Two In The Think Tank - 53 - Escape From Alcatraz

Episode Date: October 26, 2016

In 1962, four prisoners spend several months crafting an ingenious way to escape America's highest security and most fearsome prison. A story of dummies, digging and a home made boat. Will they make it off The Rock?Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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But here we are for the 50 what Episodes have pessimistic you think the audiences is? They're gone, we're done! 51, 50 weeks in a row they did this show, but I reckon the 51st week they're out. No. I thought you were the maths guy. You just said it's the 53rd episode. But we started with, no, it's very complicated. It's a three-spinal.

We're not quite up to a year because we started with three episodes in our launch. Yeah, look. But next week is one year. Woo! It's a celebration. Celebrate good times, come on. I've made a birthday cake. Really?

And then I ate it. So I'll make another one. Obviously, I was like a week ahead. I was like, well, it'll probably, it'll probably won't be good by the time we get to next. So I better eat this one and I'll make another one. Can I lick the bowl? Man, I love doing that.

Fuck, I love doing that! Oh, and the spoon! Can I lick it with the spoon, I love doing that. Fuck, I love doing that! Oh! And the spoon! Can I lick the wooden spoon? It sucked so much as a kid if my brother was also home when mum was making a cake, because then I have to share looking the bowl, or looking the beaters. Oh, the beaters are the worst.

Now beaters are the worst. I'd love looking the beaters. I had a fear. I'd have to get it off the beaters with something else, because I have a fear that the beaters would wrap your tongue up. Of course you'd take it. You would take it off.

You take it off. Hey, you're the swirly. You're the swirly. You're the swir would wrap your tongue up. Of course you'd take your mouth off. You'd take the mouth you idiot. No, you just got to plug into the wall. What? Figure on the trigger. Oh, this is like the knife and the toaster all over again. Shit. Fuck. By the way, I do not cook.

I do. Oh, don't you? I cannot cook. Wow. Oh, man. Could have fooled us. Seriously, I cannot. Dave, I think we're talking about baking very different I don't come on. I'm very good at baking. You know what else is very different last week, Matt

No, very hyped up from coffee. This week we have a different beverage. Oh Water to keep your voices going. Well, see if this if you recognize this my eyes and I won't listen like everyone else it Fanta yeah, Fanta love Fanta grown up Fanta What would grown up fantasy I'll fair you often ask Why are you the only one with a golden tonsils Dave and I I say it's because I refresh with a bottle of purified water purified tap water. We're talking tap Now I got this one from work and I have one of those water with this water cooler in the office. Yeah, congrats you work in an office

There's a little more exciting that we we let it talk about your job So yeah, I got a But he in television behind the scenes. Oh Mrs. Vance, he's bloody done. Well pretty much I want to talk about too much just I'm helping Associatively produce a segment that's my title associate producer you an associate producer. Yeah That's that's okay. I did not know Your title was associate producer that is so fucking cool So cool, I don't know if you know but associate means less than yeah top is like a so I hang on Dave Sorry, uh, mr. TV could you just patronize us anymore?

No, but associate professor is like the one below professor. Yeah, it's still a good job. Oh, no, I love it. I think in terms of job titles, Matt might Trumpy though. Yeah. Matt? Board of directors. Yeah, well, I'm a director.

He's a director. He's a director. Director definitely, Trump's any associate, even an associate director. I'm a currently director in both senses of the word. It's my favorite set up of a joke. Is both senses of the word. It's my favorite set up of a joke. It's both senses of the word. That's very funny anyways.

Bees. And this isn't a joke. This is just true. That's kind of... And just your title? Is a customer care agent? Oh, you send very caring at that time. Is that what I think is customer care agent is what I am? When's this episode going out?

If you're in Australia, I've directed a TV show that will be on tonight if you're listening the dates coming out. SBS 2, tape PM. So you are your director in every fucking sense. That's beautiful. Yeah, he's an actual director. Or two senses. That's beautiful. Yeah, he's an actual director. Or two, all his senses. Both, both, I love that.

So, what would you want to tell us what the show is? If you're in Australia and you will listen to this? Uh, yes, maybe. Uh, it's called, uh, the Roadshow. That's a documentary about the Melbourne International Comedy Festival Roadshow. Jess Perkins, I don't know if you heard of her. She features on episode four.

Hello. So, Jess, you're not just a customer care agent. You're also a star of the roadshow TV show. And the show itself, yeah. You're right, I am a star. You are better than us. No, because then I come back from the really fun, amazing gigs that I'm incredibly lucky to do.

And then I go back to being a customer care agent. Which one would you prefer? Just a clarify. Care agent. Of course, thank you, because you get to care for people. What are you some sort of aid worker? Yeah, I'm an aid worker. Helping you out in Syria.

Yeah, I help people who... If you care about... Roode Baxter's AIDS, then yeah, I reckon she's an aid worker. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Oh, and where can we see this show, Matt? You vote what channels it on? SBS, two. SBS two. So tonight and for the next few weeks on Wednesdays, is it? Yeah.

They're calling the first episode would have been last week. And then so there's two out into the two following weeks The last one for the episodes just featured. Yeah, well, this is a dirty plug to set up the show Hey, no, no, no, this is no plug. This is a life update Yeah, it's just what we're all up to because you know what like we obviously we all have busy lives And we all do the podcast together, so sometimes we can actually get to chat about each other. Catch up.

So it's nice to catch up with you guys. But we also know where the majority of our listeners come from and that is not Australia. They're mostly American. So sorry for filling you in on things that make very little sense. So just to confirm for the Americans, Associate Producer is one below a proper producer. I'm sure they get that. SBS 2 is a channel that... A great channel. Great channel. It stands for Super Best Show. Two, two. And the sequel is always better. Yeah, yeah. What, it actually sounds pretty, sounds pretty impressive anywhere, right? It's the

special broadcasting service. That's right. So it's actually, it's a sound impressive. It doesn't sound really patchy. Tweety! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I tell you what Americans may be excited about and that is the topic of this week We're here for what we don't just talk about ourselves. Hey, I just need to see if my beard. I'll just take a little Do you want to have a sip? We're having a sit break Hey, um, yeah, what's interesting is Jess has care in her job title, but she definitely does not I do not I will go on the record and say I do not

And yeah, that's funny in the in the documentary. She did a bit about her old employer Yeah, and she said later Please don't put that in the yeah, I was like that. I have to go back to that job I probably shouldn't be bagging my employers and I probably shouldn't be bringing that up on a that's fine. Okay, great. So our American listeners may be interested. I believe most people would be interested. I think you were just trying to segue into using the topic. Honestly, it was. It's not it's not American themed. Is it is it set in America? Is it about an American person? It is. Is it about a person? Dave, Dave, answer my questions, Dave.

Guys, guys, guys, all these questions. All these questions. With the question. Let me answer your question. Now, to set up the topic, I will ask you a question. That's a little unorthodox, okay? Okay. My question is, what is the most famous and fearsome prison

What is the most famous and fearsome prison of all time? Is it the one that Casanova easily broke out of last week? I was honestly inspired by the last week's topics. Is it Asuka Band? It is not Asuka Band. That's probably the most, that's much more fearsome than this one. Oh, okay. The ones that come to mind There's one in Melbourne here. Oh Melbourne, Joe. I was thinking of the other blue stone one that other blue Pension

Pension Pension prison where chopper used to chop off he is a friend lives Yeah, that's a proper Pension I believe so that's now like a housing estate isn't it? Yeah, we have a prison here in this sort of, in a mid suburbs of Melbourne and it was like a big prison. No, the glorious brutal prison. And now it's like, you know, very gentrified. So they knocked down the prison and now people live inside the Blue Stone walls.

