Dumb People Town - Naomi Ekperigin & Andy Beckerman - You Just Gotta Be Damp

Episode Date: June 21, 2019

This story has everything: Florida, nudity, a car chase, and a colorful baseball bat. Listen in! 

Skypains out of here. Couldn't make this up So listen to our podcast jam With co-host Armand Dan Banders, don't be a jerk Let's let the music catch the funny hits And we are gonna take you down Stick around, make a sound Up or down, it's Dumb People Town Hey townies, welcome to a Friday episode of

Dumb People Town Population you Population you. Population Beck Paragon. Oh, baby. That is a combination of the last names of our two amazing guests, Naomi and Andy from Couples Therapy. Couples Therapy. Podcast.

I assume that you guys have dealt with a lot of dumb stuff in Couples Therapy, just in the podcast. In the podcast? In our own Couples Therapy? In your own Couples Therap your own couples therapy oh yeah in life as an interracial couple yeah i'm sure people just can't handle that in any way shape or form people don't think we're together like literally we got into a lift and the lift driver was like do you know are you did you both order this at the same time he was shocked yeah so they think that he works for you. No, see, I think they think I'm his nurse.

I mean, you do wheel me around. That is odd. And you are holding a bag of an IV with an eye above his head. Wherever we go. That is amazing. And he was like, now, which one of you is Naomi? They're like, shut up. Now you're way too confused.

I'm assuming. Look, as twins, we get it all the time. People are like. We were just saying this on stage last night, that when people see us together, even though we're not dressed alike, even though when they see us. Two people that are 47 years old. They're like, they treat us like we're in a stroller. Oh, my God. You're so, can i hold one of you no how old are you 47 months no we're 47 year old grown men you guys are so

do you live together no no we don't live together what do you think we live in the fucking keebler elf house do they pull out matching outfits for you? No. They want us to be wearing matching outfits. So again, we understand that initial snap judgment of like, what? Why is this? I don't understand. This is too much for me to handle. How could these two people love each other? You mean because they can? Because life is

beautiful and anything's possible, bitch. Thank you. That's what I say. Thank you. Which would have been a better name for the movie Life is Beautiful. Life is Beautiful and Anything's Possible It's a possible bitch Look I know I know it's a Holocaust movie

But I mean Come on Anything's Possible bitch I mean this guy was a clown Through the whole fucking night That's right Alright well the world Is getting dumber

As we really contest And we believe that The only way to fight back Is through comedy And our great fans Send us these unbelievable stories That Dan breaks down Daniel how you doing buddy Good my friend Let's jump into one because we have these lovely andy and

naomi here let's do this sent in by joe latrell at the gentleman joe this guy sends in great stuff uh dade city tampa from tampabay.com so we're in florida and they know it too this is the first line of the article this this the story starts as many tend to do in pasco county with nudity out the gate this person is sick of writing this this is the same day this this uh the person writing this article gave their two weeks you know they wanted they wanted to start the article with here we go go again. Here we go again, Tampa. We're back at this naked. Remember we had that article a long time ago. Somebody just kept being really mean. Like, this idiot walked in.

Like, this dolt. I was like, you are done with this job. Right. Three naked women were spotted Wednesday afternoon at the northbound Interstate 75 rest stop. Which, you know, if you see three naked women at a rest stop, you know what that means. Make a wish. Six more weeks of summer. What? Make a wish. Make a wish. It means the flea market

is still open. This was done North Bound Interstate. By the way, I wonder if she calls her vagina the flea market. She or all of them. She does not. The rest stop area in Wesley Chapel just south of State Road 54. Add that to the dumb people town walking tour.

Honey, kids, I know it's been a while since we've peed, but we're just going to pull into this rest stop really quickly. David, why can't we just drive all the way through? I want the kids to be able to pee. What's the worst thing that can happen? Right. What unfolded next, according to the Florida Highway Patrol, was not just another bizarre tale of the Sunshine State. The women led troopers on an hour-long chase east across Pasco, drove the wrong way, tried to drive over a trooper, and threatened another with a pink and purple metal baseball bat, according to the Highway Patrol. These women are out for keeps.

