Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 538: Natasha Leggero

Episode Date: November 20, 2022

Natasha Leggero, brilliant comedian and newly-minted author, re-joins the DTFH! Lavender Lads, Purple Popes, and everyone else should check out Natasha's new book, The World Deserves My Children, available everywhere you buy books! And come see Natasha on her book tour! Get your tickets on NatashaLeggero.com. You should also check out Natasha's show, The Endless Honeymoon Podcast, available everywhere you get your podcasts. And follow her on social media! She's on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. BLUECHEW - Use offer code: DUNCAN at checkout and get your first shipment FREE with just $5 shipping. Athletic Greens - Visit AthleticGreens.com/Duncan for a FREE 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase! MrBallen Podcast - A new podcast documenting the strange, dark, and mysterious stories of our world. Exclusive to Amazon Music. Download their app today for one of the most addictive, hardcore true crime podcasts of the year!

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Place your order at officedepot.com and pick it up in just 20 minutes at your nearest Office Depot or OfficeMax store. Greetings, my lovely friends. It's me, Duncan, and this is the Duncan Trussell Family Hour Podcast. And today, I have a very special guest. I don't know if the DTFH would even exist, if not for Natasha Leggero. We started podcasting together long before anyone thought that podcasts would ever be a thing. If you're a purple pope, you already know that we had a podcast called The Lavender Hour.

We went separate podcasting ways. And now Natasha and Mosha Kasher, her brilliantly funny husband, have an awesome podcast called The Endless Honeymoon Podcast, which I hope you'll subscribe to. Also, Natasha just wrote an incredibly funny book called The World Deserves My Children. It's available now wherever you might look for books. The audiobook is narrated by her and Mosha. I love audiobooks, so I'd say just order both of them.

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listen to episodes of the DTFH on YouTube and also video episodes are on the way. But it's going to take some time. I'm still working on my studio. It's very difficult to get marble spider sculptures from the quarry that has the type of marble that I'm interested in, but it's coming soon. And now, everybody, please welcome back to the DTFH Natasha Leggero. Welcome, welcome on you, that you are with us. Shake hands, no need to be blue.

Welcome to you. Natasha, welcome back. It's so nice to see you again. How you doing? You're out there in New York promoting your new book. Congratulations. What an accomplishment. You know, I'm staying at this hotel and I was like, I've been here before.

And then I'm like, wait, this is the old Trump Towers. Like it used to be like the Trump Soho and now they just slapped another name on it. But then when I'm calling people from the hotel, they're saying it says Trump on it. And I bet he still owns it. Oh my God, of course he does. Yeah, he definitely does. Is it nice? But is it a nice hotel?

That's all that matters. It's so nice. It's like so much taller than every building in Soho. And you get to see like the entire city. It's insane. But I don't want to get a freak plug. How glamorous, how incredible to be in some nice hotel, promoting your first book.

I mean, writing a book, what an accomplishment. That alone must feel so good to know you have it in you, to write a book. You know, everyone keeps saying that. But don't you feel like life, you're just always kind of chugging away? Yes. Yeah. It never, it's really hard to take that time to stop and like appreciate

anything. I want to learn how to do that. Maybe I should try to meditate like you. Well, I mean, maybe I should try to learn to meditate once a week like you. Once a week ain't bad. I mean, the more you meditate, the less like all the hangups about it start falling away. Even if it is sporadic, it takes your relationship with it goes from being another thing you use to make yourself feel bad to something a little lighter than that.

You know, like meditation should not be, you shouldn't add that to the list of things you didn't do. You know, it's your friend. So it's just something that's there for you. Not something to whip your back with. There's plenty of other things that you're not doing that you should feel bad about, not meditation. Do you think anyone, do you think anyone doesn't whip their back?

Yeah, totally. You could stop. You actually don't have to keep whipping your back. It's so great. It's like, it's so exciting about life is that if you don't want to keep like, if you're, if you're, you know, your belt is growing thin or your arm is sore or your back is just the calluses or you can't even feel it anymore. You could actually just stop doing it.

It's pretty awesome. Yeah. Have you? Oh, no, I, I still get myself a firm lashing here and there, but definitely, you know, much less than I used to, you know, it's, yeah, I have, you know, I only, I only whipped myself like in the mornings before, but I, I, but it's, you know, if I do give myself a lashing, it's a lot softer than it used to be. And I don't know if that's part of getting old.

Maybe your, your arms weaker. So you can't quite get the like snap in that you used to. But I think it's a, I think it's a possibility that you don't have to always do that as much. What about you? Are you still whipping your back? Oh yeah. All the time, every time I look in the mirror, every time I do a press thing, it's like, it's very hard to, to not do, I mean, I also, you know, I don't do it constantly,

but it definitely is in the loop of what my brain does naturally, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a habit. It's a, just a habit. It's like any other habit, no big deal. Habits can seem so intense and like, Oh my God, that's who I am. But yeah, it's just a habit.

People are just habituated to like, you know, they internalized one parent or the other, usually. And then that whatever that little pattern is just repeats every single day, like it used to when you're a kid, it's just part of the thing. But yeah, it's just a habit. It's like no different from any other addiction. Yeah. Our kids don't do it.

Exactly. I mean, that's what's so great about having kids is usually like watching a being that has yet to internalize whatever neurotic patterns they're going to like pick up from you. So it's like, it's cool to see the blank slate and like what that looks like. It's wonderful. I know. And you have written a lovely book about parenting and being a new parent and well, it's funny because on this book tour, I was going to tell you, I keep quoting your mom

because the story of my, you know, I, you know, you kind of have your thing that you're saying in all the press. And, you know, one of the things I remember is like your mom saying, you know, it's the most it's that you love this thing so much. It's like you are cracked open, you know. And yeah, and it's just this like amazing love. And so as I quote her, I say, I say that, but then I, you know, people would always say, and it wasn't just your mom, but I remember your mom had a very specific thing, you know,

that I just said, but yeah, what people don't tell you is that you could almost as easily replace love with fear, at least for me as a, as a mom, like you will never, when they say you'll never know the kind of love that you get from a kid. Like you could replace that with fear. And it really is true because I was someone who just had like so much joie de vivre. And I would just go to, go to Paris, go to Africa, you know, last minute, you guys want to come to Thailand for some stage time and free shrimp. And, you know, oh, hey, white water rafting with no helmet.

