Two In The Think Tank - Government Cheese - Do Go On Mini

Episode Date: July 20, 2020

Which page of history involves the dairy industry, the welfare system and multiple American presidents? Yes, this one goes all the way to the top, it's Government Cheese!Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/aI8wp3p_tosCheck out the new season of Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Listen Now: https://play.acast.com/s/listen-now/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasReferences and further reading:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wn7mgq/wtf-happened-to-government-cheesehttps://www.history.com/news/government-cheese-dairy-farmers-reaganhttps://www.tastecooking.com/tyranny-comfort-government-cheese/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheesehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/food/1981/12/17/the-big-cheese-storing-the-surplus/0e54d36a-4bd9-416a-a773-55d40ea8fd74/https://www.nytimes.com/1981/12/23/us/surplus-cheese-goes-to-poor-as-president-signs-farm-bill.html

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presidents? Yes, this one goes all the way to the top. I'm talking about government cheese. Oh my gosh, welcome to the show. And my very special guest this week, I've got Jessica Perkins and David Hornicky. Good evening. And who are you?

Oh, I'm Matt Stewart. So is that important? Yeah, Matt Stewart. For the people. Have a right to know. Oh, well, they have a right to know as much as you are willing to let them know. Okay, well I'm gonna go and miss the Stewart then.

Okay, great. I don't wanna let them know that my first name is Matt. Yeah, cool. Let's not tell them that your first name is Matt. Okay, can you add gonna go and miss the Stuart thing. Okay, great. I don't wanna let them know that my first name is Matt. Yeah, cool. Let's not tell them that your first name is Matt. Okay, can you edit that bit out? Just bleep the maps there, including that one then. Thanks Evan. Actually bleep out Evan as well,

because I don't want them to, you didn't give me permission to let them know who you are either. Are we allowed to say your name Matt? Or is that beat? No, that's fine. Okay. So we can say Matt, but you can't say... Okay. Because if I say it, but you can't say... Okay.

Because if I say it, then they'll know it's me, but if you say it could be anyone. Sure. I'm gonna tell you that guy behind you. Oh, I mean... Blape that one out as well, because he also hasn't even mentioned his name. Anyway, this week, I'm gonna tell you all about

the story of government cheese. My son, I wrote. No, but I'm loving it. Government cheese. Have you ever heard of government cheese? It's a very confusing topic. Like, the concept is confusing to me. OK.

So I can't wait for you to unconfuse me. To me, it's very appealing, because there's two things I like in this one. It's cheese and government. Oh, me too. When I saw it suggested I'm like, what do you just do? Sizzard.

All right. Government and cheese can finally come together. Yeah, sizzling. What are you? I was just asking. I wanted to just one of the clarification. That's all. I wasn't able to go.

Okay, I hope not. Because what you did was fine, Dave. Thank you. Matt. Let us begin. The US government owned commodity credit corporation was given authority to purchase dairy products from farmers in 1949 to help prop up the dairy market and keep farmers afloat. Oh, okay.

So they're just buying up dairy. Well, they're allowed to, yeah. Is that answer just a question already? Well, it sort of solves it, doesn't it? Right. So this government cheeses they bought a buying up dairy. Well, they're allowed to, yeah. Does that answer just the question already? Well, it's sort of solves it, doesn't it? Right, so this government cheeses, they bought a bunch of dairy products. Yeah. Okay, cool.

Well, sort of made the next few paragraphs, a little bit superfluous, now that you understand it already. But anyway, let me- Yeah, just in case. Just in case. I mean, some of them probably aren't as quick as you. You're like this. Nobody people are.

What are they like? They're like, click. They say click before the click. Wow. They're stupid. Resulting from a shortage of dairy products, in 1973, the price of foods like cheese shot up by around 30%. The government got involved, but this backfired,

as the intervention was partially responsible for the price of dairy going the other way, dropping super low. In 1977, under freshly elected president Jimmy Carter, the government injected $2 billion into the industry in a four-year period. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. In a short period of time. What a cheese, you think. Too much cheese. People call it bread and stuff. So they don't call it cheese.

