Two In The Think Tank - 64 - The Zodiac Killer

Episode Date: January 11, 2017

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or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. Just as trying to mime along with so I tried to throw it, make that sound like a different introduction to normal. They're still doing it, they're looking at me, they're mime along with every single word. Hello, my name is Dave James. Swarmity. That's right. That's right.

And welcome. You're just repeating me. I'm repeating. I'm repeating. I'm repeating. I'm repeating. I'm repeating. I'm repeating.

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I'm repeating. I'm repeating. I'm repeating. I'm repeating are talking to you. That's right. He's Yes, that's true. That's true. Oh thanks for having me as a guest. As a guest. Welcome guest. Geez Louise. How the mighty of four. Are you the mighty? Yeah. Oh that's cool. Good for you. I fell over. When did you get mighty? Oh geez. I've done a lot of it in the last week. Yes, I bet. Does it sound like we are dying of heating so stupid? Oh, I got it so hot in here. Because I made the executive decision, so I will take all blame that we need to turn our fan off so it didn't annoy you listeners and home

and your headphones or cast speakers or whatever. You could hear a fan going in the background and it's been about one minute since the fan went off. You won't be annoyed by the fan but you might be annoyed by our whining. It's so hot. It's an example there, yes. Thank you. What, how hot are you going to do this in here? 112 degrees Celsius.

Oh my god. We are roasting. We're dead. I don't, you wouldn't roast it one, 12. Maybe a slow cook. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's worse. It's just, it't roast it 112 maybe a slow cook. Yeah. Yeah, that's worse It's joining your own juice. Yeah, this podcast is a horrible way to die It was always said that though, but no, it's fine. Well, it's worth it. It's pretty hot though

It'd be it'd be mid-thirly in here. Would you guys be cool if I took my shirt and pants? Absolutely not you wouldn't be cool Well, I think Matt would be cool, but I wouldn't be either. I think you'd be that much cooler. Would you? Try it. Now I'm taking my shirt off many times. I mean, don't mean to brag, but I have.

And often it's a lot cooler. Really, that tiny bit of fabric is gonna make you that much hotter. It's weird, isn't it? How one piece of fabric can really? All I'm wearing is one piece of fabric today. It's often used to be in breath and right right and I'm hot. Yeah, maybe that's a you know I mean that's a lovely flowy dress. Thank you. Whereas

Gross clingy t-shirts, but you're at least in cotton. I just realized this isn't cotton. It's not gonna breathe. I mean that isn't It's a knit. It's a woolen knit. It's a woolen knit dress. I'm wearing long sleeve with an inbuilt scarf and Why you wearing the beanie? It looks great. It does it's fashion you wouldn't understand It's a woolen knit dress I'm wearing long sleeve. With an inbuilt scarf and baby. And pants. Why you wearing the beanie? It looks great. It does. It's fashion, you wouldn't understand.

I don't understand. Fashion? I don't understand fashion. Say it. Fashion. Fashion. Fashion. Fashion.

I think you understand now. I think you get it. I'm gonna get it. Yeah. And yeah, it looks good. Thank you. Now Matt, can you hear us over there in your ear holes? Because I believe you get it. It's time to get it. Yeah. And yeah, it looks good. Thank you. Now Matt, can you hear us over there in your ear holes because I believe you have had

an incident that you tweeted about. The other day I was walking, I was in a country town in Victoria called Bright. It's walking down the street, I was walking to go higher up by. And I had to corner my eyes saw this bug sort of buzz past. And then it felt like... It's buzzed too. ...land on my ear, and then went in my ear, and then I went to like, you know, see if it was there,

and it wasn't there, I'm like, oh, that's weird. That felt like it went in my ear, obviously it didn't go in my ear. kept walking, and I just feel and hear flapping. Like sort of muted flapping. Oh, gross. What about that? For that inside me.

Oh, no one else could hear it. Like, people are like, can you hear? And no one could see it. It'd go on deep in. Wow, and it went in quickly too. It went in quite quickly, yeah, because I was doing it. Yeah, that's why I'm kind of worried that maybe it's late-egg So I was did you google that if that's the thing? I googled it and the stories were pretty full on and I

To be honest, it didn't put my mind at ease Well, just within a few days after that you've kind of come down with a flu type thing basically the next day Well that evening I started feeling a bit weird. So I went to the doctors and They were closing. It's a country doctors was New Year's Eve and they were they were about to close. They sent me to the hospital Which felt like I know it was like oh, this is a barricade girl. So we call an ambulance Bug is dying It needs attention. You went to the vet. You went to the vet. They got it out.

Got a CPR. And you only been charged with attempted murder, rather than murder, which is a much bigger crime. I know. I had a really good bug lawyer. Bugsy. A lawyer. Look, OK.

And he, um, he, the bug. No, the doctors, so at the hospital, did you have to wait a long time on the years? Yeah, not too long. There was a little girl who was sick and she was, so she was saying, so you pushed her out the way. Shut up, Julie. Yeah, I'm like, look, I think she's fine.

Yeah. How many bugs do you have in your year? Zero? Fuck off. Next. That's me. And then, uh, so yeah, once she was dealt with, they took me in a room and started prodding around in there. What, with? With an ear, looking thing, you know, the thing they, like, and then, and the nurse came up and she looks in my ear and she's like, I can't see anything.

How can you still hear the flapping at this time? The flapping started to die down. Yeah, because it can't breathe. And I'm going to arm out. Just having a nap. Yeah, true. I'm a sure I'm like, it's just late, it's very tired. I feel like I'm like, I've imagined this

is a weird thing I've made up, because she's like, I can't see anything. And then the doctor comes past, she's like, how do you seen the bug and he was like no no I hadn't I hadn't seen it and I'm like oh fuck oh he's a bad guy like a big boy from the city can't have the whole fly and he's here and he grabbed the thing off her and he goes put it in like less than half a thing and there it is I'm like oh justifying I was both thank god I'm not crazy thing is, there it is. Oh my God, thank God. Justifying. Oh, it's both.

Thank God I'm not crazy. And oh, fuck, there's a bug in me. So it's like, it's around the back, behind this waxy stuff, ear wax probably. Sure. And it makes sense. Bug wax. And then she growed back off him and goes,

she's like now really digging around. It's getting quite painful. And she's like, I can't say it. She's digging around and digging around. and she finds her friend and brings her and she's gone really hard. Like, not seeing anything, because the doctor's wandered off. Oh. And then the doctor comes back like while later and he's like, did you been sorted out? I went, no, no, just hanging out with her mate.

And um... Did he name him? Yeah, Gerald. and sort it out. And I went, no, no, just hanging out with my mate. And, um... Did he name him? Yeah, Gerald. And... Great bug name. But they ended up just, he just tipped a saline solution. This is a way, that's quite a dull story, isn't it?

But tipped a saline solution in and they got this suction thing out. They went through all these different options and couldn't get it. And then, use this suction thing and he goes, no, it's dead now, it's drowned. He's like, it's dead. He did it really quickly.

I quite liked his style. He was very accurate and quick. He's like, it's dead now, it's sucking him out. And then, and then he starts sucking, I guess, no, he's not. What, sorry, with his mouth. No, he had like a suction tool. Day. A straw. Yeah. It was amazing. It was amazing. I guess no, he's not with his mouth. No, he had a like a suction tool a straw

Yeah, it was but as amazing as it was like a mechanical straw with like a mechanical mouth I guess that makes it Motorized mouth is it motorized this thing genuinely. Yeah, it was like a form. I was like something like a reverse air pump suction Yeah, thing that's I've never had had something sucked out of my brain before. All right. Well, you haven't lived. Growing up.

All right. You're only young. But he goes, he goes as dead and then he starts sucking and he goes, no, it's not dead. Here it comes. It's coming out. I'll finish him off and then he, I'll finish him off. And he goes, yeah, he sucked him the rest of the way out.

And I just went down a tube and I didn't even get to see it I want how big it was yeah, no, so I don't know anything. I don't know what kind of bug it was did it survive I don't know I went into their suction Probably not probably not them it while this is all going on and I'm like I mean I mean hospital because we got a bug in my ear there's a there's a Just a curtain and on the other side of a curtain a woman is being asked if she knows the day like she's seriously in trouble and I'm on the other side taking three people's attention away for a bug and

going like oh this is fucked this is like this old lady struggling but did she get it she got the dates right now, but then they asked what's the prime minister's name? Oh, it's hard to fucking keep up. I know that's a question. What a weird question. So she goes Donald Trump Close and her partner Like you know those sort of awkward scenarios where his partner's not doing too well So he's feeling awkward, but something breaks attention like her St. Donald Trump, who's the Australian Prime Minister. So he cracks that laughing. And goes, she doesn't know anything about politics, whether

she's well or not. You know, that's a weird, that would be me. Yeah. I was like, when they said, what day of the week is it? I'm like, I've got no idea. I don't know. I don't know what you're doing. I'm not like I'm body all days. Especially and she's retirement age. Yeah, you know, what day that what does it matter? I think if I was not a bad old age. I'm not a bad old age. I'm not a bad old age. I'm not a bad old age. Especially, and she's retirement age. Yeah, you don't know. What day, what does it matter? I think if I was in a hospital.

You want to ask what's your name? Yeah. You know, things that she would definitely know. Who's the assistant treasurer? I don't know. I'm afraid we're going to have to put you in a home. I'm so sorry. We're going to have to put you down.

I'm so sorry. Sorry. You've had a good rhyme. We've got serious people to deal with. They've got bugs in there. That would genuinely be me though. I know. They've asked me to hit the prime minister's. I don't want to fucking hit you.

Quick, quick, quick, pass out. And I just like pretend to die. I like it. I think it's like, quick, quick, quick, pass, pass. Next question, they've got like a cute shape ready to go. All right. If you hear this sound, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, the answer is already been said. Another answer. Oh Matt, well, but you've been been a bit sick since but you don't have any bugs on the brain.

Yeah, anyway, what, I guess why I was telling you about it was because I would really like for you to do an episode about bugs today please. Well, Jess, well over to you. Great. Doing the report? That is so lucky because my topic is bug related. Yes, genuinely. Yeah, I assume all of the people in this story have at some point in their life seen or heard of a bug. So... Really? Yeah, every single one.

So this is pretty recent then because bugs are only discovered this century. Is that chewy or bubble gum? Oh, chewy or blue tack on the... Oh, I see that I should put my hand in. Oh, it's like possible chewing gum. Who is it that keeps leaving chewy in the studios? Oh, that is the best. And in a place where my hands would naturally rest.

That's a fuck. Sorry to derail, but James LaWise. That is, that is even worse than the chair roller. Yeah, agreed. That's a fuck. I got accused when I got here today of being the person who steals all the comfort chairs out of the office and puts them in the podcast studio.

And I was like, how do you? How do you? But on our, we now admit that it is you. Oh, 100%. But that's only because I know the person accusing me will not listen to this. So. Hello Xavier.

All right. Very busy, man. Very busy, man. So, okay. No, this isn't bug related. Yes, I do assume that all of the people in this story have seen bugs. Or no, they may have even seen a bug's life. The film.

Really? Post 96? It's not, but. Okay. They were probably alive in 96. Well, no, some of them definitely weren't. Okay. Oh, look.

