Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 265: David Arquette

Episode Date: May 1, 2018

The great David Arquette joins the DTFH and we talk about growing up on a commune, narcissism, Marlon Brando blow jobs, simulation theory and meditation.

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This beautiful mansion has many stories, tales, some good, some bad. Many members of my family were married here. Many members of my family were buried here. It is here that my uncle French gotten a duel with a mud woman. He defeated her in this duel, but they say a curse was placed upon my family, especially the manor house here. And ever since, we've had to deal with this infernal echo. The echo of the spirits is what my grandfather used to call it. It might be something in the architecture. It might be something in the lime that was used in the walls of this place, but this blasted, ceaseless echo goes on and on and on. There's so many rooms in this sprawling estate. Some of them have been boarded up. Some of them seem to have been kicked open from the inside.

I try to imagine that the things I've seen here are just a fantasy. For example, last night, when I saw the woman out in the marsh beneath the flickering moon, veiny flaps of flesh hanging from her pulsating buttocks, that wasn't what bothered me. What horrified me was to watch her spray a blast of phosphorescent pollen spores from her massive genitals into the face of a raccoon that seemed to be inhaling these spores for some malefic reason that I could not understand. I will never be able to remove from my mind the vision of deer suckling at her breasts, sucking from them some vowness that I can only imagine tastes sweet, savory, and much like this island, infernal in a beautiful way.

Swarms of mosquitoes carried my brother away two years ago, my younger brother and all, and I come here to mourn him to light a candle at the family cemetery. Yes, there are candles there, but I light a candle, a wickless candle where you ignite the wax itself and smash it against the grave and watch the sizzling, simmering, burning wax plop down into the centipedes that seem drawn to his tomb. I won't go on much longer. My breath is short and feels as though my mind is caving in. I should not have opened the book that I found in that room. I should have not looked into its dark pages and read the things that are written there. I cannot get them out of my mind. Regardless, we have a wonderful podcast for you today with David Arcat.

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And they'll give us a small percentage of anything that you buy. It costs you nothing. We also have a shop with t-shirts, posters and stickers located at DuncanTrussell.com. All right, friends. We have got a beautiful podcast for you today. Our guest is a brilliant actor. You might have seen him on scream. He's also a wrestler. Not only that, but he is a really deep spiritual person who was raised on a commune and is connected to a family of supremely talented artists. Everybody, please open up your third eyes. Radiate as much love as you possibly can from every single chakra in your body and spray those sweet beams of chronic light to the astral manifestation of today's guest. Welcome to the DuncanTrussell family hour podcast, David

Arquette. Hey, man. You get stuck in these bodies. Yeah. And then the next thing you know, thank you so much for coming on the show. Hey, thanks for having me. I want to dive right into this. Let's do it. Tell me about Skymont. Wow. Yeah, man. So Skymont was a religious philosophy. It's called subude that my parents were part of toward the end of the 60s. They escaped New York, a whole hippie scene. My parents were hippies and they believed in this spiritual teaching by a guy named Bapak. It's called subude. It's a sound philosophy. You can be any religion and part of it sort of comprised of Hindu, Islam, and Buddhism. The guy who started Bapak started in Indonesia

Story Goza book fell from the sky and opened up and he could ask it anything he wanted. So he was a student at the time and Indonesia's really interesting place. One of the islands is Hindu. One is Islam. So he incorporated a lot of that philosophy into it, but it's really about finding what your true gift is in life and bringing it out into the world and making the world a better place. So all these families moved down to this remote area outside of Front Royal, Virginia. And like 30 families, and then he came to visit and he said, what are you doing here? This philosophy is not about isolation. If you're an actor, you should be out where they're producing plays and making films. If you're an artist, you should be where there's galleries you can

show your art at. So it's not really the idea to sort of... He wouldn't let you have a commune. No, he didn't want it. No, he didn't think it was healthy. Wow, that is so cool, man. And you met him. I had met him. Yeah. Oh, this is a funny story. When he visited Los Angeles, when we were living there, my mom was walking me. I was kind of getting a little like I was a baby. So I was crying and just so she had to walk me around. She was walking me in the stroller and then the door opened and it was bop bop. And he said, oh, he's here. And they took the baby and closed the door in my mouth. What? I just took the baby into the room. So I don't know what he said to me at that point.

I don't know if I've forgotten it. I don't even remember. I was a literal baby. Some kind of transmission. I mean, I was reading about it. It seems like it's based around a type of non-meditation meditation and experience of something. Yeah, there's something called... One of them says you're not supposed to solicit it at all. So you're not supposed to really talk about it here. I don't know. Well, is this considered soliciting? No, see, I'm not. So I'm not trying to... I'm just speaking my truth and I'm not really a member of it really, although if you're opened into it, you're a part of it forever or whatever. But so the idea is Ladihan. Ladihan is spiritual exercise and that's where men go into one room, women go into another and they surrender themselves to God. So whatever

that is for you, if it's being quiet, if it's breathing, if it's meditation, if it's screaming, if it's crying, if it's laughing, if it's dancing, whatever you do, you sort of roam this room and just kind of allow whatever's inside you to come out and... Are you alone? You're alone or you're with other people? You're with other men or other women and you take off all your jewelry and your shoes and you're just supposed to sort of connect with the higher spiritual level. Did you experience this? I have, yeah. And you felt this something happen? Yeah, definitely. I mean, you kind of feel it in your life anyway. I look for signs and like going around if I'm thinking about someone and then I see something about them or if you think about someone you haven't seen in a while and then they

turn up in your life, that kind of stuff. I always look for kind of little signals that I'm on the right track or doing the right thing. Yeah, and that's part of the sort of the whole... It seems like he was talking about the Holy Spirit or this sort of transcendent force that's everywhere that you forget about. Yeah, there's a lot of forces he talks about. Overall one is whatever the transcendent sort of God's spirit, but there's also the nafsu, which is sort of the negative sort of what I guess in Christianity you call the dark forces or Satan. Yeah, exactly. But like nafsu can come in different forms. It can come in money and it could come in greed, it could come in sex, it could come in addiction. So you sort of are aware of that. There's also

the vegetable force, which is like if you smoke a lot of weed, there's a lot of vegetable force in you. What vegetable force has to do with the sun and but also weeds, you know what I mean? It could have a negative aspect too. That's really interesting because Terrence McKenna used to talk about how plants produce these things called exo pheromones, which are designed that are the way the plants communicate with humans is through these exo pheromones. When you're smoking marijuana, you're in direct communication with the plant mind. I believe that. I buy all that kind of stuff. I think it's really there's so much going on that we don't understand that I could buy that for sure. This is sort of the religion you were raised in. Were you living in this one room cabin?

