Doughboys - Blue Bottle with Kate Berlant

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

Kate Berlant (@kateberlant, Cinnamon in the Wind) joins the 'boys to talk LA eats, massages, and Italy before a review of Blue Bottle Coffee. Plus, another edition of Jingle All The Whey.Watch this episode at youtube.com/doughboysmediaGet ad-free episodes at patreon.com/doughboysGet Doughboys merch at kinshipgoods.com/doughboysAdvertise on Doughboys via Gumball.fmSources for this week's intro:https://www.npr.org/2011/04/04/95550189/artie-shaw-the-reluctant-jazz-starhttps://www.arts.gov/honors/jazz/artie-shawhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Artie-Shawhttps://artieshaw.com/wives-of-artie-shaw/https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/blue-bottle-coffee-went-from-single-coffee-cart-to-700-million-brand.htmlhttps://www.tastingtable.com/1209076/blue-bottle-coffee-was-named-after-a-famous-european-coffee-shop/https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/oct/04/ontario-six-nations-nestle-running-waterhttps://techcrunch.com/2017/09/14/nestle-acquires-a-majority-stake-in-blue-bottle-coffee/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. Want to watch this episode? Check it out on our YouTube channel at youtube.com slash doughboysmedia. None of them were real marriages. They were legalized affairs. In those days, you couldn't get a lease on an apartment if you were living in sin. This was Arthur Arshoski, who achieved worldwide fame as clarinetist and bandleader Artie Shaw. Exploding onto the jazz scene in the 1930s, Shaw was an innovative virtuoso but difficult collaborator. The latter quality

transposed onto his eight marriages and myriad affairs with some of the most famous starlets of the era. Among his octet of spouses were actresses Lana Turner, Evelyn Keys, Doris Dowling, and Ava Gardner, who famously trumpeted later partner Frank Sinatra's clarinet-sized hog. Shaw also had confirmed or rumored relationships with Joan Crawford, Judy Garland, Betty Grable, Rita Hayworth, and Lena Horne. Such was the cultural preeminence of jazz music in the first half of the 20th century that a professional clarinetist could earn a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame and become the nation's preeminent poon hound.

But in our time, even a gainfully employed reed smith who performs regular gigs may struggle to pay the bills. Such was the case with Oakland clarinetist James Freeman, who found his hobby of home coffee roasting to prove more lucrative than his woodwind concerts. In January 2004, Freeman opened a coffee cart in San Francisco, which became a Bay Area hotspot, and a brick and mortar soon followed,

as well as a rush of investor money from Tech Bro fanboys. The store expanded into a chain and became a favorite of yoga mat-carrying coastal elites. In 2015, a newly opened Tokyo location reportedly drew four-hour lines. In 2017, the upscale coffee concept was acquired for a staggering $700 million by Nestle, a glossy sheen over the company's outrageous practice of thieving drinking water from indigenous communities and then bottling it in non-recyclable plastic. Today, the original American art form of jazz is viewed as quaint or pretentious, employed as background music on the Weather Channel, or used as shorthand to portray a movie character as

sophisticated. It feels bizarre that there was ever a time when the so-called King of the Clarinet could get more pussy than Derek Jeter. And Freeman's own path from clarinet player to coffee mogul perhaps also shows that our soul-sick society has shifted its chief aspiration not from artistic achievement or romantic partnerships but sheer accumulation of wealth. This week on Doughboyz, Blue Bottle Coffee. Welcome to Doughboyz, the podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Nick Weiger, along with my co-host,

texter, parody of Dexter, the Spoon Man, Mike Mitchell. Like I text a lot? Like you text a lot, like you're on your phone. All right. Mitch, I'm using that one because it's from Alex Browser. P.S. I was an intern on the Birthday Boys Season Two. I love you and Mitch you, Mitch.

And then an asterisk. And also it was kind of a nice, it was a nicer roast. It was a nicer roast, it wasn't cruel, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't a Brady roast level roast. It wasn't a... We all remember the Brady roast. We all remember the Brady roast

from six months ago at this point. Alex included an asterisk on intern, unpaid intern, rocetbirdfuck.com, do better, IFC. Mitch, Toronto is over. We're back in the studio here in November. Toronto is over. Toronto is over. And you know what else is over?

You came up to Toronto twice, this sounds like. That's right, we had a great time. I think we probably did it all in one. We did it all in one. And also, everyone came, it was fun. The other thing is that we are on the other side of what has dominated the discourse for this calendar year, the 2024 presidential election.

So how about that? It's November? It's November, Mitch. Congrats. Congrats, President Trump. No, no. I just have to guess. Mitch, I'll cover our bases. Congrats, President Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

All right, I think we're covered. Yeah, we're covered, we're good. Those are two options. What a time, we've been making these episodes, recording these in advance for a number of reasons, but, well, for one reason. But today it feels cartoonish. Yes.

We've gotten to the point where it's too far. We're past the event horizon. Yeah, into November is bad. It's a super hot day in June. Today it feels cartoonish. Yes. We are too far, we've gotten to the point where it's too far, we're past the event horizon. Yeah, into November is bad. It's a super hot day in June, and this episode's coming out in November. A great day to have an actual funny guest on our show. Yes.

I've been remaining silent, I don't even know the... Well, I'm just saying, you're normally... Now if they're just listening, now I'm here, I'm going too early. No, you're doing great. I'm holding back out of respect to wait till we brought out on stage. Normally our guests are, how do you put this?

Duds, not funny. Uh, the stinkers. What do you, how do you, what would you say, Wags? Yeah, I don't know, I would say some people might characterize them as the bottom of the barrel. Yeah. But we're very, very excited to have our guest here today. But before we do that, Mitch, you have a drop you have to play.

I do, Emma, will you hit us with a drop, please? You know who I like? And I always forget the character's names, because there's Jar Jar, and then there's Boss Nass, but then there's like that third Gungan. I just want to interject. OK. I willingly smoked crack one time, and I smoked it.

How long ago is this? This is before the Clone Wars. That's not the real... And then I was all fucked up. In my gate for a Gungan. I smoke crack. Give me that Gungan. I smoke crack.

Sun was up. I was all fucked up. In my gate for a Gungan. That was fun. That was fun. That was a wild ride. We didn't get closure on who— I don't pick them, by the way, but it was a good beat.

I like that drop. We didn't get closure on who the Gungan was. The man. The man. The man. That was a wild ride. We didn't get closure on- I don't pick them by the way, but it was a good beat. I like that drop. We didn't get closure on who the Gungan was, the mystery third Gungan. Captain Tarples is the character.

Oh. For anyone who's been wondering who that was. No. You just knew it. Yeah, I mean, I knew who it was. Yes. Alex, by the way, who wrote into you, I just wanted to say hello.

Speaking of crack, I feel like I feel cracked out. Oh boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel cracked out. I got back from Vegas last night. That's right. And my flight was delayed and I got home and my AC was not working. Oh boy.

So I went downstairs and I slept downstairs, it was cooler downstairs, and I slept downstairs. It was cooler downstairs. And I barely slept. And then I drank coffee and now I'm wired. Yeah. But I had a nice trip to Vegas. That's fun. Speaking of Trump, stayed at the Trump Tower in Vegas.

It was very nice. No, I stayed at the Wynn, a much nicer man. Yes. And yeah, I feel a the Wynn, a much nicer man. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I feel a little out of my, I don't drink coffee. So I'm not, yeah. You're not, no, you get very jittery from the caffeine. I'm very, I'm, yeah.

You're not on great sleep. You don't have AC at home. You didn't get good sleep. No, no. You know, yeah, so you're doing all right. I said, we have a second episode after today. I was like, we should push that episode. And you're like, we'll get through it.

And I'm just like. It's gonna be great. What do you mean it's gonna be great? We can do it. How about we just don't do it? We can, whatever. We're in November. We have to do it. We're in November.

You just talked about- We have to do it over the next 10 days. That's the window we have to get all the records done. It's gonna be fine. We can't do it tomorrow because there's a live stream. Shut up. Hello, Nick, Spoon Master Mitch, Emmer, Emilia, Casey, and Drop King.

First time submitting a drop, but I was overcome with inspiration after the many revelations in the Milk Bar episode with Lisa Gilroy. I hope this brings you as much joy as you've given me. Is that a threat? Love, little Danny. Am I gay for Gungan was the drop. Thank you.

Yeah, a lot of fun. Drops at birdfuck.com. Mitch just dropped his phone. You covered it well. You're all right. You're all right? Yeah, I just, yeah. You're all right. Yeah, I'm fine. I said it as a question, I should have said it as a statement. You're all right.

Yes, I'm all right. When I was like 20 years old, someone told me something was crack and I smoked it willingly, but it wasn't crack. It was just weed. They were fucking with me. But I willingly did it, and then I didn't even get to smoke crack. And I never have, to be clear. You don't need to take that one off. But you wouldn't if it was offered to you.

You don't need to take that one off your bucket list. I think you're good with a lifetime without crack. Are you sure you didn't smoke it this morning? I feel... Bitch. I feel crazy. Vegas was very hot. Yeah.

I saw Dead in Company at the Sphere. You know the company is. Well, who's that? John Mayer. It is true. Pretty cool, huh? They love him too. The Deadheads. The Deadheads love him. The Deadheads love him. They were like, yeah, Johnny Boy. They were cheering for John Mayer.

Yeah. He's been very accepted by the dead, I don't know what the fuck I'm saying. My understanding is the deadheads. And my understanding is that John Mayer fans have also come to enjoy the dead. So it's this nice bit of synergy. Nice little synergy.

I'm dealing with my own thing, Mitch, which is that I accidentally had almond milk before the record. And as you know, we have developed this late in life nut intolerance, rather. I wish it was a tolerance, so. Hey, can you tolerate me? I wish it was a tolerance, so. Hey, can you tolerate me?

I'm acting like a nut over here. I'm still remaining completely silent. I don't wanna lie. Because there's been a couple things I almost said and then I shut myself down. We should get you. A first time guest from her special Cinnamon in the Wind, which you can watch on Hulu,

Kate Berlant is here. Hi Kate. Hi, thanks for having me. Thanks so can watch on Hulu. Kate Berlant is here. Hi, Kate. Hi, thanks for having me. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you so much for being here. Like I said, what a great guest. What a great guest. What a great guest for us.

Thrilled to be here. My anxiety level very high. And I don't usually get anxious anymore, but the coffee. Coffee's part of it. That's all that will do that for me. But you don't abstain from caffeine. You're a caffeinated guy, but you just usually get it in lower doses.

You get it from a soda pop. I drink, I've been trying not to, but I drink a Diet Coke a day, so I've been doing more iced teas and stuff like that. Or these guys, Spindrifts. I do a lot of Spindrifts. But how much of the blue bottle did you have? I did like, well, I got two coffees and I drank.

And your hand is shaking. Your hand is shaking. Is it really? Yeah, it is shaking. Yeah, you were trembling. Yeah, yeah. Whoa, yeah, let's put you to water. I'm gonna drink the water.

You gotta get two off these tea. You gotta get two off these gummies if you need them. Is it, are they weak? It's not weed, it's not weed, it's like flowers. It's like lavender and stuff. Ooh, all right, maybe I'll have one of those. You have them here? Yeah, in my bag.

All right, yeah, I'll take one, please. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Emma actually gave him a crack. Oh, you know me with my bags full of crack. I will say this, there was someone who I told you who it was before and I won't say who it was,

but they were like, you want like a gummy? At the Dead Show I was like, oh, what is it? And they were like, it's mushroom. It's like mushrooms and Molly. I was like, mushroom and Molly gummies? That they're like, it's mushroom. It's like mushrooms. And Molly, I was like, mushroom and Molly gummies? Bad combo. Do you wanna take two of these? Yeah, you can.

They're not gummy, like you can't chew them easily. They're hard to chew through. Okay. That's nice. It's on purpose. It's gonna come in handy. It's gonna come in handy. You're gonna be fine.

Kate, you're from LA. Okay, so I'm also from Southern California. I've lived in LA County my entire life. Do you have any food favorites out here? Welcome to the county. Yeah, right? What a spot. Yeah.

Do you have any food favorites in LA? Oh my God, of course. I actually was going on a bit of a tangent, not a tangent, but I've, you know, I love to travel. Sure, I lived in New York for almost 10 years. LA has the best food in the world. Wow, I love this take. Actually in the world. And by the way, I know people travel, sure, I lived in New York for almost 10 years. LA has the best food in the world. Wow, I love this take.

Actually in the world. And by the way, I know people are hearing this, I don't like her, right? I can hear that, I can feel that. And it's a little bit, but everywhere else is unlivable. Like, I just, and I, again, there are other cities I love. Unlivable. I agree with there are other cities I love. Un-livable. I agree with that.

Yeah, I agree. Here and Quincy Mass, I think are kind of the two for me. Of the two livable cities. You just suddenly, yeah, so yeah. The one thing I think that LA has in its favor is the breadth of options. You can get like everything here. Yeah, you really can.

And like a lot of my, and of course my palette became accustomed to it because it's what's out here, but like, you know, I got, I love, you know, I love Mexican food. I love Salvadoran food. I love Japanese food, you know, like and all this stuff is in abundance. Oh yeah, Korean food.

Yeah, Korean food. Well, it is the most diverse city in America. Last I checked. Okay. Checked the census, but it was that recently. Yeah in America, last I checked. OK. Check the census, but it was that recently. I think you're right. I think it still is.

I think it is. Yeah. Look, people will get mad, but we have a lot of nerds listening. And listen, everyone going, this bitch, everywhere else is unlivable. Like, I do mean that. But I also don't.

And I reserve the right to abandon everything I say and also to believe it. What's number two for, what's after LA? New York. And they've always been, people they go, oh, you've seen New Yorker, you're a New Yorker, which I love, and I do identify, I mean, both. I mean, New York is, you know,

I always was kind of like, New York's better, and now I'm doubling down on LA. Right. You're with this guy. I'm A, I love it out here. Yeah, yeah. It's great. Okay, so like going back.

I haven't answered your question. Oh no, that's all right. Is it? Yeah. Okay, wait. So by the way, I'm seeing myself, I'm zooming out, here I am, LA has the best food, most diverse culinary scene in America.

Gun to my head, can't tell you five restaurants. All of a sudden, I'm completely blank. That's okay. You need to back it up. I'm like, I know, I know. I'm gonna speak for the people here. You need to back it up. So you're saying favorite restaurants? Well, yeah, but we could also,

I mean, I think a lot of people have, when they think of LA, they think of In-N-Out Burger, they think of Fat Burger, they think of some of these local chains. Any of those you have any affinity for? I do love In-N-Out, I have to say. I'm a huge, I'm a burger head. I had a great, just up the street at For the Win last night.