Can I bring you to your question, please? Absolutely. So, my question is a little bit different today in that I want to, I want you guys to basically figure it out, which is I suppose what a question would do as well, but I'm going to give you a cast. Okay, so um. Popoong. The ads already said.

So there's a, there's like a genre of topics that I have done that you may not be the biggest fans of, but our listeners certainly are. But not dance. Not dance. What's the other sort of topic that I tend to lean towards? It's my skills. No. Oh, music.

No. Tragedy. There we go. Terrible killing. Bang, there we are. Oh no, Matt. Oh no. Woo, woo, woo, we're talking serial killer.

We're just like, the solicitors what they want. Even though Matt and I always leave feeling quite uncomfortable. I was really searching late at night and was scared to go to bed. Um, it's alright, it is not a good idea to get on the old Wikipedia and look up a serial killer before bed. Done it many times, regretted it every time. So, but this one, the reason that I kind of chose this was because it's probably one of our most requested topics The heaps of people who have asked for this one. So I was like I'm just giving the people what they want And also I get to read about to kill this so I also do have a morbid fascination But I do have to do I have to regret afterwards because I saw

Remembering people are like that out there. Yeah, and like, if you're not many, but still. Now I get why you quickly corrected yourself when you said that most of these people are alive. Yeah, some are definitely dead. Oh, dear. Like real dead, like yuck dead. So the question's going to be, what kind, which serial killer? Which serial killer? You don't have a few guesses about who may be be who you who you heard of is a northern hemisphere

Yes, Ted Bundy. No is American. Yes. All right, so that rule that so do you act you're Jack the Ripper so do you Do you yes so many people of us are this I may have seen a half hour portion of the so do you know? I'll be Danny junior and I motel once, so I think I'm in a motel. Perfect play. I watched most of that once as well when I walked in on my friends and they were watching it and I saw the last two thirds. Oh so you're even more of an expert than I am. Yeah and I'm pretty, I'm not saying. I I am, but I'm terrified of scary movies. Like, I won't watch them. Is it more of a procedural, like, what they're doing to find out? It wasn't very scary.

Okay, that's all right then. I won't do scary movies. So Zodiac Killer has been suggested by a number of people. Oh yes, we have to thank probably half the listeners here. Yeah, so here we go. Oh, these have we missed your suggestion on this topic. Daniel Ryan. Frequent legend.

Frequently legend. Tom, Tom Chrysler. Slightly less legendary, but still. No, you're great Tom, thank you. Oscar. Oscar's a Frequenter. Sam Smith, Austin Brackets. Sam Smith.

Austin Brackets. What's inside the brackets? Stop it. Anyway, so those, you guys have all suggested it's Odeaac. And that's trying to take my thing by having a cough. I have a cough. Get a hot cough. I'm just off for a cough.

I'm just going to go to a cough. I'm going to grab some cough. Anyone want a cough? Anyone in? You guys up for a cough, lad? And you let your cough. One's pretty dry. To go on.

So, there's only at Killa, who is a serial killer who operated in Northern California in the late 60s and early 70s. The killer's identity remains unknown. Oh no, it's a mystery. It's a mystery, eh? Oh no. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop,

fuck you, waterkey. It's a serial killer. It's a mystery. Alright. Err, so... I'm excited. I like the listeners' favorite and least favorite combo. So between December of 1968 and October of 1969, these Odeak murdered victims in various

places around California. Four men and three women between the ages of 16 and 29 were targeted. The killer originated the name zodiac in a series of taunting letters sent to local Bay area press. These letters included cryptograms or ciphers, so like puzzles to figure out the message. You know what I mean? A little code. Codes.

Only one of those, so he sent four over the course of the years and only one has been definitively solved. So even some of his codes and stuff that he sent to people that they couldn't figure them out. Is there any chance that they're bullshit? That they're bullshit. Or can they tell that it's a code

but just not crack it? Yeah, they can't crack it. Or can they tell that it's a code but just not crack it? Yeah, they can't crack it. But they can tell that it's not just a mumbo jumbo. No, because it's not necessarily that he just write letters in. It's to do with symbols will represent a certain word. And you've got to figure a certain letter, sorry. It'd be pretty fine if he just wrote gibberish. It was like, no, they code for you to crack.

It's just gibberish. but then they somehow crack the code anyway and find him. He's like, no! How? Oh, I was a subliminal code. He's accidentally coding. He's ready to write a address. Return address.

Zodiac killer care of Tom Jones. We'll be home after three on Thursday, the 13th of March. Come around I'll be putting on a nice PIMS lemonade. Please RSVP by the 10th so I can buy adequate amount of citrus fruit for the PIMS. Use the side gate and the back toilet. Kind regards. Please say out. Tom Jones slash 30th kill. Tom Jones is the killer. Tom Jones is not killer. Yeah, Tom Jones is not on usual World to kill seven people over two years No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no He's Welsh. Yes, but he doesn't sound Welsh. He's got a deep nice voice. Like Matt does. Matt gives the Tom Jones. Hi, I'm Tom Jones.

Nailed it. It's not unusual. Fuck, he's good. To find out I'm in love with you, bro. Is this your true calling? A Tom Jones cover band? Why do we never get Matt to do impressions? He's actually really good. It just happens to have a deep voice similar to this one person. I still think I can nail.

Except you have to say, hello, I'm Sean Conroy and they're in a sentence. Exactly. Which he doesn't do in any movies. Because he's a real Sean Conroy, I suppose. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha decided every time. I never know what to say when takeaway people enter the phone. Hello, you know, Shaki's pastor and pizza, whatever. Sure. And I'm like, hello, I'd like to make an order, please. It's like they know that, or sometimes I go, hi, I'd like to make an order under the name

of Dave. Well, that's nice. But then they might forget and they'll just ask you to name any of them. Yeah, they do. So what's the name? I'm like I might look I started the conversation with that and if you can't decide for this I will leave a series of clues and if you can give the full the the fish and chips to my personal address they'll be much appreciated great so you're hungry yeah I'm very hungry I'm waiting on several meals only one of four has been correct no I think it's nice to say can I place an order please?

That's fine, do that. Is that fine, thank you. Absolutely. Matt, thank you. It's so rude to just be like minimum chips, pace of flight. Yeah, it's just, it's like, you just can't even get a bit. Start a little bit. Yeah, well, yeah, it's like, hey, how's it going?

What about that? No, because then, how about good? Oh, yeah, you're good. How's everybody been up to? You, um, making fish and chips. I've never thought about starting with, yeah, you're good. How's everybody been up to? I've never really thought about that. I've never thought about starting with, hi, how's it going?

I've never thought about starting with, hi, how's it going? That's all right. I started every sentence with that basically. No, so annoying. Anyway, just how's it going? I answer phones for a living, don't ask. Hi, how are you? No, because I get good, thank you.

You don't make fish and chips for a living though, so I'm just speaking to them, please. Yeah, but that's fine, but most of the time, you say, I'm good, thank you, how are you and they've already started talking? And you're like, oh, now I feel like, I'm good, thank you. Can I have? Yeah, but that's fine, but most of the time you say, I'm good thinking how are you and they've already started talking and you're like, oh, now I feel like I'm good thinking about it. I'm good thinking about it. How are you minimum chips? Wait, so are you annoyed by the question or that they've, if you've been burnt by people talking over your honest answer? Yeah, they're not listening. Well, I mean, I'm used to people not listening

to me when I speak. Oh, I'm going to give you a phone call now, ring ring, ring ring. Hello Jess speaking. Hey Jess, how's it going? Oh, I'm good thinking how are you? Yeah, good thing, it's Matt here. I was just calling because I've got a problem with my, what kind of thing do you work on? I was saying washing machine.

Washing machine, I got an issue with my washing machine. See, that's fine. Are you the right person to shut up? I thought we were ordering for chips. No, but it's fine because he actually answered me and then started talking. They do it again, but it's fine because he actually answered me and then started talking They do it again, but just keep going after you say hey going ready Ring ring ring ring. Oh, you're just speaking. Hey, how's it going good? Thanks anyway. I've got a washing machine issue

Can you fix it? No, no, I can't all right, but could I get a minimum chips? Absolutely Thank you very much. What name was that for? Tom Jones. Tom Jones, very good. I'll be ready in 15 minutes. Thank you so much. I'll pick them up soon, put the cat. What's new? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Anyway.

I know two of his songs. Gold, no, what's his bottom? I mentioned it last time. A man with a golden gun, was that him? No, he was something ball, or something thunder ball. Thunder ball, yeah. You're just saying the word thunder ball, aren't you? Yeah.

Anyway. And I've only ever heard not Tom Jones sing it, so I gotta... How did we get on to that? Because he was being rude. Oh yeah. A rude message. So sorry, everybody. Because he has bad phone etiquette.

Bad phone etiquette. One of his many crimes. Okay, message, so sorry everybody. Because he has bad phone etiquette. Bad phone etiquette. One of his many crimes. Okay, so the first murders, widely attributed to the zodiac killer, were the shooting of high school students, Betty Lou Jensen, great name. And David Faraday, also good name. On 20th of December 1968, on Lake Herman Road,

the couple were on their first date, oh, brutal, and planned to attend a Christmas concert at Hogan High School about three blocks from Jensen's home. The couple instead visited a friend before stopping at a local restaurant and then driving out on Lake Herman Road. Whoa, sounds like they planned on turning the Christmas. That's where they've told their parents but really they're going out to get a bit busy. Well yeah, because at about 10, 15pm, Ferreiday parked his mother's rambler in a gravel turn out,

which was well known, lovers lane. Yeah, they were gonna get their free gone. Top and a seal. Wow, wow, yep. Over. There's another new jewel. Over the top of the t-shirt though, Jesus, it's their first date. Come on.

God, Betty Ray, Cyrus, whatever. And I'm just a bit of a ranger. Betty Lou Jensen. Betty Lou Jensen. Over the top. She's a class out. She's an absolute class. David Faraday, hands off, bud.

Yeah, hey, how about you get to know my brain before you get to know my body? Yeah. And how about we go to this fucking Christmas concert? Like, you said we were going to... Tom Jones was playing. Dringle bells. At home at high school, that's awesome. That's so cool.

It's probably like, this is in the 60-80s. Yeah, it was part of his long peak. Yeah, peak Jones. Which keeps going. Peak Jones. Peak Jones. Peak Jones. Peak Jones.

He's peaked. Anyway, so that's about quarter past ten. That was about quarter past ten, they parked the car in Lovers Lane, just probably just to do their math homework or something. Yeah, it's got good lighting and a great internet connection. Yeah, so let's get some homework done before Christmas, so we can really just chill out. So shortly after 11 p.m, their bodies were found by stellar

boarders who lived nearby and the Sheriff's Department investigated the crime but no leads developed. They were utilizing available forensic data and they postulated that another car pulled into the turn out just prior to 11pm and parked beside the couple and the killer apparently exited the second car and walked towards the rambler, possibly ordering the couple out of the car. Jensen appears to have exited the car first, yet when Faraday was halfway out, the killer apparently shot Faraday in the head,

and then Jensen started running, and was gunned down 28 feet from the car with five shots through her back. Ah! I wonder what his angle is. So he's a pretty good shot. Yeah. Pretty well, I guess, I don't know.

