Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - 614: My No Good Reason

Episode Date: May 31, 2022

On this week's episode, Laverne and Cox go head to head over chaos theory. In the real world, we're a little bit late to the party. But, better late than never. See omnystudio.com/listener for pr...ivacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:02 This is a show about women. I mean, you do? Finally, a show about women that isn't just a thinly veiled aspirational nightmare. It's not hosted, not narrated. We're just dropping into a woman's world. I found out when my dad was gay when I was 10. We were in a convertible on the 405 freeway, listening to the B-52s. Looking back, I should have said, this is gay.
Starting point is 00:02:27 This is already all gay. Listen to Finally A Show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey. Hi. I did miss you. I miss you so much. I saw you the other day. You came by for a little
Starting point is 00:02:45 quick visit and we're gonna we're gonna see each other in Austin I guess this is the last show that will air right where we can tell people about coming to is it this Sunday no
Starting point is 00:02:59 yeah it's next Sunday June the Austin TV Festival, guys. Come see a Scrubs reunion panel on June 5th at 10 a.m. at the Paramount Theater in Austin. You will have, I have confirmed now, Donald Faison, Sarah Chalk, Neil Flynn, Bill Lawrence, Judy Reyes. Oh. Did I say Johnny C. McGinley?
Starting point is 00:03:27 I don't think you did, no. Yeah, that's who you're going to have. Boom. You're going to have all the main leads except for Ken. The Heaters. That's amazing. We haven't all been together. We did a little thing for something else, but we haven't done this in a very, very long time.
Starting point is 00:03:43 It's going to be so great to see everybody. It'll be very nice. So I was false positive. Really? Oh, you didn't even have it. You sound upset about that. Well, no, I'm not upset about it. I was really geeked.
Starting point is 00:03:57 I'm not going to lie, man. I thought it was going to be easy COVID because I had no symptoms. Oh, you were excited to get high and play video games, and you didn't get your chance. That all went out the window. Yeah. Remember how we were so geeked about that, guys? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:12 You were kind of like, it's funny, in this episode, there's a whole plot line where Jordan is bedridden. Is that the term? Yeah. Yeah. And because of her pregnancy, she has to stay in bed. And Cox has to take care of her. You were kind of stoked for the I get to lie in bed and play video games in case he has to take care of me, and you didn't get it. Well, she couldn't take care of me, but I get to lie in bed,
Starting point is 00:04:37 play video games, smoke a shit ton of weed. Like, I had no symptoms, man. I was like, this is going to be fucking amazing. Did you have the animal face all lined up, ready to go? Dude, I had no symptoms, man. Like, I was like, this is going to be fucking amazing. Did you have the animal face all lined up, ready to go? Dude, I was ready. I cleaned both bongs. Oh, my goodness. Ready to go.
Starting point is 00:04:55 I rolled some J's and everything, man. You're so funny. I smoke a lot of weed regardless. He prepped for his fucking COVID by cleaning his bongs. Yeah, man. Listen, I didn't. Listen, I smoke a lot of weed regardless. He prepped for his fucking COVID by cleaning his bongs. Yeah, man. Listen, I smoke a lot of weed. It's very clear. Those who know me know this.
Starting point is 00:05:12 My wife thinks it's a problem. My best friend thinks it's a problem. Yeah, I said he needs rehab. Right. You said you were quitting the other day. How'd that work out? But I just think it's bullshit like I have no I listen I used to smoke weed I don't really smoke that much
Starting point is 00:05:32 anymore but I just think it's bullshit that people say it's not addictive I know it's not physically it's so addictive it is completely addictive Donald is 100% addicted another very close hey I am not addictive I just got a really strong Donald is 100% addicted. Another very close. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Starting point is 00:05:46 I am not addictive. I just got a really strong habit. Whatever you want to say, weed is addictive. Yes, it is. Very. And I mean, to each their own, but don't say it's not addictive. You know what I find myself doing? Here's the fucked up shit.
Starting point is 00:06:04 This is the fucked up shit about weed. And all you people out there are going to be like, yo, know what i just smoked some so i can do it right now look that shit really does make you be like damn man i'm not gonna smoke no more that's it i'm done yeah you told me that i'm done i'm done and then you'll be like you know what after this next bong hit just one more just just one one more yeah your wife's not that into your weed habit i've learned i'm learning my wife's not that into me right now because of my weed habit dude like it is It has amplified to the level where I am fucking on that Snoop. Look, man, I get it. Snoop Dogg, I get it.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Seth Rogen, I get it. You know what I mean? I get it, dude. I get it. There's nothing like being able to sit at home. All right, so right now I don't have a lot of shit to do. There's that little bit of period where I have work. I'm working a lot. You know what I mean? But it's, it's sporadic. You know what I mean? So it's a day here, a day there, you know what I
Starting point is 00:07:14 mean? We do the podcast and everything like that. So I got a shit ton of time on my hands, right? And it's, it's kind of fucking cool to be able to smoke weed, play video games while the kids are at school. They get out of school and then take the kid to basketball practice and then be a daddy. That's kind of fun to do right now. You know what I mean? But it can't last. And I know that the withdrawal from the amount of weed that I'm smoking right now. Well, you got to taper off like anything, man.
Starting point is 00:07:47 You got to just set yourself a time. Like I'm not going to smoke until after this time. You can't, I mean, I think you'll, that's the beauty of working. Working makes it so, because I've become such a, you know, I'm way more into seeing what I can do on camera now than I, than I was before. Right. Like that's a adventure now. Whereas before it was like, let's, you know, I want to, I want to be on camera because I want to be a star or whatever the shit is. But like, now it's like, you know, I'm way more interested in figuring out what I can do on camera. So
Starting point is 00:08:24 because of that, I feel like I need to be sober to do it. And so when I work, I am so sober. When I'm not working, maybe it's depression. Well, you also said you were going to join me on this health kick because I'm back on the Peloton. I'm on a health kick, and it's good to have a partner. It's good to have a partner you can be like. But you don't want to work out with me?
Starting point is 00:08:43 I don't want to work out with you, but I'm saying, like, it's good to have a partner you can be like But you don't want to work out with me I don't want to work out with you But I'm saying it's always good when you're Exercising or getting in shape Or losing weight to have a buddy That you're like hey man did you Peloton today Yeah hey you got your big ass Fucking jug of water I don't have a jar of water today Sorry
Starting point is 00:09:00 That's small too small It's a mason jar are you working out a lot right now yeah i'm working out i'm training and i saw you looking sexy man dude i'm not gonna lie to you you are looking good man you are you are putting in i'm trying to get this i'm trying to get the sea gutters back i had them for for for a moment it's summer it's summer you gotta have the sea gutters well you don't have to have the sea gutters. You just have to be, look, this is another thing.
Starting point is 00:09:27 I would like to have sea gutters. Right. There you go. Thank you. But when you're 47, it takes a long time to get there. A long time, right? No, but I'm saying the love handles are the last to go.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Well, yeah. I just want to go into Beverly Hills and have someone go, vacuum that shit out. No. I just want to be, I just want to be I just want to be Joel how much could it cost
Starting point is 00:09:47 can you google how much it costs to have the love handles sucked out and then you're supposed to put it on your ass that's what some of the women do then they just put it in their ass I could use a bigger booty is there a way that fake doctors real friends and some
Starting point is 00:10:03 could come and we do it live from there? Oh, that would be... I would love to do a live recording of you getting the cum gutters that you desire. Yeah. And then getting that fat put into your ass. Should we do a podcast from the doctor's office while I'm having my love handles put in my ass? Daniel, you'll be there. Oh, I'll be there.
Starting point is 00:10:24 I'll have my mic right up to the thing. I just want, listen, I have a small booty, and I live in Hollywood. It's accepted here. I just want to suck out my love handles and put it in my booty. I'll put the right love handle in the right cheek. The left handle in the left cheek.