Oh yeah. I've been singing For the Win. Burger She Wrote. Oh, Burger She Wrote, yeah. I don't know if I love the name of it. I hate the name. Burgers Never Say Die, also a really hard name. I think they're falling off.

I don't even want to say it through, this is where I get hard, I don't want to disparage. No, of course, of course. And everyone, you know. The guy who made it is from my hometown. I love them. And cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts, cuts. No, no, no, no, no.

Scary, scary. No, we are, we are, we are, this is, we're honest on this show. Incredible sushi joint that's actually right across the street, no, no. No. Scary, scary. No, we are, we are, we are, this is, we're honest on this show. Yeah. Incredible sushi joint that's actually right across the street, Santo Sushi, have you been there? I have not been there, but it's always packed. So there's a location in Mexico City,

I'm here, open for lunch, I repeat, open for lunch. Wow. We have a huge lunch deficit post-COVID. Mm-hmm, I agree with that. Across, yeah, the lunch is gone. Lunch and late night options. Oh, it's devastating. You can only go to Horses late night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll serve till one. Do they really serve till one? One a.m., you get there options. Oh, it's devastating. You can only go to Horses late night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll serve till one. Do they really serve till one? One a.m. You get there 12.45, you can order a full steak. I haven't done it, but. Isn't Horses the place where the guy was like jacking off in there?

I know, but I think he's gone now and we just have to move on, yeah. Yeah, so you just put that out of the way. Don't punish the staff. Right. Sounds like there's room for someone to move in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm very in. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very pro. Look at that wine seat ejection thing. Oh, we didn't say that on the pod, did we? That was pre-pod? The callback to something you said before the show. The callback to pre-show. Look, I'm chilling out now.

You're Dexter Jemmy. Jemmy's all like the pet Jemmy. That'll calm you down. That'll anchor you in the moment. I'm a dead head now, man, and these gummies are calming me down. I was on the floor with the people, not like Seth Rogen up in the fucking box, all right, man?

I was fucking down on the floor with the people, the deadheads. That's cool. I was in it, man. That's cool you saw Seth Rogen there. I didn't see him, he was up in a box. Okay. I didn't even know he was there.

Are you just assuming? No, I knew he was there. How did you know? Yeah, because I got fucking inside shit. So now you're trying to be the man of the people, but you're saying you have an inside connection that told you that Seth Rogen was on the box. I'm the man of the people,

I'm the man of the people, and I got the inside connection. I'm like a day walker. I could tell the people, like I walk with the elite, but then I tell this news to the people. So you're a fraud. Yeah.

Okay, so burgers are like, are burgers a favorite food of yours? Yes, yeah. Where does that rank like, cause Maria's, it's like fried chicken, but I am like, that's my number one, but I am the burger boy. I think burgers are somewhere in like top five, you know?

Cheeseburger for me is like top three. Top three. Really like want that a lot. What do you really like love? Like foods you love love? Like what else is the top three? Just types of foods. I mean, I love, I'm very, you know,

it's start, okay, I know it's just shocking because it's technically November, but it's hot dog season where I'm sitting right now. I won't break the, I won't break the continuum. But it starts to heat up. I want a hot dog. I'm very like, I love, yeah, I love a cheeseburger pizza. I mean.

A cheeseburger pizza. Cheeseburger comma pizza. Yeah, sure. Comm love a cheeseburger pizza. I mean. A cheeseburger pizza. Cheeseburger comma pizza. Yeah, sure. Comma hot dog. Yeah. Just classics. I love all that hot fudge sundae. Hot fudge sundae is so fun.

Hot fudge sundae is great. Yeah, yeah. All right, nice steak dinner. Where'd you go? SW, the, at the win. Oh, got it, got it, got it. I had a nice, I got a massage. Fun.

Whoa. It was nice. Yeah. I was very nervous. I got it, got it. I got a massage, fun. Whoa. It was nice. Yeah. I was very nervous. I was like, I was- Getting a massage is hell on earth. I don't like that. It's really stressful.

I don't like being touched in general, and that's like a real, I've tried to do it because I have a really, I have like a really bad back, especially if I had an L5S one bulging wrist for a while. We talked to John early about this. I did, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But we, like, so like, just dealing with that, I was just making sure I had my back pad here

because it was, because I'm thinking back. The, like, so I went to massage for, you know, therapeutic reasons, and still it was just like, very tough for me. I get massages, but it's hell. I'm constantly monitoring their experience. I feel like, the hell do I think I am coming in here? My stomach started to rumble, or I didn't know if I was gassy. That's embarrassing to say.

But I was just like, I don't want her to... Terrifying. When she was touching my stomach, also I was nervous when I got in there. I was like, am I supposed to be nude or whatever? And then she was like, you can. And then I was like, am I supposed to be nude or whatever? And then she was like, you can. And then I was like, should I wear my underwear? And she was just like this fucking board. You're on your own, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, she was like, you can, and then just get on the cover. So I did, I went down nude, but it did. Wow, okay. I know, it caused me. I've never done that. I was so stressed out. Even I've never gone, I think maybe I've gone total nude, but even that for me feels something about it.

I've never done, the reason I did is cause you're under a blanket. Sure. And then, but there is a point where she lifts up the blanket. And they turn the head, a modesty turn. She's like, she lifts the blanket up and she's like turn over and I was so nervous to turn over. Like I was very, I was very nervous.

Were you engorged? No. Okay. I had it. In fact you engorged? No. Okay. I had it. In fact, the opposite. Got it. The table was heated and I was still, it was still.

Bill had an innie. It was an innie. Yeah. It was the Weinstein thing, basically, we were talking about. Yeah, yeah. I was like, the table was like hot. Let's just clarify, the Weinstein thing

we were talking about. Oh yes, sorry, sorry. Is that he has no dick, basically. Or to be fair, it's hamburger part. It's hamburger. Yeah, it looks like hamburger. Oh my god. They're described in some really disgusting ways.

I was, it was an innie, and I think she turned the table up the full, all the way up, basically, and I still, I don't know how craft that freak, I don't know how people are, like I don't know how people. Jacked off, right? Yeah, I don't know how people get into it in that't know how people are, like I don't know how people. Jacked off, right? Yeah, I don't know how people get into it in that way. It is crazy to me, but it was a very nice massage. It was very helpful.

My back had been hurting me and she did a great job. She was great. It was like a very, yeah. I met in the steam room, I met a guy from, who was doing AI up in San Francisco. Very cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, we're, I was like, I'm an actor.

I like did that sort of thing to him. But it was very relaxing. But I'm with you. I don't, I'm like a never nude in those sort of situations, basically. It's just, I have to say, there was a massage that I do love to get. And I did locate a specific masseuse.

I was like, this is the guy. And when I tell you twice, I'm convinced my hand grazed his flaccid penis and I didn't care because the massage was so good. And I wasn't violating it. It just was, think about it. The massage table's at waist and my hands are at my side. And I was like, and I could be wrong, right? It could have just been flesh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But something tells me it wasn't, but it's fine. That would be something I would be thinking about the whole rest of the massage. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that I didn't like them really too much until I was kind of in it, but it still felt very nice. I feel better afterwards.

The thing I've done is there's a place out here called Stretch Lab, which is like a small team, and they stretch you out. I feel better afterwards. The thing I've done is there's a place out here called Stretch Lab, which is like a small chain and they stretch you out. I've done that a few times. It's like, it feels less like touchy. It's like a fletid massage. Exactly, and it's more like,

I'm gonna hold your hamstring. I don't like when they stretch me. I don't like bendies. I tell them don't bend me. Because I don't like when they take the leg and they start bending you. Yeah, yeah. I feel like they're gonna overextend.

Yeah. I kind of love that. That I'm okay with. But I don't know, I mean, maybe just because it feels more therapeutic for me. But yeah, the other, there's like a intimacy, I feel like to someone like needing my flesh. I was like, I don't need this.

Yeah, of course. You're a very flexible man from stories we've heard on Paw. I'm a pretty flexible guy, yeah. I am pretty flexible. Okay, yeah. We don pretty flexible. Okay, yeah. We don't need to get into it. Let's talk about, I wanna talk about Coffee a little bit. Okay. Yeah.

Sucked his own dick once. All right. Oh my God. I wanna talk about Coffee a little bit. There was a kid I knew that did that, watching Swordfish. Really? Yeah. The Halle Berry movie. Yeah, I remember it was like,

we all, like, like this guy. Yeah. Were you watching Swordfish? They turned on Swordfish, and then he sucked his own dick to Swordfish in front of the kids. Wow. But he was a kid too, so.

Wait, did you see it? No, I just heard this story. You heard about it, you heard this story. Yeah. Yeah. And that guy was my first kiss. I'm, yeah. Oh my God.

Really? Self-suck guy was your first kiss? Yeah. Wow. Someone's saying that about you somewhere. Really? God! Self-suck guy was your first kiss? Yeah. Wow. Someone's saying that about you somewhere. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My first kiss was a girl who later went on to be a troubled teen on the Jenny Jones talk show. Wow, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was like my seventh grade girlfriend.

It all happened after she kissed you. I love your crazy girls. Yeah, and then later on she was on like Jenny Jones and she was on with her brother and they're both kids who did drugs and did crimes and she said the line, the thing they could say, I would die from using drugs it was meant to be. Wow.

Wow. That's intense. Yeah. Damn, I hope she's doing okay. I have no idea. Well, that solves that. I'll check up on these things. Laura Campbell, my first kiss, what's up Laura?

Hope you're doing well. It was spin the bottle on a trampoline. Wow. That's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt like when I spun it, it felt like the girls were like, uh-oh. Like it felt like one of those moments of like,

don't land on me sort of vibe. I went to a party kind of recently and they were playing spin the bottle. Really? I was like, this is kind of cool, don't land on me sort of vibe. I went to a party kind of recently and they were playing spin the bottle. Really? That's bad? I was like, this is kind of cool, but I left. Were they kissing? I left the area.

Also because there was a family friend there. This is sick Hollywood shit. But I was kind of like good for them, you know? I guess so. That feels swinger adjacent. That feels like people are like, that's like an end to the lifestyle, right? You're too old for it.

That's like, it is cute if you're like in fifth grade. I was happy for them, but I left. I would have, I definitely, I think I would have played. And I think it would have been the same vibe as when I was younger, of people not wanting the bottle to land on them. But, you know, you got to get it any way you can get it, you know, and it counted. So, and so that was my first kiss and then I met her brother at a Mighty Mighty Boss You gotta get it any way you can get it, you know? And it counted, so. And so that was my first kiss, and then I met her brother

at a Mighty Mighty Boss Stones concert. He was like, you kissed my sister. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all night. It was great. Oh, you got along. Yeah, we got along, yeah, yeah. Was this years later? Yeah, yeah, it was like a few years ago.

Hey, how about that? Yeah, yeah. Let's, and he said you kissed my sister? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was her first kiss too. Oh, okay, that's sweet, yeah. Let's, and he said you kissed my sister? That's a bit of those as in? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was her first kiss too. Oh, okay. That's me, that's me. That's wholesome.

That's what you want for your sister. Okay, so coffee, I'm curious. What is your typical coffee consumption? I am a Java dog. I love Java, I love to, by the way, my caffeine intake, so I'm obsessed with, my coffee, see, there's so much, okay, I'm gonna calm down. It's a lot to say.

My coffee culture has transformed because now I'm making it in the home to an overwhelming degree. Got it. The Breville Bambino has changed my life. Oh. I also have one of these and it's the best thing in the world.

Wait, tell me about the Breville Bambino. The Breville Bambino is an espresso, so listen to me. You, okay, listen. Shh, shh, shh. Listen, you know when you go to the coffee shop and you see them pulling shots of an espresso maker, and you go, one day I could, you know, they look sexy and cool, they're doing it.

You get to do that in your home, but listen to me. The Breville Bambino, we can look it up, I wanna say it's maximum $300. Okay. I have tried espresso machines that are your home, but listen to me. The Breville Bambino, we can look it up. I want to say it's maximum $300. Okay. I have tried espresso machines that are $1,000, $1,500, $2,000 in other people's homes, not doing what the Breville Bambino does. Wow.

It is more, and I, by the way, read the reviews. I was getting obsessed before I purchased it. People going, I, you know, bought a more expensive machine. I missed the Bambino, okay? It's your pulling shots in your home. And then it has a milk foamer nozzle and a little water shooter. So you're doing Americanos. You're doing espresso drinks, which I never did.

I did pour over. I was doing French, but I was doing that hot cup of Joe. Espresso has less caffeine than a cup of coffee. Which I, a lot of people don't know that. So my caffeine intake... They think that you go nutty. Espresso seems like, but it's a lot of people don't know that mm-hmm So my they think that they think that you go nutty. You're like, but it's The point is my I'm now having this coffee and I can already feel the strength because I had a shot I had a double shot this morning. Oh interesting

So now when I have like for example, I used to live right up the street from La Coloma, Telgencia Scroll down there get a cold brew. I could drink a cold brew, feel almost nothing. Now, when I drink like half at a cold brew, I'm sending the craziest emails you could ever imagine. But I completely, everything, I can hardly, this is like, I even am feeling this. I can't do cold brew anymore. It's interesting how like,

it makes me feel like I see through time. Yeah, yeah, it does. Do you, okay, wait, so- I detach from the body. Yeah. Because my question with an espresso maker, and Emma, you can weigh does. Do you, okay, wait, so- I detach from the body, yeah. Because my question with an espresso maker, and Emma, you can weigh in on this too, is I always feel like that's tough to maintain.

Is cleaning a pain in the ass or is it- Honey, it is so easy. It is. It is so easy. By the way, the amount, by the way, Breville, reach out. This is crazy. I've been talking about this thing, like, but I mean, I paid, I paid for it.

I never even, I've never even, I have never even heard of the Breville Bambino until- It's so small too, it doesn't take up a ton of counter space. It's so compact, it's so small on the counter folks. Clean up, I know all you have to do is take the coffee grounds out of the puck. Wow. Here, I'm composting it, I'm composting in my home.

Oh God, I gotta get into composting, it's so fun. I just started a couple weeks ago. Yeah. It gives you a feeling like nothing else. I gotta do it. I drive and I go, look at all these people on the street. They're not like, it's done something for my posture.

Sure. And just knowing. Yeah. That I compost. Yeah, yeah. And all these other pieces of shit. Yeah, yeah. Don't do it.

