Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 121: My Sacrificial Clam With Neil Flynn

Episode Date: June 18, 2020

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I've been pounding energy drinks, and here I am. I'm ready to go, and no Donald Faison. Do you want to tell everyone why you're so late? I made a mistake and tried to download the new Apple whatever it is. Yeah, the software two hours before. How old is this computer? It's pretty old. It's a MacBook Pro, but it's an old computer.

It's an older model of the MacBook Pro. Right. So I am now 20 minutes late. Yeah, very late. We got Neil Flynn. He's like sitting in a holding room. Yeah, we put him in a holding. We put him all in a holding cell. Yeah, we put him in a holding. We put them all in a holding cell. Yeah, we put Neil in a holding cell and he's just sitting there.

He's probably going to walk out soon. I hope Neil doesn't walk out. First of all, how's everybody doing? We were just chatting. We had a great chat waiting for you. What were you chatting about? We were talking about just our lives and what's happening and how Joelle has a huge Twitter following I didn't know about. Yeah.

Did this just happen because of the podcast? No. Joelle, what's your handle? We should blow it up even more. Yeah. My handle is at Joelle Monique on the Twitters and the Instagrams. I was a writer before I came to you guys, and I do a lot of critiquing of like television shows and movies. I think my Watchmen reviews are probably what I'm most famous for.

Toronto international film festival just retweeted those yesterday, but yeah, come talk to me about nerdy and political things. It's good times. Well, you're, you're, you're a Watchmen fan.

Oh, fuck it. From the graphic novel era, the TV show really killed it. Did you not like the movie the movie was my introduction and i find that it has some things that are very intriguing and interesting about it but overall i don't think it holds up to like the quality that is the original graphic novel right the graphic novel has more and i love the tv show man i thought that was incredible and it's brilliant they won a peabody this morning. And so relevant to today.

When you see what's happening in the news and also cops with their face masks on, I can't help but think of Watchmen. Watchmen. I was like, wow. And I saw someone wrote an article that was like, Watchmen was just a few months too early or something like that. Yeah, they got it right. They predicted it. Listen, I would love to banter with you and tell you how much I smell because I forgot to put on

deodorant and I'm glad that we're on a Zoom call so you guys aren't offended, but we got Neil Flynn sitting in the other room. Alright, well then hold on one second. How about this? 5, 6, 7, 8! Some stories about a show we made about a bunch we made.

About a bunch of docs and nurses and a janitor who loved to hate. I said here's a story that we all should know. So gather round to hear our, gather round to hear our Scrubs Rewatch Show with Zach and Donald. You know, I don't think that you deserve to 5678 when you're this late. I did it already, so... I know, but I just want to submit to the Scrubs podcast rulebook that when you're this late, you don't get to 5678. You're punished. When did we get a rulebook?

You're punished. When did we get a rule book? You know, when I was a kid going to camp, I was so nerdy. And this was back in a day when they would let you do this. But on the school bus to camp, I would sit in the front seat. And as the bus pulled in for each stop, the bus driver would allow me to operate the mechanism that opened up the school bus door. And I thought I was the coolest mofo in the world as the door operator. Now, wait, this is my point, was that I got in trouble one day at camp, and the counselors told the bus driver that I had been bad,

and I was not allowed to operate the door that day. And I was crushed. I sat and pouted. And I just feel that that should be something like your punishment. You don't get to 5, 6, 7, 8 when you've been naughty. But I already 5, 6, 7, 8. I know. Well, I'm just trying to lay down the rules. Maybe Joelle can

start to make like a Bible of sorts of the rules of the show. Okay. How old were you when all of this happened? This was last year. No, I'm just kidding. No, I don't know. Day camp. How old were you when all of this happened this was last year and i'm just kidding no i don't know day camp how old you at day camp seven i don't know eight yeah shit well then yes i can understand i was five six seven eight no i'm just kidding all right let's bring in neil flynn dan push the button ladies and gentlemen give it up for for Neil Flynn! Hi, Neil Flynn. Hiya, fellas.

How's it going? It's going well. Excellent. There he is. There he is. Hi, Neil. This is Joel, and I think you met Dan briefly. Yes, I was teaching him about computers and things like that.

It's so good to see you, man. It is good to see you. You too. Donald's literally in a closet. Good man. I am literally in a closet. It started, Neil, because it was the best place for sound because it had all his clothes as a sound dampening thing. And then he realized that he could hide from his family in there. So he goes there sometimes, even when we're not recording the podcast to escape his his children this is the

this is the safest place in my house my kids don't find my clothes amusing or interesting enough to want to hang out in the closet so i i can't say i ever found my father's clothes amusing uh what are any are any of your kids big enough to wear your clothes now no i know thank good well yeah well yeah i have an 18 year old with us but uh he doesn't necessarily like the clothes i wear he's more into that supreme style and stuff like that me personally i you know i've dumbed down my gear a little bit i now i'm a golf shirt and shorts kind of guy and so what you see behind me is a bunch of golf shirts and then my shorts are over there that neil that was your uh probably first and last tour ever of

donald's clothes yeah time well spent yeah well you Well, you know, you asked. I know. But I do remember when my father's clothes became interesting to me and I wanted to wear all of his gear. And I would go into my dad's closet and take his shirts, which were oversized for me, which at the time was really cool. And he had like a bunch of designer things that I didn't, you know, he had like back in the day when Jabot was really popular or, you know, shirts like that. And I remember going in his closet. Sergio Tichini. Do you remember those?

No, I remember. No, I don't. I was like the sweatsuit sweatsuit. But I remember going in his closet and taking a really expensive shirt and wearing it outside and ripping it and being like, oh, shit, my dad's going to kill me. My dad's going to kill me. And having to tell him. And my dad didn't come home all the time, right? So my dad would leave in the morning and then come back maybe, you know, three, four days later.

You know, that's just how my dad rolls. And I remember having to wait for him to come home to tell him that I ripped one of his really expensive shirts. And he wasn't too beat up about it, but I remember the fear for three days I had to wait. And, you know, my mom being like, he's going to kick your ass. And me being like, oh, God. And then finally. How'd you rip the shirt? Like playing something stupid like we were playing in on a jungle gym and we would play tag where you couldn't touch the ground sure

and the jungle gym was huge was big enough for you to jump from you know the slide to you know uh uh one of the houses or wooden houses or something like that or a planter. You were a kid. Yeah, I was a kid wearing my dad's oversized expensive shirt. What made you think like, you know what? I'm going to rock to the jungle gym today is dad's expensive shirt. I just, you know, cause everybody was wearing Jabot. You know what I mean? And I thought, well, if he has a shirt,

I can go outside and I'll have this really crisp. And it was like, and it was fucked up too. The fucked up thing was it was like in plastic and it just come from the cleaners and stuff. So I kind of knew, I kind of knew like, dude. You took the plastic off though, right? I totally took the plastic off. And I, I made a mistake. It's one of those things, like I watch my kids now do this shit where it's

like, what were you thinking? Why would, why would you even do something like that? And their is i don't know and that was my answer too i don't know yep just impulsive impulsive my sister uh when i went clothes shopping i remember i was in like fourth grade and it was the height of i don't know if you remember guest jeans um yes like the height of guest jeans and for mostly for for women i think, at the time, I'm guessing, because my sister convinced me and my mom that I should wear guest jeans as well in fourth grade. And they were very, you could always tell they were guest jeans

because they had a triangle on the back jean pocket. So I thought, okay, you know, I'm not much of a style guy. I'm more of a sweatpants t-shirt kid but you know okay i'll try this out for a full day i was bullied by essentially the entire school children of all ages and grades came by to point and laugh at me and my guest jeans because they were considered like girl jeans or a girl a girl and expensive i think. Because they were considered like girl jeans or girl, a girl and expensive. I think they were,

they were like, I remember them being like 50 bucks or maybe a hundred bucks, whatever, whatever they were. I mean, it was like too expensive for a kid to have anyway, but I think probably fourth grader wears designer. I don't know.

I don't know, Neil. I regret it to this day. I, when Donald started talking about his, his story, I, I,

I felt the pain in my heart from literally the, it's like, it his name on The Simpsons going, it was literally that for a full day of school. So then I go home. I go home in tears, and I tell my mom, like, I hate these jeans. I'm so – everyone made fun of me all day long, and I fucking hate these jeans. And she was like, well, you know what we're going to do Zach Those jeans are perfectly fine We're going to take my little stitch cutter And we're going to cut the triangle off

The pocket Well she did that and they still had the Marking of where the triangle was Yeah Now you have some sort of knock off Guess jeans Yeah exactly Now it's worse yeah now you have some sort of knockoff guest jeans yeah exactly now it's worse exactly neil now i'm wearing black market guest jeans

well neil thank you for coming on we donald and i started doing this silly little thing and yeah uh both of us um when we post about it on on instagram and twitter i would say that like 60 of the comments people are right right or when are you having neil flynn on um so you are very beloved by beloved or beloved by either one by the people either one it's like divisive and divisive all of a sudden divisive became divisive because that's how barack pronounced it. Really? Yeah. Now people say divisive. I had never heard it pronounced that way before Obama said it that way.

Well, you know, if Obama said it, it had to be divisive. Yeah, now I'm switching. Now I'm switching. I'm switching. It's a few years late, but I'm changing over. I'm switching it up. Switching it up. If he starts wearing J-Bo shirts, that's what I'm going to do too. He probably does wear guest jeans, though.

He's a stylish guy. I don't know if they're still in style anymore. I don't know. Yeah, I'm going to do too. He probably does wear guest jeans, though. He's a stylish guy. I don't know if they're still in style anymore. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure how big guests are. I know somewhere somebody, the CEO of guests, is like, we're still a hit. We're still a hit. Stop talking about it.

Donald and I are going to get sent guest jeans in the mail because sometimes when we mention things on here, we get sent in the mail. I got a care package from Omission. I have to tell him. Neil, it's really lame in Hollywood to say, but I don't eat gluten, but I love beer. And so there's a really good pale ale called Omission,

which I mentioned because we were all talking about beer. They sent me not only a beautiful care package of Omission beer, but an Omission backpack. I've yet to receive any of this. When you come to school in that backpack, I'm going to make fun of you. You've got an omission backpack. You're going to be like, Zach, please tell me you're not wearing a gluten-free beer backpack. I don't really even know what that is, the gluten.

