Two In The Think Tank - 65 - The Roswell Conspiracy

Episode Date: January 18, 2017

Dave reports on the most famous UFO incident of the 20th Century. But did aliens really crash land in the New Mexico desert? And did the US Government really try and cover it up? Whilst trying to answer these questions, Dave introduces a weird new character, Matt wants to party with a 'ufologist' named Stanton 'Fried-man' and Jess does not want to give a confession. Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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That's really sweet Dave and one of the first time you've gone to me first in quite a while so that is nice. I started thinking I became second banana. Wait a third. But you're third banana. Does that make you? Number one banana. Ethan Grapp is it number one banana number one banana number one banana number two banana number two banana number two banana that's good fun we have fun here do we have a good time uh just yes you well i'm hot i'm hot i hot. I've been whinging about it for a couple of weeks. I'm hot. Summer just seems to go for a three-month block. It's so weird, isn't

it? Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. Wait, you sing number two, I've been number three then. Number two banana. Number three banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. Number two banana. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Photoshop guns. Please make us bananas. Also, I mean, you've got your own lives and shit to do. So I'm sorry to keep giving you work You do whatever you want to do if you want to go for it if you don't totally fine. I get it. Oh, boy I'm very hot. It is still quite warm. I mean, I did request Matt to install it, just need to the podcast you do He told me what cost of multiple thousands Yeah, I think he didn't want to fork out for that., why would you not want to pay on our behalf, man? I just don't get it.

It's weird. It's so weird. He's so random. Don't you think he's so random? So random. He's so random. So random. Mate, you're so random.

I'm very random. What are you? So random. Excuse me? So random. Thank you. Love when he does those things. He's impression.

He was so. Fashion. Fashion. Fashion. Fashion. So random. You can always hear his teeth click in the middle like fashion. Fashion chips. Fashion.

Fashion chips. Fashion chips. High end, couture. Oh man. C-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c Sorry, that's funny. Hey Dave, why don't we just get straight into it? We know that your reports are the longest of anyone's. But this week, it's not a super long one, I will tell you that. So you've got any confessioners, you want to get out there? I don't want to get any confessions, I want to hear your questions.

Confessions? Yeah, come on, give us one confession each, quick one. All right, I'll confess something. You go first. My girlfriend tells me that I shouldn't wear shorts because I have two thin legs. You got two thin legs. Two thinner legs.

I mean. That's mean, it's hot. You can wear shorts. Thank you. That's not really a confession. But I've never told anyone that before though. But imagine if she turned around and were like, you can't wear shorts.

That feels a bit rough. That'd be fucked, you know? I look out where I'm anyway, I don't care. I'm a own man. Yeah, good boy. My own boy. I think thin legs are good good insured Thanks, thanks. Can I put you down as? I don't care if you got I mean I'm I don't care if you got tree trunk. Yeah, it's hot. Where some fucking shorts be comfy live your life

And yeah, your partner maybe be a bit more supportive of life. And yeah, your partner maybe be a bit more supportive of his tiny little legs. Oh my legs. Tiny legs more on a key. Thank you. Confession Jess. I can't think of a confession. You're going to make the number one of an hour go out on a whim. No, I don't want to throw you under the bus, but I can't think of anything. I'm a pretty open book. I think. Yeah. It's hard to confess when you when you're what I put on the spot. I I Know it's not good. I Was it too real I quite like oh no look all right. I really I don't like past nips Really yeah, I know people love roast past nips, but to me, I can't get over the fact

that it's like a pale carrot. I can't get over that. That's a weird reason. So I appreciate the confession. Because I don't, I don't eat it like it's its own thing. If I came to it and went like, here's a brand new vegetable, give it, give it your open mind.

Yeah. Maybe I would like it, but I cannot think of it as anything else, but an old weird pale carrot. Sure. There, look, would like it, but I cannot think of it as anything else, but an old weird pale carrot sure Yeah, look I said it. He said it. I'm an open book. Wow. Wow. There's there are some things you just can't take back Matt well Fuck Can you edit that bit out? I feel like I know you better What I'll do is I'll beep out when you say the word past imp so they won't know what you think.

I just can't get over the fact that it looks like a you know a pale carrot. What is he talking about? What is it? Oh, Jesse, you have anything yet? No. What about a little factor about yourself? A little fact. Fun fact. One for me is I've never seen a blue ray and I think I'm doing multiple for you. Well I'm trying to solve for you because you need some thinking. I can just has got an hour or so at the end we'll come back to it but for now let's get another question let's get another fucking show. Let's get another bloody show. Trying to swear it less. That a news resolution. You can't see good. You don't count bloodies swear.

Bloodies not a swear now. Okay. I wouldn't have thought bloodies are swear. No, bloodies are swear. I agree. Okay. And now I'm digging into the golden hats. Ooooo. Our first ever golden hats, so these person to sign up to, the Sydney Shindburg Deluxe Package via our Patreon, you pledge a certain amount, we have to do your topic no matter what. Our first ever person, it was Zach Steinbacher, and I don't know if you remember a couple of weeks ago when I did the Shakespeare one, we had to go to Shakespeare because Zach hadn't put something in, but he's taking his time, he's thought about what topic you want to start with. I like that Steinbacher.

So we've got it, Zach. Here's topic relates to this question. That is question. What was arguably the most famous UFO related event of the 20th century? Roswell. Roswell. Roswell. That was a two easy question. I couldn't name another one.

No, that was the Independence Day. Yeah, Independence Day. That was good. I liked that. Ailey and the Fifth Element. Ailey and Mrs. Predator. Buffy. Yep, from the hellhole. Hellmail.

The green children of wool pit. That's true. Definitely lots of tree. We've already covered that one. Oh yeah. We did our life's end of that. All right, well if I ask you another question, if you guys are so clever,

I am. What decade do you think this incident was? I am. 80s. No, I reckon, okay, I'm saying no like I know. But in my head, in my head it's like 50s. 50s. We're getting warmer.

David. Real close. 60s. For what is it is? Fuck. Fuck. Well, one just takes it real seriously. Is that your confession just that you are quite competitive?

I'm actually not. Are you not? No, I'm like not competitive at all. You're a good loser. Yeah Because I've done it my whole life That's that's sadder than the short thing with my legs like people get really competitive playing board games and I'm like no I'm not competitive at all. I used to be way like I used to be in competitive more than I am now I think I realized at some point that we're all gonna die and board certainly don't matter that much What about board game world championships? Oh, yeah, no true. They don't die I mean, that's the only thing they'll ever be to remember for so in a real way

They're the losers like that Chesco guy. Brutal. Brutal. He's in the hilltop hood song. Gary Casperov. That's the only famous one. There's a head like someone. Is it Casperov? Surely. No, it's someone else.

It's not worth it. Maybe a protégé. They're all protégés, aren't they? They're all bloody grandmasters. All right, so it was 1947, Roswell incident. 47, a good year. Roswell, what a classic.

Second one was long over, well, a couple of years over, possibly 18 months over, but that's behind us. What under the bridge? It's the bridge that existed, but it was bombed. It was gone. June 14, 1947. On that particular day, on a ranch 30 miles or 50 kilometers north of Roswell, New Mexico. New Mexico! It's a New Mexico! Mr. Bence, William Mack Brazos,

nickname Mack. Good. Who's a foreman on this ranch? Notice a cluster of debris. A clusterfuck of debris. Oh, it was a clusterfuck, I'm alright. I don't know about it. He and his son saw a, quote,

large area of bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tin foil, a rather tough paper and sticks. A rather tough paper, kind of like that waxy paper at the butches. Oh yeah, this rolls and rolls of butch paper. But it's also a dead cow. Oh. Bobby Fisher. Oh, and that Bobby Fisher.

That's why he went quite over there. Yeah, he shot the fuck up for his hair. I was meditating on it And googling and googling Meditating and googling on it. Probably Fisher. Yes, I do know the lyric you're talking about that great. Can Dave go on? Please Dave go on Dave go on Taking the show over you are here that first bit that I just said are you thinking about yeah new Mexico? Nice so this dude he's seen a bunch of stuff.

