Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald - A Shea Serrano Classic

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

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and as well as Lettucey. Listen to QLS on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I missed you, girl. Girl, let me tell you something. I missed you, girl. Girl, let me tell you something. I missed you, too. Look at that tricep, though. You like that? Yeah.

I mean, for a guy that doesn't even lift anymore, you got a nice tri-tri. I lift a little bit. I lift a little bit nowadays. No, you said you're just doing Peloton, but you're not, like, curling iron. Oh, no, I got a couple of weights that I curl every now and then just to, you know, keep my shit quick. Oh, I just thought you were on a quarantine trip where you were just like cardio nothing else no it i thought you were about to say carbs and nothing else yeah i'm doing that too though by the way a lot of love a lot of love for the first uh animation we put out i love it

i love it and it's so funny it's only seconds, but I've watched it like 900 times. Yeah, it's like when we first heard the theme song. Remember how crazy we were going for the theme song when we first heard it? For those of you who don't know, this company, Cartooner Radio is an animation company in Brooklyn, and they did an animation of a moment of Donald and my podcast, of this podcast. And they just tagged us on Instagram. And we thought it was so funny.

We hit them up and said, you know, can we work out a situation where we'll obviously pay you, but will you do like some quick little 30-second moments from the podcast? And they thought that was awesome. And so now we're starting to roll some of them out. And the first one we just put on our Instagram today, although, um, this was, this was,

this will be like a week. This'll be a few, this'll be like a week ago, a week later. But anyway, they did the moment with Donald giving Jeff Zucker noogies. And the animation is so funny, dude,

your eyes are all fucked up. Bloodshot dude. Like they knew I smoked that shit and they knew i drank that shit that night well we did talk about how fucked up we were yeah but i didn't talk about how i smoked that shit like when you when you drink your eyes don't get red like that i know they made your eyes like hot pink but you know what they got you know what they got maybe they're listening and they got because another episode i mentioned how when you're hammered you have like this this what do you call this when you do this? It's a high

step. I got that shit from you though, dude. Right. Anyway, just a drunk high step and then when they, in the animation when you're headed over to Zucker, you're like, get over here. That shit's hilarious. It was funny. I laughed out loud and what I love about on Instagram, I'm sure they're doing it on yours too, people

are like saying, oh, you got to do this moment. Oh, you got to do the washcloth debate. You got to do this moment. Oh, you got to do the washcloth debate. You got to do this. They are doing that. What's crazy is that I think you need to tell each and every one of your followers that you demand that they follow me or fuck off. Because I – I would never curse at my followers, Donald. I don't – listen. I look at what your numbers are and I look at what my numbers are on Instagram and I gotta be honest with you, I'm a little

jealous, dude. I'm a little jealous. You're assuming that they're all scrubs, folks. They might be some people that love Garden State and don't... So where are my clueless people at, huh? Where are my Remember the Titans people at? Where are my motherfucking... I'm telling you right now where are my motherfucking waiting to exhale

people at? Where are my King's Ransom people at? Where are my Tripp exhale people at? Where my Kim's Ransom people at? Where my tripping people at? Are you going to name all your movies now? Listen, I got to put it out there, man, because where they at, they need to represent. Where are your Homie Spumoni people? Where them Homie Spumoni? Where my Next Day Air people at?

Yo, come on now. Homie Spumoni is a film that Donald made. It's basically the plot of The Jerk, except instead of a white baby being dropped off at a black family's home, Donald's a black baby that's dropped off at an Italian family's home, right? No, no, no. I'm not even dropped off. They literally kidnap me, pretty much. Oh, they kidnap you.

Yeah. They find me floating in a river in Italy, and the mom kidnaps me. Like Moses. Well, yeah, I guess so. But Moses was, you know... Wasn't Moses put in a basket and... Yeah, trying to escape, yes. Joel, do I have my Old Testament right?

Didn't they put Moses... Who did they put in the... Pharaoh's wife. Yeah, no, Moses was put in the basket. Yeah, and then Pharaoh's wife found him. Yeah, come on. I went to Hebrew school. Now, Donald, I was put in the basket. Yeah, and then Pharaoh's wife found him. Found him, yeah. I went to Hebrew school. Now, Donald, I have a question for you.

Homies Pomoni, for those of you who don't know. Whoopi Goldberg, the great Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi Goldberg's in it. And the great Paul Mooney. The great Paul Mooney. Now, you do an Italian New York accent, right? Give us a sample. Tony Napo.

Give us a sample. You want to hear a sample of my Italian accent? This is the character, right? Listen, all right, my name right? Listen, all right? My name's Renato, all right? And this is how we do things where I'm from, okay? It's very simple. It's almost like a New York accent, too.

It's like a New York. You know, I've seen a lot of your projects. It was a lot thicker back in the day. When I was doing it, it was so hard. Like, it was thick. You know, Jamie Lynn Sigler, right? Yes. Yes.

Was she your love interest? She was my love interest on it. She's like, you sound like the guys I grew up with. Oh, that's a compliment. Yeah, it was a compliment. I think she's a Jersey girl. Is she? I don't know.

Do they got a lot of Italians in Jersey? Listen, I got to tell you something. I've never seen that movie, but I... Dude, you've never seen anything I've been in. No, I've seen a lot of your stuff. Bullshit, man. I remember I showed you fucking Remember the Titans. I was like, yo, just watch Remember the Titans on a plane.

You got halfway through it, and you were like, I mean, it's cool. That's not a true story. That's not a true story. I'm going to watch that film because I know how much people love it, and I love Denzel. So you've never seen Remember the Titans? I have never seen Remember the Titans. See? That's what I'm talking about right there, guys.

But you didn't read the Garden State script, so fuck off. But I saw the Garden State script. No, you didn't even look at it. You didn't even hold the script in your hands. Yeah, I did. No, I said I would like you to read this, and you said, are there any black people in it? And I said, there's two, but you're not right for them,

and I already cast Method Man. And you said that I'm not reading it. Then I won't read it. That's right. That is true. But I will tell you this. What a dick. What a dick?

Dude. I'm going to watch Remember the Titan. I'm going to watch it tonight. We're looking for a movie for tonight. Yeah, please do. All right. I'm telling you right now. I'm going to lay it down.

I'm going to lay down the law. Where my kick-ass 2 people at Yo where y'all at Kickass 2 Donald's in kickass 2 Where y'all at Oh you're circling back to Instagram Well Donald I'm sorry that you're upset about this

I'm not upset I'm just a little jealous Well I think that you should give some love To the people that are following you So they don't feel like We don't matter to you Donald No they love to the people that are following you so they don't feel like, what, we don't matter to you, Donald? No, they definitely matter. You people that are following me right now, I love you. I love you tremendously.

You matter to me. Yes. You are special to me, and we together are building a great foundation and institution. Yes. a great foundation and uh an institution yes what is necessary right now is for you to tell your friends that 600 000 isn't enough tell your friends tell your wife listen today's a very special episode of this show because today's the first time we're having on as our guest someone who was not on the show um someone who had nothing to do with the show. But I wanted to have him on. We wanted to have him on because he's an incredible writer. And

amongst many things that he's written, he's written a self-published book about scrubs that I'm going to promote many, many times. It's called Where Do You Think We Are? And it's 10 illustrated essays about scrubs. And it was written by Shea Serrano. And it was illustrated by Arturo Torres. And it is really awesome. And he is I don't know how well you know Shea, but we'll get we're going to get him on before you tell me anything about how well you know him. But I follow him on Twitter and he's very entertaining. I don't know. I don't know him well, to be honest with you. But before we get into that five six seven eight about a bunch of docs and nurses so gather around to hear our gather around to hear our Wait for it.

There he is. Wait for it. He got the fresh cut and everything. Look at him. There he is. Fresh cut and everything, dude. Oh, man. It's so nice to finally meet you.

I am like one of your many, many Twitter followers, and I feel like I know you, but it's so nice to finally meet you in person. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm really excited to be here. I've been waiting on hold since 12 in the afternoon for three hours now, just so that I don't want to miss it. I didn't want to miss this one. You know what I'm saying?

You've been sitting there. You've been sitting there. We didn't put you on hold. This was like a self-proclaimed hold. Yes, he didn't want to fuck up, Donald, so he's been sitting there with his mic okay now shay before you say anything i gotta tell you i was doing research uh for the show on you because i know you um for being very popular on twitter i encourage you to follow shay and we'll get his handle out before the show ends but

he uh i'm reading all about you and your career is is amazing. But I started reading, like, he wrote this second book. It was called The Rap Yearbook, the most important rap song from every year since 1979. Then he's got another book called Basketball and Other Things that Obama said was one of his favorite things. And then he's got another. And I'm sitting here going, I'm going to lose Donald Faison to Shane. Like, I'm sitting here being like this was a this was a bad idea the man has written best-selling books on rap and basketball and i'm gonna lose him and you know what i love and you know what i love oh shit you know what's what's funny is is uh

i got a chance i met donald one time i don't know if you remember. No, I do remember. I remember. Look, before I even read the book. Oh, you read it. Oh, okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I didn't read the whole book. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's keep going. I didn't read the whole thing.

He's skinned that shit. Yeah. So, but before I even knew that it existed, Zach was like, you were coming on, and I looked you up on, I Googled you. And I was like, oh, I met this dude. I met this dude when I was going to do first take. I thought you were going to do first take that day also.

But I also met you. Your wife was with you, right? Is that your wife? Yeah. And she and I got to talk a little bit more than you and I did. But I mean, and then I read the essay. And you made it seem like you were like all crazy. Like, holy shit.

Holy shit. You guys were a little bit cooler than that now. Maybe that was you. Inside of my head. That was you in his head. Yeah, absolutely inside of my head. There's only been a few times in my life I was starstruck. It was me, Denzel Washington, and Michael Jordan.

I know. I know. I know. I know. Watching you walk in that room. I don't know if it's because I was surprised or because I had just finished. I was already working on the Scrubs thing, so I had gone through the whole series again, whatever it was.

But yeah, when you walked in there, I was like, holy fucking shit. I was trying so hard not to wig out. That's what's up. No, shit. You were there for a book, right? You were there for another book, but it wasn't the rap book. It was the basketball book, right? No, the basketball one came out in 2017.