You know, I would just do anything. I was down for it all. And now, you know, all of a sudden, I'm not like that anymore. And, you know, this book is like a lot of me examining like, who is the pre-motherhood? Natasha, how can I get back to her? But then, you know, you think about it, because I wrote this book for many years, for three years, because there was the pandemic and then there was a paper shortage. And there was just like a lot of things that kind of slowed it down.

But I started to realize like we don't have kids to stay the same. And maybe it's not about getting back to your pre-motherhood days, you know? It's how do you integrate it? And especially people like me and you who are having kids later in life when our lives are more fully formed and these kids are joining our, you know, fully made lives. So it's a different thing than when our parents sort of were just like, you know, would meet some guy, have kids, and then realize that was the wrong guy, and then get divorced, you know?

I mean, I didn't even know people who didn't have a second family. Right. Yeah, divorce boom. Yeah. Well, you know, also, you know, within that was like, there was this sort of, I think in our parents, this frivolity, this like a real kind of cultural selfishness that appeared for a while as a kind of trend, which is, you know, just divorce. I mean, if it's not working out for you, just get a divorce. You think that's frivolity? Absolutely. Yeah.

I mean, my mom was getting backhanded. Well, that's no, that's different. I don't mean that. I don't mean that. And I don't mean all the people who were like, we're in abusive, like truly abusive, brutal situations. Those, you got to get out. No question about it. But I do think that some people in their marriages applied the same kind of philosophy in their marriages, they did a dating, you know, the same thing of like, oh, shit, like, you know, when the person sees your shadow and you see their shadow,

you know, instead of like, oh, you're out. Kids are, no, I'm out and not the, but, but, you know, sometimes the shadow is slapping you in which case it's like, no, I'm out. Like you got to get out. So I don't mean like, no, stay no matter what. That's crazy. Only lunatics do that. You're saying that you, you think that some people could like have been less selfish. And I mean, of course I would love to like go to bars in New York and have sex with anybody I want and like do my thing. It's like, but you have this like responsibility to your family to like, yeah, you know, or Moshe, he wanted to go to Burning Man and open up our relationship.

And I'm like, no, we're not going to, you know, and I think we figured out that must have been a rough conversation. Well, I know what you mean though. It's like, it is easier to just be like, if you didn't have kids, everything would be easier. And that's, that's what I'm saying is like, people equate easiness with good. Like that, well, that's what, that's desirable. Easy is desirable. Easy. Isn't that what you want? Easy. And I understand that. And I, you know, I think that if you, like both of us got to experience so much of that easiness that at some point you realize that, that you're something, you're

not getting the whole picture here. You're just getting part of the picture, part of the picture of like, Oh my God, I can go to wherever I can go to Costa Rica or go to the bird, go to Burning Man or go to this or that of all the stuff. And you can get incredibly hedonistic and you start like just going for it all the time. You think you're going for it, but you know, whatever that is, when you achieve the peak of the, you know, your, it's the peak of the thing, whatever your dream was, you start realizing like, Oh, this is, this doesn't really feel like much. And that's, you know, then what, then what, you know, so I think, you know, I don't know if you've ever heard this before, but I, and I don't know if it's true for any, I don't, what do you

call some new study snakes Natasha? Oh my God, I don't know. Anyway, a goth, I think you call them a goth, but the, is that a joke? That's a bad joke. The, you know, not goths, always have snakes. But if they say, if a snake half sheds its skin, it dies. If a snake doesn't shed its skin, it dies. Like it has to shed its skin. And becoming a parent is for sure the shedding of a skin. Like you got to get that, you have to let go of that. It's torture at first to say, you know, especially if you manage to have some kind of like intense freedom and intense lack of schedule or an intense like autonomy, you know, it's easy in the midst of all the things that suddenly you have to deal with. And your single friends be like, well, you want to come out tonight?

You're like, what are you talking about? I can't come out. You think I can just come out? I had a baby said, what are you talking about? It hurts. It hurts until you really let it go. And then it's, it's not that it makes it easier, but at least you don't have that ache of what could have happened. How do you let it go? How do you let it go? That's a really good question. I think at first by acknowledging that you're hurting because you're missing your old life, not feeling guilty about that, making sense. Like, of course, I'm missing the old life, you know, but then it's not even that I miss my old life. I miss the person who wasn't like constantly thinking of what the worst thing could happen for a child and making

sure to take all of the steps to make sure it didn't happen. I mean, that takes a lot of mental energy. And granted, we're just coming out of like global trauma. So, you know, I think that really made it way worse for me. Yes. And I think this is a, I mean, I don't, I don't want to get into something like gender discussion, but, you know, in my observation of Aaron versus me, I do feel like the mother, you know, the children go to Aaron when they're really sick, you know, it's like, and I remember when I was a kid, going to my mom when I was really sick, you know, not my dad. It wasn't my dad that I was seeking the motherly, maternal love from in those situations. And I don't know if that's, I'm sure that's not across the board,

but I think it makes me think that being, like clearly being a mother, physically, just physically is like so much more intense than being a dad. Like, we just have to come. You've got to turn. And it's your favorite thing to do. Exactly. We just do our favorite thing. And then, and then, and then you have to like physically just get torn apart. Permanently sometimes. Gravaged, degraded, degraded. Yes. Yes. And, and, and we just, we have to like, you know, watch this happen and, you know, try to support if we can, but there's just no way around. It's like,

I'm sorry, but me going to like CVS to get Aaron the many things she might need during pregnancy or post pregnancy is never going to be the same is watching my body warp itself in all that combined with the responsibility. Like you have a beating heart in your stomach. The most, you know, the responsibility to keep that part just that alone. I mean, not even talking then it comes out, you know, and the stakes are just so high. And I don't, you know, you can always get another boyfriend, get another husband, but it's like the stakes are just like incredibly high. The highest. I mean, the highest on every level, right? I mean, the socially high. Is there any like, you know,

they at the end of when someone passes away, regardless of their accomplishments, if somewhere in there you hear, and they were a rotten dad, rotten mom, you remember the rotten mom, you remember the rotten dad before you remember whatever other shit they did. It's so, so it's such a sacred thing to suddenly find yourself in this situation. So, so sacred and important and real. But also, I mean, aren't people doing the best they can? You know, it's like, it's like, or maybe they're not. I think they are. I like that you said that. I think they are. I think that's and do you find that like being a parent has sort of shifted your way of thinking about your parents and your childhood?