Just raping the earth, yeah. Can you out some of those fools that have these $2,000 espresso machines? It's more like my friend who was really remarking on the quality of the espresso that I made him, and he was like, my friend has a $2,000 espresso machine, and he was like, oh, making him coffee.

He goes, it wasn't as good. Wow. And of course, by the way, beans, beans matter. And you know what also matters? The grinder, as important as the machine, grinder as important as the machine, write that down as important. You gotta grind that sumbitch fresh.

Like that was the thing I learned. That's the thing that's been in the recent, the past 10 years of my home coffee journey. Cause I used to buy ground beans. I was like, what's the difference? Makes such a big difference to grind at home. And the quality of the grinder. So the, I mean, the grinder's gonna run you 150, okay?

What do you have? 195. I already forgot what it's called. I get the Baratza Encore. It's very nice. Yeah, that's what I have. Yeah, it's a good one. Parker bought me one of those as a housewarming present. Oh, that's right. It's gorgeous. Yeah. Really sexy and nice.

Every day. You wake up, you're in Cuba. You feel like, you just feel. I'm in there grinding beans, the window's open. It's unbelievable. I might have to get myself a Brevo Bambino if I have the... It's so good.

Get yourself some decaf beans. Yeah, I do, I drink decaf. It's less caffeine. Yeah, I do decaf a lot. Guess what I did? Love decaf. People came over for dinner, I made them decaf. Can you imagine that?

Decaf rice. Being able to offer that? Do you want decaf? They go, oh, sure. I'm grinding decaf beans. I'm making them espresso in the Bambino. That's fantastic. I'm Italian. You are, yeah.

I mean, it's- Are you Italian? No, I'm Spanish, but I could pass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna have Spanish after you. Yeah, but yeah. But it's so, so my coffee life has transformed. By the way, perfect segue,

guess who my favorite currently espresso beans are that I purchase? Ooh, what? Blue Bottle. Blue Bottle was your favorite. Wow, wow. By the way, I'm loving Joshua Tree. I love Joshua Tree espresso, but I gotta say again and again,

the Blue Bottle, fuck, espresso beans are really good. Blue Bottle espresso. Grinding them in the home. My intro to this, to like the fancy coffee world was intelligentsia, you brought it up earlier. Intelligentsia was the- I've got a bag of intelligentsia beans at the house right now.

So I'm trying different beans and I wanna be clear, I don't consider myself like a expert in coffee. Like I don't, you know, and I would, maybe I'll go down that road. You know, I could see myself getting into tea lately, I've been considering. I'm a tea guy. This is a devastating time in my life, yeah.

I'm tea over coffee. Oh wow. Oh, like what's that? Low tea. Like herbal tea? I'll do herbal tea, I do a liver detox tea. You gotta be careful with tea. Why's that?

Because of the pesticides. You can't be doing bags, you cannot be doing bags. Bags are bad? Bags are bad, W You cannot be doing bags. Bags are bad? Bags are bad, Wags. What the fuck? Bags are bad. And also, they're leaching. It's mold and dust.

Yeah. When you go to a, I go to the grocery store, I laugh. You go in there, I double over. Because these are boxes of mold and dust. People are going, here's my, paying for that. Wow. You cannot do it and don't even get me started on the plastic, the sexy net teas

that are like the little nets. Right. You're just drinking a credit card. It's just pure plastic. I have tea bags all the time. Get them out of your life. You fucked up so bad. How do you have your tea?

I have a little tea thing that I put it in. Oh, you got one of those things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The little metal. The little metal thing. That's good. You gotta get off bags. I only do bags in an emergency.

I guess loose leaf is the other way to go. That seems stressful. But even that, you gotta get off bags. I only do bags in an emergency. Or I guess loose leaf is the other way to go. That seems stressful. But even that, you gotta make sure that this stuff is treated with pesticides you wouldn't believe. I'm sticking with the bags. Okay. You can blow this real easy, I'm doing the bags.

No, she just told me the bags are bad. I believe you, I just like, it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing is your answer? Look, here's the thing, I'll probably adopt a different tea method at a certain point, but like, I just, I- Hey, right now, if you need bags, that's fine. That's what I'm thinking.

That's the thing. It's like, you know what? I'm drinking tea instead of alcohol. So like if I have a little- Well, of course, if it's bag or a bottle of tea and go for the bag. Right. But in time, if you want to evolve

into a more holistic tea back. Right. But in time, if you want to evolve into a more holistic, he-regimen. Yeah. Why are you getting all high and mighty about tea? I didn't know you were like this. Because you're filled with pesticides. You've never done this before. I'm gonna stand next to you at the next cookout. Bugs will be dying all around you

because you're filled with fucking pesticides. Well, you know what? People would love that if I was like a human bug light. Because the other bugs would be not swarming the grill. All right, yeah. Stay away from the potato salad. you make a good fucking point. I'd be a useful asset at a cookout. I know.

Wow, you guys get heated on this. We do. He's right. I want to talk about sugar fish before we get into Blue Bottle because this was another chain you talked about maybe discussing here. There are a few chains,

because I know you guys have covered so many. We've reviewed sugar fish. We've reviewed it, but still, I would be so happy. There are so many, I mean, I could do, I mean, this is my dream to review food. I, it is a curse, we will say. Yeah, that dream can be something of a nightmare.

Yeah. I get it. We did vegetable month just because we were hurting, so we've reviewed carrots. What kind of, my favorite carrots. We did white carrots, orange carrots, red carrots. We covered reviewed carrots. What kind of? My favorite carrots. We did, we did white carrots, orange carrots, red carrots. We covered all carrots.

I actually had transformative carrots. Fuck, I forgot the name of the farm. Transformative carrots. I was moaning. I was, McCall's, McCall's has a little produce. Oh, McCall's. They had a carrot that I went, are you kidding me? This is candy. The sweetness, the crispness, I couldn't believe it.

And I would go, what farm is this? Again, I'm so sorry to not shout out the farm. I can't remember. I can't touch another carrot. How did you eat it? Wow. Like, was it raw? They're short.

They're like perfectly like bite-sized. But they're wild, like different. Like they're growing, you know, organic. It's like knobs of wood and like they're freaky. Well, you didn't roast it or anything. You just had it raw. Raw. Did you dip it in anything?

No. Wow. Was that good? That's wild. Candy. Yeah. I go, these aren't carrots, just candy. Yeah.

Remark it. You said this to the McCalls person? Yeah. McCalls. He got so excited because I got so excited, he could tell it was true in my heart that I love the carrots so much. He pulled out another carrot and goes, try this carrot.

And I go, oh my God. That's crazy, I know. Connecting with grocers is huge. Yeah, I love that. Well, what we learned about carrots is that they usually are monstrous, is that they're not like the normal, beautiful carrots that you see there.

They are supposed to be. If you're over the age of 15, and you're purchasing baby carrots, I mean, it's insane. Yeah, right. Kids, yeah. I mean, I- That actually broke my heart. You were so, that was such a sweet, like, you.

I knew, I know. I do, I get them sometimes. Go to McCall's. Yeah, yeah. I love, I love, when my mom comes out here, we'll get a big, we'll get a cut of meat and we'll bring it back and it's a great spot. Oh, heaven on earth.

Go there and get the carrots. They're gonna know. Although I guess we're moving out of carrot season now. And they're moving out of that store because it's on, it's on. I know. And for a segue. Atwater? they're moving out of that store because it's on, it's on. I know. And for a segue. Atwater?

It's moving to Atwater, but it's right near where I went to get Blue Bottle. Blue Bottle Coffee, which I do wanna talk about. That's where I went. I am curious about Sugarfish. Okay, yeah. You are a fan. All right, Sugarfish.

No, no, so I guess, what, I said something about Sugarfish. Yeah. Because I've been, I wouldn't say I frequent Sugarfish, I probably haven't been in years actually got it So move on next question all right no no I think um No, I did cuz I was like oh sugarfish

Yeah, I mean there are a lot of chains that I would respond to in a huge way got it throw me some chains Yeah, uh, I didn't help burger huge Fat burger we met mention both really haven't had many much Huge. Fat burger. We mentioned both those earlier. We really haven't had many, much experience with fat burger or Five Guys. Ooh, all right. Interesting. Fat burger's more of an LA thing,

Five Guys is from DC. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I like all of them. Yeah, sugar fish is, it's like I actually haven't been in a while myself. I've been getting scared a little, like sushi, like I've been getting a little sushi scared lately. Really, why is that?

Because of the parasites and their worms in your brain and stuff. A lot of them are frozen. Like it's like- The parasites are? No, the sushi is frozen. And that's what you want. Yeah, because then it kills the parasites. It's like the same as cooking.

I really hope that's okay. Yeah, but I don't know. I like sushi a lot. My thing with sugarfish is it's great in terms of, it's kind of blue bottle adjacent and it's packaged in a very presentable way. It's very easy to grasp. But I also feel like living in LA,

there's so many great sushi spots that I'll just go somewhere. Plus, your ass is filled with all that pesticides. So go. The wormies are gonna die. So go roll. Yeah. Love. Yeah. Chankton, my friend Chankton in Wu Tang

texted me at 427, a fat burger, they got fat burger last night, 427 in Vegas. They're still there. Oh my God. Yeah, they're leaving, Wu left a few hours after that. Sugarfish, to me it's like, oh, high school, like trust me or whatever, trust me light. Yeah, trust me, I love the trust me.

I mean, to me it was also, that's what Intelligentsia was my introduction to fancy coffee. And then, and my introduction to like sushi that I liked was sugar fish. It's designed to be, it is designed that way. It's like starter sushi. Everything that's called trust me is like, I don't know what this is.

I don't have to make any of these decisions. You're gonna tell me what everything is, what sauce it goes with. It's a very curated experience and very well packaged to go. And the Togo me what everything is, what sauce it goes with. It's a very curated experience and very well packaged to go. And the Togo Box is genius marketing. It's great, yeah. It's great.

It's well done. You gotta go to Santo across the street though. I gotta hit up Santo, it's right there. Also the most exquisitely well dressed men. It's like all these gorgeous straight guys who are dressed perfectly, it's shocking. Oh man, I gotta change. And they're like, yeah, it's insane.

Man, yeah, I'm gonna look like shit in there. I felt like I looked like shit in blue bottle today. Like, I'm gonna say that. Us going to that sushi place and being like the two slobbiest guys in there, just going like complete shit. The bar is high, it's like shocking. Oh man.

Yeah, we'd look like shit. Casey can go, Casey'd be fine. Yeah, Casey, you can go, report back to us. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Hey, buddies, let you can go report back to us Hey buddies, let's talk chubbies

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to get 10% off your first month. I'm blue bottle today. I gotta say this, first of all. Yes. It looks like an apple. The logo? That ain't an accident Yes. It looks like an apple. The logo? That ain't an accident. You mean the store?

The store looks like an apple. Like an apple store. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Like an apple store. Store. Yeah. I ain't talking Gwyneth's daughter, my man.

Apple store. Yeah. Fucking apple store. Does it not look like an Apple Store? No, it does. It looks so much like an Apple Store. And that's intentional. Right.

And I don't know if I like that. Clean lines. It's sterilized beyond. It's very sterilized. When did, are these facts easy to pull up? Okay, because by the way, the blue bottle propaganda is working on me because I started going, this started in Japan.

No, it didn't. No. Started in what, San Francisco? They kind of act like it is. And then they went to Japan. Because they make a point of like, this is manufactured in Japan or this is imported in Japan. No, it didn't. No. It started in what, San Francisco? They kind of act like it is a little bit. And then they went to Japan? Because they make a point of like, this is manufactured in Japan or this is imported from Japan.

It worked on me, but where did it start? No, it started in Oakland, California. It was found in 2002 by W. Jog-dogging, I don't know why. By W. James Freeman. 2002, sorry. 2002 by W. James Freeman, who was- Hey, right across the pond from Japan. Yeah, yeah.

It is right across the pond. Thank you. You're right, you're absolutely right. It is right across the pond. Thank you. You're right, you're absolutely right. Imagine getting some stocks in that. Imagine getting some of those points in that. The new bottle stocks? Imagine that, hey, my cousin's friend is starting a coffee thing.

Imagine that. Get it on the ground floor, how about that? Mitch, this is the founder. Like me, someone who plays woodwinds, a former professional clarinetist. Wow. And you know, was pretty tenuous trying to play in orchestras as a clarinetist.

So he's like, I'm gonna roast coffee beans on the side. And founded Blue Bottle. Is he single? I don't have that intel here. Let's pull up a picture. He is a, I'll get a picture in a second. Why is that? I had no idea you had such a personal connection

to Blue Bottle, I apologize. Oh no, it's fine. No, it's all right. Freeman roasted his own coffee beans in a shed at his home in Oakland. He launched a coffee cart, it became a hit in 2004. In 2005, he opened a brick and mortar in San Francisco. 2010, it goes to Williamsburg.

And in 2017, Nestle, one of the most villainous companies on earth, acquired a majority share of the company. So they are the owner of this brand now. All right, Nestle, one of the most villainous companies on earth, acquired a majority share of the company. So they are the owner of this brand now. All right, Nestle. Today with over a hundred locations in North America and Asia, and they do play up the Asian locations for sure. Net worth go.

How much is the company valued at now? Wags, let's hear it. I'll have to look it up. I'll find a picture of the guy and I'll look up its company's value. Okay, yeah. Oh yeah, I wanna see the picture of the guy. Cause the Williamsburg location,

cause I used to live over there. Very sexy location. Sorry, I just- Is it also similarly Apple's story or no? Yeah, I think that's just uniform. Okay. Like it's just that, and I have to say, there is something-

I opened my browser and you know, it's like the last thing that we're looking at. I'm looking at the Poké Pokedex this Entei from Pokemon Entei embodies the passion of magma this Pokemon is thought to have been born in the eruption of a volcano It sends up massive bursts of fire that utterly consume all that they touch. It is a fire type Are you fire type grass grass type, water type? Water. Okay, cool.

Kind of a water type too, I think. Blastoise, those in the squirtle. Squirtle, of course. Okay, let me look up what blue bottle market cap. Hold on one second. Thank you. And we want a picture of the guy. I'll look up a picture of the guy too. What's his name?

There are two steps. I'll look up the picture of the guy. Okay, the guy is named W. James Freeman. So kind of a generic name. So maybe include a W. James Freeman. W. James, what's he protecting? W. James Freeman. I bet it's just William.

