Two In The Think Tank - 66 - Jack the Ripper

Episode Date: January 25, 2017

Jack the Ripper, a gruesome and mysterious murderer from the 1880s. Matt does his first serial killer report, it's pretty full on at times but somehow the episode is still a pretty funny one. Tune in and let us know what you think!Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time! MyComcomputercareer.edu. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go. On my name is Dave Warner here and I'm here with the magical, I was gonna say Trio, but that's all first. The magical duo, Mats Tewet and Jess Pukin. Woo! Magical! If you had to pick one power, what would it be? Super power.

Um... Uh... Oof. I have always thought probably like being able to teleport. Oh, that's good. You save so much money on travel. And not just like international travel, but also just like getting to work.

I could get out of bed 10 minutes before work. Boom, boom, boom. And you wouldn't have to get out of bed, you teleport out of bed. Oh yeah, you're right. Well, I'd probably still have to get dressed. So I'd have to get out of bed and get dressed. No, teleport into your clothes.

Wow. If you had your clothes hanging up, hanging in sort of Wallace and Gromit style contraptions, you just, you know try to pull in. I reckon I'd get that Wolverine thing where you're just here. Fast healer. What, you don't even injure yourself that often.

That would be fine if you were like a stunt man or something. Yeah. But you're a stand-up comedian. What injuries do you have? Besides bruised egos. Yeah, exactly. No matter how hot you are, you walk out and they're thinking I killed that I don't know I can't like because I went through a few of my head and then I'm like teleporting sounds fun, but I I reckon I'd

I'd end up abusing it, you know like I'd end up being really shit at life because I'm like You know I meant to be at this meeting or something I Can tell teleport there in a minute. I don't know if I'm being late anywhere. And then I just end up killing myself somehow. Okay. With the teleporting. Yeah. Did you accidentally teleported to an airplane engine?

Wave, have you, oh no! Have you seen the, it's a snap. It's like an ad for a tafe or a union Australia. It's quite a, went quite viral a couple of years ago. And they're doing a, it's a snap. You know, it starts as one of those fun uni sort of videos. Yeah, sure. So easy, it's a snap and now we're in the bar.

Yeah. And it's a snap and I'm in the lecture theater or whatever. And it goes on and then it's a snap and it ends up like impaled on a stairwell. What? Yeah, it's pretty fun. Check it out. So it's at an ad for.

For a university. It's an ad for anti-teleportation. Well now I see you're making me, yeah. That ad works. But I just sort of thought, if it is a really expensive. What about flying? Yeah, but then I have to fly. And also like how fast can I fly faster than a plane?

Yeah, like Superman fast. I mean you're choosing so anyway My yeah, my one it I don't know. I thought you're gonna say the Wolverine Clause. It's like that's weird Yeah, the Wolverine what like like cat like claws to kill people Yeah, what other options are there? I would like hunt animals. It's like you have something ready to go What are the options are there? I would like to hunt animals. I should have something ready to go. What about you Dave? I'll probably be the ability to turn anything into blue cheese.

Imagine that. Oh yeah. Do you really like blue cheese? I love blue cheese. Okay. This is the difference between me and Dave. It's very good. Whenever an opportunity comes up for some sort of question

or something on this show, Dave's got a joke. And I'm like, yeah, what would be the best? He's like, let's fucking comedy thing. Just say anything, we're just, yeah, but what are the issues involved? Blue cheese. I mean, it's good Dave. I mean, teleportation. I mean, there's so many risks involved.

You are no fun. Yeah, we've got to do the calculations. But that's okay, because you're like the grumpy dad on the podcast and we're the fun young kids who just with a dream is. Look, I'm, the old change is now. What, we stopped dreaming. Yeah, I'm gonna bring you guys there.

Well, I think that's a fun way to start. Yeah, all right. My secret power, that's not even the word, is it? Say how much I'm fucking with it? Sit my secret power. Yeah, my secret power, no, that's not even the word, is it? See how much I'm fucking with it? Sit my secret power. Yeah, your secret power. Is turning back time into cheese. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Blue cheese. Oh, okay, you could turn back time into cheese. If I could turn back time into cheese. Into blue cheese. Yeah, that's what I wanted. So what, you reverse time and suddenly everything is blue cheese. No, you turn back time into cheese, Dave. Back time. You know when you go to the gym, it's a nice time.

Back time. Back time. Back time. Back time. So the more... You ever skip back time, that's what I say. So the more reps you do on your back, the more blue cheese you have. Yeah. For dinner. That's gross. Yeah.

It's not on your back, yes. Still gross. Like, like, toaches? You get, ah, for fuck's sake, day. No, it's back cheese. David! No, it's not like that. Okay, question three.

This cheese. This cheese, just you open the fridge and it's there because you've had a really good back time. All right. I don't want blue cheese. Let me talk about to cheese for a second. No. I mean, just cause you're questioning. Let's get on with the episode. Oh, it's a really good topic today.

If you discovered that it was the best tasting thing in the world, would you eat it? No. See, blue cheese is discussing anything about it. It's like a mole cheese, but it tastes amazing. No. I would eat to cheese. I'm just putting you in there. Oh my god.

It's a question that everyone's in our, I would eat to cheese and I would enjoy it you out there. Oh my god. It's a question there everyone. Oh god I would eat to cheese and I would enjoy it and it would be my superpower number two I feel you would give you the number to I feel Well right now stop it. I don't want to talk about cheese. Hey guys. Should we get on with this show? Oh god Yes, all right question about cheese about back cheese So the way it works Davey's on this show do go on. I'm too distracted by you, so to describe it. So you take the reins, Matt, come on, you explain it. So the way it works is we do a topic about a thing. The thing is the topic and it's different every week.

While regretting letting Matt do this. Generally speaking, it's a listener suggested topic. The way I do mine now is I put three suggestions out of our topic hat that have been submitted from the people and put them up on a poll for our Patreon subscribers to vote. And this week we hit a certain mark on our Patreon, whatever. So it meant that our most requested ever topic, hashtag, keen for pain, went up into the poll. You know, if we hit a certain amount,

we promised that people could vote on the topic, hashtag, keen for pain. Where did that start? I don't even remember what episode that was. I was about someone. Hashtag keen for pain. Yeah, but it was around hot for a tough time, but it wasn't hot for a tough.

I was back in our week before. I was really into hashtags. Yeah, you were very good at it, briefly. I've given up. Okay, well, don't. That was your superpower. Yeah, I reckon for maybe two or three weeks in a row. I've not necessarily lost.

I've given very little. Okay, well, that just, maybe if just changed focus, doesn't mean I don't have that skill still. Oh, that's good. Hashtag skill still. Thank you. Hashtag to cheese. It's not Oh, dude. What's Dave's no good at it? Nobody tweet to cheese So everybody tweet to cheese to at Jess and Scott. Oh fuck you

That's not I'm gonna edit that out cuz you're a asshole. I E-calling me at some sort of cheesy toe. No, I'm not I never would some sort of cheesy toe. No, I'm not. I never would. You're worse than that. Even worse. That's to cheese to at unscored just because so this week one of the topics I went into the hat was cane for pain. Normally I don't tell you. What does that mean? Well it was gonna you know gonna be up to me whatever I wanted to. I love it. Or whoever had to do it. It was me It was always gonna be me The other possibilities were the magic school bus and Jack the Ripper

Good topic ripping topic some could say well, so the my question you is in what audio do you think people voted? For those I think because knowing our those? I think, because knowing how this is... I can tell you the percentages. Okay, good, sure. 52.6% Oh, close. Close. 52.6, that's over half of a three-horse race.

Then 27.6, that's a pretty big difference. And 19.7%. Okay. Percent. But 52, like I honestly thought that one of these topics would maybe get in the high 80s. Yeah. Well, they are mean because they're good topic. Good topic. So some could argue that Matt was worried about doing keen vapines, so put in purposefully two good topics to try and sway the business. They're all good topics in that. But did that work? I popped them out. Well, to translate the business. They're all good topics in that work. I blocked them out. Well, that's the question. We know

our listening probably already knows because they looked at the title of the episode. We know our listeners and their love for serial killers. I know. But that said, they love for pain. Yeah. They're keenness for pain. And their love of school bus based 90s cartoons. I'll also be a little bit sad. The 90s cartoons. I'll also be a little bit sad. In this for pain, yes. I'll also be a little bit sad if somebody else gets to do a serial killer episode.

You've got them in up. So you got three. So you know the three. What's the order? What are your reckonin' it is, Jess? Starting at three. At three. Lace pop up.

So what was the lowest percentage? 19.7. So magic school bus. I agree with that. Okay, and second. Keen for pain. No, I think Jack the Ripper. And first. Jack the Ripper. And. Keen for pain.

Tone cheese. Wasn't enough today. Sorry. Sorry. I think the 52% of the people would have gone for Keen for pain. Two-hacken. All right. So one of you was wrong on all of them. Neither of you are right on all of them either. Of course. All right, can we have another one? Does that mean it's magic school, but I'm just the winner.

One of you was wrong for all of them, and the other one was right for some of them. We could sit here and make it happen have it would be so dull so the second on in second place i'll give you the magic school bus twenty seven point six so one in three oh no three round three fifteen nineteen point seven number one was jack the republican yes that's

right i know i said one of you was right no you said one of you was wrong and one of you was right. No, he said one of you was wrong and one of you was right on some of it. Well you got No, I didn't say that. I thought you were recording this. The guys that is another episode of the world's worst game show It's just the host getting it wrong and the listening of the contestant going no you that's wrong. I won the car I'm so sorry This is the host getting it wrong in the listening of the contestant going no you that's wrong. I won the car You were right, but you weren't entirely right. Dave was got every single one of them wrong I New you got some of them right. Oh, cuz I said magic school bus relief that I do beg your pardon I you just said it. I got everyone. I would like to say the listeners got it wrong

You fucked it. No, it was the lowest keen for pain was the lowest keen for pain I want to hear it. It will never go on the hat again. You fucked it patreon. You fucked it That's still in the hat. It might get plugged out another time. That's it. I'm doing it next week I want to talk about that It's funny though funny looking dicks because you know how you know how people can People can comment Oh people people can comment? People can comment, so... Passhtag funny looking tips.

Sorry about what are the comments? Someone said this one's a shoe in, keen for pain, slash longing for shlong. Lunguing for shlong. Longing for a slung. Longing for a slung. We had someone voted for... Someone voted for Jack the Ripper and there it come, it was just because I know everyone will vote for Keen for pain. So they don't get voted.

This is what happened at Brexit, the last vote. This is a Trump all over again. They'll vote leave because everyone will vote and I want to make a stand against the politicians how they are. And then everyone will protest vote. The protest vote a stand against the politicians how they are. And then everyone will vote. Proces vote. Proces vote backfired. Too many of them.