So you're living in a one room cabin with your family on a commune. And did they stick around after he came and said everyone should go? They packed up pretty shortly after that and moved to Chicago. Wow. Yeah, my sister was on and ran away. She moved in with a family that we knew in Los Angeles. So she had a sort of destination, but she hitchhiked at like 14 with a 16 year old friend of hers. She went out to Hollywood and made it on her own. She really. How old were you when this happened? I was just a baby. I was probably about three or four. Okay. So you don't really remember that? No, no. Yeah. No, I don't. I remember we sang this song like I see the moon and the moon sees me. The moon sees somebody I want to see. So God bless the moon and God bless me. And God

bless the somebody I want to see. And I always remember singing that, looking at the moon, thinking of my sister is on a while traveling because she always used to take care of me when I was younger. She was sort of like a little second mom. So how long was she just completely disconnected from the family when she ran away? Would she check it? She didn't really disconnect, but there was a lot of, my mother was a child of abuse and she was really abusive to us when we were younger and through the process of that religion and her, she, through the course of her life became a marriage family counselor later. So she really sort of looked at all this stuff that had happened in her life and what the causes were and sort of healed herself and helped heal other

people. So, so there was a really kind of troubling time at that point. And my parents were, you know, in over their head, a lot of how a lot of parents are just was rough. And, and my sister couldn't take it anymore. And they were kind of, she was going through adolescence and that whole thing. So she went out to Hollywood and literally went and just, you know, auditioned and went to a casting director's office. And it was for like a character who was played an epileptic who had epilepsy. So she was sitting there in the casting office. She didn't have an appointment and casting director came out at the end of the day and said, I'm sorry, we don't have you on our list. Oh, I'm sorry, just then she got on the floor and started like doing a whole epileptic seizure. And she got the

part because she was so like on it. And that led to everything. I mean, I think that one may have been a part where she worked with Betty Davis or something like that, right at the beginning of her career. You know, it led to a lot of stuff. She she got nominated for the executioner song was a few years later. But uh, yeah, she did some great, great work. Baby, it's you. Some of her early stuff is really amazing. Big blue. She's just, I can't say enough about Rosanna, because she's just such an amazing spirit. I don't know if you've ever met her. Have you? I've never met her. No, she's obviously aware of her. You'd be totally like, she's intense. And she's like, she's just a, she was a child of the hippie generation. Apparently she used to take us

to like no nukes, uh, you know, rallies and my mom marched with Martin Luther King. And so we all had that hippie thing, but she, um, she really loves like hippies. And she'd like worked at the Renaissance fair for years. And like, you know, she was, she was totally into she's the best. She was like, we went to this benefit concert one time, uh, in LA at the same place they do the golden globes and, and, uh, Bert Backer, I was playing and, and he's playing and everybody's just talking and clinking and like being in no respect whatsoever. She gets up in the middle. She goes, shut up. This is Bert Backer. This isn't some, some lounge act. I was like, Oh my God, my sister is such a baller. She's just so like

always fights for the little person. She organized the Lexus Arquette Foundation, Family Foundation, which is, uh, the charity she put together for my sister, Lexus. What's the charity? Yeah, the Lexus Arquette Family Foundation deals with transgender, uh, youth or LGBTQ youth and gets them free, uh, medical services and, uh, and, um, how long's that been around? It just started, but it's working with this lady named, um, Dr. Hagar, who's incredible. She's worked with you at UC, uh, USC and she's got a clinic downtown in the hospital and she's just remarkable. She's, you know, the, like the foremost doctor and, uh, uh, just, uh, unrape, like, child abuse. So she deals with the most hardcore things in the world on a daily basis and just

knows how to deal with it, knows how to keep them safe, knows how to keep the women primarily safe. Um, so she's just a hero. That's your, your entire family is, you, I mean, you come from one of like a famous family. Yeah, yeah. You have, you have artist genes, like it's all artist genes all the way through and you, all of you are actors, right? The entire, you have an entire family of actors. Yeah. So when you were being raised, was that part of the, of it? Would they get you to read lines or a little more improv? We did a ton of improv. My dad studied with Paul Sills. I also studied with Paul Sills and, uh, Viola Spohlen, my dad studied with, he was in the committee and, and, uh, taught at

second city in, in, in Venice and, um, he was just great. So when he went to, um, uh, Chicago, he really got more into sort of improv and then came out here and they did something called Spohlen players where, uh, it was Paul Sills, uh, you know, teaching all these or just, uh, I don't know, curating all these amazing improvisational actors. They'd put on incredible stuff. I mean, we once saw, um, there's one, uh, game called animal transformation where you're, uh, each person's given a different animal and then you act like the animal and then you bring it up to human form, but still maintain the animal characteristics. Cool. So it really gives you a wild, like, you know, if you're a bear or if you're a snail or if you're, in this case, uh, someone gave him a,

um, a caterpillar. So it was, uh, Robin Williams. He was a caterpillar and we were all watching him and he's like inching around and then they say, okay, now bring it up to human form. And he wrapped himself up in a curtain and then he came out and he was total flamboyant butterfly, which is just so like Robin Williams doing his thing, which he loved doing, but it was amazing. Like on this spur of the moment, my dad used to do, um, they used to like give a suggestion for the beginning and end of a poem and then they'd sort of all like come up with a beginning and end and then a poem in between, but my dad would always do haikus on the spot within like, you know, 10 seconds he'd come up with a haiku. Wow. Wow, man. What a rare birth. You ever, you ever, like, do you ever have

existential moments where you're just staying like, why did, why did, did I pick this? Do you, do you even reincarnation? Well, um, I do believe in reincarnation. I just found the same birthmark on my son Augustus that my dad had right on his hip, same shape, this little like pickle, we used to call it. It's just kind of so bizarre. I was like, wait a second, that's exactly the same spot. It was kind of bizarre, but, um, I think there's like always the combo of the parents and then this extra, you know, spirit in there or multiple spirits or whatever. But I had this trippy experience when my son Charlie was young, where I was, uh, how old's Charlie now? Charlie's four now. Augustus is one. One, yeah. Gotcha. And my daughter's almost 14, Coco. So I'm sitting there

with Charlie and he was still about even younger than one. He was recently born. I'm looking at him and I'm thinking about my parents and I'm thinking, Oh man, I wish mom and dad were here to see you. And then I got like, we're looking at you right now in my head. Like I was like, I was like, Oh, they're looking at me through his eyes. I was like, Whoa, this is a trip. I totally got that. And we get these weird like kind of things because my parents were so spiritual or, or it's all in our head. Not in your head. No way, man. Not in your head. Yeah. And, and, and I have that with my girlfriend, you know, and she, like my mom, my mom passed away with breast cancer too. My mom loves my girlfriend. She's got me, but like it's a very strange thing to

suddenly have the presence of a being come into the room and, and know, and you feel it. It's, it's, and I don't, I don't think people who, who haven't lost parents understand that that happens. And it's one of the strangest things. I don't think it's in our head though. No, no, you were asking also the gratitude of like, that's where I always found healing when I lost both my parents where when I got to a place at some point when I was just like, Oh, thank you. Thank you for making them my parents. Like that moment of gratitude is really healing in the, in the grieving process because then you're like, Oh, you know, it is bigger picture stuff. I think everything's like literal, like, you know, with time and space being what it is, that we're, it's a blink of the eye.

And this is another lifetime. You know what I mean? It's not like for us, we're on this like, you know, journey or whatever it is. But for everything else, like I, it's total legs. It's like, I'll see you in a second. You know what I mean? Because it's just like that you blink and it'll happen. And the funny thing about getting older is you realize time starts speeding up. Yeah, it's really a trip. You're like, when you're kids, you could spend summers of like, you know, having these crazy adventures climbing through backyards and you're finding all the stuff and it's like literally summer times took forever. Yes. And now you'll, if you just like turn away, you're like, Oh, wow, it's Christmas again.