I bet it's nothing exciting. And then like maybe add blue bottle onto that. So that'll- Google W. James Freeman wife. That's a good one too. I'm gonna find that. I'll do that as well. I love how so many, that's just like every celebrity

just auto completes to wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I think I got him. I think I found him here. Are you ready, Wags? Yeah. Here we go. One, two, three. Here's a picture of him here.

Wags? You're good, you're good. Okay, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, he looks good. He looks pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a picture of Blastoise for the audio listeners. Ha, ha, ha, ha audio listeners. W. James Freeman. Pitch book, I don't know how, how.

Wait, Hindman? W. James Freeman. W. J. Hindman. W. James Freeman. That sounds like a serial killer. I'll look up who he is afterwards. Imagine him coming home for Christmas, his parents so proud he sold the company. Yes. You took a coffee cart and you, man, can you imagine?

But then he, I bet he also has to get like, he does stop doodling around that little clarinet of yours, like they kind of like dismiss that artistic passion he was pursuing, you know? He probably gave it up for life. He probably did, and that's kind of like, I would not like that for someone to dismiss that. Like you got a real job.

It was like, okay, well, I wanted to play the clarinet. Like get off my back. It's amazing what people will do when their passions are squandered. Yeah. Mark it, Kat, for- I found him. I found W. James.

Okay, great. James Freeman. Your reaction is interesting. Something's going on. You got a freaking nerd on your hands? Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, Turing? Yeah. He's cute. Yeah, whoa, whoa, wait, Taron? He's cute.

Yeah, I mean, he's an attractive nerd. Yes. He's nerd nonetheless. Japanophile, for sure. Yeah, he plays in the Oakland Symphony, it looks like still. Oh, he does, he maintains his clarinet skills. How about that? That's actually really sweet.

I like that, I like that button. Him doing a solo? Yeah, that's a lot of fun. $700 million the market cap for Blue Bottle that. Him doing a solo? Yeah, that's a lot of fun. $700 million, the market cap for blue bottle coffee. Where does he live? I assume he lives in San Francisco. Imagine his home. I could tell, I'm gonna read you his profile

from the Oakland Symphony. James Freeman's first memory of coffee comes from when he was four or five, growing up in rural Humboldt County, California. His parents let him open a container of MJB coffee. He remembers the whoosh as the air rushed from the vacuum sealed can. I love this.

And the rich fragrance of the pre-ground beans. Wow. This is his Oakland Symphony profile. I don't know why it's talking about coffee so much. Do you think this is now a thing I'm, I don't know if this is true. This could be completely invalid. Do you think this is now a thing I'm, I don't know if this is true. This could be completely invalid. Do you think he's like a booster of the symphony?

And so they put him in the orchestra? No. Cause that would be a bummer. Couldn't you believe I didn't even consider that? Like he's like a huge donor and they're just like, well, all right, let him be like third chair clarinet. It's fine. When it comes to Pokemon, he performs the grass type.

It's that type. Wow. Very interesting. Okay. Yeah. I can't tell if he is single. When it comes to Pokemon, he performs the grass type. It's actually very interesting. Wow, okay. Yeah, I can't tell if he is single. He makes pilgrimages to a cafe near Shibuya station in Tokyo. Ooh, I'd like to know what that one's called. Called Shatai Hato, which I definitely butcher that,

which brews individual cups of coffee for $15 apiece. Mr. Freeman, if you want to make the trip, Mr. Freeman describes them as life-changing perfection. I might be in Shibuya in fall. Really? Really? Yeah. Wow. Where you gonna Shibuya?

Considering a fun trip. Oh, just for funsies. Have you ever been there? Yeah, I went to Japan once, like 2019. Wow. I wanna go back. That's cool. I've never crossed an ocean.

You gotta cross it quick. Where's your favorite's your favorite like? Where's your favorite like Blake Blake place you visited mmm, I mean I love I Was in Italy last summer actually John early and Claudia Doherty We love him had an amazing time I Really do love Tokyo. I really love Mexico City. I've been there several times. Mitch loves Mexico City, yeah. Yeah. Did you go to Pujol?

Yeah. Fantastic. Beautiful. See, here's the thing. I don't love. I like love it for the theater, but that's not like my favorite way to eat, really. Sure, yeah.

A bunch of mini plates or? Or just like the, like it's just, it's fun, but it's not something that I like, it doesn't, I don't know, it doesn't really get me off the way I think I wish it did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get what you're saying, yeah. I'm more of a Bourdain on the corner with the. Yeah, yeah, sure.

Yeah, no, no, no, but I, but no, but it was exquisite and beautiful. Yeah, no, I think we're, I'm more, I'm more. Reh, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, sugar fish, but yeah, exquisite and beautiful. Yeah, no, I think we're... I'm more... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sugar fish. But yeah, maybe I am a traveler. What? Okay, do you have any favorite food memories from Italy?

From Italy, actually, well, the big food thing that happened in Italy was John and I went, the two of us, to Rome and we had... People talk shit on Rome. They do? Get a life. Yeah, I agree. People are like, the crowds, I'm like, it's Rome. Like, yeah, people are there.

I dislike Italian cultures, Italian people, but I liked Rome quite a bit. I love Rome, I love Italy, and by the way, I was like, I'm coming to Italy every year for the rest of my life. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like going on the coast. Have you actually stuck to that though?

No, here it is a year later, I didn't fucking go. Well, you are a liar. Well, it's expensive, I'm a bit trafficant, you know? I wanna spend time in Naples, we were on the coast. Okay. You know, we were cooking, honestly, one of the best things I ate in all of Italy was Claudia Adorti's fucking pasta.

She's a fantastic cook. The carbonara that she made. She's a fantastic cook. She really is good, She really is good. But John and I went, all these restaurants, people say, you know, go here, go here, but good luck, because you need to make a reservation three months in advance.

We went to all those places. We got lucky walking up waiting, got into every spot, had some beautiful meals, but I have to tell you, finally, like three weeks after the trip, John and I were able to admit to each other that the meals kind of didn't live up. Wow. Still had a wonderful time.

Wow. It didn't matter, because the only thing more important than food is ambiance and company. So it was like, we had this great time. But something didn't feel, a couple of the pastas, I went, oh, shit. Yeah, that sucks. Because we've got mozza down the street here in LA.

There's a lot of good pastas. Lots of great Italian food you can find in LA, for sure. Also, by the way, three funny, glamorous people, like the three, what restaurant's gonna fucking turn you down? What a crew. Oh my God, yeah. It was a beautiful experience. We would not have gotten the same experience, you and I.

Okay, so let's talk about Blue Bottle. Okay, okay. So I've been to Blue Bottle a number of times. I don't say I'm a Blue Bottle fan, but they're just around and I just go there. What I've had with Blue Bottle is that feeling of deep relief when you're traveling in a city that you don't live in.

I was doing this little job in San Francisco several months ago. And I was like, fuck, like leaving like my hotel where I was staying, I was like, there's this desk, like where am I gonna, I see in the distance a blue bottle. And when I tell you the comfort that washed over me, I was like, I'm safe. Like I'm gonna have coffee, a good coffee

I can get every day. They have avocado toast, they have water. You know, I was like, I, it was a huge relief to me. Do I seek out Blue Bottle? Am I getting my cart? Well, now that I'm a Brevo Bambino girl, I have everything I need at home. But I still love to go out for a coffee,

but I don't find myself driving to Blue Bottle necessarily, although it is very good. And if a Blue Bottle is standing next to a groundwork, I'm not stupid, I'm gonna driving to Blue Bottle necessarily, although it is very good. And if a Blue Bottle is standing next to a ground work, I'm not stupid, I'm gonna go to Blue Bottle. Right. Well, you could just brew up- The anger at ground works, what's that? I don't know, it came up for me.

Yeah. You could brew up something with a Breville Bambino and then you could go to like an Apple store instead if you wanted to get the same experience. You don't have to go to a Blue Bottle. Right, because the architecture is so similar. So similar. Yeah, you get same experience. You don't have to go to a blue bottle. Right, because the architecture is so similar. So similar for example, as an Apple store.

Yeah. Got it, yes. So I will say, not like a blue bottle fan, I'm saying the same as you. Did it used to come in a glass bottle? Didn't blue bottle come in a bottle or am I making that up? Had to have.

I thought that was the origin of it. By the way, this you have to say- You also can get the like pre the like, pre-made coffees like at the store that are in little bottles. When I was in the store, weird crowd, something was going on, but this woman came in. I thought you were gonna say weird Al, and I thought that was very exciting.

There was a crowd in there. New coffee song, just trying out. This woman came in with a big canvas bag, she had a really cute baby, the baby was, everyone was going, oh my God, she, really intrigued by her order, she ordered a coffee, I'm gonna find out. This woman came in with a big canvas bag. She had a really cute baby. The baby was, everyone was going, oh my God. She, really intrigued by her order, she ordered just a giant bottle.

Like it was almost like cold, but it was like in the back. They like pulled it out for her. Big, and she puts it in her canvas, toe, and leaves. And I went, that's a mother. Yeah. Yeah, it was unbelievable. That is awesome.

But, but, but the marketing really is brilliant. And I have to say the fact that they put the cold, this is awesome. But the marketing really is brilliant. And I have to say the fact that they put the cold, this is cool. They put the cold coffees in a paper cup. Yeah, yeah. Something about that. I was confused at first. I like it, look.

It's very confusing. You go, oh, I ordered a cold. They go, hey, it's cold. It is cold, yeah. I like to talk to someone that works there. How many times a day they have to tell people, don't worry, there's ice in there because it's really confusing.

It looks like a hot drink. And it's the same, like I've got a cold drink here. This is what I'm holding up to camera. This is an iced matcha, iced matcha latte. And this one, yeah, it has, it looks like a hot drink. Again, if you didn't see the condensation on the outside. What kind of milk? Oat milk.

Oat milk is their default milk, which is interesting. Wait, you're joking. No, if like, if you look at the app, it says oat milk is their standard milk. I assume this is an environmental move in there. I guess it's probably also so many people order, especially in the cities where they have locations, probably so many people order an alternative

to dairy milk. Of nation, yeah. And almond milk, which I accidentally consumed earlier, is so, like it's an upcharge there. Oat milk is the same price, I think, but almond milk is like an extra $2, Oat milk is the same price, I think, but almond milk is an extra two dollars, but almond milk is so horrible for the environment. I just avoid that.

You reminded me, there was a baby at the Dead and Company show. Was there really? With the headphones on. With the headphones on. By itself. Yeah, yeah. Just there.

Yeah, totally, yeah. And also there was a lady with a support dog, and I was just like, don't bring the dog to the sphere. Dogs and babies, not at the concerts. Don't bring it to the concerts. Don't bring it to the sphere. Don't bring it to the, I mean, it's nice that they're allowed.

It was an emotional support dog, but I just felt bad for the damn dog. Yeah, that's a rumor for the dog. It's gonna be so loud. And the baby's not having fun, no way. Baby's not having fun. And by the way, you're having fun with your baby? Doubt dog. It's gonna be so loud. And the baby's not having fun, no way. Baby's not having fun. And by the way, you're having fun with your baby? Doubtful.

Yeah. Yes, I agree. Why bring the baby? Ever, if you ask me. I guess childcare fell through. I guess so. Also, someone handed me a joke. A joke.

Someone handed you a joke? Someone handed me a joint. And I was gonna say it was like a dog paw, or it was the dog, or it was the baby. That the baby. It could have been any one of those things. It would have been so much fun, but I said joke, because that's what it was, was I was thinking of a joke. It's all right.

Yeah, yeah. We still liked it. Yeah. If I hadn't been caffeinated like this, I would have knocked down the park, you would have been like, I'm happy that I came on the show. It would have been great.

I'm having a blast, and by the way, high as hell on the coffee. It would have been great. I'm having a blast, and by the way, high as hell on the coffee. Yes, it is. Ask me anything. Anything, go off script. Okay.

Worst person in Hollywood. Yeah. Ugh. You're gonna have, you're having a, yeah. You got a big show you're doing, you're taping your special. I like this. Are you gonna eat beforehand,

or you save to have a meal afterwards? I can't get on stage unless I'm fully digested. Really? Three hours. Three hours is my ideal. Three hours. What do you eat? Last bite, three hours.

What's your pre-show meal? Depends on the show. I mean, when I was doing my show- Kate. Yeah, yeah, very regularly, I do get a little bit monkish around that because I'm so scared of getting sick. And I don't have any dietary restrictions, like I'll eat everything, but I get a little bit monkish around that because I'm so scared of getting sick. And I don't have any dietary restrictions, I'll eat everything, but I am a little bit around that.

I'm kind of sticking to just protein and vegetables. Okay. Of all things refined sugar, grains, things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is funny when, whatever, you're watching a TV show and you're like, oh, that was after lunch, I just had a chicken club sandwich or some shit. Yeah, it's a nightmare to be full and performing.

And I've had it happen, like I was doing my show in New York, like Christmas Eve, you know, and I was like, I'm getting, got Shake Shack for everyone, ate it, affected the show. I mean, not really, not really, but like, I just was like, you know, you don't wanna eat a cheeseburger and then walk out on stage. I did, I made that connection in eighth grade orchestra.

We, I was playing the clarinet. Wow! For sure. And I went and I got a, we went and I got a chili cheese fries pre-show. Like a fucking huge plate of chili cheese fries. And my parents were like, you sure you don't need that? I was like, I'm fine. And then I'm up there playing my clarinet solo or whatever,

my stomach's just grumbling so loud. It's so embarrassing. But I like, it took me so long in life to realize that what I put in my body affects, like that wasn't even lesson learned. I was just like, it was years after where I was like, what I put in my body affects how I feel later. Yeah.

W. James Hindman founded Jiffy Lube. Oh, wow. Another captain of industry.ube. Oh, wow. Another captain of industry. That's, yeah. Yep. Did he play a woodwind? Hindman made his first million in the early 1970s

buying and selling nursing homes. That sounds like a good guy. Sure, yeah. Yeah, oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is a nightmare.

That's, yeah, that's, here he is. I don't know what instrument he plays. Whoa. I'm guessing oboe in the Cleveland Symphony. Yeah, that's, here he is. I don't know what instrument he plays. I'm guessing oboe in the Cleveland Symphony. Yeah, probably. All right, you're gonna be honest with us, Wags and I, I've known you longer than Wags. Your hair, your hat is skewed, it's making you look more unhinged.

Just straighten it out. Oh, okay, sorry. You're worried about us getting into, what's the place called again? What's the fancy place where everyone dresses nice called again? Oh, Santo. You're worried about us getting into, what's the place called again? Huh? What's the fancy place where everyone dresses nice called again? Oh, Santo. You're afraid of us getting into Santo?