Well, you know, I think it's such I am having such a different experience than my mom. My mom had me when she was 23. And then she had two more kids like immediately after that, and had an abuse of husband. And then, you know, the relationship dissolved by the time I was four. And my, you know, brothers were younger than me. And then she was just alone, as opposed to, you know, alone with no degree, no job, three kids abused, you know, I'm like someone who's in their prime at the in, you know, I was able and that's what's so cool right now for women. And I just really am trying to get the word out. And, you know, I know people know about freezing your eggs and 38 is kind of the cutoff for, for egg freezing. But, you know, I was able to have two more decades than my mom.

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I'm really happy that I was able to just, I mean, I know this sounds cliche, but you know, have it all in a way, even though I am feeling like very haggard. Well, you don't seem haggard, Natasha. But it's exhausting. I mean, you're in like a, you're in a power couple. You're both professional comics. There's so much time that has to be invested into that pursuit. And, you know, adding to that this incredible responsibility of raising a kid, how are you balancing? How are you finding the balance there? Well, I definitely made a decision that I was only going to have one kid. And, you know, because I barely wanted one. And then when I had one, well, Moshe is like best friends with his brother.

So he was always like, we have to have two kids so they can be friends. That's right. I don't know where I'd be without my brother. But, you know, I, I really just kept telling him no. I go, unless you want to be the point person, I'm good with one. And, you know, I grew up with a sibling that would kind of ruined our family almost in a way. Like he was like a bad child and caused a lot of pain and a lot of stress and pretty much traumatized our whole childhood. You know, it was all about him all the time. And then my mom was just always upset. So I think that for me, I'm kind of scarred by that. And I have one amazing child who's so cute and sweet. I mean, granted, she's only four, but that's good. And then I can travel lightly and I can like go to Japan

with her if I want to, or if I need to take her into a green room. I mean, you can't take three kids into a green room. You can if you're Jim Gaffigan. Does he do that? I don't know. But it seems like probably at some point, I'm sure he took his beautiful family into a green room. I don't know. But yeah, so it's like you have found your own sort of like what works for you and what you want. It's wonderful. You know, it's, I love that. It's very empowered. You've always been like that. That's great. Well, thank you. I heard this quote. I don't remember who said it, but they said, one is an accessory, two is a lifestyle. And I do feel, I do feel with one, I can just move, move through the world in a way that's not going to totally overpower me.

Right. You still like, you know, you still and like, I think that sort of like, like that's a big part of it, right? It's like looking at what is the dynamic here? You know, what's going on with my particular tribe? How does it work? What does it work? And if I think if you, if you have a sort of modern situation happening where like both parents are professionals, it's, you know, don't lie to yourself about, you know, what's going to happen when you have another kid or another one or whatever. Like, you have to like be very honest with yourself about that. That's good that you were able to say no in that situation, knowing like, look, who does this? Who's going to do this? You're working, I'm working. How does it work with

another one? That's good. As soon as I, as soon as I had the baby, I went to the dentist and he was like, you need to have another one now. One child is not a family. Fuck you. Just clean my teeth. Fuck, go fuck, fuck you. Who asked you? But I will say like, you know, just like thinking about having to like pack the lunches and feed them breakfast and, you know, make dinner every night and it's like, and clean the house and have a career. It's like, it's so much to do all the time. It really makes me question like why we all live in these individual houses with just our family. Like, we should all be buying like acres of land. I'm not saying we all need to live together, but like, wouldn't it be amazing to live with like four or five families on like a few acres?

And then there's like a mess hall and then like each person makes dinner like once a week or something. Right. And then there's a place for all the kids to play. There's a gun range. Right. This is how Nexium starts. There's a bunker. Yeah. There's a bunker. There's a father figure, you know, not like it's great that you have the individual dads, but nice. It would be nice to have a representative for all the dads. You could call them father, maybe a mother figure for all the moms you call her mother. And then those confusing moments, they tell you the right thing to do. That would be wonderful to have that. Yeah. That would be wonderful. I know what you mean. I mean, you know, it's very, it's a lot of pressure. It's like so much every day for one person. And

it's like, I don't know, during the pandemic, we potted with another family and we would, we had like everyone would make dinner one night, you know, and then it was just like, and then the kids would all play together. I don't know. It just felt like I wish we could live. I mean, it started to get, you know, hard to do that. Yeah. No, when you were telling me about that, honestly, I was just thinking that that looks like hell on earth. I don't want to pod. I don't want to pod with the Gibson's or whoever. No, thanks. I appreciate the like the y'all try that. But I do know what you mean. I mean, like the, you know, it's wasteful. It's wasteful. But also you sort of like, and like, I think there's all these like, like hard, depending on how you

erase, there's all these like really intense lessons the child brings you, not through like telling you stuff, but just through experientially, all the stuff you always heard that if you're a single person or you're just dating or whatever, you can kind of like shrug off like the importance of community, you know, the, the importance of connections to your family, the all these things that are like really old ideals of like how to live suddenly become so important because you can't do it by yourself and you can't outsource everything. Like your kids need, you know, some contact with family members, some sense of like a wider circumference than just, you know, you and your partner. So yeah, I know what you mean. Like, and I, you know, I feel, I've felt the call

of the commune before it's just, I just couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. It'll be rotten. I just couldn't do it. I don't know how you guys did. How long did you pod for? Oh, just a couple months. Oh, I couldn't do it. Did you think the pandemic made you guys closer as a family because you spent because I was definitely planning on outsourcing at least 40 to 50 hours a week to a nanny so I could work because my kid wasn't in school then. But then when the pandemic happened, we all of a sudden were all together all the time and, you know, eating lunch at the dining room table every day for a year and a half or two years, I mean, and dinner and breakfast. It's like, yeah, it's so much, but I do think it really made us closer and for sure in a way that's that is like palpable and

also is going to last. Yeah, you it was a forge in it. And you know, it either broke relationships or it like turned them into some kind of meteorite. You know, it's like, we got through that together. We did it. And it wasn't easy. And there were, I don't know about you two, but fuck, it's not like it was smooth sailing all the way through. It wasn't smooth at all. I was like in my office just googling like every single, you know, article reading everything I could because there was no one telling you what to do. So you had to like study science and aerosol BPMs or whatever. Like I was just like constantly stressing. Yeah. So you have this like, you know, once in a generation event mixed in with a once in a lifetime event mixed, you know,