October of last year, I did Movies and Other Things. Movies and Other Things. So that's when I was in New York doing all the press stuff. Okay. I'm sorry. Let me put a word in edgewise. See, this is what's going to fucking happen. This is my nightmare.

Right, Joel? Suddenly, they turn my mic down down and they just go off. Well, I just wanted to get into the basketball thing. All right, get into the basketball thing. You said you think my game would be more like, you imagine my game being like PJ Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to agree with that.

I'm going to agree with that. See, I knew it. I knew it. I had watched enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of jump shots, some defense, very competitive and talks a lot of shit. Yeah, that's me. That's me.

That sounds about right. I wish I had a little bit of a silkier game. I wish my game was more like Klay Thompson, but P.J. Tucker is spot on, man. He's a great, I don't even know if you would consider him a role player. He's just like a glue guy, right? Yeah, he's an essential player on that Rockets team. Laramie and I lived in Houston for 14 years so we were there like when he showed up and then he's one of those guys who like if you go to the city where he's playing everybody there just fucking

loves him yeah because all the stuff he does yeah now Shay I have a question do you know do you have your book like could Donald about your rap book and you know writes becomes a bestseller, including the rap yearbook, the most important rap song from every year since 1979, discussed, debated, and deconstructed. Billboard said this was one of the 100 best music books of

all time. Holy shit, man. Congratulations on an accomplishment like that. Round of thunderous applause. Dan, please put in some thunderous applause uh you won't hear it shay so just imagine it it's just it's like a stadium going crazy you listen to the podcast right shay i've seen you on twitter so you know you know how dan really brings the thunderous applause um now shay if donald were to say because donald loves rap if you were to like mention a year you don't have this memorized right or do you if he were to say like if donald were to say, because Donald loves rap, if you were to mention a year, you don't have this memorized, right? Or do you?

If he were to say, if Donald were to be like, all right, 97, would you be like, oh, this is what I wrote about that? I believe so. 97 is Puff Daddy, if I'm not mistaken. Which song, Puff Daddy? I want to say... You can look it up. It's all good.

As sad as I am about how well you guys are hitting it off, I just feel like once this rap conversation starts, it up. It's all good. As sad as I am about how well you guys are hitting it off, I just feel like once this rap conversation starts, it'll be Donald's favorite conversation in the world because he really, really loves rap. I do. As long as I've known him. Yeah, it's the best music in the world.

It was Can't Nobody Hold Me Down. Can't Nobody. Okay, with him and Mase? With him and Mase, yeah. Okay. That was the one. Because that was when rap had like, they were doing the whole shiny suit thing.

It was like, it became all about opulence and money. The Hype Williams music videos, right? Those ones came a little bit, yeah. So right around then. I remember around 97, I just picked 97. Can't nobody hold me down. It was a Hype Williams video. Yeah, I'm just saying,

because that was when I was PA-ing fresh out of college. I was PA-ing on rap videos in New York, and I don't really know the music that well, but I remember Hype Williams was a god at the time, and that was right around the time all those Mace Puffy videos were coming out. That was the one where they were in the desert, right? Yeah. Isn't J-Lo in it, too? Yeah, she's in that one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Donald, do you want to pick a year now that he's got it up? Just pick a year. I mean, okay, 92. That's in that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Donald, do you want to pick a year now that he's got it up? Just pick like a year. I mean, but, I mean, okay, 92. That's a hard one. 1992? Oh, like, I don't have the book up. I was just looking up the song.

Oh, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I just wondered if you knew. Yeah, that's no worries. But I will say, I know, like, I know 92 was nothing but a G thing. Nothing but a G, wow. Yeah, that was a song I remember. Right, that's a great record, man. Yeah, yeah.

It was really, really good. That Chronic was one of, oh my gosh, man. There were a lot of great albums that came out, though, I feel like in 92. You know what I mean? That was the year I graduated, I think, from high school. I'm pretty sure. I like that song, rolling down the street, smoking and sipping on gin and juice. That one's Snoop.

So that's on the Doggy Style album. And there's a constant debate between which is a better G-Funk album between Chronic and Doggy Style. Both are dope, man. Pick one. Which one do you want to listen to right now?

Shit, man. Well, because no. What one do you want to listen to right now? Shit, man. Well, because no, because what happened is with Doggystyle. Hold on, it's hard. He has to do what happened is. It's hard, man, because Doggystyle, Nate Dogg, all these cats are on that record, man. It's hard because it's like. Dan, can you put on the Jeopardy music? No, you know what?

I take it back. I'll go Chronic just because of deep cover. could feel it okay i heard that shit i remember when deep cover the movie came out and that song was on the deep cover soundtrack and my boy played me that shit and we listened to that shit over we listened to that song over and over and over again and this is before the beef with east coast west coast stuff and it was just like yo like, yo, this is the dopest thing I ever heard in my life. Yeah, it was one of those moments where you're like, I've never heard something like this. Yeah. You hear Snoop sort of lollygagging out into the song.

You're like, who is this guy? Yeah, that and the beat was fucking fire. And then the hook was, yeah, and you don't stop. Because it's 187 on an undercover cop. That's too good. Did they ever make a documentary about this? Because I read that there was talk of it. Did they ever make it?

A documentary about? Of your book. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what happened is a production company got the rights for it, and then we signed up with The Roots. They became executive producers on it. And then we sold the series to AMC, and they did they did a six episode thing where it was like six episodes each episode was about one particular song they're an hour long and and so it became like a video over it was

really cool i got to go out to new york uh where they did like a concert the roots did a concert before they and then they showed the the that one of the episodes the one that they did on um on jesus walks and it was it was really really cool to watch so cool because as i'm listening And then they showed one of the episodes, the one that they did on Jesus Walks. It was really, really cool to watch. That's so cool because as I'm listening to you talk about it, I mean, I just think it would be such an amazing – I can understand why it would be an amazing series. I want to check that out.

I definitely want to check that out. Yeah, it was great. You know what's neat is so we got all signed up, and we sold the series, and they started working on it, and they gave me the phone call. And they're like, hey, do you want to call in? And we're brainstorming and helping out doing whatever and i was like oh yeah yeah like that'll be cool because i like i know a lot about rap we're doing this whole thing

and i called in and black thought and quest love are both in there and like everything that somebody brought up like i had like a third-hand story like oh yeah i heard a story about a party that happened at this thing and no matter what it was, Questlove or Black Thought, they were like, oh yeah, I was at that party. I rode to, I was like, okay, all right. I don't want to,

I don't want to help anymore. Like, yeah, guys, clearly you got this. I'm just going to fall back. That's amazing. Yeah.

You know, I've been at some places like where crazy things happen, but like, and I was just, I just happened to be there when the things happened. Like, you know what I mean? Like I was at the party where Biggie got killed.

You know what I'm saying? You were? I never knew that. Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you hear the gunshots? I was outside, so I heard the gunshots. I spoke to him before all of it happened.

Oh, shit. You never told me this. You saved this for Shay? Well, dude, you're not a hip-hop fan. You're not a hip-hop fan. I mean, I'm not a hip-hop dude, but I'm never told me this. You saved this for Shay? Well, dude, you're not a hip hop. You're not a hip hop fan. I mean, I'm not a hip hop dude, but I'm a pop culture fan. You could have told me you were at that fucking event. Yeah, dude.

I was at that event, and I spoke to him. And then the next morning, I found out he was dead. I actually found out that night that he had gotten shot. Somebody came around the corner and told me, you know, yo, they just fucking got big. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. And I remember telling Ricky Bell from Bell Bib DeVoe. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. And I remember telling Ricky Bell from Bell Bib DeVoe. And he was like, shut the fuck up, D. You don't know what you're talking about.

And then the next morning, my boy Dion Richmond called me up on the phone and was like, yo, they killed big last night. And I was like, holy. And I was like, holy shit, I was there, dude. I spoke to him right before. You know what I mean? There's a couple of instances. Like, I was at Nell's the night all that shit went down with Tupac and the girl on the dance floor and stuff like that.

Like, I was at the club hanging out with my friends and stuff like that. And I was there. Like, just a bunch of things, man. It's weird. My connection to hip-hop runs deep, man. I love it so much. And when I was younger, you would frequently find me at some of these events that were considered, you know, later on that were considered iconic or pivotal moments in artists' careers, especially in Tupac's and Bigg's. Those were two big moments. One was the death of one, and one was where everybody started looking at somebody as a true troublemaker, which was bullshit.

One was where everybody started looking at somebody as a true troublemaker, which was bullshit. But that was what, from that moment on, Tupac's lane shifted from actor, rapper to activist to his whole run with Death Row and the whole East Coast, West Coast beef and all of that stuff. A lot of it stemmed from that moment. Do you think it was your fault? I don't know anything about the studio right right you know like that butterfly effect thing where one thing happens and then it causes everything to happen right if i take myself out of the equation all of that everyone would have got a long five everybody would have got yeah donald donald like bumped into some waiter who then got in a bad mood and was rude to tupac and all of a sudden all this shit happened because donald did it do i do either of y'all follow a writer named chio hadari coker no idea okay so he he like works on a a ton of

stuff but he like worked on the biggie movie um low riders creed 2 like a bunch of the stuff that i like so i started following him but just today he was talking about uh i think it was today maybe might have been last night or yesterday but he was was talking about when Tupac did Juice, and he was saying when he got the role of Bishop, which was the guy who causes all the trouble in it, that was the beginning of his gangster rapper. It set him on that path. That's just crazy to think about.

A little thing like that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I was in Juice. I had a really tiny role in that movie. And the one thing I remember the most about that movie was the premiere. And after seeing it and you know, Tupac walking into the, it was like at Lowe's on 42nd street or something like that. It was in time square.

I remember that. And he walked into the area where everybody was being let out of the movie and it felt like he had like the glow around like the bruce leroy glow around him man because you just knew at that moment he was out of here so good yeah he was just out of here that's when i became a a fan of his you know what i mean like as an actor i've you know checked on his stuff all the time all of the movies he made and stuff like that. When I was younger, I remember thinking he's a better actor than he is a rapper, dude. I remember thinking that as a kid.