That's a lot of cheese. But maybe they should. Maybe they should. If not, they should, yeah. Put a bread on top. It starts now. You got any bread? I'm talking about camera, man.

You want me to fast cheese and camera. So through the 70s, dairy farmers had a yo-yo between being broke and then flush with cash But after this latest invention they were flush once again. Oh They could now sell as much milk as they were able to produce and the government would buy whatever the market didn't What did the government do with all this milk they were buying? Well, they turned it into products with a longer shelf life. Things like butter, milk powder, and yes, cheese. I'm sorry. Okay.

Sorry. You got quite aggressive, though. Yes, sorry that we... We were going. I'm so sorry if we were giving it a five, so we did not believe you. Yeah, good to see you. You're prominent as cheese. You're the cheese. You're prominent as cheese.

You're prominent. You're prominent as cheese. You're prominent as cheese. You're prominent as cheese. I'll have a milk powder. Government milk powder. Yuck, whatever, butter. Get out of here.

Cheese, I'm listening. Not classic cheese, admittedly. What do you mean by classic cheese? Not your classic cheese. String cheese, so they can fucking be a stringer. You're closer to the point because normal cheese also doesn't have a super long shelf line. Hang on, so there's classic cheese, there's normal cheese.

Would normal cheese and classic cheese are the same? Right. You know, you can, yeah, coming together. Process cheese is what they're making. Also known as plastic cheese or cheese product. Oh, that's not good. So, some of that product. If I have five kilos of cheese product food.

Yeah, all right. Well, you want to get involved in government cheese. Process cheese is made with regular cheese, with the addition of other products, like whey, emulizers, preservatives, and that delicious food colouring. We make it yellow. Make it more yellow. Make it such an unnatural yellow

that there's no question that it's not real cheese. And often over there, it's orange. Yeah, that's the American cheese is orange or jack cheese. I don't think you can call it that. I don't sound good. The only jack. Yeah, oh, that is a confusion. Legally processed cheese is not allowed to be sold

as cheese in America and has to be labelled as cheese food. Oh. But it has many benefits over regular cheese. The most relevant in this case is its longer shelf life. Admittedly, it's still in last forever. But it did last longer than normal cheese because of the preservatives and the amulizers, whatever they are. Do you know what the other benefits are? I can't think of what the other benefits. Well, I mean, it's more consistent. They know exactly what it's going to do because it's been created by science. Yeah. Run, leave it to nature. The art artists in the bloody dairy industry.

These hippie-dippy times. Oh, yes, we let the blue veins go wild. Not in cheese products. No, no, no. As the farmers produce more and more milk, the government started to have so much dairy product. They didn't know what to do with it. Eventually, they had as much as 500 million pounds of processed cheese. Where is it? It was stored across 35 different states in all sorts of storage

facilities. How much again, sorry? 500 million pounds. That's too much. I mean, the enjoying chance was like, like, are they guarded by like the army or something? Yeah. So they actually made security guards out of cheese. They had so much, they just put sunglasses on a glob of cheese. Cheese protecting cheese. It's like the terracotta army. This was a terracotta rum.

No, so two soldiers were like, yeah. No, that was the thing with processed cheese. They were all exactly the same. Consistency was key. You know what you're getting. Yeah. Are they all called Jack? key. You know what you're getting. Yeah. They all called Jack. Yes. They're all Jack. Yeah. Eventually they, yeah, they had as much as five million pounds. That's so much. So much. And in 1981, when a member of the United States Department of Agriculture

was asked what should be done with all the cheese, he told a Washington Post, quote, probably the cheapest and most practical thing to do would be to dump it in the cheese. He told a Washington Post, quote, probably the cheapest and most practical thing to do would be to dump it in the ocean. That's the cheapest. Oh, imagine wet cheese. Oh, you'd probably not gonna eat it after that, eh? No. The fish-like cheese? Salty.

