Duncan Trussell Family Hour - DEREK WATERS DRINKS HISTORY

Episode Date: September 27, 2013

Derek Waters (Drunk History) returns to the DTFH to talk about the creative process and the nature of evil.

Ghost Towns, Dirty Angel, out now. You can get Dirty Angel anywhere you get your music. Ghost Towns, Dirty Angel, out now. New album and tour date coming this summer. Praise, sweet Jesus. It is autumn. Thank God. Fall is here.

It's hit LA at last. The evil dragon of summer has been blown back into oblivion. No more hot, sweaty days, dripping sweat onto my dog. No more assholes and shorts with 7,000 pockets forcing me to witness the horror of their hairy calves. No more awful, hammer-like blows to the brain from the satanic summer sun. No more beach invitations. I didn't get any beach invitations this summer, but I wouldn't have gone. I'm not a summer man.

I'm not a summer person. Haven't been for a long time. I only liked summer because it got me out of school. That was the only reason I liked it. Nobody in their right mind can really enjoy a hot summer, not in reality. There's the romantic version of the summer, which is that you go down to the beach and paddle around, watching the seagulls rise up into the sky, floating around on a raft, swimming around in a pool. But the real version of the summer is you just try to escape from the heat, depending on where you live.

Maybe if you live in some temperate place, it's okay. But if you live in a place like Los Angeles or Texas or any place beset by the horrors of global warming, then you scuttle like a cockroach out of the light and into your house. And not everybody has central air conditioning. I have a little portable air conditioner that I would push into a room because I live in an old house and it would just turn into a kiln, where you're just constantly sweating and the air conditioner is barely beating back the heat. I know it's not cool to not like an entire season, but I don't. I don't like having to wear short sleeves.

I want the option to wear long sleeves. I like wearing sweaters and I like that. I don't want to have to be forced to throw on some dumb short sleeve shirt and then go waddling out into the heat like a pig climbing out of his pig chamber. Whatever pig's sleeping. His pig hollow. Staring at keyboards, watching sweat drip down like salty rain. Is it so hot in your house that you actually have to have a towel near your keyboard to wipe your brow when you're trying to write letters?

Or whatever you're trying to write, emails? It's a mess. Summer is a fucking mess and it's gone. And that's a victory for all of us autumn people, all of us fall people. Everyone who's a fall person right now feels a sense of victory over the oppression of summer and of the summer devotees, the disciples of summer, worshippers of the sun. They worship the fire god. They walk around in their short shorts with their little colorful little shirts waddling around with that summer glazed eye.

That gleaming look of joy, completely unexplored joy. They don't even know why they're happy. It's because the sun has boiled their bird brains and they don't know what's happening anymore. All they see is the blue sky and the sun and they like the smell of sunscreen and then they go hobbling down to the beach and lay in the sand trying to ignore the fact that what they're laying in is just a thick coating of dog shit and baby pee. No no no summer, you're gone. Thrown wherever, I guess in some parts of the world at summer right now. I think in Australia summer's just kicking in.

Well I'm sorry friends, but I like the fall. If you like summer, it's fine. I know I was just a little harsh on you here, but if you like summer, great. It must be nice to have watermelons for brains. You're listening to the Dunkin Trussell Family Hour podcast. The year is 2013. It is almost October. Many of you are getting to enjoy leaves changing. That's nice.

In LA it's not really like that. We just get a nice, there's a nice wind blowing through today. The sky seems a special blue. In the summer the sky is not the blue of the fall. In the summer the sky takes on this, the blue of a black tar heroin addict's eyes. It's a kind of milky, diluted thing that should be pretty, but just seems like death. But in the fall, things get the right color blue up there. And the fall things come into this nice, sweet, crisp focus.

No longer is this guy the blurry blue of somebody who's been doing that new Russian drug crocodile that makes your skin fall off so that you're just a heroin addicted skeleton thing convulsing in your nasty Russian cot. It becomes the blue of the Dalai Lama. It's the blue of Sufi poet's eyeballs. You summer people with your margaritas and Jimmy Buffett greasing yourself down with sunscreen because the very thing that you love so much is just trying to give you cancer. Parading around in your short shorts where everybody could see the jut of your pussy lips

smacking out of the tiny little pants you decided to wear. Well, that's okay. It's hard to enjoy the aesthetics when you're baking under the hell demon of summer. It's hard to enjoy beautiful women wearing no clothes and wandering around when it feels as though you're a frog that's been thrown in a soup pot. Fall is here. Fall, now you can listen to Nick Drake and feel normal again. Now you can wear hoodies and pretend that you're a monk.

We're going to play some Nick Drake right now to bring in the fall. It's good up in the clock. As simple as a cactus, steady as a rock. I could be here and now. I would be, I should be, but how? I could have been, but what are these things first? I could have been, but what are these things first? I could have been your pillow, I could have been your door.

I could have stayed beside you, could have stayed for more. I could have been your statue, could have been your friend. A whole long lifetime could have been the end. I could be, oh so true. I would be, I should be, through and through. I could have been, but what are these things first? Oh, one of these things first. I could have been a whistle, could have been a float.

A real life gift for her, could have been a boat. I could have been a signpost, could have been a clock. As simple as a cactus, steady as a rock. I could be different here. I would be, I should be, somewhere here. I could have been, but what are these things first? I could have been, but what are these things first? That is one of my, that's my favorite Nick Drake song, hands down.

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If you're the type of person that I am, the type of person who doesn't like going to Target and being surrounded by the reminders that we are all transforming into one giant glob of plastic and flesh, then Amazon.com is a way to avoid that reminder and have a nicely dressed delivery man bring you a brown box filled with whatever you happen to order. It's super fun, gets super high and go on Amazon and order stuff late at night. You'll get cool little presents that come the next day. It's like Christmas all the time with Amazon and I'm not just saying that because they give me a percentage of what you order. It's like all the products that I advertise on this show, it's something that I use all the time. And I seem to be, my usage of Amazon seems to be increasing. The more I realize that it keeps me away from that plasticky air that you have to breathe when you go to the giant stores that are sucking the life out of our planet.

