Dumb Blonde - Season 8: Best Of (Part 1)

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Season 8 was so good and had it all—scandal, chaos, laughter, and some of the most memorable convos yet. Bunnie and the crew pulled together some of the best moments for you, including Aubrey O'Day spilling the tea on Hollywood & the music industry, holistic queen Dani Williamson being our wellness warrior and holistic healer, and Demps keeping it raw and real about love, heartbreak, and bouncing back. Elle King lit up the room with her humor and soul, MGK took us back to his roots, and the one and only Dolly Parton graced the mic, proving why she’s the queen of everything. See you for Season 9 babies! Watch Full Episodes & More:www.dumbblondeunrated.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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What's up you sexy motherfuckers. Yeah baby. None other than the queen, Ms. Aubrey O'Day in the house baby. Thanks from one queen to another queen. Wait, can we just stand up and see this outfit? Oh my God. Please, like we gotta appreciate this outfit.

She walked in and I was like, what? Like so cute, look at her. She's so, yeah baby. Oh, I love this. You look so good. Always like playing it down on the podcast because you're just really not supposed to do the most on podcasts.

I mean, but why? Who says so? But I'm in Nashville at your new studio. Like I can't not do it different this time. First guest, baby. I love that. You popped my cherry. Yes, I love that. I love that.

First guest in the new studio. I'm trying to think if I've ever popped a cherry before. I don't think that might be my first. I think I got paid one time to pop a cherry. Really? Yeah. Tell me about that. Back in a previous life. There was a guy who who... Wait, can you pop a guy's cherry? I mean,

he was a virgin. In his butt or like... I mean... With cherry. I mean, hypothetically speaking, he was a virgin and... Oh yeah, I've had texts of a virgin. Yeah. So you've popped cherries then. I popped cherries. I didn't think of it as a pop cherry, but yeah. So you go into this TV show, and of course, you've been very vocal about how Diddy treated you guys and what has happened with you guys and stuff like that. But through all these interviews that I have watched with you, there's a side of you that still protects him a little bit.

Have you ever realized that? Oh, god, girl, I, I'm deeply in this no interview I've done, I can even discuss how deeply in this world I'm in right now. Um, I mean, he's in some shit. These, these, uh, yeah, but I mean, I know, I know, I know way more than anyone realizes and I can't talk about anything right now. And so I am like busting at the fucking seams and I'm wanting to tell everybody every day what occurs.

There are things that are developing that will allow eventually a voice to be had and I will have my motherfucking voice had. I just can't do it right now. And that's very hard for me because I'm very much in the stage of I don't care about playing any industry games. OnlyFans has given me the freedom to say no to doing anything. I don't have to take a show. I don't have to get a show. I don't have to sell Hollywood anymore.

Fuck them. I've always felt that way, but I've had to smile and tap dance for them for most of the time. I fucking hated most of my managers and agents. Most of them workhorse you and then put you down when the work isn't coming in, tell you that you're overexposed and to go sit back for a while. And for people that are used to, you were workhorsing me last year.

You enjoyed all the paychecks I brought you. So you see how disposable you are. Doesn't play well into- You're only as good as your last performance. All of it. Diddy taught us. I remember when we first went platinum, he brought our platinum plaques out at Madison Square Garden. We were on Christina Aguilera's tour.

And the next day we walk in the studio and all of us were like beaming and we were like holy shit. I mean even the first time we heard our song on the radio was like a huge moment for us. And we walked in and met Diddy with, what the fuck are you bitches smiling about? We cut platinum albums at Madison Square Garden last night, like, holy shit. And he'd be like, yeah, that was yesterday. What the fuck have you done today? And I realized what you just said was the mentality.

You're only as good as what you did today. Yesterday doesn't matter. The whole fucking career I've built right now at this moment in entertainment, I used to build chips of my career as if one day I'm gonna get to the top of this mountain and look down and be like, wow, I have been on, starred on Broadway,

I have two double platinum albums and many more that I've written, produced. I know how to shoot music videos, then I taught myself how to be an editor and use all of the, I mean, I can go on After Effects. I mean, I did all of our music videos in Dumb Blonde, edited all of them, shot all of them, got a USC kid to get me a red camera,

went on YouTube for two days and learned every trick you can do with no money, and then did it to make it look like you have a million dollar budget. And I've had been on hinge dates with people that are like the heads at Sony and Paramount and they're like, this looks was like what a million dollar budget. And I'm like, try 500 and we literally took the projector back to Walmart. All these black walls, green wall, white wall, that was my house. We painted them and then got in front of it. Like we do. Well, you're a hustler, you make shit happen.

Yeah. You don't wait around for stuff to come to you. You go and get it. No, and I love the creation part. But with all of that being said, I look, I come back from Bali now, none of that matters. Reputation doesn't even matter anymore. I didn't do so many things in my career

because of reputation's sake. Even the Donald Trump Jr. stuff, when that came out, I mean, I remember my entire team that was with me being like, this is devastating for you. You won't work again. You took somebody's husband is how they presented it in the press.

And all I had done for years was fight with Michael Cohen to keep it out of the press and to never have anyone see it. It was not expected. So when it all dropped, it was so overwhelming. And now it's like cool to fucking take somebody's husband. Yeah, it's crazy. You could get millions. The shit that gets you,

yeah, the shit that gets your attention. Let's circle back to the- It's horrible. Let's circle back to the Diddy thing because there's a lot of people who might be listening who maybe if they live under a rug, don't know who you are. And so you're-

Even Diddy, don't know who Diddy is. I walk into my OnlyFans company and they're like, who's Diddy? I'm like, really? Yeah, no, it's crazy. God, I am old as fuck. I've always wanted to ask you this question. Do you think Diddy had something to do with Tupac's death?

I think you'll find out soon. I mean, we're already finding out, right? Keefe D came forward and said what he said. He was in the car during the shooting that murdered Tupac. So he probably could tell you even better than I can. They arrested him. He said what it was. He just had a whole breakout in the middle of court, like last week telling everybody that Diddy paid him

a million dollars to get rid of Pac. Is what he's saying. I feel that Diddy got rid of Pac and Biggie. And maybe others as well. Yeah. And does it scare you, you know, now that you are speaking out so openly and people are actually seeing that.

Mind you, I'm not being open at all because they can't, but I appreciate you saying that. No, no, no, but now that you're speaking out as much as you can and you're like trying to open up the, what you were the forerunner of really kind of exposing Diddy. You've always done it very tastefully and tactfully though. I had to bitch. He could run. He was. That was my next question.

Like does that scare you that you could possibly end up on one of these missing person lists because of Diddy? You know, I've, I was asked that on a podcast and everyone was like, oh God, fuck this girl, tell us what you know or fuck off. Like this mentality of like, we want it now. And like, God forbid, like I should just go on a podcast and tell the whole world what I know right now and what's happening behind the scenes

versus I don't know, like somebody who could do something about it and create justice, which is what anyone that's got a story should be doing right now. Absolutely. So it's like, it's puzzling to me when people like come at me so hard. But, um, I mean, fuck every what everybody thinks. This is your life. Nobody has to live in your shoes. No, we just have to deal with the annoyances of people's fucking opinions bothering our days. Sometimes.

Yeah, no, I get it. Trust me. I mean, everyone always acts like, oh, I don't care what people say. Listen, we are forced to see it now, whether we like it or not. We are likely going to see one of the Kardashians per day on our Instagram. If we go on it, you are going to see a Kardashian every day for the rest of your motherfucking life. Unfortunately, we all are because they pop up on the Instagram on everyone's phone daily.

Do you still have a relationship with Kim because you guys used to be friends, right? Yeah, best friends. No. What happened there? Cause you got, how do you go from being best friends with somebody to not? That's a hard one for me because they're more powerful and can make things happen more than diddy.

So I don't know that I should get into all of that. But today I have you guys's and my favorite holistic nurse practitioner, Ms. Dani Williamson in the house, baby. So glad to be here. So excited, long overdue. Dude, last episode we had went bonkers. Everybody is obsessed with you.

Really? Oh yeah, they love you. They love you. They love your hair. They love your aura. They love your spirit. They love it all. Like we, you are probably one of the most requested

comeback guests that I have. I had no idea. Well, thank you. Well, you know, I'm a common sense, practical medicine country kid, right? Yeah. From Gilbert's field, Kentucky, who just happens to have done pretty well. Yeah. You know, I'm so proud of you. It's common sense, right? Yeah. A lot of it is. Yes. I'm so proud of you. Um, for those of you who want to know Danny's entire story, we did that the last time she was on the podcast. So you can go check out that episode. This episode is gonna,

we're going to really like dive into some things like a lot of you guys on my Patreon asked questions. I have questions for Danny. There's things Danny wants to talk about. So we're going to talk about a lot of it and Danny, you brought your book with you. Let's plug that really quick too. Wild and well. It's a great book. It is, isn't it? It's common sense practical medicine. I wrote it so that everyone from a country kid to a Harvard educated person could read it and say,

whoa, whoa, if I was born healthy, I don't have to live sick and I can turn this around. And I am living proof after turning around 24 years of chronic lifestyle diseases that you can turn anything around. Yeah. Right? It's very simple, but it's not easy.

You gotta- As you know. Yeah, you have to really want, like I feel like a lot of people are like, I just wanna feel better, I wanna get better. But then when they're given the protocols, people don't want to put the work in. It's almost like they want their health to magically heal on their own without doing the work.

That's exactly right. But because by nature, you know, we are pretty, we want things the easy way. Well, this is not easy. It's not easy. It's real simple though. Garbage in equals garbage out, right? For me, you have to heal the gut.

