Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 631: Jamar Neighbors

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

Jamar Neighbors, one of Duncan's favorite comics, joins the DTFH! You can learn more about Jamar on his site, JamarNeighbors.com. You can also follow him on Instagram and YouTube! Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg and Duncan Trussell. This episode is brought to you by: Zbiotics - Visit Zbiotics.com/Duncan and use code DUNCAN at checkout to save 15% on your first order! This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/duncan and get on your way to being your best self. Harry's - Visit Harrys.com/Duncan and get a five-blade razor, foaming shave gel, and a travel blade cover for only $3!

Hello, my friends, and welcome to the DTFH. YouTube is back in business. We had a little supply chain issue because of something that happened in the Bering Sea with an undersea cable. The DTFH episodes got stuck because just like a water hose, when these undersea cables bend,

the data can't flow and it bulges out. So it's so weird in the Bering Sea, there's been an explosion of podcasts that people are trying to put up on YouTube that are just floating around down there, getting stuck in dolphins' blowholes and stuff. It's really weird when a dolphin goes by, because if you listen closely you can hear people talking about all the important things we talk about in podcasts. But it's driving the dolphins mad, which is very sad to me. There's nothing worse than watching

an insane dolphin intentionally jump on the beach and yell, please fucking stop talking so much, humans. Please, why? Why don't you swim in the sea? Why, why are you out there on the land? It sucks. I'm gonna be performing at some places coming up. You can find me at SideSplitters Comedy Club. That's this weekend in Tampa. All the shows are sold out.

But we added a show Thursday, so if you couldn't get tickets, you can go to the Thursday show. And I'm real excited about this. I'm gonna be at Helium Comedy Club in Alpharet, Georgia. I think that means Atlanta, or maybe it's the outskirts of Atlanta. I'm really excited about this. It's a new Helium, and I love Helium Club, so if you're out there, come see me. That's October 3rd, 4th, and 5th. And then I'm gonna be at the Wilbur November 1st. That's in Boston. All right, everybody.

You already know who today's guest is. He's one of my favorite comics. I love watching him perform. I love hanging out with him. He's deeply philosophical, incredibly funny. And the last time we were hanging out, he started teaching me about clowns. Now, you might have some preconceived notions about what a clown is, but unless you are one, I bet you don't know. So everybody, please welcome to the DTF age Jamar neighbors Jamar. Thank you for doing the show man. Thanks dunks really appreciate it, dude I love it when you show up in the green room Dude the things that you talk about and like it you know it just you know

It sticks in my head, man. Yeah. And I've heard this, by the way, a lot. Yeah. Something, and I, because I haven't been in LA for a long time, but I keep hearing this, that clowns are on the scene. Yeah, and I think I interjected and I go,

man, I'm like, you guys don't like clowns? I studied that shit for like eight years. I saw that, yeah. And well, they didn't know, see, and I didn't know until like my friend Pemberton started. Johnny. Johnny Pemberton started telling me about like clown school. He's great at that stuff. Yes, he is.

Yeah. And I've seen your standup and like, it's so so fucking cool and That conversation we had helped me understand a little bit of where some of what you do comes from But I would my point is a lot of people don't know that Learning how to be a clown is not what you think it is like philosophical Yep, it's disciplined and it's like it, it's, it, it, I've heard many people say that it, it can kind of fuck with your head a little bit too.

Yeah, it's a, it is a, it is spirit, like, like sometimes it's kind of spiritual, like, okay, okay, let me ask you this, and, and I'm only going to speak about this to the best of my ability. Okay. I'm like, I don't know, but like,. But okay, what is your idea of a clown? Okay, before talking to you, before Johnny told me, John Wayne Gacy, first clown that always pops into my head. You know, he fucked up.

He was funny. You can't argue with that. My general understanding of clowns was twofold. One, uninformed in the sense like you think of John Wayne Gase, you think of whatever the clown's name was from It. Or kids party clowns scaring people. Or if you like hang out in like like weird places long enough you will meet someone who is a clown and that had informed it a little bit because having

met a couple of real clowns all I knew is they're fucking weird in a way that I've never seen and I don't mean they're wearing the outfit at the time I'm saying these this is like like you know out of the costume and it's like, whoa, it's like a weird vibe. Yeah, because I bet after studying the art for so long, they see everything through the lens of a clown and everything. So when they look at you, they are seeing Duncan the man, but they're also seeing some other shit that makes you intriguing

Intriguing to talk to yeah, whatever. She's like, oh man, like I bet they're going oh man What if this guy came out of the woods and and and then all of a sudden he was he was really dirty and then and then He started just spouting out wisdom and then this and this and that and all of a sudden he rolled off on it on a unicycle You know I said like you don't know that that know that that's what the fuck he's thinking about. Or like, you know what I'm saying? Like, they see everything if they like this. I don't know, I can't speak on every clown or whatever, but I'm like, they probably see.

I know that when I look at people, like I see, I like, sometimes I laugh at them because I'm looking at them in a certain way. So I'm always like, so I'm always like, because I'm always like, what if he did this? What if he did that? My brain, my brain 24 hours, I was like, what if he did this? And what if he did that? Did that happen before you started training as a clown? Or is that just part of the way you're looking at the world? It was like, like, I was always thinking like that. But then I didn't know, I didn't know exactly

what I was doing. Right. You know, so I was doing right you know so I was like you know cuz I was Like I must be a comedian which I am you know I'm like oh But then I know like it was deeper than like it may have been like deeper than that like dude Maybe like maybe you see the funny and everybody like maybe you can see how somebody how somebody can do So I can fuck this whole shit up or whatever with their whole With their whole what I think that they are. Yeah. Yeah. Or, yeah, I don't know.

Well, wait, so we skipped a piece here that you told me, which I thought was cool, which is everyone has a clown. So when I first, okay, so when I first went to my first clown class ever, I guess that's why I asked you, like hey, what is your idea of a clown? Yeah. So when I first went to clown class ever. I guess that's why I asked you like, hey, what is your idea of a clown? Yeah. So when I first went to clown class, I had on these red Doc Martens that kind of look like clown shoes, right? Yeah. And then as soon as I

walked in, the teacher was like, take those off. And I was like, why? They were like, I just don't like them. Take them off. And I was like, all right. Because to them, that's not what clown is. Clown isn't the big red shoes. Clown is like, it's you. Like it's the, you know, you see what I was trying to do? Like I walked in with like, oh my,

yeah, I did. I was like, yeah, da da da, in juggles and in red shoes, right? Yeah. And they're like, no no the clown is inside of you Like what makes what what and what deep down inside of you like makes you funny? Yeah, like like well like and one of the things that he told me is like the mistakes or the things that people make fun Of you for oh

Whatever like that's like you're like that's like your inner clown like you enhance that Like that's like your like that's like your inner clown like you enhance that You enhance you enhance the mistakes that you you enhance like all of your mistakes all the things that make you imperfect Yeah, that's the like like that's a clown. Well see this okay, so to me. This is where it gets like kind of like philosophically unnerving because There there is this aspect of being a human mm-hmm that is absurd that's ridiculous that when you find yourself Really pissed you know someone's really like I can't fucking believe that person did that to me You get real serious, and you start looking if you're if you do any kind of mindfulness you start looking at

how absolutely embarrassing what you're doing is especially In the unit you're in a universe You're in like an infinite universe and here you are like but her and like seeking revenge in a kingdom of Monkey descendants, you know what I mean? And something in that, though I'd like to feel enlightened about that, it can feel extremely frustrating or something. You know, and to me it feels like, and maybe I'm misunderstanding, but clowning feels like

it's drawing that out and emphasizing that aspect of humanity. So what I thought was so interesting about Clown is that they said the mistakes are good. The wrong answers are right in here, in Clown. Wrong answers are right. Doing everything wrong is correct. I mean like what yeah it's like the whole talk like

You know like like we would do an exercise where we would come out We did an exercise where we come out and they say hey make this whole audience uncomfortable Right make this whole like make everyone in the class uncomfortable So so you hey, we're gonna split off in pairs So my friend my friend, I won't say his name He and him and his partner is a girl and he tried to do like a like a like a rape scene Oh shit, you know saying but but but so here's what happened. They were doing it We knew what they were doing, right?

But it wasn't making us uncomfortable because it wasn't real. Right. And so the teacher was like, I mean, we saw what you were doing, but had you had really done it, you would've made this whole audience uncomfortable. And I was like, yeah, but isn't that also a crime? Yeah.

