Do Go On - 57 - Superman with SPECIAL GUEST NICK MASON

Episode Date: November 23, 2016

We are lucky enough to be joined by The Weekly Planet podcasting's suave larrikin Nick Mason as he talks to us about the history of Superman, including creators Shuster and Siegel, Nicolas Cage's obsession and Jess laughs at the idea of She Hulk for a fair while... Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey everybody, Jess and Dave, just jumping in really quickly at the top here to make sure that you are across all the details for our upcoming Christmas show. That's right, we are doing a live show in Melbourne Saturday December the 2nd, 2023, our final podcast of the year, our Christmas special. It's downstairs at Morris House, which usually be called the European beer cafe. On Saturday December the 2nd, 2023 at 4.30pm, come along, come one, come all, and get tickets at dogoonpod.com. It's hard to find the perfect holiday gift, but Osea's super glow body set might just be it.

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It's the first ever time that we are joined by a fourth host you have heard him before but we've never Been in the same room all at the same time together And that is the man the magic the fourth doo go on that is Nick Mason Oh thanks for having me here for the the third episode of doo go on I am yeah the the other episodes are just in between episode that I like to think so not official We had a we had a good time at that first episode where I did the Marvel thing and then the second episode where you did the Elvis since. You are doing, you know, you're sort of pulling more than your fair share of weight, having done two of the three reports.

Right, exactly. But thank you for that. One day Dave. One day what? I can only imagine Dave's reports would be shit. He'd rush him at the last minute and they'd be just, you know, very quick a paragraph probably. And it's still somehow dry as fuck Okay, that's the only bit that's accurate, but anyway guys

How are you just you haven't said very much? Well, I tried but you said before I let them speak which is typical Warnecke, but I am pretty well. Thank you patriarchy. I know well speaking of patriarchy, how about we talk about the patriony? At the time of recording we are a week ahead, we have released our Patreon this week. And we've already had a lot of support from people supporting the show, so we'd just like to say thank you to everyone that did that. And we set up our first goal. You can set goals, so I've been not necessarily familiar with Patreon. And if you eclipse that goal, a little red bar gets full and everyone seems happy. But we are, we are, we are,

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Thanks for the edge off. I like that he looked quite defensive, but that it was and a cider. A cider? Get your facts right, Wanda. Hey, and while we're mentioning Patreon and other people supporting us, Matt and I did a gig on Thursday in Ballarat. Thursday, a week ago. Thursday, a week ago, yeah.

By the time he hears. By the time you hear this. Look, enough curtain lifting, Warnakie, this is live. Whenever you're listening, we are recording it live. Yes, you, Derek. There's got to be one. There's got to be one. There's got to be a Derek. There's got to be a Derek.

I mean, we listen to everyone on the whole planet. There's got to be a Derek. If you're listening on an oil Derek An oil Derek. What's an oil? Derec. It's an oil rig. It's a fancy night for a Oh, that is fancy. Never thought of Derek being a fancy home. The nerdy is kind of in here, right? Hey, that's what this shows all about. It's built on learning and laughing at Derek Anyway, that's my report guys. Thanks for, thanks for the funny ideas. The funny ideas. No, anyway, Jess, you were doing a shout out to Belarant?

Yes, so we did a gig in Belarant, and a couple of listeners came down Josh and Connor, and they saw Matt and I do some stand-up, and, you know, politely said it was good, so that was very nice of them. But I was just really cool to meet them, so I just wanted to say a little shout out to say thanks. And I believe that they contributed to the hat.

They did. Not digitally as usual. Yeah. The first ever handwritten suggestion that was submitted to the hat. Very exciting. And can I ask, has it already been lost? No, it's in the hat.

It's in the hat, yeah. It's in the hat. Matt Shuggies pockets. It's in the hat. Matt's in the hat. It's in the hat. So that was really cool. It's very good.

They're ballerat-based suggestions, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh. Yeah. Oh, good evening. We have a sizzle there for maybe a few months down the channel. The 1947 ballerat premiership. Ooh. The pancake parlour.

You've been peaking in my hat again, Mesa. Yes. Stop it. Well, he could have been because Mesa, we've asked you back. And we've made you do all the work yet again. We've asked you to do a report yourself. Yeah, this came up.

Yeah, this came up. This came up the first time around. You did Marvel. We talked about, yeah, Marvel and the great stand-in-man Lee, who's sort of the icon, sort of this, you know, Marvel's kind of kindly uncle, who kind of... Ripped off ideas. Well, he's this great salesman and he had a hand in creating hundreds of characters for Marvel, but also in a lot of people have said that he diminished the contributions

of a lot of other people that helped him out with that. That's a good through line to Marvel. I should come back and talk about DC, because I'm sure there'll be a fun, a vonkiller kind of wrap-up figure. A vonkiller. Like an uncle. That's a great one.

Two words. We've learned two words this time around. I- A vonk and Derek. And Derek. I'll take you. But yeah, so I was like, I'll talk about DC. And we've had listeners tweeting like regularly since then asking when it was gonna happen.

Well, well, white no bloody long ago. Well, because we're not doing it. Because mostly the DC Stanley. Yeah, there's no DC Stanley. They just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, they're like rolled up your tongue for the whole night. I know, they would call the episode DC Stanley, right? If only it was so easy, but like, they, they, I mean, Marvel's was all about sort of like rolled off your tongue for the whole night. I know, it would call the episode DC Stanley, right? If only it was so easy, but like, I mean,

Marvel's was all about sort of breaking away from the mainstream and doing their own thing. And in many ways, DC was the mainstream. So there's going to be DC bass. There's DC related. I'm actually excited for that because I was expecting DC and usually when we walk into the room, and I'm not reporting, I don't know what we're going to talk about at all.

And now I feel like I don't know, so it's good. Yeah, because I'm sort of brought in, you guys know what's happening. And my question was gonna be, what was the thing that I did last time, but it's the other one. Which is, which is, they say. But luckily, we found a way around that.

So, okay, so my question is, it's got a little bit of a lead up. So in February of the 2000, the police were called to the fancy Bel Air neighborhood in Los Angeles to a mansion. This was not the home of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, but the Fresh Prince of acting. Nicholas Cage, Nicholas Cage's house, and he'd called them in to report a theft. He was in rage because, because something had gone missing from his mansion. See, he's the,

he's his skill. Oh, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, that... Oh, Nick. I feel this process is that every couple of months his agent comes in, he's got a big stack of scripts and he's like, okay, we're going to remain at comedy, we got an action film, we got a blah, blah, blah. And he just takes the first one off the start and he just goes, that one. That'll do. I want that one. Yeah. But he's also known as an incredible Oscar-winning actor, leaving Las Vegas.

That's right. But also, he's sort of an obsessive collector. So he's an obsessive collector of things. So he's, he's, he's literally never left Las Vegas. In a way. He's an oi. I don't know what that meant, but I just thought I'd agree.

Yeah, good point. I just wanted to be a... I just wanted to be a... Derek is the name of an oil rig. So we've all learnt something. Well, if you've come always one fact, it's that one. So the question is... Why won't Nick?

Yes. He's an obsessive collector of bad movies nice yeah because was it was a Nicholas Cage and Leonardo DiCaprio last year that had a big bidding war over a this was in 2007 he tried to be on some sort of dinosaur skull Nicholas Cage has a collection of dinosaur skulls in course it does but who won that one him versus Leo though both That was Nicholas Cage Firstly Dave you said was that last year it was in 2007?

They might they might have a continual hell slowly is your life going or quickly well We are talking about dinosaurs. I mean on the in the scale scheme of things One year nine years well, I don't want this dinosaur skull anymore from 2007 Did one of them have to give it back? Because it was stolen? Nicholas Cage had to give one of his dinosaur skulls back to Mongolia, because it was stolen from the... Sorry, Mongolia. The nation of Mongolia, yeah.

But okay, but the... The thieves went right past his collection of dinosaur skulls. They went past his collection of shrunken heads. They went past his half a million dollar 1955 jaguar d-type that he had assembled in his lounge room. You can't get it through the door. They built it in his lounge room. He sounds like fun.

Yeah. What's the purpose of that? Do you rev it? Yeah, you rev it. You rev it? I don't forget. Yeah, that's maybe. From Rome.

Does one rev it? Yes. Does one rev it? Yes. Does one rev it? No. But the thieves did not steal any of that. But because it was literally a possible to drive it. In a way, sure.

What do you think they stole? If I give you a hint, what's in these Oscars tattoo? No. I give you a hint. The man who they brought in, the detective they brought in, his name was Don Hrychek, and he was the head, or he was at the time, the head of the LAPD's Art Theft Unit. Oh, I guess some sort of part. Yeah, so for example.

He was a detective, was he like a DC? Is that a kind of detective? Detective? What's the... P-I-I, P-I. I'm thinking of P-I. I'm thinking of the B-I. You're thinking of the bill. Yeah, the DCI.

DCI, OK, go ahead. DC is also a thing. Detective Constable. OK, yeah, good. That's what I was thinking of. I love the bill. That's why I know, because I love the bill. DCI is the Chief Inspector.

Oh, very good. We talked about that on first date with Jess. Yeah, it goes like a lot of the bill. Constable Sergeant Chief Inspector. So the thing I said wasn't dumb. I know why it's just recapping kind of is it? In what way? His copy.

Yes. Of action comics number one featuring Superman. Yes, it is. Amazing. Good work, Dave. Thank you very much. Yeah. I know a bit about Nicholas Cage in his dinosaur skulls,

but not enough to know that it was seven nine years ago In fact, you might Know about Nicholas Cage. So he's he's actually Nicholas Coppola So he's the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola and his stage name is Nicholas Cage after Luke Cage the Marvel comics Character who now is a Netflix series That's a little bit tidbit and see in this here. Does he get a cameo? No, you don't say me now is a Netflix series. So that's a little bit tidbit. And you see in the suit, does he get a cameo? No, he don't say much. You think you demand one.

Well, you think so. Also, his second son, who I think is eight or nine right now, he's named his Cal L. And is that suit? That is Superman's Kryptonian name. OK, so Nicholas Cage. Huge. Niiiight.

Oh no. I got it. But who would you say is a big a Superman fan? Jerry Seinfeld on Nicholas Cage. I think you can hang me in your kid after. Yeah. Like you are. How do you spell that?

That's not a normal looking name. That's K-A-L, hyphen E-L. Oh, nice. And is he a Cajn or a Coppola? He's Cal-L Coppola, I believe. Oh, okay, that's pretty cool, actually. Right? He sounds like a rapper. DJ Cal-L Coppola. believe. Oh, okay, that's pretty cool actually. Right. He's like a rapper. DJ Cal L Coppola.

A DJ or a rapper, Jess, please. A DJ then, Matt. A DJ who doubles. Yeah. DJ De Blu. Cal L Coppola. Cal Dabla. Cal Dabs.