I imagine most of Patron saw the result and was gone. Can I change my vote? Yeah, I wanna change. Can we? Someone actually said no comments. That was worth commenting. I appreciate that. But yeah, a lot of people did say it was very tough,

but I think obviously the majority ended up going for Jack the Ripper Someone did say here. I'm interested to see how keen for a pain episode will turn out But serial killer episodes have been so good. I had to go with Jack the Ripper. Yeah, but do you think serial killer episodes have been so good because I present them so well. I think that's right and my biggest worry here Is that Matt will go skimp on the gore because he's the one that when we finish the episode I always goes I feel weird. Yeah. I feel weird now. I know. I'm definitely going to go. So, did you know what this guy did? I'm not going in the details of what he's... I want, well I'm assuming we're gonna find out a lot but like

Izzy is better at hate-homes who've built especially designed hotel for murdering. Yeah you definitely do these better. Look, let's see how we got it. Hey, start like that. I'm just kidding. You're going to be great. I believe in you. Someone does want to hear Dave say, hello, I'm Michael Cain and I'm Jack the Ripper.

Hello, I'm Michael Cain and I am Jack the Ripper. I'm going to kill you. They said, please note, this is the only reason I did not select keen for pain. But now do, hello, I'm Michael Cain, I'm keen for pain. Hello? No, terrible, terrible, let's go again. Try again.

Hello, I'm Michael Cain, an arm keen for pain. An arm going to kill you. You're not good. You're not good. You're not good. Great. Oh wow. How do you feel, Maddie? You excited? You pumped?

Did you enjoy researching this? Was this fun for you? No, look, it's fun. I found it very fascinating. Did you do it late at night? That's always good. Yeah, I did do it late last night. Yeah, great.

It was great fun. I don't know. I feel bigger pressure on these really popular ones because people would expect it to be good. 52% of people think this will be good. Anyway, let's crack on. In the late 1880s, did you have no idea when it was? I probably would have said 1800s or early 1900s. Well, he would have been right and then wrong.

I would have said late 1880s. That's what Dave would have said. Would he have been correct? You would have been right and then wrong. I would have said eight, late 1880s. That's what Dave would have said. Would he have been correct? He would have been bang on. Wow. Good Dave. Just repeated what Matt said. In the watchable area of London's ascend, it was becoming quite overcrowded.

There's a lot of migrants coming in from big Russia. Is your big Russia argument that he did them a favor? It was just doing a bit of a co- Like when we have too many rabbits. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's sort of getting off the top. There was a lot of people. A lot of people in.

What was the bigger Russia you called it? Big old Russia. Big old Russia. But yeah, I think there was a lot of Jewish migration because they were getting persecuted across big chunk of Russia. Hey, they're going to have a great time. That's not what I wanted to say.

Take that out. What does that mean? Crime became more common. So it became a bit slummy around this area in particular. It also led to many women becoming sex workers. There were many attacks against the sex workers in this area in the 1980s. So at first when these murdered...

18, 19, 19, 18s. Did I say 1980s? Yes, you did. Did I also write 1980s? Yes. I do this every time. I've done, I've done this my third episode about the 1870s or 1880s and every time of, anyway, there were many attacks against women in this area in the 1980s, which is not relevant, so I'll move on, but they're

also a lot in the 1880s as well. And due to all these murders at the time, it wasn't... So when you say text, people are dying. People are dying, yeah. So and sex workers are getting killed. Oh. And apparently, when the Jack the Ripper murders, this, what a murder started happening,

they weren't, the first one, they weren't like a huge surprise that it happened. It was just more how fucked up it was, that got people's attention. Which is, you know, a funny little liner draw. I mean, they're both pretty, I mean, you killed someone,

but at least you didn't do it in a fucked up way. But even now, like there are sensational cases when the crime's particularly horrific that it takes off in the media. Yeah Yeah, true. I think because we have that sort of fascination when serial killer. Absolutely nasty stuff. I don't know I mean you do and our listeners a lot of it. Most people you just said you were researching last this last night It was quite fascinating. It was quite fascinating I mean everything is when you read about something, isn't it? I always enjoyed researching these things.

Yeah, true. But due to the many murders at the time, it is also unclear how many were actually committed by the Ripper. Oh. The Ripper is also a great name. Oh. Like a good murderer name, you know? Yeah, I think that is part of the cell.

Like the zodiac killer we had last week. That sounds really cool. It's similar to the couple we're talking about. The boxing fights that everyone can remember. It just have great names. Yeah. The Rillar and Manila. The Rillar and Manila.

Just cool names. God, it's awesome. Yeah, but like if you call it... It's all branding. And also like Ripper in Australia is like a good thing. Ripper, Dipper. Bloody Ripper. That's great. So he's like Jack the Ripper.

He sounds like a cool dude. He's like, good guy. Yeah, you'd want Ripper around at your party. He makes every party fun. He makes it a bloody Ripper. Yeah. Are you bringing Jack? Jack's a Ripper.

Which Jack? Oh, Jack the Ripper. Ripper, yes. Maybe you'll kill some sex workers. Oh, Jack's a river. Which Jack? Oh, Jack, oh, river. Yeah. River, yes. Great, maybe you'll kill some sex workers. Oh, hang on. Not that one.

We're getting our jacks, so. Oh, God. No, I just mean the one who makes really good hummus. Oh, God, I've invited the wrong one on Facebook. Oh, no. How do you withdraw an invitation? Let's see what it made. Now we're all gonna die.

So there were the Scotland yard or the I mean it was there was a few different police crews who were investigating but obviously Scotland yards on the big ones and they they're investigation in these murders included 11 murders and it's not clear how many of them were done by Jack the Rippers, Jack the Rippers. There's a couple of the multiple people. Now it looks a new theory I just came up with as I misspoke and those 11 murders occurred between the 3rd of April, 1888 and the 13th of February, 1891. So three years. Three years. But of those 11, there's only five that are generally accepted to be

definitely the murder and almost like seeing the other ones aren't there. Different. Yeah. Then they don't have his some his sweet. M-O. M-O, yes. But then again, I mean, Zodiac killer had different emis. He said he had like 38 bloody claims. They're not sure. But yeah, I mean, yeah, but how do you know? How do you know? How do you know? Yeah, that's a, I mean, they got so much power when they're saying, now I did more than this.

Yeah. And then everything you say is sort of throwing people off the center of the bullshit. I think that often happens a lot though, they claim. Especially when they go to jail forever, they start claiming, oh, I've actually killed 45. Yeah, but you never get them. Yeah.

The thing is, it's just a bit of a last fuck you. Surely. Because usually they're in jail forever. Yeah, and they're also like, just trying, they're in, like the zodiac guy, he was seem to be enjoying having the cops on the wrong scent. Yeah. The taunting, yeah. Yeah, the taunting, yeah. Cool.

So those five murders that I called the Canon Nikol V, I haven't read that out yet, I've only read it a million times, the Canonical V. Canonical. Is that, would that be right? Fuck, I don't know, it's amazing. Canonical V? That can't be right. Canonical, how else would it be?

Canonical. How are you spelling it? Canonical. That's not it. C-A-N-O-N-I-C-A-L. I think that's canonical. Canonical, right? Well the canonical five.

Fuck, I love that word so much. Canonical. Canonical. It's fun isn't it? I enjoy that a lot. Hey, if you're listening at home, even if you're on a tram or some sort of train or in the car, have a ghost saying that out loud. Canonical.

Turn to the person on your right. Say canonical. Canonical to me, you. Canonical to you, sir. Okay, and we're back. Great. It sounds like a rejected boy band name. It's the canonical five. Teenage girls can not spell that.

Even just canonicals, pretty cool. Canonical. Sounds like a teen crime novel. Canonical. Canonical. Or a sci-fi series. Like an Artemis fowl thing. Yeah. I know those ones. Canonical. Artemis fowl. That's cool. I don't know what that means.

Hey. Well, that's because you were born in 1880. You were eight years old. Where were you the first one? Can you give you whereabouts the night of the canonical five? I wasn't born in 1880. It's born in 1883 Round up. No, I ran down. Oh boy. I ran down for human So yeah, the Ripper's motor-sopper and I, M-O, is basically just being a fuckhead, but it also includes killing people in a pretty brutal way, a lot of stabbing and gutting

the bowling. That's not a disembowling. Disembowling is a... Well, well not fully not always but he horrible work I'm using that more than the general sense I don't know if he always took the bow out, but he did take he would he would take some stuff Oh, and he and I was big jacket like more brutal than required sure and I was also This is like Involved in in involving sex places. Okay, yeah. More brutal than required.

Can you give me the minimum brutality required? I mean, the minimum would be to just kill them. Kill them. So no disembelling at all. Yeah. Are you serious? That's a minimum, dad. That's the, I mean, you're asking for the minimum. All right, well, what's the maximum? The maximum. How much disembowling? Just wearing their skin as a cape. As a bow. I don't.

I'm not enjoying myself. Wearing that bow as a cape. I am a superhero. Bowman. Bowman! Flipping in the wind. There was a heavy metal band in a... I think there were a Melbourne heavy metal band in the 90s called Bowman. And I always thought that was a heavy metal band in a, I think there were a Melbourne heavy metal band

in the 90s called Bail Mell. And I always thought that was a great metal name. That's a pretty good, Bail Mell. I think canonical is a good metal band name. Yeah, canonical. canonical Bail. Oh, sorry, Bail Mell, I've just got a canonical Bail the moment.

I've gone on any Bail Mell, because it's all right. I just can't drink much. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha drink much. It plays up my canonical battle. Oh god. Well then two beers in and you'll know better. You'll smell it. You'll all smell it.

You'll, what a threat. You'll all smell it. You'll see. You'll live to regret my canonical battle. You went for me like a friend and a pet of Ed and the bar or a Sunday who like who just isn't having a big one because you Not feeling well to like an evil villain like you'll all see fuck you. It's a day. We just have a beer. That's fine Sorry, I get touched about my conical bow. Don't get touched your engine The first victim in the white chapel murders

So this is what they're sort of broadly termed at that stage. The White Chapel murders was Emma Smith. This wasn't one of the canonical five. This was the first one in this police file. Sure. So her name was Emma Smith. She was robbed of views unless left for dead in Osborne Street, White Chapel on the 3rd of April 1988. 1888. Fuck sake, I've genuinely... 19. I've written the letter.

I have, I think I might be the only person who was ever affected by the Millennium book. I can't handle the century changing. It just, everything clicks around a 19 year. We are in 1916 right? No Maddie. We're not even in the 20th century. We're not even in 2016. It's such a weird thing for me to suck it. It's quite a while ago. Oh boy. We've lost him. So Smith didn't die at this. I was worried that you guys might not have been able to be cheerful amongst all this death, but that hasn't been an issue.