10 days later, on June 24, 1947, a private pilot, Kenneth Arnold, claimed that whilst flying, he saw a string of nine shiny, unidentified flying objects flying past Mount Radio over in Washington State. But he was just a private pilot, he kept to himself. He didn't tell anybody about it. He's not getting on the blower. He flies privately. He's like, hey, man, what's up? It's one few weekends.

He's like, ah, I'm just a step. Brother, I'm sorry to be honest. No, he's not worried. He's like, ah, this is a quiet one. Yeah. It's quiet one. Bits and bobs. Just errands.

What happened for dinner? Ah, not sure. Maybe whatever the, whatever the available. Yeah. I guess. What happened for dinner? Not sure. What if it's available? Yeah. Where'd you go up? I'm sure that he's a private pilot. Private pilot or a boring pilot? Bit of a colonnade, bit of a colonnade, private people.

He sees the string of nine shiny, unidentified flying objects flying past Mount Rainier in Washington State at speeds that he estimated at a minimum of 1200 miles or 1900 kilometers per hour. It's fast. So it was flying like way quicker than anything he expected and nine shiny things This was the first post-war sighting in the United States that garnered nationwide news coverage and is credited with being the first of the modern era of UFO sightings. Arnold's description of the objects also led the press to quickly coin the term flying saucer and flying disc as a popular descriptive turn of the US UFO. So that's where flying saucer comes from. He happened to refer to it as a bit like a saucer or a plate. And then that's

just took off. Flying saucer. It's funny that it's, yeah. It's weird, because it's a phrase that's like, no, that means that you don't think about it. It's talking about like a thing underneath a take-up. Yeah, flying in the air. That is weird, we just accept it. Because you've just heard it your whole life, like this, you know, 50, 40 years before your born.

Imagine, like, imagine years before Matt was born. In the 50s. Imagine trying to learn English Jesus God help you all Imagine if anyone you've used us as a learning tool. I reckon that would be a good idea They'd be saying Baba Doss and Sean we go through all the words Sashan Baba Doss Baba Doss After the after this siding over the next few, there were hundreds of reported sightings across the USA,

because you know, it took off in the newspapers on the radio or this kind of stuff. Even FBI director Jay Edgar Hoover, who is a very, very powerful man in the world at the time, asked to be kept in the loop on sightings. So he was like, is this real? Wow, it's real. Aliens were in the US conscience. Before that, a big example is the 1938 radio broadcast of HG Wells War of the Worlds. There was no rated and directed by acting directing

legend Orson Wells. The first two thirds of the 60 minute broadcast were presented as a newsboard and so there's no intro. I just went straight into it. And reportedly there was a big panic in many places where people thought aliens were actually taking over. However, Lady Critics had pointed out that the panic seems to have been exaggerated by many newspapers at the time, possibly seeking to discredit radio as a source of information. Don't trust that thing, nothing. Many thing aliens were real. Oh, trust us, print media. Yes, we're not a dying art form.

We'll be around forever. Yes, today, yes, tomorrow. But back in New Mexico, William Mac Brazel on the farm, he initially paid little attention to the scraps of objects I talked about before, but he returned on July the 4th with his son at 4th July. 4th July? Well, it was a family day with his his wife and daughter and son and they gathered up It's the next year and the son news paper Yeah, that's right. He's well, he doesn't trust radio. Have you heard about what these things do?

Should be I felt like I was the joke there with yesterday's news tomorrow I was sort of exaggerating and obviously there's people out there of feeling like, but it's yesterday's news today and I'm sorry to those people and I felt your frustration and I thought I'd just clean that. Oh my God, that was so not worth adding. I actually thought it was quite funny, Matt, but now you've done all the humor. Yeah, good run. So basically this family back on the ranch, they've gone back to the material, the crash stuff, and the next day, so they've taken some stuff and

taken it back to their house on the ranch, the next day, so they've taken some stuff and taken it back to their house on the ranch. The next day he heard about more reports about flying discs and wondered if what he'd picked up was in fact alien material. So he drove 30 miles to Sheriff George Wilcox in Roswell and reported what he had found. So. A sheriff. A sheriff!

I got me an alien box! I wanted to do the Southern accent too and I don I think they don't sound like that in New Mexico. I got me an alien box. Nailed it. No, I was a subtle difference. That was New Mexico the second. Where's New Mexico? It's above Texas. Max driven to Sheriff George Wilcox, and while he's there...

Wait, wait. Hey, hey, hey, Sheriff. Max driven to Sheriff George Wilcox and while he's there wait wait hey hey hey Sheriff I think someone's not gonna do I'm gonna go answer it how to partner okay what gonna be for you look like you got a box some now what you want to tell me why that is partner? Excuse me, why are you drinking moonshine out of a out of a clay jug? It's got three x's on it. I'm sure it's definitely you. So I think I'm going to get you.

You got a bullet hole through the tubby hat. Your sword weighs straw hat. I'll be asking a question thing for a month. First question, get talking. What do you got in that box, you sir? Box, what's in that box? What's in that box, dude. Fuck, what in that box? What in that box? Are you parroting me, sir?

To my... Need to arrest you? Do I have to remind me that... In fact, you can remember the Lars of Federal Bank. I don't really have to reach out to 1941. You had a shit. In fact, like, I think you best of me. I never the law, like,

vocally impersonating. Yeah. Yeah, it's me. To God, to ever say, you know how bold it is for us and I'm making a bet on it. I've been calling it by the people's here town.

That, come on. Sorry. The people at this town have reluctant me a ship, deputy sheriff. And I'm going to do my best about the Lord of my building. Tell me when you're in that box or your pocket hat, but I can't get out of here. That's right, I can get out of here. I never have to. No, he's the box. Thank you very much.

You're a great day now. No explanation. You just give it to my box of shit. I'm sorry. I was just really, really enjoying my voice. I loved that so much. I feel much, I'm a person anyway. Your face is the best.

You're like, this is the best. This is the kind of character head. Okay, I'm sorry that I interrupted you that please. So what has happened is, Mac Brazel has turned up with the stuff. He's shown it to George Wacolash and his sheriff. Sheriff. Whilst he's there or reported in Frank Joyce,

rang the sheriff to ask if there was any leads on stories that he should report on in the area that day. The sheriff said, you should talk to this guy, William Brazel, I think he's found something and he puts Brazel on. Max says, starts telling him the story, Joyce listens, but pretty much Fulpner mufflers a bit of a crackpot

because he's talking about, I found, you know, these UFO stories are going all over the place. Yeah, another one, okay, fair enough, whatever. Cool. Didn't think twice about the call. Two days later, however, Lieutenant Walt Hout, the public information officer for the 509th Atomic Bomb Group at Roswell Army Airfield, so he's just a public information. He's just pretty much the guy that, you know, he does PR for the Army base

pretty much. He appeared at Joyce's radio show, who's the guy that fobbed off the guy Mac, and handed him a press release. Joyce claimed that how it owed him a story after helping give another journalist in the area hot scoop on something else. That's why he went straight to the radio session, gave this thing. Joyce reads the media release and instantly knows it relates to the same story that William Brazill had told him days earlier. The press release, an official press release from the US Army, stated that personnel from the Fit 500 and 9th Operation Group had recovered a quote, flying disc, which had crashed on a ranch near Roswell.

The release was pretty vague, though, had no information other than a local couple that had seen a flying disc in the sky around at the same time. Joyce immediately gets on his radio show, broadcast the information, and news spread across the country, and then the world very quickly. And why wouldn't it, because to this day, that is the only time in the history of the US Army or US government where they stated officially that they'd found a flying saucer. Wow. Wow. To the whole world was like, oh my god, this is officially the army of said, this is amazing. Oh my god. Are the army then had to sort of kick, you know,

try and allay the panic a bit. So they flew the mystery material to Fort Worth, Texas, to a base where it was examined. And just hours later, the base commander came out held a press conference, and he said that it was in fact a weather balloon recovered. The press conference even featured debris, like foil, rubber, and wood that said to be from the crashed object, which matched the weather balloons. We showed what the weather balloon should look like, and then I and then was like look this is this bit, this is that bit the public accepted this explanation and overnight the world's biggest new story died out. Everyone moved on and it was no longer a topic of discussion. This continued on for more than 30 years

until the 1970s. That's why I thought 80s. the 1970s. That's why I thought 80s. Well, it's a big story from this point on. So no one's really thought about it for 30 years. Sure. We're about, apart from people that are really obsessed with UFOs, but it's had no more weight than any of the other ones, other sightings. But then in 1978, a UFO researcher named Stanton Friedman.