De Blu's good. Yeah, so action comics number one. First appearance is Superman, so I decided to talk about Superman. Because it's got a fun little wrinkle. What do you guys think about Superman? For some people, I like it. He's bloody super. Now I think I already made my opinion on the Marvel episode.

We briefly talked about some sort of DC thing. So Superman, I think, I find him a bit, when he's too good, a little bit dull. A bit boring, because it's so good. Too good at his job, or too good as a man. As a man. Well, how many roads must a man go down? That's absolutely his cowl. That's absolutely his cowl. Look at he's almost unstoppable part of him.

Invincible kind of thing, right? Invincible kind of thing, right? But he's also, yeah, he's a bit of a good boy, right? Well, I think a lot of people will say, and I think we did talk about this in the previous episode. He's kind of a one-dimensional goody-two shoes. He's kind of, he can do anything. He can, you know, he can juggle planets.

He can fly around the world backwards and then turn back time. Is there anything he's bad as he, like, sexually awkward or something like that? That would be amazing. If you just, like, couldn't make the first move. Well, I would like him a lot more in a call. Well, I think maybe it's actually the other way. There was a famous essay written a few years ago called

Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex, which details the physics of Superman having sex with a mortal woman. Not good? Not good for anyone, but mostly. Mostly love's line. Sure. Yeah. People have too much time I feel So what were they saying that the physiology of the two of them? Yep, but leave one rendered correct hurt. Yes, by any encounters first. I see does he I mean does he even have a human dick? Well

He has a son now in the comic books. He has a son and Lois is the mom correct. Oh Did he have to go in a cup? Is she now in a wheelchair? No one no guys. Come on guys come on come on No, it's fine. You can do it. Yeah, I mean so it's so a lot of people sort of question the relevance of Superman but like in terms of like he's the origin of the of the term like when you think super hero, I mean, so it's a so a lot of people sort of question the relevance of Superman, but like in terms of Like he he's the origin of the of the term like when you think superhero that I mean that's the Yeah, is that why they're called superheroes because he's super yeah, well a bit of credit there. Yeah Yeah, I mean until until Superman arrived there was no such thing as there was I mean there was there was a you know We had yellow yellow man. Ah, we had, we had the yellow kid.

The yellow kid. He was the first, first comic book character. Yellow man. And did you just say the Phantom? Okay, because, all right, I'm gonna bring this up. Oh, no. The first episode, Nick Mason was on. We talked about superheroes.

I felt a little embarrassed to reveal my favorite superhero. Then when I was away in Iceland, not at Nazi camp, but some of you will say. I mean, none of us said that right now. And you did the, and Matt did the Elvus episode. Somehow the fan did came up and you all laughed at how shit the Phantom was. The Phantom is my favorite comic book character. He's also that big, right? He's very cool. Sammy J. And Zach Romani Donner. Yeah. This studio is as full of weird Phantom people. And do I need to remind you,

I think we have a mind of waterfall here. And Matt Stewart was there as well actually. Do you remember this comes at one night after a gig here in Melbourne? Do you have a clip ready to go? We went out for dumplings with a group of comedians. Matt Stewart was there. I was there. Nick Mason was there.

Now US superstar Ronnie Chang was there. That's right. Buying dumplings and forcing me to eat them because I'm too thin, he was worried about me. I didn't know. We were talking about superheroes and I revealed that my favorite was the phantom and Ronnie Chang, now US superstar, laughed at me for about five minutes. The phantom was, do you have any recollection of that? Because I have not forgotten that. And I've been too embarrassed to talk about the the Phantom ever since. But you will when you can name drop Ronnie Chang, man. That's right. Yeah. Oh, we know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We know. We, yes. Or more than dabble. Um, is the fan to laugh at by non people that aren't obsessed like myself or Sammy J. So I think he's just had a bad run.

Like he had, there was, they, they, I think he's a character where maybe the time has passed for that sort of genre. Like he's sort of stuck in the sort of 1920s, 1930s kind of era and they attempted one movie with Billy Zane and the title role. I like that movie you did yeah It's fun. That's what I was what was that I was a child Six or 96 or seven because I reckon I was six or seven exactly and McDonald's did the tie-in and they're the happy Melee he get the skull rings. Yeah, and I can't to be honest haven't seen it since so probably watching it now as an adult

Would have a different opinion, but I remember it fondly from my childhood. But is there a reason why they couldn't give it the Captain America treatment? I want to reboot him in the future. They keep trying. There's why there's there's heaps set in them because he's he's a descendant like he's a he's the current one in a long line of phantoms. So you can set him basically anywhere. There's one set in 2040, the defenders of the earth is set in the future. But yeah, it just never latches on. I mean, there's plenty of diehard fans and there's some good stories, but it's not. Yeah. Is there a chance? Because it's from some other weird third company, isn't it? Is there a chance?

There's a feature syndicate. Maybe one of the good ones could buy it and make it into a good thing. No, both Marvel and D.C. have tried. Why would these people not want to make billions of dollars? Well, what'd you say no to Marvel knocking on your door? Wait, you mean they've tried to do it or they've tried to buy it? Yeah, Marvel and D.C. have both had phantom series of the years. Right, and they just followed. So I thought you meant they tried to buy it. Oh, and these King Peeces were like statively fork was like no, no, no, no, sir. I think I know what we're doing.

So yeah, like, so the idea of a, you know, man in tights meeting our justice, we had, you know, we had the fandom, we had Flash Gordon, we had Buck Rogers, we had those kind of guys. But this was, they were, you know, there were, there were humans with a little bit of an edge and they were kind of, you know, they were, they were humans with a little bit of an edge and they were kind of, you know, they were, they were just, they were just regular human beings, more or less. And, but, but Superman, they were like, okay, well, what if we gave him all the powers,

what if, what if he was the mightiest man in the universe kind of thing? And so, um, so we called him mighty man. There is a mighty man. It's like, yeah. Try, try and name another super hero I bet they exist um Microphone stand adjusting man You got me thank you copyright it's it's fucking terrible the estate of Lee fork is tried to What about like say realistically like something that's a positive word and then a type of human or thing

The first one was, I thought it was super man. That's his so iconic. What about excellent? Man? Mr. Excellence? There's a Mr. Terrific. Fucking hell. Mr. Terrific. It's a great.

Captain Fun. Have I covered all the bases? Hydra man's real our man is real He's a friend of the point of the bottle of water our man with his watch Tough man tough man real. Yeah, my alcoholic dependence him. I'm that's all I'm man. That's you it Yeah, so I mean so so we we started with action comic number one. It was in 1938, 10 cent cover price, 10 bargain at the time. Was that a bargain at the time?

That was about standard. And what's this 1938? This is 1938. A good year. Very good year. What's the name of the gem? And so Superman didn't get the whole issue. It was like an anthology issue.

Various other characters. Marco Polo, famous adventure, got a historical... Marco Polo, was he a super palo? No, just regular. Y'all on Am I right? Superman was the first one to have super palo. Captain Smith, he's a thing. Yeah, that's right.

He's one of our own. Just saying. So yeah, Superman only got 13 pages in the first issue. Was that a whole story or two big and tenured time? I was a series of stories. So he had a one-page origin. That was one of the pages. He finds a man who's beating up his wife, and he just

felt that thumbs him. So it's good. But like kills him. No, he doesn't die. OK. Probably wishes he was dead. Superman doesn't kill people, right? Or that Batman that Batman Batman doesn't Superman has from time to time. Oh, yeah, if Superman

Such a good boy He saves a he saves a woman from the electric chair wrongly convicted. Oh, and he put the latest recapture and try No, no, no, he goes to court. He presents new evidence. Just very very fast. He gets a lot of greed to do so, you know fucking wood He didn't can save stompy the elephant though Don't bring that up again. That made me so sad. That was really sad Thomas Edison you maniac Thomas Edison man Electro Electro Super villain Electro static lightning lad There are that many good girl ones I'm getting some some good girl ones bad girl super girl Wonder Woman

She helped yeah She helps a good girl She helped yeah, she helps to be a lawyer. She helped yeah, but this is very Doctor doctor X and why oh yes Instead of doctor X chromosomes X and Y would be a man. Yeah, yeah Fuck Otherwise everyone would have immediately got that.

Jess is still laughing at she- She's still laughing. Why, she-ho, funny. Surely electric ladder, whatever's funny. Lightning lad. Look, she-ho! Oh, God, what's that? That's so dumb.

Uh, it's- Next- Next on, really nice thing in coming here today. No, no, he didn't- He didn't-he didn't-he didn't- She-ho, sorry. I'm laughing at singing come in here today. He didn't invent she, sorry. I'm laughing, I need to know what I'll take my last word I can get him. Let's try it again, she Hulk. Is she Hulk respected?

Are we going to be chastised for laughing at she Hulk? No, no, she Hulk is a, she Hulk received a blood transfusion. She's the regular Hulk. Cousin, she received a blood transfusion from the original Hulk. And she's also a lawyer so that's the funny it's funny yeah very interesting still laughing still laughing at the lawyer she hope not still pretty funny it is funny what would it would have been fun like I don't know where you would go with it though because all the other ones it

ends in man so you just flip that but Hulk has got no idea you know it a grip on to Mrs Hulk exactly yeah yeah like lady Hulk could it just be Hulk lady yeah because if it was just Hulk it would be confusing right I'm the I'm just the woman Hulk but I just call Hulk because it's not right that I should have to he doesn't have to have a Mr Hulk, why should I? Oh, sure, that's right. I mean, we're digging deep into something here like a lot of, like a lot of,

checking this is how much of them are created. Four people sit around and just like, probably. Back and forth until they're like, yeah, chickhulk. Yeah, chickhulk. I'm actually really glad, this is so off topic. I'm really glad my dad was not aware of chickhulk because when I was,

you might have been named shehulk, because when I was... You might have been named she Hulk as a child. Because when I was like 12, I always played basketball since I was about 7. And when I was 12, they changed the rules so that girls played with smaller basketball. Wow. Because they decided girls were weaker, but we were used to the bigger ones. So then I would always throw the ball out of court because I... You're too strong.

Throw it stronger than... And my dad always used to be like, nice past, eager, but she-hulk could have been much funnier. She-hulk. Is that a thing for professional, like, people in the WNB, other women's national basketball league? Do they play with smaller balls? I couldn't say for sure, but I still play basketball and we play with the six and the men play with the seven.