Oh three metres, not that far. Ago was the name of the person that found him. Say that name. You enjoyed that. I heard you little girl. Stella Borges. Stella Borges. Stella's a good name.

I think I got a bottle of champagne. Yeah. Stella Borges. I want to say. You want to get a bottle of Stella Borges first. That special occasion. Yeah, I do. That's another made-up name.

Matt, can you pick up some Stella Borges on your way home? We've got guests coming. Oh, who's coming? Who deserves this stiller? The Queen. Oh, the Queen's coming. Just why I love his lane. You don't mind? Yeah, just pop past love his lane, pick up some stiller borders. Okay, but remember with the Queen, only above shirt petting. Please, please, on the first petting. On the first, she's a lady, she's a lady, she's much more lady like than polyrace iris. I can do that. I think it was Billy Ray Jipson. Betty Ray Jinson, Betty Lou Jinson. Wow, I got another name the names right. God. So yeah, so after that, they investigated, but they were never able to find any evidence,

or never able to find the killer. Then just before midnight on July 4, 1969, so it was about six months later, Darlene Ferrin. Great, that is. Darlene. They're all random computer-generated names. And Michael McGill. Oh, I'm ready to Michael McGill right now.

They drove into the Blue Rock Spring Park. Oh, no, was there a lot of these kids? Well, young, I don't know. Oh, wait, are these victims we're making fun of? Yeah. Well, I wasn't making fun of so interesting point of difference there. So they parked their car in the park and while the couple sat in in Darlene's car, a second car drove into the light and parked alongside them but almost immediately drove away. And then about ten minutes later the car came back and parked again. No, no, the head chance to get away. The driver of the second car then ex of the vehicle approached the passenger side passenger door of the car and he had a flashlight and a 9mm Luger. That's a gun man.

It's not just a big spitball. Yeah, yeah. A 9mm line. Get out of the car. I've got a really big one ready to go. Get out. I can't hold it. No, no, no.

Oh, he doesn't like spit jokes, I don't know. Of course I don't. Have a modicum of taste, please. Oh, a modicum. How do the, I'm wondering how they know such specific things. Like, oh yeah, you're gonna get under that. No, no, he's driven in twice. I'm like oh maybe they've figured that out from car tracks.

How else might they know? But survivor. Boom! A wanna key, he's on it! Yes! I can tell you, you can only kill one person with a spit ball. Not two. Yeah.

Well he's not a millimeter liver. That's right, bloody um. The other ones had time to run. Matt McGo's out. Matt McGo. So the first one they a millimeter. That's right. But he um the other ones had time to run Matt McGo's out Matt McGo's out so the first one they both died and they tell us story because you could sort of figure it out A bit of forensic evidence based on like car tracks and stuff like that He was shot in the head when the body was just out the door exactly Where is obviously the girl was a bit further away. I think this bullet may have killed him

I would have been weird for zodiac to go Look, I got him both while they were sitting in the car, but I want to make this little fun. I want to drag her away a little bit. But that's not unheard of either. Yeah, what? But why? I don't know, just to throw him off.

You could probably tell us on the brand and you shot him down there. And they can tell if they've, if bodies have been moved. Yeah, unless you're really good at it. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he's, or she. Yeah. He's real good. I reckon he's, or she, yeah. He's real good.

I reckon there's Polyrace Iris. Just putting it out there. She's dead. It's not a person. It doesn't exist. Cause she's dead. She died in the first paragraph. No, I'm just, I just,

I've got a feeling that someone called Cali Ray Gypsen. No, I've got a feeling that someone called Polyrace Iris is the killer. I'm just putting it out there. Okay. And by the end of the episode, if we've solved it, you'll know that I was right. Okay, yeah.

Am I just... Am I just going? Oh yeah, they haven't been shot yet. They haven't been shot yet. You don't know that they are going to be too. We're jumping just some conclusions here. He's got a Luger. He's got a Luger, which is a gun. Now, he directed the flashlight into their eyes and then shot at them firing five times now both victims were hit and

Several bullets had passed through McGoo McGoo and into Darling so it shot through Michael into darling Now the killer walked away from the car, but upon hearing that Michael was moaning he returned and shot it each victim twice before driving off I know. I don't want to speak out of turn here or jump to any conclusions. But I fucking hate the zodiac guy. He's a real jerk.

He's a big old jerk. You sure? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like I better eat out a lot of living to go. I did not. No. I did not. Oh no.

I did not want being sincere and so darling as well. Darling, I know. She had everything in front of her. So unlike man, I'm not going to jump to conclusions on this guy. He's only shot four people so far. How many people are in the world? Think about the people he hasn't shot. Yeah, well I mean that is of course the other side of the coin and I think it's a perfectly valid side of the coin

I've just flipped and landed on the he's a piece of fucking shit Side which is you know the smaller side I'm probably I'm guessing that pop the opinion disagrees with me But that's fine. All right. Am I not allowed to have an opinion now, Dave? Hey, we're going to find out what the popular opinion is. So is Michael gone? Is he McGon? Well, this all just happened. Do go McGon. This was all happening just before midnight. It was quite late at night, right?

At about 1240, a man phoned the police department to report and claim responsibility for the attack. The caller also took credit for the murders of Jensen and Faraday six and a half months earlier. Oh, on the phone. On the phone. So he's called him and he said, Hey, I've just shot some people in a part. Okay, sorry, I've just got another call. I'm trying to fix a washing machine at the moment. Can you just hold for two jips? Yeah, okay. It's really important though. All right. Look, let me see if I can lose this washing machine, Clown. It's been overly polite anyway. Kind of getting on my nerves. Just get to the fucking point, mister. We've switched.

We have. Are you playing me now? I think so, yeah. Okay, I think you did quite well actually. Thank you very much. I felt like you actually, you were much warmer pretending to be me than you normally are. And I could see that. Yeah, I lifted.

Yeah. That's acting. I'm an actor. Wow. So many rights. There was suddenly get why people love me so much. Yeah. Do you think I'm a ray of sunshine? Yeah.

You're a... Wow! It's a cally-ray of sunshine. I'm cally-ray of sunshine. It's sunshine. It's sunshine. It's polyray. Sorry, I'm sorry.

It's polyray. It's a cally-ray of sunshine. It's a cally-ray of sunshine. Anyway. Woo. So, he's called the police station, he's told them that he's just shot some people and he also did it six and a half months ago.

The police traced the call to a phone with a gas station at Spring Road about three tenths of a mile from Farron's home and only a few blocks away from the police department itself. So, Darlene, so like, I think obviously people were like, okay, this is what's happened, so then they went and found Darlene and Michael. Right. Darlene, unfortunately, was pronounced dead at the hospital.

She survived. I mean, he survived. So Michael survived the attack, starting shot in the face, neck and chest. How many times? A lot. And it went through him to her? Yes, I want a fucking awful thing to live through awful, but he's he survived Shot in the face and live would he be charged with the attempt of murder? This is gone through him. No, Dave

That's like an own goal if a goalie gets a finger on it. It's like a ricochet No, that's not an own goal. No, that's not a don't go. You know what I mean. If a defender accidentally... I don't think that's... Yeah, but then that defender has made contact with the ball, right? Yeah. So, but in this case, Michael hasn't touched the gun.

Or... The bullet. He didn't hold the gun. Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people. Right. Okay, new theory. Pull it, kill people. Right. Okay, new theory. What is?

Michael's been shot. He crawls to a phone booth, makes the call saying, I did it because he did do it. Yeah. Goes back to the car. He's got a way with murder. Wow. One amazing thing to put yourself through. But if you want the thing that people go to to get away with murder, you should watch

the Poirot episode, the egg of the Christian. Oh my god. Death on the Nile. Jesus squeezes Poirot in a way. He hugs it, doesn't he? He'll get... I love that you also know the names of the episodes. Oh man, it is a rip one of the best.

Really? Do you have to know Poirot well to watch it? No, they're all self-contained. Do you have to know the Nile well? No, butwaro well to watch it. No, they're all self-contained. You have to know the Nile well. No, but it helps. Anyway, so Michael has survived. Now on, so that was early to live. It's strange. The police must be thinking, well, we're going to get this guy. He wants to tell us what's going on. Yeah. He's just down the road.

There's so much pressure. This is gonna be so quick and easy. I imagine that. And in their heads, I'd be like, oh, this guy's not right, we're gonna quickly. Yeah, but imagine in the 1960s, it would probably take a couple of hours to trace that phone call, right?

I don't know. It's not like now when you're like, quick call up Telstra and ask who's doing this. Yeah, I don't know. How quick is it now anyway? Like in the movies, it always makes it sound like they have to keep them talking for 30 seconds. Yeah, that's where they can trace it. I wonder if it's doing this. Yeah, I don't know. How quick is it now anyway? Like in the movies, it always makes it sound like they have to keep them talking for 30 seconds.

Yeah. Yeah, that's where they can trace it. I wonder if it's like that. And the bad guy always knows to hang up just in time. Yeah. Yeah, they've got to keep them talking, keep them talking. See you later. Beep!

Do we get in? We lost the call. We lost the call. We lost the call. But then again, you listen to serial and they could like trace text messages that was sent from. To the town. What town? Yeah, what town? So, you know, and that was data from ages ago.

God, Jesus Louise, tell you what, anyway. So that was early July, right? And then in August, August 1st of 1969, three letters prepared by the killer were received at the Vallejo, I'm probably saying that wrong, I'm really sorry, Dave. It's pronounced Akren. Who's saying the Leo?

It's a Valeo, yeah. Valeo times Harold, the San Francisco Chronicle, and the San Francisco examiner, so three newspapers. Now, the nearly identical letters took credit to the shootings at Lake Herman Rose, for the first ones, Betty and David, and Betty Lou Jensen, and also the Blue Rock Springs, which was Michael and Darlene. I'm not going to be able to remember everybody's name as we go, because... Michael McGill, Darlene, Farron. I could just say it, I'm on a microphone.

Farron. So each letter also included one third of a 408 symbol cryptogram, which the killer claimed contained his identity. Right, right, right. So he sent these to three different places? Yes. So he sent it to three different newspapers. Very cool. And so he's split up the cryptogram into thirds and sent a third each.

Right. he's split up the cryptogram into thirds and sent a third each, right? So then he said that they all had to be printed on each on each paper's front front page or he would cruise around or weekend killing lone people in the night, then move on to kill again until I end up with a dozen people over the weekend. Oh, you can't give into that. Can you? Well, like the papers would be like, nah, we've got some hot goss will put on the front cover instead.

Well you can't just because that's what it's holding them to ransom you can't be like I'm gonna I'm gonna blow up your building If you don't put my story on the front page, sure you can't do they do it. Yeah, they did it Absolutely they did Well probably the newspapers are probably also like why this was sell when they weren't really well So I'm not sure if they all did it the chronicle definitely did they published It's third of the cryptogram on page four of the next day's edition. Not on the franchise. He would have been fucking pissed.