For, good name. Who's going to be able to see the looks of quite cookie? Oh, I bet he does. He's named Stanton. Friedman. Stanton Fried man. Fuck good name. Who to be honest he looks quite cookie. Oh, I bet he does. He's em' Stanton. Fried man. Stanton, what's he sound like? Well, um, Stanton, Stanton, front man. So he says like Matt. Oh, yeah, but a little bit more American than me. Well, I mean, I said quite American. He's just a little bit more American. 50% more American about American. I've always been told that's just a little bit more American. 50% more American about real. I've always been told that I've quite a strong Australian accent.

You do. But I don't know if that's bloody right? That's probably the... What do I know? That's the Ozeus member of the podcast, right? I mean, what does that mean? Yeah. Am I right, Jess?

What does that mean, though? You're the Ozeus... What does that mean? Sounding? Ozeus sounding... In terms of the old... Pissures. You loveie is sounding in terms of the old stereotype. Pissures. Yeah, the incentive to the old stereotype, of course.

Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. You're basically basically a foreigner in your own land, Jess, according to your date. You're probably the second most Australian Jess. I use the least Australian. Obviously. I'm the third most.

Interesting. I'm not the least. I'm the third most. Okay. Class are full. Well, a glass one third full. Well that's worse than a glass one third empty. It definitely is. My brain hurts. Well let me tell you about Stanton Friedman. Cool. Looks cookie. He's got glasses instead of curly. Oh my god he's so cookie. He's got glasses. What a cookie, he's so cookie. Oh, that's a real cookie. What a cookie. I wonder what he's up to.

I bet he gets up to really weird, weird activities with his bloody cookie glasses. What a cookie man. What a county, he can't see without his glasses. What an ax, oh, he's cookie. He's pretty cute. He's pretty cute. He's pretty cute.

That's a cookie man, that's a cookie. Look at Dave. It's also got a bed. Cookie, cookie, chew. Oh, there's pretty cute. He's pretty cute. It's also got a beard. Kukukuchu. There's a body walrus, there's a body egg man. Oh, okay. It looks great. I mean, that guy immediately. If you had a lineup of 10 people, one of them believes in your foes.

You'd pick him, right? If it was a lineup of 10 people who I want a party with, I'd definitely pick him. Yep. Let's hit up the club, Stantton! Stantton. Woo! Fried man, fried man. Let's get fried man.

That's his catchphrase. I didn't know. I've got his catchphrase. He's a retired nuclear physicist. He, in the 1970s, turned professional as a... Restla. Ha ha ha! Before briefly, before coming a uphologist.

Uphologist. I guess it's a term uphology, and it's uphology as a field of study has yet to be embraced by academia. There you go. But it's gotology in it. It's gotology. But it's got anology. What more do you need? Before he develops the catchphrase, let's get Friedman.

He used to refer to himself as the flying saucer physicist. Because of his degree in nuclear physics and work on nuclear projects, this name never really took off. Much like the flying saucers. Ah! Cop that Friedman. Friedman. Now, but still come over.

It's fried man. Chasing wine later, because I love it. It's one of those guys that you can party with. You just don't want to talk about work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which for him is ufoilage. You follow the classic rules with stomach, no religion, no politics, no ufos. No, and what's left?

No, that's a good book. Pop culture. How strong are your glasses? Me, please. Arm wrestling? Arm wrestling. He's a wrestler. Yeah, he would. That's kind of work though. But I mean, what a thrill to get beaten by the the fried man. By the nuclear physicist himself. What a non-er. For real on a. But I mean the flying source of physicist himself. That was what his wrestling name was as well.

Anyway, in 1978, Friedman, I'm sure it's Friedman, but Friedman is much more fun to say, was introduced to now retired Major Jesse Massell. Jesse! Jesse, that's a good name as a Jesse Massell. Jesse Massell is a great name. Don't ever think I trust a guy called Jesse Massell. Definitely not, but I like his name. I think you'd be fun to hang out with, but you wouldn't rely on any of your loved-

He'd be duplicitous. If I met the perfect man, but his name was Jesse. Oh, it's not a deal breaker. We're done. Because, oh, it's Jesse and Jesse. Jesse and Jesse. I didn't even think. I just thought you would be one. He could go, guys, his second name. I mean, you change your name to Bob by Deed Paul as well. That's true. Bob and Jesse's nice, actually. Yeah. You know, we actually. Yeah, right. We're back on, babe. You're back on with retired Jesse, major Jesse Marcel. Marcel, and then I'd be just who's already retired in 1978. Yeah.

Hard. Yeah. So Jesse Marcel, Jess's fiance, is the intelligence officer who collected debris from the crash site on the ranch. I'm so proud of him. Marcel declared that there was a cover-up, this is when he's talking to Friedman, and that the weather balloon material shown at the press conference was in fact swapped with the real material. He said the real material that he'd found on that day was not from this planet. Oh, okay. Friedman is like six to mid-night is he's got a he's got a major six to me's not his major

He's got a major myself He's my cell in his in his pants. He's a lot of saying. He's got a he's got a bowler. His erection. No, we got it His erection is bulging just like yeah guys. I've got it attracted to you I've got a real he's got a real stiffy in his dick pants. Yep. No, I dick is yeah Because when a man gets attracted to something yes, it feels with blood I'm the way is there only three words for a stiffy boner and major muscle hard on hard on hard on I was full a fat. He's on a fat. He's cracked a fast. What? Well, I could spot it like the, the, the, the,

I knew it's, and how many words that for a snow, or is that a myth? It's probably a myth, isn't it? It's a myth. Master Recall that it was here and one other plane closed, Officer, that collected the material and put it in several sacks. He claimed for the foil part of the declected was unlike anything he'd ever seen. He said it couldn't be folded or turned when he scrunched the foil it automatically unscrunched itself and went flat again. He also claimed that it had strange alien

like symbols on it. Oh how does he know what alien like symbols are like? Sorry Jack. This is pretty sad. Yeah. Unless he's been going since the 40s. Oh, no, I don't think so Marcel even took some material home to show his 11 year old son Jesse Jr Oh, come on, which is a weird if you're at work collecting alien material for the army You don't take it home to show your son. I've got to go. I'm gonna show my son this He was so excited about what by what he had that he woke up the boy Jesse Jr Just to show him the boy, Jesse Jr. just to show him. The boy remembers his father saying, I think this is part of a flying saucer.

Jesse Jr. however did not witness the foil behaving in strange ways. He did however see strange symbols on it though, saying they looked like flowers. Flowers. The alien like symbol. Sure. Floral. Interesting. Classic aliens. But it was the 70s. Okay, it paysly

It was the 40s. It was the 40s 70s recall it was Paisley Are there what in an alien fashion 40s was similar to earth? Yeah, they were 30s ahead at least. Yeah I'll imagine what they were wearing now. We can't even, that's why they're so ahead. Can't even. Now there were other witnesses at the time that saw what they called a saucer.

One of those is Jim Ragsdale, who was a truck driver living in Karlsbad at the time of the Roswell incident, not far away. Karls not so bad. So just... No. I like the idea that someone named a away. Carl's not so bad. So just... no. I like the idea that someone named a town after someone they didn't like. What are you gonna call this one mate? Carl's bad. Bad Carl. No, Carl's bad. That's better.

I'll go with the first one. Carl's bad. I don't like Carl'sville. I hate Carl. Suck it. Carl and Ted. Suck it. Carl, you're big. Flacco. Carl. It's like a Carl Intense. Carl, you're big, flacco. Carl took my wife and now I've got nothing to live for.

Town. Yeah. What was that? I'd say that that of Carl's bed. Your choice, not over caring. I'm not even caring. I'm not even caring, just fuck Carl. Yeah.