I think it's almost quantifiable. Like I think if I, if I put my mind to it and went back to like how long a typical summer lasted when I was like eight or nine versus the summer now, I think a summer would last of a couple, at least two or three years of now time. Yeah, at least. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's different theories on that phenomenon. Have you ever heard, God, I guess I'm, have you ever heard McKenna's theory about like that? Or, you know, Taylor De Chardon, you ever heard of that guy? No, I'm not. So it's the idea we're getting like that, that time is being sucked into something like we're being drawn into something. So, you know, like, you see, you know, those dumb things like they haven't like targets or

they used to where you drop your coin in and it goes swirling around. Well, that's what's happening. So like time is literally speeding up because we're approaching this event called the singularity or the apocalypse. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's all part of the singularity in the whole thing. Yeah. Well, like, I mean, it's a deep woo woo shit. Yeah. Yeah. Neil deGrasse Tyson, he's gonna fucking roll his eyes and like, oh, he doesn't believe in singularity. I don't think no, it's just because it's to like, it's woo wooing in the sense that I think physics people who are into physics to be like, this is you're just a guy who smokes a bunch of weed, man. But the concept is essentially where technology is going. It's I guess the idea is like, okay, so for, you know,

however long humans were post proto hominid humans were just walking around and they'd see birds, birds can fly. Humans couldn't fly. They tried all this shit. They couldn't find something we could fly. You fly and now the whole terrain changed. Everything changes because now we see everything from above from planes and then satellites and that changes everything. The next thing that's going to happen because of technology, theoretically, is we're going to do the same thing we did with planes, but with time. So that's like a time machine, essentially, where it's basically going to punch a hole in time. And that's the singularity. It's a time machine. And when that happens, everything happens at once. And so we're getting sucked into that. And so that sense of

accelerating time or the sense of like shit, man, a year now was like a day. Yeah, that's going to keep getting faster and faster and faster. So it's like seconds and then we enter into whatever the next phase of human existence. I heard a bunch of these type like super tech people. I'll believe this is a simulation. Yeah, that's it. Simulation theory is a definitely part part of it. That's this concept. It's more likely we're in a simulator than we're not. What do you think about that? I could buy that. I think that's interesting. I mean, you know, who knows? I mean, I always had this question, like, what would you what would God do if God was bored if there is a God, right? We would create everything and like, you know, but then,

you know, what would happen? You know, everything would be what it is. Like we're all, I don't know, everything's being created anyway. So then if then if that's something's creating us, what makes it so that we're not that that's creating us, you know what I mean? Yeah. So then I don't know. It's like, it's like, we're like the crest of the wave of this creative intelligence that's pushing itself into time or all these little probisci or something, little nodes of sentience that are pushing into time. Well, I think everything is God, you know what I mean? The good, the bad, everything. Yeah, just everything's connected. Like everything, everything is just so much more connected than we know. And so much more like, like I do like, I don't know if you've

ever done nitrous or anything, but I had done it in the past. And, you know, there's definitely the moments of like, like little, I don't know if it's just a drug sort of affecting your brain, but making it feel like this is like, you know, there's, there's a connection of it like, I don't know that everything goes together and nothing really matters. And what really matters in our existence is love, having fun, being creative, you know, enjoying your life, having excitement, and, and, you know, not being a total asshole. Yeah. How do you do, how do you deal with like, do you have any techniques you use to reduce your asshole tendencies?

No, because I, you know, I go through these waves of like, they're doing really great. And like, you know, exercise is always great. I mean, I wish I meditated more. I mean, I've been to rehab a couple of times. So there's always like, what happens, what's great about rehab is you analyze yourself and you sit in a room and you have all these hours to sit and talk about, talk with other people and sort of get all these painful experiences off your chest and, and deal with them and face them and write things about them and all this kind of thing. You also, you have a lot of time to think, you have a lot of time to think on your own. You also get clear and you get clean. You get time to meditate and do yoga. So it really

kind of grounds you so you, and you get healthy, you're eating, you're exercising. So you come out kind of like just feeling better in general. Yeah. So when you don't, and if you don't stay sober, yeah, you, uh, where are you at with that right now? I, I'm up and down. I mean, I don't do any hard anything. So I'll smoke a little weed here and there. Um, I drink too much. I mean, I'll drink, you know, maybe, you know, three, four times a week, which is, you know, just too much in general. But what, what grabbed you when you were in rehab? Were you grabbed by one of the hard ones? What do you mean? Like the opiates where you sucked in like Coke or the opiates? I'm more of a drinker. I'm like, I'm just like booze. I know booze is

tough. It's real beer for you. No, no booze. Just like whiskey or scotch or vodka. Yeah. Yeah, it'll get you, man. That one's that one. I'll get you. It'll get you good in everywhere too. I know. I'm right on time. If you can kind of like moderate it, it's it's cool because then you don't if you, if you do it in a way where, you know, back in the day where you could just have a cocktail at the end of work and then just kind of settle down. But if you can't, or if you then do it like that for a little while, a little while being like a year or something, but then you start drinking a little more, then it's rough. I mean, God, don't you hate it? You just don't want to make mistakes and like regret. You're just like, sometimes I'll find myself drunk and like this happened to me

recently with this, a really good friend of mine. And I wanted to talk to him and not that I understand shit about feminism at all. But my girlfriend, it understands it in a really astute way and she's explained parts of it to me. And so I was trying to explain what she had just paired what she had said to me to my friend. Right. And like, you know, you have that clarity behind the drunkenness, like it's like you're a professor and this is going to come out fucking great. And then it's just like, you're going to see what feminism really is. This is awful. I'm ruining it. Like, I'm the worst thing that kind of in this moment, I'm one of the many awful things that can happen to that concept. That's why I hate about it. It reduces your ability to have philosophical

conversations, you know, you're fucking you start slurring your words. Coke, like just Coke talk is the worst. I always thought like Coke turns men into mice because I don't know if you ever smoked it, like you literally become a little like a crackhead. It's the worst. I did like a while a couple of times when I was younger. You were smoking crack. We did. Yeah. Yeah. I have some friends who are smoking crack. She used to tell me her lips would get all burnt and shit by it. Oh, it's the worst. It's so you got burns on your lips. No, I didn't go that hardcore. I mean, I would do it like stupidly, but I do it and then, you know, then way down the line, do it one more time or a few times, but not. But it's just terrible. It's just a horrible like, it really

makes you into the way dogs act toward food. It's like, oh, God, fucking need that food. It's really like, it's, it's, it's, that's so crazy. This is different from what I've heard about it. I mean, most people say it's like great. Like the, most people say it's the best thing never happened to them. You're getting into cocaine. They're like, most people are like, my life got much better when I started doing cocaine. So it's really odd. I'm just kidding. By the way, I'm completely the most colorful person in the world. That's how I started was convinced to smoke in the first place. I'm literally, I don't know when people are being mean to me at a table. When people are like being like snot, we had a brief conversation about this.

I have no like dick gate are like, it really has to be like, what's up? Like a confrontation when we're about to fight. Right. Okay. That's great. Oh, I apologize for that. No, please do. Please like, keep trying to sneak them in there. See if I go for it again. No, man, cocaine, like I'm lucky because I don't like cocaine. The one thing I know that would kill me is heroin. So I've never done it. But, but, um, cocaine, I just, my body doesn't like it. It's when I snored it, I get like, almost like an instantaneous ecstasy depression. Like I'll do it. I'll feel that thing. You know, where you're like, Oh my God, get the hate me. We call them the hate me is quick. And it happens so quickly. It's like, my brain just doesn't work well with cocaine,

which is interesting. You know, I was talking to, I went to this maps conference, you know, maps. It's the multi disciplinary association for psychedelic studies. Oh, cool. And they're the ones who are getting MDMA prescribable by 2022. You know, there's all these like, psychiatrists and doctors and psychologists who come to these. I love talking to scientists and doctors about this shit because that really kind of breaks it down. Yeah. And they're such like, they're so excited right now because you know what they're there, some psychedelics, they can really like heal depression. They can really heal like addiction and they're starting to find out the mechanisms of addiction through some of these psychedelics. But one of the things this

guy was telling me is that they're kicking around is genetic testing that they can then tell you, Oh, here are the drugs you don't want to fuck with. Here are the psychedelics that aren't going to really work, might not work well with you just based on your genome because the way everyone processes these chemicals is completely different. It's fascinating. That is really cool. Yeah. I think that'll open it up to like a better understanding. I mean, right now is everything so fucked up. Are you do you struggle with depression? I do. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I do. You know, I mean, I have a pretty good outlook on life and it doesn't get me down that often. But when it does, it becomes pretty dark. And, you know, I get bummed out. It creeps in