But I think you can get away with not eating gluten in Hollywood. Yeah, you can. It's just when I – this podcast is listened all over the world. Whenever I mention it, I cringe because I know people are like, oh, what a Hollywood tool, not eating gluten. You know, I thought that sparkling water was universal. You go places in like Texas and you'll be like, can I get some sparkling water? And they'll be like, we don't have that. You can say club soda maybe. I went someplace and they were like, we do have club

soda, yes. What's the difference between club soda and sparkling water? Does anybody know? Club soda is carbon and sparkling water is sodium. No? No, Neil knows. No, you're right. I have a cat. Okay. and of course they

listen when you say no yeah but he's in my oh you were saying no to the cat i thought you were i thought you were heavily i thought you were very clearly opining on donald's uh no no no no and then i was waiting for you to go into your explanation, but you never did. No, just no. Don't try to give me that club soda story. All right, wait. Joelle is letting us know. Club soda is artificially infused with carbon and mineral salts. Similarly, seltzer is artificially carbonated, but generally does not contain any added minerals.

Sparkling mineral water, on the other hand, is naturally carbonated from a spring or well. How is something naturally carbonated? I don't know, dude. Carbon gets into it? I don't know. I guess. Well, that was a very thorough explanation,

but I still don't understand it. I feel like you cut and pasted that, though, from... Well, she didn't just freehand type that. She just got it off the web. You know know speaking of places that don't have things uh we're in some backwoods place touring with a show and we stopped at kind of a dairy queen type of thing but sort of in the middle of a forest for some reason and one of the girls with us she's going to get a cheeseburger she says what kind of cheese do you have? I think this is somewhere in Michigan.

And the person literally goes, cheese. It's square, it's orange, and it's flat. And that person went home and told her family, you wouldn't believe what this girl asked me today. What kind of cheese? It's cheese. So, all right, Neil. I was going to do it.

Are you going to go into the Neil's thing? No, you do it. You do it. No, no, no, go ahead. I was just going to be like, I was just going to say this. Neil, you're one of the few people in the history of television. There's like a handful of people that went from a show that ran for eight years to a show that ran for 11 years? What did the middle do?

11? Nine. To a nine-year. 17 years. 17 years straight on television yeah I know and then actually Neil you went on to another show right away right so you did eight and that one didn't last

right but you did 18 years in a row on TV yeah yes that might be a record you've got to be on a very short list it has to be maybe so but whatever the list is however long it is I am the least famous person on it. That's not true.

I disagree. I disagree. No, that's true. But it's just, you know, I was trying for a long time before Scrubs came along. And then I finally, the door opened, you know, and I got let into the party. And luckily enough, I just stayed. Now tell us, Neil, that's a good segue into, because whenever we have the cast members on,

we try and we've all sort of told our stories of how we got on the show. And Bill's told a really funny story about you, which I'll let you tell, or your version of it, because he was talking about how you initially read for Cox. And then when he said you wanted to be the janitor, you said something like, but I'll still have a stethoscope, right? Or something like that. Yeah. Well, Bill tends to embellish his story.

Oh, really? Yeah. We know that. Over time. I know. If you've heard a Bill story at the beginning and then what it's like in two years, it's like the ultimate game of telephone it's become something exaggerated but yes and i thought before what kind of person just takes a story and changes it improves it possibly a comedy writer it kind of makes sense but neil what was going on for you before like what were you up to before scrubs and then how did you come to be on scrubs well i can i just say you had done a bunch of movies though in chicago and stuff like that small parts small nothing of any significance but the baseball movie that you did you were

one of the key players in that in in that movie uh rookie of the year that is correct right right and uh yeah the small part in major League as well. I was doing baseball movies only. You know, I went in to not even read, but years ago, whenever they would have made eight men out, I somehow got a chance to be one of the baseball players. And I went in and she said, so do you play baseball? I said, yeah. She said, do you really? You know, like she pushed me.

I said, well, it's not like I could have been a pro, you know? And I saw her face fall. I got, she lost interest in me. I'm 25 years old. If I could have been a pro, I'd be a pro. And then I see the movie and there's the baseball players. They're playing catch. Yeah. It's all they do in the movie. Throwing a ball back and forth. Oh, we only got pros for this, you know. Oh, anyway. So it wasn't in that baseball movie.

But I was just doing little parts, whatever you can get. I was starting to get a star on things a little bit. And then this came up. I actually feel like I've told this story before. Is it okay to repeat yourself? Yes, yes. Yeah, man. Absolutely.

Our fans might not know it, and I'm sure they'll love the story. Okay. I was doing guest stars on things. Whereas the first half of my career, I'd been kind of a straight actor, kind of a drama-leaning. I drifted over into the comedy side, and thank goodness I did, because that's where things opened up. I had done an episode of Drew Carey and Krista Miller was on that show and uh shortly afterwards friends of

mine said that they're going out to dinner with Chris Miller and her new husband who turns out was Bill Lawrence and I said years ago I met a Bill Lawrence we played on the same basketball team out here right before I left and went back to Chicago. And it was the same guy. And so we went to their house for drinks or whatever. And then within a month or two, he had this show that he had created. And so I got called in and I said, thanks for calling me in. And he said, I didn't, I didn't give them your name. Because the same people that directed Drew Carey, I think, cast Scrubs. Okay. Anyways.

So then I read Dr. Cox. And he said, that was good. You're not going to get this part. I already know who I'm going to give it to. I said, oh, well, that's fair enough. And he says, but you want to read this? He hands me two pages. And it's the scene with the janitor and JD at the door.

And he goes, good, you want to do that? I said, sure. You know, it's a job is a job. That's all I've been doing. It's 500 bucks or whatever it is for the day. And then I think what was significant is

between doing the pilot and that's all I was promised. The janitor wasn't going to do anything else. is between doing the pilot, and that's all I was promised. The janitor wasn't going to do anything else. Bill came to and saw an improv show that I did, and he enjoyed it and learned, I don't know, that I could think on my feet or whatever.

And I think this made all the difference that probably the first scene of the next episode, when the show got picked up, we rehearsed it. He goes, yeah, good. And then if you think of something else, just throw it in.

Yeah. Do it, do it, do a take like that. Or we would goof around in rehearsal. You would say, good, keep that.

Yeah. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. And so that, uh, for me, considering it was a pretty small part that was,

uh, that made all the difference. If I got to have such latitude. What was amazing for, for me watching you was Bill's respect for how understandably for how funny you, uh, were because, you know, with everyone else, uh, he would, you know, the rule on scrubs was kind of like, okay, you know, make sure you get it as written. And then if you guys have time, you can mess around a little bit. And we all did that.

We all would come up with stuff. But with Neil, Bill would just be like, all right, Neil, you can make something funnier than this. So what do you want to say? And invariably, Neil would just come up. And sometimes they were long. And Bill would put them in. But they were – I mean, Neil, all my stuff was with you, uh, the first season. And I just, I don't think I ever laughed so hard.

All my stuff was with you. Sorry. That's what I meant to say. I was just, I'd never really worked with anyone like that. I'd never worked. I mean, I was so blown away by you because I had never, I mean, it was my first big job, obviously, but even in my other stuff I had done, I had never worked with someone who could think so quickly on their feet and would just be adding stuff that was with all due respect to Bill, even funnier than what was written on the

page. And Bill said, if it's funnier than what I wrote, that's fine. People will think I wrote it. So he was fine with that. Well, I appreciate that compliment. And it was a, I think, very rare situation that that unfolded the way it did. And when that show ended and it went on to the middle, I said, well, this is great. The only bad part will be if there's sticklers about the script because I'm not used to that. And there were sticklers about the script. And I had a lot more to say. Oh, man. That must have been so frustrating for

you because i mean i just can't one thing about bill we always joke about his ego and how competitive he is but he really always he was very open to people contributing that's not to say you know he was the the editor ultimately and he would decide what was in and what wasn't and and sometimes we thought stuff was hilarious that he wouldn't use it but he was very open to everybody collaborating and then it's like neil said he goes on to another show and they're like, great, we just want you to say exactly what's written. And you can't, I, you know, if I, I hear that story and I go, what were you thinking? I mean, you, you contributed so much to the humor of Scrubs. I just can't believe it's like not letting a racehorse run. Well, you know the difference? If it's a racehorse

running around and someone says, okay, I can see that you're very fast. This is a farm. We need you to pull that plow. The difference is the tone of the show. Scrubs, even though it had its nice uh you know it could turn on a dime and be heartfelt and sincere in that other than that and much of it it wasn't very grounded it was well all the fantasies and all that stuff i mean it was very and then the janitor could have turned out to be a martian and it wasn't okay sure i guess Okay, sure, I guess. Sure. I was playing a family man in Indiana.

You can't just say crazy things. Right. Right. Right. And one of your specialties was just, I remember that Bill told the story about you getting, one thing you improv that he kept all in about getting into a fight with a chicken. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was a duck, I think.

A duck. A duck, yeah. For some reason, I think, I feel like that was written or partly written or mostly written. I might have gone off a little bit. I think the start of it may have been, but as I recall, you,

as you did so many times hilariously, would just go off with it. And so, you know, a lot of times we'd be like, this is hilarious. I don't know if Bill's going to put this in the show or not, but on set, we're all fucking cracking up.

And then almost invariably, you'd see the episode cut together and it would be in there. I remember one of my favorite, I mean, you and I had some, I mean, I'm not just saying this because you're here, man. I genuinely think, and no offense, Donald, I love you to death, but I genuinely think you've probably made me laugh harder than anyone else on earth. Well, wow. Okay, then. I remember an episode and they wound up changing the episode but the storyline between the two of you was about a piece of fruit and that you had never tried before that that the janitor had never tried before and and the whole storyline was you finally getting this fruit at the end of the show and tasting the fruit.

And I don't remember where it went after that. But I just remember you doing a bunch of really funny things about fruit. And then they changed it to like a scooter or some shit like that. I don't know what it was. Oh, you know what? Do you remember this this reminds me yesterday because uh zach sent me an episode of this thing to to listen to with john mcginley yeah and it came up what episode wasn't the janitor in yes yeah was that the episode it's called that is it cups yes i

think i because there was an outtake of me wiping out on a scooter coming in the front door of the hospital but that had never aired because i i was that was the first season and i was edited out of it and that's the only time that happened that i knew it i knew it i knew it i knew it as the worst memory in the world remembered something because i thought the i thought the story was so funny the fruit story was so funny and it was like a peach or a plum. And you kept improvising different fruits. When you were telling that story, and I still have no memory whatsoever of a fruit

and a plot line about fruit. Because I wasn't in it. So I blocked it out of my memory in spite. Neil, one of my favorite, I have two favorite uh moments that always come to mind when i think of laughing with you the first is um in the wizard of oz episode when you and i uh did this whole long riff about um about seeing a manatee underneath the hospital and then you said um i said is there some sort of underground

canal system or something i think i i think i saw a manatee and you said was his name julian and then i said um i don't know we we didn't exchange pleasantries and you go that's julian that was good i feel like it was the writers though i don't know no no no we made that up that was all me and you just being silly again it was one of those things where we were like i don't think this is ever going to be in the show but we were just cracking each other up about there's a manatee under the hospital and has a name and you you're familiar with his his social behavior this is what i'm talking, about being able to wing it. Yeah.

