Duncan Trussell Family Hour - 633: Jason Louv

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

Jason Louv, author, teacher, and Soul Bird from The Midnight Gospel, re-joins the DTFH! You can learn more about Jason on his website, JasonLouv.com, and if you're interested in magick, meditation, and sacred traditions you can learn all about that on Magick.me! Original music by Aaron Michael Goldberg and Duncan Trussell. This episode is brought to you by: Factor - Visit FactorMeals.com/Duncan50 for 50% Off your first order! AG1 - Visit DrinkAG1.com/Duncan for a FREE 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 FREE travel packs with your first purchase!

I got shows coming up. Oh, I'm so excited to get back to the Comedy Store. You can find me the 13th of September, the 14th of September, the 15th of September at the beloved La Jolla Comedy Store. Come see me, won't you? After that, I am headed to Helium in Philadelphia, the 10th, 11th, and 12th of October. One of my favorite clubs out there.

And then, oh Lord, I get to go to Canada, Vancouver, the 17th, 18th and 19th at the House of Comedy. After that, the 1st of November, woo, the Wilbur. Oh my God, I can't wait to see you there. We're almost sold out for that one, so please get your tickets now. Nashville, I'm coming to see you at the 7th of November at Zany's.

I really can't wait to get back to Zany's. And then on the 15th and 16th of November, I'm gonna be at Chicago, Illinois at the Den. Can't wait to see you there. Let's do a podcast. Hi, friends. Welcome back to the DTFH. Today, what a guest we have for you.

If you like the Midnight Gospel, you already know this man. He played the Soulbird. His name is Jason Louv. And he teaches magic. Now, I know what you're thinking, some of you at least. You might have rolled your eyes. You might have cringed. You might have drawn backwards. That's not real. Magic? What do you mean? Like Harry Potter. But I think what you will love about Jason and his ability to articulate the esoteric

is you'll find it's not what you thought. If what you thought was based on some shit you got from reading Chick tracks or from Satanic Panic movies or from watching Harry Potter. Jason is the real deal and that's what I love about him because for a lot of us, I think we'd like to believe magic was real or maybe some of us don't want to think it's real. Both sides are not great. Because if magic is real, if there is some way of framing the universe that transforms it in the positive or the negative, then you're sort of missing out if you haven't at least examined the concepts behind what has informed a lot of things

that we consider normal in our culture. Like logos, for example, we talked about in this episode, the Starbucks logo is Ishtar. You could just go on and on with all the strange occult symbols that are around us all the time that are being utilized by very successful companies to sell coffee or whatever. Point is, magic is maybe a little more normal than you think,

but also it will blow your fucking mind. And anytime I get to have a conversation with Jason, I get my brain exploded in the most beautiful way ever. So get ready, everyone. Also, if you are interested in what Jason is talking about and you wanna examine it at a deeper level, take one of his classes. They're incredible.

You can find him at magic.me. You can find the links at dunkatrustle.com or in the description here. I highly recommend it. Now everybody, Jason Louv. Yeah, I had multiple chances to stay in India. And I always just, what I, you know, I had a job offer or I wanted to see a girl or something. And now once the door is closed, it's closed. but I'm glad I'm here. It's a lot more interesting here. I'm glad you're here too. I'm glad you're, we need you man.

And thanks for coming on the show again. Of course. But you know, it's like, you know, you read like the whole, if you stumble upon the like hardcore Buddhist text, once you make it through the Western Buddhism, which I love the Mahayana stuff and the, you know, let's be compassionate and stuff.

And then you start making your way into like Vajrayana. And then you start reading that shit and they stop tiptoeing around. They're not trying to like keep, they're not trying to protect your- All of a sudden there's donkey headed demons with hooks and shit. You're like, what the fuck is this?

But also there's a sort of like, no, leave. You leave. Like, no, you go, go, go. I mean, it doesn't say to India, but the general idea is go on the pilgrimage. Like, no, you are being held by Maya, by the Mara, I guess, in that case. And of course, it's hard. Of course, you know, there's job inevitably. Right when you're looking out of whatever your palaces windows are,

out into that weird forest, and you really make the decision, you know what? I'm going out there. I know I've got everything here, but I'm gonna see what's out there. What happens? You inevitably come back to where you started from and realize that what you needed was at home all along,

but you're much richer for having the experience. Or that's just another trick of the fucking thing. It's like, you know what I mean? That's just another trick, you know? And I love the alchemist. I love the story of it was with you all the time. The jewel was sewn into your robe and you didn't even know the diamond was there.

And I love all that. But you have to wonder, that's just a more subtle form of keeping you trapped. I think so. Or is it trapped or I think that ideally as we mature, we begin to accept life as it is more and more. So is it a trap or is it just another message that would be here now basically? So story on that, you know, be here now, basically?

So story on that, I mean, in 2010 was the second time I went to India, and I went with a guru and did that whole trip, and I was up above Rishikesh, so I got up to about 13,000 feet in the Himalayas with the group. We went to the shrine at which Ram meditated for the strength to go to war at the beginning of the Ramayana. And I remember being up there, okay, now I was probably oxygen deprived, but I was looking at the vista, I mean, we're above the cloud line, above where a plane would be,

we're looking out at the line of mountains in kind of like the purple-blue evening haze, and it's like the Himalayan mountain range, like the highest mountain range of the world. And I just look at it and I'm like, looks fake. It's like, like, like how then I looked at my how is this any different from like a taco truck in Echo Park in L.A.? It's like the same feels just as it's just as fake. But that wasn't like a disillusionment.

It was just like. You know, this is as artificial as any other experience that I'm gonna have. It's just something new is on my TV screen. But I'm still looking at a TV screen and I'm really grateful to be here. This is incredible. But at the end of the day, it's like,

I'm not more enlightened just because I'm here. Right, right. Yeah, well, I mean, this is the other thing. I mean, I always loved the definition of Maya that I learned from the Hare Krishnas, which it's not just illusion, it's living illusion. Like it has its own personality. It is not just like, I don't know,

one of those stupid eye, like I always got headaches looking at them. Do you remember? Magic eye pain? Magic eye. I love those, yeah. Yeah, it's not one of those stupid eye, like I always got headaches looking at them. Do you remember? Magic eye pain? Magic eye. I love those, yeah. Yeah, it's not just like a magic eye, it's a living thing that just as it's, the way water's wet, it tricks you.