You have to eat well, sleep well, move well, poop well, de-stress well. You need to commun the gut. You have to eat well, sleep well, move well, poop well, de-stress well. You need to commune well. But for me, after seeing doctors for 24 years, I also had to address the childhood trauma. And most of my patients do. And actually, my patient's healing has gone through the roof. Once I learned about childhood trauma, well, you and I've talked about this for hours and when the body definitely keeps score and for me it manifested itself in the gut. Many of my patients though, it manifests itself in the thyroid because this is your fifth chakra here.

This is your voice. And many of these women, mainly I see women, many of these women who had childhood trauma, they lose their voice or they feel like they don't have a voice. So they have thyroid issues, thyroid cancer, thyroid nodules, Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And this is your voice. And once we get their voice back and we get their thyroid working better and we address the trauma, it's amazing to watch these patients lives just blossom. Mimi was actually just diagnosed with Hashimoto's. Mimi? Really? Where's the microphone? That's my focus. That's what I do. Where's your

microphone, Mimi? Yeah, it's the number Hashimoto's thyroiditis is the number one undiagnosed autoimmune disease in the United States because it is an autoimmune disease, right? It's an autoimmune disease of the thyroid. And I don't have Hashimoto's. My trauma, my childhood trauma manifested itself in irritable bowel syndrome. I think that's my problem, which we'll talk about, but I definitely want to get into the Hashimoto's thing.

Yes. Mimi, if you have any questions for her, but I do know that like online, a lot of people are being diagnosed with this and I never even knew about it. So I want you to kind of dive in about Hashimoto's, but also about the link from childhood trauma into autoimmune disease. Can we start there? Yeah, absolutely.

So we know that there's a huge link between childhood trauma and autoimmune disease. And I think I don't remember the statistics off the top of my head on autoimmune disease with it. But if you have a childhood, an ACE, an adverse childhood experience score of four or more, you have a 1200% more greater likelihood of dying by suicide. What test is this? That's the ACE questionnaire, the Adverse Childhood Experience Questionnaire, the 10 question test that we did on the very

first visit with you. And it talks about trauma, talks about physical abuse, mental abuse, abandonment. It's 10 questions, not perfect, developed by the CDC and Kaiser Permanente out in California and addressing what happens to you before the first 18 years, right? So we know that what happens to you before the first 18 years of life can set you up for a lifetime of chronic disease and autoimmune disease and drug addiction. And you set a score of how much or higher?

Four or higher set you up for 1200% higher rate of suicide, 390% higher rate of pulmonary lung disease, 200 to 400% higher rate of drug use. It's greater than six, which I'm a six. You have a decreased lifespan by 20 years. And the list goes on and on and on. And it's not a perfect test. And it's in the book, like I have it in the book, but you can also get it online for free.

It's a good starting point for your childhood because I spent 24 years seeing doctors. I know you've spent years seeing doctors. No one ever asked me, Danny, what happened to you before the age of 18? It's not normal to poop your pants every time you eat almost. To have to know where the bathroom is

at every restaurant that you go to. That's not normal. Something's going on. And again, I grew up with a child molester for a stepfather, one that beat me up. My mother was mentally ill. My grandfather died by suicide. That's not uncommon.

I mean, we know that 67 to 75% of the population have this kind of childhood trauma. Yeah. I mean, I feel like everybody has some sort of childhood trauma. Even if you had the quote unquote perfect childhood. It's very rare that I get someone come in the office and they say, Oh yeah, my childhood was phenomenal. Danny, I'm just here. Just check my labs.

I feel great or whatever. I mean, very rare. Do I have someone who said, yeah, I had the Mayberry childhood. Very rare. So childhood trauma manifests into autoimmune disorder, well manifests into tons of things in your body. I, everybody on the podcast knows, have a problem with pooping. I cannot poop to save my life. So you went the opposite way, right?

You didn't open up like I did, like chronic diarrhea. You clamped down constipation. My butthole puckered. Your butthole puckered because you never knew. I love that. I'm sure my nurse practitioner school is like, oh my lord, Danny, this is not medical, but your butthole puckered, whereas mine opened up, right? I mean, and because you never knew when the trauma was going to happen, right? And you hold on, you hold on to that. And it's fascinating. And I went to OnSight, you know, I went to OnSight for a week and spent a week at OnSight

doing intense trauma therapy. And that took my healing to a whole nother level. But again, everyone manifest their trauma into something different. But the thyroid is a huge one for women, huge for women. And that is Hashimoto's, right? Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And women have autoimmune disease

eight to 10 times more than men do. Eight to 10 times. That's crazy. Now we are also the most toxic, right? The lotion, the makeup, the hair color, the tampons. Tampons are a huge problem for women. And... We've been screaming this and now it's finally viral on TikTok The tampons, tampons are a huge problem for women. And, and, um, um,

we've been screaming this and now it's finally viral on to talk that they have lead in the tampons. Yes. With the lead in it and heavy metals in it. And we've been talking about this for years. You and I have, and, and I didn't know that I put Roundup in bleach in my vagina for 35 years. I had no idea. I have a great education. I wear diapers now. I wear diapers now. I have a great education. I wear diapers now. I wear diapers now. I have another patient who wears diapers as well.

I love it. I will fucking diaper it up no matter fucking how heavy I am. You can wear, like, you know how the pad, you used to go through pads and I would go through, cause I'm heavy, I would go through multiple, multiple pads. Diapers, I literally go through like maybe three

my entire period. Are you serious? Yes. Well, I never got an opportunity to try the diaper situation. And I also never got an opportunity to use a menstrual cup. No, those always freaked me out because anything that goes inside of me hurts me.

So I've never was brave enough to do it. Tampons even hurt me. Really? Yeah. Well tampons even hurt me. Really? Yeah. Well tampons I can see why, because again, we know cotton's one of the most toxic crops in the United States. It has more glyphosate sprayed on it

than pretty much any other crop. And then they take that roundup ready cotton you're getting ready to put in your vagina for decade after decade, and they bleach it with Clorox bleach. Clorox bleach and Roundup in your vagina. And you wonder why you have heavy periods and cramping and clotting and PCOS and endometriosis

and just can't get out of the bed. So a cup, a menstrual cup, my patients swear by menstrual cup. I never got to use it. I don't know, I think it takes a minute to get it right. But again, autoimmune disease in women is a, it's a toxic burden. And I tell women this, I wasn't born with lupus,

which I have, I wasn't born with fibromyalgia. Say you had MS or you weren't born with MS or you weren't born with rheumatoid arthritis. We turn that on, turn that on. And that through decades of dysfunction, most people do. Now there's genetic component to it, right? But as a rule, it's allostatic load. And just like with Mimi,

I don't know the reason for the Hashimoto's, but there's probably decades of stress and maybe bad food, I don't know, perfume, makeup, all the things you put in your thyroid, look what you do for a living, right? We're breathing in this nose, or through the nose, here's the things you put in your thyroid. Look what you do for a living, right? We're breathing in this nose, or through the nose. Here's the nose, here's the thyroid. There's a proximity issue to these chemicals as well.

And so it's like the straw that broke the camel's back. It just builds up, it builds up. It's, I tell patients, it's not the one time you drive through Chick-fil-A and eat a chicken sandwich, right? It's the decades of driving through fast food or, you know, chronic stress. And then it builds up and boom, it tips over and it's like herding cats trying to get them all back in, trying to get it all back together.

And it's difficult. I know. I spent 24 years seeing doctors, 10 doctors, before a doctor looked at me and said, what are you eating? Is there a way to reverse Hashimoto's? Cause I've been studying for Mimi to try to figure out like something we could do, but I wanted to wait till- Girl, this is my specialty.

What was the first thing I told you? Yeah, she goes, you're going to see Danny. Like, it's happening. Yeah, like as soon as she goes- So we reverse it every month in the office. And I get patients who come in, who they're endocrinologists, tell them, oh, there's nothing you can do about it.

We don't ever need to check your thyroid antibodies again. You're never gonna be able to lower those antibodies. So what happens with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, you have these thyroid antibodies that quote unquote, it's attacking the thyroid, right? Like with thyroid antibodies that quote unquote, it's attacking the thyroid, right? Like with me with lupus, it attacks my joints. But it's really not attacking it, but it's an inflammatory response.

Hashimoto's thyroiditis, vasculitis, thyroiditis, gastritis, colitis, itis means inflammation. So it's an inflammatory response where the thyroid is inflamed, right? Not the prostate, not the joints, it's the thyroid that's inflamed. So you cool it down, just like you do any other autoimmune disease, right? And yes, you can reverse it.

Yes, you can bring those antibodies down. What's the number one trigger for Hashimoto's food wise? Number one trigger for Hashimoto's to raise those antibodies up. Gut health? Well, gluten. Gluten. Number one food. Yes. Well, your gut health, yes. Gluten is the number one inflammatory agent for Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I feel like gluten cross reacts with those thyroid antibodies creating an inflammatory response in that thyroid So the first thing that you do as a patient of mine in any book you read on Hashimoto's you cut gluten out immediately

And your doctors just say there's no research on that. That's bullshit. There are decades of research Mimi on gluten and thyroid and dairy and thyroid. Gluten and dairy. I asked my patients to go gluten and dairy free to start bringing down the inflammatory response in the thyroid. And we watched those thyroglobulin antibodies come down and those thyroid peroxidase antibodies come down.