Starting point is 00:10:44 You don't have a lot of love handle right now man so your ass would still be kind of tiny yeah you still have a little booty it would be much but i'm i'm palatoning it off and i'm and i'm drinking a lot of water and i'm good for you not not eating like an asshole and i'm barely drinking and uh that's how you do it you got a lot of vegetables you got a lot of vegetables in your diet or are you doing a multivitamin? I got a lot of vegetables. I'm actually trying this food delivery company that I don't like. It's very healthy, but it's just not, doesn't taste good to me. But you know, those are hard to find. It's all difficult. It's very difficult to get in shape eating something that somebody else is saying, this is what you should eat today. Well, I think it's also hard
Starting point is 00:11:23 for people who work, you know, I have to, I have to say, I have to give respect to people that work a real nine to five job and then have to come home and eat healthy and, and bring healthy food to work and all that stuff. I mean, I, you know, you come out, you come out for, for a lunch break and there's a Chipotle right there and you're like, Oh, I'd love to, I'd love a burrito. I don't want to go eat a salad you know but you can figure it out what are you saying
Starting point is 00:11:48 no i'm with you that's i feel the exact same way working a nine to five and then being like okay let's make a healthy dinner yeah yeah it's hard it's hard well it's not just that it's also when you have kids and stuff like that you know what i mean yeah and they want mcnuggets spend the whole day one i want them shit you spend the whole day doing kid activities and stuff like that. And then the nighttime comes and there's those arches and you're like, yep, let's pull in. They took out the last McDonald's that's anywhere near me. Granted, now I live in a Hollywood, West Hollywood area.
Starting point is 00:12:21 So it's probably the only place in the country that can say that. But there was the one on Sunset and Crescent Heights that's gone. There was the one across from CBS Radford that's gone. I was just talking to Kerry Brothers about this because he loves McDonald's and his wife's pregnant. So they're like McDonald's fans.
Starting point is 00:12:41 And I know where they all are, but I know where they are. And he's like, we got to go to Sherman Oaks for a McDonald's. Yeah, that's where they all are but and he's like and he's like he's like we gotta go to sherman oaks for him yeah that's where they are buddy that's where they are buddy but i was just thinking like this is probably the only area of the country where there's not a mcdonald's every fucking half mile right yeah that's that's true um okay so switching gears i'm really excited this you know it will have already happened and we will have already talked about it. But I'm really excited for this Friday.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Oh, Obi-Wan. I'm not going out tonight. Because you need to rest? I was going to take the kid to basketball. I'm not taking the kid to basketball tonight. It doesn't drop until midnight. It doesn't drop until midnight. I don't want to risk anything. I want to make sure
Starting point is 00:13:30 that I am alive to see the Obi-Wan Kenobi premiere and the second episode. Fuck that shit. I don't give a fuck. There's a possibility that we could be driving on the road and we get a flat tire and have to spend
Starting point is 00:13:46 an evening and then midnight comes and nope, it's not available. I'm telling you right now I am very excited about that. It drops at midnight? It drops at midnight tonight. Not only am I excited about that You're so cute. That Thor Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:14:04 What, the Thor trailer? Did you see that trailer? No, but I saw Natalie's fucking arms on a picture. Holy shit. Natalie got ripped. She's got the guns. I think Marvel's about to make a comeback. We need to hire Portman's trainer.
Starting point is 00:14:18 No, I want Liam Hemsworth's trainer. Because whatever that brother is doing. God damn Look, yo, there's a scene in the trailer where they look, there's a scene in the trailer where they flick his clothes like the guy I think it's, who is it? He's playing
Starting point is 00:14:35 Russell Crowe. Yeah, Russell Crowe's playing like is he playing Zeus? Is that who we're going to see? Right, so Russell Crowe's playing Zeus and he flicks Thor's clothes off and not only do the women faint but the men faint everybody around is like yo i stopped the fucking i stopped it i stopped the trailer ran into the living room where my wife was and was like baby you seen the thor trailer it just had just come out. I was like, you seen the Thor trailer
Starting point is 00:15:06 yet? She was like, no. I was like, let me show it to you. I showed it to her. She fucking, when the flick happened, she even went, mm. Do you think they're going to keep it blurred for theaters or no? Oh, I hope. Well, it's Disney, so I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:22 What do you mean blurred? They blur his behind in the trailer. They got to show it. Him from the back, completely nude. They got to show the butt. His butt is blurred out. I feel like it's Taika Waititi. I'm going to say this right now.
Starting point is 00:15:38 They'll show butt. That dude is okay. I don't know. Look, he's a very funny actor. He's a very good actor. And his brother. His he's a very funny actor. He's a very good actor. And his brother. His brother's a sweetheart. Anyway, my point is, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Dude, what the fuck are you doing? How do I get to your height? One. And how do I get those muscles? Two. Well, you know what to do. You could go on the program. Listen, we should get into this episode because it's fucking great.
Starting point is 00:16:05 And listen, I'm not just saying this. People are going to go, oh, Zach directed this, so he's going to be biased. I didn't write the fucking thing. I did do a decent job directing it. But this episode I found to be one of the best in a long time. I laughed my ass off. It's emotional. It is very well directed, let's be honest.
Starting point is 00:16:25 And everybody brought their A game. it's emotional. It is very well directed. Let's be honest. And, um, and, and everybody brought their a game. It's beautifully shot. It's, it's great. Don't you think?
Starting point is 00:16:33 Absolutely. I was going to ask you, let's get into the show, but I have a bunch of questions. Count us in. Five, six, seven,
Starting point is 00:16:39 eight. I said, here's some stories about a show we made about a bunch of docs and nurses in a Canada who love to hate. All right. So, look, I have a bunch of questions. One, did Inwood DP this? Yes. He did DP this. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:11 I don't think there's very few episodes John didn't shoot. Well, there are episodes where he, or days that he didn't shoot. Yeah, yeah. And Andy, the gaffer, would step up. And Andy and Richard would sort of, Richard was the A camera operator, they would sort of share duties. And they had different, they both had different versions of, well, they both had different versions of what the hospital looked like, too. So Andy's had a very warmer, that's why I was asking, because I remember Andy had a very warmer tone. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Very, I had, sorry, Andy had a more warm tone to his DPing. And I don't remember Richard's, but like John's was so cold. John was more like the pilot than anything. Right. Andy added warmth. Well, this episode had warmth around a Loma,
Starting point is 00:17:58 which I noticed the style. And I don't know if there's something John and Sarah and Sarah and all of these people, like, I don't know. This may have been something that John and I discussed. I don't know if this is something John and I talked about. And Sarah and all of these people. Yeah, I don't know. This may have been something that John and I discussed. I don't know. But it does look a little bit different. I think if you look at the shots from the top around Aloma, they're warmer.
Starting point is 00:18:17 It's almost like it's almost giving her this angelic glow to set you up. I'm giving myself goosebumps. But in giving you this angelic glow to set you up. I'm giving myself goosebumps. But in giving you this angelic glow to set you up for the ending, I thought Aloma Wright did a fantastic acting job in this episode. You know, she's usually just the one-liner comedic relief, but this episode was a chance for her to really show the audience that she is a great actress. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:44 You know, she's, Aloma's been in a lot of other things other than Scrubs. A lot of people know her best from Scrubs. But I was in a movie called Trippin' with her. She's been doing this for a bit. And yes, you don't survive in this industry just being an okay actor. I was just happy. You have the chops. I was very happy, as you were, to see, to let her,
Starting point is 00:19:12 I'm happy that Bill gave her the opportunity to show set chops too. Yeah. Kelso, let's just go to the top. Dogs. Elliot has the idea of bringing a dog in, a patient's dog in, to cheer her up. She's terminally ill, and everybody loves dogs. I love my dog more than anything, and so I get it. And so Sarah's on a mission to get that bulldog in there,
Starting point is 00:19:39 and she conspires with the janitor to sneak the dog in. So there are things in this storyline that are great the kelso not talking to elliot thing tracks yeah it's tracked since she's become private practice and they've kept it through the whole series to this point right yeah we eventually learn you know why when judy later tells her, like, you know, think you're not, you have a blind spot. Right. Which is always great when you're friends and you have a friendship with someone and they can tell you a blind spot you're not seeing. And so Judy says, like, you know, he trained you.
