Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 604: Johnny Pemberton

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

Johnny Pemberton, brilliant actor and comedian, re-joins the DTFH (live from St. Louis with Duncan)! Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg. This episode is brought to you by: Rocket Money - Visit RocketMoney.com/Duncan to cancel your unwanted subscriptions and start saving! Squarespace - Use offer code: DUNCAN to save 10% on your first site. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self.

Captain Control's reality, Captain Control's time and space, Captain splits you into people, they populate some planet, with your scattered fragments. And when he recombines you, he relines time and you don't mind the call Captain controls reality, Captain controls time-space Welcome to the Dugga Trussell Family Hour Party! reality. Captain control finds faith. Greetings pals, it's me Duncan. You're listening to the Dugga Trussell Family Hour podcast. That, of course, is living in the captain's box by Mark Twain, his entire album, a scathing indictment of the Demiurge. That's just one of the many tracks that no doubt will put a thorn in that dark entity's side who has trapped us all in this simulated universe that feels real but also kind of seems like a big bad magic trick at a low rent magic theater that you went to because you had to

fulfill some obligation but you can't remember what the obligation is because you have amnesia from the run-in you had with the Time Warlock. We have a wonderful episode here for you today. Johnny Pemberton, who is out here in St. Louis with me, came to my room and we talked, we vibed and we recorded two podcasts. Actually, one of them I'm going to save for our new podcast we're doing together called Truth Defenders, where we take on a lot of the anti-truth movement. We had an anti-truther in the hotel room with us, a big old baby who just started crying

when we defended the truth and then sulked out. It's incredible to me how big babies have gotten. This is something we need to be looking into, by the way. I don't mean like insult, bully talk, a big old baby. This was a 250 pound baby. And that's a scary thing to see. They're cute when they're small, they're scary when they're that big,

and they're prone to fits of rage. And this big old baby wanted to make up all kinds of ridiculous things and misquote various research articles and we got down to it. I don't like doing confrontations on the DTFH, but when you see this new podcast with me and Pemberton and you see the reaction this baby had

to getting red-billed over and over and over again, a stroboscopic red-billed over and over and over again, a stroboscopic red-billed session, you will feel vindicated and happy that there are people out there defending the truth. I'm gonna be at the Funny Bone in Liberty Township, Ohio, March 9th and March 8th. After that, you can find me at Blue Room Comedy Club in Springfield. That's March 28th through the 30th and then I'll be at Hyenas April 12th through the 13th

and then Wise Guys Vegas on the 26 lots of dates on the website. you can find them at dougatrustle.com and many more dates to be added soon, including one that's really far out, The Wilbur in Boston, November 1st. I hope you all will come see me at one of these shows. All right, as you can see, my voice is wrecked from getting in that atrocious red pill fight with that crying big old baby. So I can't burn it out too much because I got to do two more shows tonight. So let's do this. Welcome back to

the DTFH. Don't get tested. Johnny welcome back to the DTFH We're out here in st. Louis. It's nice. Yeah, that's a Classic fall vibes. Yeah Crispy, you know, it's actually spring, essentially it's just spring. Is it spring? I'm seeing some tree budding. So you see some buds on the trees.

You see some of the bulbs poking up out of the ground already. Oh, thank God. I'm ready, I'm ready for the Texas blast. I'm ready to get roasted. I miss spring so much. I mean, we get it, but like the spring after a place it snows after spring, there's if you haven't grown up like growing up in Minnesota, when it starts to get warm, people get fucking crazy.

It's like, oh, it's Thursday. We're going to have drinks at 3 p.m. You go out and go to the bar and have beers outside. Yes. And it's just like you could get hit with a car. And as long as your leg isn't broken, I'm gonna go out and go to the bar and have beers outside. And it's just like, you could get hit with a car and as long as your leg isn't broken, I'm fine. I'm fine, I just feel so good. Yeah, man, I'm offended by winter. Really?

Yeah, it's just an annoying thing that we have to be on a fucking planet that has a relationship with the sun in such an annoying way. It's just really kind of absurd, actually. It's one of the things where, you know what I always say? Are we still doing this? No, I mean, I know.

Every, every winner. Are we still doing this? That's my new joke. That's my new hour. It's called, are we still doing this? Are we still doing this? Old age, disease, death. Are we still doing this?

I don't think so. Last time I went to the doctor. He's like you you're gonna have to do this. I'm like Are we still doing this thing where you tell me the thing and I don't do it and we act like I'm gonna do it Yeah, we still do this. I'm at the dentist. They says are you flossing like come on? I kind of am but Are we still doing this doctor? I owe this hammer driving home, knocked over a shopping cart with my car. No big deal, shopping cart was fine,

get pulled over by a cop. He's like, I'm gonna have to breathalyze you. We still doing this, are you? Are we still doing this? Like really? Give me a break. Are you really gonna breathalyze me right now? Like it's a shopping cart.

Take the money. Yeah, take the money. Take the money. Oh my God, I dropped $100 on the ground. Oh my God, is that a cigarette? Is that a rolled up $100 bill? I don't know. People aren't careful with their money.

Have you ever bribed anybody? Let me think about that for a second I don't I don't think that I've ever actually like like bribed someone like you know You hear about people doing yeah when they're in Mexico and they want to get right from a pharmacy Yeah, you have to carry around bribe money apparently that's that's scary. It really is just idea of I feel like I'd be so awkward. Like, you have to be a certain type of person. I think you have to have done it before, or have to grown up watching people do it or something. Just the idea of

like, because if you get rejected, oh, oh, yeah, that's got a sting. Now there's this offense. They're like, Oh, I don't Oh, no, I don't need your money. What? Do you think I take bribes? Usually that means you have to give them more. Oh yeah. Cause that's the other problem is that could just be

the beginning of like a bribe negotiation. Like in any good bribe negotiation, the person acts offended is like, you must be out of your mind. Right. And then you have to be like, oh God, I know I'm so, oh my God, I dropped another $100 bell. Is it like haggling, you think?

It is haggling. Have you ever haggled? Yeah, definitely. I've haggled. I hate it. I love it. Oh, God, I hate it so much. Well, why do you hate it?

Did you lose? Well, for sure I lost, but you just sort of, you know, in so many countries, it's like a tradition. Oh, you have to. If you don't haggle, it's considered offensive because it's like, if you accept the first price given, it makes the person think that, well, if they said yes to that, they would have said yes to so much more. Yes.

That they feel like they got cheated by you not haggling. Yeah. When, you know, when you with kids, you see how haggling is like built into us because they will haggle with you. Like it's it's lots of haggling and dessert negotiations and like that's funny yet because kids are like kids are slick. They're good. They're good.

Like because like my knee hurts. Yep. It's like it doesn't hurt. Yeah. You know, they made a mistake. One of them made a mistake. And at the dinner table, started doing what I had assumed was like a real cry, like a real sad cry that sometimes

they do in their room when they want to get out of bed before it's time to get up the middle. So he does this cry. but and then he laughs and then Forest laughs and I'm like, dude, what's that? And I'm like, can you do that again? Like that cry? And so then he starts doing all the cries he makes. And it's like, you realize, oh my God, that is incredible.

These are just like bird calls basically that he makes. Turn the camera on, start collecting that money. Yeah, it's amazing. Start exploiting him. Oh, right, oh yeah, get him on the gram. Yeah, get him on there. Oh my God, dude, that is such a disturbing aspect of modern life is the world.

And some of this shit that they do to kids on TikTok, I mean, like these trends will pop up that create this horrible week for all kids whose parents use TikTok like- Throwing the cheese on the face? Throw a cheese on a baby. Now all over the world, suddenly kids have to deal with the people they trust throwing cheese on their face.

I mean, the cheese one, I gotta admit, that is one of the funniest, dumbest things I've ever seen. It's just the, yeah. I feel like there's definitely, most of it is bad, but I don't know. You know, sometimes you see, when something's done a very particular way, it feels like it's fun and innocent.

Probably like the first time it happened, you know. Yeah. Everyone's laughing. But then that's how so many things are, where like the, it metastasizes and it turns, that's when it gets bad. Well, it just, the problem with it is, the big problem with it is like the kids can't consent to being fed.

Right, they can't consent. So like if somebody came up to you and threw cheese on your face as an adult and then uploaded to the internet, you probably wouldn't be that happy about that, especially if you had a bad reaction to it. You know, like a lot of kids do. So it's like, that's the problem is like now forever online,

you have like your fucking shitty parents throwing cheese on your face. And then the other problem to me is, now basically you're telling your kids when they have more neurons in their brain that in any other time, when they're just taking in the universe, shaping their personalities,

you're basically saying, non-consensual, like non-consensual, cheese slapping. Cheese slapping and Filming is a way of expressing love in the world. Yeah, and that you know, that's that's we're gonna see legions of the most annoying Teenagers doing like you think that like classic YouTube person in the mall It's like let's see what happens if I blow whistle and this old man's here. He got mad, why are you mad?

It's gonna be a million times worse than that because of this shit. Because it gets implanted in a kid. And it's like, oh, this is a good form of communication. Yeah, it's how they learned to experience love. Right, yeah, the camera means that someone loves you. And that's, and it's gonna create like waves, like just tsunamis of fucking porn.

Like we are gonna have so much fucking porn because they're gonna associate a camera filming them with love. Like they're not fully embraced or what they're doing is meaningless unless it's being filmed. Well, there's all kinds of old school film theory about that too, about how the camera is an eye.

