Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 2023: My Hard Truths with Jillian Turecki

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

On this week's episode, Zach and Donald talk to relationship expert Jillian Turecki who delivers some hard truths and impactful quotes to singles seeking a lasting relationship. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bye. Hi, this is Shannon Doherty, host of the new podcast, Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. So in this podcast, I'm going to be talking about marriage, divorce, my family, my career. I'm also going to be talking a lot about cancer, the ups and the downs, everything that I've learned from it. It's going to be a wild ride. So listen to Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Left you a little something before the show started, Daniel.

Oh, that's lovely. I can't wait to hear it. Hi, everybody. How are you? Very well, yourselves? We don't have Joelle today. She's doing something. No, Joelle. Who am I going to talk about Ahsoka with? I thought today was the day. Daniel, you really have to raise the bar today.

You have to be all things Joelle and all things Danil. Oh, goodness. What a high bar, but I will do my best. I promise. Do you feel confident speaking for the LGBTQ community? You have already failed, Danil, as Joelle. Sounds like a noel sounds like a no sounds like a no daniel donald you're finally oh i think this is our first podcast since you're allowed to talk about whatever bullshit star wars shit you want to talk about well first of all eat these bowls eat these balls zach there it is of all, there's that.

But second- Go ahead. What do you love? Ahsoka? I do love Ahsoka. I'm not going to lie. I loved it so much that I still watch it now. I've watched every episode except for the first two. The first two is backstory.

I didn't need to necessarily know it. Everybody else did, but I'm one who kept up with Rebels. I didn't know that Sabine and Ahsoka were, you know, training as Padawan and Master, Master and Padawan. But, you know, I didn't need all of the, we've got a map to find Ezra's story. Fuck that shit. Let's get right into it.

Let's go get this boy. Could someone watch this show if they don't know Star Wars, all the different chapters and lore? If you like Star Wars, this is the show for you. If you're somebody that's like, I don't give a shit either way,

this isn't for you. No, but I'm saying if I haven't watched everything, I'm like, okay, I'm going to try Ahsoka. I don't know the whole, everything that'm saying if i haven't watched everything and i'm like okay i'm gonna try ahsoka i don't know the whole everything that's happened could i watch you i don't necessarily think these people exist this person that you're talking about right now well it's me it's me i don't watch all this there's no way i know vader sorry spoilers i know vader was luke skywalker's father okay what else do you know what um i know that they can um

they have powers and they can make um like like a stormtrooper go these aren't the droids i'm looking for right yeah do you know about any systems that you want to talk about the dagobah system there it is actually we were in vegas this weekend and i was asking donald what is the way i was trying to ask him some trivia i said which planet has the most star Wars action taking place on it? What was your answer? Tatooine. Tatooine.

It's in everything. And then I asked him if they ever revisit the one with the Ewoks, because I like that planet. It was very pretty. Endor. And you said, no, they don't go back to Endor. Well, you know what? These are the questions I was asking

them as you walked the casino in the rise of Skywalker the planet that they're on where the Death Star is in the water yeah that's in the that's in the same system as Endor obviously because I'm so proud of your knowledge it's in the same system right well it's I don't know if that was Endor but it's definitely in the same system because I just like saying Dagobah system. I know you love that word. I live the Dagobah system and my jetpack is

out of juice. Donald and I went to F1 in Vegas. It was a lot of fun. Are we allowed to talk about the things that we witnessed this weekend? Other than cars? Who we met? Why this weekend. You mean who we met? Other than cars. Who we met?

Other than cars. Why would that be a secret who we met? Who did you meet? Do you want me to be the one to tell him? You tell the story. I want to make Daniel jealous. Yeah, you tell the story. I'm already jealous.

I saw the Instagram stories. I was like, of course. You tell the story of who we met. You tell the story. You already met the person and then who we ran into. Well. And then who we ran into at the career. I'm friends with Jared Land who created the RED camera.

This man is a brilliant mind. And for those of you who don't know, the RED camera is one of the most common cinema, digital cinema cameras that's used. Some directors swear by it, like David Fincher, for example. And it's a brilliant camera. I own a low-end, small version of it called the Red Komodo, and there's all different levels of the red. It's a really amazing camera. Anyway, I'm lucky enough to be friendly with Jared Land,

who created it, and he was at F1. And he said, come by, we're in this suite. And I knew who he was with. And I said, donald come with me because i have a little surprise for you and donald was coming back from the bathroom he's like what are you doing i said just follow me oh man and we went to this suite and it was in a really good location for watching it yeah that shit was like pod racing, man. For real, for real. That shit. I got there right away.

When they take off, the first lap is some bullshit. I guess it's the pole position. Let's get into position. Oh, right. Yeah, the formation lap. I think it's the heating up the tires, Donald. They do a lap. Yeah, the formation lap. Whatever that shit is.

That's some bullshit. You didn't like that. You didn't like the formation lap. That wasn't exciting to me. I don't think it's meant to be exciting. It's not the start of didn't like that. You didn't like the formation. That wasn't exciting to me. I don't think it's meant to be exciting. It's not the start of the race. It's not the start of the race. Okay.

But the start of the race right away, accident. Boom. Right away. Yeah. Right away. Yeah. Turn one. I felt bad for that guy.

We were at the start and the finish. Yeah, we were right above where they do all the, you know, where they pull into, what do they call it? The pit stop. We were right above the pits. Which leads me to my next story. So, we walk and we go to the suite and we come around to bend and my friend

Jared is very tall and he's in a pink hoodie, so I see him and he's... No, let's talk about how we first, they wouldn't let us into the suite first oh yeah because he was like he was like just come here just get in i go how am i gonna get in it's like the owner's suite he's like he's like you guys are famous you'll be fine i'm like well i don't know if that's gonna work so at first we walk up and because we had we were there with t-mobile so we had t-mobile uh ids and they were like no no no you can't get in here and i was

t-mobile was also sponsoring the race. Right. But anyway, so then another woman who worked there came up and she did recognize Donald and I, and she was like, told the other woman like, no, no, they're fine. They're fine. She said, who are you looking for? I said, I'm looking for my friend. He's in a, he just told me that he's in a, like a hot pink hoodie.

And I was like, okay, so she helps us look at him. We can't find him. We're looking around, go outside. We come around to Ben and there in the corner, waiting for Donald and I was like, okay, so she helps us look at them. We can't find them. We're looking around. We go outside. We come around to Ben, and there in the corner, waiting for Donald and I, is David Fincher and Brad Pitt. What? Yeah, watching the race, ready to watch it with Donald and me. Whoa.

It was cool, right, Donald? Wow. I was worried, because on the way there, Donald was saying like, if Brad Pitt's really there, I'm going to ask for a selfie. And I go, don't ask for a selfie. No, I did not say that. You did say that. You may have been kidding.

You may have been kidding, but you were like, I'm going to ask for a selfie for Casey. And I go, don't you dare ask for a selfie. That's going to be embarrassing. And then you held it together. You didn't ask for a selfie. That's going to be embarrassing. And I was like, and then you held it together. You didn't ask for a selfie. I kept it together very well, actually. I was on my best behavior.

So then we come around to Ben. There they are. And Donald, thank God. We're both chill. Yeah, we were cool. There was one time in my life where Zach and I met someone where we were like, holy shit, he looks just like he does in the movies and stuff. And it was when we met Benjamin Bratt.

And this is back in the early days of Scrubs. I think this is season one and we got invited to a party. But this is way cooler. No offense to Benjamin Bratt. Ben, I love you, bro. Even though I called you Emilio once accidentally. I love you, bro. Friend of the show.

No, it was cool, man. And Brad is just as handsome in person as I met him a long time ago, but he was so cool. He looks like he does in the movies, man. He does. My wife was like, my wife, when I told Casey about it, she was like, he's handsome, ain't he? And by the way, he looked so cool.

Like he wasn't like, you know, it wasn't in a hoodie. He had like a fucking fit on. He looked cool. Yeah. And then Fincher also, man,

that was also. And Fincher was awesome. And I got to tell him I loved his new movie, which I did. I recommend seeing The Killer. It's really cool. It's on Netflix.

And then Donald and I just acted cool. Like we were chilling with the three of them for a little bit. Right, Donald? We held it together. We did. We talked shit. We found out why they were there and what they were doing.