I couldn't have thrown that in on the middle. I was working on it. Corey, Mike, it was good. There's a man that lives underground. I bet I know the other one that you. Yeah, you do. Go ahead. It's this.

It's my wife. Thumb finger finger thumb finger if you guys want to watch on the on the scrubs gag reel blooper reel that you can find on youtube i forgot what season it is but neil the janitor as wife had made me scrubs short shorts and um and he's like look i really want you to wear these to work. And I'm like, I'm a doctor. I can't wear short shorts to work. All it was was a pair of scrubs cut off really high. Yeah, so high.

Like my balls would have hung out of them. And then Neil goes, the good Lord didn't bless my wife with all 10 fingers. She only has pointer on one hand and thumb pinky on the other. and fingers. She only has pointer on one hand and thumb pinky on the other. Meaning that it had been really hard for her to make these short shorts and I was disrespecting her if I didn't

wear them. Anyway, I just couldn't make it through. I could not make it through with Neil going pointer and thumb pinky. That's, by the way, a wife that probably doesn't exist. No, yeah, she didn't. She didn't exist because you get married at the end of the, at the end of the series.

That's true. That's true. And Neil, you know, Neil, we've been joking this first season. It's downline, you know,

we haven't seen these in 20 years. And as I'm sure you haven't, and you know, Bill, you know, one of the Bill isms that he always says is, you know, I was debating season one,

if the janitor was just going to be a figment of JD's imagination. Well, every episode we go through, for the most part, we see little moments where the janitor does interact with other people. And every time we bring it up to Bill, we're like, so yeah, you're holding onto that. But you know, you know, in this episode, the janitor, you know, for example, in this one, he offers two baseball tickets. Sorry, Franklin Godbetter, who is one of our assistant directors, is playing the actor who sees Neil with the two tickets and says, I'll go. And Neil's like, not you. And it's like another example of like, okay,

well then other people see the janitor bill. I watched that yesterday. That was a moment that was added to the script that wasn't in there. Yeah. The not you part for Franklin. I think that might be one of the only times. I mean, you might remember. No, he dressed up like the bunny.

Remember Franklin dressed up like a bunny. No, I'm not saying that Franklin wasn't in the show more. I'm saying where it's a really funny moment where Neil goes, what do you want to go to a baseball game and have popcorn? And then J.D. walks away like, stop messing with me. And then he pulls the two tickets out of his shirt. He's like, that's the last time I reach out. And I was laughing out loud going,

do you think that's the only time in Scrubs history that the janitor ever made a genuine appeal to genuine appeal to JD to bury the hatchet. You know what? Watching that, I thought, I don't think I played that right because I said it very sarcastically. So of course you walked away, you know, what do you want to do? Go to a baseball game and we get up. But I probably should have said, well, would you like to go to a baseball game with me and we can share popcorn? I mean, it's something that sounds a little more sincere. Right.

But J.D. had to, you know, it had to be on the line because J.D. had to be like, stop fucking with me, roll his eyes, and walk away. Right. Or maybe the janitor just has no skill at offering an invitation. They all come out very sarcastic. Very sarcastic, right. Would you like to come to a party with me?

I guess. Would you marry me, please? So what was the troupe that you were doing improv with, Neil, that Bill saw you in the early days? We were called Beer Shark Mice, and it was at the I.O. West, which no longer exists, a theater. But we must have done it for, as it turns out, 15, 18 years, something like that. It was crazy.

Wow. Let me throw out the names real quick. Pete Holney, Dave Koechner, Pat Finn, Mike Coleman, Paul Valancourt. I hope I didn't forget anybody. Coleman, Paul Valancourt. I hope I didn't forget anybody. When I first moved out here, removed out here after five years in Chicago, we had been doing it at a theater in Chicago, not the same group, but all those individuals with different. And he'd only put, he just put a group together out here when, when they,aron who owns it opened up a branch out here and we all had virtually nothing to do nobody's career was rolling and so that's what uh that's

what we did all the time that was maybe in 98 99 and what was that was there a specific game or that you guys would play or or structure of your improv uh no not, but we didn't do games. That's a different, uh, approach. It was, um, there's something called a Herald that is a long form where you get out there, take a suggestion, go for a half hour. Yeah. And, uh, uh, we didn't do that, but it was along those lines. We just take a suggestion and then the audience is done participating. That's amazing. You just roll for a half hour. It was a good group and it's not necessarily dead now, but

it was great fun and a great thing to do and I enjoyed doing it. And then after a while, sometimes I still want to do a show and I say, you know, I'm closing in on 60 years old. I don't think I was 25. I wasn't interested in seeing 60 year olds entertain me in any way.

Oh, I have no doubt that you would sell out, man. People, people love seeing you and you were so good at it. I mean, I remember thinking that when we were doing scrubs that, that just cracking up at the stuff you would come up with and going, I would love to go see one of your improv shows. I think we may have gone once. Was Mike Schwartz involved or no? No.

Am I just, maybe he came with us. When we were doing, when we were doing scrubs, were you doing the show too? Were you doing the improv show? Okay. I feel like I came once.

I feel like I must've come once. I don't think you did. Cause I, I didn't, you know, feel strongly about this but people had heard that this was going on and it went on for all the years of the scrubs and so people would often i thought they're just striking up a conversation or or

being you know they really meant it when you do that surely yours what what time and it became like for the literally like for the 50th time i I'm saying to somebody, Saturday night, 8 o'clock, I.O. Theater. And as far as I recall, no one ever came. So I got tired of being asked. And I don't need anybody to come, but the house is full. Maybe I saw a video or something. Yeah, that's what we did. We saw a video.

Bill showed us a video. Maybe that's what it was. video or something i saw yeah that's what we did we saw a video bill showed us a video maybe that's what it was bill was sort of was showing us a video of of you and because i feel i have a somewhere in my brain i remember really a piece of it yeah and there was you and somebody on stage and it was like uh where you were a a drill not a drill sergeant but something like that where you were in the army and i i just remember it a long time. It was, it was,

you remember that improv from 20 years ago, right? Yeah. That's a, no one ever, maybe it's possible, but pretty much you never remember a scene you did. Someone will say,

I saw you guys improvise once you were firemen. And I don't, I have no memory of that. Shall we get into the show? So Neil, what we do is we just kind of talk through the episode And point out things that made us laugh Or just any thoughts we have But we should probably take a break, right, Joel?

We'll go to break Neil, this is a real show, we have commercials and shit I know, I heard, I'm very impressed Yes, no joking around when it comes to being real. Right, Donald? I mean, no. This is the real deal. This is like a real radio show. Well, I mean, a real podcast show. A real podcast, yeah.

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Seven questions, limitless answers. Alrighty, we're back. We're back! We're back with Neil Flynn, everybody. The people spoke they said neil flynn bring on neil flynn and we got him has everybody else been here uh you are no ken has not been on the show yet jenkins but we've had the other lead cast members yeah we had judy on we've had johnny on we've had sarah on we now have you on. We had Bill on. We had Krista. We had Krista on.

Speaking of Ken Jenkins, I am just about, you know, when we started the show, he was the old guy. Yeah. Without, you know, no offense, but clearly. Yeah. That's how we thought of him, and you even more than I, because you're younger than I am. I'm almost that age.

You're almost the age he was when we started the show? I'm almost that age. You're almost the age he was when we started the show? I'm months away, and I think Johnny C's a little older than me, so I think he probably is that age. Wow. I haven't seen Ken in a while. The last time I saw him was when we did the reunion thing.

He looked great. And he looked amazing, yeah. I want to get him to come on this. We had some sort of group email about, hey, do you guys want to do X, Y, or Z? And everyone was like, sure, sure, sure. You know, we almost all always say yes because it means we get to all get together and have a drink and make each other laugh. And Ken was like, I'm moving. I've got a lot going on. And I was like, my feelings were, I mean, I know it wasn't personal, but I was like, Ken, you know, you can take a couple hours off from moving

and come say hi to us, but nah, I got a lot going on. Nah, I got shit to do. It sounds like work. I got shit to do. And it was kind of a Kurt goodbye. It was like very Kelso. It was like, but good to hear from you all. Take care.

I remember that, but I find it interesting that it was an email, and you've put a voice to it of a grouchy old man. I have to move. I have to move. Nice to see you all. The funny thing is about like, people always ask you like what people, what people, cast members are like. And I said, the most different from his character was Ken Jenkins because he was the sweetest man you ever met in your whole life. And he was playing this, you know, tough jerk. Yes.

And I noticed that on the episode that it was early on, obviously the first season, and everyone was still a little bit one-dimensional. I don't want to say that's not exactly true, but Ken was. I'm like, look how mean Ken is being. Like in the pilot when he turned into a demon for a minute. He was still in that mode of, well, guess what, sport? Nobody cares. That sort of thing.

By the end, he was like this kindly old doddering man. Just having a nice muffin. Yeah. And also at the bar in the Bahamas. Like, you know, I think Bill finally, like, one episode early on here in season one, we showed that back in the day he used to write love songs on the guitar to his wife. I think Bill was beginning to plant seeds of him having a softer side. But you're right, by the end of the season, by the end of the show,

he was a sweetheart, or more of a sweetheart. And, like, Ted was sort of his best friend, wasn't he? By the end of the show, yeah. And this one, he calls him Ned. By the way, all these years that we assume that Ted has been working for him, he still doesn't know his name. He calls him Ned. Yeah, but that went away.

I mean, they became kind of buddies. I found it very crazy. I thought it was crazy that Ted has been plotting against Kelso for so long. He's hired a hitman. He's hired a hitman. He's like, I know a hitman. You and I, we can do it. That was a really funny part of this episode where we have that long, uncomfortable laugh

because he mentions that he knows a guy who can end it all. And then we have that long, uncomfortable laugh, because he mentions that he knows a guy who can end it all. And then we have that long, uncomfortable laugh, and then he's like, no, seriously, just one phone call. So that means that Ted has found a... He's got a hitman ready to go whenever the time is right.