I don't give a shit. Pink and purple. Where do they get the baseball bat from? Where were they storing it? I don't know. Well, you'll find out. But maybe the baseball bat, do we know that it wasn't like

for breast cancer awareness month? Because it is pink. That is nice. A dildo for breast cancer. That's a Susan G. Komen dildo. Right. Susan G. Komen brought you, sponsored this crime.

Okay, this is women going after cops and they're naked. This is the... come and brought you sponsored this crime. Okay, this is women going after cops and they're naked. This is the... Fully naked, rid of bad. Thank you. Reboot of Thelma and Louise. I'm into it. Thelma and Louise and Betty. It's like another woman in there. The incident ended about 20 miles away in Dade County when troopers said they rammed the vehicle

off the road in a school zone, stunned one of the women with a taser, and arrested all three. How do we know that this isn't en vogue? I mean, is that a question that we haven't seen in a while? Nah, this is some SWV shit. SWV? Sisters with voices and vaginas. Sisters with

violence. I'll give you anything. I get so weak in the knees, I can hardly speak. I lose all control. And something comes over me. Okay. Okay, TBK.

Okay, TBK. But meanwhile, like, that's what they're hearing as they're driving over a trooper. I don't think you want me to drive. The incident ended 20 miles a month. The driver Identified as Oasis Shakira McLeod

No way No way Why are you raising I'm saying yes Bitch Go girl That is an alias If I ever heard one

You're on board now It's not even a stripper name That is Oasis Shakira Please welcome to the state Oasis Shakira You want me to say all this Oasis Shakira McLeod That's state. You want me to say all this?

Oasis Shakira McLeod. That's right, guys. But in the standby, we got Janiyah McLeod. And then after that, don't worry about Cecilia Unique Young coming up on the main stage after those two. Cecilia Unique Young. Baby, baby, you are you. You are unique. There is no one else doing what you do except for. These are the people that you don't want to say you do you like these are the people who are like let's dial you back

right like an inch here i'm going to describe something else i want you to do that oasis mcleod sounds like a private detective right or like or like the i keep thinking of love boat so i'm thinking of like gabbyLeod of like a large cruise line. I'll read it straight up. The driver was identified as a waste of Shakira McLeod and the passengers as Jenny, Jenny, I am a cloud and Cecilia. I think it's a unique, unique. It's E U E U N I Q U E.

Unique. That's unique. I was trying to give it some panache. It was a unique. I got enough panache. That's the fourth one give it some panache. No, honey, I got enough panache. That's the fourth one. Panache. Panache McCloud.

Oasis, Jenny Aya, and Cecilia, all three face charges that include aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer, resisting arrest, fleeing to elude, and indecent exposure. The arrest report details Wednesday's events. Here we go. How long did, because it was three women, how long do you think they let it go on further?

Because if they're right dudes, like, they shut it down immediately. You tase them, you shoot them, you shoot the tires out on the car, and you just... Well, it all started when a rust stopped custodian. I mean, that's not... You don't brag about that. No, no. You're in between life. Dan, that's where

it goes at your own bit. Like, what are you doing these days? Right now? Right now. Right now? The little right now qualifier.

Anytime you start out with right now. I don't like what I'm doing right now. But I got big plans. It started when a rest stop custodian called the highway patrol.

Also, aren't you just doing like community service? Yeah. That's a rest stop. Yeah. Rest stop cust's a sentence the rest stop custodian has a broom and he's shooing people away from the glory hole like they're cats that's right yeah yeah Hey, get out! Well, the rest stop custodian called the highway patrol at 9.54 a.m. What the hell? He said he saw, quote, all three of them standing in the nude putting on suntan lotion.

