Do Go On - Do Go On Presents: Just Make the Thing (feat. Jess Perkins!)

Episode Date: July 8, 2018

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You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus Visit PlanetBroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to do-go-on presents. Oh man, I like like that. We've landed in like high society or something. Oh, hello. Oh good day. Good day. Let us present you with something Is that how it went? I don't know. Yeah, I think that's how high society does a arrow. I'm a pretty grander Well, they often presenting things. Yes, they're spots. He's presenting. That's how they do it behind closed doors What's a good Butler name? Bugs. Chives. Chives. Chives.

Chives. Clean my monical. Yes. Yes, sir, Professor Herb. That is not the first time that's been said. God no. Certainly not. I don't mean Dave would know all about it.

He grew up with a Butler. Didn't you? Well, I mean, we assume. Multiple. Yes. Obviously. Multiple. Yes. Obviously. Butler's. You were firing and hiring like this.

Not totally. Toddler Tyrant, he was. Yeah, you fuck up something over here. Oh, you didn't pack up my Lego right. You're dead. Oh, just five. Oh, Dave. You're fired out of a cannon.

Yeah. Into the ocean. He didn't even leave me the ocean. No. And you will be wearing concrete boots. And nothing else. You need a powerful cannon. Well, Dave.

And maybe next time you put the blue blocks in the blue box. Oh. Did you not realize that there wouldn't be a next time? Yeah, well. What did you believe in rain carnation? It goes. Well, I was a lesson to the rest of the butlers. We've got one along. Along the shore watching their friend and colleague.

We blasted to his demise. Wow, Dave. Are you a really bad child? So that's what this podcast episode is. No, if you're wondering why we popped up in your feed midweek in between what we've got here is a special little taster, little cheese and chavs tasting plate. Thank you. Thank you chavs. A little taster of a great podcast that is also on the Planet Broadcasting Network called Just Make The Thing

hosted by Planet Broadcasting, headhunter Claire Tonti. We call it the Tonts. Yeah. That's never happened before but fromonte. We call it the Tonts. Yeah. Let's never happened before, but from now on, we call it the Tonts. Yo, Tont-Dee! Tont-Dee! Oh, Tont! That's the most out of all of the video you'll face.

I was showing it when we said John Travolta. Hey, I'm with the Cantare, Mrs. Tante. Oh, wow, okay, I hate it all of that. All right, I won't do much on Travolta's right now. We were really trying to encourage people to listen to Clare's show, and I imagine we might be talking amongst ourselves. Well, how would you best subscribe? Is anyone still listening?

How would you best subscribe Clare's show? Oh, I'd call it a deep dive. A deep dive into the psyches of her guests. The idea of it being talking to people about making creative projects, starting to make things and then continuing to make them. That's a way of encouraging others to just get out there, just make that podcast, write that blog,

write that script, do whatever. Yes, stop procrastinating. And just keep it going. And it's, yes. And I guess trying to inspire people by talking to people who have been making things and hearing about their experiences is trying to make it relatable and less scary. I guess. And she's had some pretty impressive guests as well.

She's had Will Anderson on the pod. I'm Luke McGregor and Celia McCullough. That's a really good episode. And I love them. I really like showing them a guests as well. She's had Will Anderson on the pod. Look, we're going to see her for Cole. That's a really good episode. And I love them. I really like showing them out as well. A Geraldine Hickey, Mr. Sunday movies, of course. Jess Harris, heaps of amazing artists of lots of different mediums.

And then in a whole other category. LAUGHTER Aww. Above. Yes. Yes. Good save. in a whole other category. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha been on, so you can listen to episodes with the boys as well. But what we're going to play for you now is this a little taste of my chat. A little moth, sir. Just a little bit of my chat. We've cleared 20. I'm just making the thing.

Now, I've listened to it, Jess Jess and I thought it was a great episode really We showed a lot behind the scenes of your creative working life and I learned stuff about you that I didn't know You know we're working together for three nearly three years now. You just don't ask the question That's right. I'm not like not like don't he does Sit a name You know it's a lackactical, by her name. But yeah, no, I don't learn a lot about you as well.

And then I messaged, I listened to your episode and I messaged Claire straight after I said, hey, can I record mine again? Because Jess did it better than me. I mean, there is a reason we're playing Jess's episode, not Matt or I. But you can listen to those as well. They're very good. So you're going to play you a big chunk of it now and then we're gonna drop in and have a chat to you at the end of the episode.