Yeah. We're not gonna get into Santo if your hat's not straight. Why are you gonna treat me like it's the Yankees? I am fucking, I look fine, okay? You look great. I'm just like, you seem more unhinged when you're- I am unhinged today.

Wags and I, I've known you longer than Wags. But from your experience today, would you comp us to one of your shows? Are you kidding me? Each with a plus one. Wow. Wow, okay. He's definitely not coming, by the way.

He's not gonna come out. Hey Casey. Oh yeah, yeah. And then what level for you would it be of like, Nick and Mitch wanna say hi, so would it be pre-show, post-show, or like just get rid of them? We're always post.

Okay. Yeah, come back. Yeah. Grab a seltzer. I would love that. I'd love to do that. You got a liquid death back there? Yeah, oh my God, yeah. Okay, so I went to the Hayden Track location, which is in, it's near the Culver City train stop. I was gonna say, oh, okay, true.

You're literal with the track. It's true, it's right off the train stop. It's one of those ones where that train stop. I was gonna say, oh, okay, you're literal with the track. It's true, it's right off the train stop. It's one of those ones where that's part of its convenience. But the other thing is there's another fancy, I forget the fuck it's called, it's called equator coffee or something like that. There's another fancy coffee place just steps away. So there's options there.

The service, I will say, was fantastic. They were super friendly. Great service for me as well. Super duper nice there. And it was kind of like late afternoon, later than I'd normally get coffee. So it was kind of a sleepier crap. I mean, sleepier in terms of there wasn't a big line

or anything. I was the only person waiting. I got the somra latte. Now here's the thing. Oh, I saw that. This costs $7.75. That's a lot for 12 ounces of wine. Achi machi.

That's pretty pricey. And we're talking about just drip? The summer latte, the weekend's favorite drink, now available in cafes. Okay. This latte combines honey, vanilla, and a dusting of Ethiopian cinnamon. So it's honey, vanilla, and cinnamon.

I got oat, which was their default milk for this one. I got it with their nightlight decaf. And it's getting late in the day for caffeine for me. And then I got it with no added sugar. Served hot? Served hot, yeah. This was delicious. It was delightful.

Oh my God. It was really, really good. How sweet, talk to me about sweetness. Not really sweet at all. Like just like you kind of got that sort of essence of vanilla. Because I don't like sugar in my coffee. Yeah, I don't want it too sweet. And the cinnamon was really nice.

And I- The weekend, you son of a bitch. This is the thing. He lost us with the idol. He got us back with a Samara latte. Yeah. I was talking to- Wait, what did he do with the idol?

Wasn't that his show? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, what? Oh! Yeah. Was that like a horny show or something? It was like a horny show that no one liked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, sorry if you were in it, I don't know. I was never offered a role. Wow. Though they did do an avail check. Wow, okay. Okay. Even it hurts even harder, what? Yeah, I know, it's a bummer.

Because then you think of like, what the show would have been if you had been a part of it. The avail check comes, I go, I fucking were in. I'm in, baby. I got two avail checks recently. What the show would have been if you had been part of it. The avail check comes, I go, I fucking were in. We're in, baby. I got two avail checks recently. Nada. Nothing came.

It's tough right now. Now here's the thing. For our listeners. We're talking. You'll bleep that. Nothing. For our listeners who aren't in the industry. Maybe they're just fucking with me.

I don't know what the deal was. Why do that? Well, I go, don't tell me about the check. Call me when't in the industry. Maybe they're just fucking with me. I don't know what the deal was. Why do that? Well, I go, don't tell me about the check. Call me when it's the offer. That's the way to do it. For our listeners who aren't in the industry, what is an avail check? How would you explain it to someone?

For the people who aren't in the industry, we don't really care about you. We're talking to industry folks. Here's an industry episode. Your agent will call you and they say, they're checking dates. They're checking your availability. We possibly want to hire you for something,

so we need to first make sure that you're available for the time when we will be shooting it. Yeah. And then, and so sometimes like, oh, OK, something's going to be coming. They're really looking at me for something. And then sometimes it was just a chat. More often than not, yes, no, then it doesn't happen.

Because they actually went after 12 different people, and then like, you know, no, then it doesn't happen. Because they actually went out to 12 different people and then like, you know, whatever, they went to someone else. I just recently, the other one I got just recently, also not a man who works regularly, I work okay. You do great. Thank you, Nick. You're gonna hit Peter.

That's kind of you. But they were like, they did an availability check and they're like, it shoots for a few days in Europe and then like it shoots in New York. I was like, oh my God. Hello. This is the best thing in the world. Summer dreams.

Yeah. Nothing. I don't even know. They play with your heart in this town. The bummer. Yeah. But you gotta take, you know, you gotta be happy when you get one of those, I guess.

And an avail check is a huge win. It's a huge win. Yeah. It is a huge win. Someone possibly wants you, which is nice. Nice to think about. By the way. The summer latte was delicious. You nice. Nice to think about. By the way. The summer latte was delicious.

You might get an avail check soon, by the way. Really? I have some inside news, I swear to God. An avail check for the Dough Boys podcast? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I also got the lemon yuzu fizz. I almost got this. Oh my God. This was great.

It was also great. It was really good. I really love that. And it was not too sweet. I almost got this. Oh my God. It was great. It was also great. It was really good. It was not too sweet. I liked both the drinks so much. I came so, because I love Yuzu. Yeah. And I saw it and I go, get the Fizz.

And I got a little shy. I go, I'm going a little crazy with the order. Let's relax. Yeah. No, I would not normally get two drinks. I got one hot drink, one cold drink. It was a warm day as it's been lately. And the food?

Loved them both. So here's the food I got. I got the sun dried tomato, bakers needed scone. The brand is Bakers Needed. I kind of hated that. Sucked. This was awful. Did you have this?

No, no, I just hated the sound of it. Wow, that bad. I thought it was really bad. I thought it was really dry. Like a lot of scones get dry, but then I was just like the flavor of the sun dried tomato wasn't offering anything. It was just kind of inert and it kind of,

you know what it tasted? It tasted fabulous. It tasted like a stale focaccia. You know what I mean? Like it was just like, I did not like it. If you're gonna go with the scone route, you have to perfect that. Cause a great scone, I mean, it's an undertaking a scone.

Yeah. The other thing I got was a browned butter blondie, which was delicious. Ears have perked up. I loved that. It was great. Here's the issue. It was basically the Ears have perked up. I loved that. It was great. Here's the issue. It was basically the size of like two croutons

grafted together. It was tiny and it cost $3. So I felt like I was being ripped off. It was like a little piece of nigiri sushi. Like it was like a little tiny, like basically in a moose bush. I was done with that, that some bitch in two bites, but it was delicious.

Brown butter blondie fuck. It was really yummy. Two croutons fashioned together, is that what you said? Yeah. That's a good description of it. You know, it's just in terms of how big it was. Just the taste. I also got a bag of beans, which I brewed up this morning.

No, no, no. I did. By the way, I was picturing beans, like not coffee beans. I was picturing like- Like face beans? Like cranberry beans, yeah. No, I got the- See, buy beans, yeah. I got the Mocha Java Blend Whole Beans, which is a reinterpretation of their first

ever blend back when W. James Freeman had his coffee cart in Oakland. And I brewed it up this morning. It's a great cup of joe. I really liked it. I'm telling you, the espresso beans for me are multiple purchases. Drinks great, food kind of whatever, one bad, one pretty fun. Mitch, what did you do beverage and food-wise?

I'm jealous because you guys sound like you got good drinks and my drinks were okay. I got the cafe latte and I was already kind of jittery before I went in there, so before I drank coffee and I couldn't say cafe correctly for like- This was this morning. This morning. That one yesterday. So before I drank coffee and I couldn't say cafe correctly for like- This was this morning. This morning. That went yesterday. And I was saying, I was like trying to pronounce cafe

and I couldn't say it to the lady. What'd you say? I think I said ca- Cake? I didn't say cake over and over again to the lady. I don't know. I just was like cafe. Orca-ca-cafee. Or like, I was like, I was like losing my mind.

And then she was like, cafe latte. And I was like, yes, please. And then I got the cafe mocha was the, and I got that hot. I got the ca- I got an iced ca-cafee. See, this is the same issue. Cafe. Cafe. Cafe latte.

And I got that iced. And I didn't like either. I liked the mocha way more than I liked the cafe latte. What was the trouble? This is just, to me, is like milky ice. Oh, met you spill. You gotta spill. This is like milky ice.

Milky, thank you. Thank you. It's like milky ice water to me. I don't do lattes for that reason. I don't really want a glass of milk. Yeah, it was, I got it with whole milk. Both of them I got with whole milk. And it wasn't, there was like no sweetness at all.

And I guess if I had known, I would have made it sweet. Got a pump of something in there. I would have pumped it up. Sugar-free peppermint. That's, I would have been fantastic. Especially with that mocha. Yeah, sure. It would have been nice.

And the mocha was good, but it wasn't, and actually it was decent because it was sweet, but not too, too sweet for a mocha. That would've been a nice. And the mocha was good, but it wasn't, and actually it was decent because it was sweet, but not too, too sweet for a mocha. That was by far my favorite drink, but the fizz, I should've gotten the fizz. Fizz was great. And then I got the, what's it called?

The almond toast, almond butter toast. Right. So did I. What'd you think? Can you tell? Well, I got a couple toast toast. Right. So did I. What'd you think? Can you tell? Well, I got a couple toasts. Yeah. Mitch brought in his leftover almond toast and it looked like shit.

Yeah, so it did. I have to say visually I was like, okay. So the almond butter, I would say good quality almond butter. Yes. But the toast that I had, literally to me it was toasted in a way to overcompensate for the fact that it wasn't fresh. Yeah. And I had bare bread.

So the almond was there in the middle with the jam, but I'm talking about some little quarters of a centimeter there of just raw bread without olive oil, without anything touching it, just the crispy, and I go, don't do that. Yeah. And here's another thing. What's that jam?

Quince. It's quinceince jam what I had was quince Can't they put a fucking strawberry jam? Yeah, the jam to me wasn't Spectacular. Yeah, I was just I was just very okay on it was very okay Yeah, I was I was I wanted it to be so much more there was a ham and cheese croissant, which I felt Or is it a baguette? French cheese croissant, which I felt, or is it a baguette? It's a baguette. It's a baguette.

All fell on the menu, yeah. All their pastries, to your point, seemed like it was a day old or more. They all seemed, nothing if it seemed fresh. We have to sound the alarm on the pastries because I went in there and got chocolate croissant. I go, this is great. Croissant, I go,

it took a bite and I didn't continue. I could tell when my knife hit the top. Well, visually I went, hmm. When my knife plunged into it to cut it, not a sound, no crisp, no flake, silent. And then the bite was silence. That's a bummer. I didn't care to continue. That's such a bummer. That was a bummer. I didn't care to continue.

God, that's such a bummer. That was a bummer. And by the way- Simon and Garfunkel. How much are those croissants? Fucking $5. This is the other thing. So we actually, we got a little bit of an extra blue bottle this morning,

just to like, I pre-show, we figured we'd have it on the show. And so I got this iced matcha latte. I also got the chocolate croissant. And you witnessed me eating this in that kitchen. I heard it. Same experience. Yes.

Or didn't hear it. You didn't hear it. Exactly. Same experience. I took a bite of the chocolatey part and then I took a bite of the non-chocolatey part just for contrast. And I was like, I'm done with this.

I thought it was awful. It's real bad. I really didn't like it. It was like an airport Starbucks tier chocolate croissant. James Freeman started Blue Bottle Coffee in 2002 and has since helped lead the West Coast coffee movement. His wife, Caitlin Williams Freeman left her pastry company, Mieté, whose ginger snaps are on our Big Eat in 2008, around the same time she married James.

So his wife is coming from a pastry company. Well, the brand they're using is called Bakers Needed. And maybe that's a good bakery, maybe they do good product. What they're serving in store is not fresh. And by the way, that's hard. You got to, I mean, it's a tall order to supply chains like that, but you got to do it. They're a coffee joint.

But it is, and to talk about a very different chain that's appealing to a very different demographic, but a place that has suffered from a lack of freshness, Mitch, your beloved Dunkin' Donuts. Yes, same. There's stuff when it started being made in industrial kitchens off the sides, and shipped into the stores, it lost a lot of its luster.

I had one of the most inedible breakfast items I've ever had at a Dunkin'. Wow. Wow, what? It was, what was it? It was like a breakfast, I've ever had at a Dunkin. Wow. Wow. What was it? It was like a breakfast, I guess it was a breakfast sandwich. There's no words.

It was really shocking. Can I be honest with you? Yeah. I don't believe you. Did I have it? I don't believe any of this story. It sounds like bullshit. But wait, where was I?

I want to also say, this was probably two years ago. Doesn't add up to me. Where was I? It's to also say, this was probably two years ago. Doesn't add up to me. Where was I? It's gone, I was on Los Angeles. Oh, interesting, you can't name the spot you're at. It was like, I didn't bring up the menu, but I think it was a disgusting item. I ordered it as an egg white bullshit thing.

Oh yeah, they do like, yeah, some of those can be really bad. I mean, they, look, Dunk. I like their breakfast. I love a donut, I mean, I love donuts. The donuts can, they vary because they get shipped in, but sometimes they can be great. And then also the same, like if I get a croissant sandwich,

I know that they have microwave the eggs and the bacon, but I still like it. But it was founded in my hometown. That's a huge. It's a huge accomplishment for me. In a hometown at Quincy, Massachusetts, it's the home of Dunkin' Donuts, my hometown of Lakewood, California,

the home of Denny's. That's right. It's in our blood, bitch. Wow, that's very sweet. We're breakfast boys, anyways. Yeah, we're breakfast boys. I'm never awake for breakfast. That said, I'd rather have Dunkin' than blue bottles.

Wags, same, and I'm gonna say this. Two things I'm gonna say here. One, right outside the window here, the Yeasty Boys truck is sitting there. And I'm like, fuck, I don't want a nice bagel from Yeasty Boys. And I'm eating this thing. And then across the street from there,

I just gotta give it a shout out, Wags. Fuck, what's the coffee place? Coffee Bean. The Coffee Bean is across the street. And when you order a chocolate croissant from coffee bean, they heat it up for you, which they don't even fucking offer at Blue Bottle and it's twice the price. Why can't you heat it up? Wow. That's a napkin. I got pissed off. I wrinkled up a napkin. I'm

pissed. I mean, there's no crunch anyways, why can't you fucking heat that thing up? There was no crunch. Yeah, the texture was really bad. And it's just, I don't know. The chocolate croissant at Coffee Bean is better than Blue Box. I agree with you, Mitch. I think that's well argued.