Oh, I hate them. I don't really hate them. Speaking of not hating corporations in this podcast, I kind of talk about how we have to stop demonizing corporations and I don't want to spoil this podcast. It's only one little piece of it, but I just want to clarify something. I recognize that corporations tend to take more than they give, especially to their employees, which is I think the greatest tragedy of all, is that a lot of the employees like the employees of Walmart, they don't get paid enough. There are some corporations that do pay their employees a living wage and so there's examples of corporations not being completely sociopathic and greedy. But anyway, you're going to hear me talk about how I think that corporations, that we can't demonize them anymore, that we have to apply the same embrace that we apply to whatever internal demons that we have,

the same kind of acceptance and loving attention that we apply to whatever dark fragment of hell is stuck in our psyche. We have to apply that to shit we don't like in the external world too, and I don't do that all the time. It's something I'm working on, so I just don't want to seem like a naive consumeristic shit shill when you hear me talk with Derek about corporations. Know that I am not a person who, by now if you've been listening to this podcast, you know I'm not a person who loves corporations. Outside of Monsanto, I hate all corporations. I think Monsanto is a good example of a wonderful company, a company that you can get behind and support, because they're working on the environment, they're actively working to transform archaic, boring vegetation into something that's more palatable to the modern human's tongue. But we all have work to do on ourselves. Human beings are corporations, if you think about it, you're the corporation, you're the incorporation of everything you've ever experienced mixed in with your understanding of those experiences,

mixed in with all your memories, mixed in with your DNA, mixed in with the temporary cyclone of meat that makes up your body. So that's a corporation, and just like a corporation, there's parts of you that probably aren't necessarily helping the world. And a lot of people who are much smarter than me say that the way to handle, the way to change, or the way to shift the darkness, to convert the darkness into something positive is not by hating the darkness, not by shaking your fist at it, not by labeling it as something malfunctioning in the universe, but by treating it the same way you would a crying child. Don't shake the baby, love the baby, be patient with the baby, and accept that the baby is as much a part of nature as anything else. And as horrific as it may seem, and as scary as it might be to accept, corporations are as much a part of nature as flowers are. And though they don't smell good and aren't something that adds beauty to the world, they're there. Crocodiles don't add a lot of beauty to the world either.

I'm sorry for those of you who think, I mean, I think there's a primal beauty to a crocodile, but if one's climbing around your backyard, you don't want it there. But it's still part of nature. So that's a pre-apology for whatever I say about corporations coming up, though I don't clearly remember what it is. I do remember thinking that it's going to, it would upset some people because it would seem confusing. There are other ways you can support the Duncan Trestle Family Hour podcast. We have t-shirts, posters, stickers, and these are all located at the shop at DuncanTrestle.com. If you feel like buying a nice soft, sure design t-shirt with the Duncan Trestle Family Hour logo on it or art on it related to the Duncan Trestle Family Hour podcast, go check out our shirts. Buy a shirt, won't you? Support the podcast. And if you really want to go nuts, there's a donate button that you can click and you could send some dollars our way. Another way you can support the podcast is simply by going to our forum, joining the conversation there, and you're already supporting the podcast just by listening to it, which I deeply appreciate.

Today's guest on the Duncan Trestle Family Hour podcast is one of my longest friends in LA. We started doing stand up together way, way back in the murky primordial past. This is before there was tar in the tar pits. He's a great friend of mine and he's one of my favorite types of friends because he feels more like family than a friend, which I guess is what a real friend is, family. And what I mean by that is that he's a sort of person where I might not talk to him for a few months, but whenever we reunite, it's like we start off from exactly where we were. There's no weird sense of being disconnected from each other. And I think that's true friendship. He's a hilarious person, a brilliant comedy writer. He's got one of the most unique comedy minds out there and it's the mind that produced drunk history. If you haven't seen that, stop listening to the podcast and go to YouTube and Google search drunk history and you'll have many, many hours of joy ahead of you because you're going to want to watch them again and again and again. Basically the premise is that he gets people drunk and they talk about their understanding of history and then he reenacts it with famous people. I was lucky enough to be in the Tesla episode with John C. Riley and Crispin Glover.

He also has a show, the show got picked up, so it's been on Comedy Central for a season, which is amazing and hopefully there'll be another season. Now everyone, please open your hearts to my friend coming back to the Dunkin' Trussell family hour after a brief hiatus, the great Derek Waters. Hello friends, it's me, Dunkin' Trussell. You're listening to the Dunkin' Trussell family hour podcast. I have just destroyed 16 minutes of a fantastic conversation I was just having with Derek Waters, creator of drunk history, comedian and one of my very close friends who's kind enough to not punch me in the face for evaporating this great chat we were having. It was a great chat, but I guarantee you we're going to have another great chat. See, that's a friend. A lot of people wouldn't do that. They just walk out. You're really a fan of people that are just like, you don't want to fuck this. No, that's not true. People would just do it, but anyway, I'm very sorry.

Don't be. Derek, holy shit, I don't feel like we got to repeat crap that we already said. No you don't. Creator of drunk history, Comedy Central series, everyone loves it. I constantly see tweets about it. Tweet after tweet after tweet. So you're following me. I think I stopped following you. Because I tweeted about drunk history. You tweeted too much about drunk history.

Launched drunk history Duncan. I love that you have managed to get your own show and I love that something that started in your head and started as just shooting stuff for the internet is now like an atomic bomb blasted around the entire planet. This is something I'm really interested in man, is this spark of inspiration and how the spark of inspiration, if you're smart enough to hear it and then follow through with it, there is the potential to create a kind of subjective wildfire through the neurology of all human beings on the planet. Because drunk history, it's a global thing by now. It's everywhere. How many millions of people have seen it? I don't know. How many millions, by now statistically. I don't know. The number of people.

Or the internet. Yeah, all together. I don't know. The statistics are that by now, so many people have seen drunk history that there is a 95% chance that someone got strangled in front of drunk history. Drunk history is probably the left. I have thought about that. Like I'm like, I wonder who's dead that like the show. Is that fucked up? Like I'm like, you know.

People in their hospital rooms, people on their laptops watching it as they like drift, drift into infinity because they're trapped in some cave in and they decided the last thing they wanted to watch was an episode of drunk history. It's just nuts. Yeah, like something that I didn't even want. I did not want the internet. It was in 2007 when internet comedy, I thought was judged only by hits over comedy. And that's why I made that show at UCB called LOL where it was like instead of seeing the word LOL, why don't you show your ideas, your shorts and see if people are actually laughing or being nice. Because now it's all like what what LOL was is what now what fave and like is like on pictures. Right, right. A lot of it's like, LOL circularly call me back.

You owe me a phone call like, right. See, I'm watching your stuff. You didn't even look at the picture. You saw like my name and click like, but what I'm getting at is that it was just an idea like, oh, this could be funny. Like, yeah, that I didn't think obviously a TV show. And I never wanted to do a TV show because I'm a comedy nerd and snob that I'm like, it's a five minute idea. I do not want it to get old and it's the worst type of comedy or like, why did you go that far? Yeah, you should have just walked away.

And so I'm so lucky to be making TV show and I'm lucky that I got to make it the way like I wanted to make it. But that is a crazy thing, man, to think about. And look, you're using the term luck. I do. I do think so. I think I'm, I know I'm extremely lucky. I think there's a singing like there were a couple of things. I'm 34 and I moved here when I was 20.

I left when I was 19. I lived in Toronto. I was thinking right before I left to try to be Chris Farley. What wish, what would I wish like I'd heard and like, there was one thing that I like, luckily I had a good upbringing. Like I was always raised to be a good person and have manners and I really still believe that that is key. But the other thing is perseverance of like, don't fucking stop. There's so many times where like, shit just gets thrown at you that you're just like, what am I even doing? Like, if you want to fucking do something, you do it, you know?