And when you're viewing something, the camera is innately human, and that whole idea of viewing a thing changes it. You can't just look at something objectively because the thing being looked at changes the nature of the reality that you're... Yeah. because the thing being looked at changes the nature of the reality that you're, because you are, by looking at something,

you are giving a perspective. There's no objective perspective at all. It doesn't exist. And so there's the idea where anything you're filming, it is a viewpoint. You're casting a judgment. And so it's this thing where anything that's being looked at is like it's a thing where anything that's being looked at is

It's like it's a form of objectification. Yeah sure no, it's maybe like really soft or mild But it's still it's still something where you are viewing the thing. It's not if it goes unviewed. That's the only way to have it be not objectified you But the idea is the home is this kind of like temple. Yeah. Sanctuary. Sanctuary. Within that temple, it's you and your family, the world's out there, the moment you turn

the eyeball on, because also you have to think what's the intent of the eye. Like there's, I'm going to film my kids because they're fucking cute and I want to have videos for the rest of my life of them that I can go back and look at, they can go back and look at, but when the, it's not just an eye, it's a door and that door opens up to the world and the world that's watching your fucking kids,

and your filming and sharing, not because in your heart, you're like, I just want the world to see how much I love my kids, because you wanna monetize them. Well, that world statistically has a lot of creeps, weirdos, kidnappers, lunatics, and statistically when you have a big following and you put your kids up there, statistically you have got some real fucking loons

watching your fucking kids and guaranteed some of them are jerking off to your fucking kids. So, and you know that. So the calculus that you're doing is like, you know what, I'd rather have some anonymous strangers jerking off to my fucking kids and make money, passive income through my social media than like not have anonymous strangers jerking off

to my kids. And so then you have to ask how much is that, like how much is it worth? How much would it is it worth for you to have anonymous strangers jerking off to you throwing cheese on your fucking kids face? And if you have a number for that, you're an asshole. You shouldn't have a number. There should be no number there. It's also like everything is that almost everything you do is that sort of negotiation of is there's always gonna be some, anything you put out there, anything you put on the world,

there's always gonna be some portion of it that gets viewed negatively. You have to like weigh the cost and the fit. But your kids don't decide. Right, but the kids are the thing where that should not be a thing. It should just be a, what do you call it? A non-starter.

It's a non-starter. And then also the short-sightedness of these people because they don't seem to understand the trajectory of technology at all. So in their minds, they're like, OK, fine. Maybe there's a few fucking weirdos getting off to my kids videos. And yes, you're weird for saying that. Oh, yeah, right. But it's like, it's just true. You can look this up, they know the numbers.

You remember that trend that happened on YouTube is so fucked up. And, you know, I guess with some credit to YouTube, they like fixed, they tried to fix it anyway, but basically when there was a more unregulated form of YouTube in the comments, so you'd have like some parents, they post a video

of their kids at the swimming pool. No big deal. It's got like 200 views. And then all of a sudden, those views jump up. Oh, because they're tagging. 30,000. You're saying something in there? Well, it's time codes.

So they're putting time codes in the comments. You go to the time code and it's like a crotch shot of a fucking toddler. So then YouTube cracks down on that but my point is so they This revealed this dark network of petos that were working that were Collaborating to find moments like that so that you don't have to waste your time going through the whole pool video So dude truly like truly. How are you a pedo on the go? Yeah, I don't have time for this. I gotta get back to the fucking bank.

But like, so this, so the other bit of calculus you have to do when you're thinking, I'm gonna post this really cute picture of my kids on YouTube and send the link to their grandmother who wants to, who will see it, whatever, is that not only is there a massive network of these people out there who are working together to find the best YouTube clips, but also the technology that they have available to them now, they pull the video of your kid out,

deep fake your fucking kid, and then start making creepy videos. And that's the other thing is like, and then take it a little further. Take it a little further, and I mean probably a lot further, 3D printers that can print masks for the androids that you're gonna be able to lease pretty soon.

I never thought about that, Jesus Christ, yeah. So you know what I mean? So now it's like, you're essentially, the kid can't consent, even if the kid is like, I want you to upload it. They don't know what that fucking means. So now you're not just like opening up a portal to the demon universe, but you're also

in opening up a portal in the future for God knows how many people having a fucking Android version of your fucking kid and also duplicating their voice, their personality. Do you really fucking wanna do that? Like, are you crazy? People, I think most people just don't really think about it. They're not thinking about it.

A lot of people are, for lack of a better word, innocent about stuff like that. Cause they don't think they would never do something like that, never even enter their mind. And so you just think like, so that thing where, you know, why, oh, someone broke in my house and stolen thing where you know, why, oh, someone broke my house and stole my stuff. It's like, oh, I guess I didn't lock the door. It's

because like, I would never do that. If you're like a dummy kind of innocent person. A lot of times you don't think on the terms of what a criminal does because criminals are conniving and ingenious. They do bad things. So you just thought a lot of people just, I think they just truly don't really consider it. And it just thought a lot of people just I think they just truly don't really consider it. And it's just a form of ignorance, right? Just a form of ignorance. But at the same time, some of them are just yeah, callous pieces of shit that don't give it don't give a fuck. But it's like, you know, gravity doesn't care if you don't know about gravity, you're just dead meat when you walk off the cliff. And, you know, buffoons are all over the world,

that's for sure, and their lives always suck because it doesn't matter, the universe doesn't care. Which the cops say, ignorance of the law is not an exemption from it. Yeah, or a physics or anything like that. And when you're a parent, if somehow you're oblivious to the fact that there is like your, that the popularity of your YouTube videos about

your children. Yeah, it is. If you really think there's like a ton of people out there wanting to watch your fucking kids play in the yard. That's why your video has so many views is because the massive demand of people to watch children go play at the playground. Then I don't know if that, you're something more than a buffoon at that point. You're like, you're just a perfect vampire slave, I guess. You're just like, yeah, Dracula's awesome.

He gives me nice clothes. He's like, yeah, I feel a little tired when he leaves, but he's cool. Like, I don't think it's, I don't know. But yeah, I agree with you, man. What about the AI aspect of it now? Like, you saw those, I mean, you obviously saw those right away, those, is it Sora?

Is that what it's called? Sora? I can't wait. Yeah, that feels, I've watched a bunch of guys commenting on that. There's one guy who just really like says like, you know that this is not going to be used for anything, like 99% of it's going to be used for poor. It's going to be used for doing bad things.

It's not going to be like a thing that's going to be used for. Like I get AI for analyzing an x-ray like that Does amazing stuff analyze AI for finding? New materials to combine like material science stuff that works amazing, but he was saying that like This new the video generation thing that he thinks it's just a hundred percent Like gonna be used for nefarious purposes. Well, I mean, you know, this is like, if you want to do trend analysis when it comes to technology, all you have to do is think about market pressure.

And from that analysis, you can come up with what any new technology is going to be used for. So what do people want and what's hard to get right now? And then from that, you can like, come he's right. Yeah. But I don't think he's like, I don't think he's like, right about his 90%. Like, I mean, it'll be, it'll be some, yeah, I just like to hear people talk about it. I think it's really interesting because it's like this very, it's like, it's such a, a watershed moment and people disagree about it

so much. Yeah. Because you obviously do it. What would you say this about the printing press? It's like, you know, no, but there is an argument to be made that it's that it's similar to that. But I can't help but think that like the scale and the fact that you're making something that's so scale and the fact that you're making something that's so realistic that's based upon existing things. It's not making something from a whole cloth. That's not creating it. It's taking, it's sampling, God knows how many things and creating is something that's quote unquote new, but it's taking it from existing footage. I mean, this was the argument against like early hip hop samples is right. It's the exact same argument Which is like you can't just take pre existing music, right? But beats over it and then call that your music. Yeah, you know, that was a big argument. That's not music

And it got settled. Yeah, I got fucking settled and and but the It seems like the Okay, so the, it seems like the, okay. So the argument against AI art is what is happening is the AI art has trained itself, the AI trained itself on other artists work and is creating a highly sophisticated collage, essentially of existing works of art. So now collage, if a human does collage, like if I go through,

you're totally allowed to do that. Totally allowed to do it. It's, it's actually, you know, a completely accepted thing. So if I do that, not an IP violation, if so, and so then this is where it gets interesting. Okay. Great. Okay. If so, and so then this is where it gets interesting. Okay. Great. Okay.

What imagine this? I have a super advanced automated pair of scissors. And so I throw on the ground like a hundred different works of art. And they cut up. You're talking like you're like Jeff Coons or something. You're an artist who has a staff. Yeah. Of like a hundred people. You say, I want to train that hangs from a crane. Yeah. Over a cup of water. And then they go do that and you just go on to the next thing. That's right. So is that I it's basically the same thing, right? Well, it's or because you're

using a bio computer. And that from that perspective, it's considered okay. Right. But if you were to use a machine, like some weird scissors or some device that, that did the manual labor itself, uh, and, and chose those things, then, then what is that? Is that theft? You told the scissors what you wanted them to make out of the national geographic pages and they made it, but you didn't do it. You told the scissors to do it. So now is that theft? No. I mean, I don't know. And I don't know. And so, but that's where the argument starts getting

really interesting. I don't know what the answer is to it. And then because you have to, I really don't know. That's, I don't either. I feel, I do think that though, that, most of the stuff that it makes is, is not very good. It sucks. Thank you Rocket Money for supporting the DTFH and thank you for your app. I mean that. You guys, this app is incredible. You want to hear something pathetic? I didn't know that I had a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. I don't even remember getting the subscription.

