Dumb People Town - Dumb Tiger Town

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

After finishing the series, Daniel, Jason and Randy get into episodes 6 and 7 and then a full series wrap up.

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hey townies welcome to a special episode of Dumb People Town Tiger King Queen DP Tiger King We're going to do a special episode of Dumb People Town. Tiger. Tiger. King. Queen. DP Tiger King. I don't know. Dumb people.

Dumb Tiger. DP Tiger. Either way, this is our wrap-up show of the series, I guess, so far, because there's another episode that's coming out. We'll get to that. But this is, it's just the three of us, because we have been watching it over the course of one week or a week and a half,

it was a week full week. It was exactly a week. Exactly a week. We watched, I'm proud of us. We barreled through all seven episodes to the, that are available now of the, of the tiger King.

And we watched it with many of you guys, which was awesome to do the Instagram live. Sorry, we didn't have a better setup in terms of microphones. We were shouting. We did our best. We did the best we could. We gave it to you and we did the best we could. And it was an interesting way to watch it to be like, okay, we're starting right now. Go.

And we went back through and read all of your comments. They were amazing. Thank you so much for everyone who participated. From Sarah Dunn way out in Ireland out to everybody who watched it with us. I believe Stephen out to everybody who watched it with us. I believe Stephen Elton Yates watched it with us. Oh yeah, he did.

And it was what I did love about watching it this way, I will say, and then we'll get into the last two episodes. So here's the way this episode is going to be structured. We'll see. This is our hope. Our goal is to best plan plans. I mean, the next thing you know,

we could also be owning tigers and breeding cubs. Never. But what I'd love to do is wrap up episodes six and seven because we haven't done it. Then in segment two, we'll sort of talk about the series as a whole. And then the final segment of the show, Dan has some where are they now updates.

The reason we're doing this and the reason we thought this should be a whole episode before we jump into six and seven is that this really feels like minus some crazy stuff that would probably take it and make it not a dumb people tell story this i remember when it was sent to me yeah this whole thing feels like a number of dumb people tell stories wrapped up into one right so like the gubernatorial race could have been its own story. Carol Baskin,

various things about Carol Baskin and anything Doc Antle did. All those cool cats and kittens. All you cool cats and kittens. Those things could have been Dumb People Town stories on their own. So this is like a collection of all of it thrown into a cage and we're going to now let them

free and allow it to breathe. So let's talk about six and seven because stuff went down in six and seven. Yeah. It's going to be hard for me not to remember. I mean, we obviously know how it ended. Sure. Sure.

So six and seven, basically more Jeff Lowe, Jeff Lowe taking over. Well, it was the whole, like the murder plot. And did they send whatever his name was? Like little mouth thing did they

alan allen's graves or something like that yeah groves or no i don't know that's not his name great you just wanted to be graves because that's where they put dead people yeah uh alan shallow graves yeah oh jinx so no it's he was He went from being like, I hate that motherfucker, to $3,000. I'll do it. I'll take his money. I guess, apparently, apparently, I chickened out. Right.

Like, you had no... Apparently, I chickened out. Apparently, this, I guess, is what happened to me. That's what people are telling me is that I chickened out. Well, why don't you tell us? So, they had the whole thing.

They had the whole thing of, like, them finding out, like, Carole Baskin's bike path and like Google Earth. Google earthing where she was. And then it was who was. So they both hate each other. So it's who's saying it to who like is is is Joe or Jeff? Who's driving that? We're going to go murder Carol train.

I think it's it's clear to me that if you look at everything, like Carol has been, Carol Baskin was mentioned so many times by Joe Exotic that in the middle of the night, I woke up to pee and I stubbed my toe and my instant reaction was, God damn, Carol Baskin. That's a pretty good joke.

God damn, Carol Baskin. You and Jeremiah Watkins. God damn, Carol Baskin, don't do that to my feet. God damn, Carol Baskin. God damn, Carol Baskin, don't do that to my feet. God damn, Carabaskin. God damn, Carabaskin, you're going to do that to my feet. And so he's like unloading. I was mad at Carabaskin for my toe getting stuck.

She did the light bulb thing to your elbow. She did. Patreon people will know. They won't because that's coming out next. But they will know. They will eventually. God damn, Carabaskin. So he's like unloading the animals to other places.

He had that one moment where he talks about like realizing what he did to those chimpanzees. Well, so Jeff Lowe comes to him and basically says to him, the feds are on you. This is going down. You did bad things. You used your money from the zoo to pay for your gubernatorial race. He didn't really have an answer.

He did not have an answer. No, no, no, no, no. Very quiet. No, his answer, Joe Xotic got up and he was like, all right. And then he started taking the animals out of the zoo. He's like, I got to get them out of here. Excuse me, I've got some bad boots. Remember he talked about, he was like,

those chimpanzees hugged each other. For the first time. Yeah, and he was like, think of what I did to them. Maybe I kept them from doing that. Yeah, you kept them from doing each other because you kept them in cages, you dummy. We also got, we can't forget to talk about, we finally, if this documentary

built towards one thing, it was that human thumb on a jet ski. Gerritsen. Gerritsen. Joe Gerritsen. James. So it's Jeff, Joe, and James. Three J names that are more forgettable than anything else.

Those are the most popular books of the Dumb People Town Bible. From the book of James. Also from the book of Gerritsen. And Joe. Gerritsen 215. He did that. Meanwhile, remember Joe? Eye of the Tiger.

What was the song? I have a tiger, which how much money did they pay for? They spent so much money just to use that. I mean, I will say this. It was just one shot. It probably costs more than like two of the episodes to shoot to get the

rights to that song. So that was one shot. I think it was one shot. You're right. They probably Netflix. It was one shot it was one shot Netflix it was one shot it was maybe and if they didn't charge enough someone in Survivor right now is going I wish they would have charged more because I bet it costs less

money to get Survivor to play your living room live than it does to license that song we could have Survivor do the dumb people town theme song it would be way cheaper to have them play Eye of the Tiger live for you than it would be to use Eye of the Tiger in a show. Because you're licensing it. And you're using the song so much more than the live performance.