He was like, but in clown. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm clown, you know That's where clown school gets on dateline I know I know I know but then I know and I know there's probably just let me like some clown teachers like what school Did you go to but I'm like, I don't know. That's what I learned from that shit. Like, you know, had you had really done? I don't know but to Yeah, okay. Well, but this is another philosophical side to it. It's weirdly

like rebellion. It's revolutionary. And in this like, okay, just do everything wrong, you realize how many rules there are in any given moment in any situation and how those rules, we've all memorized naturally, we just habitually follow the rules. Yeah. And so, it kind of illuminates an invisible jail cell most people are sitting in, and maybe that's another reason we don't like clowns or clowns freak people out, is because it's kind of showing like this like outside the bars place. Yeah, you know, it's so funny as I was thinking about like how clowns are like shown like

in the world and they're always kind of they're always kind of evil and sinister like you got it like you said you got it you got um like you got whatever like a gasey like all like all these yeah and I'm like my damn is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like all these. And I'm like, damn, is that what a clown is to people? I'm like, what about the people who are just like, the funny ones? Like, what about the, because they're supposed to bring happiness.

That's why you bring them to a kid's birthday party and all this stuff. But then I think that, yeah, I think that how they were been depicted in mainstream society, like, people, that's why people hate them and all that stuff because people think that they they were been depicted in mainstream society, that's why people hate them and all that stuff because people think that they're going to do something treacherous and all this stuff. But it's really an art to that shit.

And it's more than just, I don't know, like putting on the suit and being a stereotypical one. Like, okay, for instance, this girl, this girl, when we were doing the wave, remember the wave? Yeah. Me, Jeremiah, Willie, like we were doing the wave and stuff, and this girl who had studied clown, she walked up to us and she was like, you guys are clowns. And I was like, why? How?

She was like, because you guys are like, you guys are like ruining the show, but also making it better at the same time. And we were like, what? You know, my dude wave buddy was like, what? What are you doing? But I was over here like, interesting. And I go, well, tell me more. And then that's when I started to like, do some more study with her.

And I go, oh, like she, like, like, like, like we like, we're playing with the audience a little bit. Like, yeah, like we're like playing with the audience. We're disrupting, like we're playing with the audience a little bit like yeah, like we're like playing with the audience We're disrupting like we're disruptors. We're disruptors of the show But like a great way and you know like clowns play with the audience Improvisers take suggestions from the audience and play with each other right, you know, and so we were You ever heard a culture jamming no, it's it has its roots in what it must have its roots in what you're talking about it's like this uh

It's a you know, okay, Santa con, you know, Santa con where all the Santas know gather together There's there's this thing called Santa con and it's like all these Santas People just dress up like Santa Claus and they all get together in city So all of a sudden city is just filled with Santa Claus's that's how crazy and they fight and they get Santa Claus and they all get together in cities. So all of a sudden a city is just filled with Santa Claus. That's so crazy. And they fight and they get hammered and they like cause chaos. Cause you know you think of Santa as like this sweet thing.

But you can find, maybe you could pull it up. Like look up video of Santa's fighting SantaCon. Like cause they get fucking hammered. They go to these things dressed up like Santa Claus and they get in fights and stuff Let's see if we can find this Santa con I don't know video fight. Yes. Yeah, check this check this shit out man. They go crazy Like that's Santa Claus Santa con I don't know if that you can find them fighting

Yeah, there you go. They fight they get hammered and You know, if you don't know what's happening, You're just going to work and you look funny as shit. Yeah, it's hilarious What yeah, Santa con look at this shit? They just wreak havoc dude and no one knows how to Kids imagine you're driving your kid to school. He's like what what the fuck happened to Santa Claus? This is in London? It's everywhere, they do them everywhere. But this has its roots in this group called the Cacophony Society, which their motto is, you might already be a member,

but basically the Cacophony, I think that was their motto, it doesn't matter if you can make up your own fucking motto for him, but Go ahead. You know, you know like So all these people are wearing like the sanic laus uh outfit right in it But they're but they're but they're like being themselves. They're kind of like pissing. They're kind of like fighting that that that is clown shit Yeah, that that's clown shit because all they're doing is just being themselves being who they were if they were sanic laus. Yeah. Well, yeah that right Right, I see what you're saying. Yes, right So so so like like imagine that guy imagine if they casted him in in the Santa Claus movie

Yeah, whatever and all this stuff. Whatever. Like those are just they're just clowns. Yeah, I'm saying like they're just That goes back to like the red nose thing. I was talking about Yeah, I'm saying like they're just it that goes back to like the red nose thing. I was talking about Where you know, we always talk about like the red nose So it's like, okay, this is Duncan the man or whatever, but then I give you a clown nose now You're Duncan the clown. Yeah, right. So now you're like this enhanced version of Duncan right, right So let's say I take that nose off and I give you a Santa Claus outfit or whatever now you're dunking the Santa Claus or whatever Right, but you're still being yourself. You're still right showing up doing there doing whatever the fuck you do

Yeah, whatever and I think that that that's clown that makes it funny. Yeah Trying to pretend to be saying it's boring as shit. Who cares? Yeah, like you're like you with Santa Claus is the funniest shit ever. Yeah, it's like you ever watch Martin? Yeah, sure. Or whatever, or any Jim Carrey movie and stuff like that. This lady was like, dude, those are clowns. I was like, those are clowns? That's a clown.

Jim Carrey's not a clown, but that's a clown. Got it. You know he's a disruptor of You know I'm saying like the norm right right with that so so this You know after our conversation man. I was like look. You know looking up clowns thinking about it, and I remember my friend Raven who like studied anthropologically, like studied the trickster or the clown that shows up. And the clown shows up in mythology, the clown shows up and inevitably

is just what you were saying earlier, which is like, it's a being, it's kind of like a chaos being. But the chaos accidentally makes things better. And what really popped in my mouth was really straight, Rudolph, classic clown, the red-nosed reindeer. Everyone's fucking making fun of that weird reindeer, but he ends up being the one that lights the way.

And so, and you know, man, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I think this is where a lot of comics get caught because a comic, if we fit into whatever this archetype is, just by their nature of being sort of outside of everything with no real intent other than like wanting to make people laugh and being themselves, inevitably accidentally says the thing that needed to be said

that soaks into the zeitgeist and causes real change. And so it fits the archetype, but some comics, they forget that the clown isn't trying to make things better. The clown's just being themselves, and that generally leaves the chaos. But because they start recognizing the pattern, holy shit, some of this chaos makes shit better,

then they stop being a clown and they turn into a politician. Yep, yep, yep. It's one of the traps. Fuck, who was I? I was talking to my girlfriend because after we had our conversation, I said, man, Duncan was asking me about clowns,

and this and this and that, and I go, and I was like, and then she was like, and I was trying to explain to her like what a clown is or whatever, because you know how you like study something, but you don't necessarily try to articulate it to anybody, you just, it's just inside of you kind of sort of, it's that, so I was like, well just, it's just inside of you kind of sort of. It's that.

So I was like, well damn, what is a clown? So I was telling her, I said, man, I said I feel a clown is this, and I came up with this analogy. I said, all right, and I said there's a clown, and then there's an intellectual, right? And you know, the politician, man. You know that?

Remember I said to the clown, there's an intellectual. So an intellectual will tell the clown, hey man, tie your shoes. And then the clown will go, oh, oh, okay. And then he'll take off his shoes and then he'll tie them together. And then the intellectual will go, not like that, like this. And then he's like, oh, okay, now take them off. I mean, he said, now untie them and then tie them again So then the clown untie them and then he'll tie them again

But now he'll throw them on a on a wire or something like that. He's like, what are you doing? No, go climb up that wire and go and and untie those shoes and then put them on like this And so the clown would be like, okay Well now I guess I have to climb the telephone pole to get to the wire. Now he's climbing the telephone pole to get to the wire and stuff like that and he accidentally electrocutes himself.

And he falls down and everybody's laughing at the clown. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. And I said, well, I said, who got the laughs? Right. You know what I'm saying? The intellectual was just a guy like, not like that. That's the politician, you know what I'm saying? The clown was the guy who did the actual job.

Right. You know, so. Yeah, and it sucks, right? Because that seems like the other thing. Like, the politician, I get why you'd wanna be a politician. Power. Yeah.