Macaulay's is right there too. Sure is. What else did we get this morning? Kate, you got some- I got, and this is good. I got just a cold brew with oat milk. Fun. And it's good.

Yeah. I gotta say it's good. I also had an avocado toast while I was there. How was the avocado toast? Well, see, same issue where some of the circum, we're having some bread that's just raw, it's untouched by product and you just can't have that. The avocado, I'll say, perfectly ripened,

had some nice lemon in there, had some nice acid. Sure. But I remember having like a truly delicious, oh my God, it's all coming back. I had an avocado toast at Blue Bottle in San Francisco that had like little like some kind of pickled Japanese radish on it. Fun.

It had a really nice spice on top, like a sumac or something. I remember going, God damn, this is good. The other day, in a pinch, in an emergency, I'd be happy to have that avocado toast, but it wasn't sufficient. They've probably done some things just to streamline production,

but then when they make those little things, like we're not gonna dust on the sumac anymore, like whatever. There was some kind of like spice on top, but it was totally acceptable. It wasn't bad, but it just, for $10. $10. That's the big thing.

And look, I feel like I'm immune to sticker shock just from eating at so many places in LA that are outrageously expensive. I went to Chipotle yesterday, I spent like fucking $16. Chipotle has, I mean, it's inedible. Yeah. It's wrong. Mine yesterday was fine.

It was not great. It's gotten worse. I've had some? My yesterday was fine. It was not great. It's gotten worse. I've had some heartbreaking. I was recently in a foreign town, by foreign town I mean Tahoe, and had a Chipotle bowl. I almost threw it across the room. Wow. Wow.

I mean, I took a couple of bites, I go... I couldn't do it. Yeah. I couldn't do it. I couldn't believe it. That's, it is. Whatever happened to rice and beans. It's, everything is, it's funny to do this podcast and see prices go way up and quality go down. It's just what's happening.

But anyway, I feel like I'm somewhat immune to sticker shock just because even Chipotle, but then also there's like so many like high end, like we did fucking Arrawan on the show. Like there's so many places that charge an outrageous amount of money here in LA. I would have killed to be the one to cover Erawan, I tried.

Because imagine going in there with an open tab. Amelia seemed to relay that you were keen on sugar fish, but it seems like you're more into Erawan. Erawan is like the cornerstone of my life. Wow. okay. But I had to physically move away from them because I would go once, twice a day. You were just going all the time.

Going all the time. What did you get? Well, luckily I went so hard on the hot bar there for so long that now I got it out of my system. They do have a great hot bar, it's just expensive. And I gotta tell you something, open 7 a.m. to 10 p.m., I heard they now extend it to 11. Wow.

So if you're crazy, you're working, you're busy, knowing you can get, I mean, it's huge. In Los Angeles? Yeah, yeah, with, like we said, late night options, the lunch options. Yeah, but so I was doing hot bar a lot, and then, I mean, sorry, the produce is gorgeous. Yeah, it is.

It'll make you cry. It's incredibly expensive, but some of the little to-go things, I love some of their little desserts, the raw brownie, stuff like that. I don't go hard on the smoothies. I think that's a waste of money there. I've had luck with their packaged sushi.

And I've also, I got like a $15, probably like $17 breakfast burrito there once. But this is speaking to how early it opens. Had a bad one there. It was. You had a good one? Mine was pretty good. Ooh, good.

$17, this is too much. It's all too much. Oh, it's, yeah. Blue bottle is too much. Blue bottle is in that tier of price category. That's what I was, all this was meant, this prelude was meant to say that like, I still get sticker shock when I get a blue bottle.

I was like, I can't believe I got two drinks and two pastries and I spent $30. Yeah. I had that feeling too, a couple of, yeah. Woodwinds don't buy themselves apparently. You lose. I know, I know. You got a- Does this guy play a cell phone?

One giant clarinet. That's, it's, look, it's out of, I got two coffees, two small coffees, the chocolate croissant and the avocado toast, which was cut in two, which made it kind of messy, by the way. I think just keep it in one. I don't need the, I don't cut my avocado toast. You like it? No, two, which made it kind of messy, by the way. I think just keep it in one. Don't cut my avocado in two. You like it?

No, I'm going wow, because it's all coming back to the superb blue bottle avocado toast I had in San Francisco. That almost served whole. This one the other day was cut in half. Interesting. Two toasts, two coffees and a croissant with tip, honey. Almost $50.

Unbelievable. That's insane. That is so much. That's insane. What are we doing here? I will say the app is not crap. The app is pretty easy to use, but Emma pointed this out. Too many decision points.

Too many, too many. Too much customization. Too many buttons. Like you're going through six to eight different drop downs on an individual drink. It's like, I don't need to make all these. It got confusing because you could get the beans half caffeinated, but then there was also a caffeine level. It was like, yeah, because drink is like, I don't need to make all these. It got confusing because there was some, you could get the beans half caffeinated, but then there was also a caffeine level. It was like, Whoa. Yeah, when you snacked your order last night,

I was so confused reading it in the tab. I was like, I'm going to have to figure, like go check this order system. I was just doing it, I was doing it thing by like, I was doing it, but I was putting it, listing it in the order it came. It was like espresso beans, but like, like caffeine. And I was like, some of this feels contradictory, but I'm confused. And then I like went to order it came. It was like espresso beans, but like caffeine. And I was like, some of this feels contradictory, but I'm confused. And then I went to order it today and I was like, okay, this makes more sense. But it's so, you have to click seven things

before you can order your coffee. I feel like I also need to say, I like Blue Bottle Coffee. I do like their coffee. And I will go to them and I get excited. I perk up if I see them, you're traveling, huh? I'm gonna go to them before I go to other places, okay? Yeah. But you have a croissant problem.

Yeah, but you gotta get in the... You have to fix it. I think it's more than a croissant problem. I think there's multiple issues with this place. I'm sorry. No, hey. I... Look, also, it's like an Apple store.

There should be more... Everything is like an Apple store now. Can't we have some, can't we get some heart in there? Can't we? I know, I know. There's a thing I read about, I can't remember the writer who coined this phrase. I think it's called aesthetic convergence.

And it's basically just how, because everything is so tested now, because there's so much data in terms of customer preferences, we've reached a point where all the rough edges have been sanded off, and so much stuff just feels generic. You see so many things that have the same like font treatment for logos.

So many stores that just have like an identical template. So every car company has the same midsize hybrid SUV. Everyone's making the same fucking shit. And it gets really, it just gets really tedious. It gets really boring. I'm making myself laugh with something that's not funny. But I was like, they should start a... I was like, they should start a...

I don't know. They should start a shop called Shit Coffee. And you go in and it's just shitty in there. And that was my big idea. And again, I know that's not funny. No, I liked it. I liked it. Imagine that. But also if it was just Shit know, and like that was my big idea. And again, I know that's not funny. No, I liked it. I liked it. But also if it was just shit coffee, fuck you.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. What do you want? And they throw the coffee in your face. Yeah. You pay extra for that. Yeah. You pay extra for the bathroom? No.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just kind of grimy. But it is true. There's that, everything's, you know, it's like everything's a hospital. Like, you know, you could perform a surgery in these times. If shit coffee really opened, it would be a little shit emoji on a white background,

like blue bottle. Yeah, no, no, my version is shit coffee, and the shit is in like crazy font. Like it's ugly font. It's actually not cool. It's not hip. Yeah, I love it. You go in there and Koalik's just hanging out.

I would feel more comfortable in shit coffee. I'd rather go to shit coffee. I'd rather go to shit coffee. Shit coffee and then it says the coffee's good. Coffee's actually pretty good. That's the thing about shit coffee. They're assholes. Yeah.

And it's cheap. It takes forever. It's cheap. I mean, look, I can tell that this is a quality coffee. Yeah. But I don't care. But at what cost? At what cost?

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argument if you will on this chain based on this experience, but also previous experiences, and then end by giving it a score from zero to five forks. Yeah. Kate, you're our guest. We'll begin with you. Okay. So I've said this. I'm going to say it again. I like blue bottle coffee, gun to my temple. That is my final answer. I like it. I support it. I hope you're never in that scenario, I pray. Those are my final words. Yeah.

But I think it's a dependable place for a cup of coffee. Mm-hmm. I feel disappointed by the pastries. Yeah. Yes. Fork score for me, I'm gonna be generous. I think it's still a four-fork situation because the coffee, oh no.

No, I'm taking it back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. I'm taking it back. Three, five. Wow. Half a fork. Yeah, you can do that. And the bottom half.

Wow. Wow. Wow, so not even any tines. Not the top. Just the handle. Just the handle. That's so. Without the flare. Wow. That's almost impossible to eat with that. Yeah, that's a useless implement. It's a symbolic gesture, the handle. Just the handle. That's so- Without the flair. Wow. That's almost impossible to eat with. Yeah, you could, that's a useless implement.

No, exactly. It's a symbolic gesture, the half. At a coffee shop, you could use it to stir, I'm thinking. It would have some functionality, yeah. And I'll go back, I've been, and I'll go back. Yeah. Three and a half forks. Three and a half forks. Mitch, what do you think?

Look. It's a coffee shop at the end of the day. It is, it's a coffee shop. And I do think it is quality, like the coffee, I can tell it's good coffee. And look, W, what's his name? James W.C. Fields? Oh, W. James Hinman is up here again.

W. James Freeman, not the Jiffy Lube guy. I do not care about the Jiffy Lube guy, the guy who sold nursing homes. Yes. W. James Freeman, I know that you're going to play me a little sob story with your clarinet. Oh, no. Here we go. Not how you hold it. There you go.

There you go. That's better. I don't want to hear the sob story. You're a multimillionaire at this point. I know your place looks nice. For me, I felt out of place. I didn't like walking in there. But I mean, that's most places, I guess.

I don't feel comfortable in a lot of places. But I just- Shit coffee, however. Shit coffee I would feel great at. And I would look good in shit coffee. Blue bottle, I just, there's something about it that's so sterile, just a sterile place. It's not sexy, I'll tell you that much.

And I'm, Keep going. Intelligentsia, I like intelligentsia, but I also, I would have a coffee at Intelligentsia that was like really, really good. And I- Nice pastries. And good pastries. And thisency that was like really, really good. And I- And good pastries. And good pastries.

And this, the food I had was not good. Yeah. The food, and then we also got overnight oats, which was, what was it called? It was mush? The brand was mush. So this was just the thing you can like get at Target that they're reselling.

Glyphosate, I assume. Oats soaked to the brim with glyphosate. I'm not sure. I didn't check the ingredient list. Well, it wouldn't be listed. Oh, wow, okay. It would have to say, and no glyphosate on it. No glyphosate.

There's no way. Wait, this is a thing they can get away with not including on the ingredient list? Are you kidding me? I'm going to America. The oats are seeped in glyphosate, and that's part of why we can't be doing old milk regularly, and that in the palm oil.

Wow. What is glyphosate? It's Roundup, it's like what they spray. Oh, no. Yeah, it's really bad, and oats are coated. You gotta do the research and find the glyphosate-free oats, guys. It's too exhausting. I just can't, I can't be policing absolutely everything

I put in my body. It's too much. Mush would do that to us? Even Mush, the Mush brand? I'm sorry, Mush can reach out, but Mush, I think it's a good life, I'm sorry. I hope they don't. Well, they do have little quotes inside the caps of mush.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal, which got me more mad. I didn't like that at all. Condescending. It was condescending. I see that on Instagram over a photo of Marilyn Manson. Sorry. I meant Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Manson. Sorry, sorry, I meant Marilyn Monroe.

Marilyn Manson also works though. That's really surprising, the mush, because it's like they know you're a loser if you're eating it or something. Do you know what I'm saying? They're like, we know you're having a hard time. Like, it's rude. We're all freaks now in the dope show

over a picture of Marilyn Monroe. That's rude. We're all freaks now in the dope show over a picture of Marilyn Monroe. That's good. Uh, I, I, I, I, I feel, I feel like it's not fair that I'm kind of like, I don't want to like this place. But I do recognize that the drinks are, are good. They're not, they're, they're, it's, they have quality drinks. The staff was very nice to me.

Um, but, uh, I can't, I'm going three forks. They have quality drinks. The staff was very nice to me. But I can't, I'm going three forks. I can't, I can't, I can't. Wow, that's high that I expected you to go lower. I thought we were gonna get two from you. The issue is that I know that the coffee is good. I don't like coffee, but I know that it's quality coffee. It just is like, I don't know. It's just, it was just, I mean,

I could have gone two and a half, but I'm just trying to be fair. I feel like I don't like this place. That's a fair score. Yeah, three is fair. Here's the thing. Ooh, here we go. I think it's pretty simple regarding blue bottle coffee. And I think he basically pointed out,

coffee's good, food is bad. There's just like, if you wanna get a cup of coffee, an expensive cup of coffee. Cup of cake. Blue bottle, where are the blue bottles? It's more just like the logo. Is that your issue? You wanna see physical blue bottles?

Why don't I have a blue bottle? Yeah, why not have a blue bottle? You might be able to get some to-go stuff in a blue bottle. All right, well then that. But I don't know. Okay. It's more just their branding. Yeah. All right, well then that. But I don't know. Okay. It's more just their branding. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's go on. I don't think you should get hung up on that. I was going to say that the, that Intelligency was mentioned. La Colombo, or La Colombo was not mentioned, that's another coffee place in the neighborhood. Right across the street over here.

Yeah. What's that? I mentioned it. You did mention La Colombo, I apologize. La Colombo, another chain that is like the same sort of, to me, if there was a blue bottle where there's the La Colombe, I'd just go there for my coffee.

You know what I mean? Like, I just like, to me, that's the same. These are lateral moves and the workers over there are great and they're really nice, but like all these places are just kind of the same. Would you go Intelligencia before the other two? This is interesting. Yeah. La Colombe, Intelligencia, blue bottle. Where do you walk in?. Would you go Intelligencia before the other two? This is interesting. Yeah.

La Colombo, Intelligencia, Blue Bottle. Where do you walk in? Where do you go? Which one are you going to? Well, oof. I think I just change it up every day. I think I will go to Intelligencia. I guess probably Intelligencia, but also like- I'm actually going La Colombo, I think.