And I just think, and I'm also stubborn as hell. Like, I'm not doing something unless I like it. So now I'd like our old conversation. This makes me know. This is so much better. The whole conversation or just whining. I was whining. This, this what you're talking about then.

So it's not really luck. It's, it's you're talking about one manners or, you know, empathizing with other people, which is very important. I think that just is heart of like, whatever you want to make, whatever you want to do. Like, if you actually like, are caring about other people and not being like, this is my demo reel. This is my one man show about how like, my dad was nuts. Or, I don't know, making shit that's not just all about yourself and making shit that like, oh, I've never seen that before. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not even talking about drunk history.

I'm just saying like the general idea of like anything to make is like, what's the point of it? Well, the, the point, what is the point? Is it, is the, does the point devastated thing? Like it's the, the moment you start, you know, I'm sure when you first recorded a drunk history, you know, it was just for fun. Right. Yeah, that's all it was. It was in just for the LOL show. And I just showed it and did not want to put it on the internet.

We had just, I had just done a pilot with Bob Odenkirk named drop, Simon Helberg, really big bang theory named drop. Yep. And we put that pilot on the internet and there were so many like racial, like there were just really mean comments. And I was like, why would, why would I do that? The only reason I did it was because it was a realization of that time where I was like, fuck the internet blah, blah, blah. So I sent it to the daily show, sent it to Conan, sent it to Sarnit live and hopes like maybe it could be like a monthly schedule, one of those shows. Yeah. Nothing.

And then put on the internet and front page of YouTube. Remember when that was important? Yes. Yes. Front page of YouTube. I remember that. Yeah, man. Front page of YouTube.

Now it's the front page of Reddit. Is that right? Yeah. Is that the new YouTube? Oh yeah. Getting on the front page of Reddit is a huge deal just because it ups the viewership. But so that's an interesting thing, man. I just, what I'm really curious about right now or I've been thinking a lot about is the space between when a thought or an idea comes into the mind and wherever it was before it comes into the mind.

That's sort of. It's always there. I truly believe that. Always in your mind. I do believe that. I don't know. Are you just thinking creatively or anything? Well, I'm thinking like.

An idea to do something. Let's take drunk history. At some point you, I don't know. What is the, do you remember the first time the idea came into your head? Yeah. I was with Jake Johnson. He was really, really drunk. We were both really, really drunk talking about music.

And he was really passionate telling me a story how Otis Redding knew he was going to die when he got on a plane. It all goes back to Otis Redding, who's always been my favorite, which serves as these weird other things about Otis Redding in my life. But he was so passionate about this story that Otis Redding knew he was going to die. He looked at his wife and he was like, take care of yourself, baby. And she was like, how will Otis you take care of yourself? And he was like, no, baby, I'm serious. And Jake was so sincere. And, you know, when you're drunk, but that sober part of your brain's like the same true.

And I was just like nodding and smiling. But then I just, I kept picturing like Otis Redding, like looking at me being like, that didn't fucking happen. Don't listen to this. So that was the idea. And then I was like, I mean, that'd be cool to reenact that. But if people get drunk and talk about music all the time, what's something people don't get drunk and talk about? I thought about history. And I just kept picturing.

I still can see it. It was this black and white image I had in my head where like an actor came in as John Wokes Booth to kill Lincoln. And he was like really hesitant of saying, like, I'm going to kill you, motherfucker. Like, or whatever. Like being almost, this is really artsy fartsy. Like I always picture it as Jopeto and Pinocchio of like, the Pinocchio has to do whatever Jopeto like says. So I know that probably makes drunk history not funny anymore. Well, no, I mean, I don't, I don't think so, man.

I think, but I think that that, so you look at like this thing. There's a moment in time you identify this moment in time as like something it inspires you get inspiration. You realize this is really funny. And then you start exploring that idea now. So it's like now this thing is like in its embryonic phase inside of you. And you're given these visions when that stuff starts happening. I know exactly what you mean. You get these quick flash bulb images of a thing.

I don't think everyone does though, Duncan. And that's why I think about the creative mind where I'm like, those people, they're like, how do you come up with it? Like, well, you can too. Like, but I don't know if every brain has that part. Like, I know my mom and dad don't. I know a lot of people back home don't. Like what, what kind of brains have those things? Or like, all of a sudden you think of something and you're like, whoa.

Right. It triggers. What is that? That is the big question. And I think it, I think every brain can do it, but it starts with you have to have the inspiration. Well, the inspiration and also simultaneously you have to have the desire to allow the, the inspiration is a seed. And your imagination would be the soil. And then the thing that you create is the flower that grows out of it.

So you have to, first of all, identify the difference between good seeds and bad seeds. And then you have to have the, you have to have the patience to let the thing germinate inside of you and go into that kind of open state. Right. You know, when you're thinking, it's a weird, for me, I just sort of go into an open state and wait and then hope. And then if I'm lucky, bam, there'll be a thing like a, like a flash. And then, okay, that's probably something worth exploring. And then, and that's where you have to have the guts to explore the idea further because a lot of the times those ideas, they don't seem good to anyone else. They're not going to seem good.

Right. And you, and you're the only person that's going to know. So you have to try them. Yes. You can't like throw, because when people are like, do you think this is funny? And they say like, no, like, do you think that that really makes them think it's not good? Right. They just want to get it out.

Yeah. And it's like, or if you say like, it happens all the time, like, excuse me being in a restaurant, like, what's your favorite thing here at the restaurant? Oh, the roast beef sandwich. Okay. I'll just get the turkey club. Like, I don't know if that makes sense. We should go back to comparing stand up to fucking. We will.

We'll get there. This is so much more interesting because I just like following, following the track of this thing because here you have an idea. You're hanging out, drunk, fun night, then the idea flash bulbs into your mind. You see it in a more vivid way. And then from there, what happened? Yeah. And I do believe in inspiration that all comes like in a thing is like, then I was like, oh, Jake, do you want to get drunk and tell that story again? Fuck no.

I don't want to do that. So then I came in and like, okay, what else can I do? And I knew Marquette Gliardi is like the smartest man. That's a dog. That's my dog. That's a dog. We're back. My dog was returned to me.

That was the sound of the barking. Great dog. So what I'm trying to get at here is the what happens when you fully allow a thing to grow through you. And that's what I'm interested in talking about with drunk histories because now you've got the flash bulb idea. You talk to Jake. He doesn't want to do it. You talk to, what's his name? Mark.

Mark. Mark. You talk to Mark. And then I got to call Jeremy to shoot it. And that's the, that was the shooter director. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right.

Bring your camera over. I have this idea. We're going to shoot Mark talking about Alexander Hamilton. And this is just still just for, you just, this seems like a fun idea. Right. And just the idea of whatever he says we're going to reenact. Right. And then that's the first drunk history.