Not a problem at all, but because unlike you, we know they've been dead for 130 years, not just 30 years. I'm still mourning the loss. God, it was in a decade where I was alive. He's still out there, we could catch him. David and I are like, long gone, they don't exist. So she didn't die at the scene. She was found alive and taken to hospital.

So she was able to describe her attackers to the police. And the reports that she said that it was either two or three men. And she died the following day. Oh, awful. Apparently one at one of them, a teenager's also, just fucking, I mean it's all fucking. Oh it's all fucking, and yes we're able to make fun of it, but it's still awful.

Of course it is, it's horrendous, but it's, because it's so far, it's so long ago, sometimes it can kind of feel like it's just a plumber. Hey these could have been your great, great grand. It could have. Maybe. I don't know. I have no disrespect.

God, why don't bring it to my attention. So that murder was, uh, is often linked to the later murders, but not, um, it's, it's, it's, it's generally seen as not being canonical. But there was three, do it. Three do it. I should end the three. But it, but, uh, not many of the other, or none of the following ones ever were able to speak to the victim. So maybe the all of the three.

Yeah, who knows, and that's the funny thing what I think about when people like, I've got an alibi there. It's like, yeah, but if you're working in a team or something, you've got an alibi for one murder in a serial killer's run of murders. It's like, what if you were switching around or whatever? Yeah. I don't know. Teamwork, how about it? Yeah, it really is better. I think, but there isn't there one general rule that serial killers tend to do their fucked

up stuff alone, although not in... I think so. Well, then usually not very mentally balanced, so they're probably not the best people to work in teams. Teamwork. But then again, like, you know... And they're resume. But the couple's do it sometimes.

It's also just less work. It's sort of like how on this podcast, like, because there's three of us, you only have to do work every third week. You know how much quicker it is to disembowel someone with three people? So much faster. I mean, you only have to disembowel once, one in three. faster. I mean you only have to disembow once one in three weeks.

One it was three weeks. Oh, so good. That's great. But you have to disembowel three people to get three capes. So, so for two murders one person, well until the third murder one person is walking around with no cape while their friends have one which is very you have to work at the hierarchy. With the cape thing.

I don't know. I mean, obviously you're a smaller man. Yeah. Do you need a smaller bow? Yeah. Oh, the bell must fit. If the bell fits. If the bell fits.

If the bell fits. As the old saying goes. That's why they had to kill 11 people to get three bells that fit. Right. Okay, so yeah, it's more. They had projected bows. Every time they left a bow, that's because it didn't make a good cape. Right. Obviously, there's a bit of collateral damage here. But eventually, there were three well-fitting bows.

Backpapes. They are the canonical trio of bows. Okay, solved. Next, Magic School Bus. Came to pain. The next murder was that of Martha Tabrum, who was killed on George Yard on the 7th of August 1888. So a few months beyond... He said the year I... That was a good man. I genuinely am just reading it.

Good job. I'm a... Anker Man, man. Ron Bergen. I'm Ron Bergen. Very good. Tabron was stabbed 39 times. So that, I would call that excessive.

That's more than needed. Okay, I'd agree. A couple of steps in the right place will probably do it. Yeah, so what do you think the minimum is two? No, well, I think the bare minimum is one. One well placed stab. So it is 39 times the bare minimum is one. Oh. One well placed stab, but it doesn't job. So it's 39 times the bear minimum.

Yeah. Wow. Done too much work. Too much. But I mean, if it's three people, what does that make? So the brutality of the murder has some people in the past and even now linking it with the canonical five, but the wounds differ greatly from those murders, which has many other experts separating this murder

as an unrelated. Last but not least, the five yet. It's not into the five, no. So there were a couple in the file of the 11, there were a couple, then there were the five, and then there was small. But do you think was she the subject of the Beatles song Martha my dear?

Yes. Got it. Good question. Next question. You said that there were sex workers being murdered at the time. I don't know if you know this. But was this particularly brutal, even if this is not part of the canonical

Like that someone kills on the 39th st Yeah, that's that's full on not I think normally it would be like it's just a it's a murder. Maybe it's a Like it's not a pre-plan like Yes, something's gone wrong. We know I you look you know I was an actually love and I was born a couple years after like I'm coming out. Oh, yes, something's gone wrong, you know. I, you look, you know, I wasn't actually alive and I was born a couple of years after. So I don't remember entirely, but. But this probably would still make the newspaper right?

Some of being stupid. Yeah, so these were, these were newsworthy murders, for sure. I mean, they probably all did, but they just didn't get the same sort of hype. Imagine if I got murdered and it didn't even make the news. Maybe pissed off. That'd be so annoying. Because like, unless it was a particularly interesting murder, like I don't, I'm not a celebrity or anything, like there's nothing that would do. Yeah, people get on the

knees all the time for being murdered. Yeah, but... Fucking hacks. It's number one benefit of being murdered. Melbourne podcaster, Jess Perkins was murdered. Yes. I can see that. Who would care? Melbourne customer care agent, Jess Perkins was murdered. Ah. Melbourne asked, asked prod, don't want to keep us mad.

Melbourne director, Matt Stewart was murdered, sounds pretty good. It is, front page. 100-year-old man dies. What's your old man like? Life continues. Big brackets, slownies, too. Nice even number though, Jess.

I'd be great to make it 100, wouldn't it? If I don't, I'll be so pissed. OK, so this gets us up to the canonical. Oh, canonical. Also, do you know what the word canonical means? I think it means like canon, right? Canon is like the... Yeah, canon is like your...

The canon of work. Sure. So it's his canon. It's like his portfolio. Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. His filmography of murder. Excellent.

Do go on. The first of these was Mary and Nichols. Her body, I'm just sort of going to go through the details, probably on these. Her body was found in the early morning hours of the 31st of August 1888. The second is Annie Chapman. Annie. Her body was found on the morning of the 8th of September, so... Like a week later.

Yeah, about a week later. It's a fast mover. She had cuts. Cuts are probably an under-save admittedly, but she had a scratch. She had a very similar incisions and cuts and stuff to Nichols. She was found to have had her uterus removed and a witness later described seeing Chapman with a dark head man approximately

half an hour before her body was found. Ugh, half an hour, geez. This is quite, yeah, so that's a pretty good bet that that guy might have been the guy. Eaterous move. Can you say I'm sitting like... Oh. Oh.

It's like protecting something. Oh, my organs, all of them. Oh. Dave, you don't have a Eaterous. I'm never... But I have organs. You don't have to hold your... Okay, yeah, look after your organs.

But, P.S., don't treat me differently just because I don't have Eaterous. That is pretty offensive. I'm sorry, you're absolutely right. I'm really sorry that I've been said that. That was really mean of me. The third of the canonical five victims is Elizabeth Stride, who was founded around 1am on the 30th of September. So a few weeks later now.

So three in a month? Three in a month? Three in a month. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. His five are all done quite quickly. It was yeah This murder was slightly different to the others as there weren't any abdomen

Mutilation great was it But and due to this some people dispute that strides murder should be assigned to the Ripper Some say that it it's different. He didn't they're the right it shouldn't it shouldn't be it shouldn't be yeah But then it's like it like a weird art dealer authenticating something. Yeah, this is not a van Gogh There's not enough stab wounds And it's a bit yeah, it's a bit like that. This is just some sort of cheap knockoff murder I wouldn't pay more than 10,000 pounds for this murder. I'll take it.

But for a real rip, oh, there was at least 10 million pounds. I've seen authentic rip. Oh my goodness, this is the last rip. I don't think it's actually the kind of logical, six-year-old find. A very common theory is that he was interrupted, and that is why he didn't get around to the- That's right. To the cow root.

He's fine-ranked. Yeah, I've really gotta take this off. Hey, hi, mum. No, I'm not doing anything. What do you have to? I wonder why my panties just I just, I just go back to my jog. Apparently, so the man that she was seen with, the guy who saw the man was with some friends and there is a bit of a conjecture about how he actually looked.

Some said light hair, some said dark hair, and that sort of stuff. So, it's, there's a guy, but it's hard to say exactly what is deal was. We've narrowed it down to 50% of the population. That's pretty good. That's all right. It was ruled out late, well, we ruled out kids. Yeah, there's obviously some sort of man. He's a man.

It's some sort of man. Oh, but unless it's two kids or the trench coat. Oh, not again. With light and dark hair. Yeah. That makes sense. That does make sense. There we go.

We got him. But he did kill this Emma's, sorry, stride, is he name? Elizabeth. Elizabeth stride. Elizabeth stride. He got maybe interrupted, but he did still murder this woman. Yes. She did die, man. She was dead, she was fully dead when found.

So I don't want to get too graphic here, but at most of the time, they're dying and then he's sort of stabbing him more or like cutting bits out of them more. I think, yeah, I mean it's all the doctors are fine in the body and these are pretty old school doctors, but I think it's hard to guarantee, but I think they believe that it was all happening. One of them I definitely read the doctor said that he believed they were alive for all of the stabbings.

Oh, I'm really glad I asked that question. Yeah, thanks for that, Dave. I just thought Matt wouldn't be goring up unless we pushed him, and now I regret everything. Yeah, there's a lot of things in my head that I haven't written down and I didn't want to, but... I'm still just holding myself like protecting organs. But you were protecting the non-essentials. You've got your bloody heart up there.

Yeah, that's better. Now she's covering her heart. You're what about your brain? That's not essential. As I've proven in the last 26 years, thank you. The fourth victim is Catherine Edo's. Edo's. Edo's. She was also killed in the early morning of the 30th of September. Oh, two. Oh, just so maybe he interrupted the first one. All right, I'm gonna go again to finish that one I need my cape. Oh yeah I need a bell cape. So Edo's body was found less than an hour after strides. Oh Jesus

And her body had more of the telterrepa signs um with a major puddle of uterus having been removed Major part. A major part, a big chunk of it. Oh no. Oh, but like an amulator. Yeah, so he's just like. He's just gone straight on another one. Wow.

Oh, you're pretty good at doing that. That's sick. And I don't mean like, yeah, sick. I mean like gross, sick. Do you know what I mean? Like the original meaning of the word sick. Sick is a hot, well sick is a hard word, isn't it? Because I could mean like ill, like a cold.

Could also mean, ah, sick, like fun, cool. In this case, I mean sick as in disturbing. Sickening. Sickening, thank you. Yes, that's what I was going for. See, brain no work. I don't need it, you've got a heart. Well, the fifth victim of the canonical five, still such a great phrase, is Mary Jane Kelly.