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listening to music when I know the person making it, there's something about it. Like my friend Steve, I've known him for, you know, 25 years, right? And he, we pleased to play in a band together and stuff and he makes music at the time and he's, has his songs he's written that are like 20 years old and I still listen to him all the time. There's something about them. Like I just love the way they sound. They're not especially unique. They sound like, you know, a certain type, like a style, like maybe like a 90s rock, like my boy Valentine kind of sound. But when I, when I, some of that, when you know the person or at least you feel

like you know the person making the thing, yeah, infuses it with like an extra, like you know the person making the thing, infuses it with like an extra, there's like an extra ethereal layer of something in there that to me makes it a more enjoyable. And I think that's why I think it's as much as people are like, oh my god, it's gonna take all the jobs. I don't think it is actually. I really think it's not because people like making art. So people love to do it. Like it's the process that people love. Yeah. And people love consuming it because the love of the process

is infused into the product and the story surrounding the product is part of the product itself. Just that no one wants, I mean, some people do just want like fucking hotel art, you know? That's really just, that's just a product. You know, it's like a thing where this is literally just, that's just an image. You don't care about the provenance of the image because it's just supposed to do the job of being a, other than a blank wall. But you know, the idea that like it's going to like take away all this stuff from people. It just doesn't make sense also

because it's based upon stuff that people have made. So AI needs input. Well, to that, to the point you're making regarding like taking jobs. I know for sure when I come up with an idea for like a sketch or something at the beginning of my podcast and I think I need like a sophisticated sounding British male voice to say this.

Yeah, but then, but even that, like calling you up, I know you do it, but then now I have to call you up and then I have to, you know, bother you and maybe you don't have time and then, but maybe I need to get the podcast up. So, uh, to me, it's like going on, let's say fiverr, right, which I've used fiverr to get via work before. So to me, the, I'm not going to hire someone on fiverr to do that British voice in any reality because it's a 15 second thing that I don't even know is gonna be funny.

I want to see if it's funny. So that, so that was never going to happen anyway. No one's losing work. I just want to like actualize some low level transient idea I have. And so from that perspective, I don't think that people are losing work there. I think really what's happening is it's giving people who like to make stuff the ability to actualize what's in their head

in a really fast economically feasible way. And that's good. That's a net positive if you ask me. But I'm making a podcast. So, but, you know, let's say that now I'm, I want a commercial. I'm doing a commercial. And I know I could hire an artist to make this frame that I need for the commercial. I know that the, to get the artist, I'm going to have to go probably through the artist's reps who wanna cut and it's gonna take a long time

and there's gonna be a lot of weird licensing deals that I have to do and contracts and stuff. And so I'm just thinking to myself, you know what? Why don't we just generate this with an AI? And then I'm not using the artist in that case. And then that's where people are losing jobs from the commercial corporate level. It's gonna happen a lot for sure.

It's gonna happen no way around it. Especially like the stock footage industry. I mean that's that's their fuck. It's done. That's you watch you look at some of that stock footage is it's done for. Well but then I guess the hope for the art for the artists who are making their entire living from selling their art to corporations as many of us are, is that it's like, okay, fine. This, let's go back to what's it called the new chat.

SORA? SORA. Okay, great. So I can now tell SORA theoretically, just based on the clips I've seen. And I'm very excited about it because, and it's like, I was going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like,

I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm gonna generate this or that a minute clip, right?

Well, that's not gonna be enough. That's not gonna like be a perfect representation of what's in my head. I'm gonna take whatever the thing generates and then I'm gonna throw it in premier. I'm gonna edit it. I'm gonna like work with the pre-cursor. I'm gonna massage it. I'm probably gonna fill my own stuff to add to it. And then I'm gonna make something that's like uniquely mine using that as one of the tool.

Yeah. So yeah, I think that the idea that it's just going to take over is ridiculous. And I think any of the stuff that is just that your looks like shit, It's lifeless, soulless, but I feel like when I can like take the AI and work with it and add stuff to it and then mix the AI with real video and not do the thing that right now is like, I think is probably going out of fashion, which I certainly am guilty of.

You were, we were also excited by AI and the AI art in the beginning. You get the AI to generate some bullshit, and then you post it on your fucking Instagram or whatever and you say, and AI did this, that's a whole wave of shit out there. And those inevitably mine included suck, because you really are doing it more as a demonstration

of a cool new technology then, because you wanted to make art. You're just playing with the toy. Yeah, you're playing with the toy. And that's cool, but I think the next wave of AIR is going to be where people calm down a little bit and start learning how to collaborate with it in ways that warm it up and make it more human. And that, I think, could potentially

create some kind of like renaissance. Yeah, I mean, I think I used that same word, but I was thinking more than it'll, uh, there'll be, I keep thinking that there's gonna be like a massive rejection against it and the things that sort of all the things that it represents and the things that it creates. Cause if it, let's just say worst case scenario, cause like right now, if you look at that those videos Everyone says okay. Just remember. This is the worst. Yes. It's ever gonna look. Yes. It looks amazing right now And this is the worst. All right, gonna look it's gonna look so on a year. That was a year ago

We were watching like that video you made Though for the for the song we did yeah, like that was you spent a lot of time on a lot of time It's really good, but compared to this stuff It looks like crap crap because it's not even close to it and that was just a year ago Yeah, a year from now these videos are gonna be kind of 100% in Indistinguishable from from something that's been filmed. Yep. And so when that happens It's like a thing where I get might open up this I Don't know. I guess I just keep thinking that there's all gonna be a rejection

some sort of like a massive rejection to Not just that but all the things that represent so like the the massive kind of capitalizing of of art and image generation and any kind of creativity that there'll be like a rejection to it. And the Renaissance will be not using it. It'll be, it'll be like, I guess it maybe will be

like you're saying, like a combination of people taking what we have, but using it in a way that is, it's not like feeding into the, the machine of it. It's like using it, using it. I mean, like the Fremen or something like that, like Fremen technology, where you're sort of off the grid, but you still have technology that you use. It's very advanced. Well, you know what I mean? I, you know, not to oversimplify it. I think people love good art. They love good stories, good movies. They love it to this day that something most people

have in common is that like, and not even like a movie or a story, but a well-made thing. People love it and there's something magnetic and attractive about it and it makes you happy, it inspires you. And so the method of constructing that thing to me is part of the thing itself. Like the process is part of it.

Every aspect of what you're doing is part of it. But I think that after the initial tsunami of garbage content that people are making, which by the way, to me, that's exciting. It's like, I mean, imagine a preschool where only 10% of the kids got access to crayons and paper. Yeah. The other 10%, the other 90% have to watch

and maybe they get to see the work. That'd be a fun experiment. Fun experiment, kids would love that. Well, I guess I could stand for a prison experiment but for kids. That's. Kids would love that. Well, I guess like the Stanford Prison Experiment, but for kids. That's a great show. But so right now, like when it comes to movies, in particular, if you look at it as a box of crayons,

look at the entire production. It's a big $50 dollar box of fucking crayons. Mixed in with time. And to get access to that box of crayons before you can even start drawing. I know this argument. This is the one about like you can make a movie now without having, you know, it's like the,

you don't have to have a film studio to make a movie. Well, it's literally what happened. Yeah. With Link later, like. What do you mean? What happened with him? With people who started making like Mumblecore or Low 590s. Yeah, Andy movies, right.

Well, they were eight. Why were they able to do that? Because technology allowed them to. Exactly. Right. So technology allows them to make. Yeah. So all of a sudden out of the blue, a form of movie that no one had ever seen before emerges on the scene.

Totally. And people fucking love it. And it changes, filmmaking, it changes, it's in the history books when it comes to movies. And that is because of technology becoming more accessible. And also allowing maybe people who just didn't want to navigate the studio system, didn't want to go through getting funding via like MGM or something like that. And so boom, now we've got this incredible, insane new genre. So this to me is what it's going, we're gonna get a tsunami of garbage. Right, it's gonna be a lot of garbage. And some kid God knows fucking where,

who never in a million years would have made a movie, is going to make one of the coolest movies anybody ever saw. Not just using this technology, but using like all the things we've learned from the DuPlace brothers from link from all the indie filmmakers it's gonna be this hybrid of these things mixing together and it is gonna be fucking incredible and really good for everybody. Yeah I think it's

definitely possible it's definitely one of the outcomes I mean I don't I think it's all over the place. I'm putting my money on that outcome. It's definitely one of the outcomes. I mean, I don't Have to get over the place. I'm putting my money on that outcome It'll be one of out one of the outcomes, right? Because it'll be it'll be everything. It'll be so much stuff but I think it's like It's in the landscape The way that I mean the other thing that people talk about with AI is the idea that Okay, big tech definitely makes AI.

It's not good thing. They don't make money off it. They're losing tons of money off it. It costs, well, how much does it cost? It costs some crazy amount of money to do it, right? Yeah. Like how much it costs to run these servers? Yeah.