So your people who are listening, if they're just getting a TSH checked, a thyroid stimulatingSH checked, a thyroid stimulating hormone checked, they need a new provider because that's only like one-fifth of the labs that you need checked to check your thyroid properly. TSH, free T3, free T4, which we check on you all the time, right? Those are your free thyroid hormones that are circulating around there active. And then your thyroid peroxidase antibodies

and your thyroglobulin antibodies. Not everybody has both of those positive for Hashimoto's, but 90% of the people who have Hashimoto's have a positive thyroid peroxidase antibody. That segues into my next thing about, what is it called, tri-zepatide? I'm thinking about doing tri-zepatide because I wanna lose a couple pounds,

but I also want to regulate my blood sugar. How do you feel about semi-glutide, tri-zepatide and all that stuff? On the spot. All right. I think there's a place for it. Absolutely there's a place for it. And it has changed many of my patients lives. Yeah, I'm not prescribing it. I'm doing a tiny bit through a compounding pharmacy here for a few people that's sublingual. So it's under the tongue. It's not an

injection. I want to micro dose it. I don't want to do well, it's micro dosing. So I just barely started it. And it's been several years,. Well, it's microdosing it. So I just barely started it. And it's been several years, right, that this has been popular. Because I really feel like you need to know exactly what you're doing. I didn't have time. Honestly, my mom is dying and all. But no, my gynecologist, I went in there the other day to see her. She looks unbelievable. And she told me, she said, we're doing Tra-Jet-Trip. Trazepatitis.

Trazepatitis, Danny. And she said, we're doing traj-traj-trajep. Trazepatitis. Trazepatitis. Just, um, trazepatitis, Danny. And she said, I would highly recommend you get into it. And I said, okay. So she was telling me that, you know, all the benefits and how her patients, not everyone, not everyone's a candidate for it. Right. But the blood sugar regulation benefits of that.

Now, do we have long-term studies on all of this to see? No, we don't. No, and that's what scares me because I've been doing a ton of research. Which is why I haven't done it yet with patients. I know, I'm waiting for you to hop on the horn. I know, I know, but then I, yes, yes, but I think that that's a really great one.

I mean, I've got patients on, I mean, they're on everything from Metformin to Wigovie to the one that right now that- I've read so many bad things about metformin and the side effects. I was on it for a long time. I mean, not even, you know what, I take that back. It wasn't long, long because I couldn't handle it.

I literally had to come to my doctor and said, you're killing me. Diarrhea, was it diarrhea? I mean, everything. It was coming out of every hole. I literally had to come to my doctor and said, You're killing me. Diarrhea? Was it diarrhea? I mean, everything. Yeah. It was coming out of every hole. I was like literally becoming, I was becoming like to the point that like I made myself sick because I couldn't even drink a glass of water without it

just coming somewhere. Oh, gosh. So they were like, Okay, well, we'll try you on the slow release. Okay, now take it at this time. Now try this. We'll put you on the lowest. I was on the lowest dose on the like slow release of it. It still could not keep anything within my body.

Then it's not your thing. Exactly. And so I hadn't been on anything until recently. I did go on tri-zepatide and I can handle it. I can fully handle it. I hear great things about tri-zepatide. I do. Do you know the difference between what's the difference between semi

glutide, ozempic and tries appetite. Isn't it all the same thing? I was I'm pick. Okay. Jaro is trace up a type hormone receptors. It's what it's blocking. So that's why they're using tries appetite for addicts because it blocks two hormone receptors versus the semiglutide only stops one of them.

So like people who are addicted to, they put them on the suboxone a lot of the times, instead of suboxone they're trying to try the suboxone because it does, and I will be honest, I was on the semiglutide to begin with, I could still feel some of my food noise, tri-semitide, zero. Yeah, I have a patient who went out to LA

and is on, in Mongero, same thing. And she said it completely took away the food noise in her. And I didn't think she needed to lose any weight anyway. She looks fantastic. And she said, she'll start weaning off of it now. But here's where I'm still skeptical on so much of this is you have to change the root cause to whatever's going on with you once we stop this, right?

Or where your portion size is too big, where you eating too many carbs, right? Where you not eating enough protein, where you not exercising, what's your stress level through the roof, right? Are you not eating enough protein? Were you not exercising? Was your stress level through the roof? Are you not sleeping at night? I mean, I think sleeping is almost equally as important as your diet.

Are you eating real food? Are you still driving through fast food and you're getting your food out of somebody's window? Well, that's not real food. So we have to change all the emotional things that go on around food once we stop this. Once you stop your GLP-1, whatever it is you're taking. And I don't know that everyone's doing that.

So I'm worried about people losing a tremendous amount of weight, which you don't have a tremendous amount of weight to lose. You don't have a tremendous amount of weight to lose. But then gaining more weight back because you didn't fix the root cause. Well, I do all of those things. But my thing is, is I want to lose about five to 10 pounds, but I also want to, I feel like I've hit a plateau. I'm sitting at in between one 55 and one 60 and I've been here since January,

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Cause I like to have authentic reactions for everything. Ask anybody on my team, ask anybody who comes over as a guest, don't talk to me, don't tell me anything until these mics are on. And so they were like bringing up fucking funny points. And anyways, it's the day after Thanksgiving and I'm working. I'm so thrilled to be here as long as I'm sure you guys

can tell and hear it in my voice that I got a lot of sleep last night. You screamed and shook your ass all Thanksgiving bro. You did a lot of karaoke. I'm actually proud. I didn't do a lot of karaoke. I joined in but I from afar. That's what I'm saying dude. Every time I turned around you were shaking it. I mean I was having fun. You were doing your shuffle off on the side. I was having fun man. Thanksgiving doing your shuffle off on the side. I was having fun, man. Thanksgiving is our time to let loose. Yes, it was a good one.

We did another annual D forward Thanksgiving last night and the house was full. We had probably like what? How many D people do you think were there? Oh, gosh. Like, I feel like it comes in like waves. So like throughout the night, I would say like 50 to 60 people. At one point it got real full.

Yeah, at one point you couldn't even move around, but then like people come and go, like you kind of have like the elders in the beginning, and like the day kind of, the night progresses. Then the party starts. No. When Dolph came out, it was like. Yeah.

Yeah. When, yeah, as soon as the rap started, Bailey broke out the rap way early. She did the Kendrick Lamar. Yeah. I was like, that's my girl. You know, I was like, go baby, go. She was killing it.

No, she was really good. She's baby roll. She's little baby roll. She can wrap her ass off. Yes, absolutely. The gorilla was my favorite. Yeah, she can wrap. But yeah, I know I love doing

the DeFord family Thanksgiving because it's really been a tradition that we started and Bailey looks forward to it every year. There's so many times she came up to me last night and she was like, mom, I love Thanksgiving here. Like she went to Thanksgiving at our other family's houses and she was texting me, I can't wait to come and do our Thanksgiving. You know, so I, I even told Jay because you know, Jay had to perform at the Dallas Cowboys

game. So we had to push at the Dallas Cowboys game. So we had to push it back this year and we were contemplating not doing it. And I just looked at him and I was like, baby, I love you. You gotta go do your thug fizzle. But Thanksgiving is so important to Bailey. And I want to make sure that we, you know, keep this tradition going just for her. Cause I mean, we've only got her for like what?

One more Thanksgiving and then she's gonna be in fucking college. Oh my God, don've only got her for like what one more Thanksgiving and then she's going to be in fucking college. Oh my god, don't make me cry. It's crazy. You guys are like the Heidi Klum of Thanksgiving. Yeah, I love it without the red carpet. Yeah, it's like an honor to be invited to this Thanksgiving. Yeah, it gets bigger each year.

Yeah, people wise too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The names just keep getting crazier and crazy. Yeah, I love it. But you know, it's so fun is nobody took out their phone last night to do a tick tock. Not one person tried to like, take advantage of the moment. Nobody's self eat it up. Like everybody just had fun. I still haven't even posted about Thanksgiving. So unlike

us, you know, like, I don't know, I just think we just are starting in the moment last night. We did live in the moment. And I think what's happening also is that we're starting to cherish our private moments because, you know, we don't get a lot of them because we share so much of ourselves with everybody that it's like when we do get those private moments, it's just like, oh, this is this is beautiful. This is what family and friends is all about.

So, yeah, oh, this is this is beautiful. This is what family and friends is all about. So yeah, most definitely. There there are like a few videos out there, but like the night was like so consistent of us just laughing. Yeah. And I really forgot to record a lot because I was just so in it. Well, you started drinking tequila jello shots at fucking 4 p.m. Yeah, I had to. You made she made the cutest pumpkin pie. Jello shot.

She goes, it's like pumpkin pie, but with tequila. Oh, wait, hold on. Hold on, I got something for you. Hold on. Oh, I know what's about to be pulled up. You don't know what's about to be pulled up. You don't. Yes, I do.

Okay. Are you willing to be- The video at losers? No. Are you willing to make a wager on it? I don't feel like she is now. How much you wanna bet real quick The video at losers? No, are you willing to make a wager on it? I don't feel like she is now. How much you wanna bet real quick

since you know what I'm about to pull up? $50. Let's bet one month salary. Okay, no. All right, ready? How many pumpkin pies? Pumpkin pies with tequila. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to pull up the other video.

Oh, we could buy me. We could talk about it. Let's talk about it. So Bridgestone was Poppy Bear's last show and it was phenomenal. There was Snoop Dogg, Post Malone, Morgan Wallen, Ernest, Kelsey Bellarini was there. Who? Bring it home, John B. I love them. I love them.

I think Kelsey Bellarini and her dude Chase are so freaking cute. Like they are genuinely in love. Like genuinely. They can't take their eyes off of each other. He's obsessed with her. I love it. It is the cutest thing I've ever seen. And every time he even moves around the room,

her eyes follow him. And I, it's like, I get kind of like sad because I remember how that's how Jay and I used to be. You know, Jay and I have been together almost a decade. So, you know, the honeymoon's been over, but it's like, you can see that they're still in their honeymoon stage. And it's just like the cutest thing ever.