Kelly's mutilated and disemboweled body was found in the room where she lived at 10.45 am on the 9th of November 1888. Most of the organs had been removed from her abdomen and her heart was taken from the scene. No! Wait, so the organs have been removed but just left around? Some of them, yeah. Oh yeah, but he took the heart. Yeah, there was some. There was something that was left on his shoulder or something weird stuff on the pillow. Oh, yeah!

So apparently that one was the most fucked of all the scenes. The cops coming in, apparently that one was the most fucked of all the same like cops coming in apparently that was quite Even for like you know grizzly old-school cops 1800s cops was like this is Like just grab a liver and go let's put out there Yeah, you don't need this also. I wouldn't know how to remove anything like that So maybe does that mean that they are some sort of surgical- That has been a theory that's come up all over soon?

But- But were the other ones in their own homes? No, all the other ones were out, out and about, out in the street or out the back. Were they all sex workers? Yeah, all sex workers. So you just add on the street like that, like they're an alien stuff like that.

Presumably, yeah. But they've all happened, you know, they're overnight sort of stuff. It's, they're all happening late at night. It's a pretty risky. I suppose obviously number three did get scared. Yeah, that's right. So, and the last one was in her,

on her bed, in her one bedroom apartment, sort of thing, or a one room apartment. So, she should have had two rooms. He could have a one room apartment. So she should have two rooms. He could have been in the other room, and she could have been safe. I know, yeah. Because that's how it works, right? Yeah, it also.

You can have a second room. It's like a secret room where the killer gets trapped. Yeah. Do you guys have one of those? Yeah. My housemates room. The killer was trapped in my housemates room. Why did you, why do you live with a killer? Yeah, is your house

made safe? I don't know. The killings only happened because there was only one room in there just they fought a lot. Oh man, it's claustrophobic in those old England houses. I bet it would have been slummy houses. Oh god, sometimes all you have some pieces you're off and you're just like, well I'm just gonna remove every one of your organs. Then we'll see who will pay the electricity on time next time. Hmm. Hmm. We're all thinking it So that was the last of the canonical five murders Kelly is generally considered to be the Ripper's last victim The assumption being that his crimes ended because of his death in Prisman Institutionalization or immigration, you know basically

imprisonment, institutionalization or immigration, you know, basically, basically no one thinks that he just suddenly realized that killing was bad. Yeah, hang on. Hang on a second. Oh no, what I meant to be doing is buying them flowers. I always get those two mixed up.

And fuck that again. It's like the time I disemboweled Mum on Mother's Day. Sorry, Mum. And that was you putting Mum on your head? Oh no, I was just you adjusting your headphones. I thought you were acting it out. Okay, it's better. What was I putting on my head, the cape?

I thought you were Mum? I thought you were Mum cape. Anyway, this is fucked. But maybe he could have read about himself in the paper and been like oh I'm being very misunderstood here. It's just being taken well out of context. This is art Yeah, I was gonna say this art project is so misunderstood. Well, I'm just gonna move on to painting then whatever I thought you said it was crowded

Yeah, I'm trying to help yeah, I was trying to recycle their parts as capes So here are some things that link the murders together, those five. They're all committed after dark in the early morning hours. They all occurred between Friday and Sunday. Oh, it's just one weekend. It's so me. So that's what a lot of people think that he's probably either a professional or something

like that. He's got other shit on during the week. He needs his eight hours. He can't be up murdering and I like that. He's got other shit on during the week Yeah, which isn't he needs his eight hours. He can't be up murdering and oh my god God people would catch on when he was tired. I bet he's an accountant just quietly Yeah, that is a very good that makes that makes perfect sense. Yeah, they're always buddy ripping our hearts out I was fucking I sent my guts I'm fucking I sent the guts But he disembailing my bank check you scumbags So that's the text department I'm talking about fucking us in the guts all involved

Hashtag fucking the guts also each Each murder was a little bit more fucked up than the one before a little bit more So maybe growing confidence or something like that apart from the one where he's he was thought to have been interrupted just I was so I want to stop the podcast and acknowledge that the the thing that's got the fun work of a tax account. I want to actually say the thing that's got the biggest like a bad reaction so far out of all the murdering and gutting has been to tease at the start of the episode. You were like no, no, stop talking about that day. Oh gutting, oh that's fine, well there are a lot of life. I've been holding my my body, I'm like holding my ribcage. I've been holding my toes for 30 minutes

now. I would eat it, I would eat it. If it tasted that good. Yuck day. And it didn't kill you. Stop it! There is still a lot of conjecture as to whether the canonical fire victims were all... It's so funny if someone knows how that's meant to be pronounced. And it's just increasingly getting... Yeah, it's just a hundred times. Canonical.

But it sounds great. Like how else could it be? Canonical. Canonical. Canonical. Canonical. Canonical. Canon think it sounds like caninecho. They use an Italian word to describe the English syrup. That's more of any. Caninecho. That does the best. Like when you shoot that accident,

you like pull your mouth back in a really... Yeah, you show all your like when you shoot that accent, you like pull your mouth back into really. Yeah, you show all your teeth when you do accents. It's like, it's the same when you say, fashion, fashion. It just really bears these bottom teeth, it's great. Can I leave you, she'll. I think canonical five sounds like a tint in adventure. It sounds like, yeah, like an A Eden Blot in adventure or something like that.

A different thing but similar. So there is still conjecture as to whether the five victims were all murdered by the same killer. There was an author, Stuart P. Evans and his mate Donald Rumbolo. And they... They wrote the book together. They wrote the book together. They have said, Definitely not friends though,

professional acquaintances. Got a acquaintance, what? Much like us. Yeah, we worked together for the money. They said that the canonical five is a Ripper myth. That's a bloody Ripper myth. It's a Ripper myth. Yeah, it is.

You read that within Australia. What a Ripper myth. That is one of the best myths. Hey, what's your favorite myth? My favorite myth. Yeah. Is it the canonical five? I think it's actually the female orgasm. That's another one of the examples of a date I said, joke for something. What is it like? I mean, Jesus, locked it. Oh, locked it. Locked it. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool.

We talked about the Bimida triangle, that was a fun one. Not swimming for half an hour after eating. Yeah, I did. That's one of my favorites. Anyway, they've called it a rhythm, and they reckon that only three of the cases, Nichols Chapman and Edo's can be definitely linked together, and that they... So is it canonical trio? That's what they reckon.

That is canonical three. They are much less certain about Strion Kelly. Others suggest that the canonical five plus tabrum were the work of the river. Ah, canonical six. Yeah. plus tab room with a work of the river. Oh, canonical six. Yeah, so there's a lot of... a lot of... a lot of conjecture. Conjecture.

Conjecture. Conjecture. Conjecture. Conjecture five. This might surprise you, there was a huge police effort to find the killer. That is surprising. They conducted house-to-house inquiries.

Could I bet? Knocked on some doors. Bit of old school police work. Bit of this. Uh, uh, hello. Hi there. Uh, uh, I'm Constable Barrows from the police. It's good to know.

Yes, uh, uh, do you have a fucking wine? Otherwise, get the fuck out of here, you piece of shit. Wow, okay. That's good to know. Anyway, uh, sorry. I'm sorry, you're gonna just stand there. I'm chatting to my house mate. Hey, can we get a second room? What why don't you like sharing your bed? No, and I also wanted I wanted to maybe start killing you want to kill

Yeah, are you still here? I said start killing officer. Yeah, that's right. We are not if there's a six-meter That's us what it canonical five so you do know about the canonical five? Hang on. Putting words on my mouth here. Yeah. I never mentioned the canonical five. You just said you wanted to start murdering and then you mentioned the murders that I have come here to ask. Yeah but then you I mean you came here and you said hey do you want to talk about the canonical five? I said I'm constantly embarrassed from the police and you told me I'm gonna fuck off. I don't think the Java recording of that officer. Yeah, I do. Well, I don't think you do because I don't exist yet. Oh, now you know that I know about them as well, but fuck you. You don't have it. You don't got me.

Would you like to come in for some toaches? No, thank you. It's really nice. That's disgusting. It tastes really good and will always's disgusting. It tastes really good. And we'll always be disgusting. It tastes really good. Yeah. You'll see in 120, 30 years, people will enjoy this. No, nobody will ever. But what if it's really good?

31 years, I think you went though. And you went though, thank you. Okay, moving on. There was, I like it. So in these door knocks, they interviewed more than 2,000 people. Whoa. And they investigated something like 300 suspects. Wow. That means that what?

Oh, he's mapping. Vagely, one and six and a half people, they're like, well this guy's suspicious, I don't trust him. And then of those 3 hundred eighty people were detained eighty people there's that many white dudes who knew section of the public lost patients with the lack of results I don't know if you know that at the time they didn't get a result weird and still haven't but section of the public lost patience without, and a group of volunteer citizens got together and called themselves the White Chapel Vigilance Committee. They patrolled the streets and hired private detectives to question witnesses independently.

Due to the nature of the killings, men who worked in jobs such as butchers and surgeons were suspected. 76 butchers and slaughterers were investigated, but it seems they all had alibis. They're just professional slaughterers, you know, and they were eliminated pretty quickly. Well, they just like, it's like the inquiry. It's like chefs going home. Don't want to cook, you know, a slaughterer going ahead. I don't want a slaughter. Yeah, I just want to relax

I'm okay with me. I want to read a book Yeah, whatever they did back there. I don't leave this studio and go home and start podcasting about other serial killers Oh my god. I God no, I did do that. I imagine I could get a few downloads because people love serial killers Yeah, we should change this entire podcast to just to be that Syruqy. One and two. I don't think I'd enjoy doing it anymore. It's not about you, Matt.

It's about the downloads. It's about downloads. Thank you. That's what these whole things about. Come on, Matt. Come on, mate. Jump on, God. I forgot.

I remember now. So we're done. The down low is that we need more downloads. Not your best. I don't when Jess is mean. I just said we needed a catchy catchphrase. I liked it. Thank you. I liked it and Jess made me feel uncomfortable when she shot you down. A little boy and doing his best. Thank you. Which wasn't good enough admittedly. But still did you have to say it to him?

Yeah because how else will he hold? He won't. He never will will we'll say in that time and time again you're a worse than a serial killer you're a dream killer whoa you just disembowled my dreams wow and warm as a cap warm as a dream cape you've got a dream cape she's got him up it he's she's got your dream bells up in her room is a dream catcher it's a dripping bell it's It's catching, no, you dream bales. Not your bloody real bales. It's catching, it's not dripping anything. It's catching, dream bales. I don't know what that means,

but I guess it's really caught itself in a loop. Apparently some people at the time had a theory that the pattern of the murders indicated that the Ripper might have been a butcher or cattle drove her on one of the cattle boats that sailed between London and Europe because of the times they were there and back. And he was there, he'd murdered then he'd be gone for a certain week or so. Like I reckon there was a series that it might have lined up.