Carl's not allowed to live here. Can we make that a law? I'll just, I'll just name it and I'm not the law. Long story short Like off Cal Okay, so Jim's ragged Jim ragster was a truck driver living in Cal's bad at the time of the incident Jim and his girlfriend Trudy true love. No No true love One of the best names one of the best names on the podcast. They're true love

Well, you they definitely were in true love because they were lying in the back of his pickup truck. Quote, buck, naked, drinking beer and having a good old time when all hell break loose. Broke loose. I see you're doing, but you're going back to it. All hell break loose. Oh hell no! I don't know. I don't know.

This face. I don't know. I don't like this one at all. This is just all bottom teeth Who we talking about who's this now? Who are we swinging to now? I'm gonna point the fifth and say no comment to any question unless you ask me what kind of coffee I want and then I'm gonna add for a soy latte. Okay, we'll get you a small latte. Can we just ask who we told you? Who are you? I'm confused.

I'm having an episode. I was in bed and now I'm here. I have an idea. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm a heaven and episode. I was in bed and now I'm here. I've been in the idea for years. What day is it? What day?

It's Christmas day. What the fuck? Oh yes, it's not Christmas day. That can't understand the January you want to fuck them. What was it? Is this the people in the back of the town? That was the sheriff, the sheriff. Oh, the sheriff's back.

The sheriff's assistant. What was his face so weird? I thought it was a deputy sheriff. The deputy sheriff's assistant. No, the deputy sheriff. Look, I just sometimes channel these characters. They take over me. I don't do them. Are you the...

I... Okay. Well... Anyway. That's beautiful. Thank you. Why didn't the sheriff want to identify himself? Why the fuck is my goddamn son, that thing? That's a good point. That's a good question.

I got the men in soy latte. It's very warm for such drinks. But back to Roswell. Oh, Jim and his girlfriend, our country love. They're buck naked in the back of his pickup having a good old time. He claimed. A good his pickup. I'm having a good old time. He claimed. I don't even drive to them anymore.

He claimed that he saw a spaceship crash 50 miles northwest of Roswell. He signed an affidavit and said the military quickly arrived, removed the spaceship and it's dead alien crew. They put the ship on a flatbed truck and the aliens who he described as small with large heads and huge eyes into an ambulance and drove them away into an ambulance Interesting, I would have put in a wheelbarrow Yes, it's 30 miles to the closest hospital. I don't give a fuck

Trying to get fit You know, that's a a wheelbarrow challenge. He's an alien. He doesn't need that type of human medicine. He's fine. He's fine. He's like, you can pull him up your wheelbarrow. I'll knock it off. Not in a yut or any sort of car that might be out of... No, a wheelbarrow. I've made my decision. I'm sticking to it. Wheelbarrow.

I'm sticking to it. Wheelbarrow. Wheelbarrow. Hahaha. Uh, amulets, does make it sound like it was like some sort of hot air balloon. Like a trunnig help. And there were humans in there. Yeah. And the buck naked people were high.

And they, like, saw big eyes when they were just a couple of people. Or maybe they were just those old blowy. Maybe it was just the weather balloon. Yeah. And it looked like it was a big headed. And it wasn't an ambulance. It was just a truck. Yeah, it was a wheelbarrow. It's one of those fancy wheelbarrow ambulances. But he thought he saw aliens large-edge, huge eyes and grey skin. Side note, this classic alien type commonly known as grey aliens or grey's.

What? And 43% of all reported alien encounters in the United States describe grey aliens. So that's the most commonly seen type. That's interesting, but is that like that came out big at the time and then back like people have been influenced by that? Is that the theory or? I think a lot of it is sort of pop culture influence here. Or is it because they are all grey? Yeah, well one explanation is pop culture, the other one is they all, 40-30% of these people see grey aliens. Yeah.

I don't know which is the truth. Ben did, so this guy was the first one to wire the report. No, not the first one, no. But I just thought I'd bring up that they are the most commonly reported out of all alien. No, but I'm sorry I mean the buck naked guys were they the first ones to report right? No, and this guy I think I do get the feeling that they were high as a kind. Yeah, it does sound like they were pretty naked in the back of a truck. Yeah, don't sound like the most coherent witnesses. He has since died suspicious. I don't know how old he was.

By a finger probe, Ali in his hand was still hanging out of his ass when he was taking the hospital. In the back of the wheelbarrow. No foul play is suspected. No questions asked. No questions asked. He died. He died doing what he loved.

Getting fingered up the ass. By a big-headed grey alien. He does, he does do what he loves. Getting finger up the ass. By a big added grey alien. 43% of all aliens alien probing is done by big rats. Yeah. But back in Roswell apparently according to other witnesses there was 50 to 60 soldiers squatting shoulder to shoulder to clean up every single part of the alien ship and make sure they didn't miss anything.

They're slowly collecting all the little bits. The military had been accused of confiscating material from local media agencies and possibly threatening William Buck Brazel, the rancher who found parts of the ship to keep him quiet. You stay quiet, see? Now if you're telling the body boy you're stuck, I come back here and I'm gonna I'm gonna father in your face Dave this character of yours Just wonderful one character. I just blacked out for a second. What happened? Every time it comes back I have more questions

I just want to say that so I tell you this this one of the best Latiners in the fair hadn't just got damn countries to think so much. Wow they're very polite Americans, I have really nice. I love Americans. I've always thought so they're really cool. The question is, if there's alien bodies, where do they go? Wheel, Barrow. Oh my god.

There's only one answer and it starts with wheel and engine barrel. I can't believe you have to ask that question. I'm kind of offended. Well, many u-fologists, aka a fried man, claim that at least one of the bodies was shipped to right, Patterson Air Force Base. A top secret military base used for examining enemy aircraft found just east of Dayton, Ohio. Ohio? Oh, Ohio?

It just had to get Ohio into the episode. I have to get Ohio into nearly every episode. Hey, Ohio. In the 1940s, the base did conduct investigations into UFO sightings. That's actually admitted in public. And in a 1988 interview, Senator Barry Goldwater claimed that Goldwater...

Goldwater. That's a great name isn't it? You don't like Senator Barry Goldwater. Big time I would vote for Goldwater, vote for one for Goldwater. He asked what he said that in an interview that when he had asked General Curtis Lemay, who was a quite a famous US general,

I learned when looking him up, for access to a secret UFO room at the Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and angry Lemay, the general said, not only can't you get into it, but you can't ever mention it to me again. Oh, we got in trouble But that is just obviously he say he just said that like I said that to him. So I can't be sure but gold water Dave

This is I mean nobody's taking this podcast as a law, okay, so In one person's taking this podcast a lot. That's me. God damn it. I mean I'm gonna watch it podcast taking these fuck-ass along, that's me, goddamnit. I mean, I'm the one who wants to get along. Look at the badge. Look at the badge, look at the face. Does this face say you want to fuck with it? I don't fucking think so. I want to fuck that face, that's for sure. You don't want to fuck my face. No, thank you. Oh, you under arrest, we're in solid police officer.

That's not a thing. You under arrest. Why under arrest? Resisting arrest, that's two of them. You're going to jail me, see. Ugh. This is fucked. Jess, I reckon you should do it should fuck his face do what the man says No, not that just go just just go to prison. I mean he's a man of the law you visit me in prison So when I meant meant just um stop resisting arrest. Oh, well, thank you. You're kicking up a real stink. What do I do?

If that played out like that. Stink kick a Perkins. I would have fly kicked that weird face to share it from the head. I also imagined him to be about three foot tall. Yeah, fly kicking, like it's about the height that I could. Yeah. It was the first time he had his eyes open to see that character.

Sorry, not character. That personality of Dave's. Thank you. Oh, jeez. Imagine I couldn't control it. God, I don't know if I'm used to be friends. I don't think we'd be friends. I don't think we'd be doing a podcast.

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Is that what you're asking me, Matt? I wonder that, but you know, they could be answers for that. How about this? They're desert. Maybe they're from a desert planet. That's a good answer. Yeah. Maybe because they've heard about their wonderful range of bars and night life in Albuquerque.

Yeah. In New Mexico. Mm-hmm. Nice one. Maybe that, maybe they're aware of... It's the only place I know of in New Mexico. What's the capital of New Mexico? Oh, I assume it's Albuquerque.