Yeah. And so then over the course of how many of you shot on the internet? Uh, eight, six. Six. Seven? Because there was a 2.5. I think seven. That was the Ben Franklin.

There's two Ben Franklin's. Oh, I see. Yeah. So you shot seven of them and then were you pitching it around or did someone approach you about it to, to do the show? Oh, on TV. Oh, are you okay? Excuse me. Yeah.

It's okay. Quick burp. Uh, it was a, man, what the fuck happened? I think Jeremy and I talked about doing like a movie where I'm going across America learning like history of it. And I was just like, it's going to get too old. It's going to get old really fast. Right. I just started watching shows of trying to think of like just how the fuck can the show work.

And I just really wanted to broaden the world of history that make history just really great stories that it wouldn't have to just be Thomas Jefferson stories. You know, that it can be stories about Patty Hearst and just good stories. Right. And then like, well, what's the through line? And then there's a really great show. I'll always give credit to those. A huge inspiration. One is Stephen Fry in America where he's going across the country.

But he, he kind of gets away with it because he's British, you know, and every dumb person loves to help someone out that they feel like they're really, really helping out. Yeah. Um, and, uh, yeah. So there was that show. And, uh, so there's this guy, Louis Thoreau that you should really love him. He's the best. Amazing. He has these crazy, crazy documentaries where he went and hung out with the Phelps family.

He went to Israel, hung out with the, um, the, the Jews there that are the expand, I don't know what you call them, the expansion. They're, they're expanding their territory. Yeah. And it's really intense because he's one of those, he kind of reminds me of a Verner Herzog a little bit where he mildly or majorly editorializes in this super subtle way. Like he does have an opinion about what's happening. But he doesn't go in in a Michael Moore mentality. He goes in very even keel and goes, you know, like with, um, the church, the Westboro church, like God hates fags, like asking like, so why, why do you have this sign? You know, like just very curious and accusatory.

Um, anyway, so there were shows that like inspired, inspired of like, um, things like we wanted to do and then just pitch this idea. And originally the idea was, uh, I said, I was, you know, I said at 30 years old, I've realized I don't know anything about my country. So I bought a short bus. I'm driving across the country to find out what happened. Cool. That was how we did the pilot. And then they were like, um, what's broad in the world that it's like just a history show and not a personal journey, which was a really smart move. Yeah.

I wasn't that. Um, so yeah, that's sort of how it started. God, it sounds so weird talking about. Why? I don't know. It's just weird. It is weird. And, and, but I think it's very inspirational for people because, um, it's very inspirational for me because it matches my understanding of the way the best things come to fruition, which is usually they don't start for any reason.

It's just suddenly a thing has come into your mind and you want to follow it through. But I do believe in that 16 minutes that we lost, there was something that I will recap is it's about when we talk about meeting people that know who they are. Yes. And it's the same exact thing of stuff like this. If it knows what it is, if a person knows who they are, like, you get it. You're like, whether I like think it's the funniest thing or no one's like, Oh, I get it. Like, just committing to like, this is exact. I know exactly what I'm doing when you work with someone and you would like are comparing that to someone's like, I don't know, you know, just go out there and have fun.

Like, okay, that's not going to work out. Right. If someone's like, this is exactly like my idea, do what you want with it. But this is the tone, you know, I think it's just, and I humbly think that's why it succeeded because it's stuck to the tone of like, this is exactly what it is. Yeah. So you had the guts to, and also by getting something on TV quite often, they'll try to destroy the tone. They won't do it intentionally. It almost was party time history hosted by Carson Daly.

Are you kidding? No, but it would have been great. Well, there was talk that we're going to have to change the name. Party time history. That's what I was like, well, it's not going to be party time history. That's part of the thing, you know, when it grows through the, what you're talking about is when you're creating anything that you publish, what you are doing is you're creating an energy form. Well, you have the initial inspiration, which is this energetic form, what you call the tone.

Then you're encapsulating it into whatever the form of the thing is you want it to be. A poem, a work of art, a canvas that you paint, a TV show, you're capturing that energy inside of the pill. It's almost like a pill. That's what the thing is. And then you're sort of replicating it and reproducing it when you get into TV. And, but ultimately the final destination of all this stuff is within the minds of human beings. That's where it, that's where it ends up. That's where it goes to live or to die.

So it's a really curious thing to me, which is that what has happened when you have inspiration is that there's this initial energetic feeling that grows into you. Where it comes from, who the fuck knows? Maybe it's a combination of things, who knows? But then that energy gets transmitted into millions and millions of minds in the ultimate form. And that is magic. That is wild magic. It is wild magic. And I'm going to go off for one second just because I compare what you just said to, I always talk about music when people are like,

Yeah, well, they ripped that off of that and that was ripped off to that. This goes back to the same thing is what blues music was, was black eyes that had gotten the shit beat out of them and learned how to play guitar and didn't sing to rhyme. They sang because they had something inside of them that they wanted to give. And when people compare things to be like, Oh, that was that like, Oh, it's compared to something because it came from someone's heart. Like, yeah, that's why it was good. Yeah, because it wasn't trying to become a success. It wasn't trying to become anything except for what it is, except for what it was, you know, of like, if you have an idea, people always say this of like, Oh, the good ones will always be like, I got to figure that out. I got to figure that out.

Like, the good idea, the things that you struggle with, it's like, it's okay, not every idea you're going to have is going to be great. But I guarantee you every idea that doesn't work will somehow work into the idea that does that I really do. And what the fuck do I know? I just at 34 just like, I've been very lucky, but I do believe like in the create the trust in the creative brain of like, don't fucking do something that you here's a really great quote. My grandfather, who always be my hero, said a great line right before he died. I was asking him like, not like the classically, what's the key to happiness? Just what's something good to remember, grandfather? And he said, you'll always know when you're doing something right, you always know when you're doing something wrong.

Wow. It's that simple. And it's like our trust of like, our instinct, every human being, no matter who you are, where you were raised, who you are right now, you have an instinct of if you're doing something right. Or you're doing something right. Or you're doing something wrong. I can't believe that happened. Well, did you see any signs that it wasn't right? We're always going to do something that we know isn't right.

But we should try to avoid that. What do you think that that rightness is? Do you think rightness is instinct? I think we'll never know exactly like that. What's right to us might be wrong for someone. But if you have a good heart and instinct, like, well, this is right because I'm actually going to do something good. Like it's helping that person and it's helping me. And I don't know.

I think your instinct says it all. We know. We just like, we know. And if it doesn't work out, then we just failed at doing something we believed in. That knowingness. What is that? What is the knowingness? What is that part that knows when you're doing something good?