It was cool. It was really awesome. And then Zach's like, yo, look, man, we're going out tonight. And this is around midnight? It was probably around 1130 midnight, yeah. And I'm like, I want

to gamble, bro. Let's go play. Let's go play the tables. He's like, nah. Let's go out. And we're hanging out with Common. We're hanging out with the head of T-Mobile. We're in the suite with all of our people. You know what's cool that you missed

Donald was Ryan Tedder. Klugman's there. Klugman. Klugman's there. Andrew Panay's there. All of our people are there. We're amongst our family, our crew. And I'm like, and Zach's like, they're like, let's go here. And Zach's like, no, we're going to go here.

And I'm like, dude, we're with the posse. And he's like, no, we're going to go here. And I'm like, dude, we're with the posse. And he's like, no, we're going to go here. And he's insistent. Well, if we were going to go, we were in Vegas, right? And we had already, I had already been crushed at Blackjack. Like, I don't know, Donald, if you won or not, but I got fucking crushed. I didn't win anything. Yeah.

You know what I won? I won a nice little Gucci outfit. That's what I won. Well, I got crushed at Blackjack. So I was like like let's go to one party and we went it was so crowded so we like stayed for like 25 minutes it was so packed it was uncomfortable um but we had fun man we had a good time didn't we and um and you know f1 is awesome but it really the funny thing and i know i'm not the only one who says this is it's cool to go watch

them go but you really have to watch it on TV. Everyone's in the suite watching it on TV. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I liked watching them go by to zip zipping by watching the car zip by in front of a monitor with Brad Pitt and Fincher. Yeah. And Jared Land. That was the dopest part. Yeah, that was cool.

Of anything. And I didn't mind them just zipping by for that brief. Well, what's also cool is that Brad is in, I call him Brad now. Brad is in that F1 movie. So he was like saying like insider shit because he knows it all because he's, you know, making an F1 movie. That was cool. That's so cool. You know what?

You know what being there does show you when the cars are just zipping by when you watch it on TV, it really makes it seem like people are closer than they are. But when you're watching the race live, you're really like, wow, Max Verstappen is really far ahead of everybody. Yeah.

Just like zips by. And then 15 seconds later, someone else zips by. It's like, oh, wow. Yeah. On TV,

on TV, it seems like they're, they're closer, I guess. But it's not that far away. Like, when you say, like, he's that much ahead, it's like tenths of a second, though. It's like... But you have no context. When you're there, if you're just watching,

you have no context of what's happening. Actually, when we went with Fincher and Pitt and Jared, they had the perfect setup because they were outside of the suite on a ledge, but then they just had a monitor right there. So you could easily watch both. Most people go out and check it out for a second, and then you go in the suite and watch it on TV. Cause otherwise you just have no idea what's going on.

But it was cool. It had the perfect setup and it was right in front of the pit. No pun intended. No pun intended. No, no, no, no,

no, no, no. That's what you hear. Literally. Anyway, I was trying to say Donald, but the night before you came,

um, Ryan Tedder, um, sang in the suite. And he did this medley of his songs. And I had no idea how many fucking hits he's written. Too late to apologize. Do you know that he wrote Halo for Beyonce?

Wow. I did not know that. Remember these walls were built. And dealing in a tumbling down. And he wrote a song. He these walls we built? And doing the tumbling down. And he wrote a song. He wrote one of Adele's mega hits. He wrote, I mean, he wrote so many, a Miley hit. Like, he's got so many hits.

Stop and stare. What's the one he had for Top Gun? That was a hot one. Yeah. The one that was hot for the summer. And he wrote As It Was. As it was. I love that song. As it was a hot one. The one that was hot for the summer. And he wrote As It Was. As it was. I love that song.

The guy's a hit machine. And all is just the same. Yeah, and he was really super sweet. And you know what he said to me? What'd he say? He made the best soundtrack of all time. Oh. Hard to agree.

Hard to agree. I liked him even more after he said that i'm gonna say you made the best mixtape of all time why do you gotta fucking well that is i mean i don't know why i'm about to defend that yeah it's a mixtape that's the fucking dopest compliment you could give it that was the dopest mixtape ever all right well today on the show regardless of what type of music you listen to you find something on there not a lot of hip-hop not a lot of hip-hop actually no hip-hop but hey no you know we had the surge in general talking about loneliness and i thought it was a good segue into having someone on to talk about relationships because a healthy relationship can be uh one of the things to contribute to you getting out of your loneliness, one getting out of their loneliness.

I have thoughts. Yeah, you're going to have lots of thoughts. But this woman, Jillian Tarecki, has a podcast, and she's a really incredible person. And we asked her to be on, and she said yes right away. And I think she's going to give us some insightful things on relationships, both if you're in a relationship and like Donald Faison and Daniel Goodman, is that your last name? Nailed it. And also those people out there who are looking to be in a healthy relationship. I recommend following her on Instagram because she drops a lot of knowledge,

lots of good quotes and lots of good little soundbites um i found that you know i have a friend who's um going through a tough time with dating and i i just i found that i was sending her so many of these quotes and i said i should we should try and have this woman on because she just really says some very insightful things about dating so we're lucky that she's here daniel is she here she is here okay let's invite her how about we count in right before about a bunch of docs and nurses so gather around to hear our gather around to hear our Gather round to hear our Scrubs Rewatch Show with Zach and Donald

Daniel, do you feel that you're being your full Joelle at this moment so far in the show? I made sure you guys count in, so so far, yes. Okay. Hey! Hello! How are you guys? So nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Thank you for coming on our show. I really appreciate it. I was just saying before you came in the room that I have a friend

who's going through a really tricky dating time and I have just been blasting her with your quotes on Instagram. Oh, thank you. You're just so, I love the way you phrase things. And we just had the Surgeon General on a couple of weeks ago, and he was talking about loneliness. And I thought a good segue after loneliness would be to have been a relationship expert on, because I just think some of the things that you say, your videos, they're just really, really helpful. And I'm just so glad that you say, your videos, they're just really, really helpful. And I'm just so glad that you said yes to joining us. Well, I appreciate the compliments and the kind words, and I appreciate the invitation.

So it's a big, giant love fest. Can I play one of your audio clips to start us off? Do you mind if I do that? Oh, my God. Yeah. All right. Everyone should follow Jillian Turecki on Instagram. And here's one of her pinned top videos.

Let's see if I can manage the audio of this well enough. Relationships rarely end because of a lack of love. They more commonly end because of a lack of connection. And it's in the absence of connection that people's motivation to meet each other's needs fades. And what causes this lack of connection? Well, it's not so common that it's a big thing, a big event that causes the rupture in a relationship. What's much more common is these little things that get stacked up over time. It's the little micro rejections that happen in a given day or over weeks, months and years. It's the consistently always looking down at your phone when your partner is trying to tell you a story or vice versa.

It's the not the one time you didn't care about their feelings. It's the several times you didn't care about their feelings. It's not the one time that they didn't listen to us. It's the consistent times that we've tried to share something with them and they didn't listen. It's these little micro rejections that stacked over time that really hurts the most and causes the most disconnection. I thought that was great. It's true. So tell us about that. It's so darn hard out there. Let's just use that as a jumping off point. It's darn hard in here too man it's right of course love is so vulnerable whether you're in a relationship or you're not but i just want to use that that that video quote

of you as a jumping off point um tell us about that uh so what you're kind of saying there to me is that relationships um end or fall apart not because necessarily some major thing happened, although of course that does, but a sort of micro erosions of the relationship. Can you speak to that? Yeah, it's a good way to put it. Wait, what did you say? Before we go forward,

but then aren't all relationships doomed to fail because don't we in some way settle for certain things in people that were like, I can live with that. But then over as time as time goes on, doesn't that but Jillian's gonna tell us that we have to do we have to communicate and do repairs. Yeah, I don't think really all relationships are doomed to fail. I mean, if you go into a relationship with that belief, yes, your relationship is doomed to fail. But the truth is, I mean, think about your own lives. And, you know, I'm sure that you all, you both have been in many relationships, I'm assuming, maybe not, but a few. Only one. No, many. Only one. Just

many, many. Both of us have been many, but just for context, Donald is very happily married and I'm single. So you have both sides. Okay, great. So just look back at your past. Have you ever broken up with someone or a relationship ended regardless of who initiated it? And you still love the person? Yes. Of course.

So, yeah. So it's really, it's rarely like people rarely end their relationships because they don't love each other anymore they really end it because they don't feel connected to each other and it's the lack of connection that leads to also a lack of passion so it's not just it's yes so it's part of attraction. But it's it's like. When we don't feel connected to each other, we don't feel as motivated to do the things that we did in the beginning of the relationship. We don't feel as motivated to show up. We don't feel as motivated to communicate. We don't even feel as motivated to have sex. I mean, maybe, but not often like that goes downhill too.