all the stressors of just, you know, new kid, new parents, combined with isolation, combined with social disruption. I mean, you know, one of the, one of the, when we are in, before we left LA, we're living this, thank God, we got so lucky. We're in this wonderful little compound yard, a pool. You're so lucky. And, but you know, one of the nannies, we had a nanny who, because LA was like so insane. She like was like telling us that I can't remember where she was from, but she was like telling us that she'd left that place because it had gotten too dangerous. And now she was in a place that felt the same way. And she was showing us where the like parts of the fence surrounding our house could be compromised and like wrapping rope and chain

around it to lock it up. That was our, well, don't you remember? Like when LA really started, like when all the encampments sprung up and like Skid Row, Master, how do you say it? Masterized? When Skid Row spread through the whole city and the, you know, there would be these fires from the encampments under the, just, you know, burning into the sky. And there were all the protests and all the like, it was insane there for a second. It was insane. And then earthquakes, it felt so apocalyptic. Oh, and remember we had a curfew? And the curfew. And we didn't know what it was at first. That was the other thing. It's like, what is it? Is it smallpox? What's the fatality rate of this fucking thing? What is it? Like, it was terrible. Is it on your groceries? Like, what is,

it was so confusing. So there was just this perfect recipe, wasn't there, for like, for not making things work in a relationship with a new kid? It was the perfect recipe to shatter a relationship. I know. I know a lot of people who've got divorced. Yeah. I mean, it's like, just day to day lives hard enough. But suddenly you're in the walking dead. Like, my God, my God, my God, but you guys did it. It's over. It's over. It's over. Yeah, it's over. And we learned a lot of stuff. And so, okay. Oh, you know, it's really bad though. Our kids weren't even that traumatized. I think like, imagine a fifth grader who's now in like, a freshman in high school, and they just missed middle school. Or a sixth grader, you know,

it's like, my whole personality was developed in middle school. There's people who missed a lot of high school, like three years of high school. And then one year of remote high school, it's like, they barely went to high school. You know, I just can't even imagine how kinky these generations are going to be like, it's gonna be why? Well, because like, you know, within the pandemic, there was like a kind of like a medical BDSM happening. You know what I mean? Like all these restrictions and you had to wear some shit on your face. And like, you know what I mean? Wait, you think that like, oh, because like, right, my friend who is a dominatrix told me that like, her husband was into boots, because he used to live in Chicago, where all his mom's friends

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Look, it's coming. I mean, not only that, here's the other thing I've thought of, and I'd love to hear what you predict these generations are going to be up to, but the other thing I know is going to happen. Remember how the 80s parties, which I always hated, people would have those fucking 80s parties? Hated 80s parties. There's going to be pandemic parties when the thing is kind of a distant memory where you come in, there's a fake COVID test or something, and some of them are set to test positive. If you test positive, you've got to go into quarantine. You know what's going to happen, Natasha? What do you predict is coming? Well, I wanted to ask you that, actually, because part of writing my book is the world

deserves my children because only the idiots, you can't just let the idiots have kids. We need to create, because I was thinking, as I wrote it, I had read before, there's certain cultures that have kids not for this generation, but for five generations in the future, and they're thinking of way in advance. If you think about it like that, even though there is going to be coastal change in our kids' lifetime, and there's racial inequality and nuclear war, and the robots are coming, there's endless things to be worried about, it still is like, okay, but you can't just let the idiots have kids. What's going to happen to the world? But then I start thinking, isn't that a lot of pressure to put on our kids? Wait, so they're just supposed to be the liberal

warriors that save us from the only people who believe in science? When I was a kid, I just wanted to make out with my boyfriend and listen to music and climb out of my bedroom window. Well, I think we got a drop. I think this is the problem. Here's a problem. It all could be true, and if that's not our kid's job, you're pressuring them with all that shit for one. It's like, that's not going to help anything. Exactly what you're saying. It's important to get that for them to have their childhoods and get to be unencumbered by adult, the burden, some realities of living on a planet, and this is a very unstable situation on this planet through history. It's been unstable. I think you and I had a nice run. We got a nice run, but if you sort of look

historically at what's been going on here, it's always fucked up. There's world wars, civil wars, bubonic plague, mini ice ages, all kinds of like, you know. But isn't global warming getting worse and isn't nuclear war becoming more of a possible reality? Nuclear war is the same, I think, possibility. The moment we figured out a split, the Adam and decided to drop nukes on Japan, we opened up a Pandora's box that will never close. It's always there, always there in the background. Along with, I mean, everyone's like, oh, fuck, that nuclear war thing. It's like, you don't even know what they've got now. They figured out how to split the Adam and invent those bombs in secret. You think they'd stopped all of a sudden? They're

like, okay, let's stop trying to make super advanced weapons that give us global dominance and make us a superpower. They didn't stop. They're still working on shit. Who knows what? So not only is the weapons we know we should be afraid of, it's the weapons we don't know we should be afraid of. As far as like climate change goes, my God, just look back. I was just reading about this. I can't remember when it was. There was one summer, I don't remember the year, where it wasn't summer. It was winter everywhere because I think of a volcanic eruption just threw ash into the air and like cooled everything down. I mean, and also I just finished watching Graham Hancock's ancient apocalypse, which is so good on Netflix, sort of like pointing out

this like time, I think 11,800 years ago when like sea levels rose instantaneously and then everything froze because of a theoretical meteor impact, which hit the Greenland ice sheet. So I think like regardless of current carbon emissions and all that, even if like everyone just you snap their fingers, all the cars become non-carbon emitting cars, all the environmental stuff went away. The oil executives all like drink ayahuasca and they're like, I'm not doing this anymore. And we figured out how to turn plastics into like something that we could grow food, like regardless, no matter what, like if you sort of look at the history of planet earth, it's constantly getting smashed with meteors and unknown chaos variables that shift everything. So

the narrative, I've got, I've got something. Okay, go ahead. Wrap it up. I'm sorry for the narrative of we are the saviors of the earth. And now is the time is always been the narrative, no matter what, if you were born on planet earth, that is part of the reality is if you're an adult, yeah, it's your job, you've got to drive the bad news, you can't sit in the back of the bus anymore. But I don't think it's a new, it's not new. I think we've been, this is the story of being an adult, isn't it? Like you've got your, now you're, everyone is looking at you now. Okay, what do we do? Isn't late stage capitalism new? Well, I mean, you mean you're talking about like the, the realities of the money shifting into the like the way that the people were like