What is it like 100? It's not like $100 million a day. It's something that's like- It's a lot. It sounds not real. When I heard it, like, that can't be true. It's a lot. It's a lot. But you also they they do have they've like at least with open AI They've monetized it in a way that at least they're getting their money back except for people who go in and use it for the first time

So I have a subscription to it. I get a certain number of prompts to GPT for Yeah, her like every few hours, And I think I could increase that. If you get the API, maybe you wanna design it. It lets you design an app that would interface with it. Then you buy essentially tokens that, so if somebody's using my app to interface with chat GPT, every interaction costs, I have to pay for that, the app creator, meaning that you have to create

a some subscription model or add model for your app to so that you can keep buying tokens and users. But the point is, it's not like they're just hemorrhaging money. It's the interactions that people are having with it. They've monetized. But that's because they have to make it. It's like with Uber. They made it really cheap for the first two years because Google gave them a ton of money Yeah, so they can build up the app make it work make people want to use it Yeah, basically destroy the cab industry and so they are the the primary they become the cabs and then Once that happens they can start making a profit because they can start charging more for the service because they charge it They gave it away for free at first. I mean, it's like a drug dealer kind of thing in a way like not it's nice

I mean, maybe it's isn't city as some people would say But it's essentially the same as that you make it easy to access initially for a while So people want to engage with it and then when it becomes this thing It's you have to use because it's like a tool. It's become part of society then you charge for it and it becomes this thing that you have to use because it's like a tool that's become part of society, then you charge for it and it becomes a thing where you have to pay to use it and you have to pay for processing all this stuff like that. But I don't know, I mean, I guess I always just think about

because I'm always wanting to just have a landline and like, I wanna be forced to have to, I wanna be forced to have to like disengage, you know? Like, how about- Yeah, I know, I know what you mean. Like collapse, I think a lot of people get- Hold on, sorry, I'm an old man and I don't know how to turn off-

Your messaging? My messages. Your alerts? We'll just let this run. That's Aaron. And like, I just like, it's so sad. She's like just sending me adorable pictures of the kids. Right. So the dings that just happened and all the shit

that we're all dealing with right now. That I think when in movies that are like talking about this time period, that will be a comedic device because... Oh yeah, it already is. Yeah, people. The idea that you're getting like paying a bunch and getting text and people, people were all infinitely get ahold of bull.

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And again, this is just like how I do any prediction about anything. I just think, okay, where's the market pressure? So the market pressure here is I do want to be able to like communicate with my friends and have that come through my phone, but I don't want to have to deal with like putting it into silent mode all the time. Sometimes I forget, sometimes for whatever reason,

I do it the wrong way. So I think you like in Apple is with a new phone, they already understand this. So they've got this button that makes it easier to put your shit in a silent mode. What is it? It's this side button that you hold it down. That? Oh, maybe I don't have the new OS.

Well, I just called the cops, no. You just called an airstrike. That's the lower button. But what that is is like, you know, for anything on the new iPhone to appear, it's happening because of an analysis of what people want and an implementation of that, meaning they know we're sick of the dings.

They know we wanna shut the door and lock it and not get annoyed. And they understand that that's actually a feature. That's an angle where you can sell more phones. So I would say one of the things that's gonna emerge is AI gets incorporated with like the next gen iPhone, which it definitely will. Chat GPT gets incorporated with the Amazon Alexa

or whatever they're like in-house neural network is that it will become sensitive to what is happening in that moment. It will know, oh, a podcast is happening. And then you will be able to say, hey, if you know I'm podcasting, put it on silent mode. Don't make a joke. I don't like anything that decides for me.

Like someone's wants something, when something does auto correct, I'm like, no, I wanted to say, like I want to say what I want to say what I want to say, I want to spell this wrong. There you go. I want to spell with 14 Ns. See this is. That kind of stuff drives me insane.

And it makes me want to just not have, like it makes me just hate technology so much that I want to just get a fucking landline. And like, because I mean, but it's a personal thing because I have a problem with it because I am not good at regulating with it. I'm not the kind of person who, yeah,

but you and I are definitely different. You have like a, you are happy to like, to just enter, you happy to just, you know, you will hold up, you can hold up, you can like just talk to people on through texts or something like that, you know, you will hold up, you can hold up, you can like just talk to people on your texts or something like that, you know, you're much better at doing that. I got off my grand addiction. I did have it for a while. And then something just happened and I'm about to do that. I'm literally about to after starting on Monday, I'm going to

like just shut it all down for at least a week. But I lurk. I mean, that's the other thing is like, I shouldn't say that I'm off my week. But I lurk. I mean, that's the other thing is like, I shouldn't say that I'm off my grand addiction. I'm just saying I got off, you know, like we all did, we all went through the Twitter phase. We all went through like trying to come up with clever fucking tweets. X actually it's X now. Isn't that strange? Okay, what I do, I do not understand at all. Why you do that? You know what really makes me feel like I'm insane? Why would HBO change its name to Max? I don't understand it.

I think I know why. Why? I mean, this is just my opinion. I wanna ask someone who actually knows, like someone like a lawyer or something like that. It has to be for money, right? It has to be like a thing where, so we have a separate, it's now a separate company,

so we can like do things we couldn't do before. It's like if you had an LLC that was making guns, it's like, oh, I'm not making that. The LLC called Trukel Duncan's, Trukel, you know, it's like some other thing. It's not me technically, it's someone else doing it. It was getting out from under some contractual obligation. God knows what. Cause why would you take the, like the most, it's like if doing it. It was getting out from under some contractual obligation. Yeah. God knows what.

Because why would you take the most, it's like a McDonald's tomorrow, change her name to Snippies. You're like, but everyone knows it's McDonald's. Like, you know, we just decided it was time to be Snippies. It's like, what are you guys hiding? Well, the X thing. Why would you cut off your nose despite your face? It's weird that like they like max,

it's got that X at the end. Like what the fuck is that? Elon Musk is into X. So it's like, is there some like analysis that's happened where it's like, if you have X in the name of your product, it's gonna sell more people, like somehow connect with the X. Is it some like, you know,

is it some modern day version of what they used to do? I don't think they still do it. Maybe they do where, and this is really like a hot take and there were so many new stories about it, it's subliminal advertising. So, you know. It's illegal. Oh, it's illegal now.

It's illegal. You can't do it in films because it's so fucking effective. So Freud, so the, like basically It's illegal, you can't do it in films because it's so fucking effective. So Freud, so basically, you know, people just don't realize how much Freud impacted popular culture. And so Freud identifies this like model of human psychology, which could be used to heal, but definitely used to manipulate the sex instinct,

the sex drive, yeah. And so now now if you look at a pack of camels from the old days, it's a dude standing with his dick out. Yeah, all that stuff. All that stuff. Vagina is in like fucking Pepsi commercials for sure. It's a vagina. We're going to tell them there's something like wet in the commercial. It's like, that's jizz. It's jizz for sure. It's jizz spraying. Yeah. And, but now I guess because like we're less sexually

repressed as a culture, it's like commercials now are just overtly sexual. Yeah. Instead of subliminal sexuality, it's just like, no, this is a fucking commercial that's like almost porn. And so, but so maybe X or the sudden like proliferation of sex sex XXX so it's just another version of some fucking linguistic subliminal thing that like is somehow like they think is connecting to people's horny qualities I

don't know man what's that? Don't confuse something being malicious that can be explained with ignorance. Yeah, don't attribute it. Don't attribute. Don't it goes. Don't attribute to malice what could be explained for ignorance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Usually like so much stuff is that I always want to think something's malice But then you think about like no people are just Like that's how most conspiracies that feel like you can undo the conspiracy Like 9-11, right? Did they did they blow those buildings up? It's like people can't fucking manage to get a sandwich order Correct. Like are they gonna really? Okay, well that okay, so that is a so the common critique of most

large-scale conspiracy theories is human beings are too incompetent to pull off that level of conspiracy. Right. That's the critique. And so some things. Yeah, but I'm not with everything. Yeah, but but some things. So it's the moon'm not with that of everything though. Yeah, but some things. Yeah. So the moon landing classic example, like to pull off that level of secrecy. Or like tartaria? Or tartaria.

I love that stuff. Tartaria fucking mud flat is the best. But I think that I disagree with it because I think what you have there is a kind of idealism. The notion being that people, actually it seems like it is an idealism because you're trying to reduce human intelligence to a place where we're just not smart enough to do that. There's just no way that people are smart enough to do that. And I think that's an, I don't agree with that. Is there a smart enough?

I think it's a level of organization. You know what I mean? I feel like intelligence and organization are kind of different things. It's one thing for a person. I think that one person can do almost anything they want, especially if they have like ultimate power. If you're like a dictator and you have 10,000 people out there who are like going to have hammer and chisel that

you can do anything you want. You have time and power. You can do anything. But the idea of organizing something that's covert, I think that's almost since sometimes I'm like, you really think like the flat earth thing, right? The whole people who believe in flat earth, I think most of them are, they've been abused. You know, they've been like, these are people who have been abused. And this is their, the world they live in is so, they can't make the things meet because they're so hurt that they can't so hurt that they can't, they decide that the world they live in is a 100% fabricated lie because that absolves them from, God, it's so hard to say this. But basically, like, if that's a lie, then you don't have to sort of like live in the same world where this bad thing happened to you? Well, okay, this is something this brilliant philosopher, author Douglas Rushkoff taught me about conspiracy theories.