So I really, I really love them together. And they're two of the just most wholesome people. Yeah, most definitely. Skylar Grey was there too. Skylar Grey, like she sounded so good. Sounded so good. What a phenomenal woman though. Like she's so powerful and just her presence

and she's so sweet. And her dude, her dude too, cool. Just like everybody is just. Fucking Keith Urban was there. Yeah. Oh, him and his fricking highlights, just glowing in the fricking lights on the stage. His hair is like just waves of gold spun thread.

It's just like they just literally, it's like, you know, he looks like he has that Christmas tinsel in his hair. Yeah. Those highlights his hair. Yeah. Those highlights we highlighting. Yeah. Yeah. No, we love fucking Keith. I love him.

The boys. It was really funny because I got this on video. They wouldn't leave his side. So Jack and Casey were just like right there shredding next to him. They wouldn't leave. The entire song. The boys stayed right next to Keith. Like normally they walk around the stage and they show off,

but literally they were just like looking over at Keith. And it was the cutest thing because the boys don't ever really fan. No, they don't fan boy out. But as soon as Keith Urban hit that stage, they were, they just wanted to pick guitars with Keith Urban. Can we talk about Cody? How did I miss that? Let's just talk about the dog father

was in the house, baby. Yeah. I literally have never been nervous to meet another celebrity in my life, besides Dolly and I freaking meet Snoop, motherfucking DOG dude, are you kidding me? All in the same week? And the sweetest thing, the sweetest man.

Like he for real is unk dude. Like. He was so genuinely nice. So his whole team, his whole team, shout out to his whole team. They're just so sweet. I was so nervous because we got, we got it on video and it's the cutest clip,

but I'm like asking Snoop Dogg. I'm like, we're taking a picture together. And I'm like, you know, if you wanted to do a TikTok, it'd be even cooler. He's like, I'm following you. I was like, oh, I was like so excited. And, but I was so nervous that I couldn't like, my mind went blank.

I'm like, what song do I do with a fucking Snoop Dogg that I know, you know? And I mean, I know all his old shit. So of course, and so his creative, I don't know if it was like his creative director, his videographer, I forget his name. It was like Sack, right? Sack, I believe was his name, came up to me

and I was going to do Lottie Dotty. And I was like, no, I need something with more. So he starts naming off songs and he's like nothing but a G thing. I was like, Oh my God, I love you. Cause I'm like, we all forget that. Yeah. Just went blank. Literally. I'm like shaking. And the sweetest thing that he did was Snoop gave Jay and I these matching rings. Um, and there are crowns like gold crowns with, I think like diamonds in it. and he gave one to Jay and he said I have one for your lady too and gave me one too so the whole night Jay wore it on stage at the Dallas Cowboy halftime show he wears it on his ring finger. So let's talk about what everybody wants to hear about the Dolly interview. The fact that we hung out with Dolly and Snoop in the same week.

Bro, bro, like, what is life? What? What is life? It is crazy. Dolly is the sweetest little cupcake that I have ever met. It was this little dirty. Yeah, no, no, she's actually got, she reminds me a lot of my personality. We both have that smart ass kind of like dirty mentality. I don't know if I can use the dirty and Dolly in the same sentence because that's not spicy.

I see spicy. She's so spicy and so cute. And she has sharp as a damn tack. Yes. That woman is almost 80 years old and she is a powerhouse. She walks in stilettos, wears the cutest little cat suits. She has the tiniest little feet I've ever seen. Her feet have got to be like a size four, size four, size five.

Like she's got the tiniest little, little just. Her little, her waist was wasting. I mean what waist? She had none. It was crazy. It's like so tight. It's like my left leg. Yeah.

It's like the size of my thigh. She's just the cutest little package wrapped in blonde hairs. Like she's just so sweet. And I was shook. I'm talking like the entire morning, I had to do box breathing and I was just so nervous. And I don't know if I was just

cause I was like inside my head, but I was just like, oh my God, you know, like this is everything I've ever wanted since I've started this podcast. And, you know, naming the podcast after Dolly, Dolly's first radio hit was, you know, it was an oxymoron all in itself. And it just was a perfect, you know, storm.

And this was such a full circle moment and sitting down with her, I never read off cue cards ever, but it's like when you're so nervous, your mind goes blank. So I literally had a stack of cue cards with my whole interview on it that Mimi had made me. And in the beginning, you can sense how nervous I am. I've never seen you that nervous. Never seen you that

nervous. No, ever. Like I'm a very relaxed interviewer. You know, like I love everybody who sits on my couch, but to be in her studio. Let's talk about that too. So like Dolly is such a G you go to Dolly. Yes. And I think that is so beautiful. Yes, you literally go to her. So it was really amazing. I got to give the flowers were flowers to do because her team was so amazing. Oh, good. Everyone in it was so welcoming, accommodating. They like forced Jamie to get breakfast at They had an omelet bar.

They were like, get the omelet. You know, and so, but we went to their space and like, they really were like, what can we do to help you elevate this and make this how you want it? To portray Dunblot. They requested your Dunblot sign, which I thought was cute.

They requested your microphones. Like, I absolutely love that. But like- Dolly talked on one of those microphones. Yeah. No, it's the silver. Your OG one. Yeah, they chose your OG dumb blonde one. So no, it was so funny.

I walked in because I didn't know my microphones were going to be there. And I was like, oh my God, I love her microphone. And then I was like, oh, it's mine. Yeah, I was like, oh my God. But yeah, it was you guys are going to be pleasantly surprised. So with this podcast, you know, Dolly had, she's a workhorse like I am. And before she had done the podcast, she had already done three other things. The podcast was the last of her things of the day.

And we got allotted 45 minutes with her and her and I just started talking and like she had some of the most incredible answers. And like, you know, when Dolly speaks, you don't cut her off. So I didn't get to finish the entire interview, but Dolly had so much fun that they're bringing me back for a part two in February. So twenty twenty five to sit down and finish the interview with her and just hopefully this can unfold into something else. She even said she wanted to do a Christmas song with me.

I don't know if she meant that or not. I'm just gonna put it in the air because I think that would be freaking amazing. Iconic. Yeah, iconic. But I'm just so happy that it happened. And shout out to Dani Nozell, her management, her publicist is Marcel, Ollie, all is Ollie her like day to day manager. Yeah. Yeah. I'll love Ollie. Love Ollie. Yeah. Jen Vessio for putting this all together,

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to spill all the tea? But my girl, Demps baby. What's up babes? What is happening? Man, as I was walking in here I was like, why does it seem like every fucking time I'm on this couch or anything, I'm just going through something, dude.

Going through some sort of breakup. Last time you were here, it was you and Cat Daddy who were going through it. And then I think you guys kind of like, didn't you guys reunite a little bit after the podcast? Yeah, after the podcast, we kind of like, we were mutuals, but then we weren't mutuals. I mean, there was like a whole thing

to where his friends try to jump me out of fucking bar. That was all over the fucking internet. Demps gets kicked out of a bar and all of that. But yeah, I think I left him blocked after that. Yeah, so you guys aren't cool. Nobody from that side is cool. You guys are just not cool. I haven't talked to him.

I hope all is well though. Hope he's taking care of that kitten I bought him. Now that you're going through another breakup, do you think that you would rekindle anything with cat daddy? No. No. And you know it's funny, cause in some of the comments,

people, my followers were like, we need cat daddy. And he commented, he was like, I've been summoned. I was like, oh, hell no motherfucker. Oh Lord. Hell no. He's like, you know who no, motherfucker. Oh, Lord. Hell no. He's like, you know who he is? You know what he is? You know those guys that go and clean up roadkill on the road? It's like, it's like he knows that you're vulnerable right now.

So he's like, hello. I'm just like, hell no. And I'm so happy I've have him blocked because, you know, the past two weeks, I've been in a very vulnerable state. And I can honestly say, I mean weeks I've been in a very vulnerable state and I can honestly say, I mean, I've never seen myself like this. I mean, I had to check myself, girl. I looked at myself in the mirror. I was like, you need to get your fucking shit together. Um,

so I knew I was in a vulnerable, vulnerable place. I probably would have felt for his shit. Oh, son of a bitch. Just like recycled girl. Do not fucking do it, Dems. We would have just like been back here in like three more weeks talking about this. No.

What about the shit with, with, we'll block her name out, but are you cool with? No, you guys are just, yeah. No, but it's so crazy because after all that happened, you know, Todd was there and all his friends were there. And after all that, the dust settled. I mean, you guys saw somebody vandalized my home, right? They put a clout chaser on the back of my home.

Yeah, we're gonna talk about all that because now you can actually talk about it, right? Yeah, now I can talk about it. Okay, perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know before when you had come on the podcast, we were tiptoeing around it

because you had a court case going on. And I won. Yeah, baby. That's fucking nuts. Because light always wins over darkness, man. And I won. Yeah, baby. Fucking nuts. Light always wins over darkness, man. Oh my god. God, bunny. It's been a minute since I've done like, I mean, obviously I text you and everything. Yeah, like really get

it out. Yeah. Yeah. So after the whole my how I'm getting vandalized in all of that, I just took a step back and I didn't reach out to anybody. But it's so funny because I saw some of them singing my songs and I ignored it. I thought they were like kind of being petty about it, but they were like, no, this is actually a great song, bitch on wine and all of that. I was like, y'all are just, see,

I'm a good fucking Tom and a good person if you guys weren't such fucking dicks to me, okay? Well, I also think that, I don't wanna use the word jealousy, but sometimes when there's men involved too, it just makes a whole fucking, you know, one of them had the audacity to show up to one of my husband's shows.