Starting point is 00:20:20 This hospital spent all this money and time and effort making you the doctor you are and then you just leave for private practice like how do you think that makes him feel and so elliot at the end of the episode has an epiphany about all that yeah all of it and and because bill and the writers they really set this up great you know what i mean this episode has so so much at the end to cry about you know uh the fact that nurse roberts is now in a coma elliot and kelso have mended their relationship and you know elliot has a different perspective of him not only him but also the hospital she's definitely more appreciative because of what carla told her uh and so like yeah this is you're absolutely right it's well directed but it's also really well written it's like all of the shit that we took we will get into all of the shit
Starting point is 00:21:18 that we talked about the season in the beginning and how it wasn't really that good it's completely grown on me i know it's grown on you as well uh yeah and i just gotta say again i i i i laughed out loud so many times in this episode and then they dropped the fucking heartbreak at the end in the classic bill lawrence style we should mention it's written by Janae Bakken, but we always say it's also a team of writers in a writer's room, and of course the mad genius himself, Bill Lawrence. But it's just, I just kept laughing.
Starting point is 00:21:57 First of all, breasts are a very big theme in this episode. It could have been called my breasts. Well, it could have been called the beautiful ladies of Sacred Heart also. it could have been called My Breasts well it could have been called it could have been called The Beautiful Ladies of Sacred Heart also everybody is like
Starting point is 00:22:11 glammed up that's the thing about your episodes man all the girls are always glammed up I didn't write it baby I just shot them listen let's go back to the top Leonard tries to help Elliot when she falls. And he goes, my bad.
Starting point is 00:22:31 That's Ren Winston, our producer. He rips her shirt off because he's used to having a hand. And it's his right hand. So he goes to grab her with his dominant hand. And it's no longer there. It's a hook. Yeah, and the hook pulls her top off. That was so shameless.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Like Elliot just in a bra in front of the class. And then you reveal that every single person has their phone out trying to film her. Guys, put the phones down. Yeah. Then we have the classic Scrubs hot girl entrance as Turk and Carla have gotten a nanny named Heather. Turk brings the nanny cam video to work to show everyone
Starting point is 00:23:08 because he cannot believe how attractive she is. No, she can't. Right. Yes. And the funniest story is that, oh, my God, he tells the Todd. This brings back so much. This episode brings back so much
Starting point is 00:23:29 from like season one or two. It brings back so much. He tells the Todd. First of all, he puts on the tape. No, he says, I have a tape. No, wait, hold up. Go back. He says, I have a tape. And he goes, let me assemble everybody.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Todd goes on the roof and blows into a horn. A boobie. It's like a boobie shofar. Right. It's not a disrey do. So there's no. But it's a boobie horn. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And he says, boobies. No, boobies. Right. Remember those old Ricola commercials i think it was a takeoff on that because they would cut to those dudes i think that horn is i mean just from the ricola commercials something but anyway boobies and all the men in the hospital hear the call and this calls all the men to the hospital to know that there's
Starting point is 00:24:30 I mean this is actually 2022 so inappropriate it's not much different than Revenge of the Nerds when they hid the cameras in the sorority house but all the men are rushing to see the boobies right not only do they rush in in a split second, they've all appeared.
Starting point is 00:24:49 Kelso goes, got to go, boobie horn. He's telling someone they're going to die. They're like, I'm sorry. We did the best we could. Got to go, boobie horn, boobie horn. And then Doug drops a corpse. Doug is moving a corpse in a body bag, and he drops it. And then before we get into watching the tape,
Starting point is 00:25:06 Ted says that his mom put a nanny cam in his bathroom because she said, my baths were too long. Now, we're watching the boobies. Everyone assembles. We're watching the boobies and then I laughed out loud when
Starting point is 00:25:22 Todd says, leans over and goes, can you make her eat a banana? And I go, it's not interactive, Todd. So good. That was one of the funniest lines in the episode. Can you make her eat a banana? And then Judy comes in. And this was funny, too.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Judy comes in, and this was funny too. Judy comes in, and then that voiceover says, we all go, oh, it quickly turned off. It was football. It was football. And she goes, isn't the season over? And I got this off Scrubs Wiki. JD says, and then every male in the room felt totally in sync, resulting in the rarest
Starting point is 00:26:02 of all phenomenon, the seamless collaborative guy lie. Keith says, the American season is over. We were watching Mexican football. Doug says, they started late this year. Todd says, because of the churro vendors. Ted says, they went on strike and the players wouldn't cross the picket line. And then JD says, when the dispute turned violent, they called in Rodrigo Vasquez, the owner of the Baja Panditos, to step in. And then Dr. Kelso says, thanks to Senor Vasquez's experience dealing with the fruit pickers union,
Starting point is 00:26:36 he was able to broker a last-minute deal and the season was salvaged. And then Turk says, and that's why we're watching football in spring. Right. So funny. So funny. And very cleverly directed by the director. Whip panning between everybody. I think it's a wonder because it just whip pans between everyone.
Starting point is 00:26:56 It moves all around. It's pretty funny. And then she says she doesn't care. And then Turk, like an asshead, sits on the remote and it keeps playing. And she sees that Turk has brought in the videotape of the nanny's breasts and shown everyone in the hospital. I want to go back for a second just to talk about – to set up the other storyline, which is cox and uh johnny and krista krista sorry jordan jordan has a very funny monologue about all the funny things she wants him to do including going to the video store remember the video store oh pour some out um and she like she
Starting point is 00:27:37 says she wants to him to get anything with vigo somethinggo Mortensen? No, she said, yeah, but she says Somethingson. Right. Because he's hot and she wants something, anything with him in it, right, Joelle? Lord of the Rings? Joelle, what's your go-to Viggo? She could be a Hidalgo person. Eastern Promises. Oh, yeah, you said that in your notes. I feel like Jordan would like that. Oh, he's naked in that.
Starting point is 00:27:59 It's all dark. He is naked. It's very dark. There's a lot of guys fighting. I just feel like it's Jordan's side. There's a whole naked fight scene in that, isn't there? Sure is. Eastern Promises, Jordan. Let's go back in time and tell her. Actually, it probably wasn't out.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Sorry. This makes no sense. But anyway, when she said, go to the video store, I thought that was funny. So Laverne and Johnny obviously have this thing about everything happening for a reason. Can I just say one thing before we move on? Yeah, go ahead. Holy cow. Krista Miller, pregnant.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Beautiful. Wow. She's so pretty, yeah. Oh my goodness gracious, man. And she was hilarious with that monologue. She had a great, she did this whole run on all the things she wanted Cox to do for her, and she was very funny. Yeah. And then there was one, I think his punchline was like,
Starting point is 00:28:50 well, when would I have time to kill myself? And her response is, well, that's not my problem. That's not my problem. Right. Great scene. I remember when the scene was over, I was like, wow, the two of them. Wow. They had a great chemistry. Well-direct like, wow, the two of them. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:05 They had a great chemistry. They really did. Well-directed, Zach Braff. Thank you. I thought it was good. I'm proud of this episode. You know, Bill would often give me the showy episodes because I liked having showy episodes, like whether it's, you know, The Wizard of Oz or The Princess Bride or whichever one, or the, you know, those kind of big ones.
Starting point is 00:29:24 And this one is relatively contained. Um, but I'm, but I'm really proud of it. I, I, I, I thought I did a nice job and I think I can say that.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Well, I wanted to talk to you about that. You know, there were a lot of things that were different about this episode. We talked about the lighting and everything, but to tell a story, certain things have to, I be told uh through silhouette and i don't know if you didn't do this as a director but there are a lot of moments like even the last
Starting point is 00:29:57 shot of the show that's the that's the i'm so proud of that shot right but if because you could take everybody's face away you could take all the colors away and you could literally silhouette everyone and you could still tell the story of what's going something powerful is going on by the way you just gave me goosebumps and and what was cool was like the idea was all our main characters not not the janitor but all all our main doctors are are in the shot digesting this but it's clearly johnny front and center because of this whole debate they've been having and it's just a beautiful shot like it was it was that final frame of the show was beautiful but that's what i'm saying. That's important.