That's like an argument you could honestly legitimately make. He was unbelievable as an actor, yeah. Yeah, he was a very good actor. So, Shay, tell us how you came to Scrubs and wrote this book because I was so this, this book, because I, I just, I've, I was so moved by a lot of it. I mean, it's funny, your book. Um, and, but also there's moments I was reading and that would, that would give me goosebumps. Cause you articulate moments in scrubs. Sometimes I think better than moments in scrubs even were. And I, and I, and no, I mean, and I appreciate that. I, we, we love what a fan you are. And I was reading something you wrote about the episode we're going to talk about today, my occurrence.

And I got goosebumps when you wrote it. It was about when I find out that Brendan Fraser's character has leukemia and Judy's standing there. And I'm not bullshitting you. When I rewatched the episode today, it was even more moving to me. It was a really unique experience because I don't even remember the moment. And then I read your essay in his book, Where Do You Think We Are? And it gave me goosebumps. And then I rewatched the moment today and I was so much more moved by it because I had your backstory. So I encourage you, if you're a Scrubs fan, to get this book. But anyway, I just wanted to know, it's a long question, but how did you come to Scrubs? And

then how did you come to write this book? I to scrubs late um this was this was back when it was on netflix so it's a few you know several years ago i didn't i had never really i didn't watch it when it was like on on abc or nbc or anything like that um but i started catching it when i think it showed up like on comedy central yeah you know on one of those like cable channels i was like this is this is like a cool show but there was no way to like re-watch the whole thing you just catch whatever episodes you can and then it popped up on netflix and laramie my wife she also likes his shows we're like oh let's like i haven't seen like the first four seasons or something let's sit down and watch it and so you like that's how it started was a few years ago and then it just became one of those

shows that we watched our whole way through it we like fell in love with everybody on there and it was one of the ones where it's like it's been a long day and i need to like unwind and relax and i need to like feel some emotions of some sort so let me put put this one on because i think you know i wrote this in a thing but i think scrubs is the best tv show ever at like balancing between those two worlds. Y'all talk about it a lot of the time, like how hard of a transition that is to make to from going from something like totally silly and like ridiculous immediately into something just outlandish or, you know, like crazy serious. So that's how we started watching that show. And it just became like like a ritual every

so often we're like we're gonna restart scrubs again and we're gonna watch it and then that's gonna be like what we do right on i love it and you and your wife get in debates about the show i saw and part of the book is an email conversation you have about whether or not she likes jd or not and i really appreciated your point of view more than Laramie's because Laramie loves the show, but JD's not her favorite character. And I appreciated Shay debating why he should be. Yeah, yeah. So we started watching the show and I realized like you watch a show and depending on like who you are or the type of person you are, you just watch it a little bit different than everybody else. And I realized at some point that we were very much watching the

show differently i was watching it waiting for like the jd moment to happen when you like make your eyes water or you like say a thing real seriously and she was watching it for like for like a turk and carla situation or a dr cox situation or whatever and so i'm like well we should let you know let's talk about this a little bit. That was cool. My fate, I was skimming through the book because, you know, I'm not a... Don't take it personally. He skimmed through the scripts for the fucking episode.

So don't take it personally. One, I'm not a great reader. And my attention focused on to, if J.D. and Turk were to ever do a buddy cop movie what would it be oh yeah yeah and you go through a bunch of a bunch of lists of what movies and I immediately went for running scared with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines like that's the immediate one I went to and I was like I bet you he doesn't have that on the list and sure enough it's right there on the list over the years we've always talked about it's it. Over the years, we've always talked about,

it's never happened so far, but we've always talked about wanting to do a buddy cop or buddy movie of some kind together. I was obsessed with trying to do like a Spies Like Us thing because I thought Donald and I could really do, we both love playing guy way in over his head. Yeah. And the idea, and like, I mean,

I don't want to, I would never dare to attempt to remake spies like us. Cause I love that movie. But the premise of that, like two spies that are fuck ups that get in way over their head. I thought Donald and I would be really funny at, but, but it's funny.

I don't know that you wrote a section of the book about that because Donald and I always talk about wanting to do something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, man. Oh, I was going to say,

that's how you could tell. I was like, I had just finished up the movie book at the same time i was doing the scrubs thing and i had re-watched all of like buddy cop movies and i was like oh this is like this makes too much sense no shit you work sorry go ahead don't it does make sense man i think turk and jd would and and and it really comes through zach on the episode your first episode that you directed where we're doing the whole Heather Graham thing. It really comes through there. That's a buddy cop movie or a buddy comedy in itself

right there. These two dudes go on an adventure. It's a silly one, too, so his boy can get some ass. You know what I mean? With a letter from Elliot. Actually, Shay, you wrote that in the book a little bit, too, because you're talking about Molly Shannon's character in that episode. And that's one of my favorite episodes ever.

We bring it up a lot because it was a pivotal moment for me because it was the first one I got to direct. And it was epic. And Donald and I went on a quest that all took place over one night. You know, for budget, most of the time we would, you know, be confined to the hospital with going out a little bit here or there. But, you know, it's very expensive to bring a full film crew out into the real world. And sometimes what Bill would do is he'd sort of save up. So we'd have episodes that were mostly contained to the world of the hospital, and then he'd use the budget money he'd save, then we'd do a big

ass one. That's why there'd be like The Wizard of Oz or the Medieval Times one or this one with Heather where we were out all night long. I wanted to ask you, Shay. I wanted to say just before we get into the episode, I really am impressed by how hard you hustle and work. And we're both on Twitter. We're all on Twitter. And I always see a lot of writers asking you for advice and how do I do it. I'm just so impressed with how hard you work. You write your ass off.

You then go off and you really talk to your followers and say, hey, support the cause. I'm here working my ass off and I made a thing I think you're going to like. I don't know. I've always been impressed by how hard you work and And I wonder if you, if you wanted to speak to that for, I don't know, for anyone, it could be about anyone trying to go after their dream, but you, you particularly do it with your writing. Yeah. Well, I think that's, that's probably like an extension of, of several different things. We grew up, like we live in San Antonio now, but I grew up like on the other side of town. We were like real poor poor nobody was like finishing school

or anything like that so like that's always in the back of my head like if shit goes wrong or if I make like a few mistakes we could fall all the way back there so that's that's part of it but also like in in the case of the the the scrubs thing like this was a thing that I was publishing independently though is you weren't going to find it in bookstores the only way anybody was going to find out about it was directly through me at the at the start of it you know so like i'm not going to just sit there and cross my fingers and hope somebody like backs their way into it yeah it's not you know i'm trying to be like the guys at the at the fucking mall that comes spraying you with perfume like you know what i'm saying like i'm gonna i'm gonna be that i going to be that kind of salesperson.

Or the guys in New York with the rap album. They're always trying to get you to buy their- Dude, that's the strongest hustle ever because a part of that hustle is also like strong arming you too. Yeah, I know. And I always do it. I always do it because I feel so bad.

By the time you've walked two blocks with them, you're like, dude, I'm okay. Not they're slick. See, they're smart. They're like, hey, hold this for me real quick. And two blocks with them, you're like, dude, I'm okay. Okay. Yeah. They're slick. They're there. See, they're smart. They're like, Hey, hold this for me real quick. And then you hold it and they're like, all right, that's $7. Like what the fuck?

I wasn't even, I wasn't even, I wasn't even, I wasn't even trying to buy it, dude. I was, but there's the best salesman, those guys. Cause by the time you've walked a block with them, you're like, yeah, yeah, I do need to hear this. You're right. That does sound good. Yeah. By the time you've walked a block with them, you're like, yeah, yeah, I do need to hear this.

You're right. That does sound good. Yeah. They get in your ear about it. Or sometimes it's like, dog, just give me the shit. But then they're like, Donald, come on, Donald. Keep it real, Donald. I seen, this is what I hate because I get a lot of this. I seen you in the movies, dog.

Don't let me, don't fucking let me down now. I didn't let you down. Don't let me down, all right? Well, I always think, you know, in my career, the things I've done that, you know, you have to put yourself out there. You have to really, you know, I write my own stuff. You get turned down a hundred times, and you just got to keep going and keep fighting for it and keep believing in yourself. And I think that's one of the reasons I really like what you say and do on Twitter, because you do a lot of philanthropic things as well. But you're also someone who's just like, I'm going to do this on my own. Sometimes

a publisher will publish it. Sometimes I'll publish it. But I'm always going to be doing my own hustle, which I really appreciate. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. So guys, we're getting to the episode, but go buy Shay's book. It's called, go to the website, sacredheartgang.com. Is that right, Shay? Correct. If you go to sacredheartgang.com, you can buy the book. It's a PDF you can download.

It's 20 bucks. It's really worth it. It's amazing. I've seen some people online are printing it out and kind of making their own book out of it. But support independent writers. He self-published this with amazing illustrations by Arturo Torres. And I really recommend it if you're a Scrubs fan. It's very, very entertaining.

Even the parts Donald skimmed, he loved. Can we talk about the illustrations real quick? Yeah, please. They kind of look like the New York Times times i'm not the new york times the wall street journal uh when they draw the pictures like they look like when somebody sits in front of you and poses and stuff like they're very they're very lifelike almost like a portrait is that what you're trying to say yeah kind of kind of like a portrait yeah absolutely yes though especially the one with brendan frazier on the for the title of the book.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Inside, when you get to that moment. And you even say at that moment, I didn't want to talk about that. I hate talking about this. And Zach, before we get into the story, I wanted to say this also. It made also me watching the episode again, it made it more impactful for me. Because one, I knew how it was going to work out

the way you laid it out in the book i knew how it was going to end up not only because i was in it but because of that but um okay but but it made it more impactful because what the way you described all of what was happening uh uh you told the story well, is my point. Well, that's good writing. He's writing his thoughts on something we were a part of, and I never had this experience before. I mean, I guess occasionally when someone writes a good review of something you've done, maybe it's similar. But you're writing his thoughts on this moment, and it made the moment for me as a part of it more impactful i thought that was really that was and then even where and then even where it stems from

how you bring it back to the episode where we lose you know where one in three patients die when they go into the hospital and everything like that and how you connect the this is how scrubs fucks you up they fuck you up by making you think you know everything's all right everything's all right everything's all right and then just when you're feel like you're out of the woods and you're safe they drop the fucking hammer on you you know what i mean and by the way this is how good shay's uh writing is uh he preempted brendan frazier being on this podcast so i want you to know shay that we and i'm announcing to the fans right here now that the next episode we'll have Brendan Fraser on this podcast. That's perfect.