He just needs somebody to be like, no, you're right, we should kill this fucker. He just needs it, yeah., no, you're right. We should kill this fucker. He just needs it. Yeah, someone second the emotion. I hadn't seen Sam's face since he passed away, and it was nice but, you know, strange to see Sam. Yeah, man, we've been talking about that on the podcast and how obviously it's caused me to look even closer at his work on the show and just how incredibly funny he was. We recently just watched an episode where he and

Judy, I don't know if you remember this one, Neil, where he and Judy serenade a patient and sing this beautiful harmony together. And it was so moving. I mean, obviously, because he passed away, but it just really drove it home how incredibly talented a guy he was. Yeah. That was – his character added a nice – it came in handy, you know. So many shows that succeed, I think, build a world of supporting characters that you can go to to or just like probably number one would be the simpsons they have like a poster and there's 200 recognizable characters in there yeah um of course give me 30 years and maybe i could do that too with a tv show they've had a lot of time to characters but uh but scrubs did a good job of that. Yeah. And Bill always called them his assassins, those people like Bob Clendenin or Matt Winston

or Phil Lewis, who played Hooch. Rob Macchio. Rob Macchio. Well, Rob had a bigger part than those guys. But I mean, just being like, you know, think about Phil Lewis, who came on and would do, I don't know how many episodes he did total. He's directing now.

Yeah. Yeah, he's doing now. Yeah. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's doing very well as a director. I mean, I don't know if this happens to you, Donald,

but I'll be walking down the street and people be like, Hey, love you on the show. Hooch is crazy. And it's like, it's like a little slogan about Phil Lewis, his character. And he must've done like a handful.

I mean, that's the amount of influence. Sorry. That's the amount of impact he had on, on fans. Cause they were just like, they loved him so much. Well, remember, it started off as Turner and Hooch,

where Tom Hanks' brother came on as Turner, and Phil Lewis played Hooch, and they had this whole little adventure that they went on together as Turner and Hooch in the hospital. Yeah, they somehow got paired together. One of them was a medical doc, and one of them was a surgeon, and they would tag team a bunch of patients, right? I think it was an elaborate way for the writers to get a Turner and Hooch joke.

Right, but they got Tom Hanks' brother to play the Turner character, just like in the movie, right? And then somehow it turned into this whole story with Phil coming back as this crazy-ass doctor. But when it originally happens, the two of them are, you know, he's not crazy or anything like that. Then it turned into us joking around like, oh, Hooch is crazy. Hooch is so crazy. And then by the end of it, it's no, Hooch is crazy. He is genuinely crazy. People love that. But no, no, no, not joking. Hooch is fucking crazy people love that

but no no no not joking Cooch is fucking crazy like dangerous and then there was an episode where you put like someone was it me or you put bullion cubes in the shower head which one of y'all put bullion cubes in the shower and we're sitting there

trying not to like and he's like I won't catch you him with the crack lighter that goes like you know And we're sitting there trying not to like – And he's like, I will catch you. Him with the crack lighter that goes like six feet. That's a very popular gif I always use. Hooch with like a six-inch lighter flame. Yeah. By the way, I remember a funny thing about Tom Hanks' brother who was on the show.

He did the voice for one of the Toy Story things. Not the movies, but like I don't know if it it was a book or something. Yeah, a doll. Yeah, something that Tom Hanks couldn't be bothered to do, and he had a similar voice. So he would just throw him, I guess, being generous to his brother, like, here, you do some of this stuff. And I just remember learning for the first time that he did some of the non-movie stuff.

That's amazing. A little trivia for you out there. Just a little trivia. Elliot is into some kinky stuff, right? I mean, I just realized that this is a runner through the series. The episode opens up with her talking to Scott Foley about wanting to be called a bad girl and they're going to go shopping or stop by her house for a schoolgirl outfit. And then I just started thinking about all these times in the series where Elliot's got some kink. She likes to role play.

Yeah, she likes the dirty stuff. She like the dirty talk. I think that's even one of my lines in the show. Oh, she like the dirty talk. Really? In this episode? No, not in this episode, but like later on in the series. I know I say something like that.

And then later on when she and Foley are making out, she's like, say intercourse. Like she's got these weird kinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's, that's, I, I, yeah. Remember there was one where I was like an apple thief. I had to be, I was a part of one of their... I don't know if that was a fantasy or if it was real, but they had asked me... There was one where she climbed up on top of me on a surgical table.

Yeah, that was a fantasy, though, wasn't it? That was a fantasy. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Do you remember if... It was? She had a... A nurse thing on. Like a Red Cross thing.

Yeah, the Red Cross thing. And in post, they had to change it to green because no, you don't use the Red Cross's logo. That's funny. That's a little bit of trivia right there. You can't have sex on a surgical table with the Red Cross album on. We're not going to approve that.

But if you got the green one, which is the medical marijuana one, it's all good. It's all good. It's funny, the green cross in the uk just means pharmacy or normal pharmacy and now that you live in we live in california for those of you don't have dispensaries wherever you are everywhere there's a medical dispensary recreational or or medical it's the green cross so it's, when I first moved and spent some time in London, I was like, wow, they have a lot of dispensaries around here.

They're on every corner. I laughed out loud at Aloma Wright. Hey, let's make this quick. I got tickets to Bring in the Noise, Bring in the Funk, and I don't want to miss the noise. I laughed hard. Aloma. She had a couple good lines in that episode. Yeah, she really does. She really does nail it every time, though.

You're absolutely right about the cast of characters that came after the core seven. You know what I mean? It's like everyone always seemed to nail their jokes. You know what I mean? And it's a... I don't know if Bill had a thing mean it's like everyone always seemed to nail their jokes you know what i mean and and it's it's a i don't know if bill had a thing where it's like if you didn't nail the jokes you didn't come back but oh of course that is kind of the thing if you're not funny you're not coming back i would love to know the people that he had we don't want to we don't want to out i'm not gonna put on this is conversation to have with him. No one's listening. Right.

At another time. No, but I mean you can know in your head there were people that could have easily – what happened with Neil is the ultimate example. Neil was in the pilot and Bill was like, I'm making this guy a series regular. Whereas there's people who did one or two and he's like, all right, well, it was nice meeting you. Right. Yeah. What about – you skipped something and I wanted to talk to you about it. When Judy touches your belly and goes, boink, and she goes, who's your new friend?

I didn't want to. Oh, you wanted to skip that. I didn't want to skip it, but, you know, when I was watching the show, I was like, and this is where my eating habits changed. You know what I mean? But I have a question, because I think it's just a story point. Because when they cut to you later running with Johnny C and you're in the gym, you look fit as hell. So this didn't come out of the writers being like, ooh, Donald's gained a few.

Did it? It didn't look like you had. Listen. Back then, I was 175 pounds when we started the show, right? Right. I got up to 190 pounds and everybody i could feel the you know where my clothes didn't fit the same and everything like that and season one this happened yeah around season one you know you get comfortable when you're working and stuff like that and i remember thinking you know wow i guess i look big on camera now and you know i i remember dieting and doing all of these things right and at one point i you know i i i guess i i gained some weight but this was this became a

issue for me as time went on where i didn't think about weight up until scrubs like i didn't give a shit about how i looked or how i was perceived i didn't you know i just i ate what i wanted to and you know i i worked out a shit ton but then all of a sudden it became okay no you have to work to maintain this weight for the show or it's gonna be in the script and people look wait so did anyone ever say anything to you like you need to lose weight no but i once heard and i'm gonna call sarah out on this but i once heard sarah you know while we were filming talking to a bunch of people like yo somebody hit me up on a chat line and was like yo is donald faze on on the crispy cream diet and i was like yo and i remember being like yeah i am on a crispy cream diet but who gives a

shit dude why does it's funny because the story of turk in the show is that doctors get so busy they don't have time to exercise they're they're stress eating and it's kind of what happened to you as an actor on the show we had crazy hours there's a giant craft service table with donuts and uh you know and i love first of all i love donuts let's let's keep it 100 like is that your favorite thing for my birthday my wife bought me a donut machine dude you think i'm fucking bullshitting she went on amazon and got me a commercial grade donut making machine dude and i found it just they go down like the little just like a crispy cream and i and i was like you

got that shit and she was like yeah i was like we got to look at the dimensions on how big this thing is this shit's like 56 inches like it's like a six foot whatever six feet is it's like a six foot long track and it makes donut it doesn't make like one donut at a time it makes like seven it makes a dozen donuts at a fucking time, dude. And I'm like holy shit. I even said to her, I was like babe, is there a way that we can return this? And she was like, yeah, but it has to get here first. Now I know me

once it gets here I'm gonna make donuts on that thing, man. Wait, this is recently? It hasn't come yet? It hasn't come yet. Oh my god. The way it happened was because I'm going through Amazon and you know how once you once you buy something on amazon it hits you with if you like this if you since you bought this you you know you might like this right and i was like hold up why are all these donut machines showing up

well that's not gonna help your diet bro if you have a donut machine in your house i've i've come up with i've come up with an idea on what I want to do with said donut machine. What? I am going to make Donnie's donuts, okay? And I'm going to sell donuts to the masses. I'm going to – I'll sell about – it makes like a dozen donuts at a time. I'll sell, I don't know, maybe five donuts a day okay out of the out of your front door not out of the front door i'll do it on sets or something like that where i'll you know where

i'll you know if you have a you're not gonna give it to charity you're just gonna pocket that money right this is your side yeah man i gotta pay for that donut machine that shit costs a lot of money i know my wife bought it for me but you know it comes out of my motherfucking pocket now don't you funny i never realized until now is like when you have a joint bank account with your wife and and or your partner whatever and they give you like a really expensive present is part of you like uh thank you but what the fuck yeah i'm sure my wife thinks that way too like how much the first thing she says every time I buy something, how much did it cost? Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. You know what I mean? Don't you worry about it. I had the opportunity to see how much the donut machine cost because it was on our Amazon account. I can't wait to see the commercial donut machine in your house. When this is all said and done, I invite you all over. Come over.

I'll make donuts for you. All right. Well, I didn't realize it was a sore spot for you. But anyway, it was written in the script that Turk has gained some pounds. Well, it turns out that Turk gets diabetes, too, because of his eating habits. And, you know, part of me thinks, like, yeah. Is that later? Yeah, later on.