It's because you're using it in perpetuity. Of course, that too. But I mean, also, it pays off so much more well. So much better. So he goes through, and that slow motion of him on the jet ski. I have an FBI informant if I've ever seen that. If that guy didn't get laid off that shot of him doing that. He owned strip clubs.

He owned strip clubs. He was getting laid off of a lot of bad shit. So James Gerritsen, and it's not Gerristin. It's Gerritsen. So even that is done. Even his last name is done wrong. He also gave you guys your favorite part. My favorite quote ever in episode six.

Joe was pretending he was in Belize. Yeah. He was posting Facebook pictures of them in the ocean. With his new friend, Dylan Passage. Husband. Husband, Dylan Passage. Garrett said. That there is not Belize water.

That there is Gulf water. Right. That there is panhandle water. And you guys lost it. I thought, because someone had tweeted us and said, you are about to see,

and I'm not going to tell you, someone's reaction to a picture, six words, and I think it was only five words. That's panhandle water. That there is panhandle water. That's five. Five. It was five. i think someone said six will be

the greatest line ever so i kind of forgot about it and then when they said it it all came back to me when he said it and it was just the greatest line that there is panhandle no way you could look at that and know that and we also kept trying to figure out what type of store does he run? Yeah. He had like kids toys, fans, lawnmowers, ceiling fans, Xboxes. Crossbows. Yeah, like toy crossbows. And then he had his lemur in there, which I'm sure the lemur wants to be in the goddamn warehouse. Right.

So it just, I love that like no narrator is reliable in this thing. That's what we were learning. But like that happened in six. And then you cut James. Is that when we also met the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor? Oh, yeah. She was great.

She was awesome. I loved her. She was like a Charlize Theron character. She was like ready. She reminded me of Shiv from Succession. Did you guys watch Succession? No, I need to. I got to get into it.

So she could have like, yes. I'm like, why don't you just go punch everyone in the face? Okay? And then we'll say that the government said that was okay. Yeah. She had a square jaw and she was ready to rock. So I loved her, but we also started to see a lot of Tim Stark. Now we had seen him before.

The best way I can describe Tim Stark, other than the fact he's got a monkey in his shirt at all times. Like when he's driving, which by the way, that's like why Britney Spears got called out. Putting her kid on her lap when she went to Starbucks. Feeding the monkey pizza and then him eating that same piece of pizza. I'm like, I hope you get every

disease. You're the worst. Just get a baby, Bjorn. In an office chair on his front porch. Office chair on the front porch. If you're on a chair that rolls and you're outside of any establishment, something's gone wrong. Yep. Right.

You shouldn't be there with that chair. Right. I agree. So he pours a ton of his money into the new zoo down in Thackerville. Yeah, over by the border. Right. Because all your people are going to be coming from Texas. Rich Texans are going to come up from there

and poor Oklahomans aren't going to. Right. That's what they said. Not us. Not us. That's James Gerritsen's words. Yeah. They're going to go down there.

That's like a redneck plan if I've ever heard one. That's just. So we know this land better than any. There aren't any rich Texans on the border of Oklahoma. I'll tell you that right now. Right. But they're going to come up for it because they're going to want to see it.

So then that's how you're going to get them. And then he invested a ton of his money. I guess he was going to bring his cats down there because he needs cats. Dude needs cats. And so, and then Jeff screwed him. Then Jeff screwed him over. No shit.

So Jeff, yeah, Dan. How about, when do you want to talk about? That's so yeah dan how about when do you want to talk about that's his affliction well that and jeff lowe and the nanny that's at the end that's what that was like the fun tidbit at the end when he's talking about the nanny he wants to hire excuse me uh sexually harass excuse me hire excuse me hire i mean excuse me and the wife in this, this is maybe the saddest moment of the whole series. She tries to justify Jeff's awfulness. She's just like, cause she's now stuck with Jeff

cause she's got his seed inside of her. His affliction seed inside of her. And she's like, well, maybe they'll be. Maybe she'll be bilingual. And that's good. Cause our baby can start talking that language too. It's like, don't justify it. Can we please get you out of the emotional prison that Jeff Lowe has you in?

Meanwhile, Doc is just minding his own. Doc Antle's like, oh, I'm not saying this on camera. Doc Antle knows all the laws. Doc Antle knows every rule. Doc Antle can tell you what 502 feet from a grade school is. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. He knows exactly, he can tell you exactly where you can stand.

Apparently they raided, and then we learned that at the end of seven, they raided his camp as well, which great. Anytime he was sitting on that elephant, I'm like, give that elephant a break, you fat boomer of size. Doc Antle was one of my hated... We can play this in the next segment. Who did you hate the most?

We're going to do the power rankings. Who do we hate the most? Because our buddy Matt... We'll get to that later. In seven, he is where it all comes down to the court case and him making calls out of jail like making a murder.

Well, but so Joe gets arrested. He gets thrown in cuffs, but where? I forget like where he was. Probably Florida. Didn't they just go down to Florida and get him? Is that what they showed? They showed him. I don't know.

Was that a reenactment? I think that was a reenactment. I think that was an, oh, yeah. He was in a parking lot somewhere, and they got him. They got him. They're like, here we go. We got him on the wildlife. Him and Dylan Passage were on the run. They were on the run. somewhere, and they got him. They got him. They're like, here we go. We got him on the wildlife. Him and Dylan Passage were on the run.

They were on the run. Yeah. And he got him. Where are these cubs going to go? Where are these cats going to die now? Out here in this house. I'm like, what? So he shot five.

That was the other thing. It's like, you shot five tigers. He's like, I euthanized. No, you shot them. You shot them. I know he did keep calling. I euthanized. No, you shot them. You shot them. I know he did keep calling. I euthanized them. They did not want to die at that point.