So I would probably assume. That is bizarre. In the new women's AFL league, they're playing a play with a small ball and with two less players on the field. Same size field. Same size field. Well, I mean, they're all randomly sized anyway. Why less players? They reckon it's a better way to play Just less bitchy that way. Yeah, just less bitchy. They've done science That's why the team goes. That's why the two less players two of them are always going off the side A bitchy maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's still there. No, because one's always offended and has to go and then her friend has to go with her Stacy way

And then is the smaller ball is a small-able pink you can understand I'm very that upsets me quite a bit I hate that one yeah this well it The less players are supposed like 16 on the field is just I think it's a better way It's supposedly a better spectacle, but that's I don't know. They're apparently apparently the players themselves Tick this off so I I was at first. I'm like this is stupid and then I read that I'm like Well, I guess they've probably got more right. Yeah than I do so I'll just slink back down and mitchy Yeah, well, yeah, cool. If they think that's what they said great, but it's just dumb she Hulk Fucking she-hulk

We had a good laugh Sorry to do rail oh sure, thank you. That's right. Do go on. Oh, sure. Thank you. That's my first actual, my first do go on, I think. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're welcome. You guys. Oh, what is, oh, we also rescue Lois Lane, who's

his longtime love interest for the last eight years. Oh, in the first episode. In the first. Yeah, Lois Lane. Yeah. But she wasn't the electric chair. No, different woman. He's just saving woman, like, and right.

Joking, she's, Lois would be pretty jealous. But like that, that was often a, that was, that's been a foil for many years lowest lane learner Lang So Joe lowest couldn't get over the fact that he saves someone from the electric chair That's right. Yeah, I know. Yeah, right. I mean she was innocent lowest the evidence is there Does look let him fry? Steadie on his lane So at this point he was basically he was He could he was superhumanly strong and he could leap over tall buildings

So hence the you know more powerful than like a motive able to leap tall buildings in a single bound You know, okay, can I ask the the famous phrase? What's that a bird? Is it a plane? Is that a old thing? Was that a movie now that's from the radio show? Right did that come along? Oh, that was like 1943 Okay, which is like Matt's era Did you do somebody? Yeah, I was there I did yeah, some of the crinkling of paper. Oh, yeah, I can't remember what that was for But that was one of it one of it yeah, probably he didn't have heat vision at this't have heat vision at this point. He didn't have extra vision. He didn't know I'm super breath

He didn't have super breath. Yeah, so well, you know like I always minty How do you guys minty? How do you go to like university or something to get that? You don't think so can I get that it's more a case of a You know a lot of the we're talking about you know a lot of you're saying a lot of superheroes will probably develop around a room Just people going you know What about this what about this a lot of I think a lot of you're saying a lot of superheroes will probably develop around a room just people going, you know What about this what about this a lot of I think a lot of this stuff was like well, why not? Just just throw it. He just give him. Why not? How can he get through that? I can just use his extra vision

He can say through it. Why not? Yeah, he's pink. He's a key to every car in the world Yeah, so so the I guess the original incarnation of Superman the idea was was he'd come from a planet Krypton where everything was a much more harsh environment. So the sunbait downhard or the gravity was much more intense and the air... She hoped it was this. I was trying to give you facts, alright? Come on! I just thought into my head again. If you need to live the room, we'd like some pictures of sheathe hull.

I can't make it worse. But the atmosphere was kind of like, peace soup kind of, you couldn't see through it. So as a result, he was stronger and he could leap and he could see through. So if everyone from Krypton survived, they get to kill, right? The planet was on?

Yes, the planet was unstable at an unstable core and so Superman's father Jorrell Nikos Katie's second job that's right He Come back here get him get in your room your planet is about to be destroyed. God get out of my debts and in the bathroom You're planning to be destroyed. God, get out of my debt center in the bathroom. He was like, the plan is going to be destroyed. I'm going to put my son in this ship and send him off to her.

And nobody else believed him and then the plan was destroyed. So all the other Kryptonians were. Right. Why did you? Jorah, I'll get it in the plane. It wasn't enough resources to build. Oh. Then another spaceship.

Oh, that's good. I thought there was going to be no answer to that. So I feel like a bit of an idiot. I didn't realize all that stuff about the harsh environment and stuff. That's a really sweet way of explaining it. Well, that's old school. He's Superman's been rebooted a number of times. The explanation has changed. So, over from that original one, if the planet hadn't survived, would everyone be as good as Superman? Yes, they're like, they're like, our planet. Yeah,, would everyone be as good as Superman? Yes, they would. If they came to our planet. Yeah, they would, yeah. Is that what happens with people like Supergirl and stuff?

They're like, oh, okay. Yes, it turns out, after a while they go, okay, what if there was another Superman? And so they're like, when it was a lady, let's make Supergirl. So it turns out that Supergirl's father had also put her in a rock. There it turns out there was enough resources for one more rocket. So they put her in the rocket. And she was actually older enough resources for one more rocket, so they put her in the rocket. And she was actually older than, she was sort of a teen girl at the time,

and she was sent to Earth, but it went, you know, it flew off course, but the time she ended up on Earth, Superman had grown up to Superman, and she was still a girl. Oh, oh, that means that like time. I guess that's why she's girl and not super woman, because that, but there is a super woman, so don't worry about that good good. It's already a simple one She's a super girl because she's still a teenager correct gotcha right. Yeah, so nothing can happen between super man and super girl

No, they cousins you so day. So what's the problem? Let me tell you already know about the purity. You don't, don't, you don't, you don't, you know about that, mate. But she and him are the only two compatible people that aren't going to kill the other one. So, what, therefore it's okay to fuck your cousin. God, you're sick, won't it? Sick, I, yeah. Gross, man. I mean, then what happens, happens Dave what's the next generation yeah

what then what then Dave they've got super tumors and super bloody super extra thumbs you don't want an extra thumb I kind of want to get out of the thing about yeah think about three thumbs up yeah great time do go on okay so yeah so eventually'll mention over the many years, I guess the number one conceit of the Superman had none of the other heroes had. Like, if you think of the fan to be thinking of Buc Rogers, those kind of guys, they were always that guy. You know, they were all like, it was all like, you know, the most, the greatest difference was the fan to put occasionally put on a trench coat and it'd be the fan who wearing a trench coat. But, what do you say that?

Hello, I am the fan who wearing a trench coat. But Superman's creators, they invented the conceit of sort of the super secret identity. So Superman was, you know, he was this paragon of virtue when he was Superman, but when he wasn't, he was just Clark Kent who was this bumbling reporter. And like that, so that sort of, I guess, struck a chord with, you know, kids especially, because he, like he loved Lois Lane, but she loved Superman, like she had no interest in this bumbling idiot Clark Kent. And it kind of, I guess for kids and teens especially,

it was sort of like this, you know, I have so much more to offer. If I want you to know the real me. If I want you to know the real me, exactly. That's that kind of thing, yeah. I'm at one of know I have so much more to offer once you know the real me once you know the real me exactly That kind of thing. Yeah, I'm at one of nice guys always I'm such a nice guy. I wanted the girls look at me Is that you as a teenager, Maddie? No, that was me doing Dave Hang on

That Matt was trying to pin one on me and Jess slammed one on him. Oh, classic perk. I was being too real and Jess felt sorry for Dave. IA. Jess didn't feel sorry for Dave. She just wants to make you feel better. So yeah, so over these Superman developed all these various powers, you know,

the heat vision and the flight and the millions of other powers. And yeah, it was just kind of bored room kind of thing. The only, for a long time, his only weakness in the universe was kryptonite. And we were speaking about the radio show in the... kryptonite was invented basically because... Radio Shesha, you couldn't draw them obviously because they're... performed by real people.

No, that's true. It's true, yes. I just don't think, I'm not a bloody report veteran like you guys are. I think the listeners could even imagine what a radio show would be like. No, just voices in your ears. It seems dumb, it's weird. So basically, the guy who played the voice of Superman on the radio show, this is in the 40s, Bud Colier. Basically, did you know him, Matt? Yeah, it was my best man.

Oh, yeah, it was my best man. Wait, it's younger than me, it's funny, right? Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, he's my great, great, grand son. That's still almost fucked it, but yeah, he's like, why are you younger than me? Hope he's doing well, that young buck. So basically, Bud Colier, who was the voice of Superman, but yeah, he's like, why are you younger than me? I hope he's doing well that young buck. So basically, Bud Colier, who was the voice of Superman, was like, I kind of want to take a vacation from this.

I just don't want to, I want to have a few weeks off for whatever people did in the 40s. And so the premise, they were like, okay, well, we need to weaken him and we need to trap him. And so basically, they invented kryptonite. They put him in a kryptonite cage that weakened him and they just had a stand in just grown in pain for several episodes Oh my god. So basically it was like you know, it was like you know Perry White who was the you know the head of the the daily planet going We're Superman. We've got to find Superman. Let's just stop this and love signs. Oh my god

I love Superman. Where is he and then just cut to Superman going oh? I'm mean such pain that's amazing so that's how most of these things were invented that's guys pre-recorded units what's the idea so the so what is Krypton Krypton? Krypton art is so that's right so Krypton had an unstable core and so Superman escapes. Supergirl escapes. Krypton, the superdog escapes. Krypton, sorry. Who? Krypton, the superdog. That's a joke. He doesn't have a specific breed. He's white. He's like a white labrador.

He's a bit of a mix. He is a mix, yeah. He's kind of like a white Labrador. There's a bit of a mix. Yeah, there's a mix, yeah. There's a m- He's a m- Super, super bitser. Uh, various other, whoever needed to escape to be added in the series later, escaped, and then Crypton exploded, and the remnants of Crypton became these glowing green rocks

called Cryptonite, which are lethal to Cryptonians. Right, and is that for an, yeah. Even, they're planet. Okay, well, who's to say? Yeah, there's no, I don't planet. Okay, well who's to say? Yeah, there's no, I don't know. Look, you've had a lot of good answers so far Nick. What Dave, there's nothing on Earth that could kill us? That's a good question.

I can't, I can't regular rocks. I can't think, I can't, people have been killed by regular rocks. Right, I'm not. They want, they want a thing that could kill me. A spestos. A spestos man. A spestos man. Was that a thing?

Ratsack lady. Oh She's up with the back Anyway action comic number one so people they made about 200 they bring about 200,000 copies of action comics number one, but I mean comic books, comic books up until maybe the 90s, nobody cared about comic books. They were like the newspaper. You would, you'd read it, you'd show it to your friends, you'd pass them around, you'd stick them in your back pocket

or whatever, and so the 200,000 copies left is maybe 100 left now. Oh wow, so that's 100. 101, maybe probably less now. Wow. So it's 100. Maybe probably less now. Wow. And who are the people keeping them? Are they just accidentally?

Oh, it's the least of all 100. No, well, just mean were they people who were like going, I love this so much on a keep it, or were they just people who some reason just found it later in there? Well, we'll get to it in a little bit, but a lot of them had just survived by chance. Right. It's just where they happen to be, you know, an abandoned building or a, what have you.

And they've just been, they've survived sandwiched with going something else. That's cool. And they just happen to have them survive, yeah. Fuck, check your sandwiches, people. Yeah. Um. San witches.