Yeah, yeah, fish-like cheese. Well, who doesn't love cheese? The most practical. That's a lie. I didn't like cheese for a long time. I think, yeah. I was late to cheese. Oh. I'm making up for it.

I was early to cheese. I've never left. By this stage, they had more than two pounds of cheese for every person in America. It got to the point that the government was storing so much cheese that they basically started paying farmers to not produce it. They did this by buying their cows. Ah, that'll do it. Yeah. We'll just take those and put them in a storage facility.

It's got to buy men-made cheese. No, men made of cows. It's not very important. It's a distinction. America was drowning in cheese, though this wasn't really known publicly until Secretary of Agriculture John are Block. No. Block of cheese. Block of cheese. He brought one of the five-pound bricks of deteriorating cheese to a White House event showing it to the assembled press and stating, we've got 60 million of these that the government owns. It's moldy, it's deteriorating. We can't find a market for it, we can't sell it, and we're looking to try to give some of it away.

He was freaking out. He put it to the wire man. Try, they have an a function. Yeah, they're sitting on derbs and he, people are like, oh, cheese, I don't eat it, it's disgusting. But take it home. It's something like a huge brick. Build your homes with it, I don't care. It's like gold bullions brick. Build your homes with an Anakir.

It's like gold bullions. Yeah, of cheese. It is bottled more. That's gross. Hi, icons. It's Danny Pellegrino from the Pop Culture Podcast, everything iconic, and I love Nordstrom. No place better to shop, particularly during the holiday season, because they have everything. They have holiday decor at Nordstrom.

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Rottled Reagan became president in 1981, and the early 80s were dog by recessions. Despite this, Reagan pledged to reduce the federal food stamp program. In light of all this, news of huge government food stores sitting unused didn't go down well with certain segments of the American people. And pressure grew on Reagan to release the cheese. It's not a campaign. Release the cheese.

Release the cheese to the people who need it. It doesn't seem like that. It makes sense. You've got all this cheese. We're going through a recession. People are hungry. Give them cheese. No, but honestly, I still think the cheapest and easiest thing to do would be to dump it in the ocean.

Yeah, that makes my sense, I think. By December 1981, Reagan bowed to these pressures, saying, At a time when American families are under increasing financial pressure, their government cannot sit by and watch millions of pounds of food turned away. Before announcing a heed, released 30 million pounds of the cheese to those who needed it. This signaled the start of the temporary emergency food assistance program, which started distributing five pound blocks of cheese to the elderly and low-income owners. The error of government cheese was here. So, so, the elderly and low-income,

and they're just giving them cheese. It's part of it, yeah. They still get food stamps, and on top of what they're already getting, they would also get a huge block of cheese monthly. And you can do whatever you want with it. Whatever you want. Well, that's your choice. As a, I mean, it sounds like it, you're you can do whatever you want with it. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. Well, it's your choice.

I mean, it sounds like it, you're probably gonna do whatever you want with it because it wasn't the most versatile of cheeses. Apparently very good on a toasted sandwich. That's what I was thinking. Very good with macaroni. Ooh! Then you need a hand out like a cheese cookbook.

Yeah, somebody, okay. Somebody can make a cheese cookbook. Yes. Okay. Out of the cheese. Papers out. Yeah, cheeses in. They're all having like crazy cheese dreams,

like half of America's just losing their shit at night. I imagine so. I'm documented, but yeah, that was, well, a lot of crazy 80s things happen. Name an example and that would be, that would be a good opportunity for you. Your birth. Yes, that was because of American government cheese.