Oh, is that what it is? I'm guessing that's not what it is. It is not Pension. It is not what it is. So if I don't think of that one then I think of What Sean Connery made famous is the rock it is the rock Elk it trans God-spread oh man money penny it's James

This guy at my school, the guy at my school, Tom Skinner. Wait, we never make that actually laugh, and he laughed. Well, I'll do my impression. My friend, Tom Skinner from school would always do, would do, he's trying to go to the line and was, yes, I would like to wish to see a short one of my chips. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah, shout out Cippy-tie No, we are we are talking as you sip about alcatraz this week and Credits the this is from the hat from the hat. Yeah, it was emailed in to our email do go on pod at gmail.com Over the last couple of weeks. This is coming so very very fresh into the hat So it's on the the top layer. Sometimes I didn't that is an advantage great. I didn't got a shuffle

I didn't shuffle didn't Russell, but this was our Ryan, so thank you Daniel Daniel Ryan. He's he's a he contacts us a bit I think on the twitters have we done his any topics of his before. Oh good question. We may Could be wrong we might have we might have that could have been Ryan Daniel. Oh Good guy great guy. Do you guys know much about Elkotras? I know very little. In fact, nothing. Well, you thought the film, the, I'll just gonna say the rock that film you're talking about with Sean Conor and Nicholas Cage is one of my all-time favorite movies. Of course. It's one of my favorites. So I'll say it a lot of few times as a, as a young and any

good. It is an absolute belter of an action movie. Well, one of my favorite movies is Shawshank Redemption, which is also in a prison. Oh, so. Which I referenced last week at Busy Living. I feel like. Busy dying. I feel like I'm well equipped to handle this effect.

With that and my short coloring impression. I'm probably, in fact, I've just popped out. I've got this. Yes. Got the busy living. Oh've got this. Yes. Yes. I've got pretty living. I'll get pretty dying. Is he German now? What was that? Fuck. Alcatraz. Federal Penitentiary was a maximum high security federal prison on Alcatraz

Island, which is 2 kilometers or 1.25 miles off the coast of San Francisco, baby. San Francisco. Have you visited it? I have been to Elcatraz Prison as a kid. I haven't. No, I haven't, but I've been to San Francisco, but it was. They're the kind of things where people like, oh, that's where you got to go.

And I was like, oh, I mean, I got to catch a ferry over there walking around an whole building sure the 49ers are playing or whatever their football team is let's go to a pub and watch it that's what I'm to Matt I say get busy living which is what get busy drinking at a pub watching the 49ers probably the team what I would say is the it would be it's get busy living bracket go watch the 49ers at the pub bracket and close bracket or get busy Dying of boredom on a tour of an old fucking prison. Who cares? Okay, well, it's a long phrase you've got there. It's not as catchy. I think it'll catch on Well, I think you're more than it will

More than Freeman said that I did Okay, all right game changer. Yes, you're more agreement. I'm not sure that it will. More agreement said that I did. Probably listen. Okay. All right. Game changer. Yes. You're right. Matt, I'm sorry. Thank you. Well, I'm afraid it's not interesting to you, Matt, but I still have three thousand words to go on this report.

Of course he does, but hey, that's a down. I'm into listening to it, but I... You don't want to see it. I mean, if I'm in a sunny city, I'm not just going gonna give wander around and I'll I probably should have but it just sometimes they think those things just feel a bit like you know if you get I don't want to just follow the tourists around I'm getting in there and I'm enjoying the city with the locals I'm getting drunk with the locals yeah it's fucking sad when when I talk about look next time I'm gonna go

back there and do an adult trip. When I'll go and see the boring shit like Dave I go out younger than me who is way more mature. He was eight years old at the time. He was spent more mature than me for a long time now. I think Dave was born mature. Oh I thought he was born to be wild. No wild no god no definitely not say that about you that is something I would never say not even in a joking manner born to run no born to die well in a way we all are so yeah and by in a way I mean we all are born to try yes you are does it does a good dream born never said to be wild born yes we were born born born to be wild. Born. Yes, we were born. Born.

Born to be alive. Bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa bipa b It opened in 1934. What a year. You haven't said that in a while and I've been missing it. Yeah, thank you. The main building of the prison was actually built in... I think I'd only say a good year. A good year, yeah, and I've been missing that. So, opened in 1934. A good year. Thank you. The main building of the prison was actually built in 1910

and it used to be a military prison. But when it opened a penitentiary in the 1930s, it was modernized and given state-of-the-art features to make it America's strongest prison. Did they open a prison? Did I have like a ribbon cutting? Like, is there an opening party? Well, they have to open it to close it.

It's a very weird turn of events. They have a, it's a little bit different. They, what they do is have a ribbon tying up ceremony. Ah, okay, okay. They put it back together. This is the opposite. And there are... Oh, I got it. There are no scissors because they're rather than a good term. Given its high security and location of the Alcatraz in Cold Waters and the strong currents of the San Francisco Bay,

the prison operators believed Alcatraz to be escape proof, which we talked about escape proof prisons in last week, that is it. The main purpose of Elkotres or the rock, as it is commonly nicknamed, was to be to house the baddest of the bad, like the most bad-ass people, the most violent, the most ruthless criminals, people that were involved in criminal organizations or gangs, or had attempted to successfully escape or tried to escape other prisons. I did successfully escape. I'm attempting to unsaccessfully escape this prison. We'll see how we go, but yeah, fingers crossed that I don't make it. He just knows he's gonna add to that out. He does not like sounding dumb.

That's right. Just an associate. During its run, I hope Contrares, so pretty much what I was trying to say, it's either people that are really violent, people that are in the mob or people that have tried to escape or have escaped from other prisons. They put them here. It was often referred to as a last resort prison. So, oh, a resort. Most of the prisoners were bank robbers, murderers, rapists or counterfeiters.

Yeah, but they really liked the buffer and the Louwows on Thursdays. And the banana lounge area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was their favourite. And they're the range of activities. Yeah, and the swim up gambling tables. I love a swim up bar. Yeah, a swim up bar.

It's common. A swim up gambling table is less so. Yeah, that's quite like she reads. But because we have plastic money here, swim up bars. It's not a problem. Not a problem at all. Don't drop the money. What?

Don't drop your banjos. No, yeah, if it was made to rehabilitate the criminals inside, it was just to punish them and to get the get criminals away from the other places. Well, that may be your first point. So you go there and there's like no hope for you. So there's no death penalty in California at this stage? No people were executed. So they were just like a step down from...

Yeah, well not everyone was there for life, but most people were there for 25 plus years. Oh, that's interesting. They know they're gonna send them out again, but like we don't want to rehabilitate them. Yeah, we're gonna really... But 25 years, we'll forget about them and then we'll put them back on the ferry. That's pretty smart. I mean, that's state of the art back then, apparently. And what is state of the art in 1910? 1934. 1934.

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That was there. That was definitely paid for by the taxpayer. Second question. Did they implement the Dewey Decimal System in their library? I believe that they invented the Dewey Decimal System. Fascinating. Fascinating. That is absolutely untrue. Fascinating. So sorry.

That's a bloody turn. Yeah, four. I don't know what to get my hopes up. You know I get excited about the Dewey Decimal System. Just loves it. Oh, blood and love it. Now security was said to the out but these cells were very primitive and lacked privacy Primitive they had a monkey they had a Do you know what primitive me?

It doesn't sound like you do promise Number can only be divided by one in itself, I believe. It is a very good question, Dave, and I don't know why you're doing it. So you saw where I was coming from. Totally. Primates. Primates. Right. Primates. Primates. Primates, right? Right, right, right, Dave. Right, Dave.

I love that you look at me, but yes. Right, so it's such a bloody joke. So why don't you, buddy, get on board. Do you know what primitive means? Is that Dave Warnakia, I'm going to touch your producer? Customer cake and fuck off. I'm starting to want to say more. I was about to answer back about Customer Keirair and eat it. That's not your own target.

I was going to be like, fuck off custom-acquair and you were like, no, I'll do it myself. I'll see myself out. The cells were primitive and had many monkeys. But they lacked privacy both for prisoners and monkeys. All they had was that bed, sometimes a desk, a wash basin and a toilet, a toilet corner. There were a banana corner. Or you can eat bananas. I'll be in my banana corner. I guess that's where the banana lounges make more sense. Yeah, it's for the monkeys. The bed had few furnishings, all they got was a blanket, that was it.