And if you love it, which we think you will, you can go out and subscribe to just make the thing, and we'll talk about this at the end of this, but on planaprocacin.com or on iTunes or all the pod apps. Yes. And this is, I mean, this is just the first episode of Do Go On Presents. Who knows what will be next?

Maybe Beethoven's Symphony III. Probably. He was a three hour symphony. Enjoy. We'll come back at the end. It wasn't that great. Well enough whaffling from us. You can hear some more whaffling from me. Now. This episode is brought to you by Planet Broadcasting's 2018 partnership with Care Australia and Everyday Hero, supporting women and girls living in extreme poverty around the world. To donate to our campaign, visit Planet Broadcasting.com or click on the link in the show notes below. Great people do things before they're ready. They do things before they know they can do it,

and by doing it, they're proven right. Amy Paula. Hello, and welcome to Just Make The Thing, a podcast of people like me. I'm your host Claire Tunti, for people who want to start a thing and keep on making it. Jess Perkins, or Bob, as she's sometimes called, is an Australian comedian, a radio host on Triple J, and one third of the very hilarious comedy trivia pod, Do Go On. This girl has the most infectious laugh and is a downright smart and talented human. She's also a very wise one.

I love that she jumped into standup by entering into the Royal Comedy Festival and I think she proves Amy pull her right. If you don't jump in before you're ready, you may never jump in at all. What she has to say on failure, on self-doubt, and also about being a woman in the comedy industry is fascinating.

Jess and I could have chinwagged all day and did before and after I turned off the mics. I love her perspective on the world, her work ethic, and her love of joyful silly storytelling comedy because that's the kind that I love to. Okay, here we go. The latest episode of Just Make The Thing with a delightful pop.

So, just Perkins, hello. Hello. Hello, thank you for coming on Just Make The Thing. Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited. Oh goodness, okay, no pressure. Yeah. It's gonna be good. I never appear on anyone else's podcast. So no

This is a huge honor for you This is amazing. I know I'll be like preparing the house like the queen is coming We haven't just like thrown all the cushions on the floor for us I'm for you being and our dog hasn't attacked you. Yeah, it's fun. It's totally it's amazing the service And if you can use something in the background that you support our dog trying to get you to a fully dressed. But hopefully James will take your hair soon and it'll always back. So I wanted to start. I mean, I wanted to talk to you about ages actually because you do lots of cool stuff, lots of creative stuff, because it shows all about how to start a thing and keep on making it. So I wanted to ask you first, when you realised you were funny?

Oh, wow. I think as a kid I was aware that was something that was in me, And I only realized recently that my parents, particularly my mom really praised that or put an emphasis on that. I remember in primary school a couple of times when there'd be events on or something and your parents had to write you a letter, whether it was like we were out on school camp or coming up to milestones in our lives

and they'd get our parents to write us letters. And I remember I've got them and a couple of them mum would sort of write that, you know, you've got this sense of humor that's beyond your years and you can light up a room, like all those beautiful mum things. But it's because they kind of praised that in me that I was like, hey, all that I'm funny.

You know, like that was just something I was. Like I was part of your personality. Yeah, which I think is a great thing to instill in a kid. Oh, I'll be really disappointed. And I'm sorry if my son's a single teacher. I'll be so disappointed if he's not funny. Right. Where are we? Oh my god. My boyfriend and I were talking about that recently. We were like, what if we had a kid and they were like a real nerd? Yeah. Oh, I can't move me a real nerd. Yeah, I reckon. But what, but finding one. Funny one. Have a sense of humor. I don't know. What if they're like a real straight-lace accountant type. Yeah.

And I knew you hate accountants. I know I do. But yeah, that would be that would be the only way my children could disappoint me. It's to not have a sense of humor. Doesn't matter what they do in their career. They would never have a job. But if they're not funny, get out of the perk and say, I can't judge their career choices. Like look what I've been doing with my degree. You're like nothing. So whatever they want to do is fine, but just have a sense of humour. Well you've got a generalism degree. I do, yeah. Yeah. What way do you choose? Why would you laugh? Because it's so silly. Well you've got radio now. That's true. That's pretty efficient. I have always jokes that I never did anything with my degree, but I kind of, I kind of do now. I work for the radio now. That's true. That's pretty efficient. I have a ways jokes that I never did anything with my degree, but I kind of, I kind of

do, and I work for the ABC now. Yeah, that's real grownup job. Yeah, I had to do like, I had to do some editorial policies training, and I was going through it, I was like, yeah, this is all, I know this, why am I doing this training? And I was like, oh, you know this because you've done the degree. You're using your degree. Yeah, that thing that you've got a lot of hips in for, which is like James has a business degree and a teacher degree and he's amazing now.