The politician gets control and power the clown Like has it seems like temporary Control, but the control Inevitably spins out of control. Yeah, and and and and the clown will try to get control back And always lose keep losing control And so of course that's going to be dizzying as a Way to be so it would make sense that the dream of the clown Would be to be a politician. Yeah, which would make him that much more pathetic

Yeah, because you're never gonna be able to like if we do make you and this is another thing I heard about clowns Yeah, I don't know if it's true I don't know But there was a thing where they would take the jester, which was the medieval clown, and they would make them king for the day. And so it's really funny because you take this idiot, you put him on the throne, give him the crown, and for a day he does get to be in control in anything just like the king. He even gets to talk shit to the king. But the funniest part was not the clown on the throne the funniest part

They would say is like by halfway through the day the clown starts really thinking he's powerful He starts getting puffed up and then the funniest part is like at the end of the day It's like you're just a fucking clown You dumb fuck you're never a king yeah, but that was the that's where it got funny Yeah, yeah puffed up thing, but it's like dude. You're a clown. Yeah, no one's ever gonna take you seriously Yep, and it's weird because it's like I want to thank Zbiotics for supporting the DTFH and for sending me their incredible Zbiotics pre-alcohol probiotic. My god, this is incredible. All you have to do is drink it

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It's like you are you're here to make people laugh or whatever like and all that stuff Yeah, so it's like but as serious as we like start to take ourselves and stuff like I think that's I think like you saying like That's like when we get in the trouble and shit. Because who's to say like the man, the man who is the clown, like he's still an intellectual person. Like I mean, I'm not the smartest person in the world. But I- Pretty fucking smart.

Yeah, but I would still like to think, I'm like, no, I'm a very intelligent person or whatever. I just do this. So you still, but as a man, as a man you still want to be like no But I I still want people to know I'm very intelligent person and stuff So so I think we battle with that as as clowns or comedians and this and this and that yeah I do sometimes where I'll meet you. Yeah, that's another like because it's like no matter what man Just whatever it is innocent and as the God is in this insane job, we have that thing is like, yeah, we do have the power

drive and we do have the desire. I mean, my God, if you, if I listen to my ego and what it would really like, we're talking like Lord Sauron level power. Same, same, same. So hilarious. Like, and I think that's super funny as long as you just recognize, it's like no matter what, no matter what, you're, you, I know when I meet the, what, serious man. Yeah. And I know that I will never be that when I meet the serious man

You know and they meet me I think we both feel sorry for each other. Yeah, serious man thinks like dude. He's like disabled I think man. Oh god that must suck You like didn't have that look on your face all day long of like profound like serious Serious thoughtfulness Jesus Christ and they look at me like dude What a burnout and like we but but for some reason the we want to be you know, and you see it dude and especially in like the the like most famous

especially in like the most famous comedians who end up like getting power, and then in very gradually and slowly, they don't even realize it's happening. But now they're doing like PSAs and shit. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I get it, it's like sweet. You know, you wanna help the world. I get it, but you don't understand.

Like somehow when it's coming out of your mouth versus coming out of a serious man's mouth. It sounds so dumb. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep You can I mean that they mean the smartest comedians on our own earth When when they say shit like when they say shit that is so profound and so dope or whatever I'm just like man remember that time you had did? Like, I'm gonna always be able to do that. Remember that time you said this on that last special? Yeah. Anyway, cool message.

You know what I'm saying? I will stop doing drugs. You know what? I guess I will start masking more. You know what I mean? You're just thinking. But look, I'm not trying to, I think that wanting to help the world is a glorious thing and a good thing,

but just for some reason, it's like, at least for me, because I do, both of us, I think, have something in common. We love talking about philosophical shit and thinking about weird shit and letting our minds go to weird places I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't think there's anything wrong about Broadcasting our transient warped Epiphanies to the world there ultimately are probably not based on real rational thought or logic

It's just any time I start taking myself seriously, that's when things get real fucked up for me. Yeah, you know they say in clown, they had us do this one exercise where they gave us a piece of paper and a pen, and they go, okay, you guys got five minutes, and they go, write, you guys got five minutes. And they go, they go write down everything that you miss, I mean, that you miss when you were a child.

You know what I'm saying? Like how like, and I was like, oh, I miss when I was daring. I miss when I was bold. I miss when I would say anything and didn't think, you know, second-guess anything. And I would, I miss doing front flips in the backyard and in front of everybody and showing off and this and this and that. And then at the end, and at the end of the assignment,

we read the list and all that stuff and I said all that stuff. They was like, yeah, yeah. It was like, yeah, that's just like the clown. Like that's the clown. Like the clown is the kid. Like the clown is the kid like the clown is the child like They have this childlike wonder and stuff like that and you get disconnected from that Yeah, and you become you become Robin Williams and not Peter Pan anymore You know, that's so tough. Yeah. No, no not Robin Williams. I'm not like I'm not like but you know Or or no

Yeah, I mean respectfully yeah the the um Okay, so oh yeah, you will like this shit the cacophony society you gotta look it up man the cacophony society The duty wrote fight club was in it Will you look up the guy wrote I can't play I can't remember his name I love He's such a good writer. Oh, yeah. Okay. Look up Chuck Palinukanuk, and then look up Cacophony Society. I think there's a picture of him at one of their weird. Cacophony? Yeah, all of Fight Club is kind of like supposedly somewhat informed by his experience

in the Cacophony Society. C-A-C, Cacophony, yeah, there. Oh, see, there's their logo. Oh shit one of those it's not that's maybe images click images Yeah, there you go there it is dude The cacophony society that book tales from the of the cacophony society is so good, too But these people are out of their minds and they would do Santa Claus Santa con is just one example of the shit they would do they would do the salmon run

Which is they would dress like salmon and run the wrong way and marathon One of the things they did in this is all from tales of the cacophony society is uh And this is all from Tales of the Cacophony Society is uh They all dressed up like clowns Yeah, but they position themselves at different stops on a city bus stop So you know you're on the bus and the clown gets on like oh clown you don't see them around much Stops again now. There's two clowns stops again three clowns before you know it the bus is just filled with fucking clowns Yeah, people are like what the fuck is this but I the the idea behind is is something called culture jamming Which is which is seems like what the clown is kind of doing

Like because we're all in this rhythm that is in the metronome or these kind of unspoken rules Here's how an adult behaves in public and it's a metronome are these kind of unspoken rules. Here's how an adult behaves in public. And it's a metronome. And, you know, if people break the rules too much, they get arrested. But there's a lot of little rules you could break where you're considered a rude person. So by culture jamming in a place where people are in a trance, like go to a grocery store, it is insane if you look at the grocery store as a trance state.

You look around, it's like people are real serious when they're shopping for groceries. Dude, it's very odd. What's so serious about this? But they're like quiet. Grocery stores tend to be kind of quiet. You hear the shopping cart wheels and you pass people and maybe you need help finding something, but you sure as fuck don't want to ask someone who doesn't

work there. There's rules, right? And so, and there's security cameras everywhere watching. It's in a big ass fucking warehouse. It's a weird situation, but people get serious. And even at the, you know, Whole Foods adds the wine bar Yeah, there is no more serious bar than the Whole Foods fucking wine bar go sit down there It's like people act like they're planning like a revolution or something in there. It's serious. So so That is a state of cultural hypnosis We don't know why we act like that in a grocery store.

Most people don't even realize they're doing that. So if you do anything that disrupts that, which is like the dumbest version of it, I don't know if you ever did this as your kid, but you get that you're like, hey, I can't find my friend. And you get the grocery store dude to be like, hey what, hey what what you blow me?

Yeah, you know to announce on the speaker some idiot name and for a second it breaks the hypnotic spell Yeah, everyone's laughing and that's what culture jamming is It's a way of like getting into the met fucking the metronome up It never works always goes back to the rhythm, but you can temporarily disrupt it It never works, it always goes back to the rhythm, but you can temporarily disrupt it. Yeah, it's like, I used to work at a grocery store and I got fired because the boss took my cell phone and I got mad and everybody's shopping,

everybody's shopping and stuff, and I got mad cuz he wouldn't give me back my cell phone I miss my last bus of the night and I was like, you know, I'm watching everybody and I was like, oh and so I went over to the PA system and I was like And I said attention I swear to God I did this I said attention I said if my boss doesn't give me back my fucking cell phone and I said I swear to God I did this. I said, attention. I said, if my boss doesn't give me back my fucking cell phone, and I said, I swear to fuck God, I'ma beat the shit out of him.