kind of like it starts slow. You just kind of ignore it. And the next thing you know, you're like, yeah, it's definitely in my family too. Like my father had it and and his father and his father. Well, my family goes back to vaudeville. So like they were that this little rinky dinky vaudevillian group and a little team in Toledo, Ohio. And my grandfather Cliff Arquette was part of that. And he had learned like a lot of the sort of vaudevillian things. So he then went to New York and became famous on radio. And then radio died. And he was sitting back watching the Jack Parr show on time. And Jack Parr said, whatever happened to Cliff Arquette, I mean, whatever happened to Charlie Weaver, because that was the character he played. And he was like,

he spit out his scotch, which my grandfather, Charlie Weaver, had built a kid's toy. That's an actual bartender. He shakes up a martini. He pours it into a martini glass. He drinks it. His nose turns red and smoke comes out of his ears. And this was a toy he manufactured in China, and then brought it over here. And it was like this huge funny toy. They got to bring that back. I know, it's really, it's really cool. And yeah, so he heard that and he called up Jack Parr. He said, I'm still here. I'd love to come on your show. So then he put a like a visual look to the that's him right there. It's a tattoo. Yeah, so he used to read letters home to mama, which was his big thing. And he had a funny thing where he was kind of like a dirty old

man in a sense, but it was all very clean. But he could get away with saying things that a lot of people couldn't. Cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So vaudeville, man, and it's in your family, huh? Depression. And then my grandfather, his father, Cliff's father actually killed himself. Oh, shit. Yeah. So that's a something to watch out for, man. Totally. You got to be aware of those demons, that voice in our heads, that negative voice that's trying to attack us all the time. Yeah, yeah, it's it's nofsu. Yeah, exactly. Do you do you? So how does it come about for you? For me, when I get depressed, it's like I go numb. Like that's how I know it's starting, because I stopped feeling like I go into this numb, numb spot. And then I start getting sleepy

all the time. And then I don't want to get out of bed. And then I get plastered to the bed. And then I want to start pissing in the bed. Because I'm so that's when it's, I mean, it's only a few times in my life where it's like, I'm paralytic. How does it happen with you? I don't know. I guess maybe I start drinking too much. It's pretty much or that adds to it or whatever it is. And then I think I start arguing with my, you know, whoever I'm with at the time and that kind of stuff. Drunk fights. Yeah, I mean, it's usually not what I'm drawing. Well, I guess sometimes, yeah. Well, it's like fights, like, just like, just being a dick, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's just, I don't know. I just kind of like, sometimes I just get so

fed up with, you know, what's going on in this business or whatever it is. It's just like, you know, my dad was an actor for 45 years. So for us, it's like this kind of like, I don't know, it brings up all this stuff, you know, that my parents used to argue about that. When me and my wife argue about it just grinds me like so much. I'm like, I can't repeat the relationship my parents had. I just can't. Like you mean arguing over like Hollywood business problems? Drinking too much Hollywood business problems, just minor stuff working or like making money, whatever it is, you know what I mean? But it's just, I mean, this is where I just feel it's all a waste of time. Like everything's a waste of time because we could be dead in any

second. So if you're sitting here having your argument, we're just wasting it. It's just wasted time. Like let's either not argue and just, you know, I know people have to be heard and, and you know, you don't want to want people to feel fulfilled, fulfilled too. So you can't just be completely narcissistic, but it was funny. I was always obsessed with narcissists and the fact that we have a narcissistic president is insane. But I've always been amazed by them because they have this ability to not give a shit about anything. They're like, you know, that's what heroin does. Heroin just makes you fucking not care if you shit your bed. You're like, right, feels warm. You know what I mean? Fuck. Yeah, it's like, it's, it's insane. Yeah. Because

you have no fucking care for anything. Yeah. And that will include your kids or, you know, your own life. You, you know, sometimes I often think people accidentally kill themselves, not even that accidentally. They're just sure. Most of the time they try to get sober, they relapse, they do as much as they used to be doing. And it's too much for that. That's the classic right there. Or the other classic is keep doing it long enough. Your body can't take it anymore. So you die at, you know, 50 lots of ways to do it. I don't, I can't remember. It's some comedian. I wish I could remember names. I'm sorry if you're listening. I'm so sorry. She had a joke about how she realized that she was actually trying to break up with her

boyfriend by suicide. You know what I mean? She's in such a shit relationship. She was like, she's rather die. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Then break up. By the way, that's how a lot of people do it. I think that's how a lot of people end up in jail. I'm convinced as well. Yeah. I think that's, that's a lot. I think love and like passion and all that stuff adds to a lot of this. Oh my God. I mean, this is the statistic everyone says because you're like having a gun at home, they're like, that increases your chance of getting shot by someone you love or by shooting yourself. I swear. I mean, I, you know, I've never really been suicidal, but I have looked at you know, off a balcony a few times. Oh, me too. Could I? Me too. Just, oh, it's like what, what I

did. It's the worst. It's so sad. And it's so like, I don't know, I just feel so bad for, you know, like a soldier a day or something like, or like second, like every, it's just so painful. Well, it's like one of the things Ram Dass talks about when he talks about suicide is what we want to do is, is, is, it's not that we don't want to kill our physical body, but the mask that we're wearing, we've gotten confused into thinking that's us. And when people kill themselves, you know, it's this, they've become very identified with this aspect of their personality that they think is the totality of their personality, just one little piece of what you are. So, and so, so the idea is like, Oh, we can annihilate you. You can, that, that thing can be transformed. We can get

some space around it, but you've been believing like ancestral like pain, but absolutely. Yeah. So that it's not going anywhere. So it's past, you're passing it on, you know, you pass it on to your children or, or, you know, other generations, hot potato until you deal with it and face it. That's what was pretty amazing about what my mother did, although in her abuse cycle had left some for us to deal with. That's right. Well, I mean, and that's that, that's what you just said. I was talking to someone, you know, because the idea is like, let's find. So the first time I interviewed these Ram Dass people, I was, I was raging and I was like, you know, violent revolution. When are we going to the streets? How are we going to, and they're

like, I remember he's like, Duncan, look what you're doing. You're creating a, an us and a them and you've created this big separation here and the idea is we're not an us or then we're all a one. Yeah. And so I was talking to someone, I think it was someone related to maps about these motherfuckers who come out in the Darth Vader costumes and beat people and spray them when they're marching, you know, those people, they're like, who are they? Just the cops, the fucking beating the murderous cops, the cops who are like into it. And they pointed out, you know, those guys, they were abused as kids. They have PTSD. And what you're really looking at there is not so much an evil person is kind of the condensation of millennia of suffering, bubbling into time

in the form of these people beating other people. Right. So that's what trauma is, you know, it's just what you're saying. It's like a, it's like a drip, drip, drip of pain coming, coming from the ancestors. Right. And yeah, and killing yourself. All that does is like transfer the, the trauma to the people around you. Yeah. I mean, oh, if you ever seen anyone, I mean, it's been in a funeral like that. It's just so, I mean, you go walk into the Van Gogh Museum. Have you? Oh my God. Have you ever been to the Van Gogh Museum? No, I have not. It's amazing though, because it's beautiful, aren't everywhere, but everybody's like this. Yeah. Oh, it's such a like a vibe like, I don't know, but that's a painful type of a funeral. I can't even imagine

everyone's feels guilty, right? Is that what it is? It's like, we could have done something. Oh, yeah. And oh, it's just so sad when, when it happens, but you can't, but I've been told you, you can't really do anything. That's a, that's a myth. Like there's, if somebody decides they're going to kill themselves, it's like cancer. It's like any others, they're going to kill themselves. There's not much that you could do except listen and not blame yourself for it. You know, that's what I've been told. Yeah. I believe that. I've called suicide hotlines because people have been like on the ledge, you know, and suicide hotline people, they're like, well, you know, you, you can call 911 or you can do this, but you know, they're, they're,