Parachute pants. Parachute pants, MC Hammer. Well, I thought I was being chased by wolves so I thought I'd put on parachute pants. Cheese drains are a crisis. They're real, they're real things. Due to the nature of the cheese handouts, many remember it as a stinky symbol

of the hard times they were going through and a pungent promotion of their lower socioeconomic status. Oh, that sucks. So well in sentence, though. Yeah, beautiful sentence, poetry. But the image is sad. Yeah, it is.

So it's a, some people look back of it with sort of mixed memories, like writer Bobby Dempsey, who calls the cheese, Daeglo Orange Matter that provided equal parts, sustenance and humiliation. Oh, yeah, that's no good.

Because if you were getting it, it meant that you were not earning enough to be able to fit, yeah, okay. So in her essay titled The Tyranny and the Comfort of Government Cheese, Dempsey went on to write, in the school cafeteria, or when a friend came over and peered in the fridge,

the cheese was a source of infinite shame, a clear indicator of our financial situation. But she also remembers that when no one else was watching, my siblings and I liked the cheese, or at least learned to tolerate it. My younger brother was probably the biggest fan, believing then, and still now,

that it made for the best grilled cheese sandwiches. Love a grilled cheese. Others look back on the cheese nostalgicly, like food right at Tracy Lynn Lloyd, who wrote, if someone made me a grilled cheese with government cheese today, I probably couldn't eat it. It would be far too salty for my current taste. I guess that's because of the ocean. Yeah, that'll do it.

I have to fetch it out. But I'd still take one of what? What a wreaths. Just for the ocean. Yeah, that'll do it. I have to fetch it out. But I'd still take one of mine. What a wreaths. Just for the memories. Yeah, right. So now she's progressed and her palette has matured now. Like a fine cheese product. Only the finest cheese products for her.

One angle we haven't discussed yet is that not everyone can eat cheese. Miles Carp wrote in an article for VICE that according to the University of Georgia, 75% of African Americans, 51% of Latinos, and 80% of Asian Americans, a lactose intolerant, versus 21% of Caucasians. Because minorities historically have been heavily

represented in welfare programs, the government wasn't really doing American butts a favor. Oh, that's fast enough. Oh, sorry, just again, an amazing sentence. Yeah, like a sentence out, so like, oh wow, the political, really scientific butts. Okay. Mars comp as a way, doesn't he?

Well, you're not doing my butt any favors. Rotate back to our level at the end, super. Why do you think a little bit more about my butt when you're making your government decisions? But isn't that, that's pretty amazing. Like Caucasians with at one in five lactose intolerant up to four and five Asian Americans lactose intolerant. So it means the vast majority of people getting the cheese

can't eat it. And if they do, it's really... Distressing misstom stomachs and their butts. Yeah, and then that doesn't include vegans and people who just don't like cheese. Yep. Me as a child. How did it taste though?

Is it probably a question on your lips? Saltier I've heard. Yeah, but it also is often described as a mild cheddar. That's sort of a look. Okay. Some remember it being perfect for things like macaroni and cheese. And there are companies who still use it today. There's a burger chain called Walbergs.

We still use government cheese in all their burgers. I guess it's a nostalgia thing. For many American kids growing up in the 80s, government cheese was one of the main staples in their diet. But all good things must come to an end. And when the dairy market stabilized in the 80s, government cheese was one of the main staples in their diet. But all good things must come to an end. And when the dairy market stabilized in the 90s, the government no longer had to hoard so much cheese. And so it's bit sad in the end.

There's a bit sad about all that cheese, you know. What could it be? Got eight, no I guess. Eighten. Got eighten. Oh my God, eighten. That's not the word, is it? No, that's right.

If you think that was the end of it though, you'd be wrong. Oh. Because in 2018, the Secretary of the Agricultural Department, Sonny Perdue, announced that the commodity credit corporation will once again be used to help subsidize the dairy industry by paying farmers up to $11 billion for their losses. That's for one farmer. One farmer. Wow. Imagine one farmer. One farmer. Wow.