Oh, baby. Okay, okay, okay. There's no resting at this stop. Lotion, not screen. No, lotion. What they want is to bake. The plan was to fully bake. Coppertone 4.

Coppertone babies. Coppertone 4 is what Ione foil. Baby oil. Just hot oil. What are they doing? A trooper arrived at 1024 AM. That's a half hour. It's not an emergency. And saw the naked women from the rest

out parking lot. They started dressing when they saw the trooper. Stay right there. Jenny Ia McLeod told the trooper. Stay right there. Jenny Yaya McLeod told the trooper. Not the cop. She told him, hey, I need you to stay right there. Sir, officer, do not get out of your car.

Do not get out of your car. I'm going to tell you what you're going to do. This is a girl with a lot... Again, you said this from the beginning. A lot of confidence. Oh, yeah. Oasis McLeod told a lot. I mean, again, you said this from the beginning. A lot of confidence. Oh, yeah. Oasis McCloud told the trooper they were, quote, air drying after washing up. The trooper saw they had a case of water and a bottle of soap. Oasis McCloud said they had left Cecilia Young's father's house in Lutz after an altercation and spent the night in the rest stop because they had nowhere else to go.

Okay, there you go. And I'm sympathetic to all that. But you don't need to take a parking lot shower no you also don't air dry that's right you damp you just gotta be damp you're close can air dry everyone's damp in florida thank you that's who you are all the all the time you're damp in florida is damp the women gave the trooper their names and dates of birth but ignored the trooper's commands to stay put. So they're like, how about we compromise? We'll answer your questions while we drive away. Yeah. Quote.

October 27th. I can't hear you anymore because you're... 1989. The quote from Jenny I. McLeod. We need you to leave. We need you to walk away. Leave, leave, leave. She says to the cops.

This is an SWB song. Like she's Billy Bob Thornton in Fargo where she's like, you're going to want to walk away from what you've done right here, officer. Walk away. Yeah. We need you to leave. We need you to walk away. Go. Leave.

Bye. Leave. I can't believe she didn't say bye in song. Yeah, it is. They are an R&B group. I can't believe she didn't say bye in the show. We need you to leave. Leave. Bye. Leave. I can't believe she didn't say bye in song. They are an R&B group. We need you to leave. Leave. Leave. Leave.

We need you to walk away. We walk away. She told the trooper they quote, we're going to walk away. So, okay, we're going to walk away. The trooper told them to stop. No, we're not, one of them said. All three women ran around the trooper, jumped into a, and I love it, 2009 Nissan Sentra with a New York license plate. There you go.

Oasis McCloud was the driver as the car sped off, forcing a pedestrian to jump out of the road as they sped out of the rest stop. Was Yackety Sax playing while this happened? 100%. Meanwhile, I bet that person didn't have to really jump out of the way. But they did it just because they're like- They're probably like way away from the car, but then the car whizzed by them. They're like, whoa! After it's by them, then they jump.

And then they show up at where the news crew is and be like, I don't know if you want to talk to me or not, but I almost got hit. I don't know if you want to talk to me. I almost got hit. I had to jump out of the road. I'm minding my own business, and these three naked women almost run me over. Sir, you were nowhere near the road. I was going to go towards the road. If I was near the road.

I jumped over these bushes because I had to. If I was near the road, why did I jump? I don't know. We don't know. Was it their Nissan Sentra or just a Nissan Sentra? Their Nissan Sentra. They got on northbound Interstate 75 and headed for State Route 52. The trooper started speeding after them.