I was actually quite, remember I texted her, I was like, you want me to kick her out? Cause I will. And you're so sweet. You were like, no. And I was like, all right, she lives to see another day. I was like, no. But you know who you are,

showing up at my husband's fucking concert was very ballsy of you, especially knowing that I ride for Demps all day long. My girl. But other than that whole thing, I just, it was like New Year's of last year, I literally started to just kind of heal a little bit. But then for some reason, some fucking reason, I run into somebody who's friends with my ex.

And I, mind you, I have him blocked, but I started snap-trying him. Which ex is this? Most current one, okay. I don't wanna like give him so much clout or whatever. Okay, well, hey, let's change his name. What are we gonna call him? Let's call him Bill.

Bill. The dated Bill. All right, not Bill? Okay, let's change his name. What are we going to call him? Let's call him Bill. Bill. Dated Bill. All right. Not Bill. Okay. Let's think of something else. Yeah. We don't want to call it because my dad's name is Bill. Let's call him Ron. Ron. I love it. Fucking Ron. So was this Ron we're talking about? Yeah. So right after cat daddy and all that New Year's is around. And I was like, man, I don't, I just need to keep doing me and just keep pushing forward because you know, Todd, I mean, that fucker, like yeah, he broke my heart, but screw him. Okay. Did he really break your heart though?

No, he actually did. Okay, I'm like, Jess, come on. I'm like, I know you way better than that. Long story short, obviously I love attention. Yeah. I mean, I'm a Leo. You're a Leo. Yeah, I'm a Leo. You know, we're gonna do your birth chart today

cause I need to figure out what the fuck's wrong with you. Yeah, I know. We're getting to the bottom of it today, everybody. I need to figure out what the fuck is going on with Demps inside her fucking body and mind and heart. And then we're gonna figure out who will be, we're gonna figure out who will be a soulmate for you once I get all your deets, so we'll figure it out.

Well good, maybe I can get some fucking answers and some sleep tonight, girl. We're gonna manifest, we're manifesting. So long story short, Bill, Ron. Nope, Ron. Ron, Ron and I rekindled things and it was very simple in the beginning, it was just like, hey.

So you started Snapchatting him, okay. And like what made you even want to reopen that door? Because if I can remember correctly, and this is why I never came around because I didn't like the dude, is didn't he do some fuckboy shit the first time around? What did he do? And you know what's crazy?

I always kept my mouth shut. I never aired my laundry. I'd let you talk your shit on. I let you just take in all the energy that you want to and then I'm just gonna go over here and do my thing. I'm not one to, even with Todd, I was like, fuck you, dude. Yeah, so he was just in a fuck boy stage and I'm the type of person,

I think that somebody's gonna change. You know what I mean? Or that you can change them. Or I can change them. I said this recently, I was like, I don't know what it is when I date these men that they just need love so bad. And I have so much love to give because I'm a mom myself

and I want to be loved. You know what I mean? But why is it every time I date someone, I'm the masculine one in the relationship? Because you're in your masculine energy, baby. And your masculine energy attracts feminine men. Oh my God. And until you change that, you're going to keep attracting feminine men. But Bunny, it's literally a recurrence.

And I had a wake up call. I literally when I was two weeks ago, I was like, bitch, you need to pull yourself fucking together. I was like, what is it that I'm attracting these men? Because I know what I want and I know what my daughter deserves and I know what I deserve. And it's a shame because, you know, if anything, I know I'm being played as a victim and I know he's saying some things

that like, oh, Demps just loves to be a victim. If I'm a victim of anything, it's for me to just over communicating because I set this guy down in my kitchen. Well, let's circle back to when you guys first broke up. Why did you guys first break up? What did he do? Who's a fuck boy?

Well, let's be honest, what did he do? He just wasn't giving me the attention that I needed. And I remember being at a show. I remember being at a show with him, mind you, I went and got a babysitter, got all dolled up. This is the first time you guys broke up. First time. Okay.

It takes a lot for me to- Dem, silence your damn phone. I'm trying, but thing. It takes a lot for me to go out of my way and go on a date with a guy. Okay, let me just start there. Okay, I'm finding the babysitter. It's my time, my energy to go out of my way and go on a date with a guy. Let me just start there. I'm finding the babysitter. It's my time, my energy to go out with you.

I remember going out with this guy that night. He didn't acknowledge me once and talk to a girl the whole time that I was out with him. And I was like, you know what? I don't fucking need this. I'm just gonna go the fuck home. And I remember him calling me at 3 a.m. or 2 a.m. or the fuck home. And I remember him calling me at 3am or 2am or something like that. And I remember being so excited. Oh my god, he called me. What does he

want? Like he wants to talk to me. Oh, he's missing me. No, girl, he there was somebody that wanted to talk to me that he was with because he was dating Demps, whatever. And I was just- So he let you go home. So that right there didn't show you that he was in it for clout. No, girl. How did that? I would have been like, click, and never answered the fucking phone

for that man ever again, girl. I think I am so gullible that I'll just believe, like if you say I'm beautiful and all this, I'm gonna fucking believe you. I'm gonna fall at my knees and be like, oh my gosh. But that is a major ick.

The man let you leave, you went home because you felt like you were being ignored and then he calls you and is like, hey, can you talk to this person? Because I'm telling them that I'm dating you, but I'm not treating you like I'm dating you. That's like a fucking ew. So I blocked him for two years.

Brother, ew. And then I unblocked him after the whole Todd thing. Because you were in a vulnerable state. But can I be honest with you, Bunny? I think the reason why I was so upset with myself is because I never gave Grace, after the Todd, how he treated me in this with him, Ron. So I was just so mad at myself, all this anger.

And I'm like, I'm a fucking great person. Ron, when you say I thought you can you silence this shit, Ron? I crack up when I hear that. So I'm a great fucking person. So it's just like, why the fuck does this keep fucking happening to me? Yeah. I don't get it.

Seriously, do you see the between the lines? Can you tell me? Yeah, because Dems, you have something that is some sort of trauma in you that needs to be addressed before you can even get into the type of relationship that you yearn for. Yes, your heart and your mind

want a certain type of relationship, but because there's something that happened maybe in your childhood or in a relationship that triggered some sort of trauma in you, you're going to keep seeking out that same type of man until you can figure out what's going on inside of you, you know? Yeah.

That's what I tried to tell you last time. I just, it was a shame that things ended the way it did. And I'm not gonna sit here on your podcast and bash someone because- So let's get into your guys' relationship. You guys, you guys will circle back around. You guys start dating again. How does that even happen?

You start Snapchatting and then you guys just see each other and you're like, we decided we wanna be together because didn't he start dating somebody too That like worked at a bar the first time too. Yeah, I remember girl. Yeah And she was online. I forget now Cuz I don't I don't forget people who are rude to my friends Yeah, you know like that like people can be rude to me all day But if you're fucking rude to my friends, I'm gonna remember that yeah

I just immediately saw and I think that girl has me blocked and it's like, bitch, I don't even know you. Like, remember I think I went to go like a lurk one day and fuck it. I was like, how am I blocked? I didn't even know who you were until today. Yeah. There was a time they were running with all that crew with my ex, which I don't care. Bitches block me please. Cause the only thing you're going to see is success and thriving over here. So I think after we started hanging out the second time around He started coming over Again, mind you I was paying for babysitters to go out on dates with him mind you

You know taking a time away from my daughter because I want to just spend time with him you know what I mean and I we just grew to like each other's company, if I might say, and we grew like fond of each other. And I remember like, wow, I think he really changed and I really love this man. I mean, and then slowly, after like five months of us dating, I finally brought him around Lily. And that was like, it made my heart so full to see Lily. Because mind you, this is the first guy Lily's ever seen me

affectionate with. Hugging on. She didn't see you affectionate with Todd though? No. Oh, okay. Mm-mm. No. So, you know, I mean, laying on the couch, you know,

kissing and loving on. So Lily sees that and she knows like, oh, mommy loves this person and everything. laying on the couch, kissing and loving on. So Lily sees that and she knows like, oh, mommy loves this person and everything. So it was just a special moment for me to share that with my daughter and everything. And I was like, wow. Did Lily like him?

Yeah, Lily did like him. And it was really sad to her to like tell me, you know, mommy, I'm really gonna miss him, you know, he was fun and everything. But one day I think it's for the better, the things that worked out because I opened up my eyes, like I don't need someone like that in my life because of my needs.

If I'm being too much because I'm over communicating with you because hey, I need this, I need to be told that I'm this because the way I perceive love is I'm words of affirmation. I need to be told I'm doing a good job. I need to be told that, you know, hey, you look beautiful today. You know what I mean? And that comes with past trauma, with domestic violence. I mean, getting called a cunt and a bitch every day for almost fucking four years, you know,

with my, Lilly's father. So, and I expressed this to him, and I think it just became too much. So you guys were, you guys got back together for how long? Sorry, can we pause real quick? Someone's opening the garage. Hold on, sorry, Dems. No, you're fine.

I'm not gonna get emotional on this. I'm not trying to give him anything. Uh-uh. You can get emotional about that. It's okay if you can't, if you do get emotional though. You're going through a fucking breakup. You're human. But he's on fucking TikTok saying Demps likes to play the victim. Like you motherfucking narcissist.

How dare you sit there two weeks ago and tell me you love me back home in Indiana for you to leave me on red for days and you break up with me over text? That's really fucked up. No. It is. Bunny, when I say I, it was bad, bitch. It was really bad. I was over at Priscilla's house. I had no makeup on. She called me, she was like, just come over for coffee. And I remember just in Priscilla's kitchen, I was like, I don't know what's wrong with me.