Do you think Joe Exotic can spell euthanized? No. Y-O-U-T-H. Joe Exotic. So OJ euthanized Nicole Simpson. And is that what happened? Is that how you want to describe it? Joe did screw up by using campaign-

And Ron Goldman. By campaign monies, using money from the zoo to finance his failed attempt. I mean, this is like- And we should note- Dream big, please. He got 19% of the Libertarian vote, which is still pretty bad.

Was it just the Libertarian? Yeah. It wasn't of the whole vote? Uh-uh. How do you know? Somebody corrected me on it. That was a primary to be the libertarian candidate?

No, I think they were showing each candidate. He got 19% of the Oklahoma vote. Whoever corrected you is wrong. That is 19% of the Oklahoma vote. You think so? Yes. 19% of Oklahoma. He just says it like it is. He's different just like, he just says it like it is.

He just says like it is. He's different. One in five people in Oklahoma that voted. He's different. He just says it like it is. He don't care what nobody says. Hey, hey, hey, you know he's gay. Well, fuck that.

I'm not going to vote for that Fruit Loops. I love Fruit Loops. Fruit Loops are so good. Underrated. And corn checks. I've been getting into that. Really? Yep. In the last

episode, which by the way, I will say right now, was not super satisfying for me. And I think a lot of people didn't feel satisfied by the last episode, which is why there's going to be another episode. We'll get into that. I think that we didn't see enough Joe Exotic in the last episode.

You only saw a still shot of his horrible bangs in prison a couple times. You saw artists rendering of his mullet in court, which you know it's bad when the artist's rendering, which makes everyone look good. Everybody looks good in a courtroom rendering. Everybody. This guy looked like a piece of crap. Looked like a clown.

Piece of crap. Perled brows. Piece of crap. We're not getting enough of him from the jail. And what you realized about him and what I saw in- Jeff Lowe went to jail, by the way. He's a felon. Oh, yeah.

Jeff Lowe, felon. Tim Stark, so mad. I mean, even the monkey inside of his shirt was mad. Tim Stark just couldn't get the monkey off his back. Couldn't get the monkey inside of his shirt was mad he's like he tim stark just couldn't get the monkey off his back couldn't get the monkey out of his chest yeah i gotta get he talked about that he goes a lot of people say you got the monkey on your back put that monkey in the front you're good to go you're like no you aren't so right i mean how many relationships has tim stark been in where the woman was like it's's the monkey or me? And then look at where he's at. He's with the monkey.

They don't even finish those sentences. I- The monkey or me. I want that monkey in a moment where- To bite his fucking face off. To rip his face off. How would you do that when you're getting pizza and free rides? Woman who had.

If you type in woman who had into Google, it will say woman who had face. That's it. Woman who had face. Dan, you could try it right now. Woman who had face. women who had face that's it woman who had face dan you could try it right now woman woman who had woman who had face i don't want to see it i'll type it no no it will be ripped off by chimp okay ready woman who had a man who had face who had had face Next thing is ripped off by a chimp. And then transplant. What does it say? It goes ripped off and then transplant.

There you go. So it's ripped off by a chimp. And then the next one, if you just had a woman who had, it's acid thrown in her face. All right. So why is Google trying to come out? Why are they so anti-women? Yeah, the misogyny of women.

But these guys, what we learned about them all the way through episode seven is that no matter how big you think you are, no matter how much you feel like you're the king of your castle, if you are dumb and if you don't know how to do it right, you're gone.

And if you're going to break the law, you're going to be gone. You're gone. The best moment was when he was in the courtroom. And he said- Not in the courtroom, when he's running for governor and he's up there with all the other candidates in the debate. And he made a joke that he thought was going to get laughs.

And then it didn't. And it just fell so flat. He was in 11. It was like, oh yeah, these are regular- Tell the joke. Remind the joke. I can't even remember what the joke is. I don't remember what it is.

I don't even remember. All I know is he- It was sad. It was super, super sad. He was up there and I'm- And he told the story. He did a thing and then it was like, I'm a gay so-and-so.

Like that. He like worked that into it. It's like, know your audience. Know your audience, man. Because no one laughed and everyone was just up there and it's like, oh no, you're not at one of your shows

at one of your thing where people are just laughing because they're like- This isn't a funeral where it's supposed to be fun and lighthearted. See the light. Get into all that. Country music is so easy.

Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll talk about our feelings on the series as a whole. We'll do our hate rankings, maybe some other stuff. And then in the segment three, we're going to talk about

where are they now and then... Which will probably be covered in the final episode. But we'll get into it. Who cares? It's Dumb People Town, the Tiger King wrap-up. And if you haven't seen Tiger King, we're giving it all to you Dumb People Town, the Tiger King wrap up. And if you haven't seen Tiger King, we're giving it all to you

right now. You don't have to. You don't have to go through or watch it and see if we're right. That's right. All right. You guys will be right back with more Dumb People Town right after this. Hey guys, welcome back to Dumb People Town. I want to remind people about two things. Number one, Dan has an unbelievable nightly podcast called The Good Night Show.

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a TV show that we pitched with one of the producers from Carson Daly for us to host a horse show. It would have been amazing. It would have been awesome. Maybe you guys can like jump on Hot Mike or something. Maybe. We'll see. By the way, Jordan Harbinger, who was on our,

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And so I want to return the favor, uh, and just tell you that I've listened to it. It is fascinating and interesting. He digs into like incredible story. So kind of, it's tangential to dumb people town because he takes like insane, uh,

stories and really digs into them in an interesting way. Jordan Harbinger show, check it out. And that's it. All right, let's get into a wrap up of the entire series as a whole. So here's what I think we all have agreed that if you have to own a big

cat, nobody does. Nobody does. If you have to own a big cat and this goes for Carol, like a zoo barely does. In fact, it probably shouldn't. Okay. If you have to own a big cat, and this goes for Carole Baskin. Like a zoo barely does. In fact, it probably shouldn't. Agreed. Okay.