And it made some sense because Whitechappel was really close to the docks, and those boats usually docked on a Thursday or Friday and departed on a Saturday or a Sunday. And he was doing them Friday the Sunday. And he's downtime. So, everyone's got to have a release, mate. Even he could have been like, you know, just get it catching up on some sleep, cleaning his knives. You know, just like the admin sort of life stuff you got to do. Yeah, keeping people's in small businesses accounts up to date. Can I count? Because he's one of those scum people.

I said it in a real nice. I like it. Yeah, it's great. I got it. Took me maybe six or seven more words and required. As per the Stuart usual. As per. As per. Do talk some shit. Fact. The cattle boats were examined but the dates of the murders did not coincide. So their theory was just absolutely wrong. No it was wrong but, I like the sound of it. It sounds like it.

And all the things I was reading, I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. There's a lot of, yeah, this line's up, and this line's up, and this line's up, and they checked it, and it's definitely not true. It's like, no. I thought we were getting close. I thought somehow this paragraph and this website might lead you.

Well, I do it. Yeah, but no. One name that came up in the police investigation when they were talking to the sex workers of the area, kept coming out with leather apron. Was this weird dude? What? What? This is, it was the nickname they gave him because this weird dude wearing a leather apron

who'd hang around and he'd bash sex workers if they didn't pay him. He was, I think, if they didn't pay him. He was, I think he- If they didn't pay him. If they didn't pay him, because he's just like, basically mugging them almost. But I think the root, like the scam is that he's like, protection money. I'm protecting this patch.

You owe me money, otherwise, if you don't want to pay for my protection then, yes. I'll gut you. Yeah, crazy. But so that name came up a lot. They didn't have a name or any specific details about it But that's what they call them. No leather apron. Let it sound so silly, right? At no point in any context would I trust a man wearing a leather apron? If you're in 1888 and a lot of people wore leather apron And a lot of people will live that I...

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Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu Who's wearing leather aprons? I'll talk about one specific one a second, but it's not that common if you can talk to the guy. It's the guy that wears shoes. Well I've got a shoe man. That's a good point but I think I've seen a shoe man. I think it's like the shoes are very specific work shoes that you normally take off after you leave Ah, work shoes, man

Yeah, if it's like I'm just going, what is he working with? You're on flip flops, it's winter Yeah, that's sort of thing So people wearing the leather aprons at their place will do Oh, but he's wearing on the box Like a blacksmith He's wearing a leather apron Would a blacksmith wear with?

They wear an apron of some kind when they would be leather, not a no Could be, not sure Probably not Probably just chainmail Look, I haven't done a report on the leather would a blacksmith wear what they wear in apron of some kind when they would be leather. Not a no. Could be, not sure. Probably not, probably just chain mail. Look, I haven't done a report on leopard apron, Jess. They probably just wear one of those aprons that has like a lady's bikini body on it. Yeah.

They just a bit bloody fun. Right? Or one that just keeps the cook, stop it. All right. Oh yeah. I would like to point out that I once and then they got bashed by a man wearing a bow tie on the streets Really? What did you do to provoke that fight? Oh?

Notice I assume it's your fault. Yeah. I have been it James Bond. Yeah, what a what was it? Was it like a bouncer at a really swish nightclub? No, you just can been kicked out from my crime was being on the streets of Newcastle. Oh New South Wales. Oh, okay. Both roughish. Yeah, it's an old industrial town and he asked me for a $1 and I did not have a $1 and then he pushed me over and I fell off a curb and I was, at the whole time I was thinking, I'm being mugged by a man wearing a bow tie. Was he a bathroom attendant? No, he's just a dude in the street. And he refused to tip him.

He liked it, he looked normal and fine. No, he was high as a kite. Right, no, but I mean, was he like a really rough, dirty looking person who happened to be wearing a bow tie? Or he looked fine, normal, but he was on something. On something, yes. And then luckily I was near a pub and there was a bandsaw

at the front and he just came out and this is so good. He just went, hey, no, no. And they got like a dog on the boat. So good. The respondent went, oh, okay, and left. He yelped and ran away. Wow. That's how he's like.

So I will say that the man that shot two pack who they never found was wearing a bow tie. And I think it may have been the same man. Probably. New castle. That bounce has saved your life. You could have been two pack. If that guy had been two pack when he was being drive by, it just yelled no.

No. Get out of it. Get out of it. Get out of it. The guy would have kept driving. I'm sure of it. The guy would have kissed, kept driving. I'm sure of it. No. But what I want to say is that just because people are wearing silly outfits, AKA a leather apron does not mean that they're not capable of hurting people. That was the point of that story. So this guy that the sex workers were naming leather

apron, they were confident. Well, I'm collectively talking about all the sex workers in the area, but as it was reported. Speaking on their behalf, A. Yeah, in a way. Well, Matt did live at that time and interview them firsthand. So they were really confident this was the guy. Because they couldn't give him too much info. It seemed like it might have been hard to find him. But a policeman named Sergeant William Thick found a lead. Apparently, oh, he found a lead. Apparently, he was aware of a guy who was known as Leather Apron.

I found a lead. What's the lead? I went to school with a guy that wore an apron. But he was actually... I know him. He's my next-door navel, it's bad. This guy, a local shoemaker, had the nickname whether apron around the community, if you said, we're going over to leather aprons place. I'm not sure if that's where it goes. Shit, shit, Nickbanz.

It's so weird, isn't it? And also, like if you're going around murdering people, try to blend in a little better. You know, like, you don't want to be like, where are you known for wearing something here? Unless, unless you're framing someone. Oh. Which I'm not suggesting at all, but that'd be the only reason

right. So you reckon the real Jack's Ripper said, Hey, you would look really cool if you reinvented yourself and always wore a leather apron. And then he did. And now everyone thinks it's leather apron. So are you thinking framing him? Maybe. Wow. Wow, you thinking framing him? Wow Wow

You just blew this case why don't you like all those women's abdomens So Sergeant thick Sergeant thick name this local shoemaker who was also known by the nickname leather apron this local shoemaker who was also known by the nickname leather apron. Jesus. It's very silly. His real name was John Pyser. John or another version of John. Jack.

Jack. Yeah. I think of that suggestion, so he wasn't known as Jack the Ripper yet. I would have loved it if he'd been called leather apron killer. Yeah, that's better. That is sort of one of Jack the Ripper's nicknames is leather apron. Oh wow. Are you serious? I've never heard it. I've never heard it either, but I found it interesting because the first I saw of it, the first

I came up was like, some I can't talking about leather apron without any explanation. Like what is going on? Am'm meant to know what that means Yes, you are so and will you talk that talk through they're not calling him Jack the River. Yeah, so is that right? That's right. Yeah, we'll go get to that soon So yeah, he was sort of known as the basically the white chapel murderer. I think you're Yeah He hadn't become a full legend as yet. What a legend.

He is not full-ripper yet. So, Semi-ripper? So when they were following up this lead, right, John Jack Pyser, but the information was leaked to the press somehow, and the star newspaper ran an article that read, leather apron. The only name linked to the white-chubble murders Yeah, that's just if I read that I would be like that is gibberish. What does that mean? What? Those did someone extra extra leather apron named is Jack the Ripper wait

What what what I said leather apron name this Jack the Ripper Okay, let's just alright young man. Here we go. You've been, they've been giving you some that moon shine again. Yes, I love it. It's Christmas time. I was gonna say what day is this? The article went on to emphasize the suspects Jewish appearance, which led to a sharp increase

in anti-Semitism. Oh, that feels racist. It was already, apparently, it was already brewing a bit as well, but... Because there'd been a lot of Jewish immigration, right? Yes. So they're... Yeah, okay. And that was fleeing persecution.

Yes. Oh, fuck. And then it comes somewhere else and it's like, no. No one will let the rapids before the Jewish immigration, so. Yeah, but no, it was Jewish immigration so yeah it was a fact there's no evidence that proves otherwise so yes you're correct I did read somewhere that it was very it was big in the Jewish community the leather apron thing as a as a as workwear yeah I was just kidding but all right Pazer was arrested by thick but was clear of suspicion when it turned out that he had strong alibis for two of the murders.

Tudu! Well, at this stage they hadn't been, this is sort of mid, this in September still, so they had no- Alright, so he had an alibi for two of the murders. I love one of them. One of them was, he was staying with relatives, which is obviously pretty good alibi, but the other one is just almost too perfect that it feels like it's set up pretty.

Their time, the other murder, he was chatting with a police officer while watching a big fire on the London docks. Right. Just chatting to the other, but she's got a great looking fry. I don't look at this. Hey, just take a look at me. You know, I just take what time is it, and you got the date there. You're aware of my name, right? Yeah. Am I the jacket? Hey, just take what time is it and you got the date there?

You're aware of my name, right? Yeah, my address? Yeah, my address? It's me, leather apron. Oh, no worries, sir. Good to see you. Hey, police officer, can you just take note of this? Hey, over there, sorry, can you just take a photo of us together?

Can you just hold the newspaper from today? Extra extra leather apron named as Jack the Ripper. Thank you. I don't know what that means, Ana. Gibberish. Gibberish. The journalism these days, my friend. The star is his bullshit. After examining one of the victims and also all the post-mortem notes from the other four canonical murders, police surgeon Thomas Bond was asked to give his opinion

on the extent of the murder's surgical skill and knowledge. Tom Bond. Good people were thinking, yeah, this is guys are surgeon, or is it just a weapon or what? Is he just looking away? What do you think, do you think that's true sort of thing? And this is what Bond said. He wrote that all five murders, no doubt,

were committed by the same hand. So that was one thing he noticed. But he strongly opposed the idea that the murderer had any anatomical knowledge. And that's how I can... Or even the technical knowledge of a butcher or a horse slaughterer. Wow.

So he's sort of like, this guy... He's just ripping away. You're horse slaughterer. Wow. So he's literally on this guy He's just ripping away. Yeah, he's just like that. He's just like that. He's just like that. He's just like that. He's just like that. He's just like that. He's just like that.

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You all killed human beings. Stop winking. So no surgical skill. Yeah, nice. Okay, if I give you a could everybody and still talk about it like they none of these things are like everyone's on board. Yeah, everything is like I disagree with this. This guy definitely believes this and then there's a whole bunch of other people good now that they're wrong. Yeah sure. I think these were a kind of famous part of it and definitely helped with the myth of it all that they got.

There were a lot of letters supposedly written by the Ripper during the time and after. Why am I imagining him in a yellow raincoat? Is that a thing? You're thinking of padting some bear. Ah, I get those two. Could be the old time. Gumboots, right? It was got both Londoners, but yeah. I'm patting them. I'm patting them were a blue duffelcoat.