Turk gets diabetes, literally. The episode, my diabetes. My diabetes. But I remember thinking, you know, your real life would somehow wind, like I don't have diabetes, but your real life would somehow wind its way up into the script. You know what I mean? And I remember I started, I was losing my hair at a very young age. And Bill wrote into the script, the reason why Turk doesn't grow his hair out is because it's patchy.

And I remember being like, oh, hold on now. Oh, man. I just noticed that you have hair on your head. I have a shit ton of hair. You stopped shaving your head. Not so much in the front. Not so much on the front, but like on the sides. He just has a big receding hairline, but it looks good.

Anyway. I like the way it looks. Thank you. You just made me think you could doirline, but it looks good. Anyway. I like the way it looks. You just made me think you could do a mohawk, which would be cool. It would be really thin in the front, and then it would get really thick in the back, though, which is not really the dopest mohawk on the planet. But anyway, I remember

him doing that and being like, wait, hold on a second. Bill thinks I can't grow hair? There's like a there's like six episodes where turk has a full head of hair just because i was like there's no way i'm gonna let anybody think right that i can't grow no like it became personal at some points and this was one of those moments with the donut where it was like when i was watching i was like in this i think this is where it all went down where i I started to realize, oh, I have to be in a certain shape for things.

I have to look a certain way because before that I didn't care about it and I was still working. Right. Well, don't you feel that way now, though, still when you get jobs that, like, when you were on emergence for a year, did you feel like that you wanted to be in good shape for the camera? No, I just wanted to look fresh in the face for camera like these are things that i've like i've learned that my drinking habits and my marijuana habits have made it so that you know if i don't take time off from it you can see it in my face you know what i mean i look at pictures at at us when we were kids and we and when we would go to the parties and everything like that and we drink at the parties and you could literally see in our faces and pictures, those guys are fucking wasted.

And as I've gotten older, that's lasted much longer than it, you know what I mean? If I drink on Tuesday, you know, I got to wait until like Friday until it's all gone out of my face. Or I have, you know, real big bags under my eyes. And same thing with smoking. So when I went and did Emergence, I cut out all booze and alcohol for a long period of time. I mean booze and marijuana for a long period of time. I don't know what Emergence is. What's Emergence?

No one did. No one did, Neil. No one watched it, Neil. It didn't emerge? It didn't emerge the way I wanted it to. You know, Neil, both Donald and I, as you know, because you helped me with some press, which I really appreciate, as you know, Donald and I both had ABC shows,

and unlike The Middle, they both completely bombed. Yeah, they didn't make it. The Middle was an ABC show, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Was it ABC Studios also? Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers for ABC, wow. Yeah, we were ABC for

NBC originally, and NBC was like, no, we're gonna pass on it. And ABC was like, oh, well, we'll pick it up. And we went a full season. And, uh... Are you still sad about it? How are you feeling about it? I'm fine. You know, I... How long, like, how long do you p sad about it how are you feeling about it i'm fine uh you know i how long how long like how long do you pout about something like that well like i have bad news i i i think i

pout for like a few days and i'm like all right fuck it yeah i didn't pout that long about this one i loved the show and i loved the cast members and i loved working with everyone uh but it was in jersey and not that i have something not that i have something wrong with jersey but coming out of a pandemic and going back to work in new jersey and leaving my kids on behalf of the garden state i think the point is that you didn't want to be separated from your family it wasn't that was like jersey let me if you if you let me finish coming out of a pandemic and going back to jersey which i i had a great time in Jersey and I love Jersey. Yes, we know you like Jersey City.

And leaving my kids back in Los Angeles again, it would fuck them up. You know what I mean? I understand that. I wouldn't want to do a show in another state. Maybe the time will come, but I think, I don't even want to drive to Fox. I agree, Neil. I would do a film, obviously, anywhere,

but I wouldn't sign on, I don't think, and I mean, I'll mark my words, I'm sure there'll be an occasion where I might change my mind, but right now, I think, to commit long-term to something, it would be New York or LA.A. where I'm based. And I have – I'm like Donald.

I don't have kids yet. But I'm still in a place where I don't want to go move to Stade. Where? I always choose Stade as my random city. I believe it's a ski town in Switzerland. choose Stade as my random city. I believe it's a ski town in Switzerland. It's straight out of trading places

where Dan Aykroyd's at the pawn shop trying to sell the watch and the dude's like, 50 bucks. He's like, 50 bucks? No, this is a such and such. It tells time in New York, London, LA, and Stade. I think it's like the Aspen of the Alps.

It's like a fancy ski town. Which, by the way, was a horrible example for my story because I should have picked a place no one wants to live. Maybe I would like to live in the Aspen of the Alps. We're going to take a quick break, and then, Neil, we take a guest with the show who's going to have an awesome question for one of us, I'll bet. Oh, fantastic.

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Speaking of churchy, dude, do you remember the church episode where we did it in the hospital cafeteria? And you had the freaking straw hat. What kind of hat is that? Where it's like a straw hat. A skimmer, maybe? Really? Going along with it? Yeah.

Neil, I think you had a tambourine, as I recall. That could be. Golly. Samuel Center is in the house! That's Samuel Center. Joelle, do you have any special introduction you want to make of Samuel Center, or should we just start talking to Samuel Center? Just get right on into it. Hello, Samuel!

Hello, beautiful people. This is crazy. How are you? It is crazy. You are a professional, dude. You came with the mic popping thing. Donald needs one of those because he spits everywhere. I have a spit problem. Yeah, Dan, can you get... Samuel has, for those of you listening, has one of those very fancy circle things you

put in front of a mic, and Donald needs one of those, Dan. I have one. I have one. No. Well one no well we need it we need it now it's probably called the spit guard or yes spit shield you know when i first saw the spit guard was in the we are the world uh music video and that's where i also sold that you were supposed to hold your headphones like this over one ear when you're singing so you can hear yeah to hear the harmonies. When you're down and out, and it's seeing the hope at all. If you think you look better without headphones on your head, I think that's how you hold the headphones. Right.

Yes, that's true. Mike didn't want to mess up the freaking Jerry curls, so he held it to the side. You're right, Neil. All the people that knew they were shooting a video were like, you know what? When you're down and out, and it's seeing the hope at all. But if you just believe.

Donald, we should do an episode of this where we recreate the video and we each take turns playing different characters in the song. Yeah, sure, man. I fucking did that as a kid. I used to do that as a kid. I could do it as an adult too. I used to love that. I would watch that over and over and over again.

Anyway, sorry, Samuel, where are you coming fromuel center okay where are you it's oprah where are you calling from samuel i'm calling from a small town called cloquet in minnesota cloquet minnesota okay oprah we got it the far north welcome you have neil flynn with us today and uh that's donald doing his best oprah and uh and do you have a question for us of anything? Ask us anything. Ask you anything. What happens when we die? Oh, wow.

No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Don't do that. Thank you, Samuel. Thanks for coming on, Samuel. Everybody has a place. Can you play the music that drives it off? No.

Go ahead, Samuel. You got a real question. Go ahead. I do. I have a real question for you. First of all, thank you for all of the years of entertainment. This is such a thrill to meet you guys. Thank you.

No, it's incredible. Thank you. So in terms of entertainment, you guys have been there for, you've been in the business for so long. And just seeing how things change, and it feels like people's attention spans are getting shorter and shorter. And Mr. Flynn, such a improv comedy genius.

And Zach, you're a writer and Mr. Faison, you just kind of embody what cool is to me. And you've been doing, I mean, since Clueless, man, my sister was big into Clueless and I can't tell you how much I look up to you and have tried to emulate some of the style that you have. Accepted and received, accepted and received. Thank you. But as things have changed and people's attention spans have gotten shorter, how do you feel yourselves adapting as entertainers, writers and improv comedy people?

Do you feel like you've had to shift the way you approach things? Or do you feel like you've kept it the same to just stay true to your art? Or how does that feel on your end? That's a good question. You know, they just came out with this service that, as as I understand it isn't, isn't doing as well as anyone hoped called Quibi, which is basically like 10 minute episodes you can watch on your phone, which I would have thought would, would do well because people are commuting and they're sitting in a doctor's office. And for all I know, it will, it will do well one day, but that I was thinking of,

of, of that service. When you, when you said that. The biggest thing I notice is that whenever I do anything, if it's a TV show, if it's a film, if it's a music video, if it's a documentary, everyone writes me on Instagram, Wednesday can be on Netflix. It's as though it's like the only thing most people watch anymore. So that's always on my mind when I'm going out and I'm pitching a new idea. I'm always kind of like, wow, I, I, you know, Netflix has so much content, but in my mind, I'm thinking like, I kind of want this to be on Netflix because that's what everybody seems to watch these days. You know, I like, you know, when we were talking briefly about the ABC show I did, Alex Inc., that didn't, didn't last or work that well. But I remember when I was promoting it, I was just doing anything I could to promote it. Anything, anything, anything. And then everyone

was like, sounds great, Zach. When's it on Netflix? And I'm like, well, it's on ABC. It's not going to be on Netflix. But I don't know. I just got thinking about that. What about you guys? I feel like it's, well, while we're in this downtime, I'm thinking about that. What about you guys? I feel like it's, well, you know, while we're in this downtime, I'm trying to, you know, I got a couple of other voices trying to develop something, you know, to do when we can start to work again. Yeah. And it's really, I've never done that before. I've never helped create a show.

But I feel like to start a new show now, I don't think attention spans are any shorter necessarily. People are watching stuff. It's just not the same stuff they used to watch. And there's more TV than there ever was. And I feel like if you're going to start something from the ground up, you can't just do a family living room, multi-cam, you know, it feels like that's gone.

There has to be something, a hook to the show. Yeah. And whether it's, you know, I don't know what really shows are doing, a period piece or you know, real people like, I don't know, the Kennedys or something or Queens and Kings or something fantastical or outer space.

It just feels like you can't do – the time has passed to do the Johnson family. Although, Neil, you just gave me a genius idea to do a traditional like living room sitcom, but it's Kings and Queens in a castle. I would do it except they live on like the set of The Cosby Show. They're Kings and Queens, but they just have a couch and a television. But they're, they're Royals and they've been transported from an, from another era, but, and they don't really know why they're there, but they live in this, this, you know, suburban house.

I did that. That could work or that could have worked in 1986. You know, come on, man. If Alf could work, or that could have worked in 1986, you know. Come on, man. If ALF could work. I was just going to say ALF. We talked about ALF extensively in one of these episodes because I remember as a kid, a child, seeing a commercial for ALF and being like, that's so stupid. No one's going to watch that. And then cut to me like riveted every week like watching alf what are you doing call that being kind of funny i think it was a kind of a funny show

no it was genius and max wright who is hilarious uh played the father what what are you doing alf and he notoriously hated being on a puppet show he hated hated every second of it. Oh, wow. He hated the puppet. Fuck that puppet. I want to walk off this set. Fuck you, Alf. I'm going to my trailer. Alf, fuck you. This is a true story.