He looks so proud, but also hates you the same. So anyway, Nicholas, I just copy of Action Comics number one. Yes, I'm very excited. So he had one of the best. So it was a near mint. So when he bought it, they didn't have... There wasn't a real grading system, but they were like, oh, this is near mint. It looks pretty great.

Later, they developed a grading system from one through ten. It's ten being... Ten is the best oh that's right yeah so and that's good that's the most surprising thing today the higher the number the better the condition well do I need to tell you that whoever comes number one at the Olympics gets the gold thank you but what if they found a better copy what if number one was the best and they found an even better copy? What would you do then? Oh? Oh no, no, no two gold bills. Oh great. Yeah, okay. This is a three gold medal rated

It's got it's golden and gold. It's a lot of it's a 107 gold medal rating So so do they later say what Nicholas cages version would be for? We'll get right we'll get to it very soon. I can't wait I just love this. So his name in so the first time I'd ever appeared Unnamed by a named seller it was sold at Sotheby's which is the the big auction house in England for $86,000. That's in 1993. Sotheby's Sotheby's.

That's funny. Then it was bought by man named Stephen Fischler. He owns a big collectible store in New York called Manhattan Collectibles. He bought it for $135,000 in 1996. And then in just sort of 1996, 1997, Nicholas Cage was signed on to do a Superman movie. It was called Superman Lives.

It never came about. But he was fitted for the costume. I've seen a video of it. Oh, what would have I seen a video of? photos. No, you would have seen video and Almost he would have been so excited. Well, he absolutely stoked. Yeah, that was that was his late dream Yeah, I'll do it for free. Right. Well, yeah so yeah, and he there's there's footage there's um Kevin Smith the the film director he was brought on to write a draft all that script and The producer John Peters who also produced the 1999 Batman movie he was give he gave Kevin Smith three notes I don't want to see him in the suit. That's Nicholas Cage Superman. I don't want to see him in the suit for the whole movie

Yeah, I don't want to see him fly what and he has to fight a giant spider in the third act those are the three Those are three really dumb notes, right and I know film buff. I did a bit of film so it's a university But that sounds like a really dumb idea. I know my arachnids Okay, what would Sydney Shindburg think of that do you reckon spider? Spider, how about a ladybug? It's love, ladies! I think that's what it's like. Mm-hmm. Hey, remember She-Hulk? Get She-Hulk in the fall back!

I can't be back to She-Hulk in a couple of weeks, guys, so. Oh, she-Hulk origins. Hold on. I mean, I guess that's the kind of meant. So this was going to be a Tim Burton film. And I think, so Tim Burton was going to direct it. Yeah, this was after Batman. They're like, you're the guy, you're the man. Oh my god.

And the guy that produced Batman, which was good. And John, it was for my hairdresser. Why? Maybe he came to the movie producer. Yeah, but I think there was a lot of drafts. There were a lot of meddling. People couldn't settle on a script for a really long time and then people dropped,

Tim Burton dropped out because he didn't wanna be a comic book movie guy anymore and it all just sort of felt the past. But in their defense, I'm sure you must have seen much more comic book movies than most of us. Have you seen ones that are worse than a giant spider? Surely there's worse. Oh, absolutely, yeah.

Mm-hmm. Well, it sounds ridiculous, but maybe it could have been great the fabulous for for instance Or is fantastic fantastic for yeah fabulous. I wish there were Giants by the Fabulous John Peters waited later went on to produce the Will Smith film Wild Wild West. Oh wow that and the there was a Giants But there's a giant robot spider. So apparently that's his thing Oh, that is He's got a weird fetish and no that movie sucked Yeah, it wasn't great., that is a Weird finish. Yeah, and that movie sucked

Yeah, it wasn't great. It made a lot of money. Yeah So oh wow worse So it's so to prepare for this role Cage went to Stephen Fischler who's this collectible Zona and who had action comics number one And he bought 400 vintage comics and one of them was action comics number one Which he bought for a hundred fifty thousand dollars. He bought 400 comics for that all superman Now they were all just an assortment. I think you wanted to get into the what the fuck Yeah, I think I think you know what I think of what because he's always been like I said this obsessive collector He's always been into this sort of stuff. I think it might have been a case of, if I buy 400 of a time,

and I say it's a research thing, I can write it off. And then you automatically got a collection too. It's like, get any collection, where you've just got a three, and you're like, no, it's a collection. That's right. You get start with 400, you're a collector. Exactly.

Well, can I ask, you know how he's obviously into Superman so much, he names his kid the real name. Yep. In this time, was he into Superman or did buying this comic make him even more obsessed? Do you reckon? Oh, that's interesting.

Or was he already an obsessive Superman? I feel Nicholas Cage is always at level 10 obsessed with everything else. From one to 10? Yes, Southern means with giving a turn. I don't think he could go over or under that at any point. Wow. So anyway, Superman, origin of Superman.

So Superman was created by the writer Joe Siegel and sorry, Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster, who they grew up, they were friends together in Toronto and Canada. And so Joe Schuster, he grew up on like comic strips. His father would, you know, put him up on his name and show him all the comic strips. Some of his favorites, I took note of this because point of his name and some of the comic strips some of his favorites

i i took note of this because i thought they were fun uh... his favorite comic strips are the cat and jammer kids boob muck nut it's a game it's a fifties you know anything about the uh... it's a less than a bad it's difficult to google that

speaking of uh... happy another one happy hooligan and Barney Google. Was a Barney Google, sir. Not as good as Boob and McNutts, but no. Barney Google. So anyway, Shuster was this sort of tiny little teenager who wanted to be a tough guy. And he was kind of like, yeah.

He was the kind of after school work out and eat raw eggs kind of. Was that kind of you? I really like this guy. And he illustrated a comic strip for his high school newspaper. Damn it. Is this my life? So he met, these two met in 1931, and they worked together on this little fanzine school

newspaper kind of thing, which they sold for $0.15. Oh, super, super, man. Yeah, for more than, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, so in 1933 they created a character called, they created a story called The Rain of the Superman where this Superman was this ball, villain with mental powers.

Didn't really go anywhere, so that's fun. But I can think about plenty of bald, bald people with superpowers to come. Yeah, I know, right? Why do they have to be bald to get the thoughts out of their head? It's like hair is trapping them in. Imagine Professor Xavier from X-Men with an Afro. He's like a Kniem.

Or they just glue an Afro wig to his head and he just can't do his telekinesis. So Jerry Seagull said, in an interview in the 80 80s he said, as a high school student, I thought someday I might become a reporter and I had a crush on several attractive girls who either didn't know I existed or didn't care I existed. As a matter of fact, some of them looked like they hoped I didn't exist. It occurred to me, what if I was real terrific? What if I had something special going for me, like jumping over buildings or throwing cars around, then maybe they'd notice.

That was there. Girls of the 30s were very different. I know, right. If you can't throw a car, they got, if you can't throw a Chevrolet, they got no interest. So that's the story. You go many, many years later. So just before he passed away, he actually told the story that his father was a tailor. His name is Mitchell, a Seagal, and in 1932, three men went in,

he was father's tailor shop and robbed the tailor shop and his father died of a heart attack while it was happening. Oh, no. And then, very soon afterwards, he created, he suddenly created this character who is super strong and invulnerable and can leap over to buildings. And he went 50 years, he didn't tell anybody that story, which is fun fact, right? Super, super fun fact. That's amazing. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now. You're driving, cleaning, and even exercising. But what if you could be saving money by switching

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to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu. So anyway, so they shop Superman around for years and years and years of you know 33 so five years And in 1938 they went to DC Comics and they they pitched Superman to them and The company paid them for this third in page story and action comics number one a hundred and thirty dollars and they split it Half down the middle what yeah, that's right's right, 65 bucks aged. What? Pretty good. And with the check, they got a check. The agreement was that they got Detective Comics got the exclusive right to the character of

Superman to have and hold forever. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. A few months later, they were hired to become staff writers at DC. They again signed a deal naming Detective Comics the the exclusive owner of their work including Superman.

This has been described as the original scene of comic books because that's kind of set the precedent. You create a character no matter what happens to that character, if they put it on lunchbox, they make it into movies, they what have you, you got what you paid for that day, and that was it. So here's a little fun fact. So here's another one of these fun facts you love

for Jesperkins. So Stephen Fischler, Manhattan Collectibles, our friend who sold Nicholas Cage, all this stuff. He actually acquired some, I think, a bank representative sold him the check. He somehow acquired the check, the $130 check that they got. That was sold to a collector for $160,000. So even the paper is written on, it's worth a thousand

times the amount. Right, exactly. Yeah. That she holds, though. That's fun. That's fun. That's still paying the big bucks. Yeah, right good stuff. Yeah, but I mean Superman, again, as we know, Superman since became this, you know, profoundly iconic character, you know, movies, TV shows, cartoons, lunch boxes. He's done a bit. Yeah, he's done a bit, right? He's done the four major mediums. Yeah. TV, movies, radio, lunch boxes. Yeah, that's what he wants. That's a big fall. The big fall. God, well the day that there's a do-go-on lunchbox, be happy day. If you contribute a thousand dollars a month to the Patreon, we will mail you an

exclusive do-go-on lunchbox. Only a thousand dollars a month. We'll wait here. You get your checkbooks. Yeah we'll print a thousand in advance. Imagine that, we get a million thousand in advance. Imagine that. We get a million dollars a month. That's too many dollars. That would make me anxious. Too much money. Where are we?

Riches make you. Like you. Oh, yeah. OK, so we were talking about Matt, you were saying, where did the dollars, Superman? Where did these action comics number one? All the vintage comics.

Where did they go? So back to Manhattan Collectibles, Where did all these Superman? Where did these action comics number one all the vintage comics? Where did you go? So At back to Manhattan collectibles He wants our friends Steven fish the ones auctioned a low grade copy of Action comics number one. So this is a 1.5 out of 10 out of 10. Yeah sucks. Yeah, so So look, I don't want to explain Explain, explain scaling to our listeners, but 1.5 that is only 1.5 of the way to 10. Yeah, that's right. 15%

Yeah, which is half of 30. And even that wouldn't be that good. You got a 30% you put that in the bin. So basically a man named David Gonzalez, he was a contractor. He was renovating a home. It was built in 1930-Ait and he smashed through a wall and he found He used his installation a whole bunch of newspapers and he shuffled through him and there was a action comics number one Just being just stuffed into the wall. Did he realize what he had straight away? Yes, he did Well, but here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing though

I'm actually in the moment. So basically he went he went home and he was like did he realize what he had straight away? Yes, he did. Well, but here's the thing, okay, here's the thing though. Imagine the moment. So basically he went home and he was like, check this out, look what I've got. And his wife's aunt was there, big family home. And she was like, this isn't worth anything, this is kind of rubbish and they tussled over it. And he accidentally ripped the back cover.