And everybody is shopping. Everybody is shopping. And they look up and they're like, who the fuck said that, right? And everybody's looking up. And I was like, and I said, you heard who the fuck said that, right? And everybody's looking up, and I was like, and I said, you heard what the fuck I said! And then my boss ran over and was like,

here, here, just take it, just get out of here! You know, it was like. Wow, that's it! Yeah, yeah, and that's breaking me. And if you think about it, and I'm like, you know, it's just fun to use these frameworks. I'm not saying this is the case

But if you do for a second imagine We're in something worse than 1984 because 1984 like you you kind of Recognize you're in a fascist fucking hellscape. You've got a TV in your house That's watching you big brother is watching you signs everywhere. You know it right? Yeah, but boy What if you don't even know it? What if you don't even know you have like internalized a bunch of insane rules that don't make any sense and aren't really based on Anything logical yeah, right so when something like that happens in your fucking like humdrum daily fucking life That's metered out by this metronome of like I don't know in your fucking like humdrum daily fucking life

that's metered out by this metronome of like, I don't know, consumerism or whatever. And suddenly they get to hear your voice come through the speaker saying you're gonna kick the manager's fucking ass. That's a holy moment. For a lot of people, you don't know what that's gonna do for their lives, and you didn't do it

because you're like, I'm gonna fucking break the system temporarily. You just did it. But I'm telling you, man, those moments, those are the moments that give people a tiny little breath of fresh air. Like, oh my God, is it over? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I better get back to shopping quietly. That's cool. And that's something I think the world needs a lot more. Yeah, dude. I remember I had a, speaking of clown, I had took my first clown class in like 2000 and maybe 15, 16 or something. And then it triggered me to do a one-man show Right and then so I was then I start going all these clown workshops, right? Yeah, and because I wanted to really get really good at it before my one-man show Yeah, so I um, so I started thinking I said man

I was looking at my teacher one day and I was looking at him and I was like this guy's a clown And I was like man. I said that's crazy, was like, this guy's a clown. And I was like, man, I was like, that's crazy. You know, cause he's just dressed regular, you know, whatever. And so on my way to my one man show, whenever I had like all my props and shit in my car, I had like this big ass wagon. I had like all these like dumb props, I had baby dolls,

I had like all these things, whatever I was gonna use for my one man show. And I'm driving in my little ass g35 and I'm going to Fairfax I'm like Fairfax that little theater off Fairfax or whatever and I'm driving or whatever I was a man and I go I was thinking about my teacher and I go man that guy's a clown And I go man. I go what the fuck does a clown do like what how do you know when you're a clown? Fuck does a clown do? Like, how do you know when you're a clown? And I'm driving, I have like all this shit.

Like in back of my eyes, I was like, man, that must really suck. Whatever, like you got a red wagon, a unicycle. And back here, just thinking like, those people are sad. And I was like, anyway. I was like, oh shit. Yeah, but it did hit me when I was like,

and I was looking like, I looked in my rear view mirror and I saw these props and shit. I said, dude, you're a clown. And I was like I like looked in like my rear-view mirror and I saw these props and shit. I said dude You're a clown Like oh shit Hey, do you think that's part of being a clown is you never really quite know if you are one like you always you? Waiver on it or is there some certainty in being a clown at some point you reach some true clown

Actualization where you're like no, I'm a fucking clown, but is there a lot of imposter syndrome in the clown world? I Don't know I think May may maybe I think people try to done I think people try to deny not everybody's it like not everyone's a clown or whatever, but like You know like I think I think that's just I think that was just like my inner clown Like everybody has an inner clown. And that's it or whatever. So, and I think some people don't confront it.

Like everybody's goofy and off beat in some, in their own. Even if you're the super serious guy and stuff like that. Or you're like Kim Kardashian or something like that. It's like, man, there's something clown like about what you bitches are doing. Or whatever like, I don't fucking know. So, I mean, fucking know so I mean yeah So it's just whether or not people want to confront it or not and that's you know, I think that's the difference

What do you mean confront like it's a confrontation? No, when I say like I mean, you know like confront it like or or embrace it All right, embrace it more so like yeah, man, like, you know like There is I don't know just embrace that part of you. Just like how we got different versions of ourselves, like maybe you want to one day embrace the politician in you, whatever, like, ah, this is, now I'm running for mayor or whatever, like, you know, just whatever, like, and clown is just one of those things that maybe you want to embrace one day

Yeah, I mean to me the funniest thing about Comedians because I obviously I know way more comedians. I know actual clowns. Yeah Is that because that most comedians I know are fucking smart? Yeah, And also most comedians I know do have a kind of confidence regarding whatever they're thinking at the moment. That thing that they're thinking at the moment fluctuates wildly, but in any given moment, they like definitely like, I mean, we've, all of us have held court and expounded upon some principle that we can really demonstrate great certainty

and we'll all listen like, whoa, that's cool. Yeah. Right, but we all kind of know, like you don't know, none of us really know what's going on. What I love is that people who see that, they get so mad at comedians because like the, they, I mean, I think Rogan's a classic example dude because like Fox News will think they own him. Yeah. CNN will think they got him. This group or that group will

claim like he's one of us and inevitably he pisses that group off because they put their tentpole into like a into like a comedian's world and it's like dude. It's that's Trying to like rope the thing in yeah, is there it's probably not gonna work. Yeah, he literally is like no I'm just a guy who makes people eat balls on the rear factor like he literally will tell you that like And then people get mad at that cuz they're like no no no sir you And then people get mad at that because they're like no no no sir You can't just say that you make people eat horse cum. That's just a trick. It's like no, that's true But I think that that is another thing is like maybe that's part of being a clown is

eventually you're gonna disappoint some group of people when they realize like, you underneath whatever the particular moment you had, there's just a clown. And the clown does things that probably are unwise a lot. It's like, so like we were talking about like how we like battle with wanting to be our intellectual, battle with wanting to be our intellectual, battle wanting to be our intellectual selves and being like our clown selves or whatever.

It's like, again, it's not saying that we're not like, you know, intelligent people or whatever. It's like, hey, this is a piece of me that I just chose to like embrace and enhance or whatever for the sake of what I do for a living, which is a comedy, whatever. Outside of that, I was like, I am a father. I'm this I'm that or whatever. Yeah, but I was gonna say this like It's like one time. I saw these two comedians

We're at an open mic years ago. They having a super fucking intellectual conversation very very fucking intellectual people right and then were having like this debate, and then I guess one guy stumped one guy, and then he was like, yeah, butt fucking. And then the other guy was like, did you just say butt fucking? And I think like that's like the clown. Like, that's like, he's like, you know, like.

And I was like, cause I was in fashion, like man, these dudes are making a point. And this guy was like, wait a minute, did you just say butt fucking is like, and then. See, cause people like us, that, I'm gonna appreciate that moment more. I don't care what the fuck they just, even if they did just like come up

with a true method of time travel. If somebody like does a good butt fucking joke in that moment Love that yeah, that's what comedy is all about Love that I like what was the other one um god damn it. This is so dumb, too Oh, yeah, like if you can get somebody to say like I love it when a politician says new direction New direction we're going in a new Sounds like new direction. New direction, we're going in a new direction. Because it sounds like new direction. It's the best, shit like that. I'm an idiot, like that is the thing.

But you know man, what's really, one of the things that's interesting to me about you is like you are so multifaceted, man. You do the like, outsider art. You do like, I don't mean like just in standup. I mean, your art is so good and cool and you're really generous with it. You're always giving people your art.

You brought that cool painting into the mothership. Thank you, man, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that painting. And then later as I was thinking about the clown conversation, and I thought, man, if I painted something that cool, I'd for sure point it out to everybody. I'd be like, look what I painted.

You just set it down to the side, and you didn't say anything about it. I love that kind of whatever that is. But what came first, the visual artist or the performing artist or is that a stupid question? You know it's It's like saying it's like saying like you you're a comedian. So it's like you You probably were funny as a kid. Yep. Okay, but did you also used to? Draw as a kid. Yeah, sure horrible at it though that it's just that right like I don't know

They're both were you know I had ADHD so I would you know yeah Fucking doodle a lot and all this stuff, and then so I guess they were kind of like both the same or whatever but then like I guess they were kind of like both the same or whatever, but then like, I guess, I guess I lost touch of, or I didn't think that it was a real like, I didn't think there was a real like thing to like try and get really good at was the art or whatever. Even though I gradually got better and better and better.

I was just doing it just to do it. But I would say probably the, probably the performance artist right probably yeah but then but then I saw like I saw where they could eventually meet you know like oh yeah oh man I guess I'll do funny art too you know and so what's that is that mohawk you wear did you know like one of the original clowns used to wear a mohawk? Did it come from that? No, no. Dude, after I was doing clown research, after our conversation, this famous clown,

like one of the most famous clowns wore a fucking mohawk. And I'm like, oh my God, dude. Let's look it up. Hope I didn't dream it, hope that it's real. Mohawk, yeah. Is this me that comes up? Like. Bello knock.