I don't know. Because is it the good? Is it like there's like a, what if there's a, sometimes I wonder if there's, if what we are is just good. I think we are. And then we sort of, when we say we don't do something, we say we're not doing right. And what that really means is we're not being ourselves in the sense that we're, we, we've sort of decided to be some other thing than we are. And then that sense of not rightness is a feeling of not being in tune with what you actually essentially are. Yeah.

Or doing something not for what the chore is, but for what the chore may bring. It's like, just do the chore. What is that from? I just said it. What the chore may bring. So yeah. It's not about what the chore may bring. It's about what the chore is.

You know what I mean? Yes. For example, washing dishes. What is a, there's two experiences you can have with washing dishes. I haven't done that in a while. You got to try. It's fun. That's what you, it's a meditative experience.

It's really, when you're washing dishes and you consider what you're doing, it seems like a mundane activity, but it's really quite amazing. Which is that you've got water pouring in from some reservoir that everyone in your city is connected to. And then it's, you can heat it. It used to be that you would have to like, you know, put the shit on a fire. It was very annoying. So you get this warm water running over your hands and you are transforming dirt or plates, these filthy plates covered in gravy or whatever you ate into their original form. So it's a very metaphysical task because it's a kind of analogy for enlightenment or for meditation. So when you're washing dishes, you're connecting to this essential source, which is water or exists.

It's a reservoir everyone can dive into. And then you're using that to cleanse plates. So you can eat. So you can eat. And it's a very meditative experience. Well, that's one version of it. The other version of it is you just want to get it fucking done with and it sucks because you want clean plates and you want to move on to the next thing. Or you were told to.

Yes. And that's what you're saying there, which is when you're looking at the fruits of your action versus just the action itself. When you're getting immersed in the action itself, it's always this beautiful moment. It's like going to a Jimmy Buffett concert in hopes that you're going to get laid. It's like you should just be going to a Buffett concert. It's true, man. Just embrace your parrot head. Can I ask you something, man?

Yeah. Do people get laid at Jimmy Buffett concerts a lot? Do you think? Yeah, but they aren't awake. I think a lot of people get laid, but it's only one out of the two getting laid. I don't know. I have a really weird memory. I never went to a show, but I remember a friend of mine had a yuppie upbringing and his parents were watching a Jimmy Buffett live.

And I was so disturbed by it. I guess it's that song. Fancy left. Fancy right. And there's some orchestrated thing like fans do when that song plays. Yeah. And I was really, man, I was probably like eight or whatever. I was young and I was so disturbed by how uncomfortable I was.

And then I dated a girl when I was like 20 and she brought up Jimmy Buffett. I was like, do you like Jimmy Buffett? She's like, I mean, I'm not a parrot head, but I like him. I was like, what the fuck is a parrot head? What's your take on Jimmy Buffett? What do you think he represents? Corporation. I think he represents, you know, some of, I will humbly say that like some of his songs, I won't turn off of them by myself because I do think he has a good voice.

Yeah. But he's congregated a class of assholes and has taken their money and they are too stupid to ever realize it. So he's kind of like the grateful dead for alcoholics. Yeah, I was gonna, yeah, I think. It's this sense of like, I'm only asking because on Sirius Radio, which I have in my car, there's a station called Margaritaville. Amazing. And it's all Jimmy Buffett shit. I would never leave my car.

I will listen to that as an exploration into exactly what you're talking about because I like to listen to the lyrics and that quality of manipulation that's in the lyrics. That's what I'm really interested in is it is this, it's like, he really is pinpointing. It's like a market of recently divorced drunks who like to go to the beach. That seems to be his thing. It's sort of like, well, it's five o'clock somewhere. I believe that's one of his songs. It's just nostalgic booze music. But it's the classic like a songwriter that pitches that song to him like, this will be a huge song at TGIF for every place in middle America.

And they're right. So I don't blame him. I'm just, I'm not going to join that troop of people that genuinely are entertained by him. And if you don't fuck it, man, they're happy. That's what they like. But I do think that's what's so cool about different individuals taste that I won't ever be able to relate to them. And I think maybe that's why we both gravitate towards like, man, can you imagine just like this helping you sleep at night? Jimmy Buffett.

Or just like going to like shows, like people like, look, I've been to close to 20 Pearl Jam shows. I get teased about it all the time. I love them. But really quick about, and I get teased about it, but there's a genuine love I have. I like the Grateful Dad. I take brutal, brutal beatings for that on a daily basis. Yeah. But there aren't any black lights in here and you don't have like a dead head, like a phone case.

You know what I mean? There's people that like to tell you it to bring it up. Like, I'm into the dead. That's why I have that dead sticker on my car. That's why I drive a Volkswagen bus, you know? And then there's people that just, no, I actually like the music, you know? I'm not going to wear a Pearl Jam hat. Well, I think you just think it's funny how like when you gravitate towards something that amassed,

is it already amassed enough attention that it's considered to be a thing? You're judged on it no matter what it is. But you're talking about like the Grateful Dad, Jimmy Buffett, Pearl Jam. They're all attention magnets. I agree. And I do, sorry. It goes back to what I do think in the same way of an idea that instinctually, us as human beings, one of the biggest reasons why I think anything becomes successful is because individuals

that hear it or see it feel responsible that they discovered it. And once that is gone, that there's no discovery in something, it's like, that's old. Right. Oh, you're just finding out about that? Right, right, right. God, I have it. It's like bootleg tapes of Grateful Dad. Like that is probably really exciting.

Maybe not now, but like earlier, like, dude, I got this bootleg. So you almost feel like you're responsible for giving it to someone else. You know what I mean? Yeah, you want to be in the early phases of the information distribution for some reason. The late phases of the information distribution or the atrophy phases. And those are the phases where we start saying they've sold out or they've corporatized. Oh, they're good? Yeah.

Is that what you mean? Yeah. They just like did good? Yeah. So things of like putting, you know, a good band and then all of a sudden they're like doing, you know, commercials for Walmart. There's that, that I'll never stand by. The commercials.

Just like, oh, they actually did sell out if they do shit for that. But yeah, but that again, no, that I like this idea of selling out, you know, I was just having a conversation with somebody the other night who his job is to go to bars and to drink. I won't say what, but he has a specific type of drink. Yeah. And just to make sure that that drinks on the scene so that people are, he's like a handsome guy.

It's disgusting. So like it's so he like to make sure that people will know this is not not disgusting or not. This is a very, very prevalent thing. So when you go to a bar, especially like a hip spot, guaranteed some percentage of the people there are being paid to be there to order certain types of drinks. So the corporation has, it's an insidious way that the corporation makes sure that it can advertise while people are out drinking.

If you watch the gingham size new video after gingham style, it's a series of commercials. It's a series of commercials now here, not to call you out, but think of it. Think of drunk history. Yeah. Is that selling out? It's sandwiched between commercials. So it's where, where is it selling out? Is it selling out when you put the commercial into the content itself or is it selling out

when the content is bait for attention so that in the residual moments following and leading up to the actual content, someone is watching a car commercial? Why is it selling out? It's why is it, why is it considered bad to have a relationship with corporations that are helping to fund your art when the history of art is having a patron? There is throughout all of history, if you wanted to do art, you had to have a rich person give you money to pay for the art. So why is it selling out?