And so in the archetype of leaving the palace, as like Buddha did or whatever, I guess in the West it shows up in movies as the trip from the East to the West, you know what I mean? The doors or whatever, wood stock. So what you imagine in your mind that you're leaving the palace, but what you don't realize is you're just going to another part of the palace,

and that's what you experience. Well, did you ever see The Prisoner, the show from the 60s? No. It's amazing. Okay, spoiler alert. It is one of the most phenomenal mind-fuck TV shows ever made.

It's about a secret agent who retires from the British Secret Service. And right after he turns in his resignation letter, he gets sleep gassed and they take him to basically an island called the Village, which looks like a nondescript English village from the 20s, or, you know, a nice English garden. And the entire thing is basically just a almost like

Disneyland-style psy-op to try to extract what he knows out of him. So the whole show is them playing increasingly elaborate psychological tricks on him to try to get him to divulge information. And it's never specified why they're doing this. There's one episode where he actually escapes. Every time he tries to escape from the island, this gigantic white sphere comes out of the ocean

and grabs him and pulls him back. It's amazing. In one of the episodes, he escapes from the island, gets all the way back to London, and then realizes he's been on the island the entire time on another set that they've constructed. And then the bulb brings him back. So that fucking bulb. Reality's a little bit like that.

Yes, there you go. Because the bulb is your brain, right? It's like you're carrying the fucking bulb in your skull. And it's like a waxy imprint of everything you've ever experienced. And then the light of consciousness is shining through it. So anywhere you go, you're just seeing the same goddamn shadow wherever you go.

And the activity of seeking, and not to get all like non-dual guy, but the activity of seeking itself in a very tangible way, the activity of seeking of the mind, of the mind trying to grab for something, puts it in motion. So as long as you're looking for something, your mind's moving, it's not still.

It's so annoying, that quality. You can see it on psychedelics sometimes, where you're trying to get your mind to stop, and the more you try to clamp down on it, the further away it gets. I call that chasing the dragon, the more you try to clamp down on it, the further away it gets. I call that chasing the dragon in the real sense. And eventually you figure out if you just stop,

it will come to rest on its own, which that's Buddhism, that's meditation, that's Zen, that's non-dual. It's just like, just stop and let it settle on its own. And you know what I hate about that experience? Is when you finally do it, you're like, well, this is boring. I know, that's why you don't do it.

You're like, well, that would be such a letdown if it was that simple, like, god damn it. I mean, no, it's like, God, this is such a dumb reference after what you just said, but I just watched, and I hadn't watched in a long time, I'm in a hotel room. You're just happy if something's on that isn't people getting murdered, you know, like, because a lot of hotels you go to,

it's there's all it is forensic files, Dateline, Fox News, you know what I mean? It's all it is, is just death. And I know there's other channels, you know, or Storage Wars, which is really... I love Storage Wars. Well, yeah, I love Storage Wars. I also love Pawn St stores with Chumlee. Storage Wars was great for me.

And then suddenly I just realized, like, oh, these are vultures going into the like last bits of material that people whose lives are finally like collapsed to the point they can't pay for their storage unit anymore. And they're just like, oh, look, what's this? Oh, a plaque from the magic castle. Let's take it to the poncho. It's their grandfather's plaque. You know, they used to look at it and think about the great the pop pop. Anyway, the the I landed on this show that I haven't seen in a while called As Good As It Gets.

Jack Nicholson plays some dude with OCD. I don't saw that. It's supposed to be great, right? It's fucking great. And for some reason, I expected like it to be just because I'd seen previews and I felt like, oh, is this some kind of celebration of like boomer aggression? You know what I mean? Which is like, which is why boomers like it, because the character Nicholson plays says whatever comes out of his fucking mouth,

homophobic, just a monster. And I was like, oh, I guess this is just like, you know, what falling down was for boomers where Michael Douglas plays that he's, I've had it. I was in my mind, I was in falling down every day of my life the last two years in LA. Dude, that is anyone's experience in LA. But anyway, my point is, spoiler, seriously,

this is a spoiler, jump at like 30 seconds because I don't want to ruin it for you, but as it turns out, as the movie progresses, you realize he isn't a bad person. He has like severe mental illness and he hasn't been taking his medication. And he's got like, he's just fucked up and doesn't wanna be, but he's lost in it, you know?

And then, so you go from like being like, what a piece of shit to like, oh fuck man. He's like real sick. And he leaves, he leaves his therapist, goes into the waiting room. There's everyone waiting to go into the therapist. And that's where the title of the movie comes from. He looks at them and he goes, what if this is as good as it gets?

Right, right, right, right. You know, like what if, like maybe if you just relax into it, it's not as bad as it seems. I mean, kind of this is the thing with, magic is largely a perceptual shift and it is seeing the world as an adventure, as a challenge, as a message, and as more than anything, a process that is intelligently trying to evolve you.

So if you're looking at the world in a magical way, you know, your conflict with your boss that you hate might turn into a conflict with a dragon, you know, all of a sudden, not necessarily a conflict between a knight and a dragon, but your life begins to take on mythological resonance and meaning in, I suppose you could say, self-directed Jungian analysis type of way. Yeah.

self-directed Jungian analysis type of way. Yeah. But the thing about magic that people understand, and this is probably the most important point to make in getting people to snap into the head space where it starts to make sense, is when people think about magic, they think about the Hollywood magic, like you're throwing fireballs and yeah Potter and all of that

So they expect it to be more than just by the word itself magic you expect it's gonna be like higher definition more Added on top of life or dramatic when actually what it is is paying attention to things that are so subtle most people miss them it's going inward and Looking at the very subtleties of perception and the hard coding of the mind and the hard coding of perception. So you can kind of get down to the core level of things. An obvious example of that is the process of meditation, where as you know, the more you meditate, the more your mind quiets and the more and more subtle layers of mind you're able to perceive that were completely covered completely covered up by your own internal chatter and all of that.

And then as you get to those levels, you start to have interesting experiences. Your perception changes. You can have what appear to be religious experiences sometimes, but it's from looking at the more and more subtle levels of reality. So we kind of are in an interesting bind in 2024,

where we have more access to this information than ever before. We can have a podcast about it. Everyone can hear the secrets of magic on all over the internet. But so we have access to the information, which was very hard even 30 years ago, but we're so blasted by the stress from our cell phones

and constant information overload that it's very hard for people to get the time and space to get into those subtle levels to meditate. It's hard to find places that are quiet, you know. Our brains have probably been rewired by cell phones. But that's kind of the name of the game. Well, yeah. So what you just laid out there is a different kind of like palace, so to speak.