If you have to own a big cat, then you clearly had something that happened that was out of your control early on in your life or at some point in your life when you were 17. It's about power. It's about you exerting power over these animals. And suddenly, in many ways, it turns to you exerting power over the people who work for you and those animals. And suddenly, in many ways, it turns to you exerting power over the people who work for you and those animals. That's what we realized from this show. Because here's the deal with the tiger, okay? Or our cats, as big as that we're talking about

with these other animals. Lions, tigers, tigers, panthers, poos. Idiot. Is that in order, within captivity, you need such a massive support system just to keep one of those tigers alive for the life of Walmart's nearby. You need so much food.

That's number one. You need trainers who officially, who are like trained through schooling, who understand how to treat the animals and how to keep them in a good place. You need doctors and medical staff in case anything happens to the, you need space and, and space,

space. You need space. You need women to deprogram so you can separate them from their families. No, no, that's something else. But so, so those are the things you need.

Those are the things you need to do. The thing that is unnatural, which is keep an animal like that in captivity. Right. So what you need, Dan, you said this while we were watching the show and it was one of the most brilliant comments that was made throughout the whole series.

I don't even know what you're going to say. So he said, you know how much it costs to keep a tiger alive in our zoo or in this place zoo? $10,000. I can do it for $3,000. Dan says, you know how much it costs to keep an animal alive in Africa?

Nothing. Zero. Zero dollars. Or you could contribute to a wildlife refuge that is making sure that they're protected from poachers in Africa. You could do that. That would cost you nothing. Then you could be the tiger. Then I would call you the tiger king.

You give more money than anybody? You're the king. I gave $250,000 to this natural reserve where people find... Look, you know, by the way, I don't even to this natural reserve where people find... Look, you know, by the way, I don't even mind like safaris where people come to Africa. You go where they are. You run that risk.

By the way, Joe Exotic, you could run in Oklahoma in just the space of the building that you yourself burned down. You could have run a gay whorehouse there and made more money than in Oklahoma. And in my opinion, a way better documentary would have been so much more fun. Call that the big cat ranch. There you go.

Right. Everything's a ranch. Yeah. Why are all those in Nevada? The ranches, the bunny ranch, the cat ranch. Yeah.

They're all ranches. I think they should be called. There should be one called the hidden Valley ranch. Cause that's what people should call their nether regions, the Hidden Valley. Or it's creamy. Or I would say if you're going to do a ranch, a gay ranch in Oklahoma, call it a dude ranch.

Yes. That's the definition of a dude ranch. You called it the dude. I'm telling you, people who are closeted in Oklahoma because it is Oklahoma. Sure. You won't get, you know what I mean? That's it.

It's okay. People are closeted in Oklahoma cause it is Oklahoma. You, this is a place for you to go a safe refuge for you, right? Let your inner animal come out. It's a, it's an animal refuge for you to go to the dude ranch.

Joe, you know, one would have been mad at you. No, but you could add horses. People don't get mad if you have horses. The only thing you would have gotten caught is feelings. That's right.

You got the feels. Catching feels. That's it. So Dan, that was a beautiful thing that you said that I'll never forget throughout this. You know something I don't know that we talked about now that we're going to do a full series right now? Yeah.

That fucking pizza place they opened. Oh my God. And the meat was the Walmart meat. And they loved their pizza. It made me question every- It made me want pizza. pizza place they open oh my god and the meat was the was the meat was the thrown away to their pizza it made me question it made me want pizza so we do pizza every friday night we do we have pizza night we're okay what is what is how first of all let me guess you go to yep okay three pizzas no two is there no we make their their everybody gets their own little everyone gets their own personal pizza and then whatever you don't, that's your breakfast slash lunch tomorrow.

Ooh. I went to a burrito place the other day. Yeah, and that's your... And I bought my breakfast burrito for the next day. That's smart. Good man. Good man, Dan. That's in my head.

Thank you. Dan, were you the one who said every woman orders breakfast? No, the Mexican pizza at Taco Bell. Sometimes I've been that woman. I'm going to give Becky Robinson. I am every woman ordering Mexican tacos. Becky Robinson is so funny.

I love her Instagram. She just had a little bit on her Instagram that said, and I'm going to paraphrase this, but it was so brilliant. She's like, I can't wait to meet a guy who I love so much that I'm willing to share my actual Taco Bell order with. Great. She's like, $17.99.

This thing, that thing, this thing. Fries from McDonald's on the drive home. It was so good. Oh, that's great. And I'm like, look, that's so. Like, I relate to you so much, girl. That's what it is. All right.

These guys are putting out pizzas with the meat that they was refused from. I mean, this is... Expired meat. Expired meat. So this is the meat that didn't go to the Tigers, that didn't go to Cowie. Returned. That didn't go to Cowie. Right.

This is like three generations of being rejected, and now it's on the pizza. Ugh. I mean, that was called the- I shudder at that. That was rough to watch. I did not like watching them eat that. So I think this show could have been- It just exposes how shitty the exotic suit was.

Well, let me ask you, do you have- We can either do a hate ring or a disaster. Do you have a- For you, what was the best moment of watching the series, and what was the worst moment? So for me, the series and what was the worst moment so for me the best moment was the wave runner me too James Garrison on the wave runner because it felt like it was from a different

movie it was fun right nothing's getting hurt except them waves he was shredding them waves that wave runner was working hard that wave runner was working overtime whose idea do you think that was his do you think that was his it was because he like gave a look like you getting this like he wanted to make sure they

knew right that they were getting the slow-mo you know he said as they're out there well i got a wave runner if you guys want to shoot that right and they're like right now if i could find that if i could find a gif of someone sent it to us and of him on the wave run yes the wave runner? Yes. But it was before we knew what it was. Before we knew what it was. And I looked at that water when I was looking and I was like, wait a minute, that's not Belize water. That there is panhandle water. That might be your favorite moment.

And that there is panhandle water is my favorite moment. I want us to be back in a society where we can all hang out, right? And I want one of you guys to text me and be like, Dan, just shipped and made deep dish pizza from Chicago. And my response will just be me, like just that guy on the wave runner.