Oh fuck. I'm sure at some point he's worn a yellow one. Yeah, think about that day. Am I crazy? Wasn't there something about Jack's ripel wearing it? But that would be silly, because if you'd stand out in a yellow coat. You're thinking of leather apron.

Ah, yes. Well, the thing is, no one really knows who he is if you may well have, and you might have seen, if you saw a fictional account of it, maybe they... Definitely, yeah. Just him up that way. Over the...

No, Matt, I've seen the real thing. I saw a documentary where they interviewed Jack the Ripper. And they had... Was he wearing a yellow raincoat? Matt, just be there. Oh, look, I can't. I'm sorry. He'll eat and do your research if you don't know who you did it.

Well, that certainly didn't do great research, to be honest. I don't know if that's come through at all. No, it's been good. So, yeah, so there were three particular letters that became quite famous or infamous. So many were seen as being fakes like straight off the bat. It's a create term, I think. Baseball. Just keep talking.

They both use bats. During the time of the murders and investigation hundreds of letters claimed to have been written by the killer himself received many of these were fakes. But three of them have become quite famous. They are the deer boss letter. Oh yeah it's known as the deer boss letter. I want I'll read it in a second maybe you can figure out how I got the name deer boss. I can't wait. It was dated 25th of September 1888. Signed deer boss. That's my guess. It was mailed to the Central News Agency and forwarded to Scotland Yard and

Important to know before I read it out at this stage the Jack the Ripper Monica didn't exist, okay? So it the letter reads De-boss Okay, also I haven't said anything you start off the bat. He's gone for an accent. I love it Now you've got to commit to the whole letter. All right. That's a fucker. All right. De-boss I'll keep on hearing they I'll keep on hearing the police have caught me, but they won't fix me just yet. I've laughed when they look so clever and talk about being on the right track. That joke about lever-opened gamey real fits.

I'm down on hauls, and I shan't quit ripping them till I do get buckled. Oh yeah, Graham worked the last job was. I'll go to the lady no time to squeal. Oh my God. I haven't thought this through. How can they catch me now? I love my work and I want to start again. You will soon hear of me with my funny little games. I saved some of the proper red stuff in a ginger beer bottle over the last job to write with, but it went fit like glue and I can't use it. He fucked up trying to keep pulling the cup. He's cool he's some sort of surgeon. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha fucking it, bitch. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.

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Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I shall clip the ladies ears off and send them to the police officers just for jolly. Wouldn't you? Keep this letter back till I do a bit more work. Then give it a, give it a straight. My knife's so nice and sharp, I want to get the work right away if I get a chance. Good luck, yours truly, Jack the Ripper. Don't mind me giving the trade name. PS. Wasn't good enough to post this before I got all the red ink off my hands. Curse it.

No luck yet. They say I'm a doctor now. Haha. What? Is that real? What? It's still not... People aren't sure if it is real.

Why did you say you couldn't get the red eye out of here? Because there would have smudged all the red marks on the page? It was initially, yeah, it's fucking bizarre. Yeah, and I was brutal to read that with a silly voice the whole time. As I got fucked, I was like, oh no. If you just read it normally, I feel like this room would have sounded quite dark and I wouldn't have enjoyed it So I think the accent it helped Uh, it's right. It initially was considered a hoax, but then

Ed O's, Ed O's was found dead soon after with one ear partially cut off. Oh, yuck And obviously that line saying it, I'll clip the late disease off, gained attention after that. So, and that wouldn't have been, that wouldn't have been possible for someone to know, because it was written beforehand. Yeah, having said that it wasn't the last one, he just chopped everything open and that was not the last one though. She was like third I think yeah and some say that it looked like Edo's ears may have been accidentally nixed during the attack and a piece of the ear was never mailed to the police. Yeah okay so they're

like still weird coincidence. Yeah I mean I think that's the main reason all that and it's the first time that he used the name Jack the Ripper. Yeah, or anyone Even if it's a hoax some hoaxer coined that name same with the zodiac he gave himself that name. Yeah I think all the cool people give themselves nickname. Well, I mean that's he did say Don't mind me giving the trade name like that's what he's known as in the biz. Yeah Sorry, I mean it's on my business cards and stuff, so I'm sorry not to give him a real name. Not on the birthday of a make-

That make it too easy. Yeah. Yeah, that's gross. That was my gross English accent. So I finally English accent to be quite a cool accent. It's great. But not that one I'm trying to do whatever that is.

Yeah, look, I'm not sure what it is that you're trying to do, but no. But it's got an English tinge. No, call that. That actually means I've actually called Jack the Ripper. He's our English tinge. English tinge, check out, English tinge. No. But he's stopped looking at it. Stop looking. So the next one was the saucy Jackie postcard. And that was received by the Central News Agency on the first October 1888. The handwriting was very similar to the Dear Boss letter. So if it's a fake, it was probably a fake by the same person or if it was real, it was

probably a real by the same person. Interesting. It reads, I was not coding Dear Well Boss when I gave you the tip. Coding? Coding, I think. Fuckin' about kidding. Yeah, a lot of the spelling and this is weird as well. But I think it's language change or the- It's a different time. It's a different time. I'm saying, this is how they spell it, maybe you didn't, I don't know. English is always evolving.

Isn't it? I mean, it's a bloody fluid language. Isn't it just? Matt, stop codding about and read the whole thing. Isn't it? I mean, it's a body fluid language. Isn't it just? Matt, stop cutting about and read the letter books. I was not cutting dear old boss. Dave, now I'll read the letter. I was not cutting dear old boss when I gave you the tip. You'll hear about Salsie Jackie's work tomorrow. Double event this time. Number one, squeal a bit bit couldn't finish straight off ha not the time to get ears for police thanks for keeping last back till I got to work again Jack the Reaper. So there's a couple of key things in there you referenced doing two in one nine? Reference doing two in one night and also that he couldn't finish one off. Because he was scared. What's he yelled at or whatever?

Yeah, one squeal of it. I guess brought attention. You could interpret that as. And didn't have time to get a year's. I reckon I'd squeal haps, to be honest. If somebody was gutting me, I'd probably squeal a lot. I reckon. So you're not blaming her? Is that what you mean?

God no. No, it's just that he's just the interesting use of language there even though it is fluid, language is fluid, just that he says squeal the bit. I just be... yeah, just a lot. Heaps, heaps I reckon wouldn't stop squealing I don't think. So yeah, so I'm like Dave... It wouldn't stop squealing, I don't think. So yeah, so I'm like Dave and I. That's why you're very different, Jess. That is one of the things that said you were apart. I'm a squealer. Oh, I don't know what that even.

Why does it, that means you're totally copped stuff, right? She's a squealer. Yeah. Is that what it means? Yeah. Squish, you'll squeal like a pig. You know when their people are trying to like get information out of you. Squill for me, Piggy, anyway.

Is that a thing? So as they... That's from Deliverance. Okay, great. Haven't seen it. Mentioning the double event, as Dave said, the murders of Stride and Edo suggested authenticity as they were mailed prior to the murders being reported in the press. But as it was postmarked more than 24 hours after the kill, around 24 hours or just after the killing took place, a fake letter may have...

They would have had to have had some sort of inside knowledge or just spoken to locals or something. But at the same time, it couldn't have been sent earlier than that, because it's the, if it was the killer, because he did it afterwards. Yeah, predicting the murders, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't predicting. It was talking about what happened. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's not like it. Yeah, so that there's people believe it, some people don't. It's one of those ones. And then the third one was the from Hell Letter. And it was received by George Lusk who was the leader of the White Chapel Vigilance Committee on the 16th of October 1888. The handwriting in style is totally different to the others. So, okay, if this one's real those aren't and vice versa. Do a different accent then. Oh fuck, you don't do a different voice with a different person. Oh, I'll try but I don't have a huge amount of rain Look just let me shut the fuck up Dave shut up. I'm thinking a little point a little tip

What we gonna say I was gonna say just do it in the style of leather man And that will help you okay leather man. I'll. Matt, did you find that helpful at all? Because what I was going to say, now I'll give you some advice and we'll see who's more helpful. I was just going to say that I believe in you and I think you're wonderful and I think you've got more range than you're giving yourself credit for. Okay. And if you just dig deep, there's going to be another voices.

So who out of Dave and I? I'm going to give one more thing. Oh. To be honest, I've already figured one Dave said. Exactly.. I knew it was it really helps if you start by saying hello. I'm Michael Kang Then you can do any voice you like. Okay, great. Okay. I'm gonna take all that on board. Okay, and just see what happens So the handwriting is very different and These are the handwriting is very different. And the from hell letter was also a little more than just a letter. It came with a present in a three inch square cardboard box inside it.

No. Half a human kidney. Oh, kidney. It was a cookie. Preserved in alcohol. Yeah, half a kidney too. Like, what's he done with the other half? Edo's left kidney had been removed by the killer.

So not the left one. The left one, yeah. So this one's probably real then. Um, let's see. I mean, it's hard to know. Well, where else did somebody get half a kidney? The letter red. In the olden days. Yeah, the kidney shop. Down third. Man man bodies were fallen everywhere So this the letter red okay, okay From hell Mr. Lusk so I Send you half to give me I took from one woman and Presented for you

Tell the peace I fraud and ate it it was very nice. Is that, are you actually ready to send you the bloody knife and took it out if you only wait a while longer? Fuck. So I'd catch me when you can, Mr. Lask. Oh my god, that's crazy. Did he really say that he'd eaten the other half? Yeah. That's fucked. That was some incredible acting. Oh yeah, that was amazing. You transported that way.

Man, that voice was scary to me. That was terrifying. Yeah. It was more fucked than the other one. That's so true. I'd probably rather fight off the other guy then. Yeah. If that's what leather man sounds like, he...

Oh, leather, we gotta wear leather. I underestimated it. That was your mark, okay. That was your Michael K. Was it? Yep. Yeah, if that's what leather man sounds like He got a little bit of a Restimated I was doing my okay That was your Michael K. What's it? Yep, yeah Dave don't tell him Sorry, they don't tell me what? No, is it good by the way? Just tell me that that was great Matt that was great from Dave and I thanks guys Like so much in this case there is debate as to whether or not this letter is legit.

The kidney was examined by a doctor from the London hospital who confirmed it was a human kidney. I was going to make that joke. Like it is a kidney. It literally confirmed it was a human kidney. I can't get it. He also confirmed it was from the left side. Oh. It tastes like a kidney Yeah, which I don't know if yeah wonder if a fake stir could have known

It was the left kidney, but I could 50 50 yeah beyond that though his findings were not conclusive either way You couldn't tell he's like it some say some reports said that he said it definitely could be it looks similar But I did it have her initials on it. Yeah, yeah, it did yeah, but how many night there's so many people Right heaps of J pays out there. Yeah, exactly I know like three DWs Who else Danielle Walker fuck off Next that's the only other one that I called DW Who else? Danielle Walker. Fuck off. Next.