In this case, it's this technological palace that is almost suspiciously set up to keep you from getting still. And it's wild. And I don't just mean the obvious ways. We're addicted to our phones and also we're hyper-connected to everyone else. And also don't just mean the obvious ways. We're addicted to our phones and also we're hyper connected to everyone else. And also because many of us are working from home or are not at the office anymore.

There's always this sort of the gravity of our jobs that is pulling us away from that space that you're talking about. There's that level. But I mean, I went anyone who's listened to this podcast for a while knows I went a little crazy for a little bit. I've been, I've gone crazy many times, but in one version of insanity, I became convinced that if I started a podcast, a leaf blower would start because it kept happening with such freak. I mean, in LA, that was definitely true. It was just like, I was just, ah, the frustration. And so I would try to do like, okay,

I know what this is, this is confirmation bias. Like the human mind finds patterns where they do not exist. And so then, like, I would try to set up a situation where there can't possibly be a leaf blower now, because I know when it happens, the time, it doesn't happen at this time. And I remember like once, right when I hit record, like as though like someone behind the scenes of reality

been waiting like, okay, do it now, do it now. A fucking leaf blower. But I literally press record and it's like, wah! And at that moment, I felt what I think a lot of people feel in the beginning phases of exploring this lens that you're talking about. I felt a sense of a hidden, hilarious conspiracy, not necessarily evil, as much as some form of bizarre training

that is coming from whatever this university is that we all seem to be in. You know, and a recognition of that, and realizing, oh, as long as I'm letting the leaf blower bother me, it's gonna keep showing up. What if, in order to gain ultimate power, you have to actually go in the opposite direction of taking it as personally as possible?

Like, for instance, you know that book, The Four Agreements? Yes. Okay, where it's like, you know, it's not personal. Okay, I'm gonna... Don't take anything personally, whatever the agreements are. I'm gonna do the dark side version of that, the two agreements, which are whatever... Whenever anything happens, it's inconvenient,

it's targeted and personal. Make sure you take anything happens, it's inconvenient, it's targeted and personal. Make sure you take it, that it was targeted and it was targeted and it was specifically because somebody doesn't like you and they're out there somewhere. And if you go through life like that, it really opens a lot of doors, you know? Well, I love reversing the thing. I mean, that, you know, what do they call it? Like adding wood to the fire. I love that technique of like

Anytime I get really like if I realize that I am Driving around in some kind of morose state that is self-indulgent. I Will if I'm like catch it, I'll try to find the most sentimental music I can find Play is the soundtrack for this morrow State and something about amplifying the The role that I've decided to play of being the like butter person over something relatively insignificant It snaps you out of it and I like that a lot like that. That's a good trick But you know it goes the opposite direction for some people. I mean one like of all the conspiracy Groups that I enjoy the most, it's the targeted individual.

Oh, tell me about this. I mean, I'm okay. You already know. See, this is the thing that, I mean, it's like, it's, I mean, this is a schizophrenia symptom, right, where you think that people are targeting you specifically. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's, I don't. It's a little bit, it's a little bit unpleasant, I mean. Well, I mean, it's hyper, I mean, it's,

it's unpleasant for a lot of different reasons. A little backstory here, when I was studying psychology, one of the cases they talked about, and I wish I could remember this researcher's name, but he was studying the paranoid schizophrenic. Okay. And I think this must've been in the days when psychological, this is like Stanford prison experiment

days, kind of the Wild West. They're just like, yeah, we might- When you could just torment grad students, just cause. Permanently damage people. Like, you know the story about how the Unabomber became the Unabomber when they were doing all those acid experiments on him and Whitey Bulger. It's like, yeah, there you go. Oh, that's a deep one.

But it's in that era, which was like for the golden age of psychology, because those are the experiments you hear mentioned the most. Like you don't hear any of the new ones. Like that's the ones they talk about. But apparently this researcher wanted to see if he could induce paranoia, if it could be contagious,

and if it's something you could self induce. So his idea was I'm gonna start walking around pretending that people are watching me, following me and see what happens. I don't know how long it took, all of a sudden he's like wait. Oh my god, oh My god, like they're actually people really There's no reason I should be seeing that lady in different parts of the city. She's following me

Oh, so it started to become real for him. Yes, right and he had a psychotic break from the experiment. So This point he didn't understand confirmation bias. Oh, I think that's what was so shocking about it is knowing confirmation bias knowing that yeah, and and and it didn't it didn't his crucifix of Western psychology did not save him from... That's surprising. You would think he was more trained. I mean, because you're pointing at such a fruitful territory

and important territory to talk about when it comes not just to magic, but anyone's self-directed experimentation with their own perceptions, shall we say, which is probably a lot of people that listen to your show. Yes. And so you've heard the phrase chapel perilous, right, Robert Anton Wilson phrase.

So to make this as simple as possible without mythologizing it, although I love to mythologize this through the Arthurian quest, you know, which is what chapel perilous is from. But you start off as with a normie perception of reality, which is that it's essentially dead dry matter. It is not related to you. You start off as it with a normie perception of reality, which is that it's essentially dead dry matter. It is not related to you.

You are, and you are not connected to it. Often for, can for many people cause a feeling of deep alienation and separation from the world, particularly in our, you know, our consumerist kind of post-religion era where they have no sense of higher meaning or connection even to other people. So normie consciousness, you are disconnected from the world around you.

And then you can go into, let's say, a more psychedelicized consciousness through various consciousness expansion techniques, where all of a sudden you realize that you are connected to the world. And that will produce things like synchronicities of some really meaningful coincidence just happened. world and that will produce things like synchronicities of some really meaningful coincidence just happened or An experiment I often do with students. I have them pull a tarot card in the morning and I say, okay, so take that card We're gonna talk about the symbolism for 15 minutes Throughout the rest of the day. I want you to look for symbolism that relates to that card

Yeah, and invariably they will be seeing all kinds of insane stuff, right? they will be seeing all kinds of insane stuff, right? You know, like we'll pull the emperor card and then they'll see an ad for what says, you know, emperor or something, that type of thing, like a billboard. And that's chapel perilous because of the slip you can make there is thinking that you're doing it. You're like, oh, I have some type of magic power. Or so you can go, you can slip too far on the positive side

which is thinking that you now have some type of special power. Or you can go you can slip too far on the positive side which is thinking that you now have some type of special power yeah or you can go too far on the negative side which is what produces conspiracy thinking which is oh somebody's arranging this and targeting me specifically which is what creates the targeted individual thing all that but both of those are misperceptions you don't have extra power and nobody's out to get you. What's happening is confirmation bias. And what that means is what the thinker thinks the prover proves. What you look for, you will see

because we're surrounded by infinite information all the time, almost all of which we're blocking out. And when you tell your brain to look for something, it will find stuff that was already there, but you weren't seeing because you weren't actively looking for it. And that can be so dramatic that it can seem supernatural. So then it's kind of like the Zen mountain.