figuring out how the game works and then sucking all the money up into the like one percent or whatever. Yes. Yeah, no, I don't think it's new at all. I just think those people used to. I mean, it definitely happened during the Gilded Age. I used to study the Gilded Age, but then they, they didn't have income tax. So they took, you know, so then they gave income tax, everyone had to give up all their mansions because there was no way you could have 45 servants and, you know, these like massive homes without having these indentured people working for you for no money and then making all the money to have no income tax. But then, then every all this, what's happening now with Silicon Valley is that they just figured out how to, you know, not pay income tax again,

but quote legally. And there's just people whose jobs, people go to college to figure out how to consult people to not have to legally pay income tax. Well, I mean, income tax used to be called a tithe to the church that you had to do or to your king. I mean, there's always been kings. There's always been queens. There's always been some ruling class that has all the power and the difference now, I think in capitalism versus other times is that there's even this sense of that we like that doesn't seem right. If you say that out loud, this seems fucked up. And you're not immediately thrown in a dungeon and tortured on a machine. So I think that's really good. And, you know, as far as like, you know, bashing capitalism or whatever, is it capitalism

this fucked up? Or is it like, what happens when, you know, taxes start going to insane nonsense projects, you know, like the military industrial complex or, you know what I mean, where it's like, not only are you having to pay this amount of this, this thing, but the thing you're paying is either going towards like insanely expensive social programs that don't make any, you know, like, how does it cost that much money to put someone in a tiny house? You know what I mean? Where you're looking at like the amount of like, it's like the health insurance, you know, we're like, come on, stitches cost 50 grand. Like, what are you fucking talking about? That's obviously bullshit. So I think it's a combination of things. I mean, I'm not denying that like,

right now we face a series of rotten problems that you could say are relatively new AI specifically, if you ask me, but oh, that's pretty new. Yeah, Duncan, how can you say that's not a threat that that wasn't around during Rome? No, that was not around during Rome. I mean, but you know, whatever it is all of Rome, but what what I think, you know, within the sort of frenzy that people are getting into these days, you know, a lot of it being generated by like, on purpose by PR firms who want to like, fan the flames of this or that, you know, it's to like, get people upset if you get them upset, they'll buy this product over that product, also with branding, especially like, you know, people seem to have forgotten that corporations are

generally ethically neutral, they just attach themselves to social movements to like, try to make more money. So which produces a sense of a consensus that isn't even there. That's about my theory anyway. I think corporations are neutral. And so they attach themselves to agendas, but then what? Yeah, corporations are neutral. They do market analysis to find out what particular demographic isn't buying their product. They figure out what the ethics of that particular immortality or whatever the aspects of that particular demographic are, then they chameleon themselves to seem like that demographic, so that buying Charmin doesn't just mean that you want toilet paper. It also means that you don't like oil executives or whatever, you know, like,

it's it's branding, you know, so I know every oil executive has on their Instagram page, like, is their main bio like, we are dedicated to helping the environment. Yeah, exactly. And it goes into war too, it goes into government. So it's like, you know, it's like, you know, suddenly it's like, wait, why isn't the flag of Ukraine on your Twitter handle? What does that say about you? You know what I mean? And it's like, you know, no matter what, if you if you put that flag up, you're basically like supporting like weapons manufacturers, there's no way around it, like you put that flag up, and you're like, not only do I support how the freedom of the Ukrainian people and how awful it is that they got invaded by that

fucking rotten monster, but also Lockheed Martin, they're a pretty great company. They're doing great things for the world. You know, it just accidentally benefits people who have so much money from killing people. So, you know, and people seem to be forgetting that all of this stuff is being engineered. Like, you know, if you've ever gotten a publicist, you and you see through the veil of like how it really works, what you think Lockheed Martin doesn't have publicists, you think the Republican Party doesn't have publicists, the Democrats don't have publicists, you like all the Halliburton doesn't have publicists, the cigarette companies don't have public they all have publicists who like try to like shift social conversations so people will buy more whatever.

That's we should just take a year without buying. Yeah, yes, yes, just don't fucking buy anything anymore. Everyone that that is our real power, just stop buying shit. But we don't we disagree with each other. We think we're so different. That's the problem, isn't it? That thing you told me the other day, I can't stop thinking about what the power versus the compassion. Oh, right. Power versus compassion. My God, it's such a mess. It's like, everyone's all defend. Don't you think everyone's just so defensive right now, Natasha? Like everyone's just fully on like, what is it that lunatic said about Kanye? I'm death con three or whatever he said. What did he say? Death con three Kanye losing his

fucking mind. Yeah, everyone's on death con three or four. Everyone's like, got there like force fields up. Have you explained that thing before? No. I don't think I've talked about the compassion versus power thing. But come on, this is, I'm supposed to be interviewing you, Natasha. We've barely even talked about your book. I'm over here rambling. I had too much coffee. I mean, I just, you know, I like to talk to you whenever. So well, am I trying to lead the conversation? No, I like it. To me, I try to like get underneath all of the stuff that is whirling through my head, that is coming there because of whatever my data sources are that produces a sense of us and them. So what is the sort of, what are we contending with? It's like historically and

universally the same, which is old age, disease and death. If you take on human birth, you're going to die. And your kids, if you're lucky, will have to bury you. And that's what's really happening. No matter what, that's the thing, meaning everyone, everyone, the idiots giving birth, as you say, or the non idiots giving birth, the most powerful people or the most impoverished people, what are they all going to common? You know, what are they going to die? They're all going to die. They're all going to get old. And they all love their kids more than anything in the world. And they all want their kids to be okay. That's what everyone has in common. That's, and their mothers love them so much. That's what everyone has in common. And that's why in Tibetan, Buddhism,

the way into compassion starts with the mother, by like applying this cosmology in which we've been reincarnating so long that everyone has been everyone's mother. And so that when you're get buying food and you see the cashier, instead of just this is the person who like puts, runs the food through, this was my mom at some point in the vast infinite. And you look at them and you try to see your mom in them. And I know if you have a contentious relationship with your mom, as many do, you still love your fucking mom. You did when you, before you like understood anything. So you plug into that, and then suddenly it's not a them anymore. It's your mom, you know? So that's compassion. But if you don't see that in somebody, suddenly they're an enemy.