That's how you tell people I'm on my way. Have you ever been on a wave runner? Yes. In the Ozarks. It's the best. Did we do it, man? No, I've never been on it. I've been on an ATV, but I've never been on a wave runner.

I think I've been on a wave runner. ATV, we pop wheelies in ATVs. And we were like, that's dangerous. Super dangerous. I've been on an ATV, but I've never been on a wave. I think I've been on a wave. ATV, we pop wheelies in ATVs. That's dangerous. Super dangerous. So the thing that just is crazy to me is that like what it has exposed is that there are no good people. I saw an interesting post and I don't know how I don't like it, but I don't like it. Okay. Okay.

I don't know how I don't like it. Maybe I don't like it because it's true. I don't know how I don't like it. Maybe I don't like it because it's true. Okay. I love the guy who posted it. He's our buddy Joe DeRosa who I just love, love, love.

Okay. He's our friend. He's somebody that I truly, truly love as a person. What did he do? He posted a picture of Carol Baskin, her husband.

Of Joe Exotic and it said Republicans. Oh, I saw that. And then Carol Baskin had said liberals. Right. And I'm like, I don't know if that's, first of all, Republicans and liberals

aren't the two sides of the coin. Whatever he said. Conservatives and the liberals. And I'm like, you know, I don't know if conservatives would accept Joe Exotic because he is gay. And I don't know if Carole Baskin is 100% a liberal. I think it's like,

it's more like bleeding heart and shoot you in the face. Like, it's a different thing. So I'm not sure if that really sums them both up, but I think it does

sum up the notion that you can't, like the thing that bothered me the most about Carole Baskin is like, where's Don Lewis and you don't have a good enough story good enough story by the way american at american butcher is a fan of the show big fan of pen pals as well sent me video of their meat grinder that

they have because he's he is what is he's like one of the most foremost butchers in the country yeah um sent me the meat grinder he goes this is the same meat grinder that carol baskin had and you can put it you could put a body he put a human in there just to show you. Yeah, he's like, look, this is my cousin Jeff, who I don't like. It's for the show. I'm like, get in, Jeff. Get in there, bro. But he showed me.

He's like, that little meat grinder she said she had, that little do-nothing meat grinder, this is what it is. Okay. And he's like, you could put anything you want in there. So I'm just saying, I don't know where Don Lewis, her story, I don't know where Don Lewis is. I story i don't know where don lewis is i don't like your relationship with your weird ass husband prince charles and prince charles and i don't know why you're not paying your volunteers you i know you're a non-profit but

you're making tens all right so but so let's get into this because i think this series could have been called the tiger king but it also could have been called. Who do you hate the more? Who do you hate the most? I hate parade, hate parade, hate parade. Who do you hate the most? Whatever you want to call it.

You hate parades. So there you go. Other than Mardi Gras parades. Yeah. I've never, what about the one you were in where you guys were the, that was Mardi Gras. Okay.

It was great. When I went to Sula, when I went to Sula for Mardi Gras, great parade. But as a rule, I'm just like Mardi Gras, by the way, might've been the thing that spread

COVID. A lot of it, I know. So where we're at right now is we want to create a who do you hate the most I guess top bracket. Well, number one is always going to be Joe Exotic for me. Because none of this happens without him. Agreed.

I 100% agree. And the thing is what was so sad was they showed those early videos and his thoughts were- He's like Dennis Miller. Like back in the day, Dennis Miller was like a pretty lucid thinking,

like smart guy. His thoughts were, but it got clouded. His thoughts were like so much about helping animals out. Right. And now they should never be living in Oklahoma.

Even in Oklahoma, he said. And they shouldn't be bred. But when you start to need money, and when you start to have an operation going, and when you start to have straight men that you're converting as gay because you... Not converting, but like

getting them to perform sexual acts on you so that they can have meth, you need to support that. Yeah, he killed a kid. Entity or business or program that involves animals and money will corrupt the life of the animal. Always. Always.

Always. Horse racing, dog racing, it doesn't matter what it is. It can be circus shows. Dog fighting, horse racing, dog racing, circus. Anything will corrupt the life of that animal. That's right. Because it's in the name of money. You have to make money. It can be circus shows. Dog fighting, horse racing, dog racing, circus. Anything will corrupt the life of that animal. That's right. Because it's in the name of what you have to make money.

Animal doesn't want to balance the ball on their nose. They don't. They want to be an animal. They want to be an animal. It's a simple thing, which is eat and shit and sleep. That's all animals do. If a baby seal gets eaten by a whale, that was his or her purpose. Right. Now you tell people, what about beluga whales that have to?

I'm not talking about them. They can't live anywhere else. Right. Now you tell people what about beluga whales that have to. I'm not talking about them. They can't live anywhere else. No. Anytime you've chosen to put something in a scenario for profit, it's going to corrupt the animal. It is not good for the animal and once you're up against it, you need the mighty dollar to keep it going. That's right.

Because like we said, you get behind the eight ball immediately. It's like going. So who like, so who's on the, so let's start on the bottom of the power ranking and work our way back up. Okay, very bottom for me is Saf, but Saf is still complicit in what happened there. Saf keeps supporting.

Look, I support Saf. I think Saf seems like a smart, lucid person. Oh, I'm not saying I like Saf. But I'm saying Saf keeps fighting to support joe throughout the whole thing saff racing to get back to the animals seven days after losing i'm like no yeah but some people have said to me well you know ex-cons have a hard time i get all that but at some point you make a choice and so i'm ranking my hate saff's on the list but i'll put her at the bottom i can't figure out out who I would put him on the bottom.

I would put above him all the people who show up and pay money to see the animals. They're complicit in it as well. Okay, yeah, the crowds. The crowds, you are complicit in this as well. All the people who want to get a picture with them and a cub for a scene, for an Instagram photo. You are-

Then I throw in their Walmart- Or their meat policy. Joel Dial. Joel Dial. Joel Dial. Josh Dial. Josh Dial. Josh Dial.