First there's no mountain, then there's the mountain, then there's no mountain. And that's for many people a let down. Oh, there's no magic, there's no conspiracy. Yeah, but didn't you just find something interesting about how your brain works? If you tell it to look for something't you just find something interesting about how your brain works? If you tell it to look for something, you'll find it. It isn't that in its own way magic in the sense of if you focus on looking for reasons why you should feel bad today,

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I veer towards what's bad, what's wrong, what's off in the world, what's going on here. And you know, somebody, somebody I think, what was the accusation they said? You just act like you don't have hate in you. But there's hate there and you pretend there's not. And I thought that was a really funny accusation because it's like, no, it's because I'm so aware of how much anger is in me that it creates

this incredible contrast between all the stuff that isn't anger. Okay. You know what I mean? And like, no, of course I have like all kinds of anger issues and things I wish were different and victim mentality and all this stuff. But what that does is the moment it burns bright enough, it helps me see what isn't that. It has a boundary to it, I guess is what I mean.

There's a place where all that anger, it doesn't permeate me totally, but that other stuff, it's just so subtle. It's so light. You know what I mean? It's when Buddhists are talking about emptiness. It's so light. The anger is dense. You can really grab onto it. You can really build a life on it. And you can really like spend your whole life seeking vengeance or whatever. Some people spend their whole life seeking vengeance. And the whole time you miss everything that isn't that.

And you know, you get to pick which one informs who you are, you know? And I think both denying one doesn't do anything for the other. Right, well, one of the great things with Western magic also that really gives it a leg up in some areas over the Eastern traditions is you just have a very expanded palette

of psychological descriptors for people. So, you know, you can, most people see things as, oh, that person is in a binary, like, oh, that person is good or bad. That person is young or old. That person is smart or dumb. And, you know, in the Eastern systems, you kind of get, you get, they're still pretty dual.

Then you look at something like Kabbalah or Western astrology where it's like, okay, well here's 10 spheres that interconnect to form 32 paths. And each one of these is a sphere or a tarot card. Each one of these represents an aspect of the human soul and an aspect that is eternal, that has produced all these mythological forms in gods,

this psychological energy. And so when you're getting into anger like that, well, that is the sphere of Kiburah or Mars. And then that relates to the gods Aries and all of this and fire and- I'm an Aries. So there you go, right? So, but when you have something like the Kabbalah, you see that, but then you can see, you immediately remember,

oh, but it's also connected in network to all these other things. And you need to develop them all more or less in tandem to be a healthy and well-balanced person. Because there's nothing wrong with anger, in fact, or Ghabura, in fact, you know, in many ways, that's the one that our culture struggles the most with because Ghabura is the sphere of the sword. It's of making distinguish, distinguishments between things and saying no,

and making divisions and judging. And that's something that our culture struggles with. But you need it, you can't get rid of it. But if you only do that, yeah, then you're gonna be an angry person all the time. But you still need that, you just need it balanced in network with all the other spheres, like a neural network. And this is the magician, right?

When the magician terror, this is where it's like, right? Like the sword is there, but there's all the other. Well, yeah, the magician is just one of the paths on the tree. It's associated with the Hebrew letter bet, but the magician has all four elemental tools at his altar, right? So the four elements is an even simpler model,

but even that gives you four elements to look at somebody, four or five elements to look at psychology from rather than just good and bad. Then you have fire, earth, air, water. And these are metaphorical terms, but they allow for really really interesting ways of looking at yourself other people in the world. And you know that when you look at like that whatever the particular thing you're

carrying around, well if you look at the sand in your diaper, to put it in fucking bro terms, you pussy. No, when you look at the, whatever it may be, for me, like, you know, some form of aversion to everything mixed in with a kind of annoyance that could quickly spring into anger. Like if I look at that, and I don't want that to be in me, because why the fuck would you want that in you? Anger?

Well, no, right. I can think of a few reasons. You don't want the dissatisfying experience. You wanna feel fully, full of light, full of joy. Depends on the situation, I don't know. Dude, I, as a heathen, someone who veers into hedonism, this is what I'd like. Elden Ring, baby, numb me down, hypnotize me, you know?

But then if you just spend some time with the thing and start looking at it, you realize, oh, there's some real power here. It's beautiful in its own way. My God, it's some real power here. It's beautiful in its own way. My God, it's so like perfectly stubborn. And it's like, you know, standing against everything that it doesn't like. I'm just saying the negative,

or that what people assign negative to inside all of us, if you spend any time with it, you can see there's some beauty in it too. And something for me, perceptually, the moment I start recognizing that, it softens up a little bit. Yeah, and I think that certainly the Western Hermetic view of the world is that it's all,

everything's part of one big puzzle, or everything is the mind of God talking to itself, right? Or we're all in, in more modern terms, we're in an intelligent system that seems to be self-aware for whatever reason. And so if you take the magical or the, as they called it in the Renaissance, the natural philosopher way of looking at things,

whenever you encounter something, whether it's something in the world or in yourself or an experience that you have or something in history, you're asking not, is this good or bad? It's where does this fit into the puzzle? And trying to understand the totality of the world as it is rather than how you want it to be. Like a scientist or a curious explorer.

So I think my way of thinking of magic or the great work is it is the You know almost the archaeological exploration of both one's own mind and the group mind of humanity to learn to become a more Complete human being that understands more of the universe because you've been able to take down some of the wall rigid walls of your ego and Understand that far beyond you, this thing that you're in, if you unite with it more and more, you will understand more and more of what it is and why you're here and what a good life can be. So philosophy in action.