Page four. An article printed alongside the code quoted the police chief, Jack E. Stilts. Great name. Good job. Jack E. Stilts are saying, we're not satisfied that the letter was written by the murder and requested the writer send a second letter with more facts to prove his identity. Keep him talking. Now the threatened murder did not happen and all three parts were eventually published so all three parts of his, his cryptogram and on August 7th so about a week later another letter was received at the San Francisco Examiner with the cellutation

dear editor this is the zodiac speaking and this was the first time the killer would use this name for identification, like he named himself Zodiac, which is kind of weird. Then again, like I really wanted an inic name and I landed with Bob, so Zodiac's pretty sick. This is the Bob killer. This is the Bob speaking. The letter was a response to Chief Silks' request

for more details that would prove he had killed Faraday, Jensen and Farron. And so in this letter, there's only a conclusion of details about the murders, which had not yet been released to the public. So it's sort of like, only I would know this because I was there. It's not like somebody could have researched up and, you know, known, he was like, well, he is this. As well as a message to the police that when they cracked his code,

they will have me. So it's like, well, you know, I cracked my code, and you'll find me. The next day, Donald and Betty Harden, two, just two people, cracked the 408 symbol cryptogram. It contained just two people cracked it. Two people. Husband and wife president said I know what their relationship is but they're obviously real bored but is that just one third no that's all that's all that's all of it they

got it they got it what did it say I'm getting to it I'm so excited so exciting right so it's like it's sort of spelling mistakes and it's a bit like this, the rest of this sentence explains it, but I don't read you what he said. So it says, I like killing people because it is so much fun, it is more fun than killing wild game and the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all. To kill something to give me the most thrilling experience, it is even better than getting your rocks off with a girl. The best part of it is that when I die I will be reborn in paradise and they have killed...

we'll be... oh those I've killed maybe, I don't know, he's the spelling is so bad. Those I've killed will become my slaves. I will not give you my name because you will try to slow down or stop my collecting of slaves for my afterlife. Ebe plip pl, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip, blip,

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Some sort of a genius. I would say that. I wouldn't say that every serial killer is. No, wait. Wait, wait, what? Is this another moment? Wait, let him finish. No, no, no, no, no, no, no but some I would just say the weirder than others, but this sounds real weird. He was definitely going to say that not all serial killers are psychos. He was definitely going to say that.

I don't know if they are because they're not. Well, there is a technical definition for psychopath. Sure, but they would have, there may not be psychopath or sociopath, which is a different one as well, but they would definitely have some sort of psychological... Oh, well, they're not well. They've got some pretty extreme issues. Apart from, you know, physically. You're old mate. You're old mate. He was fine. He was misunderstood. I mean, he wasn't that bad. He's talking about the Zediac?

Oh, it could be anyone, couldn't it? I mean, it could have been him. Could have been. Could have been. You know mate. I don't know how you're talking about. I don't know how you do mate. I think you do.

Also speaking of Dave's mate, on the radio the other day, we had a newsreader doing a new story about Hitler's book, but she called him adult Hitler. And she did it like my co-host Mitch and I, we heard it, we heard it, we heard it, we heard it and looked at each other and I was weird, but then she did, she does a new sprake so she does, she'll do them like four news breaks within the one show and she did it every time, adult Hitler. And what do you think she just written that word down? I still think she could say it's nice. Adol Hitler. Well Adol Hitler was much scary than childhood. Yeah we started making jokes about baby Hitler. Anyway.

Did it? So you were bringing it up in between? No we didn't mention it on air but we mentioned it to each other. So you mean that she'd done it twice? And you didn't do it. And you didn't say hey by the way you're making a bit of a full no that is to be fair she's not she's in a different studio oh so I could bang on the window and oh so not in a different city no what was it just how she's saying it oh don't make me the bad guy here she said adult Hitler it's very funny what an idiot she's a grown woman She's probably around when he was a nice. She's not that old. Anyway, she's an adult. She's an adult Somebody tell me to do go on Michael and my go I come the go on. That's what you should have said before Matt

I know I knew it's only I knew it's because you just said Michael anyway I I understood right in that moment that I fucked it, but thanks for, buddy, going back and tipping a shovel or just shoving the knife in a bit deeper. Well, you bring up adult Hitler and I'll come back and I'll fuck you all up. Oh, wow. As Hitler would have wanted. Yeah. Good for you, Dave.

And it really gets him fired up, thinking about his overlord or whatever. As the, what are you referring to him off air? So, Diak. That is not true. Pleased to announce for that. Back to the Zodiac. Thinking about his overlord or whatever he got. What are you referring to him off at? So deac. That is not true. Pleased to announce for that. Back to the zodiac. So these letters and his cryptogram and everything, that was all in August of 69, at the end of September,

the next month. Pacific Union College students, Brian Hartnell, and Cecilia Sheppard, those are pretty good names too. Yeah. Cecilia Sheppard. I can't wait for that to be a dull name in one of our reports. They're never easy. They're shant bait.

And you know what else I can't wait for? That'll be a bad year. Yeah. Not gonna happen. Somebody did tweet and was like you should like mix it up a bit and say what a crappy year. I just can't because every year is a good year. They're all great.

You should think of one year itself. One year and then when it comes up, oh, oh, let's see. Maybe one of the years when Dave's mate did a lot of his worst damage. Yeah, what he used with those saves, you'd know them very well. I mean, you think of them as positive years, but. Well, it's the rest of the world. No. No.

Not all serial killers of that batch. No. Didn't never say that. You can't even claim that one, so. Anyway, Brian and Cecilia. I'm basically saying it. Brian and Cecilia were picnicking at Lake Berryessa, which is fun to say, have a go.

Lake Berryessa. Berryessa. Adult Hitler. Fucked it, fuck. So having a picnic, which is adorable, on a small island connected by a sand spit Luga to twin oak rich, none of this really knows all that much now apparently a man approached them. This is super creepy Oh, I also realized like it's so fascinating because in my head

I just turned into like a movie and it's just a horror movie and it's but this actually happened. It's terrifying Yeah, it's called zodiac. It's got Robert's in junior. I got to watch it Anyway, a man approached them wearing a black execution as type hood. Oh no, no. Clip on sunglasses over the eye holes. You're like, you're terrifying, you're terrifying. Oh, who's this fucking idiot? This is like a, here it makes puzzles for the police.

He's got Clip on Sundays at a bib A dribble bib. No, it's like a bib like device in his chest. That apparently had like a white Had like look I was gonna say before he doesn't sound like he's that insane But he's clearly he clearly you look yourself in the mirror I've just been at it eating some sort of fried chicken with some dipping sauce And just the one you got to clip on Sundays over You look yourself in the mirror with the hood on, you go, yes, I could scare people with this. Hang on, I don't want to damage the eyes,

but I put on the on sun protection. Maybe he has really, really noticeable eyes, like identifiable. Like Dave, if I think I saw you in a Bella Claw, or I'd know it was you, with those big blues. Thank you very much. I know them anywhere. Old blue eyes here.

Matt, I wouldn't have a fucking clue. No idea't see his eyes is so hairy yeah you'd have to he's like a bear that's a big. I've never seen Matt's mouth. What's his mouth look like he's pulling his body. What are you hiding like a gill. That's so fun. Oh, I'm afraid no offense. No offense, but something that's on your face that's always there. No offense for that's gross. Oh. What's going on?

I will have to tweet a photo of that. Sorry. We'll put a warning up as well. I only look if you're an adult. Sorry, we'll put a warning up as well Only look if you're an adult hit like It's a weird thing. I was aware that what I was gonna do there. There's a couple of things That in there If you wanted to fright people out though having a picnic on a sand bar, you wouldn't need an execution So he just lift up your mustache and be like, yeah!

But of course you, but you'd be wearing sunglasses to hide your identity. Yeah, of course. What would I need to hide? No, I don't want to ask. You laugh. Could not laugh whilst killing. That's the number one rule.

There's no way I should drink. Look at him go down. That would be scary. That would change that would change your laugh. Oh yeah. If you're doing that it's the moment people down. Cop that I don't hit. I can't even mimic my own laugh. I don't know what it sounds like. It just feels good to me. Sounds like death. Anyway. Hear that laugh you're in real trouble. Oh, so he approached him with these clip-on glasses and his executioner style robe. Drunkenness all the clip-on glasses and thought, oh, everything's gonna be okay.

Yeah, probably. But then, then he had a gun. And he also, he also told him that he was an escaped convict from D. Lodge Montana where he had killed a guard and stolen a car. If they know this, Matt, I'm thinking that someone might survive, which is good. Yeah, he explained that he needed their car and money to go to Mexico. He had brought pre-cut links with plastic clothesline and told Shepherd to tie up Hartnell so he made Cecilia tie up Brian. Oh, if he got me to do that He'd think I was trying to do a bad job, but really I'm just bad. Oh, no, no, no

Mate, you fuck it don't fuck me over here tie her up properly, and I'll be like all right I've got the two bunny ears. You're in a real sweet sweet spot there as the guy cuz you You'd be like he's doing this and There's the guy, because you'd be like, he's doing this and going to kill us anyway, but you just be like, I guess it's worth a try. What, not tying properly. No, like doing what he says. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Obviously this guy, if it's assuming this is the Zord, yeah. Then he's going to be going to fuck him in the end. Yeah. So that's probably the moment where you want to like Punch him right in the clip-ons He can I reckon that would be my play punch me in the clip-ons Oh no my clip-ons whipped off. Oh, you can see my red eyes my distinctive red eyes. Oh, no

It's like a little it's like an albino rabbit Um what the hood would also protect his skin from this sun? Anyway, so he's made Cecilia tie up Brian and then the killer himself ties Brian up. But then he knows that Cecilia had tied Brian's hands kind of loosely. Maybe she's just bad at practical tasks. I reckon that his task was alright. Okay, her tie pair then her to hang on. Oh no.

This doesn't work. I knew it's the third person. I'm gonna say. Hey over there, come over here. I'm just gonna tie her hands. I'm just gonna tie her hands. So his hands, so he can then tie her up. Oh hang on.

This is a lot of his bizarre maths problems. He's running out of code for it. Hang on, no, I've got this, I've got this. If she tight, no, you tie me up and then I hang on, no, this isn't good. So he takes, he takes a chicken in the boat across to the other side first. Quick, hold my gun, hold on, let me think this out, we'll do both hands. I'm going to count on them, I think fingers, both fingers, I've only got one. That's exactly what happened.

What did happen? So he's noticed that she did a shit job. So he's just tied it up. He's tightened both up so they're both tight. So if you were thinking, good, they can get away. Dirk, he was like, sorry about that. Sorry. Who knows?

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Celia before he died and she's asked it on. No, he's written it in blood as he died. A really long message including the words I thought this was robbery I think I was wrong. But the man then drew a knife and stabbed them both repeatedly. Why did you draw a knife first? Enough with your illustrations, mate, get to the killing! With Brian's blood! Oh Brian, you're writing a message there, can I have a go? That's a pretty good knife.

So he stabbed them and repeated it. He stabbed them repeatedly. This is not the same MO, it made us a brand-a. I know, but the killer then hiked 500 yards back up to Knoxville road through the cross-circle symbol on Hartnell's Cardo with a black felt tip pen and wrote beneath it, Vallejo, 12, 20, 68, 7, 4, 69, September, 27, 69, 6, 30, by knife. So like coordinates? Yeah, well no, sort of, yeah, I guess so, yeah, he's done the date. Yeah. And some court. Yeah all no sort of yeah I guess so yeah he's done the date

yeah and some court. What was the layout again? That was one of the previous murders. Ah so he gave the coordinates of a part. The tight the date yeah the place and the date. Creepy. Right but he's also done this symbol that's become his symbol which is like a cross with a circle around the middle as well. Have you ever seen that. Yeah, it's on the features heavily in the movie. Ah. Maybe in the logo of the movie. Do you know the two thirds of the movie you saw that? Probably in the outro.