When he did business it was like make a fly out and then sit around. Very good. Really good. Yeah, so yeah, why journalism? What did you decide that? Well, when I finished year 12, this is like a big moment in my life. When I did Year 12, I did drama and I got a perfect score in my drama solo. Top one percent of the state kind of thing.

No, that's why I did a big... Yeah, it was a big deal and it was something that I wanted and worked so hard on. And so then I got... I promise this is getting to the point. Then I got invited to audition for Top Class, which is the best drama solos in the state. They pick a handful of them. You audition, they pick a handful, and you perform at a showcase.

And I got, that's all I wanted. When I was in year 12, all I wanted was to be drama captain when I was in year 12, all I wanted was to be drama captain, to win the Performing Arts Award and to get to do top class. And so I was drama captain, I'd won the Performing Arts Award and I was like, I'm gonna, I really want top class. And I fucked the audition. I didn't, I didn't completely, like the performance was fine, but I started too early, I wasn't focused enough and I didn't do my best. So I didn't get it. And So I didn't get it,

and I also didn't get into the performing arts course that I wanted to do because my A-TAR, my underscore wasn't high enough, because you needed to be like really good at maths and biology to get into performing arts, which made a lot of sense. Neat, a fairy. So that kind of, it was sort of the first time

I'd really, really tried something and failed. And instead of getting back up, I stayed down. My dad always says, and it's not something that he's thought of, but he always reminds me, like, fall down seven times, get up eight. And it was, I stayed down. And I still credit that. I'm like, yeah, I just stayed down, I gave up and I didn't try things again. And so then my backup option was I got into creative arts and culture at ACU.

We just had arts degree, but you had to major in something creative. So I was a drama and literature major. And in my drama classes we would read plays. We wouldn't perform anything. There was no performance elements. We just didn't read plays. We wouldn't perform anything. There was no performance element. We just didn't read plays. Yeah and I was sort of like this course is going to get me nowhere. I wasn't enjoying it so I stuck it out for a year and then I looked at a few different things. I actually looked at doing paramedics and I wanted to be paramedic. I looked at a few different things and then I ended up transferring over to Deakin Union doing medium communications. So I did all sorts of things like PR and general media and stuff like that. And then kind of fell into majoring in journalism.

And I had a minor in literature and film studies as well. So I was kind of a fairly rounded education, but yeah, I ended up with a major in journalism and did work experience it like channel 10 and a news paper and stuff like that. But yeah, I think I even doing those internship cells like, this isn't quite for me. Did you love the writing element of it? Is that why you chose it in the end? Yeah, absolutely. And I remember feeling like, I think I finished uni kind of going, I learnt

nothing. But I realized much later that what it actually taught me was Which is funny because you don't see it a lot in journalism, but I can't jump to conclusions I actually need to have all sides of information stories to to make up my mind And I only noticed that years later when like I told mum about a story I'd read in the newspaper and she was just like, oh what a monster he should be in prison And I was like, well, hang on. You've only heard one tiny part of it and you've jumped to a conclusion. And that's when I was like,

oh, my degree taught me something. So that's kind of nice. That's a huge thing, especially now, in the clunk we're living in to be able to have that to know that there's two sides to everything. There's multiple sides, yeah. There's at least two. At least upside and downside as well.

Yeah, you can look at it from so many different angles. So many and intention and context and so many different things. Perception can make it so different from so many different angles. It's really interesting. Oh, completely and the way that you were raised shapes your world, and your world experience. Yeah, 100% agree with that. So what changed?

You did your journalism degree and you were down. You said, yeah, now perform your art, what made you go, okay, go do something. I think it was, I don't even remember how it came about, but I knew that there was a, or I found out there was a training course at SIN, Student Youth Network, radio, and my friend and I decided to go along to that. It was like one night a week for a period of time, whatever it was. And we went and did that.