I think it's Albuquerque. Maybe they, they, they, what I would be guessing is they, they took a wrong turn to albacaki. They're actually trying to go to Ohio. Oh, far away. Not that far. Huh? Not far.

We ended in the right country. Oh no. Oh no, it's not albacaki. We're gonna get in trouble from the New Mexico listeners. It is Santa Fe, albacog he's the largest population wise Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, there's a song called Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, and there's a like a Hyundai Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Santa Fe called Santa Fe. A route? Wow, there you go. And there's a like a Hyundai Santa Fe.

Yeah, so the Santa Fe's got it all. Come, probably we... Is it the only Santa Fe? Not important. Sorry Santa Fe, it is important. And I'll be looking that up. No, it's a, because it was built by Spaniards this town. So it is.

There's also some in Argentina. Bolivia, Brazil have some Santa Fe's, Colombia, Cuba, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Philippines, Spain. What an empire there. The USA has many places, including one in Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Indiana. Sounds like California. There are three in California. All right. One is Santa Fe Springs, one is Rancho Santa Fe, another Santa Fe, Oakland. Fe Springs one is Rancho Santa Fe another Santa Fe Oakland

I've heard of Rancho Santa Fe. I think that's him bring it on I've heard of Rancho relax though. Ah, that's in Springfield turn tape over Anyway, back to Roswell Sorry, Albuquerque. Albuquerque. Well two years prior. This is why the alien people think why aliens turned up. The alien, you follow just, sure. I don't mean to offend you, follow just that. I mean, you follow just so I want to meet them.

You want to meet Frodeman? I want a party with Frodeman again. Well the guy, two years prior, the first- Call me, please, Stan. You old dog? It's been too long. Hey, it's just a pride, Betty. It's said that was teasing you, right? a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a high, Betty. It's a, Betty. It's a high, Betty. 22 and party years. What does that make you 21?

Well, no, I don't party anywhere near the front desk. Steadily. Steadily. Steadily. Couldn't possibly. I was just trying to make you look old, that's all. Two years prior, certainly in 1945, the first of a nuclear atomic bomb, a code named Trinity, was tested in the New Mexico desert.

And some claim that the energy from this test would have sent a signal into space that aliens could have picked up and fearing that Earth was about to destroy itself came to our planet but because they were so far away it took them two years to get here. Sure. Also there was an apparent electrical storm the night of the Roswell crash so lightning may have been what brought the spaceship down in the first place. Okay.

So they were hovering within our atmosphere? To get struck by lightning, is that right? Yeah. Possibly. They're just hanging out up there. Just chilling out, just watching, just observing. So if you take everything at face value, you're like, oh, maybe there was an alien thing. But there are some problems with the witnesses.

Oh, you're kidding. When originally interviewed by Friedman, more than 30 years after the crash, because so much time has gone past Marcel. Jesse Marcel. That's right. The man couldn't remember the year of the incident, let alone the month. So it's pretty hazy about the details. Marcel claimed that he personally flew the UFO wreckage to Carzwell, the Air Force Base.

He could not have done so, for he was never a pilot. So he embellished the story a little bit. He claimed in numerous interviews that he was not only a pilot, but he had managed to shoot down five enemy aircraft. What? If so, this would have made Marcel an ace, a distinction that certainly would have been noted in his military file, but whenever I looked into it that had never happened, I'm pretty sure he just liked the attention. Oh really? It is possible for people to

believe their own bullshit as it goes. You know that that's happened recently with that American, not that recently, we've been asking a couple of years that American very well respected anchor, who told the story of the years, and it got embellished. He fully believed that he was, like, he was in the helicopter and like a rocket went past it or something,

but it turned out that he was like, a helicopter back or something. It was quite a while from when he saw it happening in the distance, but he was like, he built his- Oh, he could imagine himself there. He fully believed it. He'd told this story believing and he was like shocked to find out that wasn't true. But it's apparently that's some sort of thing with your memory. Like memory is totally fallible. Yeah, but I don't think anyone's telling this guy that, hey, you shot down five planes. Remember that?

No, I'm not saying people are telling this- He started to believe it. He was just believing and he's telling the story and your memory is just a memory of your memory. It's a memory of the memory of the memory. It's like a photocopy of a photocopy. So it's not perfect. So I wouldn't be surprised this guy over 30 years.

You know, it took some seed of it being true and then it's just morphed over years. I believe that. I don't think he's necessarily full of shit. I think he's full of shit. I'm falling. You were engaged to him earlier on the episode. This is Jesse.

Yeah, but I just. That was the first you found out he was full of shit. That's my taste in men. Jeez, I can't pick him. It all bloody losers. Well, of the dozens or sometimes even hundreds of losers, Jess is dated. All right, we're talking about Rodswell here.

Hundreds. Wow, how many cars have you been in? Of the dozens or sometimes even hundreds of witnesses touted by experts as corroborating Rosewell, saying that there was a cover-up. The majority are second-hand witnesses, EG. They heard someone tell them what they saw. So they passed on, but they're like,

or possibly over the time they think that they saw it, like this Anki is talking about, man. Many of the witnesses change their testimony over time. I'm gonna give a couple of examples. This is taken from a KELK KORF, or with with K's, KELK K. KORF from the skeptical inquire and online magazine that tries to debunk stuff like this. Brilliant. This is from the Reda Proctor. She's the neighbor of Mac Brazel on the ranch who originally discovered the debris. She claims she tried to bend burn and break a piece of the material she he showed her but she was unable to her testimony is used by crash source above to to go against the argument that a spaceship made

of unknown exotic materials crash near Roswell right the truth is she's changed her story over over over times several times she's transformed herself from a witness who originally said she never saw any debris to one who tried to bend Braganburn and the material herself. She began changing a account after her husband Floyd, who made it very clear in early interviews that they'd never seen any material passed away. So he was out of the picture and now she can say whatever she likes. Oh, It's a god damn it Floyd. Another one is Sons.

You don't have any of that on the record. Just do it. Cause if you do, I denote it or so about that. If you don't, nothing. He's a story. He's a story. Forget I said anything. That was about a dream I had earlier.

Sergeant Melville E. Brown, Brown is touted as a witness who saw alien bodies by Roswell authors including fried man and a few others. The truth is Melvin Brown cannot be considered a witness since he died in 1986 and was never interviewed by these UFO researchers. The only proof that he was a witness came from his daughter who first made the claim years after his death and no other members of his family support her claim. Oh. So the guy, her dad died and she was like, my dad saw that and a lot of people published it in books,

like he was a hundred percent witness. Oh wow. And another reason that aliens... Er... Another reason aliens are the coolest. He is a PowerPoint presentation. I think you'll find the top five reasons pretty engaging. What do you think about this so, Dave?

The government have, like, planned devil's advocate, right? The government want to cover this up. And all these people have been discredited in the time since, made to look silly and like they've lied and stuff. Maybe the government is in a position that they could make people look silly or convince people to change their stories or to... You think it's the government? Change the right. I think it could go all the way to the top.

All the way to the top. Who's the top? Obama. You know who the top is? Oh, well maybe you can get to him. Oh no. How did he get to... he's a deputy sheriff. That's why he's the top.

When that was in 1948. Don't believe everything you see, young-ish, he don't believe it's just because I've got to read not a bad... He's pulling off his mask. Oh my God, that's right. I am President George H. W. Bush. Who?

The older Bush. Who's from the late 80s. George Bush, you're the right. And I'm still playing golf every Sunday Well, that was a weird one wasn't And that wait, so that's something the golf where how is the golf elevator? Is that just you just throw that into flavor look? He's given at clues obviously you've got to piece them together zodiac style

All right mate Jess you know the golf on Sundays Given at clues, obviously, you've got to piece them together, zodiac style. Alright mate. Jess, anything with the golf on Sundays? Do you think that, how does that, is that telling us that aliens are real or not? Golf is a sportive alien. Vanetta gulf a bit, for G. G, that's right. And he was an army girl, he was a knee-jorge HW. So, yeah.

So golf, echo, yep, I pretty sure you have a big part of the first golf war Oh, okay, he was he was the president during that I believe Geez Louise or under something guys we've cracked Roswell I think George George HW Bush plays golf on Sunday I think that means that we've cracked her as well. We did. It's still very hot in here.