That's the only other one that I called EW. Can she live place? I like her. What about DW, the Arthur? Arthur's little sister. I got that a bit in the grammar. D-double, you. The grammar school. DW.

Danielle Walker's great. She's right. She can share it. Shear it. What about Doug Walters? Well, he can fuck off. So I think it was a cricketing grade. Okay, what are you gonna say Doug Walters can fuck off? Absolutely. Cricketing grade can fuck off. All of them can. Interesting. Interesting. What about Dave Warner? Yeah, he can fuck off because when you're trying to Google me, he comes up before me. How often do you do it yourself?

The Vice Captain of this Australian cricket team comes up before Dave Warner-Keeakie of Dugo won. Can you believe it? No. One of the greatest 2020 plays in the world comes up before a Melb-Burnian podcaster. When you google Jess Perkins it's usually a character from RoboCop. Or there's a personal trainer in Florida called Jess Perkins. She's doing really well. Also had a cameo and robo cop. Yeah, she was in robo cop. If it, so we...

Oh, it was in robo cop. Yeah, the casting agent was here to finish. Ah, Jess Perkins finish? It's a very neat one. This is a weird blip in their system. And they just accidentally hide all Jess Perkins. They're talking there's a Canadian comedian called Jessica Perkins. Really? She on Twitter?

I don't know if she's on Twitter. We're like mates on Facebook. Really? Yeah, yeah. She added me. Have you had a chat? Yeah, she's lovely. She's really nice. So you will accept anyone called Jess Perkins? Absolutely not. No, I will not, but I did accept because it's kind of funny that there's two Jess, or she's Jessica Perkins or like goes by Jessica as her stage name. Do you think she did that because she saw you? No, I think she's been out longer than me Ah, so really you're the the the I'm the the the here but in like in saying that she's been incredibly gracious You left her the Ica. Yeah, she's got the Ica. She's got the Ica. She's got the Ica hand. She's got the formal. Yeah, so yeah, she's Successful I've done yeah, I guess so she more successful than the Mel Burney and podcasted Dave Warnicky.

Anything is actually yeah. Fuck, if you type Dave space W in to your Google, you will get Jessica Perkins, the comedian from Canada. Yeah, she's got a powerful online presence. Yeah, her use of Google AdWords is incredible. Yeah, she's very good. Anyway, just a little fun fact. So a lot of people who do think that the letters are fake,

especially the first two in this case, might have been written by journalists trying to pump up the public interest and keep it selling papers. And because the end of the... And subsavage matters were not interesting. Yeah. We need a name to get it across the line. Wow. I mean that's like you were saying before. It can be a big part of it. But also someone did come clean supposedly in the in the early 1900s saying that they they did do that. They were a journalist. But that's not confirmed either. But there's been hundreds of letters

So yeah, it could be any of those letters these big three. It was claiming those first two Really? Supposedly, but I don't believe anything. I'm not even sure that this That this English England place exists. Yeah point to it on a map. How can you be sure I'd be to try I've never been there Um That was that was my joke that I've been there so I know it exists cuz I've been in it. Have you yeah, brother England? I'm Anyu That was what I would

I don't know what I was doing. England, I'm Anya. That's what she kicks off through UK immigration. She deals out. England, I'm Anya. They just pop the line, so she just sails sales away into London. So there's so many suspects you want to hear about a couple of them.

No. Okay, great. That actually will be more efficient. No, I'd like to hear about them. I want to hear about them. Okay, let's go through a couple of the big ones. There's so many, and I don't know who the... This guy, Seraan Klosowiski.

Okay, George Chapman. Thank God he's got an okay. Yeah, because that was... He's a Polish immigrant who moved to the UK in 1887 or 88 just before the murders began. Convenient. He was later convicted of poisoning three wives. All his wife, he's his own wife.

His own wives, one after the other. Oh. Kill, re-marry, kill, re-marry. That's a long process, isn't it? The third wife. He got it. You'd be like, do you really trust him? Here, I made this suit for you, I don't think so, Joe.

Well, I don't know if they, I don't think they knew that he'd been poisoning. It was after the third one that he got done for it and was put to death. Yeah. Put to death. Hanged in 1903. He was Scotland Yard Inspector, Frederick Abelines' favoured suspect. So, one of the cops at the time.

Right. But is seen as being less likely by some because it's rare that a serial killer will make such a big change to their MO mid-career. Career, because you wouldn't do that to your wife if you want to get away with it, would you? Because that would be... Yeah, it's a very, very different scenario. Everything about it's very different though. Yeah, but if you want to get rid of your wife, you're not gonna disembow, because it'll probably come back to you.

How would you get rid of your wife then Dave? No, I'm talking about if you want to marry a wife. No, I'm just interested to see how you would get rid of your wife. Well, having never been married, I trust that we know of. Yeah, I've been married three times. That we know of. Yeah. I've been married three times.

They're all dead. I will not talk about it on the podcast. I did not like my cooking. They're working. A poison. So I poisoned them with my cooking. Took a while because they would need it. It was a very frustrating process. Eat my ironic dinner. It would be actually difficult for me to poison someone because I can't cook

Hmm, I think that might make it easier for you because you'd accidentally poison someone We've got it. There it is. Got my ammo. It's your ammo. And that's your alibi to like well. I'm a terrible cook It was an accident. Oh no Cheryl My beautiful third wife, Cheryl. They've all been called Cheryl. Oh my three Cheryl's. Rest in peace, Cheryl won, Cheryl too, and Cheryl the third. She did not like being called Cheryl 3. Fussy bitch. She had to go.

She had to go. I remember when you said you weren't sure we could make this fun. We're having a great time. I'm having a great time, I've been killed three Sheryls. No, it is fun. It is fun to kill a Sheryls, isn't it? That's all I've got. Hey everyone, go out there and kill a Sheryl. No, no, no, no. That's face. I got. Hey everyone, go out there and kill a Cheryl. No, no, no. That's face.

I was so worth it. Guys, don't kill anybody, obviously. Especially Cheryl. Not Cheryl. Anything, make them live. Make everyone live. Save a Cheryl's life. Have a baby and call it Cheryl.

Has to take save a Cheryl. Save a Cheryl. Shave a Cheryl. Hey, some of them might need help. Shaving. That cheeky back of the knee part. Can't get it right. It's back of the knee hard, is it? Yeah, well, wait, isn't there a... Is there a hair in there?

No, but it's just a fine bit of hair. But you still, you just do it all. That's a fine bit of hair. It's just a fine hair. Anyway, back to God. So there's a couple others that I sort of came up a few times. Aaron Kuzminski.

He's always an Aaron. Also Polish. He's always an Aaron. And this guy was sent to the Colony Hatch Lunatic Assam in 1891. Oh, when the murder's possibly stopped. Yes. He was a Polish Jew. And this one was kind of a tricky...

Or was it Polish? A Polish, sorry. He was a Polish Jew,ish man. This one I think had a kind of long process by the sounds of it. The name Cosminsky was written as a suspect in journals of some of the key cops right and with no first name and then in 1987 there's an author named Martin Fado but is this actually not 87? 1897?

No, no it is. No, it is. It's a real 80s. Yeah. Oh my god. The real 80s. 1897 No, no it is No, it is Is it real ladies? Yeah, I think it is The real ladies? But those 1880s, that was fucking fake The only 80s you're gonna see are the 2080s No

I don't know, it'd be difficult I'd be in my 90s Well, you're a much better chance of saying that than any others are I can No, good call Think about that Can I go back in time, can we? It's true. We're in a live in the 1980s. But if you're in for the 2080s, you're in for the 2180s. Do I can even make it a 90? You can make it a 190. I'm going to make it a 190.

Yeah, definitely. So how science works? Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Also, you said this author searched through asylum records with the surname Cosminski and Found only one and it was Aaron Cosminski. So this is relatively recent. Oh That that this guy has come up. Well, I mean I mean, I was quite a while ago, but in comparison to the pyramids, it's quite recent. I mean, it was 30 years ago, but also... But at the time, people weren't drawing conclusions.

At the time, the cops at the time would have known him by name. They just didn't write as now full-named down for some reason. If we had to believe this guy's found the right one. But Aaron Cosminsky did live in Whitechapel, but at this time he wasn't like a violent person at all. And I daisy chains a lot. Well, he was the captain of the choir. Apparently his insanity took the form of auditory hallucinations, which is a paranoid fear of being fed by other people was like how is... How often does that happen when you're grown up?

He doesn't like... Just like anyone providing your free... Oh, I thought it was a time when you're specifically... I thought it was a time when you're specifically... Especially if you're in a asylum. MMMMMM! So, apparently the way he got around eating food off the floor like scraps of the... I guess he was worried that it was going to be...

Contaminated. I don he was worried that it was going to be contaminated. I don't know. I also imagined that he was worried that people were putting meatballs in his mouth while he slept. Oh fuck. That would be the worst. I've got a small gallop. You know that. I got a choked. I got a choked. I want to kill a lot of women now. So what happened? So people think that it's very unlikely to be this guy, because yeah, he just didn't have those sort of, only one time in the records that it say that he ever seemed violent in the asylum.

After the meatball incident? Yeah, it was the meatball incident. Of 1890. He also refused to watch your baby. He would have been fun to be around. It makes you think maybe was it this guy? Because I think other people said I reckon you're mistaking him for someone else. There was another guy with a slightly different spelling of the surname

and names might have got mixed up. Which is interesting. Here's another guy, David Cohen. He was a Polish Jew who's in incarceration at Colony Hatch, Lunatico-Saham, roughly coincided with the end of the murders as well. And he was described as violently anti-social. Okay, it's closed. We got him. We got him. Is there any suspects that aren't Polish Jews? No, I don't want to say your report is biased in any way, but so far three from three. That's just the same. One of the supposedly one of the cops has also said that he knew who it was and it was a Polish Jew. Someone else is another cop, like this is in his journal or whatever. His memoir.

In his memoir. But it wasn't public at the time. And then someone else at the same time another cop said we said, we never knew for sure we got the man. So they sort of contradicted each other. But the guy who did say, he didn't know it. I think he did say it was a Polish Jew. So I think that's why still people talk about what a Polish Jew got.

So yeah, I mean, there are a few other suspects, but there's so many. And going into any of them deeply could be a whole episode. So I mean sometimes claim like famous people did it, like Arthur Conan Doyle or something like that? Yes, yeah, but I think they're all pretty silly. For a bit of fun. Yeah, just a bit of fun. That is a bit of fun, isn't it?