What do you need? Probably a pillow sheet. I like your band a bit fuzzy. I just, what I do when I forget a pillow is I just, you know, bunch up some of my clothes. Uh-huh, there we go. You just get one of your, get one of your several. When you forget a pillow. Yeah.

When do you forget a pillow? Normally, like a music festival or something like that? You forget a pillow. Forget a pillow. I don't know why I enjoy that a lot. Forget a pillow. It does feel like a thing that you should remember. I would say it's an essential.

Yeah. Our first thing Dave Pax. The prison cells typically measured nine feet by five feet and were only and were seven feet high So very claustrophobic nine feet by five feet. So it's 2.7 meters by 1.5 meters They're like I'm five foot seven So lying So you could oh yeah, you could lie sideways, but I can't lie sideways As you often do in a room always

Never long ways What do I do the first as soon as we get into the podcast you what do in a room always Never long ways What do I do the first first as soon as we get into the podcast you what do I do? Just try and measure the room with your head. I lie sideways She lies sideways and it's it's my thing and the room he never changes So I do it anyway, and she knows it's not quite wide enough She bangs her at every time every time She just wants to confirm that we haven't changed the dimensions So I'm not very bright. She's really paranoid that we're in some sort of

matrix scenario. She's a little bit of a girl. Shut her island. It's Shut her island. Speaking of creep. Speaking of creep. One of the reasons it was thought to be escape proof, it was because of its ratio of prisoners to guards. So it could could house 312 prisoners at a time, but they only usually had about 200. And there was usually a ratio of one, uh, one guard to every two or three prisoners. Oh, wow. So they could watch them at all times. That's crazy. Which is more than any other jail in America at the time. At 24 hours a day, the prisoners were counted

every 15 minutes. What the fuck? So they're being watched all the time, even while they slept, so they were always keeping count. Oh, okay, well that's creepy. That is. That sounds like way too many guards. Yeah. It's a lot.

Tax pay is dollars too, am I right? You've counted all those benches. Your turn is two or three every 15 minutes. It feels like you, that's the kind of number that you don't have to recount. Yeah, if you're in charge of three people, you just like this watch him 1 2 3. Okay. Thank God 1 2 3 1 No, I was one when those two wandered off. I was wondering if that was gonna affect the count

It did oh no I've lost one one of one in three 2 out of three ain't bad The island was 1.25 miles off the mainland as I said it was surrounded by cold and often unforgiving water The tides were vicious and the currents often strong a hell to grudge. Oh, yeah They never forgot baby Jones locker had it in for all unforgiving It was rumored that there was man eating great white sharks in the waters. But this was just a myth.

Possibly made up by other people running the prison when they launched it in the 30s to deter people from escaping. But most of the prisoners under the assumption that if you survived the cold water, you'd probably get eaten by a shark. Sure. It was just a scare to shoot out at people.

It was also rumored that all the guards in the watch towers at around the place were expert marksmen, could take anyone out with like a sniper rifle. This was not true either, but also made up just to make people think twice about making a break for it. There were also bears in the water.

It's bears. And AIDS. And you get AIDS in the water in the 30s. That was very confusing. Very confusing. They're like, once you know, just wait, you'll get it in the 60s or 70s or really kicking, or 80s. Or 90s, look at that.

I don't know. This is well into the future. Well into the future. Look, I'm just saying decades at this point. I can't be precise. I hope to be dead by then. Polios in there, so don't get in the water. That would be my tactic. Marko.

Now, despite all of these things deterring people from escaping, some did attempt to escape over time. The most violent attempt is known as the Battle of Elkotres, where six prisoners... I don't know where they got that name from. Six prisoners took two of the guards hostage, and the only reason that they weren't successful

was their escape was because one of the prisoners... when one of the prisoners broke into the gun cage where I love it. I love it. We got to get the gun safe. But there was supposed to be a key to the front door to let them all out. One of the guards on duty had broken protocol and possibly accidentally taken the key with him. So the prisoners inside who, part of the battle of Alcatraz, couldn't get out because they didn't have a key foil in the plan. And the two guards died. Three of the prisoners were killed and two of them were later sent to the gas chamber. Oh no. What happened there? They

they checked into the hotel California and they were not allowed to leave. Hotel California. That's kind of pretty good. That's what hotel California and they went out to let the leaf Hotel California That's kind of pretty good Is that what hotel California is? The gas chamber Is that what song is about? It's whatever you want it to be about Wow It's about, is it about hell?

It's whatever you want it to be about I want it, that's what I want it to be Hey, hell, it is It's about hell, did I ever tell you that? Hell, wait Before 1962, in the first 28 years of it being open, a total of 33 prisoners made 14 escape attempts. Two men trying twice. 23 were caught, six were shot and killed during their escape, two drowned, and the last two were listed as

missing, presumed drowned. But the most notorious escape happened in the year 1962. What a year. What a year. Thank you. That was different delivery and joy. I tried to. What? A year. What? A year. Yes, a year, not as good at it. Yes, that's why it's not your catch phrase. We all have our strengths and that's certainly my loss. We all have weaknesses. You're most of weaknesses. Here we go.

What? Are you talking about? Okay. I'm talking about the Escape from Alcatraz 1962. Ah, a good year. Fuck you. The Anglin Brothers. Fuck you. The Anglin Brothers.

Anglin. Ah, what a good pair. We have a... Stop it. Alfred Clarins. Oh, that is so good. Oh, that is so good. 1931.

I got some friends who use Clarins as their like their sly way of saying, what a clarence. What a clarence. That's great. They say Clarence Hunton, it's been short down to Clarence or Clary. Check out the clarees over here. I love that because I don't really like seeing the seaward.

Yeah, so Clarence is a lot nicer. Check out these clarencers. I love that. But you know, obviously what people don't know, probably the overseas listeners. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. Cheely's clarencers. Oh, I love that. But, you know, obviously, what people don't know, probably, the overseas listeners, it's not necessarily a mean word in Australia. It's just kind of another word for person.

It's become that sometimes. Sometimes. I feel fairly recently. Yeah, okay. I don't think that's always been, but it's still, it's not a good word. Yeah, it's very, it's a very, I don't think that's always been but it's still it's not a good word Yeah, it's very it's a very I don't like that word Do you like Clarence? I love Clarence I'll definitely be calling people Clarees or Clarence. Clarence. It's nice Can you believe that when I said the other the other word the word that goes like?

Can you play another beat? Yeah, if you can blape if could blape that as well please. Or bap it up to you. I'll probably go with beat first time, blape the second. Interesting. Listen, we'll hear the subtle difference. Because I'm not here to offend. So 1962, Alfred. Alfred Clarence.

Anglin, what are the... Born in 1931. 1931 and his older brother, John William. John William, great name. No, son, John William, England. Born 1930. Okay. So one year apart, they're born.

So they are now 31 and 32 at the time of the 1962. That's right. They are. At this time? Yes. They were born into a family of 13 children. Too many children. Too many children.

Are their parents were seasonal farm workers and in the early 90s? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, I'm gonna do one of my dad's jokes, right? So you say again, they have 13 kids. We wanted to have family of 13 children in Georgia. What, do they know it was bloody calls in it? Ha, ha, ha.

Sex, dad. Sex, this is what it creates. Do they know what was causing it? Yeah. Sex. Yeah, like, is in, they got so many kids. What, do they know what's causing it yeah sex yeah like as in like so many kids I don't know what's causing it I'd love to do an episode where we call uh bring your parents to the podcast or bring your parents to work day

that's a very fun idea it is a fun would it do you all just choose one parent I think my dad I'd probably bring mom uh look no I mom would be quiet. Yeah dad sounds like a riot with that um what's the course of gear. Yeah I'm not sure both the good options. I feel like mom might might get into it more. Sure okay there we go let's have a bring your parents to pod day. Unless we supplied that with some bees. Sure. I don't want to give it a Sorry to enjoy it Is one of 14 no

Where do you come up it's all about timing delivery and my personal appearance It's all about timing, delivery, and my personal appearance. The sad, sad, sad, sad. I'm basically laughing as soon as I see you. Mainly that that pompadorn, yeah. It grows every week. It grows every week. So, John and Alfred. So, we've got Alfred Clarence, John William.