Alf the puppet was actually my sleep paralysis demon from like age three to 10. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. I didn't see sleep paralysis demon what's it about i have all their music what is up what is a sleep paralysis demon for those of us who don't know all right so sleep paralysis is like this condition where you're you know dead asleep and you and if i'm sure you know if you don't know uh there's chemicals in your body that release to paralyze you while you're sleeping so that you don't get up and run while you're dreaming.

Right. There's a phenomenon that can happen where you achieve consciousness, but you're still paralyzed by those things that are keeping you sleeping. And I happened to get that and have since I was a really little kid. And typically, for whatever reason, whatever you want to say about the human condition or whatever, when people are stuck in this, they go to a very dark space. And usually they see something really ugly or terrifying. And this I mean, it could be anything it can be a literal so so people call them their sleep paralysis demons. And Alf was literally mine, there was a commercial on TV where Alf pressed his face against the glass it was probably from like the premiere episode yeah and when i was eight years old i i think specifically anytime i would get in the sleep paralysis state there would be alf at the edge of my bed wow were you terrified oh yeah yeah it's a frightening thing and was al saying anything to you or was he was just he was

just him up against the glass at the foot of your bed yeah it was just him against the glass I don't know man do you still have a sleep paralysis demon now yeah and is it still Al is it still Al no now it's just now it's just

I was going to say something but I won't no now it's actually a guy in a suit okay wow that's scary I was going to say something, but I won't. No, no, it's actually a guy in a suit. Okay. Wow. Wow. That's scary. Well, that's very scary.

That's traumatic. You know, Alf, I didn't have that much problems with Alf. We brought it up on the show before. I didn't know. I don't know if this was in your sleep paralysis nightmare, but Alf has a tail. We learned, Neil, because I had the stuffed animal for Alf. And I was a child.

And what I would do is I would take the Alf tail and I would tuck it through its legs and close its legs to give him a giant erect Alf penis. Mr. Braff, you've changed my life in many ways. And now I want to thank you because now my sleep paralysis, Alf, is going to have a big old tail penis. So thank you for that. Now, Sam, I'm going to feel so bad if it goes back from man in suit to Alf with an Alf erection. I apologize. But maybe you'll be able to laugh at him. Just point and laugh at him.

Maybe he'll dissipate. I'm not sure I understood the question. I thought you were asking like how we – He was saying now that in his opinion and an opinion of others, things are getting shorter and shorter for short attention spans. Do you think there's any way that you have adapted the way you perform or evolved things that you're doing for a shorter attention span, whether it's anything you do?

Maybe in your animated videos you you know i noticed something i'm gonna i'm gonna answer for donald and donald you pipe in you used to post some of your stop motion animation longer clips now you're posting very short clips do you think that's for human attention span absolutely because at one point i realized that thank you very much zach at one point i realized people were not paying attention past a minute. You know what I mean? Fuck that. Not paying attention past 30 seconds. And so now when I do,

when I post animation clips, they're like four seconds or five seconds because, you know, if anything, they'll watch it a couple of times, three or four times before they move on to the next thing to make sure they're just to pick up visually what it was that they saw. You know what I mean?

So like with animation, if it doesn't look right, people don't necessarily pay attention to it. And also I have a side question. If you're doing animation, is it better for you to focus on a short, do a short little segment really really really well rather than do work on a full minute that has mistakes in it yeah it's it's better to do in my opinion if you can do a full minute of perfect animation you're great but no movie is like that either though you know what i mean there are very few movies that have scenes that

are a one or four one minute you know what i mean if they do do that, it's a special shot. And so with animation, you try to shoot it just like you would shoot any other project that you put on film, whether it be movie or television. You want to make it quick and keep the cuts coming so that everybody, the faster the pace, the better it is with animation. The slower the pace of the story, the easier it is for people to tune out. Sometimes I send you clips of animation that I think is cool and you don't even reply.

And it hurts my feelings. I'm sorry, because I've seen them already. I know, but you could say, yes, I've seen this. I could say, yes, I've seen this. Thank you. It's like when my mom sends me a picture of a bird. And you know, okay. But I can,

I still take the time to be like pretty bird mom. You know, you could, you might, you know, might say, Hey, Zach,

cool animation. Saw this one. You know what? From here on out, because I now know that you are very sensitive when it comes to. I am sensitive. I will from here on out. I will respond with,

Oh man, I've seen that already, but thank out. I will respond with, Oh man, I've seen that already, but thank you. All right, Sam, you'll do another question. I got all kinds of questions, but we'll keep it.

We'll keep it like, uh, just knowing that Mr. Flynn is there, uh, which is so cool. I just have to say, I seriously think you're one of the funniest people that has ever existed,

especially in the comedy. I told him that too. I say, am I agree? It's just totally true. I'm just, uh, you know, just free-balling here. Let's just say that, yeah, free-balling, always. Put your underwear on.

You don't have to tell us what your underwear situation is, Sam. Put some underwear on. I said the wrong word. I'm nervous. I think it's spitball. You know what I mean? It's a spitball. Yeah.

This is why Alf won't leave the foot of your bed. He wants to see those balls. Oh, God. Oh, Samuel. All right, Samuel those balls. Oh God. Oh Samuel. All right, Samuel, go ahead. Free ball away. Janitor spinoff of scrubs. Let's just say they, they brought it back. Let's just say they got Mr. Braff and Mr. Faison signed on as co-stars and at least the, the pilot episode, where would you want to explore the janitor's character now?

And what would you want the episode to revolve around? What kind of stuff would you want to explore the janitor's character now and what would you want the episode to revolve around what kind of stuff would you like to be in it outer space that's where it's set we're marooned in outer space so sort of like a gilligan's island type thing island are we on the planet or are we on a ship neil or on a planet uh a ship and then then like toward the end of the island and on a planet or on a ship? Are we on a ship, Neil, or on a planet? A ship and then toward the end of the first season

it lands. Sort of like Josie and the Pussycats. The janitor and the doctors. Yes, it's very much like Josie

and the Pussycats. I was hoping you wouldn't notice that I stole that. So the janitor's also in a band. Yeah, we're all musicians, yeah. Now, Neil, you joke, but I would watch this show. I mean, you don't necessarily steal the character from Scrubs,

but your character is a janitor on a spaceship, which is a character you never see. Who's cleaning these spaceships? Yeah, yeah. That's funny. Donald, you watch so much sci-fi. Have you ever seen anyone cleaning up inside any of those ships?

No, never. Not even the Millennium Falcon which is the dirtiest spaceship in the galaxy. No one's ever cleaned it. Inside or out. No one does any maintenance. Never, ever. Maybe Geordi did a little maintenance.

But Geordie was like a, he was an engineer though, man. He was like, you know. Oh, that's right. I knew he was working on something. Just like your character would often be doing something. We joke about Neil that we sometimes were like, you know what? The janitor was actually a good janitor for all his, he really worked a lot. He was always doing shit.

And, and you always, you always were actually working. I would have said the opposite. There was oftentimes I would say, should I be doing something? I'm constantly just walking around a corner with nothing in my hands. You know,

what are you doing? Wasn't there a time when, when, when someone, a director said to mop in the admissions and you're like, there's a carpet. That's funny. I don't remember that.

Anyway, I'm very interested, Neil, in developing this You're a Challenger on a Spaceship series. Okay, yeah. Because it's about three guys that they're marooned out in space. What did they do beforehand? Were they scientists? They were on a mission. Donald and I were the astronauts. Well, two guys were on a mission, and one guy was cleaning the ship for them. No, no, no.

Donald and I were on a mission. And part of this mission, because there's been a lot of complaints about cleanliness in spaceships, they sent along a member of the janitorial staff to keep the ship clean while they're on their mission. Right. And then once it crashes or whatever, the status, you know, the totem pole is scrambled. Yes. Right. Well, yeah.

Now the big scientists, you know. Are scared shitless, and the janitor's like, I can handle this. Guys, follow my lead. Yeah. So the janitor's like, I can handle this. Guys, follow my lead. Yeah. So the janitor becomes the captain. Yes. And maybe Donald and I are injured, so we can't really do much.

But the janitor takes over. No, we don't have to be injured. We just have to be kind of not really good with other things other than piloting and science. No survival skills whatsoever. Yeah, whatsoever. Right. That's good, Neil.

So Neil's character is like, not only was he working for a custodial staff, but he was an amazing survivalist. And Donald and I don't know anything about how to survive on this random planet. Our journey could have been just, we were supposed to go to the International Space Station. Right. And that's it. And somehow we got knocked off course by some crazy ass gamma wave or some type of microwave or something like that.

And it sends us into a wormhole and we wind up in this fucking galaxy where we don't know shit about anything. Right. But and don't know how to survive other than if we were to be, you know, on an International Space Station. And Neil Flynn. The janitor. Janitor. Hey, you know what? I just thought of something.

What's up? Didn't Star Trek, they went to different planets and stuff, right? Yes. They never wore helmets or suits. Ever. They had oxygen in those. All those planets had oxygen. They were all life-supporting planets. Yeah. Right. Ever. They had oxygen in those. All those planets had oxygen. They were all life-supporting planets.

Right, apparently. I imagine they made that decision early on. Well, I imagine, like you said, with the headphones not looking good, I'm sure that, what's his name? Captain Kirk was like, you're not putting a helmet on this guy. Right. Shatner was like, no way. You see this?

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Joel will produce. Thank you. We're off to the races. Samuel, thank you for calling in, my friend. Oh, it's such a pleasure to meet everybody. Thank you very much. Thanks, Samuel. You're awesome, man.

And good luck. And listen, don't let those monsters keep you in bed. Be safe. Now I'm going to show them my balls and laugh at them. Okay, there you go. There you go. to show him my balls and laugh at him. Okay. And that's a lesson for everybody out there. If you're ever afraid, show him your balls and just laugh at them. Well, I'll see you in jail.

Maybe not. Donald's like, well, I'm like, never mind. Never mind. Bye, Samuel. Be healthy, man. Take care. Oh my God, I have so many questions. Back to space, janitor. I love that Neil's like furiously taking notes about this. Yes, I am.