And that is just a symptom of the fact that there isn't a connection. And the thing is that everyone's primary aim in a relationship has to be, how can we remain connected through all the vicissitudes of life and all the craziness and all that what and it could be ruptures that are in the actual relationship itself or just the fact that life fucking happened sorry i'm sorry i have a potty like that curse your fucking ass like a truck driver, you know, that life happens, right? And so how do we stay connected through that? And oftentimes we will feel disconnected from ourselves. We're going through our own shit. We're feeling disconnected from self and we're bringing that to the relationship. So it really is, it's not about a lack of love. It's how do we stay

connected and being aware of the fact that like, it is really easy to reject the person who you love unconsciously. So it's like every time you look at your phone, when they're actually trying to connect with you, there's a, there's a rejection there. And look, sometimes we're going to do that. Our phones are very addictive, but we don't want to make a habit of it. Or it's just like, you know, a really common thing is we get stressed out. And when we get stressed out, we get in our heads. And the more we live in our heads, the more we are emotionally unavailable to our partner. And then a really common scenario is one person's in their head a lot and the other person's like, what's wrong?

And then the person who's in their head is like starting to get defensive. Like, why do you keep asking me what's wrong? Because we get protective of our own bullshit. We get protective of our own stress. We get protective of being in our heads all the time. When really what this person is doing, what your partner is doing, what your lover is doing is trying to connect with you.

And so it does take a tremendous amount of self-awareness to make a relationship thrive. And I think that it is incumbent upon all of us to rise to that challenge because that is what helps us grow. Is the secret sauce communication? Yeah. I mean, that's a huge secret sauce is communication.

But the other secret sauce, which is just as important as accountability, I would say that that really is. Right. Speak more to that. How do you, how do you mean? Because we have to be responsible and accountable for the amount of dysfunction that we bring to a relationship. So people like to play the blame game. And if we're feeling disconnected, we like to create a story about how it's the other person's fault and how it's not our fault. And there is like, there is a magic. It's like the person, the people who are so free with their apology, not in a people pleasing way, but just really like, oh my God, I got to own the

fact that I just hurt you. I got to own the fact that I've been in my head. I've got to own the fact that like, I haven't been as great of a partner to you as I really should be this week. Those are the people who do very well in relationships. Wow. I like that. Taking responsibility. It's very important. That is the secret sauce. It's hard for a lot of people to do that too. That's exactly. It's usually a one-way street when it comes to that. Yes. It's rare that that's a two-way street. Someone has to be reminded or someone has to be told, hey, it's kind of lopsided. From my personal point of view, it's kind of lopsided. And then all of a sudden somebody realizes, oh shit, maybe it is lopsided and then all of a sudden somebody realizes oh shit maybe it is lopsided yeah and and

and also what i've noticed is that sometimes it's you know when it is lopsided it's because someone else feels like the community feels the exact same way the other person does you know yes yeah they feel i don't know betrayed or just unheard or unseen all of those things you know what i mean and yeah it's two people with the same uh with with the same conversation but for some reason there's a barrier in between and they can't get through it it's the crazy yeah that barrier is called the ego that's exactly there it is right but well yeah what happens if you're you feel like you're in the relationship and you're the one who's always taking responsibility for everything you know that's a problem yeah

when you're like when when you feel like in order to end the argument i'm i he or she is always the one who's like okay i just want this argument to be over. I'm sorry. I take responsibility. And they feel like, gosh, the only way out of this is if I take responsibility. That's a problem. Then it warrants a conversation. It warrants a conversation. Look, the important conversations and the hard conversations that have to happen between two people who are either in a relationship or plan to sleep with each other or who are sleeping with each other. Like you have to have these difficult, I mean, most people who are just sleeping with each other don't have the

hard conversations. Most people who are in full blown relationships and marriages don't have the important conversations, but you have to be willing to have these conversations. They're not easy. They're hard. I know I would rather not have them, but you have to just suck it up and put on your grown up pants, whatever, and show up and lead with love and vulnerability. And you would say something like, hey, I love you. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one taking responsibility and it's starting to make me feel unloved, unseen, unheard, whatever, get the vulnerability out. And if that person is just defensive, then you have what you would call a deeper problem in the relationship that would need to be addressed maybe with a third party. I don't know, but these are the things, um, you know, how a couple deals with conflict really determines the quality of their relationship. Like that's it. Yeah. And you know what? You're so be, one would be so wise to figure that out early, right? A hundred percent. I tell people, oh yeah.

I think a lot of people, you know, get involved, you know, my friends that i see and of course i'm sure myself in relationships is you get so you're so high on the newness of it and the excitement of it and the titillation of it and the lust of it that you just go oh the tough conversations fuck it fuck it fuck it yeah i'll deal with that later and then all of a sudden you're in something and and you're stuck and you're fucked because you never, you never said, how are we going to communicate? How are we going to argue?

How are we going? That's why those are the relationships that in very, very quickly. Well, they don't, but I disagree. I think marriage that's okay. Oh yeah.

No, I hear what you're saying about the one year marriage scenario, but I also think there's people who just get stuck in a something and then they're just kind of buried and they don't know how to they don't know how to like how do i have the conversation now like i guess we could try couple therapy if the person's open to it but they they you know it's almost like there should be and it's you know it's funny we had a sex therapist on and she was talking about these guides that people you know the stuff you never knew about sex that you should know about, you know, about men and women and all this stuff. And it's, and it's like, I didn't know there's, there's, there's books about it, but there should be a thing you go through. Like,

okay, let's go through this checklist. This is how we're going to argue. This is how we're going to communicate. This is how we're going to bring up the cringiest thing that we don't want to talk about because you don't, if you don't do that, then you're, then you're, you're, you're into deep and it's so much harder, right? Yeah. I mean, what you're describing is foundation. I've definitely been in situations before where you're in really deep and because of all that lust and you know, that tittle is till is titillation. What is it? Titillation. I just like it because it has titty in it, but titillation. Yeah, exactly. It's a good one. All the stuff like, so there's two things. That lust and stuff in the beginning is, I mean, we know why it's addictive. It's incredibly fun. It reminds us that we're alive. And then you throw in the fact that maybe you may feel a little bored or unfulfilled in life or maybe a little bit lonely.

And then someone comes into your life and then all of a sudden you're reminded that you still have a beating pulse. You're reminded of something inside of you that reminds you of when you were 15 years old. And that aliveness is what we are all seeking on a conscious and unconscious level. And this person brought it to you. But the truth remains that part of like at least my message is that if you're dating, you have to really make sure that you're not a teenager dating. So when you are really enthusiastic about someone, you've got to process that enthusiasm. And you have to go slow, don't play house with a stranger. And I start to like, and you have to build a foundation. And that's the foundation. So yes, to what to your point, a lot of people will go really quickly. And then

they'll realize, oh, my God, we have no foundation, because we're fighting and our fights like we have nothing to return to there's no security there's no safe haven to return to but we're so attached to each other and we don't know where to go from there and it's very hard to move to to look back and and not and then have to build a foundation when you're already a year into the relationship. It's hard. I know. Yeah. Well, a lot of those relationships fail. Yeah. I agree, man. I was just about to say that. I said, it sounds like you're just describing a failed relationship. You know what I mean? Anytime you-

I am. Yeah. You know, that's- Straight up. Yeah. But maybe a really important lesson. So, you know you know it's however which way you look at it so it's a relationship that's not going to last but it's is it a failure well in one way it is in another way hopefully it's a really valuable lesson okay we're going to take a quick break and we come back i want you to tell us because i'm sure lots of people are listening and they go okay

i i i what do i do next time do I, how do I start the conversation? I like someone. I'm so turned on by them. It's fun, but I've fucked it up so many times. What do I do this time? All right, we'll be right back. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful.

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People quit. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. get people quit listen to on purpose with jay shetty on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back all right so for those who who agree with everything you said and are sitting listening to this going amen and preach. What do you say? All right, someone, they're starting something new. They really like the person. The sex is great. They want to continue progressing with it. What do they do to build that foundation of communication? Communicate and go slow. So let me describe a little bit more what I mean by that. So too many people are willing to get naked with strangers, but not have important conversations.

I love that. That's so true. There's two things that she said that are so true. Playing house with a stranger, getting naked with a stranger. Yeah. Within weeks, within days of meeting someone. Weeks, days. Listen, I'm not going to lie. I met someone at a club, and within two days after that, it seemed like we were living together and having sex without condoms. Welcome to the club. Yeah, just doing crazy, dumb shit.