By the way, a Nissan Sentra can only go about 58 miles an hour. Also finding this out now, the trooper, female, the trooper started speeding after them, but her superiors called her off because the circumstances did not meet Highway Patrol's pursuit policy. What do you need it to be? Four naked women. Four naked women. Panache. We needed panache. A driver on I-75 called 911 and followed

the Nissan. So now someone just... Another person. Just a person. It's not out of their jurisdiction, Dan. Called 911. It's like, I'm on them. Citizen's arrest. I see booty and I'm going after it. Followed the Nissan to SR-52 to San Antonio, Florida. Another trooper found the Nissan, reported seeing it drive the wrong way, then head east on SR-52.

So they were driving the wrong way on the interstate. Anytime you're in a state and the name of the city in the state you're in is not the recognizable one. Like Mexico, Missouri or Lebanon, Missouri. No, it's a bad place. San Antonio, Missouri or Lebanon, Missouri. No. It's a bad place. San Antonio, Florida. Not a good place. Hollywood, Florida.

Not a good place. A trooper managed. Now, this is the part where I'm like, I didn't know that we've upgraded to this. This is like some Batman shit. So another trooper catches up with them going the wrong way, I guess, and then getting off on another interstate this is where they say a trooper managed to fire a gps tracker onto the fleeing nissan which officials said allowed them to track them and

back off on the pursuit right they shot a like a magnetic gps tracker onto a car like the incredibles does liam neeson work in san an? I know. He's got a serious set of skills. I didn't think they would have that technology. Do you know what I mean? Underfunded. No one told us that you could shoot GPS trackers on the movie. All three of them were his daughters and they have been taken. Did a friend of his get beat up there?

Then he's coming. Liam Neeson, you know he has. He's working through things. I need you to deputize me. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Highway Patrol dispatchers in Tampa started tracking the car and radioing the position to troopers. So now you can literally just...

It's like Alfred. Why isn't that standard, by the way, in all police chases? Even in LA. Just shoot them with a GPS. Be like, all right, we'll see you later. Ready. We'll see you later. There should be no car chase ever again.

You can remove so much of, like, danger to the public. You'll stop somewhere, and then we'll get you. Right. Yeah, like, all right, well, we'll see you in a bit. See you in a bit. The Nissan pulled into a gas station on SR52 and Curly Road, and one of the women jumped out of the backseat and ran inside. Well, what I would do is I would shoot it with

the GPS and I would have the cop pull off on the side of the road, get out of the car and shake his fist. It's over. And then the person feels like... It's like the hidden ball trick that they pull off in that softball game. The girl who turned and faked like she threw to second base

and then they all dove like it went all the way out into center field, and the other girl started running, and then she ran over and tagged her because she didn't throw it. That's what they should do. You can do that? You can do that.

Totally do that. You can trick them. You can do it. You can see Rookie of the Year. Pretty sure they do it in Rookie of the Year. Two troopers jumped out of their cruiser and ordered the Nissan to stop. New sentence, it drove off.

Excuse me. I think they left someone. Leave. Leave. Leave. I think they left one of the girls at that gas station. One trooper drove off after it while the other ran after the fleeing woman. So now we've split up. We've lost one of our three. I think it's unique. I think we lost unique.

I think she's the one who was like, okay, I can't even stay in this car. We lost our uniqueness. The trooper tussled with the woman, which does not seem like you about to get hit. That doesn't even seem like the right jargon.

She's all greased up. They say who it was. It was... Please, Nick. You know you need unique New York. Okay, here we go. They just gave the last name, so I wanted to confirm that it was which one it was.

Okay, here we go. Ready? The trooper tells him about the woman. It was Cecilia Unini. Who kicked and scratched at him. Of course. And just as he got her on the ground, he looked up to see the Nissan driving right at him.