That's perfect. So we want, Shay's going to come on and we're going to talk through Brendan Fraser's first episode. Then the next episode, we're going to have Brendan Fraser come on and talk about it. And then we'll eventually, I guess it's season three, we'll get to the big one that's a lot of people's favorite episode of all time. When Brendan, spoiler alert, dies. This also is kind of a precursor, the right word, to that episode. Like, this whole episode pretty much is a dream, dude. I didn't even remember that, by the way.

You know what I mean? A lot of foreshadowing. Yeah, a lot of foreshadowing right i i i didn't remember that either and i truly went on this journey with jd through this whole episode of him trying to you know rationalize why this oh this is a false positive test this test isn't it's not to code they're fucking up all day yeah i even made a note, and I even made a note, wow, Sacred Heart is making a lot of mistakes in this episode. Yeah, and also, by the way, first of all,

I was so fucking uncomfortable with Judy hitting on me, and I didn't remember that at all. But because Donald's my best friend in the world, I was nervous that his TV wife was hitting on me. I was like, I was like, my stomach was getting uncomfortable and then i noticed a very subtle thing i don't know if you guys noticed this

because i'm just very aware of the cinematography i don't know if it was larry trilling who directed by we should mention that bill lawrence wrote this one and larry trilling one of our favorite directors directed it and uh there was this weird sort of a very subtle filter on the camera for that fantasy that long dream sequence. And I didn't remember that it was a dream sequence. I remember like, Jesus, why is this? It's usually a filter you would reserve for a close-up of a woman of a certain age where you wanted to maybe soften her wrinkles a little bit or her eyes. But if you go back and look, it's on that whole sequence. And I was kind of like, why is this filter on?

And then I was like, does this just look weird on my computer? Like, what's going on? And then when it was revealed that the whole thing is a fantasy, I was like, oh, that was like a little subtle thing. There's lots of little subtle things they did, but that's one thing I noticed with the cinematography. It makes you want to go back and watch it again. I know.

It's a good show. Guys, it's a good show. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I'm shay's when you guys get shay's book you're gonna want to when you read his essays then you want to go back and go okay now i gotta re-watch that episode with this uh with this essay in mind all right we're gonna go to break and we'll be right back hi i'm martha stewart and we're back with a new season of my podcast. This season will be even more revealing and more personal with more entrepreneurs, more trailblazers, more live events, more Martha, and more questions from you.

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All right, we're going to go into this episode, guys. All right, I got one thing to say when we start off. What the fuck? Why do we have, like, a cheese plate with a meat, a cheese meat plate, the size of like when you go to a party at, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's, it's our cheese and meat night. And, and we, and we got like the Ralph's version of cheese and meat. Yeah.

It's like, it's only cheddar. It's only cheddar and American and white cheddar, yellow cheddar, and American cheese. It's the worst cheese bread ever. And then it's like roast beef, turkey, and all rolled up. By the way, it's cold cuts rolled up. What kind of charcuterie plate is that? And we're drinking wine with that. And this is our night out from the hospital.

Yeah, this is our big fancy night out. And Judy, Carla says she got a nice bottle of wine. And then Donald's right. If you freeze frame it five seconds on the plate we're talking about, it's basically cubes of cheddar and rolled up cold cuts. Well, maybe the rationalization was that we didn't know. We were so busy being doctors. None of us are cooks. And we're like, oh, we, we were so busy being doctors. None of us are cooks.

And we're like, Oh, we're going to have like an adult night. That's what they do. They have. So this is a good example of like one of the, one of the reasons I like to rewatch the show so much, because every time you rewatch it,

you're going to find like another little neat thing in there. So I noticed that she's saying same, same as y'all did when I rewatched it yesterday. And I was like, the only person in this room who is upset about the situation or the setup is carla which makes sense because she for that whole first season second season she's she's like the adult in the room yeah right and the other and the other three are just sort of pretending to be adults so they think like this is what it's supposed to look like and she's the only you know what i'm saying probably probably probably shay probably turk and and uh and jd were probably tasked with getting a nice cheese plate

and we went to fucking the supermarket we're like got one of those saran wrap jobs meanwhile she went to the liquor store and bought an expensive right and then we still fucked it up for her. I feel bad JD knowing so much about what celebrities are naked in what movies, but it was pretty funny when he's like, and tush tush. They have something

like that on the Playboy. I mean, never mind. This is obviously before a website like this existed, so it does come up in the episode but i don't think we should actively advertise them unless you want to hear it let us know okay hit up hit up donald on his instagram hit me up on my instagram yeah but you gotta only i'll only respond if you follow but make sure you follow him because he's very upset about his follower account but uh if you But if you don't want

to take the time to Google it, just ask Donald on Instagram. Shay, you want some of this, man? We can hijack some of Zach's followers, man, and get them on our team. Shay doesn't need my followers. He's blowing up. Well, then, Shay, share some of yours with me, brother. All right.

At 112, I was kind of taken, and I think this comes up in your essay, Shay, if I'm not mistaken, but you, we finally see Cox like someone. Um, right.

He seems to, he seems to never like anybody, uh, or at least be snarky with anyone and everyone. This is, this is sort of the first time, um, that he's really,

uh, we see how much he genuinely is. No bullshit has a friend. Yeah. That's really, it's really like an interesting creation of a character is to put somebody in in his orbit who just sort of takes away all of his like protective armor immediately like he has another friend later on the show michael boatman's character ron and then when he shows up and they're like clearly close friends but but at the same time they're like poking each other in the eye every once in a while with something but Brendan Fraser's

character Ben is the only time we see him where he is just wide open and like just having a good old time and he loves him yeah it's really it's really mirrors JD and it's like his Turk in a way just solely in the fact that like they're on a you know they're hugging

and they're and they're joking about hugging and they're, and they're joking about hugging and, and they're just very, they're being playing silly games, the thing with the card on their head. And they're just like, they're unabashedly themselves. Yeah. All of, all of the things that Dr. Cox says annoys him about JD. Yeah. The things that Brent, like he, he talks in the voices, he's very affectionate and you're saying're seeing like, oh, this is like, you begin to understand this is like why

he has such a fondness for JD is because he reminds him of this character. Oh, that's great, Jay. I really love that analysis. And I didn't see it. But it's funny. I was watching Brendan Fraser's choice in this character for the first time in 20 years.

And he is playing it very goofy and silly. And it's very JD-like. And it's funny that you say that, that I never thought of it like that. It's like you're seeing, even though Cox has to keep it down because he has to beat Cox to JD, there must be some aspect of JD

that reminds him of his good buddy. There's no question about it. There's no question. I like when I go to the bar at 123 when I go, neat hug. Yeah. What a fucking tool. Neat hug.

Go ahead, Donald. This is something that kind of bugged me the whole time we made this show, but later on, hindsight being 2020 nowadays, it's I wish, I'm so happy that this happened, the whole time we made this show but later on hindsight being 2020 nowadays it's i i i wish i'm so happy that this happened but brendan frazier brings a camera into the episode and it's a polaroid camera the old school polaroid old school polaroid camera and i'm not sure if we

were doing this before or if this is where it started but because of this moment right here it's like i have polaroids from you know what i mean i can answer this okay let's let's let's get into it because i i was wondering we have all of these memories on celluloid because because of someone bringing a camera and then it became It all began with this. Is this where it began? Yeah. So here's the thing. Krista Miller and I are both photographers as our hobby.

And we both are camera geeks. We love new cameras. We love old cameras. We'll like send each other eBay listings of cameras. She's a really talented photographer. And I like to think I'm not too bad myself. When Brendan Fraser came in, this was his real hobby, shooting with these old school Polaroids. As you guys see in the movie, the kind of Polaroid film, not that it just comes out automatically.

You pull it out and then you got, it's like shake it like a Polaroid picture. These you actually did have to wait for a minute for them to cook. And then you'd peel it off and there'd be a beautiful shot. And this camera that he's shooting with was actually Brendan's. And he brought it in. And of course, and he was taking pictures. All the pictures you see at the end of the episode in that tin that he has were all shot by him over the course of his week hanging out with us.

And then Krista and I, of course, got so into it. We're like, oh, my God, we got to get one of those. Where do we buy them? And then over the years, Donald, that you have a lot of polaroid pictures uh because i have a bunch of these cameras now right and i'm sure you i'm sure chris has given you some too because she does too but uh the bulk of the ones you have i'm sure i got super into it and i was going on ebay and buying all these old cameras that's why that's that it all started with this okay so all right that's what i was that's what i was running because it got ridiculous too at some point.

At some point, it was like a battle between everybody who took pictures on the fucking show to bring in their new toy. You know what I mean? Whether it was a Leica or a Canon or a fucking – or a point. This is the Rolls Royce of point and shoot or this is the creme de la creme. How do you think I feel when you're talking about your new animation gadget? But listen, I... I don't fucking sit...

I don't go to you, dude, man, I just fucking got a C-stand, man. I'm really excited. I don't fucking hit you up and do that shit. No, but on your Instagram, you post shit like, I'm doing... This is on the ones, and I just got this new gadget called LR259.

You think I give a fuck how you're animating? Just show me the finished product. No, but he's right. In addition to Chris and I, there's also a huge camera department and everyone in the camera department loves cameras. So, yeah, there was a lot of camera talk on the set. There was a lot of camera talk.

I'm sorry we annoyed you with that. It wasn't annoying. I look back at it now, and I'm so grateful for it because I have all of these memories captured. Yes. Now, I want to know why JD, who we've established as a very good doctor, albeit young, is passing out at a nail in someone's hand. I mean, hasn't he seen far worse things? That shit is gross, though, no matter how you look at it man no matter how you for for some reason he's he's fucking cleaned out people's rectums yeah but when the shit's still in you that's scary man because

it has to come out and when it comes look you see in the movies all right you ready? One, two, three. And then they pull it, and the person's like, ah! That was the first thing I thought of. I was like, they got to take that shit out. It didn't cross your mind. Well, as I understand it, being a fake doctor, you don't want to pull it out before you get to the ER, because then that thing is stopping the blood from coming out. In some cases, yes.