It's like, Oh, these motherfuckers, what the fuck? Why are they wearing a mask? The pandemic's over. Why aren't they wearing a mask? Don't they know the pandemic's not over? You know what I mean? And then you're like, Ah, we got to get them. They're going to get us. And then, you know, so that's power versus compassion. Yeah, it's hard to imagine wanting anyone to do anything, like wanting someone to be a religion, wanting someone to get an abortion or not get an abortion or wanting to control someone. It's so confusing. Well, I mean, look, I'm sure you, at some point, thought to yourself, you know, if I could just make everybody better, then my life would be easier, you know, like if only

or certain people better. Right. Right. You start thinking that like, my God, why won't that person just act like this? If they acted like that, then I would feel so much better. Because you're, I do, I mean, I'm speaking from my own dumb experience, you know, where you're like, especially, you know, when you're in a family, right? And it's easy to think, Oh my God, why is she doing that? I just look at that. I can't believe she's doing that. And she might be looking at you going, why, why are you doing that? What the, what is that? You know, it's so easy in a marriage to like do that. Whoa, well, she's wrong. I'm right. And you know, any, like I had this Zen, this wonderful Zen Buddhist teacher on my podcast, and he was like, you just have to start losing more.

Like I have to lose. You got to start losing. Stop trying to win everything. You know, stop winning. Have you? Yes. I love it too. It's the best. It's the biggest relief when you just stop blaming other people for why you're being an asshole. I don't know. You know, that's, to me, that's where compassion really starts is you're like, it's not their fault. Like if you're being a dick, you're being a dick because you decided to be a dick, you know, not because of like somebody did this or that, like you chose to be aggressive. It's a choice to be aggressive. If you ask me, that's power, power and aggression. It's also testosterone running through your body and like just instinct. And isn't it? It takes a lot of self-reliance to like, to just be like,

okay, I'm going to let myself lose. I mean, with Moshe, my husband, he like is in Facebook argument groups just for sport. He loves arguing. And it's exhausting. It's, some people love that. It's like a chess or something. There is a, there, I'm really into this like, these, these sayings in Buddhism, the lojong sayings, there's like, some of them I remember, some of them I can't. But, and I shift in my contemplation of them. And currently, the one I think about the most is, take all blames into yourself. So, I mean, just stop blaming other people. Take it into yourself. Even if someone around you is being just particularly rotten, stop blaming them for how you're feeling. Can I tell you one thing, Duncan, before you continue? Please stop me. It's your,

I'm supposed to be interviewing you. This is how women feel all the time. Wow. I mean, not, obviously not every woman, but I'm just saying sometimes as a woman, you want to like, you're trying to fight against that because that's just your, like, my kid's teacher was like, you know, she keeps saying sorry all the time. Even when she doesn't do anything wrong, she's just saying sorry or for, she puts her hat on wrong. She's like, sorry. And she's just saying constantly apologizing. And the teacher actually said to me, and she's probably getting it from you. And she's like, do you do that? And I was like, yeah, I must. And I started watching myself. And then I started witnessing my daughter and we'd be on her bike. And then

every time she would like, you know, not do the break, right? She'd be like, sorry, sorry, sorry. And, you know, it's a very female thing. Well, that's, you know, this is a little different than that. Taking all the blames into yourself does not mean that if somebody like, you know, I don't know, throws a Molotov cocktail into your window, you're like, sorry. Yeah, I threw the Molotov cocktail myself. You know, it doesn't, it doesn't imply like passivity in the face of reality or certainly not like pandering or dishonesty or like, you know, sort of like apologizing when you don't mean it. But it's more along the lines of you're responsible for how you choose to act. No one else is. And that's what you have control over.

Nobody else has control over that. So the habitual reactions to stressful situations that are often aggressive that you, that any human does, you don't have to, you don't have to do that. What happens if you don't? And, you know, as someone who is like really habituated himself to being an asshole and being aggressive and thinking anger is a justified means of communication to sort of wean myself from that addiction. And then to watch the way my life transforms around that is like so exciting. That's take all blames into oneself, which is not to say, if this person did that or that person did that, they're blameless, so to speak. It's, but it's like, but if this person does this, and then I am filled with rage, and then I choose to

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Music app. I'm telling you all, you're going to love it. It's hardcore. Thank you, Mr. Ballin. Okay, what about this? Since the pandemic was over, now three times I've found people just budding in line to me. Also, I'm really small and a lot of times when I'm out, I don't have, I'm like, people probably barely see me, I don't know, but I've definitely seen some egregious behavior and as a small woman, I always want to stick up for myself and not just let people cut in front of me just because they're an asshole or a dick or a dude or whatever. What do you do in that situation? Do you just swallow it and just sit back? I mean, I'm sure that's what Jack Kornfeld would do. I'm always like this. I don't think Jack Kornfield

would do that. I think it's case to case. Some people, when confronted with that situation, might feel a lot of fear inside of them. Because of that fear, they choose to not speak out, in which case, I don't know if that's good to make your, now they're making fear-based decisions. Some people, when that happens, they actually might see that person as their mother in another life, cutting in line in front of them and feel all that love and compassion for that person, but still be able to say, excuse me, I think the line starts back there. There's such a big difference in the reaction you're going to get when you go, hey, the line's back there versus what the fuck? What's wrong with you? I'm in fucking line. And that's that thing. That's what a lot of people do.

And so then when you're cutting in line and someone's barking at you, now your ego's that you're no, fuck you. And now you're living in New York. But it's all case to case. But I've just noticed that if like, you know, I, the more I can like sort of like cool down a little bit, then in those moments of confrontation, if the lower my aggression is, it doesn't mean you don't speak up for yourself, but I've noticed there seems to be a difference in the way people react to me. It's a fun experiment to do, but certainly nothing about passivity here, nothing about like, oh, just let them cut in front of you. They're just your mom. Don't you want your mom to cut in front of you? That's how it is. Take all blames to yourself. Okay, I like that.