They came back for her. They're not leaving anybody behind. This is like naked home alone. He jumps. This is Saving Private Ryan. He jumped out of the way. Saving Ryan's private. He jumped out of the way,

then said Jennyaya McLeod got out of the car and threatened him with a metal bat. Seeing one trooper in danger, the other trooper used his cruiser to ram the back of the Nissan. Oh, my God. This is like Malachi Crunch stuff. All the women then got back in the Nissan and drove off again. What? There's nothing stopped. These women are like,

you will not leave. All they wanted to do, let's not forget, is air dry. That's all they wanted. But also, though, it was because they got into a fight with one of their dads, and now I'm seeing how that started. Do you know what I mean? Now we know who's fault that was. Go. He's like, go. And they're like, we

will. The women all got in the Nissan, drove off again. It fled east on SR 52, but ran over a tire deflation device being placed on the road by the Dade City police officers, blowing out the right side tires. That's what's going to happen. The pursuit finally ended when the Nissan entered an active school zone.

This is a diehard two. Outside Pasco High School, troopers said, while students were crossing SR 52, one of the pursuing troopers was authorized to use the PIT maneuver, which actually does stand for something. Does anybody know what PIT stands for? P-I-T. Pursuit Intervention Technique. Okay, well, you can knock it on the back.

And use the front end of his cruiser to knock the Nissan off the road. Should we take a break before we... Yes, let's do it it because now they're going to finally engage with these women. I love it. Okay, let's take a break and we're going to find out what the police do right after it. We've got Naomi and Andy from the great podcast Couples Therapy with us. We'll be right back with more

Dumb People Town right after this. Stick around, make a sound, there's more Dumb People Town. Alright, welcome back to Dumb People Town. People get your podcast anywhere and everywhere, is that correct? On Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast from. And what kind of stuff do you guys talk about? Stand-ups and just couples of any sort on the podcast?

Yeah, I think the main thing, we have a live show where we have stand-ups who are close to sets together about their relationship. Wow, that's great. And then we cut those up and plop them on, and then Naomi and I talk in between about our love. Yeah, and then sometimes we'll have guests, like people call in and ask us relationship questions, because we've been to therapy, so that counts. You guys are official therapists. Yeah, so licensed, fully licensed, And so we will answer your questions. I like to just pretend I'm Oprah in this situation.

Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, I have the answer. You will do what I say. You've given lots of cars away, is what you're saying. How did you guys meet each other in the world of comedy? Yeah. You know. We were in a show together at UCB, like, a decade ago.

Where else did you meet a sweet Jewish boy? Come on. UCB Theater, girls. It's in comedy. In New York. That was in New York. In was in new york yeah yeah and you guys i remember when you were coming you would just come out here i think we did a show like as you were moving out here yeah over at dynasty typewriter yeah yeah yep yep so good uh but yeah

that's awesome well you guys are here now all right yes we live here now okay okay couples therapy i want everyone to go check it listen to, check it out, and then subscribe to it because these guys are awesome. Dan, let's figure out what the hell is going on. All right. They engage. So they pit maneuver it off the old Santa Road. In front of a high school. Yeah, just off the Pasco High School.

I'm going to take my Sentra to the old Santa Road. But the woman, the women, sorry, refused to leave the Nissan and instead locked arms, as though they are protesting a tree being cut down. Can't nobody tell me nothing. A trooper used a taser to stun one of them, but I hope that it connected to all of them. Like the middle one to bring them all down? Yeah.

They are oiled, so this could work. The driver, Oasis, then surrendered. The women all invoked their rights to not speak to troopers. Smart move. Great, good. Oasis agreed to perform field sobriety tests. I thought you were going to say agreed to perform fellatio on all the officers. Including the kids in the crosswalk.

Immediately charges were dropped. Troopers said they discovered marijuana in her car. Jenny Aya said it was hers. So now they're getting into a Spartan situation where we're all saying it's ours. Marijuana does not cause you to do this. No. No, not at all. Marijuana is the thing that would cause everyone to de-escalate.

That's what I love, though. Or think that's a funny idea and then not have enough energy. That's what I love, though. Troopers discover marijuana. It's Oasis' car. They discover marijuana in the car. Jenny Aya McLeod said that it was hers, according to the arrest report, adding, quote, I bought it from a white guy

named Bubba. Well, good. That's good. Blame the white guy. And you know what, Dan? I would argue that if you opened any 2009 Nissan Sentra in America, you'd find marijuana. For sure. From a white guy named Bubba. How many white guys named Bubba live in Florida?