It's so hot, oh my god, I'm dying. I'm just so sweaty and weird places. I'm really happy with what we've just achieved there. And I know the answer. I just want to double check. Yep. So you also know, do we crack it that there are Roswell aliens or not?

Oh, man. She wouldn't ever answer a dumb question like that. Come on. Don't be silly. Do we crack it that there are Roswell aliens or not? She would never answer a dumb question like that Don't be silly. Yeah, because they we obviously prove that they do not Oh We don't we don't give anything away do we? You are some of the best improvisers I've ever seen yes and that's improvising that's improvising as I understand it Try to say something at the same time But you know they have that game the story you tell at the same time

Yeah, one person just jumps in and just and then the other person just, I am going to make this. That's leading, you can't do it. That sounds quite tedious, I'm sorry that we almost did that. And we told him out this for an hour, they did that for like a 50 minute show. That sounds good. That would go through waves of getting tedious and then being amazing. They're still doing it. This one I end on a hike.

Question mark, the end. Thank you. Thank you. Another award? Please, the best comedy award ever. Please, accept your award with a speech at the same time. Thank you for this award. I am very humble by your award. Beautiful isn't it? That is beautiful. I'm giving you an award for that acceptance speech. Oh well, we'll have to do a speech obviously. Thank you for this second award.

Pay all the money to the first award. I would like to firstly thank my wife. I'm going to have to take that last award back off you. Dave, come on babe. Well you want to thank your wife, I want to thank my dad. Interesting, interesting. We live for different people. He can live for your dad.

I'll live for your papa. I don't have a wife. I can't have one in this country. I don't have a dad. I can't have one in this country. I can't have one in this country. It's a weird loo pole. It's a loo pole. We're going all the way to the high court, maybe. I want to get a dad. I want to get a dad. You can't. It goes against the Bible. What, but even Jesus had a dad. He had two. It was But even Jesus had a dad. He had two. It was God.

Jesus had two dads. That's true. How have I only just thought of that? 13 years of Catholic education. Jesus had two dads and we can't have equal rights. That's right, they're in the Bible. Fuck. People do twist the Bible their way.

Don't know, just.. Oh example King Henry J. I found a couple of words here. What? These two, it looks like they're funny to me. I'm God. Look at that, I read that first. So is that me? I guess I'm God.

I own this Bible. If anyone said they'd read it first, I'll probably kill them. But I'm God. So this Bible if anyone said they read it first. I'll probably kill them but I'm God Well, where are we Dave to go on? I was gonna say before aliens are Really cool and also aliens are very big business for Roswell the town itself sure These days the population of Roswell is 56,000 and did you know fun fact that Demi Moore was born there? Demi Moore, Demi Moore. Demi Moore, Demi Moore.

He's got a big head and big eyes and a small body. And has grey skin and jets around in a flying saucer. How have we never noticed before? And used to date Ashland and Kutcher. Yeah, married. Married. But before that dated. And before that, and before that Bruceutcher. Yeah, married. Married. But before that dated. And before that Bruce Willis?

Yes, correct. Yes. And his round head, no hair. He was on that film about aliens, something. Signed. Says Yippee-Kai-A a lot, which I assume is some sort of alien language. Oh, the fucker.

Yippee-Kai-A, motherfucker. I was going to say that. Great alien language. Oh the fucker. Here we go, yeah, motherfucker. I was gonna say that, uh, Great Christmas movie. But in Roswell, the best Christmas film, die hard. The ultimate Christmas film. Is that Christmas film? And it was a month ago, Christmas, but I'm already,

I reckon a month ago means only 11 months till Christmas. I'm gonna start watching my favorite Christmas movie, die hard, die hard, soon. Real soon. I'll pull it out to not get in that Christmas cheer. I can already hear them Slaybell's Jinglein ring-ting-ting-ting-ling too as well. Come on. It's a lovely weather for a Slay Road together with poo. Things aren do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do not, but there's definitely not a whole town dedicated to stuff. This is, you were for the, there's UFO museum.

Yeah. Multiple storefronts are alien themed. There's alien graffiti everywhere. Right. Restaurants serve alien themed food, including the alien burger. I don't know what that is. Mushroom. Yeah, fucking weird.

Why are we eating that? Pile. Do the alien voices. Why are we eating that? It's, it's a must. Sure. Parking spots are reserved for aliens. That's why I said that. Finally, do the alien voices. Why do we eat that? It's a must. Sure. Parking spots are reserved for aliens.

That's great. Let's just reserve for alien parking. Some of the lamp posts are shaped like alien heads. And my favorite thing I could found is a thing called alien sound. You could sound. You sound a bit like an alien trying to speak English sometimes. Maybe he's not the real Dave. I've started to feel like he might be not the real Dave. I've seen him feel like he might,

but he's not the real Dave. Got them big eyes. Huge eyes. But so does normal Dave. Got a small body. It's got gray skin, but that's again, normal Dave. Hey, I've got pale skin. Pretty big head.

Pretty big head. Like top percentile, yeah. Jigs are. Top percent, top 1 percent of largest heads. Yeah That's that's big. That's fucking big. You gotta hear some weird heads out there. I know. I'm looking at one. Oh Nothing wrong with that Dave Well, I'm not a lot of us shorts every head heads come in all types of shapes and beautiful sizes Okay

Are you crying trying to get a single tear? shapes and beautiful sizes. Okay. Are you crying? Trying to go single to here. Aliens can't cry. I know that's robots. They're all the same. I was going to say my favorite part of Roswell is a thing called Alien Zone, which I've read about it is essentially a big room

with aliens in all kinds of bizarre situations, like wax figures, like sitting on the couch. That is bizarre. Sitting. Can you imagine? Oh my god. I could have. Sitting in a sauna.

No, stop it. We are right now. What are we doing? Fuck sake. We are. Sitting on a deck chair next to a barbecue. Get out. They'd never.

They don't eat meat. I'm going in this place. Sitting at a table attached to the ceiling upside down for some reason. All that's wacky. Now this is culture. This is the kind of stuff that I Oh, that's wacky. This is culture. This is the kind of stuff that I'd go see in a town. You would probably be at a country where there's only $3. Oh, I definitely.

Give it American. I don't know if I can afford that. I'd say that. Yeah. I'd say that for aliens' own. Come on, it sounds fun. It sounds so fun. I'd be up for it.

We should go there. We'll do that on our 50 date. 50 state. Or 50 date. 50 there. We'll do that on our 50 date 50 state or 50 date 50 date 50 state American tour 50. I'm gonna be a buddy. Well wind. Well wind. Well wind. I'm going on to a so I just want to ask so far. Do you guys you you you you're believing? No. Has aliens on not one you over? Well okay. I love it. You got to sit next to an alien on a couch, in a deck chair. Oh, wait, you didn't explain that at all. I thought maybe they were behind the scenes.

No, no, no, no, you can get on the couch. You can get in photos with this thing. Oh, fuck yeah. That's why it's really cool place to go for $3. Oh, yeah, I'm so happy. Interactive, I mean. I mean. I mean, it's an interactive museum.

Like, you're encouraged to take photos with that alien. Very good. Like, Madame Tussaud. Yeah, so make it look like your friends with aliens, I think is there. Well, I'm just taking a photo with you. Ow, my heart! That you don't have. Ow, my human heart! How about the character Ross from Friends? He was like an alien, wasn't he?

He just couldn't fit in. Like it was from another planet. Oh, Ross. There was one episode where he... I saw it was from another planet. Oh Ross. There was one episode where he, um, I saw it not too long ago, there's a repeat and he, um, oh, it wasn't a new episode. There wasn't a new episode. There's a repeat. I repeat a phrase. No, I was, I'm not, why would I lie about that? It was a railroad. I'm really, I'm friends. Yeah, friends. Can I do that? Yeah. Is that legal? Yeah, yeah, apparently that was. And, uh, he was, he was very, yeah, I do that Yeah, yeah, apparently that was and he was he was very

Worried and offended that his ex-wife Rachel no Carol Carol Carol whatever that was Carol she had organized a Male nanny for his kid. Oh, no a male nanny for his kid. Oh, no, a male nanny. Oh my god. I can't deal with this. I'm Russ. What? I'm Russ and I can't deal with it. Why was he upset about it? Because I think he's because he's like there's some weird I guess it's homophobic. I don't know. That's weird. What because he wouldn't leave his son with it. I think, no, I think he was, I think in the Andy explain it, he was like, he was, he was an alien the whole time.