In some cases. By the way, please don't take this as medical. google please google the right thing to do don't listen because in some movies when dude gets shot with the bow and arrow or something like that or or or or get stabbed with a knife yeah and they gotta make the escape yeah you know it's the eye contact it's the close eye contact and everything where they're looking face to face. And they're like, all right, you ready? I'm ready. On three. One, two.

You said on three. That's true. Well, anyway, I thought it was surprising that the episode begins with J.D. passing out at a nail in someone's hand. Like he literally faints. He literally faints like a person in old movies faints. Right. Like, be still.

Yeah, like back of hand. The vapors. The vapors. Now, this is a real thing in hospitals. You know, mix-ups are, I mean, they've taken all these steps in the intervening years between this show and 2020 to make sure that fuck-ups are very, very, very rare. I just started watching this show on Netflix. It's a documentary show if you're into real doctor situations called Lennox Hill where they're following around real doctors. And I just noticed that they go in to do brain surgery on someone and there's this whole process where they're like,

we'll be doing this on the right side of the brain. Does anyone hear right? Raise your hand if you heard right. And there's this whole system in place now where the nurses are like, I heard right. I heard right. I heard right. And they're like, he signs his name on the woman's skull

before the surgery. My point is, everyone in the medical community who listens to this show is laughing at me because I'm explaining it so horribly, but it made me think of that because there's so many systems in place now to make sure fuck-ups happen less because it is a thing in hospitals.

But it's also really funny how they figure out the mess-up was happening. You know what I mean? Wait a second. I imagine that this guy is Jewish. Yeah, of course he is. Then why isn't his penis circumcised and then todd runs in hey dr win uh wants to know if there's some sort of mix-up because

our appendix surgery doesn't have an appendix and then he walks into the room and he's like can you believe what the whoa what is going on here that shit made me laugh so hard. By the way, I laughed so hard at that, but I didn't understand something. I mean, I laughed so hard at that, but isn't it just an uncircumcised penis? Why is Todd so freaked out by an uncircumcised penis? He's a fucking surgeon. He's not freaked out by it,

but what it is is, it's, you know, the person's covered in a complete sheet, right? And it's covering their whole body. And the only thing sticking out, and there's a big light shining on it, obviously, is this dude's penis. And his balls. And his balls, yeah. But by the way, Donald, if you fans are listening, go back.

You can see when Rob comes in and says, whoa, what is going on here? You can see Donald under his mask start to laugh. And like, Donald, I can see you biting your fucking cheek. That shit was hilarious. He's fucking, dude, man, I forgot how, I say this over and over again, Robert Macchio. Holy shit. I forgot how funny he is, man.

And we used to fucking fuck with him all the time. And, oh, let's go run line and everything. But he fucking crushes it every time. Every time. Dude, that's the funniest line in the show. Whoa, what is going on here? What is going on here? Even in my brain, I was thinking, like, well, why is he so surprised to see a penis?

But Donald, oh, man. Then I looked at at Donald and I know that looked better than anyone. You're lucky you had that mask over your face. Oh God. Because he's like, his face is like scrunching up like this. Nicole Sullivan's back. Krista Miller's back on this episode. Yeah, Krista's back. Nicole Sullivan's back.

Krista Miller's back on this episode. Yeah, Krista's back. The Nicole Sullivan story, you know, Shay, you could speak on this also. This was one of those things where you throw her in there just so you can, just so the audience remembers, okay, there's this character, and we have plans for her later on. And to make this connection,

to make what happens to her, to make you feel it more, we're going to introduce her on some silly shit just so you're comfortable like, oh, this is just somebody who comes into the space, into the universe for Elliot to make funny jokes with. And you kind of don't realize, okay, at the end of this,

something bad's going to happen, even though we're laying out the crumbs. You know what I mean? Some things, you things you know yeah she talks about that in in his book actually with with the brendan arc of it all about how bill wasn't was was totally not afraid to play the long game with these people right shea like like they laid the foundation for brendan and then that episode doesn't happen until two years later you know so that so that's the like the one question i wanted to make sure i asked when i came on here was when y'all are doing that stuff with with the with the cole sullivan character

with or with the ren and frazier character do you know ahead of time like okay and in fucking three years this is when we're gonna get rid no of the you just sort of well we should throw it to bill let's throw that yeah well well let's let's throw the brendan one to Bill. Let's throw that question to Bill. Well, let's throw the Brendan one to Bill because I was thinking about doing that as well. Bill, when you had Brendan on in season one for these two awesome episodes, we have Shea Serrano here. And of course, Bill knows who you are, Shea, because he hits you up.

I see him hitting you up on Twitter as well. Bill, was it your intention that you would kind of play the long game and then bring Brendan back in Season 3 for the episode Everybody Loves at the funeral? Was that on your radar this far out? Because, you know, we're talking about also the Cole Sullivan character and how one of the things you did really well in Scrubs

was not be afraid to play the long game with these characters. But first of all, Bill, please don't do the Fox 678. Hey, guys. game with these characters. But first of all, Bill, please don't do the Fox 678. Hey guys, I guess we'll just continue this relationship in which you only reach out to me when you need me. And I'm supposed to feel good about that. No, I

do feel good. Look, Brendan is an old family friend, a good friend of Krista's, and when we brought him on, initially we thought, wow, that's back when we'd kind of bring guest stars on, get to know them and kill them. But we thought it was kind of a good enough thing to give him leukemia and, you know,

kind of see Dr. Cox rise to the occasion and deal with it. The first episode is based on a short story called Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge by Ambrose Bierce, if anybody wanted to look that up. Second episode, it's just a cool excuse to use the Worthless Peons, Ted's band, and all you guys. And Brennan was so good when he agreed to come back. It was perfect because we were able to do

that sixth sense homage. So we always knew we wanted to kill him, but we hadn't planned. We had hoped, but hadn't planned for him to come back. And when that happened, it's one of our favorite episodes ever. All right. We have a fan that we're going to take. We're going to commercial, and then we come back. Do we ever go to fan and then go to commercial after the fan?

How come we always got to go to commercial before the fan? Is this like a – oh, because – and it's a segment thing. I got it. It's a segment thing. Yeah. I mean, when Joelle – we first started making this show, Joelle had a very organized list of the way the show would go. Right.

And since all we do is ramble all over the fucking place, we just occasionally ask her if we should go to commercial. I know. But it's always like – it's always a tease though for the it's always a tease for the people listening to the podcast oh we've got a listener here uh let's you know what we should probably go to fucking commercial but i think that i think that you know on on real tv shows and radio shows you want to you want the audience to stay on the line right on right on the fishing line you want to keep when we come back we're On the fishing line. When we come back, we're going to have an

exciting caller. But we don't do it that way. We never do it that way. We always do it that way. Let's try and sell it this way. Do you want to try and sell it? Like pretend that they might change the channel or switch to the... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't you touch that dial. When we come back, we'll have a caller. Don't you touch that dial. We'll be back in two and two.

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Hi, gentlemen. It's Dylan and who else? This is Cam. Dylan and Cam! There's your official Oprah voice, guys. That's the prize you get for making it on the show. You get an Oprah voice intro. Dylan and Cam!

Where are you guys at? It looks like you're in a bunker underground. Yeah, pretty much. We have a little bar area in our basement. We're kind of hunkered down right here. But we're in La Crosse, Wisconsin. Okay, Wisconsin in the house. Nice. Well, welcome, guys, to the show.

We have Shea Serrano joining us, who's written an awesome book on scrubs and is an incredible best-selling author. And he probably knows more about scrubs than Donald and I. No, he definitely does know more about scrubs than I do. Well, that's because Donald smokes a lot of weed. But you can ask us any question. Or maybe you're off. Are you off this hour, Donald?

Do you mean did I smoke today? No, because there was a couple podcasts ago you said you were taking a break from weed. And I wonder if that stuck. No, that night. Didn't take. Didn't take. Didn't take. That i that night i went back to the well uh he always tries to brag shay he's like yeah i'm off weed i'm like for how long

he's like an hour that's how it starts that's how it starts one step at a time one step at a time all right dylan and cam what's up what guys? Welcome. Yeah, good to be here, man. Really big fans and a really huge fan of Shay, too. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah, guys. Yeah, Shay. That's great. Did you guys buy the book? Oh, yeah. Oh, you printed it out?

Oh, my God. For you listeners, they held up Shay's book on The Office, and they had printed it out and binded it. So these guys are real Shay fans. Oh, I love, yeah, love Shay. Shay's probably my favorite author, yeah. Right on, man, right on. Thank you. Oh, wow. Nice, Shay. All right, a question for, I guess it's probably going to be for Shay, but Donald and I are here too. So I guess if you guys want to hop in with this too, but for Shay,

so you've written obviously conference room five minutes for the office. You've written, where do you think we are for Scrubs? Is there another show that you've been thinking about? Or is there maybe one that maybe Donald or Zach would really like to kind of see from you as well? Ooh, that's good. I like, I like my part, but you go first, Shay. There hasn't been one that I've thought of yet. Usually whenever I'm working on one of these, people will start tweeting me,

oh, do The Wire, do Arrested Development, do Sons of Anarchy or Mad Men or whatever. But mostly these things just sort of happen organically. I've been watching Scrubs for so long. I've seen it so many times. It was like, well, let me do something with all of the times I've seen it so many times it was like well you know let me let me do something with all of the times i've watched it and then it becomes like oh i was actually just working hard all of that time instead of just sitting around watching tv you know what i'm saying yeah that's a nice way to spin it you're like you're like i wasn't wasting those hours i was writing a book

yeah exactly i mean it's like a 180 something episodes of the show. You watch 90 hours of TV that you've seen four or five times all the way through. Um, but yeah, usually just if a show will grab ahold of me, then I'll, then I'll write about it. But I haven't,

I don't have any plans right now to do, to do another one. All right. I have an idea. Which one do you want? Which one do you want them to do? Uh, I was just,

well, the whole time he was talking, I was half listening and half thinking. And I think my, I think, I don't know if you watch the show shay donald i don't think watches it but i really loved atlanta oh atlanta's great that's a really good one and i think it's ripe for analysis because it's got so many trippy storylines and so much social commentary and i just i just think it's uh incredibly done yeah

that's a really that's a really good one but They're not done yet. You got to wait until they're done. A lot of people say The Wire is... I have to admit, I only watched season one. Please don't yell at me. A lot of people think that's the greatest TV show of all time. Is that on top of your list? Yeah, that's absolutely on there. The Wire, Breaking Bad, Soprano.