Well, you might learn something about Josh that'll move him up later on. Okay, fine. I don't like that. What about Cowie? I feel bad for him. He feels like- Cowie might be near the bottom.

He's near the bottom. Cowie and Saf are kind of hanging out with each other. Yeah, those two dudes, they're fine down there. And I would put way, way down there, I would put Travis's mom. She was a bit of a victim in this, although she was also kind of complicit for a while. She allowed her son to be-

She allowed her son, and then she showed up- And I would put Travis down around there, and I would put the other husband who- John Finley. John Finley, I'd put Travis down around there and I would put the other husband who- John Finley. John Finley. I'd put him down there and I would put the newest husband, Pass, down all near the passage.

Dylan Passage. Dylan Passage. They're all down. Those guys all feel like victimized. Who are your mid-ranks? Mid-rank people are- Oh, and I would put the woman who was driven down by her father

who got out of the Doc Antle situation. She's weighed down at the very bottom. Yeah, but then you get into Amanda, the prosecutor. She's not Doc Antle situation. She's way down at the very bottom. But then you get into Amanda, the prosecutor. She's not even on the list. She's not even on the list. I don't hate her. I don't even hate her. She's way, way, way down at the bottom.

I actually like her. Right. But then there are no real mid-levels. So then where do you go? You go with Tony Stark's brother, Bill Stark or whatever the hell his name was? Mid-level, I would maybe put like Jeff Lowe's wife. Jeff Lowe's wife because she's bad because she was feeding

balloons to tigers and she also stuck with Jeff Lowe, but like she got strangled by him. Didn't she get strangled by him or was that another wife? Maybe another wife. Whatever. If you strangle one woman. And I would put in the middle there, I'd put James Gerritsen somewhere in the middle.

I would. He's bad. He's not a good dude. Yeah, he's in the middle. He's in the middle. He's a mid-range. And then I would put in the middle there, I'd put James Gerritsen somewhere in the middle. I would. He's a bad. He's not a good dude. Yeah, he's in the middle. But he's in the middle. He's a mid-range hitter. And then I would maybe put Baskin's new husband somewhere in that middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's that. He's just trying to stay alive. He's trying to stay alive. He's trying to protect his wife. And I think he likes a good fight with like a redneck who's like, I'm going to take you down. And he also likes to be on a leash. Right.

Where do you put Bill Sugar? What was his name? Burt Sugar. I put him in the middle. I put him in the middle. Put him in the middle because he was like, you're staking your claim to this piece of trash. I'm going to tell you right now.

Don't open your mouth. I'll try to make him understand. His teeth are more like this. I'll try to make him understand. I have the food. No, it's more like this. I tried to make him understand. He got on his teeth. I tried to make him understand. He can't even breathe through his nose because he has destroyed

all the nasal passages. You're right. Yeah, that's it. Ran his coffee now. Yeah, no, that guy, he's somewhere in the middle, but he's heading up the hate ladder. He's literally one month away from speaking out of here.

Doing a trick? Trick you out of me? Yeah, he is like that. He's in the middle for me, too, because he's just bad. Now we're into the top tier. He's bad because he hitched his horse to this guy. Top tier. Joe is my number one.

Joe is your way. Top tier. On your way up to the top tier. On the way up to the top one. Joe is your way. Wait, wait, wait. Top tier. On your way up to the top tier. On the way up to the top tier. Carol's in there. Carol's in there because Carol Baskin, she's at the bottom. You put her below Doc? Yes.

Yeah, because Doc's ruining lives. So Carol to me. Human lives and animal lives. Carol to me, not knowing the names of her volunteers and not paying them money. Yeah, but at least they get a free t-shirt on them. That's true, Dan. That's true. All right, I take that. No, but not knowing the names of the people and not paying them money. Yeah, but at least they get a free t-shirt on. That's true, Dan. That's true. Alright, I take that. Not knowing the names of people and not paying them any money means that she's a terrible human

being, especially in this day and age when she's making thousands and thousands. Just the fact she rides her bike without a helmet. And has the helmet hanging from the bike too. If you're not going to wear it, don't leave it on the bike. So she clearly didn't have it on the bike. She's like, I don't want this.

I want my hair to be what it is. It is highly probable that she murdered Don Lewis. I put Don Lewis right above her because Don Lewis started a relationship. All he did was cheat on all his wives. Cheat on his wives. By comparison, I'm saying all he did. Cheat on his wife and go after, literally, as he's driving, like in a predatory way, go after a crying

girl on the side of the road. Not to be like, hey, do you want any help? I'm going to tell you that worked out for Carole Baskin. Hold this gun on me and this will foretell what our relationship is. You can't put him above Carole Baskin. In the worst, on the higher. I'll put her on the low. I'll put her right below Carole Baskin.

So, Carole is awful. Don Lewis, then Carole Baskin, then Doc Antle. By the way, all the women that Doc Antle has, they're down with... I think it goes Jeff Lowe, then Doc, then Joe Exotic. Yeah. Jeff Lowe is terrible. Jeff Lowe is awful.

And the second he put a cub in a suitcase and rolled it through the lobby. If that guy walks up to you in the attire he normally wears and you agree to give him money, something's on you. It's on you. He does not look like a businessman. What about him makes you think he can run a business? His affliction bandana?

He's got full pockets, I can tell, because they're hanging out through the rip. You look like you're at the Sturgis Festival 365 days out of the year, and you don't know how to ride a motorcycle. You look like you get your ass kicked at the Sturgis Festival for wearing those pants. I will answer my own question before we go to break. My most hated part was the baby tigers

and they're pulling them out. Pulling them out, yep. And I didn't even have to watch it. You couldn't even watch it. And I watched it and I couldn't handle it. I think Joe Exotic is the worst. He is the worst. He is the worst.