The parents were farm workers, and in the early 1940s, they moved to Florida with a whole family. The blurr, blurrrs, the brothers were very close in eight and reportedly inseparable as kids. Oh, that's nice. Both had a talent for swimming and boating. Oh. Let's keep that in the baggy mind.

Are they beginning? I don't know, I don't know where, that's gonna come out. I don't know how this is gonna go wrong. I'm gonna put it right in the back because I don't think that's gonna come again. I'm gonna just get it out of my head. Put it in the trash can, but don't hit empty trash.

Ha ha. Dave, my brain is not a computer. It is not? It is not. It's a brain, David, I'm a human being. You're a human being. I'm a human being. I'm a human being.

I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. I just wanted to practice. It was a good contact. It was a good contact. It was a good contact. Oh, I'll bleep that now, won't I just wanted to practice. It was a good contact. Oh, I'll bleep that now, won't I? They began robbing banks and other establishments as a team in the early 1950s.

Using their swimming and boating skills. Makes sense. Thank you. You can now delete. You can now delete. It's not coming back again. But they weren't as bad guys as you might think, because they most, they were definitely not as bad of as you might think because they like it most

They were definitely not as bad a people as Hitler they mostly talk I won as bad guys as you might have think because you think think so Yeah, that's what I'm trying to like as the episode goes on I'm more and more Understanding of why you're only an associate. Oh no, no, no, no, no. You know when you're trying someone should have had a talk about that. And then you fucking have it. It's really hard. Just back to back to back. Fuck it up. I might have a quick break from the chat.

I'll get through a few facts. I can't get through. You're my riddley facts. They weren't as bad as you might think of Bank Robert. They mostly targeted places after hours, which for banks is all the hours, am I right? As fuckers and ever open. I've actually written, which for banks is all the hours, am I right?

But then you ad-libbed those fuckers? Yeah, definitely. I'll take down people one I want to. Oh, you're such a badass. Fuck yeah. They wanted to avoid us or know us. Yeah, definitely. I'll take I'll take down people one I want to Yeah, they wanted to avoid us or know us I know this not this again tiny Tush I've been eating weight gain all week and it's not helping Hashtag tiny Tush over here Oh, check the time.

Wish he was dead. You had to stop riding these bodyline records. But should we also mention that it's 11.25 pm when we're recording this? I'm in a great time. I'm in a great, on a Friday night. Being associate producing all week. This is what we're recording this. I'm on a great time. I'm on a Friday night. Being associate producing all week. This is what we do for you people. Appreciate that as I have another sip of my beer

and present more of this form. We work very hard. Well, I mean, Dave is working very hard, right? And we're doing everything we can to do right on him. I'm supporting everyone financially, emotionally. But you're supporting physically. Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely, physically. Thank you very much. They wanted to avoid hurting people, so they weren't that, they weren't terrible dudes.

They weren't that bad. Like, Hitler was a bad bad. It must be a young man. They claimed that they used a weapon only once during a bank heist and that was and it was a spoon It was less offensive. It was a toy gun. You'd probably do more damage with the spoon. Yeah, you could Spoon someone it'll hurt more. Oh, it's not a knife. That's a spoon. Why are they not British accents? Because I was quoting old mate Why are they not British accents? Because I was quoting, um, Old mate, uh, fuck, we did an episode about him a while back and he was Alan Rickman. Oh, yeah. I mean, why are you asking the question? Because I had forgotten. Okay, go.

Well, I used a toy gun, but I did not stop them being arrested in 1956 and they were given 15 to 20 years sentences. They served time in three prisons were after repeated escape attempts. They were sent to Alcatraz in 1960 and 1961, which I find insane because if they keep escaping together, why do you keep keeping the brothers together? Yeah, separate them. Separate them.

But now they're both at Alcatraz in the early 1960s. Maybe they're wearing one set of pajamas, just a big one. They're not twins. No, but they tell people they are and they're, can join twins so you can't separate them. Maybe that Dave, did you read that in your little report? I did not read that. Is that what they're doing? I can't confirm nor deny your facts.

There we go, I can't confirm nor deny. I'm going to say that. So we've got the England brothers brothers, then we have Frank Lee Morris. Frank Morris, got it. Born in 1926, five years older than the brothers. He was orphaned at age 11. Oh. And spent most of his formative years in foster homes.

He was convicted of his first crime at age 13 and by his late teens had been arrested for crimes ranging from narcotics possession to armed robbery. Oh wow, okay, so he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he was a very smart man, frankly, Morris. When he took IQ tests in prison, it came back that his intelligence was in the top 2% of the general population and in the prison system probably much higher than everyone else around it. Wow.

Wow, actually Dave, you're making some assumptions there about criminals. Probably was the word used. Wow. Allegedly. Hey, I know it's controversial, but I think all criminals belong in prison. That is pretty impressive. Alright Dave. A frankly amorous, algenious extraordinaire, serves time in Florida and Georgia, then escaped from the Louisiana State Penitentiary while serving ten years for armed robbery.

He was recaptured a year later while committing a burglary and then sent to Alcatraz in 1960. Wow. So that is three people so far. Two of them attempted escapes. One has pulled off an escape. Yep. Our final member of our prison court, TET, was Alan West. That's a good name. Born in 1929, he was convicted of stealing a car in 1955. And after an unsuccessful escape attempted Florida, he was transferred to Alcatraz in 1957. So all he's done is try to steal the car, but then because he tried to get out, they're like, oh, we'll put you in the worst prison possible.

That seems excessive still. And he'd been there the longest of the four. But it's a, yeah, so four people all either tried to break out or break out of prison before. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now. You're driving, cleaning, and even exercising. But what if you could be saving money by switching to Progressive? Drivers who save by switching save nearly $750 on average, and auto customers qualify for an average of seven discounts. Multitask right now. Quote today at progressive.com. Progressive casualty and trans company and affiliates, National Average 12 Month savings of $744 by new customer surveyed who saved with progressive between June 2022 and May 2023. Potential savings will vary,

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Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu. Now the mastermind of... Masterman and mastermind. I'm a masterman and a mastermind. Hmm. I agree to disagree. The mastermind! On which one?

Surely on one. You figure it out Well take mind no man no The mastermind of the plan was Frank Morris the smart guy. Oh, that makes sense. I do That makes sense. It doesn't make sense But it was Ellen West who thought of the plan in the first place that he pitched the idea because one day was performing his job as a cleaner and maintenance man See in our alcatraz you could get a job if you behaved sure So it was a privilege not a right so not everyone had jobs, but he's been well behaved

So he was given the job of pretty much just like a maintenance guy and he noticed a small narrow shaft above an air ventilator on top of the cell house that he looked through and saw it went all the way to the roof. He observed that only a few bars covered the hole and he thought it was big enough for a man to get through. So he only had like these cross bars around. He was like if I can get the bars off I can probably get to the roof. So it was impossible to cut the bars or to squeeze past them, but if he actually saw that if he could cut the entire duct off, which had the bars on it,

then he could easily get to the roof. That was the plan. He also put two and two together and there was a very rarely used utility closet, which is pretty much like a passageway that ran behind all of the cells in their block. Like it was just like a long hallway. He reasoned that this closet, which was more like a passageway, like I said, filled with pipes, it would leave them to the top of the cell house. So he thought if he could get into this passageway behind his cell, he could climb the pipes to the top of the cell house, take this thing off and then climb to the roof, run away,

get in the water, and never be seen again. Dave, I fucking love your reports. I'm so in on this. Are you in? Yeah. Look at the hairs of my arms. Fuck it! Standing on end made.

I love, I've gotta confess, I love a good prison escape. I love reading about the things that they do, like when they, oh, maybe I'll do a report on a one day, and Second World War, you know, Cold It's Castle, have you ever seen? No. It's like a German prison camp, and then for weeks they secretly dug out this trench

that went like for 150 meters underneath the ground, and then they do stuff like in the Shawshank Redemption where they get dirt and they left secretly hiding in the ground. Oh, it's so fucking cool! Wow. That sounds sarcastic, but I meant it like that. No, that's why I looked at you like a huge absolute heartless clearance. That's the plan. Alright, so the Anglons,

the brothers, inhabited adjacent cells and near to them a few cells down western Morris were next door to each other. It is really weird. Oh no, so they're actually next door to each other. Oh. And that these presents didn't have doors. They're like, you could probably imagine. I think you've probably seen footage of Elkutra's, I don't know if you have. They've got, they've opened, they've just got bars at the front.