He's the best. Team Human. I think that's his podcast. Anyone listening, you should listen to it. But so, okay, so look at Flat Earth as a metaphor instead of taking it literally. Oh, it's definitely a metaphor. Okay, right. So what he's saying is like, what's happening is people are translating something that is

like actually happening into a literal whatever. Flat Earth, you literal whatever flat earth, you make hollow earth, you name it. So the flat earthers, I think, though, I, again, this is like where I so wish that I was a billionaire, because I would do these studies. Right. And, and but so I would do a study, if you said that to me, and I was a billionaire, after the podcast, I'd call up my assistant and I'd be like, hey, hire a research team.

I want to do some kind of analysis of people who believe in flat earth, psychological profile. Is there a history of abuse? Because I think that's a really interesting hypothesis and would be really fascinating to find that. But from Rushkov's perspective, if you look at flat earth, and so like think of that first if we're going to break it down into symbols, what is the earth represent or what is what is so the earth is home base, it's where we all come from.

It's the fundamental primordial mother commonality commonality is the thing that we all have in common. So what a flat earth or is saying is the general perception of the origination point of all life has been warped by the elite. Right. That's that's what they're saying. So I think if you look at it from that perspective, you could make an argument for that. You could say, yeah, for sure, like state entities, people in control, people wanting to push some certain paradigm agenda or whatever to distort reality as is to make people behave in certain ways.

Yeah. So I guess, yeah, it's people who are, they feel voiceless and they feel like they're not being heard and they feel like they're being taken advantage of. Hoodwinked. They feel hoodwinked. Hoodwinked. They feel all these things. And so in a way you could say they are, they are being abused because we kind of all are in a sense,

if you compare the way we live to someone who lived 5,000 years ago, the way that we are forced to live by all these modern constructs, it is essentially, it's very unnatural and it's sort of abusive to ask people to do. Like I think it's abusive to ask someone to sit indoors for eight hours and not be able to move around.

That's not, we're not designed for that. It's bad. No, right. And so yeah, and then so if you sort of look at that, if you sort of think like, well, the earth is spherical, but the sort of day-to-day existence of many people is flat. Like even if you take the word flat, like the joke fell flat, you know, the whatever, it's a way of, it's a descriptive mechanism to-

Dull and boring and like- Dull, boring. Not good. Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? So it's like the earth, so from that perspective, and also like flat, like if we get to choose the shape of the earth, I guess, and you have a binary, do you want the earth to be a sphere,

you want it to be flat, you're probably gonna pick sphere. I want sphere. I would love to ask. I would like sphere. I would like sphere too, it's something more beautiful about pick sphere. I want sphere. I would love to ask. I would like sphere too. It's something more beautiful about a sphere. It's cool. It's a ball. It's a ball. Ball floating in the void is like really beautiful as opposed to this kind of flat plane. So they're making a cultural commentary, you could say, on the way, like, which is what you're saying, that on the way, like which is what you're saying, that the world is flat,

it's empty of whatever joy it used to have, but the people who are in control are trying to make us all think that it's beautiful this situation that we're in. So from that perspective, Flat Earth becomes a really cool commentary on like modern day despair, right? Yeah, so much despair. Yeah, and so that's it's a sort of despairing kind of way of looking at the world,

because you feel sort of trapped, not just by the planetary shape, but also by the not just by the planetary shape, but also by the veil that's been pulled over reality as is by the people who are in control. And that's a sad world to live in. That's a scary world to live in. You can't trust anything. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you don't trust the fundamental idea of the shape of the planet if you think that the most fundamental thing is not true

Then nothing is true, and you're like incredibly paranoid and that makes Yeah, you could say everything is also, I mean, you know when you like Remember when you first learned stuff that the CIA did yeah seems like wait. They really did that. Yeah, I just learned your day I don't know if this is true or not You know about the Jackson Pollock thing? No This may not be true, but it sounds true So I really Jackson Pollock the painter was not very not very popular early on at all But this is during the cold the Cold War the CIA did a bunch of things to prop up his popularity and make it seem like he was a

Brilliant artist and this was propaganda against the Russians to try to make it seem like Some sort of bullshit like to make his these insane crazy seemingly random no talent paintings are brilliant. It's like some sort of a mindfuck against the Russians to destabilize like art intellectualism or something like that. God, what a lucky son of a bitch. Exactly.

The CIA picks you to signal boost. Yeah. My God. Because he was a wild, crazy drunk guy, you know, it's like a perfect person to have the CIA do it to because they can blame anything on him as being a nutty artist. Incredible. But the fact that if they're doing that, you know, there's so many things that it can make sense while you think they're on this flat because there's so many devious things that we know about the CIA has done. They've admitted like, yes, we did that. Yeah, it was 20 years ago. We did that. What do we,

what do we not know they're doing? And are doing now? I mean, it's what it so it's like the and this is what you're talking about just wanting the analog phone. Yeah, like Like the entire control mechanism, because no matter what, if you're looking at your phone, you're being intentionally manipulated by not just the phone, not just the app, but by a variety of state entities, corporate entities, and small groups of people with some agenda that they're trying to propagandize using the phone.

So no matter what, you can, I don't, there's no way that you're going to look at your phone and not in some way, shape, or form be manipulated by the algorithm and that is an intentional manipulation that has been put in place by whoever's got the most money to pay for what it's serving up. So you are inviting the vampire and every time you look at the phone, you are drinking digital parasites that are growing in your consciousness and producing ideas that are not original that you think are and and you're getting sick. It's a parasitism. So you're getting sick. Now you're nervous. You have anxiety. You're not sleeping well. Your sleep cycle is fucked up because you're nervous and your sleep cycle is fucked up you you slowly sink into

Situation where you feel completely disempowered because the sitting on the bench thing like the the implicit in all Interactions on social media where you're just taking in interactions on social media, where you're just taking in little frames from other people's lives. As you are a non-participant, you're just an observer. And every time you put yourself in that position, you disempower yourself in your own life. You're saying, I don't participate. I watch other people doing things that are fun. And the people you're seeing that are doing things that are fun more than likely are not doing that all the time.

But the natural impression would be, damn, this person is having a great fucking life. But in reality, they're also probably phone junkies just like you are. Oh yeah. Right? So the, so the, in result of the situation is you're getting a distorted view of reality and you're

concretizing your idea. Concretizing? Yeah. What's that word? It means you are crystallizing. You are you're setting, you're setting like the mold, you know, you're, you're, you're essentially affirming that you are a non-participant in life, but or that your participation in life

is the consumption of other people's lives. That's what you're doing. And so, of course, the consciousness that results from that is going to be a kind of depressed, hopeless consciousness. You can't reach into your phone and help people in a video where they're like in trouble. You can't reach into your phone and like hug somebody. You just have, you only observe. So now you're a powerless observer, which, and then you have to ask, who does that serve? Like who does that state of consciousness serve in the world?

And it's obvious who that state of consciousness serves. It's the, any power structure that doesn't want to be meddled with. They want everyone to be sitting on the fucking sidelines. They don't need Kim Trails. Oh no, that's ridiculous. They don't need them. I got it. It's like, that's ridiculous. They don't need them. I got it. It's like that's the joke What is the god? There's some old saying about

Yeah, the idea. I mean isn't like that with the mark of the beast It's not that people were resisted. They'll beg for it. They'll beg for it And that's what that all this stuff is this all the same thing. It's all just the Nothing's new. It's all the same thing. Or the same. Like the phone, this all the stuff, it is the mark of the basis. The thing where you don't have to, you don't have to, people want to engage with it. It's not like a thing.

They're not, they don't try to force anything on anyone. And we, you know, we were talking about this earlier, like the algorithm or the manipulation that's happening from the phones and from video games, any dopamine extractor, it's manipulating the animal part of you. So the mark of the beast actually becomes a really great way of describing phone addiction

because the beast part of you, you know, is being like amplified, fed and taught that this trough of content is all you need to enjoy your life. And it's not, you know, as our Lord Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said, when tempted in the desert, when he was starving and the Satan, the accuser appears and says,

why don't you turn all these rocks into bread and you can eat? And he says, men cannot live by bread alone. And so it's like, so then what's happening is you're getting this like nutrition, a spiritual nutritional deficiency. Yeah, you, you get filled up, but it's not, it's not everything you need. It's like, it's like a false, I mean, it's bread and circuses, right? It's the same thing as bread and circuses. It's just the, and there's so many of these

things are just so obviously the, it's almost too obvious, the whole bread and circuses thing you Look at some of the the programming the stuff that's available to watch. It's just so absurdly like this is a this is something that people watch it's just absolute trash But it's it's just tiddling enough just weird enough just stupid enough to be it's the fucking circus It's the modern circus, it's the modern circus. You know, instead of putting the dogs outside, I'm gonna let them watch dogs outside. Instead of taking the dogs on a walk,

I'm gonna let them watch dogs going on a walk. And if you really think about it, if people started doing that, that would be considered a very inhumane thing to do. Exactly. Yeah, but. But with people, it's like, oh, it's fine. It's fine.

Because they want to do that. Yeah. Like, oh, it's, you know what? Actually it saves a lot of time. It saves a lot of time. You know what? For real though, I hate to say it, but it actually works really well. It's just, I have so much more time now.