And so can you pull something up for me? Can you pull up the John Dee image for me? Can you pull something up for me? Can you pull up the John Dee image for me? So like, you know, everything you're saying, I love it so much. And I think, you know, what's amazing about you, what's amazing about Ram Dass, what's amazing about Alan Watts is you are sort of,

no, the other one, the, the yeah you guys are you you function as a kind of translator right because like everything you're saying is a sort of distillation of something that gets very esoteric and this is something that I've always been fascinated by the sizz sigillum. Yes. The specific one, yeah. What is that? So that's the seal of Babylon, if you turn it upside down, but it's also the sigillum Dei Ameth that was transmitted by Edward Kelly to John Dee.

It's a map of the seven planets as the force manifesting in the universe and the various angels that are emerged from the pattern of creation of the universe. So in a sense, it's a map. It's in occult symbology. And think about occult symbology, not as trying to hide something, but as symbols that are there to talk about huge, gigantic forces that are not necessarily objective forces, but more psychological forces.

So this is a map of the universe. It's a symbolic map of the universe, much like a Tibetan mandala would, the map of the universe. This would be the Western equivalent. And so you sort of, in like each of the spaces, you have, those are the names of the angels. Yep. Okay, so let's, if you don't mind, and I know this is like probably a little bit like asking a quantum physicist to sort of break down the scrawl that you see on the chalkboards that they scribble on,

but can you, let's start like at the top, at the north, I don't know, west corner, the very top, what is that? Do you know what, I can't read it, because I'm fucking with you. The G? That one, what's that? The very top, like, okay.

EL. Hold on. This part, describe what this is. Okay. Like the squares and that. What is that? Okay, so you've got... The way that the Enochian stuff works is

it's kind of coded in the way that messages... You kind of do zigzag patterns across it to assemble multiple names. But these are all names of angels. There's ones that are assembled from the outer ring. In fact, there's an even further one all the way out there with numbers.

And then going to the ones inside. And these, I believe they're stepping down in level of manifestation as you go along the rungs. I definitely have at some point worked with all of these But it's been quite a while. So oh, but there are names. They're all names of angels. There's a sense of like dimensionality to the thing too like it's like you're looking into a tunnel or something and So this that's that's that so that's assessment is correct. This is like geometrically sort of going down into... Or manifesting outward.

Or manifesting outward. And so what would be in the center of the thing? So the, well, you've basically, the key here is the outer star of Babylon is a seven-sided figure. So that's always the seven planets. And then the pentagram in the middle is five. So that's always the seven planets. And then the pentagram, pentagram in the middle is five. So that's always the five elements.

So earth, air, water, fire, and spirit is the pentagram. I see. Yeah. And if you spend some time staring at it, it starts like, you know what I mean? You start seeing other things in it that you wouldn't see if you just looked at it for a second.

Like if you just- That's one of the things about magical images is when they're really potent, you can spend forever and every time you look at it, you'll see something new. Yeah. Austin Sparrows paintings are like that as well. I mean like- Well, any really, really good art is like that.

You see like, you know, I can see a cloven-huffed. I see, you know what I see right now? I can see a cloven-huffed being with horns playing Dungeons and Dragons with teenagers. If you look closer, you start seeing in-app purchases. Oh my God, I see them. I see, oh my God, I see the logo for Blizzard. Oh my God, I see it.

So yeah, that's to me what's interesting about, okay, you could take that down now. What's interesting to me about images like this and mantras is they function in a similar way. Like you like chanting Hare Krishna, or Ram Ram Ram Ram. You know, you do it a few times, it's gonna sound the same,

but if you do it for an extended period of time, it doesn't, you start hearing resonances and things in it and you realize, oh, it's some kind of map, like a sonic map that you won't even like understand until you've spent like hours saying it over and over. And then it's like, what the fuck is this? Right. Well, then you have to ask, am I perceiving something or projecting something onto it? And that's kind of chapel perilous because you don't ever really fully get the answer to that. That's kind of the wobble room that you have to walk in doing magic,

which is why it's not necessarily for everyone. But I think that human beings are multi-dimensional. We exist on all these different dimensions. I mean, we exist in the dimension of We exist on all these different dimensions. I mean, we exist in the dimension of our senses. We exist in the dimension of memory and dreams and visualizations and hopes for the future. We exist in the dimension of we have a different relationship with every single person in our life. We play different roles for different people.

And yet we're somehow on some level aware of things that are going on on the other side of the planet and our sense of agency. So human beings are very multi-dimensional, but it's easy to forget that because our current economy is very much an attention economy that is, you know, makes money by constraining people's attention to commercial messages. That just is how it is. So it requires a little bit extra work to remember one's multi-dimensionality.

And that doesn't have to be magical, though magic helps. I mean, it's just like get out of the house for a while. Just took a vacation to New Orleans for a week and that was great. And that's a great way to remember multidimensionality. But magic and spiritual practice is a good way of recovering who you already are, because our modern society very much likes covering that up or inducing us to forget who we are. So for various reasons of control or just assist with the consumer process.

And so, you know, people very much when they're younger, in particular, don't have a sense of who they are or what their map in life should be. Right. And then people as they get older can find themselves successful, but as a version of themselves that they didn't wanna be. Well, okay, so this is the part that is really frustrating to me, is that

we live in a world that is run by magicians. Yeah. And they put it right in our fucking faces, but the moment a quote normie or whatever starts recognizing the multi-dimensionality that you're talking about or the the moment a quote normie or whatever starts recognizing the multi-dimensionality that you're talking about or the transcendent reality in the secular world, they will be rejected or eyebrows will be raised or like, man, you need to get back on your meds.

You're fucking losing your shit. And yet, you know, like in other words, like if I show the wrong person a sigil I drew or something, they're just going to come on, dude, too much weed, baby. But then will you pull up the Starbucks logo? This is a simple example. Isn't Starbucks is an honor or star or something like that? Yeah, it's fucking in God.

There's fucking ishtar. Well, you know, it's like you look at car logos car company logos also like they're often astrological, you know Taurus for instance. Yeah Yeah, there you go fucking ishtar and then like pull up Apple the Apple logo. Yeah, I always wondered about that one Is that the Apple that is bitten in the garden of Eden Well, we don't know do we? But there you go the fucking forbidden fruit. Yeah, that's what I always thought. What what's an oh just pull up sheriff's badge? That's seven sighted star

Okay, okay So it's like the sheriff's get to where their fucking like magical star all over to denote some kind of like power. But the moment you're like, look at my goddamn Enochian map, people like, well, you're a fucking Satanist. Well, the Enochians has been the province of the British nobility for quite, for hundreds of years. So often they just want it for themselves.