get them to call us and we'll talk, but they've dealt with it so many times. They know it's like, if it's going to happen. Yeah. Don't do it. Anybody out there don't. Yeah. Because still, because it gets better, like everything gets better. And, you know, getting older is hard and, you know, the one, you know, the assisted suicide or the kind of suicide because of pain and all that. Yeah. You know, that's a whole, that's a different ball of wax. But Alexis, my sister, Alexis, she had AIDS for like years, like since she was in her teen, like late teens, like or early twenties and she had had it for so long and she would get feeling good and taking her meds and then she'd stop because she felt so good, but then she'd go back on them, but that reduces

their sort of effectiveness. So just toward the end, I could just tell us she was kind of done. And it was like, she was done with it and she was kind of going to dark places and not really honoring herself. So she was ready to sort of like, I'm done with this kind of phase. Did you, it was just a phone call? You just got the phone call? How you found out? No, she was, she didn't commit suicide. She just slowly did in the sense, you know what I mean? Slowly allowed herself to sort of go down, but I got a call that she was sick and then, yeah, and then we all sort of came and I had somewhere to go that she was going to live longer and I went and she got worse. So I had to come back. But we were all there when she passed,

which was, which was beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah, we were playing music and all brothers and sisters were there. So that was, that was really nice. A lot of people don't get that right now. They don't. And I sometimes think that that's probably the way they wanted it anyway, or even if they didn't, the way it was supposed to be. I don't know, you know, it's true. You know, I was volunteering at a hospice and they would tell us about angels. They're angels. They're just, just the most amazing humans. And, um, you know, we had to go through this orientation and, you know, one of the things that they talked about is like when people decide to die. And one of the stories they told is really fascinating is they're just, this father was just,

he was just sort of all hanging in there, but just not there. And the hospice worker was like, you know what, I want you all to go see a movie tonight. Go see a movie. Let's just go, go to a movie and then, uh, and then come back. And they went to the movie and as soon as they're gone, he died because he didn't want to die in front of him. Yeah. I totally get that for some people. Yeah. I totally get that. Yeah. Some people want to die alone. Yeah. Which is okay. Yeah, totally. I mean, it's however you want it. I mean, a lot of people, I always say, we love you. We're going to be all right, you know, whatever. You're safe to go. You've been such a, just sort of reinforced how great a person or experience we've had together,

how much we love them, you know, just to let them know that it's okay to go like we're going to be fine. Everyone's going to be fine. We love you. We'll see you soon. I do believe you're going to see all these people. I think we'll see them all that we're all one. You know what I mean? It becomes very clear that this is all super connected and yeah, you know what I mean? Well, I love when Ram Dass's guru died. They said, when they called Ram Dass, they said, uh, he dropped his body. That's how they say, yeah, yeah. That's cool. That's as much, you know, the West way we look at is so different there. It's just like, this is a vehicle got out of the car. We're all going to get out of the car. And some people's cars are like, they're breaking down. They're smoldering. They're,

you know, they're, you know, Mitzi passed away. I know I heard. I'm sorry. I know you were friends with them. Yeah. But, but these things are so bittersweet because you want a being to go on forever, but simultaneously, someone who's in a body that's breaking down, it's a real joyful moment to, to let go of that body and to become part of everything again. Absolutely. And you could, and now that you feel them, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure you feel your sister still. I'm sure. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. And you know what? I always, I always say, uh, whether you die, go toward the laughter. I mean, that's what you want. You know what I mean? That's cool. Way better than the light. That's so much better than the light. How beautiful, man. I love

that. I mean, I guess it depends on the type of laughter. Yeah. Yeah, you could go there. I don't go to that laughter. I love. Yeah, I don't, if you had the option, you know, that this shit you read about medical technology right now and the stuff they're saying. Cryo freeze the brain. Yeah. Reverse the aging process, all the CRISPR, all this stuff. Would you do it? Would you, if you could double your lifespan? The only reason I'd want it was for kids to be, see my kids like do whatever they want, be there to ask them questions. That's the main thing you miss is like being able to call my dad and say, oh man, this funny joke. I thought of you today. I heard this song and I'm reminding me of that song. I used to say like little moments

like that or my mom or whatever. That ache dude. I accidentally called my mom's number last night and I haven't done it since she died. I'm terrified of doing it. And then I called and I'm like, fuck it. Let me listen to see who's got her number now. It's just some guy, you know, like this is Jean Pritt, you know, with a VLZ center. It's like, wait, you're not my mom. What the fuck? But man, but that, that feeling, one of the things the Ram Dass people have taught me is I love, it's such a very simple saying, which is the longing is the grace and that feeling of longing is the, it's your connection to them. And that's cool. Yeah, it's fucking cool. So when that emerges, it's actually a connection to them. Like you're feeling them. That's, that's, so yeah, but

I know you want to call them and brag, you want to call them and brag. That's a really cool story about my dad. Like after he passed and we've sort of passing his different stuff and I got his, like a director's chair with his name on it. And I was like, oh, that's cool. I'm going to put that in my house and then put it in my house. And then I sat down on it and it ripped. And it was just like dad. It was such a dad joke. It was like dad, like at his greatest. Those were his like fun things. Exactly, man. That's exactly how they do. I, you know, when my mom died, we, she has this little house on this island called Little Cumberland Island. And I went there with my girlfriend at the time and

I wanted to go out and float out on inner tubes, but, uh, you know, we didn't have any inner tubes and really you probably shouldn't. My mom was always terrified. Like we didn't want us to go out in those waters because there's jelly vision sharks and shit, but you know, we, I was saying to my, my girl at the time, like, oh man, I wish we had some inner tubes and we're walking down the path and there's two inner tubes that the wind has blown up into the, into the like brush. And so we take them, we go and float on the inner tubes. It's the best day we're coming back. Then this woman walks up and she's like, oh, you found the inner tubes. And she's like, oh, oh, you're Danine's son. And then she's like, you know, your mom said something to me.

Oh, she, you know, your mom, your mom said like after, after she passes, she's going to do some pretty amazing stuff. And I'm just like, whoa, that's just grace, man. It's just like this beautiful graceful little winks from the other side that's like, no, no, it's not that heavy. It's not that heavy, man. And it's funny always too. It's funny ripping the director's chairs. So hilarious. So funny, man. I mean, and it's on so many different levels too. I was just like talking to someone who's in AA and they were telling, I love AA sayings. And one of them is like, get out of the director's chair. You ever hear that before? Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't do that. Cause like the moment you were trying to control

everything, you know, that's when you really start fucking up. Yeah, it's true. So as I've been researching you, you're in a horror movies, huh? Like, yeah, I like them. I mean, I did this movie called The Tripper. I think you'd be interested. Yeah. About a killer who's obsessed with Ronald Reagan, who hacks up hippies in an outdoor music festival. Yeah. So it's all like, they're all on acid. And you know, this girl had a bad trip earlier. So she's like, I'm not doing it. And then she gets squirted with them. And she starts tripping. And that the killer thinks it's, it's, I forgot even her name, Ronald Reagan's daughter. I don't know. I forgot. But she had like a drug thing in reality, like it was kind of public.