Oh, why would you be like so adamant that you were like no I'm gonna take it off you and put it in the bin that's how worthless. So tearing the back cover took it down I guess to a 1.5 and that took 75 thousand dollars off the market value. But it still sold for 175 thousand. And did David Gonzalez get it or the person who owns the house that he was renovating? Doesn't say. Oh, fuck that he gets it. Yeah, yeah Yeah, it seems like fuck them. No, might have been it could have been he condemned home finders keep it yeah losers fuck off Well, I know that's not what I thought it was gonna go because anyway, this is kind of the Perkins way I guess it's the form of archaeology in in a way often people they make a deal like if I find something on your property

Yeah split the profits Well, I mean that I think you make that kind of deal when you hire a trade to come in Renovate because if anyone ever comes into my house They must sign a clause that if they find some sort of valuable in the wall. I think I think it should You know I know the house. I think it should be the the homeowner should get it I reckon No, you mean might have been dead. Maybe they should Look no look I reckon I reckon they were dead. Oh look, look, I reckon they were dead. I don't think it's fine. But if they were alive, maybe they should have got off their bumps and been renovating

the house themselves and... Do it, do it, do it, do it. You're just... You're being... I reckon you're being unreasonable. I don't think I am at all. I say, as I mentioned before, finders keepers, losers, everybody. I've got Jess's phone now.

Oh fuck. Can you keep that yeah yeah only only jess's you didn't find it it was sitting on the table just found it over here it's not finding it found the table found it I was sitting in front of it it's mine yeah it was in the wall of their house bloody hell is this that's my phone they often turn on each other I know right you don't know the past going on me let's get well can figure it a past. Can you? One day they'll develop a certain amount of familiarity with me and that will breed contempt and then I'll be pounced upon. That's right, but for now you are a guest in our home.

So good. Whatever you find in our walls, you keep that. Thank you. Dave, nice. I found some soundproofed. Can I get some soundproofed cars? Oh, definitely. Sure, okay. Okay, so in, we had another action comics number one. There was a six out of ten, so that was $317,200. That's what they go for it. In 2010, we had one that was an eight, and that was $1 million. That got that $1 million flat. $1 million.

And then later on in 2010, there was an action comics number one. There was an 8.5, and I got one and a half million dollars. Nicholas Cage's copy is a nine. So, 39. A nine, and is, does a 10 exist or do we not know? We'll get to that. Oh, look at the blue. It sounds like an inside job.

But I mean, short answer is yes. There's a 10, the 10 exists. Well, actually, it's like a nine, four, nine, five. So, it's almost like it's not possible to be a 10 because a 10 would be straight off the press in the old days back when I was in the boy. Yeah, back to Malibu. They're so stringent. Like if you turn a page and you've got a little bit of grease on your hand and you turn that, then it's not a 10 anymore. Something that built into my personality means I don't want a 1.5.

Someone's offering me, I was like, I don't want your shitty ripped pages in my house. I don't want to be anywhere near it. What's the lowest you'd settle for? Well, I don't have to look at what they actually mean, but I'm guessing probably in Aitner Hall. Really? Yeah.

So the 1.5 million. Yeah. That's my, when I'm starting I think about making a bid I'm taking two or three Eric and It's loved it's got a story Look I just I want an intact I'll tell you the story. Oh big time. Yeah, right. What happens if the it says inside the front page like what number would have If it's like it's very good apart from inside the front it says a property of little David Warnocky.

Oh and it's very good like as new. Yeah as new so it's just inside camera. No wonder, good one Dave. That's probably I reckon. Okay. I've costed up a couple hundred grand. Yeah. Yeah that's right.

Do your parents write inside books like their name and stuff? I think they used to. Maybe when we were kids. Yeah. My grandfather had a collection of over 5,000 books. Whoa. It's a huge library. And some of them on the inside he had either a stamp made up, said property of James

Ferguson or he had stickers made up so they would go on the inside. That's great. But yeah, you say great, but they've just come from a 10 to an 8.5 out of 9. And if you want a PLI sticker off, you might cause even more damage. Yeah, and it's then it's a seven. Then you don't just six. Yeah, and then Matt doesn't even want it anymore. No, I'll put it in there.

The Jess will take it. Would you guys like to know how the thieves stole the action comics number one? No. I would. All right, good night, everybody. I love. That's please. I love a good Theven story.

Okay, this is a pretty good one. So basically He had he had his comic book room and it was sort of all these sort of locked locked chests full of comic I'm starting to feel I'm gonna feel a lot less sorry for the guy that I can afford a comic book room So sort of these these these armoured like steel comic book chests The room was also guarded by a pew mark And and he wanted to you know, he couldn't put him all on his wall, so he had these, uh, uh, uh, Kate Glass-K bulletproof glass cases around his, his, um, his room. How about give some money to charity? Jesus. There's,

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's a lot of ways. But, just let me ask you this, do you think he's a bad person? No, he's, he's, he's, he's a colorful character. Colorfully terrible. In a way, that's what I meant. You didn't let me finish. So basically, he had him all in the chests. And so he liked to rearrange. He put the new ones up, all the latest acquisitions

or whatever, he's favorite one, he was thinking about the time. So basically, he had one, there was one was one key to unlock you could unlock all the the bulletproof glass cases and he would swap them in and out and so what the thieves did bulletproof he's gonna shoot comic here I'm gonna shoot this one out oh no I just made it a point five cover and bullets I just made it at a point five. It's covered in bullets. I just smashed the glass you idiot. Why are you going to shoot? That's very silly. I mean, I think.

I mean, it's impervious to bullets as well as anything less than bullets. Less than bullets, yeah. No, I understand that. But I mean, like... Well, I can't get through with a bullet, but this screwdriver should do the trick. I just mean, like, when you were designing that room and you're talking with a bullet, but this screwdriver should do the trick. That has just been like, when you were putting, when you were designing that room and you're talking with your architect, you're like, okay, and I'd like them behind glass cabinets. Oh shit, better make it bulletproof.

Like fuck you. Well, I think when you're also when you're a Hollywood celebrity, you don't want anything less than bulletproof. If you're only tall, you want a bulletproof window. That's a good point, yeah. Do I need to remind you that despite the fact that they were bulletproof, it was still stolen somewhere. Oh, that's right.

Okay, so he would like to swap them out. And so did he wear the key around his neck? Well, here's the thing. In a bulletproof container. That's right. Which contained its own. Its its own lock. So basically what happened is the thief somehow managed to get into his house and they went

into, they made it, they made it pass the Puma and they went into. Very. They made it pass the Jaguar, the Dintav Jag and they made it, they made it past the Puma, and they went into, very, they made it past the Jaguar, the Dintav Jag, and they made it past, Wow, I Puma and the Jaguar, that's right, yeah, and they made it past the Dinosaur, the scary Dinosaur skulls, and they got into the comic book room, and then they got the key, which was placed right in front of all the cabinets, and they unlocked all the cabinets, and the one key was just sitting there, Oh, where else is it?

I hate him, Otherwise he'd leave. In a lot of ways that makes the key almost pointless. And the glass. Yeah. So they took the action comic number one out. But it took off with it. They're taking the others, or just that one. Yes, they did.

They took four. They took off 400. Yeah, much. They occasionally thought they took four, but it turned out that one of them was just lost in his house. And then he called a year later he was like, two dozen more have been stolen, but it turned out that one of them was just lost in his house Oh, and then he called a a year later He was like two dozen more have been stolen, but it turned out again just in his house But we were on the toilet. I guess so yeah, I think it takes you to read them

So they they knew what was going on They knew he had him and they went and picked out three important This this home apparently was you know, it was he had a lot of Hollywood parties his birthdays in January So potentially he had a thousand people over for his birthday and people just wandered in and yanked. I don't know a thousand people. No, scratch that. I don't like a thousand people.

I don't think Nicholas Cabe says that. I don't think I like a hundred people. No, probably. Yeah, I mean, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, um, so right check it was the the investor guy apparently that's he said that that was fairly common sort of in Hollywood If something really expensive had been stolen it's they somebody had just left it unlocked or they hadn't and you know They had a million dollar alarm system. They just didn't switch it on Have you ever seen the movie the bling ring directed by Nicholas Cajun's cousin Sophia Coppola? No, it doesn't it doesn't star Hermione Granger. Yes, it does. Emma Watson is in it. Hermione Granger. How do I mean, yes, Hermione Granger. Yes. I've seen the trailer for it.

It's honestly about Paris Hilton being robbed several times because he just left the front door unlocked. He just walks into a house and still like a million dollars of jewels in the teenagers. And it's based on a true story, also. Oh my god. Well there's one story here that he related that a musician in the Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra went home with a Stradivarius cello, a $3.5 million Stradivarius cello. He had his hands full. He put some... He was like, okay, I'll just put this here and this here in my bag here on top of my car.

And then he just shuffled around. He's like, okay, grab my keys. Got everything. And he opened his door and he went to bed and then he came up, woke up the next day like always the cello, he left it on the roof of his car and somebody just taken it. So, and he lost his straight up areas. Did he get it back? Not the purpose of this report, Dave, I don't know.

I wonder if he had insurance. I like how you think the answers for everything, are they? I don't know anything if it's not about Spider-Man or something, I got Or. Are they? I don't know. I don't know anything if it's not about Spider-Man or something. I got Orchie Halk. I got no idea. How did you come across that story then? Oh, this was just a bright check.

It was the man who investigated all the... Oh, so he... Oh, sorry, pardon me, Art Theska. Yeah, he... So, anyway, a few days later, a few days after the theft, our friend Fishyler got a call from another comic book store owner, someone called and asked about the three comics that were stolen. Like, how much would I get for these particular items, you know.

I just had the Mona Lisa the guy that took it. Where would I, where would I sell them? What would I do? Sort of thing. Call left, no contact details, never called back. Hi, pathetic. Yeah, particularly if I heard Nicholas Cage's Jaguar. Mmm. Mmm. What do you feed a panther? Yeah, I feed a...

Ah, yeah! He's like, I'm dealing with antiques. Yeah. So in 2002, the word got around in the comic book dealing industry that there was somebody in Memphis was selling some of these issues. And maybe it was Nick Cage's stolen in issues, but they got a local police, they got a search warrant, they turned out it was Fakes.

It was a man who had gotten scans of the covers, like copies of the covers and he'd put lingerie catalogs in between. Oh, and he'd stuck them together and he'd put them in a sealed like a plastic bag, and he'd do like, did he? He's too valuable to take out of this, but you have to trust me, this is the real deal. Did he think that anyone would trust him? He put them in the stick around

in the front of it, is it a property of Nicholas Cage? And also bearing in mind, these are people who will leave this throughout a various on the roof of their car, so they'll probably be like, oh yeah, that does sound safe too. Don't take it out.