Yeah. So much more time. I mean, that's the real, and that's, you know, that's the true like- Saving time. People, you know, people talk about like, if you look at the, any like super popular video game,

if you look at the amount of human attention that per day that gets poured into that video game, it's, and you can put it into years. It's like hundreds of years per day of human attention get poured into that thing. And so the, but the, what's wonderful is that even though this very hypnotic proxy reality that people are beginning to associate with reality is causing all kinds of undiagnosed

maybe even unnamed forms of mental illness, with reality is causing all kinds of undiagnosed, maybe even unnamed forms of mental illness, the antidote is so simple. It's because of all the addictions that I've had, kicking video games or kicking like cell phone addiction or Instagram addiction is the easiest to kick because as soon as you start reading again, as soon as you start taking walks outside, it doesn't have to be anything remarkable. Or you just make the thing that you want to engage with, you just make it physically unavailable. Yeah, but the kick is,

if you just like put a book in front of your fucking face instead of your phone and let your eyeballs start reading, you will notice that the animal part of you being satiated by the phone is being satiated identically by the book. There's no difference. Whatever that part of us that's hungry, it's like, oh, I guess it's a book now. And then it's like, I like this story.

And then what's happening there is you are getting a more stable alternate reality that you're looking at. You look at Instagram or TikTok, you're seeing an alternate reality. Well, we also, when you're reading, you are thinking it does something different to your brain. Like it's definitely, what's the longest you've gone without reading? You know, like... Oh, God, I, a long time, I mean, they're like, oh, I can remember thinking about how when I was a kid, how I just love to read. I would read and read and read.

As an adult, though, do you know how long it's been? No, that's what I'm telling you. At some point. Like a month maybe? Oh, longer than that. Really? I think I probably went like it maybe. I mean, by reading, I mean, like maybe I'd like pick up a book, start it, and I'm going to exclude audiobooks,

even though I do think that's a form of reading. Technically, yeah. But it's not as like, there's something very romantic when, I guess, romantic is the word for there's something very cozy. When you're about to go to bed, turning the lights off, putting on your book light and reading a flop book, not a Kindle and flipping the pages and getting excited with each turn of the page and then falling asleep. That's a very sweet way to fall asleep. So yeah, man, a long time.

Did you notice, like, did you notice? Cause I stopped reading and stopped reading. I just basically was like reading like much lighter weight stuff or just reading like articles or things like that. Cause I couldn't find a book I really liked. I would start a book and I just would like, I don't like this.

Cause I think I read this book called shadow divers and was like so so good You know you have a trouble finding a new book afterwards because you're just so I read the last half of this book in a day and a half Yeah, so it's just like oh my god. This is real. It's so crazy. I took a break. I didn't take a break I just didn't find it about it's about these guys in New Jersey who find a U-boat that no one knows about off the coast and that there's these deep divers It's like the 80s. I think of the early 90s and they're just you know, these guys are fucking the most hardcore people alive they make Antarctic explorers look like they're doing something simple because all the stakes under deep underwater I mean there's parts in the book where you just oh he like he had it he's ready to go and he just made it more difficult for himself because he's a

fucking psychopath like an absolute oh just the hardest people ever to live yeah it's so so I just love adventure stories like that like you're really absolute, just the hardest people ever to live. But it's so, so I just love adventure stories like that. Like you read endurance. Oh, you told me about it. I mean, I gotta read it again. It's like the greatest story of all time. But I hadn't found, you know,

I was struggling to find a book I liked again. And I remember when I started reading again, I'm like, dude, I have, I'm not, it's a, reading is a skill. People will always forget that. You can know how to read. Obviously we know how to read, but actually reading, like paying attention

and being able to generate the ideas and stay focused, that is an actual skill. It's the same as like people ask, oh, how do you memorize lines? It's like, it is so easy. You just have to, it's like anything. It's like, can you jump rope? If you learn to jump rope, you can jump rope.

It's just a skill. And if you don't do it for a while, you're gonna get bad at it. And I feel like, I was so embarrassed because I felt myself being, oh, I'm not as good at reading as I used to be. And it's so fucked up. It's all because of like interfacing too much with

the fast food technology stuff. Yeah it's atrophy for sure but it comes back quick. And then you know the thing that you forget if you are a reader and then you became a phone junkie is how a good book follows you around all day long. Yeah, you think about it, you see it in everything. You live in that world, you're there, and it tints your reality in a really cool, positive way. And then also, your ability to express yourself gets better because whatever part of your brain is taking in the book

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Thank you better help. Your brain's ability to convert the written word into a simulation is incredible. And it's you, you're seeing you. That's your, and you're seeing, you could argue, you're seeing you and everything, but I see Gerard Butler. And everything. I put him in everything I read. I really do have some character.

I can't say I blame you. Do you have anything you put in everything you read? No. You don't have it as like one person, sort of's sort of like an archetype, you feel like you, No. Oh really? I know, it's funny, cause like I think, I think like when I'm reading,

the characters have a kind of blurriness to themselves. I don't see it like a very clear thing. There's a sort of blurry quality to each character. Try it. Oh, yeah. I'm putting it's really kind of fun, actually, to put dry ball there and stuff because he's such a good, he's such like a man's man. There's always one character he works for. And sometimes it's like an anchor point for me.

It's like this guy. I've never met him. It's going to be so fucking embarrassing. Like, hey, man, every time I read a book, I make one of the characters in my mind. It looks like you Yeah, oh great. Okay. Well nice to meet you. I gotta go Yeah, that's cool though. I you know, I just I think that the Wherever there is like massive imbalance It's potential energy.

So wherever like you see a thing happening in society, the next step is okay, draw that into yourself. Where is it in you? And then once you find where that is, there's a path, an obvious path there, which is like, okay, what happens if you do the opposite of this? And then you just start doing the opposite of that.

And then the next thing you know, you start experiencing a completely different reality. Now you like are living in a world that, at least for me, I used to be nostalgic about. Like everyone's like, oh God, I wish I could go back to the 90s or I wish I could go back to the 80s. It's like, you can, right now. Just stop looking at your fucking

build it just do it. Yeah, I really do think it's gonna happen because I fucking love Gen Z, man. I really think they're the coolest. I'm out of touch. I don't like Aaron talks about Gen Z to some degree. They're basically Gen X. They're are they really? Because I know your Gen X for real. I'm like, edge of Gen X. Yeah're real. Are they really? Cause I know you're Gen X for real. I'm like edge of Gen X. Even though technically I'm probably elder millennial. I feel like Gen X just because I didn't have a cell phone until I was 21.

So I felt like I really didn't experience the world like in the millennial sense. So, but I'll be, there's so many Gen Zs. And maybe I don't know if there's, what the younger generation is, but they're getting landlines now. Good for them. Because it's like they are, they really see through a lot of stuff and realize, oh, this is, this isn't good. It doesn't make me feel good. I want to disengage with this thing. A lot of them are doing this stuff where they're just, they're kind of going back to a more, like, I don't know, less technologically reliant. They still are very good at it. They're still

native users, but they just, because of that, they have this ability to where it's not as sparkly as it is to millennials. Well, dude, and also like, I never as a Gen Xer growing up, I never as a Gen Xer growing up, never once was there a time when I was trying to talk to my mom and in the middle of me talking to her, she looked at her fucking phone, never once. And these probably, what is it Gen Z? Probably Gen Z, like the amount of like just like subliminal rejection they get.

Oh my God. You know about dogs, right? The dogs register when you're looking at your phone and they fucking, they make some feel bad. I don't blame them. Isn't that insane? Yeah, no, it makes sense. Oh, it's so like sad.

It's so sad. And it's so, and so my guess is these kids don't wanna be like that. Like they knew what it was like to be around fucking invasion of the body snatchers, their parents staring into the hip, no rectangle, not paying attention to them. And they don't want to fucking be like that. It's like in the same way, like I guess like

the sad modern form of parenting now is like, I don't spank my kids. I don't hit my kids. It's like, wow, that's incredible. But it's like that at one point would be considered revolutionary because everyone's smacking their fucking kids around. And you know, any kid who like experienced that is like, I'll never do that to my children. I'll never. So I'm sure it's some rejection of just being in the in the actual presence of

Phone addiction just anti-human. I have this idea. I just started it last week or just like two days ago Some of you know been flying a bunch. You know how now when you fly like no one talks to each other really? Yes I mean sometimes I do but for the most part they don't people don't really talk cuz you got your earphones That's right. They play in the music in the airplane. Yeah, everyone's got like their phone or look at their phone and stuff Yeah, I decided now what I'm going to do and I have to do this. I'm not like a choice I didn't no matter what Whoever I'm sitting next to on the plane. I'm going to at least try to talk to don't do that

I'm gonna do it. Don't do that to us See, please don't do that. Don't start a fucking show. I don't know each other, right? Oh, no We'll just was just prior ready you I don't know each other. Yeah, we're sitting together. Yeah, I'm sitting next to you We sit down Are you get your headphones on? Yeah. Hey, how's it going? How you doing? Hi, how's it going? Hi you heading home? Are you? Heading out. Okay. Here's what's going through my head. Yeah, mother fuck I'm listening to this fucking great audio book on fucking Buddhism right now, but we're just getting out of the party

I know It's about to 7 a.m. What if it's not? Obviously, you know, I'm a I'm a That's what obviously, you know, I'm a I'm a I'm not a read someone I take the temperature I'm not gonna like tap on someone's shoulder. Excuse me. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. I'm Johnny. Nice. I'm not gonna do that. But it's the kind of thing where you know, you can you can Johnny you want to do that you need to grow tits. Okay, that should grow a beautiful pair of suckable tits. Definitely help a lot. get breast implants and that shit's gonna work.