So anyone could, you can just come to the front of your cell and soak in the person next to you and you can just talk through the bars so they could just discuss this plan secretly. And then they could just, they've just got bars at the front. So anyone could, you can just come to the front of your cell and soak in the person next to you and you can just talk through the bars so they could just discuss this plan secretly, quietly, and then they'd meet up with the other two in like the the lunch room and they talk about this plan. And at the back of their cells, they noticed this the back wall that backs onto this utility passage. They noticed a little vent underneath the sinks that was bringing fresh air in.

It's a bloody palace, they got fresh air in there. Fresh air, they got a sink. Sink, oh my goodness. They got bars in there. It is a resort. They sales have bars, they've each got their own bar. They've got bars in there, cells, I didn't even pick that up. They've got multiple, like 30 bars per cell.

Swim up. bars per cell swim up Yeah, it's a swim up bar. We get enough water. They're good swimmers. They're good swimmers. Well, let's not forget Take a few banjos. Okay, so we're cocktail He's making it rain. It rains It's great. It's really great when you mime on the podcast look sometimes it's just for you and me Jess And I mentioned it. Oh fuck off, what about me? I enjoy your little mimes. Your little little little plays. Your little short films.

Done in live theatre. So these vents, they're sort of, they're concrete into the wall. It was a side of that using spoons and other metal objects that they could hide and smuggle back into their cells, they would slowly dig out the air vents around it so they could slip through into the corridor behind their cells. The inmates alternated shifts with one working, one digging, and another one on look out to make sure that when the guards do this count every 15 minutes, they don't

see them digging the shit out the back. They'd start work at 5.30pm and keep going until 9pm just before lights out The last hour and a half before bed was especially good time to dig because that's when all the well-behaved prisoners were allowed to play their musical instruments Okay, so they'll play like saxophone trumpets accordions and guitars and this would of course cover the sound of the digging No, they really get in there. What would they do? They'd really get in there. You could get in there. You got to dig a little bit. And then you got to get out there.

And you get back in there. Take a break. You're back in. You're so good night. Blight's out. And then you get a good night's leap. Eight hours. You got it.

I insist. You reckon I do. I think that was more visual than... Dave's face looks fresh and they are excellent. They are super funny. My face is beautiful. Okay. I didn't say that.

I said it's expressive. I was going to say it's gorgeous. It's hideous. It's fucked. You got a fuck face at a tiny tush. It makes expressions. Sure. But it is hard to look. Well, if you had a big enough magnifying glass, you would see the expressants tiny tush. It makes expressions. Sure. But it is hard to look.

Well, if you had a big enough magnifying glass, you would see the expressions my tush make, which are something to behold. Something to behold. How do you see them? I don't want to know. Continue with your report. The mirror.

A lot of mirrors. A lot of mirrors. And a lot of clenching. And a lot of getting in there. And getting out. Get back in there. And getting out. Get back in there. Taking a break.

It took the months of painstaking to get in there. But once they had dug through and made large enough holes that their bodies could get through, they covered up, this is so ingenious, they covered up the hole with cardboard. And they got a big piece of cardboard, put the vent in the middle of the cardboard then painted the Carboh are the same as the cell so if you walk past it would just look like the wall And now

Steel stuff they were ingenious security prison. They've got fucking paint supply. I got craft I can tell you what one guard looking at after two or three at any time And then I'm gonna see them do this. They're off there, you know? What the fuck are the guards doing? Oh, they've got craft an oons. It was Alan West, because he's the maintenance guy. One of his jobs was painting the prison.

They had a heaps of extra paint. And now they can get in and out of their cells into this back corridor. We know and can see them at night. Oh, it's amazing. We can take the vent out, put it back in. Imagine your heart, like getting out. That would be a real bloody thrill. So good.

And because Alan West was working, you'd probably shit yourself. Quite literally. Me personally. Just, is anybody? I reckon the adrenaline and the stress would be so much. Fight a flight with Kiki and you would shit your pants. No, I reckon. I'd fight that vent. That's the kind of thing that I reckon the adrenaline and the stress would be so much Fight a flight would kick in you would shit your pants. Yeah, I'd fight that man. That's the kind of thing that I reckon Get in there Right a little vent I'm gonna fight you then I'm gonna get it. Oh, we get it out of this. I'm gonna fight then I'm gonna fly

I'm gonna fight again He just had a really angry sip of his water there in character I think. Yeah, that water's getting in me. I'm gonna get it out of me. I'm gonna get it back in. I'm gonna drink piss. Now Old Mate Alan West who's the janitor. He's doing the jobs like the painting.

Wow, he's changed from maintenance man to janitor. The language that we use is very important. Sorry, associate janitor. Ah! He was a... Just to let you know that is like one down from a janitor. Oh, okay, okay. So just imagine a janitor but a lot shitter.

Great. You got it? It's like, you know, it's kind of, this might help you understand. Yeah how I'm a friend of yours Whereas Dave is an associate. Yeah, I knew okay Definitely cuz like obviously I hold you much higher obviously, but Dave exists It's harder to know that he does How he do exist. Oh, he do it real good.

He exists real good. He's fucked face and he's tiny tush. I work in television. Yeah. Yeah. He's got the best show of all of us. But I want to talk about Alan West. Here you go.

Talk about Alan West. So I don't want to talk about my fucked face anymore. Tell us about it. Uh, he's the associate janitor, right? And because he's doing job-late painting, he's able to ingeniously tell the prison staff that he needs to hang blankets in a room... Oh, it is ingenious. ...in a room at the top of the cell block in order to stop paint from dripping onto other

areas of the prison. That's real smart. This is very clever because he turned a room that was open and covered in bars and anyone could see into a private room and now they have this whole giant room. To go and fuck! To fuck and also hide supplies for the escape. The rest of the episode is just day of graphically describing this. I'll go and get it in and get it out. Back in, have a rest, finish off the job.

Get a good eight hours. Where's fucking done? Behind the blankets. Blanket for. West was able to hang up to 80 blankets to sort of corden off this room and no one ever checked on what he had up there. So they trusted him, the prison guards. They're like oh, yes, it's Westy

What's hanging out the blanket? Okay, also Five nine foot by five foot and you put in 80 blankets No, so fucking time. No, so this is a different part of the cell block So on top of there so it's not a prison is not a cell per se It's just a room. It's just a big room But he's now made and now they can access that room by the back of their cell. That's amazing. So I can go up there and I can do stuff Yeah, what kind of stuff I think we know Love in a now That's a burger chain

a burger chain. Oh, yeah, that burger. That's really good. Quiz nose. You're just listing chains. Apparently that's the thing in America and they made fun of it on TV. I was watching and then there were all over Iceland. When I went, I did follow that sentence at all. I did. Now one day in the prison's library, one of the members happened upon an article

in a popular mechanicals magazine on how to construct a life jacket and a life raft in emergency situations. Wow. Which sounds like a terrible thing to leave in a prison that's around a bus ward. But they found this article and they're like, great, what does to that? West started stealing and collecting rain coats from around the prison. The the coats were waterproof and floated because the guards had no Inventory they were able to acquire and stash away in the room upstairs behind the blankets up to a hundred and sixty rain coats. So no one's even checking this room. No one's checking the room. Oh my god

Other prisoners knew about their escape attempt and It was later estimated afterwards when they interviewed people that up to half of the 160 prisoners knew of the escape and many helped them by smuggling them tools and rain coats. So because they're all bad-ass criminals, no one's ranting on each other, they're all like, oh, you want to get out, cool. I love you. What?