There is a tragedy to him. And I will say growing up gay in Oklahoma or wherever he grew up. I'm sure he went through some not. There is a tragedy to him. And I will say growing up gay in Oklahoma or wherever he grew up, that is some trauma, but I'll tell you something. There are a lot of people who grew up gay in Oklahoma who didn't ruin many animals lives and many people's lives. Just because you went through a hard time. It is not easy. We're not saying it is simple, but it doesn't need to make you a monster. You don't have, you don't, it's not, it doesn't absolutely translate into you becoming that guy. And also he never dealt with any of his problems or issues. He blamed them all on Carol Baskin, who is, by the way, not a great person,

probably murdered her husband, probably, probably murdered her husband, who in my opinion, probably deserved it because he was a bad person in his own right. But like maybe it didn't deserve to be murdered, but like, you know, they, he probably was not great to her. I'm sure he wasn't.

And she, she got rid of him. And now she has this, she's not paying her workers. It's fishy. What's happening. His family doesn't even have a couch. I mean,

I will say this. I will say this, Dan, I felt when he, that was my favorite scenes too. Hey, you want us to shoot these in two separate chairs? No! Climb into that love seat together.

Chair and a half. Chair and a half is for one person. That's why it's a chair and a half. It's not a two-person chair. And mother and daughter who looked the same age. I know. She's only 14 years older than that. If that doesn't describe. If that doesn't describe.

That's a metaphor for their whole lives. Two people having to sit in a chair and a half. That is the metaphor for Don Lewis's family's life. It's fun to laugh at other people's problems. Oh, man. No, I think that Carol, there was a joy that I felt when I saw this guy. And I don't even like Carol Baskin. I'm just saying, when this redneck douchebag was like shooting dummies and blowing up trees and saying, I'm coming to get you.

I'll put your bitch head in this thing. That was like threat. In a jar. Throwing out threats. I don't care. Throwing out like actual violent threats. Like they were t-shirts at the halftime of a Clippers thing. If someone, if somebody threatened you publicly,

put it on the thing. Over and over again like that. You'd be like, kill this son of a bitch. No, no, no. What she did. Throw him in jail. What she did was almost worse than killing him. She kept him alive.

She kept him alive and she took all his money and she roped him into some big thing. She's like, I got more resources than you and you're going to go down. And the more you fight me. I got my resources. So he went into a tiger cage and he got taken down. He got bit and he got taken down.

And there was some joy in that shot. So again, it is Joe Exotic, Doc Antle, Jeff Lowe, Carol Baskin, Don Lewis. And then we're off into the other thing. No, Tim Stark's up there too. He's shitty too. Tim Stark is maybe ahead of Carol Baskin. Well, let's take a quick break.

Okay, we'll take a quick break. And then we'll take a quick break and then we'll find out where they are. We'll just do a quick wrap-up of where everybody's at. All right, guys, this is so much fun. It's the Terry Kane episode and wrap-up of the whole series. It's six and seven in the whole series. Dumb People Town, stay with us. Stick around, make a sound. There's more Dumb People Town.

Hey, guys, welcome back to the show. Final segment. Dan's got some updates. Thank you to all the new people. We did this fantastic benefit this past weekend. I hope people are giving to that. Comedy Gives Back. It was a chance to sort of help out people like us

who have lost a ton, although it didn't help us out, but it like helps out people like us, comedians who make their livelihood on the road, which that's a huge portion of what both of us, all three of us do. We've lost a lot of money and we know people who've lost even more.

And so we wanted to give back and we did like a short 10 minute segment in there, a Dumb People Town, one story. And it was great. And I think it got a lot of new people onto this show. So if you're a new person on the show, what we really do is go three stories and we go through all of them. This is sort of an atypical episode, but we encourage you to go back

and listen to some of the older episodes we have in our catalog and just get an idea for what the show is. And we really appreciate all the new people that are here. Dan, let's wrap this thing up. Here we go. Some of these are coming from Netflix. I'm going to read some of these tweets. Hey, all you cool cats and kittens. If you finish Tiger King, here's where are they now? Wait, wait, can Netflix say that? That's her phrase. Netflix is going to put those words together. Joe Exotic was sentenced to 22 years in prison.

He's representing himself in his latest lawsuit against the feds in which he demanded $94 million for false imprisonment, false arrest, perjury, and entrapment. He'll get it. Jeff Lowe still owns and operates the Wynwood Animal Park with his wife, Lauren. How is Jeff Lowe still owns and operates the Wynwood Animal Park with his wife, Lauren. How is Jeff Lowe still walking this earth? According to an update from Lauren on Instagram, she and Jeff are still together and planning on opening their next zoo in Oklahoma in the summer of 2020. So this is the moment where I say I don't like the internet when it's trolls are out, but Jeff Lowe, he should get a couple of death threats. I think that's okay.

I think that's what I'm going to say. If you're out there and you want to give Jeff Lowe some death threats, I'm fine with that. By the way, here's what I say is that they're building their zoo and part of me is like, great, I'm glad COVID-19 is going to keep people away, but then I'm like, it's Oklahoma. They don't even have a shelter-in-place

law, I'm sure, right now. Let them all communicate. Maybe this will be the way we wipe all those people out. As for Carol, after seeing the series, she took the Big Cat Rescue blog to refute any insinuations that she might have killed her husband. She claimed... Oh, good. It's

coming from you. She called the claims that she fed her late husband to the cats the most ludicrous of all the lies, which means she's admitting there's a lot of lies. Doc Antle still owns and operates Myrtle Beach Safari with his partners. As of March 28th, the park remained open.

No. That's the 28th of March. The 28th of March, okay. He said, quote, 50-acre preserve provides plenty of area for social distance. Oh, shut up. As for Rick Kirkman, our bird sugar guy. Rick Kirkman, bird sugar guy.

Kirk Ham. The reality show producer. Kirk Ham. Yeah, Kirk Ham. He was shooting Joe's show. He currently lives in Norway with his wife. According to Variety, he's making lots of reindeer stew and working on a documentary about a man with an exciting double life.