And then from there, you could sort of have your own show. So we were doing like this late night show and we were doing the graveyard shifts. And just sort of having you go at it. And I realized that I really liked radio. And I did more and more at SIN. And there was one show that was called Injoke. And it was just after a big breakup for me. Like I was 24 and it was like a six-year relationship ended. And I saw this thing on the Sin Facebook page that was like, we're looking for hosts

for Injoke, you know, apply if you want to give it a go. And I sort of went, oh I'd kind of like to do that. And my usual default would be to go, oh I kind of want to do that and check with him, not check with him for permission but be like, what are you reckon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And wait for that validation. But now I only had myself to back me. So I went, oh yeah, I'll give it a go. And that turned out, I think I did that for six months or close to a year or something. And we would just go see comedy shows and interview comedians.

And it got me back into that world of comedy that I had loved as a teenager. Like I introduced my parents to the comedy festival, who lived in Melbourne that pretty much their whole lives. And they just had never. Never really seen much or done much, but this teenager was like, I've got to go see all these shows and I need a guardian.

Yeah. So that's what they did, which was great. So yeah, it kind of got me back into comedy and then I just signed up for Raw and I was like, I'm gonna give this a go. That is balsy, because that's the big difference. So from being like, I'm doing community radio, like where you don't see the audience to going, I'm going to get up in front of hundreds of people

and try and make them laugh. What was that first gig like? Amazing, it was really good. Yeah, and because I was a drama nerd at school, and was always, always lent more towards the comedy, for sure. Like, at my solo and everything was always comedic. So I knew that I loved being on a stage and I knew I could make people laugh. But it was a different type. Like, you know, we'd done sketches and stuff

like that at school or characters. Now I was just telling stories as me. But I think Raw is a perfect place for someone to start because you've got a pretty big audience and they're really eager and they're really up for it and they're very supportive. So we went, my parents were there, a few friends were there, and I think that was good too, that I told people I was doing it because then I had to. The day before I was like, I don't, you know what, maybe I won't, maybe I just won't do it, maybe I just want to turn up.

I just want to do it. And I had to because other people were coming. And it was a great gig. I went on like third and did really well and got through to the next round. And it just kind of went from there. So the second gig must have been like a preliminary final or something like that, or a next heat, whatever it was.

And then after that, I got a message on Facebook from Pete Jones, who's a comedy person, he's a comedian. And he just asked me to come down and do a gig at a room he was running. And that's sort of how I started to meet other comedians. And then it just made it less daunting because the thing that scared me so much about stand-up was

Like I didn't I didn't know the logistics like if you're gonna go and sign up for a room Where do you sign up? Who do you talk to? Where do you stand? Little things like that stupid little details But then I said to meet people and that made a lot less scary And so you said I felt like you'd found your thing. Yeah Yeah definitely. I felt like I found my people or place that I belonged. Because I mean we all, I had a pretty good time at high school. I wasn't, I wasn't like, I'd drawn a captain. Yeah. Everybody loved Jess Pee. Oh yeah, everybody loves the drama captain.

Yeah, yeah. No, but I was kind of, I was friends with everyone, I guess, but it felt more like I did feel like I was a bit different and then meeting comedy people I was like, oh, okay, these people don't think I'm weird or like a bit out there, they're just my people, which is cool. So cool. It's interesting that it was a breakup that kind of pushed you into doing something again. Because I often hear that from people that maybe not necessarily breakup but it often is that some kind of cataclysmic life-altering thing that happens to you that pushes you in a new direction. Do you have you always had

James and I talk about this a little bit like a creative itch, like a thing that you have to make staff, and if you're not making the staff, you sort of miserable. Yeah, and I didn't, I think I didn't realize I had that until I started making staff, and now I can't really stop. Like I can't, I get overwhelmed if I'm too busy, but if I stop for a little while,

I also just get really anxious and kind of bored. I'm like, oh, I've got to do something. I'm not doing anything. I'm not being productive. Yeah. So, yeah, but I still haven't, I feel like I haven't quite nailed exactly what it is that I'm good at. Like, I think there's, I think there's something more. I think there's, but I don't know what it is, but I'll find it. That's exciting.

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Probably. Because I spoke to Will Anderson and he said that to you that he had like 100 things that he wished he hadn't got to yet, and he was like, I probably won't have time to do you. Yeah. So maybe when you're a creative person, you always want to have that. Like, what's the next thing? Yeah, I think so. I'll get there.