There's no snitching because they're all like the baddest of the bad. Yeah, all like the baddest of the bad. Yeah, I thought the baddest of the bad are all snitchy. But then you wouldn't want somebody else to get out and you still have to stay there. Isn't that what's that same man that knows something amongst us? No, honor among thieves. Oh, flakin' out. But there's honor among murderers.

Yeah, come on, Matt. There's a difference between thieves and murderers. One of these guys in an attempted car thief. Yeah. We're started to, yeah, there's a difference between fees and murder. One of these guys an attempted car thief. Yeah. We're started to, yeah it's not that bad. We're started to sow the rank codes together and created life jackets for each member and also a raft that measured 4 by 16 feet. That's huge.

Yeah, so like 4.8 meters by, how are we going to get it out there? It's big. Morris, the smart guy, modified an accordion like instrument, a concertina, which he would be used to rapidly inflate the raft. So he made like a pump, like a blow it up with when they get to the water. So it's not inflated, so it's all folded up. And then when they get to the water, they're going to inflate it. That's the plan. John and Clarence, bro time, they, one of their, what their job was to fabricate dummy heads that they could leave in their beds at night. So when the guards came around and counted

them every 15 minutes, if they're out the back or in the escape attempt, they see the head in the bed and because it's dark it lights out. It's enough for them to go, oh someone's in the bed. So they made a, the heads. It's enough for them to go oh so on's in the bed Yeah, so they made a the heads were crude, but pretty life like they were constructed from homemade cement powder A mixture that includes cement I mix it included an occupier's materials that they could acquire such as soap and toilet paper So they just made it's pretty much it's paper mash it. It's paper mash it actually is I then they they are directed decorated with flesh-tone paint from prison art kits

Oh my god, that's from the craft and news and they got human hair from the barber shop you okay from the barber shop Yes, don't look now you got human hair on your hair Get it off get it off his heaps of it. You got way more than me. Yeah, I grew your instantly grossed out by human hair. No, I just saw it was weird they got human hair and there was like from the barber shop, I thought they picked it up from the barber shop. Where did you put your... Where did you get that they got it from? I don't know. They got human hair from the toilet. I was just from like the shower floors, you know. Oh, we made you down with a hair

on the floor. Yeah, can I have that? Or just like we just, you know. Oh we made you down with a hair on the floor. Yeah can I have that? Or just like we just, you know, somebody was having a nap in the face. Oh yeah couple of hairs off the soap and stuff. Yeah I was thinking peobs. I was thinking peobs. Very realistic.

No I'm pretty sure the guard would walk around and go, geez, Ellen West, head looking extra pubie tonight. Sorry pubie. Give them a bit of a poke. Oh no. I never noticed how pubie he is. What's cut pubic. Well, Ellen, pubic he was a silly calling him pubic.

Oh, they gave the heads that they made, the papermatch their things. Pet names like Oink and Oscar. Cool. What cool, dude. What cool, dude? Nally. Hey, get busy living. I'll get busy dying.

Alright. Oink. Now we get to the actual escape night. West had fallen behind in digging out the ventilator grill at the rear of his cell because his primary role was to construct a life preserver and a special wooden paddle for the raft. These tasks didn't require him to leave his cell like the others, so he wasn't that worried about the digging out bits.

The other guys had been digging out furiously and they had a big hole, but he was like, oh, I'll get there. I'll get there. Sure. It had taken six months of secretive work, but on the night of June 11th, 1962, Morris indicated that the top ventilator was loose enough,

the thing that goes to the roof, and he felt that they were ready for the escape attempt. With the dummy heads in place on their pillows and extra blankets bunched up to make it look like their bodies are in the bed. My heart is racing. Is that actually? Yeah. Is it the beers you've had? Is that, yeah, it could be.

And the speed. But are you injected into my heart? Yeah. And just the friendship. And the friendship. That's what I meant, the speed. It's an artificial, little concoction I put together. I call love of good friendship. You put that together, did you? I put it together. That's my own version of homemade cement powder.

You call it oink? I snored it straight up. French it. 50 bucks a gram. She's that expensive. French it. Hey, I could call it a French it right here. It's pure. It's pure.

I know heaps of ad-rugs. That's good. Well luckily we all know heaps of ad-rugs. That's why we're getting a lingo down so good. We've done a more horse, hero win. That's about it really and other etc if I was to fill out the form on drugs I'd take over the form the drugs form my drugs form anything to declare yeah but it drugs what you got over yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now you'll catch up time I beg no I beg I'm not gonna be able to do it. I'm not gonna be able to do it. I'm not gonna be able to do it. I'm not gonna be able to do it. I'm not gonna be able to do it.

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do that my privacy is I do. I do like my privacy. Is that cool or must you're right in front of me? I'm in a fashion. I declared I brought it down. Customs are right down the form. Got the other. What is happening? Gotta go get a hit. It is past midnight I think. And when they make the past midnight. I love that you are just said.

I am tingly. I'm so excited for this at home Everyone's like how they gonna make it? All right the dummy heads are in place quietly Just after 9.30 p.m. Lights out the prisoners left their cell for the last time But immediately they encountered their first problem. Alan West was unable to slip through the hole in his cell wall. For fuck's sake, Alan, you dumb piece of shit. This is why we should have invited Alan East because he would have...

Alan, this is much more trustworthy. I hope they don't wait up for him. It's like bad luck mate. Yeah, you snooze yellows. So is it weird, right, that I'm 100% barricading for these girls? Yeah, even though they are criminals, essentially. No, I'm barricading for them too. West had used cement to shore up crumbling concrete around his vent opening

because it looked like that. Was that all you call your butt? My vent opening. Yeah. Yes. The concrete, the cement he'd put around it to make it more to look more like a wall, had hardened overnight and it narrowed the hole and it fixed the grill into place. So he could no longer get through there. The others met were unwilling to wait. Alan West, who was the original instigator of the plan, the one that had come up with it was left behind. Well, your own fault, Alan. The brothers attempted to assist West in removing ventilator grill by kicking it from the other side of the cell in the utility corridor, but the efforts were unsuccessful. Nothing would budget it. So eventually after a few minutes they were like, so you're...

Mate! Yeah, I do feel a bit frail and I forgot who you came up with the idea but still it's like mate, you know this is probably one of the fundamental things of a breakout. You have to be able to get out of the cell. Yeah. The other three guys made their final 30-foot climb up the plumbing to the cell house roof So there's all these pipes and they just climb them like a ladder. Wow They go to the roof where they took the grill off part of me I should say they climbed up there then they're on the roof Then they traverse to 100 feet across the rooftop and carefully maneuvered down 50 feet of piping to the ground

across the rooftop and carefully maneuvered down 50 feet of piping to the ground near the entrance to the shower area. They cut through two 8-foot fences with tools that they'd improvised. And at the northeast shoreline near the power plant that was on the island, a blind spot in the prisoner's network of search lights and gun towers, so where they couldn't be seen, they inflated the raft with the concertina device. It took them ages but they got it going. When it was ready the three men pushed the raft into the water at the edge of Alcatraz and climbed on. Frank Morris. Sorry. When are they having their nap? They didn't have a nap like old mate Cassyn over. This is very confusing. That insured he got out easily. I'm gonna make Cass and over. This is very confusing. Yeah. That and Shorty got out easily. Yeah.

I'm starting to think they're not gonna make it. Well, they haven't made it yet, have they? Yeah, cause they're not. Didn't have a net. Frank Morris, John Anglin and Clarence Anglin had just made it off the rock. Alphrey. Okay, well, let's stand corrected.

Prisoners testified that they heard the men climbing the pipes and that they made a bit of noise, especially cause one of them dropped a metal tool from the top and hit the ground in the Usually clubs in a dead quiet and it's like a dead quiet Oh my god And the prisoners later said must have been must have been the rain Yeah, it's not raining it's raining metal again. Where are we? I don't know, we're doing these weird things since San Francisco.

Now, a lady that so these prisoners testified that they heard that and they said either the guards didn't hear it Or they didn't care because no alarm was raised that night or They heard it heard one noise and went that was weird no more noise. Ah, that's probably all right A sea girl's also roasted on the rooftop and according to some They made lots of noise when the men started crawling across the rooftop because all the sea girls started flying up into the air and like making again No guys reported seeing or hearing any movement. So maybe dodgy. I don't know Eventually old mate Alan West made it to the rooftop, so he made it out of his cell.