All of the main ones. I've never seen any of these shows. You haven't? No. You've never seen Breaking Bad, Soprano, all of the main ones. Right. I've never seen any of these shows. You haven't? No. You've never seen Breaking Bad? No. No, he only watched the finale. I watched the finale.

That was it. He only watched the finale. That's the only episode he ever saw. So here's my thing. Here's my thing. I have a hard time investing in shows because what happens is either they get canceled or they disappoint you in the end, right? That's my issue

with things i hate when you know something there's a cliffhanger at the end of the season and then the show gets canceled and you don't get to finish you know and then surely there's a series what's a series that you watched like that you just loved all of it the clone wars it's got to be star wars it It's only Star Wars for Donald. Star Wars, yeah. Yeah. I mean, at least he knows he likes. That, well, yeah.

You know, that was one where- Is there anything non-Star Wars? No. No. Like, you know, Bill Lawrence used to say it all the time, and it's so true. You tell people when people meet you and they say say i'm such a huge fan of your show nine out of the ten times they've only seen it like a handful of times you know what i mean and haven't seen it more than that um and so uh i i fall in that category if i were to see brian

and aaron i would be like i'm such a, I was such a huge fan of breaking bad. I only saw the final episode. No, you wouldn't tell him. You wouldn't, I wouldn't let you admit that. I already told him it's all over the air. Now there's somebody that's going to come back to him and say that shit now.

But you know what I mean? Like, like I watch every now and then I'll check out a CW show, right? Like I love superhero movies, right? So I'll check out the flash or I'll check out movies, right? So I'll check out The Flash, or I'll check out Legends of Tomorrow, or I'll check out, you know, Arrow. And I've only seen,

like, you know, out of all of them, I've seen maybe, you know, 30 of them total, like, of all of the shows total. But when I see the actors and stuff in it, I genuinely do love what I have seen. So I'll be like, I'm such a fan of your show, even though I've only seen each show. So the message for all those actors is that Donald is totally bullshitting you. And he's telling the honest to goodness truth.

I like super girl. I have seen that a few times. Do you like it? What about Smallville? What about Smallville? I only saw that show a couple of times also, and I liked... Dark Angel. Which one was Dark Angel?

It was the one with Jessica Alba. I didn't watch that one. I didn't watch... I never checked that one out. Wait, you also used... Didn't you used to watch... There was a sci-fi show you used to watch. Oh, Battlestar Galactica. I take it back. If you-fi show you used to watch. Oh, Battlestar Galactica.

I take it back. If you do Battlestar, yeah, you should do Battlestar Galactica. Yeah! I never watched Battlestar Galactica. There we go. Thank you, Zach. Thank you. I remember, I remember, I got into a huge-

I was searching my brain for you. I was like, I know there was one sci-fi show you actually watched It wasn't a fucking Star Wars animated cartoon. I remember I got into an argument with my girlfriend at the time because I thought she taped over my Battlestar Galactica episode. I remember... That's tough.

Did you watch that one, Shay? I did not watch Battlestar Galactica. Did you guys, Dylan, Cam, did you watch Battlestar Galactica? Yeah, I seen it as well do you guys like it yeah uh i'm not super big in like sci-fi but that one i was pretty i think as far as uh like sci-fi shows that people have liked that's one of those ones everyone says was canceled too soon and people katie sackoff is uh she's a g if you ask me. She's one of those action heroes

that is a good, she's straight up as a true action star who deserves the opportunity to carry some project. They say she's going to be in The Mandalorian this upcoming season as Bo-Katan, which would be really fucking dope.

My grandmother used to live in Bo-Katan. Right. These characters all travel from Clone Wars. Does it take place at an old Jewish community center in Florida? You can eat an ass. Joelle, do you watch Battlestar Galactica? Because you like the sci-fi

stuff. Yeah, I came very late to Battlestar Galactica, so I'm currently in the middle of season one but really loving it it's amazing it's excellent it's good writing if you're a star trek and or star wars fan you'll probably find something you like in battle star galactica all right um so guys um to finish that question off do you have a show that that like you would love shay to one day do a book about? We're going to ask both of you. Each individual.

Yeah. I'll let you go first. Okay. I would love Breaking Bad, personally. Breaking Bad would be really sick. I think it's a really, really good show. Breaking Bad's great. Yeah, that would probably be my top choice.

Maybe Parks and Rec would kind of be a more fun one, more lighthearted, but I would probably say Breaking Bad would be a really cool one. All right. How about you? I've always been a huge fan of the show Dexter. I'd love to see you do that. In my opinion,

it's one of the best shows, start and then kind of drop off right at the finish, where I think Breaking Bad is better as a series, but I think Dexter is better. Yeah, I think Dexter might kind of fall in line with Donald of kind of a slight disappointment at the very end. Yeah, I was going to say that's another show where I only watched

the last episode, and I was like, what the fuck is this? This is the strangest tradition I've ever heard of. No, it's not. I don't know anybody else. That's bullshit. Shay, did you ever see When Harry Met Sally? That's a totally different example. Do you remember when Billy Crystal, when she's asking, when he tells her how dark he is and he's like, I read the end of the book before I start.

That's me with movies. That's me with television shows. That's so strange. But that's me with television shows that everybody's like, you should watch this. You know what show you would like you would like this show and i'll but you miss you miss like the whole build-up of everything like you can't okay we were talking about nicole sullivan's character yeah yes and the in the season eight finale when jd is doing the walk down the hallway and she pops up out of the out of the thing and she's there you are. And you get so fucking excited.

There's like a real jolt of joy in your body when you see that. If you haven't watched all the other episodes, you don't understand what that is. You think this is just a person who happens to be out of the house. You can't just watch the final episode. So then that makes me ask, is the final episode of Scrubs a good episode? It's a great episode. It's fantastic. Because the Breaking Bad finale is a good episode. It's a great episode. It's the new Oculus episode of the show. Fantastic. Because the Breaking Bad

finale is a fucking movie. All I needed to know was that this dude, Walter White, was this freaking I'm not going to let this continue. I'm going to have an intervention.

Why? Why? Why? Because you will get so, I mean, let's just take Breaking Bad because I feel like it's a show that everyone listening to this probably loved and watched.

Right, but that last episode is a movie. It's a fucking movie. It's a movie of you good. It's just like the 26th hour with Edward Norton where he finally, where he's aboard, I forget the name of the damn movie. I forget how many hours. There was a lot of them. There's a lot of them, but he fucking, he's a drug dealer who goes to jail. You don't need to know everything that goes on before the movie starts.

You're invested the minute he gets caught out there after, you know what I mean, and is going to jail. And it's the end of the story. It's the end of his run. But you can watch that movie and understand all of the parts by the time you get to the end. But you can watch that movie and understand all of the parts by the time you get to the end. If you only watch the finale of Breaking Bad, like you kind of you don't understand why it's so important that he saves Jesse in that moment. You're like, I don't get it. Why did he save this one kid and kill everybody else?

I don't understand why he had to walk through the meth lab the last time. I don't understand why they play this particular. Like you're missing so much of this thing that you got to watch the rest. You got to watch it. All right. Wait, let's ask. Let's ask the guys if they have another question the rest of the episode. You got to watch it. All right, wait, let's ask the guys if they have another question. Go ahead, guys.

Do you have another one? So you guys had mentioned earlier in the podcast series that you guys used to be roommates, right? Yes. We were roommates for a year. I mean, for a half of it,

for a summer. For a summer. So maybe I'm kind of stirring the pot a little bit here, but what was some of your biggest pet peeves living with each other?

So I got to the loft first, we rented this loft for the summer And the loft, it was enormous It was like your dream loft In terms of size, but it wasn't really That set up in terms of like two nice bedrooms Two nice bathrooms So I claimed the nice bedroom Because, you know, I got there first, right?

That's what you do Then I gave Donald what was technically the second bedroom, but it had a washer and dryer in it. And he goes, who do you think I am, Benson? And you guys are young. You don't know. But Benson was a show where – how do you explain Benson? I don't know.

Benson was a show. Robert Guillaume played Benson. And he was the assistant to – He worked for the mayor. He was an assistant to the mayor. He was saying pretty much like, who do you think I work for? And Benson was the one that pretty much ran the country. Because the mayor was this bumbling.

Well, he wasn't a bumbling mayor. But Benson was the one that handled everything. He handled the house. He handled everything. everything right he handled the house he handled everything uh and for some reason uh to me that shit was kind of fucked up that you can see like benson should be the fucking mayor benson should have been the mayor and the mayor should not have been the mayor but that's not why i was pissed off i was pissed off because it was like yo you're gonna put me in the fucking room with the washer and dryer of all the room look it was either that or like a law it was like a there was a cot right outside of his room and i was like i'll take the cot yeah i'll

take the fucking cot fuck yeah and then i didn't really have a door so we we were very open with each other that summer we were very very open with each other we touched tips no i'm just kidding no no no we didn't we did docked. We did dock. Didn't we dock? We never docked. We never docked. Okay. That was the most of the dream. This is all going to get this.

Oh, boy. No, we're not cutting this out. Listen, this is what always happens on this show. We say something like that, and then Donna goes, we're cutting this out. And then we almost never cut it out. We used to play ping pong in our boxes. In our underwear. We had a lot of great times.

I remember... I think the writer, Amy Tan. Is that a famous writer, Joel? Okay. As I understand it, the writer, Amy Tan, lived beneath us. And she was not happy that two guys partying all summer were in the loft above her. Yeah. She wrote us a letter.

We would get notes like, Amy Tan is furious. You guys need to fucking quiet down. She would write notes like, do you guys have fucking elephants upstairs in your apartment? Yeah. Because the banging, I can only imagine,

she would write some pretty unique notes though. She was a writer. Well, she was a good writer. They were beautifully written. She wrote the Joy Luck Club. Holy shit, we were fucking with the lady who wrote the Joy Luck Club. We weren't fucking with her.

