to know. It's on 830, nightly at the Courthouse Hotel, which is a cool pub in North Melbourne. Got a lot of nice beers on tap and they do cocktails. If I sell out a show they'll name a cocktail after me for the run of the show. That's cool. Which hopefully I'll do one night.

I did not do that last year. No, this is a new thing. I think you asked us to call it the Manson Family Mojito. No, I don't think so. Or the do go on Gerita. I think it's going to be named after the's gonna be, Gerita. I think it's gonna be named after the show, which is called Pretty Dry. So I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a pretty dry team.

Pretty dry, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah. But that's okay. That's great. Um, yeah, you guys are gonna come one, all right? We're definitely are. Absolutely.

That's gonna be fun. But once again, do not talk to us in real life. Oh God, don't. If you do, even if you do like audience participation with us, I'll get up and kill you. Oh, I'm gonna chat to you guys sure speaking of which how good was that tweet or Facebook Commented someone said that they thought my voice doesn't match my face. It was on on first day Oh, yeah, just a big sir. We're serious. They said I sound like a six foot tall Australian surf a guy One of those is right so come and meet me in real person.

Australian guy. Yeah, Australian, that's right. And yeah, come meet Dave and be bitterly disappointed. You're right. I'm a small, small man. We talk about that a lot. And no, we do a lot. We do talk about that, but maybe they think we're being ironic.

We're not. He's small. He little. Yeah. I'm in the corner. Let's get out of here. Yeah. Well, thanks, listen guys, and we'll see see you or you'll hear from us next week.

For the big 50th. Oh. We're not doing anything special. No. I'm not bringing your cupcake. Let's hope we don't get struck down in our prime. We'll make it to 50. Goodbye.

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