What, and then, and so then to me, that's where it gets really fascinating, is that here we are in a world, an attention economy, as you call it, where to draw attention, these brands throw up their sigils in front of us to keep whatever that particular, what's the word for it, the, god damn it, such a good word. It exists,

but it doesn't exist. God damn it. Liminality? Not liminality. It's an even better, egregore. To keep the egregore of their brand going, like, you know, pull up Target. Whatever the thing is, you know what I mean? Like, it's a hypnotic, it's clearly just some kind of weird hypnotic work. Well, I mean, this is just part of how we communicate. I mean, if you go back to the Middle Ages, you've got heraldry and all of that. And the binding of reality into symbols is an innate faculty of human beings.

I mean, the thing that distinguishes us from the animals, I think, is our ability to bind time through symbolic, I mean, time, we're the time-binding animal. That's so weird. Yeah, and if you think about it, the binding of time and experience and feelings into even just written language is so unfathomably powerful of a thing. It staggers the mind.

So if you even, you know, written language, but then using symbolism like that to communicate to people, the thing about symbols is they go through the conscious mind and go straight to the unconscious because the unconscious communicates in symbols, hence dream symbolism, right? In dreams, that's how those letters of your mind operate. So it's not like there's some big conspiracy,

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It allows you to directly rewire what's going on in your unconscious, which is what distinguishes magic as a tradition from self-help or positive psychology, but of course, makes it a little bit more, requires a bit more guidance. I won't say more dangerous, but requires a bit more guidance. You won't say it, I'll say it.

Yeah, well, in the sense of in teaching magic, the role of a good teacher of magic, in my opinion, is to, if we were talking about that perceptual shift, that kind of Zen mountain, is to get somebody from the place of feeling dry and disenfranchised and disconnected from reality, to showing them the magical world, take them up the holy mountain,

show them the magical world, where all of a sudden there's synchronicities, there's messages, there's crazy dreams, there's all of this stuff. And get them to that, but then lead them out of that to the point where they understand it's their mind doing it and that they have control over it. It's understanding that what they're doing is engaging their confirmation bias intentionally so that they're not controlled by it so that they can harness that and so that that's tricky it's easy to get into the first thing

much harder to get to the second thing right well it could feel like a little bit of a disappointment I guess it is at first but then you realize well you know now you get to something like the idea of the true will. Right, so it's like, well, if I can put my mind on anything and my life begins, it's like, if you think of life as a trip, like Sitpa Bardo, right? And it's like whatever you start. Like what?

Sitpa Bardo is the Bardo of normal life. Oh, okay. Right, like not the afterlife Bardo, it's the Bo of existing incarnation. So if you think of life as a trip, just like a psychedelic trip, you know, as we know in a psychedelic trip, if you start focusing on something, it's going to start generating that type of trip. Yes.

Which is why I always want to think happy thoughts. Yes. Life is the same way. And that's kind of what magic is. You start focusing your life in one direction on one principle or goal, and life starts going in the direction of that trip. So once you realize that that is largely arbitrary, and you can do it with basically anything, which is another reason why that bit of the chapel perilous can be tricky, because much like on acid, unlike mushrooms, when you're on acid, you realize that everything's up

for grabs, you can kind of program whatever you realize that everything's up for grabs. You can kind of program whatever you want the trip to be, which is kind of how there's kind of no guardrails on like mushrooms, which kind of have their agenda for you. They sure do. So magic is kind of like that, where it's like, you could theoretically focus your life on literally anything or all kinds of things,

or be hyperactive and do all these different things, which is what I tend to do. But you get to the question of the true will, which is, okay, if I get this, now I understand how quote unquote magic works. Okay, well, what am I gonna, now you're right back to step one, what do I wanna do with my life?

Yeah. Right. And so now you know how potent focus is, directed focus. Well, maybe you should start thinking about what that is. And not just thinking about it, but taking actions in that direction, and you'll inevitably fail, but you'll learn. And you'll keep learning and through experimentation, continuing to go in that direction.

And that becomes the next step, which you don't need a teacher for, but you need a teacher to kind of get you through that chapel perilous. Yeah, and I guess you need a teacher to get you through the, at least like, so for me, the chapel perilous. Yeah, and I guess you need a teacher to get you through the, at least, like, so for me, the chapel perilous part, which by the way, I don't, is this thing you're talking, it doesn't, isn't it possible that you're going to land in the chapel perilous more than once?

It's not like a one-off. It's like, you have to just be aware of the condition. Absolutely. And life always throws you curveballs. So yeah. So for me, the part where it like, that I get spun a little bit is if for whatever reason I have decided to open up, to start looking through the magical lens, instead of just like, I'm gonna play Hearthstone and I'm gonna fucking watch TV and fall asleep. But if I'm like, let me just start watching,

then you turn on, I don't know, the Lady Gaga concert film. And you're like, oh, well, that's a ritual. I don't know what it is, but she's definitely doing some kind of ritual. I'm not sure what she's into, but whoa, that's interesting because you're looking at a ritual, you recognize it from other rituals

you've seen or read about. And then you see the people and you wonder, do they know they're at a ritual like all of them? Some of them might, but a lot of them don't seem to understand that they're looking at like a very, very powerful magician perform an incredible ritual. And, or in a not so cool way, you look at TikTok or Instagram, right?

And you realize that maybe the individual content providers on there are not powerful sorcerers, but the amalgam itself has produced a sticky trap for human attention. And just like you're saying, because the algorithm, and I don't know that it has necessarily the agenda some people think, but just it's like, all right, what do you like?

You like this? Here's more of it. Now you've grabbed that attention that I think people like you teach us to liberate, you've grabbed it and you've focused it in on this micro worldview, solidifying it, crystallizing it and giving you more like new language that fits into the micro worldview,

thus giving you some magical tools that work within that place. And to me, that's where I get spun because that seems real sinister to me. Where technology meets magic in this incredible way, where it's pulling every individual into a micro universe that is in the same way way the gang stalking world, the people who think that they're being targeted, you're getting pulled

into a universe of people who are experiencing paranoia and then that's being confirmed. Yeah, well, yeah, and see, that's what the internet has really fucked with. I mean, because when you have those confirmation biases, but then you can get online to whatever subreddit with all the other people who have the same one, then you're stuck in chapel perilous

with like a support group in there. That's what I'm talking about. And then you can't get out. I mean, then you get incels or all this shit. Whatever, name it. Like name, and you always know. I don't know how we got to deal with that as a society because it's just going to get more and more extreme.