I agree with you that that would be what I would like. But unfortunately, the little that I know is that it's not corporations that want to help your story. It's corporations that have figured out who likes your story and they can manipulate to buy a product. To buy a product? They're not, they're not behind the show. They're not behind that.

They're behind who is. They're not even behind them. They're in front of them going, look over you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's, you know, there's everything's a business. I really think that if you realize that, no matter what you do, what you're like, oh, why do they, everything, everything is a business. And accepting that is just going like, oh, I see the business aspect of this, and I'm

not going to go that way. Well, it's the question is why is the, why is it like I have one of the most brilliant musicians that I know that I, it's the most amazing music I've ever heard in my life. He won't let me play. He won't put his music out. Now that's, and he won't let me play it. Okay. That's different.

It's the ultimate version of not selling out, which is to be, but that's not giving, you know, like the, I rather sell out than not like give, like, yeah, I, I exactly. That means he's making his music selfishly just for himself in, in hopes he's, when he dies, all these people are going to, you know, go crazy at what they found in his one bedroom apartment. I think he fears the, what happens when enough attention goes on to you. And then there's pressure of like, you might fuck up. And that's scary.

Well, have you ever heard the term where there's attention, there's activity? No. No, that's a transcendental, that's a, that's a, that comes from transcendental meditation. Makes sense. And so, you know, for example, in your life, when you begin to worry over a thing, you're creating a kind of friction that will actually cause that thing to emerge more and more and more out of the background. Like for example, right now, everyone listening, I'm putting into your head the number 108.

Yeah. 108. They've just visualized that. 108. You're going to see this number in a weird place for the next day and be like, what the fuck? How did he do that? Well, I didn't really do anything.

I just activated a pattern recognition part of your brain that makes it so that when you connect to that thing, it seems, it seems magical or intense, but I've directed your attention towards this certain thing, which drew it from the background into the foreground. So where there is attention, there's activity. And in the, in for drunk history, think of the attention being given to it compared to say the attention being given to some, a bit of spray paint on the wall of the LA River that people walk by. Think of the attention given to it.

Also, there's another interesting aspect of attention, which is that it's called the observer effect, which is that the very, apparently the very action of observing a thing in the quantum state seems to shift its state. So when you have a massive amount of attention being placed on any one thing, it creates a type of energy within that thing, which is why so many corporations desperately want more than anything for their brand to be in front of as many people as possible. It's almost as though the current or the connection between the attention of the human being and an inorganic object brings that inorganic object to life.

Suddenly it begins to run through the subjective field of all these different human brains. It's as though humanity as a whole or the consciousness of humanity as a whole is an ecosystem and anytime a thing has enough energy or focus on it, then it begins to live within the ecosystem that is a totality of all the minds on the planet. And there's something about that that is frightening to people. They don't want, they don't want to bring things to life in the, in the, in the guy in mind. Yeah.

Cause they might be told what they feel isn't good or and it might not be. Look at the fucking Holocaust. I mean, you know, somebody felt like that was a right idea. When I give my grandfather's quote, you always know when you do them right, you're always doing something wrong. Someone probably felt right about that. Yeah. A lot of people apparently.

Yeah. So that's a spooky thing in the great echo chamber of minds that represents the end output of all media. There is this potential for, um, it's just spooky if you don't know, the energy is generally just for you, for drunk history, the energy is manifesting hopefully in just people laughing. Probably some people being like, this is disrespectful to this country. Yeah. God, that hasn't happened.

One really quick. We might have to cut it, but I do just feel like it's on the same pattern for, uh, uh, the ideas and how to communicate your ideas and something that I really learned of like accepting everything as a business and just also understanding like, Oh, someone's doing something I don't want. Hold on. Hold on. Let me just see what do they want and then give what you want.

My example is when the show was just about to come out, the marketing campaign was like my biggest, I like wanted to jump off a cliff. It was like Abraham Lincoln with a beer helmet and said four score and seven beers ago. George Washington with a keg crossing the Delaware. The worst is Albert Einstein writing, um, with a bottle of Jack Daniels in his hand, uh, E equals MC hammered. And then the Richard Nixon with the liquor. And I just asked, I said, just let me talk to who's saying this is good.

And when all I said was, um, I know you're just doing your job. I just don't want people thinking that I'm doing a bad job like I want. That's not the show. And they said, what we're doing, what our job is to make people go, what is that? Your job is to make a show that says what it is. And as soon as I understood that, I was like, you do whatever you want. Cause I was like, Oh, I know what they want. And they're doing that.

That grabs your attention. So it's just whether you like it or not, just understand what the purpose is. What I like is the idea of letting go of this stupid hate of certain things, this, uh, this, um, non thought out categorization of certain groups as being the enemy and certain groups as being okay, which is something I'm very guilty of throughout my life. Oh, the evil corporations. How dare they people working.

Look, if go, look at a fucking go turn on the nature channel and watch as a lion takes down a baby gazelle, watch the fucking brutality as you watch a pack of lions eating an animal that's not quite dead yet, ripping its stomach open, pulling its entrails out as the thing is bleeding desperately for its mother or something to save it from this awful into its life of running wild. Is that lion evil or those lions evil? Those lions are corporations. That's a corporation.

It's a group of like-minded beings seeking sustenance, uh, from, uh, other living beings, that's nature. Is that evil? When does it become evil? Does it become evil when, um, if you don't need to eat and you're trying to eat more, that's what you see. I come from a family and my dad is a tire company and they're a small middle class business that's been around since 1926, survived two depressions.

Yeah. And so the corporation I hate is Walmart of taking the small man. Those, that's the corporation where I think it's the lion that's already eaten and he's got enough, but look, look at Kudzu. And by the way, the lion would just keep eating if it could. The lion is not like, the lion is, it's based on like, I don't have access to enough shit to eat. Yeah.

I would eat more. Nature always consumes more and more and more. Or look at the fucking hurricane or the tornado. I mean, you could say, well, you know, the difference is humans and, uh, no right from wrong, but the thing is when we're talking about a corporation, we're not talking about an individual human or corp. The person I, you know, a person who like works for many times people working for corporations as individuals, the individual component, they will

think, man, I don't really feel good about some of this shit happening here. But they can't, they've, they're like, I have no power over this. And so the thing is a whole emerges as a, as its own being and beings in nature don't care about right or wrong or good and evil. They just consume. There's not a sense of what have I done here? You know, and, and so I think that it's important that it's more interesting to start letting go of that initial reaction.