I wonder if part of it should be a game show or maybe the whole thing a game show. Just for some reason, we're sticking with this, these elements that are a janitor lost in space. Okay, Carter family. these elements that are a gender lost in space. Okay, Carter family. What is the capital of Shad?

For the Stod. Stod. Stod. Yeah, and believe it or not, Neil, Stod starts with a G. There's a silent G. What? Yeah, I believe the spelling, Joel, if you check, is G-S-T-A-A-D, if I'm not mistaken.

Stod. Go ahead. That reminds me of Djibouti, I think it's pronounced, except it starts with an N. I think a D. Djibouti starts with a D. Oh, you're right. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, Neil, I remember when we used to do the show, you used to do crossword puzzles. Did I? Yeah, I've gone through phases. Yeah. The New York Times, probably. Yeah. crossword puzzles. Did I? Yeah, I've gone through phases, yeah. The New York Times, probably. Yeah, and you would do, I remember, I never, I suck at spelling, and I also suck at crossword puzzles, but would you ever get to, would you ever get to the Sunday one? Have you ever, you know what I mean? Like, I hear the Sunday ones are the real hard ones, Monday it gets easy,

and then as the week goes it gets more difficult. You're asking if you could finish a Sunday is what you're asking. I'm asking how deep into the week would you get because I know there were times where you would, you know, I remember asking you one, you'd be like, oh, this is from like a couple of weeks ago. Hmm. Oh, really?

Well, that's, you know, it depends on how hard you work. Sometimes you just pick it up for 10 minutes and go on about your day. But I haven't done one in a long time. But, yes, I used to complete most of the time the same day, within an hour or two. Okay. I can't do it. I was always jealous of people that couldn't. I think at least what I know to be true, is that actually Saturday is the hardest day. Sunday is the big puzzle. Sunday is like the supersized

puzzle. It's not necessarily harder. So it builds to Saturday, and then Sunday is a bigger one, and Monday is the easiest. I feel like I have maybe done a Monday. I remember somebody saying that to me and being like, oh, okay, let me get the one on Monday. I just don't know enough stuff. And then I realized you had to read the paper, too. You also didn't know a lot of trivia. I mean, I could do it if it being like, oh, okay, let me get the one on Monday. I just don't know enough stuff. And then I realized you had to read the paper, too.

You also didn't know a lot of trivia. I mean, I could do it if it was like, you know, three letters, star of a sitcom, alien puppet. That was a nice callback. Thank you. Thank you. That means a lot to me. We barely talked about the episode, but we should talk about the St. Elsewhere cast that was visiting in this.

Did you guys, either one of you watch St. Elsewhere back in the day? I did. Denzel. Was it Denzel's first role? I don't know if it was his first role, but I know he was on St. Elsewhere, him and Howie Mandel.

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. What's the theme song like? Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- that, something like that. Yeah. That sounds very familiar. I visited the set once. My parents watched it. I believe it was Bruce Paltrow, Gwyneth Paltrow's father, who was a very big showrunner then, who produced it with others. And my dad knew someone,

we were visiting LA, and my dad knew someone, we got onto the set. It was like the first real big TV set. Interestingly, I'm thinking about this out loud, the first real set I ever visited was a hospital set, which was St. Elsewhere.

And I think it was beyond my... It was too old for me as a child, but I remember my parents really loving it. Joelle just told me that Denzel made his feature film debut in the comedy A Carbon Copy. And then he was... That was 81, and then he was cast in the so it's the second part probably um um and he's on he was on st. elsa 82 to 88 that'd be cool to go back and watch a young

denzel on on that well he's been the crazy thing is he's barely on the show like he was one of the yeah you know they didn't use him a lot on the show uh and which was which turned out to be great for him because he would be able to go and do movies instead of, you know what I mean? They were like, well, you're not on the show this week. And he'd be like, oh, okay, well, there's this dude doing this project. I'm going to sign on and do it then. So I remember Cry Freedom coming out. Oh, I remember that movie. You know what I mean?

Him and, oh, man. That's an amazing movie if you haven't seen it. Cry Freedom. Cry Freedom. Him and Oh, I remember that movie. You know what I mean? Him and... That's an amazing movie if you haven't seen it. Cry Freedom. Cry Freedom. Him and Fish Call Wanda. No, was it the Fish Call Wanda? Kevin Kline.

It was Kevin Kline. Yeah. And so I remember they did... I remember that came out and I remember being like, holy cow, the dude from... And this is when my parents were informing me,

no, this guy is an amazing actor. He's done... he did theater in new york you know what i mean he's now blowing up as an actor you should really check out uh if you because you know i wanted to be an actor at an early age they were like denzel washington and they showed me cry freedom and i remember being like oh my god this is the most amazing movie ever yeah that was incredible and uh and i was very young when that came out I don't know, and then you know From that Mississippi Masala And you know, The Mighty Quinn

And a bunch of other movies Wow And then Glory eventually Of course, Glory was One of the first times as a child That I knew who he was And I had just never seen a performance Better than that performance in Glory

By the time Glory came out, I was well-versed in Denzel Washington. Go ahead. I was just going to say that, for me, William Daniels is the voice of Kit. Yeah, Knight Rider. And when

William Daniels started speaking in this episode, I had forgotten. I went, oh my god, it's Kit. William Daniels was the voice of episode, I had forgotten. I went, oh, my God, it's Kit. Yeah. William Daniels was the voice of Kit. I never watched that show. Oh, yeah? You never watched Knight Rider?

Not one time. He's a little bit older than us, so Donald and I were right in the pocket for A-Team and Knight Rider. Did you ever watch A-Team? No. Oh. Or the Dukes of Hazzard? No. Never watched, well, you know.

I went to Universal Studios. That's a hazard no never mind well you know i went to universal that's a whole new that's a whole new show when i was a kid we went to universal studios the tour and they had a night rider car and you could get in it and the car would talk to you and it was amazing in hindsight as an adult they obviously had a hidden camera and a guy somewhere but as a child i was like holy, holy shit, it's Kit. And I just remember thinking he was the coolest, and he would say things to try and show off that he could see you. He'd be like, I like your blue shirt. And I'd be like, oh my god, Kit!

But it wasn't William Daniels sitting in some room somewhere. Probably not. No, I don't think they paid his rate. Did he go on to do Boy Meets World after all of that, after Knight Rider and everything? Wasn't he like the next door neighbor? William Daniels? Yeah.

Yes, but I don't know about Boy Meets World, but certainly it would have been after St. Elsewhere. Wasn't he, I think I'm mixing him up with somebody else, but wasn't he in The Graduate? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. He might have been Dustin Hoffman's dad.

The one who says plastics? Is he the one who says plastics? No, but that's in their yard. That's right. That's a neighbor, right? Or a friend. Yeah. I can picture him saying Benjamin.

Benjamin. And if it's not him, it? Or a friend? Yeah, I can picture him saying Benjamin. Benjamin? If it's not him, it's an actor that... Oh, Joelle's checking. Reminds me of each other. I'm seeing her unchecking face. And then Ed Begley. Ed Begley, and also Stephen First, who is famously in Animal House. Yeah.

Have you seen Animal House, Donald? I have seen... Yes, I have seen Animal House. I saw Animal House the night before I left for college. Was college like Animal House for you? Did it live up to it? Well, you know, it wasn't quite the same, but I did join a fraternity probably influenced by that somewhat. It seemed like they were having fun.

Yeah. Did you toga? I don't think we ever did a toga thing. That would have been a little too on the nose. Dude, what's up with the zombie movie all of a sudden in the middle of this episode? Out of nowhere, it turns into a zombie movie. I know. It was Mark Buckland directing, I remember.

And I remember it was kind of like a wide-angle lens and trying to do all sort of a zombie film. I thought that was weird, too. Did you notice it? Sorry, I'm going, I'm jumping around, but at seven Oh three, I don't know if you noticed this,

but the score all of a sudden has like record DJ scratching in it. Did you notice that? I didn't notice. There's like a score cue. Like all of a sudden it's like, no fucking way. Like fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Oh wait.

So, so Joelle is saying that Joel, are you saying that he was in the graduate then? He was indeed. Sorry. Yes. He was in the graduate. Neil, you. So, Joelle is saying that, Joelle, are you saying that he was in The Graduate then? He was indeed. Sorry. Yes, he was in The Graduate. Neil, you're right. Okay.

All right. There you go. William Daniels. So, in this episode, you know, JD's all worried that he has gotten sick from, and I remember when I was a kid, I just felt invincible. You know what I mean? And I remember when I was a kid, I just felt invincible. You know what I mean?

And, you know, even with things that I shouldn't have been doing, where I should have been using protection, I felt, like, invincible. Like, you know, motorcycles, whatever it was. Where I should have, you know, wore a helmet, I didn't. You know what I mean? And because of that, I got a lot of kids. But the thing is, I don't feel that way. Are you using a cryptic analogy because your daughter is on your lap? Yes.

I see. I followed it now. Yeah. You didn't wear a helmet when you were on your motorcycle. Absolutely. Right. But the fear of disease or hurting myself in any way never came across my mind. You didn't think about things like that.

Now I have nothing but fear when it comes to that stuff. You know what I mean? And it's, it's, I, I, I noticed that I've, because of the situation that we're in and,

you know, because of isolation and, and quarantine and everything like that. I treat people a lot differently because of that. And Ted, the lawyer, does that to J.D. at one point where he's like he's trying to play it off where he is, you know, things will be fine. And then he's like, hey, don't you want your pin back? J.D.''s like hey don't you want your pin back jd's like don't you want your pin back and the little and ted's like you know keep it yeah and that's kind of how i am now you know what i mean like when when the we get groceries delivered now they knock on the door i'll wait a minute before i go to the door to just to make sure that the air around the door isn't, you know, like if we were in a room right now and Neil, you would have coughed like that.

I'd be like, you OK, man? I know. I was coughing last night and I was like, oh, my God, my girlfriend must totally think I'm sick. I don't know if you guys are conscious of that. You're like you. Now you cough in public and you're like, no, no, I'm fine. No, no, no, no. I'm fine.

I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah. In my throat and and that's you know this episode you know everybody needs first of all everybody needs to first of all chill out you know what i mean i know that this is a very dangerous and scary time for us and everything like that but you're you're always jumping to the worst case scenario you know what what I mean? You have a feeling in your foot, you jump online, and the next thing you know,

you've got GERD. You're telling everybody, oh, I've got a gout. You know what I mean? It's not GERD. GERD is something in your digestive. If you have GERD on your toes, you're fucked.