This one fucking hurt. And I know, fuck Todd, I wasn't even upset with Todd, but this, this, I felt pain like leaving Lily's father and it fucking fucked with my head. I think it's because you really genuinely loved him though Dempsey. I think, and it's okay to love people and it's okay to be sad about it.

You don't have to be hard just because of what he's saying on the internet right now or he's trying to gaslight you, you know, and we know how guys are. And there's always three sides to every story. There's your side, his side, and the truth, you know? But the truth is, you're hurt right now, and that's okay. That doesn't give him more power because you're showing emotion.

It's you're fucking human, dude, you know? And breaking up with anybody fucking sucks. And I think that you deserved more than a text message. Yeah, for real, girl, because my daughter was involved and we were together for a year. And it would have been different if it was just like a month fling, like the first time we dated. Today, I have a triple threat.

I mean, I don't even know. I dated. Today, I have a triple threat. I mean, I don't even know. I think he might be quadruple threat, but this man needs no introduction. Mr. MGK in the house, baby. Hello, hi everybody. You've had a day. I've had, yeah, it's been a gnarly 96 hours, for sure.

I feel like you don't ever stop though. No, this was my first four day music video shoot, you were in. Yeah cool, and thank you for having us Let's talk about it. What was what was the video shoot about? um well it was Visually inspired by Beyond the Pines, I think story wise as well the first 20 minutes anyway Yeah, if you guys are going to watch, if you're going to watch beyond the pine, don't watch any more than 30 after Ryan Gosling has his moment. Don't watch it.

It is. It's quite the thrill kill. Yeah. It's like a thrill and then it's just like, what happens? And you're like, wait a minute. Like he's on every poster. It's the movie has to be about him. Yeah, that was kind of a trip. But aesthetically that, I love riding motorcycles. I think telling the story of a lower middle class struggling family and relationship is really what I grew up seeing.

So it was something that felt right to do on a song that everyone keeps telling me is a hit. So I think the glamorous approach was obvious and I kind of went the other way and kept it G like how me and Jelly's background is. You guys went back to your roots. how me and Jelly's background is. You guys went back to your roots. I think, absolutely. I think like, you know, we repped for,

you know, when you get it, when you are exploring yourself in front of all these cameras and in the industry. Sorry, guys. These are some beautiful cats, by the way. Thank guys. Maybe I shouldn't. These are some beautiful cats by the way. Thank you. Yeah, these are some awesome cats that just walked in. They're like, dad's home.

But when you're exploring yourself in front of the cameras and you're seeing success and you obviously idolize people and lifestyles and things, you kind of, you know, you're doing your own outfit changes metaphorically towards what you think would look cool with this era, what would look cool with that era. And this era for me, after all the glitz and glam of the last run that I've had, is just back to my roots, man, I went all the way to the top and I am just like,

all right, I've seen it. I'm so excited. I'm out. I am so excited to deep dive all of this with you. So, circling back to the video though, so the song is for Lonely Roads, which my husband is gonna be featuring on, and that's out right now.

Yes. Because by the time this drops, it's going to be out. So you guys need to go listen to it. Yeah. And when do you think the music video is going to drop? Is it going to drop before? I think the music video will be out by the time this is out. So you guys got to go watch it. Yeah. Cause it's going to be awesome. I feel really, I don't really know what to do with my hands. Is it cool? Yeah, of course. I would sit back, you know, this is

your house. So I'm telling you what to do on your couch. So you have talked a lot about your childhood and I just kind of want to go back in time a little bit with you on that. Can we speak on your childhood a little bit? Yeah. If I've spoken on my childhood, you know, if you're reflecting on past interviews, I don't really know how far they go back, but some of them was a very insecure, excuse me, insecure with speaking on just almost any interview I had done in which I covered myself with a egoic exoskeleton. But as far as my childhood, some of that I've spoke on in a way that I was still just very confused and very angry.

And so I do. Not stand by everything that I said about the people in my life in my childhood, because they deserve forgiveness and something different in the way that I may have. Just you know so anyway. That actually kind of made me want to tear up because anybody that's ever let me get a hold of myself here anybody that's ever dealt with childhood trauma has gone through a time in their life where they

were just so angry that they've said so many things about the people that were in their life that until you get to a breakthrough and you come I don't want to say come out of the darkness because I feel like we're always sort of gonna have one foot in but when you get to a point where you can look at them with love or forgiveness is huge And they're just big kids. Like as a parent, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing every single day of my life as a parent. You're just figuring it out constantly, but hopefully doing it with love.

Absolutely. And sometimes, like in my situation with my father, he was so tormented from some of the most insane shit that I could imagine a kid could go through that he had to figure it out, but with almost every possible bad circumstance going against him too. So it's almost like the expectations are too high

because we think that they're just, that they know everything because we grew up looking up at them, but we're all just lost in trying to figure it out. I feel like you've been fighting since you came out of the womb. I'm just looking down at my notes here, but it says, you were born with your umbilical cord wrapped around your neck, correct?

So I mean, you were already fighting the minute that you came out. When you were born, you had your mom and your dad. I don't ever really hear you talk about your mom a lot. And a lot of the stuff that I got from your childhood I didn't take from interviews, I kind of, if you listen to your music, you tell a story. You speak a lot about your life in music. And I think that anybody that is,

you know, a fan of yours or a listener of yours would know them. Yeah, I saved a lot of my interview moments for my lyrics. I think a lot of my childhood is represented in my songs. My mom and I actually have reconnected in a really intense way in the past three or four years. You know, that's how my family is, they're all from Norway, they're extremely Norwegian, so very stoic, you know, so the emotional side of things I get from my father who was very,

you know, he wore everything on his sleeve, right? So like, his depression was very obvious. His need for love was very, you know, like, I wish I could have told him before he died that I was really inspired by how emotional he was, and like how I thought that was really cool in hindsight because I am very emotional as well,

probably because everything on my chart is so Pisces, but Yeah, I was saying that on July 5th, it's the same day Hotel Diablo came out But that's also the day he died and it trips me out because on the album I said doctors said my dad won't be here a year from now and then a year to the date He died and then on that date this year. I was outside and I was Doing a ritual for him just to try and see if I could channel any If I could hear him at all But I did tell him what I what I just said sorry if I'm very long-winded

I'm pretty awkward as a human and so I don't really know if what I'm saying if anyone gives a fuck. So maybe I just move on. What's the next question? You don't have to apologize though. It's actually beautiful what you say and it's so real and I think people need to hear what you have to say because there's a lot of people who are working through, including myself, who I just lost my dad last month, and I know exactly what you're going through with a father who was absent in certain things,

and we're all dealing with childhood trauma, but your dad actually, it says that, your dad was tried at nine years old for his own father's death. Yeah. Can we talk about that? I think so. That's interesting that you.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. That has to contribute to how he was as a father to you because it seems like it was almost generational, like passed down. Yeah, every medium that I've spoke to or seer that I spoke to says there's a generational curse on all the men in my family that they will die alone.

And they've all died alone. I'm the seventh generation, which means that I should be able to break the curse. And I was born on the 22nd, which is a master number. And the numerology behind mine is a curse breaker. So I do hope in this lifetime that I master my best self and what I'm supposed to do. It's a very difficult road that I'm on right now with that.

And my father's childhood journey definitely bled into mine because we shared the same bed, the same bed for years. And that was, you know, the body, especially if you're intuitive or born intuitive, your body receives the energy from all around you. So, you know, those years that my dad slept, depressed, I took on all

that. And I just remember finding that I always used to get so mad at him when I was a kid, because if I scared him or he heard a loud boom or a loud noise, he would freak out, like gnarly freak out. And I would be like, you're supposed to be like you're supposed to be a man, dude, like, why are you acting like this? And I would we would, you know, it just made me hate him. And then you sit there and you think about a kid

who was on trial at nine years old for the murder of his father. And knowing that the police came and found the shotgun underneath the bed. And the story that was told to me was always that you know their dad dropped the gun and his head essentially blew off and so that all happened in the room with my dad at nine years old and so him and my grandmother were tried for the murder they were both acquitted. I had a very interesting talk

with him on his deathbed about that moment. Which I think I'll leave that between me and my father. You know, that led to a lot of, like, you know, he had split personality and, and, and, you know, schizophrenia runs really heavy in my, in that side of the family. So a lot of things, man, I've taken on and I think I've projected myself to be somebody who has the stamina to endure all of these things things that come with fame and criticism and hate because I fought back with all those traumas by becoming what I always wanted my dad to be, which was like tough and, you know, shake everything off and just fight anyone who

you know comes at you I I never understood why he was so closed but dude I'm tired and I'm really shy fucked up kid and internally and really broken and I'm just now fixing myself and I don't have the energy to be the image that I was because I'm also kind of sick of being on an island alone where no one is outside of my fans, you know, my fans who really can read the music and read into the music side but as far as like public persona I'm really really sick of being what they think I am so I don't really know how I got onto that from my dad's story but I don't know how you found that either that's a very like it was a very

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Wow, a little foreshadowing. You're like, we're gonna be friends. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I was a little Girl Scout. I love that. I never even in that. I did not know that a little foreshadowing. You're like, we're going to be friends. Oh, yeah. I was a little girl scout. I love that. I never even knew that. But I mean, I just, I'm, I've always been a child like John Candy and like funny comedians were always my thing. And your dad, like I knew, I knew he was like the tiniest little thing ever, but I was just like, he finds this out. He's going to be like, I've still got it. Oh no dude. Rob Schneider just like, he finds this out. He's gonna be like, I've still got it. Dude, Rob Schneider was like, it was Rob Schneider, Drew Carey. Like I had a list of like comedians that I loved as a child. I always go for funny over anything. Like, I mean, I've, I've dated all kinds of different people. Um, but if you make

me laugh, you get my heart and my vagina. And my vagina. I'm telling you, man, you make me laugh. My legs are spread wide open. Yeah, and like throwing like a neck tat, like sold. Oh, they have to have tattoos. Do you have to date a man with tattoos or can you date a man who has bare skin?