Oh my god, he got out. Well, he got to the roof. The other men were already gone, but they'd left him his life jacket. He stayed on the roof, smoking cigarettes until dawn, and then snuck back into his cell for the next morning. So he was kind of fun, but he's got a way to get up whenever he wants and just smoke on the roof.

Well, meanwhile, inside... Oh, no, he doesn't. Well, because the escape's about to be discovered, isn't it? Because meanwhile, inside the prison, the dummy heads, the prisoners had left behind of their cells, fooled any guards all night, and nothing was noticed. But it wasn't until the role called the next morning when each man was supposed to stand at the end of their bed There was notice that three men weren't getting up So a guard stuck his hand through the bars and tried to wake one of the men and then the head rolled onto the floor

Oh Jesus, I don't give you a bloody pride, hey You have a bunch of pubes left in your hand from the head So the guard and then he was like human hair Not human pews. They're from the monkey pews and the monkeys in the cell. And it's the human part that makes that gross. I have it to take some primate pew. Love a primate pew. That's strong. I feel strong, but the guard immediately sounded the alarm, which triggered one of the biggest man hunts of the 20th century. When they sound the alarm, what's that sound like?

Beep-bop, beep-beep-doosh! And all the guys are like, oh no. Shit. It's a most menacing alarm we have. The beep-bop-be-do! That's a code, right? we have. The Bee Boppy Do. That's a code red. The warden wakes up and goes, oh no, Bee Boppy Do. That's a code red or what?

It's a code. We've been training for this, boys. I didn't know this at the time, but so at first they start searching the prison and the island itself had About 75 people living on it including like like guards that live there and their family So there's like kids that live on the island. Oh shit So they're all like put into lockdown like hey don't open the door like search your basement like like we'll get people to search You're not like you 15 year old girl Oh, no, not like you 15 year old girl. Oh, no. So, like, and a, and that'd be scary.

Yeah. So, that would be terrifying. And there's all these caves, because it's on an island, there's all these caves and stuff around. So, they have to go around, and there are boats and they're searching, and they can't find anything. So, they have to radio, you know, to the FBI's brought in, and there's an air search, a sea-searched land search involving search, a sea search, land search,

involving military, law enforcement agencies, of course, all divisions and over the next 10 days. Boats helicopters and hundreds of people search high and low for the men. On June 14, Fideas later, a coast guard boat picked up a paddle floating about 200 yards off the southern shore of Angel Island which is an island that's also out in San Francisco Bay. On the same day in that same general location workers on another boat found a wallet wrapped in plastic containing names, addresses and photos of the England's friends and relatives. Oh no. Because I'd need that.

Yeah, this is not 10. 10 days later, should have had that now. Shreds, oh yes. Shreds of rank-out material believed to be remnants of the raft were found on Angel Island Beach. Following day, a prison boat picked up a deflated life jacket made from the same material, 50 yards off Elca Trez Island.

No human remains nor any physical evidence of the men's fate was ever found. That's right, it's a mystery episode all along! This is so far! Finished to this. That's another fucking good, very good. Did they survive? Did they survive? You get to tell me.

I'm going to give you reasons for why they did make it Then reasons for why they didn't make it and we'll have a big discussion and we'll end and we'll conclusively debunk this like we've Like you said at the start that there were To or presume dead But that was before no that was earlier earlier, but those people were pretty likely presumed that these guys, there's a big case for that they did make it. So, reasons they did make it. If they had died, it's really strange that no bodies were ever found. So, most bodies in the San Francisco Bay eventually wash up in San Fran, or on one of the other islands, but this didn't happen.

So it's really unlikely, so that might happen to one body, but for all three to disappear if they did die, it's very, very unlikely. You never find any of them. They're not eating sharks. But they found bits of like life raft, they found bits of life jacket, but if they made it, they obviously would have just ditched that. You're not going to carry that anymore. So they would have just left that at the shoreline and then gone on. And there were some signs of the boat, but if the boat was made of hundreds of life jackets,

more of it should have turned up, right? It may have simply vanished. So some contend that perhaps they were picked up by a boat. Police records show that there was a boat in the area at the time that night. And around Alcatraz Island, there was like a no fly zone, but for boats, no sail zone. No boat zone. No boat zone. Sail probably makes more sail. No, but I can't. I can't. No boat zone.

That is a long way around, Dave. I'm free-saling. This isn't no, it's just free-saling. Free-saling. Yeah, we can do. But there was a boat that was a little bit closer than it should have been that night. So possibly, were they waiting? Were they waiting? Were they waiting? And if they did do that, they probably would have collected the boat. The men would have gone on, thrown their life jackets

over board, and then gone on their merry way. They'd all studied Spanish prior to leaving, and there's been unconfirmed sightings over the next five decades of the trio all over South America. A detailed map of Mexico was also found in one of their cells. So maybe they made it to South America. There was a sighting of the three men in Brazil by someone who used to know the two brothers and was in prison with them. And the FBI was so intrigued that they sent someone to a bar that they were spotted in, but they didn't find it.

They did not find it. But possibly they went to Brazil. The two brothers, the England's mother got flowers sent to her every single mother's day until her death from an anonymous source. Many claim that it was the boys. But they were also one of 13, so it could have been any of the other kids. 14, doesn't it? Not, so it could have been any of the other kids. 14. Not honestly, it could have been.

When their mother eventually did die, at a funeral there was a sighting of quote, very unusual looking tall women who were wearing long dresses and heavy make-up. Could this have been the brothers secretly paying their respects to their mum dressing as women to go undercover? Long by. Christmas cards containing the England's handwriting and were allegedly received by family members for the three years after the escape. And they were, they came out a few years ago the family with these things and gave them to the history channel for a documentary.

And the handwriting was verified as the England's, but none of them contained a postmark stamp, so they couldn't date it, so it could have been old or postcards. They couldn't precisely confirm that it was after they had disappeared. But, if you want to believe it, reasons they didn't make it. Well, yeah, I wish you started the other way around.

Yeah. And on a positive day. You fucked it You fucked it so comedy I mean with we're classed as a comedy podcast Yeah, and here you are bring it at damn tragedy Not a tragedy podcast mate. There's no there's no category for that night jeans Greek tragedy podcasts Just really sad story.

How old would they be now, if they were? In their mid 80s? Okay, to me it's like the only thing that makes me think that didn't make it is surely on your deathbed or something you'd want people to know. Like DB Cooper, surely come out and be like all right I'm dying it was me mother if is That was the flat lining Thank you, but no one was there to hear him say that Mysteries never so then I came back and was like sorry. Did you say something?

I'll turn this off. Wait, not what not. He did. Oh. Okay, I guess they didn't make it. If they did live, they would have to have made a, and a tiny new life for themselves, and it meant they went completely underground, and they didn't contact their families apart from these postcards, because they were all followed and interviewed for several months,

possibly even years after the event. Yeah. Because the FBI was like, were you involved? Were you involved? Were you? Like, just at them. Every 15 minutes. Every 15 minutes.

Two to three guards taken into it. They also had to have stayed out of trouble and never been arrested again anywhere in the world. Police experts say staying out of trouble, like this is rare, especially for three career criminals. Rare, but for three career criminals. Rare, but not impossible. Sure. Not impossible.

The bay temperatures in the waters surrounding the prison ranged from 50 to 54 degrees, Fahrenheit, which is about 10 degrees Celsius, so it's quite cold. V-cold. It was determined that exposure to the elements would have affected body functions after approximately 20 minutes. I wish I hadn't so. Yeah. I can't control. I can't help me back out.

Yeah, we all called you, shoot yourself. That's a thing. It's another thing. I don't think that's a thing. But I had you. I did it. I was never there. This is interesting.

The showers that Alquatras were always supplied with moderately hot water in order to hinder inmates from becoming a climatized to freezing our cold water. Oh, that's quite clever. So it was great for people who don't want to waste. Yeah, you got a hot shower. 25 years of hot shower was, thank you very much. Yeah, I'll say that.