He felt threatened by a man, a man who was so in touch with his feelings or something. It was not really weird. There's so much weird stuff on that. The first season is all jokes, but it's like, anyway, my ex-wife is a lesbian now, and that's like where the laughter happened. My lesbian ex-wife.

But it's almost like it was supposed to be progressive. And now you watch it and you're like, ooh. Anyway, why are we talking about friends? Are we talking about Roswell? Roswell, that's why I asked you. Roswell. Is that honestly how you brought it up?

I don't remember. I don't know, I regret it though. So I just wanted to ask, are you guys on board? No, no aliens. Well, on the one hand, it seems ridiculous, but on the other hand, it seems ridiculous because that's what they want us to think. Oh, yeah. They've made it seem crazy. They're a little bit more.

Yeah, here this. So, the US government maintained that it was in fact a weather balloon for a couple more decades after the crashed aircraft. A surveillance blimp. A blimp. Well, not far off. It's a surveillance balloon from Project Mogul.

Mogul. Project Mogul was a top secret project by the US Army Air Force involving microphones flown on high-altitude balloons, whose primary purpose was long-distance detection of sound waves generated by Soviet atomic bomb tests. So pretty much, the US will worry that the Soviets would soon catch up to their nuclear technology and felt that atomic bomb tests were inevitable, but back then it was really hard to spy on new enemies, especially in their own remote Siberian wilderness where they did this kind of stuff. So basically you use a giant balloon like huge, send it up really high in the atmosphere, so high that it can detect minute changes in the atmosphere that would be caused by these atomic bombs, even on the other

side of the planet. So that was the plan. The project was carried out from 1947 until 1949. It was very, very secret. The project used enormous balloons made of polyphylene plastic. In the summer of 1947, a project mogul balloon crashed in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico. Oh, New Mexico. Conspiracy. Some of the debris consisted of patches of a smelly smoky grey rubber-like material,

which is consistent with the balloons used for project mogul. Much of the Roswell debris, which sticks metallic paper and strangely marked tape, is similar to material used for radar detectives that are attached to balloon. So most of this is checking out. And as for the alien like symbols or flower style hieroglyphics witnessed by several witnesses. Seven is paisley. Well you know how people are talking about that a lot. Members of the 40s but they said in the 70s. No, it was ahead of the time. The manufacturer of the balloons used sticky tape to reinforce the structure, lapping it over the struts and securing it to both sides of the reflective foil.

Pretty hot tech. It was super high tech. The manufacturer was so high tech, it was a toy factory, so it used tape with like kiddy flower symbols on it. Oh my god. They used that the symbols were likely baked onto the metal and the wood by the sun after it crashed and then disintegrated and they left these baked onto the metal and the wood by the sun after it crashed and then Disintegrated and they left these symbols on the metal and the wood so that's

Probably that's continued so that 50 years to come up with a story and they came up with it's a weird sticky tape kids tape Yeah, no, it's not sticky tape. Sell a tape. It's so silly that they'll have to believe it. Yeah, Project Model, Mogul itself was moderately successful, but was also very expensive. What, all that bloody sticky tape you got to pay for them around. Not just plain sticky tape either. They've gone for the glossy matte stock. The good stuff, 400 GSM. Remember I told you that paper was pretty thick at the start. It was superseded to the Project Mogul by a network of seismic detectors and air sampling for fallout, so it was easy for them to detect the nuclear stuff, which was cheaper, more reliable and easier to deploy and operate.

But Project Mogul is, by most experts, considered what was found on the ranch that day. So most people think it's just experts, I should say. Though there was a, in the 90s, they did a nationwide poll, not every one of the nation, but a lot of people, a large sample, and one in four Americans believe that something sus happened at Roswell. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.

How many? One in four. One in four. Yeah, that's a lot. It's a lot of people, it's 25%. I'm sorry to take your flame, their math point, but. No, I appreciate it, passing the flame on. That's a good thing to take it back, please,

I'm about to math, please. Oh God. The final thing I will send this report is in 1995, a 17 minute film footage, perting to show an alien autopsy came out. It was claimed to have been taken by the US military shortly after the Roswell incident. It was released by Ray Santillia London based video entrepreneur. The film footage was allegedly supplied to him by a retired

military cameraman who wished to remain anonymous. The alien autopsy video, have you heard about that man? In 1995 when you were on the mid-40s? Yeah, I was just. Do you ever read that? I'll write 40s. So I'll give you the benefit there. I think I was just going through menopause at the time and... What was that for you? It was much like this.

It was very hot flushes. So you still get the hot flushes? It was like, because I fucking hang. Am I going through menopause? No. Actually, I'm getting a few different memories confused. Sorry, I haven't been through medicals yet. Did you just have a fever?

I wanted to do my... Yeah, I might have just had a hot fever. Did you get convinced yourself that you're on the helicopter and that a missile went straight past you? Yes. That's what happened. And I also, I'd just, around that time, I stopped bleeding for a ton. But that turned out to be a different thing.

Completely unaligated. Now, I remember the alien autopsy. Oh, I know that because they referenced it on the X-Files a few times. The footage at the time caused an international sensation when an air-on television networks around the world in at least 33 countries. Wow. Interviews with experts on the authenticity of the film included Oscar-winning special effects make-up people

and and noted forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht. Cyril Wecht. Wecht. Who considered? I got worked. Who watched the video. I'll get worked. Well, he got worked because he considered the autopsy procedures in the film to be authentic.

Wow. But he stopped short of declaring the being on the table in the video to be in Alien. In 2006, 11 years later, Santilli admitted the film was not authentic, but rather a staged reconstruction of footage he claimed to have viewed in 1992, which had deteriorated over time and become unsuitable for use, so he had to re-act. Yeah, that's it. That's so suss, isn't it?

I had it. I had it. And it was, it was not good. And I'm a perfectionist. I mean, you could say, you could watch it, sure, but you would have enjoyed it. I'm a perfectionist. The quality is not the best.

The sound's sassy. I can't, I can't provide you with, with the subpar. Your version, don't be so round. You that, you that? That's the squashing of it. Hey, put these on. You can test signs of a three day. Three day. Look at that? That's the squashing over and- Hey put these on, put these on. It's his signs of a 3D. 3D.

Look at that, it's like that, that fake alien in the middle. But that's like that fake alien is coming right off the table. Oh, wells us. I'm sorry. It's actually my wife. She's wearing a- She's wearing a silk onesie. She's a budding actress.

She's very talented. She's wearing a very big break. I mean, anyway, I can help her. At the end, I mean, if you waited to, you would have seen when credits rolled, uh, alien, uh, my wife. My wife? My wife. Which I probably should have put her name down, because it's confusing.

But I forget what it is. But people who don't know how many times I've been married. Yeah. When you said, uh, you put this on for three days, I just imagine that you put the goggles on and you're just playing Avatar. You're like, I think I've seen this before, but fuck, it's good though. It's so colorful. You've really reenacted this quite well.

That video from the 1940s. But then is the Roswell conspiracy. I'm not sure how we're feeling now, and now I've given you the project, Mogul. Matt, do you think that's even more sus now? Yeah, I know. No, I'm on. I'd like, it's the kind of thing I'd be I'd be I'd be right up for it to be real, but maybe just the way you've told it. Yeah, it's really your fault.