What's the next thing I could do? What's the next thing? It's almost like, it's never enough. Or it's, you always want something more. I think that's definitely true. Because you'll sort of, you'll take something off a list or you'll achieve something you wanted to. And then it's like, okay, but you can't be happy with that for very long. So it's like what's next?

How do you feel when you come off the stage immediately after a gig? Yeah good, really good. Well if the gig is going well, if it's going badly it's like well where's the nearest bridge? So how do you go with that if you, because I know you said you had that failure early on and that really put you down. How do you cope with it now you, because I know you said you had that phallia early on and that really put you down. How do you cope with it now when it doesn't go well like that? I think you learn pretty quickly, especially with something like stand up that there are going to be rough gigs and it's not always in your control.

Sometimes you can turn a gig around, sometimes you absolutely can't, but you see really good acts have rough gig sometimes and you're like, it's just the nature of the bass. And one bad gig doesn't define you, just like one good gig doesn't define you. So and I think it also, when it's early, because I had early success, like I was doing really well with raw comedy and stuff like that, that I ended ended up going to the I got through the national final Wow, and the national final was my seventh ever gig like I was really green But other people didn't know how new I was

So I always felt like early on I felt like I had to be really good every gig because they expected more of me But I think it comes down to every gig because they expected more of me. But I think it comes down to, like you don't judge a comedian based on one performance you see of theirs, because I've seen people, like the first time I saw them, they bombed, and then I've had it in my head that that person sucks.

Then you might see them again later, and they're absolutely destroying, and you're like, oh, no, I was wrong. I saw them on and off night. And so now I'm a bit more confident in the fact that people in the comedy community know me and know that I'm a capable comedian. So if I have a bad gig, it was a bad gig. I'm not a bad comedian. So I think that that helps with rough gigs now, because you go, I'm not a bad comedian.

That was a bad gig. And that's it. That's like life advice. Yeah. And all, hey, like your mistakes don't define who you are. They're just things that happen to you. Things that happen. And same with good things. They don't necessarily define who you are.

Yeah. Well, I guess they hopefully they do more so than the bad things, but like, yeah, you can't do one good deed and be like, well, I'm a good person now. Like it's, yeah. We are metal-erranty-neck and just be like, I'm excellent good person now. Like it's yeah. We are metal-eranty Nick and just be like, I'm excellent everybody. Did the dishes. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. Wanting it. Winnie at life. Winnie? Winnie. Yeah. Exactly.

And I often struggle with that too, I think. And doing these podcasts has been really good in that way that you start to learn that there's always another thing. And there's always something else to try or something else to experiment with. And if you just give up at the very first head or you're never going to make anything, you know, you're denying yourself all these amazing opportunities. Yeah, and to really be good at something, you have to keep building on it. Absolutely.

Lots of little steps. Yeah. Yeah. And you often don't quite realize that you've become good at something. Like somebody was asking me recently, my friend Naomi, she was gonna be doing like a demo with a radio station.

And she asked for some tips about radio. And I kind of thought like, fuck divine, I don't know what I'm doing. But then I gave her all this advice and I was like, oh, maybe I do kind of have an idea of what I'm doing with, I don't know what I'm doing. But then I gave her all this advice and I was like, oh, maybe I do kind of have an idea of what I'm doing. With something I've been doing for about five years. So yeah, you probably have some idea.

And I'm still learning. There's still heaps that I can learn from it, but I do know something. Yeah, I've done five years. You know a lot. And you kind of know what you're doing in a way. Yeah. Absolutely. So I think it sneaks up on you and you're like, oh, shit. I know what you're doing in a way. Yeah, absolutely.

So I think it sneaks up on you and you're like, Oh shit, I know what I'm doing. Yeah, it's really nice. And then I think I also can teach you, once you get to that moment, then you realize, I actually know I don't know. Yeah, that too. I don't know everything.

Yeah, so it's a continual learning process. Yeah. Yeah, so tell me about Duke Owen. How did that eventuate? My favorite thing. The boys have told me that they recorded a couple of episodes. I think it was originally Dave's ideas, what I heard. That's what Dave was saying on the show.