That dude, Bello knock. I guess that's not really a Mohawk. Oh, was it him? Wait, no, that's not him. It was something like, no, maybe it was Emmett. God damn it, I may have dreamed it. Oh yeah, will you open up Clown Wikipedia? When I say research, I mean I went on Wikipedia.

But this is where it gets really interesting. There's a lot of funny terms in here. That's not both. That's a typical clown of the Western buffoon tradition. The most ancient clowns have been found in the 5th dynasty of Egypt around 2400 BC. Unlike court jesters, clowns have traditionally served a socio-religious and psychological role and traditionally the role of priest and clown have been held by the same person. How nuts is that?

Your priest was also a clown. It seems plausible that folly and fools like religion and magic meet some deeply rooted needs in human society. For this reason, clowning is often considered an important part of training, is a physical performance discipline, partly because tricky subject matter can be dealt with, but also because it requires a high level of risk and play in the performer.

It's deep, no one knows that about clowns. It's deep, man. But this is one last thing, I'm sorry. This is where it gets interesting. The Hayoka, that's what my friend Raven taught me about. A Hayoka is an individual in Lakota and Dakota cultures who lives outside the constraints of normal cultural roles playing the role of a backwards clown

by doing everything in reverse. The Hayoka rule is sometimes best filled by Winkta? Anyway, like, that shit's... Kota Harlequins? Yeah. So it's just much deeper than people think. Hell yeah. And it's so funny, like, just to think about, like, how clown is used in, like, today's, like, in today's, like, society is like you... If you do something, like, if you do something, or if you're like wrong, or if you have an opinion

that's kind of wrong, or maybe it's right, and then people be like, oh, you clown-ass, da-da-da-da. So now it has like this negative stigma attached to it and all this stuff, it's like, oh, you a clown, you nothing but a clown. And it's just like, you know, it's like, man. I'm like, it's hard, because it's not hard, because I don't really care, but it's like, damn. I'm like, I really did study clowns's not hard cuz I don't I don't really care but it's like damn

I'm like, I really did study clowns. So I can't even deny that shit. So funny if somebody says that to you aggressively like Excuse me. I studied why to be a clown No, but the mohawk came from again from that one-man show. I was talking about. Okay one time. I have four characters and I One time I have four characters and I drew them all out and I was just looking at them after like the first set of shows and I was like, okay, I said, it's going good. I was looking at all the characters and I said, but one of these guys are missing something. So that guy's cool, that guy's cool. I said, this is the wow. So can I just give you like the quick premise? Yeah, please. Okay, so the premise of the show was like, hey, there were four, it was called Definitely a Comedy Jam, right? So I was playing four comedians,

but they were all different versions of myself. Okay. There was like a Pulitzer comedian, there was like this crack baby comedian, and he was like a prop comic. Okay. And there was a comedian who just liked to talk about pussy. Yeah, you know, I love it.

And and then there was this wild host or whatever, which was just named Jamar. And I was looking at all of them. I said one of those and I said, your host, I said, your host needs a wig or something to put on his head. You know, I said, because it's a clown show, essentially. Right. or something to put on his head, you know what I'm saying? Because it's a clown show, essentially. And then so I swear to God, I had this table that I used to do art on, and there was a skateboarder with a mohawk,

and I said, that guy needs a mohawk. And so I went to the costume store, and I got a mohawk, and I taped it on my head. And I was up there like, all right, now we got a fucking show, right? And I performed with it, and then one time, in the back, I was looking at the like, all right now we got a fucking show Right now perform with it and then one time in the back. I was looking in the mirror I was like man. I said no line I said, I don't know if we're gonna continue doing this one-man show, but I was like you should just kind of rock this

You know and I was like Yes, you could do different colors. I say you could do this you could do that And then so that's where it came from initially, dude. I thought you had a mohawk at one point a real one. Yeah, I didn't understand that was I didn't like it looked real I was like that's fucking cool. All right, everybody. Yeah, but I don't know Yeah, but but then but then that's where people start to kind of like like oh, you know do with the mohawk You know, right? Yeah, and all this shit. So, you know, oh, let's pull it up There it is. And people are like.

See, the first thing is it's fake, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw all those Reddit comments, and I literally went into Reddit and I go, I literally say it's fake. I know, but it's like you want it to be real. Yeah. That's probably one of the reasons no one takes me serious

That guy definitely needs to give a TED talk about some serious global like economic stuff You know you could oh my god, dude, this would probably be a pain in the ass, but you could just find the most serious sanctimonious Ted talk oh My god, you know what I'm lifting a bit from one of my have you ever seen Sam? Hide when he fucking invaded Ted no. Oh, dude. Can you pull this is one of my favorite? Comedy bits of all time you've got it like just based on what we're talking about right here. Sam Hyde, holy shit dude. He is like an engine of chaos. Look, this is okay. He infiltrates a fucking Ted Talk dude. Is this like when Eric Andre showed up in Alex Jones? Did he go on Alex Jones? I gotta see that.

You never seen that? No no hey watch this shit though oh yeah there we go look what he's wearing man can we turn this up a little bit so i'm not i don't like turn my head into it can you like how about now test test hey there you go yeah i'll talk to you later you're doing a good job go. Yeah, I'll talk to you later. You're doing a good job. Okay, can we reset the clock so I have another minute extra? Please. Thank you. There we go. Okay, hey, I wanted to start sitting down. Anyway, um, guys, pat yourselves on the back right now. Okay, let's do it. Come on. Everybody, I'm not gonna make you I'm not gonna let you stop until I see everybody doing it, let's pat ourselves on the back.

There we go, you two, you're patting each other, that's cheating. You couldn't keep your hands off her, could you? Yeah, hey, I don't blame you, she's cutie. Hey guys, that pat on the back right there is for saving the world, worlds, world. I'm looking at young minds right now. You guys are all intelligent.

I know that you did good in school. I didn't do that. You especially. You're very smart. Look at us. We're the machine that keeps the world going. Okay? I'd like to start this talk off with a parable, a story,

if you will. I was at a college, a second tier, not an Ivy League school, a second choice school, and I was in a class and there was a student in that class, okay? And the teacher, he was spouting some horrible nonsense about how, it was something about how women's rights are not legitimate, something that everybody knew was false. But if anybody had spoken up, he would have taken extreme joy in failing them, okay? Nobody spoke up.

One person raised his voice. One person started talking. Teacher couldn't believe it. The classroom couldn't believe it either. But in the end, he had logic on his side. And at the end of the day, he proved this point. That student was Albert Einstein. And in that same sense of shh.

Okay, that's good, that's good. That, that's it. When was this? Dude, it was a while ago. When I stumbled upon that. I must have watched a billion times, but funny as fuck Oh my god, he info like and he's it's a clown Right like he got into a serious place put on an what the fuck He's wearing like some fake breastplate and like whoa, that's it. That's it's like, it's like a, I don't know. I was thinking about this, I was like, man, like,

didn't I say this before? I was like, dude, what if, what if there was like a fake politician or something like that or whatever and he's giving us intelligent talk, but he has a booger on his nose the whole time and stuff, but he's really getting some, but he's really giving it, like, like, like really like doing the shit or whatever. Yeah. his nose the whole time but he's really getting something but he's really giving it like like you're like really like doing the shit or whatever yeah but everybody's like you know like

like yeah no no no i want it there he's like focus you know like you know he's really changing the world with his words but it's like You know, he's really changing the world with his words, but it's like, It doesn't matter! Pay no attention to my booger! What I'm saying is a life or death truth! Yeah, that's that's the um, that's cool, man. I will. This episode of the DTFH is supported by Better Help. Friends, do you have some self-care routine that you always stick to? I mean, it doesn't have to be a big thing like what I do, which is like every day. I do 700 pull-ups and then run 25 miles, which is why I have to wake up at 3 a.m.

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People are very serious right now. Do you not get that vibe? Hell yeah, it's like everybody thinks they know everything and it's disgusting. Like, I don't know, it's like everybody, it's like there are no room for jokes. There are no room for like, I don't know. It's like everybody is acting like the world's gonna end.