Maybe I go La Colombo. I don't know, they're all the same to me. Like, I don't care. I like the draft latte on tap. Oh. A black and tan at Colborough. I don't know. That sounds good. I think if you think of like a, you know, like a Starbucks is maybe like, I'm

just trying to compare comp them to retailers. So maybe that's like a Walmart, maybe like a coffee bean is more like a target. Maybe like a pizza is more, you know, and kind of that range then blue bottle and all these places are all kind of aspiring to be like a Nordstrom or Bloomingdale's right. It looks like a little bit of a nicer tier, a Nordstrom or Bloomingdale's, right? It looks like a little bit of a nicer tier, a little bit more expensive, a little bit more of a premium. But I don't think the quality necessarily is like all that justifies the price.

It's just what happens to be in certain gentrified neighborhoods. And so if that's what the option is, if it's a Blue Bottle, I'm fine with it. The coffee's fine. I'll just avoid the food. But yeah, I think I give all these places the same score. I'm gonna give Blue Bottle with just three forks. It's just right down the middle. It's trying to give you a cup of coffee and it's doing it. It's charging too much for it, but you know what?

I'm not upset about the quality at the end of the day. So I don't know. I also like another thing in their favor. You know, cause Nestle, its owner, corporate owner is fucking an evil extractive corporation. They're horrible. We have to point that out or else people will yell at us. But-

From where? What? Nestle. You're not talking about Steve Wynn, are you? Okay. Wynn is great. They privatize water. Yeah, they're awful. But the thing I was gonna say is all of their drink,

their drink containers are compostable, which I do like. They don't have single use plastic. With Nestle? Yeah. No, not Nestle, at Blue Bottle. Oh, yeah. No, no, that's true. Three Forks, I don't know, it's not exciting.

I'm sorry we didn't have an exciting thing to talk about. I had a blast. Would you like to apologize to Duncan, though, now that we have you here? I never was there and it was a lie. Wow. Thank you. All right, hey, that was our review of Blue Bottle Coffee.

It's time for a segment. I've got some food-related jingles, and Mitch and Kate must determine which year they came out. It's another edition of Jingle All the Way, spelled W-H-E-Y. So Kate, here's how this will work. I will show a commercial with a jingle, and then you will each take turns

guessing which year it may be used. W-H-E-Y was the best we ever came up with jingle. It was W-E-I-G-H and then someone changed into W-H-E-Y and then we came there from that canonically. Here are the rules. Jingle aloe. A-L-O-E for another food thing. That's pretty good.

That's pretty good. Yeah. Okay, I like that as an all. I'll just, you know, you'll mention it for me or not, please. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah. Okay, I like that as an all. You know, you'll mention it for me right now, please. Here are the rules. The closest guess without going over wins a point. If you guess the year exactly, you get two points.

This is the Arden-Marine rule. If the game ends in a tie, the guest wins. So tie goes to the guest, Kate. That's to your benefit. That's the Mitch Kenna rule. And if the second guesser can guess a movie from the first guesser can guess a movie from the first guesser's year correctly,

they get an extra point. You can do that once per match. That's the murder Brian rule. I'm not gonna do well. Okay. I just wanna say that now. No, you're gonna do great. Today's theme is Long John Silver's jingles.

So these are from the chain Long John Silver. Do you ever have Long John Silver's? Never. It's pretty bad. Cool. A franchise where I don't think I've ever seen a commercial from there. This'll be great. Have you guys done BJs?

Obviously. We have done BJs. We've done BJs once, but I would. The Pazooki, I've been meaning to go back. Love the Pazooki. Used to go wild in high school, the Pazooki. It's great. The Pazooki's very good.

It's a home run, my favorite chain restaurant dessert. It's very good. Absolutely. It's so good. Okay, these are as always compiled by the Drop King Robert Persinger. Thanks, DK. All right, first up, this ad is called Three for the Money.

Three for the Money. Long John Silver's Three for the Money. Shrimp, fish, and chicken. Three for the Money and one special dinner. Big shrimp. Oh, yeah. Crispy fish. Tender chicken.

Plus hush puppies, fries, and fresh coleslaw. Shrimp, fish, and chicken. Three for the money at one special price. Long John Silver's three for the money, shrimp, fish, and chicken special. This is- Oh, who's that lady? I think that's just whatever it was coming.

Hello. Whatever the next ad is. I think I'm in love. Who is that beautiful lady? No idea. So. Dude, she's probably a freaking grandma right now. Yeah.

Well, hey, that may be an indicator for what year this came out at. Mitch, do you wanna go first or second? I'll let, well, it's up to our guests. I'll let our guests decide. Okay, and you can all turn. Well, not sure, I'll go second. You'll go second. All right, Mitch Mitch, do you want to go first or second? I'll let, well, it's up to our guests. I'll let our guests decide. Okay, and you can all turn. Well, not sure, I'll go second. You'll go second.

All right, Mitch, what do you think? Not a freak. A lot of clues, definitely four by three aspect ratio, looked like it was transferred off of VHS. Yes, yes. See, I'm not a guy, so I don't know about that stuff. I told you I wasn't gonna do well. Guys, we love this shit.

We love aspect ratios. Casey, what's your favorite aspect ratio? I'm a four three guy. Yeah. Oh shit. The whale was four three. Pretty cool. I feel like it's more cinematic now

cause we're using these HDTVs. Yeah. Great for closeups of faces. Oh yeah. The black crush, crush blacks. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Great for closeups of faces. Oh yeah. Yeah, the black crush, crush blacks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the crush blacks in the Blu-ray edition. Yeah.

Pretty good. Okay, I have an idea of the year for this. Hmm. Let me just mouth what I was gonna say. Just in case, okay. Are you seeing it? Yeah. I'm gonna try not to pay attention to this.

Do you? I can see in your eyes that it's wrong. I got, I got, cause I was like, I'm gonna be bad at this, I'm gonna be bad at this, and then I went, what if I nail it? So I wanted you to privately know that I had nailed it, but I'm playing by the rules. I was just gonna really hear you.

I just wanna add that the Weiger's dead eyes mean nothing. You could have nailed it, but I'm playing by the rules. I was just wondering if you had that Weiger's dead eyes mean nothing. You could have nailed it perfectly. Okay. We should do a podcast about these eyes. A long running podcast. Turn around behind you. Is it there? It's right over Weiger's shoulder.

Oh, it is. Maybe man's dead eyes single. Okay, okay. We gotta get them on. All right, here we go. I think, my initial thought was 1980. And that's what Kate said. Sorry, sorry, going out of my spot.

Sounds like that's what Kate said. But I always think that it's a couple years later than you think it is. Also, by the way, it wasn't, honestly, that food looked pretty good. I just was saying- It looked crunchy. It looked good. It was by the way, it wasn't, honestly, that food looked pretty good. I just was saying- It looked crunchy. It looked good.

It was gross the way they were just handling the food more so. Yeah, yeah, and the chicken. And the chicken bite after the fish. It just was just kind of weird. And they're separating shrimp and fish, confusion. Yes, it was, yeah, it was confusing and kind of strange. 1980, honestly, it's cause it feels, it's that early, it's that early eighties, almost seventies vibe

that it's giving me. But I'm gonna say 1982, because I feel like it's always so much. Oh, that was my year. Wow, 1982 is the guess. God, cock. That was really gonna be my year. That's.

Cause I watch, I go 82, and then I, and then I just say, just to peel back and give you the breakdown of what I was thinking. And then I went down to 80, you're saying 82, I'm gonna go 80. 80 is good, but here, oh, it's, if you said 1983, you get everything after 83, or if you say 1960, you'd get that. See, this is, thank you.

Yeah, there's some strategy there. I can't get the rules. I mean, the rule is bad. It seems like they shut me down. To be fair, it's a bad rule that Weiger won't change. The thing is, if you said 1983, you would have overshot it, but you actually ended up getting a point here because it came out in 1981. Oh my God.

1981. You kind of nailed that, honestly. So what does that mean? We both went in? You got a point. No, because Mitch went over. It's whoever got closest without going over. Can you guess a movie to get a bonus point?

Can you guess a movie? No, that's you. Can you guess a movie to get a bonus point? From 1980. Yes, I won't be able to do. From 1981. From 1981. Oh, I mean, there's no way.

Wait, do I have to guess it from 1980 or 1981? No, 1981, because it came out in, wait, hold on. What is the role? From the year that she guessed. So he would have to pick a movie from 1980, even though the commercial came out in 1981. Emma's correct. That's how the Murder Brian role works.

I'm trying to make up the name of a movie. 1982, ET came out. So two years before ET. 1980. 1980. I got one, I got a guess. You got one in your head? I'm not gonna say what it is.

I think I'm right. I can't think of that ever. 1980, this is so, 79 I'd have one, 78 and 77 I'd have one. 1980 is honestly hard for me. I can't tell you any date that any movie was ever made. I'm not kidding, I just felt. Yeah, I'm not great at that. 79 is alien, right?

You also admit you can say, you don't have to do it to take a guess now, you can wait till later, because this is a thing you can do once per game. Okay, 1980 is... Wait, no. Wait a minute, is 1980, it's not. It's not Empire Strikes Back, is it?

Is this your guess? Empire Strikes Back. Look at his eyes, there's a smile. Mitch gets a point. Yes! Number one at the box office, number two, nine to five. That was a 1980 movie. Number three, stir crazy, number four, airplane, number five, any a 1980 movie. Number three, stir crazy.

Number four, airplane. Number five, any which way you can. Oh, of course. Which I feel like has kind of been a memory hold that was a Clint Eastwood movie. Looks like things are all tied up right now. All right, Mitch gets a point, but now you can't do that again the rest of the match.

Wait, I can't do it again? No, you get to do it once. Oh. So each of you gets to try it once. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Right, because you're gonna guess opposite. Kate will guess first. Right, it's like a lifeline. No, you get to do it once. Oh. So each of you gets to try it once. Yeah. Okay. Right, because you're going to guess opposite. Kate will guess first.

Right, it's like a lifeline. You use it and you lose it. Can we still just do it for fun? All right, fine, you can keep doing it. All right, that's fine. Next up, this is, you're going to get your wish. Huh? It's the name of the sad.

So the adder hits me, chicken sounds good. I hit for Long John, something tells me I should. 199, I hear a voice say, chicken at Long John's will blow you away. Hey, what am I something tells me I should 99 I hear a voice say chicken at long John's Hey, what am I thinking? Am I an outer space? Can the world's best chicken be at a fish place and the voice said chicken at long John's is just a thing so many Choices those taste buds will say So I stopped at the sign couldn't believe my eyes got the 199 fish chicken and fries So if you think a chicken you gotta go fish

Got the 199, fish, chicken, and fries. So if you're thinking chicken, you gotta go fish. Long drive to the west, you're gonna get your wish. If you're thinking chicken, you gotta... By the way, who is that? I'm not sure. I don't know who that is. Okay. This might be a Star is Born moment here.

If you're thinking chicken, you gotta go fish. That was, it didn't make sense really. Really confusing. Definitely like, you know, there's some clues on the wardrobe, I feel like. Yeah, hard clues. Very much so also the early corporate hip hop parody. Like they've got like a-

All right, don't tip it too much. I'm just saying, there's some stuff that maybe time stamps a little bit. I kinda wanna go wild and pick a date. Well, you only have to pick a year. You can go specific if you want. Early March. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha but now I don't even, now I don't know what to think. This reminds me very much of like... Now I know that it's 89, so keep going. That's, that was truly where my head was at,

was like maybe right before the 90s. It's very much like a Clarissa explains it all sort of vibe that I'm getting from this. Oh, good comp, yeah. I'm a fool. I went too. I got excited. 93, you maybe nailed it, in which you get two points if you do. But I'm gonna say 1989. And then I, you know, it covers those years.

But in the world if that's it, I want to. Okay, that's fair. Not actually, but. 1989 is before when this ad came out in the year 1993. Kate gets it exactly, gets two points. Oh my God! Two points. Two points. Two points.

Wow. To think I was disparaging myself, I won't be able to do it right, nailing it every time. Yeah, you're doing great. Why, can you guess a movie from 1989? What's that? Can you guess a movie from 1989?

Oh, your guess, 1988, wait, you're challenging me? Yeah. 1989 in film, do the right thing. Batman. Batman. Batman. I think those are both 89s. All right, I'll look it up.

Next up, this one is called, We Wanna See You Happy and C is spelled S-E-A. Perfect. They're obsessed with the ocean. They really are. We wanna see your eyes when we see our shrimp. At Long John Silver's, we wanna see you sink your teeth into our big, juicy-

He's overacting big cheesy butterfly shrimp. And right now you can get these golden beauties in four great meals for only 3.99 each. Like our six piece shrimp dinner and our shrimp and fish dinner. You see we wanna make sure we're gonna see you back. Jesus. Long John Silver's.

Shrimp meals, 3.99 each. We wanna see you happy. I really do wanna encourage anyone who normally just listens to this podcast to check out the YouTube feed, at least for this segment, because I think these commercials are really fascinating time capsules. Yeah. Yes.

But also it seems like what they're trying to do there is almost be like we're like Red Lobster, come get a plate of shrimp at a restaurant, come dine in and enjoy your sit down experience, which is very foreign to Long John Silver's. I mean, this is the nicest way possible. The man who's in that commercial, I miss seeing people like that on television.

It's like, this guy right here, here he is, right here. Oh my God, oh my God. Yeah, yeah. That's a good guy, look at that guy. That's a screen grab right here, this guy putting a shrimp into his mouth. Yeah. He's definitely intentionally messing up the take

so he can do it over and over again. We can make that the- And he's formally trained. You can tell. We can make that the podcast art for this episode, just a one-off. This is, I mean, look, this, I'm gonna just say it right off the bat. This is an 80s commercial once again. This is not seven. Yeah, you're going first this time. And by the way, we're both correct.

Batman and Do the Right Thing both in 1989. 1989, perfect. This is an 80s commercial. Also, hey, but I think this is before Batman or Do the Right Thing came out. I have a year. Go. I have a year as well.

Interesting. And I think it's the Red Sox are playing in the World Series. It's 1986. That was exactly, and by the way, you can't see inside my brain. It's 1986. That was exactly, and by the way, I have a year. Go. I have a year as well. Interesting. And I think it's the Red Sox are playing in the World Series. It's 1986. That was exactly, and by the way,

you can't see inside my brain, so you don't know if I'm a liar, but I'm not. And I had 86. That was my year. 86. I believe you. The Celtics win the championship.

Red Sox playing for the World Series. Yeah, big year in Boston. The ball goes between Buckner's legs. That's what happens. I wasn't born yet, so I don't know what was going on. Wow. We're so, we're very old, it turns out.