Take all blames into yourself. That's a good one. Not in a neurotic way, though. I mean, because that's, that's spiritual bypass is what they call, I mean, it doesn't mean like suddenly like, let everyone like shit all over you or whatever. It doesn't mean that at all. You know, it's just like, what's your, what's going on? What's, what's your main, like, you don't have to say it on the podcast, but if you had to identify, what is like your main recurring sort of emotional like state that causes you the most trouble? For me, it's anger. Do you have something like that? Um, I can definitely, you know what it is, like, I think that it has to do with, you know, just sharing your life with someone like, you know,

Moshe has a lot of chaos and like, I don't want to be in his chaos, but I have to be in the chaos. And also it's not just him, it's then a kid and that, you know, and it's like, and then I, I have this feeling, this constant feeling of like, I don't, I'm not in control because I don't know where anything is. And my things have been moved and everything's a mess. And I, and then I just can't like, absorb that and just live my life. Instead, I like, I'm on edge. I don't really know how to describe that feeling though. What would you say that is? I don't know. Is it like, would you say it's, uh, is the, is the feeling a hot or cold feeling? I'd say it's hot. Okay. So yeah, it gets my blood pressure up. Okay. Okay. So it's like this.

So it's, it's, it's sort of, uh, um, like I'll come home and Moshe will spread out as the dog pad, the pee pad for the dogs to pee on like my brand new monogram towel, because he's just like, Oh, they need to pee on something and we're out of pee pads and he's not paying attention, you know. And so like, when something like that happens, I just start to feel, yeah, I start to like, my face gets hot. And I guess that's anger, mad. Yeah. You get angry. Yeah. So, so it's sort of, and then from that anger, you probably like, you know, react to that in some way or another, which, uh, is being flavored with that, all that anger, you know, and, and, and so, you know, the idea would be, um,

it's, is there a way to, when you're feeling all that, to look into the situation, do I have to immediately react to this? Like, is the house about to burn down? Is there like a need right now while I'm fucking pissed to like, to, to sort of deal with this? And so you, you can start doing little mini experiments. Like what happens if you don't? Oh, shit. There's the monogram towel. Oh, fuck. There's that familiar bitter feeling that summons words out of my mouth that are often not kind. What happens if I don't say anything? What happens? I'm pressing. There you go. There you go. You can. Actually, you can. You can. And that's a very exciting thing, but you don't have to. I'm not saying like, don't say anything. Don't, I'm just in my own, for my own personal experiments

here. It's like, okay, first I need to get familiar with this feeling because like, where else have I felt this? How long has it followed me around in my life? Where does it come from? Therapies helped that a lot with that too. So it's like, where is it? Where is it my body? What is it? And then when it shows up, then I'll think to myself, these are the causes and conditions from which I have generated lots of bad karma in my life. I remember that. Whenever I'm feeling like this, if I act on it, it never produces good results. And then either I didn't like, you know what? Fuck it. Let's do it again. Another shot of fucking rage tequila. You know, like, let me get back on the sauce. All right. One more for the road, baby. Or what happens if I don't?

What happens if I wait till tomorrow? And then, you know what I mean? Then I wake up in the morning. I'm still annoyed, but not as much as I was before. Or sometimes I, it doesn't even matter anymore. This thing that seems so fucking, I was so justified. Just who cares? And then, all of a sudden, I'm living in a different existence because like the aftershocks from whatever like, from the atomic bomb I launched, the nuclear missile I launched to the person for something they did, which I saw as like worthy of a nuclear bomb. It's like, now I'm not living in radiation. You know? And then that like, so that's, I think, what he meant by, just see what happens if you lose, like, experiment a little bit with losing. You've been winning. And how's that working out for

you? How's it working out? You know? I mean, is it changing anything with when you, when you have the confrontation over the monogram to owls or the particular like chaos? Has it made positive impact in your? No. No. And it's just then, well, you did this, well, you did this, well, you did this, you know, it's like, then you just get into, you know, the therapist called it, what about ism? Yep. Right. Now you're going through the role, the, the like memory, like, it's like, you've got this like invisible photo album filled with all the flaws of your partner. So it's like, you're, you're sort of flipping through like what you're like, it's a terrible game. Well, you did that. Well, but then what about when you did that? And you did that, you know? And what does it get you?

I mean, that's the main thing to me is like, and, and the thing that doesn't make sense about what about that is like it, Mosha wouldn't care if I took his towel and did some, you know, like he doesn't care about the same things I care about. So it's like, it doesn't really even add up to do that. Exactly. I mean, it's not to say like, fuck, that's my fucking towel. That means something to me. It might not mean anything to you, but it means something to me. Can you understand that? Like, I'm not saying it's not something worthy of like, you need to like, you can't ignore shit like that either. You can't pretend you're all spiritual or whatever when inside you're a furnace of rage. You'll get sick. Yeah, you're right. You're right, Duncan. Well,

Erin's lucky that you're so evolved now. Well, no, she's not lucky. I'm evolved because I love her so much. And I finally realized like, Jesus Christ, I've got to get this under control. Like, if I don't figure out a way to calm down, then I could potentially like lose the greatest things in my life. Like, it was, you know, but that's a subjective realization, you know, that was not because of anything other than like, like looking into my closest like community and seeing like, Jesus, I don't want to make these ripples anymore. Like, it's not working. That's the main thing. It doesn't, if aggression worked to bring peace to the world, think of the world we'd be living in. Think of, it just doesn't fucking work. As far as I can tell,

it temporarily might work. You can like, you know, you can go fascist, you can like lock people down, you can throw them in your like little personal gulags or whatever, you can isolate them from your love, you can like punish them, get revenge, you can try it. And it might temporarily work, but look what happens to dictators. Look how fascists and look at fucking Mussolini with his dick shoved in his mouth, hanging upside down. That's where it goes, Hitler in the bunker. You know, I don't know. It just doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe you could be more successful, though. I don't know. Maybe you can execute it better. I don't know. Maybe I'm just like, not good at like being in like, you know, you're right. And also you want to model that for your

kid. You don't want to model rage. Exactly. Exactly. That's it. That's it. You know, it becomes more than just like you. It's like, do you want your kid to like have this as an example of what it looks like to have a like, have a disagreement in the world? It's like, well, when you have a disagreement with someone, what you do is you get as angry as you possibly can until that person gets as angry as they possibly can, then you tell that person all the other shitty things they've done, then that person tells you all the other shitty things you've done, then whoever like comes up with the most shitty things, you know, and succeeds at making the other one walk into another room wins. What? That's not good. That's not good. I mean, I'm

working on it, man. I'm nowhere there yet is where I'd like to be. But I think it is possible to not to like cool this cool, the anger part down a little bit, you know? You work on yourself more than anyone I know, and you're so insightful. And it's so nice that you share, you share all that you learn in such an honest way. And this is the only podcast I really listen to regularly. So, and I remember when I used to live together, I would follow you around like trying to like cut like write down some of your analogies. I always remember thinking it was such a waste, like, because it's like, someone should hear everything you have to say. So, so nice that you're able to do that. Natasha, isn't it wonderful that we it didn't work out for us?