I'll try anything twice. I love that. But I do tend to get along better with, I don't know, I like people who have tattoos. It's- The same. You can withstand, if someone's covered in tattoos, like they can withstand some things.

Yeah, they can take some shit. Or they've been through things, you know? Or they have that like rough around the edges thing. Yeah. I feel like if we're flesh, all a mesh and I'm the only one with tattoos, I feel like one of these kids is doing its own thing. And I'd like want you to be on my team.

You know, like you need to be covered in tattoos too. Yeah, definitely. Are you dating right now? I am actually back with my baby daddy. Ah, we're gonna dive into this. I know. Okay, hence the tour name, right? Yes, yes.

And we broke up for a year and I was going through really, really insane postpartum. And I don't even think that I realized I was going through it until I kind of got out of it. And we were already broken up and he just kept showing up and we became best friends. And then through, like, custody and everything and working together and, like, a lot of therapy on my part,

we, like, restarted our communication, our, like, respect for each other. And I just... I never stopped being in love with him. And then finally, he was just like, I wore the right set of underwear and she's like locked in. I love that. We're doing really, really well. I feel, I love that you're talking about postpartum though,

because I feel like a lot of women in the spotlight, like you guys literally will have babies and then you're thrust back into the spotlight. And it's like, you don't have time to heal. You don't have time to nurture yourself. And then the world wants to be mad at you if you're not this picture perfect human that they've put you on this pedestal.

Yeah, it's honestly like, it's kind of fucked up because I really struggled to get pregnant in a lot of different relationships. And now I know it's like God's timing is is not up to us and even our baby's timing is not up to us and I think that like the pandemic everything was shut down and I was able to like rest I sold my house in LA I moved to New Mexico I had donkeys and goats and I got pregnant and because I wasn't on the road I didn't have all this pressure I ballooned up I got pregnant and because I wasn't on the road, I didn't have all this pressure, I ballooned up. I got so heavy and I got up to 284 pounds

the day that I delivered my son. And then- It was happy weight though. Yeah, I mean, it was miserable weight, but it was also like my body did what it had to do. And then it took me three years to lose baby weight. And the thing that made me so mad is like, in this day and age, like no one gives any credit

for anything. I don't care how anybody loses weight. If somebody takes charge of their own life, not that anyone has to, because I've been every single size, but like I worked really, really hard because I was so depressed. I started working three months after I had my son. I was back on the road and I was like trying to, I like already stopped breastfeeding. I was so stressed out. And then I just started

working out to try and get my mind right because I was like blue. I was really sad, really miserable. And then my song with Miranda, Drunk, like really went crazy during my pregnancy. So, so many changes happened so quickly, so fast. And then, I don't know, I just like, you'd think anything that I know about or had known about postpartum was like, oh, like you could like be kind of sad, like for a couple of weeks, a couple months after.

And I'm like looking down couple weeks, a couple months after. And I'm like looking down and like it's two years after and like I'm getting ready to celebrate my son's second birthday and I'm not with his dad and I'm like, I feel so lost. I tried a lot of different therapies. I tried like all kinds of like different psychedelic stuff. I tried talk therapy, I tried everything.

And ultimately I had to go through certain experiences on my own, some of which I didn't want to go through, but. Like life experiences. Like life experiences. Like, you know, I'm already kind of, I don't wanna say like I'm sick of talking about like what happened in January and the Dolly incident.

And I'm sure people are not gonna like what I have to say about a lot of it, but I can already look back and be like, you know what, I have this good thing that came from it. This thing changed in my life. I was presented with an opportunity to grow. And I think that every experience is an opportunity for change.

And change is inevitable. It's the blade that carves itself and or sharpens itself, whatever that quote is, and I really like that. But like, how do you... When that Dolly incident happened, were you still going through postpartum? Was that part of it? Honestly, I don't...

I think I'd kind of come out of postpartum and then everything that had accumulated, everything that I had just like sucked on to my life in my like depression, all just kind of came to a head. And I think it was probably just rock bottom, right? I just... If it wasn't that, it was gonna be something else. And I just took, for the first time, like, you know,

when I was pregnant, like, I was like, okay, maybe I've got this time given to me. This was, this year was the first time I was like, I'm stepping away from this. Everyone's telling me to kill myself. Everyone's telling me to surrender my child. And it was just so, so wrong. And, you know, if a man did it,

it would have been a completely different story. But also like I've spoken to everybody and I've spoken to everyone at the Opry and they said that I'm not banned. Country is forgiving. They are really forgiving people. Yeah, it is, it is. And the saddest part about it is like, and I don't even really want to use these words,

but like, somebody is going to get arrested. Somebody is going to get something that happens. And you know, some people might say it's good for you. But like, for me, I'm like, that's sad. The biggest thing I learned was like, okay, take nothing that you read online for like full-blown truth, because everything you never know from my experience, especially what was going on then. I was going through some like heavy, heavy, heavy shit, not even postpartum, not even my breakup, not even just that. Can we touch on it?

I mean, it was just it was a dark situation that I can't I can't talk about. And I don't really want to. Yeah. But like, like a relationship. Yeah, it was like bad shit that was going on. And I because of that, no one knew what was really going on. And they just thought like, God forbid somebody looks and thinks, Wow, like, what was going on with her that day? You know, like I played two shows that day. I played two fucking shows. The first show was great.

It was perfect. But I hadn't eaten. I hadn't done anything. I hadn't slept in days. I was so I had such bad anxiety and everything. And I just walked back on stage and I'd taken one shot too many. We went through that alleyway and went to Robert's Western World and a bunch of people were celebrating. And I took, you know, one shot of tequila when I'd been drinking a martini.

And like that, I was like the tiniest I'd ever been. And boom, I could come to and like the curtain's down. And it sucks. It's awful. But at the same time, I went home and I was like, I'd never, I never want to cry like that in a car ride home. I never want to wake up feeling like that ever again. I never want to feel that shame. I never want to like, you know, any anytime Dolly Parton calls you is cool. But like, I didn't want it to be under those circumstances. And like, but she called me to make me feel better, you know? She's a sweet angel of a woman. She's literally, she's like proof of angels. She truly is.

And I think what that taught, like, I learned so much from this experience. And like, if I can come out of it, literally anyone can. So going back, so you had said that you did not want to, you got to a point where you stopped wanting to go and spend summers with your dad. Yeah, I mean, like he was filming this one prison movie in like Stockton, California in a prison. And I was gonna say, there's not very many

cool hang spots in Stockton. Shout out the Diaz brothers. I had already started getting tattooed and it was like 108 degrees like every single day. So I was having to wear sweaters because my dad was like very anti tattoos or like any form of self-expression that differed from what he wanted for me.

Not that he ever even thought about me, but. You're killing my fantasy of Rob here. I'm so sorry. It's over, it's done, it's over with. I'm so sorry. I'm're killing my fantasy of Rob. I'm so it's over. It's done. It's over with. I'm so sorry. I'm T-Mail all day. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm T-Mail all day. But yeah, I just like I would get in so much trouble. And now like a massive part like of like, I guess, little little tease

that have turned into massive paranoia, paranormal, wait, paranoia. What's paranormal? I don't know, I was gonna say, is that like ghosts or something? I don't know, but like being a ghoul, like a ghoul dog name. I like spend one day in this like witchy house, it's cool. And I don't remember what I was talking about.

Oh, dad, you had to wear sweaters, cover in the tattoos. And so like, I didn't want to be, oh, okay, okay, okay. My little teeth. So I would get in so much trouble if I ever, oh my gosh, if I ever messed up a shot, or if I ever was like, like an arm in the camera, or like if I ever was talking, like I would get in fucking trouble.

And like I spent, you know, I'm really putting shit out there right now. But like my dad forgot about every single birthday. Like I spent my 18th birthday in a summer school, like class with like algebra one. And because if I didn't take it, I wouldn't graduate. And they brought me cupcakes and I came home, my dad forgot my birthday. It's okay, I read an entire, yeah, it's totally hurtful. But like, you know what?

That shapes and molds you. I put every ounce of my being into my son's birthday. Like every birthday, even for my friends. Like every birthday, because I know how it feels to be forgotten on your birthday. And that's so sad. It's like, come on, it's my one fucking day. It's my one day.

Give me that. Yeah, give me that. And so like, I stopped wanting to go. And then I got kicked out of school in New York in sixth or seventh grade. And my mom was like, I am done with her. I was being bad. I got my tongue pierced. My mom walked in on me. And my mom was like, I am done with her. I was being bad.

I got my tongue pierced. My mom walked in on me and a boy. And she was like, she's- Mom's losing her shit. Yes, and my mom is tough. My mom like, she doesn't give up on me ever, but my mom was like, she's fucking your problem. And he was like, what do you want me to do with her?

And he was going to Amsterdam. So I was 14 and he took me to Amsterdam. And he, Oh no, I thought we all can tell. My dad hired this 21 year old sweet, sweet. She was an Indian young woman. She was a virgin and her name was Amin and she was like, she was lovely. And every single day I'd say, let's go to the flower markets. And I would be like, oh, yeah, wow, look at those tulips. And then I would dip back behind, I'd like watch her freak out looking for me and I'd go straight to the red light district. I still to this day roll the best joints ever.