Starting point is 00:30:46 You know what I mean? A lot of people think directing is what he can handle or she can handle or they can handle actors. It's way more than that. It's telling a story. Well, it's my two favorite things combined. It's, um, it's photography, um, with telling a great story, by the way, in the spirit of that, I'm glad I'm just digressed for a moment. I'm reading this amazing book.
Starting point is 00:31:09 It's the biography of Mike Nichols. I recommend it to everybody. It's written by Mark Harris. You can find it wherever you buy books. It's a page turner. If you love movies and you love theater and you love the art form, Mike Nichols has had an extraordinary career. And there's just so many incredible stories in it.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And it's just a page turner. I was just reading yesterday how the graduate, uh, which he directed, which is his second film had horrible reviews. The critics, not all, but like the biggest critics trashed it,
Starting point is 00:31:39 trashed it. That's one of the, that's such an innovative movie. Dude, at the time, at the time, at the time, Donald, it became the third highest grossing movie of all time.
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Starting point is 00:31:53 and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, day because that's how much it hit uh in the right spot with the culture and with young people and i just want to say to anyone who creates anything to a small tirade for you anyone who puts themselves out there in any way creatively or a business or whatever, these fucking haters that come after you, this guy, not only did the biggest critics say this is trash at the time, you can go look it up. I mean,
Starting point is 00:32:31 it's in the book. You'll see it if you read the book or you can Google it, but they, but his friends were even like, no one wanted Dustin Hoffman except him. He just knew Dustin Hoffman was it. And people were, he was showing,
Starting point is 00:32:42 he was screening the movie for his friends and they would be like, Oh man, it's a shame about the kid, but otherwise it's, it's really, really good, man. And, and, and these were like his close posse members. And then the movie comes out and is, you know, one of the, considered one of the greatest films of all time. So I just think it's, it's an inspiration for anyone who goes out there and deals with naysayers about their work, whether it's creative in our example or, like I said, it's a business or anything that you put yourself out there to do. There's always going to be naysayers.
Starting point is 00:33:16 And then there's these wonderful stories like Mike Nichols directing The Graduate. And his career is filled with that, of moments of people being like, absolutely not. Are you out of your mind? That's going to ruin the movie. And then he goes out on a limb and it becomes, you know, who's afraid of Virginia Woolf? It's a great lesson in trusting your gut instinct and knowing the story that you want to tell. Sometimes you fail and sometimes you succeed. It's really about the journey. And so, you know, it's the greats that trust their instinct
Starting point is 00:33:45 and, you know, and can move past the failures. And when the success happens, it's amazing. Same thing happened with George Lucas. He had a minor success with that American graffiti. And then he showed Star Wars to his buddies. All of his friends told him that movie was trash. His mentor told him the movie was trash. And then it goes on to revolutionize filmmaking and stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Same thing with The Graduate, man. The soundtrack alone from that movie, you know what I mean the studio was livid that he wanted to use all pulse I mean not all but predominantly Paul Simon songs they were livid they were like what those songs are popular this isn't a commercial um and one of the critics one of the one of the biggest critics I forgot who it was one of the biggest biggest, I forgot who it was, but one of the biggest, biggest critics at the time called it a commercial because of his innovative use of music. It's just, it was just,
Starting point is 00:34:49 it's just fascinating. And, you know, I always say there's so many examples of this, you know, the most current one in our life is that Apple's the only company that bid on Ted Lasso. Apple is the only company that wanted Lasso.
Starting point is 00:35:01 That's crazy. And look at that. And look at that. Bill went around town with Jason and they were dumbfounded. And Apple's the only one that took a risk on him. That's what it is, man. Anyway, so hopefully that's motivation for someone out there. Should we take a break?
Starting point is 00:35:17 We'll take a break. We'll be right back. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in. A new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that's bringing you a daily dose of joy. I'm Danielle Robay. And I'm Simone Boyce. Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters. We've covered the news and we know the world can feel heavy. But The Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new and get into some friendly debates.
Starting point is 00:35:47 That's right. Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the bright side. We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions. We'll talk through it all together. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Martha Stewart, and we're back with a new season of my podcast.
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Starting point is 00:39:18 And we're back! Wu-Tang Forever. Hey, listen. When I send you these Star Wars things, do you even look at them? Because I text Donald. That shit was so boring, man. That's the most boring I've ever seen my Star Wars heroes in my life. I was like, wow, why are they? Well, somebody recut Star Wars to be about Obi-Wan.
Starting point is 00:39:44 I thought you liked that. I didn't look at that one. Oh, well, why don't you click on the show? I'm talking about the interview. Like a good friend. I'm talking about that because some of the shit I've seen already. I'm talking about the interview that they did with Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, and Mark Hamill. This is what I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:40:00 It was a boring interview is what you're saying. Yeah, man. And they're sitting on, like, even the dude who's interviewing, I forget who it is, he's so excited about it. He's like, dude, I've got to tell you guys, this movie is going to change everything. This is amazing. And these guys are all like, yeah. And when I made the movie, it was. And I hate when that happens.
Starting point is 00:40:19 When you're excited, especially when the interviewer is excited about something and they're talking about how, like, you're watching all these people go out and do this stuff for Maverick right now. Apparently this movie is really. Maverick's getting insane reviews. People are loving it. Right. It's really cool to see that the actors are just as excited for, you know, you to see it as the, you know, as the audience is to see it. To see it as the audience is to see it. I hate it when the actor comes out too cool for school because they got a fucking persona to, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:40:53 You think that's what they were? I didn't watch it. I just sent it to you. Daniel, I send him, and sometimes Joelle, anything Star Wars related because of their passion. Of course. And I have no sense. There's no like, not even from Donald, a thumbs up or uh oh that was a good one or i've seen this before any event if anything it's seen it before i like it when you get mark hamill carrie fisher and harrison ford enthusiastic about i can't fucking change their faces.
Starting point is 00:41:25 I don't like it when they're bored. Maybe they're in shock. I don't know what it is. They were probably nervous because Right, this is like their first big interviews, right. Harrison Ford was a I don't know what level his career was at the time.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Do you know? He was a carpenter. Star Wars? I know He was a carpenter. Star Wars? I know he was a carpenter, but before Star Wars, had he worked? You just did George Lucas's American Graffiti.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Oh, okay. Dude, he's reading with all of these actors for Star Wars. He's freaking, dude, he's building a room in the casting office. He's helping build the room.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Really? Yeah, man. And that's how he gets to read with,. He's like, why don't you read? I need you to read with these people. Not to read in the movie. Why don't you read with these actors? When I direct him, are you going to come visit?
Starting point is 00:42:16 It's coming up. If I get you a special COVID pass. You and Bill like throwing shit in my face, man. I just want to know if you want to come visit the set. You and Bill are like, you guys like, man. I just want to know if you want to come up with a set. You and Bill are like dang. You guys are like you dangled a carrot in front of me. Such a lovely invitation.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Take it. I'm not going to watch him direct my idol. Get the fuck out of here, man. I want to be in scenes with the motherfucker. I think that's a no. Okay. So in the spirit of the whole debate about things happening for a reason, Cox spills coffee.
Starting point is 00:42:47 I take a big fall. And Nurse Noelle steps on me. She really doesn't care. I mean, can you imagine this? I go, thanks, Noelle. She just walks on me. Not very nice of Noelle. That was a great pratfall by Sarah also. Oh, I thought you were telling on me. Not very nice of Noelle. That was a great pratfall by Sarah also.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Oh, I thought you were telling me me. Oh, you too. We both had some good falls. Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! Hoo!