We interviewed him. Dave's idea, and he did it with Matt, because Matt also had a bit of a trivia background. And they just sort of found that it was a bit hard with two voices because you sort of got one person doing their report and one other person going, yeah, that's interesting. It's really hard to riff. Yeah. And I remember being at a gig in Futscray and Matt was on and we were just sort of chatting afterwards and he was just very casually leaning against a table

and he just said, oh like Dave and I have been doing this podcast and wanted a few wanted to come in and join us for it and I was like, yeah, okay, I guess I didn't really know much about podcasts I just liked both of those guys because I'd met them through the community radio I'd been doing and they both came on my web series and which is great by the way. Yeah. I guess that was that was me just wanting to make something. It was just a passion project. I was like I just want to make something. This is an idea I've had and one of my friends was just like

then we're doing it, we're making it. And we did. And it was really cool. But it also meant I got to... It was sort of my first introduction to stupid old studios and all of those guys and um meant I met a lot of people which was cool. But apparently Matt and Dave was sort of talking and it was like, oh you know who do you think we should get? And I think, let's say Dave said what about Jess Perkins and Matt went, I was thinking her too. So I was sort of like they both thought of me and brought me in and here we are a couple of years later still going.

I know, it's the best. It's my favorite thing that I do. Really? Yeah, absolutely. Why? Because it's genuinely so fun, like we really enjoy it. We never would have thought it would turn into what it has turned into. Like if you told me two and a half years ago that in two and a half years you're gonna have a joint bank account with Matsu and Dave Warnakie, I'd be like, why?

Why am I gonna have that? Yeah, so we're like, it's like a business now. And but I think if you get into a podcast thinking, well, this is gonna be my job and it's gonna be how I makeaps of money. It's not going to happen because you're coming in at the wrong angle. It was where you just came in at like this is fun. And it still is, it's still always fun. I can be in a really bad mood or I can be really down. And I'll head for the studio knowing that just talking to them is going to cheer me up. And I've always does. They annoy me.

And I'm other than them. And that annoys Matt. But, um, yeah, they're like two of my best mates now and it's my favourite thing that I do. It comes across in the show, definitely. Because I think that's a feedback I feel from people a lot that they just laugh along with you. Yeah. Because it's not just the reports, but the friendship that you have and the way that you interact with each other and make fun of each other. Yeah, but it's, we make fun of each other, but it's with a lot of love.

Yeah. It always comes from, what doesn't come from a good place when you're making fun of someone, but there's no malice, there's no bad intentions. It is always friendly. And that means that the way people interact with us is much the same too. Like they'll muck around with us and they'll hang shit on us,

but it's always in a pretty friendly way. Yeah. And I think the way that you interact on a podcast determines how people interact with you as well. 100%. Yeah. So we're very lucky that we are friendly with one another because people tend to be nice to us as well Which is good. Please don't abuse me on Twitter. No, I like it. I think that's ultimately the whole planet broadcasting thing is like that

And it is it's because of the way people speak to each other on their shows and then in the community we're trying to build that kind of positive stuff which I think is really rare on the internet. Yeah. The internet sounds like it can be a really scary place for women. Yeah. Do you? Yes. Have you ever experienced that? Yeah.

I mean, we get quite a lot of feedback from podcasts, whether it's reviews on iTunes, or whether it's tweets, or emails, or Facebook, whatever it is. We get heaps. And 98% of it is really positive. And yeah, the small percentage that isn't, I find I get the most feedback in general. Like where the positive or negative, I'll get the most feedback, but the negative stuff is pretty rough sometimes. And the boys are amazing in that they will back me

whatever I decide to do. So generally we would always ignore, we won't engage with a bully or anything like that. What was really nice though is that the other listeners will. So remember once this guy was like trolling us on Instagram. He didn't even follow us, but he would look us up and just leave abusive messages about me.

Like wishing death upon me and calling me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he was saying that the boys were starting to sound like me and get rid of her, get a real host on stuff like that. Oh my God. Calling me fat and things like that too. And I was just like, oh my God on stuff like that. Oh my God. Calling me fat and things like that too, and I was just like, oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my God. And you know, you read it, on first reading, you're kind of like, Jesus. But then I've like, read it again and go, what the fuck is he talking about? Like, yeah. What, and then we would discuss it with the boys because sometimes I just need to kind of vent.

I just need them to go, that sucks dude. You know, and then I'm fine, but they'll always back me with whatever I want to do. So if I want to engage with someone and shut someone down, they'll back me, that's fine, or generally will ignore. But with this guy, a couple other people would like comment and be like, dude, what are you talking about? Or don't listen if you hate it so much.