Yeah, I mean, there were a lot of various sightings, nothing ever really sort of turned up and the sort of trail went cold for quite some time. And I imagine are these ensured? Yes, they weren't sure. So he's getting paid back anyway? I guess so, but the investigation has to, like, they have to drop the investigation, I think, first before they can. And I know with the,

I mean, it might be Nicholas Cage inside job, because I have seen, like, sort of BuzzFeed style articles before, how did Nicholas Cage spend $200 million? Right, exactly. Like, did he go bankrupt, is that a thing? Yeah, he owes the IRS, like, $16 million, or something like that, in back taxes. He has a number of castles. Oh, come on in back taxes he has a number of castles

You can't have a portfolio of castles you get one and then you're done one and done yeah, that's what they say in the castle biz Are you in the castle biz Dave? I am a Prospecting to get into the castle biz. What are you looking for just like a 13 bedroom? Oh, no Anyway, does anybody want to hear about 20 plus? Anybody want to hear about the continuing adventures of Seagull and Schuster, the luckiest two boys in the comic blue history? Yes! So the people that didn't get paid for their abilities. That's correct. Okay, so they don't do them pretty good from like 38 to 47. They do them pretty good because they were on staff riding. Apparently they

would split in 1970, in 1940, they split 75 grand in gross salary, so that's before taxes, which is very quite good at the time. Segal said, actually, it was less than that, but who knows. In 1943, Segal went into, it was drafted into the army. While he was away, DC published Superboy, which was the Adventures of Superman, when he was a boy, as you might imagine, which was Seagull's idea that he had pitched to DC twice, they'd rejected it twice, and then when they published it, they didn't ask him about it. It was like, yeah, all right, you did it on our time, and it's Superman and Superboy's business.

Oh, dogs! Yeah, I know, right, dogs. So in 1947, they seagulling shoes to file the lawsuit. They wanted to annul all the agreements because they were like, well, look, we didn't know it was going to be so successful. We didn't know it was going to be selling 800,000 copies and issue a million copies and issues.

That doesn't sound like a legal footing to me. Hey, I didn't know that this would be worth more. And now it is, can I- Have you done a load of grater? Then I don't think you can pop in, champ. I've done multiple. Have you? Law degrees.

Have you done multiple law degrees? Yes, ask me any questions about the law. Can I go into court of law and say, I didn't know. Oh, good question. That's relevant to what we just saw. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say objection relevance,

but it was very relevant. Thank you. Good safe. And the answer, we'll surprise you. Next week. Next week. Thank you. Good safe. And the answer, we'll surprise you. Next week. Oh, I'm graduating. I'm going to pass the bar next week.

OK. So they were like, OK, well, we would like the rights back. We want our fair share. D.C. were like, no, no, we pay to your fair share. You've worked here. You've got plenty of money. The result was basically they they gave DC the rights to Superman, but not Superboy. And so Segal got the rights to Superboy.

And then they renegotiated and they said, okay, look, Segal and Shuster said, okay, you can have Superman, you can have Superboy, but we want $94,000000 which was pretty good in the 40s pretty pretty good amount Eat sure together together. Oh 94 you know I like rounded numbers go a hundred grand 94 shit's me so much So but wait basically so someone said to you next year. I'll pay you $94,000 a year. You love the amount No, I would say don't insult me. Don't insult me. That's what I'd say.

That's what I'd say, no. OK, so I'll do go on, shall I? I'll put the money. Please, Nick, sorry. Please do go on. Thank you. Before I give anyone now. No, no, it's not.

It's not good. So yeah, I mean, so they got their money, and then we're like, we don't, you know, we don't want to do this. And so, but in a way, they were kind of blacklisted from DC, especially, but, you know, the comic book industry, because they're like, okay, well, if they create something and then they're going to be dicks about it exactly. So, um, Siegel did some sporadic comic book writing for various competitors, um, and the work dried up because they were like because the black you know word got around Shuster did various odd jobs was sales clerk. He was a janitor in the night The creator of Superman cannot be a janitor. No, no guys. No, no guy. He things are looking up because in in the 1950s things are looking up. Because in the 1950s, there's a man named Jerry Robinson.

He was a longtime Batman artist. He co-created Robin and the Joker and a lot of other characters. He was told, OK, you've got to get some new stationery and new equipment or whatever. It's going to be delivered today. And it turned out the man delivering it was Joe Schuster. Because he was a delivery man.

He was delivered to that stuff to the DC offices. And this was a little bit embarrassing and the CEO, somebody up to the office and gave him a hundred dollars and said, go out buying you coat, find another job. So that's pretty brutal, right? He thought that the coat was the proper one, right? Yeah. You can be anything you want. As long as you're wearing this coat. He's a CEO man. He knows. How many companies have you been in the CEO of? The question is how many coats do I have? How many coats do you have Dave? One nice one. So what's your name? Have you got a good job yet?

That's pretty good. I'm an ass prod. Oh yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Oh yeah, congratulations. Thank you. That's just with the Let's see Shuster moved in with his mother shed an apartment with his brother One point Segal lived in a one bedroom apartment his family The 90s things were looking up Yeah, we'll get there. It's the jacket thing. They're looking up. Yeah, that's right You got a hundred dollars for free. What's he had a spiff in your jacket things were turned right around? In the 1950s Shuster made a living by secretly drawing a set of masochistic soft porn for a series of pamphlets called Knights of Horror.

That's a fun little tidbit. The jacket's paying off. Yeah. Your idea of fun is very different to that. I like that fun. He put on a jacket so people at home could jacket. Could jacket? Yeah, I like it. Give it. I like it.

Oh! I knew! Ah, it took me a while, but once I got there, I like it. I like it. Oh, I took me a while but once I got there I enjoyed that. You don't play on the woods. Oh, woods. That's yeah. You're okay, but they're not even very quiet. Look, I'm finding four people. There's a lot of people. It's a sensory over. I'm really trying to just give some space for you guys to fill. Sorry, we'll all step back. Mac, would you like to say something? Yeah. It's been a big, bloody chance. I just want to say that I hope Schuster and Singlet make it. Thank you. Thank you for time. Well done, well done mate.

Nick, do go on. Thank you. Let's see. So in the mid to late 70s, it turned out that Warner, who owned DC at the time, we're going to make a Superman the movie, Segal sat at his typewriter, and he wrote a little letter. I, Jerry Segal, the co-originator of Superman,

put a curse on the Superman movie. I hope it's Super Bombs. Do the right Super Bombs. Yep. I hope it's super bombs. Do the right super bombs. Yep, I hope it's super bombs. I hope the whole world will avoid the movie like a plague. The ideals which made Superman one of the top comics properties of all time and caused its creation, namely compassionate desire to help the oppressed, have been turned into a money-making machine, which cancelsly ruined the lives of Joe and me into privacy of the fruits of our creation.

That sucks. Yeah. Well look so basically this caught the attention of Jerry Robinson, a former mentioned Batman artist, and Neil Adams who is also a great writer artist, and they basically launched a national shaming campaign of like sort of how dare you they all. Neil Adams is sort of so shaming who? Ah DC, DC and Warner Brothers Oh, thank you. Look at these guys. I'm not saying the letter. Yeah, I kind of thought that's I had too good for too long. Let's shame them. Yeah, and so basically they Wow, yeah, so so they launched this campaign and the present the vice president of of Warner's J.M. It said look There's no legal obligation, but I sure feel that there's a moral obligation and so basically from that point forward They went okay. We're gonna give you an annual salary sort of for the rest of your life and we'll we'll start it

This amount and we'll sort of ramp it up, you know with inflation. We'll see you see you'll never have to work again We'll pay your wife's you know, we'll pay you know, you know pay your wife's pension. We'll pay all this sort of stuff they Yeah, they they pay all this sort of stuff. Yeah, they've paid for all sorts of bits and pieces. They've put, they said, like they said, okay, well, you own this, but we'll put creative by Seagal and Schuster in the front of all the comic books. Good.

When the first movie came out, I'm 1978 Superman, the movie with Christopher Reeve. They went to the premiere and it said, you know, when Superman created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster came on the screen, the entire audience broke into applause and we all cried. So that's... Oh! Oh!

Created by Joe Siegel, Jerry, whatever. Yep. Curse Siegel, Joe Siegel. Curse by Jerry Schuster. Yeah, that's right. Did you renounce the curse? Sure, you got to renounce it, right? Doesn't say you renounced it.

Yeah. He did not run it. Is there a thing called the Superman curse? There is a Superman curse. You want to hear about announce the curse? Sure, you got to announce it right? Doesn't say you're announced it. Yeah. He did not run it because I, is there, there is a thing called the superman curse? There is a superman curse. You want to hear about the superman curse? We can, we can divert. I'm going a little bit more here, but if you want to talk about the superman curse, I mean, I know that there is one. Yeah. I think I know a little. Well, the superman curse, I guess, is that they're supposedly all related. If you're in, if you're in an adaptation of superman, like if you're in a movie thing or a TV thing, If you're in an adaptation of Superman, like if you're in a movie thing or a TV thing, something bad will invariably happen to you.

So the George Reeves, no relation to Christopher Reeve, he was in the black and white adventures of Superman in the 50s. He died of a gunshot wound at age 45, but it was ruled a suicide, but his fingerprints were not on the gun. So he's pretty clever. They're not. Now it's a rope and pulley system. Now I could have done it with the speed.

Yep. Yeah. Can I have this plate exactly? These, these toe prints were on there. They never, they never mentioned the toe prints. I'm sure. Yeah, the toe prints. Do I compare toe prints after the show?

Why would I do that? Get, get them out. I have out there. Sorry, a few, um, uh, patreon, pair to print after the film. I don't want to do that. Get him out. I have out there. So a few Patreon subscribers if you subscribe for $5 or more will send you by December 15th. We promise to send you a Christmas card. I will personally stamp my toe on every single one of those.

That's this. So this book I started out as a dream about boys or some shit. That's right. And great ideas in here. It's just a money making bullshit scheme. I put a curse. I put a curse on. Don't put a curse on my toes. Yeah, no, curse on. Do you curse me, man? No, I'm gonna. The fear is curse. You're not putting your toes on people's places. I'm gonna curse your toes and the curse is that you'll never

put them on someone's card. You're filthy fucking idiot. Well, if you have submitted, subscribe to our Patreon. You are getting a Christmas card. Let me know if you do want the token. No, no, no, no. If anyone requests it, if anyone requests it. Okay, well, you're doing, you're figuring it out. We were hearing about a real curse, the second one. Oh, the curse, oh yeah. So this George Reeves suicide, but didn't touch the gun. Correct, I said.

A real curse, I said. This is a real curse. What do you mean? Christopher Reeve had a horseback riding accident. He was paralyzed. Let me- And that other guy now hosts Ripley's Believe It or Not. So, that's the biggest slap in the face of all.

A lot of- see, that's the thing. A lot of it is- a lot of it is. Maybe you just looked like Superman. And that's all you look good at. So the... The... Poor Dean Kay. No, he was in Lady Dynamite.