Starting point is 00:43:19 Hoo! Hoo! What's the... See, that could be two things. It could be falling and it could be the other thing. Yeah, well, in my case, it was the classic JD falling noise. In my case, it was. In your case, it's making six children.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Then we get to a very sad moment where a child has been stabbed in a robbery. And Johnny C. says to Laverne, oh, really? What's the reason that this horrible thing could have happened? And her faith is not shattered. She says there'll be some reason. Just you wait, in so many words. Jordan expresses love and genuine appreciation for Cox for Cox for the first time in, in six seasons,
Starting point is 00:44:07 really. Right. Right. But this all tracks, this all tracks. It really is. It really is great writing to connect the problems that they're having with the problems that they were having with their child to them being able to make it through however many episodes this is, you know, and just when you forget about it, Nurse Roberts reminds you. makes it so that her admission to that Jordan's admission to Cox is even more,
Starting point is 00:44:49 uh, it's, it's a very vulnerable moment for both of them. And it's a very loving moment. And, you know, and, and it's,
Starting point is 00:44:59 it's not followed with, it's not necessarily followed with the joke is, oh, how embarrassing it is for you. But then her response is, yeah, and I think it's something like I wouldn't change it. I'm okay with it or something like that. And that's great moments, especially in the evolution of these two characters. Yeah, especially because we never see Jordan vulnerable at all. She does not let her guard down very rarely and uh and this was so sweet she was so she was so loving and and she knows how hard he's been
Starting point is 00:45:32 um working for her and and taking care of her and she finally gives me some appreciation such well it is a very well direct dude i love you man it is a well-directed. Dude, I love you, man. It is a well-directed episode. Thank you, man. Thank you. The janitor really hates it when people call it a jumpsuit. And I think this came from Neil, actually. I think Neil would always be like, it's shirt and pants. Why would I wear a belt with a jumpsuit? And so I think that's why it ended up in the script.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Because Neil would genuinely, when anyone called it a jumpsuit, be would genuinely when anyone called a jumpsuit be like it's it's not a jumpsuit it's a shirt and pants um so um i laughed at yeah what's all up in there i know we're going back but i laughed at when uh who is it elliot that says what's all up your ass and and then cock to cock she says that and cox walks up to nurse roberts and she goes yeah what's all up in that what's all up in there yeah what is all up in there yeah um what about jd's first attempt to hit on the hot nanny does a spoonful of sugar really make the medicine go down okay did you notice me try to find the camera behind you when you said that no why you slid out i slide to the i slide to the other side well since i was directing and couldn't see the monitor i appreciate that no doubt now then i go into a
Starting point is 00:46:54 very elaborate which was funny um i can say it's funny because i didn't write it but it was very written uh about my seven to nine week plan for seducing her and then oh my god this is one of the funniest fucking things of the season is your pov of elliot um because whenever i've slept first of all this doesn't track at all because you've we've established you've slept with women that i've slept with in the show, but your POV of Elliot, because that's how you claim you see anyone that I've slept with. That was hilarious. Who's that internet guy that talks like this kind of white guy talks like this.
Starting point is 00:47:37 What's his name? I don't know. That's your impression of every white person. No, not all of them, but he, he whines a. Long hair. I forget his name.
Starting point is 00:47:46 He's the one that does all of the Takashi 6ix9ine voiceovers. Blake Webber looks exactly like the guy that plays what Turk sees. Oh, I don't really know who that Blake Webber is, but I'll check it out. He's a funny guy. Okay, but anyway, the fact that the lip sync was perfect, the guy, the actor who played him was very funny and he like flipped his hair at the end. What about then Cox brings in Lloyd in a sweater
Starting point is 00:48:18 to try and fool Laverne. This is the father of the young lady. Can you tell him, explain to him why this happened for a reason? And Laverne goes, that's the delivery guy in a sweater. And he goes, my name's Lloyd. It's a
Starting point is 00:48:36 psych out too, because if you watch the show and you see that you're like, wait, hold up, they cast the guy that played Lloyd to play Ray. I was like, I thought, wait a minute, I directed this. I'm not an idiot. I was like, I thought, wait a minute. I directed this. I'm not an idiot. I'm not going to have Mike Schwartz play dad.
Starting point is 00:48:55 But she goes, that's the delivery guy in his sweater. My name's Lloyd. A homeless guy threw poo in my eye. Check the poo. Mine are his? First him, then you. Look, we could make a clip show of just Lloyd moments. You really got to have him on.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Yeah, that'd be great. So there are a lot of wolf references in this. Oh, my God. This was the other biggest laugh, Donald. Elliot was once mounted by a wolf. No, wait. You're going too fast. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:49:25 And then Joe Magno, how do you say his last name? Joe Magno. How do you say his name? He's now famous, super famous. Manginello. Joe Manginello. Joe Manginello.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Before he got famous. Before he played the werewolf on True Blood is in this episode as well. So there's a lot of wolf. By the way, that fantasy of me trying, uh,
Starting point is 00:49:45 first of all, we gotta go, we gotta go through that real quick. Okay. So real quick, we learned that we learned that the reason in Laverne's mind is that while getting a CAT scan or an MRI, I don't know which it is.
Starting point is 00:49:57 I'm sorry. MRI. I think, um, I think it's MRI. Maybe a CAT scan. I'm not sure. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:50:02 We're fake doctors, guys. You real doctors are yelling at us. We don't know which machine it is. They find a tumor the size of a golf ball right where the knife went in, and they never would have found that had that not happened. So Laverne is like, see? That's why that happened.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Now, JD's fantasy, or I should say lie, to Turk to try and help him not be attracted to the nanny is one of the funniest fucking things ever I said he just gets carried away because he had him he had him I'm just trying to help you he had him I know it's going to take me seven to nine weeks to have the the balls to ask her out so because she's so pretty so I I say so I make up a very elaborate lie but it's sort of like JD's fantasy of what would have dreamed happened.
Starting point is 00:50:48 What he wishes would have happened. Yeah, so the date's over, and he goes, I knew you needed me, so I went for it, Italian style. And you knock her hand away. Yeah, because she puts her hand out for a shake, and I slap it away. And then we start kissing, and then there's three football players who arrive, Joe being one of them before he was famous and he says uh oh it's the three guys football players used to beat me up in high
Starting point is 00:51:10 school what do you what are you guys doing and joe goes oh we're all gay together and they all and they all hold up their wedding rings they're in a thruple they're in a married thruple and what is it a it's a poly they're in a poly a polyamorous is that what you call it joelle yeah they're in a poly but they're married somehow or maybe they just maybe they're just rings because i don't know if you can legally get poly married maybe somewhere in some states you can and i don't know if you can get gay poly married in utah Can you really get heterosexual poly married in Utah? One man with many wives. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:50 That's where the Mormons are, right? I know the Mormons are there. I just don't know if it's legal or not. I'm curious. All right. Anyway. I'm pretty sure it's legal. They definitely don't want the gay version, I'm assuming.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Right, right, right. Then another pretty woman arrives, i go oh so and so you're the one who turned me down for homecoming and prom even though i didn't ask you to either and she goes well can i have sex with you both and i and then and then heather goes as long as we make it all about jd and then what happens and then she comes in and we all start making out. And then Joe goes, enough of this. Let's go bang.
Starting point is 00:52:29 Yeah, with the three guys. And then the guy slaps his ass. Yeah. And then we come out of the fantasy and the infamous Dave Chappelle. Come on, buddy. Yeah. And I have to admit to Turk that it's a lie and that we went line dancing and I cut her with one of my spurs. J.D. wore spurs to go line dancing just so he could hear.