Jess is the best and like, they'd be really supportive. And I was like, okay, these guys are all right. That's awesome. But you do get some weird stuff so yeah especially being female and a lot of marriage proposals and you're just like you don't know me no I'm not gonna beat your girlfriend no no thanks no not random internet man I'm good I'm good I didn't know that. Yeah. Did you not know that you got that kind of feedback?

Yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah. Why do you think, like other than just, do you think it is just that you're a woman and you're being in comedy? I don't know exactly what it is. I think it's, it can be so many different factors. I think it is a woman.

I think it's a funny woman, which is intimidating, because that means intelligent woman. But also, most people will really like my laugh. It's got a quite a loud laugh. It's the best. I love your laugh. A lot of people do, and that's really, really nice, but you'll get other people like,

shot, ah. I'm like, well, don't listen, guys. Yeah, don't listen. If you hate it that much, it's part of what I contribute to the show. Yeah. It's infectious. One of my favorite parts.

It's so silly. But yeah, so it is a bit strange. I'm not entirely sure what it is that motivates people to send hate, but it does tend to be, I don't know, maybe the boys get it, and I don't see it as much, but they definitely don't like me sometimes, but I don't care.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you get to a point where you're just like, no, I'm secure in what I'm doing and I'm gonna focus on the good feedback. Yeah. And constructive criticism, I'm always very open to, but just saying like

You're shit and you're not funny and you're laughs annoying. I'm like, well, that's not very constructive is it? No, that's not change any of those things. So move on. Thanks. Bye There is a kind of thing because James gets that a lot on Mr. Sonny movies and his YouTube particularly they get like they have a whole segment on their show called Hate Mail, which is just that James reading out death threats and like ridiculous things people say. And he deals with it by, yeah, just laughing about it. You have to.

And in a way, you sort of think the bigger that you get, if you're not getting hate mail yet, that means you're not that big. You're right. That's a great way of looking at it. If you're getting hate mal you're like yeah I think I've made it now. Yeah I've done it. Yeah but I do think there is something about that whole men being threatened thing. Yeah. Which I don't understand because I would never write to someone I mean I've very very really write to anyone on the internet that I follow anyway. But I can't ever imagine being like,

I don't know what I'm gonna say, you're an idiot. Like, you laugh, like. It's so strange, I would never do that either. But it's also the thing that bothers me is that, like, I would get feedback that has nothing to do with what I'm employed to do. So my job, I have many jobs, but mostly is to be a comedian, to do a podcast or to do with what I'm employed to do. So my job, I have many jobs, but mostly is to be a comedian, to do a podcast or to do radio. That's what I'm there for. So I

actually get, like, and it sounds so stupid, but I get really annoyed when people will be like, you're pretty. Not that that happens often, I'm not bragging, but like if people just like, yeah, guys will send me messages on Instagram or anywhere and just be like you're so beautiful. I'm like that's not my job. No! Don't compliment me on that. That's not what I'm employed for. I'm intelligent and I'm funny. That's what I'm employed for. You can say I think you're really funny or thanks for making a great podcast or whatever whatever or the opposite if that's what you want But don't talk about my looks. I that's not what I'm here for That bothers me for some reason. Well, I think that's reasonable, but it's just like

No, peace off. Yeah, I Completely understand. Why do you think it bothers you? Because I don't want to be seen as because that feels like it's something you'd only say to a woman. I don't feel like the boys get gosh your handsome. Oh love that outfit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God you look good or aren't you cute. I feel like it's just something that men feel it's okay to say to women. But it's not. And it's not, yeah, you don't know me for starters. We're not friends.

If a friend comes up to me and says, you look nice today or, oh, you've had a haircut, that looks good, whatever, that's fine. And a lot of the time it can be friendly. And that's fine. And it's funny that people will notice that I have a haircut and we'll say, oh, just your hair looks good.

And that's fine, that's not creepy or anything. It's when it crosses that boundary, and it's a bit creepy or a bit too personal or something. It's like, no. I've got one once that I just ignored. It said something like, all three of you on the podcast are really funny, but you're the only one who's also truly beautiful.

Something like that. I was just like, gross, dude, just say you're all funny. Just say you're all really funny, and I like the show. Leave it at that. Exactly. This is such an important conversation I think just like, gross, dude, just say you're all funny. Just say you're all really funny and I like the show. Leave it at that. Exactly. This is such an important conversation I think to have because I'm sure there are a lot of blokes out there and a lot would be like, but I'm saying you're beautiful.