Yeah, it's really good. Although I have that at my house, I got hot water at my house. I could just have a shower and not be in prison Okay, well I'd take that as well. Do they have podcasting she is in prison because we could get a lot done We do I think we do it like an episode a day easily Eric No, we sort of write the reports every three a week one a week each One report every three days without a job getting in your way

Yeah, then we have the then we have the package containing names, addresses and phone numbers as well as the photographs. I think that was a decoy. Well, people argue that hey, you wouldn't leave that behind if you lived, would you? And then other people can't of that and say, but you would leave that if you wanted to think you had died. So people with you, Jess. So you can argue, either way, for that bit. I argue that. That's, yeah, smart. The Angland family would soon suffer yet another tragedy, as well as their two brothers disappearing. Possibly dying. A third brother, Alfred, was electrocuted whilst attempting to escape from killby prison in Alabama. Couple years later in 1964. Angland family. So I whole... So Angland family. Look at you.

Look at you. So I'm stealing my thing, Matt. Sorry, is that the... You've got a cool job title. I've got my wacky catch phrases. Your cool job title pays better. It doesn't though. Anyway.

After the 1960 to escape from Alcatraz, the prison was a subject of a heated investigation with a lot of people blaming guard incompetencies, mainly for letting them hang the blankets and build all that stuff as things went for that, saying or doing anything, in the toughest prison, the most secure prison in the whole of the country. People were like, you probably shouldn't, investigators came in immediately, they went, what the fuck are those blankets doing there? And they took them down and apparently behind there looked like a hardware shop because they had got all these tools, they'd built all these things, they'd even built, they didn't get to use it much, they'd built a gym.

Yeah, it was amazing. And a sauna. A spa. Yeah, they built a spa. It was beautiful. They built like their own electric drill out of a vacuum cleaner engine that they'd taken out. Apparently they couldn't use it because it made too much noise. But they were ingenious.

So the FBI came in. They were like, what the hell's been going on in here? Yeah, that does not look good for the credit workers. And they're like, did you not hear the C-girls? What about when they dropped a thing? I got a girl. Is that the phone? I got to go answer the hello, Mr. President?

I've got a girl C. Yeah. Well, and then they jump into the water. Well, because of this investigation, people, the newspapers were full of, you know, failed prison, because people were saying, well, you didn't find the bodies, so potentially these criminals were out there, they couldn't turn up any time. And the island had major structural problems because of salt, water, and sea air, sort of making stuff erode. It was a very, it was the most expensive prison because they had that

three prisons to one guard type situation. It was, it was closed less than a year later in 1963 by JFK, John F. Kennedy. It is now a tourist attraction attracting 1.5 million visitors annually, but not you Matthew. That's hape. Yeah, a lot of people. And in 1998, it was an eight year old eye visited. Is that, is that on the Wikipedia article as well? That is Wikipedia come on just. They don't do Wikipedia reports.

Good grief. I did not do that. But that is the end of the escape. What do you think? They're alive. Oh they lived. They may not be. I reckon they're still alive and I reckon they'll let us know just just before they die. I hope they're like podcasts. I hope they're like sentences. I hope they can't form them. Hey Jess, I tell you what you know what they didn't like. Life sentences. It's quite good. That was great. It was a good joke. That was great. Oh good joke. I didn't even bother to really turn it into a joke. But laugh such as, oh no I reckon they lived. I have a question. You may not know. But like, so they have? What is 300 or so? So they have like over a hundred guards working there? Well they had 162 prisoners at the time and they're maybe three Regio. Sure, so it's less than that.

I thought there was more for some reason. So probably you have in the 50s? At all times. Well they obviously do shifts as well. But do they all live on the island? Like how do they get to work is my question. Oh, on ferries I believe. So they...

Because I read this, the people that were the kids that lived on the island, there were the sons and daughters of the warrants, they actually went to school in San Francisco. So they'd go there on the ferry. How long is it fairie? The city that never sleeps. There's a bit of a commute to work, hey. It's a bit of a commute. Jeez, hey. It's a bit of a commute. Jay's always, I've spent 15 minutes on the tram and I get a bit antsy.

Who the fresh air will do you good? On a tram. No fresh air on a tram, Dave. Dave, no, I'm talking about Dave. Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave is a lot of fresh air and he's bloody golden horse and cow. Yeah, bloody gets his Maserati driven to work every day. He's fed to... Top down. ...associate producer Joe. I meant that you would if you on a ferry

I knew what you meant Dave's number plates on his car are asked pro I'm so super-ducer. AHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHA AASPROT And he's got a little ass! AHAHAHAHAHA Now I get it. We're all going mental.

It's very light. No. And we've had bees. It's tomorrow. It's tomorrow. We're sorry everybody. So Matt, do you think they lived? I would like to think they've lived.

I reckon they lived. I think they would have lived. You think whatever you'd like to think. I'm an optimist. I'd like to think that, but I just can't. Yeah, no, I'm always the optimist. I'm pretty sure I said DBCOOPA definitely lived. If we go back and check the records.

I think DB lived. But I think these guys do too. We all want a DB to live. He was the records, I think DB lived. And I think these guys too. We all want a DB to live. He was the coolest. I think these guys have too. I don't feel quite as connected to these guys. That's because they didn't wear sunglasses. Yeah.

Sit down. But. Drink a soda and whiskey. What about Alan? Oh, so I was going to end the podcast by saying that Alan West, the one that was left behind, Alan and Cameraw, with the fourth beetle. Oh, Alan I was going to end the podcast by saying that Alan West, the one that was left behind a lot of camera with the fourth beat. Oh, Alan, what happened?

I'm not sure about in the long run, but he did help with the investigation without grassing out his friends. So what happened was they noticed, oh, Alan's also got, like he went into the passage of them and I'm like, hey, Alan's also got a passage, you know, he's also been digging back here. Alan. Oh, hey, Alan's also got a passage. You know, he's also been digging back here, Alan. Oh, no, Alan. But because he helps them, he was not punished for the crime. Wow.

To be able to investigate in a lot. And because he didn't get out properly. That's interesting. I would have just thought back in the olden days, and be like, deal fuck. Yeah, I would have thought so. I would have thought he would be. They must have cut him a deal.

Because I think they were pretty fucking embarrassed that it happened in the first place. I just would have thought they would have thought so. I would have thought he would be. They must have cut him a deal because I think they were pretty fucking embarrassed that it happened in the first place. I just would have thought they would have cut him. So whilst he was not charged for his role in the attempt because of his cooperation, he was transferred to another prison in Washington in 1963 when the prison closed down. Later to Atlanta, after Servicke's sentence

followed by two additional sentences in Jordan and Florida. He was released in 1967 only to be arrested again in Florida the following year on the charges of Grand Larson E. At Florida, state prison, he fatally stabbed another prisoner. He was serving multiple sentences, including life imprisonment on the murder conviction when he died December 1978 at the age of 49. So a tragic life for Ellen Wesson. I kind of backed him until he stabbed a dude. But guys, that is the story of the 1962 escape from Alcatraz. I'm so sorry to disappoint you all with another mystery episode, but I do love them, so.

They are. We love them, but they're just frustrating. They're so unsatisfying. Yeah, they've got to be. I like ants. We can still, like there's got to be those ones out there where you can build the story in the same way and give us a resolution date. Yeah, please give us a call. Please, Dave.

It's not me. We want our listeners to put those in, thank you to Daniel Ryan who emailed that in, but if you want to get into the hat like old Danny Ryan Is Daniel is he a San Francisco? Mac, I'm not sure I couldn't tell from the email the only San Francisco's I know a Metallica Okay, and I don't think he's in Metallica. Okay I don't think Daniel Ryan was a member of Metallica but tweet in if you are and then tell your followers because you have lots

But you think you're a Daniel right? Daniel right, no Metallica, I want him to go in the amount, not in your personal account. And you get on the Metallica account then tweet about this episode please. We need it. We need it. That's very funny. Yeah, thanks guys. Of course you can get involved with the ideas.

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