Starting point is 00:52:57 More importantly, he's so bad at it. He's so bad at line dancing and he's wearing spurs. He managed to injure poor heather with the spurs i was so excited you know jd was so excited to wear the spurs too i'm going line dancing tonight gotta wear spurs probably wore spurs over sneakers didn't wear them over oh my god i wish they had cut them and there's no time for it but then you you should have cut to her her being injured from the spurs all right so judy has no time for this bullshit heather is fired elliot finally thanks kelso uh and and really in a heartfelt way uh gives him um appreciation for all the flowers and gives him
Starting point is 00:53:39 um the dog too yeah tankers was that tankers i don't know if it Was that Tankers? I don't know if it was. Was that Danny Rose's Tankers? I don't know because that was a pretty well-trained dog. I don't know if Tankers. Tankers was really well-trained. Oh, really? Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:51 You don't remember Tankers, dude? I remember Tankers. And I think it was Danny Rose's dog, right? Yes. But I don't remember if he was that well, as well-trained as this dog needed to be. I don't know. Because this dog was great.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Anyway, Elliot has the idea hey you've lost baxter this this this dog's owner has just passed maybe you she should probably check with the family first but anyway she gives the dog's kill zone um okay so just as you mentioned i laughed out loud when sarah says the main reason that she stopped camping was Blair Witch Project. And Sarah's timing on this is just chef's kiss. She kind of gets lost and she goes, that and the timing. Wolf mounted me. She is so fucking funny. Dude, she's amazing.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Her timing is... She's amazing, dude. Don't you ever not say that Sarah Chalk isn't fucking hilarious. Dude, there are... Listen, yeah, you cannot say that. You cannot say that. And then I got to play 30 seconds, since I'm allowed to, of this beautiful Brett Denon song that ends the episode.
Starting point is 00:55:10 There ain't no reason. Do you remember how you got that song? I know Brett Denon. That's how I got the song. No, this is what happened. We both know Brett Denon. And you were looking for a song at the end of the show. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:55:21 And I said to you. Oh, you're going to take credit for this. I definitely am taking credit for this, because I was the one that said you should play this shit. All right. So I said to you... Oh, you're gonna take credit for this. I definitely am taking credit for this because I was the one that said you should play this shit. Alright. So, I'll give it to you. This is Donald's idea. And you were like, that's a fucking good idea. You were like, that's a fucking good idea.
Starting point is 00:55:36 We'll talk about it. That's a fucking good idea, Donald. And I was like, yeah, I know it's a good idea. ZB? And you were like, yo, you know what? I'm gonna put Brett Brett Dennett's There Ain't No Reason. Don't talk over Brett. But we've got to talk over him. We only have ten more seconds.
Starting point is 00:55:53 If we talk about him. I wish I could play that whole thing. But that's 30 seconds of Ain't No Reason by Brett Den and a fucking amazing song and an amazing artist by the way
Starting point is 00:56:09 he just put out new he just put out new music and you ever hear him you ever hear him and Raiden do Simon and Garfunkel no
Starting point is 00:56:17 it's pretty good he's so talented and he's a you know he go see him if he ever comes to your city or town
Starting point is 00:56:24 Brett Den and D-E-N-N-E-N alright okay we gotta get to the caller but hold up last thing it and he's like you know he he go see him if he ever comes to your city or town uh brett den and d-e-n-n-e-n uh okay we gotta get to the caller but hold up last thing before speaking of simon she's a racist thief heather we learned we learned that she's a racist last thing about simon and garfunkel since we talked just as i said it i had no idea that they wrote like a bridge. Well, Paul Simon wrote. That, I had no clue. I had no clue. The fire. I knew that. Like, my kid's like, Dad, could you play Hello, Darkness?
Starting point is 00:56:54 Like, Rocco loves that shit. That shit's weird to me. And then we end with Laverne in a coma, which is a dot, dot, dot to be continued. And that really cool last shot we mentioned. All right, we're taking a break. We'll be right back. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in, a new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that's bringing you a daily dose of joy.
Starting point is 00:57:25 I'm Danielle Robay. And I'm Simone Boyce. Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters. We've covered the news and we know the world can feel heavy, but the Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new and get into some friendly debates. That's right. Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the bright side. We'll hear from celebrities, authors, experts, and listeners like you. Whether it's relationships, friend advice, or figuring out how to navigate life's transitions, we'll talk through it all together. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Hi, I'm Martha Stewart, and we're back with a new season of my podcast. This season will be even more revealing and more personal with more entrepreneurs, more trailblazers, more live events, more Martha, and more questions from you. I'm talking to my cosmetic dermatologist, Dr. Dan Belkin, about the secrets behind my skincare. Walter Isaacson, about the geniuses who change the world.
Starting point is 00:58:35 Encore Jane, about creating a billion-dollar startup. Dr. Elisa Pressman, about the five basic strategies to help parents raise good humans. Florence Fabrikant about the authenticity in the world of food writing. Be sure to tune in to season two of the Martha Stewart podcast. Listen and subscribe to the Martha Stewart podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. iHeart podcast update this week on your free iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Growing up at a time when there was no distinction between what's public and what's private. Best of both worlds. A discussion on work-life balance, career development, parenting, time management, productivity, and making time for fun.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Hear these podcasts and more on your free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. I used to have so many men. How this beguiling woman in her 50s. She looked like a million bucks. With zero qualifications. She had a Harvard plaque. Tricks her way past a wall of lawyers and agents. She's got all of these Maseratis and Bentleys all in the driveway.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Is it like a mansion? Yes, it's a mansion. That this queen of the con uses to scam some of the biggest names in professional sports out of untold fortunes. About $6 million. Approximately $11 million. Nearly $10 million was all gone. Employing whatever means necessary to bleed her victims dry. She would probably have sex with one of her clients. Hide your money in your old rich man, because she is on the prowl.
Starting point is 01:00:26 Listen to Queen of the Con, Season 5, The Athlete Whisperer, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back! Who tanked forever? Okay, let's bring in a caller, Joelle. We got a caller! And we're back Wu-Tang forever Okay, let's bring in a caller, Joelle We got a caller
Starting point is 01:00:49 Who gave us a holler We can talk, start wars, or sing show tunes You know, like a baller Smoke some jazz cabbage Maybe talk about the episode So come on, Joelle Let's get the show on Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for
Starting point is 01:01:08 Lindsay Farmer. Lindsay Farmer, thunderous applause. Lindsay, I hope you're not, you are parked. All right, calm down. You are parked, right, Lindsay? Because it does look like you're in the driver's seat of your car. We don't want you to get hurt. Yes, I am parked. I wanted to make sure that I would be able to hear you guys. And so I figured I would pull over and go ahead and be able to do this today. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. We love having people come on, especially people who are sane.
Starting point is 01:01:38 You seem so far so sane. Well, I'm not driving. This is my second time. Oh, I'm sorry. I knew the name sounded familiar. I was like, I didn't remember you. Tell me why. Joe, tell me why.
Starting point is 01:01:49 Remind us because we do talk to a lot of people. Why? So I know why. Why am I correct in saying that your brother adopted two children, black kids, and he was on the show show with his wife asking about... I was on with him. So this was my brother-in-law and I were on.
Starting point is 01:02:12 We did the picture live because they were going to be raising two kids from foster care. They were raising two kids in foster care who are very close to age. So they talked about twins. So I was on the episode with Shea Serrano. Right, that's what it was but i knew it was i knew it was a good memory donald but she sends me updates on what's going on with her brother-in-law and the kids and they at the time
Starting point is 01:02:37 they were foster kids now they are both fully adopting her story bro let her tell her halfway halfway there. Tell the story. What's been happening? Yeah. So they've been continuing to foster these kids. They started fostering them. They got them both in their home the same day in 2020, in August of 2020.