Like, let's go. I know. But you know what you just said that really landed with me is that as humans, we're so more readily ready to be physically intimate than we are to be intimate with our hearts. Yes. And it's. And our vulnerability. And our vulnerability, which is interesting to me because look, obviously there are people

who can more easily detached emotionally from intercourse than there are others. But the reality is if you're a man, you're a woman, you get attached after sex, you don't get attached after sex. There is a reality that we cannot deny, which is that sex complicates feelings, it does, it adds a dimension that complicates things. And I think that people really get into trouble when they bring sex to the table, and they haven't had

the conversations about, hey, what are our expectations around this? Because a lot of people will have sex and their expectation is now we're in a relationship where someone else is like, no, you know? And I think that that's really, really incredibly important. So to answer your question is like someone who just moved quickly all the time in the past, and they want to do things differently, go slow. Wait, I really believe, and this has zero to do with morality. Everyone can do with their bodies what they want to. But for the people who have had the kind of crash and burn relationship before, and they've gotten hurt before, and they want to do things differently, like they really do, wait to have sex and have

the important conversations about expectations about boundaries about about feelings and about you know where you want things to go i think this is what i want to impart so badly on people it's so incredibly important you can only good things can come out of that and a lot of bad things can come out of doing the alternative. You also have the person's attention because the other person who might not be initiating this wants probably to have sex with you. And so you've got their ears. You know what I mean? You can be like, hey, i'm attracted to you too you know

blah blah blah but i'm not doing that anymore uh without without getting to know someone so what let's let's have just let's have a little bit of a chat about what you expect from this and and and what and what all this stuff would have been helpful as a youth you know what i mean this conversation all of these conversations when i first moved to Hollywood, when I first was starting to have sex, all of these things would have been, you know what I mean? Hindsight is definitely 20-20 when it comes to how you take care of yourself and other people's feelings and emotions. feelings and emotions and you know and that's not to say that you that there's anything wrong with having casual sex if that's what's on the what's on the program but you but what sounds like what you're saying is at least acknowledge that um right i think there has to be an acknowledge i think there has to be a discussion about expectations and look you know i'm all for

we're responsible for ourselves, but you know, I have just worked with so many people and there are so many people out there who are in these. I remember I was like, I was interviewed for a podcast and the first question was like, they asked me is, are you in a relationship? Are you single? Or is it complicated? And my answer was I would never be in something complicated in the past when I was younger. But in today, the last several years of my life, like I would not. And I want to help people not be in something complicated because it takes I've seen people completely fuck up their lives being with the wrong person, being with someone who,

who doesn't treat them well, being in the it's complicated scenario. And so I think that if you are someone who wants just casual sex, that's fine, but you have to be really honest about it. And I do think, and this is, this would be an interesting thing. I'd love to know both of your opinions on this is if you know that you want casual sex and then you meet someone who, you know, they want more, but they're telling you, no, no, it's okay because they don't want to lose you. Yeah. You can tell, you could so easily tell yourself the story while they're responsible for them. And they've told me that they're okay with it, but deep down, you know, that they are compromising themselves in some way emotionally by staying in a physical relationship with you. At what point has it become your responsibility to be like, you know what? I really like you, but we can't see each other anymore. Yeah, that's true.

Okay. I think right away, I think the moment that as a grown-up now. No, you can't be. No, listen. As a grown-up now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't be answering as a married guy with kids. You got to answer as when you were single and.

No, that's impossible, man. Come on, man. I was led by my penis. I wasn't led by my brain. Right. I know, exactly. Exactly. But I'm saying you got to give the...

You as a married man of all these years now is going to be like... Well, why don't you give both perspectives? All right. As a married man, as someone... If my wife came to me and said, I want to see other people in... But it but it does i don't want it to be public but i want to have an open relationship uh but i still love what we have going on but

physically i'm not getting what i need or you know whatever it is i and and she would see in my face I'd be like fuck that hurts this is what you want for real yeah you know I love you too obviously you know yeah I shit fuck yeah

you know what because of our love go for it you know wow it's a lot that's heavy but you know what because of our love go for it you know um uh wow it's a lot that's heavy but you know what i love you and she couldn't tell that i'm fucked up right there and she just lets it go at that moment in time she doesn't love me and she was bullshitting and she just wants to go out and have casual sex with someone. And I need to. Well, she definitely didn't love you if she just wanted to have casual sex with you anyway. Well, no, but someone else I'm talking about. Oh, right, right, right.

You know what I mean? She wants to go and have casual sex with someone else. Oh, right. She's already. Oh, I see what you're saying. She's probably already done it already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's felt guilty and now it's like, oh, shit.

Yeah. No, that's not love. Right. That's definitely not love. She's been out of the relationship for a while and i've been oblivious to it right now in my single days if i went to a young lady and was like listen we've been dating for a few months i go to the club with you every night so you see what's out there too. I really do enjoy our relationship.

I enjoy the conversations we have. I am being led by my penis right now, though, and I need to have so much sex it's impossible for me to just, I don't think you can handle where I'm at right now. And she was like, yes, I can. I can. I swear, I can. Just don't leave me.

Just stay. We can do this. I can. I can. I promise you I can. I'd probably be like, okay. Right. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, of course you would. I think a lot of people, those are funny, extreme Donald examples. But on a more day-to-day thing, what you're saying is if you're having casual sex with someone, the odds are that one person in that relationship wants something more. And at a certain point, you're not being a good person by allowing it to continue, right? I think it's about defining what integrity means for you and really defining the kind of person that you want to be and having your values and your principles penetrate. I use that word deliberately based on our conversation, but penetrate every, every aspect of your life. So you, I think you just have to ask yourself, like, am I in, in, am I behaving and acting out in integrity by staying in this relationship that is,

that is clearly not balanced. Like I'm running, I'm running the show. They clearly want more and it's, it's imbalanced. Yeah. And yes, it's the balance. The scale is tipping towards my favor,

but am I, is this who I want to be? Is it kind? It's not kind. I don't believe it is. Or mature. That's what I was trying to say. It's just a maturity. That't believe it is. Or mature. That's what I was trying to say. It's just a maturity thing.

That's what it is. Yeah, it's a maturity thing. That's why the answer is, if you're young, you're not living off of your mind. You're living off your hormones and the dopamine that's being pumped through your body and stuff like that. It's hard to... But there are a lot of middle-aged people, you know, people over the age of 35 who really should know better who are still doing that. And I, I think that at least part of the work that I do is just trying to wake people up to ask themselves questions so that they can show up as just people who they can be proud of.

I know. Listen, I want to just, you just led me to one of your banger quotes that I love because you guys need to follow Jillian Turecki, T-U-R-E-C-K-I, on Instagram because you have so many amazing quotes. And not to diss you, but sometimes I'm like, ooh, who said that? Where did she get that from? And it's her. Yeah, it's all original content no you're great you see really say things i've sent so many of your things to people that need to hear it here's one

i liked and it was once you decide that you're available ready to let love in and committed to building a meaningful relationship with someone you will no longer pursue the attention of someone who isn't available to you. That is true. That is very true. How do we get out of that cycle of pursuing people? There's a classic line in Annie Hall where he's, scandal noted, but he's quoting... We stole that from Pete Holmes. It's funny. He's quoting Groucho Marx, I believe.

But the line in Annie Hall, Scandal noted, is, I would never want to be a part of any club that would have someone like me as a member. Yes, I know that quote well. So how do we get out of that trap of, it's like when someone likes us, we're like, oh, what's wrong with them? I have to go after the person that doesn't want me. That's so unhealthy, but it also feels such a part of the human condition. So there's a couple of things here.

One is there's a self-esteem issue if one is constantly pursuing people who they have to chase. Because it's very different than – and then there's also an ego thing, which I think is something that men feel more, which is, you know, I'm going to chase this woman and I'm going to get her, you know, I'm going to woo her and I'm going to be the hero. And so I think that that's, that's different. I think pursuing someone is different than chasing someone when you're chasing someone, they're running away from you and you're not reading the room and chasing, you know, like pursuing something like there's, it's really an attractive, sexy thing when you're pursuing someone and they're open to you pursuing, right?