But so he calls her Peggy or whatever it is. He's like all obsessed with her. His dogs are named like Nancy and you know, all this, it's pretty trippy. What's your favorite? Like if you had to pick your favorite shining, probably shiny was great. I mean, the shiny is the greatest because it's literally a man losing his mind. Right. Possessed by dark spirits. And he's like, I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to bet. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like? Yes. Yes. The best. The best. I mean, he was the greatest. I mean, that and cuckoo's nest and all those movies he was doing at the time. Oh my God. Jack Nicholson in the fucking in his prime. Oh man. Oh man. Once they invent the thing where you can go into the simulator

and pick the thing and just to jump in and jack prime Jack Nicholson prime Nicholson. That's some darkness though. They might be people thought he was a devil. I mean, I'm sure there was elements of that going on. The parties he had. I've heard is like you would leave his party and you would think to yourself like he's Satan. Yeah. Like he is the incarnation of Satan. Like this man is a raging beast. This beautiful, talented, destructive vortex. Like, God forbid you should get drawn into his. No kidding. Energetic. I mean, but man. I would, I don't know. I would love to experience that. I know. Also, Brando was amazing. Just such a, I worked with him once. No way. I got to work with him on this crazy movie called

Free Money. And I think it was his last film, but I got to identify because the director called me and he was a friend and he said, you want to do a couple of scenes with Brando? And I was like, are you kidding me? So I went to like somewhere outside of Montreal and it's snowing and I flew in just for like the day I think and meet him and he's like waiting to rehearse. They called us to the set too soon. He's like, I want to sit in my car. I was like, yeah, that'd be great. Thank you, Mr. Brando. Oh, and then so I'm sitting behind him. He's in the passenger seat and then his, I don't know if it was his girlfriend or his wife at the time, an Asian lady sitting right there and she's really super sweet and she's younger than him, but not too young that it's weird. And

and he's got this really weird haircut where they've cut the bald spot. So he's got like a shaved fake bald spot and his hair is kind of like a little, it's like a Kim Jong-un with a bald spot. So it's like this really weird like thing and I'm sitting behind him just staring at the back of his head and he's just asking me some questions and just like I want to go think I was just so fucking nervous and I'm sitting there and it's cold outside and I'm stiffly and he's like, did you have a cold? And I said, uh, I don't know. I don't think so. It's just cold outside. And then so when he finally let me out, I was like, I'm not, I didn't have the nerve to get back in the car. I was just like, but he, we did this seat together where I'm a used car dealer and I'm

selling him this, this truck that the whole thing's about. He's finally retiring and getting this truck. So the truck was a big deal in the movie and he's got sons or something. Charlie Sheen was in it as well. I didn't work with him though. But, um, he's, all of his humor was like based in like three Stooges in like Buster Keegan. Like, and I love that stuff. So I was totally game for it. He's like, uh, why don't I shake the kid's hand and then I'll just, he doesn't let go. You just keep shaking and I find that annoying. I was like, I love it. I love it. Anything you want. Well, then why doesn't he, he can be the keys and then, uh, I'll go up to the truck and he had a hard time getting this truck because it was so

high. He didn't get into it easily. So why wasn't the kick it on his hands and knees and I'll step on him and I get into the truck and I was like, great. I love it. And the director was like, no, you can't, he was about 350, 400 at the time. So they were like, no, you can't. I was like, I've been doing this my whole life though. The old, I'm the youngest of, you know, five kids. I've been the shelf or whatever, the stool for many of people. I could do this. He was like, no, no, you can't do that. I do regret that. Oh, cause what a way to die. Being crushed to death by Marlon Brando. Exactly. That is the ultimate way to die. That you will be remembered forever, eternally. I know. Even if I was just paralyzed, whatever, it's fine. Wolf Blitzer coming out,

talking about how you got paralyzed by fucking Marlon Brand. You like going to one of those comas where like you have to use your eyes to communicate from then on. Amazing, man. God, would Brando visit you? Do you think if he, if he, if he, if you, was he the type of person where you would have? Yeah, I think so. He was really a kind, like sweet, like very spiritual, very like interesting guy. I was really upset when he died. There wasn't more of a like celebration of his life because he like said the Native American lady to get his Oscar or something, or then what happened with his son. Unfortunately, like all that stuff kind of tainted like his thing or just being difficult. I don't know what it was, but they didn't celebrate him the way,

like one of the greatest actors that ever lived just passed away. And like, it was a blip, you know what I mean? A blip. Yeah. And that sucks, that thing. Cause it's like you, the, the, you know, the art, like let's go back to Van Gogh, for example, right? Like that we celebrate him in his work, but we've, nobody mentions like that was a stalker. Yeah. That was a depressed. Yeah. That dude sent his fucking ear to a, I mean, that's deep stalking, deep, deep, deep abuse. That's as fucked up as you can get. And nobody, when they're looking at his art, not many people are like, you know, this guy was like a fucking abusive psychotic because we, because we, but now, you know, if you, if you, the way Brando laughed with drama or whatever, that ends up obscuring

somehow. I think that's a real sad thing. You know, we got to figure out a way to like separate the, the, the water from the faucet, you know? Cause if it's good water, it's good water. I have an amazing sculpture of him that Alexis had given me from the artist that did the one of James Dean up at the observatory, the same artist. And he delivered this sculpture to Brando and he's like, got his mouth open and it's, it's kind of a, I don't know, just expressive. The, the, the sculptor in general doesn't necessarily look a lot like him. It does, but he goes, it looks like I'm ready to suck somebody off. Which he did, right?

But the artist got so kind of offended that he didn't take the thing and then the artist had given it to Alexis at some point. I love that Brando is so familiar with himself that he knows the look he gets on his face when he's about to suck someone off. That's a great actor, you know, cause he's like studying himself all the time. That's so fun. Who was it that he, what is the famous picture of, there's a picture of him, right? Who was it that he's sucking off? I don't know. Was it James Dean? I think he sucked it. He sucked off James Dean.

I think it's in that picture. Yeah. Wow. That crazy picture. I also, the same place that has the picture. So it used to be at like soap plant or something. You could find stuff like that. I don't know if they have that stuff anymore. But, uh, yeah, go ahead, sir. No, no, no. But, uh, there was one of, um, uh, Walt Disney where he drives a mini mouse with boobs on a chalkboard. Oh wow.

That's another good one. But would you like, if you were James Dean, if like, we get the simulator running, pop back in time, we get to pick these like various like legends, pop back into James Dean's body. Yeah. And you're in that room with Marlon Brando and he's like, I want to suck you off. Oh my God. Would you say no? I think I would. I don't know. I've had uncomfortable experiences in my life, but I don't,

not that I ever blew anyone or been blown by a guy. But it's Brando. I know, but still it's, I grew up sharing a room with a transgender person. Right. So I like, you know, went through, when I was going through like, um, uh, adolescence, I was like, hope I'm not gay. Like that's what I was worried about because I like dressing up and I like having fun and like being, I don't know, not that that's like some gay trait having fun. Yeah, you're gay, man. Having fun. I mean, I was going to tell you you're gay.