The end credits. So he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's changed his weapon. Yeah, that's what I was saying. It's a different M.O. And also, Hmm. Why, I saw he's tied him up and then stabbed him.

Tied him up and stabbed him. Because because he was like I probably can't take him So he's not a big strong guy obviously who knows otherwise you probably because he means the only one was a knife He could have just why he takes so long to do it. I don't know. I don't know. I just enjoyed Joy the process. It's very strange Right and so it's because they got some sort of jealousy thing of couples to right? Yeah, that's a theory That is a theory that people have. Because again, we don't know who it is, so people have had theories and that is sort of linked

to a few other theories. Hey, if I've done these murders, to make people think I hadn't done it, what I do is I report on it on a podcast and play a little dumb. Would you? Yeah, I would do that, yes. Hmm, just saying.

He also doesn't think all serial killers are that psycho Different levels of psychosis, which makes me sound quite clever, but I don't really know what I'm saying Matt we're gonna die pretty clear Dave you don't know what you're saying there are other people in the studio today, right? Yeah, but we'll just be very nice Shit studio today right? Yeah but we'll just be very not. Oh no shit. Anyway! What can I just ask? What's that question? There are other people in the studio right because I might kill you or because you're thinking of killing me and thinking of their witnesses. No it was more like if I scream is somebody can come running. Alright cool. I thought my thinking is quite a big man. I took it more. I can eat brain punishment down in your face.

Do you think he would? Yeah, definitely. Do you think he'd protect me? Of course. Save your bloody hell. How many people do you think I... Just you don't think I could beat... I mean, he would not be able to beat me in a fist fight.

I don't think I could beat anyone. No, I reckon you could take a toast. But I mean if you are a... If you are like an infamous serial killer, maybe you got skills. Yeah, we know, I'd want you to think I wasn't good. I'd want you to think you're weed in, we couldn't take you, I could take you in a fight easily. I also did type 1, 0 for 3 years. So, anyway.

Yeah, Jess would beat the shit out of you, day. I'd beat the shit out of both of you. At the same time. Or I would beat the shit out of Matt. Just because he's too nice and wouldn't hurt me But I am not nice. Yeah, Matt. You could be one punch away from death and used to be like all right I'm not gonna do it. Come on. Come on. Come on. All right, mate. Good stuff. All right. All right. Can we just get along? Yeah, that would be you captain nice go over here Anyway, so they've been stabbed right?

Repeatedly repeatedly at stabbed right? Repeatedly. Repeatedly. At 7.40pm the killer called the Napa County Sheriff's Office from a pay phone to report this latest crime. The phone was found still off the hook minutes later at the Napa car wash on Main Street. Only a few blocks from the Sheriff's Office. Yet about 27 miles from the crime scene. So he'd sort of like fled, travelled a bit, called him, was like, hey, just so you know, did a little murder. Right, bye. Direct quote. Now they were able to, yeah, direct quote, they were able to lift, um, Palm print from the telephone, but they were never

able to match it to any suspect. See, you'd have to work a lot harder these days to see real killer because the payphone per right? Right, this is my ratio. So you'd have to like drive a long way to find the payphone. I have no idea where my nearest payphone is. I don't know, I'm assuming they'd probably want to on the street.

You don't need them anymore. That's why people have burn-a-fones. Burn-a-fones are like your payphones. You just people, these kind of girls would just have a big bag of burn as a reckon. Sure. But how do you buy burn-a-fones? Supermarkets. Ah, okay, cash.

Yeah, cash. I'm trying to say that. In Australia, when you buy even a SIM card at the supermarket, I had to fill out a form. Did you? What's going on with these? I bought a travel SIM, I had to fill out a form. Did you? What's going on with these? I bought a travel simulator, fill out a form, and declare how many... No, that's right, I bought a Vodafone sim because it was $2 or something. And I had to sign the thing saying, I don't have multiple phones.

What? Like, you know, not like 10 plus times. Did they check your ID though? I think something I had to write down my license number. So, get a fake ID first, that's what I'd say. I bought a sim and easy and a couple months ago There was just sort of news agency. Yeah, I just went to the first like you know I have one of those and they gave it to me and it was too easy. Yeah when I was in the UK

I've just bought Went up to the first news agent in the airport and said hello Sim please and they said you got a funny accent. I said I'm from Australia and they said oh you that's interesting my cousin lives in Australia. You know I was there Darren I said no there's fucking heaps of us so you can There's like ten darrens. I know which Darren like Darren Simpson is gonna go brown hair glasses And I said that's funny. I actually do know Darren I used to work with him. It's a lovely guy had brunch with him with a tennis club just last week That's just a coincidence. Yeah, I know I know I did the other

He mentioned he was having brunch with just but it's the tennis club. I think I listened to your podcast and then he we are So hello to Gary if he's listening. Hi Gary. I don't know what just happened. I'm sorry a black down I got too far in the rift You got lost in a rift deep riff Anyway, yeah, which talking about payphones. Why? Because they had to come by. They had to come by.

I feel sorry for the modern serial killer. I know. It is fine. I admit that. He admits he feels sorry for serial killers. The modern serial killer. Not this guy. He had plenty of payphones.

So it's like one of every bloody gas station in California. Maybe the closest one was 27 miles away. Did he walk there? Did he have a car? I don't know, Dave. I'm not the zodiac killer. Sorry, but I thought you'd be- You can have that car, right? I thought he killed him. He did take that car.

No, but he rode on their car and then- Oh, yeah. I'm assuming left, because it'd be weird to ride on their car and then drive it around. It's such a weird, so he's a guy. He's there and basically the sack on his head. That's the old man to put down glasses. Yeah, and a bib.

Not bib. Doing a little murder and then going about his day. And his story was all made up. It could have been it. Why do you have to make up a story? You don't have to make up a story. It's like, I like killing. Maybe it was just so it was an easy to approach them.

But then he told him he was an escaped convict. And he swear it was a puddle. That is what he's trying to give himself. It's OK. I'm an escaped convict. My name is Jeff. I have a delmation. Great.

We had a backstory. We had a report. This is good. I have a delmation. Now that these people survived, they'll tell the cops and they'll come looking for Jeff with a Delma, should it escape from prison? And I'm Darren Brown from Melbourne, Australia. If I don't, yeah, if I don't do this thing successfully, which I definitely should,

because it's killing two people who are going to be tied up. You know what, it's like in the middle of the day too. But, can't even actually, there often later night when you're making out and they're like, do you know how many times this is a total overshare? Do you know how many times I've parked a car in a park and made out in the car? No, how many times? Oh, what? Really? As a teenage, as a teenager.

Now, I have a home that can make out in, but you know. Oh, really? Yeah, I'm a living. Daytime though? No, nighttime. Yeah, nighttime. Nighttime. And like, other cars in Park Nioh was fucking terrifying now Daytime, though? No, not time. Yeah, not time. Not time. And like, other cars would park near you, it was fucking terrifying now.

So, were you terrified of the time? Yes. Oh. So, you knew you had a bad feeling. People might have been dogging you. Dogging? Is that the thing where people watch? Watch people making out in car park?

Probably. Dogging. Sounds like it would mean something else. I'm not going to put my life on that Meaning that's what it means now anyway should be called Dave what should it be called? Car parking car parking now that would be a confusion That little clicks into the majority of people.

Oh thanks, I'm ordinary, great, thanks Matt. I know, I was trying to say... Nothing special about me, old real J. Everybody does what just I was saying it was just it's weird that Dave hasn't Parked somewhere and made out with someone. Oh, I still do that Well, they want the fuck you talking about just Just thought I was alone. I don't open up all that often. Yeah, I was just saying it was great to Tell us more. No, I'm done I do mean that the report should have been courage not discouraged, right?

I mean I don't know I'm he didn't hear about Seer kills not Jess's buddy making out in the car No Geistic oh I'm not going to get my car. I'm going to tie it off. I'm going to stab it. Stab the car. Are you going to go down with your clip-ons? I'm going to write some coordinates of this studio and this date. When I first heard about the car, I draw the little mason ball, which is We're gonna stay All over Wow Vultible times and I'm gonna be wearing a hood and Ray bands. Oh right now. You're gonna take it up

No, but cool. I'm on modern. Yeah, that's right. Only cool people wear Ray bands. Anyway, so He's made the call now after a man and his son were fishing nearby and heard the screams of I've already forgotten those who have been talking so long Cecilia and Brian And so they went and found them and they contacted park rangers and they got the police Um, did they get an ambulance? Yes Um, Cecilia Shepherd was conscious when the police arrived and she provided him with a fairly detailed description of the attacker. Who it glasses bib. Oh, and they're like, the city escape from prison, thank you. Very good. Brian and Cecilia were taken to the Queen of the Valley Hospital in Napa, by ambulance. Yes, there was an ambulance. Cecilia, she lapsed into a coma during transport

to hospital and never regained consciousness. She died.. Cecilia, she lapsed into a coma during transport to hospital and never regained consciousness. Oh my God. That's amazing that she was able to describe anyone then. I know, because she was conscious and she was able to talk. She died two days later, but Brian survived to recount his tale to the press. So then now he's lived a couple of survivors, which means that like, they're getting a better idea of what he looks like and how he operates.

I suppose, but not really. He's obviously not very good Well, he's actually probably the best because they still don't know who he is Yes, he's good at hiding his tracks, but not good at following through on the killing Yeah Good call Hey, we've all got to work on something we'll do we've all got stuff to So the man mainly survived are the women? There's so much more. Two men.

Two men have survived. Out of the couples. Maybe only after the lady slaves, so he's not fully killing the man. Possible. Maybe. Where's Stabs? Where's Stabs in the lady?

What? Oh, no, no. Let's for John. I mean, let's do go for John. Two weeks later on October 11, 1969, a passenger entered the cab driven by Paul Stein at the intersection of two roads. I don't know why I have to read the roads. No, I can't read the roads. No, I can't read the roads. You don't know where they are.

Please. And he asked me to take into two other roads. Where, where is he going, Jess? I need to work in his house. Washington and Maple Street. People are playing along at home via Google Maps. It isn't even Sam Fran. He was in the intersection of Mason and the Geary Streets. One block west from Union Square. Tweety, and if you actually know what that is. And if you can picture it, don't Google it.

If you can picture that in your mind, we won't hear from you. And he asked to be taken to Washington and Maple Streets in Presidio Heights. Okay? All right, everybody. Thank you. Sam Fran. Now for reasons unknown, Stein drove one block past Maple to Cherry Street. The passengers then shot Stein once in the head. I said one block back. Oh, the nine millimeter. Took his wallet and car keys and tore away a section of his bloodstained shirt. So he's, I don't know why. Now this passenger was

observed by three teenagers across the street and it was 9.55 pm and they called the police while the crime was happening. Like they called them and they were like this is happening, oh my god. They observed the man wiping the cab down before walking away towards the Presidio, one block to the north. So two blocks from the crime scene, I suppose, was a Don Fork, responded to the call, observed a white man walking along the sidewalk and stepping onto a stairway, leading up to the front yard of one of the homes. Sorry, five ten seconds, you just saw this person. But the radio dispatcher had alerted to be on the lookout

for a black suspect, so they drove past him without stopping. Fuck. They had a mix-up said the suspect is black. But he wasn't. So they saw a white guy. Was he ever black? The witnesses said. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't have a transcript of their conversation.