They're receptive. And that's the dance. That's the courtship. I know that courtship very well well that's how my wife got me she did the push you away but come here it's a very confusing thing but if you're open to playing that dance it's like a tango if you're open to the yes and the push and the pull if you're open to it it's a lot of fun actually fine it's very fun but it's a fine line between it being fun and being just like hell, right? And not really going anywhere and then starting to feel like, I mean, at some point, you just have

to like grow up and be like, this person is playing games, they're playing hard to get. And I think, you know, I tell, because women have this conditioned belief, if I playing hard to get. And I think, you know, I tell, cause women have this, this conditioned belief. If, if I play hard to get, then my value goes up. It's like, no, you just have to be harder to get. Meaning if you know your value and you're, then you're just not giving your heart. And this goes, this is not just women, but women have been conditioned to believe that you have to play hard to get, but everyone has to know their value enough that they're not just going to give their heart to anyone who's available to them. So the distinction between chasing chasing is the person is really not giving you anything. Maybe they're giving you a little bit of crumbs, but they are not receptive to you.

And they're just, you know, like the movie said, like, they're just not that into you and you keep chasing them. So why do we do that? So that definitely comes from low self-esteem. It definitely comes from the ego trying to, um, you know, we played this game with ourselves. If I just got this person to love me, then I'm validated, then I'm significant. Or if I could be, you know, a lot of people will go for the very troubled person, they'll go for the person with a really big problem, like a drug problem, for example. And they think and their pattern is, and this is unconscious, if I can be the reason for this person's change, then I am worthy. And a lot of people think, you know, and this this is deeper stuff.

They believe unconsciously that they don't really even deserve the love that they really want or it wasn't modeled for them. Like they don't even in their belief system, nowhere is there. Yeah. Like it doesn't actually have to be so hard when you like someone and you choose someone, they should be choosing you back. And that's how it goes. But for the person who's not attracted to someone who's emotionally unavailable, they got a little work to do on themselves. They have to ask themselves the really hard questions like why am i why is this amazing creature before me who wants me i don't want them i want the person who's like not actually that amazing but i projected this whole ideal onto them and i want them you got a little work to do yeah what is that so you're saying just

just just just extrapolate on that a little bit more because you're saying that's a self-esteem issue. So are you implying that the person is lusting or wanting for someone who doesn't want them and has made up a story in their head that they're, that person, when they get them, will make them a better person and they don't feel whole without them? Well, there's a few things. So there's one thing, which is what you're saying is that, you know, a lot of people, we fall in love with our unconscious projections, you know, like a really immature, which, you know, I've been this, so it's not, it's not to diss anyone, but an immature approach to love

is you meet someone and you project an entire ideal onto them. You're like, this is the one she's great. He's great. You know, my life is going to be so amazing. And still, instead of actually seeing the actual person who's in front of you and that's really immature. And that's what a lot of people do. And then there's the, a lot of people who will chase the unavailable. There is this sort of, and, and, and even be repelled by like the amazing person who is available.

There's an unconscious narrative that says what's wrong with them, that they would be into me. They literally think there's something wrong with the person who's actually into them and they will be repelled by that person. Got a little work to do. That's, yeah. It's deep. It is deep.

But you can overcome it with work. You really can. But that's the thing, it's work. And a lot of people don't necessarily want to work on relationships, not at a young age, at least. It's way easier to be like, you know what? I'm good. But people want to be out of pain.

Yeah. We're talking to the people. We're talking to lots of people. But I think we want to address the person who is over that and does want to overcome that. And Jillian is going to solve all of their problems the second they get back from this commercial break. We'll be right back. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful.

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people give up right before they get what they've always wanted to get people quit listen to on purpose with jay shetty on the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts costs. So what kind of work does that person do, Jillian? They want to find love. They don't, you keep saying it's a self-esteem issue. Obviously, I imagine this would help with a therapist, but maybe some people can't afford therapy. They can afford self-help books maybe, but we also have BetterHelp as a sponsor and you can consider. But what work do they need to do if you're having that self-esteem issue? Well, so if you're someone who consistently goes for the people who reject you and you're not open to the people who actually want to love you, and you're not open to the people who actually want to love you, then it starts with asking yourself, it starts with curiosity. I think that people need to just first and foremost become self-aware.

And so the first step, really, honestly, is just being aware of your pattern. Oh, that's my pattern. Like, what is that all about? And then getting really curious about it, about what, you know, one thing that you could do is think about all your past exes that may or people, even if they weren't even totally your exes, but all the people who you've chased in the past, whether they turned out to be relationships or not, what do they all have in common? whether they turned out to be relationships or not, what do they all have in common? What do they all have in common? What is,

is there a certain quality in them that you are really attracted to? Because, and I'm sure that the two of you can attest to this. We cannot deny the influence that Hollywood has had on our conditioning when it comes to dating and relationships. It's like Hollywood tells us how love is supposed to be or we'll have a crush on an actor or an actress and we'll think that's the person that I want. And then we get very stubborn about it.

We have our blinders on and we think, I want this person. I got to get this person. Again, the projection of the ideal. So there's a conglomerate of influences. It could be that you didn't get the love and the attention that you deserved when you were a child. But it starts with asking yourself these questions. Yeah. There's another version of that.

I am well aware that Hollywood has made me very, very attractive to women and that the level of, because before I became famous, the people that were attracted to me were not necessarily the people that are attracted to me now. Like, I remember going to clubs and wanting to dance with young women, and those young women would be like, nah, get the fuck out of here. And then Clueless came out, and then all of a sudden, those women wanted to dance with me and wanted to do more things with me. So I'm well aware of the glow up that Hollywood gives you when, you know, was it the ugly duckling thing? I'm well aware of how, you know, when you're perceived to have a little bit of money or you're perceived to be a little bit cooler. Or if Stacey Dash played your TV or your movie girlfriend. I get how that can freaking make a bunch of people be like, oh, he's kind of cute. Yeah. That shit is real.

That's the other version of it, though, too. You know what I mean? It's like, all right, what if you're out there and you're successful? You have a lot of things going for you. And you run into, there's games in Hollywood. You know what I mean? This is the town of games. I'm going to tell you exactly what.

I'm going to tell, to the celebrity or the rising celebrity who's single and is looking for someone, go for the person who actually does not want to date an actor or celebrity. And go for that person who's extremely skeptical about dating you because of your celebrity. Yeah, Donald, for when you're back out there on the market i'll never be back there on the market i hope i hope i'm listen well you just said that casey's shopping around for uh booty calls uh is your wife a celebrity my wife was a celebrity at one well she's kind of a celebrity okay my wife was a celebrity at one point and she's she she claims that she's not anymore i still think she is oh well of course you'll always be a celebrity okay my wife was a celebrity at one point and she's she she claims that she's not anymore i still think she is oh well of course you'll always be a celebrity in your eyes but so or you can go for another celebrity but if you're gonna go for a non-celebrity go for the

one who's just like yeah i don't know like the fact that you are famous this might be a problem for me all right let's get off fame because most of our listeners are not famous i'm gonna drop it let's just talk about brad pitt listens to our fucking other than brad pitt and david fincher okay let's let's not let's not harry all these people can i drop another uh jillian turecki quote that i like sure okay you want a relationship you meet someone you feel connected to and compatible with. They tell you they think you're great, but they can't be in a relationship right now. You say, okay, I understand. You still continue to date them.

This is what self-abandonment looks like. How are you in a relationship with someone who says they don't want to relate? I don't understand how that works. So there's this term that is frequently used in the zeitgeist right now. And I kind of love it because I think that it describes things pretty well. It's called a situationship. And remember earlier I said about being in something complicated. And this is usually a relationship.