A nice fucking beautiful wig. Some like, then, then, then you can start intruding on people's fucking time in the plane. Am I intruding? See, I'm intruding. I'm just sort of having like a real basic human moment. Okay, do it in cafes. You can do it in cafes.

Okay, so when people are in cafes on their computer, why don't you be like, hey. It's do it. Okay. So when people are in cafes on their computer, why don't you be like, Hey, it's different though. It's different because the airplane is a thing where you are going into this thing that's highly unnatural. You are. That's a good conversation starter with them. You go, Hey, the thing we're on is really unnatural. Huh? You could we're setting ourselves up for a potential death. It's the kind of thing where it's a it's a it's an intense experience Hey, why don't they make the plane out of the black box? That could be your opening joke

I'm not it's not about joking. It's just literally about you press this they come very simple If you press this interaction like a very just basic interaction I did talk to the guy a sign next to you on the way here. And we talked for a little bit. Turns out his wife grew up in the same neighborhood I did. And that was it. And we didn't talk. He did his stuff. But just like the idea of, I mean, I just like interacting with strangers and I really miss it.

And I feel, I feel personally more lonely and isolated because there's this thing in the world where it's like this weird tacit understanding where, oh, don't bother somebody. It's like, I'm not fucking bothering this person. I'm literally just also being a human who temporarily exists in the same space as them. And if that's bothering, then maybe you should fucking

go in a hole in the ground, you know? All right, okay. That's what I mean. Here, I've been having, not as like, horrific, it's, well, you're, I mean, honestly what you're talking about should get you on a no fly list, but. Oh my God, it'd be so funny.

Like it's me at the, me at the court, being like, your honor, I just asked him if he was flying home or going on vacation. It's like, how dare you? He's like, I didn't know that that was a sensitive topic. Me appealing it. But the, okay. So there's a like, all right. So there, the idea of intention, right?

So, so like, whenever you start meditating, Buddhism, the first thing you do is you offer the merit of the practice for the benefit of all sentient beings. So in other words, I'm not meditating so I could turn into like a sorcerer or whatever. I'm not doing it for me and doing it for everybody. Well, and that's a, and like that, that one's tough to wrap. That took me a long time to wrap my head around, but it's basically the idea is like, if I can like discipline myself enough to sit twice a day and calm my thoughts and experience what happens to me

when I'm doing that regularly, then anyone can, right? So, but I can't really tell anybody this works if it doesn't work for me. So it's true. So that sort of shifts your intent going into the situation in a really beautiful way. So, and then you can carry that intention

around with you wherever you go. And the intention is essentially how can I help? That's the intent. So when you go out in the world, instead of thinking what can I get, you think how can I help? That's the intent. So when you go out in the world, instead of thinking what can I get, you think how can I help? That's it. Very simple, very basic.

Not I'm going to help, not I'm going to go out into the world and rescue people or be some messianic fucking figure, which can become an egoic trap. I'm available. But I'm available, I'm listening, I'm open. So you go into the world with that intent I'm listening. I'm open. So you go into the world with that intent. And then

things do start happening somehow just from the intent. Someone will, you know, I was like at the gym and like, you know, start someone like started talking to me. And normally because I am a selfish fuck,, which you know, a lot of selfish fucks like me, we like to say I'm a recluse. No, you're not. You're selfish. You are selfish and self-absorbed. You're not a fucking recluse. You just want to fixate on yourself and you want the phenomena around you to be non-intrusive. Also some people, it's scary to interact with people. And it's scary to interact. I'm sorry. not all of you are selfish. I should only speak for myself. But so just that, so and I, you know, I went to the gym

and as I'm going in, I remember that idea and I'm like, okay, I'll just think that here. I'm open for that. Right. I had a gym, like what the fuck? That's a crazy idea to gym anyway. So anyway, this guy just starts talking to me. And somewhere real quick, he is telling me

about someone he loves who went through cancer and then like the pain. Do you think you have cancer? What? Is your head shaved? What? No, we cleared that out pretty quick. I think this is before I shave my head,

but I know people, that's why I don't want to wear a beanie because I think people are going to think. But my point is somehow, just from thinking that this guy opens up to me in a real deep way about something that he's clearly struggling, which anyone who's been around someone going through cancer feels guilt, feels like I could have been a better servant to them, I could have helped more.

And then I was able to relate my experience with it with my mom. Right, and yourself. And the thing you were talking about, that you're thirsty for, that we all are, happened and it was magical and beautiful but I didn't control it any, you know, I didn't like control it other than thinking

I'm open to helping and that to me, go on the plane with that. I guess that's what I'm saying is, well for me it's the last times if I just make it like a rule, like not like a, you know, like if I just have to at least try to be, oh, I get to read someone's body language and everything, obviously some people really do not want to talk.

Like Daniel Tosh did not want to talk to me when I was on the plane years ago, but I just was asking about his dog though. But he's like, every answer is like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, see that's, but he's like, every answer is like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, see, that's, and he was right. Right. He was right to do that.

Why though? What I'm asking about is fucking dog. You know what it's like, I love dogs. Who is fucking Daniel Tosh? If you, I'm sorry, if you bring a fucking dog, you just, if you bring a dog in a public place on a plane and people wanna talk to you about your dog,

fine. Tough titties, bitch. Yeah, but you're not, but. You gotta talk about that fucking dog. But you're not. You're a cute little animal. No. You gotta talk to you about your dog? Fine. Tough titties, bitch. Yeah, but you're not, but. You gotta talk about that fucking dog. You're a cute little animal. You gotta talk to me about your dog. Oh, Daniel, fucking Daniel Tosh. Well, Daniel, this is a different thing.

Do you understand that every day, wherever Daniel Tosh fucking goes with his dog, whether it's on a plane, do a fucking cafe, people who had different intent than you did, use the dog as an inroad and then we'll maybe say something on the lines of like, you know, exactly. So you're looking at a trauma reaction there. Right. Look, I think it's, I think what you're talking about is an identification of something that Rushkoff

talks about too, which is like the way he puts it is, because he's really into what you're talking about. He's really into we need to connect with our neighbors. We've lost a connection. The example he gave is like, he needed to drill something into his wall to hang something. And so I think this is an example. And so he thinks to himself,

okay, like I can go to Best Buy right now and I could buy a drill. And I can use that to drill something into the hole in the wall and hang this picture. I will not use that drill again for a long time. It's gonna sit on a fucking shelf. I just bought something I basically don't need or I can go to my neighbor's house

and say, can I borrow your drill? And this is where we get into like what you're talking about which is like most people are like, I'm not gonna fucking bother my neighbor. I don't want to disturb them. Anyway, the whole point is just by that act of asking for help from a neighbor, this relationship solidifies with him and his neighbor

and all kinds of other cool stuff, results from that. It's not just that singular interaction, that interaction leads to a better life for Rushkoff. Just raising the frequencies. His neighbor gets to help. And Just raising the frequencies. Just his neighbor gets to help. Yeah. And that's the other thing. We all want to help.

Everybody does. Everybody wants to help. And everybody wants to be happy. Everybody wants to be a hero. Everyone wants to do good in the world. Everyone really wants that underneath all the bullshit. And asking for help gives someone a chance to help. And God, what feels better than helping somebody? Nothing. Nothing. and asking for help gives someone a chance to help.

God, what feels better than helping somebody? Nothing. Nothing. So by asking for help, you are giving somebody something. And there's a difference between parasitic asking for help and like legitimately like I could use a hand here. And the moment you do that, you're opening the circuit and reviving something that someone might not have like experienced in a while because of the the way we're all closing

in. Yeah. Yeah. So I I just but please Johnny, just on the plane, you could smile. You're like, I promise you if you go in it with just that intention, something will happen. Yeah, I'm gonna have to. I do it. I mean, I do do the intention, I guess. Yeah, because it's like that thing where it just makes me feel, I think also I end up feeling kind of more tired and more, you, you, because traveling sucks, it's difficult and it's uncomfortable. You feel more of that uncomfortableness when you are not, like if I'm talking with someone, I'm not thinking about anything else.

I'm not thinking about like how these seeds are now vinyl, they used to be cloth and how my ass can't fucking breathe. Now I'm sweating and I'm giving myself a fucking like anal fissure because my asshole is now like, has been subjected, it's like putting a piece of fucking plastic against your ass for five hours, which cause, ugh. I'm not thinking about that

cause I'm like at least talking with someone. Well, they say conversations to lubricant of time. That's cool. So if you want to fuck time, start a conversation. Just talk with someone. Don't like, yeah, don't just fucking like dry jerk your conversation. But dude, you can't, you really can't do that on a plane. Like, what just just it's a it's a it's a sin to do that to us. Like, truly, man, we just, you don't like when I I get on- I'll get you, but I'll get you. See, I got skills, I got skills,

I got ways to insert myself. I'll find a way to talk to you, I'll read your body language, I'll figure something out. Like, oh, I'll just, I'll say something wrong on purpose, so you have to correct me. Your headphones are on the wrong way. Tap them on the shoulder and be like,

hey, your headphones are on wrong. I'm gonna start tapping people on the shoulder. That's my new thing, is tapping people on the shoulder and be like, Hey, your headphones are on wrong. I'm going to start tapping people on the shoulder. That's my new thing is tapping people on the shoulder. Okay. Let me give you an example of this. Okay. I'm in the like, I'm sitting in the steam room in my gym. The steam room. Everybody is a sacred temple of healing. Shut the fuck up. We are in there taking in our steam. It's not a talk spot. Nobody wants to hear you talk about your fucking real estate. Oh my God, it's always real estate.