Like everybody's like, I don't know. It's like everybody is acting like the world's gonna end, like everybody's like, I don't know, it's kind of weird even, I don't know. But whatever. I wonder how many times the world's ended. Like, I bet it's ended at least 100 times. Like for real, for real, for real? Well, you know. Or to people. No, I mean like, you know, like,

it's really funny how people think they know how the world ends. Oh, right. Like Y2K and all that shit. Nuclear bombs, meteors. The list, the sort of the palette of apocalypses is relatively small for living in an infinite universe. Is is relatively small for living in an infinite universe like we know when you got meteors we got disease We got nuclear war. What are the other ones you got? fucking

That stuff yeah, yeah, you got a hold on there's gotta be some more apocalypses Thank you famine What else Uh, uh, but thank you. Famine. Um, what else? Uh, this is cool, man. This would be fun to be in this meeting. Like if you're God meeting with the angels about what, which apocalypse you want to do next. Um, yeah, what are we going to do?

Uh, well we did, uh, Meteor last time. Um, okay, let's do... Food poisoning. Food poisoning's interesting. Tell me more about that. Like what would you, what would that look like? Oh man, just pills. Like, I don't know, like everybody, I mean chemicals.

Okay, I like that. Deeper chemicals. Deeper chemicals in the food. Bleach, more bleach. Bleach apocalypse is interesting. I like that. Put that on the the board bleach apocalypse. We'll explore that You know like and you know you see in some horror movies you get the oh AI you get the machines turning against people but like what I mean is no one thinks about the

possibility of instantaneous destruction and instantaneous recreation of things exactly the same way as they were right before they were destroyed, minus the memory of the destruction. So we might be going through apocalypses like every day, this horrible fucking thing happens. The sky opens up, gargoyles fly down, mouth fuckers to death, and then just reset in the morning, wake up, you're like, whoa, man, I don't know, I always feel so weird. Yeah.

Because you just got mouth fucked to death by these demons that are wiping your memory and resetting the whole universe again. It's just the assumption that in an infinite universe, that there couldn't be an invisible apocalypse or an apocalypse that your memory is wiped from to me that's Ridiculous, I think the world's probably ends all the time. I Mean, I don't know because it's like, okay We just talked about like how many times the world has ended and like all this stuff all the dinosaurs and the mirrors and all That stuff but it's never ever ended. Like it was always here like

Shit like earth doesn't collapse earth has never like collapsed and all that stuff, but it's never ever ended. Like it was always here, like shit, like Earth doesn't collapse. Earth has never like collapsed. That's, well, we don't know. I mean, I mean, well, no, it could have collapsed. It did collapse. I mean, the shit it's made of, right? How did, no, like, okay, like the, well, I don't know.

I know what you mean, the, the, the, whatever, 11. The ball has never collapsed. The ball has not collapsed. Yeah. Yeah, like like Just deflates. Yeah There's always a earth It fucks up the people inside of it dude deflation God, that'd be incredible if we all realize the earth is like slowly God that'd be incredible if we all realize the earth is like slowly deflating is slowly turning flat Just just gradually like a you know, just like a basketball just slowly like like a like a beach ball

Just slowly losing air. Yeah, fuck dude. That would be like no one knows how to stop how to plug the leak That's an interesting way to keep in the earth I like deflation. Deflation or inflate, it's swelling up and it's gonna pop or, I like, but yeah. The earth was getting bigger. Does the earth ever change size?

Some people think it's getting bigger. Some people think the earth is swelling up. It's interesting. I mean, it is, and it's not a ball. That's the crazy thing, isn't it? It's like some kind of lumpy fucking like, it's interesting. I mean it is is and it's not a ball. That's the crazy thing Isn't it's like some kind of lumpy fucking like it's can you look up shape of the earth, please? It's not round like they show us. It's not like perfectly round. It's like kind of lumpy It's got like some kind of you'll see it's uh, oh

Blades spheroid. Yeah, it's not really round and it's got like a It's like so it's like you don't someone who doesn't know how to play though It looks like someone before they know the making a ball with play-doh trick This thing was made by a kid who's just learning play-doh Look at that thing. Oh That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? That's the fucking planet and it kind of looks like a head. Like it wouldn't, like where that bulge is in the front,

you could easily just put an eye there, put a neck at the bottom, you got a weird fucking head. Not a ball. Not that beautiful round ball that we all think it is. Just a kind of like fucked up bald head Did I got a question? Yeah, okay, so like okay? Okay, so we're on this thing here. Yeah, we're on this thing here, but Really it's open to the because we can all take a rocket or whatever and then go all the way to the outer space

And yeah stuff whatever but like art. I know we're on earth, but aren't we technically in outer space? Yeah, sure. We're in space right now Why why do you want to know that? Asking that man. Why do you want to know that? Cuz I'm like it's it's literally been something that's been fucking me for years like aren't we really in outer space like we are We're in outer space we're In a little flimsy fucking bubble in space like it's a bubble. We're in a bubble of atmosphere in space You're definitely in space honest, and there's this dude He says the earth is a spaceship

We are on a spaceship that is the mothership is the Sun no because you know the galaxies Move through space we're traveling. We don't just go in like the same circle We're like spiraling through the universe the whole galaxy is like a fleet of ships. Yeah, earth is the mothership And and we're like traveling somewhere Yeah, see that's what we're actually doing. We're zipping around through space headed somewhere the fuck knows where we're like traveling somewhere. Yeah, see, that's what we're actually doing. We're zipping around through space, headed somewhere, the fuck knows where we're going. And then, do you mind going back

to that oblate spheroid, please? See, that shit looks like an old spaceship. It's an old ass spaceship. You know, oblate spheroid looks like an old spaceship. It's been traveling through space a long time. It's got a fungus on the exterior called human beings or biological life. And that's where Hollow Earth comes in, is people are like, yeah, we're just like fungal algae shit living on the outside of a spaceship that's like going somewhere.

We're just like, what kind of idiot lives on the outside of the spaceship? Man, it sucks that we keep on blaming ourselves for destroying earth. Dude, I'm gonna be honest. It's my fault, personally. Like a lot of people don't realize I am responsible for climate change. They think they're doing it, but dude you have no idea what I've been doing and it's I can't stop. What is it? Dude, I am fucking shit up. Do you know me plastic straws? I use like every day my teacher a litter bug No, dude. No, I used to be a litter bug. I just take plastic straws Yeah, as many as I can get I go from Starbucks to Starbucks

I take those fucking things I get back to my house I burn them, and I just burn plastic in my yard all day long, and I spray fucking aerosols around the plastic. It's me, it's me. At least you're having fun, man. I'm not having fun, I cry. I weep, I weep for the heart. I'm like, live your life.

I'm like. Dude, what a heavy, yeah, that's like one of the heavy fucking things. Like, and that's a new thing. Like, probably a long time ago, people didn't walk around feeling so powerful and important. They're like, God, I'm destroying the planet. They just, they would sound crazy. Like, like what are you talking about you're not that important

but these days everyone carries a kind of some level of guilt or shame regarding their just their existence on the planet just consumption itself thinking about like talking about how I used to litter because I I remember that I did I was I used to always think about I was like man I know all this shit go to a wasteland anyway that aren't you just gonna throw it on earth anyway, right? Well, I can't just Put it on the freeway like what's that you just got? canceled

I'll be back. Oh this means I can tour now Yeah, everyone used to litter that was normal no one had any my dad everyone It was like you would be driving down the highway and you'd watch just fucking beer cans fly out of cars Like like it's Mardi Gras They're just throwing beer cans into the forest But yeah, I mean Jesus Christ like a lot of countries is still like that like, you know There's just shit everywhere that people that's where you see why it sucks. It's like yeah all goes to a fucking massive pile of compressed garbage

somewhere that we don't have to look at. But what was your favorite thing about littering? Just not just being able to just throw it anywhere. I don't know. Just to get rid of it. Just getting rid of it. Offloading. Yeah. Offloading. Those are all my dogs on the freeway.

Dude. Damn. Offloading yeah, yeah offloading just those are all my dogs on the freeway Damn dude, uh, that's before I had kids The thing that really used to creep me out is the inevitable kid shoe That you see on the interstate. I don't know if you ever noticed right, right? It was always like one shoe and what the fuck happened What fucking happened? I had no idea like if you have kids they'll throw their shoe out the window. Yeah, but Yeah, man that uh That's one of my favorite things if you find like a good swath of beach I

love Finding washed up shit. I don't care on the beach Yeah, it's cool like all the stuff that washes up on the beaches like you know It's like it's come from all over the world like you get weird Like depending on where you're at you can find some really weird shit on the beach You ever thought you ever put something in like a bottle and throw it in the ocean No, are you being? I swear to you. Well, what was it? It was just like, because people do it as hobbyists.