I put this in quotes between two people where it's very imbalanced. Basically, one person wants more and the other person wants less. But because they're not communicating and because they're not able to let go of whatever attachment they have to each other, they continue on. They're in a situation ship. They're in a situation ship. And that really is to recover from that is pretty hardcore because then you really are a compromise. Look, here's the thing, the fear of rejection, the fear of abandonment, the fear of not being enough, the low self-esteem stuff. These are all things that we all grapple with. That's all part of the human condition. But when it really takes

over, when it becomes part of our narrative, maybe that is something from childhood. Maybe that's something that happened because of something that happened later in life. What you start to, and it can be tricky because you can have a lot of, you can have a lot of confidence in certain areas of your life, but when it comes to love, you see it go down. But the reality is, is that this is when people are gambling away their principles, their boundaries, their values, just so that they can either be in a relationship because they feel really lonely, coupled with a belief system that there's no one else better out there. And then they stay in something because, oh, it's better than being alone or, you know, it's better than being alone or you know it's better

than nothing or that or they're or they're eventually going to change their mind or they're exactly or they're eventually going to change their mind and that is the biggest lie ever yeah they're not going to change their mind stay in relationship for for a decade over over yeah or i can change them yeah they're not going to change. No, they're not. And you shouldn't be with someone with whom you think that with whom you believe they should change. You have to love people for who they are. I think that the, I think it's a fair expectation. If you are someone who values growth, that you be in a relationship with someone who values growth as well,

who's going to take a look at their own stuff, who's going to get help, who's going to want to be a better person. And you can't get into a relationship with someone and fundamentally want to change who they are. You either love them all or you shouldn't be with them. Yeah. By the way, I think that that's a crucial thing right there is not projecting onto someone who you think they're going to be. You're meeting and talking with who they are and choose that or don't choose that. But don't get into something where,

wow, they're great. Here, it's going to lead me to another Jillian quote. It dovetails perfectly with this one, which I love. When you fall in love with someone's potential, instead of where they legitimately are now, you'll become their coach, their therapist, their healer, and ultimately their parent. You don't want this this and they don't want it either yeah preach preach it's a really common pattern that's fucking really a good one because i think so many people listening are going right now

so many people listening are going, right now, whether they're checking themselves or they're, or they're the, or they're the person that would, would you just checking yourself right now? That's what, when you go,

you're checking yourself right then and there. Right. So if you're starting something new, if you're, if you're, let's say you're listening and you're in something new or, or thinking about getting out of something, I think that's really important to look at. Like, assume this person's not going to change. Do you want this? You're not signing up to be someone's coach therapist. They don't want that. You don't want that. up to be someone's coach therapist. They don't want that. You don't want that. Exactly. It's a really common pattern where people will date projects instead of people. And there's a lot that goes into that. One is if someone, if you can change them. Okay. So let's say, like I said earlier, if you have a habit of dating someone who dating people who always have like a really big problem, you get a lot of significance

being the same one in the relationship. And so you can be like the, the healer, the coach, and then that boosts your ego. Cause you're like, well, I'm the person who knows what's up. They're not. And not only that, if you don't feel enough as you are, you will get into relationships where you fulfill a role that might be very similar from childhood, like being the fixer, pleaser, helper, healer, coach. And you think, this is how I'm needed. Because if you don't believe that you could really be loved for who you are, you will figure out a way to be needed in a relationship. And it becomes a thing where two people sort of find each other, the broken bird and the healer, whatever, the fixer. And they sort of build a relationship based on this dynamic.

But neither one really ends up feeling very fulfilled. Yeah. Those relationships end too. Yes. Or they last forever. No, they last a really, really long time. And then when they break up and everything like that, everybody is like, you two were miserable for so long. So miserable.

Oh, my gosh. You were horrible to be around. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, look, I mean, I don't know. Some relationships, it's like, here's the reality. The truth is there are some relationships that we could look at from the outside looking in and say, oh, my God, I wouldn't I don't want that relationship. But for some reason, it works for them.

Yeah, it works for them. It's not something that you would ever choose. So it's kind of mysterious. them. It works for them. It's not something that you would ever choose. So it's kind of mysterious, but you know, I think at the end of the day and all roads of our conversation lead to this, who you choose matters. Like there's two things. It's who we are in a relationship, how we show up and who we choose. Those are the two things. Yeah. Because let's be honest. I'm sorry, this is going to be generic, but do people really change that much?

Well, this is a deeper philosophical conversation than you might think. On the one hand, we're always changing. We're always evolving. And on the other hand, there's a lot of people who don't change much at all. I don't mean to say that people can evolve and work on themselves and get better. Of course, I believe in that. But I'm saying you really need to choose the person for who they are when you meet them. Because in the macro, that's, here's another quote, it's not yours, but it's one i like too the same red flags you ignore in the beginning will be the same reason that's you yes god you're fucking amazing this one didn't even have your name on it and i loved it all right i take it back here's another

one from jillian the same by the way people are fucking stealing your quotes. The same red flags you ignore in the beginning will be the same reason it all ends. Yeah. I think my words were a little bit different, but the same red flags that you ignore in the beginning will be the reason why the relationship ends. Yeah. So, I mean, that says it all kind of. It does. You have to choose what you want, not a project, not someone you're going to change at all, and assume they're not going to change. Yes. And, because I think that we can hold two truths at the same time, if you're going to be in a marriage or a relationship that's going to span many, many years and decades,

you also have to get comfortable with the different versions of who that person will become. There was a beautiful quote. This is not mine. And I've, I'm the author of the quote is escaping me, which is tragic, but it's not mine, but it's, but it says, um, to love someone long-term is to attend a thousand funerals of the person they used to be. And so I think that it's both. Yes, you have to, when you're dating, if you can't say this person could never change, and that is okay with me. Heidi Pryde.

Heidi Pryde, yeah. So thank you. I know that quote well, actually. Yeah, Donald is a beautiful one. I keep up in the chat, Donald tried to act like he knew it. Oh, it's Heidi Pryde. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. So I think that on the one hand, we're going to go through, you know, many different variations of who we are. But yeah, I think that for those who are dating and are considering taking their relationship to a more committed stage, you have to ask yourself, if this person were never to change, do I accept them? Yes.

Wholly. Yes. holy. Yes. And don't take on, don't, and, and, and don't take on a project.

That's going to involve trying to turn them into something that they're not. Yeah. That's it's a lot of people do that. A lot of people do that. Yeah. A lot of people try to change each other all the time. And that ends in tears.

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Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about it. Oh my God. We can. Okay. How important is sex in relationships and what is sex in a relationship after a relationship has been when sex is when sex is still fun and you still

enjoy it and everything like that but at some point sex becomes an appointment depending on what your relationship is and that's not always fun at some point. And some points it's not as spontaneous. It's not as exciting. Yes. That's, that's the word I'm looking for. It's not as exciting as it used to be and stuff like that, but you still want to do it and you still want to fulfill and you still want to give and you still want to, you know what I mean? In relationships, how important, like, I feel it's very important. That's me personally. Well, I think every couple is different.

I believe my wife feels it's very important as well. Great. Good. That's good that you're on the same page. But, you know, that, but that's, but there's that also. What is the same page? How do you get on this? You know what I mean? Like when I want it isn't necessarily when I want it isn't necessarily when she wants it. You know what I mean? Like I just heard this for the first time sex and tell me if this is you also, when you get no in a relationship from your spouse, it's not that they're saying no to you. They're saying, no, i don't want it necessarily at this time or that type of sex right now okay so yeah you just asked her like 40 questions but listen listen i had i've been holding it in i've been trying i've been waiting to ask this question you've been waiting to ask a sex question all

right go ahead jillian so It depends on the couple, right? Like three times a week for one couple could be a lot, and for another couple it's not enough. So it really depends on the couple. Not everyone, sex doesn't carry the same meaning for everyone. Again, it depends on the couple. I think that, though, overall, sex is a very important part of a relationship. I think it needs to be discussed. I think it needs to be given freely.

And I think that, look, the sex in the first six months of a relationship is obviously not the same sex six years in. But in some ways it could be better. Like you could do workshops together about like really connecting emotionally and eye gazing and doing, there's so many like fun erotic things that you can do. I think that people get bogged down with stress and they stop doing the things that they did in the beginning

of the relationship. And a really important part of relationship that I think goes hand in hand with sex is playfulness and like continuing to be playful. And what gets in the way of playfulness are stress. Kids, kids get in the way of playfulness. Yeah. Or you can learn from your kids about what play really is and adopt that into your lives. Sure. I understand that it gets difficult with kids, but you just have to make it a priority. You have to make connecting a priority. And, and you have, and like, honestly, there's so many women who have affairs there's more women who have affair who cheat on their husbands than the other way around i was gonna say this too really i didn't know that but this is important what is the woman missing

she's missing the romance right whatever it is but that's important but but this is important because you asked the question about sex. I know. He's a tool. He's a fucking dickhead all of a sudden. He's a cheat. You fucking asshole. I'm going to ruin you. You're dead.

You're over. But at the same time, she could have been doing it the whole time behind his back. Yeah. No, there's a lot of infidelity. Yeah. There's a lot of infidelity. But, you know, I think that foreplay is really, really important. I think staying connected is really important. I mean, these are the things that kind of build up sexual energy. And I think that it's important if it's a man and a woman who are in

a relationship together, there has to be communication because what is going to satisfy the man is not necessarily what's going to satisfy the woman. Most women want the romance. They want to feel connected. Very few women can consistently just do the deed and feel fulfilled by that. So it's all a conversation. But yeah, I think sex is a very important part of a relationship. And I think it's something that you have to pay attention to when you're in a long-term relationship. I think that's where a lot of work has to be done also in relationships. Also the communication about what you have.