Starting point is 01:02:57 And we were on April of 2021. And so they've continued to grow into adorable toddlers. And on April 21st, yeah, April 21st, Maya's adoption was finalized. And little Jay's adoption should be finalized sometime later this year. Oh my God. Congratulations. And what an under applause applause oh my god she's showing us a picture what beautiful children and how's it going um um how's it i mean obviously it's going well but i mean um uh are the kids adjusting well is it you know it's tell us more this is all that they've known really they both came into foster care pretty early in age um but we also that this is kind of a perfect month to talk about this because this is actually national foster care month
Starting point is 01:03:51 right don't you work in the foster care system in some way as well too yeah yeah for a stoner you have a really good memory right dude i'm telling you the weed doesn't make me forget shit like that it makes me forget please don't curse in front of our guests sorry um yes tell us about nasa i should stop it tell us about um um foster care adoption month is that what is it called sorry yeah it's national foster care month and so this is a month again to just really raise awareness about foster care and the need and there are on average 400,000 kids in foster care across the U.S. And so there's just a high need, especially in a lot of states right now, there's a really high need for people to foster teenagers. I know in the state of Texas, a lot
Starting point is 01:04:39 of people, there's kids that are sleeping in the offices right now. I know in the state of Georgia, there is a really high need. Kids are having to either go to group homes or even go to group homes that are significantly farther away than the county that they actually came into foster care in. So we have a huge need for people to foster teenagers and they get a little bit of a bad rap,
Starting point is 01:04:59 but they really just want people who are willing to work with them. And is this because people are more willing or interested in fostering babies or small children? Yes. It's also tougher to, you know, people look at it as it's tougher to adopt teenagers because they come with all of this baggage as well they've grown up in a system that pretty much could also break them as well as you know it's not you don't hear a lot of stories of kids coming out i was uplifted by a b you know what i mean and so it but you can also
Starting point is 01:05:40 change someone's life yeah i can that's what i was about to say. Lindsay, I completely hear where you're coming from because you could really change somebody's life. Now, Lindsay, I'm sure people who are considering it, especially a teenager, they might go, okay, but what if it's a debacle? What if it's just a bad fit? What if we're oil and water? I would feel horrible returning the child. little horrible returning the child. I mean, explain to people who are listening, who might be open to the idea, but worried about, you know, sometimes it's just not a good fit. Like what happens then? Yeah. And that's one of those things where, again, we try to put supports in as much as we can. And we try to give foster parents as much information ahead of time about this child.
Starting point is 01:06:23 Sometimes there are those options of trying to do some transitional visits, especially if people are interested in adopting teens. We absolutely, it is a big matching process. And so I have a couple of different families that I've helped kind of do that matching process that we had one that we, the adoptions case manager and I were both able to look, I was able to look at the family that I was working with that was interested in adopting. And she was able to look at the family that I was working with that was interested in adopting. And she was able to look at some of her children who were in need of placement. And we kind of talked about their personalities. And we were able to match a kid and a family that it was the best thing ever when he told his case manager, oh, my gosh, this is my family.
Starting point is 01:07:00 They're the same type of weird as me. I think that's great. So you're so, so for, for, for those of us who don't know much about this, you're not just dropping a teenager off at someone's house. You're there. They're there. They're testing the waters. Maybe they go bowling together or they go to the movies together, that kind of thing. If you're fostering,
Starting point is 01:07:19 it can be a little bit more of dropping off at the house and you kind of just kind of roll with it. If you are interested in specifically adopting a teen who is already legally free for adoption and just needs a home, which there are a huge amount of those in every state, there's websites called there's America's Kids Belong. And then each state has the one of theirs. So like I live in Georgia and it's Georgia's Kids Belong. And you can go on those websites and look and see what kids are available for adoption and what some families approve for that. They can inquire about different kids and our agencies will then look and say, OK, this family said that they're open to this type of background and this type of needs. And you say, OK, this kid, yeah, this kid has this need and this need, but that family is open to it.
Starting point is 01:08:02 And then we kind of look to and like our families have adoption flyers. So it explains all about who those families are. And then their case managers, the kids case managers can look and say, Oh yeah, my kid is really interested in this. And my kid, and I've had ones too, where I've had families where it's like, Oh, they're a single family without any kids. And you're actually, this kid would probably really benefit from that because he needs more of that one-on-one attention. Or I've had families too, where they're like, we actually, they could really benefit from having additional siblings they've already been around a bunch of kids they would love to be around more I've had ones where it's the kids too like they maybe really love video games and that's what the parents love or they love hiking
Starting point is 01:08:37 and that's what the parents love doing so trying to find some of those matching yeah um and then too when it's an adopt it's's a potential adoption. There are those, we call them transitional visits. And so they can do visits where it's a first, like a two hour meeting and then an extended one. And then they do a couple of visits where the kid might go hang out at their house to be able to get to know them better overnight visits. So it is a transitional period that can be anywhere from like 30 to 60 days to help everyone feel comfortable and to make sure that, yeah, this is a good fit and that this will work out well. Yeah, I think that's smart. When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it's powerful. That's where The Bright Side comes in.
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Starting point is 01:13:16 like a really good website to go to where they, where they can get more information? Yeah. Yeah. So again, depending on your state, just Google, if it's like, again, if you're Georgia, Georgia kids belong. If you're a California, I'm sure there's a California kids belong or America's kids belong. Just Google that. You'll find the main website. And then I highly recommend you there. The thing I love about social media is that there really are a ton of families out there on social media who are doing this. One of my favorite people to follow, she's at Family and Coffee. And what I love about hearing from her experience is she was in foster care herself when she grew up.
Starting point is 01:13:53 Then she took guardianship of some of her siblings. And she is currently, not only is she a child protective services worker in San Diego, but she also is fostering, she's fostering one teenager, has guardianship of another teenager, adopted another teenager, has adopted a younger child that's I think three-ish now, has a biological kid of her own, and is helping with one of the
Starting point is 01:14:21 teenagers has a son of her own. So they are also grandparents at the age of like 28. Oh my goodness. So there are a bunch of options that you can do that you can, that you can be also, you don't necessarily, if adopting isn't necessarily the road you want to go or, uh, foster isn't necessarily the road you want to go. There are other things. There are other options out there to be a positive influence in someone's life. Absolutely. And there's a national, it's called National Angels, but a lot of different states have, states or cities have their own chapters of them. Atlanta recently got a chapter last year, Atlanta Angels.
Starting point is 01:15:01 And what they're really great about is that they will partner volunteers with families that are fostering or adopting. And they kind of come in and are like monthly, they just love on the family. They bring them goodies, they check in with them. I've had this program, I've had foster parents be able to go for a run on their own while someone comes in and hangs out with the kids. And with this program too, they do the full background checks so that those families don't have to worry about it, but they get extra support system. And so that's a huge need in your areas if you want to be a support to foster families and adoptive families. And then National Angels also does a mentorship program. So if you are interested in mentoring a foster youth,
Starting point is 01:15:40 I think it's 11 to 18 or even older for some of our kids who are still in care after 18. Um, that's a great way again, too, that they, and they are all about pairing up too. They don't want to just stick you with a random team, but they want to see, Hey, maybe you have the similarities of this common background as a teenager. That's so smart. Like, Oh, this teen is obsessed with, uh, video games. Oh my God. That's, that's my husband's favorite video game. You know, like little things like that, like finding ways to match them up. I love that.
Starting point is 01:16:11 Wow. You know, my sister was adopted, but she was adopted when she was a month old. So it was, I only mentioned it because it was, my parents didn't have to face some of the, some of the issues that people have to face when a child's been living on earth and, and, and living a tough life for a while. Not to say that issues don't come up with adopted children of,
Starting point is 01:16:37 of any age, but, but she turned out to be a pretty amazing woman. And that's, I, I like that you brought that that up to Zach, because it is one of those things that sometimes it's easy for people to think like, oh, if I adopt an infant at birth or if I adopt a child that's really young, there's not going to be any trauma. And that's not identity. Identity issues. Right. Lindsay, identity issues happen no matter. Of course, of course, because my sister was Mexican-American and was brought into a suburban Jewish home and named Shoshana. And I think really had, like Donald said, identity issues as she went through school and also had learning disabilities, which can be common. I know a lot about this because my parents are both – both my mother and stepfather are psychologists who specialize in adoption. Yeah, I love when your mom came on. It was really interesting to have her on. My stepfather and mother treated for years.
Starting point is 01:17:35 They're both semi-retired now, but treated for years, adopted children, adopted parents, birth mothers. This was an area of their expertise and interest. So I do know a lot about it. And I'm just so glad that you're on here talking about it, because I think there's, you know, we have so many listeners all across the globe, and I'm sure there are people that are like intrigued, but they don't, you know, this might be the thing that makes them go, let's look into it. Let's see, let's, you know, let's go to that website. So I really appreciate you coming on and talking about it, especially since this has gone so well, the initial story
Starting point is 01:18:12 that you came to us with. It turns out it looks like a beautiful, happy family. And they too, we talked a lot about the idea that because they're so close in age, it's going to be a lot like twins. And it's been really fun to see. They very much so. They are best friends. Donald had talked a lot about and Shay had talked about kind of like be prepared. They're going to gang up on y'all one day.