We were just having fun. And I remember her very well-worded angry letters. Yeah. I wish you still had them. Yeah, she pulled out the thesaurus for some of those. I know, we could probably sell them on eBay. Those are worth something. Amy Tan's angry letters to Donald and I.

All right. We got to keep going. Thank you guys for coming on. Donald, say thank you. Hey, thank you guys. Yeah, appreciate it. What is that on your shirt? It says Summer League.

Yeah, Vegas, Summer League. So Shea probably knows about Summer League. NBA. Yeah, basketball. Zach, you probably don't know Summer League. Yeah. NBA, yeah, basketball. Zach, you probably don't know too much about it. No, but Donald does. Donald does. Are you excited? But no, we're big Bucs fans.

Bucs fans. Okay, right on. How long do you think you can hold Antetokounmpo there for? He's resigning. Yeah. You heard it here. He's resigning. I heard it.

Yeah. You believe so? He's not coming to San Antonio, Chef. I mean, look, here's the thing. Do they come out of the... I mean, there is no East this year or West for this bubble round that they're talking about at Disney, right? It's just a bunch of teams thrown into a pot?

No, I think they are still doing the East-West. It's something weird, though. It's kind of weird how they have it set up. It would be nice if they just threw teams into a pot so you could get first rounds with Houston versus Milwaukee or Houston versus Washington.

That'd be really cool. What's his name again? I want to try and use it. Giannis Antetokounmpo. Giannis Antetokounmpo. Giannis Antetokounmpo. Giannis Antetokounmpo. Antetokounmpo Yanis Antetokounmpo Antetokounmpo Yes

Or Antetokounmpo Or Antetokounmpo Antetokounmpo Well I gotta tell you He's a really great player And what I like about him Is he's always in the paint That's actually true

That's actually true And he reminds me of Rodman Cause he's always getting those rebounds. Wow. Once again. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad.

Not bad, Zach. Not bad at all. Speaking of basketball, kind of a quick little shared story. I think back to the episode where I don't think it was a fan. It was like a flashback to where you guys got to go see Michael Jordan. We're going to see Michael Jordan. We're going to see Michael Jordan. We're going to see Michael Jordan. When we were in high school, I won tickets to a Bucs-Lakers game.

And shout out, rest in peace, Kobe Bryant. But we got to go see Kobe Bryant play. And we rolled up and that's what we were doing. Don't see Kobe Bryant. And I take it unlike JD and Turk. You guys I take it. I take it. Unlike, unlike JD and Turk. You guys remember the tickets.

I take it. Right. Isn't that, is that like in scrubs Lord down? Is that how you began to lose your hair? You first started pulling it out. I don't know how I began to lose. I don't know how Turk started to lose his hair.

That was the first moment. That's one of the first moments. All right, guys. Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. Appreciate you. Hey, if you're ever in Wisconsin, come play tennis with us, Zach. We're tennis coaches, too.

Oh, really? Oh, right on. Whatever it is. I love it. I love it. I'll find you guys. All right. Take care.

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Masi is back in this episode. Masi Oka, yeah. Which is great. He went on to become a time-traveling hero. That was another show I watched, Shea Heroes. I watched that all the way through. Yeah. By the way, I had goosebumps multiple times in this episode.

The first was 9.56 when they're playing pool in the bar, and Ben's hand is still bleeding and the look cox gives to jd it really moved me because for the first and this might have been because i was reading your essays and now i was all emotional uh shay but i went my first reaction was cox can't hide the fact that he respects jd as a doctor to know that he'll know what that could mean yeah immediately do you know what i mean yeah it was like you know cox is always fronting like oh your girl's name and jd you suck and but obviously under undercurrent trying to build him up but that was a moment

of shock where he looked to it as a peer as a peer and went yeah you know what that could mean yeah that's like it so you see you see him do it in the in the pilot it's like the first time That's like it. So you see him do it in the pilot. It was like the first time he expresses some sort of, not admiration, but like, I'm going to grab ahold of you and take care of you. And then this time was the first time when he doesn't say anything.

There's no words at all. He just looks and he knows and JD knows. And the only person who doesn't know in that moment is Ben. And he's like, oh, it's about to get bad. I was really struck by the respect that he, I mean, obviously in his mind wasn't, I'm going to now respect this person. It was just, he didn't have a moment to put on his airs, if you will. He didn't have a moment to put on his front.

He just had an instant reaction to a fellow doctor and went, oh, fuck, you know what this could mean. It's totally different than when you see him at the very beginning of the next episode when he walks into the room and jd and and jordan and ben are in there and jd is doing the thing about like we you know you don't need a we don't need a resident we need a like a hero and then he comes walking in and now now he's prepared for the situation and doing the whole thing but yeah you're exactly right in that moment and then um and the second time uh first of all i just want to say at 1005 there was a really cool transition moment that larry trilling did from i love how they went from the bar right to the exam room that was cool also and then before we before we move forward with that

you know he says i've never asked you out for a beer before but he had asked you out for a beer before and that was when he lost his shit and tore up the uh lab that day uh and he was having his worst day and you got caught up in it he does invite you out for a beer you guys go to a bar and you drink beer and you drink uh together actually so right that was very weird that he was like you know i've never asked you i maybe he blocked it out whatever i'm just you know you're just trying to show off that you're like scrubs wiki guy um well by the way a lot of laughter on on my insta comments about scrubs wiki guide they were like someone was like that guy pulled a total dorian uh um and people were just laughing about how uh but no offense trevor we we we got you now you're That guy pulled a total Dorian.

And people were just laughing about how – but no offense, Trevor. We got you now. You're going to be our Scrubs Wiki guy. Right, Donald? I mean, he doesn't necessarily want to be. No, but I kind of like that about his character. No, but I kind of like that about his character in the show. He's like a reluctant – he's like a reluctant – he's a reluctant – So, yeah, that's what you do.

Think of it as like the hero's journey. Yeah. In the beginning, you don't really want to do it. Yeah. Once you get on board, you're off to a adventure that, adventure of a lifetime.

Yeah, Trevor, by the time we do 182 episodes, you'll be happy that you came along on the journey. And the other moment, the other moment we got goosebumps, as I said earlier, that's the,

that Shay writes about in his essay was when JD reads the chart and sees that Ben has leukemia and Carla comes up and she says, are you okay? And I just say no. And it was just really, really powerful because it was one of those moments that Shay's talking about where there had just been a silly moment of the fantasy of what happens in that blood test guy's office

and Doug being Doug, and then all of a sudden, bam, we just drop in with, hey, this guy we just made you fall in love with, he's got leukemia. She's so good in every single moment. She has this this like a like her player efficiency rating has got to be fucking outrageous yeah which is like you know i'm saying yeah she's if you were playing if you were playing uh uh nba 2k she's like 96 97 like she's like just

straight up like she's glitch mode man judy fucking three words every time yeah i think that she is an incredible actress and in the show she was the perfect tool to use for moments like this because she was the heart you know she was the heart of she was the conscience and the heart for everybody at least the first two seasons i think as the show went on she you know she became as much of a character as we you know as all of us did but in the first two seasons she was definitely the grounding factor to all of you know what i mean to everything so then we go into this fantasy that we don't know is a fantasy to the very end of the show um and all of this happens in j's imagination, which, which again, we talked about it early in this podcast, but you know, that totally foreshadows the, the giant mislead we do in season three with, with Johnny not knowing that, that, that Ben's gone.

So it's just really interesting that, that, that Bill not only introduced Ben for, for the long haul, but then mirrored that sort of wacky fantasy structure. So when you reached out and asked which episode I wanted to be on, like if I wanted to be on a thing, that was the whole reason that I ended up picking this one. Because I think this episode, and season one especially, is like the one episode where we see the most amount of tricks that scrubs is able to pull off that maybe a lot of shows aren't so so if we have if we like put a list together you have that great scene where elliot makes herself cry to get the yeah to get

the guy to redo the thing right so this is like her being very silly in the situation but to do that as an actor i imagine is incredibly tricky yeah just like pull that out of you so you have her doing that you have carla with jd in the hallway and carla's doing her quick missile strike right here where she's just like gonna pump a scene full of emotion you have the thing where they're playing with timelines which they they use to even greater effect later on you have the gag with we we find out the the janitors and like the background of all of these pictures that shit had me rolling there's so much we have we have dr cox using his serious voice he doesn't do it very often but when

he does it you feel it when he gives he tells jd like your only job today is to get these test results back like you'd love to see him drop everything and do that. You have Turk sticking up for J.D. You have Brendan Fraser swooping in and being just the perfect cameo character where you have to be able to tell a joke, but you also have to be able to stick this landing. There's just so much stuff going on

in this one episode. It's perfect. By the way, Shay, you just made me think of something else, which was Sarah's bit, which she really did live on camera obviously which which actors often have to do and can't always do but sarah does literally live on camera here is get themselves in a headspace where they can produce tears and that moment um really encapsulates exactly what you're talking about in Scrubs being able to dance between comedy and drama. Because what Sarah's doing is very funny.

But if you look at the words she's saying to get herself to cry. It's serious stuff. It's very serious. And it's the painful stuff from her life and trying to impress her father and whatever she was saying. But it was like happening simultaneously is this thing you're laughing at. But what the woman is saying is so sad. Do you know what I mean? And then it ends with her with tears streaming down her face.

It was a really great acting moment for Sarah. She's amazing. What about Chop Chop Nancy? Rapido! Rapido! I remember that, dude. I remember that day. I remember, I think that was one of the first times

where I was having a hard time with lines. I remember that day. I remember, I think that was one of the first times where I was having a hard time with lines. I remember that day. Really? Your line was chop, chop, Nancy. No, I had the whole thing where it was like, you're going to go back there and you're going to do this and blah, blah, blah. I think that was one of the first times where I was like, I didn't study this. Oh, shit. Leonard makes an appearance here.

Without a hook arm, though. Without a hook on his hand So what is the story? I read on Scrubs Wiki that the guy wrote Perhaps this episode is before His ice machine accident I think it is It must be

I didn't remember that Leonard had lost his arm In an ice machine accident, did you? I did not either I love that on Scrubs Wiki It's like, this may have occurred Before Leonard an ice machine accident. Did you? I did not either. No, but I love that. I love that on Scrubs Wiki it's like, this may have occurred before Leonard's ice machine accident. Well, it didn't have to because he had a hand.