That's why you see them. So many. Do you know what I'm saying? It's literally like Bubba the Love Sponge. Isn't that guy? Yeah. I just imagined some Bubba guy being like, come on. Again?

I know. Also, then they had the troopers added that she was sarcastic during her interview. Which I love. No shit. Yeah. Okay. You mean the people who tried to run you over and hit you with a baseball bat? Right. Who were like, don't come closer.

I'm air drying. Leave. They were arrested about 11 a.m., taken into Advent Health Day Hospital to be checked out, then booked into the Pasco County Jail. Some troopers sustained minor injuries. The agency said though Pasco has been dubbed the

nudist capital of the world, did not know that. Okay, that changes the game. The arrest reports do not indicate that the women are linked to any nudist clothing optional communities. I think they should call themselves centras with voices.

Yeah. Except wait, at what point do they get clothed? No, never. You see what I'm saying? Like, they get taken to the hospital. Are they still naked? No, they got dressed in the initial run-up to the, they saw the cops and they start putting Oh, I don't know.

I don't know. I imagine. I thought they said they put their clothes on quickly. Oh, it did? I don't remember that. Oasis. Well, exactly. After they start to dress, then there's the chase.

Right. Isn't it tough to drive with your breasts in the way? I don't know. Oh, there's only one person who can remember that. Oasis. Well, exactly. After they start to dress, then there's the chase. Right. Isn't it tough to drive with your breasts in the way? I don't know. Oh, there's only one person who can answer that. Jason. Me. I mean, look, they're always in the way. I have put on some weight.

They're always in the way, no matter what you do. You learn to work around them. I think it's hard to run. 2 Chainz said money's in the way. And all women are like, breasts are in the way. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Breasts are in the way. Money in the way. So Pascoe's the nudist capital in the way. And all women are like, breasts are in the way. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Breasts are in the way.

Money in the way. So Pascoe's the nudist capital of the world. Let's take that, at least from this story. Oasis McLeod faces felony charges of aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer. She's my safe place, by the way. Aggravated resisting an officer with violence. Fleeing and eluding possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana and misdemeanor charge of DUI. I'm going to ask

you guys right now. We will get out of here on this. I believe there is a certain time of year when all three of these women are the exact same age. Okay, so guess the age. Because there's only two of them are the same age and one of them is a year apart. So there might be a time when all three of them are the exact same age.

Let's guess it. How old do you think these three women are? Give me the one number that you think they all are. You are the exact same age? Let's guess it. How old do you think these three women are? Give me the one number that you think they all are. You are a guess. You can go first, Tig, third, or fourth. Tig. I'm going to go Tig. Okay, so Jay, go ahead.

I'll go first. I think they're 34. 34 years old. What do you guys think? You guys can both. Old enough to know better, young enough to still pull it off. We're looking at each other with our eyes and making a decision. And then Andy will state our choice. Oh, you guys are together.

Okay. This is almost like a court decision. Do you want to try to say the number together? Sure. 27. Nice. Jay, what'd you say? I said 34.

They're Saturdays returning. I'm going to say, yeah, dude, that is a really good call. 27 is like, you still, I say 24. 24. 24. 24, 27, 34. 34. All right 27 is like, you still I say 24 24 24 27, 34 All right, townies, we're going to leave you here Thank you for joining us on another Friday episode Thank you to our guests

Yep, go check out Couples Therapy Couples Therapy Thank you, Andy, thank you, Naomi All right Oasis, Shakira McLeod Jenny, I am McLeod And Cecilia, uniqueira McLeod, Jenny Aya McLeod, and Cecilia Unique Young. She's unique, man. Are

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