Well, what are you gonna do? I knew it was 86. You knew it was, you felt like it was 1986, but 1986 is taken, what's your guess? You go 87? 88, I'm going higher. You are going higher to 1988. Now here's the thing, 1987.

You said 87. Strategy, I don't know the strategy. Might be the safer pick, because then you can, if it is 1987 and it's 1988, you whiff it. The thing is, it is exactly 1988, so you get two points again. What the fuck? You're running away with it. What the hell?

Five to one. Absolutely crushing. This really rules. Yeah. This sucks for me. It's great for me. It's great for you. Mitch, you wanna guess a 1988 movie?

A 1988 movie, a year before Batman. I'm gonna say Arachnophobia. Oh, Arachnophobia. I feel like that was 90s, but I could be wrong. Fuck, you're right. No, I could be wrong. Let me look it up. No, you're right. The Witches.

That feels early, but maybe I'm wrong. 1988 film. Can you believe but maybe I'm wrong. 1988 film. Can you believe the way I'm winning? No, I'm devastated. I don't know if anyone's ever gotten that many right on the money. That's like maybe a first. Yeah.

That's pretty good. It's ruining my day. I'm astonished with myself. The Witches, the original Witches, not the Zemeckis remake was 1990. Dang. I'm going to shut it a little bit. Okay, next up, there is a movie that you,

that we covered on the Blank Check podcast. It's an 88. It's a big one. It's a big boy. It's another Zemeckis. What? All right, let's look at this next one. This is called Rap Thing.

["Rap Thing"] You can never have anything, anything like this. Okay. Bon Jon's rap? thing. Wrapped up with all kinds of fresh stuff. All for just $1.99 or $2.99. Take a fresh look at Long John Silver's. Wrapping, I think I love you. Those really look like they sucked. Those did not look good at all. Those didn't look that good, no. I agree.

Are you guys gonna talk for me at Chicken Cafe? Obviously. We have not reviewed it, no. We have not reviewed it. You could have done it. You wanna come back? Yeah. All right, we'll come back, we'll do Triple C. I've never had it. Or I haven't had it in years, rather. I've had it, I We have not reviewed it. You could have done it. You want to come back? Yeah.

All right, we'll come back. We'll do Triple C. I've never had it. Or I haven't had it in years, rather. I've had it. I've had it in years. Are you sure you want to come back? I want to come back.

I've had it too many times and it's kind of just whatever. But hey, it gets a job done. Someone recently was talking about it and it sounded good. I got confused. You know, last time I had it, it was hidden. Well, shit. We'll cover it. Robert Zemeckis, 88 time I had it, it was hit. Well shit. No. We'll cover it. Robert Zemeckis, 88.

Just tell me what it was. We did a podcast episode about it with our friends Sims and Biffen. Oh, who framed Roger Rabbit? That's right, who framed Roger Rabbit. What about, was arachnophobia wrong? Arachnophobia, oh shit, I forgot. 94.

94? 94? I'm gonna give you two points if arachnophobia came out right. That's fucking crazy. I don't know. She's winning four to one. Five to one. 94. 94? 94? I'm gonna give you two points if arachnophobia came out. That's fucking crazy. I don't know. She's winning four to one.

Five to one. Maybe that's gonna be seven to one. Girls rule. Arachnophobia was 1990. That's shit. Okay, next up. Oh, wait, we didn't guess and wrap thing. Who's going first, I forgot.

Who went first last time? Kate's going first. Okay, Kate, you're going first. Your guess. 96. Wow, that is a great, great guess. There's definitely an indication because Wild Thing was back in the zeitgeist

because of Major League, the movie. I'm so bummed out because 96 is the perfect, I think 97 is too late. Yeah. There's a friend friends vibe to that babe who was selling these wraps very much. She looked like she was like a Monica or something. Yep.

Or yeah, Monica. The overalls. The overalls, yeah. I'm gonna say- Oh yeah, that's a good call. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna just be safe here and say 1990 cause then I'll get from 1990 to 1996 and hope that it was 95 or something.

Yeah, Mitch, you played it safe, and it paid off because you did go before the date in question, which is 1996 exactly. Oh my God! This is insane. This is insane. This is truly a first. This has never happened to me. This has never happened to me.

This has never happened to us playing this game either. I don't care. You said you were bad at these sorts of things. I am, I am. And you were knocking it out of the park. 96 was a great guess. It was a great guess. That is what I would have said as well.

I think you nailed it perfectly. Can you guys believe this? I honestly can't. I'm gobsmacked. It's like your beloved Boston Celtics running through last year's NBA playoffs. Let me just say this. I'm gobsmacked. It's like your beloved Boston Celtics running through last year's NBA playoffs. Let me just say this. I'm pretty good at this game-wise.

You are pretty good at this game. And getting stomped like this is crazy. You're kicking my ass. We have one last, one left. This one is called a chiller. I mean, it's a runaway now. What is that? Eight to one?

It is seven to one. Seven to one. God feels good. This is that? 8 to 1? It is 7 to 1. 7 to 1. God feels good. This is cockwits. Here it comes. What would you say to a chilled salad with oceans of seafood? Sounds good to me. There's a new chiller at Long John Silver's, our Ocean Chef Salad.

It's a chef's salad with oceans of seafood, shrimp and combinations of whitefish crab and lobster Sounds new sounds like you'll get a chill Killers sounds good to me. Okay that looks like shit Cold seafood yeah, that does not look good. By the way, you're a piece of shit when you did that whole thing with Kate. I forgot to say this to you.

What? We were like, Mitch, you did play it safe, but then it was all to say Kate won. You're a piece of shit. That was really good acting. You were a showman. You were a showman. I gave up, I went, oh, I didn't get that one.

Oh wow. I fucking pissed me off. And I gotta get it right this time., I didn't get that one. Oh wow. I fucking pissed me off. And I gotta get it right this time. I can't let you do this. I can't let you pull this off. Okay. What year did the chillers ad come out? 1984.

Mitch is guessing 1984. God, is it 86? 1984 is the guess. It's funny because I have a feeling, you're almost there, but I'm gonna say 1985. I have a feeling about that. Okay, well, this will really piss me off if you get it right.

This has been, Mitch, your advice strategically has been like you go like one above, your price is right, and then you have every year in front of you. Yes. Which worked out amazingly in this case because it is exactly 1985. Oh my God!

Why? Two points. This is an incredible day for me. Wow. I'm gonna dance outta here. What a run. Is this one of the best days of your life? Yeah. To win like this, to sweep. Congratulations. I can say thank you.

Why is movie from 1980? Can you think of a movie from I'll give you from 1984, 1985 and 1987? For no reason. I guess three years. When you get a movie element from 1990s, 1997, you I don't know about that while I'm way off. Is it 1997? Boy, it doesn't sound that late, but maybe. I want to say 95 is fifth element. Let's just try to guess fifth element,

then we'll move on with our last. I'm gonna guess 95. Casey, you gotta guess on what your fifth element came out? The effects are pretty good in it. I want to go 98. Yeah, and Chris Tucker's in it. 98? Yeah. Which is a thing. Yeah. Gonna have to go 98. Yeah, and Chris Tucker's in it. 98? Yeah.

Which is a thing. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm gonna go 98. Well, funny, if you assholes had listened to me, it was 1997, you fucking assholes. It was 97, wow, okay. Well, we're not gonna guess the same year as you.

Yeah, I can get some stuff right on the fucking podcast, okay? Yeah, I know, all right. Kate doesn't get to guess every fucking right thing. Bitch gets two points for getting the right year of fucking- Oh, eat shit. With element, doesn't get to guess every fucking right thing. Mitch gets two points for getting the right year of fucking- Oh, eat shit. With element, doesn't matter. Hey, just like a restaurant, about your feedback, let's look at the feedback.

Today's email is from Matt. Matt writes, I recently got my wife a lot of sauces for her Mother's Day present. I got her burger sauce, French fry sauce, chicken- Happy Mother's Day, I got you a bunch of sauces. Our fucking dumbass listeners. The wrapping's wet because I've wrapped up sauces. Oh, thank you.

I've got to fly to Milan for my runway show, but thank you. We have dumb listeners who have attractive, smart wives. Barbecue sauce and some of the Chick-fil-A sauces. My question to y'all is, what is your most favorite food related gift you've ever given or received? Wow. Thanks for all the years of laughs. Love y'all to pieces.

Shout outs to Emma and Jemmy. Wow, Casey, I guess you can go fuck yourself. And us too. I'm really excited. I'm excited. I do remember a specific, I think I've talked too. Emilia, hi. I do remember a specific, I think I've talked about it on the podcast before. Yeah.

Flashback, it is 1990. I don't know what came out, the year after Batman. Yeah. Goodfellas came out. I've just received my first communion. I'm now officially a Catholic boy. Catholic man, I thought. Catholic man, I guess, at this point. I've just received my first communion. I'm now officially a Catholic boy and Catholic man, I thought Catholic man, I guess, at this point.

I'm getting first communion. There are people who are coming and they're giving me like shitty gifts. My auntie Masha comes. I'm Masha. I love you. And she brings me a happy meal. That's great. Burger fries, happy meal. It fucking ruled. I just remember being like, this is awesome.

I'm like such a boring day, you know what I mean? Like, and it was fantastic. And it stuck with me now for 30 years. It's about exactly what you wanted. Yeah, that's awesome. Exactly what I wanted. Exactly what the child wants. It ruled.

I did use that first community money to buy the Super Nintendo, like. Very exciting. Yeah. Wait, that can't have been the same. Maybe it was 1989? What year did the Super Nintendo come? Is this called the Year Show?

You know, it's not the Year Show, but honestly it could be, because that seems like we're dealing with a lot here. I don't know if the Year Show has legs. And I'm winning the Year Show. I feel like you probably could. You're doing great. Yeah, you're knocking it out of the park.

You're thriving. I guess that's kind of what, what was that, the Dateline used to do the year thing a lot. I don't know if you remember that coming back from commercial breaks. Andy Rooney or some shit? Guest of the year? It was guest of the year and they'd have like

a bunch of different clues about world events. I told you on the sad side of stuff, a lot of edible arrangements for when my dad died. Yeah. They went nutty with the edible arrangements. Right. How are those? Fantastic.

Really? Is it only true? Wish I had three or four more dads. It's not are those? Fantastic. Really? Is it only true? Wish I had three or four more dads. It's not, is it really just fruit? There's like sometimes chocolate covered pineapple. Yeah, that's cool. And like they put them in the shape of flowers. We have a ton of edible arrangements.

Yeah. Okay, so a food related gift. Kate, does anything come to mind? You know, I got one not too long ago, a couple of-related gift. Kate, does anything come to mind? You know, I got one not too long ago, a couple years ago for my birthday. A friend sent me via Goldbelly, I believe, that service, I'm not affiliated with them at all,

from, is it Jones Bakery? What's the famous, the Tom Cruise coconut cake? We had the coconut cake on a recent episode back in September with our buddy Drew McQueenie. We liked it quite a bit. It was very yummy. I have to say something. She sent it to me.

It was so delicious. It was like, I was like, it was one of the best cakes I'd ever had. I talked it up so much. I got it maybe the following year. It wasn't as good. Oh, no. Like I got a dud or something.

And it was really, cause the one I had was transcendent. I'm glad that you had a great one too. We had a, we had a. So I don't know what happened. Hey, it happens. You know, the baker was asleep that day or whatever. When I was an off night.

Yeah. I'm trying to think of a- By the way, that episode we did way back in September, which we recorded four days ago. Yeah. Yeah. But that's when we had it. We had it four days ago. Yeah, yeah. But that's when we had it. We had it four days ago, basically.

It was good, it was really good. Drew had put it in his freezer, so we had it, it was frozen. I had it frozen, I had it fresh out of the package and frozen, ate it later, it was amazing. Okay. I'm starving. Sorry, we will get you out of here.

I'm not complaining. I'm trying to think of food related gifts. I mean, now he's gotten me like, just like an in and out gift card before, which is nice. That goes to good use. I'm trying to think of- I've gotten good hot sauces. I mean, I've gotten, I definitely have gotten a lot of

nice gift cards of food. And I know that I've gotten also like actual food gifts and I'm blanking. The one I- McDonald's from when I was eight. The one I'm, fly by Jane, you know, sauce trio. The story I'm thinking of that this made me think of is when I was sleeping over at my friend's house for, and it was Easter weekend,

and so the next day was Easter Sunday. And so we had like, the mom was like, hey, write out gift bags, me and a couple other kids, write out your name on a gift basket. You slept over for Easter Sunday? Yeah, what's crazy about that? Swordfish had just come out. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It was just a fucking weekend. Yeah. That's not crazy, right? No, it's just a holiday, so I'm surprised by it. That's all.

Anyway, so my friend's mom was like, put your name on an Easter basket, and we'll fill it, we'll give you candy in the morning. So we'd have kids. Wait, I was gonna get double candy. Buy a greedy. And I made up some fake kids. And so I wrote marker on a couple of other extra baskets

just to see what would happen. And you know what? They were filled with candy. Oh my God, the trickster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so there were like three of us, we got like five kids worth of candy and the mom didn't really check out.

Yeah. The resurrection of Jesus Christ, that's what you decided to do? I committed a sin. But you know what? Feels good to sin. Wow. Get an extra chocolate bunny.

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and our video editor is Mike Dorfman. Kate Berland, thanks so much for being here. What a get. What a get. Thank you, it was so fun. I want to give a shout out to Eric and Anthony, who are huge fans of the show. Wow. Wow.

And I had a blast and I won so much. You really did. You dominated this edition of Jingle All the Way. I feel like we need to add a new rule or give some sort of like- A Berlant rule. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, some sort of honorific.

I would really love that. You know, I think what we'll do is we'll have you be, you have the record for most points. But when I tell you, my heart just started beating really fast. Because of this exciting, or the coffee. It's both, but they gave me a real, that felt really good.

We'll take it. I've never had anything like that. Well, this is the jingle all the way Hall of Fame wags, Cape Verlant, the first- The first inductee. Inductee. Huge honor. We're gonna have to have you come back

with John and Claudia, where you guys would just dominate the hell out of Nick and I. In a heartbeat. I just won't show up. Yeah. Do you have anything you'd like to plug? No. Who would you give shout outs to again?

I give a shout out to Eric and Aunt Knee. Eric and Aunt Knee, hi, thanks for listening. We're the Doughboys. Thank you, we're the Doughboys. I'm Weiger. Huge thanks. You don't have to talk to them like they're in the room. They're going to be listening and watching.

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