So for those of you who don't remember, that's Randall Winston, our line producer, who not only played Death, but also played Leonard. This is his first appearance in his wig. And the afro isn't that big yet either. It's like kind of. He was keeping his fro tighter, right?

But he does not yet have a hook hand. This might be, I believe, the only appearance of Leonard without his hook hand. So the ice machine. But then again, sorry, I'm going all over the place, but this was a fantasy. So maybe in JD's weird daydream, Leonard didn't have a hook yet. Right. He didn't recognize Leonard had a hook yet. He hadn't been paying enough attention.

I hadn't noticed that Leonard had a hook yet. So when I had a fantasy, Shay, are you following this? That seems like something you would notice, though. I just want to throw that out there. You've probably noticed that. So it took me a moment because I've forgotten. Well, I want to just mention in 1836, again, Brendan took all those pictures and they're pretty great pictures.

I believe Krista still saved a bunch of them. And and then J.D. Yeah. So then I was kind of surprised by that reveal. You know, again, I've't watched these in 20 years. I thought it was cool to see this. You know, and Bill was smart. Directorially and writing-wise, you needed something very specific to make the audience go, this is the exact same moment.

You need a device because the audience is going to essentially track it. Keep in mind, when people were watching these, they had commercial breaks in and everything. So you need the audience to make sure they track that whole run. And he came up with the device of the exact playing cards on their foreheads right but here's the thing he also made it seem like it was a curveball that's you know not only did it curve but the shit was a change up too you know what i mean like because you don't think that the whole thing is a daydream. You think just when he gets the paper the second time and he meets Brendan Fraser outside, you think that's just the fantasy. I'm going to go out there and, hey, man, it's just leukemia. It's not leukemia. You're fine.

I was wrong. I was wrong. And, you know, the circle comes around and it's got this weird. Yeah. Yeah. You think, okay, so this part's the fantasy. And I expected you to be at the door. Right.

Of the exit telling him, no, dude, here's what I think you need to, you need to come back inside actually. And it doesn't even do that. It jumps all the way back to the moment. And so I, it was like a, it was like a it was like a not a it wasn't just one pump fake it was like he was under the rim giving you the dream shake you know what i mean it was like and then you know what i mean you know it's funny about uh that fantasy you know it's the the writing is such that it's supposed to be oh ben says he doesn't like posed pictures

you'll know it's a fantasy because here we are taking a posed picture. But what tipped it off even more for me was that Kelso's happily getting in a picture with everyone. And I was like, Kelso would never want to be with these fucking people. Yeah, I think that's it, guys. I think we did the whole episode.

Yeah, we did. Che, did you have fun? Are you glad you did this? I'm really glad. This was like a, you know, part of me is like these are two guys who I've been watching for so long I'm kind of nervous to meet them I don't really like to meet the people who I admire

because what if it turns out they're dicks so I had that in my head but now y'all are cool you're better than I was will you come back on yeah will you come back on yeah I'll. Yeah, will you come back on? Yeah, I'll come back on later on after y'all do all of the other stuff for sure. Because I have a feeling what's going to happen on all of our social media is everyone's going to say,

Shay was the best guest. You need to have Shay back all the time. Hashtag caramel bear. Right. Hashtag caramel bear. Shout out to Efren Ramirez. Efren, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my guy.

Whatever happened to Caramel Bear? We don't know. We went into the party, and he got jumped or something like that. Yeah. He definitely died on the show. In real life, he's still working, but on the show, he was out of here. Well, you know he has a twin brother, right? Yeah, identical, identical.

Yeah, and I remember one night we were out, and his twin brother, everybody thought his twin brother was him. And they were coming up to him going, Pedro, Pedro. And as I recall, the twin brother was rolling with it. Rolling with it and loving it. And he was like, don't tell anybody. I was like, I'm not going to say shit, dude. I thought you were the other one.

That's funny. Oh, I have people telling me that I always say that's funny like Mandy Moore's character does on the show, and then I need to stop saying that, Donald. I had someone write that to me. You guys did date. Maybe that rubbed off on you.

Well, I don't know if that's the case. All right, guys. Dan, cut that out. I want to know you can leave it. Listen, Shay's handle on Twitter at Shay Serrano, S-H-E-A-S-E-R-R-A-N-O. Follow him on there. He is one of the most popular fellows on Twitter. He does a lot of amazing.

Just talk for a second, Shea, before we go about this cool thing you do with the FOH Army. Tell people what that is. Shea will have like drives for people that need help. He'll be like, all right, whose bills are we paying this week? And then he'll like just Venmo them cash.

So just talk about that for a second. Yeah, that's like the silly little sort of guerrilla philanthropy thing we started a couple of years ago where it was like after we had enough people following me on twitter we were all grouped up together if we got 100 200 300 000 people following we could raise a lot of money real fast if everybody sends like a dollar or two dollars or whatever and so you know we started doing that and then yeah when the coronavirus stuff hit when the black lives matter movement started up um after the george floyd's

murder we're like you know we're gonna try to help out in what any situation we can so like people will send stuff to me and we're like all right cool we're gonna fund this we're gonna send some money out so yeah i think like since march 12 it's been you know 250 240 000 of just like straight cash we've given two places for people and do people give you i think just from following you do some people who can afford it give you like large sums and hey say hey shay distribute this every once in a while somebody will hit me up like in my dms and be like hey i don't want you to like say where this came from but like here's five thousand. Can you pay bills for people until this is gone? That happens every once in a while.

Mostly, though, it's like we're all going to chip in $5, $10 and see what happens. That's really awesome, man. That's amazing. And he's so sweet about it. People will write him things like, oh, thank you so much, Shay. I'm having trouble with my bills. And he's like, fuck that noise.

And he'll send them fucking money. It's awesome. Yeah. Awesome. All right, everybody everybody that's the episode i want to thank uh we want to thank on behalf of my co-host and i uh shay because shay you were an awesome guest right donald thank you amazing guest well dude this was this was you know uh always you you never know how uh your guests are gonna be and we you you're somebody who wasn't on the show uh but you

fit in so well man and your insight on our show i'm dead serious man your insight on our show is is very awesome man like uh i i i appreciate you 100 yeah and since um and since the old caramel bear died uh i think you can be our new caramelamel Bear. And I just hope that my persona on this podcast has made Laramie like me a little bit more. I know that it was J.D. she didn't love, but maybe she'll like Zach Braff. She loved Garden State, so you're good. All right, good. Zach Braff is fine. J.D. is questionable.

Everybody loves that movie, Zach. Yeah, they do. You should have been in it. Everybody loves that movie, Zach. Yeah, they do. You should have been in it. Alright, listen, everybody. Go to go to Donald underscore Azon. I'm trying to get all of Zach's

followers. Y'all need to come over to the dark side. Alright, come over to... That's one way to put it. Join me, and together we will build this institution. And we will like weird memes. Listen, follow- With our combined strength.

Okay. We can end this conflict and bring order to the galaxy. All right. That's his audition monologue. Listen, check out Shay's book, sacredheartgang.com. Please follow Donald on Instagram. I'm really getting sick of it.

Wait, no, just hold on. Let's be clear. Not just the people who are listening. Zach Braff's followers. Okay. Follow Donald Faison. My followers are tired of being accosted by you. And write, Joelle, your questions at scrubsiheart at gmail.com. And please subscribe and rate the podcast,

because I recently was told that that's a real thing. That's good for our exposure if you give us five stars. I'm like the Uber driver who's like, five stars, five stars? So give us five stars. Right, Donald? Yeah, please give us five stars. All right. And yeah please give us five stars all right and tell your friends five stars are better tell your friends we are hoping to one day when the world opens up tour this show and um we'll come to will you will you come when we come to houston shay are you still in houston i'm in san antonio now but if y'all make it to

texas i'll show up all right wait hold on now i heard something about tim duncan and that being your favorite player of all time. Is this true? Absolutely. Why Tim Duncan? Why? Before we go, this doesn't even have to be on a podcast, Zach. I just need to know this because Tim is one of my favorite players too.

He's not my favorite player, but why Tim Duncan? Okay, let me tell you. There's a very personal connection that tim duncan has with san antonio and that he showed up and all of a sudden a city that had an inferiority complex you know we're not as as hip as austin we're not as cool as as as houston or whatever they beat us in the playoffs blah blah blah he shows up and all of a sudden we have the guy on our team that everybody's afraid of and he's going to war and he's not backing down you got to fucking kill this guy in the playoffs if you want to beat him he shows up

he delivers five championships for us all of a sudden we have that we i think he's the fifth or sixth greatest basketball player of all time we have him on our team he he allows you in your chest to feel like a winner, to feel like a champion. You know how it feels when the team that you love wins a thing and you feel like you're a part of it? It's like Jeter to New York, man. Exactly. I know exactly what you mean, yes.

That's exactly the case. Or Cole Wilkinson in the original cast of Les Mis. Absolutely. That's what Tim Duncan did, so I love him forever for that. I hear you, man. I feel like he had a lot of really good, if it was the Justice League, he had a lot of good supporting characters. He's Superman.

He definitely had a Batman, and it switched off between Ginobili and Tony Parker. Those guys were great, but those were not players you could take and put on other teams, and they'd be like a thing. Well, Ginobili, maybe Ginobili. Ginobili, maybe. Maybe. Maybe Tony in his younger years. Anyway. Tony not as Well, Ginobili, maybe Ginobili. Ginobili, maybe. Maybe Tony in his younger years.

Anyway. Tony, not as much as Ginobili, though. Shut up, man. And when he got there, he also had the Admiral David Robinson. He did have Big Dave. He did have Big Dave. But Dave only got one.

He got five. Yeah, yeah. No, Dave got two. Dave got two. None of them are as good as Mike Jeminski. All right, we got to go. We love you. Thank you, Shay.

I hope we can be real friends in real life. I think you and Donald might hit it off really well. I think so, too. He's like, he was a dick when I first met him. That's what I got out of the little, that's what I got out of the thing. No, you were cool. You were super cool.

You were super cool. No, you were on your phone a lot. The one thing about the SAI guy was like down sitting between two fans and he's on his phone like, talk to your fan, dick. Maybe this is why people don't follow you on Instagram.

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