So we don't know who's at fault, really, Dave, to be honest. Well, I hope someone was five. Oh, I was definitely fired. So they just kept going, because they're like, that's not him. Now, the three teen witnesses worked with the police out hours to prepare a composite sketch of statues. Maybe they were American cops, maybe they just assumed. Probably. Flash that would just cops. Yeah so that sucks. And so these teenagers who saw it which is awful, I'm working with police to like get an idea of what he looks like. Apparently the San Francisco Police Department investigated an estimated

2500 suspects over a period of many years. 2500? 2500 suspects. Is that insane? So that was in, none of them wipe. That was that was the 11th of October, on the 14th of October, the Chronicle received another letter from the Zodiac. This time containing a swatch of Paul Stein's shirt tail as proof that he was the 11th of October, on the 14th of October, the Chronicle received another letter from the zodiac. This time containing a swatch of Paul Stein's shirt tail as proof that he was the killer. That's why he took it.

Yeah, it also included a threat about killing school children or school bus. And to do this, he wrote, just shoot out the front tire and then pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out. Which is weird. I mean, that kind of slaves the kid's gonna be in his weird paradise. Yeah. It's doesn't make any sense. But these are just slaves. So these messages written... Oh child's letter, yeah.

Just straight up. Or they, these aren't coded. These aren't coded, these are just letters. Just rambling. Yeah. At 2pm on October 20th, so another few days later. So I'm claiming to be the zodiac called Oakland PD demanding that one of two prominent lawyers, either F. Lee Bailey or Melvin Belly, again, fantastic names, appear on the local television show A.M. San Francisco. Belly wasn't available, but Belly did appear on the show and... Sorry, I'm unavailable. Yeah, oh sorry, I'm in Baba Doss.

Oh, we could call you. I'm sorry, I prefer not. It's gonna stop some school kids from getting shot. No. Look, I'm very busy. The line's breaking up. Another peanut collard, please. Sorry, I gotta go.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It's having a good time on his holiday. So the host of the show appealed to viewers to keep the lines open and eventually someone claimed to be the zodiac killer. Does that just mean don't call him? Yeah, I'm guessing that's what he meant. Please don't call him. And then someone claiming to be the zodiac called several times and said his name was Sam.

Oh, you're probably here recording of that then. Maybe. Why do those voice sounds like? Belly agreed to meet with him, but the suspect never showed up. Ooh, so this lawyer, he's like I want to, I want you to put either of these two prominent lawyers on a TV show. But you just want some free advice. It's so weird. It's so strange. What are my chances of getting off on this? I don't know Sam. Now it would have been more like

my neighbours bush back in the backyards over growing up my fence. What am I right? Am I able to, can I just trim it? What on my side? Should they have to pay for depreciation of my trimmers, you know? What kind of, what's meet-up and talk? Yeah, let's chat. So that was, that was sort of the end of October on November 8. Zodiac mailed a card with another cryptogram consisting of 340 characters. The characters, this cipher or the cryptogram has never been decoded. Nureaus possible solutions have been suggested

but none have claimed, like, have none have been proven to be definitive. Right. So they've never cracked it. It's just so weird. So the first one could be cracked by like just two average people. We don't know though, average they could have been rocket scientists. Dave. But like there's people that dedicate their lives to codes. Do you know what I mean? Like their professors of that kind of thing. They couldn't get it. They can't work it out. Just like cheering. Like um angels and demons cheering cheering. Oh Alan cheering. Alan, she ain't. Angels and demons. You talking about um and Tom Hanks. Oh Alan cheering. Alan. Angels and demons you talk about um and Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks.

Davinci code. Fuck there we go. Jesus the more famous about the Mason. Yes, Professor Langdon. Anyway. Get him on the case. Get him on the case. Um on November 9th the next day, Zodiac mailed a seven-page letter stating that two policemen stopped and actually spoke to him three minutes after he shot Stein. So after we... It's a taxi driver. It's a taxi driver.

So he was walking on the street and police stopped him and talked to him. Oh, so did they... This is what I do if I was the police check. Everyone together would be like, who would you speak to in three minutes after the crime? Yeah, but they probably wouldn't have taken down names. Like, were you just chatting to somebody? You don't have to... Yeah, but yeah, maybe you can remember it. This reminds me on my way to work today. Oh no. I walked past a building as a cop walked out and I was like, whatever, like, I kept walking and then I was like, where's her other cop? And the other cop was behind her,

like, taking a guy, he was, he had like, cuffs on and they were like, escorting him to, and I was like, walking next to them. And so, I was like, do on and they were like a squad of them and I was like walking next to them and I was like, do I hang back? What do I do here? And why is the partner ahead of him? Well, she was sort of walking ahead. She'd plow on the path. Yeah, she was, yeah, she was gonna make a clearing

a path and getting to the Divi van to open the bath. And the criminal behind as swung his hands around is choked her partner to death with his cuffs. Yeah, let him out. And then he comes for her. She's still clear in a path. Yeah. She does.

She will not turn around for any reason. Meanwhile, I saw the whole thing. Very confronting. What's the protocol here? Do I stand out of the criminals' way? Well, they're on a murderous rampage or a moment to walk ahead. I mean, I've only got five more minutes to get to work. I am really pushing it today.

I've already used the MetaRex Qs before. Yeah, they won't believe me. They are not onto it. I'm thinking about this. You know how he's this topic. Yes. I've been thinking about this today. Good.

Well, she's still all we've been talking. Mainly, yeah. Oh, that's good. So he's collecting slaves to the afterlife. Make sense he's got drive a now right? Taxi driver taxi driver the kids. So he's gonna show for sort of What I mean what were the other ones he's collecting? I don't know if he's thinking like that right Because if maybe if I was the cops I'd be keeping a close eye on butlers bartenders

Shifts chefs maids. Yes. People with healthy skills. Maybe a nurse, doctors, help, help, help, help. Help, help, help, help, help, help, help, that's probably one of the cutest things you've ever said, with healthy skills.

Help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, help, said with healthy skills. How about podcasters? No, we are fine. We are so fine. You want to not come for us. No, end of time. No, but you don't need it. Knowledge. You wouldn't go to a podcaster though, for that would you?

That's very important. Go someone entertaining. Yeah, that's true. You go to an entertainment. You go to an musician. A decent comedian. Maybe that's what. Maybe that's what some of those kids were.

Maybe they were throwing a band or something. Child prodigies. Hmm. Yeah, probably. Could be. I probably am. So, that was November of 1969. And then there was like a few months of, maybe he was on holiday.

There's some of them. Yeah, he, no, it's not summer there, it's winter. He doesn't like to operate in winter. It's summer for us. Oh, okay. The winter of love. It's time to explain seasons to you. So up there, they're like, it's all up to turn.

It's up to turn. Yeah, yeah. They have a white Christmas. It's cold at Christmas there. That is weird. Isn't that weird? I'd love to be over in the snow right now. Yeah, it's very hot in here.

We play cricket in the backyard and it's hot. They don't play cricket in December. Not at Christmas. No. Whatever, what is it it January? What a world anyway So, do they play cricket probably never? August I guess what a funny what a funny place

August if at all Yeah, I guess we play baseball here. I'm sure there's probably you are thinking of places in the North hemisphere as being just America. It's all it is Hmm, although we were talking about America. We're in this case. We're talking about America very good point other parts of the Northern hemisphere IE Europe Would play cricket during their summer So yeah July Augustish around there. Thank you and thanks for feeling these questions. That's seasons. So March of 1970, March 22nd, Kathleen Johns was driving from S.N.

See that's a pretty average name. Oh yeah I guess I never noticed the ones that are born. Kathleen Johns. It's still a nice, a solid name but it's not, it's not, doesn't sound amazing. It doesn't sound amazing. I believe her. Kathleen John. She was driving from San Bernardino to Petaluma. Definitely said those wrong, sorry guys, to visit her mother.

And she was seven months pregnant and had her 10 month old daughter beside her. Relax. While hitting West on Highway 132, a car behind her began honking its horn and flashing its headlights. And she pulled off the road and stopped and the man in the car parked behind her approached her car and said he'd observed that her right, her right, rear wheel was wobbling and offered to tighten up the lugs for her. And she was like, oh my god, thank you. So after we finished, he drove off. Oh my god. He's like, see ya. Thank god. He's like, see ya. Thank God. Yeah, when John's pulled forward to re-enter the highway, the wheel almost immediately came off the car.

So he's like loosened instead of the loose. Right, and it's lefty loosey, righty, time. We all know that, so. And then he returned. He almost did a really nice thing. I almost was ready to get back on board. How you side with relief? Did you just say he returned? Oh, he comes back. Oh no. It was all part of some sort of plan. I thought it was going to be good. He comes back. It wasn't an innocent mistake. He officer drive out of the nearest gas station so she can get help. Didn't you say like what the fuck mate? You just I was driving perfectly fine. No you know. He would just sit at company like are you wheels? I mean I think I hope this does the job but anyway all the best and then a car wheels come off. He's like oh I told you your wheels fucked what do you guys ever pull over

if someone's honking and I'm flashing behind you all right I don't like the idea we did it in a very similar situation situation out in the out in the middle of nowhere south island of New Zealand a couple months ago someone was flashing their lights behind us and I knew why so I kind of I was like that they kept because you were drink driving it was because I was yeah I was blind drunk and and my head was out the window and and you're like woo and I was naked and you're looking the wrong way and I was throwing and all the bottles of beer out the window. Into their windshield. Into their windshield.

It was a horse. It was a horse. Your naked, backwards naked on a horse. Out the window. So I mean, I had an inkling. I'm out the horse window. Baby, I bet I know what this is about. So you pulled the horse out of it.

So you said, well there. Oh my God, we're on the out, but I know what's wrong. But yeah, there was one of the hubcaps was slightly loose and I knew this because I was following that car earlier in the day. So I could see that it looked like the wheel was wobbly and I'd forgotten to put the hubcaps back. So they pulled up to say your back wheel's looking wobbly but it was just the hub and I'd forgotten to put the hub cap back so they pulled up to say your back wheels looking wobbly yeah it's just the hub cap thank you very much but they offered a tight knit but it was a

very similar scenario and they didn't murder me but they did they did wish me a really really good trip. Oh, that's nice. God, Kiwi's a lovely. Anyway, well, I'm glad you're alive. I don't think I would ever pull over. But why? No way.

My instinct was to tell us that. I'm like, I'm like, a serviceman or a town, no fucking way. I'm too trusting. I guess this is out in the middle of the country road. If I'm in the middle of nowhere and someone's hulking a beeping, I'm gonna keep cruising until we hit somewhere. So, that's witnesses.