Yeah, you're fucked, right. But you know what I mean? I don't know if everyone's like that, Don. You and I might be neurotic and looking everything up and thinking we've got something bad, whereas other people might be like, no, I'm fine. I don't know that many people that think that way. You know what I mean? I think there's a fear.

We talked about this earlier. There's a fear of going to the hospital and finding out that something's wrong. So I think a lot of people, when something does come up, they're like, ah, you know what? I'm not going to find out about it. it's really bad it'll kick my ass later on and then i'll have to go to the hospital and they'll fix it then but you know for jay for for me personally nowadays this what this episode did for me when watching it was like it made me realize i have a real phobia when it comes to germs now and i have a real phobia when it comes to germs now. And I have a real phobia when it comes to other people's germs now. And it has a lot to do with what we're going through.

But I didn't have that shit when I was a kid. I wasn't afraid of things like this. You know what I mean? There were people that got stuck with needles. When we were doing the show, there were a couple of people that accidentally got stuck with needles fucking around with the props. You know what I mean? Thinking, oh, this is fake. That would have freaked me out.

I would have lost my shit. Nowadays, I'd be like, I'm dying. I know I'm dead. Sarah was the only person that I knew. Sarah Chalk was the only person that I knew that was like, if she had the chills, it was life or death. I'm dying. I know I'm dying.

You know what I mean? It must be a real thing i mean well how terrifying for for real medical personnel who who get stuck i'm sure on occasion um the person had something serious how how scary that would be we're walking around the house don't get sick and don't break your leg don't get hurt you know what i mean the kids are playing around everybody calm down we don't want to go to the hospital right now now's not the time to go to the hospital yeah that's right well really there's you know it's never a good time to go to the hospital but uh yeah i thought about that like if you had a um appendix right i was gonna say ass cheek

yeah i'm gonna have my ass cheek removed but it was an elective surgery turns out out, so I couldn't have that done. But yeah, you don't want anything to go wrong. Well, we'll see in the next week or so if any of this people crowding around each other is going to happen. Turns into something. Well, I actually have said, not to be Debbie Downer towards the end of the episode, but that things are spiking back up in L.A. And no one's talking about it because there's plenty else going on in the news, as we all know. But I read some articles like, why is no one talking about the new COVID spike in Los Angeles?

I think there's spikes in a lot of places. But New York is going down so much that it looks like a flat line for the country. Oh, you mean like the national line, yeah. Yes, yes. Well, yeah, I fear that everyone's kind of over it. You know, people are like, all right, we did that. Fuck it. We got to get out of the house now.

And that might be fine if you live in a place where this isn isn't as prevalent but in la it does appear to be climbing back up and the only reason why we're talking about this right now we know we try to get you away from as as listeners and uh we try to keep this as a distraction a distract as much of a distraction as possible but this is in the story yes you know what know what I mean? And so that's why we- That's why, guys. It's in the episode. And so, you know. What about Scott Foley being left?

I mean, listen, and Joelle, please weigh in as the only female on the panel, but Scott Foley being left alone by Sarah standing there with his roses, it just felt a little like, just so mean. I mean, with Elliot, she found love and, or not love necessarily, but she really liked this guy. He's about as charming as a human being could be.

He looks like Scott Foley. She's like, she leaves him, she leaves him at the door. It looks exactly like Scott Foley. She leaves him at the door. I mean, I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think, okay. So I didn't get into movies from the seventies until like I was in college. This was sort of my first experience watching a woman be like, listen, I like you,

but this career I've invested in is everything to me. And so we have to pause. Cause it wasn't even like a solid breakup. She was like, right now I can't make this work. And I, like, as a, you know, when did this come out? 2001? So I'm like 12. And and I like as a you know when this came out because once I'm like 12 and I was like you could just leave a dude for work it was brilliant to me I was having still didn't like boys at that age and I was like oh so tedious and so for her to just be like I'm gonna work on my stuff I was like this is brilliant oh my god I really like this scene oh I okay there you go there's the answer I I was like I mean I was impressed by the character making that choice because the writers really went out of their way to make sure there was

absolutely nothing wrong with this guy. I mean, he was as dreamy as it could be, but she was getting distracted from her work. And she was like, look, I really am excited about this, but this is what I've worked my whole life for. So I got to push you away, which I- He's not gone though, is he? No, he comes back. He does come back. But I don't know that she was distracted. I think it was how the hospital reacted to her

and the walk of shame in the beginning of the episode. I think that was more of a reason for her to break up with, you know, Elliot is very worried about what everyone thinks about her. That's what the character that's how the character is you know she you know she even says in the beginning and 99 of my life is me trying to impress my dad you know what i mean and and so i think when the walk of shame thing happened and everyone made fun of her i think that's that's you know it sent her down the rabbit hole and she spiraled. And that's why.

But he was also, it wasn't just that Donald. She, you know, Kelso's like grilling her and she doesn't know the answers to questions at rounds where she always does. And then she starts getting in her head. At one point she's like, she can't think of something. And I'm like, I turned around. I'm like, come on, you know that. She's just, she's tired maybe because she was up all night playing school girl. Right. She's tired maybe because she was up all night playing schoolgirl. Right, but I think that stems from, once again,

Kelso seeing her at the scrubs machine and giving her shit for not having her scrubs that day. You know what I mean? I think, I don't know. I could be wrong. I don't know. It's probably both, a combination of both. But anyway, we all know the spoiler alert that Scott Foley comes back.

He ends up being an animal. Is he a marine biologist or an animal trainer at SeaWorld? Something like that. But what a great scene that was, though, too, man, where they break up. Because it looks like it's going one way, you know, and there's a great misdirection, right? You see her breaking up with him earlier in the script where he comes to visit her. And she's like, and he's doing all the right things.

And she's getting pissed off that he's doing all the right things. And then she comes out at the end. And it seems like she's gotten over all of the all of the bs that she was holding on to because of her walk of shame situation and then in the middle of it she discovers wait a second it's not just that i am distracted because of how perfect you are and now's not the time for me to be distracted now's the time for me to be the the best i possibly can be so that in a couple of years in a few years i I can find another, I can find a guy just like you and do it all over again.

And this time for keeps. And I feel, and I, the, the way they both play the scene is perfect because it really does feel like, uh, Sean is hit by a Mac truck because he doesn't see it coming. You know what I mean?

He sees it as, okay, she had a bad day. I'm going to bring her flowers and cheer her up. Yeah. And now she's walking back into the hospital and I'm standing here with a dozen roses. I felt bad for him. I'm such a sucker for, the writers really know how to get me with, you know, love that cannot be. I'm like, oh, this poor guy.

He's like crazy about this girl. He's standing here with roses and he's like, he goes, I'm going to wait here because I know you're going to change your mind in two minutes. And she's like, I hope so.

And then she doesn't. He's just. And then he trashes the roses. Well, do you think he trashes the roses or he leaves them and people just walk all over him? I couldn't just figure that out. Yeah, I just thought of that.

When I first saw the roses, I thought, eh, come on. That's a little bit of a hissy fit. Yeah. Like he was jumping up and down on them. Yes, yes, stomping on them. But the only reason I know that he doesn't disappear,

well, come to think of it, oh, no. The last episode, I guess, of season one is somebody's wedding. Is it Turk and Carla? No, we don't get married until season three, I think. Well, then... Or the end of season two. When we were shooting that episode, he was there.

In the last episode of the season? At your wedding. Yes. Was he at Elliot's date? I don't know. There's so many fans right now that know this show better than us. They're like like you idiots he's an episode and this one and this one this one but we don't know oh yeah let's ask the wiki guy all right so neil we have this guy his name is um trevor guy trevor wiki um we have a question

how many more episodes is scott foley in and was was he, did he attend Donald and Carla's wedding? Hey guys, Scott Foley appears in 12 episodes over seasons one, three, and eight, including Turk and Carla's wedding reception

in the season three finale. All right, we got to wrap this up, guys. Neil, I'm sorry to keep you so long. We've been going an hour and 45, six minutes. It's okay.

I enjoyed it. I hope you had a good time just shooting the shit with us. We miss you. I hope you had a good time just shooting the shit with us. We miss you. We miss you big time. We'd love to have you back, too, if you ever want to come back and hang out with us. Yeah, I will, because this was fun, but I thought we would talk about me more.

So about halfway through, I got kind of bored. Oh, he checked out. Until we started talking about the night terrors guy out at the foot of his bed. Paralyzed sleep demon. Against the glass, by the way. Donald, remember we were speaking about that rap song, Sir Mix-a-Lot, Put Him on the Glass.

Put Him on the Glass, baby. Yeah, his nightmare is Alf putting him on the glass. Yeah, that would do it for me, too. That'd be a rap for me, too, man. Now I have the visual of Alf putting his breasts on glass. Or his tail penis. Or his tail penis. On that note, thank you everybody for listening.

We really appreciate it. Follow Donald and I on Instagram, especially Donald because he doesn't have as many followers as I do. He's very upset about it. I am very upset about it. We even talked about it on the podcast, and my shit hasn't moved. It hasn't moved.

Don't yell at people, Donald. It's not a way to end the podcast. I just don't. I think it's disrespectful. I think it's disrespectful. Okay, calm down. I was in Clueless, damn it! Oh my god, I was in Clueless, damn it. You guys, follow Donald and also please rate our podcast. Give us, you know when you get out of an Uber

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It's paid for by advertisers playing ads, and you can listen to it anywhere for totally free. Yes, Don, what were you going to say before you lead us in song? I was going to say, and, you know, we'll have Neil back on, and we'll talk about more things. I wanted to get into the fugitive. I wanted to talk about that. Let's save it. Maybe he has a story about Harrison Ford being difficult.

Just save it. All right, thanks for listening. He's worked twice with Harrison Ford, though. He's worked twice with Harrison Ford. though. He's worked twice with Harrison Ford. That's right. He's my buddy. Once in The Crystal Skull and The Fugitive. Yeah, for one day each time.

Right. Well, one scene you had way more lines than just Kimball. Yeah, that's right. Was that all it was? Kimball. Yeah, it was more in the script. Not much more, but I was wondering which take they would use when I saw the film. I wonder when

I'm saying, now back up, come toward me, let me see your hands, you know, all that stuff. And I see the movie and it's, Kimball, bang! He's cut straight to the shot. Well, Neil, you're in what I consider a classic, so that's just cool to me.

It is a really good movie. It's a great movie. It is, right? I recently rewatched it, and it's so good. It holds up. Oh, it holds up. It's so good. All right, Donald, lead us in song.

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