I'm giving you a compliment. What is the problem? And I think I went to Cili Picolis show last night and she was talking a little bit about the whole me two stuff. All of this conversation and I think it's about us saying this kind of stuff and guys hearing it and being like, oh, it's not okay if I don't know you. And I like what you do to then sort of, it feels like you're objectifying us. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Like just the way we look. Yep. I'm just an objectifying us. Yeah, exactly. And to something like just the way we look. Yep, I'm just an object. Yeah. But I'm not, I'm a fully formed human. I can attest to that. You're in my house. Sitting on the couch.

I'm real. I'm a person I have feelings sometimes too many feelings. And I work really hard on lots of different things. One of which is not my looks or my appearance, that's not what I'm here for. Yeah. I'm, my job is to entertain you and make you laugh. Yeah. I'm not an object.

Yeah. So, yeah, when people will, like I remember, a live show we did a little while ago, a guy walked in and he was like, hi Jess and he was really lovely and we chatted a bit and he goes, I love your shirt. I said, thank you, it's new. I don't know how I feel about it. He goes, no, I love it. It's great. I said, thanks very much. In the context, it can be fine. That's fine. But yeah, it's when you just get random messages, it does, it irks me a bit too, because I'm just like, I'm not an object. I'm not, me a bit too because I'm just like I'm not an object, I'm not yeah I'm not decorative yeah yeah and that you wouldn't say that to a bloke in the same way yeah I mean I don't because actually when I think about it James and

Maceau get a lot of mail and emails but they very rarely get emails that are like you're beautiful. Yeah. You know, they might get when James had really faced a few people like, well, he's pretty good-looking handsome. We thought he was going to be a troll. And you know, that was okay. That's fine. But it's not done very often.

Yes. And it's very rarely what they really value about their skill set. And in a way that's kind of like they're mucking around a little bit there anyway in that context. So it's like, oh, he's all right. Looking thought he was going to be a troll in a way that's kind of like they're mucking around a little bit there anyway in that context where it's like, oh he's all right, looking, thought he was gonna be a troll. Like that's kind of funny.

Yeah. But yeah, off it will be like, Matt and Dave are so funny, Jess you're gorgeous. And it's like, fuck you. I'm hilarious. If you don't think I'm that funny, that's fine, whatever. But like I'm not there as a, you're right, a decorative, I'm not decorative.

You're not the bobble. Yeah. A triumph. Wow. Well, a part way of a triumph. So far, a triumph. I look to be honest, we've stopped it there because I don't think brains could take in any more charisma.

What was your favorite part? Oh, if I had to appear good, Brio, you know, I really liked how it started with the introduction. And then from there, the middle section was so good. I do actually genuinely like her introduction because unknowingly she introduces me with a quote from Amy Poler, who's one of my favorite, like performers ever.

So I was like, oh, well done, don't you? Well done. Well done. Yeah. That's why they call it the ton. Don't they? Don't they? Now most people would think that we've just recorded the intro

then recorded the outro, but we did sit here, listen to it, staring at just the whole time. Yeah, I was very uncomfortable. Yeah, well, she got comfortable as we went and started mowling both parts. And then eventually getting up and playing the roles, blocking and facing different directors. You could tell the difference too, but my portrayal of-

That does a call it is. Yeah, of me and also my portrayal of Claire. With just one look. I know, I'm very talented. That's all it took. Actress. If you want to hear the rest of that episode, you can obviously go and do that at Just Make the Thing, which you can find on iTunes or other podcast app places.

That's right. PlannerBroadcasting.com. People have been really lovely about the episode as well. I've had some really positive and nice feedback about it. If you'd like to give positive feedback, please feel free. Negative feedback can fuck off. Right. That's a general rule.

Yeah, I'm not joking. Just keep it to yourself. But if you've got nice things to say, share them around, not just to me, I mean in general, in just life, you know, you enjoy the meal at a restaurant, let them know, you're hated it, just leave, I mean, pay. But don't do a run-up. Well, I was on the way out. So yeah.

Well, I mean, it's not worth paying for, but I'm not gonna be a prick, just leave. Yeah, just leave the thing, my podcast, where I steal from restaurants. Oh, Dave, you're going to get a prison. Yeah. Alright guys, we'll be back with our normal episode at a regular time in a few days, but until then, go out and just make the thing.

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