Because that evolves also. That's not the only thing that evolves. People's desires and wants evolve. Definitely. And you have to be open to hearing it. And you have to be open to hearing it and you have to be open to saying what you want also yeah and uh you know i think i think i think that's just as important that's what i was trying to say i i i believe i believe communication in all aspects of your relationship if that's if your relationship's the universe,

the planets are little pockets of communication that need to continuously be visited. I'm with you on that. That need to be explored. A hundred percent. A hundred. A hundred percent. I want to just end with one quote. I don't know if this is yours,

but I like this one a lot and I want to know your thoughts on it. The best piece of dating advice i've ever received is this if they like you you'll know if they don't you'll be confused honestly it's all you need to know that's such yes not my quote but that's pretty great right don't you think that's good advice yeah's great advice. Yeah. I think you'll know. If they like it, you'll know. Yeah. If you're confused, if you're listening to this right now, and there's a person you're pursuing or you're hanging out with

or you hooked up a few times and the text conversation and you're confused, that's all you need to know, right? That's all you need to know, but I always encourage people to communicate. I always say, if you're confused, bring up, say, hey, I'm confused. Like, are you into me? Are you into this? Because it does it would seem as though as though you're not right before you before you go. I'm out communicate because I think that there are so many people.

I mean, obviously, young kids, you know, I used to think that like only kids and 20 somethings and teenagers played games. That shit happens till you die, I assume, because I mean, my stepmother's dating in her 80s and she'll tell me about games people are playing. No way. Really? Yeah. You know, they're just not being they're not communicating. But don't all games aren't all games played for sex, though? Isn't that what that means? No, no, I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about you're pursuing someone, and if they like you, they'll communicate, and you'll know if there's games being played and you're confused. What Jillian is saying, step one, openly communicate.

I'm confused. Are you into this or not? But then if it continues, you have all the knowledge you need. Yeah. You got to be out. Never chase. Never, ever, ever chase. No. And never change yourself. Creepy. I like what she said. If she said, I like what she said. If you chasing, if you're chasing, they're running away from you. They're running. They're running. They're running. The definition of chasing is that the person that you are trying to get to is trying to run away. Get away from you.

Trying to get away from you. Exactly. Yeah, 100%. It's confusing, though, because that person running away will still turn around a couple times and give you a little kiss. Right. But if you know who you are, and you're if you know who you are and you're so clear in your center and you're so clear about what you want that game if when it's really played you're gonna be like yeah i'm bored yeah i'm bored because in order for the for the the the dance to be fun you gotta be like you gotta be getting something you gotta be getting something otherwise you're not creating anything.

I know. But I think that there's a part of that game is that the person doesn't just ghost you or just disappeared. They throw little breadcrumbs that are confusing. That's yes. Walk away from that. Walk away from that. Walk away. Everyone, you hear that?

Jillian is telling you this is a message of intervention for you that need to hear this right now the minute you walk away their intent will become very clear though if they were throwing breadcrumbs they'll say whoa whoa whoa but that could be more bullshit games bro it's the same thing

it's what we all do though it's like let's get close no no no not too close let's get close not too close and I think that this is something that a lot of us do do though it's like let's get close no no not too close let's get close not too close yeah and i think that this is something that a lot of us do and it's it's we have to become aware of it never accept crumbs and convince yourself it's a meal yes preach you walk away at the end they might even present the meal they might even be like wait hold on I was trying the legion it is. No. And here's the pie. But that's just game so they can keep you in their fucking stable,

in their quiver. Yeah. It's very, very true. Sometimes it's all right to be a hoe. All right, listen. I've been one. How did you get to that conclusion? I've been somebody's hoe. How did you get to that conclusion?

And therefore, it's okay to be a hoe. What do you mean? Because sometimes, listen, sometimes, listen, I'm all about enjoying yourself and experiencing your life and everything like that and getting out there. I feel in your youth or in your, I don't judge anybody when it comes to how you are sexually. But when it comes to the mind and it comes to the brain and playing games with that, I have a real hard time with that. That's trust issues. And I'll be ready to fight somebody. Right.

Yeah. When it comes to the sexual games, please play on, player. Play on. No, but what Jillian is saying is just communicate. when it comes to the sexual games please play on player play on no but what Jillian is saying is just communicate there's nothing wrong with casual sex if everyone's down with the program and there's communication of course go nuts but it's when you start

misleading people and not being authentic and not having integrity that or lying to yourself lying to yourself saying it's okay when it's really not because you're desperate yeah and recognizing that you're desperate that's something that a lot of people can't do also it's very taboo and i think that i you know i i want to i try to tell people you know we have to everyone has felt desperate before. Everyone.

Desperate. And what is it desperate for? Love. Attention. Yeah. Connection. Touch. Yeah.

Spooning. To be heard. To be heard. But when our desire for love is stronger than our self-respect, that's when we really will betray ourselves. And that's when we look foolish. We look like freaking the Joker. What was that picture of Joaquin Phoenix in the suit with the clown face on?

Yeah. It's the meme that's out there. And the top of it is like when she said she'll be ready in 15 minutes and it's already been two hours and you're still waiting. And he's standing there with the clown suit on. All right, Jillian, this has been amazing. Tell our listeners how they find you and your name, your podcasts. Yeah. So my podcast is Jillian on Love. You can get it, basically anywhere, Apple, Spotify, and my name, Jillian Tarecki. So you can find me Instagram, Jillian Tarecki, TikTok, Twitter threads, you know, my website, JillianTarecki.com.

All right, great. Thank you. You're so helpful. And, and I love your quotes. I think they really, you know, sometimes you stumble across a good quote and it's everything you need to hear that day. And so thank you for, for sharing that with, with the world. I appreciate that very much. Thank you. All right. Thanks a lot. I thank you for for sharing that with with the world i appreciate that very much thank you all right thanks i appreciate you for being on the show yeah me too thank you so much thank you guys that was great by the way yeah it was what i heard was amazing she just she just really drops knowledge that people need to hear and i certainly need to let's take a break we'll be right back after these fine words.

This segment of Fake Doctors. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where the bright side comes in. A new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that's bringing you a daily dose of joy. I'm Danielle Robay. And I'm Simone Boyce. Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters. We've covered the news and we know the world can feel heavy, but the Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new and get into some friendly debates. That's right. Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the bright side.

We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts, and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice, or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions, we'll talk through it all together. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Real Friends is brought to you by T-Mobile 5G Home Internet, protecting you from exploding bills with a price lock guarantee. Visit T-Mobile.com slash Zach to check availability. One day they'll make a Donald one for you. All right, Joelle, go ahead with the letter that you have. Hi, Joelle. I hope that you're doing wonderfully.

I would like to express my appreciation for Fake Doctors, Real Friends, and Share an Idea for the next iteration of Fake Doctors podcast. Thank you to Daniel, Zach, and Donald for bringing fans of the podcast immeasurable joy since 2020. Donald's legendary voice, even while yelling, Zach's passion your infectious laugh and animals humility helped me endure some of the hardest days and nights with my teenage son was a chronic pain condition. My partner and I both work and care for our two boys full time every day. Always. We are a hundred percent dedicated to our boys, but there's very little time for ourselves as individuals or as a couple

scrubs continues to be my favorite comedy. And it is a delightful listen to stories and interviews with cast members. Bill Lawrence's friendly, quote, takeovers of the podcast are so hilarious, sometimes I cannot believe how hard I am laughing while listening. I just really appreciate you all. I imagine you have an amazing idea for what happens after the rewatch of season eight is complete. Yes, my idea is six degrees of Scrubs or something along those lines. The idea centers around the notion that we are all connected by six degrees of people. Zach and Donald could interview really anyone, family, friends, doctors, actors, performers, directors, musicians, producers, crew, artists within six degrees of scrubs.

They could explain the connection and jump an interview. For instance, Taryn Kellum played Jimmy the overly touchy orderly. Taryn guessed it on how i met your mother with jason siegel who starred in forgetting sarah marshall with kristen bell so kristen can be your guest on six degrees of scrubs with fake doctors real friends with zach and donald's best wishes to you all with appreciation laura c that's great this because then it could even be like you know the person who fixed my leg slash his, you know, he's one of the biggest surgeons in California, in the world, actually. Neil Alitrash.

He did my knee. He did Kobe's knee. He did LeBron. He did everybody. You know what I mean? So what you're saying is this gives us a reason to have LeBron on the show because we're two degrees from LeBron? Exactly. You see what I'm saying? Yes. That's reason to have LeBron on the show because we're two degrees from LeBron? Exactly. You see what I'm saying?