Starting point is 01:18:38 And it's been really fun to just see how much best friends they are. My sister sent me a video just like about an hour ago of the two of them playing peekaboo with each other and just cracking each other up. Or like my niece just switched over to the big girl bed. And my sister's like, the only problem is she will, they're still sharing a room and she will, if she wakes up early in the morning, she will go over and she'll wake up her brother and she'll bring him books and toys to play with. Help him escape, help still in the crib. Help him escape the crib. There was some viral video of a
Starting point is 01:19:14 toddler helping a baby or something like that escape the crib. It was very funny. We recently got to do a trip to Disneyland too. I know how much Donald loves Disneyland. Yeah, Disney's very important. They are obsessed with the It's a Small World song.
Starting point is 01:19:31 Oh, God. I don't like that ride. I skip that ride when I go there. Donald doesn't skip anything. That was the first ride we had to go on when we went with my daughter. No, with little kids, I understand. You got to do it. But Donald would go on that shit as an adult with no kids with him.
Starting point is 01:19:50 Donald doesn't skip a ride. Yes. My nephew's obsessed with cars, too. So we had to go take him on Octopia. And that was my brother-in-law's one request from that day. He's such an easy chill guy. But he was like, I have to be the one that takes little Jay on the Octopia. Well, we have a really great photo of Jay started started screaming crying when they tried to get him on the ride
Starting point is 01:20:09 and then of course as he's turning around and coming back from the ride he's in such a happy mood and then it was he was screaming and crying when um he asked my mom he's like more car more car my mom was like sorry we're all done today so it was more tears for dad is there a way um joelle for us to if she's willing to share um that that one of those pictures with our with our viewers where can we put it if they're willing to share the photo i mean we could just put it on our yeah i'd say you could post it in your stories or yeah yeah tag tag me and donald in that in that first picture uh um it's a beautiful thing and then you guys if you're curious you can look at um on instagram on pictures we're tagged in um do you have any questions no i think i think we've i think we've asked her a lot of questions um we've gone so long today but maybe you do i don't know
Starting point is 01:20:56 lindsey well i did i did take some prep so i had a couple different ones but i'll ask you guys let's just do one since we've gone so long today go ahead totally um the one i wanted to ask you guys is i've loved hearing all you guys talk about what you really brought like what you took away from doing eight nine years of scrubs and all the things you learned from it the friendships that you've talked about that was like your film school what do you guys think that so far you've done the podcast now for two years what do you guys think you're going to take away from the podcast that's such a great question wow i like i gotta be honest with you a lot of it is positive stuff and like uh uh reassurance and um i never thought i had a voice for radio i'm pretty sure i got a voice for radio now you know what i mean yeah you do baby baby. Thank you, baby. Thank you very much. And so that's one thing.
Starting point is 01:21:49 The other thing that I know I'm going to take away from this is I'm not taking this for granted. I'm enjoying every moment of this. And even on the days when I do not want to do the podcast, there are days where we do it or we record on Thursdays where it's, you know, 11 o'clock. And I'm like, I really want to do so many other things right now. And then we wind up doing the podcast. And I have so much fun. I'm the same way. I would say the same way. Some days you're just like, oh, I'm just not in the mood to do it today.
Starting point is 01:22:26 And then I watch the episode and I smile. And then I get with these guys and I just, it's like therapy. You know how there's like laughing therapy where people literally sit in a circle and go, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. It's like that. I know that guaranteed I'm going to hang up off this Zoom happier and having laughed for an hour and a half. So I'm not going to take that for granted. I took scrubs for granted. I thought that work, that type of work or that level of work would be forever.
Starting point is 01:22:59 And it's not necessarily forever. Wu-Tang forever. Well, that's one thing that is forever. We all know this and also we just um we you know the idea was initially just me and him talking and this idea of uh the friendships we've made with daniel and joelle and and how much they bring to the show you honor me and and and just everything about it it's it's it's so fun. It's magical. It started during the pandemic. We still haven't figured out what we're going to do after.
Starting point is 01:23:29 We have all sorts of ideas. The latest is a rewatch podcast of different strokes. Well, and I have to tell you guys, too, really, it has, and I know you've heard this from a ton of people, but it really was a gift. I started listening to this almost right away. I, even though I had roommates, neither one of them was like isolating with me those first few weeks of the pandemic. My birthday was early in the pandemic when it started. And so like, this was something to look forward to like every week. And when you guys were doing it twice a week, it was like, if I had to do documentation or something that I didn't necessarily love doing a part of my job, I wouldn't be listening to that. It was like guarantee. If I woke up on a Tuesday or
Starting point is 01:24:07 Thursday morning and now waking up on a Tuesday morning, I know that I have that to look forward to. You're very sweet. Thank you. And to all of you listeners, thank you. We don't say it enough. Thank you all across the globe so much for tuning in. We're very lucky to have you guys. We're very lucky. We appreciate you. Honestly, I've said it before. This is, it's a very lucky to have you guys. We're very lucky. We appreciate you. We, we, we honestly,
Starting point is 01:24:27 I said it before. We'll say it again. We never, never thought we thought it would just be our moms and a few friends. Now our moms don't listen, but not even our friends listen, but, but I was with Carrie last night.
Starting point is 01:24:39 I was with Carrie last night. And he was like, I was listening to this podcast and I was like mine. He goes, no. And it's always, it's always the, you know, you assume that your friends listen to it. So like the other day on the podcast when I was talking, and they're like, I have no idea. Do you have a podcast?
Starting point is 01:24:57 Like, there are members of my family that are like, you have a podcast? Yeah. Well, anyway, to you out there who do listen, thank you so much. This is so fun for us. And we hope we bring you the same level of smile that we bring each other every week. Sorry. Last thing. Donald, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:25:14 I'm only going to say this this last time. Well, I'm going to say it again probably because I am sounding the battle cry. Fake doctors, real friends, listeners. Uh-oh. My Instagram has not moved in a really long time. I didn't know where this was going. We were doing some really good numbers, you guys. We were pushing numbers that I hadn't seen since the Clueless era.
Starting point is 01:25:44 You know what I'm saying? There was no seen since the Clueless era. You know what I'm saying? There was no Instagram in the Clueless era. But we were pushing numbers like that. Okay? Okay, so follow Donald Faison. We're not pushing those numbers again. As a matter of fact, I feel like we're receding like my hairline. Why do you sound like Fred Sanford right now?
Starting point is 01:26:04 I do? That's a compliment. No, you're doing like Wheezy. What did he say? Wheezy. Oh, shit. Wheezy, I'm coming. I sound like Red Fox?
Starting point is 01:26:11 Yeah, Wheezy, I'm coming. You just made my day. I'm coming for you, Wheezy. Not Wheezy. Sorry, I'm conflating two things. What did he say? Wheezy is... No, sorry.
Starting point is 01:26:19 What did Red Fox used to say when he was coming for his wife in heaven? Well, there's Aunt Esther. I'm coming for you, Edna. Was that who it was? Edna, yeah. I'm coming, Edna. I'm coming. That was the funniest show ever. Donald, I gotta add one more thing, too. I love that this shirt behind you guys kind of reminds
Starting point is 01:26:35 me of the Cher Horowitz skirt, which is crazy because I like this long one and then the yellow and the black. That's the actual dress from the movie actually stop it no it's not alright we gotta go guys
Starting point is 01:26:51 you guys are worse than Daniel we had her same thing with the Leroy Jenkins thing follow Donald on Instagram follow me on Instagram Leroy Jenkins on that note 5, 6, 7, 8 on Instagram. Follow me on Instagram. Leroy Jenkins! On that note,
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