But even like wearing a dress, I don't know. I've like, have you ever cross dressed? I've been a burning man. I always am so uncomfortable. I don't know if it's like old stuff from sharing a room with a Alexis, but it all just makes me so uncomfortable. So even if it was James Dean or Marlon Brando, I'd be like, I don't think it'd be the bet. I don't think it'd be like, it's like, it's not going to be a great moment, but I'm just saying it's like afterwards you're like, well, Marlon, yeah, it's a great story. Yeah. Brando sucked my cock. It's like, what's better than that? Any, any time you go,

any time you see a Brando film, you're like, yeah, that guy sucked my dick. I used to be, I used to be really into like, if I was working with a girl or somebody or, or like somebody, an actress or something, just, I'd put heat seeking missiles and like do everything to like go out with them, meet them. You know, I don't know. I used to be really about that. And I don't know. It's just kind of a, it's a weird thing to get obsessed with because yes, it's good story. But aside from that, it becomes, you know, for one, a lot of the time, you don't want to tell those stories because you don't want to share stuff that that's right. And then if you ever do slip and share something, sometimes people that deny it or, or

and then you're like, what, are you embarrassed by it or something? Or I like, I thought we actually did date. I maybe I shouldn't be talking about it. Is that what's going on? So I don't really know how to deal with that. You'll, I mean, you've, you've been in like the, you've been in one of those relationships that is a, where like people are taking pictures of you at the beach and stuff, right? Yeah, that was a crazy time because it was like peak of, of friends-ness. So, and it was also this weird time where the paparazzi culture was exploding. It was like pre TMZ. So it was like, you know, right at the beginning of all this stuff and all these like, for some reason, at the beginning of a bunch of gangsters got guns. And it was like, so you were like, you know,

you were legitimately scared. Like you were going to either get robbed or like, you know what I mean? And then you just had a baby. So you're protective of the baby. You're like, get the fuck away from this baby, you know, have some respect and all this stuff. But I once then saw my, myself back, the reactions, pictures, me almost getting a fight with the paparazzi. And I was like, Oh, and I was looking at the camera. And I was like, Oh, it's not even, so nobody knows what he looks like. No one sees what I'm seeing. So all they're seeing is me being aggressive. And that's not me. So that's, you know, now I'm projecting an image of myself that I'm not. So then they changed my whole relationship with paparazzi. Then I, and I also didn't care at some point. I was

just like, you're doing a job. And I, you know, but it's the old, you know, drink poison and expect someone else to die. You know what I mean? Wow. Yeah. So you're like, oh, you're eating yourself up for nothing. Right. But man, I mean, that you, you did, I mean, like, you're like the, one of the things like I was talking to a friend of mine, he's a famous guy, but he's like, you know, I just want to keep it right here. Right. He's like, I want to keep it right here. That's smart. That's smart guy. I don't want to go past that. Cause once you go past a certain point, yeah, that's it, man. You're got to live in gated communities. You got to like, you are isolated. Yeah. And you went through, I mean, you are like a sparking celebrity. You are in, you guys are on

magazines at the grocery store and shit, you know? Yeah. We were on the bag once, which was awesome. So at all the airports, there's this one company that has a bag. And so the bag had the, the, like the cover of some magazine we were on. So that bag lasted longer than this cover did, and it traveled all through like the world. Wow. Which was funny. I mean, it's not really something to be proud of any stretch, but it was just funny to see the bag. I don't know. That's, see, to me, that, that stuff would start make, if anything was going to make me like, yeah, spin out that it's that, that's where I would start kind of losing it is like seeing my picture. Yeah. It does make you spin out a lot. There's this whole like, uh, it's just such a weird,

weird game that we're in because, you know, every major like superstar that I've ever met has a narcissistic like element, like hardcore, like they really are really incredibly confident, incredibly kind of narcissistic and full of themselves. It's kind of like you revolve around their world. And I get that as an actor to be able to have that confidence. So you have to have that anyway, to perform, to step up, to take risks, to be sure of yourself. I mean, doubt doesn't work very well in performance because it just kind of, it's that negative voice that just starts attacking you, but confidence and being able to feel free enough to, you know, try to tap into something that's maybe closer to this character and grounded and reality and all that is something

that's kind of pretty exciting, you know. And, uh, so I don't know, I, oh, this goes back to the narcissistic thing. So I once, I was obsessed. I was talking about this and, and I said to my therapist, I said, uh, do you have any narcissistic client? I mean, the patients and he said, no, you know why? I said, why? They don't need me. I was like, whoa, that's how like, so this guy is like, there's no, there's no remorse about like if our president cheated on his, you know what I mean? I will, if anything ever happens, be like, smash my head into a, you know, window. I mean, I have scars all over from like smashing my head through windows. For some reason, that was my go to because it always would end the fight. Like, I don't like to fight. So I'd be like, oh, you want

to fight? Blood everywhere. Fights over. I didn't hit anybody. I don't, you know, except myself, but it was like this whole thing. For some reason, I was incredibly, you know, self abusive and like the pain there would take away the pain of like here or whatever. Wow. So you were a cutter, a bit of a cutter, but more of a smasher, like head smasher. What's the reaction of someone you're in a fight with? Something also people punch stuff all the time, break their hands. Like, it's that whole, like, you're turning it all inward. That's why you get depressed. This is fuck, man. But, you know, friends laughing, like enjoying life, children, like, I don't know how not to make

life as stressful as it is. I mean, is your life, do you feel it stressful? See, I go to these Rom-Dos retreats. Thank God. Thank God. And like, they've taught me this mindfulness practice. My life is stressful. And I go into like, I don't smash my head through windows yet, though I'm going to remember that. It's a horrible thing. But, you know, the idea is it's like, we're going to, what it teaches you to wear your stock and it gives you the a way that you can forgive yourself for smashing your head in the window. Forgive yourself for the bullshit because it's like, that's just part of what we are.

That's part of the pattern. And then it's the practice of mindfulness kind of teaches you to sort of put some space in between the thought forms and your actual identity, which is a soul, which is an infinite being that's having this very temporary experience as a human. And so, I mean, that being said, I'm still a fucking deep, deep, deep fried cunt. I mean, I can, you know what I mean. That's amazing. I went to this thing called the Hoffman, Hoffman practice or something, which is a retreat, which is really an interesting thing. It started in the 60s or 70s. They have them all over the world. The one I went to was a Napa.

And it was pretty cool, man. It like you do all these things where you write a list of your resentments and all, you know, from you trace them as far back as you can and you list them all. Then you spend like days beating a pillow with like a waffle ball back. You just like boom, boom, like until you like, you say this one, like I kid that, you know, the teacher that brought me in front of, you know, school when I was in third grade and like, you know, made a fool of me or the teacher that may be reading in front of class and made me nervous about reading for the rest of my life, like stuff like that. So you just beat the hell out of it. And then you sort of address all your behaviors and, you know, all your resentments and all these things. You write letters

and you write letters to your parents, even if they're alive or dead and you bury stuff and you do all this really interesting work. You just have a lot of silent time. Do you feel like it helped? It did help. Yeah, it helps. But I'm really bad at the ongoing practice of things. Yeah. I don't feel like, yeah, I like, I can learn it. I can do it. I like do it. It'll help me. And then I'll be back to my one kind of behavior and it's to a certain extent. I've gotten better though. I'm not as like, you know, making the same mistakes I've always made before. Well, that's the, yeah. And one of the things I love about the lineage I'm in is like the concept.

It's like, some people might even see it as somewhat nihilistic because they're like, oh, no, no, no, you see, you, you, this, and this go around, you really, you really might not work out for you. Like it's, it's, because we keep doing this over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. So that he is like, don't, it's really not about being in a hurry. And it's really not about like, cause what starts happening is you begin to crucify yourself with your practice. So you have this idea of like, oh, here's where I'm good and now I'm the bad boy. Right. I know. I hate that. That's what my whole thing, one of my main like, uh, like psychological things I've had to get over in my life is wanting to be the good boy for my mom who

like had such a rough life and family was so crazy and our family was so crazy that I'll be the good boy. Like I'll be the one she doesn't have to worry about. Yeah. And then like, you know, started getting crazy myself and doing crazy stuff and I'm not the good boy anymore. Then I'm bad. So if I'm the bad boy, let's go real bad. Like, yeah, let's go deep. You know, once I, I came home drunk and like, I had some DMT and my friends that, you know, have you ever smoked DMT? No, that's what I heard. It's pretty interesting. Well, it's amazing. And, but you know, the, the person who had shown me how to do it is like, and many people have attached to it. Really, it's a deep religious experience. It should perhaps be preceded by