Oh, the evil of Walmart, the evil of Halliburton. The, I used to do this instead, just look at it as like, okay, the earth has produced this, this comes from the earth in the same way flowers come from the earth, the earth grows roses, the earth grows, Halliburton's is the earth evil. Is space evil? Is the precursors to the earth evil? Where's the evil? When you start sifting through it, trying to find the evil, you will find

it's very difficult to find. It's almost, I feel like it's goes back to it's, you should be doing it for the chore, not for what the chore becomes, which is like, oh, we got to take, we got to start carrying beer now so we can take out those little small shops. Now, like I'm not going to rip on Walmart. I got a, we got a Best Buy right around the corner. Shit, man. I mean, rip by, you know, at this point, man, some people listen, this may have

just like pulled parts of their beard out and fury that I'm not like saying that these corporations are evil. I used to do this. Where'd you get the target tattoo? I love Tar-Gay. Tar-Gay. No, I just think that it's like, the big change would start happening if people dropped their attachment to categorizations and admitted or woke up to

the realization that they were all one thing. That's when the big change happens. The big change doesn't happen when we create the state of dualism, which causes this endless conflict that has been going on forever. If fighting doesn't do anything, accepting does. Right. And accepting, accepting what we really are. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. What we are and what someone else is. Yeah. I don't, I can't accept all the corporation. I don't know how I feel about it. I don't know how, I don't, I, like, I, you know, I've some, like, Raghu Marcus is a, this really brilliant spiritualist and meditator that I have on this podcast.

And I will inevitably start railing against this thing or that thing. And he's always like, no, right there, there, there's the root of war. There's the root of predation. There's the root of everything that you hate right now. You are it, even though you feel like you're justified. Okay. Anger does nothing. Yeah.

Anger does nothing or that sense of like differentiation. It's this thing of like, listen, we're earthlings. Some, somewhere in that conceptualization of things, somewhere in the conceptualization that we probably all emerge from the exact same thing. We all want the same thing. What, what do we want? I think find something that makes us sleep at night and to be loved. Love.

Yeah. There's, there's no one as mean as they are, the more they want to be loved, you know, and, uh, it's just easier and harder for different types of people, you know, but why and why, because of how they were raised or anything that was in their head of like, Oh, I, I can't love because I had my heart broke or blah, blah, blah, but in the end of the day, we all want that same thing. It's just that we don't know how to get there. We have 12 minutes left.

I want to talk about before one before. Yeah. Well, you said, let's see. It's, we have, uh, 10 minutes. Okay. I wanted to go back to comparing your comparison to having sex with, um, standup. But what, did you have something? Yeah.

I wanted to ask, I wanted to ask you this. What, I just want to get deeper into this idea of the obstruction that people have when it comes to accepting love, you know, it's easier to give love than it is to accept love. I'm going to go in the comparison of your friend who's scared of putting that tape out of people hearing it. It's the same exact thing of, yeah, who doesn't want to be loved, but it's accepting love and then loving that no matter what that person is, I'm going to

accept them. Um, and I think it's just the being scared to allow someone in, but then it's a different thing of like accepting love that, um, accepting love, I think is a lot easier than giving love for me. Man, for me, I, you know, like, well, think of like when people compliment you. Thank you. You say thank you. I thought it was a compliment.

And you want to, I'm just saying thank you that people compliment me. You know, though, like a lot of times you might compliment someone and they're like, Oh, no, it's not. No, what? No, they immediately put up a block. Well, it's that great, great quote. Sorry, I need a power bar every once in a while is not to take anything personally. You know, it's that when someone says you're fat, that doesn't mean you're fat.

It means they're dealing with something that they're being negative to you. But, and when someone says you're really good, that doesn't mean you're good. Like, yeah, how you feel is what matters and that's hard. Man, I just recently had an experience with this incredibly potent psychedelic called dimethyl tryptamine for the cops listening. It's totally a joke. I don't really do this stuff. It's a story.

It's an allegory, but the, um, the, uh, experience was all of these. Threads, millions of them. I don't know. Millions of them came out of nothing, attached themselves to my body and started pumping love into me or pumping this kind of healing energies. Love was love. And right away I realized like, Oh, I, I'm blocking this all the time. I don't want it.

Like I'm trying to hold this back for some reason. I don't want this level of embrace. So, uh, that made me realize, Oh, right. I get it. It's like the evil is really just not accepting the love. It's the thing that makes you push love away, but let it be clear. In my opinion, there is evil. There is evil.

It's not that, Oh, if I just accept this, it doesn't mean it's evil. No, there is evil. I truly will always believe in good and evil. Well, evil is what makes you realize that if you're good or not, cause evil will always tempt you. I do believe that you believe that there's a, uh, like, uh, yeah, sort of a hundred percent negative gravity. Yes.

And I don't, I don't look at it in life. I look at life very positively, but I do know that there's evil. There just is, there's people, there's things and also in ourselves that we could choose to do evil or we could choose to do good. There's this evil is an organic quality. It's, it doesn't exist in anything except organic and humans. It's, it's only exists in humans, right? Evil.

Yeah. There's like not evil owls or there's no evil mice. Um, sure. I mean, no, I, I mean, unless the owl, what I mean is like, if humans get wiped out, if like, we all die of a plague tomorrow, where will evil be in the world? Jeez, you've prepared this one. Um, I guess it won't matter because no one could make a podcast back with there are no people.

So at that point, so evil is a thing that exists in humans then. It's, it's, it's not a primary force. I think it's a mentality actually that I don't know an owl or a mouse's mentality, but, um, I do think it's something in the brain of like a choice. Um, and I do believe that there's positive and negative energy. Oh, man, energy is really what I'm not disagreeing with you. You go into a guy's house, you know, a lot of good friends we have, you go into their place and it's almost like a dating a girl.

Like you're like, this is how you take care of yourself, right? It smells like shit. It's more, it's just negative. Like I'm not someone who carries an EMF meter with me. But you know, when you're going somewhere and you're like, Oh, Oh, I feel good here, or this person feels good. I don't know where I'm going, but I just know that like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

It gets really tricky, man. It's, it's, but it's the best thing is life is like breaking bad. No one fucking knows what's going to happen. I know it's going to happen. I know the way breaking bad ends. You want to hear it? No, I don't. I do know the way it is.

I'm sure they shared the script with me. I know exactly the way it is. And you're not going to tell me. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you your last podcast. I'm going to tell you right now. Fuck you. And we're back. So crazy.

I swear that was going to happen. I told you. Oh my God, that's crazy. I mean, it's not crazy. I mean, isn't that wild? Knew it. Totally. Well, I know.

Sorry. I love like I was ruined. People go to like breaking. People go to like breaking bad. Like you want to come over to this breaking bad party like, no. Yeah, there's going to be some douche. Knew it. Oh, yeah.

Oh, you guys remember I told you that was going to happen? Yeah, Walt's evil now. Shut the fuck up. Derek, I don't. What did I not tell you? Stop. Whatever you're saying, if that's true, don't say anything else. A lot of people haven't seen the whole thing like me.