This, this. I'm a very suspicious person. I guess that makes sense I'm thinking like just normal roads. I probably yeah, this road always on was in the middle of the bush Jesus, oh well like in the middle of the mountain sort of in this area. I'd panic, but I wouldn't pull ever Yeah, it's interesting. I'd rather the wheel fall off than them kill me. I'm just saying I'm just saying certainly into the future I'm gonna have a I think maybe a couple times about it. Because of this podcast? Yeah, totally. Just to save your life, Matt. Yay! I just apologize, but now I'm not sorry. Anyway. Okay, so he's come back and off to the drug. So I'll take you to a guest station. She says that'd be great thanks.

With the kids? So they get in the car? With a 10 month old. No, she left the 10 month old back at the car. Look! Yes, she took the fucking ten month old day well someone what you're leaving you're leaving the fucking happy no well knowing that he is the zodiac it's probably is I would leave the kid in the car leave the kid in the car with windows up yeah monster what she's gonna get warm and maybe yeah and leave the kid with the you'd know you wouldn't go with him at all. Fair enough. That's probably the choice you'd make. Jesus, will you, thank God you can never be a mother.

Yeah, I wonder, so this is in the middle of nowhere. I don't know if that's gonna help her particularly. I think either way, he's gonna probably take it down. Does he know she's pregnant? She's seven months pregnant, it's probably pretty obvious. So Dave's worried about the 10 month old. What about the 7 month old I'm sorry. I don't like that in the car. Well, can't she? Well, hang on. I mean, you're telling us to remember.

Let me give birth prematurely. I'll leave the baby in the car. So he can look after the 10 month old. Yes. No, the other way around. The 10 month old looks after the baby. I know that was the joke you're fuckhead. You're not leaving either of the child's. Well, I'm not an idiot. I wouldn't pull over. Hot and I'm getting grumpy. Sorry Dave, sorry Dave, I'm sorry. Hey, I'm a bit offended. Sorry for calling you a fuckhead, but also come on mate. Can we, I need to find out that these guys are all right. So I think I might be padding because I don't want to know if they get killed.

During the ride, the car passed several service stations, but the man did not stop. For about 90 minutes he drove back and forth around roadblocks. I'm sorry, around back roads. What, how do we know this stuff? Exactly. When John's asked why he wasn't stopping, he'd changed the subject. When the driver finally stopped at an intersection.

Oh, that's a great sunset. What's over there? What's over there? Why aren't you stopping? How old is your kid? I already answered that three times. How I've forgotten I've got dementia Well when the final driver finally stopped at an intersection John's jumped out with her daughter and hid in a field The driver searched for her using his flashlight telling her that he wouldn't hurt her before eventually he gave up I'm able to find her he got back in the car and drove off.

John's then hitched her out to the police station in Patterson. When she gave her statement... Cutting another strange thing. When I was gonna say, how long do you wait before you go out and wave down a car? I'd be like, this freak is still around. Yeah, what if it was his car? So firstly, like, he drives off and then he comes back.

I'd be like, that's weird. But maybe you don't think you don't be Feel sorry. Well, maybe if he'd only just sort of pulled off and maybe could have seen her in the real Dero something that would make sense. Yeah, but you're right. If he's already gone and then she's I know that's really fucking weird. What are you guys saying? I miss like the fact that he helped her with the wheel drove off and then came back That seems weird. Oh, yeah, how does he know? Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. If he was, if he'd only just left and she'd be out as well, I'm sorry, I'm with you completely yet. Where did you

go in those, in those, in that minute? I was thinking about how long I'd hide in the field before I wave down again. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'd probably think about at least 10 hours. I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd not, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd think I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd,. Yeah, I'd wait to, was it darker this time? Probably. I'd wait till the light. If it, unless you're in a sack on his head, then it's, yeah, 10 month old makes it difficult.

That makes it hard. It's a tiny little kid. You gotta feed it. You gotta keep it quiet, too. You gotta feed it. Well, if it cries out, he might find it. That's probably the easiest bit. Feeding it.

Drinking, oh yeah. It's 10 months old. She's got food on her. To be unfamiliar. Then it's tricky. Trying to measure out those little bits of powder. Anyway, so she makes it to a police station. She gives a statement to the sergeant on duty. And while she's doing that, she notice the police composite sketch of Paul Stein's killer

and recognized him as a man who had abducted her and her child. What? Same dude. But isn't this everywhere in the news? Watch out for this man. He's the Zodiacula. When a car was founded, it'd been gutted and torched. So like they'd gone back to where her car should have been. So he went back and torched it. Whoa. That's a bold move. Which again, then I guess then means that he would have like, backtracked, so he could have definitely driven pastor again the way she was, ooh, now I'm creeping myself out, ooh, creepy, no thank you. That's why you wait 10 hours.

You gotta wait 10 hours. I reckon she must've waited quite a while, because yeah, or was very lucky. I guess she was lucky. He might also, so I'm lucky. Depends on how long he looks for her because he might panic,

because it looks a bit weird if someone's on the side of the road like we were taught. Yeah, that's true. And your pictures up around, It's been the longest look for her because he might panic because it looks a bit weird if someone's on the side of the road like with the torch. That's true. And your pictures up around police stations. And you possibly have a gun or whatever as well. So they know what he looks like. Yeah, well they've got an idea of what he looks like.

There's, oh, witnesses. It's like you're crazy that you know, I thought you were since no one's been like, Oh, looks a bit like a mom cool and then you're actually. It's funny that you say nobody's done that, David. Oh, actually, well, with these things as we always find. It's like GB Cooper. People always come out and be like, now it's definitely my dad.

My dad is GB Cooper. Exactly right. I feel a lot prouder about that one and this one. So, someone on the email actually emailed him saying that they think their dad is GB Cooper and then they wrote, but that's a story for another time. Oh, no, no, that's a story for right now. Did you reply and say, He's my number.

Yeah. Call me right now. It's the DB Cooper hotline. Where are you? We will fly you to Melbourne. Come here. We don't have that money. Petrona.com.

I'm going to say from Danny normal. Yeah, then we could forget him here. So on October 27, 1970, Chronicle reported Paul Avery, who had been covering the Zodiac case, received a Halloween card signed with a letter Z, Z, Americans, you get it. Translation. Z, we say Z. Wait, slow down, Bob. Why do we say it anyway? No, we need to say it anytime.

Because that's what it was originally, I believe. Great, Z, Z. So I'm going to go with the letter Z and there's Odex Cross Circle symbol. And handwritten on the card was the note. Oh, you know, I love this. Peekaboo, you are doomed. Oh, wow. How fucking creepy is that? You definitely look behind you when you open that. Yeah, and he's just there. Hello. Hey, sorry about the funny card. Just I've

been asking everywhere, but there's a hedge and it's really growing over my yard now. So I had to bring it up in this way, but I just am not getting answers. Also, happy Halloween, I suppose. If you wrote it in the local paper then maybe you know the council would act on it. Yeah. I hate negative press. You know that. You know as well as anyway. You are doomed. You are doomed. It was taken pretty seriously and received it.

They put it on the front page. I'm sure you would take it pretty seriously. But I'm assuming it was either sent to the Chronicle office or like his home. It's even creepier if it's to his home. Oh, because he knows his address. Yeah. Anyway, so they put he's a dress. Yeah. Anyway, so they put the letter on the front page of the Chronicle of the newspaper.

And soon after receiving this letter, Avery also received an anonymous letter alerting him to the similarities between the zodiacs activity and the unsolved murder of Sherry Joe Bates, which had occurred four years earlier, the city college in Riverside, more than 400 miles south of San Francisco. He reported his findings in the Chronicle on November 16, 1970, but again, they're not really sure. But that attack, this is what happened to Sherry

Joe, another fantastic name. So four years earlier in 1966, 18-year-old Sherry Joe Bates was a student at Riverside Community College College and she spent the evening at the campus library until it closed at 9pm and neighbours reported hearing a scream about 10.30pm. She was found dead the next morning, short distance from the library. Between two abandoned houses that were set to be demolished for campus renovations, so she's just like in this empty sort of space. The wires in her Volkswagen distributor cap had been pulled out. Dave, you drive the Volkswagen mate? Oh, my distributor cap is fine. For now. I believe. She was brutally beaten and stabbed to death and a man's time ex-watch with a torn wristband was found nearby. The

watch had stopped at 1224, but police believed the attacker cared much earlier. And then a month later on in November of 1966, nearly identical typrin letters were mailed to the Riverside Police and the Riverside Press Enterprise titled The Confession, and the author claimed responsibility for her murder, provided details of the crime that were not released to the public, and he also, the author also warned that Bates is not the first and she will not be the last. On 13th of March 1971, five months after Avery's article linking the zodiac to the Riverside murder, the zodiac mailed a letter to the LA Times, and in the letter he credited the police instead of Avery for discovering his Riverside activity, but they are only finding the easy ones. There are hell of a lot more down there. So he did claim it.

Right, but he said there's more. There's more. Creepy. But maybe you would say that wouldn't you? Yeah, you'd be like, yeah, I'll do it, but who knows? But still, even though he's sort of claimed it it the connection between Sherry, Joe Bates and the whole area and the zodiac kind of remain uncertain there isn't a lot of he could have just been like we're saying he could be like yeah that was me yep take the word of a madman he's yeah it sounds like sometimes you just sort of fucking with him right? Yeah it does certainly feel like it also would help

put them off the sand if if you're if they're closing in if they think they are And they're like then trying to draw Conclude like they might be ruling people in and out suspects because they weren't They couldn't have done certain murders, but he didn't do them. You know, I just oh boy It's very hot in here. It is very hot in here Oh boy, it's very hot in here. It is very hot in here. A little while later a postcard was sent to the Chronicle address to Paul Averley. Did he have a toep print on it? Yeah, a toep print. Paul Averley, not his name, it's Avery, but he's sent it to Averley. They believed it was from the Zodiac and it appeared to claim responsibility for the disappearance of a woman called Donna Lass that had happened the previous September, so in 1970.

She was a nurse at the Sahara Tahoe Hotel in Casino and she worked until about 2 a.m. on September 6. Later that same day, both Lass's employer and her landlord received phone calls from an unknown male, falsely claiming Lass lasted left town due to a family emergency. She was never found. Oh, but they think that the zodiac claimed it. Yeah, well he sort of, yeah, he claimed, or well, a letter arrived, they think it's from the zodiac and it was claiming responsibility for this disappearance.

Apparently they found a grave site, but all that was actually found in there was a pair of sunglasses. There's no evidence. They still don't know what happened to done the last. And he was like me. It's so creepy. I made those Raybans wrist in peace. May they. You wonder if it's like other people are going, I want to kill someone.

I'm going to do it in his- I'll just, yeah, I'll just, yeah, copycat him. And then they're like, I've got alibis for all the other ones. It wasn't me. It's a free murder. Maybe. Is that what they kind of thought you'd have? Yeah, Dave. I don't have that thought. So, um, I've never killed and I'll never kill again. What? That's my take on I'll kill before I'll kill again. I've never killed an own, never killed again. The Leo Times Herald story appeared on November 13th, 1972. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff Office Bill Baker, another good name, postulated that the murders of a young couple in northern Santa Barbara County

might have been the work of the Zodiac killer. Apparently on June 4th 1963, high school senior Robert Domingos and fiance Linda Edwards, not as good. Sunday and Spanish, Domingo. Domingo. They were shot down on the beach having skipped school that day for senior ditch day. Hang on's seniors and their fields they get engaged so you do it back there. So you're 60s is a different time. Now I can't get a bloody date. Here they are high school kids having a really field. When you bloody in the car making out as a teen you should have locked them down there.