Yes. That's how it works. That is a good idea. That is a good idea. I like that. I also love what we're doing. I mean, we're having interesting people of all types. But it's all the same thing, though.

The Surgeon General, I'm sure we can find the six degrees to the Surgeon General. He's two degrees from obama you know what i mean i'm sure we can find the dots that connected that's such a great idea who what's her name laura laura laura c thank you love your idea great idea thank you laura c i mean we'll we will pursue that i just saw t Taron, by the way, in Spamalot. Yes! Dude, he's in that with Jimmy Shmagula. Jimmy Shmagula, I see you in Spamalot, baby.

Doing it big. And Michael Urie and Chris Fitzgerald and lots of people. It's very funny. If you're in New York, I recommend it. They're not in the... Both Michael Urie and Taron aren't in it very long because Michael's going back to the hit show, Shrinking. Yes. But go check out Spamalot.

Yeah, with my good buddy, Jimmy Shmagula. Me and him have known each other since we were kids. All right. And Jimmy Shmagula. Great idea. Thank you for your letter. And please continue to write us letters. You might be chosen to be read on this very podcast.

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and now it's been two airlines in a row, both American and Alaska, and you're trying to get on the Wi-Fi, and it's always, I never remember my Alaska, and you're trying to get on the Wi-Fi. And it's always, I never remember my password, and the shit never works, and it's always effed up. And you've got to pay a fee. Yeah, and then it's just, it's always annoying. T-Mobile has this

new thing on lots of airlines, including Daniel can look up which ones, but I just flew, I fly American all the time, and I just flew Alaska. And literally, if you're a T-Mobile customer, the second you get on the plane, all you do is put in your T-Mobile phone number, and then Wi-Fi is on. It's free. I mean, I said to the guys when we saw them this weekend, that is such a smart thing to do because you've taken something that's so annoying, a little pestery, annoying thing, and you've solved it instantly. And it makes customers like me very happy.

Your airlines are Alaska, American, Delta, and United. There you go. All those airlines, if you're a T-Mobile customer, you just go on and put in your phone number and it's free and that's all you have to do. So there you go. There's a T-Mobile shout out. I was also saying how wonderful the weekend was. We had such a great time and the race was sponsored by T-Mobile and Heineken.

I just want to shout out T-Mobile for one, bringing Zach and I down there, but also bringing Common down, making it so I had the opportunity to meet Brad Pitt and David Fincher. You know what I mean? We're one degree away from Brad Pitt now. He can come

on the show thanks to the new rules of the show. Yeah, Joel, you missed that up top. They met David Fincher and Brad Pitt. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just this weekend. See what happens when you come late to the show, Joel? I'm so sorry. Just this weekend alone in Vegas. That's amazing. I don't know if you

could hear it in my voice, but I am dehydrated. Y'all find it hard? And you didn't get that hammered. No, and I didn't get that. I kept it together because I roll with a sober lad nowadays. You know what I mean? And so I can't get too shit-faced because the last thing I would want is to have to have my friend carry me out of a club because I'm too wasted.

It's nice to wake up in Vegas completely with no hangover. It's not something I did until this age. Facts. Nice. You know what else is nice in Vegas completely with no hangover. It's not something I did until this age. Facts. Nice. You know what else is nice in Vegas? Winning. It doesn't happen often. Oh, we were getting crushed.

We were at this table and this dude had, this dealer had such a winning streak. I was just like, I'd never seen anything like it. If this dude was betting his own money, he would have just bought a new house. He was on fire. Crazy. And Donald and I are just sitting there with our heads on the cushion.

You get 20, he got 21. You get 21, he got 21. You got 19, he got 20. You get 18, guess what he got? 19. We couldn't beat him. And he never took a break.

I was like, aren't you due for a break? It doesn't matter. It's not here. Get the hell out of here. And then they're sitting there like, it's not me. It's the box. It's not me. It's the computer in the box. What's happening in that box?

Let's talk about it. What the fuck's happening? Vegas. One, why did we change the odds? Yeah. By the way, the blackjack, unless you're betting in a certain room over a certain amount, it doesn't pay out what it used to. Why don't those odds change?

Yeah, what is it, Donald? I don't understand the wording of it. I think it's five to six now. Oh. What? It used to be three to two. Is that correct? Two to three.

I don't know what even that means. It doesn't pay out what it used to pay out. Damn. It means if you bet five, it pays six. When it used to be you paid two, it gives you three. Right. Well, they just suddenly changed that. They just changed that, by the way.

I didn't even know that, but they decided they found a way to make more money. And they just changed that rule. Of course. You have to be in a certain room. I think it was betting over 300 a hand to get the better odds. That's crazy. Well, they got to pay for that sphere somehow. Do all of the owners of the casinos

have to pay for that sphere? I heard some insane figure. The sphere would have to sell out every night for like 35 years to make its money back. Damn. What? You know what they should do? I don't know if that's true, but Google it. The sphere is amazing and

it's so cool. It's crazy to look at. But I think it costs way more money than they ever thought it would because, and this is just anecdotally I heard. I don't know if it's true. So take it for what it's worth. Joel can Google it. But they didn't account for the heat of Vegas. So all of those sensors, all of the LEDs on the outside have to be cooled all the time.

And so I think the cost got so astronomical that the thing is never going to recoup what it costs. That's what I heard. Yes, sir. Speaking of spheres. The answer is yes. Can we talk about Ahsoka now? Oh, we're not talking about Ahsoka. oh we're not talking about the same I thought you were talking about Beyonce coming to the sphere

I was like I'm getting my money ready well shoot I'm talking about the volume I'm talking about how it was not used that much in Ahsoka because they went on location I'm talking about lightsaber battles

with Balin's skull and Shin Hati I'm talking about lightsaber battles with Balin Skull and Shin Hati. I see Balin. I'm talking about Ahsoka Tano and Sabine Wren. Yeah. Spoiler alert. Can she use the Force? Okay. I'm talking about choppa.

Only four listeners care about this. We should probably wrap up. that's bullshit but there's a whole bunch of people right now who have been waiting to find out what me and joelle think oh if we can keep it under two minutes we'll keep very tight i'll say episode five legendary love seeing uh ahsoka back with her guy uh fighting i say episode three and on, baby. From the one where we fly now. Oh, my God. When they're flying with the Pergol. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? The soundtrack. Oh, my goodness gracious. Kevin Kiner really showed up. He did his thing. Yeah, he did. If you're a Star Wars fan this show is for you

If you're not a Star Wars fan You know I don't care I really don't care if you have problems With it or if it doesn't matter If you're upset about it I don't care But that shit was fire It hit it hit I really enjoyed the majority of that show

She's the majority That's our Star Wars roundup, everybody. I'm so glad that we had it. Apparently, it's fire. Apparently, they don't use the volume that much. They go to location. That's a good recap, Zach. Thank you.

God, the volume got canceled real quick. It's like the backlash to the backlash to the thing that just begun. God, the volume got canceled real quick. That was like the, it's like the, uh, the backlash to the backlash to the thing that just begun. No, I don't think it's gotten canceled yet. I think. No, I mean, it's just funny. Like it happened and it was so cool and everyone's like, holy shit, this is revolutionary. And everyone's like, oh, not another show in the fucking volume.

That just looks like it's on one set. I think committing an entire series to the volume is going to end. I think we'll start using it for very specific things. It'll be used for special things. Yeah, I think committing an entire series to the volume is going to end. I think we'll start using it for very specific things. It'll be used for special things. Yeah. All right, fans, listeners, we love you.

Thanks for tuning in. And we're going to start talking about Scrubs again. Yay! Really soon. You might get one this week. How about that? You'll get one next week.

No, you're going to get it next week. Oh, you don't want to do it? I thought we were going to do a special Thanksgiving drop. No. No one's going to listen on Thanksgiving, week. Oh, you don't want to do it? I thought we were going to do a special Thanksgiving drop. No. No one's going to listen on Thanksgiving, bro. How much do you want to bet they do? I bet you they won't.

The holidays are very low listeners. Yeah. It's because you guys don't know nothing about analytics like me. Okay. All right. I think Joelle and Dale probably know more about analytics than you. You guys know very little about analytics. I don't think you've ever seen.

Have you ever seen a podcast listening graph, Donald? Oh, my gosh. All the time. In my mind. He's inundated. In my mind. I have seen a graph in my mind. And we're always on top.

Always on top. On my graph. Daniel, since you were Joel today, we're going to let you count out. What? We want to do something about honoring you. You honor me. Wow, you truly do honor me. Thank you.

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