So I'm still on season two. I don't know what the fuck's happening on that show. Who was it? Someone tweeted like what's going to happen is that he goes into witness protection and start. It's the beginning of Malcolm. Yeah, I've heard that. Who did that?

But the spoiler for all of you, if you don't hear breaking bad spoiler, stop it for a second. But Walt is a robot. I don't even know if he's still live in the series. I haven't seen any of it. What? I get aggressive if you have missing the wire. No, we're about.

I'm about to start watching. Oh, you did the weir. That's very good. It's my sweet baby. We're about to start the wire. Um, Derek, you are not evil and I didn't think that I just think that everyone has a potential to do either. Well, I think that there's a usefulness to that kind of thing.

I know evil is maybe the wrong word. There's like an idea in your head that you're like, Oh, here's something I'm going to do. Do you really always go like, No, who is this good boy? Me or the bosom doing full? You're just like, Well, I got this. I mean, I'm going to go do this. Like, you know, I didn't want to fucking do your podcast, but I knew that you

were really depressed and texted me that suicide note and I'm like, I should. You have to do it or I'll kill myself. I know you got to go, but I just, I have to say this. I just think it's a fascinating thing that you can explore in your mind. Evil, because you have to look at it like, okay, let's take the big bang and then follow it all the way through to the moment that human beings grow from the earth at what point does that energy transform from being just raw energy into a metaphysical force at what point does the, is it like curdled milk?

Is when milk goes bad, is that what evil is? It's a curious thing to try to look to really specifically try to understand what you think evil is, because it may very well be that it doesn't exist. Any, it's just that you are blowing air into a balloon that isn't there at all. It may just be that there's, you never talk to someone that you just know is evil. I've talked to people who are depressed and I've talked to people who are sad, but I, God damn it, have yet to meet anybody who's evil. Really?

I've heard they exist. I'd love to have a conversation with a truly evil person, but it always feels like down, down, down, down, way down deep down in that thing. There's a sparkling. It's mentality. I will say that that I should not say that I like there are people that are evil. There are though people that I'm like, I see what they're doing and I don't

want any part of it. Does that mean I'm right? No, that means I'm going like I'm not on that team. I'm on this team. I might be like, I'm good. They're evil. I guess it's, it's a hard word and I don't want to be around a serial killer. I have no interest in being anywhere.

Who's to say they're evil? Well, that's, that they really will. No, I know you're going to say like, no, well, who's to say is killing someone that maybe wanted to die? No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying underneath it all, underneath all the bad decisions. There's inevitably inevitable. You go to, if you give me the most evil person in the world and if I have a

thing that can turn them into a baby, it ain't evil anymore. Well, no, every baby, Hitler guaranteed the cutest shit. I guarantee baby Hitler was super cute. You'd want to tickle the poor, sweet little thing. Give it if it was crying, you want to feed it. Yes, I always think of that. And I think of when I get frustrated with someone or I'm like, uh, whatever. I have a mentality where I'm like, oh, man, fuck them.

I'm like, there's a mom and dad that really was excited when they were born. Yeah. And, and, and would be very sad if something happened to them. See, it really ruins it because if we can exist in a place with black and whites, it's much more fun because then we can justify our internal aggression or external black and white. It's all human beings that all have a heartbeat and have, you know, we're all, we all come from the same source.

There's no one that wasn't born out of a vagina. There were, you know, no, I'm serious. There's no one, you can talk to millions of people. I guarantee you're not going to talk to one human being that didn't come out of a vagina, possibly a C-section, but I was, I was not a C-section baby, but I was the reason my mom got her tubes tied. It's the only way into this dimension, friend. And I'll tell you, um, the most important, what are the most important

commandments in the New Testament? Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. That's a mind fuck because there's nothing in there that says, unless they're evil, we got to move. If they are love your neighbor as yourself, Asterix, unless they're evil, unless you're evil and then you go do, if you're evil, you love them like you love your, your evil self.

It's a really curious commandment. It's a real co-on. If you think about that, because nowhere in there does it say, send drones to drop bombs on them. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbors yourself in Asterix, unless they are evil and then bomb them. Man, you, you want to compare fucking to stand up now? No.

Well, we don't have time. You got to go. Let's save it for the next podcast. Maybe I can dig it up. Maybe I'll bring one of my evil friends over, but he won't know that I've claimed him. No, I, I do want to say, cause I feel like I, um, said evil too much. No, I've, I think about evil too.

Sometimes I know. Here's the thing. What do I know anything more than you or anyone listening or anyone or fuck? No, every human being, I believe, whether you read a bunch of shitty books or a bunch of great books or don't read at all, that you have instinct, you know instinct and you can choose to listen to that or you can choose to ignore it and do something that is only out like to get you or like more money or something. That's like, that you can categorize that as like, there's like, maybe there

just should be a different word than evil, like poor choice. You know what I mean? There's some poor choices you can make, but there's some good choices that you can make, but that's also an opinion. Lost life is a very hard thing to talk about. Um, all I really think is like, is just like, what you believe in is what you should believe in. I just have to say that I'm very thankful to the non-evil force of the

universe that made us friends and they gave you a show. You are awesome and drunk history is, I love you too. And drunk history is so great, man. And the energy you're putting out there is really, really good. So it makes me happy. I, uh, I, yeah, all the energy things and stuff that I'm all about it. I'm all about it. And I do think that, um, or whatever, I'll tell you when we turn it off.

I could talk about this shit forever. Derek's got to go. He's got a meeting. Yeah. I have to go to Walmart. Follow it. I'm late for my one hour photo at Walmart. Uh, man, I got, yeah, I got to go too, guys.

I got a meeting with Target. So, uh, uh, this is the Dr. Trestle family, our podcast. We're sponsored by Monsanto. And if you want to, um, find Derek Waters, where can they find you? Uh, Viacom.org. No, um, basically it's Hulu plus or iTunes. It is, you know, iTunes is a corporation, but in HD, where else are you going to

see drunk history and the quality that it was made to look at? For only 1995, iTunes download. You're listening to drunk history. Download drunk history and, uh, go and follow Derek on Twitter. And, um, thank you very much, Derek. Thank you. God bless. God bless.

That was Derek Waters, everybody. Duncan Trestle family, our podcast is part of the Ferrell Audio Collective. Go check out other podcasts at ferrellaudio.com. Give us a nice rating on iTunes. And now here's a great song for the fall by Towns Van Zandt. This is called If I Needed You and it's from the album Rear View Mirror. I would come to you, I'd swim the seas for to ease your pain in the night forlorn. All the morning's born and the morning shines with the lights of love.

You will miss sunrise if you close your eyes and that would break my heart in two. Ladies with me now, since I showed her how to lay her lily hand in mine. She's a sight to see and a treasure for the poor to find. If I needed you, would you come to me? Would you come to me and ease my pain? If you needed me, I would come to you. I'd swim the seas for to ease your pain.