So locked them down. So you should have proposed in that car. Damn it. In sweet valley high. Damn it! In Sweet Valley High. Damn it! Anyway, so police believed that the sailant attempted to bind the victims, but when they freed themselves in a temperature flea, the killers shot them repeatedly in the back and chest with a 22-calibre weapon.

The killer then placed their bodies in a small shack and tried unsuccessfully to burn it down, which again, he's never set fire to things before, he's always doing something different, which you know you've got to admire. You've got to admire any kind of art, which again, it's like he's never set fire to things before. He's always doing something different, which you know, you've got to admire. You've got to admire any kind of art, I suppose. It's trying. You're pushing new bands. Trying new things and pushing yourself

out of your comfort zone. That's where the best art of the band. Absolutely. I've always said that. That's where I learned it. This is the final zodiac letter. So the zodiac remained silent for nearly three years. Didn't hear anything from him. And then the Chronicle received a letter

from the zodiac post-Marked January 29, 1974, praising the exorcist as the best satirical comedy that I've ever seen. The letter included a snippet of verse from the Maccardo and an unusual symbol at the bottom that he'd, that has remained unexplained by researchers. And there's only a concluded letter with a new score, the lot of his letters he'd have a score, so he'd write his little symbol, equals and whatever number it was.

And then it would always say, SFPD. So San Francisco Police Department. So this, this final score was me. It was in sign off. Is that what you mean by score? What do you mean? What? Score like as in like a tally. Oh, sorry. A score of how many people is killed. Yeah. Sorry. It wasn't. I was thinking that you meant something else. When you immediately said score, you said a new score. I imagine that you meant a new cinema score He'd rewritten the music to the exorcist

He was a new soundtrack. I think you were fine to quite app of course you thought that Of course you went straight to cinema score and not any type of sporting score. Yeah, I was on the rub You wanna play that right? Yeah The exercise. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum And then you just write SFPD. He's just written out a little music. I'm sure that's been done on CSI or something, but like I'm a letter written like in musical music.

Yeah. Oh, Dracon. Oh, he's definitely got it. Probably. Anyway, he's concluded this final letter with me equals 37, SFPD equals zero. So he's claiming 37. 37.

He's claiming 37. But is that jumped out wildly from the last few letters? I think, well, I think so. But there's also a lot that we don't know about, or that aren't attributed to him. I think the last letter that I've sort of got here was like 13 or 14 people, and now it's jumped up to 37.

30, so he's using the SFPD of never killing someone. I think that is offensive. That's wildly wrong. I think in a way, look, I think you're right, but he probably also means like, I've killed 37 people, and you've caught 0x. So long. Yeah, I've written the music to 37 films,

and you haven't scored any. Yeah, idiots. Now suspects, like we were talking about. Great, I've already named a couple, Jess Perkins. No. Well, just her, really. A number of suspects have been named. There's a book called Zodiac and it suggested that Arthur Lee Allen was a suspect based on circumstantial evidence.

A letter sent to the Riverside Police Department was typed on a roller-typer with an elite type, the same brand found during a February 1991 search of Allen's residence. So you have the same typewriter. He owned and wore a zodiac brand wristwatch, and Allen lived in the area and worked minutes away from when one of the first victims, Farron, lived,

and we're one of the killings took place. He kind of lived in the area. Ooh, we're on to ya. That sounds pretty. Did he look like the people? Yeah, that's what I wanted. That's what I wanted. Yeah, I just thought he was never seen.

Well, this is all much laid up. While a living person. So, I feel like just get the lady with the kids. Yeah, a bunch of people have gotten away. Go figure him. Buh. Ha ha ha. And then tell us who did it.

Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Buh. David's so proud of that. He loved that. Sorry, uh, score me one, please. And this is all, yes.

Okay, I'll write you a song then, shall I? Thank you. Fucking idiot. This also happened later. Like that was in 91 when they searched his his residence and then in 2002 Also they actually so they took this seriously. Yeah kind of and then in 2002 they developed a partial DNA profile from the saliva on stamps and envelopes from the zodiacs letters And they compared this partial DNA to the DNA of Arthur Lee Allen, but They didn't really get much and then a DNA comparison was also made with the DNA of Arthur Lee Allen, but they didn't really get much. And then a DNA comparison was also made with the DNA of a guy called Don Cheney, who was Allen's

former close friend, and the first person to suggest Allen, maybe the zodiac killer. And since neither test resulted, neither test resulted indicated a match, Allen and Cheney were just sort of let go, and it can't be stated definitively the DNA from the zodiac matched anybody. So, is anyone ever positive the theory that it was more than one person? But those two were working together. I think so, yeah. So there's still, like, it's actually still kind of being looked into, which I find so

fascinating. So in April of 2004, their police department marked the cases inactive, citing case load pressure and resource demands, and they sort of effectively closed the case. However, they reopened their case sometime before March 2007. In 2007, a man named Dennis Corpman claimed that his stepfather, Jack Tarants, was the Zodiac. Jack Tarants, good name. Good name for a killer. Yeah. Corpman turned several items over to their FBI, including a hood similar to that worn by the Zodiac.

According to new sources, the DNA analysis conducted by the FBI on the islands was deemed inconclusive in 2010, so they got nothing. Bam. In 2009, a lawyer named Robert Tarbox, who, in August of 1975, was disbarred by the California Supreme Court for failure to pay some clients. So he's sort of like a dodgy lawyer. So that in 1972, a merchant Mariner walked into his office and confessed to him that he was the zodiac killer. The seemingly lucid seaman, whose name Tarbox would not reveal due to confidentiality? Describe his crimes briefly, but persuasively, enough to convince Tarbox that he was actually talking to the actual zodiac.

Great, but he won't name him. He won't name him. Still, still won't. Cheers mate, cheers, thanks for that. Yeah. That sounds like bullshit. So he never, he never turned up again, he never spoke to him again. So he's like, okay. But the only reason that he came forward with this information is to clear the

name of Arthur Lee Allen because at that time people were like oh it's Arthur Lee Allen's a zodiac and he was like no he's not I spoke to the zodiac in 1972 who was he then I won't tell okay okay maybe that means it's a little bit weird but you know the guy who wrote the book is Odeak or sorry Arthur Graysmith he wrote several books about Zodiac He said that the story was entirely plausible So who knows and then retired police hand writing expert like in a life dude Lloyd Cunningham I like this guy who he worked on the Zodiac case a lot And he added that they gave me banana boxes full of Alan's writing and none of his writing

even came close to the Zodiac, nor did DNA extracted from the envelopes. So they were just saying it's not this guy, Arthur Lee Alan. If he wrote his own letters. Hmm, who knows? Could have that a monkey banana boxes? Oh! How do you get banana boxes boxes? Hello. Very interesting. On February 19, 2011, America's most wanted featured a story about the zodiac killer,

and a picture has recently surfaced of known zodiac victim Darlene Farron, and a man who closely resembles the composite sketch, formed, which they've formed based on eyewitnesses descriptions. So they have a photo of Darlene and a guy who looks like the zodiacula and so they've sort of put that photo out there. So why's the photo of her helping catch him? Because he killed her. He's in the photo. He's in the photo. Oh, so he knew her. That's what this, that's what I think. Maybe. It's a guy who looks a bit like their composite picture. So maybe. Have you seen that photo? I haven't. I want to really see him.

I know. Well, we don't know. They still don't know. Police are still hoping someone can identify that further. So that never, that didn't pay off. That didn't pay off. They surely got a lot of calls, but nothing. Not as yet.

When was that murder? That wasn't in 2011. That wasn't at Lollueho. It's crazy. It's crazy, Dave. It's absolutely insane. Former California Highway Patrol Officer Lyndon Lafady, said the zodiac killer, was a 91-year-old man whom he called by the pseudonym

George Russell Tucker. Why would a pixel to a complicated pseudonym? This is so good to. Just call him Greg. Using a group of retired law enforcement officers called the mandama seven, Laffrey discovered Tucker and a cover-up for why he was not, like, pursued, or why he was investigated. But then Tucker died in February of 2012 and was not named because he was not considered

a suspect by a police. So who knows, maybe he got away. He was, that guy did think he was 91 at the time of the killings, right? Yeah, he was 91 at the time. Now 137. Is that true? He thought it was 91. No.

No, okay, go. In February of 2014, it was the last one. It was reported that a man named Louis Myers, such a good name, had confessed to a friend in 2001 that he was a zodiac killer after learning that he was dying from a cirrhosis of the liver. So he requested that his friend, Randy Kenny, go to the police upon his death. Myers don't in 2002 but Kenny allegedly had difficulties getting officers to cooperate and take his claim seriously.

So there are several potential connections between Myers and the zodiacula. So Myers attended the same school as victims David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen the first two. Went to the same school as that. Polyrosaurus. Polyrosaurus. He also allegedly worked in the same restaurant as victim Darlene Farron. He had access to the same sort of military boots whose prints were found at the lake Beria Sir crime scene. He had access to boots. He knew a store in the high street that sold them. He had access to boots.

Furthermore, during the 1971 to 1973 period where no zodiac letters were received, Myers was stationed overseas with the military. Kenny says that Myers confessed to targeted couples because he had a bad breakup with a girlfriend. While officers associated with the case is skeptical, they believe the story is credible Myers confessed to targeted couples because he had a bad breakup with a girlfriend. While officers associated with the case are skeptical, they believe the story is credible enough to investigate. It could.

But the same year, so that was February 2014 that it was all reported that Louis Myers had said this. In May of 2014, a book written by Gary Stewart was released, claiming his biological father, Irvan Best Jr. was the zodiac killer without any confirmed evidence. But you read a whole book on it, my father Irvan Best Jr. He could have done this. He could have done that. But he had access to books. He could have. He was not born in the year, but he could have been.

He could have done it. So basically we get to the end there with no solution. Are you telling me that a case that hasn't been cracked in over 40 years, 50 years? Hasn't been cracked by you and your report that you researched last night. How do you know is it last night mate? That one was, I've been working on that for weeks. I did last night. That was one of those moments. How did you know it was last night? We never released that information to the public. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH home alone. That's right circumstantial evidence. Yes very good. There's a payphone in my house. So there we go Jents, that is my report on the zodiac killer. Thank you very much Jess. I thank you to everyone that suggested that. I hope that we reported on it but still didn't answer any questions. I am so sorry if you listened to that at night but also. I'm sorry. You're one of the people you knew the rest. Yeah like you literally you saw the title. When I

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Classic Perkins Dave. Let's get out of here. It's so fucking hot. It is very hot Hopefully where you are you're in a cool temperate climate Which if you're anywhere near snow can you do us a favor and just run out and jump into it? God? I oh my God. Do it. Do it with a headband. We're basically doing podcasts in a sauna right now. Like it's a small room. It would genuinely be 45 degrees in here.

Celsius. Check it, is that right? Yeah, I reckon. No, not for a week. No, it was that hot. I found that there was a way we found out. Finally, there was a way. If I didn't have some sort of Uber thing

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