In a lot of ways, you've told this and it's made it sound. You've told it Polly is what you're saying. No, I didn't say you've told it Polly. I just, you've just told it. I was biasedly towards the government suits and ties and I appreciate their kickbacks. So, what do you as government is our largest Patreon supporter? They do the $50 a month level. They are amazing. They are definitely in the golden Hat and they also they hacked into our mainframe. The hat found that the Roswell conspiracy was in there and their Golden Hat suggestion actually vetoed the other suggestion and they wanted me to report her on the inner bias way. So I had to do it. I think Zach Steinbecker would

understand. But Zach that report was for you. I hope you I'm not sure what getting touched that you didn't actually say how you feel about the whole Roswell thing Yeah, Zach and if any I'd love to see some non-biased pro aliens You're opening up a weird can there. No, I'm thinking that there's probably much more Likely alien things, but this is just the most famous one. But I think it has been pretty debunked. Like most people, when they look into it, go, oh, was that balloon thing? Right. And the US government were actually capitalized on the alien thing. They were happy for people to think it was an alien or the weather balloon as long as they didn't, the Russians didn't find out that they were using that thing in

the sky. So they actually used the alien thing. They were happy for that to be. Oh cool, you can believe in aliens as long as Russia doesn't find them. Yeah sure. I guess that makes sense too. So they were happy for the law to exist. That's kind of clever. Yeah. And there is someone weird who are like, what, why would the government, why would they come around? Well, I guess the answer would be that they want to, in the X-Files, Roswell, that happened and what they've done is they used the alien ship to try and find out how their technology

works to get in front militarily. Right. And they're so called Roswell. Yeah, and the late 90s, early 2000s. Yeah, that's, yeah, you should, really 2000s. Yeah, that's... You sure that's not what Zach wanted to do, a favorite photo? Oh, that would be so awkward if he just wanted it to be on the show. Oh, he said that's my favorite show ever.

They made three series of that. Oh, sorry, Zach. Oh, Zach, look at this. It's a good... It's a good... Like a teen drama with alien creatures. Zach, I'm so sorry. Dave let you down.

Zach, don't be mad. But Zach would be annoyed with the rest of the listeners to probably think it was better. Okay, what did you say? Please keep Zach while he's down. Yeah, shit. He's really so about that, Zach. No, Zach, I never apologize to our listeners.

We know, mate. We've got to do it for you. Which I appreciate a lot. You're a piece of it. I get to save face, but also I'm like kicking you out of the table, going up quicker, apologize. I really don't mean that. I don't mean that. So we'd like to say thanks

to Zach for obviously the god had suggestion himself we're also going to say thank you personally to three patron supporters people that's pledged to support to our patrons you guys make this show possible we can keep it going every week so if you want to do that we'll know we'll talk about the link and stuff at the end but we'd like to say a personal thank you to three supporters now. The first person I'd like to thank. He's not the brains of the podcast. He's not the lungs of the podcast, but he is the heart of this show, and that is Dan

Hart. Oh, right. Yeah. I was like, wow. No, I thought it was a really sweet thing, and I I was like oh no, it was just a bad set of plan words. Because I think that's actually true. And did you know, I don't know if you remember this, but Dan, he's a guy that I met down

in Tazzy in one system. And he suggested we do a Patreon. So he's really the heart of the Patreon. Yeah. Thank you Dan. He's the heart of the show, he's a bloody legend. Thanks so much Dan heart of the Patreon. Yeah. Thank you, Dan. He's the heart of the show. He's a bloody legend. Thanks so much, Dan.

We've all written on it. And you know something else about Dan? What else about Dan? He put in the hat quite a long time ago. And when I met him six months ago, I probably, I'm like, Dave is doing your topic shortly. Does it six months ago or something? I love that you promised.

I know it's a sin. Because you told me that you're about to do it. Here we go. The Simpspsons where the fuck is it? David David look at me David look you in the eye David your you No, no I'm not I'm not Goldwater assistant to the deputy sheriff assistant to the deputy sheriff, but you sheriff goldwater assistant to the deputy sheriff assistant to the deputy sheriff but

you sheriff goldwater look okay maybe before I'm going to take this badge and I got drunk on palp but really I'm assistant to the deputy sheriff one day I'm gonna get my own badge water seal then I just want to say thank you and uh day full not be asking any questions on the assistant's podcast topic okay if you're in the field that's milk coming. Milk coming from a client. The fifth isn't a thing in Australia, I'm afraid. That's it. I am also a lawyer.

You're an assistant to the deputy. You're not even deputy. You're an assistant, so can, like, can I borrow a stapler? Yeah, I could see if there could be a Rachel. I have to talk to my boss about that. Oh, okay. And I'm from now on with Australian law.

Australian law? I brought the Australian law. You didn't write the Australian law at all. Okay, I exactly read a little bit there, and I'm familiar with Australian law. The Australian law? I brought the Australian law. You didn't write the Australian law at all. Okay, I exactly read a little bit there, but I can't handle this. I'm well versed in the Australian law. Are you? Australians are not that strict George for your young free. But I think-

That's Australian nationalism on the Australian law. I think that's world number one. Rule number one is Australians all that us rejoice for we are young and free. Weird boasts. Weird vague boasts. But rule number one. I mean, some of a weird, a weird post. Or not. Weird vague post. But rule number one. I mean, some of us are young. Some of us are free.

Some of us are fucking old-ass and some of us are in jail, you know what I mean? Rule number one is treat us how you'd like to be treated in my run. No, that's also not a rule. I think you're good now, that's the golden rule of Christianity. We've got other people to think. Oh, okay, but I'd like to see you. Can I speak to Dave, please? I'd like to see. Can I speak to Dave, please? I'd like to see thank you to Dan Hart. Okay, if you want to thank Dan, probably you'll do a fucking

Simpson's episode soon. No comments. No comments to Dan Hart. You piece of shit. You made me lie to Dan Hart. I can't believe it. I'm gonna have to do it if you're not gonna do heart. I can't believe it. I'm gonna have to I'll do it if you're not gonna do it. I can't do it. I can put it in the in my pole. Put it in your pole, gross. I do it. I do a pole, it's over. I'm gonna do it. I'll do it. Great. When, eventually. Hey, you know who else I would like to thank? Yeah. Who? Sorry to interrupt you fucking weird rant. Don't blame me for lacking out. Thank you. Wow, it's really bright in here. It's not good. Somebody who always supported us emotionally, spiritually, physically that one time I fell over, the

delightful Reed Wilson. Reed Wilson. Thank you read read You say a big player on Twitter as well loves it mad for it. Let's have a moment for read what unread And that was for you. I know that's all at moment. Yeah, okay Thanks so much read love where he's work. Yeah, who else this is work out? Work do like Chrissy Della Chrissy Della another great. Look, we got a good photo from Chrissy at a f***ing memory, though. Hey, Chrissy's great. She's a Melbourneites, you know? The best card. I'm quite confident.

And I think even on the postcard, I might have even said this. The only postcard. We did like 70 postcards. I think it's a pretty good one. I think it's a pretty good one. I think it's a Melbourneites, you know? The best card. I'm quite confident. And I think even on the postcard, I might have even said this. The only postcard, we did like 70 postcards on one of them. 85.

85, sorry. And I'm one of them, I, yeah. This is the only one that I gave us a direct plug for our comedy festival show. Yeah, you put, no, you put a Christmas card. You plugged a few. I did it. If you got a card and it doesn't have a plug for the show,

I wrote that. That's not true. That's true. I'm a few. I did it. If you got a card and it doesn't have a plug for the show, you say I wrote that. That's not true. That's true. There was a couple that I wrote apologies on there because you had plugged too hard. It was, you know, it was, it was crazy, crazy. But speaking of which. Anyway, I don't know if I gave Chrissy enough love.

I think you're Chrissy. A lot of love. If you give them probably too much love, you're probably like an overbearing dad. You ramble a little bit too much, mate. Sorry, Chrissy. I would like to say on that note, the Melbourne Comedy Festival is coming up this year, now it's in April and the tickets are now on sale. We'll be tweeting out that link a lot of times, but if you'd like to, we'd love to, it's just gone on sale. We'd love to sell our first ticket.

Yeah, that'd be sick. I've been selling it ticket. Whoa. Just imagine. Just a Megan. So exciting. A Megan, a Meganese. Meganese. Four Sunday afternoons, four different topics. Sunday says, oh my god, let's have a podcast and let's drink.

It's gonna be a lot of fun. You've got three months to buy a ticket. There's also season passes available, which actually means you can come to all four,uras Menny's you like up to four, but no more. Because they're out there won't be anymore. And it's much cheaper per overall ticket. So if you want to do that, I don't know if you're a big super fan. Man, I imagine if we sold a season. If we sold a season ticket, I would just... And you should also come to all of our individual shows. Yes,

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