Are you that guy, Rick? I'm working with a man on an exciting double life. Things are looking up for Joe's ex-husband, John Finlay. He got new teeth. Yep. He has new dentures and is working as a welder. He lives with his fiance, Stormy. Oh, Daniels.

Despite remaining relatively quiet. Is that a man or a woman, Stormy? I think it's a girl. Assuming it's a woman. It's not the one he left the park with and got pregnant, but good for him. She was the secretary. Despite remaining relatively quiet on social media, Joe's current husband, Dylan Passage, recently posted,

I'm still married to Joe, but my social media platform isn't used for any Joe things. Oh, so he's got other stuff he's trying to promote. Yeah. Yeah. Album. Yeah. I wanted to tell you guys.

Oh, here we go. Here's another thing. This is from Robert Moore, who did a full podcast all about Joe a few years ago. One, Joe did not write or sing any of those country songs. Okay, so see. This is from at Robert Moore. Who sang them?

M-O-R underscore, I will tell you. It was an outfit called the Clinton Johnson Band. Joe just sang softly over the top of the vocal track. Oh, the Clinton Johnson Band. That Clinton Johnson Band done took everything away from me. Clinton Johnson, two democratic presidents of our country. Before Joe married John or Travis, he married another young straight guy named J.C. Heartpiece.

Heartpiece later served time in prison. J.C. Heartpiece should have been the country outfit that did his songs. I know, I know. He's now in prison, Heartpiece? At one point, this person, Robert Moore, was investigating the fire at the zoo when he when he interviewed a police officer from the winwood police department okay now what do we

hear yeah the next day he got a call from joe furious saying that he had gotten a call from brian that's the police officer he wanted to know what he was asking about when he said to joe how why is the case officer on the case in which you are a suspect calling you to say a reporter asked about him and joe said well he's also my limo driver joe was in yes so who's his limo driver the cop one night robert moore who wrote this all this stuff uh said one night in 2015 joe and i were walking through a walmart when a portly bespeckled young gay man walked up to joe shook his hand and thanked him for being the only out and proud gay man in many miles while he was growing up. That kid was Josh Dial, who later ran Joe's campaign. That's right.

And lost his teeth doing so. That's the thing. I hate to tell you this. I lost my teeth trying to run this campaign. This comes from at JT underscore the number four S-T-E-R. Joe Exotic's campaign manager, Josh Dial, could have had his own segment on dumb people town. Okay.

This is from K-T-E-N in Oklahoma. Oh, good. So you know it's true. Oklahoma. A Paul's Valley man is behind bars. This is from 2017. He's behind bars. After police say he attacked another man with a sword,

Josh Dial was taken into custody for allegedly cutting Paul Howerton with what appears to be a ceremonial sword that has a blade almost two feet long. Yep. The pair told police they argued and dial started swinging. Howerton was taken to the hospital with a large cut in his arm. Dial is charged with aggravated assault and battery. Josh. Josh.

Once he started getting that bad teeth and new hair, he's like, I got to see. He sold ammo at Walmart. He probably spent at least a sword ceremonial sword for a long time. Joe told everyone ceremony. Would that be for a bris? Yes.

Bar Mitzvah for a long time. Joe told everyone he What ceremony would that be for? A bris? Yes. Bar mitzvah? For a long time, Joe told everyone he was dying from prostate and bone marrow cancer. He raised money from his Facebook fans for his expenses. He showed a horrifying picture to this guy, Robert Moore, but later Robert learned that all he had was an infected prostate, dehydration,

and a bad outbreak of the herpes. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus. It's horrible. Who's that? Joe Exotic. Lastly, Joe Exotic joe exotic one of our most biggest things we'll get out of here in this yeah some people are asking thank you by the way at robert moore underscore is he or did robert moore put this out into the universe not to us yeah okay good some people and this this is only 10 of like 17 facts he gave that you wouldn't know. Some people are asking, what was that weird warehouse James Garrison was sitting in? That's all of us.

We were asking that. I know. I know. No sign on the thing whatsoever. Just a purposely no sign. Maybe I should give you two more quick little facts. Yeah, do them. Okay.

James Garrison was sitting in. It was a place he owned called, wait for it. And that's literally what it's written here because Robert knows how to sell this, Tiger Liquidation. You can see it on Google Maps here. People have lost their stuff. He gets it and then he sells it. Two odd facts about Rick Kirkman.

One, before meeting Joe, he made a film about his addiction to crack cocaine. There you go. I knew it. I knew it. I can't open my mouth because I got burned by a pine. Two, after the zoo fire, Rick moved to Dallas. Then his house mysteriously burned down, almost killing him. He fled to Norway, where he now lives.

We already knew that. Rick's house almost burned down? Yes. After Don Lewis vanished, but before Carol married Howard, she dated a guy named Jay Bakel. Okay. In 2002. Where'd this guy go?

I call him the everything Bakel. Jay Bakel filed a restraining order against Carol, which included some bizarre and suspicious sounding details regarding Don's disappearance. You can find it on there. It just says that he was afraid for his own life and she was worried that bones were found on his property. Oh my God.

I know. So this could be the guy who had, how come we don't find out from him? Jay Bagel, speak up. Where are you at, Bagel? I don't know. I don I know. So this could be the guy who had, how come we don't find out from him? Jay Bakel, speak up. Where you at, bro? Speak up, Bakel. I don't know. I don't know.

He goes on to have facts in here about other people that Joe Exotic knew, like this guy who was this hit man living in Dallas. That's how Joe had him saved on his phone. I know. I think that's kind of all we have here. There you go. So there is going to be one more episode of the show. There's more, though. People can go check them you go. So there's going to be one more episode of the show.

There's more, though. People can go check them out. Well, there's going to be one more episode of the show. I'm sure it's going to be somewhat of a wrap-up. Maybe we'll work that into our next episode. Yeah, it might be a mini. Yeah, it might be a mini. This has been a blast going through this with you guys.

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