Always. My first, first time when I was in a steam room when I was a kid, I remember a guy talking about fucking real estate. He was like, I don't know what you think about Gus Schafolius, but I think he's a pretty good guy. Dude, 100% it's either, it's always real estate related. And related and it's a it's a it's a matrix glitch or something. It's like the code is fucked right now. But so I'm sitting there and this there's a guy who is like he's got his head down.

His eyes are closed, he's resting. He's pissing into his mouth. Enjoying, no, that's not, that happens on the weekends. That's sauna. This was during the week. So we piss on each other's mouths on the weekend. It's a whole different thing and it's,

I get it, I get it. That's fine. So he's like, whatever he's doing, I don't know what he's fucking doing. I wasn't even paying attention. So all of a sudden I hear this, this, this kid comes in. I don't know if he's the kid. He's like in his twenties.

He comes and sits down next to this fucking dude. Eyes closed. Head down. The kid starts saying to the guy, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey. So I'm like, Oh fuck, did that guy die? Like maybe the guy is sick and the kids recognizing to the guy, hey, hey, hey, hey. So I'm like, oh, fuck, did that guy die? Like maybe the guy is sick and the kid's recognizing like the guy, something happened, I didn't notice. So the guy, just because I think he's so shocked

that someone would be doing that, like finally opens his eyes and the kid says, you remind me of the lead singer of name some band. I don't know what the band is. And the guy goes, I was really impressed. The guy is just like, thanks, that's that's a compliment. I mean, I don't know who that is, but that's probably a compliment. And the kid goes, Oh, yeah, that was my favorite band when I was in high stopped. And so boom, like he's using a Pemberton tactic. It's like, no, no, that, no, that don't do that.

And then this fucking demon goes, he was demon now. Okay. No, it's a demon or he's possessed. I would say he's possessed by a demon. Like if you do a thing like that, it's demonic possession. The kid then, after like the guy like, you know, some of he like, retracts his parasitic claws from this poor fucking dude. Then he goes, and he pours water onto the steam room thing to activate the steam again. Right. It's already hot as fucking there.

And so then it fills up with fucking steam. Fine. I don't fucking there. And so then it fills up with fucking steam. Fine, I don't care, I like it, but fills up with fucking steam, you hear people and they're going, ugh, because it's so fucking hot, your skin's burning. And then you know what the demon does? Leaves, he doesn't sit for the new steamers.

So he fucking, he disturbs a man, knocks him out of his philosophical contemplative moment, heats as a demon would do, heats the fucking steam room to maximum fucking steam, and does not sit to endure the steam, just walks out immediately after blasting us with steam. Amazing. That's a vector right there.

That's a classic vector. That is a fucking the vector of the devil. Ooh, I kinda like it though. So we, you know, but I'll tell you man, I really love what I do love where your mind is going with the analog world versus the digital world and the reconnecting with people and all that stuff. I'm not trying to knock it.

I just know like when I'm on a fucking plane, dude, I just want to sit and look at my porn. Yeah, I just do a little bit of horseplay. And so I want to do is horseplay. They're gonna have to start making announcements because of you. The pilot, please go ahead. There is no horseplay allowed.

Nobody, please don't pemberton on this flight. You can have the intent to want to help, but more than likely most people are just kind of interested in sleeping or reading their book. People are tired, they're not interested in doing any type of cross-platform gaming. They're not interested. Please do not ask people to cross-platform game.

Please do not offer people alcohol you brought on board There's no horseplay allowed in the bathrooms the slamming repeated slamming and unlocking of the door is not allowed psychic parasitism Veiled as altruism will put you on a no-fly list jabberjawing Jabberjawing no jet now that's no jabberjawing Jabberjawing, no jabberjawing. Now that's right, no jabberjawing. No jabberjawing. Oh my plane, we're gonna get from boy A to boy B.

Don't you jabberjaw if somebody's sitting next to you that don't mean they're your friend. They just- You get three trips to the bathroom after that. No, I'm sorry. They should do that. Johnny, thank you so much for doing the show. Thanks for being here.

Love chatting with you, man. You're the best. And thanks for killing it on the road. You're doing so great, man. Oh, fuck yeah, no. Go just do a horse play. It's just a horse play. You're doing so great, man. Oh fuck. Yeah. No, I'll go just do this It's a horseplay. It's just horseplay. Where are you going now? You got any nothing? And you have no you don't have when you're gonna do your show again

I don't know. I'm trying to sound like it was a big success. It's really good. It's success I think I'm trying to figure out tell me the name of it again. Minnesota reggae colostomy bag So good. I saw the first I saw the the beta. You did, you saw it. And I loved it. I think about it. Changed a lot. It was so good. Just the beta was so good.

Beta was good. You know what I think about? Can I give a tiny piece of it away? OK. I think about something, an observation you made all the time, which is you never have to shit your pants. You can always pull your pants down. And take a shit that is so true and so brilliant And I think of like as a kid the times I pissed my pants right how I could have pulled my pants down and just pissed into the carpet or

Wherever I was but no you you that is so funny. That would yeah your delivery of it was so funny It's still part of the show big part of the show. I'm trying to do it and I want to do it in New York. Maybe in this summer But I also might do Michael at a fringe in Edinburgh if I can make it work I don't know. I think I've always wanted to do it and I think I can perfect for there Yeah, I think it'd be good. Otherwise. I'm just planning on Doing it some more and eventually I my goal is to film it before the end of the year, if possible. It's so cool, man, because remember the one person show phenomenon where everyone's doing one person shows?

Like when was this? It was a while ago. Like how long ago? Like this is like before Largo switched to its new place. Oh wow. So I guess I don't really remember that. I do. It was like there was a whole array of one person shows.

And a lot of them were really good. Comedians would do a one person show. It was a way for the comedian to experiment without having to do punchlines every second, get to perform, but also be funny. And some of them were really fucking good. Some of them sucked horribly and were intelligent and rotten. But were really fucking good. Some of them sucked horribly and were intelligent and rotten,

but yours is so good. And it's cool, man, because it's like, I think it's just like inspiring the way that you're not afraid to go outside. I mean, I dread doing it kind of, because it's so much work. It is. It's so much different than anything else That part of me is like, oh, this is just but I just at one point I realized

Maybe this is not what I want to do, but I think it's just what I have to do like it's not like I don't have a choice I just have to do it because I want to do like stupid goofy shit. I can still do that all the time But it's like the challenge of it. I just realized I have to do that. I just have to do it. It's like I only have a choice and so it's just like, I don't know, I have to do it. And there's no choice, I just have to do it,

even though it's uncomfortable and it sucks and it's like, it's gonna be difficult and everything. You're gonna film it for us or you're only gonna make it a live show? No, I gotta film it. Cause I gotta, I have to film it so I can stop doing it. Right. Like I need to like put it into it.

Yeah. I have to make it where it's the best it can be. And I have to think I have to work with someone who can look at it objectively and help me basically just make the narrative a little smoother so it's better for something that's being recorded. You know, it has to be not just because you do something for a theater, it's one thing, but when you do something with the intention of recording it, it has

to be, it has to, you have to change the way you deliver it a bit. So I have to fix that. And once I do that, I can film it. And I'm just gonna do it myself because I could chop it around, but there's no point to do that now. This idea of pitching something is so antiquated, especially if you have any following whatsoever, or any means whatsoever, you just do it yourself and you spend a little bit of money and then you can put it out there.

And what happens, ideally, is that people see it and they flock to it and like, can put it out there. What happens ideally is that people see it and they flock to it and like, wow, you did this? It's like, who helped you with that? How'd you do it? It's like, well, you know, I took me a long time, but I did it. Yeah. And so there's that phenomenon when you show people that you can do something, then they're like, oh, we want to get you to do that again, because you've shown that you can do it. So I mean, because obviously it's not the only story I have But it's a big one and so I think the idea is then if you put the thing out there Then you get to tell more stories later that you have more help with you got to put it out there

Yeah, I just have I mean I don't like There's things like I don't you know certain you see, you don't think about ever again, but that was so good. Just randomly, I'll just think about it. Parts of it was so good and it like was so cathartic. Yeah, it was right cathartic. Dude, it's like that, you get that thing, you only get from really good shows.

At the end, you walk out feeling so good and happy. That's good. I just have to keep, you know, it's like you have to be persistent about it. That's the hardest thing. It's the hardest thing. And the bravery, dude, it's like to fillate. It's not that brave. To fillate a dog on stage in front of a group of people.

Well, you know what? It wasn't the dog. That's a special dog. So what do you mean? It's a dog that like not, it's a dog that needs's a special dog. So. What do you mean? It's a dog that like not, it's a dog that needs to have it done, otherwise it will explode. Rescue?

Well, yeah, I'm rescue. Every time I do it, I'm rescuing it. All right. Yeah, I remember that from the show. That song. Yep. You're the best, Johnny. Thank you so much.

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