With that Maryfell. That's very nice. He was in Lady Dynamite. And that's a very good series. He was in Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, he's great. So, it's Fuck you. Lee Quigley.

I actually really enjoyed Rupus Bleb and I know that. Oh, this is, yeah. Lee Quigley who played Superman as a baby in the 1978 film, died at age 14 due to solvent abuse. So that's solvent. At age 14. Yeah. Jesus, that's young.

And his fingerprints were not on the solvent. He was, oh, that's funny. He died at 14. I know. But anyway, David, he was he was insolvent That almost a joke Nick is there anything I could have done that to make that a Ball joke is it anyway? That's as much as anyone could have done yeah, okay, yeah, your joke making abilities being cursed by suit Yeah, okay. Yeah, your joke making abilities being cursed by super

Like the fairies curse, but now we've got Superman's cast too. Yeah, but basically, I mean you can climb you could climb anyone like Marlon brad Nicholas Cage Exactly so we And all in that tax bill Marlon Brando was a Jorrel in the movie. He's had a lot of troubles Richard Richard general. I think I think I think Marlon Brando's gonna come good though He's on the way back. He'll be fine. He's on the way back. He'll be fine. Richard, prior was in Superman 3.

Also still going strong though. Yep, trouble, troubles. Mago Kitter, who was lowest line through all the Superman movies, she went missing for several days. Ten hours, she was just at a retreat. Yeah, so yeah. She had bipolar disorder disorder which is you know hilarious hilarious, but she she went look that's it's rubbish. You know she said look she crashed her car at one

point and she crashed into a telephone telephone pole and if she hadn't crashed into the telephone pole she would have fallen into a ravine and would have died so she's like what about the luck of Superman like that's how she said that herself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good on air. That's a positive attitude. Exactly. Yeah. What was I forgotten? Sorry. I'm glad we talked about that. I wear it the other curse. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, he cursed. So anyway, so Siggle and choose to themselves Apparently were quite happy with the way everything turned out. They actually moved into adjoining neighborhoods. They were like two blocks away for their remainder of their lives. They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they were kind of all together. But I mean, years later, the lawsuits began again.

The Estates of Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuss. So they passed on. Oh, come on. Yeah, well, they started again. It's interesting for me, solely for me. But in 97, Siegel's wife and daughter were like, OK, we're going to, we've given you these rights. We're going to contest these rights again. basically in, in contesting these rights,

they were like, okay, we can contest, we can contest your ownership of Superman. And Superman is, we're gonna define him as, he wears this red and blue suit, he's got a cape, he doesn't wear a mask, he can see his face, bullets bounce off him, he can fly, he can shoot heat vision, he's got icy breath, he's always super even when he's client-cant, this kind of thing.

And in response, you know, in a weird coincidence, they did this in 97, and in 1998, they see completely redesigned Superman to have none of those characteristics. So that's a lot of things. Yeah, I'll show you, I'll hang on a funny photo of him. But basically, they went, okay, he doesn't have a red and blue, cost you many more, it's blue and white. We take away the cape, he wears a mask now, he doesn't have heat vision or some breath. This was like 98 to like 2002.

What? I have no record of it. That is real, this seems like I'm making it up. But yeah, they were like, okay, bullets don't bounce off him, they pass through him now, he can walk through walls He when he transforms from Superman to Clark can he's fully human now? So they're basically like okay, well maybe totally new thing. Yeah, that name

So they're like then to them. They're like other names what the people like that don't care about everything Yeah, that's electric Superman. Oh, I don't like that at all. So the cool electric Superman. It was just Superman, but we colloquially we call him electric Superman. Was he a hit? I don't think so. It was a fun story, but it was not. I think it was sort of leverage, never officially,

but it's sort of like, well, we'll give you, OK, we'll give you all the money for Superman who does all these things and wears the cape. But we're not producing that Superman anymore are we? So I guess you won't be getting anything. It was kind of that. Yeah. But was that, I mean, they had a lot of money for a lot of time and then only after the

actual people who made it up died, then they were... We had Renown. Now, give them the money. Yeah. It's something they renounced the claim three times in their lives. Right. Yeah. From a business standpoint claim three times in their lives. Right. Yeah. From a business standpoint, you can't just keep being all right. It's a more money for your grandchildren. It definitely gets a bit muddy. In the okay, so in

By the odds, this one was Yeah, that They agreed on a settlement that that passed through there was a There was another Settlement there was another lawsuit in 2005ish kind of 2005 2006 and this one was over the ownership of superboy again So we had you know these two different I property Superman superboy And by this point Superman and superboy were two different characters so we had Superman who was the regular crime party Superman and we had Superboy who was a clone of Superman, and they both existed in the same time.

And so they sued and they're like, okay, we would like more money for your use of Superboy, and so they just killed Superboy. It's like, yeah, you want money for this guy? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no life actor. Yeah, well, but they act these real bullets as long as the bullets pass through this kid I don't think so. So this kid lives will keep paying you Would that be okay in your courtroom day? Yeah, yeah The school of I mean the court of life So anyway bad blood on all sides, but apparently by all accounts Jerry Segal, Joe Schuster, they had it, you know, they went out and they had, you know, they had some tough times, but they went out of it together as friends and with enough money to have a good life.

Would you like to know what happened to Nick Cageade just copy stolen? 2000 2000. And was that one of the years that some of these lawsuits started happening that perhaps first shoestres family to seek revenge could have broken into Nicholas Cade's house They stolen a copy of Superman number one to show Nicholas Cade who's the boss. Wait, they're gonna be for Cade You're thinking of Tony Danzen. That was he was the boss. Wait, they're gonna be for cage. You think you have Tony Danza, that was, he was the boss in the end. That was a show from before you were born. I do know who Tony Danza is. Just for you. Oh, you kids. Sam flipping it. Oh, little kiddies. Yeah, little children. I can hardly see you say little, you're on the mothate fuck off

Thank you. Oh, he's retarded. Oh Dance back here is Is the father of the podcast yeah, you respect grandfather Sorry, I would like to know okay, I wouldn't really really like to hear about what happens Okay, so you're stolen in 2000 in 2011 so after 11 years after Hang on Okay, good because I only got 10 fingers. I was kind of hard 2011 so after 11 years after hang on 2011, yes, yeah, so basically a man named Dan Dotson who is he's an auctioneer in Los Angeles And he's also been on the TV show storage walls people might know from that I've definitely seen an episode so maybe it's probably him and Los Angeles, and he's also been on the TV show Storage Wars. People might know him from that. I mean, I don't know. I've definitely seen an episode, so maybe.

Yeah, it's probably him. So he was approached by one of his clients, a man named Silvester Lozano. Great. That is the most trustworthy name I've come across on the screen. And he said, basically, I've got this Superman comic book. What do you think it's worth? And he sort of opened it up, and he flipped through the pages,

and he's like, oh, this is a brand new comic book. Like this is like it says 930. It's just action comics number 1938, but it's like it's brand new. It's you know, it must be a reproduction. Wow, but clearly not. So Dotson goes to introduce a Luzano to another man, Mark Balello, who's another auction. He also on storage wars. Also, trust whether he's a fan. You might have recognized that guy from storage wars. Who said he knew the biggest comic book deal

in the US, so he contacted Steven Fischler from Metropolis Collectibles, from earlier in the tale. Oh, yeah. And he said, he sent Fischler, he took a photo of the comic book and he said, what do you reckon, $1 million? What do you reckon for this one? And Fischler's like, immediately he's like, that's it. Like because you can, like it had, you know,

certain, certain little printing errors on the front cover, like little details and he's like, that is definitely, like it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I mean, that's the Nicholas Cage, Nicholas Cage Action Comics number one. He's like, I've seen it before, I've seen a photo of it, I know. Yeah, because surely he'd have it documented for the insurance, right?

He's like, okay, it's got a little bit of dot of blue missing from the banner, so that's in this one. And so he's like, okay, that's... So basically, Fischler from Metropolis Collectibles and Don Crichtec, who's the art theft LAPD investigator, decided we'll do a sting. We'll do. They set up a meeting at Ballet Lowe's warehouse. That sounds fun.

Right chick posed as Fischler's associate and they had some police officers outside and they said, hey, this is Fischler was like, you know, he examined it and he's like, it's so good, how did you get it? And Luzano's like, oh, I bought an old storage unit a few months ago. It was in a box full of books.

It was within a hardcover book, like a hardcover book. And that's how it survived. Just found that there must have been there for decades. Who knows, nothing. Do we trust him? Yeah, 100%. That could have happened though. If the person had stolen it just ditched it.

No, but it's been there for a long time. See, that's what fucked him. If he said he found it recently and a thing that could have easily just have gone in there recently, right? Because I explain that well. Because the concept of storage was is that they buy empty lockers that are unclaimed, right?

That's right. People can't afford to maintain them and they lose the rights. They get whatever's inside, exactly. Exactly, yeah. But many years, you are right, Matt. Yeah. So basically, fish love and write check with their they examine the book and fish love gives them the nod like

This is the real thing and right checks like is my LAPD business card This is you know you're not getting a million dollars for this you are you on me. Yeah, you're getting a million years Yeah, probably not that long, but probably less, probably quite a bit, but it sounded cool if I showed it like that. So you're dickhead. Woo! So they got the photo they had, like the auction photo of the original, they compared it to this.

There's 15 points on the cover that are identical to the one there, and they're like, okay, this is the one. And so Nicholas Cage issued a statement, he said, it is divine providence that the comic was found And I am hopeful that the heirloom will be returned to my family and then finally proof that God exists And then he found my million dollar comic it went to the insurance company. He He he they settled the claim It was returned to his family and then he immediately put it up for auction

What straightaway what this fun. It was tainted I guess I guess I but also he owes millions of dollars It's sell any number of his castles I think it's like oh thank fuck I really needed that one point five million. Yeah, this will get me through the week I saw it would have risen by our your back This this nine this Nicholas cage nine sold for $2,161,000. Okay, so I've put a dent in a 16-year-old dress. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Is that you putting a dent in something? Yeah, cool. Get it. So Silvesto Luzano, who said he found this one. Oh, yeah. He was never charged in the end. He told Hroy check, he couldn't remember precisely which unit the book came from since he'd buy several at a time. He just mixed up the contents, put them in the back. He told Hroy check he couldn't remember precisely which unit the book came from

since he'd buy several at a time and just mix up the contents put him in the back of his truck. Hroy check narrowed it down to a number of units but he was like okay like he the the the units he claimed and he's like okay well all the units there aren't we looked at them all and there when none of them had any connection to people who knew Nicholas Cage or would have been at Nicholas Cage's house. So what do they just cross check it with a hundred most influential people on IDB? And they're like, well, not all these people, not all these people, eyelesses.