But like, I wanted culture, I wanted to see things and I didn't want every single day I would ditch the nanny and she didn't want to lose her job so she never told my dad. So I basically just spent however many months we were there in Amsterdam. I had, I mean, I would go to like my home school like teacher, I was like, I don't even I was learning some Dutch and French or something but like, I never paid attention. I can always distract somebody like I just want to do. I'd be like, oh, you're into Dungeons and Dragons. That's cool. Like, I don't really want to learn about like science, man.

And and then, you know, like one time we went to any time my dad would like have me on a trip, he would like forget that he had me. And so he I know I know because he's not a great planner. And is that that's the least of his worries. Yeah. And so he took he took me to Russia and with him. Oh, no, I was probably 18. Actually, but the thing is, like, I refuse to like waste a trip. Yeah. So I love that even at such a young age, you were like, motherfucker, I'm here to live. trip. Yeah. So I love that even at such a young age,

you were like, motherfucker, I'm here to live. Yeah. Yeah. We were in Russia and he was like in a basement, like getting ready to do some TV show. He had two security guards and I was like, hey, hey, we're in Moscow. Like, I'm not sitting in this basement TV studio.

I was like, I'm gonna go out. And he would always just be like, like reading something like, whatever, take one of the security guards with you. I was like, I'm gonna go out. And he would always just be like, reading something like, whatever, take one of the security guards with you. I was like, great. So this like beautiful Russian, like, tuxedo fucking wearing, like young, handsome security guard. I was like, what do you do in Moscow?

And he's like, do you like to ride rides? And I was like, I fucking love rides. Takes me to an amusement park, rides all the fucking rides with me, is in like photo booth pictures with me, takes me to get like the big Russian hat. And then, like, I had started to lose some of my, like, teenage weight. And he was staying with like this very,

my dad was like there for this like really rich lady. And she let me buy this like La Perla gown and like heels because they had some fashion show. And I was like, I'm such a tomboy, I don't know how to walk in heels. And there was like 25 steps down from this party. And the guy was like, Nikolai, he picked me up, walks me down the steps, opens the limo with me in his arms

and like sets me down. And I was like, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Did you and Nicolai ever hook up? Hello babies. Welcome back to another episode of dumb blonde. Today is so special to me because I started this podcast six years ago. And when I named this podcast, I named it after a specific song

that was tongue in cheek, but also was an oxymoron to my life, but also a woman who I have admired and literally just patterned my entire life after the iconic, the queen of not just country, but the queen of everything, Ms. Dolly Parton is here today. Well, hello. Now we should put an S on the dumb blonde. I'm telling everything, Miss Dolly Parton is here today. Well, hello.

Now we should put an S on the dumb blonde. I'm telling you. We've got two of us here today. Will you be my co-host? I'll be your co-host. I would love for you to be my. If you didn't love that, I would love it. I would love for you to be my co-host.

We've got a bunny and a squirrel. I love it. I love it so much. Both are fast though. Very slippery suckers, right? Yeah, very. Very, very. This has been something that I have pretty much manifested since I started this podcast. Everybody has always asked me

who is your dream guest and there's two of you. Dolly Parton and Joyce Meyers are the two people that I have said that I have wanted since the beginning and sitting here with you today is such an honor and I just want to say thank you for making time for me today. I'm happy to do it. We love you. I love you too and my husband loves you too. Well we love your husband very much. But anytime I see you I see him and vice versa. So yeah we love you both. You make a great couple. Thank you. But you're great on your own. And you're no dumb blonde. I can tell you that. Thank you. And neither one of us are though right? Well I don't know about me but I know you're okay. Well, I mean, the testimony to your life

is pretty much shows how brilliant of a woman you are. And I kinda wanna dive into that with you. Starting with, I wanna paint a picture for my viewers at home. For some people who might not even know your backstory, I'd like to start with your childhood and where you grew up and stuff like that, if you could tell me a little bit about that.

Well, I grew up in the great smoky mountains of East Tennessee, way up in the hills. Actually, I was actually born in a little cabin on the Little Pigeon River. My dad was a sharecropper for a while, and then eventually we moved over to the little place we call Locust Ridge, where you hear me talk a lot about my Tennessee mountain home.

But there's 12 of us in all. Mama had 12 kids and six boys and six girls. We were pretty even. We were just country people just trying to scratch a living out of dirt up there in the hills. But I was blessed to have a good mom and dad and they managed pretty good to work with nothing to try to raise a house full of kids

and none of us wound up in jail, none of us had to get married. So all in all I think they did a pretty good job but we were just, a lot of folks in our area were poor, that's just the way it was in that area. But it's been one of the greatest things really that I've carried with me all my memories of my childhood. And it's made me appreciate life and people more than if I had been brought up a different

way, I think. Yes ma'am. I always feel like harder childhoods make for great adulthoods. It like sets you up for just a lifetime of, you know, knowing that you have to work for what you want and going after your dreams. And I feel like you dream a little bit bigger too. I think you do. I think you also kind of can relate to things more.

And you also, because if you're like us, you stay so close together as a family in order to try to make it. And I think that in itself gives you a strength that you wouldn't have had you not had, to know what it's like to work together, you know, to make things work and to keep a family together. Let's talk about the Grand Old Opry because you made your first appearance at the Grand

Old Opry when you were 13 years old. How was that for you walking out on that stage at 13 being introduced by Johnny Cash? It was scary. Yeah, I can imagine. My heart was beating like a drum but I always said my desire to do a thing has always been greater than my fear of it. So I just tried to hold on to that. I thought well I can't turn around in the middle of the stage and run back. I thought I gotta finish it it. It's kinda how I felt today. No matter what. I was so scared. Oh no. In a good way though. I feel like if you're not scared of what you're doing,

you're not growing. Well I agree with that, but anyway, that was scary. That was big. That was, you know, working with, just being around all those big others, but I was also in awe of it. And I, like I said, of course, I mean, I was just country kid. You know, you're always, of course, I mean, I was just a country kid.

You're always nervous when you're first time you ever eat in a restaurant around people. You're not used to knowing how to do that, what spoons and forks, and even to this day, I still don't know exactly. When I go to these big five meals and all that. But I figured, well, I wouldn't be here if I wasn't a star or so to hell with them.

I'm gonna eat what I eat and do what I have to. But I still would like to know those things, but I just never learned it. And now I don't care. Sometimes you think, ooh. Get to a point where you've earned not being able to care. You just kind of watch other people, that's how you learn.

It's like, I'll watch them, and when they pick that up, I'll pick that up, and I'll do this, and I'll do that. I could not point out a solid fork to you if somebody paid me, I don't know how to do that either. Well that's what I'm saying, I just kind of watch if it's a big old, big thing, like if I'm invited to eat the royal family or something. You think, yeah, I'm very uncomfortable.

But, I better watch so I don't make a fool of myself. No. So circling back to the Opry Johnny Cash introduced you and he's known for his powerful presence and mentorship What do you remember about your interaction with him that night? And did he say anything to you that stuck with you throughout your career? He said hello That's stuck with me because at that time, I thought, see, I had seen Johnny Cash at another time when we were sitting in the audience

and I had the biggest crush on him. Because he had so much magnetism and I was young, I was just beginning to feel those hormones and look at, to where you feel those things. I never felt. Very masculine energy. Well, he did, he had all that movement and all. I found out later it's because he was coming off drugs.

Oh no. He just had twitches, the one I thought was magnetism. I love that. But there was some truth in that. I think the way he was kind of moving. He was a Pisces, right? But I loved him.

And as for years and years, I told him he was my first crush and he was. And then so in my Broadway musical The Life Story I covered that about Johnny touching me on the shoulder. It was like it made me just change my life. I thought I was grown then because I felt all those feelings. But he was a real nice guy and very quiet. But I became best friends with June and Johnny after.

So as the years went by, you know, we would visit and we liked each other a lot. She's a good woman. I really, I really. She was a loud mouth like me. So we got along just fine. And Johnny, I remember where somebody said something about Johnny, don't you get tired of hearing June talk all the time? And he said, no, I do some of my best thinking when June to talk. So, I think he does some of his best thinking when I'm talking.

I think that's how all husbands are. They just tune us out. You know, they're just so used to us. is best at thinking when I'm talking. I think that's how all husbands are. They just tune us out. They're just so used to us. I'm sure they do. When you performed that night, did you already have a sense of the legacy that you wanted to build in country music? Or did that experience at the Opry

shift your perspective on what was possible for you as an artist? Because? At that time, I was just so nervous. And I reflected on that years later as I still do but at that time it was just a big deal you know to be there on at the Grand Ole Opry with all those big name artists and so I think that I I was just it was just kind of addling at that time I was just kind of addled

about the whole thing but I knew knew that that was, you know, just like when I got my encore on the Cas Walker Show, the first time I was on there, and I thought, oh boy, you know, I'm gonna be a star. And now, years later, I realized they weren't applauding so much because I was good, it was just because I was little. You know, no, it wasn't, because I wasn't. You know, you have to develop and grow.

But you know, everybody wants to be good to a kid. And the fact that I was out there doing it, I think they, you know, people were just extra nice. And I think a whole lot of that might've been so with the opera, it was just kind of cute when you see a young person doing something. So, but I did feel, and I felt back on it shortly after thinking wow you know I was on the Randall O'Brien and they liked me. They asked you for three

encores. This is what I want to do. Yeah, they asked you for three encores after your first performance. Yeah, but I didn't give them to them. No, I'm joking.