fasting, you know, something called a dieta. If you're going to do ayahuasca, pure cleansing, purification, prayers to, you know, like he, my friend who did it with me did this beautiful prayer. Like, you know, may, may, may this be like the jaguar that eats the bones of everything in the forest. May it eat your darkness and all this stuff is beautiful and sweet. I came home drunk and I'm like, fuck that, sappy, sentimental, fucking bullshit. What happens if I smoke this goddamn DMT when I'm drunk? I think I just eaten shit on stage. So I'm just like pissed. I'm like, I'm going to just smoke DMT in the wrong way, in the deep wrong way. So I smoke it and go into this space. And it's not like you, a voice talks to you, but you're something is

conveyed to you. And what it was conveyed to me is we love you. You're the one who's saying that you're bad. You're the one who's saying this is horrible. You're the one who's putting all this heavy shit on you. This is just something you're doing. Do you think you can be bad? That was the concept is like, yeah, yeah, you're carrying that thing. And so this, the thing that, and I'm sorry guys, I've said this a few times because I love this book by Pima Children. It's called The Wisdom No Escape. In the very beginning of this book, she says, people think I'm going to start meditating to become a better person. Well, this is an aggression against the self that you are right now. We don't want to become better people. We want to become who we are and feel what we're feeling

and being this thing right now. So it sort of like destroys the whole, that feeling of like, oh man, I'm really not doing it right now. I'm really, no, you're not, you're not doing it right now. And that is part of the practice to think that you're not practicing, but you're, you are, you're aware. You just watch like, oh yeah, right now I'm drinking a little too much. Right now, I'm a little depressed right now. I'm going to, and you just, that very simple shift from being in it to watching it. Wow, man. It like really does change things a little bit for me at least. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Watch the beer. Actually, I was kicking around the idea of a book. It's just such a cheesy title. You know, Ram Dass wrote a book called Be Here Now.

I was thinking, drink beer now. A book about mindfully drinking. By the way, it's needed. It's needed. When I was in the Huffman, I was like, the whole thing was like, oh, I was drinking back then too. And you have to be sober from the whole experience and all that. And I was like, to drink maximum. Well, you know, I was, there's this teacher, Sharon Salzburg, and I was at one of these Ram Dass retreats. They let me interview them and I was saying to her like, well, I mean, what isn't meditation? You know, like I, at the time West World was running and they're all drinking whiskey on Westworld. So when Westworld came on, I pour like a stiff shot of whiskey and pretend I was like in Westworld drinking whiskey. And I was like,

you know, isn't that a practice? And she was like, well, it's a practice, but you're practicing the wrong thing. So you don't want to get, you don't want to get delusional and fool yourself into thinking that that putting poison into your body is an actual method path. But simultaneously, instead of like doing that act, whether it's drinking or smoking or sex addiction or whatever the fucking thing it is, mindlessly, just add the element of watching yourself do it. The pre-drink, the feeling you get before you have the drink. You know, I'm talking about like being the moment as you're consuming the thing, you know, instead of trying to imagine that you just make it so you're not really a bad person anymore. Right. Totally. I mean, that is really

that negative voice. The monkey that grabs that thought, you know, just run havoc through your brain is really the most dangerous of all the like things. Well, I think that's what we're pouring the booze on really is like that, that thing. And that thing just is going to jump in whenever it can. No matter you could be the most sober person on earth and the thing was going to pop in and like, well, that's, I mean, it's nofsu, Satan, you know, it's the thing that like it's the great imposter because it wants to be the center of attention. It's the root of all, it's the ultimate of narcissists, isn't it? Oh God, you want to hear the one of the worst narcissist stories? I'd love to. And this is like family genetic stuff. So my dad like wanted to be an actor,

always tried out for the actor's studio. They never accepted him. So it was like this, dated the same girl as James Dean. Wow. She stole his jacket, a red jacket, and then James Dean borrowed it. That's the rumor that that happened. And then he had the costume director get one for Rebel without a cause. That's that's how the story goes. But it's all that time back in the 60s and like, early 60s in New York and all this stuff. So he never got accepted. And it was always kind of like, you know, weird for him. And so he's always trying and his dad was famous. So he's kind of like trying to, you know, do his own path, like to actor New York. So he gets a great play at Summerstock and he goes up and he's really excited about he invites his dad, his dad's at the height

of his, his fame at this point. So he goes and they have a great first act and they go back and they're preparing for the second act and the years all this laughter and all that the whole room is like going crazy. And he peaks his head out and his dad had brought his Charlie Weaver costume, put it on and entertained the theater during intermission. It was just such a like, wow, that's like so crazy, like attention, like that's like the worst story I've ever heard. Like my dad like that stuck with him his whole career and like just kind of like, just this painful, painful thing. That is so fucked up. Mindless. That's robotic. That's sort of an automate. That's some kind of evil robotic move to do that. You just got to grab the attention.

Oh my gosh, what is that? Oh, it's vampiric. Yeah, a narcissist is a vampire. Yeah, yeah, as a form of vampire. I think I think vamp vampirism is actually somewhat based on like, because they're narcissists. A vampire is a fucking narcissist. Sucks your blood, but they're also beautiful and like they draw you in. They're not like, you know, they suck you in, they're beautiful. They're like, they act like you they want you feel lucky to be in their presence. You know, and I you know, one of my dear friends, she like has dated narcissists and like she's like that's she gets sucked in by them and she's I mean, she's explaining it to me. And I'm like going fucking like white. And I said to her, I'm like, am I a narcissist? Please, please say no.

She's like, you're not a fucking narcissist. The fact the fact that you asked tells you you're not a narcissist. But our narcissists would never ask if they were a narcissist. They wouldn't care. Well, they might as a form of manipulation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yes, yes, they would care to like, because my friends at therapists, as he said, sometimes narcissists will get therapists, not because they need them, because they want to use them as another thing to impress with their, you know what I mean? Magic. Yeah, they're magic. I don't, you know, the young's idea of the shadow being reflected in the leader. Have you ever heard that? The civil is the society shadow can get reflected into the leader. Oh, this is so sad and scary for right now.

Yeah. And that's the idea is like Trump is actually a reflection of the narcissistic personality disorder that's afflicted all of us. And he's like us. That's us prancing around up there. Right. I believe that. I believe that. And I think that's so we can learn. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. What not to be. What not to be. Yeah, exactly. And that's like, that Clooney would be better. No, I'm just kidding. Do you think he's going to run? No, no, I would want his wife to run. His wife to be president, him to be. But do you think that's going to happen? You think Clooney's kicking that idea around a little bit? No, I don't think so. But he is really such a nice, like great person. Like he really is one

of the kind of people you mean. My brother's worked with him. My brother shoots video and Clooney took him out to like Africa because he doesn't work out there. And like, that's what my brother said. He's the sweetest guy on earth. You're the greatest guy. You are, man. Thank you so much for coming in and having this conversation. This is an honor. I love it. Likewise. Is there, how do people find you? What's coming up? I don't know. I just did a documentary called Survivors Guide to Prison, which is really look at the broken prison system. Amazing director Matthew Cook directed it. It did really well and people are watching it. It gives you little tips on if you encounter an out of control officer and whatnot. So what to do

there? Yeah, it's on it's on iTunes right now and Amazon, but it'll be on Netflix soon. So that beautiful. Yeah. Amanda and Jacko Glamping just came out on Netflix. So beautiful. That's about it for now. Thank you, sir. All the links. Hadi Krishna. Very nice chatting with you. That was David Arquette, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. A big thank you to HelloFresh for sponsoring this episode. Go to hellofresh.com and use offer code Duncan30 to get $30 off your first order. Please don't forget to subscribe to us over at patreon.com. I love you guys and I will see you soon. We have an excellent episode coming out with a great Mark 2 plus. Hadi Krishna. And we're never short on options at jcp.com. All dressed up everywhere to go. JCPenney.

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