Imagine being that one lucky farmer. Get 11 billion dollars. Yeah, one man. One man with it. One Sean Casey. Yay. Who's Sean Casey? Did you really just make that up?

Oh, it's a farmer. That feels like you rigged the system. Is your friend of yours? Yeah, you did that with so much confidence. Yeah. I shouldn't have called him Uncle Sean. Uncle Casey, hold confidence. Yeah, I shouldn't have called him Uncle Sean. I can't see. Hold here.

Single Uncle and I'm his favourite nephew, Sean. I don't know that. No, no, no, no. So the 90s, the stockpile, went right back down again. Right. But as of 2018, the national cheese stockpile hit a new all-time high what with nearly 1.4 billion pounds of surplus cheese Sitting in warehouses across America. Why are they why stop making it? I think yeah They get caught a cycle of keeping dairy farmers afloat and then seems like there's long periods where they

Self-sustainable or whatever. So how much is there as a 20-year-old? 1.4 billion pounds. Fuck me, that's so much cheese. It's a lot of cheese. Yeah, it seems like a weird system. It just feels like there's got to be a better way, but then when they can find something

good to do with it, what? So it's a system works, but then when they can find something good to do with it, what? Well, the system works, which it maybe does. Yeah. I guess, yeah. I should say I haven't done any economics study since year 11 when I did fine. So.

I can't hear it. Could you have got a real expert with us here? Oh yeah. How did you go? How did you go on food tech with cheese? Oh, I failed. Failed miserably. So government cheeses now back.

In 2018 Bobby Dempsey who we heard from before wrote, Recently our family came full circle. As my mother began once again receiving the blocks of government cheese as part of food boxes distributed to low-income senior citizens. My mother's dietary restrictions prevent her from eating the cheese, so she passed it along to me and my sister. Seeing the same brick-shaped boxes I know so well, I immediately felt the old familiar contradictory mix of emotions.

Shame plus something like reverence, this staple of my childhood, that provided my family with critical sustenance. Oh, that's sentenced and with him talking about a butt. Yeah. Yeah, well, there's a different writer. Oh, right. The woman now, with a different name.

So that's me. So that might be why. Miles Carp finishes all his paragraphs of thoughts. So sorry. Often confused my butt writers. Yeah. Did she write this? That pretty much brings me to the end of the story.

But there is a quick fun fact. Government cheese has been referenced in a bunch of different songs over the years, including ones by Jay-Z and Kendrick Lamar. I'd never heard of it until very recently, but in America it's a big thing. And they call it Government cheese. Government cheese. Ha! So fun.

That's so fun. Yeah, I don't know. I feel because I can't, without being there, I can't fully get my head around it, but as a kid who loved huge boxes, we were, you know, huge home brand books of cheese growing up, it sounds very similar to what I would have had in my fridge as a kid.

Yeah. But yeah, that was, I didn't know shame, so. I wonder if you two have matured in your palate for cheese. Yeah, I think so. I think I have. to have matured in your palate for cheese. Yeah, I think so. I think I have. Okay, quick fire round, favorite cheese. Ah, blue cheese. Favorite cheese.

I love a hard cheddar, big cheddar. A sharp cheddar. Yeah, a sharp cheddar. I had one that was, had vinegar through it the other night and it was delicious. What? Yum. Jess, you have ever cheese?

Bri, double Bri. Get out of here, triple Bri. Bri, double Bri, double Bri. No, no. Eight times Bri, ah! Ah! Ah, no! I'm kidding!

You got me, I don't like cheese at all. Oh! Well, that's it for government cheese. This is a spin-off of our podcast, Do Go On, with over 200 episodes to listen to. If you like this topic, check out some of our other food-related episodes, like the history of McDonald's, the great maple syrup ice and the Glasgow ice cream walls. Subscribe for free on your favourite podcast app, and be sure to subscribe to this channel to check out our other videos. Why don't you mention our episode on government cream?

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