It wasn't like help, I'm lost. It was like, hi, my name's William Shaney, I'm putting this bottle in and whatever. It was like, yeah. It was still cool, but it wasn't like, you know, please fucking help me. Oh. That would have been awesome.

So funny, it was like from like 1930. It's like that whole shit. Where the fuck is Amelia Earhart? I think they found her plane. Oh, did they? Didn't they? They found like they were scanning the ocean and they found it definitely looks like a plane.

Like I don't know why they haven't gone out. I could be wrong. 2024. I always think about her. Damn. Is that it? That's her. That's her head. No, they think it could be right. That plane is fucked up.

Why would you try to fly that around me? That's what they had back then. That's a cool little tower on top of the plane. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Dude, I mean... She seemed like she'd be super fun to hang out with. Just don't fly with her.

Yeah, hell no. She couldn't even drive! Why? Look, explorers think they found Amelia Earhart's long-lost plane See that's definitely a plane that little yellow swath That sucks I Think she didn't she survive it or something man like some people say she found a little like there was some message or something man like some people say she found a little like there was some message or

Maybe she caught up in a Bermuda Triangle Dude, I love you know my favorite thing man is What's it called? ancient art like shit that they find in Mount like can you look I'm trying to remember the name of it like artifacts would do you mind looking up like like modern things That are fossilized like you know what I'm talking about like they find these things every once a while that don't make any sense

Compasses like old comp. Yeah like a hammer and like yeah. Oh Shit, whoa what the fuck is that? That's somebody's art, which is cool. I don't know see but it's not that they didn't find a goddamn fossilized cassette tape, but this is Nintendo 64 controller, I feel so dumb man. I'm gonna sleep last night. I can't remember one of my favorite. Okay, Google Google like ancient artifacts That seem modern. Maybe we can find this hammer that they found. It's really weird.

You don't have to put that are fossilized. Oh yeah, prehistoric civilizations. The ancient origins thing over here. There's one, out of place artifact. God, that's what it's called, it's obvious. Click on the Wikipedia there. This shit. They find this stuff, the

Antiktheria mechanism, a mechanical computer from the second century BC showing a previously unknown level of complexity. Every once in a while, yeah, Cryptozoology. Maybe scroll down. There's some other ones. Maine penny, 11th century Norwegian coin found in Native American shell. The Tamil Bell is a broken bronze bell with an inscription of Old Tamil. The bell is a mystery due to its discovery in New Zealand by a missionary. No one knows how it got there. That's the thing is like our understanding of history

Traces of cocaine and nicotine found in Egyptian mummies they were doing in Ancient Egypt you're about all those sharks that are on cocaine right now, bro Oh my god, and they're biting people more. I mean because there's been no joke I know it's still funny. I know it is like it's bad enough to get bitten by a shark, but then you find out it's cuz they're high Yeah, did you see cocaine bear? I loved it. Yeah. It was a really great movie really fucking great. Yeah, I'm glad they did that I mean now for sure they're gonna do cocaine shark. It's gonna be old genre of like coked up fucked up animal I still need to see Sharknado. Have you seen any? I don't like the sharknado. I don't mean to be a bummer, but for some reason I like cocaine bear. I don't like the Sharknado's. You seen it?

Yeah, I started watching it. I you know I I like I get it. Well, what's it about? Like you can ruin it for me? I don't care dude. It's about fucking like sharks in a hurricane right like just a storm of shark We look up Sharknado, please. Let's watch the trailer. I Right, like just a storm of shark. Will you look up sharknado, please? Let's watch the trailer. I Didn't finish it a lot. Oh you didn't finish it. I just started watching it I feel like I'm fucking sharknado poser now. I just started watching I didn't like it No offense to the sharknado people. I know what you're trying to do It's a good idea it's like snakes on a plane, right It's a good idea. It's like snakes on a plane.

What? Yeah, it's like... I don't know. I like... I like horror movies They're trying to be serious to accidentally are funny more than horror movies. They're like I know what they're doing is that's pretty cool I didn't get to that part. Okay. I like that shark biting a dinosaur on the beach, I guess I

Mean Yeah, and there's like three part. I mean, there's like three like sarkin in a one two and three, dude Yeah, like there it's a it like blew up, but Yeah, what's your favorite horror movie? The Good Son is crazy. You're seeing that no, can we pull that up? It's not it's it's more like a You're seeing a movie with Macaulay Culkin and um, I was what I think I know it's like a bad kid. Let's watch this. Oh Shit I Go for good, mutilate and monkey meat, chop a little piggy feet,

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Say goodbye. No! Oh, look at that bastard. You could have killed people. I feel sorry for you. I just don't know how to have fun. What? Have you ever read Nietzsche?

Do you know what slave morality is? Um... Nichi, do you know what slave morality is? Do you realize you're trapped within the constraints of a transient fucking culture that soon will be wiped out Why are you following any rules at all? That's what McCall can say So see of the creed of the sociopath, you know, it's just sort of like dude What are you doing? Like God you're spending your whole life Following all these rules aren't you and you think you're special because you follow the rules But that's that's what Nietzsche called slave morality. It's like you have been taught To just be a good person, but that's not good. Yeah

How could you call yourself good? How could you say, you know, like, by the way, I don't believe any of this shit, but it's quite convincing. The idea is like, okay, like, like, for example, if I walk away from a fight, because I'm better than fighting, you know, I'm a pacifist. Right. I can walk away from a fight and I might be able to convince myself that I am a hero. But the truth is, I don't got your guns.

I don't look like you if I was like ripped and strong and could fight. And some dude came up to me and was aggressive. And I'm like, you know, I'm gonna walk away from this. That's badass. That's pretty badass. I could have like, could have like, taught this person to rue the day he came at me, but I walk away. But if you really can't defend yourself, anyway, can you really say you're a pacifist if you don't do anything aggressive?

So slave morality is a term given to a system of ethics that allows the coward to imagine their cowardly life is virtuous when it isn't at all. Yeah, it's like, I just don't want to fight. Exactly. I don't want confrontation. I don't want to fight. I just want to be okay.

But you can kind of tell yourself, I just want world peace. But it's like, dude. It's like, just leave me the fuck alone, but it's like dude. Just leave me alone, man Yeah, yeah, so that Nietzsche was all like, you know pissed off at that shit cuz his whole thing was like look if you want to follow The rules that was not the nihilist guy Yeah. Yeah, no why and it's like, you know people make fun of Nietzsche to some degree because When you get into college if you study philosophy young you just got out of high school, you're like, fuck high school, you meet Nietzsche, and you're like, hell yeah! Hell yeah! I'm free! I'll do anything! I'm gonna jerk off into my own mouth, throw a rock through a window,

I'm free as a bird! And so like, but I think there's some really beautiful things, it's empowering. But also it just like, it can make you real angry and kind of poisonous and stuff. But I mean he makes some pretty good points. Yeah, you're right. I gotta pee. I gotta pee. The clown would piss his pants. Yeah, Jamar is going to go use the goddamn little coin. This episode of the DTFH is supported by my friends at Harry's. Listen, I'm sure you've had this experience.

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Yes. Dude, um, where are you at it this weekend? Uh, Plano, Texas, uh, House of Comedy. House of Comedy. Yeah. If this is your first time doing it? Yeah. Have you done it? I don't know, I don't even think about it, but the first time You do a club It's a little weird right because you don't know the room and you kind of have to learn the room like you need to learn The angles and stuff right that first show like you're kind of learning

That's what I love about like having the mothership or having some home club is you can like you get all that you understand The timing and the acoustics to some degree. And the first time to a club, how far away is Plano? Dallas? Well like four hours away. Oh that's not bad. But like an hour plane. How often do you go out on the road?

Never. Like I'm usually like wherever I be at is where I be at. Yeah right. But my friend wanted me to go with him or whatever. He was just like, I was like, all right, fine. I gotta see if this shit works anywhere else too. Oh, it will. Are you fucking kidding, man?

Yeah, I think so too. But I should get out of the mothership right quick. I'll come back to the mothership. No, Mitzi would always say that. She'd be like, you gotta go on the road. But she'd also, the comics were on the road too much. She would be like, he's on the road too much. He's a road comic.