It killed 11 women. Oh my god, that's so arty. They called him arty. They didn't. A spank silly. Oh, guys, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hey, there's silly. And then there's not silly. Silly is killing 11 women. Silly, not silly is calling after Arty. Sorry. That's offensive. Sorry. Um, so yeah, I guess it's never been so. I don't think it

ever will be solved. It's a bit like now, isn't it? Just imagine if they had like the technology they have now with DNA and stuff like that. Well, that's the interesting, because the standard practice at the time of the murders was for the police to move the scene on as soon as they could. They get the body away, they'd wash away the blood, and just get it done.

Because apparently if you left a scene like that out too long, people would come and have a bloody gawk You got a crowd on your hands. Let's have a cheek squeeze. If they bagged and tagged, everything like they do now and it was all just sitting in boxes somewhere like they probably would have knocked it over. If they could go back now and just do DNA. There is a guy who has done that, a guy who runs one of the walking tours in London. He's released a book and made the news a few years ago.

He bought a shawl that was found next to one of the victims and he confirmed without a shadow of a doubt. I think it was the class Solvsky that he reckons it was. Oh. But that sounds pretty dubious. 130 year old DNA evidence that he bought on eBay. Well he spent a lot of money on it at an auction, but it's no guarantee it was even there. He wasn't very public with how his scientific process went. And he got ripped off and then had to justify it by running a book.

Well, his wife was like, we're going to get that 30,000 pounds back, mate. Look, I disagree. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He bought it. And so he could do this. And it was made news around the world. And he runs a little company that makes profits off Jack the Ripper being a thing that people want to know about. And now he's the guy who supposedly has the answer. Are we going to be good for business? Wow, he's a smart businessman. Are we going to 20, 30 years he'll make the money back for that sure?

20 or 30 years worth it. What an investment. Long haul. I'm not sure how much he paid for it, bro. I think there's a few thousand pounds. Two thousand? Yeah, totally. If there was surviving evidence, I'm sure they would have

figured out. But they just had no idea that that was going to be possible one day. In the years after the murders, Jack the Ripper has gone through some changes in depiction, apparently. In the 20s and 30s, it was yellow raincoat. He was wearing like every day clothes, yellow raincoat, that sort of stuff But then in the 60s he sort of became portrayed more as the top-hatred gentleman kind of like a symbol for the for the upper classes, you know and just the excess and all that sort of stuff That's when you see some photos in a picture of him with top hat. Yeah, that rings about too But I'm still googling Jack the Ripper to see if I can. Oh look, I reckon if you Google it, you'll probably find out more than one of the tools.

He's been used in so many works of fiction over the years. The list of novels that he's been a character in or whatever, it just was epic. One sort of well-known book is called From Hell. It's a graphic novel about the Ripper case and this theory that it was like a bigger conspiracy. And so it turned into a graphic novel which was ended up being turned into a Johnny Depp film. Yeah, Which one? Called From Hell.

Do you not know it? It was ranked number five by the newspaper, The Telegraphs, top five Jack, The Ripper Movies. Top five. Yeah. Wow. There's so many movies. Number four, they had Hands of the Ripper, which is a 1971 film.

Number three, The Lodger, which is an Alfred Hitchcock 1926 two is murdered by decree 1979 number one that had pent up his box 1929 oh wow do you remember in this is spinal tap round it as a scene in that I can't remember it but apparently the scene in it where the band discusses composing a rock opera about Jack the Ripper's life. I wanted to call it saucy Jack. Such a funny movie. There's lots of songs have been written about him as well. saucy Jack.

saucy Jack? Yeah well he did sign him, he called himself that one in the saucy Jack. He's a bit saucy. saucy Jacky postcard. postcard. him on a beach. That's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy.

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He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. He's a bit saucy. you know what their songs are? Nick Kav's is Jack the Ripper. Cool. Settle. Very Nick Kav. In 2015, the Jack the Ripper Museum opened in London, which you can go visit. Yeah. Obviously. A private museum is open. There are also a walking tours of the area where you can, you know, go here and out of work actor.

To put that out work actor history of Jack the Ripper or alternatively you can walk around White Chapel alone at night alone at night listening to this podcast again oh my god imagine that's for free and I imagine that you would have left watch up all hours ago if you listened to this. Yeah, probably. No, I wouldn't have, not at all. Stay.

And yeah, that's it. Great report, Matt. Peace. Great report. Like drop. He's out. He's throwing the headphones. He's out.

He's done. He's leaving. Matt, come back here. We're still going to talk some more. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. He's done. He's leaving. Matt, come back here. We're still gonna talk some more. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha you can vote for all of Matt's topics, you can also get bonus episodes, here extra stuff from us and it is a gay old time. But you have to give us some cash. But if you like the show you want to support it, you've heard all the episodes, maybe thinking, I mean, for the long haul with these guys, I would be greatly appreciated.

But what I was bringing out Patreon format was our topics in the hats, in the first place have to be suggested by someone, I don't think we actually said who suggested Jack the Ripper, but I do have suspicions that it might be multiple people because one of those sort of very famous. They love a serial killer. Yes, you are correct there, David. This is maybe one of the more commonly... Yeah, well they picked this over Keen for peeing, so people obviously love it. They also picked the Magic School bus over Keen for pe keen for paint so people obviously love it. They also picked the magic school bus over keen for paint So they obviously love it Nobody wants to hear about it. We we had Devin Shane Giddys

Suggested this one at loose cannon 777 Nathan Weselch at Endgame a 32 Austin bracket. Austin bracket. Austin Bracket, go in again. Austin Bracket, oh, was one of the ones who suggested the zodiac killer. Austin, I think you're a bit sick. And I mean, like a cool dude. Get help.

Oh. Also, Chrissy, who is a person on, at XOX, I'm just called me. Oh, cool, Chrissy. It's quite an invitation. That kiss hug kiss me. Yeah. No, kiss hug kiss, underscore me.

Play music. I give it a, oh I was gonna give you a low mark. So you see that's the difference. My score is musical. Yeah we know. And we are. Uh, core Mac and aromatic herbs. Oh my, can you hear it again? That's the difference. My score is musical. Yeah, we know. It's four. And we're no. Core Mac at Aromatic Herbs. Core Mac is here again.

Aromatic Herbs. That's one of my favorite Twitter heads. Yeah, it's great. I'm pretty sure he might've in HHHimes. You're also sick. And I think the very initial suggestion was from Mike at Mike 85730978. Mike, how do you remember that when you log in?

Wait, 7, I'm reading it. 8, 5, 7, 3, 0, 9, 7, 8. Oh, I got that wrong as well. Well, I said some wrong numbers there. That's difficult. It's possibly more people, sorry. I'm just going off. Why, I'm just sort of trying to bring that all together.

But I think that, I think there may have been more people even. Can say, thank you so much. Please sign hold it against me. We'd people who like to kill us. In the bedroom. Please. Yeah, it's good to fear at listeners, I think. Speaking of fearing.

Fearless. Yeah, we should fear the listeners that we did not read out their names while I pay Toronto, which is another thing that you view. You've got a weird way to get this. Look, I tried really hard. Please don't fear me. I mean, kill me Please don't fear me. I mean kill me But do fear me

We actually another patreon perk let's call that patreon perks you've only just figured that out patreon perks Mm-hmm sounds good. Pets is also my name is that what you mean? No, I actually just now anyway Patreon you weren't you pointing at me though with just perks actually just, no, anyway. Patreon, please. Oh, you weren't, you were pointing at me though. With Jess Perkins. Okay.

One of Jess. Not you Jess, we're talking about the Canadian. Yeah, Jessica Perkins. She's great, she's great. The number one ranked comedian called Jessica Perkins. Agreed. We'd like to say thank you individually to all our Patreon supporters.

So we're gonna say thanks now. Give it a big shout out to some we actually hit 100 Pete patreon It was amazing 100 people and you support the show really cool that was a few weeks ago as you don't check it every day obviously Oh, yeah, Dave you definitely do. Yeah, it's all I do I live for patreon I forget about it and then I check it and I go oh oh, that's nice, I actually get a little surprise, but we have a Clips to 100, so thank you very much everyone. But let's thank some of those hundred Matt.

Do you have some people to thank? Oh yes, I do. So many to thank my mum and dad. Oh my god, it's not the Academy Awards, Matt. He means a Patreon listener, is he a buddy? You're being played off. Okay, so I take it back. Forget, fuck mum and dad. Don't do that. It's a weird way to start your Academy it back. Forget fuck mom and dad. Don't do that. So we had to start your Academy of Water Acceptance speech. Fuck mom and dad.

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Janay. Anyway, another person that I would like to thank who probably couldn't go just by first name because it's a fairly common name, and so is the second name. So you'd probably have to maybe add the third at the end but I still think would have a big career. I'll tell you if it'll the third or work on it. So I would like to thank Will Downing. Will Downing the third. Yeah that will work. It's great right? Definitely you want to keep that name going for as long as possible. Absolutely. At least three generations. Yeah. So Will I mean obviously go out there and have some children, maybe you already have. If you have had children and you haven't named them will, after you, I must insist that you change their names legally. I'm so sorry, but that is now canon.

Yeah. That is one of our kind of, kind of, kind of nomenical requests. Yes. Unlike Star Wars, we haven't wiped our canon. We, everything we've done is still... Did you not wipe the canon? I forgot to wipe the canon. Unlike Star Wars we haven't wiped out Canon. We everything we've done is still. Did you not wipe the Canon? I forgot to wipe the Canon. Unlike Star Wars, we'll have frequently cleaned the Canon. Cleaning the Canon sounds dirty. So it's just going to get wiped the Canon. Well, before Jess wipes,

Matt and I's Canon. No! Hey, I would like to say a big thank you and I think you and us three are that Canonical trio But if we were canonical, does that mean we're all victims? No, no Canonical But if we work a part of a quartet, I would like to welcome in an honorary fourth member and that is a big thank you to patreon supporter Joe Boyd Welcome to the Quartet ever. Welcome to the Quartet ever Jo Welcome to the Canon on a cool quartet Joe. It's canonical Canon on a cool Quartet a little Canon on a cool

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Dick Picks. Hey, someone is working. It's with you up there. Man has to... What are you putting yours? Man has to... Where do you put yours? Man has to constantly, um... He gets kicked off and banned from Facebook a lot. Worth it. Ah. But it will say... I don't like that I don't get what I'm doing.

It's art. That's what I keep telling him. It's art. It's bloody art. My dick is my art. I'm an artist and I believe in you. You wouldn't know you wouldn't know how to fit it during the face Well, if you want art on your cheek No, supporters on patreon you get to but I will say if you stop supporting if you stop paying a hundred dollars per month

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