And you see foreign countries playing on that as well and trying to feed into it. It's like, how do we even, how do we navigate that? You put down the fucking, the hypno rectangles because when you start realizing it's like, aside from the fact that if you look into like early tech and what a lot of the people who helped us have the the phones in our pockets what they were into was magic They were magical people. There were pagans. There were techno pagans. They were just way off the rails Compared to most people and they're the ones you know

Somebody just told me that apparently the Apple watch was the guy who designed the Apple watch Was a pagan or as a major into magic something like that I mean look at the language and jobs was an acid head look at the coding language look at like and so when you start realizing like the The very big overlap there between IT guys and vehicle huge overlap yeah Yeah, and I'm not saying that's bad, because a lot of the IT guys. I'm that type of guy. Yeah, I know you are.

But I don't think the IT guys had a sinister agenda other than wanting to. No, they're Californian hippies. All this stuff was happening in San Francisco. Technopagans, you know, that was a great, great, great world. But I think. Very idealistic, wanting to free humanity. Yes, to free humanity.

And anytime that happens, whatever the thing is that the naive hippie was trying to create in the hopes of like freeing humanity inevitably gets taken by the corporations. And then now- That's just part of the process. I think it's like a spiral. And it's not bad that things get taken by corporations

because if they don't, they're never gonna happen. Well, it helps elevate them, signal boost them. And I don't mean that, I'm saying that to me, the really creepy thing here in particular is that the people who are being hypnotized by these microgravity wells for the human attention don't understand that their attention is valuable. They don't understand that.

And their data is the new oil, attention even more so. Yeah, and so what I love about what you're talking about is it's at the very least, it invites people like value your attention, understand how powerful it is. Well, it's like I said, I think on one of your podcasts, I said, attention is the currency we spend to make things real. Yeah. And I think that's very true.

And I'm a huge pro. I love technology. I think that we need it. It needs to be better. It needs to be better, faster. And the thing that people forget about technology is it's a tool. It's not a television. It's a tool. You can use it and program it the way you want to. You don't have to be on Instagram.

You don't have to be on TikTok. You should take control of that. Remember that you have agency. I think we tend to talk about phones like they control us, but they don't, they're tools. And we shouldn't forget that. And although I just wish, you know, phones, you could reprogram phones, you can't, they're idiot proof.

They don't let you change the code on your own phone. I know. There's no way of telling what it's doing. I know, isn't that fucking suspicious? Of course, yeah. But you know, I think just some awareness of like, look, I know you think you're a fundamentalist Christian. I am.

I have become a fundamentalist Christian. And I love that. Finally, I fucking needed you to do that for the longest time. I know a lot of people imagine that they're like adhering to some puritanical code. And what they don't understand is by interacting with the technology, beaming their attention in to another group of people's like focus, that they are in a coven and that they are casting a spell that is the manifestation of whatever the particular worldview is that

they're all focused on and that in and what's happening right now is Coven wars where we they call it culture wars. It's fucking coven wars the world the world is magical now It's we're living in the magical world that everyone thought that was gonna be great and it is great in a lot of ways But everything because of technology because of information, we live in a world that is, you know, your power is determined to some extent, not just by how much you can channel your attention, but how much you can gather the attention of other beings as just pure energy.

Your power is determined by information and your access to essentially magical technology, like how advanced of AI you have access to, things like this. It's a world of gods and monsters in the form of AI. And it's only gonna become more pronounced, right? More pronounced. So if you don't need to go looking for magic,

what we need and the point that I'm constantly making is what we need is an operational and ethical framework to deal with the magical world that we already live in. And in many ways these magical traditions have that. If it's a real tradition, any good tradition like the Golden Dawn or Diant Fortune, things like this, of not just ethical guidelines, but exercises and training systems for dealing with, for lack of better way of putting it, magical power. And this is power that we all have now, which is being exercised without a whole lot of wisdom. And one of the reasons why people are exercising it, one of the chapel paralysis that we're in as a culture

is that we have the ability to, as they used to say, reach out and touch somebody. We can be in touch with the entire world, but we don't quite have the awareness that should go with it, which is that we are part of that world and it is part of us. So it's like, if you have this old kind of mindset

of you are just dry matter, disconnected from anything, and so you better get yours before you're dead. If you have that combined with the city, the sorcery, the occult power of interconnection with the entire planet, and you don't have the realization that you are already at the soul, at whatever you want to call it, at the human level, already connected to those people. Oh, right. You're part of them and they're part of you.

Yeah. Well, you're going to get global pyromaniac. That's what we got. Yeah. It's fucking pyromaniacs just trying to burn the web of reality down. And again, I don't think, like, you know, if I give my kids, like I've thought about doing this, but they're too young, but it's like,

I can't wait till they're old enough where I can show them, take a magnifying glass, put it under the sun. You can set shit on fire, man. But I'm not gonna do that. I've thought about doing it a few times. I'm like, no way. It's hard for them to get a lighter going, but a magnifying glass, that's easy as fuck. Just take the magnifying glass, find some light and start a fire, baby.

So it's like, so if they started a fire, if I did show them the magnifying glass and they started a fire, they didn't mean to burn anything down. They're just like, this is fucking cool, man. And I think we're in a similar situation with technology. It's like the attention in this case being the sun and the magnifying glass being, you know, your phone or whatever it is you're using to signal boost your ideas into the world or whatever.

And it's, and a lot of people don't under, because we do live in the dry, secular, non-magical dimension, which is not the totality of reality, but some thin sliver of it, people don't understand which how much they can hurt themselves, how much damage they can do, if you fuck around with fire. And that I think is what we're looking at.