She was always into sort of a balance between club comic and road comic. Yeah, dude. I never go on, like people, my fans, they want me to tour and all this shit, but I never ever like, I never ever like set anything up. And I'm like, I don't even know if I could sell tickets and shit Like oh, yeah, you I didn't even I yeah, but I haven't even tested that out

I'm like I just assumed that like I think cuz I'm so conditioned to not go on the road or not even set up a Tour time like I can't sell tickets. I'm like I probably can I just don't even fucking try for sure You can dude and also it's just like the you know, like There's there's like so many options. God damn, comedians are so fun. Like we all, we're all like stuck in a way of thinking about how to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so a system has emerged that seems like that's how you do it. And then it's, is it? Cause there's all kinds of like little rock venues and places you can go that like are So fun to perform at one and then I also think about shit like I also think about shit like what do you care? I mean, did you just want to work? You just want to work on an hour and perfect the hour? Yeah, yeah, but then but some but the venues care about it. Whatever and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right

It depends, you know, there's like a lot of venues that just like, you know, especially if they know of you They just want to look cool, right? Probably know initially though. I don't know but it's like it's kind of like think of a bar, right? Yeah like a bar Any given bar they just hope people show up, right? And if people come in great if they don't well whatever the comedy club idea is like let's lure These people into the bar with a fool right so then like people come to the bar And then it's great, but I think a lot of places like outside of like the bigger clubs They just they just like when people show up right. I don't know man

I feel like you know you could definitely move tickets No problem you want and also I don't think there's anything wrong about wanting to move tickets You want to pay for the tour you want to pay for wherever you're sleeping pay for the gas? Yeah, yeah, you know at least that yeah. Yeah, that's true. I yeah, I just never really go on the road I'm like when I was in LA. I was just only doing the clubs and shit, and I would go do like local shows around Yeah, but I would never be like I'm in Tampa this weekend. I'm like a couple times but like I'm not a I don't do the Yeah, you would love it. It's time to start guys just have this kids. So it's time to start doing something out there. So when

What the kid have the kid July Tim like oh, yeah mom. Oh, no. No. No. Yeah, you can't go out right now You gotta be with your baby. You gotta wait a little bit. How long? Well see planos not that far so I'm like, okay, I can go talk to your lady I don't like you know, it's I just talked to the mom be like, what are you comfortable with and make sure they're being honest It's like yeah it just depends on how they're doing like are they like comfortable with you doing that how much they need you around and like It depends on how they're doing. Are they comfortable with you doing that? How much they need you around?

And maybe they're ready for you to go. Sometimes my wife will be like, you need to pick up some more dates. That's a nice way of saying it. Get the fuck out of here. See, my thing was like, I'm like, all right, well, because even when I said, hey, I'm gonna go up, she was like, you're gonna leave for how long?

For like three days. Oh, what am I gonna do for three days? And all this shit, but I'm also like Also, like I don't know. I mean I also act so I'm like if I book a job You're gonna have to probably get used to me like not yeah, but right. Yeah, but this is this period this period right now be home because they they're like Wounded like not I'm not saying is I'm cheese. I'm thinking literally like if you look at like what? Not just to like the obvious parts, but I'm saying like inside. Yeah, there's a literal wound in there and they are

Flooded with hormones. Yeah, and they are like in a dream state there It's an apocalypse do yeah, and they're just like this is where the thing makes sense Yeah, because one of us has to have a hole in us and a thing sucking on us all day long Yeah, and if in one of us needs to be like, I don't know like getting diapers and just doing basic shit Yeah, then it balances out right and also won't last forever Yeah, also, yeah My thing was like well, I I didn't wanna feel like, I didn't wanna feel like I wasn't doing anything.

Like, so I'm like, whoa, you know, she's the baby's breastfeeding, this and that. I feel like I'm just the guy around, like, just like, I feel like I'm not doing anything. And so I'm like, well, I guess I should go out and go do stand-up. Okay, this is gonna say sound lame as fuck. Mm-hmm, but Sometimes holding space is more than just some shit hippies say sometimes holding space is real the idea isn't

In this funny cuz like, you know the way it affects guys like anytime my wife is Aaron's had a baby. I Get this like manic like I I gotta fucking do something. I gotta, it's this- That's exactly how I feel now. Male nesting. You're just like, dude, I gotta fucking like build something, make something, make something, do an empire.

We gotta do an empire. I gotta make a fucking empire, find a drought. I'll start painting for gold, hunting, find an animal, pelts, whatever. And that's, that's I think the other half of of it like of course like the idea would be Shit if one of us is sort of like, you know Unable to run real fast and has to protect a thing that can't walk Or even feed itself one of us probably has to be doing the other shit

Yeah, that's it's you just hit it on the head like that's exactly how I feel. I'm like, I'm like I gotta get on I got like that's literally my head ever since I have this kid. I'm like exactly how I feel. I'm like, I gotta get on the show, I gotta, I'm like that's literally my head ever since I had this kid. I'm like, fuck, I feel like I'm not, oh, fuck, maybe she's gonna leave. I'm like. Yeah, dude, it's heavy. But this is normal?

Totally normal. Okay, cool. Totally normal. I didn't think it was the first time. Yeah. And then the second time I was, sure, and the third time I'm like, oh, fuck, here's the thing. And it's like, oh my God, you just get get into this frenzy is that our postpartum? Yeah, I think I think it's it's like documented

It's like it's like you know people are scared to say that cuz you know it's like shut the fuck up My pussy just got ripped open and you're bitching cuz you want to put up drywall You know what I mean, but like like uh But for real it does kind of make sense because there is a change that happens in your brain when you have a baby for men too and It's a lot of pressure. I mean all that shit aside. It's just like you're recognizing this role that you're gonna take on and these people's lives so there's a real sense of like this role that you're gonna take on in these people's lives.

So there's a real sense of like... You just alleviated me at least 30%. I'm glad. Because I swear to God, I've been silently freaking out. I have a cool exterior, but I'm like, dude, I'm freaking the fuck out. I'm not afraid of this baby or the fact that it's here. It's more about like, fuck, I gotta be a man now. You know what I mean?

It's weird. It's right, yeah. And it's a death that no one wants to talk about. It's a better way to put it, it's like you're shedding a skin and that hurts. And like, the more aware of it you could be, the better, because you've got to say goodbye to a certain way of being. And like, there's all this, like, it's tumultuous too,

because also you're dealing with somebody you just went through the most insane, it's got to be the most insane thing people can go through outside of death, like growing, having a living sentient thing in you that is now on the exterior view, it's wild. And so, and you're with this being who's gone through this profound psychedelic experience,

and you might have some expectations about how you would like them to be because you remember what they were like before. Yeah. But they, my meditation teacher told me once, because I was like, man, I'm fighting with Erin, she's pregnant. Yes, Duncan, if I know you and if you experience what they are experiencing with all those hormones, you would have to get committed. I'm sure they'd put you in a mental hospital because they're spun out. And so it's a wild, wild period you're in right now.

So just, dude, just, yeah, don't go on the road right now. I think I took, I can't remember how long for the last one. Well, I mean, right after Aaron gave birth is when we made the midnight gospel the first time and like there's I had to go to Work and and I felt like a fucking asshole because like it was like making a show and it was like sucked and but now whenever the babies are coming I Figured out a way to get some time off so I can just be there But you don't have to do it forever talk to her just see what she feels comfortable with yeah Okay, okay, I don't know this first. I'm this my first so I'm like I let us know man

if you need some help or something man, you know, Aaron is like the ultimate I'm the ultimate like I don't know what the word for it She's not a dual or anything like that, but she is so good at helping pregnant student She loves you man. Like yeah, yeah, like yeah is so good at helping pregnant student. She loves you man like yeah Yeah, like yeah, you should talk to her man. It's like for sure. There's like all kinds of little things that out All right, you know what they really love what they love it when you get drunk Pregnance here's what you do come here's what you do they love this Tonight go out and get fucking wasted.

All right? Hug a couple of girls, the only thing we ever, just get some perfume on you. Yeah. Come home at four, right? And slam the door as loud as you can. And then she's like, I just fell asleep. You're like, don't, don't fucking try to control me.

And then just go to sleep. They love it, dude, I'm telling you. I'm'm gonna do it and it's good for the baby, too I know you think anything. I'm playing around Hey, you're the best man, thank you for coming on my show This is such a fun conversation. Thank you. Yeah, so You can find your bar at the mothership. Yes Any other dates that pop up? House of House of Comedy

Today okay. Yeah House of Comedy in Dallas with Paul Elia from the What is it, this, I don't know, fuck it. This weekend, this weekend. Just go to the show, Dallas. At Jamar Neighbors. You're fucking awesome, man, thanks. Let me use that, baby. That was Jamar Neighbors, everybody.

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