Look at this beautiful family. Look at your beautiful kid. Look at our beautiful look at our lives. I mean, it's like, and you know, like of all the people in the past that I have had relationships with, you know, like, I you're the one I like consider my dear friend. Like, I'm no animosity towards anybody. But I'm not but you're my friend. And I feel so lucky to be friends with you. I just think you are such a brilliant person. And I'm so happy for you. It's so I'm so impressed that you managed to write this amazing book in the midst of a pandemic. My God, like, congratulate, just congratulations. And, and, and I, by the way, endless honeymoon podcast is brilliant. You guys are so fun. That is so fun. And it's definitely the favorite thing

that I do. And, you know, we we give relationship advice, even though it seems like we need it too. But you know, it's also been a great way for me to just sort of hijack Moshe and bring things to him, and then let people weigh in. And he has gotten humiliated before, because he's very hard to argue with. So he has gotten humiliated before. And he like, and shamed to the point where he stops doing things like he was using my toothbrush for a while, like all the time, like just default, like that was his toothbrush. And I kept saying, don't use my toothbrush. And I would go to use the toothbrush and it'd be soaking wet. And so I mentioned it on the podcast. And so many people wrote in and were like, Moshe, that is 100% inexcusable. You should be ashamed. And he

has never done it again. It's been like six months. So Wow, progress. By the way, every single thing, I just have to put this out there. Every single thing that you're, that you're telling me he has done. Just know that I'm thinking, Oh, God, that sounds like something. No, Aaron, Aaron texted me and she was like, no, and Aaron even told me that she heard, your wife told me that she heard that like her dentist told her you could actually get like the gum disease your partner has if they use your toothbrush. Okay, great. So y'all have been texting about this shit. And you're right to. You're right to. And now it all makes sense. Now it all makes sense. Because at some point,

she came back from the dentist. She had bought me this really nice toothbrush. And the other day that's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm telling you. I would do that. I would just grab her. I need a brush. Brush my disgusting old man mouth. Leave the brush wet. And just like wander off to go stink up a room or something. Just disgusting. And she's like, what the fuck? So yeah, I mean, just like, wait, so she told you she came back from the dentist and with a new brush. And then the other day, because I've been on the road, I didn't have the brush upstairs. And she's like, where's your toothbrush? I'm like, oh, shit. Okay, it's over. It's over. My relationship with her toothbrush is over.

But you know what? It's so great about your podcast and what's so cool about you and Mosha, there's millions of things that's is how honest you are. And I don't think any couple in the world is going to benefit from some perfect couple and everything's great and all the things. That doesn't help any of us. Like it's hearing you tell me about the stuff Mosha's doing, taking personal notes and like, okay, I got to stop doing that. You don't have any monogram towels, but you know what I mean? Like the general vibe I get. I know I did that. I understand. It's just a towel. It gives a fuck. I get it. It's just a towel, whatever, man. The dog is, we don't want to piss on the floor, right? Just grab the towel. I'd rather have piss on the floor than on my towel.

I'm trying to help. You know, that's in my mind would be what I was thinking. Doesn't she see I'm trying to help. I don't want I was trying to do something right for once, you know, I could see why. So you know, I think your honesty and his honesty about that. And he's so brilliant and so funny. I think that the way together you all put that in the world is I'm sure you already know this is helping a lot of other couples. You know, it's really helped definitely got me through the pandemic because like it's such a crazy thing. Like in history, have we all had this collective thing before? I don't think that's ever happened. No, it is not. It's like it really kind of brought people together in a way like didn't matter if you were rich or poor or whatever.

It's like single married, like we all were going through this like level of isolation that it was unprecedented. And you know, I think that like just starting this podcast and then being able to like talk to people, it was pretty eye opening. Oh, yeah, I bet. I mean, it's some of the conversation. Some of the stuff and on the road to like some of the conversations you guys have like some of the stuff people tell you is crazy. That's the other great thing about the podcast is like you're hearing like you think you shit's weird with your marriage. Like when you're hearing some of this stuff other people are saying it's like, wow, wow, it does make you feel better about your life sometimes. Yes, it does. And I'm so glad y'all are doing I hope you never stop.

Natasha, thank you so much for giving me this much time. Everybody please, please order this incredible book, The World Deserves My Children. It's such great writing and I'm really excited for your next one. Do you have another one planned or are you like no fucking problem? Hell no. And if I could if you hadn't already signed your deal, I'd try to talk you out of doing yours. Oh my god, as soon as you when you said paper shortage, are you kidding? I'm just sitting here thinking like please God, please God, let there be another paper shortage. It would be the best day of my life if I was like, look, there's no paper. Oh, thank you. Are you writing? Yes, I am. I am writing. It's just not easy. You know that just

but you know, I'm I'm doing it. I'm scraping through. It's fun. Natasha, where can people find you? Well, go to the endless honeymoon pod. We're on YouTube. We also have a secrets hotline. You can see it all on YouTube and find out where to call and get my book. You can see it all on my Instagram, Natasha Legerro. And come see me on my book tour. I'll be doing stand-up, reading from my book, doing a Q&A and also signing the books and meeting you afterwards. I'll be in a few select cities. November 19th, I'll be in Boston. November 20th, DC. 21st, Philadelphia. 22nd, Nashville. 23rd, Denver. And the 28th, I'll be in Chicago.

Tickets at NatashaLegerro.com. Go see the book tour. Thank you so much, Natasha. Enjoy the rest of your book tour. And hopefully one day y'all make it out to Austin, we can all get dinner or something. Oh, I'll definitely come out there. Wonderful. Thank you. Bye. Hare Krishna. Thank you. That was Natasha Legerro. Everybody, don't forget to grab that book or the audible. The world deserves my children. Subscribe to her podcast, the endless honeymoon podcast of Moshe Kasher. A tremendous thank you to our sponsors. And a big thank you to you for listening. I will see you next week. Until then, Hare Krishna.

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