It's like people who've just stumbled upon the reality of interconnectedness that is already there, but technology is demonstrating. And then that is thrilling, but remove from it everything you teach. And now you just have people who don't really understand your you you were all in it together man like this is worth sharing this this space together and we can sounds like communism Duncan dude well have you heard

of somebody named Carlos Marx now I had no idea what it really meant. But you know, I don't mean, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I love what you do because if I try to explain my thoughts, it comes out as a shotgun scatter. But you're very, the reason we're lucky to have you is because you're very precise. And I think like the more people tune in to the magical reality and the way you're teaching it, which is balanced and I think a very like safe way to do it, maybe the more people will start using our attention,

magnifying glasses to stop starting fires and to build things together that help everybody. I don't mean communism. God damn you for accusing me of being a communist. I killed a communist just yesterday. A Marxist got in my yard. No, no, no. Welcome to Texas. I got seven Rottweilers in my yard. Do you know the demon Karan Zahn? Where have I heard that? Tell me about him. So the demon Karan Zahn is a representation to no can demon. It's a representation of the mind at its peak Chattery Ness right before giving up in the meditation

before giving up in the meditation process. Whoa, whoa, that's cool. And it's just the ego, the false ego given total, just completely let off the leash. Wow. And it manifests as babble and the world of adjectives is what we called it and manifest as during the crossing of the abyss. Cool.

And Quran's on is what, so, you know, people talk about, they look around at the world and they say, oh, like somebody must be doing this for an agenda. I mean, I think that hopefully if there's anything that is positive and there's not much that has come out of the last year or two or three or four years, it's the idea, or even the last decade is the idea

that anyone is in control of this. It's just chaos. It's just chaos. And as they say on 4chan, it's happening. It's like there's a new happening every goddamn day. Two more weeks, baby. Yeah, right. It's just like chaos. And so what is being manifested is not some grand scheme or some new fascist Roman empire or something like that, whatever people think is happening. It's chaos.

It's because we live in the world of Karanzan now, and the world of adjectives, and of empty... Karanzan, another way of looking at it, is data, or knowledge without any understanding. Understanding is a higher sphere, right? So it's just disconnected knowledge, disconnected information, with no understanding, and certainly no wisdom.

And so the way out of that is not more communication, it's silence. And so, you know, if there's one, whatever magical suggestion I have for the world or for people listening to this, it's just in whatever way you can find more time to be quiet and silent and with yourself and off the phone and disconnected from the news and the culture and just whether it's in nature or not, whether it's you could

just pull the covers over your head if you need to, you know, spend time of intentional silence because that's the only way we get through this period. Because on the other side of the abyss and Karanzan is the goddess Babylon. Sophia, you know, is the totality of the consciousness, the warm feminine embrace of the conscious universe as a whole. But to get to that, you have to get through your ego. And most people are not willing to surrender their ego. And so it just becomes more and more, da da da da da, Quran is on it like that.

So. That's cool. That is so cool. So ideally our culture gets through that without destroying itself and into total. The Quran zone is the Lord of dispersion. So. The Lord of dispersion.

Wow. By the way, this episode of the DTFH has been sponsored by the Quran zone. It is a trampoline park nationwide chain Yeah, sorry forgot laser tag and yeah use offer code Duncan and you will get 30% off their new dispersion room. I just want your thoughts will be fractalized I just watched the most fucked up Nicolas Cage movie Called where he was like trapped in a in a Chuck E cheese and had to fight these demigods

I said you saw this movie. Yes. It was great. I loved it. What was that movie called? called where he was like trapped in a Chuck E Cheese and had to fight these demonic possessed. You saw this movie? Yes. It was great. I loved it. What was that movie called? It was loosely based on Five Nights at Freddy's. It's a video game.

It was Five Nights at Freddy's. Five Nights at Freddy's, yeah. Okay, okay, that makes sense. Jason Louv, thank you so much. Yet again, you've blown my mind and given me a lot to think about specifically. Like, can I design an AI to emulate that demon he's talking about? Like, what would that be?

It's called the Internet. It's called the Internet. Tell us about your magic classes. And wait, before you tell us, I'm sorry, I invited you just so you guys know, when I go on the road, lots of people come up to me. You've taken your classes and they are always like, thanks for introducing me to him. It like completely changed my life. So this is the real deal folks.

I wouldn't have a fake wizard on the show. Even though I don't think you like me referring to you as that, but whatever you. Okay, cool. So I teach magic, meditation and mysticism at my online school, magic.me, M-A-G-I-C-K dot M-E. There's a free course on there you can get started on and we teach everything from everything,

chaos magic, astral projection, hermeticism, teaching how to impress your friends and family with your new esoteric knowledge and deep, far away. Most importantly, how to stare far away into the distance in meaningful ways so that people think you are mystic and deep. But you can actually be mystic and deep. So it's magic.me, M-A-G-I-C-K dot M-E.

You can check out my podcast. It's called Ultra Culture with Jason Louv. And I'm on YouTube. Just look up Magic.me on YouTube, Instagram, all these great places. YouTube's pretty good these days. It is all the links you need to find freighter Jason Lou I don't know that you can go to dunk it Russell dot-com again. It's Cronzone and these it's an incredible trampoline park and what's really cool is the neural implants

Oh, yeah, which allow you to hear the We're just about past pig trials and we're going to go to a human. Pigs, though, you know, they're weak. Like, I think humans are ready. The pigs, yes, they're having trisimbalisms, but I think humans are ready. Anyway, we'll talk about that. And I'm so happy that we started a business together because it's I love jumping. I love jumping on the trampoline.

Yeah, and modifying people's brains. What? I mean, improving. The lawyers don't say improving, not modifying. They keep saying modifying. All right, love everyone. Love you, man. Thank you.

Hare Krishna. Yeah. That was Jason Louv, everybody. And I do want to invite you to come out to the Corozone. This is a trampoline park, but it also has laser tag. There are neural implants that are completely safe. Jason may have said something about problems with the pigs, but I'm telling you the pigs that we got access to

are not healthy pigs to start off with. I'm positive that your brain will be fine. It's barely invasive. And here's the incredible thing. The brain doesn't have nerves. So like when we solder in the wires, you won't even feel it. But what you will feel is the joy of jumping

on grade A premium trampolines, but you're gonna experience it as though you were a seagull flying through the air. It's the Jonathan Livingston Seagull neural implant experience at Corozo. Use offer code Duncan to get 20% off that experience as well as 20% off the implant removal, which is quite expensive to get the things taken out.

It's cheaper to put them in than take them out because you really, you act, it's, we, I'll let a surgeon come on and talk about it, but you pull out, you can wipe out someone's childhood is the problem. So we're very careful, that will not happen to you. But you will sign waivers, which is normal at any trampoline park. You sign something, we're not responsible,

but it's incredible, man. Flying as a seagull. You know you're jumping on a trampoline, but you look over and you see those wings. I'll see you soon. Goodbye.