Helen Mirren, no she wouldn't do that. Look at her face. I'm sorry to say but mystery episode. We don't know. Oh, it's a secret mystery episode. I'm just saying that that is typical of the bloody police, isn't it? Someone just says, I don't know where I got it. Yep, let him off.

Yeah, let him off. I can't remember where I got it from. When has that ever stood up in court? And yes, I am a judge slash lawyer. Okay, wherever I got it from, and I didn't know. So I met, did I misunderstand that? Didn't he say that it was anything that had been locked up for ages? That's what he said.

So that makes it sound like he's full of shit to me. You know why, but I just- Like how does he know? Like, I can't sure to be in the cop. Yeah. Damn it. But you were there. I missed another opportunity.

So Mark, Mark Balaylo, who's the other man who would hope to make this big commission selling this discovered Superman action. Oh yeah, the guy guy was he pissed off? Well, he committed suicide in 2013. So because of it, superman cares. He was arrested for... Superman cares.

Yeah, he was arrested for possession in meth. So maybe that had something to do with it. Maybe it was a coincidence. Met cares. Yeah, divine providence. So we never... That proves that meth exists. So we never...

We never... Beyond all reasonable doubts. We So we never, we never, beyond all reasonable doubts. So ultimately, we never learned who stole that from. And also, but actually in comics number one was recovered. The two other comics stolen from Nicholas Cage. So detective comics number one, and detective comics number 27, the first appearance of Batman, were never recovered. So which two? Sorry.

Detective comics number one. So DC's two, sorry, detective comics number one. So DC's first ever issue was stolen from Nicholas Cage. And then they picked out the three. Probably, they, the big three. They're the big three. Wow. And detective 27, which is the first appearance of Batman. That's incredible.

We've never seen it. It's, it's right are they as rare are they like? They're not as reno So this at this point this was detective 27 was like 1940 comic books have picked up steam And there was this just it's not that people thought it was more value at the time. They were just more copies to go around right Oh man Masters yeah More people have like bulldoze their house and found a copy in the wall So they're the story sorry that we're gonna like now go off on different tangents, but they're the big three. Please any questions?

Anyone? No, what would be what would make up the next you know that what would ran out the top five of the of the big Comics. Oh good question. Maybe any Marvel ones. I mean amazing fantasy 15 which is the first appearance of Spider-Man That might do it. Yeah, fantastic four number one What about the ant man movie Fleuray They're only made one copy And Nicholas cage owns it. Yeah, but for a while. He's gonna wait it for a while till somebody just walks in God it got him's good in the rock though, wasn't he?

Yeah, she's a good fan. She hulked that a big one. She hulked the movie. I was going to check my notes if I missed anything. Could you show me a picture of shehulk? I'm picturing it as normal hulk with long hair. No, no. I'm picturing Princess Fiona from Shrek. Oh, yep. Oh, yeah

No, but I'm close I can I can ruin the magic for you. Yeah, go on I'm imagining the Ukrainian gold medalist for weightlifting I mean why Ukrainian to be kind of a big aist. No, I think you're I think if you check the records of the oh, she's a babe, right? She's a babe. She's great She's not a hoking at all records of the uh oh she's a babe right she's a babe she's great I reckon I can bash her I've been in a fight fair fight oh god wow I mean in a fight what else would you have men I mean in a fight I A fair fight. I definitely am against all forms of violence, especially against women. Oh fuck.

Oh that's very funny. Spider-Man. What about ex-men and stuff? Those ones aren't like that at all. Ex-men, comics aren't at all. These sort of after ones. Well when did the ex-men debuted in the 60s? So they certainly have, but you can get an ex-men number one for sort of after ones. Well, when did the X-Men debuted in the 60s? Oh, I mean, they certainly have,

but you can get an X-Men number one for sort of a reasonable rate. Like, five figures, you know. Let's think it's right. Okay, all right, and we'll. That makes sense. It's gotta be, that's why the Marvel ones aren't as rare because they're a newer friend.

New newer company, God-Chop. Right, yellow kid number one. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah. We're at yellow kid number one. Oh, I don't know. See, that might not even exist. Wait, weren't there any new spavers here? Yeah. What about fan number one? Would that be worth money?

I don't think so. It's a certain pay for, but if you want to deal with those pay for, it's no thank you. Yeah, and I just want to touch him. Like, you'd have to like shake their hand, ooh. Thank you. He's cool, all right?

He's not cool. He's the ghost. He's not cool walks. Yeah Well, he's gonna go float, which is way cooler. Yeah, that's better than walking. I just like his horse and the waterfall Yeah, he rose the name of horse. I think. Oh, that's sick name for the horse. That's a good horse dog when he's dog He's not here. It doesn't matter. One of them was cool. Yeah cool. What is Cool. It's the ghost who walks. Yeah. I don't know about that as a thing. Didn't David just say that?

I feel so boring. No, I'm just re-capping. No good. It's got the match to you. No good. Tick of a disapproval. Yeah, we're good, I think. Do you want any more fun facts or anything?

I don't know if I have any left. No, that was great. Yeah, I want. If you've got fun facts,? Or I don't know if I have any left? No, that was great. Yeah, I want one. If you've got fun facts, even one would be cool. OK, here's one. So, $992, we had the... Oh, a good year.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. $992. I miss my end of catchphrase. I think we're just back up in hangin' where am I? Oh, actually, yeah, not in 92.

We had the death of Superman storyline. That broke big in, in the mainstream media. Superman was killed by a monster called Doomsday and he was replaced by four replacement Superman. Yeah. Four. Four, yeah. While one was Superboy, the clone. Sure. There was a cyborg Superman. There was, there was a guy called

a man of tomorrow who was basically Superman except he had a big yellow visor and there was and there was steel who's who's an African American man in like a big arm and suit so it's so what so he died and then he broke into four bits oh no just these these these pretend to place him showed up to and so at the time Superman the pretenders were in it the band yeah the band the pretend J-slow He's oh my god Yeah, so they there were four Superman books at the time. So each of them got their own one kind of thing But basically this came about this was a huge meteor event and it's like oh Superman

He's finally he's finally you know reached his end. But basically, this happened because they decided, OK, well, Lois Lane and Clark Kent, they're in love there. You know, they're going to get married at some point. Let's do a Superman Lois Lane wedding storyline. And then they discovered that. Six issues when they're planning the wedding. What kind of flower? We can. Oh, just get whatever you want, Lois. It's fine. God. and then they discovered that. Six issues when they're planning the wedding. What kind of flowers do we have?

I'll just get whatever you want, Lois. It's fine, but God. I'd like it the other way around. You know, I was actually doing impression of Superman. They are very good. She was like, shut up. Can we have this sort of kryptonite arrangement on the front?

No, that'll kill my heart. So basically they were going to do this, but then in the TV series, Lois and Clark, the new inventions of Superman, they had also planned to do a Lois and Superman get married, but that was gonna take a long time to, you know, they're gonna do it next season. Yeah, you gotta book the, you know, this is so real. You know, this is so real.

And so basically they went, okay, well, we need, okay, well, TV, you can't steal our thunder, we won't steal your thunder, we'll do them both at the same time. So we just need a storyline to fill in. they had to brains they went brainstormed around the table of like All right, what do we what could Superman do before he gets made then they just went yeah It was it was hours of dividing and somebody went well just kill him who cares I'm sick of dealing with Superman. We'll just kill him and so they did but that means they can't do the wedding

They're all they bring it back nobody ever really dies in comics. So they brought him back They did, yeah. And then he got married. Right? Then he got married then he turned into an electric Superman. Uh, yeah. Nick, Nick, I don't, look, I'm feeling like I'm so out of my death now.

So there's four books of Superman and each of them got one. What does that mean? Well, there was adventures of Superman. There was Superman. There was the man of steel and there was another one that I can't remember. And they're all done by DC, someone. Well done by DC, different artists, one a week. That was, that was in the 90s. That's ridiculous.

Should be alive in the 90s. I know, right? Can you imagine? Jeez, Louise. I can't, I'm far too young. Anyway, that's all I got guys. It's quite fun, a little fun fact. That was, let's give him a big round of applause. Oh thanks guys. You guys. Generally little fun fact was I great. Let's give him a big round of applause I'll thank you guys You guys genuinely great great report great. Thank you. I had you learn jumping in between the the the decades Mm-hmm. I will just say we're good at shining us up and just keep going That's a bit it's a hard skill. How about I feel bad about that? No, don't you run don't because otherwise

It would be here for a hundred years. Thank you Nick Mason No one that I had to put up with three of us before. That was for on. That's true. Sorry if that was hard to listen to. But it was also an historic episode. Mm-hmm. Now.

In what way? Because it was four of us. Okay, you're great. Oh, like the four super men. Oh, yeah, like the fabulous four. Which one? Can you name us all? Who would I be?

The fabulous four. What would I be? The fabulous four. Would I be steel? I'm like the tall African American you'd be steel wool like that bloody beard you go Too far I'm all for a bit of fun and games maybe the visor one because you've got glasses great bars of guy I'm super boy let's be honest. Yep, so what am I those that leave me? cyborg Superman or Man of Steel. Hmm, cyborg.

All right, cool. Love it. So you're a man of steel, my sir? Perfect. Perfect. Great. Nick Man of Steel, my sir, thank you for joining us on this episode. Now we would like to hear more of your voice.

You do your own podcast every single week. I do. If you're not sick of me talking about superheroes, ad nauseam, just we do it non-stop on the weekly planet, which is on iTunes. We'll talk about my and my friend James Mr. Sunday movies we talk about superhero movies and TV shows and comic books and video games and all that sort of stuff. I listen to it and I have a lot of I wish this is the best because I can ask the questions

because I'm listening to it and you're talking about all these interesting things like pause I'm gonna go Google some stuff for a while but here I just just number pause and text him oh that doesn't sound tedious for him at all Three years ago on episode 49 What did this reference mean? No idea Couldn't tell you about last week. I don't know now before we wrap up We have promised that people that contribute five dollars or more per month to our patreon Which as we said is going quite well

We'll do a shout out to them at the end of the episode So I thought that maybe we go around the table as four of us here We each will try and we'll try and pronounce or probably mispronounce a Don't set me up to file my I'm gonna nail it me too. I'm feeling very confident now I'm just gonna go in order of the people that pledge I'm gonna let whoever it is down very confident. Now we're just going to get one order of the people that pledge. Okay, I'm going to let whoever it is down. You're probably doing that. Cool, because they're like, I wonder if Madelcollet, I wonder if Jesselcollet.

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You are possibly the number one fan Well, the eager or you were online at the time we announced that we had a patreon either way. Thank you all good All right passing the phone so Patrick Wadden passed me the phone to number two and also the second best on I got a really good one an announce you two. Everyone else got trick, trickier ones. Oh, look, I'd love to. Can I go now then? No. Hey, number two on the list. What a bloody legend. Mr. Andrew Eastwood. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. All right. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you. Cheers to you.

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